"Bravx, Taylora!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look man, oh I see you? Why why look over there?
How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, well, Mike, my girl
is a little cold, not on even a little cold,
not even a little. But that's okay, it's actually not okay,

(00:21):
Oh my god. Can we just start with and I
don't think so, honey. This isn't my official revolution on
the pod? Okay, do you wanta time me? Yes? Okay,
But the seconds, in the seconds into the pod, Bowen
has to do and we don't know if it is
is I don't know, but it might be in it
might be and it might be a big day for
I don't think so Honey's. So basically, Bowen Yang is

(00:44):
maybe one of many. I don't think it's Honey's on
this episode. Time starts now. I don't fucking think so Honey.
My fucking landlord, I don't know who they are because
I only communicate through the fucking broker who showed me
this place. I love my apartment, but the heat does
not work, has not worked for weeks. The air conditioning
did not work for most of the fucking summer. I

(01:06):
cannot live in these conditions. This is illegal. I haven't
paid rent this month because I'm withholding it until they
fix this. I don't know, I'm just freezing. I'm in
a terrible mood, like this is just unbearable, and I
don't know, like for anyone else who has, like who's
going through some like heating issues right now and as
we get into the colder months. I'm so sorry. I'm

(01:27):
with you. I stand in solidarity with you, sisters. Sisters,
I just think, God, this really can funk up your
whole day, right if you are not if your feet
are cold, well guess what your heart will be too.
Really chills you to the damn marrow, to the hearts,
to the cardiac muscle. Good luck with your peristalsis, honey,

(01:47):
And that's one minute. Loving you was more like living
here is cold. Here as a cold. That's what I'm saying, honey,
cocoa cold CoA co called or I'm looking at my
and here I am sort of card again. I wore

(02:08):
to I thought for a second like maybe you would
just pop it on, but of course you've already iconically
worn't it this week? Girl? I left it at work
along with the vinyls that she signed to both of us.
I have to tell you, girl, so a d and
Bowen texted me a picture of a signed vinyl from

(02:29):
Taylor and it says, to Matt, exclamation point love. It
looks like the words she spelled as like Taylor. It
looks like she spelled Taylor. And I was like, does
she know? Well? I can now confirm to the reader
that as I was walking down the tunnel too good
nights with Taylor, I wore a wonderful CDLP satin like

(02:52):
red wine colored pajama shirt, and I wore I wore
the red Taylor Swift scarf that is not part of
her merch in this Taylor's version cycle. She was like, oh,
that's cute. Ha ha ha. I just sang all too well.
I really think she because she is because Taylor was
in red, has been in red mode this entire weekend

(03:12):
by proxy, so have we all. And it has been
quite fun. Do you not feel like it's twelve all
over again? I said to Miss tree Pain herself, I said,
and the best possible her publicist m M Trey Pain.
We love Ms Tree, I said, it feels like, in
the best way, we're in again. And I longed for
the days and I told her I didn't I haven't

(03:34):
I haven't. Really, I didn't. I never got to tell
this to Taylor, but I was like, that album is
my favorite because it came out right as I graduated college.
I was, you know, feeling happy, free, confused, and only
at the same time magical. Oh yeah, oh yeah. So
I think it was a kind of a shock when
I put on the Taylor Swift shirt with the card

(03:54):
again Folklore card again, and she was like, what is this?
Oh my god, this is so disgusting. If me, I'm
just you had to have this moment with her, because
then we would never would have known. She would have known.
But here's how I phrased it here. I was thinking
someone must have told her, well, yeah, as like, has
someone explained to you what Taylor Swift is yet? Oh

(04:17):
my god? She was like, no, what is that? I
was like, and then like Jenna Rosatano or perfect stage
manager calls us up to screams out us guys, let's
go on stage. So we're walking. I was like, it's
too dumb, I'll explain to you later. She was like okay,
and I was like, no, I'll explain to you. She's like, yeah,
explain it to me now, I said, Taylor, I was like,
Taylor Swift is this personality, is this persona, and Taylor

(04:41):
is the songwriter strumming on the guitar. Taylor is the
girl who's stomping down the runway on tour. And she
throws her head back and laughs and says, that is
so funny and so stupid. Yeah, we won readers, we
won the way the readers and Paul wass this and
the swift E readers and swift a publics this one.

(05:03):
She threw her head back, laughing like a little kid.
Oh my god. I think it's strange that she thinks
we're funny because she does. And stupid too, stupid too,
and she's right and she's right, and you know, like,
I mean, what a wonderful thing, what a wonderful what
a wonderful moment. I I basically went up to Lauren

(05:25):
this week on Saturday before dress rehearsal, just to thank him.
I was just like, hey, Lauren, like, thanks so much.
I think I will say this. There was a there
was an opportunity for me to do something, to do
something with her on weekend up date. It didn't work out.
It was completely fine. I was not crushed by it
at all I was thrilled at the prospect of it,

(05:46):
but Lauren was like, oh, it would be fun for
Taylor and Bowen to go out there together. Blah blah
blah blah blah. It didn't transpire. She had a very
busy week. I was sort of, to be honest, relieved.
I was like, because I would have just really worked
myself up into full many had it happened on a
week like this one. And so I basically went up
to Lauren's office. I was like, Hey, Lauren, I just
wanted to thank you for giving me that opportunity, for

(06:08):
like considering that to begin with, and for bringing her on,
and you know, she's one of my favorite musicians ever,
and I just wanted to thank you. And he was
like just very very sweet about it and me and
then Lauren and I had a nice moment. Oh and
then wait, I can share this, Yes, I can share this.
First thing I did. First, I knock on Lauren's door
and he goes, you want one of these cookies that
Taylor baked for me, and then like walks over to

(06:30):
a box gives me this pumpkin spice coconut delicious ginger cookie,
so so soft and gooey and um I ate it.
Shared a cookie with Lauren in his office, one of
that came out of Taylor Swift's own oven ate one
of his cookies. We had a lovely little chat. Then
we go downstairs to dress rehearsal. I watched all two,

(06:51):
all ten minute version live next to Miss Gail King herself. Wow,
who was who was in the building? She knew all
the new lyrics. She is a swifty, she's a swifty
And she and I turned to each other and said,
isn't it so great? Isn't such a great expansion of
this song that we all, we have all grown so

(07:11):
attached to. And then dress happened, and then air happened.
The same thing happened. Ryan Reynolds and Miss Blake Lively.
Director Blake, we're gonna get into that. We're gonna get
getting into that turned to me and said, you know
all the words already. The song has been out for
one day. You know all the new words. I said,
I know all the new words. They don't understand that.

(07:32):
They don't understand the deep swift nous, the embracing of
the Taylor and the Taylor and the realization that this
red re release, and specifically the all too well tim
and a version is what you said, which is it
is when Taylor meets Taylor at the Max, and that
is why it is to be celebrated. So yeah, we
got off book on day one, within hours, we got
a book day one hours. Sweetie Mama, Blakely Girl across

(07:58):
Sweet Lively Girl blasting across the ed Cot Bridge. Oh
my god. First of all, I just want to say
for anyone that doesn't, that's anyone that's always like, wow,
episodes completely devoted to Taylor. We are going to get
into other culture. But this it may not be the
episode for you, because this is truly Matt and Bowen
Taylor's version. Because this, this is what I'm sure everyone thinks. This,

(08:20):
The Swifties think this. We're not going to get a
moment like this again. No, it's a celebration. I do
believe that it is her best album. It is her
best well, I mean it is her best album in
this Taylor's version sort of you are allowed to have
a favorite. You are entitled. Red is, just like I said,
a very important album for me. The way that Taylor

(08:41):
Swift's music attaches to people, the way that people attached
to her music is very contingent on where each person
is at in their own lives. Well you, that is true.
That is true, and you actually sent me the Pitchfork
article today. And by the way pitch Pitchfork upgrades, it's
already very positive long review of Read to I believe
it's like an eight point five on pitch it's a

(09:03):
nine point now. Okay, so perfect, that's now on nine
point now. But it says something which I think is correct,
which is that Read when it was released was the
nexus of her musical career because it it actually sort
of it's the bridge. It's it's the bridge. It let
everyone know this is the maturation of this type of artist,
this like young singer songwriter coming into her own, but
it's also letting everyone know of her maximum pop ambitions.

(09:26):
And it is the bridge. It is from It truly
is the bridge from Taylor to Taylor. And that's just
the truth. And that's just this is why it's an
important album to discuss. I won't make any apologies to
the listener, to the reader. We are unapologetic. We will
talk about other culture this episode. I'm sure so much
plan yet so much has happened, current events are happening

(09:47):
as we speak, but as I will also say, I
will also say that Fearless Taylor's version and I'm sure
we'll feel this way when if she when if and
when she rerecords Taylor Swift the first album and speak now.
I was just listening to Enchanted. I was like, I
can't wait for the Taylor's version of this huge, huge
right now and Chanted and then you knew this Enchanted

(10:09):
exploded on TikTok and now it's like in the top
fifty extreme songs in the country. It's going to chart again,
and Chanton is huge right now. It's kind of getting
lost in the Red conversation. But in the days prior
to the Red re release, Enchanted was blowing up. It
increased like in like streaming because it got found on

(10:29):
TikTok and became like a meme on TikTok. It's why,
But continue what you were saying, because did you listen
to Fearless Taylor's version and think, oh wow, it's so
beautiful to hear her sing songs about being fifteen. Is
this thirty year old or you know, thirty something or
it's just like her putting these developed vocals onto these
songs she wrote, you know, thirteen years ago, Like there

(10:50):
is like that's like part of the layer, It's part
of the appeal to why you're listening to this. There
is some of that in Red for sure, but for Red,
it's like, oh, this is just confirming. It's it's just really, um,
I don't know, seeling this idea that this is an
incredible album, not that Fearless wasn't, but like there's just

(11:11):
there's less of that gap between, Like it just shows
you like she this was the bridge, this is this
is the artist that made her who she is, like
who she is, like how we know her today? You know? Yes,
I also think that you know and and I don't
know if she would agree with me, but this is
actually my take. And as I'm listening to the Red
re release and I'm enjoying it. Not that I didn't

(11:31):
enjoy the Fearless rerelease, I just thought it was like
really cute and fun and I'm happy we had it.
This is like powerful to me and like actually improved
the album. I think when she started this process of
re recording everything, it was about ownership absolutely, and it
was about getting back her Master's But now I think
maybe as she's doing it, she's actually discovering that it's

(11:52):
a way too sort of honor all these eras and
the fact that her fans grew so much, especially during
an album like Red, which was truly a transition. And
also the album is so deeply about growing up, and
it's so deeply about nostalgia, and it's also you know,

(12:12):
it's it's it's little pieces of her. It's almost like
in Red she was talking to herself in her past,
present and future in a way. And I do think
it's made me love the album so much more than
I ever did, because I think you didn't. You didn't
love it. It's not that I didn't. It's it's not

(12:33):
that I didn't love it. It was before my stand hood,
my standard, I will say, happened with and that's just
that's just them's the facts. But I will say that
I always did like Red. I guess I was just
at the time Red came out, maybe not developed enough
to not see it as confusing. I was like, well,
this isn't her identity as an artist, Like what's this?

(12:55):
Like what's all this like synth and what's this? You know,
like weird employe Sisson. I knew we were troubled with
the dub step of it all. I was like, I
didn't get it. Now I do, because I think it's
exactly what I'm saying, which is it's that next, it's
that bridge, it's that Taylor becoming Taylor, but also taking
Taylor along with her, which I think at the time

(13:15):
sort of through me, and now I can really respect
and appreciate. And I also think it's the first time
it was a revolution for her lyrically. I mean, all
too well, it's just so perfect and we will talk
about it as as as its own piece because now
we've seen it like in the short film, etcetera. But
I just think in terms of Red, so many of

(13:37):
the themes of the album itself actually are um congruent
with the themes of her doing this process of rerecording,
and that's why I think it feels so special and singular,
and why I think we're all having so much fun
with it. I just I've never loved her as much
as I do this week. I'm her. I fucking love her.

(13:58):
I mean, I I just all I've listened to all
week until literally this afternoon when I watched the Adult
special last night, which I would love to touch on. Um.
I I was listening to the ten minute All Too Well,
and I'm like, this is exactly why I love her.
I mean, this is like such a fleshed out, specific
circumstance about what was a three month relationship, but that

(14:20):
really changed her and I don't I would love to
hear what it was like, Um, for you to see
the performance live here the song for the first time,
and then see the short film and let's let's talk
about All Too Well for a second. Um, All too Well.
I was listening to it at yeah twelve, I like, like,

(14:41):
there's there was some Twitter discussion about how like exactly
twelve ten am Eastern time. Everyone was tweeting their responses
being like, oh my god, like like literally like clockwork. Um.
But I just like probably guessed internally at some of
the lyrics, like, I mean, it's so impactful when used

(15:02):
to be a little kid with classes in a twin
size bit and then just when when she transitions into
the new lyrics. Yeah, it's so powerful when you hear
that old stuff you've always known and transition, it's like
it's like the continuing of a story. It's like a
mad lib that was in your heart and mind but
never but and then to find out that it actually exists,

(15:23):
you're like, oh my god, it's like that flashing out
that you didn't know you needed. But it's genius of
her not to modulate on like an extra verse and
a chorus in a verse in pre chorus, an extra bridge, whatever,
it like blending in the new with the old in
this perfect checkered way after the first like two minutes,
so good, just so just so great. And my favorite

(15:46):
new lyric um weirdly mine is um sipping on your
coffee like a late night show or something. I just
think that's such a that's such a great image, like
and then it just kind of it only further confirms
this idea that it's an actor, you know, like that
it's someone who like is a public figure in a
way that would warrant him going on a late night show.

(16:06):
I just I just think, just really great. I I
kind of do feel like the patriarchy key chain is anachronistic,
Like I don't think that was a thing back in
two thousand twelve, Like I don't think those were that
phrase was on key chains necessarily in a way that
would be recognizable in a song lyric of hers. She
definitely wasn't saying the A word back then. She was
probably maybe she was writing it. I don't maybe, but

(16:27):
she is fully fully within her artistic rights or whatever
to like throw that in in retrospect retroactively. Um, but
I just I don't know that was great. Yeah, I
would say. The only lyric that confuses me is the
patriarchy key chain. I probably could have done without that,
but I would say, and I was never going to
tell in jokes, but the punch line goes, I get older,

(16:50):
but my age is so her, and like I just
the whole thing that like waited for the door and
my my my dad watched or you charm my dad. Yes,
the late night host and then the door. It's supposed
to be fun turning twenty one. It's the whole thing
is such a I mean, if you didn't know it
was Jake before she and the Jill in Hall of
it all is fully confirmed in a way where it's

(17:12):
just like, Wow, this guy and this is this is
what I was saying as someone who was nineteen dated
and dated someone who was thirty. There's a reason why
some of those guys do that, and I would say
it's because they're not I would I would categorize them
as not emotionally mature. This is not to drag anyone
out there who's thirty one dating a nineteen year old,
but I would tell you to take a good hard

(17:33):
look at yourself and think about that person's experience, because
I also think that what she has realized now being
someone who is that age and she's his age now, Yes,
And I think that that actually puts a light bulb
on I know it certainly has for me about what
it means to date someone at that age and like

(17:53):
to put someone through the emotional ringer at that age.
And that's why I think she's digging in so hard
and not being so in cheek about this, you know
what I mean. Like, I think I think part of
her is, like if she didn't have like remnants of
the heartbreak, I think part of her is a little
piste off about the fact that, like, you know, she
got put through it by someone who had a lot

(18:13):
of years on her and a lot of power over her.
And I think it's kind of you know, vindictive. Taylor
is is something different now than it was then because
she is the most powerful person in the music industry.
But it's pretty sweet to see it happened because I
recognize what she went through, and I didn't go through
the same version of it, but I went through a
version of it, and I am smiling listening to it.

(18:34):
That's what I I kind of has there been discussion
around the line I'm a soldier returning half her weight?
Is that the way I feel like? I absolutely love
that amazing lyric. I feel like that's a reference to
Jake Joe and Hall film Brothers. You know, I think
that I think she certainly thought of it. Yeah, anyway,

(18:56):
that's just that's just my thought. But but but Toby
McGuire was was the brother who was the soldier in
that movie, and not Jake. Anyway, I think Toby and
Taylor s would have exists in the same I can't explain,
but I I get what you're saying, and I celebrate it.

(19:18):
What did you think of the short film? The short film,
lovely short film love Taylor in a red Wig feels
very bad blood. I don't know, it feels very feels
very much. This is the red era. I love it. Why, Yeah,
I love it? And her dp she she she she's
gone Na Yang, who's who is very talented. Clearly, I

(19:42):
think you were counting the number of times they yelled
fucking at each other and that one scene and it
is thirteen. I mean, like it all built to that,
because I was like, okay, this must be like a
dog whistle orneasterg like fucking like they're saying fucking a lot,
and it must be thirteen. It must be like building
up to that. It was very I said to Bowen,
and I say this in the best way, and this
is not a drag, Okay. That long scene of them

(20:03):
in the kitchen was very like when you let young
actors improvise and there's a lot of fuckings and that's
totally fine, and and we love and we love it
and you know, I'm obsessed. But she wrote it, and
so therefore I feel like there was some penmanship involved
in the dialogue. I feel as though there was some
scripting going on, but the actors were allowed to improvise,

(20:25):
which is how you get that many fuckings. And but
but I also know it's probably intentional. I don't I
don't dispute the intentionality of it all. I just I
think I saw her saying an interview that she watched
as the actors improvised, and it was like so dead
on and she away, I will say, I'm a little
bit on his side in that scene because she is
acting crazy, like and I'm like, this is say someone's nineteen,

(20:49):
no girl, because I'm like, this girl's acting crazy. And
also Joelan jared that we they came over last night
for Housewives, l O L the girl. We'll get to it.
But they also were like, yeah, I didn't want to
say anything, but I kind of think she's being crazy
in this scene. Well and that's but he's also a monster.
Part of me thinks that Taylor is matured enough now

(21:09):
where she would let like a potentially unflattering I'm sure
she thought absolutely. I'm sure miss Sadie Sank thought of that,
like just like like she's like, we're not no one's
like she like, the girl is not blameless necessarily in
this I mean she was. She was taking advantage of
absolutely difference. Yes, and you can't you It's like she

(21:32):
is nineteen years old. If you put someone in that
situation and she feels a certain way, she's going to
to act like she feels a certain way, and then
I think that that's another thing. I was looking at
it and I'm like, God, these two people shouldn't be together,
and that's what that's sort of I mean, And watching
the video the first time I was watching it, I'm like, yeah,
I mean, I feel like this is all pretty familiar,

(21:53):
like and then I realized, like, oh, it's familiar because
I recognize it deeply. And I think that you know
this story, You've known it for almost ten years. Yes,
And I think that it was actually really kind of great.
I think it's a really good, illustrative music video for
the song. And I I've been actually surprised. I didn't
think I would listen to the ten minute version exclusively

(22:16):
and not the five minute version. Not that I don't
love the original version, but the ten minute version is
now my version, that's for sure. I mean, let's just
acknowledge how high the hype was sort of stacked, you know,
like built it was like it was, the build up
to it was so nutt nutty, like of course, she
she knows that the Swifties are gonna go insane. What

(22:36):
she announces a ten minute all too well, are you
kidding me? And then we're all like going crazy in
the months before it comes out, and then it comes
out and we're all like, wow, this met Slash exceeded
the expectations crazy. And then I will say you get
that many fuckings if you're also like in a David

(22:59):
Manment way, absolutely yeah, I didn't. I did not. I
didn't take issue with the fuckings at all. That's what
people say when they're upset. It's actually really culture number
fifty fucking fucking people say when they're upset, And that's
that's going in the book. Here's what I'll say, Um,
before we move on from the Red Era, because there's

(23:21):
just so much What book are you talking about? I
don't even know. I don't know why I said that,
but before we move on from the Red Era, which
it's just been. It's been the joy of my life.
And I know that you had such a positive experience
with her as performance was amazing, but as an album
and even with the Vault tracks, I wonder if you
had to say three or four highlights, what are they?

(23:43):
What songs are you particularly enjoying in terms of the
update and what of the new Vault songs are you
absolutely like putting in the Cannon for favorite tailor songs.
I mean, I bet you think about me as I
think in the Cannon, especially with this wonderful visual Chefskiss.
We'll talk about that. I like Babe. I love that
there's a promises promises. It feels very three ill wise,

(24:08):
you know, saying promises quickly twice. Um, it's very free
and that. Yeah, and then um, Ronan is a song
that I didn't really didn't like. I was like, oh,
what a lovely, beautiful song, and I know I know
the story behind it, but just like I just just
sonically it sounds so gorgeous. And then um, come back
be here. Really it's something that never stuck that I

(24:29):
always like, kind of overlooked during the original release, and
now I'm just like, what a great song. Absolutely anyway,
and then obviously, um, nothing new. Phoebe sounds so good
and I think it's both such as it's such a
great match for both of them. Yeah, she was very
she was really smart to to to to collab with her. Yeah,
I think that that's it's such a great song, and

(24:50):
I think it's I can understand why she left it
off the first time, because she probably was afraid to
put it on because it's so honest, I mean, And
she did touch on feeling that way about feeling disposable
as a one in the music industry in the Miss
Americana documentary, and it's been interesting now to see confirmed
that this has been something that's been on her mind
and she has the lyric that's I've had too much
to drink to note. I know it's like, and I

(25:12):
know it's sad, this is what I think about, but
you know, there's a lot of pressure on her and
so you know, sometimes for her to feel that way
at twenty two to write the song as a twenty
two year old crazy dark has nothing to do with
her and has everything to do with society, you know whatever, obviously,
but like just just what a yeah, an honest song.

(25:33):
Nothing's really changed in the way that people feel about
women in the music industry. I guess for this to
still be resonant um but really good. Yeah, I would
say overall my opinions are I mean, message in a
bottle of such a fun, little snack of a pop song.
I understand why it didn't make it the first time,
because I think this was the first song that she

(25:54):
wrote with Max Martin and Shellback, and I think she
did improve upon it in terms of the upbeat songs
on the album that we're on the initial version, I
will say I think that in the re recordings, I
think the mid tempo and ballads fair better than the
up tempo songs. It just seems like maybe that was
what she was more interested and passionate about this time
with this album. I I do prefer the original. We

(26:17):
are never ever getting back together. The we Ese are
a little much for me on the new release, and
but there's these songs are still fun twenty two. I mean,
it's it's so much fun like and I have such
an appreciation for that as a pure pop song now,
Like it's just so genius, and that's my favorite up

(26:38):
tempo on the song, I think in terms of the
re release and the original now, but I mean, Red
sounds absolutely beautiful and you so get it, Like there's
State of Grace and then there's Red and the album
really begins Red into treacherous. Treacherous is one of her
top five. Treacherous is it is so fucking good and

(27:01):
listening to her sing it now gorgeous. I mean, I
think this this is one of the tracks that is
I think is better than on the original album. I
would agree. The production on it, the vocals on it
all huge improvements, improvements. I got to tell her I
sent you, I sent you a promo there was there
was a promo for SNL where I got to um,

(27:24):
just my me as Bowen as scripted just I just
like kind of drop a lyrical reference, and everyone's like, Bowen,
come on, and I'm like, what, I like her music,
and then she like pats me on the shoulder. And
then there was one quote unquote very sadie think of
me improvised the line where I said treacherous is the
sound of falling in love, and she was like really
kind of floored by it in the moment. Matt has

(27:45):
the footage, but I was but she was like, what treacherous.
That's so nice, And like I was like, I don't
think people tell her that enough. No, what am I saying?
I'm saying like maybe maybe that is like an underappreciated
song of hers that maybe she doesn't. I think it
is so beautiful. It is the bridge. Nothing safe is
worth the drive. And I will follow you, follow you

(28:08):
home to you head like trying to sleep list night
and I will get you, get you alone. And you
know what it's funny is it's so obviously about like
meeting and having that first attraction to Jake Jillan Hall,
and it applies to anyone. I mean when you know.
And there's a live performance where she says this one
of my favorite live performances she's ever done, is it
was like a red listening party with a bunch of girls. Yeah,

(28:31):
and she's got her iconic redit like liberal arts college
hair at the time, and she's like, this is when
you start to like somebody and you know it's gonna
annihilate you, but you do it anyway. And I was
just like, I mean, a h it's it's choosing to
live life so that you see what happens. And like

(28:51):
there's also in Treacherous, I mean literally there's so much
like danger imagery and it's just like you could tell
she felt so vulnerable, and that is what I love
about Taylor Swift is the willingness to be vulnerable. And
then you know later on you see in her life
when she felt like she really needed to put armor

(29:12):
on and literally we got reputation, you know, but there
were still little glimpses of vulnerability like she just has
she's got. She allows herself to go out and be
inspired so that she can create work that really, really
really hits. And Treacherous to me is it's just so boring.

(29:34):
It's it's so good, and she's also sounds horny as
hell on it too, and it's also about genuine attraction,
which I do love. Can you think of a crazier
opening lyric? Not crazier, but just like horny or opening lyric?
I should say, then put your lips close to mine?
As long as edging the Edgers one with that song

(29:56):
that Edger's actually one, it's actually a rule of culture
numbers the Edgers. Yeah, um, I would say, Yeah, so treacherous,
I would say, Ronan God did I cry, Begin again,
Begin again? Did what it needed to do on this

(30:19):
new re release and it honestly makes me feel so
hopeful every single time. Obviously holding down and state of
grace we stand. And I will close by saying that
the update of Girl at Home I am in total
support of. And this is how I know that, Yes,

(30:41):
it's the ownership that really matters. But I think she
might have made a more conscious effort to make it
sound the exact same if she never wanted the original
listen to. I think this process of re recording is
becoming something different for her in the beautiful, great way
and also an ingenious way as the capitalist that she
is and we know in that third generation banker's daughter Mama,

(31:03):
she says, I am a brand. I am rereleasing all
my albums as if they're bigger than ever, new things,
and I love it. Let us talk about and give
props to Miss Blake, Miss Blake before you before we
move on to the to the video of I Bet
You Think About Me. Just the lyrics, lyrics on Holy Ground,
I think really hit you, hit you hard again when

(31:25):
you really sit down and listen to it. I always
loved the song, but something about again this this this rerelease,
I'm like, whoa, and like just the concept, I mean,
don't you isn't this this concept that like it's so obvious,
but like if you walk by a place, it has
some like emotional romantic like energy, like like thing for

(31:45):
history to you so powerful and like the like she's
this bitch is fucking throwing biblical references in this fucking song,
Like I I mean, like whatever like whatever your thoughts
on Christianity are, like, I'm like, okay, is like fucking
quoting the Bible in this way that doesn't feel forced,
is just enough so that you understand that. She's like,

(32:06):
this is a place of biblical that's suffused with biblical
energy in the Bible of my life, right say that
it is sacred. And you know, this just recently happened
to me. I felt very red when when it's when
we shot Bonobos. It was the first time I had
come back to New York since before the pandemic, and
it was and I was walking to the city, specifically

(32:28):
the East village where we went to school, where I lived,
where I had so many you know, first kisses and
how many I cried on course street corners, and you
know places that I used to go have lunch and
meet up with friends are now Starbucks, and you know
times where I was working really hard at school, and
you know where I apartments that I moved into and

(32:50):
moved out of and met people. And it's just that
is a really powerful thing. And I think that a
song like that really speaks to that, and this whole
album really speaks to that, because you know what Bowen.
It's also really important for us because it was a
really fun transitional time in our lives. It was, you know,

(33:10):
and we were we were twenty two. We really were
happy for your confusing lily at the same time in
the best way, Darling. It was good never looking down
and right there where we stood was holy ground. Come on,
fuck you for that. That's girl good Billy Joel said,

(33:31):
beatles of her time and time. Patty Lapone said, one
of the best lyricists of our generation. And Patty his
close girlfriends with Stephen Sondheim close girlfriends close, that's actually
real culture Number six, Patty close girlfriends so stupid um

(33:56):
speaking of close girlfriends, Taylor's close girlfriend Blake Lively direct
video I Bet You Think About Me Again, one of
the stronger song from the Vault, which I loved. This
is one of her best music videos. No I said
to you, I said, wow, this is up there, Yes,
just like such. And honestly, what I thought about the

(34:17):
entire time watching it was this direction. Direction, and also
it's like, you know, we had Miles Teller in it, pedigree,
we had Lively behind the camera, really good style. I
thought she had a really good style. It's edited so well,
great vision. Taylor was obviously having a lot of fun

(34:37):
in it. Blake should direct more. Blake is a visuals person,
Like you know, she like picked the office out for
a simple favor. You know, she like fucking like was
Serena vander Woodson like the image, Like she like cultivated
that herself. Like she's incredible, an amazing actress, obviously star actress.

(35:02):
The first time I saw her, sisterhood directress directress and
also you know what sisterhood I'll never forget. I was like,
who is that? I was like, I need to know
a girl in the world everything, and then the world
noticed everything. I was just like thinking to myself, I
was like, how much fun Taylor is having? Like also
a lot going on in the video set piece wise,

(35:24):
like tar Angle. You know, this is a really really
good directorial effort. I say, Bravo, Bravo. I say maybe
her I would say brav x, I would I would
say maybe Taylor's best music video since Space. Yeah, let's

(35:47):
say that, and what not not. This is not the streams.
I acknowledge the problematic nature of it, but I do
think it's absolutely beautiful and I emotional every time I
watch it, I really fucking I just you know what,
and I'll say I love Harmonica Taylor. And if you
want to go so far as to say that, as
we've said, this is Red as the Bridge. If we

(36:09):
are to believe that she wrote this song for this
album during her sort of exploratory conceptual process of this,
if the harmonica was in there originally kind of like
Foretells Folklore era Taylor, you know, like it is past present, future,
like this is like the four dimensional snapshot of Taylor
Swift that we're gonna get, that we have, that we
will always have. Well, what read the album proves is

(36:33):
that time and space don't exist, because this album exists
in a vacuum where she was speaking to all let's
call it nine dimensions of Taylor, Taylor, Taylor. It was
just like speaking to everything. It was. It was shooting
out energy in all directions because you know what, you
know what she wasn't doing during Fearless Taylor's version in April.

(36:54):
She was not going on the on the show. She
was not really doing the songs live, which I'm sure
doesn't mean that she doesn't love Fearless songs like or
like you know that time in her in her career,
in her life. I just think she you can tell
she fucking loves this album. Yes, she knows, she thinks
it's one of her best. She knows it's one of
her best. She I think thinks of this also as

(37:15):
this sacred time capsule. That's why she's dressing in that
era again. I'm like, we just in folklore era, like
a year ago, and it's like and now it feels
like it doesn't be like a regression. It just feels like, whoa,
this is such And this is what I said to
Tree Pain, and I said, I know this is probably
what you guys thought about all along, but like this
really is like an intentional, powerful return to that time

(37:39):
in her life and in our lives, and so therefore
I feel like I'm twenty two again. Yes, yes, it's
just it's I don't know. I'm just saying it's crazy.
It's it's it's a crazy power, and I'm like, I
kind of like it. I'm kind of scared by it.
I'm kind of like, whoa, what is It's bizarre, very
confused and lonely at the same time, and magical. That's

(38:00):
what it is. Yeah, in the best way, in the
best way. That's what this is. Taylor. We say brav
X you X Taylor the title of a title of
X brov X Taylor brov x Taylor brov X Comma
Tay Laura exclamation point. That's exactly right, That's exactly right.

(38:21):
The red was the one time she was Tay Laura,
Taylor and Taylor everything. And that's that's beautiful, and that's
that's cultural. Rest You're so a culture baby. And okay,
so you just we just said the word king and
in a transition out of this. There's so much to

(38:41):
talk about, but I have to tell you something, King
Ego WoT Um was so good in the second season
of Love Life. I had to text her. I was like, girl,
I was the way you did that. Did you watch
the second season of love Life? The readers know that
if you've been listening for a while, you know I

(39:02):
loved the first season of Love Life. The second season
of Love Life with William Jackson Harper and Miss Jessica
Williams never better. This was great. Did you catch this?
I have not watched a single episode of Love Life.
I I'm sure I would love it. This is the
thing I told I told King this at dinner at
the after party on Saturday. I said, because someone from
someone from NBC came over and talked to us and

(39:23):
was like, oh my god, have you have we all
seen Ego in Love Life? I go, yes, and I
go she is the draw for some people, myself specifically,
because I was not. I watched because of her, and
I watched the entire thing and was like, oh my God,
give me this rom calm lead iconography. Absolutely, I mean

(39:47):
she gave it to you every way she was because
you know, Ego was giving you ego, but she was
also giving you shades of ego we haven't seen, which
I'm always excited when when when the SNL folks get
this opportunity because they're so talented, and also, Punky Johnson
is in the show. Punky is so good, fabulous, I
mean so great, and actually I think I've only had

(40:11):
the very fleeting pleasure of meeting Punky, but big fan,
the lot person in the world, the kindest, funniest person,
so so good, and I will say I'm about to
give it all the way up to William Jackson Harper,
who was an amazing lead and let truly, you guys,
this is my recommendation. This week, watched the second season

(40:33):
of Love Life. You really don't have to watch the
first season, but you know, I did enjoy it the
second season of Love Life. He's so great, so charming,
so watchable, so hot, like and his chemistry with Jessica
Williams was amazing and she has never been better. I
was like, she's a star and just across the board.

(40:54):
I really enjoyed Love Life, And props to King who
bodied that fourth episode. And then she comes back and
at the end of the season, loved it, loved it King.
I think King is really in her charges ard era,
like not that she wasn't. This is the thing. King
is one of those people that has always just sword

(41:17):
and has always moved through the world with this assured
nous that she is very good. Yep, she's a superstar.
She has the X factor. Bab she's a she has
it And honestly, can I just say I'm a jealous,
fucking bitch. No, but I see her succeed every time
on the show and life outside of SNL. I go,

(41:38):
I'm just so purely happy for you. Oh yeah, she
happens with a few people. It happens with like you
and that's it. I'm getting more people than that, but
like I'm just a king. It was one of those people.
I'm just like, God, good for you. I'm just so
happy for you. I was so happy for her, and
I know there are a lot, there's lots of fans
of that show. I texted her. I was like, I

(41:59):
hope you're hearing all the praise because she really deserves it.
And I can't say enough again. If you remember, if
if you've been watching, listening to this for a while,
or reading this podcast for a bit, you remember I
finished all of Love Life in one night. Same thing
with the second season. It's real easy. It's half hour episodes,
it's all They released the whole thing at the same time.
So it's like which Hbox doesn't always do. But I

(42:21):
believe they did it this and if they if they didn't,
it is all out now, so trick it out. Loved
it now. Did you get to watch the Adel special?
It was delivering on new Adele music. It was delivering

(42:43):
on in many ways. We heard, you know, new vocal
renditions of Taylor and Taylor. We heard Adele vocally sounding
so good and warm and healthy, singing the old classics
like you've never heard of before. I don't I don't think, um,
I don't think that someone like you has ever sounded
better when we were young. Hello, you know easy on me.

(43:06):
It's so funny hear or sing it live. But also
some of the new music that she has coming out.
She she she sang this one song called hold On,
which was fantastic, and then she closed with this song
which is like love is a game or something, and
it's like she wrote a new classic song. It's the
only way I can describe it. Like Greta came over
earlier and we were watching it and I turned to

(43:28):
her and I was like, this is a song that
we're gonna be singing for years to come, and it
just made me so excited. Her interview with Oprah was,
of course amazing, because Oprah is Oprah, and Oprah was
of course giving you classic iconic like welcome to My
Rose Garden vibes. Where I guess she's doing all her
interviews now, it's it's she has, she goes, she goes.
I really wanted to bring you back to my Rose

(43:49):
Garden because look over there, there's my tea house, and
sure enough, there's an entire house for tea, but it
was Opra's house, so Adele came over to Oprah's house.
She wore this sunning white pants suits and in the
in the in the performance itself, she had this like stunning, stunning,
She's giving Italian glamor this like black Shipparelli dress, like

(44:10):
it was just she was so beautiful and it was
like Griffith Observatory. So that was gorgeous. And I mean
this the the production design was amazing. She sounded incredible.
Check it out. It's on Paramount Plus. What I love
the most was how relaxed and happy she seems and
how she was like answering every question being like yeah,
you know, like I think Adele, we always associate with
like sort of like a frenetic drunk energy, and it

(44:34):
seems like we're seeing like a more like grown up
Adele who And you can even tell in her lyrics
in the way that she delivers it. She's like, look, babe,
this is music that I love and this is the
truth and these are my lyrics and this is how
I've grown up and you're hearing it and she like Taylor, Um.
I think I love her so much because She's like, Yeah,
I'm gonna live my life and put it out there,

(44:55):
and like that's that's that's the way I can like
interact with um. Everybody really is in the music itself,
you know, because she'll go away for years and then
come back. And it just made me so excited for
Friday to get the new music. But I think you're
gonna love it. You're gonna love the way you look
when when you listen to it. I guarantee it. There's
just a lot of culture happening in these next couple

(45:16):
of months. We're getting into Oscar season. Great music coming
out that sort of takes us back in time or
pushes us forward in time. And then, fucking I'm gonna
say it, we got a new Pokemon game coming out.
Hell yeah, talk about the using moment Pokemon. Brilliant Diamond,
Shining Pearl, that's what it is. It's to we have go.

(45:39):
We have come far from Blue and Red, We've come
far from Blue and Well. These are remix of Diamond
and Pearl that came out in the DS, but this
in like two thousand six seven. This is a remake
of Doubt on the Switch. Beautiful new Pokemon to catch
you can catch your article knows your maltration. They let
you catch the legendary birds. They can let you catch
the legendary birds depending on the version you have me,

(46:00):
you can be caught in this one. If you can
catch me. You see that that too far from me.
You might have to download because I know this bitch
has a switch. You might have to start getting into
Pokemon again so you and I can battle and trade. Wait,
I actually would love that. You're probably so much better
than you have to give me. You have to give
me a couple of months to get ahead start, I think,
let me get good again. It's coming out Friday. I'm

(46:22):
really excited. Okay, wait, if there's a new Pokemon coming out,
I'm actually excited because I would love to get to
know the new girls. Because back in the day, back
in the day when I was start of kicking kicking
the balls around, there was a hundred fifty one girls,
and now there's thousands of girls. Now there's almost a thousand.
But this is that this is going back to generation
four where they were only maybe and you can that
you might see some new girls from the future come

(46:44):
back and travel through time, dear, But it's somewhat manageable,
and some of the Gen four girls are adorable, powerful iconic.
There are some icons in the mix, don't get that.
Let's get that straight. So in terms of so, let's
say that these those are sort of the new the
new songs are the old girls still as they say,

(47:07):
giving it to you carrying like for example, is Squirrel tearing?
Is Pikachu still tearing? You know what I mean? May
not you may not see Squirtle, but you will see
a Pikachu in the wild. Of course, you will see
the classic girls roll through. Pokemon is you you don't
understand nostalgia culture as well, but also very forward thinking

(47:30):
in some ways, but also will remind you why it's
icon It is it is, Pokemon is is its own diva.
Pokemon is it is its own and every Pokemon is
a song. Think of it that way, dear, I really,
that's That's the way I'm gonna think about it from
now on. Pokemon is Aretha Franklin and Pikachu is natural woman.
You know what I mean. Pikachu's natural woman mews rsp

(47:54):
as respect and that's it. That's all there is to say.
Ars Art is dreaming and I'm thinking absolutely absolutely, and
I would say, Diamond, Diamond and Pearl are the young
gifted in black of her of her repertoire. And I
would say, you know what I would say, what I

(48:14):
really would say is that Pigioto is do right woman,
do right. That's what I would say. That's really what
I would say at this moment. If you want to
do right, oh night woman, you gotta be a do
right Oh that man? Oh come on, Jigglie puff is

(48:40):
tell me Pine of Fools and cliff Fable is you're
bad to thank? Think about to try thank thank Come
on now, products, come on, products PROCs Aretha brov X
to us all brod X to us all. Now should

(49:00):
we talk about housewives? Would you want to? Well? I
did all I've seen from the adult thing are um
is that video of Oprah and Lazzo dancing to Hello
in the audience? Yes. So the crowd was almost entirely
celebrities in Hollywood tips and I was like, truly l
O L. They cut to the crowd of Leonardo DiCaprio
was there with his mask like honest train and I'm like,
we are really exists. I was like, I wonder if

(49:23):
this is gonna elienate people that are like there was
an exclusive Adele contentatory. At one point, she goes, I
only wanted to invite people I really like. And you know,
some people haven't really made but somebody close friends and
they cut two and it's like, literally Melissa McCarthy sat
next to Lizzo. Fucking Aaron Paul is there, rocking back
and forth doing his thing. Fucking Drake Drake was there, bowen.

(49:43):
I'm not even getting what kind of was a motley.
I'm I'm getting Aaron paulkin to someone else anyway. Sorry,
Aaron Paul Jesse from Breaking Bad, who looks the same.
He walked right out of the pages of Breaking Bad
and onto the grip of the Deservatory to watch a
del sing hello, I missed that one. I missed I
missed that one too. You know he's you know, you

(50:05):
can if you want to watch the third season of
West World. He was the lead. Oh yes, people don't
know that. People don't know that. People don't talk about
West Worlds anymore. But it's you know, doing insane work,
being what it is. I want to say, I'm laughing
out loud because Jared just sent me a YouTube video

(50:26):
of Candice on the Kelly Clarkson Show. Have you seen it?
And are you laughing just because you are laughing at
the idea of cannadae? No, no, no, I never laughed
like that because I know I think drive Back is
about and a half. Well, did you see that she
posted like an Instagram story of like some party, some
like mini concerts she did at some club some in
some city where she like had like just was doing

(50:49):
her Beyonce like fat to see. I don't know why
something like that. That's what you it to say. Well,
she had two backup dancers, as I was gonna say
her Beyonce fact simile, but that's not necessarily right. But
she was doing here Beyonce fagotry with two backup dancers
behind her to drive Back, fucking going off during the

(51:12):
bridge with the coreo. And I was like, this is
fucking awesome. We love Candice Canda's performing drive Back on.
She says, Kelly Coxton show, Oh my god, different key, yeah, yeah,
oh my god, I'm obsessed. Okay, wait, oh my god,

(51:37):
she's serving conversation snation. That's not what you want. Don't
do bad bad there's not play. There is Coreo happening, bitch,
the sun is so good. We need to get her on. Yeah,
next thing and no you're grabbing no mater area. Oh

(51:58):
my god. It New York Comedy Festival. I came out
to this song and then the song ended and I
was like, who knows that song? And the crowd roared,
and I was like, I knew I had my closest
friends here tonight. I knew my girls came out to Brooklyn.
Come on, this song is so good. Back make it

(52:24):
that complain, come back, come back. Oh my god, Wait,
I just want to hear the end of the course,
even when I can, even when I can. Okay, I'm
not gonna make everyone listen to the whole thing, but
I'm just saying, Candice fucking bodied the Kelly Clarkson Show. Okay,

(52:48):
you're you and this word body today, I bodied it
it um. Andy Cohen was at the show and I
was I was like, I love that he is that
SNL and anyway, that's all I wanted. Was he standing?
Was he there to stand Taylor? Was? I think I
think it was just there to roll through. But I'm
sure he's stans Taylor, although maybe like he's never had

(53:10):
Taylor on, only know he's close with John, very close
with JM, so who knows. And I said, you know
what's gonna happen when she does really speak now, which,
by the way, I want speaking nowt bad, because now
that I've heard what she did with Red, I really
want to speak now, because that's another one that doesn't
get the shine, not that Red Budgiesman is in her top.
I said, you know, we're getting a forty five minutes,

(53:31):
dear John, with a feature film attached, and I'm ready
for it. A three hour long feature film for a
forty five minutes song, Taylor said. Scorsese vibes. Taylor said,
this is my good fellas. It's gonna be. It's gonna be.
It's gonna be three blonde women in ball gowns running
around New Jersey, New York City, fucking killing men, shooting people,

(53:54):
and her and their trunks and her trunk. De j
I way for that ship, Oh my god. And you
know what I'm realizing now she really dated these older guys,
like she must feel a certain way about this looking
back being their age. Now She's like, jeez, I'm sure
she feels some level of like what the fuck. But

(54:16):
like we've I've been there. I mean, you know, I
made a whole habit of dating guys with not even
just older s precimpally with power over me. And now
I look back and I'm like, I want to I
want to tell myself at that age, like you gotta
not do I not is this therapy? I think it
gave me a complex anyway, I've just been really, I

(54:38):
get it, I get it, I get your Taylor. Isn't
it nice to date? I just highly recommend if people
haven't tried dating people like on their level. It's not
that that's what I'm doing right now, but I at
least I'm dating someone like my own age, which doesn't
always happen. I that yeah, where I'm like, oh, I've
gone for like older guys sometimes and it's great, it's fine.

(55:00):
There's nothing that inherently wrong with it. I'm just like,
but what does it say about the dynamic? I don't know,
like the stages you're you know, Here's what i'd say.
I'm not saying. I'm not saying it's a bad thing
when there's an age difference. I'm just saying, let's not
pretend there's not like, stop, this thing of our age
difference is not something we think about our age difference,

(55:21):
that we were actually in the same sort of place
in our lives. Like we don't acknowledge the age difference.
You should be like you're at a different place in
your life. It's weird when people say things like the
age difference is not something we think about or something
that affects us. Like what I don't know. I don't know,
just speaking from experience here. But what's important is we

(55:42):
talk about the Housewives of Potomac reunion and salt like
thoughts on there on this part of the reunion. I
don't know if it's just me. I was obsessed with
it top to bottom too. I thought it was a
great reunion. Great reunion where you gotta hug from Karen
between Karen and ge Zelda was really sweet. Um Ashley

(56:03):
had a moment a little bit You and Joel are
a little bit anti Wendy. Is that fair to say?
Let me tell you something right now. I got in
Wendy opos d MS today to inviteer onto the show. Okay, teams,
and when I have if you look around me, I
have every candlelit I have I have Wendy my own

(56:24):
I'm looking to my own, my own knee right now.
The way I laughed at the Home Essentials will have
a five and seven wink can unprecedented. And then you know,
you know what Matt Rodgers did that second went to
I bought two, one for me, one for study. Okay,

(56:45):
a seven week, five week. I think that is the
funniest thing, the most funny, like uncomplicated, like it's it's
not funny because someone's suffering. It's funny because it's just
funny that she just decided to go over five. Yeah. Well,
the the Wick War is truly hilarious fun and you

(57:07):
know what's so pathetic is Mia came out with a
nine wick candle and it's like a thousand dollars and
I'm like, girl, no one is going to buy me
a candle. They cut to the Mia candle on the
show like it looks fucking ugly. I'm sorry, I'm very
I'm very Antia Thornton. Well, let's let's talk about it,

(57:28):
because you know that she said, well, don't worry because
I'm not gonna be giving girls, these girls any of
my time. No, bitch, you're fired. Okay, you're fired because
you're are you act crazy? You don't have any genuine
friends here. I think it's unfortunate because I think she
could have figured out being on this show, I really do.

(57:48):
But she just acted insane like there was there was
never she never found her bearing or like really committed
to anything. And then, honestly, I think she made the
wrong fucking enemy because and this is the star of
the show, Candice is, and I actually I would be
curious to think what you thought when they all returning
to Candice and telling her that she needed to adjust

(58:10):
her behavior and religion. What were your thoughts on all
of this? And I would be very curious to hear
what you thought about when the issue of colorism was raised,
because I have feelings about it. Well, You've put it
very eloquently in the past that what's so incredible about
The Real Housewives is that each city and each franchise

(58:32):
is about particular important subject. With Um New York, it's alcoholism.
With Beverly Hills, it's like wealth and status, which is
like you know in the China, I think, and how
people in this town in particular, it's about appearances and

(58:52):
and with Salt Lake, it's about religion. Um, I don't
watch I don't watch Dallas. I don't know what Dallas
is about status. But with status with Potomac, it's about colorism.
I think so. And Ashley Darby is a fucking dumbass
for what she said last night we're working this on Monday.
For what she said this week where she was like

(59:13):
where Wendy asked a perfect question to be like, do
you think colorism exists in society or something to that effect.
Now she was like, yes, I do. And then when
he said do you think colorism exists within this group?
And she said, no idea. And then when he's like,
how can you say that? How can you say that
colorism exists in society but not but that for some
reason we are innocularly immune to it, Like that makes

(59:34):
no sense? And the answer is because she does not
want to cop to her partise. She doesn't in the
way that it plays out on this show. I mean,
she doesn't want to take accountability for the fact that,
like you know, and this is what I'll say, is
Candice more excitable? Is she more active? Is she more animated? Yes?

(59:56):
Do I think that she sometimes pushes buttons that make
me started biting my nails. Yes. Do I find her
to be as dangerous, as aggressive, as unruly as they
would make it seem. No. And I also think that
Wendy often fields things from the other women that they
don't lobby at the light skinned women. That's why Wendy

(01:00:19):
and Candice or like this, like you could really tell,
like especially when they cut to them like during the
lunch break or whatever, like check in with each other.
It was like, Oh, this is like a really deep
connection that they share over this fucked up thing. Uh.
And I don't know. I I think I came away
from this episode siding with Candice even I mean I
always go back and forth with her, um, but this time,

(01:00:42):
but really just like enjoyed what she I mean, I mean,
part of one was pretty iconic with because what you
were was because on Gray you were ungrateful. I mean,
and we said to each other, that is the new
she was trespassing from the in for reunion. Um. Candice
just has so many great moments at these reunions that

(01:01:04):
I just appreciate that, like, not for being messy or
for being like I mean, yeah it's messy, but I
just think she um, she's just a very dynamic chaos
agent on the show. The way that feels more exciting
to me than Gazelle and Karen. I mean, I am
sick of that stuff too. With Candice, it's like like
her going to the kitchen, chasing down Ashley Darby in

(01:01:26):
the kitchen and the Williamsburg House being like, why the
fund did you do that? I love that ship. I
love when someone just like runs after someone and and
just goes what was the point of that? Yeah, because
I want to do that all the time, and I
aspire to a Candice Dillard Bassett level of just like, hey,
what the fuck? I think that Candice and Wendy are

(01:01:46):
by far the most dynamic characters on the show. And
I think that. Look, I love Andy Cohen and like,
I think he does great for the world. I think
he was getting annoyed with her in a way that
he should understand. I hope he gets that what he
has with her, because she is truly important on this show. Yes,

(01:02:11):
because Candice, you can tell like like almost like like
they get under each other's skin. And I think Andy
likes it, But but I question it because it seems
like he does get his feathers ruffled a little bit
like with her, and I think that he reacts to
her a lot. He does, and I think that what

(01:02:32):
he needs to understand is that's good like and I
don't think her places in jeopardy. But when Karen was like,
you better change the way you behavior. People are just
gonna tune you out, I was like, is that some
sort of threat? Do you think that I love Karen Hugo,
But do you think that you're like at the level
on this show that like what anything you say is
going to make the fans feel a different way about Candice.

(01:02:53):
I get that Candice is divisive, but Candice's fans ride hard,
and I know them, I'm one of them, and I'm
just saying, like, let's not gaslight this person into trying
to think that the things she's experiencing are not real.
Because when he said to her, you were almost attacked
last year, I was like, almost attacked without yeah, and

(01:03:16):
then without goes and that's my fault that I was attacked.
Then she kind of like changed the framing of that,
the phrasing just being like I was and almost my fault. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One of maybe the most violent altercation and Housewives history.
Absolutely one of one of the blood was dropped, like, yeah, look,

(01:03:39):
if Candice has if Candice has issues with quote unquote
anger management, she should and will deal with it. But
let's not pretend like anything she's doing is warranting any
of the physical altercations that have been levied against her.
And for Giselle to say like, had had Mia pop Chu,

(01:04:01):
I would have been like shoulder shrug when last year
she was like bringing security to fucking coffee events that
Monique Briant, I don't know. And then and then I
was happy to see some progression with her, like in
her narrative, but we see through it with her, we
see through it. And also for her to sit there
and say that, I was like, wow, the gas lighting

(01:04:23):
that Candice experiences on this franchise is not acceptable. And
if she chooses to leave the show, everyone on it
will have fucked up. That's what m g Zel was.
Is there growth because they feel like we're just kind
of she's been spitting her wheels on the show. It's
always about Jamal and someone It's it's just it's never

(01:04:46):
there's no progression. It's always about like her being like
fully lonely with her daughters. I don't know, it's it's
sad to me, um and I just it's it's so
deeply irrit hitting me that she can't take it. She
can always she can always dish it, never, never refuses

(01:05:07):
to talk about this guy she was dating. Then she
ended up breaking up with, like even though she pried
into everyone else's ship. The way that she defended her
bringing up the Eddie rumors was that was fucking brainless
to me and Wendy being like Wendy breaking it down perfectly,
being like that blog is maybe read by hundreds of people,
you brought it onto this platform that is watched by millions.

(01:05:29):
How do you think that makes me feel? That was
just like short circuits so messy. Giselle like that's like
she knows she's been on the show long enough to
know that like that like has like impact and imp
like like that like can ruin a marriage so fucked up.
I will publicly say that I bow and Yang hate

(01:05:50):
Giselle brun not since Ramona Singer, I like deeply disdained
a like have to have have had deep disdain for
a housewife. This is how I think we get to
the bottom of the situation. Because she's not going anywhere.
She her and Karen like that is the central that
is like a central plotline of the show. Robbin's Gotta
Go because you need to cut Giselle's lackey off and

(01:06:12):
the Robin storyline if it's not done, it's too sad
to watch. She needs either a break or she needs
to be let go. And we got some new people
in here. I don't think that will happen, but I
do think that that's a way we can get to
the core of Gazelle a little more because in the
character study of Giselle Bryant, I do think there was

(01:06:34):
some movement forward because we got her to admit that
she's got a lot of guards up as a defense
mechanism because she's been very, very hurt, and she refuses
to get emotional because she has to be strong. And
I do understand therapist man like once every two years,
it's right, And the thing is like, what to see

(01:06:55):
her get emotional about Karen. I was like, maybe that's
what it is. Maybe we just need to isolate this
a little bit more to Karen and Giselle and sort
of figure out what what what it is there, because
the fact is this, Giselle does not see Robin as
an equal no, and that is allowing her too always

(01:07:17):
have excuses and always have justifications because Robin is never
going to not give her that and to form theories
out of nothing that just distract from her own pain.
That's the that's the whole Wendy thing. Like she like
basically like was bored twiddling her thumbs at home, not
being able to teach your kids how to drive, and

(01:07:38):
then going, let me just like actually propagate this horrible
rumor about Wendy that has no basis in fact a reputable,
incredible blog. Yeah. And also when Wendy was like, when
the time comes, make sure you apologize to my children,
and just all was like, why would I have to
apologize to them? And that in and of itself says
it all. She can't understand and that what she's done

(01:08:01):
is one day Wendy's kids, when they stumble upon narratives
in this show, are going to have to see that
there were rumors that their father was unfaithful to their mother.
So don't don't don't come around here being like my children,
my children, my children, with such blatant disregard for the
feelings and well being of one of your castmates children.

(01:08:23):
And that's flat out so I thought Wendy was so
on point this whole time. She's been great. And by
the way, Wendy o Cepo has just liked my comment.
Oh my God, would love to join you and Bowen
if your producer can send an email, she says him,
Matt hopefully God. First, thank you so much for purchasing

(01:08:45):
the candles. I'm so grateful for your support. Asked for
the podcast? How awesome is that? Yes, would love to
join you and Bowen if your producer contended an email
over to my team, they can assist with scheduling and
the sticks. Super excited looking forward to it. This is
happening in real time. I'm saying, I can't tell you
how thrilled we are. Email is incoming. Oh my God,

(01:09:05):
tell her, as a child of immigrants of insane immigrant
parents that she is my favorite housewife ever. Well, you're
gonna get to tell her bib because she's gonna come
on next week or the week after. And how about
them a pless Wow, unbelievable. How awesome is to ask

(01:09:26):
for the podcast? How awesome is that? Literally? Hello? Well hello?
Then when celebrate that, and then I'm so our first housewife,
our first house life and not a better person. But
um fucking how did she she put the Wendy Stepho

(01:09:47):
inflection on. She said, but baby, baby, no conversation needed
or whatever it was she said. She said, no editing
needed or whatever, or no real exciting because the question
was do you rehearse your rehearsal? Yeah? Yeah, no rehearsal
need did some people have it? And Wendy has it
and you're gonna see that she has got it, which
comes on podcast Last Cultures. Wow not wait, wow, Oh

(01:10:12):
my god. You know, Matt and I our own individual
one candles to OHI to the way we bought. We
lit them in Ohi the way. My entire place smells
like only Home Essentials. And I told you about the
Luxury Fragrance spray. The Luxury Frager spray is where it's at.
She gave you what she wrote you, a hand written

(01:10:33):
No she did not write anyone, No she didn't, but
that's what I think that she only wrote. Bought the
full line. I've now spent almost five at the Wendy O.
Cfo On Home Essential Store, so I do believe I
deserved the handwritten note. You absolutely do. And I'm just
I'm not saying that I do too. I'm just saying
I'm a little disappointed that I did not go all in.

(01:10:57):
Oh my, get the handwritten Wendy. She's gonna come on
and she's going to talk to us about what it
was like with NICKI minaj. Oh my god, this is
too good anyway, this is absolutely the apex of the
Potoma conversation. So to be continued, and let's move on.
Let's move on to the Salt Lake City Housewives episode

(01:11:17):
that I believe is one of the best Housewives episodes
of all time. Andy Cohen promised us one of the best,
one of the top five. I no lies, no fucking lies.
I mean the whole thing was edited like it was
fucking like true crime, Like there glitchy title cards and
ship like I was screaming. But the time, the time

(01:11:41):
stands were so important. This was the episode where jen
Shaw gets arrested for wire fraud, um and I think,
among other things. But when they were breaking let's just
say this, when they were when Heather Gay was breaking
down in the car as Whitney is rubbing her back,
saying fraud. It's fraud frod Whitney, Whitney was herself. Whitney

(01:12:05):
has cemented herself as one of the all time greats.
Talk about someone, I don't think it's suspicious at all
that she knows. I think she's she's just like she's smart.
She knows about how the world works. Like, don't say
that it's suspicious, like if Jenny fucking doesn't know how anything,
like which way is up? Lisa is a dumbass. I'm sorry,
I'll say it like Lil Lisa Barlow also was iconic

(01:12:29):
to me. No, I was actually very my whole opinions.
As soon as she starts sobbing for Stu, I'm like,
don't feel bad for Stu after you just found out
that they've been fraud like wire frauding so many elderly
they feel bad for their families. But I look, here's
what I'm saying. When I think Lusa Barlow is iconic.

(01:12:49):
I don't think she's morally standing up right, but was
iconic when she when they cut to all six of
her phone calls with her lawyers, and every version, every
version of it was her saying I'm literally making or
literally ship I mean yeah, I mean literally talk about
a meme like like she was giving you everything you needed.

(01:13:10):
She was, she was entertaining. I just think, like, I
don't really like you as a person anymore, even though
you were fine fine. I will say that the winner
of the episode, it's a tie between Whitney and Meredith,
who face times them, learns about learns about all this,
and her first her knee jerk responses, I'm not surprised anyway.
Can't we just see you girls by give her the

(01:13:32):
middle snowflake at this time. Yeah, the girls are all
really competing for the middle snowflake because they're all sort
of tearing each other parts together. It this, I will
say the the Mary arriving and finding Meredith in the
bathtub with the class of Champagne. I was like, see
this is how you do staged housewives bullshit. That feels

(01:13:54):
exactly right. I was like, I think, I think, because
I do think in watching it, I think Meredith stage
is quite a bit, but it feels iconic, and she's
rarely and she's rarely dressed, not iconically her in that
little pink dress that she got it wowles, she says
after turns up the phone. She's not surprised about the
whole thing. She then her revealing on camera that Jen,

(01:14:16):
one of Jen's people, stole from her store six months prior.
She can't stand Jen, hates Jen, never wanted to reconcile
with Jen. Wouldn't have done it have they not been
on a show, And now that she has an excuse,
she says, I'm vindicated. Everyone set the funk down. I've
been saying this person is a iconic evil man. Oh
my god. Jen's like, isn't it so chilling to watch back?

(01:14:42):
I'm so glad they played it again. I guess in
the previously um package, but like the way She's like,
Shreef has internal bleeding and I'm like, you're lying, You're lying.
She was lying, and you know what on watching What
Happens Live this Heather Gay like she's a writer or
die friend for better or worse? Because Andy Kohin was like,

(01:15:05):
how can you defend her doing that? And she goes,
I don't think anyone knows what we were doing that situation,
so yeah, I can't defend it. I was like, girl,
there are real victims here, and she lied to your face,
which shows you that she would have done the same thing.
To you. Absolutely, And it's not an Erica comparison because
it's like there's a there's there's evidence, there was an investigation.

(01:15:28):
It's like it's there. She was put in handcuffs, she
went to a fucking detend she was in custody. Yeah,
Erica was not charged with a crime exactly. This is
completely in a different league. Like she's a fucking criminal
and a harmful, vicious one at that. And this is

(01:15:49):
what I said, praying on vulnerable people. Yes, so so
when they showed when Meredith was like, it didn't bother
me that the bag got stolen, it bothered me that
she kept someone who stole from my store on her staff.
Because Jenshaw doesn't care about moral character. She cares about loyalty.
When you were loyal to someone who has no moral character, Like,

(01:16:09):
there's no question her and her entire group are criminals.
They're dangerous. These women need to separate themselves from her immediately.
It's not like Erica, where it's like, you know, there's
some question about whether or not the women should have
on Beverly Hill should have been worried. It's like, no,
this is really fucked up, and a lot of these

(01:16:31):
women do business with each other. Yeah, I kind of
you're saying, hey, there's a writer or die friend for
better or for worse. It's only for worse for me.
Where it's like, I think you're really but I would
do it for you. I would. I would. I would
do it for you. I really would. And you're a
very bad criminal, but I would do it for you too.
But I was gonna say that neither of us would
do this. But if I would not come to this

(01:16:54):
because we we would not do this because you and
I I know, I know that you have moral bitch
you are you are actually a moral icon. So true,
so true, and likewise, thank you. We're both we're both winking.
We're both winking at each other so much our eyes
are gonna find I think we're I think we're morally
we're both morally we are not the morally cored up

(01:17:16):
to fare. We are morally sound going young and Matt
Rogers but on the on the watch What Happens Live
episode and he was like, wow, like you're really like
going hard for Heather goes. You know what, this is
how I want to show up in the world. That's
a good friend. And I was like, all right now.
Now she's done. I mean, like, all right, congratulations to

(01:17:38):
head there. She got the Rihanna follower in the first season,
but now it's all over. That is a thing. Whenever
they're like, your life's amazing, Rihanna, DM do, I'm like, girl,
that means nothing. It means nothing. I means she got
stoned one nine and was this She's like, I'm famous
enough to DM any woman I see on TV and
have them like freak the funk out, Like that's just
that's that's more of a Rihanna thing than it is

(01:17:59):
a youth thing. So for Heather, I'm just like, oh,
you are really not doing this well. You don't understand.
Unfortunately to use this phrase the assignment and Whitney is
really I fucking love that chills. I have the chills.

(01:18:20):
I'm numb. I'm numb numb when she goes. I mean
I had a sugar daddy. She her timing and just
everything she's done in confessionals from those so like the
act outs to the jokes like she's I don't think
I don't even think like anyone's like writing this ship

(01:18:41):
for her. I think she's just like a funny, smart,
quick person. Clearly, Like on the bus, she was just
kind of like schooling all these fucking women. And she's
got everyone pressed because she's in conflict with Mary and
Lisa and has been in it with Jim. She's actually
right at the center. She's right, that's the center, and
it's it's it's it's queen behavior, it's queendom, it's it's queendom.

(01:19:05):
Between between her and Meredith, they are not they are
contenders for next year's Queendom Award. They're actually when Whendy
comes on the pod, which will happen, she will she
will receive the Queendom Award. That's if that's like if
that like is like a bait that I can throw
out there, Whitney, if you come on the show, you'll
win the Queendom Award. You will win the Queendom Meredith, Meredith,

(01:19:27):
Meredith Mars will also win the Queendom Award. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, she's honorary Queendom. By the way, when are
we doing the why Well, it's sort of like a
it's sort of a really good question, and I think
later maybe it's a maybe I think I know you're
saying later in a way that is a fun, you know,
tease for the readers. But I feel like it might

(01:19:48):
be a year end thing, possibly, I think so, I think,
who can say? You know what I mean? We certainly
can't say. We can't say, and yet we're the only
ones who can say, And so that's sort of where
we're at. What I will say is that I have
not read the nominees in a while, and I'm married,
and I'm stressed that I will read these again and

(01:20:09):
be like, well, none of this. Here's here's what I
would say about the list of nominees. It already doesn't
hold up in an iconic way, and um, why why, wait,
what are you talking about? Specifically? I think that our
nominations leader isn't actually a lot of real trouble, and

(01:20:29):
we send a lot of well wishes her way, and
hopefully she returns to public life soon. But I don't
think it would be in good taste to do the
last cultu Risco's Culture Awards while our nominations leader seems
to be in flux in her personal life and such
a fashion. Are we saying and yes, I echo, are

(01:20:49):
the well wishes you've just put out there? Absolutely are
we saying that we cancel. I'm saying, I'm saying we
haven't made that decision yet. But if we're waiting on
our nominations, Lee, are our nominations leader to get better?
I don't know that we can expect that in the
sh think I think that we will have an off

(01:21:12):
camera discussion, off reader Mike discussion about this because I
think I think there's a way we can salvage it.
And it's iconic, okay, and it's actually I think we
needed to do all the time. But but moving on,
let's just say in terms in terms of people that
if we're talking culture before we get to I don't
think so, honey, and sort of do that. If we're
talking culture and people that we wished well and that

(01:21:34):
we were concerned for, Let's just say the conservatorship is over,
Britney Spears is free, and I think as a public
that we can just and I think everyone is thinking this,
we just cannot repeat old mistakes. I think we just

(01:21:56):
leave this woman alone. Leave her alone. She never wants
to perform again, that's her prerogative, Okay, come on, I
think there is something to maybe investigate with the current
boyfriend you potentially, I mean, maybe like I just let's
just like, I don't know, but if she seems happy,

(01:22:17):
I think what I want now is to just give
her her full autonomy do whatever the hell it is.
And by the way, it's fiance and we will see
where the where the chips fall. But for right now,
I'm like, it's important that we at least give her
a fucking chance. So we're giving her the chance. And
it's not even it's not even up to any of
us to be like she deserves a chance. No, that's

(01:22:39):
what this whole thing was about, Like, let's take our
fucking opinions out of it, Let's take our judgment and
voyeurism out of it. She's a human being who deserves
to do whatever the hell she wants. And you know,
unfortunately we will all see what happens. But fortunately she's
given that opportunity. And that's how I feel about it

(01:23:00):
at this time. Do you want a morning show plot update? Yes?
I always do. What are the third graders writing this time?
The third graders are yet again on one. So if
you last heard is the teacher? Are they are they
still even at school? Are they meeting up? I feel
like this is what are you're about to tell me
is gonna be so crazy that I'm like, well, they

(01:23:20):
must be meeting up at like you know, fucking Tanners
house or something, eating pizza, just like just really going crazy.
The teachers on the room. Like last time you gave
me the update was like the teacher left. I think
the teacher left, and I think comes back to the

(01:23:40):
classroom drunk. I think the teacher leaves. I think the
teacher leaves during the day, gets drunk at Applebee's at
the bar during the day. It comes at the end
of the comes at the end of the day and
read what they've written, and it's like, this is the
Greg you kid, I love you guys, great writers, and

(01:24:02):
I think that that is the only explanation for what
has gone down on the show. But the kids aren't
even at the school anymore, is what I'm saying. There's
no there's the rules are the rules? The rules keep
falling away, Okay, so tell me. It's like when you
get excited about a project to school and you actually
are excited enough to take it home and work on it.
I think what you're I think what you're saying is
they're drunk. Teacher is giving them affirmations and they're really excited,

(01:24:24):
and they've worked themselves up into a frenzy to the
point where they can write two weeks ago that Steve
Carrell drives off a cliff. Steve Carrell is dead. So
they actually there was a great episode last week, which
is them all reeling from the news that Steve Carell
is dead. And I actually left last week thinking, Okay,
this actually is a good episode. I'm I'm with it.
Jennifer ANSTI continues to do great work. Here's the thing.

(01:24:45):
No one's doing bad work on the cast. Everyone's doing
great work. Okay, it is the writing that's a zoo
in the best way. I mean, this is my favorite show.
I literally I look forward to it every week. A
lot happens on this last episode. Jennifer Aniston basically gets
canceled because it comes out that she fucked Steve Correll

(01:25:06):
a couple of times and then went to Italy to
go see him and write out COVID. So no, no,
so they don't. So again, this is a world where
Jennifer Aniston, knowing that Italy is a hotspot, flies to Italy,
goes to Steve Correll asked him to debunk a rumor
that they had sex. He's like, so you want me

(01:25:27):
to lie. She's like, yeah, I want you to fucking lie.
Then they have like a whole night together. They don't
sleep together, but it's very clear that they are in
love and made for each other. She ends up leaving,
falling asleep with the wheel and needing to pull over.
You think maybe she's gonna get into a car accident. No,
it's Steve Correll who drives off a cliff and dies.
She flies to America, gets off the plane and is

(01:25:49):
told immediately upon landing that he's dead. So she has
a breakdown, goes to his wife's house, apologizes. On the
way there, has a huge fight with um duplas. That
was iconic. They're just screaming each other in the car
and then the sound cuts out, so we're just watching
them have meltdowns. Iconic. Oh, they do that when films

(01:26:12):
and TV do that. Yeah. So Jennifer Aniston gets to
Steve Carell's wife, who's Mbeth David's, and tells her I
wanted to tell you this is about to come out
in the book, and also, by the way, he's dead.
She's like, okay, thanks for telling me, and then she's like,
I want to apologize, and she's like, you knew me,
you didn't have to fuck him, and she's like, it
only happened twice, and she goes, oh, only twice, and

(01:26:35):
she's like, get the funk out of here. Jennifer Aniston's
back is hurting. She she you can tell she has
so much stress that's it's carrying up in her back.
She can't believe her life. So she comes back from
Italy and it is fully working in the morning show studio. Okay,
So meanwhile everyone's there, Julianna margin Lass in the throes
of a lesbian level fair with a k a. Bradley

(01:26:57):
Jackson who used to be Bradley Jackson, but now it's
fully just Reese blonde hair, Reese with this accent. Raley
Jackson's kind of gone, but we still stand and we
still love it. Her and Julianna Margatie's have about six
percent chemistry, but we are buying them as lesbian lovers
because we have to. We have to. So Reese's alcoholic
brother played by Yes Sarah Barellis's husband, the guy from

(01:27:18):
Mayor vest Town. Oh he's so good. Joe Tippett great
great actor. He drunkenly shows up. He's relapsed. He embarrasses
her at work and she puts him in a rehab
and has to walk away. And that's actually affecting stuff. Okay,
So Jennifer Aniston in a book published by Marsha Ka Harden,

(01:27:39):
it's it's come to light that she fucked Steve Carrell.
So it looks like she's not going to be canceled.
But then footage of her admitting that she went to
Italy to go see him leaks because she said she
announces this at Steve Carrell's memorial, and of course someone
was filming it at this small memorial, it leaks online.

(01:27:59):
How could she not know that? Whatever? Alright, so she
didn't know the third graders are on one. There's a
lot of bait and switch in like the last ten
minutes to the episode. So she wakes up in a
cold sweat one night and she looks at Twitter and
she's being canceled on Twitter. Furious, she goes to run
over to get her phone or something, trips on a shoe,

(01:28:20):
hits her head on the desk, wakes up in a hospital.
They say surprise. We says to you, you have COVID
and she goes ah and clutches her head, and then
it cuts to the rest of the hospital, which is
like obviously going crazy with COVID, and you basically leave
the episode knowing that she's exposed her entire call it

(01:28:43):
her entire workplace, and all the cast that we know
in love to COVID, they all definitely have COVID. That's
how we are going into the tenth and final episode
of season two. In the Morning Show, Jennifer Anderson has
brought Jennifer Anderson is a super spreader who brought COVID
back from Italy after Steve pro Dove buff a cliff
and she trips or her fucking lubaton, hits her head
on the desk, wakes up with COVID in the hospital

(01:29:04):
and now mama, it's March thirteen. The worst part is
she's canceled. She's canceled, canceled, canceled. Can you do your
impression of her finding out that she has COVID again?
She goes not just so she wakes up in the
hospital and she oh, who's Her head hurts and she

(01:29:26):
goes and her phone's ring and she goes hello, and
they go hey, sorry about what happened. She goes, oh
what happened? They go, you hit your head. We know
your assistant is not there because she can't be there
because not allowed in the hospital. What am I canceled?
And they go, yeah, sorry about that too, but it's
really sorry about the other thing. She goes, what what else?

(01:29:47):
And they go, they did a test. You're positive for
COVID nineteen. And she goes and she like burrows into
her pillow and like I think, covers her head with
the pillow, and the camera pans over the rest of
the hospital in a frenzy. The third graders are giving
everything they could give. It's it is my favorite show.

(01:30:10):
I have to really commend the third graders for the
bait and switch of you think it's Jen who's going
to drive off is going to have an accident, but
classic classic. I think I think I think that I
think the third graders just watched the season six finale
Greys Anatomy, when you think it is about to die
but then you find out it's George instead. I think

(01:30:31):
it's very that. I think I think that I think
the teacher who was drunk showed everybody that episode and
I see Sometimes you can have one character that you
make people think it's going to die, but really it's
this other character who out of nowhere dies. I think
that's the class. You know, what's happening. The third graders
are using their imaginations, and I think it's a testament

(01:30:54):
to imagination. The Morning Show is a testament to imagination.
It's actually a real culture. Number say in the one
The Morning Show. The Morning is the testament imagine nation.
Absolutely king, that is what's happening on the Morning Show. Um,
I am absolutely devastated that next week is the final episode.

(01:31:16):
It is my favorite show on television, and I will
be devastated when it's over. But the good news is
I can watch it again and again, and I will.
You can watch it again and again, and there will
be other shows that you will love. I promise you
this a lot of great shows coming out, lots of
good stuff coming out, and films I heard being The
Ricardo is actually good, Okay, great. I can't wait to
see it. I can't wait. Is it time? Unless there's

(01:31:38):
nothing else, I think that it might be time for
I don't think so, honey, I think it might be right.
I think so, honey, So I don't think so honey.
Is that woman a segment that we do when we
read have to get something in culture for sixty seconds
and I have something. I am so excited you have something.

(01:31:59):
Let me pull up the clock. This is Matt Rodgers
is I don't think so honey. As time starts now, sorry,
I don't think so honey. Karaoke. So Sudie Green had
Alanic birthday party the other night where we did karaoke,
and unfortunately, as you can hear in my voice, that
is completely gone. I don't think so honey karaoke. There
is not a healthy way to do it. There is

(01:32:21):
not a circumstance where you can leave feeling good physically
about the way your throat feels. So another thing is emotionally.
It's always a question mark because karaoke you can't really
hear yourself, so you don't know the vocals are good.
I don't think so honey karaoke. There's always that one
song you want to do that's not on the list.
I don't think so honey karaoke because sometimes the books

(01:32:43):
are so big and you're flipping through them and you
just simply can't find I can never decide what I'm
gonna do. I don't think so honey karaoke because a
lot of these karaoke places don't have their own alcohol
to B y O B. So I don't think so
honey that. I don't think so honey by B. Culture
have things. I don't think so honey karaoke really, mainly
because it has taken my voice and I want it

(01:33:04):
back so that I can sing again. I don't think
so that's one minute. I'm so sorry, queen that it
took something you love to do away from you. It
is in theory fun, but it really karaoke culture is
shouting culture, and that is harmful culture. It's self harm.
Karaokee is self harm. That's role of culture. Number nine.
Karaoke is self harm harm. And look, I have a

(01:33:30):
lot of respect for what I would what I would
term karaoke people. But I'm also very scared of him,
because how you could put yourself in a state of
abuse again and again and again is shocking. I will
say that I did see some stars at karaoke, Sudie
Green and Amanda Shakman saying tell him by Seleen Dion

(01:33:52):
and Barbara Streizing. I've never seen anything like it. It
was amazing. They're the Selene and Barbara of our generation. Yes,
those two. Yes, a manastructment is our Selene Barbara. I mean,
it was so wonderful to see it so well matched.
And I did have so much fun. And also I
would say out loud, Sudie, I had so much fun
at your birthday. It was just the physical effects I

(01:34:14):
felt afterwards that have me saying, I don't think so, honey.
Karaoke and any of my best friends they could say,
my birthday is that put this thing in here that
you don't like doing, and I would be there, honey,
to the bitter end. And I was there until when
I am singing La La by Ashley Simpson, a song
that no one can sing without getting hurt, and I'm
doing it. You sang the most dangerous song in the world,

(01:34:38):
seven Rings, Seven Rings, and I was saying, La La
by Astley Simpson is literally screaming, yeah, it's it's I mean,
I I can't even try to do it right now
because it's crazy. I also did careless whisper, I did
um we we did wildest dreams, simply not in my key.
And that's that's another thing is it's hard to find
a song in your key, and the fun songs you

(01:34:58):
want to do as a gay man are we men's songs,
and so you have to scream them and then you're hurting.
I mean, I still take it over you giving La
la because it feels like that Blades of Glory thing
where it's like it's that trick that nobody has been
able to do without killing the other person. You know,
like no one's exactly do it a lot. You are.
It's playing as war. It's that same sort of high

(01:35:20):
risk situation, and I commend you. I'm glad you're okay.
We kind of sang La la as a group, which
I think hurt everyone. You know. Actually I sang it
and I could see everyone afterwards like everyone had been
at war. They were all like rubbing their So it's
like sort of like doing like like you know, with karaoke,
there's always another song on the docket and you gotta

(01:35:42):
just pick it up and keep moving. But it's tough
and it hurts, and sometimes birthday parties hurt. And I
would do it for my sisters, and I would do
it every time for my sisters. That's you are STU
level loyal. I'm still I'm Heather Gay. I'm not here
being like you're heading if Andy es, can you defend
that studio a karake birthday? I said, yeah, I mean

(01:36:03):
she wants to do karaoke. She enjoys karaoke, and I would.
I would shout my way through any song and pay
for it for two days, um every time, every time?
Who do you identify with the most? Now? Between the
Salt Lake City Housewives, Lisa, I don't think you're a Heather. Yeah,
you're Lisa Lisa. I'm Lisa and I wear it is
a badge of honor. I think I might be Meredith.

(01:36:28):
You are. We are at least you are huh. We
are at Lisa and Meredith and your friendship one is
like cool one is doing a little bit too much. Ultimately,
if there's ever a conflict that they're going to get
through it. You are a fashion icon. I do want
to just huge huge TETs. One has gorgeous, humongous TETs.

(01:36:52):
You have that low you have that that low voice,
the lang vocal sort of quality. Yea, and my kids
one day, if I have them, are going to exist
on a combination of McDonald's del Taco and RBS, and
they're gonna start a business about wolves. I don't like

(01:37:17):
it's like a it's like a it's like yeah, it's
like it's it's like it's like grooming products. And I
heard it's pretty good. Actually, okay, I gotta get some
fresh here. I am spending five at Only Home Essentials.
I gotta buy some fresh Wolf. I think I would
enjoy it. I'm gonna do a product review. I will
say this to Wendy stuff. I'm so excited she's coming on.
The only Housewives product I've bought is one I have.

(01:37:39):
I've not bought Brooks Marks, I have not bought fresh Wolves,
haven't bought any you know Lisa Reynist stuff or you know.
I I really God, I loved you stuff of so much.
I can't say the same. In terms of product consumption.
Of course, I have the Brooks I wish I was
some more. I bought all of Dr Tiffany Moon's candles

(01:38:00):
O hers are fun. They're really good. And I have
I'm drowning any products. And I it's not that I
don't want Karen Hugo products. It's that it's specifically lad
doom and I don't have a doom apartment. I have
an on homos and that's just you have more owner. Yeah,
this is time for you. Are you ready? This will

(01:38:22):
be your second. I don't think so many of that episode.
I'm so excited this is Bone Yang's second. I don't think,
so honey. As time starts now, I don't think, so honey,
having fun because I'm not having that right now and
I haven't had it in a very long time. Even
though I've had lovely moments of you know, going to

(01:38:43):
Ohai with my friends, laughing at work, meeting people I
love at work, having that opportunity at work, I'm not
having fun. I will say, maybe it is like a
winter doldrums thing. This is a sad I don't think,
so honey, And maybe it's not one that we post
on Instagram. Who handles our social media and who edits
are lovely? I don't think so honey. Videos. We love

(01:39:05):
Spencer so much, He's iconic. Um, I'm just, you know,
in the words of Stephanie Germinata, I'm not having fun tonight,
and tonight is a long time in my and my
sort of um clock, So yeah, I would love to
have fun at some point soon. I haven't felt real

(01:39:26):
joy in a long time. I did go on a
good date this week, a couple of good dates. And
that's that. Tell us about that, tell us about, tell
us about you're a good day. I'm gonna be at
gel Briant say. I don't want to say too much,
but it was lovely and you know, you know, to
have this, to have a good date on the week
of Red Taylor's version Begin Again, incredible, It's begin again.

(01:39:48):
It's begin again. It's treacherous, it's stated grace. It's I'm like,
well and well, no, no, no, I just it timed
out really well. Yeah, it sounds like it will day.
It was a great day. I love good dates. I
was like, whoa, I really didn't think this could happen again.

(01:40:12):
We love it. I feel vulnerable sharing that. That's okay.
You know, you know when you express vulnerability, see, that's
the vulnerability that the judges are looking for. And when
you express vulnerability, we feel like we know you, and
that's what we want. We want the connection. We want
to know that that person on the other side of
the screen, whether there are a million miles away, that
they're a little bit more like us than we thought.

(01:40:33):
And we think the number one, we think, we know
he's funny. We want to know he's real. You you
are RuPaul. I could step into RuPaul drag if you will,
very easily, because I think Rue is really one of
the most influential people in pop culture. When you say
absolutely does a little culture number seven, Rue is one

(01:40:56):
of the most influential people about culture. Oh my God,
and now, Matt, Oh, the way you've lifted my spirits
warmed my heart on this cold, cold night in my apartment.
I you always cease to amaze me. In the words
of Little Mama on America's Next Best Dance Crew, that's
my job as your clown best friend, Babe. I'm I

(01:41:19):
say you smiling and laughing, and you were not doing
that at the beginning. And at the beginning, big old
check mark, you are not. You are not obligated to
do that with me. That is my joy to do that. Well,
as long as you're happy, then I'm happy. But I
don't want you to ever feel like work for you
that you have to like get me, get me lifted

(01:41:40):
up like you always I I will always be happy
when I see you and talk to you. You don't
have to put there's you don't have to put any
effort in. I'm just happy to see my very good friend,
my best friend, even Matt Rogers. That's so kind, and
I'm always so happy to see you. I want to know.
I'm checking on your well being right now. Do you
have a space heater? No, not even space or I
don't know. I'll they're probably look at it tomorrow morning.

(01:42:02):
I hope it will be resolved by then. But tonight
I'm gonna like really fucking layer up under the covers
or something. Why don't you get a hotel? Hotel? No,
I'm not. I was gonna do work. I was gonna
do that last night. But tonight I maybe I'll do that.
Do it. Get a hotel close to work, or order

(01:42:24):
room order room scurce for yourself tonight. If I was you,
I would go over there like and do like a
late night moment and just turn around for myself real
close to work, have so that you can walk. It
could be kind of fun. I'm just snabe. I'll consider
I'll consider um anyway. Well, I loved this episode. We
covered a lot covered Tay Laura. That's hey, Laura, brav

(01:42:44):
X Tay Laura will. We absolutely love what you've done, Adele.
You are coming, so is Wendy. Gag. The fact that
the most the most thrilling part of this episode happened
in the middle. Matt can confirm that Wendy is my favorite.
Oh yeah, you've been saying. And when you levied the
accusation that I was not firmly team Wendy, I was like, no,

(01:43:08):
I said, in the words of Wendy, I said, baby,
let me correct the record. I am teams And when
I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I am so excited I
can't even tell you if it's next week. Fuck yeah,
Well we will let everyone know. We will let everyone know,
but trust and believe we will craft a very good episode.

(01:43:29):
We will ask her all the right questions, making fun,
make it insightful. There's no way it won't be insightful
when it's Wendy. I mean, Wendy just always always speaks truth.
She's the best, and she's got the book coming out
that tears of my Mother, and she's got the line,
and she's got the fucking Potomac reunion after a whole
season that was great and what's gonna be so fun?

(01:43:51):
Can't wait can't wait, baby, baby, baby, can't wait. We
end every episode with a song two headlight shot, dude,
less night, get you you keep changing keys? Do I

(01:44:11):
glass going through my mind? I think you should think
you should know that nothing thing is worth driving. Following
follow you are, follow you follow I love it. Bye bye,

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