"Darn Barney The Dinosaur (Matt and Bowen Are High Again)"

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look man, oh I see you? Why why? Oh? And
look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, big
dong lost cultures calling? So listen, what does it feel
like exactly to be a sexual icon. I don't know

(00:22):
about any of this. I don't know about this. When
I saw you with that hand upon mustache, I was
it was a story like that had never been told. Well,
that's a fairy tale and a fantasy, because I will
never be able to grow a mustache of that shape
and size and volume because I'm only working with the
snaggly ones. Mama. The magic they're able to do with surgery.

(00:44):
Now we could get sort of hair plugs for your face.
How about that? No way, I'm not getting no plugs
on my upper lip. It aged you up about fifteen years,
it really did, and give you this sort of authority
that was That was I guess intrinsically sexual that I
think took America by storm. Well, it defined my jawline

(01:04):
because I think it was able to break like the
um shapelessness of it, and then it actually like made
it like, oh it's there. It's like excavated the fucking
thing for all to see, Like it was Jurassic park
like they do. They donite They exhumed your face. Yes,

(01:25):
the fucking mosquito was in the amber all along. It
was startling to watch. I I really really enjoyed it.
An the episode overall was super fun. I thought it
was a really fun episode. I thought, I'm not going
to shade them, but the air audience was bad. Actually
that's not that's not even shade. That's just that's that's
just how it's been these last four shows. We don't
have to talk about it. Well, they were dead during
her monologue, for sure, dead during her monologue, but they

(01:48):
were just I mean, I don't know, Like I don't
know these these crowds. I get it though, like there
it's probably just bizarre them to be there. But they
they know what it is. They signed up for these tickets.
I don't know. I don't. I'm not. I don't mean
to like create drama with the drama with the crowds,
acrimony with the crowds. This is the danger between you
and me and and and the danger that's in these

(02:11):
episodes that are just doing me is that we get
a little too unfiltered. Well, it's because it's us truly
catching up and also I'm about to I'm about to
step into another zone because I am going to get
stoned again. Um, but yeah, absolutely, well that's actually kind
of my life. I actually have to get my lighter
hold on. Can you talk to them for a sight? Yeah? Okay,
so I was considering smoking reader for this one. But um,

(02:33):
I'm holding my eight pen in my hand and I'm
looking at it very re pensively. While I tell you
that I might do it too, I might as well
join in on. I mean, look, Quimby's dead. Okay, yes,
we're We're just kind of like this is gonna be
our memorium for Quimby. No, oh my god, No, does

(02:53):
Quimby deserve the memorium to you? I mean TV the
I I just like, how do you feel? You know,
I've known the writing has been on the wall for
quite some time, That's right, And I just feel like,
I don't know. There's lots of things I would have
maybe done differently on their end, but I'm not I'm
not like I don't know how to run a fucking business.
I like, I don't know anything. But ultimately, end of

(03:14):
the day, I'm happy that they put game show on.
I like, what it is on the on the Quimby app,
but I'm excited to potentially take it out and do
it as an actual half hour show, which I think
is what it is. To me. It's just like feels
jammed into like the seven minute format, And I was
never excited about the seven minute format. I thought it

(03:35):
was going to be more eight to ten minutes stuff,
and then we things ended up getting shorter and shorter,
but it was ten all from the beginning, I of
was supposed to be ten, and that actually felt like
a nice Goldilocks like perfect number. I was excited about
a ten minute thing, and then a lot of the
scripted stuff was able to stay at that length, and
then for whatever reason, the unscripted stuff all got shorter
and shorter, and that to me, I don't love like

(03:56):
to to me. Sometimes I watched some of the some
of the episodes we were doing, and it's just like
they cut all the breaths out, and I'm like, Okay,
this movie this is like moving too fast. So I'm
excited about potentially doing it somewhere else where it can
breathe and I can there can be more of the
relationship stuff with me and Dave and just more of
us having fun and less like it's moving forward. It's
moving forward, it's moving forward, because it just felt manic,

(04:19):
especially like in like an immobile world. Like I guess
maybe we we we would have liked it as like
a as like a large consumer base if we were
actually we're watching it mobile on the go, But then
the world changed and so we were all kind of
watching it on our phones inside our houses during the
second month of the pandemic. I don't know. I feel
like if there, if there was adjusting to be done

(04:41):
to sort of suit that new situation, maybe it was
too late. Um. I feel bad for everyone that works
there that lost their job, because I think everyone took
a big risk to work there, and there's a lot
of amazing people that work there that I'm grateful for
that really cared about our show, and and I like
our show a lot, and I show and uh yeah,

(05:03):
But ultimately it's it's sad whenever anything just fails. But
I will say it's it was hard not to join
it on a lot of the Quimby jokes over the
past seven months because I was trying to be a
company man. Sure you had some liberated tone in your
tweets I saw ever since, ever since the Quimby announcement. Well,

(05:26):
I had to. I had to delete them, you did, yeah,
because Variety like this is was weird. So I tweeted
like a bunch of jokes about Quimby, like it was
I was really kidding. I like the tone of my tweet,
And then like there was this huge paragraph and Variety
that was me being like they were like a game
show host Matt Rogers, and I was a little embarrassed that,
like they were putting this comment from me in Variety

(05:47):
which was like a joke, And I said, I was
excited to take it elsewhere, which I am now that
now that Quimby is not a thing, I'm excited about
the life of the show going forward. But it just
I had ended up having to delete the twee it.
So I guess lesson learned about just tweeting, shooting from
the hip varieties watching I don't think so, honey, Variety
for like pulling like just thinking, like making news out

(06:11):
of people's tweets. I know, I know it sounds normal. Well,
tweets are the public record, I know, but they've done
that with me where it's like they've built a whole
headline around like two things I had written in a day.
I just I'm just annoyed whenever they do that, because
I'm like, oh yeah, because that's how I feel about
it too, where the medium is so stupid and dumb

(06:33):
and like I'm not meant to be taken seriously in
the first place at this point, Like I don't know
who's like really taking Twitter seriously. It's just pure chaos, right,
It's not even like no one's there to like make
a career out of like writing jokes on Twitter. And
it's not like Twitter Bird that was like the peak
of like comedy job hiring, like outlet you know remember

(06:55):
that time, Yeah, when it was like, well, what's their
Twitter following? What's that like? It was kind of felt
like you could get jobs based on Twitter. I think
a lot of people did. Now it's just like Twitter
to me, it's like a zoo with no enclosures. It's
just it's just completely unregulated wild West. Any old fucking
thing can go on, you know what I mean, And
like I could say something on this podcast, and you

(07:15):
could say something on this podcast and no one cares
because you can literally hear in the human voice like
some sort of like knowing this or irony, and on
Twitter you say that same thing and it is a
whole different thing. I just think we live in a
very sick world. But whatever. Literally last week we said,

(07:37):
I said, I'm I'm gonna take the hit on this
if anyone wants to hit us on this. I said,
if Megan mccainn comes on the show and he's able
to charm us and get us to say we actually
like her, that we would kill ourselves. And know everyone,
no one picked that up, no one. If we had
tweeted that, it would have been yeah, forget it, disastrous. Um. Also,

(07:59):
I don't know, just following up on our conversation from
last week, so I don't know if I qualify myself
in a particularly dark place. But it hasn't been like
a good couple of weeks, so so for me, like
since last week, I made the mistake because I hadn't
done this in a while. I was like, I wonder
if people are still engaging on Twitter about like hot dog.
So I searched the hashtag hot dog and there was

(08:21):
this this person said, there's one thing I can't stand
about hot dog, And I'm sure you know what I'm
talking about, and they used the hashtag and I respond,
and I saw the person followed me, and I responded,
it's me, isn't it, And like a bunch of people
liked it, and he goes well, and then there was
replies to the tweet that said is it something that's

(08:42):
easily excitable? And the person replied it thinks it's a
lot funnier than it is, and then someone else, and
then someone else said, yeah, it's mouth could be used
better if it weren't talking like someone Basically, I should
be sucking dick instead of talking, hosting a show whatever.
It's not even that clear because I don't I don't
even know what the funk they're talking about. And it's

(09:04):
those fucking d plus jokes quote unquote you you you
If you said that to Matt's face in the room
and I was there, I would knock your fucking teeth out.
So I engaged. So the guy who did the initial tweet, honestly,
I support you engaging. But yeah, so basically, like, I'm
fully insane right now and at this point in my life,

(09:25):
so I was just like, you know what, I'm gonna
make this person feel really bad. For saying this because
I saw the person followed me and had recently retweeted me,
so so I know that they're like someone who hates me.
So I I literally said, what is it? Is this
me you're talking about? And the person that originally tweeted goes,
l O L No, I'm talking about the fact that, um,

(09:47):
your job is so fun, like I'm so jealous, and
then he hid their all the replies and I said,
l O L at you hiding the replies. I'm fully
in it. I'm fully engaging at this point. So I
got it d M S because I want him to
sort of feel what it would feel like if someone
he targeted online actually saw it. So I said, come on,
that was mean, and he responded and he was like,

(10:08):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry literally quite literally, it's
just because I'm jealous. And I was like, why would you?
I was like, I don't do this, like what is
for anything other than what I'm just trying to have
fun and like to make people smile, Like it's like,
why would you do that? And he he goes, I'm sorry,
it was so stupid. I fell into the trap and

(10:28):
I was like, it is a trap. What trap? What's
the trap that's laid out for someone like them? Though
I don't understand anyway. So I was just like I
felt like I was at that point. We were kind
of on the same page, and I was kind of saying, like,
you know this, this it will make you feel so
much better. It will feel so much better to be
supportive and positive, because like you used the hashtag you wanted.

(10:52):
You wanted this in a way, you wanted it to
be filed away. And he was only apologetic and he
was like, I'll take it down. He took it down,
and honestly, I was ended with us kind of being
He was like, I'm a fan, I liked game show.
I subscribed to Quimby because of it. Like, I don't
know why I did that. I think it was just
like you punched back at the thing you like a
little bit. I was like, okay, that's fine, love you bye.

(11:15):
I don't know what that means. I actually don't. I
reject that apology. I'm so sorry, but that makes zero sense,
but keep going. I was thinking about it, and I
was like, you know what to On some level, everyone
is guilty of this to some extent, Like even last
week on this podcast, I dragged Kristin Stewart. I was like,
she's the most grounded actress because she's not doing anything,

(11:37):
And then I thought to myself, to be honest with you,
it's the same sort of deal. So there's something to
be to be learned from it on a personal level
as now, except you didn't like post that clip to
Twitter and then hashtag. That's the thing is, it's like,
I don't know, like you know, there's this is the
fundamental difference is that that person. We're not all guilty

(11:59):
of this the same level because some it's sometimes you
and I will get to say a caddy thing to
each other and keep it to our fucking selves, Okay,
and I'm sorry that maybe this person in that month
I've you know, I'll talk about, you know, rowing on
Great British Bake Off or whatever, and that's like maybe
the same thing. But I'm not I'm not like hashtag
and g b b oh. I'm not like making sure

(12:20):
it gets filed away in the system of this medium
that like makes it maybe inadvertently seen by someone who's involved.
I don't know, I don't know. Anyway, you were you
were saying something positive I'm like, so on one, I'm
so cranky today. I don't disagree with what you're saying,
but I also think, like when I see that, it's

(12:43):
just like it just puts a little cloud over your day.
Of course, And then I literally said the jol the
other day. I was like, part of me doesn't even
know if I'm cut out for this if on this
say literally it's I said to my church, I know
he's gone through it with like Sonny Side too and etcetera.
Just being out there. It's like it's a lot when
you put yourself out there and people can just make
any old comment, like and you don't know what is

(13:06):
earned and what's not because you're you, you know what
I mean. And we laughed about it, but I it
is like a part of the whole thing. I've literally
been staring at Trick Mirror and I'm afraid to start
reading it because I'm afraid of how deep this all goes,
you know what I mean. To start, she doesn't just
talk about um that. She just she talks about like

(13:27):
the Internet as a concept, which is great, and then
like the rest of the book sort of is in
that neighborhood, but just you'll you'll love it. It's great,
she writes, so well you you you'll really dig it. Reader.
We're sorry for coming in with like a really cantankerous energy,
but I think this is something that is sort of
the theme right now for us because we are kind

(13:48):
of just sitting at home and watching What's What's What's that?
I mean, Anna just said, our producer said. This is
why Phoebe weller Bridge refuses to have social media. She
says she is too sensitive for the critiques. Honestly, I
think it's like it's not natural to be this vulnerable
to critique, you know what I mean? Like the social
media thing is I did so much like that's the
thing as as artists, as people who are doing this,

(14:09):
there's something intrinsic about us that is super sensitive and
like emotional, and so for us to be this sort
of aware of what everyone thinks is not natural and
like people throughout time havn't had to deal with this
aspect of no um. This is what we talked about
in therapy this week, where my impulse to like just

(14:32):
care about what the audience things is rooted in like
this this thing where it's just it's a result of
me like prioritizing um an audience response over my own
like rubric of whether or not I did well. So
like this week at this show, I mean like I
didn't have anything in the show that was mine that
like I wrote, but I was just like I just

(14:54):
tried not to care as much this. I hope this
is like a little incremental step in the right direction
where I was just like, oh, you know, I'm not
gonna like because I still did every now and then,
but like so it's it's all I'm weaning off of it.
But it's like, you know, as long as I feel
like I did well, then that's all that matters. And
it is it. It's it's not as simple as that,
but I feel like that's the right way to go.

(15:15):
And also for me, like growing up and then working
to to sort of pound the pavement in comedy for
a while after college, that whole period was for me,
like me sort of pursuing comedy in a place that
was laden with shame and like people being like, wait,
you want to what, Oh you're a comedian, Okay, got it, Well,

(15:37):
good luck with that, and even like parents being like,
we don't know about this. Um and then for that
to suddenly flip and have it be like the only
source of like accomplishment that I sort of experienced or
like dealt with. That happened so quickly that I am
still catching up to that place and I'm still kind

(15:59):
of working in like a shame world, and so I'm like,
I just want to and like the way that like people,
certain people define shame is that it's like not wanting
to know what people say about you when you're not
in the room, and so I'm kind of like trying
to like swim up against that and be like, but
I want to know what people are saying about me
when I'm not in the room. So I think this

(16:20):
is so reader, thank you for like listening to us
sort of indulge ourselves in this conversation. But I think
it's it's an interesting one to have. It's for me.
It's so like it's this thing that I'm going through,
and it does and it does occupy a lot of
brain space. I think also because of quarantine and not
having a lot else to do, you're able to just
sit in one thing because you're not busy, like to

(16:41):
be like, the only thing I have going on right
now is a lot is nothing because of quarantines, aggressive
taking of the things. Yes, I just want to bring
up one bring it up. This is This is a
little mean, and it is definitely punching down. And I
would I might even have been punching down to that

(17:02):
person who like tweeted it at you who used the
hashtag No I'm not that wasn't no, No, actually no
that's not that's not that way. I have no idea
what to qualify it. And that's why I know it's
something I don't want to deal with anymore. Sure I
I saw someone the other day tweet like, God, it's
I'm all for lgbt Q, I A plus representation and

(17:25):
POC representation. Not an Asian person by the way. But
then they say, it's really disappointing that at bow and
Yang uses like only uses his platform to like perpetuate
stereotypes about his race and his sexuality or whatever. What
is going on? So so for a non Asian person
to be like he's perpetuating stereotypes, like, I'm like, I

(17:45):
don't want you to be the person the arbiter of
what is an Asian stereotype, sir. And then I went
over to his sucking profile and his bio is like
a photographer an a gunkle, And I was like, bitch,
your whole exists is on the nose. If you're gonna
include gunkle in your you can be a gun. I'm

(18:06):
don't perpetuate anything about me, like like stagnating the identity
cause of what being gay is to you, like don't
like who there is. There is something I kind of
hate just about the concept of stereotypical just stereotype as
concept I think is kind of bullshit. Yeah, it's just

(18:30):
first of all, it's actually real culture number eighty three.
You can't be a gun. You can't be gon and criticized.
Cannot be a gun and criticized at all. You're not
in that position. You can be a gay uncle criticism
if you if you self identify as a gun, shut
the funk up. I don't want to hear what you
have to say, uncle, unless it's some sort of new
treat out that's like a gum chocolate. That's what gunkle

(18:54):
sounds like it should be to me. Unless it's that,
I don't want to think about it. Gounles. Okay, she's
arrived at being very stoned. You sound dumb. You sound Um,
I feel bad that we come in with the dark energy,
but isn't it you know, and like, I feel like

(19:15):
it's a thing though we are. I am feeling a
not a depression, but a depression in terms of like
I U, I don't like to be like this. Yes,
you know, maybe it's seasonal and maybe and honestly, the
election is fully now, so that's really what it all is,
just like the doomsday around the whole situation. Like, readers,

(19:35):
maybe we should reach out to you right now and
say this, if you're feeling a malaise and you're feeling
bad and you're feeling like ship, you are not alone.
Let's just say that to to sort of funnel it
into a productive moment. Yes, and we hope you are care.
There you go, you can. I can. I tell you

(19:57):
something that made me happy last night. I felt into
this wormhole, which was watching pop stars and music stars
watch people cover their songs. Oh yeah, I'm familiar with this.
To me, this was a serotonin boost mom like because
watching like the these up and coming artists and singers

(20:20):
like get the criticism from like like some woman getting
a like a positive critique from Christina Aguilera on her
cover of Beautiful. That woman was von Zel Solomon. By
the way, Yeah, it's like von Zell's cover of Beautiful,
and Christina's like Bonzell. It's amazing your riffs or Whitney esque,
You're stunning, like your voice is so effortless and beautiful.

(20:43):
And watching them received that notice from this person they
obviously idolized was heartwarming, and I celebrate. I believe I
think it might have been like, I don't know what
what website it was on, Like I want to say,
Vogue something like that. That's wrong, Vogue. Um sorry, I've

(21:03):
I've I've arrived at being stoned and also tired, and
I don't I was gonna, like make up a fake
website that you would have found that video on. And
all I could do, you know, all you could do
was turn to absolute soup Vogue. I also have you

(21:24):
seen Okay, never mind, I don't want to get shot,
but you know what, you know, I am gonna be shady.
I fell into a seventy three questions wormhole because I
love seven folks. Seventy three questions. I mean, no bitch,
why I will get to more at though? Because we've
both seen and we loved, which the seventy three questions

(21:46):
did you watch? Girl? I found first of all, there's
there's Architectural Digest home tours and there's seventy three questions.
Both of these things are amazing and I want to
shout out the Architectural Digest hometour of Patrick dem See.
I am throbbing for him. He has never looked better
in his life. McDreamy is getting better with age. And

(22:06):
if you want proof, watch the Architectural Digest home tour
of Patrick Dempsey. That man is smoking hot. But volgus
seventy three questions, I unfortunately stumbled upon Neil Patrick Harris
is and I it was, it was. There was some
cringe moments. Oh no, okay, So first of all, let's pause.
Are we are we doing the hashtag hot dog equivalent

(22:30):
of this with Neil Patrick Harress? Do we have to
do this every single time we talk about someone who's
more This is why social media is bad and I'm
I'm gonna bring it back because we even have to
have this discussion because let me say something, as Americans,
as gay Americans, we should be able to say the
Neil Patrick Harris volus seventy di questions, was cringe, that

(22:51):
should be an American bright? So social media getting my
head about about saying that there's a problem. I ra
u is that question? But I think I already know
the answer. It's so it is sort of rhetorical in
a way where I am like, I think that it
is not like literally this is me and my rhetoric
and saying that we're not like kind of crossing her

(23:16):
fingers making sure it gets seen. But but it's because
we secretly like him, like no, that's so warped to me,
I will not get over this person. You you you
you you. If you're listening, I'm going to beat the
ship out of just kidding. We're just continuing the game
where we threatened our listeners. And anyway, it crossed the

(23:37):
line when they said his mouth should be used for
something else other than talking. I was like, I'm sorry.
And then if you're quoting, if you're quoting directly, they
used it pronouns well, I mean just because they were.
They guess they really didn't really want it to be vague.
I don't know about that. It was as soon as
you call someone else and it I'm like you you

(24:00):
that is literally dehumanizing and you should go fuck yourself,
you know what. This is the thing, and like, I
don't have to reserve empathy for every single even as
a socialist who wants human liberation, I don't have to.
I don't have to reserve empathy for every single person
on this planet, especially when they fucking endanger someone else's Okay,

(24:23):
and that is that I might I might be taking
this too far, but that but refer to someone as
an it is a form of endanger ment. Honey, we
have to we have to delete, So we have to delete.
It's so bad. This is it's so bad because guess
we could just be having a whole other discussion. Okay, babe, listen,
do you know what you know what I've done with
the Instagram that I think has helped loads loads, loads

(24:48):
loads on the on the new iOS. So this is
from my iPhone users on the new I o S.
There's a thing called the app library where you can
hide little screens, like you know, certain pages of apps
you can just hide and so it won't chop on
your screen. So I deleted Instagram, but I kept it
in my app library, and then I've turned off notifications
as well, so those are the two things that have

(25:09):
to happen, two important things that each sort of helped
the other. Take it off your home screen and then
um turn notifications off. So that way I have to
like consciously pull down my you know, spotlight search and
then type in Instagram to open it, and then I
only see like, you know, the notifications that have like
accumulated since the last time, and then I see like

(25:31):
a couple d M s maybe, and I'll go, Okay,
this is all manageable, and it's not me constantly constantly,
constantly pacifying myself with this stupid fucking app with pictures.
So that's my little tip to you and to the
reader's Matt to maybe do that. I mean, I've deleted
other apps too. I fully deleted the sex dating app

(25:52):
everyone because it was just so worthless, so worthless, waste
of time. Yeah. I deleted Ryan because I realized I
was like, wait a minute, I only get yeah, you
were having a Ryan moment. Because Nicole Buyer says this too.
It's like that she was on the wait list for
years same. I remember that, and then when she got
on it, I was she was like, oh, I'm not

(26:14):
matching with anybody because it's all burners. Who fucking we're
just burners. I'm sorry anyone who goes to Burning Man,
thank you for listening. Um, but that is like the crowd,
that's like the VI and it's just like so like
and like the music taste on these people. I gotta
shut it down. I'm so sorry that you were still

(26:35):
listening to I can't even make up, but I can't
even make up a band right now, you're still listening
to fucking like um passion Pit. I don't know, but
the thing is exactly no, but we love passion Pit.
But that's it. N it took you a minute, you really,
you were soaring in the air there we were in

(26:55):
and then you not yuck the landing passion Pit and
the one tend that I feel like I'm dating on
Tinder in college again, you know what I mean. It's
like it took me back to that place of like,
let's go grab an I p A. You know what
I mean, Like you literally know what I'm talking about, though,

(27:16):
I absolutely do, And I do know how many I
p s I've drank with men. Oh no, too many,
so many beautiful beautiful voice, your voices, you've never sounded
better you know before. Thank you for saying that. And
I'm really proud of my Zip recruiter hook. Yes, you

(27:36):
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you get the first of all, we all we also
have to talk about the ad choices on Can we
be transparent for a second. We are getting a lot
of feedback that the U. S. Military is sort of
advertising on this podcast. Mama, that's going to be an
I Heart Radio thing and not allows culture is this thing,

(27:59):
but we do we we take enough responsibility to to
flag this to our producers so they can get to
the bottom of what the hell is going on. Apparently
with this military ad, this recruitment ad that you only
do it, but so no one at I Heart knows
how it made it onto the episode. We've told them
in the past that we do not want that kind
of advertising on our on our show. So we're so

(28:22):
sorry that made its way to your ears. Um Our
values do not align with the military industrial complex in
any way. So that there you have it. Oh, so,
just want to say, if ever there's an ad that's
like scary, get a lot of listeners saying there's so
many scary ads on my sculturis that's like the beginning,

(28:44):
like like a very like sort of in depth description
of how a murderer happened. I'm very, very very concerned
about that aspect, and because I want the last cultures,
this listening experience to be, you know, peaceful, even as
we threatened to beat this. If ever our audience feels endangered,

(29:07):
I want that to be very explicitly clear. That's coming
from us, you know what I mean, not exactly exactly, um,
but we but but that's full transparency for you. Matt,
I think was going to bring up how he made
up a jingle for ZIP recruiter that I think is
just beautiful. Oh it's to me, it's it's the new bop.
It's not as good as better help, as better help,

(29:30):
well you know it will be. We're every ways to
be saying. I don't think it's as simple as better help. Yeah,
better help is beautifully simple if you need help better Okay,
So then this is what I wanted to bring up.
I began better help. I actually started doing it. Yes,
peek behind the curtain. Sometimes when we say we've used

(29:50):
things for ads, were lying a peek behind the curtain. No,
I always try out samples if get them. But um,
I started using it and it's weird, like you text
a bunch of the beginning with the with the person,
and I'm like trying to move it to video, but

(30:11):
I feel nervous about moving video dating, and I'm like,
maybe is that like a thing I need to talk
about the fact that I'm like nervous to move this
to video. I don't know. No, I don't think it's
worth talking. I think that's just probably just a procedural
thing with the app. But yeah, I mean I I
would say stick with it until you get to the

(30:32):
video stage, and then even after that, I would say,
like maybe put in two or three sessions unless you
immediately know that it's not going to work, that it's
not I'm kind of like going back and forth about
it because I feel like the questions have been very general,
and I think he forgot one big thing that I
told him, so I was like, I don't know, maybe
I might switch. Yeah, if there are mental health professionals

(31:02):
in the Los Angeles area who can recommend to Matt
Rodgers someone who is doing telehealth UM sessions. And it's
also I was gonna sit outside I mean, I think
that people can go. I think about it though, if
you went over to someone's house and sat in their
backyard six ft away, you know what I mean, if
they have that, I don't know why I picture in

(31:23):
my head therapist living in these gorgeous homes. I'm picturing
like my therapist, like a Martha Stewart's style, like eight
hundred acre home, like like in um Nicole Kidman's seventy
three Questions that a farm, like a farm Tina Phase
office in season two of Kimmi Schmidt, when she plays

(31:45):
a therapist, it's just so gorgeous until she and like,
I'm like, that's like t that's like TV therapist, you know,
it's like like in like a sweater cave. Oh my god,
there Molly's therapist and Insecure, it lives in the most gigantic,
gorgeous house you've ever seen. And I'm just like, I
wonder if that was like a deliberate choice, like walks

(32:10):
regal Lux in the ariest, most naturally lit house I've
ever ever ever ever ever seen, and I want to
live there so badly. Like I know, if I did
therapy in an open room with high ceilings, it would
be an immediate breakthrough. If I'm doing therapy like in
a little box, it might take a while. That's right.
I need to feel. You need to feel the glamour

(32:34):
and the light, the light. It's true. Natural light's very
important to me. It's not something that I always I
just talked about all the time, but natural light's very
important to me. You haven't brought this up and talk
about why natural light is important to you. Oh, I
love it. It's it's I feel more creative when there's
more natural light. Yes, come on, I can't. That's why

(32:55):
New York is like not happening. You're always in like
a like a dim orange light in New York. You
know what I mean. Like the PM times in New
York they're not I know they're not. So it's so cramped,
like every every light feels artificial. That's I guess that's
another reason why I like l A. It's just more
in touch with daylight. Oh, we're about to come up.

(33:16):
We're coming up on daylight savings time. Mother, mother gesture.
I mean this is really going to function up for me.
I oh see, I'm like kind of an election is
gonna The election is gonna happen two days later. I am,
you're gonna see my moods dip even lower if they
haven't bottomed out already, dear moods, is November seven the

(33:40):
last show? Yes? Until yes, getting one in after the election,
one in after the big event. You know that's gonna
be something or yeah, we'll see, we'll see. What was
I gonna bring up? Oh? Um, well, as soon as
you commit to a therapy fist, I will append my

(34:01):
end of the well I was going to bring that up.
The thing is, um, I don't know whether to be
strided on you with this anymore, because I know that
you're in a stressful situation and you need your little
vices so but no, but it is bad for you,
and I do wish for you to stop, Like I
wish that you could, you know, get those vices out
by exercising, you know, like like a fring for a

(34:22):
brief run, or you know, like cooking a meal or
drawing a piece of art, like get your stress out
in one of those healthy ways. But then again, I'm
just like whatever, no, no, no, I I did that that.
I don't want to make excuses for it, and you
should hold me accountable as a friend, I'm holding you accountable.

(34:42):
Then okay, fine, I'm firmly on the other side of it. Now.
If I even hear whispers and I have other contacts
at your job that you've been stepping out to take
a cigarette break, who said this, Reces revealed them. I'm
I mean, I have you know who my sources are,
but I don't know. I don't think they're the ones

(35:02):
that I think are the source. I don't think too hard.
I'm not telling you that she isn't. I'm saying I
can find out. I have the ability to find out.
I'm not saying she said anything. M but I know.
The thing is, the thing about me is it always
gets back to me, and you should fear me, and

(35:24):
you should fear me. I don't understand the people who
say that, you know, there's always been people who've been
like that. I genuinely believe that I always know when
this is happening. Yeah, I'm like, what do you mean?
Like you like weird everywhere? I'm like, are you checking
in with I'm like, what is your system of means
that whenever anyone says that, it means that they are

(35:45):
a huge ship talker. It means that they personally, in
their bones have the impulse to gossip. Oh, yes, that's it,
that's absolutely true. But we're gossips. We're gossips. But we
are we are, we are. There's no but and there's

(36:05):
no reason to qualify it. Yeah. Um, don't tell me nothing.
Don't tell me nothing. Sometimes when you know what we know,
there's there's no other recourse but to gossip. You have
no other option but to gossip. I mean, come on,
spread the word spread. Did you know this a new

(36:26):
clip lash out? I heard. I was the one who
texted the threat. I was like, guys, there's a new
UM and jack Box party pack number seven. We should
organize um a clip lash moment soon or you know what?
Like I actually I am at this point now where
I kind of want to get into video games, like
but I wonder if that would see it would just

(36:47):
be another thing to occupy time with. It isn't social
media while I'm in the house. I agree, if if,
if you subscribe to replacement theory with or just replacement
and as a concept in terms of addiction, because I
do think I feel like I am dealing with this
with an addiction to social media I can very parallel
lines it against my addiction to cigarettes that you have

(37:09):
to you kind of have to replace it with something.
So I feel like this is a great, wonderful, wonderful,
wonderful option for you. And oh my god, you saying
that excites me so much. I think that actually I
haven't said one other thing on the pod that happened,
which is contributing to all this, I think in a
major way, which is that I think I can say this,
Jared and I did break up, But the thing is, like, um,

(37:32):
it wasn't dramatic or anything or weird or anything, but
that is something that that happened, and we're still extremely
close and he was he's literally the best person, but
it still did happen. And sometimes I I don't remind
myself that that's true when I'm like wollowing and whatever,
I'm like, well, this did just happen. So it just happened.

(37:54):
And you have been very human and like emotionally in
touch with yourself and with Jared throughout this whole process,
so of course you're going to be affected by it. Yeah,
just because it just because it wasn't dramatic doesn't mean
that it's not um impactful, you know, also quarantine, just
like because when you're in a relationship and quarantine, that's

(38:17):
like it's the persons in everyday presence in your life.
And so when that changes, it's like it's still tough.
Like I keep my heart keeps going out to like
anyone that's going through a divorce at this time. Like
sometimes I see that Kelly Clarkson is doing so many
things and like she's so everywhere right now, and I
know she's going through that, and I'm just like I
hope that she this is all productive. I'm sure that

(38:40):
being like working um so much is like something that's
really helping her. And like I know she loves her
kids so much, but I my heart just goes out
to her and anyone that's like had a substantial, like
years long relationship that ended because of this, because it
makes the whole thing feel even more Why the fund
did we have to go through this? Frustrate it with
like the fact that there's no leadership, etcetera. This has

(39:04):
to be such a crazy fucking time, such like a
cosmic shift that we went through. Seriously, I know, I know,
I have nothing to add, It's it's just unfortunate. Yeah,
and then I remember, like, I am grateful that I've
gotten to work and stuff. So it's just and you're
working like you're a damn rated. Well, here's here's something

(39:27):
busy as a damn rat. Here's something I want to
bring up because I feel like in some way me
posting about going to work and doing my job is
it might like stir up emotions in certain people, not
in the same justifiable ways it would stir up someone
who would use a hashtag for a show after they whatever.
I can't get over this person, well because because I

(39:47):
saw someone, I saw someone posted this and I don't
know how to feel about this because I can see
I can see both sides of it. Someone posted um
a thing sing that I most I generally agree with,
but they were like um on. I don't remember who,
but it was an actor someone who um someone noting

(40:10):
I don't think, I don't I don't even think they were.
But that doesn't matter. It's not really They posted something
on Instagram that was like, hey, guys, for anyone who's
posting their self tapes right now, just know that it's
really triggering for people who can't find work as as
artists and actors and like really start to ask yourself
who that's for, like blah blah blah blah blah blah.

(40:32):
Is this just like you like trying to like self
indulge or whatever, which is like that's the whole point
of social media in a lot of ways, that's one
function of it. But so I understand that it's triggering
to like, I don't know, flaunt the fact that you're
getting opportunities, but even the audition itself is not an
opportunity and intrinsically but anyway, But then the other side

(40:54):
of it is like who cares. It's like you're you're
not like there's just too much and there's too much.
This is all leading me back, which is there's just
too much. They're like social media is evil, Like if
you feel that I shouldn't have to know that, you
know what I mean? Like as as someone who has
I did it like a bit about a self tape

(41:14):
once and then you're saying, do I have to feel
bad about doing that? Like for me, it's just for me.
Literally everything I post is just to like for people
that follow me to see it, because I think they'd
get like something a kick out of it or whatever
or like or like whatever, like it's not all all
solely for you, you you know what I mean? Like of

(41:35):
course it's part of the disease. Like there's vanity in
the posting of it all and like the sharing of
it all. But not everything is like nefarious, you know,
like and doesn't. I just would hope that people that
are going to say something like that would stop and
think first about why they need to say that, you

(41:56):
know what I mean? Like is that something they need
to say? Yeah? Yeah, kind of. I mean I don't think.
I don't, like, why are you bothered about that? Just
don't follow the person? You know? Sure, sure, that's the
choice you can make. Mm hmmmm. And then the message
that you sent could be in the unfollow of it all.
But people want to get their voice art And I

(42:17):
can't stop thinking about that person, and I actually should
should evict that person from my mind, um because but
they wouldn't. They wouldn't be there if it weren't for
social media. So I don't know, I'm just talking myself
into eventually getting into it all. But can I tell
you something that's also like something I feel. It's like
I can delete social because we have to still promote

(42:38):
the podcast, and I'm like, you know what, people will
find the podcast. That's what I'm saying, You will find
the podcast. And I even had that thought too, where
I'm like, oh, you know, like is this a weird
fixture in my social media? Now I'm not a weird
fixture because this is just something that I'm gonna be
expected to do every single week, um, And I feel

(42:59):
like the people who will listen to it will listen
to it. And I feel like we're even were the
way we get new listeners. Sorry readers were just talking
about like growth right now, But the way we get
new listeners is from like doing other shows and like
being another things. It's not even it's we're not getting
more listeners from the posts, you know what I'm saying.

(43:19):
I think that like there's there's like a weird correlation
I have in my mind with like the existence and
success of things I'm doing with social media. Like I
feel like for me, they're like it's that social media
is important in a way that's not justified, you know
what I mean. I think there's like something playing in
and that's just part of the the addiction of it all.

(43:40):
I don't know. It's so it's so interesting and funny
that we're talking about this, because even in the days
up to recording this episode, I was like, I wonder
if on the podcast I'll bring up that, like I'm
fully addicted to social like like it's so taking over
my life for the past four days. Like that, I
was like, I wonder if that's something I can even
be honest about because it's so embarrassing, how all encompassing

(44:03):
it is. I get why you would be embarrassed by it,
but it's like, for the most part, people our age
are kind of that's what it is in similar neighborhoods,
like in terms of like are the way we engage
with it. We're all kind of like going for that
same dopamine hit for the same reasons just about as
often as anyone else is doing it. Does that make sense?

(44:28):
Like I I felt shameful telling my therapist, Oh, yeah, well,
I do this toxic social media behavior this many times
a day and I check social media this often. And
then that kind of tied into like my whole impulse
around like not caring about how I did in something

(44:48):
or how my work is, like how I self assess
my work because really, as soon as I walk off
stage from my own peace, I'm not thinking about how
I did. I'm not I'm not asking myself, how do
you think you did? I'm going how are they saying?
What are they saying? What they saying? What are you saying? Yeah?
And you know, also, what I'm realizing right now is

(45:09):
the relationship you have with social media actually does replace
relationships that you have with human beings because it's something
It's a relationship that you care about and like invest in.
Like every we're all invested in our relationships with social media,
and it's just weird. And I think says something about
the current time that like I am on social media

(45:33):
caring about that aspect of my life. I think a
lot more than I've talked to our care are actively
caring about real human relationships in my life that actually matter,
are meaningful. And that's when I know that we might
be in a situation here that if you really step
outside of it is not not going anywhere positive. Exactly.

(45:54):
I like face time with Joel Kim Booster for the
first time and in so long last week, and I
was like, oh, yeah, like this is what like the
friendship is it's not like me and him checking in
each on each other's like ends to stories, because even
not just feels cursory and it feels like, Okay, I'm
not gonna remember this like little exchange that we had

(46:16):
in our d MS, like in in two weeks, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like this is like
the FaceTime conversation is substantive. It lives in the memory
of the friendship in a more significant way than like
like a check in over d M is like for
some reason feels like so watered down. I don't know,
in my in my mind. So yeah, but you're right,

(46:38):
it's like we're all invested in in social media as
if it's a friendship, as if it's a relationship in
the same way that like New York is the fifth
character and sex in the City ab so lutely there
and then it's a huge fucking deal. Like it's like
it feels like a breakup in the show when Miranda
fucking goes to Brooklyn, you know what I mean, Like, uh,

(46:58):
like it's a whole thing. Yeah, but it well, she
was really being a jerk about Brooklyn, but then when
she went there, she truly fell in love and Brooklyn
looked so beautiful and so beautiful in the show she
like was in Brooklyn Heights. Brooklyn is fucking gorgeous. It's unbelievable.
It's the most beautiful. It's the most beautiful. Did you

(47:19):
know that? Um? Out of everyone that quote unquote like
is a regular listener of this podcast, Brooklyn is by
far the most listeners are in A yeah, see, we
love we love you Brooklyn, Brooklyn girls, and more people
in Chicago than l A interesting, we love Chicago, we

(47:44):
love the Chicago show. I don't think so honey show
is so fun. Matt wasn't there. I was not there,
but I heard it was great. God posting with Pat
is so fun? Is it not? How'm saying with Pat
is so? I mean, can we just say there is
not a funnier person on this planet then Pat Reagan
absolutely not. I miss him. I see, That's what I'm

(48:05):
talking about. I could be spending this time some of
more of my time, like seeing what the funk is
up with Pat? You know what I mean? Figured Pats
off also Pats figured he's figured it out and he's
he's he's ever been happier. I think I can speak
on his behalf. I love that, And I have to
say also the other thing too, is like I think,
like ultimately this is we've been doing this for a while,

(48:29):
and you forget like what a social life means, you
know what I mean? Like that, especially like when it
was a fixture of our lives for so long, Like
I don't want to be anxious about seeing other people,
you know what I mean? Like I don't want to
feel weird about planning a time like it just the
whole thing is just tough. And see, I don't even

(48:51):
want to and not to bring this back to this
dark darkness in our lives. But I don't want my
social life, for my inner actions to be defined by
intellectual response to what some fucking idiot says on social
media about me, Like I don't want that to take
up any space in mind when you know for sure

(49:14):
that there are people in your life who fill your
who fill it with the opposite of that feeling, and
and it's time you could be spending investing in that
and not this. But unfortunately, you know, like as we
saw in the Social Dilemma on Netflix, the this is
all designed to addict us. You know what, I mean
so and and it is working very well. And that's

(49:36):
what they say in the documentary. I can believe it's
taken us this long and this conversation to bring up
this documentary because it's so spells out. Why is that
there is a design element to this. It is addictive
by nature, and there's ways to get you more and
more addicted that just because we're humans and we are
designed to want and need some things, we think we're

(49:59):
basically slaves to this thing. Yeah, um, I still have
not finished Social Dilema unfortunately, because I maybe have the
same attitude that you have towards trick mirror or I'm like,
I don't I'm not gonna like what I see. Yeah,
it's scary, honestly it's and the thing is I just
have to fucking get over it. But I just know
the Social Dilemma like it pretty much spells it all out.

(50:19):
And if you if it's gonna help anyone step away
from something toxic, and then I really recommend watching it
if you need if you're the kind of person who
needs to be scared, you need to be scared. Freeder.
I'm so sorry I've said this to Math so many times,

(50:39):
but Matt will be obsessed with the essay that she
writes about when she was on this teen reality show.
I'm gonna start reading it right after this. It's the
second one. You're you're gonna love it. Read it tonight, honestly,
please do. And it's it's so good. It's and then
she writes she has one about ecstasy that's so good.
She has one about like Houston, Texas anyway, Um, I

(51:02):
was something that we both have watched, though is borat
subsequent movie film, Wow, yes, now this is I guess
that pretty much the culture of the week. I would
say probably at two. And you know, my initial thoughts
are that it is fucking funny. I definitely thought maybe

(51:24):
it was a little over long. But the star of
it all is miss Maria, who plays his daughter, Maria Bakalova.
I bet I think her name is Oh my god,
so good. She wasnlie. She to me could take over
the world, like she's so brave what she has to do.
Those were some scary situations that those are some scary situations.

(51:45):
And for her to be in that room alone with
I mean, I'm just talking about the interview portion, for
her to like fake that entire interaction, like she was
able to get Rudy to the back of to that
other room. Yeah. I mean, look, he went in a
room with that girl. I understand what a lot of
people are saying about the editing of it all, Like, yes,

(52:08):
was it edited schoppily like that wants to present something
as truth. Yes, But the fact of the matter is,
it's kind of like saying, like, but the stores that
burnt down during the protests for George Floyd, It's like, you, guys,
look at the bigger issue here. He went into a
back room with this girl and it was like lowlights
and like we're touching. It was so inappropriate, and also

(52:29):
he was making an appropriate comments the whole time. Also
not for nothing, but come on, guys, was he really
tucking in his shirt? On tucking your shirt or whatever?
Like the whole thing that he doesn't know enough to
not be in that situation is very scary. He's one
of the most powerful people in America right now, and
that he didn't know enough to not be in a
situation that even could be presented to us like that

(52:50):
in any way is really fucked up. He's a creep.
I'm just amazed by Maria because it's like killed it
because just I don't know just and she like gave
you a convincing performance as like this daughter who wants
to get to know her father, and like that's the
defining relate. It felt like a Cormick mccartheaster. It felt

(53:14):
like the Road. It felt like this father daughter like
traveling together because he's such a genius. He's it's earnest,
he's they're really playing the characters and so it really works.
And it's totally so dead on, like they just killed
it and casting her too, and and like and we
should just talk about maybe the base like reality of

(53:38):
Sasha Baron Cohen's characters, which is that they are all yes,
they are all so offensive, so offensive, and so he
there's there. You can make an argument for all these
characters that he should not be playing these characters. But
but even with Bruno, I'm like, see that's like such
an extreme characature. I love and I think it works.

(54:02):
I think it works. I'm like, you know what, and
he's like actually done as like an actor and a
performer and like whatever, it's like he has like you
can tell he's like a done the work as far
as like knowing who that character is. And I think
he's even done that with Bora, where it's like he
like he learned like Kazak, he like learned like the language,

(54:24):
like to play the I'm not saying that gives him
a pass, but I'm saying it like he is, he's
approaching this in a way that kind of warrants some
some viewing of this. It's also funny. It's like, it's
also so fucking funny, and that doesn't matter, Like you
have to earn these things. If he was out here
doing these things and it was unearned and it wasn't funny,

(54:48):
they would we would we would know. We would sniff
that out right away. Especially in the year, you sniff
that out right away and you're like, oh god, fuck this, dude,
we're not watching this. I fucking love that they turned
the sidekicking guy from the first movie into the cat
into the love seat in the first scene when he
realized his friends there and the penis. I mean, to me,

(55:14):
there's almost nothing funnier than in Bruno when the dick
is swinging around then a little I thought it was
so fucking funny. I mean two seconds and I was laughing,
like just as soon as he said like wa wa
we wah was funny. Unfortunately, they also really they really

(55:36):
earned in the movie why they were able to even
do a second one, because I was thinking, like, oh,
how will they do a second one? He's so famous,
he can't fool anyone, and then they literally just made
that part of the plot, like Bora is very famous.
Everyone knows him, so he's like, I need to just
and then he gets into guise. Oh so I'm sorry,
but it's just the Bora voice thing. It is funny.

(56:00):
I don't know, it's funny. It's so funny, like my
life is funny. Again. My wife has always been funny
to me, and even when people use it ironically, that's
my wife. My wife is comedy, and that's actually really
culture number one hundred and four. My wife is comedy, comedy,
like my mom is so funny. Gene, first of all,

(56:25):
the story book this where about the girl who touches
herself and then get swollen China. It's so funny, it's
so good. And the babysitter what the babysitter will not
keep you from drowning. You need to learn you're a

(56:46):
pretty girl. She was like I was like, oh my god,
this person was genuinely touching and she was concerned and
so funny. But even even to have Marie, I don't
know if it was like Lynell think. I know Lennelle
was in the first one and like she kind of
was like in on it. I don't, I don't don't.
I haven't heard much about this woman. But I feel

(57:07):
like even Maria as the daughter like in the car,
was like playing it so real and grounded, like as
this girl who's like receiving this like this like kind
of attention from someone else that's not her father and
like and like not knowing how to process that. I'm like, wait,
there are like some really like human things to this.

(57:28):
That being said, there were some people on Twitter saying
they were crying about the ending, and I don't think
so honey of that. Like, I don't know about crying.
It's a nice end. It's a heartwarming ending, but ultimately
it's bore at two and we can't be crying. Here's
you know what I But maybe maybe maybe it's like
maybe it's earned. There's some earned emotion because it's like

(57:49):
it's a fourteen year old character at least like from
the first movie to now, it's like they've seen Borat
as a fixture in the culture. I I'm obsessed with Borat.
I love you. Do you remember the when you remember
my ap And this was probably bad of him to do,
but my ap European history teacher told us all to

(58:11):
go see it. He was we were, We were I
think fifteen. Yeah. Dr Fernando was like, you guys have
to check out this movie. I mean you really, you really,
you really shouldn't go, but like it's gonna be funny,
and we were. And then this other guy that taught
the school, who was like the a p U S
teacher was also like egging in on. And so all

(58:33):
my friends in high school um went to go see
it and it was just it was such a cultural
yeah moment, like Borat took over. It was so funny
in a real way and shocking. Jesse David Fox tweeted this,
he was like, my memory of Borat, my memory and

(58:54):
conception of or perception whatever of Borat was. It was
this cultural phenom amenon and this gigantic smash hit success
at the box office, and that made like so much money.
But then actually, if you look at the returns of
that week it made it. It didn't really make too
much money. That's crazy because because it does seem like

(59:17):
it does seem like this monster hit, like he feels
just as he feels almost as culturally relevant as Austin Powers,
which were actually like huge films. And I will say
a big part of me does miss that type of comedy,
like big character comedy, like that's done really well. So
the fact that this is back and people seem to

(59:38):
be responding to it well, it gives me some hope
that maybe we'll see some more character driven stuff going forward,
because when that's done well, it's so fun. It's so fun.
And that's what I'm saying, like, he does this well.
He does it well. Even when the movie is like
a total C plus B B minus, like Bruno, it's
not a great film and it's definite, it just kind

(01:00:00):
of loses it loses the plot a little bit, but
it's sure funny. It's still so funny. I mean, bring
me guests to Know or whatever. One of the guests
to Know girls being like abhorted about him, being like
do we keep it or abort it? And she's like
abhort it? And then when they were talking about how
the fetus needed to lose weight. Like, to me, that
was incredibly funny because he got her to do that

(01:00:24):
and that, and it was a comment on what kind
of play. It's honestly a genius moment in this quote
unquote screenplay because you immediately get like, this is a
town where people will do anything to get on, Like
they will play a game called keep it or abhort it,
which sets the table. What sets the table for his
character so well, and the fact that she's a real

(01:00:46):
person who we many of us watched the reality show about.
It's so insane and genius to him to include genius.
But they are a screen places because the first boar
At was nominated for the Oscar wasn't it was the
screenwriting Oscar. Yeah, let me look this up. Oh yeah,
that would be good to know. There's been so many

(01:01:07):
great comedy films that have not gotten the um the
screens play Oscar nominations merely just because their comedy. I mean,
mean girls should have one. Clueless should be a Screenplay
Award Oscar winner. Oh my god, yes, absolutely, yeah, there's
just been a lot of good good stuff that it
was nominated for. Best Adapted UM. Although but then they

(01:01:27):
departed one of course two seven nine Academy Awards. UM.
That's like, you know what other comedy nomination screenplay I
Love My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Oh my god, Nia. Yeah,
she deserved it and it was such a like cultural phenomenon.
We talked about that that movie almost exclusively on the

(01:01:48):
George Severes episode. That's right, wonderful movie. I love that
nom and also of course Bridesmaids and of course Bridesmaids.
I feel like this was a successful sequel to which
was not going to be a given and I feel like, yes,
like I feel like Sasha Baron Cohen really like stuck
the landing, just in terms of making this work and

(01:02:09):
not like fully questioning its existence or like, I like
it is a different American now, and it is kind
of fun to think about Borat in Trump Country and
what he would respond to. I was also thinking about
how and I don't mean to be an arc here.
I'm not trying to be narky with this, but when
in the film they're like, it's quarantine, we have to

(01:02:29):
shut down, and he likes sort of fully continued, like
in going to places where where he was not like,
you know, in a public health sense, advised to be
with a crew. I was kind of thinking to myself, like,
at what point is it like kind of shitty that
he's still doing this. But then I was really happy
to have the art. But I feel like in the movie,

(01:02:51):
this is a spoiler for anybody who hasn't watched this,
but in the movie when he when like when like
Lockdown starts, he's he just lives with the two men
in their cabin. And then it's implied that weeks and
weeks in Misco because it goes from March, which is
un Lockdown started, to June, which is when that rally
happens where he finds his daughter again. EL say, there's

(01:03:13):
there's some spoilers. So it's it's implied that Sasha Baron
Cohen as Borat lived in this house with the crew
and these two men for three months, which does not
add up to me. And I feel like maybe those
men were actors. Yeah, I don't want a nark either,
but and that shouldn't take away from the sort of
art that is bor It makes it even more brave.

(01:03:33):
Really exactly, Oh, they were not actors and he lived
with them for five days. Hot executive producer Anna says, Okay, interesting,
do you remember in Bruno this the orgy thing? When
he was in that orgy in Bruno when pretending to
be straight like there was, he literally had infiltrated a

(01:03:53):
real orgy. And then he keeps trying to like have
sex with that one guy and and he's like, pussy,
why would I suck you when I could suck And
then the woman's like, he's suing pussy. He would like
he wants it, doesn't want you, he wants pussy. Okay,
he wants my pussy. There's on the dirtiest mantress on

(01:04:14):
the literally, and then he gets the ship beat out
of him by that blood lady. I don't know. To me,
it's like pretty, where is the oscars for him? No?
Bell Price. I think he is so. I think he's
so genius. Did you ever see The Dictator? I actually

(01:04:37):
have not seen The Dictator because I was a little burnt.
I was a little burnt out on North Korea comedy
at the time. I feel like it was right after
the James franco on, right before it was before really yeah,
it was before, but it was him and it was
like um, Jason Manzoo, guess I thought it was great.
I thought it was I thought it was pretty fun too.
It's not like his best and it was entirely scripted, right,

(01:05:00):
that was entirely scripted, and it was not shot like
a like a mocumentary or like right right, right, Oh
my god. I just also, bor At bor At nude
to me is not funny because it's like he's like,
he's a good body, Sasha Baronne has like like a
hot bod. Do you think I think a little bit. Yeah.
I don't see him sexually, but I appreciate that many do.

(01:05:22):
I count myself among the people who see him sexually fit.
Maybe maybe it's just I can't because the only ever
time you see him nude pretty much as in the
boar At outfits. So maybe it's just the outfit not
being super flattering that's taking it away from me. I
would love to see him fully nude, is what I'm saying.
Take off the little thing, get naked only fans, Get

(01:05:44):
only fans. I now subscribed to three only fans. Final
thoughts on bore At two. I felt like it was
important for us to talk about this. Final thoughts on
board at two our Sasha Baron Cohen Icon Maria Young
actress to watch Yes to Me honestly shows like Margot
Robbie level promise and potential, but with but with a

(01:06:08):
more explicitly comedy angle, which is dangerous and we should
be looking out for her. And she's Bulgarian, Bulgarian actress.
Well she's a breaking worldwide Yes, yes, and I would
say a great piece of comedy, though a dad over long. Yeah,
it was longer than the first, which I thought was

(01:06:29):
in movies are too long, and that's actually a real
culture number nineteen movies are too long. But you know,
that's just it's a critique I have with everything amazing
that he was able to get that Giuliani moment and like,
have it released the week it did, and have it
be a like a true Capital s story that dominated

(01:06:49):
the news. Did you read the Caroline Giuliani Peace, I
did not read the Caroline Guliani piece. I heard it.
I heard it was lovely and she, you know, is
on the right side of things, rocks. But it's like God,
like the Ron Paul thing and Bruno is so fucking
wild and like that was nuts. That was not that
was like he was like sexually assaulting. Wrong, that was

(01:07:12):
exactly what that was. I'm really happy you brought it up,
because I would hate to not mention that that is true.
Like that was nuts, but it was the last But
I couldn't even stop RuPaul, so like the whole thing
is too much. But the punchline ultimately did make me

(01:07:34):
this fall on the ground. Oh, I couldn't even stop RuPaul.
I love Bruno so much, and this is the thing
readers like, thank you for meeting us where we're at
right now, and we love you very much. And I
think that we are not alone here. And everyone's kind
of like Jesus Christ the election general general um panic

(01:07:57):
about the existence of us all going forward? What is happening?
So we're there too anyway, So a big old general.
I don't think, so honey to everything. But um, let's
move into the segment and begin with I don't think
so honey, I do have one. I have a have
a premise. Okay, interesting, um, this is Matt's premise based

(01:08:24):
I don't think, so honey. Okay, maybe it's not a premise.
I'd have an idea for I don't think so honey. Okay,
this is Matt, I don't think so, honey, And it's
time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Mitch McConnell
being purple, um, he looks dead to me. I have
been to open casket wakes, seeing people in caskets there

(01:08:49):
that look more alive than Miss McConnell. What is going on?
It literally looks like a curse is keeping him alive.
There's something deeply going on there. And if we're gonna
harp and we win in America on the Age of
Biden and consistently dig into this thing of he's old,
he's old, he's old, he's seen, he's seen. What exactly

(01:09:09):
is going on with your girl, Mitch? Then, because that
looks haunted, That looks hunted, like the hunt, all the hunt,
all the houses that aren't haunted because of quarantine. Right
now are the haunts are all going to Mr McConnell
and keeping him alive. Chances darn Barney, the Dinah store,
Darn Barney, the Dinosaore is not as purple as this bitch.

(01:09:32):
I don't think so, honey, that color and that's one minute.
Barney the dinosaur, Darn Barney, the dinahsas Barney, darn Barney
the dinosaur parentheses Matt and bow and get too high
again for real. This time Matt and Bowing are high
and tired. No, we can't do Tired culture. Tired culture.

(01:09:58):
You were that. You know what you talked about the
traveling last week that I forgot to bring up you
are king of I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I'm
so tired. I am tired culture. The moment I knew
culture was for me, the culture that maybe say cultures
for me was being tired. Tired culture. That's a little

(01:10:20):
culture number forty six, Bowen is tired culture. You know
you actually are the most alive culture of the moment.
So enjoy it, a bitch. So is it time? It's
time for me? God? Okay, Bowen, do you have something
that you're thinking of that you could do a premise? Um?

(01:10:45):
I do? I do? Yeah? Okay, yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Okay,
here we go. This is boone. I don't think so
Honey's time sharts now. I don't think so Honey, Bacon,
egg and cheese. You are ruining. I asked so much.
I why am I eating you every single day? You're
what's keeping me in this bad, bad bad dietary cycle.

(01:11:09):
It's another look. I have a third addiction. Everybody ready
to hear it? B ec. Okay, b ec is my
third addiction, worse than a cigarettes because at least there's
no fucking pork fat in it. Okay you you are
you listening to me? There's no pork fact work fat
and processed cheese product um, baconic and cheese. You're You're

(01:11:31):
the most delicious thing in the world. And I can't.
I wish I knew how to quit you. In the
words of Jake, where was it Heath, It was Jake.
It was Jake. It was Jake. And I pray that
one day you lose your status as in your constitution.
I know that Bodiga is thrive on it, but it's
really killing our children's and ur in Ore and me

(01:11:53):
and you're bowen Yang's and that's one minute. It's killing
our children's and our bowen yangs. That's actually a lotal
culture number four prety forty bacon, bacon, egg and cheese.
It's killing children. And you know, for me, it's sausage
and cheese. You're a sausage queen. And to quote Pat,

(01:12:15):
that's just what works for me and my family. That's
just what works works for me my family. I feel
like bacon, if you're a bacon person, that's bottom culture.
If you're a sausage person, that's top culture. Yeah, to me,
that makes a lot more sense, um, because bacon is
sort of like stylized and cute and there's like a twist.
And sausages just like me and I have them at

(01:12:40):
Starbucks every day when I get my get this, don't
get too hard. Pumpkin spice, cold brew, Um, pumpkin spice cream,
cold brew and cream, sausage, chicken, cheese on. What I
think is like I don't know, like a on a on,
a on, a croissant, bun, croissant, I don't forget what

(01:13:03):
it is like it's like a English muffin. I guess
the thing. Anyway, where are we at right now in
the discourse with pumpkin spice. I feel like it's the
backlash to the backlash or the backlash or the backlash
or whatever is social media comment culture. No, no, no, no, no,
I don't don't know, because I'm saying like the fact
that it's generally the fact that we can't just enjoy
pumpkin spice. I know, but I'm saying, like a year

(01:13:26):
after year it seems to like swing the other way
where it's like, Okay, this year we like it, and
I'm like and I'm like, well, guess what, I've always
enjoyed it. Just fine. I'm not I'm not fanatic about it.
I think every now and then I'll be like, oh,
it's a crisp day in October, I'll have a pumpkin
spice something. You know what. It's very good and that's

(01:13:48):
why it's popular. And you can't not like the good
thing just because a lot of people like it. Like,
what yet, depriving yourself? Come out of the shadows, darling.
We're drinking pumpkin spice. Come join. We're all in the
park drinking pumpkin spice. You can join, You're invited to join.
Why wouldn't you? Why do you want to be amongst

(01:14:11):
the shadows? Why do you want to be amongst the shadows?
This is such a good performance. God, you're such a
You're such a talented orator. You really are you feel
this way? I of course I do, Matt. I feel
I'm what I feel u SELESSA Matt? You are so

(01:14:35):
you really are a light. I think about you at
work in my despair, and I smile. I go, oh, Matt,
I couldn't believe yesterday when I was smiling up at
the TV beaming at Bowe and Yang on Saturday Night Live.
I sometimes just be watching live. I did watch live
last night. Oh my god, So you were watching when
I was on when I was literally watching while you
were on stage, and I was like, this is live television.

(01:14:57):
That's both cute, that's fun. Was it fun to sit
next to Adalla the sketch? It was so fun. She
was so wonderful. I I just think she's the best,
and I just I'm I. I feel so honored that
I got to share it. I got to even share

(01:15:19):
a frame with her, even even a good nights. I
wanted so badly there to be a big surprise that
she was going to do a song, but then I
was like, she's clearly not ready. I think she's very
she's very precious about her work, which is her right,
and she has every right to be p Yeah, that's
what I'm saying. Like her work is so the bar

(01:15:40):
is so high, can you imagine, Like that's it's so crazy,
Like she's had literally could it's unprecedented success with her
last two albums, Like you have to give her time
to feel good and comfortable with what she's gonna output
these any of these artists who are releasing music, it's like,
remember like when She's She's she said that she had

(01:16:03):
a whole different album recorded for twenty five but then
Rick Rubin listened to it and was like me, probably
you could release this if you wanted to, but I
don't think you'd be proud of it. And she was like, Okay, well,
I'm gonna re record everything and write completely new songs.
Like you have these like huge people like weighing in,
which is like both good and bad. I'm sure it's
like so stressful, but to have If Rick Rubin was like,
you should probably think about doing this again, I'd be

(01:16:25):
like absolutely, but then it'd be like, I better make
sure it meets a standard that Rick Rubin has said
because he appreciates my work or whatever that, whatever their
relationship is. I'm like, that's something that like is that
we kind of take for granted in in terms of
how these artists navigate their their new work. It's like, oh, yeah,
you have so many stakeholders in this, which is maybe

(01:16:47):
not the best thing, but also at the same time,
it's like you have to think about that rubric constantly. Yeah,
I don't know, and they're dealing with everything we're talking
about two on the biggest level, Like, right, we've talked
about how you know when Adele kind of released that
photo of her after her weight loss, like the way
everyone in the world has something to say about it, Like,

(01:17:08):
that's not a normal situation for someone to be at
the center of. So she needs the emotional space to
be able to create not only just creates what I
meaning to say, but also exists in the public eye
in that way. Again, you know what I mean Like that,
it's it's it's you need a lot of time to
prepare for something like that, I would imagine, right right right,

(01:17:30):
So you gotta let her fly. You gotta be oh
my god, but literally her like singing her song and
she sounds fucking album quality, I'm like, and she makes
it look so easy and it just comes out of
her effortlessly. Yes, I'm sure it takes effort, but she

(01:17:51):
makes it look so well. She's a sucking star. And
I mean like she she is like like an uncommon
breed of star. She looks stunning, she sounds gorgeous. Actually,
the one and only time I've seen Adel alive was
at SNL. Henry and I went and sat in the
studio and saw her saying hello, and when we were young,
we were crying. I mean, she's so beautiful and pure

(01:18:14):
to watch perform live and it just feels like such
a moment, and her songs are so good that, um,
she's just she really is that star level. She's something else. Yeah,
And even like her, like at the read through reading
all these scripts, like some of them cold, I'm assuming
like was so she's a great read, a great performer,
has great timing. It's like, oh my god, like you're

(01:18:36):
you kind of are like the full packet. I don't know,
I I just I think she's so. I was a
fan of hers before, but like now I feel like
she um just for to even have like the curiosity
and like the um the attitude of like I mean
is I've always wanted to kind of host, so why
not do it? I'm like, that's great, Like I I

(01:18:58):
don't know, I think that's that's cool. And I thought
she had a great show, a lot of great sketches
um from our writers that were very suited to her anyway.
And you got to shake your little bond Bob. I
got to shake my little bomb bomb. Yes, that was fun,
which actually reminds me of a song. Um, And usually

(01:19:20):
how we end episodes is with a song. Do you
feel prepared to do that? You want to put any
imparting with words of wisdom onto our very good readers,
I think, UM, don't use any hashtags if you want
to say something shitty about anybody exactly and let us
know what you thought of Bore at two. Actually, maybe don't.

(01:19:42):
I'm I'm I've been doing too much reading. I should
actually focus on books and not you know, d M
because I see if I put something out there well,
the fact that the fact that you can either choose
to when you when you think of reading, it's like
books and d ms. I actually have been reading too
much lately, but it's been d M s. I'm gonna
switched back to books. It's time that I'm it's it's

(01:20:04):
time that I could be using to read a book.
And I'm reading this great book right now. Oh my god,
I'm reading this book by Ted Chang. It's called excellation
is short stories. He's the guy who wrote the short
story that Arrival is based on, and so it's just wonderful,
like really super like cerebral, like just in terms of
like they make you think he's like sci fi stories.
She is. He has one that's set in like an

(01:20:24):
Arabian nights tail within a tail like set up, and
it's about time travel and it blew my fucking mind
and loving it. You should read Trick Mirror. Um. So, anyway,
my message to everybody, to the readers is to literally, hello, read,
let's read more books. I already feel like a more,
a better person who does not need to check my
phone all the time because I want to finish this

(01:20:46):
book I'm reading that I'm enjoying. I read more, you
know what. I was just thinking to myself, what that, um,
we should do a spooky episode for Halloween. But then
I realized that that would be this episode. So I
guess spooky and we can do another spooky episode. I

(01:21:08):
think it'll be too late, Oh, then that will release
on event. I think this episode has been a little spooky. October. Wait,
what was the song from hocus Pocus that could be
the one that takes us out no better optop. I'll

(01:21:31):
put a spin on you when you can get I
don't know the words, but it's the worst. And now
you're good. You can tell she was playing seven or
like fifteen. It was that, but that was it. That

(01:21:51):
was it. She was so good in that role. But
that character was written in a way that was like
when she knows a little too much about sex for
a seven year old. But anyway, rubber she wist in
every age. Rule of Culture number nine five five

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