"Neighborbanged!" (w/ Josie Totah)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look man, oh, I see you. Why and look over there?
How is that culture? Yes, goodness, dingdal culture. And how
is Charlotte, North Carolina treating the girl? You know, I
am loving the breweries. I think that's what it's most

(00:22):
famous for. You know, you know what it is. It's
a banking town, which is a bummer. I know not
everyone here is a banker, but like it really prides
itself on being like a bank town. And I'm like, oh,
that explains a lot. This is not to poopoo on Charlotte.
It's only to poopoo on banks. Well, I'm just saying
banks are not the club. It's actually rotal culture number
forty two. Banks are not the club. Banks are not

(00:44):
the club. And therefore you have to go to the
breweries sort of get your kicks. So what sort of brewis?
Are we sort of ingested when we get through we
in I p a type of girl? Are we some
sort of like amber l type of bitch? Are we
that kind of sort of cranky Pilsner type? Tell me
bow girl. All I know is like in the summer,
I like to drink a blue moon or a fat

(01:04):
tire and Queen, I guess I like I don't know beers.
And this is actually, this is actually the thing about
Matt is that you're be're a beer gay, which is
so so dissonant to me. It's really jarring even for me. Well,
I mean, the sort of bibliography on my life is
I sort of came up serving tables, you know, like

(01:28):
just like cloppy punching the clock and you know, getting
my apron on. And then I would deal in the
market of beer. I would deal in hops. And so
I worked in an Irish beer bar downtown, way downtown,
the financial district with the best clientele who often worked
at say it with me, banks, banks, which are not

(01:49):
the club, which are not the club, but sometimes the
way those fucking dudes would come in for lunch, you'd
think they were going back to the club, because these
men would get absolutely wasted during long during the week
and then go back and run our banks. So just
know that I am a primary source and I was
down there in the financial district watching these men get

(02:10):
wasted and going back to run our banks. I'm sorry,
I got political. And this was supposed to be a
fun conversation about hops. No, it's okay, really quickly, let's
just go over a couple of items of business. Yeah,
Frank Ocean is selling dollar cock rings. What golden diamonds?
Did you hear about this? Frank Ocean is selling dollar
cock rings, but they're they're heck sagonal, They're a hexagon,

(02:33):
but there's it's so it's really chic. But unfortunately, I'm like,
how do I don't know how to feel about it?
I have a question. Who does he think his clientele is?
Who does he think his clientele is that they can
afford rich fags? I thought it was everybody, but apparently
he's like zeering in on like a type of luxury consumer.
And I'm like, oh, this is not the Frank Ocean.

(02:53):
You knew, this is not the girl I knew. No,
Frank Ocean shouldn't be a luxury brand. Is a shek name.
His brand is Homer, which I'm also like viral. I
don't know. I don't think I like it like Simpsons
in fashion, Like that's like come on, I know, And
I might not be a Simpsons reference necessarily. It might
be like, Okay, he loves the Iliad. It's like you
gotta I don't know, home home Simpsons in fashion, it's

(03:15):
like we we've reached a fever pitch. I love that
you know that I'm a Simpsons gay. If you're a
beer gay, then I'm a Simpsons gay. But I think
like we're like ever every fashion brand has a Simpsons
motif in it. Now, which do they really? I love?
But I feel like, let's Frank Ocean is ahead of
the curve. And this is the one moment where I'm like,
wait a minute, I feel like you're a follower. Do

(03:35):
you know what I'm saying? I love him to death.
I wish him the best. I wish him the best
in all of his endeavors. I'm just saying like, there's
something about a dollar cockering that rubs me the wrong way,
maybe even literally, because if you're thinking about what that's
made of to make it dollars, I'm thinking that feels
painful or uncomfortable to sensations that during gay sex we

(03:57):
don't necessarily need more of an Another thing is like,
then what happens if it gets like luby, What happens
if it gets like like I don't know, A lot happens.
Is a lot of like action happening during sex, like
a dollar sex like accessory. I just don't know. A
cock ring is supposed to you're supposed to be able
to like control the compression at the base or whatever,

(04:21):
and like it's it's this is jewelry, Like it's not
like this is assuming a lot about someone's someone's like
ball size. I don't know. We can't get into it,
but you know what, And it's not even like we
can get it to try it because neither of us
are going to pay for it. No, but if he's
gonna sell cock ring, I'm gonna sell like fifty dollar
viagra hills. Like that's it's basically the same function. You know.

(04:42):
It's like you don't want that to be your brand
though this helps me get hard and it costs too
much money. That's I don't know that that's what's going on.
I'm sorry you don't know your clients that I don't.
Frank and I are the same person. Now I'll tell
you who our client tellers. Her name is Katie. She's
twenty eight years old, she lives outside of Chicago. She
has a communications degree, and we are her gay best friends.

(05:05):
That's what our client tells. Okay, yeah, and we've we've
embraced it, you know. Okay, speaking of alcohol earlier. Our
guest just celebrated a huge birthday, twenty Absolute one, twenty
Absolute one. It's giving Adele. It's giving Adele's best album. Sorry, okay,
well let's not go there, but I think she turned

(05:26):
Tony one in in a crazy place, not a crazy place,
in a hopeless place. Oh my god, we love that song. Okay,
but she just heard twenty one. She just talked about
birthdays as a concept on her new podcast coming out
on Cricket Media with Darren Dare we say with her friends, yes,
mean Hammy and Alicia Pascal Painia, who plays Aida and

(05:47):
Saved by the Belt, which our guest stars and is
truly such a fucking star in. That's the truth. I
can't wait to talk about Saved by the Bell with her.
She We met her at the Critics Choice Awards where
she was nominated and fucking like, absolutely ridiculous that she
didn't win. Your friend Molly Shannon was nominated. Our guest
was nominated in category It was a stacked It was

(06:07):
a stacked category. And actually I actually happened to be
wearing my the other two season to sweatshirt today. Actually,
oh my god, and our guest was in another Chris
Kelly project, other people, other people. I mean, this has
been a long time coming. We love her so much.
I mean this was a sort of thing where it
was like it's been a long time coming, getting our

(06:29):
guests on the pod. And the fact is that we
finally locked her down and she's in fucking Scotland where
she'll be for months filming a drama. And that is
how I want. That's the energy I want this episode.
I wanted to feel Scottish drama vibes and it starts now. Everyone,
please love them into your ears, Josie Josia already Scottish vibes.

(06:58):
It's like chill American Scottish energy. I feel like I
was having a stroke, Like I wanted to speak so
much but I couldn't. I'm so happy to like produce
words out of my mouth listening we're happy to I'm
so happy, We're so happy we're producing words. I'm so
happy that Frank Ocean is like so delirious. I want
to be. I want to be at that level of

(07:19):
delirium where I can sell I guess you know the things.
The thing is just like I don't I don't doubt
that he will sell those cock rings. But that to
me feels like, you know, he could make cock rings
for the people, and then that could really be his thing,
luxury cock rings. I'm like, not only do I think
they're impractical, but I don't think it's like I don't know,

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but here we are talking about it, and isn't that
what this whole tale feeds on talk talk True? So true?
Happy birthday, Happy belated, thank you? How did you celebrate?
So I I forced, like my two best friends from
l A to fly six thousand miles for heere and
so with with my cast and the two of them,

(08:05):
we just you know, went to the party capital of
the world, Atinburgh, and of course and had had an
amazing just like British time. Incredible but can I confront
you incredible but I know you've drunk, underage, I know it,

(08:25):
oh of course and criminals criminal of course. You know.
It's so funny because I so I went to college, um,
and I just graduated like a week before, thank you, um,
a week before I came to Scotland, and so like
I never was twenty one in college. And so by

(08:48):
the way, if you I'm not even just saying this
for like you know, to sound like I'm like a
good person who didn't have like a childhood alcohol disorder
like most child actors do. Like I just didn't. I
never really enjoyed drinking. I just loved being in like
the environment, Like I always loved being in the club.
So yeah, I like forced my sister to um like

(09:08):
give me her old idea and but so then now
it's like it's seeped into other things. It's not just
getting into clubs, like now that I'm twenty one, like
I can use my own idea, but I like use
triple A through her. I d I like rent cars
now through her, Like we basically share in insurance and
like legally on paper, I'm half of my sister's life.
So like that's not even something that's going to change now. Yeah,

(09:31):
this is a great movie plot, Like the time between
you turn twenty one and those four years are so important,
that's what that's when you're gonna feel so connected to
your sister before you can rent a car at twenty five,
like because otherwise you're like you're in some ways the
same person. But you were saying on your podcast that
you guys don't look alike and so the fake doesn't work.
We don't look nothing alike, and that's not because of

(09:52):
a surgeon's misdoing. Um, we've had the exact same work done. Now,
Um we don't really look at I look more like
my dad and she looks more like my my mother. Ish, yeah,
I look yeah, I look like like I'm like a
squeezed and much taller, like I'm a pulled out version

(10:13):
of her. My sister's hands are like they're like miniature,
They're like tiny paws. They can fit into a quarter
of my palms. Small hands are I'm sorry they freaked
me out. I'm just saying small hands are some of
the scariest things. I love playing with her fingers. It's
like a little toy. It's like a free toy. She's

(10:34):
about to turn thirty in October. Stop growing, that's just
how big. Yeah. Oh no, they're done their hands. Your
hands stopped growing at twenty eight. That's what they say.
What they say, Oh my gosh, that is what it's written.
It's it's actually Bible. Were you were you drinking at
the critics Choice? No, you were being good? No, I was.

(10:54):
I was so scared. I was so I have never
not wanted to like to to like when not that
I ever thought there was a possibility of of me
being able to like win that, but like I have
never felt such like I was just producing so much
negativity leading up to when they were saying my category,
and I looked to my dad and I was like,

(11:15):
I will ship myself and throw up if this goes
the other way. So I was praying. I was obviously
praying that like it was obviously someone else, which I
knew it was going to be. And my mom was like,
are you going to write a speech? And I was like, no,
that's so stupid. Why would why the why would I
write a speech? Um? But that's like the worst feeling.
Why do people like going to work shows? They're like

(11:36):
kind of awful? Well we were. That's the thing is
that that we were looking over at you and you
obviously weren't drinking, and we were like, can you imagine
having to sit through all this with no help from alcohol?
Because it really she was long and it was like
a mask. It was like a six. It was really long.
It was and we had a great time, but it

(11:57):
was long. But the thing is, though, like you got
obviously we're nominated so can you, but probably I don't know.
You felt like you were not going to win, and
Bowen kept saying, I'm not gonna win, I'm not gonna win.
But I was feeling like, Bowen, you might win, I'm
not going to win. No, no, no, okay, it's very nice.
But I think, but I think what Josie is talking

(12:19):
about is this thing that I think we've talked about,
which is that like you obviously know that, like it's
it's not in the realm of possibility, and then something
happens when you're sitting there in the room, right, and
it's like, but what right? I need to look this up.
I need to read a book about this. But the
phrase the addiction to possibility is like applies to so

(12:42):
many areas of everyone's life. I feel like I have that.
That's so interesting that title of app title of episode.
We all have ability. Wow, this is crazy. What's so
explain that comes? It comes into crazy time? Well, I
feel like it's self explanatory. It's like we are like

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before you go on a vacation. I'm sure just you
felt this before you went to Scotland, even though you're like,
oh god, it's like a month long shoe in a
different country, Like it'll be hard work, but it might
be exciting, it might be all these things I'm gonna
celebrate my birthday there. I mean, we all have this
crazy concept of like like an image of what noutcome
might be or what thing will be as an experience,

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and then we love that. That's basically it. We fantasize that.
The problem is and I think this is what forces
people to like stay in bad habits, is that we
can only think of possibilities with the information that we have,
which is past experiences, and so you know, we can't
sort of dictate what's in front of us objectively because

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we can only pull from things that we've experienced, we've
heard people experience, and I think that gives people like roadblocks,
gives me, gives me, yeah, especially in a situation like that,
when it's like when you find league get to sit
at an award show like that, it's like your only
experience with that most of the time is like having
watched them on TV or like understanding what it's like

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when someone goes up there and wins and then you're
there and it's like you don't just magically appear during
your category and you look stunning when they cut to
you as one of the nominees and it's this tense
moment and someone wins and then everyone's like oh, clapping
and thank god, and then you move on with your life.
It's like no, you sit there the entire time. They
do not feed your asses. The alcohol is flowing. People
are usually making jerks of themselves, either on stage or off.

(14:32):
It's a horny little town that gets weirder as the
night goes on. And then afterwards you leave and you're like, wow,
that was demystified for me. And I don't know if
it was positive or negative, but I know I experienced
it right, and I honestly I think a niche sort
of um experience that many people cannot relate to is

(14:53):
which was the most horrifying experience or one of one
of one of the most during that night was like
the cameraman after I lost, Like everyone everyone has like
a camera on that when they're saying the nominees, and
then like just the way he just like threw it
down immediately, like he's like it's like the way it

(15:14):
like pushed in and I felt like I was having
my moment and then like just the it was like disappointment,
but like he it was like expected disappointment. Like the
look on this man's I was just like of course,
and it's just like through the camera and didn't even
try to like keep it up for like a mill
second longer. Like that to me was horrifying, chilling, chilling.

(15:35):
You had our votes, you had our credit, you were
our critics choice, you really were thinks. And but by
the way, I was like I was so so honored,
and they were so nice, and yeah, it was a
lovely time. And well, speaking of which, so we we
we we we instantly like locked in on you. We
were like, oh my god, Josie's next to us. We
hit it off. Do you what was your memory of

(15:57):
your tablemates? I think Joshua Jackson and Jody Turner Smith.
Do you remember do you remember what that vibe was?
I remember that like I didn't recognize Christians. Later and
he like tried sitting in my dad's seat, and I
fully like just so I was so anxious that I
was like extremely rude and was like that's my dad's seat,

(16:18):
Like that's my dad's Christians either, And he looked at
me like a little confused, and he was like oh,
and I was like, yeah, sorry, and then I just
thought he was like someone's guest. And then my dad
was like, why the fund did you just speak to
Christians later like that? And I was like, wow, I
haven't seen him in a moment, Well you're not watch Duff.

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But I loved Jody. I loved their relationship. There so healthy. Yeah,
they're so healthy and horny. It was healthy horny. They
were on top of each other. I love how she
just gave no fun like people were like giving like
emotional speeches and she was just like what the fuck? Huh.
She was like that doesn't make sense. And I'm like,

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you're speaking in a normal voice. That doesn't make sense.
And your table is close to the stage. We were like,
but what I will say? That doesn't make There's so
many tidbits from this night, honestly, but one tidbitt my
dad was sitting next to Venus Williams during the whole
m J Champion speech. Yeah, and so he he was

(17:27):
so obsessed with the fact that he got to see
like the look on her face and like the confusion
and that whole moment, which was so awkward. She's yeah,
I just you just wanted a sort of kicker, right right.
I actually I actually missed that part because we got
so fucking drunk that at one point we got up

(17:47):
and like went to go hop knob and I left
my phone somewhere. So at that point I was fully
standing up looking around that ballroom, like where's my phone?
Like my Darcy Carton sent a video of me just
like up out of my seat while they're accepting me award,
just like looking in the boom. My god, you don't realize,
like it's probably good that you couldn't drink, because you

(18:07):
don't realize just how drunk you'll get if you allow
yourself to go there, especially when you're nervous, like and
I was nervous for a bell. I was like, what
are we doing here? There's so many there's so much
going on. You got tanked. There was a lot going on.
It's so it was so strange, and like, yeah there was.
I mean I was like running into like Kirsten Dunston
Jesse Clemens outside of the bathroom, who also like I

(18:29):
don't know if I should say this, because if people
know where I live, then they could like hunt them.
But they're like my neighbors randomly and they're like and
so they were like talking about parties that I had
in high school that they had heard through the fence.
Oh my god, yes, it was so so. I hit
on Andrew Garfield at the after party, and I failed miserably,

(18:53):
so many moments, so many moments which, by the way,
I regretfully you hit on it, like, I would never
hit on that man again because I just thought, he's
not my vibe. He's not your vibe. Really, No, I
feel like the more that I like read into him,
he seems like a nice person, but like I feel
like he deserves he deserves someone else. I had a choice. No,

(19:15):
I think I think that it was in your hands.
I think had you just gone over there and been like, listen,
this has happening tonight, I think that maybe Andrew Garfield
would have been charmed slash horned up. I think he
was a little too charmed throughout the night. But like,
basically what happened was we were at the after party
and I went up to him because he was hanging
out with like my little friends that I had made

(19:36):
that night. It was it was there a first time
also being nominated and I was like, I like your
jacket because he has like a Sparkley jacket, right, just
like a real till really easy, and he was like
really because I feel like it's giving dancing with the Stars.
But by the way he said it's he said he
was the phrase it's giving, which I was like. I
was like, okay, because this is giving something else. It's given.

(20:01):
It's giving Shawn Mendez giving share and so I was like,
I was like no, no, no, like you're um like
that's like way below your tax bracket. And I was like,
but you could, like you would look good at anything, um,
so you don't have to worry, and he was like, right,
right right, and so I was like, okay, I'm getting
points here. And then he asked me. He was like,

(20:25):
so like what do you do? And um, this is
one like like you would expect me to be like
I'm an actor or like I was nominated. I didn't
do a bit. I was honest. But I looked at
him dead in the eye and it was just like
I'm a student because it was I wasn't line because

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it was so nervous that he had asked me that
all I could say was that I was a student
because because I am in college. He looked at me,
face a jar, truly confused, and I was like, how
is that going for you? And again you would think
that I would that would be like, well, I'm also
an actor and I'm also nominated tonight, but but I

(21:14):
doubled down and was just like, I didn't want to
say those words, but I was like, if I just
insinuate that I'm an actor, So I just said like, um,
while I'm here, and he looked at me and was
like he looked at me and it was like, I
don't think that means what you think that means. And
I was like, what is that mean? I was so confused.

(21:37):
Oh no, no, I hate when I hate when things
go off the rail. He went totally off the rails
and then he walked away from me, and I was
just like, why did I tell him that? But I
did see him at the glaud of words, and I
did tell him that, and he was he very kindly
and UM told me with with great confidence that he
had no idea who I was and didn't remember that um.

(21:59):
But he was also he was laughing at the fact
that I told him I was a student. So it's
been made. It's been since made up. It's been made.
And now the next time you see him you can
just go over to him and like flirt with him
for real and like gotten number all these times we
started together. Anyway, let's go to bring because I'm old
enough to do that now. So anyways, exactly, But that's
my Garfield story. We all have one. We all have one.

(22:22):
The groundwork has been laid though for I think Matt's
right for future interactions where like, you know, it's it's
cute and fun. Wait, who are your other friends? Quote
little friends that you made that night who were also nominated?
Was it the Yellow was it Yellow Jackets people? Well,
actually one of the girls from Yellow Jackets, Sammy Um,
she goes with Samantha now because she's an adult. Samantha
Hannon Rannie I've known for like over ten years. So good.

(22:46):
She's amazing. I met her like when I first moved
to l A and we took our first very acting
class together and we were very excited to be there together.
And then there was another it was like a wolf brother.
I think his name is nap Wolf. It was really nice. Yeah,
it is saved by the Bell your first maybe not

(23:08):
your first, but is that like one of your first
jobs where you got to hang with people in your
age cohort and like your age group where because I
feel like you've been in a lot of stuff where
it's like you've had to play opposite like full grown adults. Yeah,
and I imagine as as as someone growing up in
the industry, you're like, I kind of want to hang
out with like people my age. Is that fair hundred percent?

(23:29):
I mean when I was on Glee, I like assumed
I would be with high school aged people because I
was fourteen years old. But I was with like thirty
eight year olds who are from the oldest people in
America who plays in America. It was the oldest people
had ever seen. They were like thirty. It's like it
was like, it's not even like people that are like, yeah,

(23:50):
they're old to play high schools. It's like hard adults
with hard adult problems, like having a hard adult contract.
It's like and then they're like, we get to get
to class. I was just so confused, like what, like
why did when it came to casting my character, did
they decide they wanted to cast a child? Like true?
I was I was truly like thirteen years old, and

(24:13):
when I was cast and like put opposite these these
thirty year old old novelist, right and EMILEA Michelle who
was who was a wonderful journey um but Lilia of
it Allen and I are going to see her in
Funny Girl. I mean she's she's that'll be very gonna

(24:36):
tear it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah of course. But anyway,
so yeah, so when we got to say by the
Bell Um, I was so lucky, especially because I had
shot a movie just before that and I became really
close friends with this girl, Alicia. It was a film
called Moxie, And while we were filming that movie, I
realized that she had um been auditioning per se by

(24:57):
the Bell and I met with Tracy Wigfield, who had
the idea to bring it back like this summer before.
But I was I wasn't planning on doing it um
because I like had just for the very first time,
which now looking back, it sounds so stupid that I
was like I'm saying no to this. See where the
Bell reboo, But like it was the very first time

(25:17):
in my entire life I ever could just be myself
and be in school and I realized that I had
spent the past almost decade just dressing up as like
someone else and being on set all day and then
neither having these like imperative moments that like make your
young adult life like what it's supposed to be or

(25:39):
your team life. And then like I just kept getting
closer with her, and then I remember, like the day
that she booked it, I like was I was like
crying for her, and that was like one of the
final straws um that helped me realize, like I should
probably this is a sign that I should probably like
do this, and obviously with the role in tracyemings so amazing,

(26:01):
and so I said yes. And we ended on a
Friday of that movie, and we had our first day
of read that Monday. I got to be with her
for two and a half years straight, and then she
ended up moving in with me, and that was I
didn't realize that at Lasia had been like on this
journey with you through multiple stages. And then and then

(26:21):
does she go to Chapman too or did she go
she didn't go to chim And we joked that she
like kind of like did because our best friends to
me and who's doing the podcast with Lucia and I
is my best friend from college. Um associated honestly Saved
by the Bell was it was so it was such
like a joy to watch because it really was not

(26:43):
what anyone thought it was going to be. I think
people probably thought, probably maybe even what you thought when
you heard, oh, you're being offered to Save by the
Bell reboot, it's like, oh, is it going to be
not to you know, not in the pejorative even I
don't even say this, but like corny like the original
one was in that is it going to be after
school specialists or what's going on? And then you hear
Tracy Wigfield and probably gets to know her, and then

(27:05):
maybe even see a script and you're like, oh my god,
this is real jokes. It's hard jokes. It's self aware,
very self aware, like the characters are interesting and funny.
Like that had to be like a pretty cool thing
to like understand that it was going to play to
the top of intelligence instead of like being for kids. Yeah,
so cool. I think that's such a testament to how

(27:29):
smart Tracy is, and I think we never really doubted
that because I mean, she went from being like a
writer assistant on thirty Rock to winning the Emmy for
writing remember that year. Yeah, she's like just so intelligent
and wonderful, and looking back, I'm like, why wouldn't I
have done that? I mean, to this day is the

(27:49):
best role I've ever played. It's the best writing. And
I'm you know you guys, I'm sure familiar with some
of the writers Um on that show that Chrish like
her and yeah, um and some of those writer most
of them like Ben and Aaron Um Geary that I

(28:09):
said that, like they're married. I don't know Ben's Um.
They're like they're two straight men who I'm like wanting
to I want them to be UM. But I've known
them for like seven years, so these people or or
now seven years, but like at the time, it was
like five years, so they knew exactly how I spoke
or um, like what would sound the best coming out

(28:31):
of my mouth. So I just had the best material
to work with. M You're so fucking good in it,
Like just the deliveries are so so sharp. I mean,
the character of Lexei too is just like so well developed.
I think it's a testament to you being a producer
on the show and giving it some real, some some

(28:51):
reality to like what being like a trans student at
a high school might be like in this day and
age in a way that it's not like it it
is not disempowered, Like Lexi is a very fun, comfortable,
confident person, but then she still has these moments like
in this in this in this recent season where she
is I'm reticent to be this like poster child for

(29:13):
like trans identity when this transigent another school gets kicked
off the soccer team, Like I thought that was so genius,
Like it's not that, like it's not this expected narrative
of like, oh well then Lexi would react to like
this very predictable way in in in the container of
like an after school special from the eighties and like
the old Saved by the belderation. I just think it's

(29:34):
such I mean, Tracy is a genius and it's so
fun that you get to play like the Jeta Maroni
type of person. And like a thirty Rock DNA show,
you know, like now like every show since thirty Rock
that's done through Tina and and Robert and Tracy and
you know all these people, Like that lineage is so essential,

(29:55):
Like I don't remember, like this is my favorite kind
of comedy. I don't know, I was truly just so lucky,
and I mean I would just die laughing, and I
don't think I realized, like how how exactly like he
always I knew that I was really lucky in those moments,
but like looking back now being on other projects, and

(30:15):
like I was truly just given like a giant like
juicy delicious cake to just bite off of every single day,
and there was never a moment where I didn't have
genuine fun. And I think that's why. I think that
reflected in that character too, And I don't think I'll

(30:37):
ever play a character like that in that way again, um,
which is sort of sad, but also I feel like
that was very healing for me because I think as
a child, that character is that is like the one
that I aspired to to be, or that type of
like aspirational girl character that I think a lot of
like queer people can relate to. I feel like we

(31:00):
look we look up to like you know, the Britney
Spears of the Mall or Regina George, but Regina exactly, um,
like the clueless, and so it was very like self
fulfilling prophecy and that is how I genuinely speak in
my head. I just like I can't say that out
loud without getting like physically abused by someone on the street.

(31:31):
So we mentioned aspiring from childhood, which sort of brings
us to our centerpiece question of this podcast, which was
Jolie Tota, what is the culture that made you say
culture is for you? This is the formative pop culture
in your life that you can look back and be like,
oh yeah, that sort of made me. That's sort of
made me me. I mean there's so many things. I

(31:55):
think definitely every single pack in edition of this SIMS game.
Oh here we go. Yeah, Like true, are you a
SIMS fan? I would lose. This is what I would
spend my summers doing, Like in full on high school,
when I like I could have a social life, I
would play the SIMS to for nine hours straight. Um

(32:17):
literally same. I like had glued my eyes to a
PC that I bought just to play SIMS. I had
the Katy Perry pack, like the Candy Land pack or whatever,
and then I had like the college dorm one. I
had every single pack and like just getting to create
my own world and kill people, like back when that

(32:38):
was like the fun thing to do and like wasn't bad,
like didn't kill him in a bad way. It was
like you'd set the house on fire or something. It
was just like it was really liberating and just like
getting to give people a pregnant and it was like
so fun. The fact that you had the Katy Perry
pack is so funny because it's when when I was

(32:59):
playing sim was it was like you get the Evril
Levine pack that it was like that sounds so fun.
I feel like she made a comeback. They need to
do anotherad do that again. I was more of a
roller coaster tycoon, a little gay, but like it was,
the SIMS was major, and I remember the cheat code

(33:19):
you could put in what was it like a ton
of money rose but you could type rose butt into
the top right corner or whatever, and you'd get so
much money and you'd be able to make like Mick mansions,
which if you look back, pretty much every mansion you
made with all that unlimited money it was the same
as the one you made before. You couldn't ignore your
own taste. But it never stopped being fun. Now it

(33:43):
was so fun and I think just being a young
child who just like drink like dreamt so much about
what I wish my life was like and whatever, like
I would live that life through the SIM And for
that I think them. I think of them. I wonder if,
like in twenty years, like you know how people say,
like there are certain signs of a psychopath, if being

(34:07):
addicted to playing the sims is like a major will
become a major sign in the Well, we didn't looking back.
She did burn a lot of her sims alive. I
felt empowering, like I feel like that might just happen. Yeah, Well,
what I would do is that this is this is
truly crazy. But I would trap them in the bath.

(34:28):
I would trap them in a room like I would
I would take the doors off the room and they
would like hold their like genitals and they had to
piece so bad, and then they would they just pissed themselves.
They would fold to the ground, piss themselves and then
remember when they would have shame turn into an urn.
Shame shame was such a thing. Or when they would
faint from being too tired or not keeping fed. Yeah,

(34:52):
that was insane. This is yeah, this is like what
war criminals used to have fun. I don't think the
way we're talking about it. It just it's very soapy, right,
You're like you would get like like Josie were like,
I would get these people pregnant. I would like I
would always like have I would always have people cheat
on each other like it was. It's it's It helped

(35:13):
me like develop like creativity in terms of like a
storytelling instinct to be like, oh, well, now this person
is gonna do this. I think that's definitely a major factor.
I really I think that a sign of a psychopath
is maybe that I just remembered the word rosebud was
the cheat code? Did either of you remember that it
was rosebud? Because that like that lives in But honestly,

(35:36):
it's like, you know, like the secretary senor brain when
they go through the filing cabinets and they find something
and you're like, oh my god, not that's still bad.
How did you find that? Like, I don't know what
what the fact, I must have been much more obsessed
than I thought. But I'm telling you I was one
of those like boring kids that didn't use the expansion packs.
I couldn't like figure them out, so I was just
on the sims to like constantly like rosebudding making a

(35:59):
man and then have the same like leopard print Lisa
na floor, like just ridiculous, like going nowhere with my
design aesthetic, like definitely tacky, buying the biggest phase I
could and then just killing them inside a million percent. Well,
there's still a SIMS culture. There's still like a SIMS
culture that's going on. Oh for sure. I think it's

(36:21):
like the younger Jenny. Yeah, like the preteens are really
into it. I think it's younger and younger as time
goes on. What is it now? Like, like how is
it evolved? SIMS for and now you can play on
your phone, which is crazy because I never got to
do that. Yeah that feels that a wheel day to
play on your phone. Yeah, it feels wrong. There's something

(36:43):
about like uploading it and like putting it in, turning
the computer on and like really getting in, really waiting
for to love you see life. Oh my gosh, wow, PCs.
They really did reign supreme. They were like the dinosaurs
of the time. They really were before Matt came in,
Like there were something that ruled the earth and they
were I'm also bad for them because like they're just

(37:04):
so they're ugly. They're just like naturally ugly. And I
could say that because I'm in an Apple series now,
so I'm I've lost all sense of partnerships. Now that
you're on an Apple series, you can really be Yeah,
I can't really share my true veelings, although weirdly, like
they haven't given me anything, like oh that's a shame.

(37:28):
Oh it's so weird. I'm like, why do we work
for you? Actually, when the new iPhone comes out in
a month, you should tell your people through the Apple reps, like, hey,
give me a free iPhone. I'm gonna throw on my
phone into the fucking Scottish river. The day that comes out,
I'm having to say that it fell out of my
hand due to the violent wind, and I'm going to

(37:53):
demand a new phone. Can announce it. It's a it's
an Apple series. I think it's called The Buccaneers um
and it is about h hundreds you guys. It's about
five girls who come to England from New York um

(38:18):
to like find find husbands. But then like obviously ship
goes down and they all have their own whatever intentions
and um objectives. And I play a very character that
is like extremely against the type of person that you
would see portrayed in those times, if that makes any

(38:39):
sense at all. But it's not a transcharactor. It's not
a transparactor. But I just mean, like, my journey is
very antithetical to like the types of UM stories that
we've seen, which is called for me, it's called the Buccaneers,
which means like strong it means cowboy, but pirate basically, basically,

(39:04):
basically I went to high school in our mascot was
the Buccaneers, and I was like, oh, it means gay pirate.
I thought it was gay cowboy. It doesn't really mean
gay pirate. But a buccaneer is a pirate, and that's
essentially and probably why they called it that is because
you guys did like go across the ocean to get
to this new place, right, we did do that, And
I have always felt that a buccaneer was away for

(39:24):
a pirate to be like is he you know? You
know what I mean? They called them right, it's a
gay word for pirate. I feel I love that and
I think that I should tell them that, and they should.
They're going to change the series, yeah, man, and I
can play gay pirates if they made someone I really can't.

(39:45):
We would that would help us, honestly, But this is
the thing on this show. You know, I'm so used
to walking on a set and just being mentally fucking psycho,
and this is a normal show with like normal people
who aren't pitching fart jokes and like a monk calling you,

(40:05):
like breaking his valid silence to call you a count.
Like those are the types of things that like people
are saying on this type of show. So I'm fully
like I have to reel it in and then I
go home and night and I write or I call
um Tracy Wigfield. We have like weekly calls and I
get to like show my energy that way, but not

(40:27):
for it's giving buttoned up, it's giving drama. It's giving
like an actual actor, which he that's fun. We knew,
we knew all along. Well, I feel like, I guess
Matt and I have not done enough, have not done
any drama. So I feel like the vibe must be
completely different from a comedy set work. As you say,

(40:50):
you get to go on and be mentally fucking crazy. Yeah,
and it works and it's helpful and people love it.
It's so helpful and like everyone it's weird too, because
like on a comedy sid you obviously don't just have
like writers whatever you have like everyone that's involved in
the crew. But because these people have done like The
Office and thirty Rock and Mindy Project, like everyone understands

(41:11):
like a like a joke structure and like the boom
op will be like we'll laugh in the right way
or like we'll understand something or like well, get you
something randomly, or like when you when you get a
laugh out of like your camera operator, like it means
so much more to you than then like your writer
telling you that that that joke landed well or something,
and that energy doesn't exist there. It's still so fun

(41:33):
and like I still love being on set, but it's
definitely like an adjustment. Yeah, I always wonder about that
because even like the like sometimes you do a project
and like it'll like the comedy will be there, but
it's not necessarily laugh out loud on set just because
of the type of comedy it is, like probably First
Saved by the Bell, there was a lot of laughter
because it's a lot of hard jokes, whereas like in

(41:56):
in other things, like for example, when we shot the
movie Fire Island, like it was definitely a comedy, but
like the crew was not cracking up because it wasn't
that type of comedy. Then with with the drama, it's like,
especially someone coming from comedy who's for better or worse,
a little bit used to that type of affirmation. After
you do a take, you do it, and then it's

(42:18):
a drama and you leave the scene and you're like, well, fuck,
was it anything? Was it good at all? Like quantify it? Yeah?
And then like, honestly, like what I've learned with older
people I've worked with and people more experience, have just
been like, you have to know, they would not period
point blank, they would not have moved on if they
didn't get it. You did just keep going. You're you

(42:39):
won't kill yourself at the end of the day or
at the end of a job. If you just let
yourself off the hook. If they if they got it,
they moved on, You're fine a thousand percent. And I
love that you mentioned Fire because you guys have stroked
my ego so much and I haven't gone to tell
you how much I loved and watching that film and
how smart it was and how talented you both are.

(42:59):
And also obviously um Bo and I've told you how
much of a fan I am of you, UM with
UM S and now and like I was, I've also
been watching I Love That for you recently I just
got into I'm I'm not kidding, like I just got
into and you are so amazing and that I feel
like there's a world where I could play at like
a forty year old anchor on that show somehow, even

(43:22):
as my age. Now that's like a goal of yes,
you have to come on and sell products on the show.
I mean now, I literally I can sell Frank Ocean
cock ring. Yes you'd absolutely crush No, but you are.
You're so funny. And I love Molly Shannon and I

(43:43):
worked with her when I was younger and just recently
saw her at an engagement party and not mine, UM,
this young woman's and she was just so wonderful and
I love her. She is like she you know what's
funny about Molly is like everyone always wants to know
she's like and as you know, this is true. And
I got to introduce UM bowing to her at that

(44:04):
award show. Um, she's exactly the same as you think
she's gonna be. Like her energy is just so like
funny and positive and very like energetic, and I just
love watching her get ready to to do her thing.
Like it probably was really interesting working on the film
that you worked on with her because she was playing

(44:25):
a totally different thing, and I think other people like
really broke her open for everyone as being like more
of a dramatic actress, which now I think people understand
and and I love that for you. She's got a
lot of dramatic moments and we've seen like white Lotus
and stuff where she's funny, but it's more there's like
a hef to it. But like watching her prepare herself,

(44:47):
she really is like it's not like this goofy energy
that you think, oh snl like comedian, Like we've seen
her page to a table. She's like really a capital
a actress and it's very like inspiring to see like
someone who obviously doesn't take themselves seriously and it's like
gone for it with sketch comedy, but also can drop
in and do that other thing a thousand percent. She

(45:10):
is so wonderfully talented and definitely goes against the tropes
of like what you might expect of her in that regard,
and more importantly, she's just so wonderfully humble and kind.
And I remember in that movie Other People, I had
like two scenes and she went on like um Jimmy
Fallon and she had like shouted me out. She shouted

(45:32):
the whole cast out, but like said my name also,
and it was like Bradley Whitford, like who else was
like mod Apataw, Jesse Plummins and then she just said
my name and I was like, what the funk? Why
did how do you know my name? Because she she
goes out of her way to find the names of
people that she loves, Like she she texted me and
she was like, what was the name of that comedian

(45:53):
that I did the scene with? I thought she was amazing,
And she was talking about Martha Kelly Um who's now
got an Emmy nominated from Euphoria and she comes on
the show and I love that for you as Molly's astrologer,
and it's just so funny. And Molly followed up with
me and was like, I need you to give me
her email or phone number because I need to reach

(46:13):
out to her and tell her how much I loved
her performance. Like that's just who she is. She's just
a godsend and amazing and I love her, And what
an amazing moment that you guys were category mates, Like
you guys were in the same kind, which is crazy.
That was like six years later. I go from being
in two scenes of a film starring my idol and

(46:34):
then you know, suddenly I'm in the same category as her.
That was just so right. I don't think I'll ever
process on until I'm like out of work when I'm fifty,
I'm dreaming of being a child again. You were unbelievable
in that movie, though, I mean, like it's truly like
it's like if you remember like two or three things

(46:55):
from it, like years later after watching it, like you
are lodged in the brain, like you're so good. I
think about that film. It's so funny. I have never
really told us publicly before, but when I filmed that scene,
I had like it was we were in the middle
of the summer and it was Santa Karita. It was
like a hundred and six degrees outside and there was
no You can't put on air conditioning when you're obviously filming,
as you you know, because of the noise, and I

(47:18):
fully had a heat stroke and like nearly my pants
and Naomi Scott, wife and just an amazing person um
of Adam Scott was producing the film along with Adam,
and it was just so kind to me and was
like I like barely. I basically nearly fainted during the
turking scene, and so we broke for lunch an hour early,

(47:41):
and they let me take a shower in the house
this like random like arabianbasque house, middle class home that
we were filming at. And I like really got into
the middle class. Um not I am? I wasn't. I
really got into this middle class home, this woman's life
in this middle class home. Um. And I like put

(48:04):
on her robe like the owner of this house, this
robe and her slippers, and like I just got to
chill in her rocking chair for like a tight thirty
and ate some Chinese food and then was able to
recover and finish the tarking slay the gig. The fact
that you remember these details, it's the fact that I
sounded like Kim Kardashion when she did that middle classes.

(48:26):
Did you guys see that it was like middle class?
So you guys will be obsessed with this. No, she
did an editorial photos shoot that wasn't released with Kanye West,
where they were in a middle like an upper middle
class at home, but it was like middle class core
and like there was like tile counter tops and like
wooden cabinets and like at just like a living spaces.

(48:51):
It's kind of iconic if you haven't seen it. An
editorial of like them at West Delman being like this
is too expensive, right, I'm like having a hushed conversation
about a six snday dollar couch beyond like thank you anyway, Yeah, wait,
you guys want to know something? This is quick aside,

(49:13):
I feel so grounded because I have I have maybe
a taste that's beyond my means sometimes. But I did
go to the mall here in Charlotte, North Carolina to
buy an outfit for an under the Sea prom which
Meg's dalter through last night, and I was like, I
need to buy something with like fish on it. And
I went to you didn't know still existed, went to

(49:34):
Dillards and then I went to Dillards and I looked
at some priced tats for like a shirt and disgusting
shirt with a fish print on it. Looked at it.
It was eighty dollars and I went, I'm not spending
eighty dollars on this, and then I feel like my
mind and Dillard's reminds me of my mom. But anyway,
I was like, wow, I I have not flown too

(49:55):
far from the nest. I have not really straight from
the path too much. Because I was like, you know what,
that wasn't because the eighty dollars was too much, because
it was too much exactly you would pay for a
nice shirt. You pay for nice. But then I did
find a set that costs thirty dollars total, and I
was like, wow, I got a great bargain and I
really like the way it looks, and I'm gonna I'm

(50:16):
not gonna, you know, I'm not. I'm gonna. I'm gonna
take it home with me like I felt. And this
is disgusting to most of our listeners, to the readers,
but I'm like, okay, I do it. Felt nice and
I want to return to that. That's all I'm saying.
This is the most unrelatable thing. Yeah, this isn't insane.
We needed. We're gonna have to do another um like

(50:37):
podcast with you to save your reputation. After that, I'm
gonna get shot to the ground. But I want to say,
I'm financially like an extremely unintelligent spender, like I will
unfortunately unethically religiously shop clothes only on a song, like

(51:00):
I don't I don't think it's okay to like spend
more than fifty dollars for like a shirt. But like
that being said, I will, like I will cancel like
three flights in a row and spend like several thousands
of dollars just because I'm like so lazy and or
likes something, so like that's where my money goes. It's
not like on things that matter. It's like convenience that

(51:21):
I mean, I actually am in the same exact boat
as you. It's like I was just thinking to myself,
like where what's the area where I sink the most
money that I probably don't need to And it for
me it is travel, like I think, I think just
because now I I like to travel a certain way.
But that being said, that's the one I'm most cognizant of.
If I actually like sat here and like did the math.

(51:43):
How much I've spent on Postmates over the last few years,
especially over the last five years because of the pandemic.
My Postmates number is probably humiliated. I probably should go
to jail for it. Oh my god. Same, I would
post me like when I was in college. I would
like film Monday, Wednesday and Friday all day and and

(52:03):
then on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I would be in class
for twelve hours a day and I would postmate breakfast, lunch,
and dinner into my lecture halls. And I was it
was like a a young woman's salary in Iowa. Was
my like postman's. But there was no other way you
could have done like you need like you had such
a crazy life, and we're sort of like ethic around

(52:25):
like like whatever, like that's that structure that was built
around your job and your school and your academics were
like there was no other way but for you to
order delivery. That's true. Thank you for substantiating that. Where
did you go to college and what was your major? Chapman? Right?
I went to Chapman. Yeah, I went Chapman, and I
was um. I was a television major, same major in

(52:46):
same school as Hannah Wattingham, who was also nominated in
my category. And you also referred to me as Rosie
when I met her Rosie today, I was truly Am Rosie.
The rumor has it that she's going to be Madam

(53:07):
Marble in the Wicked movie. Well, she'll be amazing, and
anything she does, she'll be amazing. I can hear her
going officially, I mean, what a great rule. You should
go out for it. No, okay, as we all No,
never mind, I want to say that now we we
That's what the honest Jokie, Josie. Now you've graduated, can

(53:31):
you have you reflected on your college experience at all?
What was it? What are the big takeaways? What was
it like for you? And this this is true. You
did greek life, you were in a sorority. I did.
I was talk about it. I did. Was the trauma

(53:53):
that just rushed through my mind? You know, I have
such an interesting it really is like a film to
be made, which was that when I started school. I
think I did what a lot of people do when
they start college, which is like, what is the life
that I want? How do I want to make this
life for myself? You know, it's like the addiction of

(54:14):
the possibility, and you're doing everything that you think you
should be doing to have a good experience, and you're
hanging out with you know, those people that that you've
been told through like the media or like friends in
the past, like that's what you do to enjoy life.
And I'm actually so grateful for it because I met
my best friend in the entire world. You mean, who's

(54:36):
my co host of of dare we say? Through the
sorority um. But I also had like like a miniature,
um microcosmic experience of like what I think a lot
of people and like not equating what I did in
my stority to like what senators do on like a
legislative floor, but in that like you can't really adjust

(55:01):
and like change something that's like working how it's supposed
to be working. And I very much went into it
which was like I'm gonna make sorority is good, and
I'm gonna like diversify and like whatever and use that
as a pastime and then realize, like even if everybody
wants to make sororities good or whatever that means, or

(55:22):
like change the systemic oppression that it's so rooted in,
it's still built in a system to oppress and it
will always do that. So that was the journey that
I went on with that, But I also had so
many fun parties and like metatanical people. That's great, but
it is sad to realize, like, oh, it's maybe sororities
are supposed to be not good. I think so, and

(55:46):
like I'm happy that I did it. I like, it's
so it's crazy now because I truly had an ego
death my like my last semester of school, where like
I realized, I just I wanted to do every single
thing that I didn't. I think a lot of people
do every single thing that I didn't get to do
up until that point that I would have wanted to

(56:07):
do if I didn't have like my blinders on telling
me like what I needed to do. And that was
like invest in the film school and like I took
another Arabic class, I took a political science class, and
I just had like the most amazing time every weekend
being on a film set and like I was, you know,

(56:27):
obviously filming like not real TV show, but like a
TV show that existed on a on a network on
it like and then also doing like um, being a
grip on like a student film on the weekends at
the same time and running right forth. And that was
such an amazing experience. And that was like my favorite
probably that's so cool. Yeah, great, that is. It's like

(56:50):
it's like really a good excuse to get like at
least still not not necessarily well rounded, because I feel
like that happens when you get in the industry, and
you already were in the industry, so it probably was
like even like a better opportunity for you to see
like having been involved in the industry, here are the
holes where I would want to, like, you know, have

(57:10):
this experience or that experience. And then I guess it
ended up, you know, with you being a grip for sure,
which was insane. Um that was truly unhinged. It was
like I was doing like an F forty five workout
that like never ended, and it was like boot camp,
and like my my grip guy was like making making

(57:34):
like jokes about like chicks to me, like as if
I was like assist a man. He was like, you're
not gay, and I was like no, I'm just like
I'm just scripping for to help out and like OK, no,
I'm just scripping the help scripping. What was your grip
out fit? What would you wear? What would you wear

(57:55):
to where? What? What is colloquially referred to as a
lue lemon BBL jacket UM, which is like exactly it is,
and um on TikTok and then um like like a
little a line legging um just like a cute sneak.

(58:17):
It's giving soccer, it's getting big little lies. It's giving
like soccer mom in Monterey. And I also had COVID
the entire time that I was a grip on that project,
and I had no idea. I had not when I
kept testing negative and then I tested positive, but I

(58:38):
didn't infect anyone given. Isn't that amazing. It's like sometimes
like I will feel horrible and I'm like, I have COVID,
I know it, and then everyone really will have and
I'll test test test tested. I went to like what
I found out later was a super spread straight wedding
last month, and I felt like horror bowl during it.

(59:01):
After it, like I was just like, what's going on?
I took a million tests, never said it was COVID,
and and now I just have to keep living my
life like I didn't have it again. But I'm like weird.
It's also weird to like it seems like before everyone
like test positive for COVID, they managed to see like
every single person they've ever met, like the hours leading

(59:23):
off to it, Like I truly I went on a
world tour before I tested positive. I like filmed an
entire short film. I went to an after party for
my castmates film. I saw my parents, I saw my siblings. Um,
I like went to class. I went to several classes
like unmasked, there was no mass mandate and like no,

(59:44):
I texted every single person, And it's just it's such
a testament to like how we've evolved in the pandemic.
I like put everyone in one of my classes in
a group chat and was like, hey, um, just like
wanted to like fully let you guys know full disclosure.
I did test pause different COVID. I know, I was
sitting next to you guys, like, please let me know
if I need to pay for any COVID tests or

(01:00:05):
like any if I need to call someone for you, UM,
hit me up at any time, like xl x L.
She was like to pay for tests, Oh my god.
Like one person responded and was like l O l okay,
like and then no one else responded, Like it was
as if I had just just said absolutely nothing to them,

(01:00:27):
like I had spoke gray matter and they didn't give
a fuck, And I just confessed my soul to them.
Well yeah, that's what you were very vulnerable, and they
did not return it in kind. That's they didn't care.
They didn't care. Well, okay, was my my have a
stupid question, which is was was Disneyland like a big

(01:00:48):
part of going to Chapman or no? Because you guys
are close to Anaheim. I thought it was going to
be and I even got a pass and then I
like never went. I think it is for some people,
but it's kind of like, I don't know. It's like,
why would you ever really go to Disneyland on and
off day? If you think about it, if you could
really do anything else, Like, why would you want to

(01:01:09):
tire yourself out that much for just virtually no reason? Well,
if you're if you're going with the intent to like
do a lot of stuff, you know what I mean? Like,
that's the thing is, it's not a relaxing experience if
you're going and you're like and we gotta kid, but
it's only it's like an adventure. Bone and I have
gone before and it's been like we're just doing a

(01:01:31):
leisurely walk We're in California Adventure. We have our little
we have our little cocktails. We've taken maybe some shrooms,
and we're more vibing. We're more just paying all that
money to vibe. I love that. I do love the vibe.
And I did do a lot of shopping at Downtown Disney,
I will say, because there's like no stores in orang
Journey that weren't ran by racist right right, That is

(01:01:54):
a major thing you remember about Orange County is she
be conservative? My next or Neuber was fully a Trump supporter,
and I was surrounded Yeah, I was like neighbor banged
by Blue Lives Matter people, Um what like they were?
I was surrounded by Blue Eyes Matter people. Yeah, just

(01:02:17):
like I had a little sexy secret of like maybe
one day I'll just like right trans on my forehead
and see what happens. Because they were so nice to me,
because I like, I'm obviously white passing and um, white
presenting and like sis straight presenting, and yeah, I just

(01:02:38):
wanted to ruin their day. I dreamed of the day
I would tell them let me get over here and
the truth. I mean, but to the way the expression
neighbor banged, what is really one that's going to live
rent free. In my mind, like the people on either
side of you, like our neighbor banging it's like hot.
That's that's that's the title of that. I thought it
was addiction to possibility that the neighbor banging away. See

(01:03:00):
what the guest does. Yeah, exclamation point. I mean it
could mean many things. One of a small dream that
I had actually in quarantine again not by Kirsten Dunns,
but by the house to the left. And anyway, we're
not going to get into it. Is it a well
known person? Um? Actually, I think the mom is well known,

(01:03:24):
but the child is not. Not the child, he's fully
an adult. He's like four years old. He's like a
fully functioning adult, and that is legal. Anyway, it didn't happen.
It didn't happen, ye ha, no, speaking of it didn't

(01:03:52):
happen yet. One segment on this podcast that hasn't happened
yet is called I don't Think It's no honey, and
it is a sixty second segment that we all do
when we take a minute which is actually colloquially known
as also sixty seconds, and we sort of rent and
really get something in pop culture that we absolutely can't
believe hasn't been taken down at this juncture. Um, I

(01:04:12):
do have something bout and yang. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I
don't think so, honey. Teresa Judas hair at her wedding,
and therefore all Tri State area women's hair at their
wedding when they decide to really go for it, we
need to take a step back. And I'm talking to
all you girls getting ready for the problem in the

(01:04:33):
Tri State area. Everyone getting ready for an event in
the Tri State area. If you decide to go big
and you tell a Long Island or Jersey hairstylus that
you will end up with what happened to Teresa judass Head.
I swear to God, and knowing Teresa Judas from the
Real Housewives of New Jersey, It's not like she knows
what camp is. It's not like she turned to her
makeup artist in Hairstyuse and said let's go camp. No,

(01:04:56):
someone was either fucking with her or they were just
a Jersey hairstyle us that really got licensed to go
for it. And I'm telling you, look at the pictures
speaking about this wedding as a whole. I can't believe
Melissa and Joe weren't there. I can't wait for the
new season. I can't believe Jackie and Margaret were there
and Melissa and Joe were not. I need to see
what happens. But from what I'm seeing right now is

(01:05:18):
all that hair. Trystate Area women take a breath. I
don't think that one minute. Honestly, have you seen the pictures.
I just saw that article. It's incredible. It's truly shocking.
I'm your jaw drops. I've seen it multiple times in
the last like twelve hours, and I'm like, oh my god.
Every time, I'm like, wow, that's so much hair. Because

(01:05:40):
it's truly the biggest deal wedding of the year in
that entire state. I mean, like Dave Mazzoni was joking
earlier that like he's on the Jersey shore right now,
and people are talking about it everywhere you go, as
if she's princess, like yeah, like it's the royal wedding.
And then they released some video of her coming out
of the church because I guess she got married outside
the church. They open the doors and she's looking down

(01:06:02):
and she just looks up and her hair is so
big and you just hear the crowd audibly gasp, like
and it's just like it truly is like a Jersey
fever dream, but knowing it's Teresa and like all the
like drama around this wedding and the fact that her
dear family is not there because of falling out. I
just didn't I couldn't believe it, and just understanding, like,

(01:06:23):
like how heavy that has to feel on your head? Right,
Oh my god, oh wow, that's she wasn't pain all night.
And you guys are both wigs queens, I would imagine occasionally, right,
I mean, I know what it's like to have them. Yeah,
but like they're heavy. When they're big, they're heavy. It's

(01:06:44):
paid well, if they're expensive, if they're if they're nice enough,
they're not heavy. Oh I guess that's true. But also
just having a wig on period for an extended amount
of time is just uncomfortable. No, it's so comfortable and
you're sweating and it's like it's like pinning in your
head and it's not the good kind of pan. I
just couldn't believe that. She was like, Yes, this is

(01:07:05):
what's going to make me feel the best on my
wedding day, and it has to be. It has to be.
I'm going to say, like a solid four feet of
hair like it's it's like and it's high too. Are
you Are you a Housewives person, Josie, I'm gonna look up.
I unfortunately, like against all like queer stereotypes. I have

(01:07:28):
barely I've watched a full episode of RuPaul's or Housewives.
But that's okay. I'm so in the know. I'm very
in the know, like obviously very into Utah and everything
that's going on with what's her fuck and what's obviously
ter sign very well as I like religiously watched um

(01:07:49):
Wendy Williams report on her for some Yes, I'm sort
of an adjacent stand right, I got Well, so we're
so you're aware of what this wedding means and what
and how she's chosen to appear at it a very
a very visible wedding. That's that's the thing. It's like

(01:08:10):
she knew that she knew there were there was gonna
be eyes on it. Yeah. And also the thing, you
know what, we're talking about it, we're talking about it,
we're talking about it, we're talking about it. But I
having been from Long Island, like some some some people
I knew, like going to prom and stuff like it's
like like beautiful girls, like like very pretty girls. And

(01:08:31):
then they get ready for prom and it's like they've
given someone license to put like someone else an adult
woman's face on her face and like really blow it out.
And like I'll tell you that the changes in skin
color that happened. I just what I want to tell
people is that you are never going to look good orange.

(01:08:53):
Orange is not the skin tone for anyone. And you
think that you'd at least reach back to your four
sisters and say, hey, how do I avoid looking like
you did on this event that is going to be
photographed a lot? And it's like no one has the answer.
They keep going, they keep becoming orange, like it's just

(01:09:14):
and it sucks because like I mean, I've seen it
happen to people close to me where it's just like
oh yeah, getting ready for a sweet sixteen or a
prom or like to be a bridesmaid and they come
out and you're like Deborah, what You're like, who are you? Mom?
Like I don't recognize these girls? I know, I know,

(01:09:36):
I mean, no one looks their best at that time.
That's that's the other thing. Yeah, no one looks their
best for the biggest event of their life because you
try too hard. Right, That's why people always say, like
your birthday glam is like always uglier than like your
every day glam. Yes, you men like I feel like
men think that secretly they're like, I just I love it.

(01:09:57):
I love thinking about what men think about, you know,
because I'm so concerned with the mail I mean, and
they're like, yeah, when they get dressed up too much,
it doesn't look so good. And that's one area where
we should listen to them. I don't know. I had
to had to talk about what Teresa appeared as, um
bow and Yang, Are you ready to do? I don't
think so, honey, I'm ready. All right, Well, this is

(01:10:21):
a great moment for us all. It's Bowen Yang's I
don't think so, honey, and its time starts now. I
don't think so, honey. Republic Records, which is which is
a division of Universal Music Group for stalling this Kim
Patrick's album and leaving it in this limbo for two years.
It leaked this past week and it's excellent. It's a
very good album. I don't know how much this has
to do with Dr Luke. Dr Luke produced, I think

(01:10:43):
all of it. Um, that's also a problem. I mean,
I hope, my hope is that this phrase up came
to work with other producers, because I think she is
aware and speaking to someone who likes to talk to
her about this. Not to name drop, but it's like
I think she I think it's it's a good time
for her to kind of disengage from that system because

(01:11:04):
it has obviously given her so much, but I think
it has also stunted a lot of progress in her
career by not letting her release this album. There's great
songs on it. If my recommendations are problem at tique.
The title track of the album, obviously, cocon At the
Future Starts Deeper, is an amazing song sex talk um. Anyway,
it's a great album, but it's also a tragic moment

(01:11:26):
in her career, and I think I hope she rises
from the ashes of this. And that's one minute. I
I too listened to it and then joined it a lot,
but I only listened to it because she basically tweeted
out being like, hey, yeah, go ahead, listen to the album.
Because they're not letting me put it out anyway. What
what is the deal with labels doing that? It's tough.
I think it's I don't know, it's like a money
thing because I watched a video about scissors Um album

(01:11:49):
never like her album never getting released, and it's because
her album alone is like without it's a five year
old album. It's still like the top five female selling
albums every single year since she released it, and so
there's no point of them to bring it back. That's
it's so confounding. I really don't get this damn industry.

(01:12:13):
None of it makes sense. It really all abou bottom
line ship. It's all. It's always about bottom line stuff.
That's the thing is it seems like it has to
all be about like, well, if we're gonna put this out,
it has to immediately recoup, and like I feel like
the people that are making the decisions on whether or
not this music is going to be embraced often aren't
the audience for that music. And so that's I guess
what's weird about it is it's just like if the

(01:12:35):
people that on these labels are like a certain type
of person, like they're not going to understand especially with music,
which is so personal and so subjective. It's like like
you're making decisions about what's gonna work, but it's like
it's just not it's not your thing. So how could
you gauge whether or not someone who's like really young
and a different type of consumer is gonna like this.

(01:12:56):
But it seems like they're comfortable doing that all the time.
It's crazy, I mean, but yeah, her album sounds great
and I do hope for more for her because I
think she's a great pop star, like and I've seen
her live and she's incredible, an amazing voice live and
she's so amazing. She's speaking of being on dramas and

(01:13:17):
not being all to be crazy. I did wrap last
Friday and night and played Treat Me like a Slut
out loud, and then just immediately saw the eyes turn
at me, and I was just like, yeah, fucking stuck
at I walked outside of my Scottish warehouse was proud. Honestly,
it might be the first time the Scottish, like countryside,
the Edinburgh of it all like have heard treat me

(01:13:38):
like a slut. I think they were grateful. I mean,
that's what I hope. I think I think anyone should
be grateful to hear treat me like a slut. I
loved slapt pop. I mean slipt pop was huge for me.
I I it was. It was a great moment in
music of this year. I felt, alright, so it's now
become time. It's time for Josie Todez. I don't think so, honey.

(01:13:58):
Now that you've had two examples of how absolutely slay
the format much, you have a fucking seizure. Okay, all right,
but I'd be really happy if you haven't had any
type of health emergency since you're incredible performance and other
people and now you're incredible performance today is being accompanied
by another health hazard. I love it. I know that
would be amazing. Okay, that would be amazing. Toda a Rosies, Yes,

(01:14:24):
I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Okay,
this is my I don't think so, honey. I'm Kloy
Kardashian and Trims Thompson welcome their second baby via surrogate.
And as a woman, I believe it is very important
not to comment other women relationships because you just never
know what's going on inside. However, I'm going to and

(01:14:46):
I feel that this is necessary because even though that
you're welcoming the baby via a surrogate, I think about
it like the fact that when I was very very young,
I did get like a slight nose tweak while getting
a breathing surgery, and which is why I thank God
that I am trans and I can't have my own
child because I couldn't bear having my child look like
me pre nose jobs. And so I'm like, when you
have this baby, even though it's a surrogate baby, he's

(01:15:07):
still going to have the DNA of a cheater and
it's going to grow up to be as Tristan Thompson is.
For that, I say that I'm disappointed. Um, I mean,
I still wish her all the best, but ultimately I
kind of just have to say that I feel bad
for her in that way. And I don't think so honey, period. Honestly,

(01:15:27):
I have so many questions about the Kardashian women, and
but then I don't because I understand why they pick
who they pick, because none of them are gonna last
and they're gonna have another media narrative after this. So
like I think, like it's I think it's entirely it's
entirely by design that Kim Kardashian is like, yeah, I

(01:15:48):
picked Pete Davidson, like you know what I mean, like
someone that of course there's an expiration date on it,
it's Pete. And then like and then we're all watching
it like maybe this is the one. It's like, let's
not be dumb, Like they do this on purpose, Like
Chloe picks this type of guy not because she wants
to be happy, because she wants to prolong a media narrative.
I think you think I honestly think that she is

(01:16:12):
just a confused queen. Like I truly believe Chloe is
a good person, and I just everything they miss the
well it sounds like you're saying she should die. Um No,
I think that she is good intentioned. I just think
when I just think she has a really bad attachment

(01:16:35):
style and it has gone to her and she is
crippling anxiety, and she's also very insecure because the world
sort of does hate her in some ways. It does
hate on her much more than her other sisters do.
Because people like love hate on Kim Parnashian, but they
hate hate Chloe, do they I love hate? No? People

(01:16:57):
come for Chloe in her looks really more than they
do any of her sisters, and even Kim has said that, Yeah,
well I guess, I guess I I understand like that
that's true, But also feel like Chloe is like the
Kardashian of the people, And I feel like probably the
hardcore fans of the Kardashians, like gun to their head
if they had to say who their favorite Kardashian is, Like,

(01:17:19):
I bet Chloe would get a ton of maybe even
a majority of those votes. But then I'm not even
thinking about like the larger populists that are all familiar
with them just because of how they exist. And yeah,
probably her, No, But I agree with you, and I
think that's a testament to like, when you like let

(01:17:39):
people think that they can be your best friend or
that they can just like say anything to you, it's
like very welcoming and warm, but it also allows people
to cross the boundaries and like come for you. So
what I'm saying is it's her fault. We know that,
we know that, Yeah, what you're saying, But what a
big week for those at least the three Kardashian sisters

(01:18:00):
Canon and clubbing and and courtinate with the whole Megan
Fox thing, I'm like, what is something's going on just
in this week alone? I don't know, it's always it's
always wild. Well, I guess my perspective on it is
just like whenever I hear they're dating someone new, because
I'm not, like I'm not like a fan of the Kardashians,
Like I'm not. It's kind of like you with watching,

(01:18:21):
like like I'm aware enough of like what goes on
with them, like, but every time I hear them dating
someone new, whether it's Tristan Thompston or Travis Scott or
Travis Barker or Pete Davidson or like whoever, whoever, I'm
always just like, not only do they feel interchangeable to me,
but they're often just like every relationship has the same

(01:18:43):
vibe of like like because it's also transient, and if
you choose to not like like actually think about like
what their relationships are, like, it all feels the same.
And if you just sit with it and don't don't
think about it for like nine months, it will have
passed and it gets it's like it is filled by
someone else almost immediately. Even even the Kanye thing, even

(01:19:06):
the Kanye thing in the Grand scheme didn't feel like
it was taking place over that long period of time
because it was just like, yeah, and I still remember
her dating Chris Humphries and being married to him. I
still it's just like they occupy this weird space where
I'm just like, who are they dating? It's like I
keep forgetting, But also I always know it's just it's

(01:19:28):
this weird thing. I can't really explain it true, I
just you know, I agree, And it's hard to keep
up with. And I feel like for most people's mental
health is probably easiest not to even though it's hard to.
But I was just saying another interview that I feel
like Pete's next angle should be like a really hot
old person like Jane Fonda or like Share Like I

(01:19:50):
just feel like that would make the most sense for me,
or like Selene Dion. Just like that that's where he
should go, because you can't after him production and you
kind of have to go like either really old or
I mean I guess you, yeah, I think really old. Yeah,
you can't take an infant. Obviously. What's going to happen

(01:20:11):
is she's going to reinvent. He's going to have all
of his tattoos remove he's going to reinvent as a
Hollywood leading man. He's going to bulk up a little bit.
But I think it honestly helps him that he's not
dating her for when that movie comes out where he's
like playing that singer pizza good actor. Wait, Joey Ramon,

(01:20:31):
Oh yeah, he's Wow. I didn't realize Academy Award nominee here.
It is coming right around the corner. So listen. Dare
we say? This was an excellent episode of this podcast,
and podcast dare we say is going to be one
that you're gonna want in your immediate rotation. And I'm
I'm imploring all the readers to add this one to

(01:20:54):
the damn Q please. I mean play is read away,
read are read reread the house down Boots, And I'm
so grateful that you guys allowed me on this zoom
call and I'm so happy to be in the podcast space,
and I'd love you guys to come. I think we
accept any time we could. I don't think so, Honey,

(01:21:17):
girl boss to this to the sky to the time girls,
I would love that. That sounds like an incredible opportunity
for all of us to girl boss to these guys
and I can't wait to lose at another award show
with you again. I can't wait and to be And
by the way, congratulations on your Emmy nom Yes, oh that,

(01:21:40):
but see that's already something that I'll lose, that'll lose.
That's not true in which I no, no, no, take
the camp take a compliments that you deserve it. But
also randomly I just realized I just reprimmended you the
way that I just love it dom that he's kind

(01:22:01):
of hot. It was, but something that I thought was
really funny. I was like, I was filming like two
weeks ago, and I got a text from my mom
like when the Emmy noms um came out or whatever,
and my mom was like, oh, did you did you
text Bowen? Congrats? And I'm like, I'm not, like that's

(01:22:22):
good to friends, but I'm not like super close where
we texted cangratulations like of course it would DM me
on Instagram and like swipe up on selling. But and
then like I didn't respond to her because I was filming,
And she texted me that night and was like have
you texted Bowen? Yeah? Now I'm telling you congrats for
my mother on your nomination. That's very nice and from

(01:22:43):
every mom in America COT and congrats. Yeah exactly. I
was gonna say, I can't wait to lose at another
award ceremony with you, with with with both of you,
and to be neighbor. Banked by Joshua Jackson and jo
Only Hope. Um, this has been incredible and thank you
so much for coming on. We're major fans, Um and BO.

(01:23:06):
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