"Publicly Sick and Writing Brave Stories" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

On this week’s Las Cultch, the artists formerly known as Bobo and Mimi (Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers) catch up on the culture. They discuss Anatomy of Lies and the legendary lies of Finchie, the SWEAT, Hit Me Hard and Soft and Eras TOURS, Wicked (which our hosts have now seen!), Andrew Garfield on Chicken Shop Date, and unacceptable Chromatica erasure. Also, Matt and Bow indulge in Eva Longoria appreciation, unpack their recent episode with Mariah Carey and make a case for Gracie Abrams as world’s most beautiful woman. All this, “Disease” and what some are for some reason calling Gaga’s “return to pop”, Stevie Nicks BTS from SNL, and unfortch… the electch. Get out and VOTE. Does the moon represent your heart? Are yall dressed up as Paul Mescal for Halloween? Have you been able to sleep? Lots to think about this week… on LAS CULTCH. See you next week… ARI!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rodgers, letting you know. Tickets
are on sale now to see me on tour, the
Prince of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole
album have you heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more
with the whole band all throughout the December. Go to
www dot Matt Rodgers official dot com. See me in
a city near you and now lost Coach drums, look mare,

(00:25):
oh I see you and look over there is that culture. Yes,
is Lost Culture ding dong Lost Cultures calling and they
call every week without fail.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Let's talk about that. Do you know we're up maybe
the only podcast left that doesn't do seasons. Oh maybe
that's going out at the window too.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know, well we're form breakers. Yes, so the podcast
has we're seeing critical acclaim. Now are they giving us
an award for breaking ground and podcasting?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bow?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh my gosh, us and esther a stair Parrell. I
better learn how to say that before I meet her.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I'm my god, you know what a fun Colleen costume
would have been? What fred as stare Parrel. That's really good, bo,
that would have been really fun. Oh my god, you
and a stair Parrel. I unfortunately cannot make this ceremony. Yeah,
but the Signal Awards, the Signal Awards were so honored,
so thankful. You get to meet a stair Parol which
is going to be huge, and I think you too

(01:25):
will hit it off.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I have a feeling we're gonna connect. By the way,
I know it's a stare Parrel. It just came out
like esther perel, which sometimes is gonna happen. When you
have a name like that, has anyone ever come up
to you and gone like bow when.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, I've had people fully go bowing and I'm like bowing, Hello, Hello,
and they know that these are people who know how
my name is pronounced. And you know, something goes off
in the synapses and they fire a little bit incorrectly.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Synapses fire incorrectly at times. That's actually we're at the
culture at number six as far incorrectly at times. Wait,
do you know what's funny is if you really think
about this, bo yes, And notice I say bo and
not bowen, Because the point I'm gonna make is about
how we often we'll call each other a name that
is not our god given name, right, And I've never

(02:17):
once said to you boo you can. I've never made
a bow bow joke to you, like, even though bow
is such an integral part of your first name, I've
never made like a bow wow wow joke to.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You ever, Bo b A. I remember there was an
era like early on in our friendship where I was
calling you Mimi, yes, Bobo and me me we title
Bobo and me me, oh, very Mariah of you.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It didn't stand on test the time. Why don't you think?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think it's making its grand return today?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, all right, So right before we started, Bowen asked
me if I was annoyed with him because we could
have been tactile today, but Bowen wants to have our
own days.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
By the way, just her context, We're going to get
tactile the next two days on the calendar, and we'll
talk about why. We'll talk about why.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
And we've been so tactile lately, and I want you
to know. You said, are you annoyed with me? And
I literally really thought about it, and I said seven percent,
just because I wish you had told me.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
That we that this was happening, that we could have
been tactile.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
But you have your ways and seven percent is nothing
my ways. I'm not your ways.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
I just mean, like, no, I'm annoyed it with you
at fifteen percent. Oh not double digits.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I just mean sometimes, like I know you want to
have your own time and I respect it deeply.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
What is going on are you? I mean maybe it's
just the world and the news. I have been on
my report cards for sleep in my mind. Oh my
fail fail fail fail fail fail fail worse than usual.
Matt Rogers. I when I last night at the Hollowekend,
got home at like four, went to bed at four thirty,

(03:58):
woke up at seven thirty, couldn't go back to sleep,
went crazy. Finally at eleven thirty, managed to like go
back to sleep for like an hour and a half
before recording this. I don't know something. I'm just like anyway,
this is what it's about. Like I just like took
everything else off the calendar except for this.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
No, I'm can I tell you something. I'm zero percent
and I want you to know that right now.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I am zero. Oh no, no, that's zero. That's not why.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
But as a result of hearing you say that you're
not sleeping, which that so I just want you to
know zero percent, Queen. I want you to have all
the moments of rest. Do you think it's Halloween looming?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think it's Halloween looming. I think it's many things looming.
Oh girl, we don't have to really talk about it,
but I think.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
We probably should. If this is gonna be a lost
culture racist, I think we need to talk about what's
happening in culture, which is unfort the.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Election, unforced the election. Maybe that's the title of that.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
No, no, no, it's Bobo and mem Yeah, because that's
really what this podcast is all about. And it's received
Critical Acclaimant awards.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's received critical acclaim in awards. I have seen you earlier.
I got tacked to with you earlier this week, and
I really, I really appreciate you as a friend and
love you an artist. I love you so dearly. Matt Rogers,
Oh my god, we need to start by talking about
the one, the only, Elizabeth Finchy. Finch.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm so happy that you said that, because I fear
I may have forgotten. And this is the really the
this is the top news story of the week. Unfortunate
the election is on the list. This is the number
one new story week. Elizabeth R. Finch Finchy to her
friends Finchy to her enemies.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Unfortunately, Yeah, Finchy to her coworkers who put on a
good front on this documentary by saying we were so
concerned for FINCHI you know, these other writers on Grays
fucking hated her ass.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
So Bowen watched the entirety of the documentary on Peacock
about Elizabeth our French Gray's anatomy writer slash liar about cancer.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Anatomy of Lies.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Set the scene, tell us what we can expect to
see when we click play.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So this is I think one of the first Vanity
Fair Studios productions. Shout out the shout out, welcome to
the the unscripted space. Let's go, baby, let's go. We
love the magazine welcome to television.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Every time I read that magazine, I'm like, I just
wish I could watch this period. And now Vanity Fair
is on television. You can watch it.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
On Peacock Our Sister.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I can't. I'll get to emotional if I start talking
about my I start my sister.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Peacock. Yeah, LCCA winners, Cult winners, basically, I mean, there's
just it's such a sprawling, truly web of lies has
never been so appropriate, you know, I always roll my
eyes at that term. Oh web of lies l L.
Who are these people? Spiders?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
No, this is her.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
She spawns Elizabeth, She spawns the web, She spins the yarn,
and she is someone who grew up in New Jersey,
had aspirations of being in showbiz, went to college. I
think apparently she went to college in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
She's just like all of you, basically, is what we're saying.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, let's just like get a little bit granular to
start and then we'll go from there. So she allegedly
went to college. They don't really talk about. They kind
of glossed over this chapter in her life. She went
to college in the Pittsburgh area, where she was a
frequenter of the Tree of Life Synagogue. Sure, and then
she went on to the grad program at USC for screenwriting.

(07:33):
And then she would proceed to work on shows such
as True Blood and Vampire Diaries, where she made close
friendships in very deep traumatic She had traumatic experiences on
the set of Vampire Diaries at the hands of a director.
This woman then went on to write for Grey's Anatomy
as she was hiding quote unquote a cancer diagnosis, but

(07:56):
was kind of hired for that reason because she kept
getting pieces on. I guess it was Vanity Fair or
was just other magazines where in publications and trades where
she was writing about how she was battling cancer and
how Friday night lights and people saying state was such
a rallying cry for her, she.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Was publicly sick and writing brave stories. Publicly sick and
writing brave stories also might be title of app. I
think that's the excellent publicly sick and what writing brave stories.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Basically, all of this is a huge lie. There's a
huge grip of hugely and then the documentary kind of
follows her as she checks into a institution in Arizona
where she meets this woman named Jen, who is escaping
an abusive husband who is kind of put her kid's
custody at stake, and Finchy kind of prays on this

(08:54):
in her narcissistic tendency praise on Jen and takes advantage
of her and kind of mothers the children when she
has an aversion to children. To everyone else, the layers
on this are crazy. I need you to reveal the
funniest detail of this entire thing to you, and the
way that I prefaced it to you. I said, Matt,
we have to watch this documentary series because there's one
detail in this that is the most Matt Rogers codd

(09:14):
thing I can I couldn't even dream of saying.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And now I say, do we reveal it here? I
think we have to. We we are going to spoil,
we are gonna split, We're gonna say spoiler alert. She
at one point claims to need a kidney transplant, and
she tells everyone that she's getting a kidney from her
dear friend Anna Paquin. She tells everyone, I need I

(09:40):
guess like word gets around because she tells maybe someone
at work she's getting a kidney transplant, and it's from
Anna Paquin. They are dear friends from their time together
at True Blood.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
This woman, this celebrated actress Oscar winning Oscar, it was
euphick Oscar winning Anna pack went the piano Shookie Stackhouse
herself allowing a kidney transplant.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
And mind you, this obviously did not happen, and who
knows if they are even friends. But the thing is
like it was one of those moments when it came,
when it happened on screen, after you had said I
could never have even guessed that that would have been
what it was, but you are correct. It was a
euphoric Adele dezime esque moment.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
It was.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Hyptoria. I felt it in my chest. I felt a
pop of joy when I realized she had told everyone
that she was getting a kidney from her dear friend
Anna Paquin. That really, honestly, we needed that, We needed
that win, and we got that win.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
This is a Dele Diseine level adult Dezine famously the
number one.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
There might have to be a new List moment of culture.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
They might have to be a new list interesting five hundred.
We're we're getting closed.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
We are getting ever closer. And maybe it's the top
five hundred greatest moments in culture again.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
And are we setting up a cycle that six hundred
will be the six hundred greatest songs of the Great
Global Songbook again.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Or I don't know. See the thing is like, as
we rack up even more episodes of this critically acclaimed podcast,
which has never been academic bigger in its life, I
have to tell you this Lost Coach is Wow. It's everywhere.
If you are if you are on reels, you're watching
Lost Coach.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Pon me. You're watching the backwash of TikTok and you're
washing you're watching lost culture reels period. I mean, we
were so so so fastidious on Marie's behalf about getting
the lighting right for let's talk about it, let's should
be unpacked.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Of course, absolutely, but are we Are we done with
what was even the name of the fintry documentary Anatomy
of Lies, Anatomy of Lies, Anatomy of Lies? Yes, because
honestly it is huge culture and the fact that you
had already watched the entire thing and you go to me, no,
we're watching it again.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I watch you, I swear I want to do I
need it to watch you and cuity watch it again.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Honestly, was there anything crazy that might have been the
moment that's so that, like that a person could be
this twisted and like it's a true exploration. It's honestly
deeply sad by the end because of how like this
woman Jen who gets absolutely her life rocked, not just
by Finching but by life itself, Like she cannot get

(12:40):
a win. This woman and she is doing a talking
head like she's talking about what happened, and she is
reliving it in the most visceral way I have ever
seen like a documentary, at least in these pop culture documentaries,
interview subject, embody what it means to have been in
that same page, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's like very on the surface. Yes, yeah. The documentary
ends on a very beautiful note as it focuses on
what a wonderful mother she is to her five children,
who all seem so happy and they're back with mom
so wonderful. The other detail that I do want to
talk about that I love is the each episode ends
on some text cards, and the detail that I love.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is that this is so good. This was a scream
at the end of every of the.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Scream so Finchy kind of without this other writer's permission,
took their personal story about being conceived from rape and
used it as a beat as a b story on
the Big Grays post me to episode that she kind
of took ownership of.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
She was very publicly writing that as well, you know
what I mean. She was like, I have written the
episode of me too, Grey's Anatomy here it is. She
also was so The probably funniest part about it is
that the character that she ended up really gravitated towards
was Joe played by actress Camilla Luddington.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yes, And the title card on each episode ends with
Elizabeth Finch claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired her to
write Silent after all these years.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Not a stolen story, but the Kavanaugh hearings.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
The Kavanaugh hearings, and then line break, paragraph break, the
actress Camilla Luddington claims that the Kavanaugh hearings inspired which
actors have ideas all the time, and we love that,
and speaking as actors, we celebrate the ideas of actors
and that's actually a roller coach at number one.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
We celebrate the.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Ideas of the cursers, especially Camilla Luddington's Jamilla Luddington. But
Camilla Luddington had the idea from the Brett Kavanaugh hearings
as well to have her character Joe be a child
conceived of rape as well.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
They're putting together this documentary and it's like, is it
this woman's real story or the stolen story of Finchy.
Just as a third drop, Camilla steps forward and says, no,
I came up with it. I came up with this.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I told this woman's story.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's so funny and not me who wanted to do this.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like this is. It is a tapestry of personality disorders
across multiple people.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
I love it, and I embrace and welcome all of
them into my home. I would welcome Elizabeth Finch into
my home. I literally, I would welcome her into my
home seriously, and I would say, let's sit down, let's talk.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
No, this is what happened. Now. You would say, Finch,
come into my home. I welcome you. And then here's
what she would say, respectfully. Hell fecking no, hell fecking no.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh my god. See this is this is the other
element of it is you would hear this woman's credits
and you would think, oh, you know that she went
to the US. See, like all those things right, you
would think she was quite good. Oh. All the clips
that they show are the most insane, batshit crazy dialogue
you've ever heard. Like it's just and then you're watching

(15:55):
the show and not this but a little bit like, God,
was this the quality of grace even when we were
watching it at this time, I actually had stopped watching
it by that time.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I had stopped watching at that time too. But you
know what, I can't blame the people with in grays
who like really champion her, Like unfortunately they were.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Being fool they were by a master manipulator. Yes, yes, yes,
it's crazy at the time to look back and be
like wow, like we had to take this this seriously
because this woman was really, really, really saying that that
she was going through it, and like why wouldn't you
let her testify to that? Like, and it's also wild

(16:34):
to me that she does walk free, you know what
I mean, Like there's no illegal element, I guess to
any of this. She's just allowed to go on a
spree of baseline, hectic like at its worst, like really
harmful and damaging lies.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Like it's crazy she's walking free. I think, like there
is no world in which anyone gives her any credibility.
Well certainly, Oh anyway, everyone, we lightly spoiled Anatomy of Lies.
It's really well made. Congratulations once again to Vanity Fair
Studios and Peacock.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Honestly, he really It's almost like I had been missing
like the third Grader's writing for my scripted series because
none of my none of my shows are on So
I felt like I got a third Grader documentary in
the fact that like the content of what was happening
I can only describe as and just like that, ask.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Maybe Finchy is gonna collab with the third graders soon?
What do you think about that?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
See, this is where I think bo we encounter the
really dark and harmful thing about all this, which is
have we made Finchy a legit icon? And do we
want to see another film from her? Another episode of television?
I kind of I would welcome Finchy's creativity at this point.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Wow, she's really in my home. Well, I don't if
she worked on me the narcissism. Never, she's in the
guest room. She's she's co parenting your children.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Narcissists love to see me coming. They love to see
me coming.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's so true of both of us. Oh my god,
the Narises love us, or we love the Narses. I
call them.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Taylor Swift Afrus narcissists, but they love me.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I want to talk about recent contract going experiences too. Okay,
should we put a pin in that go to Mariah first?
Do you want to talk about concert experience? So?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I guess the first thing I would say about the
Mariah episode was that, Wow, it fucking happened. Honestly, Yes,
regarding the lighting. We were on it, and I have
to say she was barely late, but you know what
I mean, like showed up ready to go serene. That
is the quality I would describe. I mean, and then

(18:43):
so kind, so open to us obviously, like listening back
to that, I keep a little bit of me is.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Like Matt, relax, relax, relax.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
But I think that she dealt with all the energy well.
And I think we did pretty well.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I think we did wonderfully. You especially, that is another
gorgeous moment where I get to like, witness you talk
to your fucking hero. I was. I can't believe it, Matt,
you did so well.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Thank you. And I want everyone to hear me say
this on this podcast right now, because I said it
out loud to be why well. I used to call
Bobo and he would call me me Me, I said
to him. It is important to me now that we
get two people on this podcast, and I'm speaking it
out into existence now. Leady Gaga, it's time for you

(19:32):
to come on this podcast. And this is the white
whale Bo, this is the next white Whale. Celine Dion
on Lost Coach, Celene Dion, I'm gonna cry Celine Dion
on Lost Coach. I need you to experience what I've
experienced with Kelly and Mariah Gaga and Selene on Lost Coach.

(19:52):
When this podcast is winning a Signal award, I am
emotional now now I'm emotional.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
No, don't, girl, don't you need to be strong. We
are a leader in podcasts. We have to have the best.
We need the leaders in art. We need the leaders
in art.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
But Selene and Gaga on the podcast, that's what we want.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Look, consider this the first flare out into the world.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Mm hmmm. And publicists, you play a role in this.
You can help make this happen. You really can. If
you tweet at Gaga, tweet at Gaga, tweet at Selene.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
She loves it when people tweet at her.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Send Selene a ton of fan mail. Let's do this,
Let's let her bomb Selene. Oh my god, this is
with love, with love.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, I'm just I'm still just overwhelmed thinking about the
idea of them coming.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Can you imagine, I mean, I actually think those would
be both stunning episodes.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Stunning stunning, Oh my god, I mean to have like
a a quatrain, a quartet of episodes. Kelly Mariah Gaga
Selene like that is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
To say nothing of what's happening for the next month.
Should we announce our little series?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Let's announce our series, shall we? Well?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And by the way, a film I've seen a Wicked
is coming out of November twenty second, and so we
figured it might be fun since Bowen Yang plays the
role of Fanny in said film, Fanny the Fop. Now
we celebrate this impending release and have some of the

(21:36):
stars of Wicked on the podcast. So how about this
next week? Ariana Arianka Arianka Ariyanni. I am so excited.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be really fun. She's
coming on the week after.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
How about this one? How about Cynthia Arrivo herself a legend.
I can't I'm so beyond. And then we're going to
finish it up with Johnny Bailey. You know that's true.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh yeah, we're gonna finish up for sure. We might
have to.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'll tell them what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Oh, Matt is wiping the corners of his Let me get.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Out together after that episode three in a row, babes,
and then you'll all get to see Wicked on November
twenty second when it comes out. But it's a wicked month.
It's November is for wicked.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
November is for bricked. We're gonna save any wicked talk
between the two of us for this. Look, it's gonna
be three weeks of wicked.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh are we because I'm popping off and you embargoed?
Can I ask the genuine question, Am I under review
and bargaining? No? That would be so chic, by the way.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
It would be so chic if you were not explicitly told.
I was not explicitly told. I think people are going on.
The people who've seen it, like the you know, Sleigh
influencers who've seen it, like I think, are going on.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
You're popping off. Okay, then let me be a slagh
influencer right now when I say, you guys, bargain to
fucking love this movie. It is so so good it
is and this is just based this is how I
feel it is so much better than it needed to be.
Like there are moments that just bring all of that

(23:15):
emotion from the very first time you saw it on
Broadway or heard the songs.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yes, it feels new again.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Their performances are so good, like Arianna. Honestly, Ariana's physical comedy,
her genuine acting, her emotion is just so real, and
she's in it with Cynthia. Their chemistry is unbelievablelable. Defying
gravity is a moment and three quarters.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
A moment in movie history. To me, they did it.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
They found a way to make it be as cinematic
and as new and as fresh as it probably did
the first time. And it's nostalgic. It honors the moment,
you know what I mean, Like you you feel like
when you're watching this movie, like, oh, this must have
been what it felt like to discover something when it
happened on Broadway. They did it. They honored Wizard of Oz.

(24:08):
They really just it looks incredible. You are right. It
is way more practical than we're going to realize, and
the movie's going to make you feel all the things.
It's just a great Hollywood movie.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I'm so happy you think this and that you saw it.
It was very important that matt'sap before we had all
our guests come on for me what I love And
we're going to say this again and again for the
next month, like to our guests, Yeah, get into it.
All the emotional beats hit and everything hits like you know, musically,
it hits, of course, and visually and it is a
pure Capital S spectacle. But most importantly and probably most challengingly,

(24:44):
these emotional beats hit like on a character development level,
and that is kind of what is girding down the
reason why this is two films, Like.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh, people are going to feel so silly for wanting
it to have been one.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Well, the complaint for the Broadway show has always been
that it's dense. There's so much happening so quickly, Like
you know, there are obvious character arcs that are amazing,
and that's why people love the show so much, but
like you really got to let it breathe and just
let it have some latitude. And I think that the
movie gives it all of that and more, and I
mean every number. God, there's so many moments, Like there's

(25:18):
even songs that you might like kind of you know,
like not politely at like over the last twenty years
since this since the show has been out, that like
are given new life. And I'm gonna say, like I'm
not that girl. Nothing wrong with the Broadway version or
the stage version or whatever, but like something about seeing
it in film. Something about the way that Cynthia performs it, Yes,

(25:39):
incredible and obviously Arianna Grande, Yeah, that girl's talented. Who knew?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I mean, it's so funny. I'm watching it and I'm
thinking to myself, by the way, just to speak on it,
I'm not that girl. It's because it's like it's an
intimate thing that she's confessing and when you can be
like really personal with her, and like John M. Chew,
the man that you are, like he really knows how
to do this, and you have to stick to your
guns on those big decisions because it was the right one.

(26:06):
Defind gravity literally brings a curtain down, you know what
I mean? Like, you wouldn't be able to just move
on to another scene if to find gravity happens in
the railway version honestly without defying gravity, suffering and everything
that happens after its suffering.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, so why wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Why are we doing this if not to blow it
out to its absolute potential? Also, go ahead and Wikipedia
whatever and read you know, Act one and Act two
of Wicked. Those are two stories. Those are those are
two arcs in and of themselves. Like you're actually seeing
the characters after a long passage of time in like
Act two of Wicked. Yes, all this to say it

(26:46):
just trust me. It is going to give you full
ass movie like with its own arcs that could end
right there and would be a story, you know what
I mean, Like this is its own thing.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
They thank you for putting out the time jump between
the two acts.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
When there's a time jump, you honor that member Desperate
Housewives as time jump one of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
The haircuts were all askew. Gabby was in sweats, okay,
Daddy was in sweats looking unkempt because Eva Longoria can
do that. Oh my god, let's talk about this. I
love this, like sudden news that Eva Longoria saves John
Wick basically with six million dollars.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Oh, this was a really good thing to hear.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
She has always been the hero of our culture.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I believe that Eva is important beyond just oh my god,
Dabby Sills, anyone thing like Eva is. We need Eva
on the pod.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
That hello, can I say fantastic SNL host? Oh Pete
Desperate Housewives. She she was so fucking big and she's
still it. But like she was the biggest fucking deal
they were like, we gotta get Eva on her deep.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
House dish is forever forever. Monday had a bad fish summons,
but Monday night I was at the club. Tuesday had
a bad fish that much. But Tuesday night I was
at the club. Wednesday another bad fish that much. But
Wednesday night I was at the club. And then she
sits with Keenan and he's just he just says what happened.
He's like, so you had a bad fish sandwich every

(28:20):
night and you were still at the club. She's like, yep,
and that's.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Basically the sketch that's and that is a I believe
executed comedic idea. James Anderson, you are the John m
chu of sketch writing, of sketch comedy and that you
get it. Wait, Eva Longoria like, we would love to
work with you.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
We would love to collaborate with you literally in any way.
And I'm serious, I'm pointing at you, and you know
you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
I know I know what you're talking about. We would
love to work with you.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I think Eva is third co host. Why didn't we
find out like if Eva were to come in and
like sort of take lost coach, that would actually be
exactly the narrative.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I have no doubt. I have no doubt that Eva
Longrey could do our jobs better than both of us combined.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Oh anything, anything?

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Oh my god, Eva, we love you, We love Eva.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
The second I saw Eva on screen, I said, tell
me everything when she would run up and say hey.
On Disperate Housewives, Collos slay the first season of Desperate Housewives.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Watch it again, Rex cries when he ejaculates.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Oh my god, Can I say? The only thing that
doesn't work for me about the pilot of Desperate Housewives
I did just watch.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It again recently is the Mary Alice stuff. No.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I love the Mary Alice stuff. I think all that
stuff's amazing. Probably the most iconic image of it is
the only thing for me that I'm like, I don't
know if I buy this completely, which is Lynette getting
in the pool in the pool to get her kids
out of the pool in her heels. Like it's an
iconic shot. I do like the imaging of it, but
something about it, I was just like, I don't believe
she's motivated to get all the way that fucking pool.

(30:00):
But then again, it was a kooky show.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
The twins were being nightmares, though, and it was a
funeral gathering. It was a party after the funeral. Yep, Oh,
that is a great pilot because like, I love there's
that one act where it's just the four of them
bringing in their dishes to the potluck, like what it's
said about them and oh, it's so genius.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
That was a really fun show.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Mm hmmm. I mean so fun that Julio Torres still
sends us Desperate Housewives memes and like Osteria Lane, content
like this is this has lasting impact. This has shaped
a lot of our sensibilities.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Say, I'm trying to think, like, what was my favorite
ever plot on By the way, it's so funny that
we were talking about the film of the year Wicked,
we went off for two seconds about the time jump
and Desperate Housewives because it also had one, And now
here we are. This is why Lost Coach is breaking
ground in podcasts because no one is this fucking dumb

(30:57):
and gay. No one. I'll fight, I'll throw hands against
anyone that thinks they're this dumb and gay. You're not
talking about Gabby in sweats.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Unless your name is Aaron Shock and you're stumping for
Trump at his rallies as a team. Actually it's so crazy.
Yeah you're kidding.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Well, actually I get. I mean, sure, what is he
It's not like he found community, it's not like he
has anything to betray. It's like he is a fucking
piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I was gonna give him gupher like being closeted the
way he was, but I don't want to. I don't
want to make anybody feel about being in the closet.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
I mean listen, no, no, no, no, no want has to feel
bad about being in the closet. Everyone's situation is different.
He was enacting harmful, noxious, explicitly anti gay and while
being in the closet, while being in the closet, so
he should feel like absolute horseshit about that forever. And no,
he doesn't have community in this arena, like my god.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Not us going from despert and that's why lost coach,
we're gonna be standing up.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
They're next to Esther Perrell saying yes, period, I hit
it off with this woman and we both are holding trophies.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Where should we begin the ri iconography?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Of course, that's it. Honestly, watch when the Pot Law
Schooljeres's podcast becomes with Eva Longoria and Estair Parrel.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Honestly, Estair is the you and Eva is the me,
and it works.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
It totally works because they.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Could talk about Aaron Shock and Desperate Housewives in the
same breath. And I'm sure Wicked asolutely. I'm sure wicked.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Wicked is Universal Studios and thank them.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
We love them at Universal Studios. By the way, Epic Universe,
it's coming, bitch, May.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
What's what's the date?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
May twenty second? We have a date, and I want
you to look at my wrist. Look at that number
twenty two.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
It feels like one of those nights twenty two.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I'm telling you, I saw a bunch of concerts recently. Yes,
let's go and tell us. I don't think we've been
on since I saw the Sweat tour, which you were
supposed to come to now, and that was devastating because
it was the week you guys were starting up right. Yes, yes,

(33:14):
you had to get your JD Evans together.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
No, it was not jad Evans, it was just the
MSG show for Sweat was on a Monday. It was
the first day back.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
At work, so you got it.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You have to situate and that was a pack day
like we had, Will and Harper on the pod in
the morning, and then I had to go into the
office and like, it's just a it's just a lot
coming out. You're catching up with people, you're strategizing for
the next for shows, and it was an intense run
of four shows, and I just got overwhelmed and worked up,
and I was like, you know what, let me get
my ticket to someone else. And I don't have regrets,

(33:42):
although I do. I mean, my regret is that I
did not see the Sweat Tour.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, that's the thing is. It's like I wish you
would seen it because it was unbelievable. But I said,
I said to you the next day, there was no
way you would have been okay the rest of the
week because it was a party party. And then we
actually we it was so fun.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Of course, we.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Went out afterwards and went hard and I ended up
like at someone else else's apartment, you know what I mean,
like doing the Walk of Shame. Sweat Tour got me
to do the Walk of Shame. I'm thirty four, you
know what I mean. It doesn't happen as much as
it used to, like kind of just.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Kind of more chic though the older you get to.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
At Barrakuda, like cooking up with a guy at Barracuda,
going home with a guy from Barrakuda, Like I'm twenty six.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
I love that I'm back.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, We're so back anyway. The Sweat Tour, first of all,
just Charlie, you are an icon in the building. Ever,
the fact bo that this actually is one of the
proudest moments of me for the whole year of our podcast.
The fact that we had her on like before Brat

(34:42):
Summer and we were talking to her about that song
Girl so Confusing, and we were going back and forth
her about who it was about, and she went into
detail for the first time about like how it really
feels sometimes between the pop girls, and to then a
couple of weeks later have grow so con and come
out to then being there at MSG when Lord came out.

(35:03):
That felt like very much like a full circle moment,
and I was like, this is why, and hear me
right now. It is not that hard. Brat is the
album of the Year. Brat is the is the Grammy
winner for Album of the Year, and we need to
PUBLICI this. You need to get on this because that

(35:25):
show solidified her as a true icon, like she already was,
but like I mean in the real sense of the word,
like this girl is a superstar and let me just say,
Troy fucking eight really pour it up, just so proud
to see his gay self being this Madison Square Garden

(35:47):
level shread like the choreo is together. Their music in
conversation with each other was so great because you were
up with Charlie and then like vibing with Troy in
a way that was like a perfect ride. When they
came out together, they were electric. They were so happy.
Fucking Addison Ray came out saying die Pepsi and we

(36:07):
went completely insane, like look, just crazy stuff, great visuals
ten ten of course, and they just wrapped it up too.
So congratuate fucking lations to both of them and everyone
involved in a Sweat tour. You ate.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
The thing that has been true about Charlie all along since,
like Number one Angel especially, is that like it's always
been about the people she brings into it. That's why
like her talking about girls are confusing and being like
it's weird, Like it's weird with the pop girls. Sometimes
it's tense, like there's subtextual things and like signals and
all these things but Charlie has never had an issue
bringing in the girls like she had like ray on

(36:46):
Number one Angels, like years before she blew up, she
had like she had Kim Petres on the track she
had like she's always cleving, She's always clep and then
really well and it culminates to the remix album for Bratt,
where it's like, oh my god, these are such incredible
reinventions of these already I'm iconic songs like I was.
I don't know why I like didn't pay attention to

(37:07):
this so I remix with ag cook Love but a
totally like new flip side take on the original so I,
which is like sad and pondering and mournful and it
grieves Sophie, but like this one is just like like
she literally says like I want to think about the
good stuff, and it's all these wonderful, beautiful memories that
she has with Sophie that are like celebrator and you
could like fucking dance to it in the club, and

(37:27):
I'm like, this album is so special, like it is
a generation era defining album of this very strange time
that we're in. But like, thank God for this because
this was the thing that like buoied Us I think spiritually,
like you know, even with like all of the corners
and sectors that it's hit in the culture, it's very

(37:48):
easy for people to roll their eyes and be like,
oh my God, like brat's everywhere? Like when was when?
Like this just keeps going and going and going. But
like it keeps going because it is successfully like sustaining
this zeitgeist that it's in.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, and it's continually interesting and developing. That's another element
of it is it's like it feels like there's always
something more to unfold, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like she absolutely I will say I think that Sympathy
is a I featuring Ariana is the highlight for me.
And I think the way that it goes into the
new I might say something stupid with the nineteen seventy five,
which is again a total departure.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yes, like it's just it's not this doesn't just happen.
It impacted fashion, politics, the conversation at large, of course music.
Now you see her breaking into film. It's beyond just
this album. It's a Charlie thing too, And I think
that you have to it's just you can't actually talk

(38:45):
about And that's crazy too, because in a year when
so many people put out incredible work, you can't talk
about any album on this level like you can talk
about Chapelone and Sabrina Carpenter as artists one hundred thousand percent.
And I think give Song of the Year to Birds
of a Feather, give Record of the Year to Espresso obviously,
and best New Artist is chapel Roone, then we can

(39:07):
really represent what happened this year. But Bratt was the
album of the.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Year, and there's more to come from Charlie. I can
say that.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
What can you say that?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
You detonate bombs in the culture, you detonate bombs.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
She is, She's appearing, That's what I'm gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Bowen, are you allowed to do this?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yes? Okay, all you said was she's appearing. You didn't
say where she's appearing. I didn't say where.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Oh my god, gag Okay, so unbelievable. And talk about
collabs like fucking Charlie and Troy doing that together. I mean,
that was a moment. I just I will never forget it.
I saw the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour at
Madison Square Garden. Billy she's it's she is.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It a true original. I mean all of the girls
like everyone's original, but like she is, she's form breaking.
She should be up there on stage with you and
a Stare Parrell.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I would love nothing more than to share a stage
one day with a Stare and Billie Eilish. I don't
know what we'll do, but I would love to collaborate
with these ladies. I would love to collaborate with these ladies.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I think you guys should do a cooking demo on
a top show.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I think that would go so well.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Bo that's the stage you belong.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I think that that would be really good. What I
want to say about like Billy's show is a couple
of things you don't realize how dexterous and oh yeah,
emotionally intelligent her voices is like the only way I
can describe it.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's she is.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Such a storyteller and the music is so intimate, and
the sounds are also so big that for her to
translate is I mean, it's exceptional, and that audience was
going completely insane for her. The choice, I'll say, the
layout of the stage so that she can pretty much

(41:07):
always be two things A close to her fans and
be able to fucking run around because.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
There is something she loves to run.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yes, there is something that is like inherently youthful about her,
like energy and the fact that she can just be
standing there singing and then in the next breath running
and it feels like it makes sense to her why. Yeah,
Like giving her a stage where she can do that
is genius and it's her genius. And her music is

(41:39):
absolutely unbelievable in that environment, and whether it's a song
that's small or big, because of what it's meaning to
the people there.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
It's so incredible to hear you say this about an
artist who I think her trademark has been incredibly I'll say,
like internal music, you know what I mean. It's like
the reason why she is incredibly original that she's kind
of like reinvented a lot of vocal styles in the
last several years, it's because it's like it's incredibly inverted.

(42:11):
It's like it's not like outwardly projected vocals necessarily, you know,
Like even when she quote unquote belt, it's like incredibly controlled.
And even when she like wrote like what was I
made for? She's like, oh, like this demands something completely
different from like like she she's incredibly aware of like
how she uses her instrument and for it to be

(42:32):
so successful and so realized in a stadium like that
is so cool.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
She's it feels crazy to say it about someone this young,
but she is a living legend in that she will
go on to do so many things. Because I just
you know, when they were doing the rollout for hit
Me Hard and Soft, Matt Whitaker was pointing this out actually,
and I think it was purposeful on her team's part,
because you saw her Unclebert talking about how she loved

(42:59):
like Ella Fitzgerald, you know what I mean. You saw
her doing more adult engaging with the audience in more
adult ways, almost as to say, like, there's a lot
of my sleeve musically artistically. I think we're gonna see
many different Billie Eilishes over the next.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Of course forty years. I'm making a lazy comparison here
and just saying like, not the pedigree, but just sort
of like the background and like the the literacy on
music that she has is very like gag out of me, yes,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
And I will also say like I have to because
it's my impulse. I have to what do you think
of disease?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I think it's a grower. I really love it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, I want to hear the whole project around.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Me too, me too. And I think this is all
the reason she has not given us the video the
visuals yet is very intentional. I think it will communicate
more about the scope of LG seven And I'm going
to say something for my I don't think so. It's
not about her or the music, obviously, it's about the discourse.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
My I don't think Zohnnie is also about the discourse.
Interesting about Daga one of her daughters. Oh interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Wait, also quickly Addison Ray just to quickly mention Aquamarine
love stunning, loved the video, tensing the video, Yes, I
love it's.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Kind of giving Brittany a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
A little like Blackout era Brittany. Yeah, exactly, that's what
I mean. Like, that's sort of like that era of Britain.
She sings give me More in the song. She literally
sings like the words give me More. I love a
dirty Parisian music video. She's always given a little Brittany. Yeah,
Beca says she's always given at We need to talk
about Becca's producer, Beca's costume.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yes. The last thing I'll say is I saw Taylor's
show in Miami Rain Show, Raine Show, Iconic Epic rain
Show during reputation, when she was doing the transition from.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Look what you maan me do and to look what
you made Me do?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Like she was really Taylor ta y La in that
moment in the rain. She was having fun and it
was It was a really fun show to be at.
I will say this could be an I don't think so, Honey,
hard Rock Stadium in Miami. You need to figure out
how to get your guests in and out if you're

(45:19):
gonna have events like that, better or worse than Met
Life Oh Bowen, if you can imagine this, it was
much worse No, because it wasn't being in gridlock. It
was needing to travel miles before you could be picked
up by an uber with no transportation to get you there.
So we had to walk for like in the ring

(45:41):
miles and then when you finally get to the uber pickup,
it was gridlocke. It was crazy. I infrastructure wise, Florida,
I'm thinking of you, I really am.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
We hope everyone's doing okay O.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
That felt like a hard left. But like literally though,
like I'm just like I don't get what happens when
what if there was an emergency, Yeah, I was saying.
It was like I was like this is not built
correctly or like like something's wrong. But anyway, those were
my concerts.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
If you pivoted to architecture, I would say, sleigh.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
See, And here's the thing is, like I have no
idea how to fix the whatever problem it is they
think they have.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
But the people who work there and get paid for
it for that, no, and they're not doing anything about it.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I don't know. I don't know if you were at
those hard rock shows or you know someone that was
you know what I'm talking about, Like it was like news.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
It was so it was news.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Also, Oh, Gracie Abrams opened up for Taylor and eras
crushed and can I say the most beautiful person.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It's crazy, Like, uh, I think it was. Anne Hathway
recently was asked like, who should be on the cover
of Vogue and she said Gracy Abrams. I said, yep,
that is a face for the cover of Vogue.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Hair body face for you. In the words of Ali.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
All Tea, really all.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Tea body, tea face, tea.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Voice, tea songs, tea lyrics, T.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Can I say something stupid? What I might say something stupid?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
I might say something stupid.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Dental ty, She's got a chic set of teeth. That's
all I'm gonna say.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I mean, it's like, if if they could tell me
you can take the substance and look like Gracie, I'd
be like, it's worth it to turn into monstro Alyssa
Sue for the days I could look like Gracie Abrams.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Oh if I could write I love you I'm sorry,
I would take the substance and become monster. Lisa Sue.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
I listened to it five times a day. If you
told me that if I listened to it again, I'd
become monster. Alicia Sue, I would have to listen to
it again. I'd be like, Oh, I'm s.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Thank god there's a new album about being obsessed with
someone before you even fucking meet them. That's what I need.
And wait that it worked out and then Crazy Girl.
It worked out. Sure did good for both of them.
I say, Paul's been looking really good to In the
lead up to he was wearing this cardigan the other

(48:09):
night on a British late night show. And isn't it
something every time he like is addressed as a certain way,
it becomes a story thing.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
So many people doing that Halloween costume of him, like
standing outside with the groceries after he was at the
gym in the little hat.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And it's he is a back of sweet cream. So
a lot of these gay guys out here taking paperback
to sweet creat Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Wait, I have to tell you the culture that made
me say culture was for me? Now I have to
redefine my answer. It's Amelia de Moldenberg. I have become
my with Chicken Chop Date and the Chicken Chop Date
with her and Andrew Garfield. I say, it's my Roman empire.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It's your rooman empire, It's my Roman Empire.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I I love watching love and that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's what it is. It's that is. Can I say
like flea bag level just in terms of two people
having chemistry and you're witnessing like something going on, You're like, WHOA,
what is this? Well?

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Did you see someone compared it to fleabag on TikTok? Really? Yeah?
Someone goes it's like that when he's telling her like
that he sees like the strings being pulled in her mind,
like he knows like her approach, and she says, stop,
I knew you would do this. I knew you would
do this. And he's like, what that someone sees you
and says and calls it out. Someone on TikTok was like,

(49:40):
this is like the moment in Fleabag when he calls
her out for talking to the audience, like, yeah, this
thing is. She doesn't think other people will notice, and
he's like noticing it or calling it out. It's like
it's not doing that moment of like someone seeing you.
Oh my god, I'm saying it out loud, like it's truly.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
It's lesson in chemistry with Brie Larson.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Amelia We love you, Amelia Reader.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Can I say something? I immediately got on the DMS
well I was like, Hi, I'm a massive fan, Like
play me already talking like a massive fan, like massive.
We connected and Amelia, you know you have a seat here, open.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Invite anytime you want to come on. She she's a
great vibe. She came to an SNL a few shows ago,
really and we got to we got to hang after
the at the after party. She is so so fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I also want to say about her unreal fashion sense,
like she looks good every time, like ten, like you
see her at any events. She's dressed, perfect.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Hair, body, face, tea for sure. I mean the hair
is always perfect. The makeup of the face, I mean,
her nose, her eyes, just just that perfect face. I
love Amelia. Sorry, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
To say nothing of like how fucking hot he is,
and that being an element of the fact that, like
the date between the chicken chop date between them, you're
just like watching two adorable people be adorable. It's like
watching puppies. It's like it's like serotonin, you know what
I mean. Like they should bring that video into like
places where people need some joy. Bring it into the

(51:16):
retirement home, bring.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
It into the rehabilitations that ever Finchy checked in.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
My Make a Wish. One day, I just want Amelia
and Andrew to talk to each other in front of me,
just like, come come to where I am and let
me curl up in a ball, and I just want
to watch them talk. Please, guys, please.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
You might have to pull a Finchy and lie about something.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I would I would pull a finchy oh god, what if?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
What if?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Bowen? The twist of this podcast was everyone realized that
like one of us was lying and or like you like, yeah,
like you're not gay? Well can I've been saying about
you for a long time.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
That's a theory document I've written about this. This is
not that uncommon, like don't you know, like friends, like
there is like a gay urban legend in our generation
now where it's like, oh my god, there's this one
guy who was married to this doctor and then the
doctor would get up and go to work and then

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like after years of being married, the person finds out
that they never were a doctor. They would just drive
and go to a parking lot and sit there for
eight hours and then drive back home. Like the shit
like the personality disorders are out are are out there,
and they always So what you're saying is there's a chance.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
So what you're saying is there's a chance, like we
could still get that from this podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, Well, there's finches everywhere, and you never know when
the Finchy bomb is gonna blow up.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
The Finchy bomb, Like, honestly, you know what's crazy though,
it's like am I gonna go here? Yes? Or why not. Sometimes,
like you get to know people in the industry where
sometimes people are just that weird, you know what I mean.
Like sometimes you're like you could you could have been
in the Gray's Anatomy writer's room, and like she's like

(53:12):
an idiosyncratic, like weird person. But like a lot of
people are, you know what I mean, everyone as coworkers
that you're like, Okay, that person, what the fuck? Like
wigs me out a little bit. You just never think
they're going to be pathological, a harbinger of doom.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, total harber too.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Did I use that correctly? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Absolutely, I just I.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Just yay, yay.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I'm talking about producer Becka's costume.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Oh my God, which will actually dovetail nicely into my
I don't think so, honey, Okay. Producer Beca's costume was
one of the best ones I saw on all of
the Internet, which we all get on to see people's costumes.
So this was a place where you could see them
all and becha stood out. She was love ball Chapel.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Roon Statute of Liberty in the Statue.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Of Liberty in the Green with the blunt everything, and
it was production value.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
It was accuracy. It was energy match. Get on, get on,
you have to give a speech and give remarks.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Oh my god, how did you feel in the costume?
When did you decide to do it? How did it
come together? And more so, about a week or so ago.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I decided to do it because I had been Hollween's
are my favorite holidays. I just love to glance progress
this and my boyfriend and I were trying to decide
what we were gonna do with our dogs and decided
to make one of them Midwest Princess.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Chapel, and I love that album.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And so then I was like, okay, we love Ball Chapel,
and my boyfriend was boiler Room Charlie.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Chica went viral. Obviously she was brat.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Oh felt more like.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
A celebrity handler in my life, Like people were just
stopping us taking picture.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Of Chica because you looked like her.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Well that was for earlier. We did the Fort Green
Dog pumpkin contest.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And so I need to go to one of the
literal brat. Oh my god, And so she's crowd favorite
him winn.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Who the fuck one?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Baby bell cheese.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Okay, that's pretty good. It was it was.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
It was really cute because there was a whole reveal
they like took off the wrapping.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
It was I'm pretty good with baby bell Cheese winning
the award, but it.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Was definitely crowd favorite vibes because we couldn't get out
of there, like people were like, you were mobs. We
ended up on New York Nico.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh, that's the wind, New York. That was the wind.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
But oh my boyfriend brought it over.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
The per Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
But then the Chapol costume, I was like, okay, I
was at abercanaber if you know, you know in New York.
I bought the same little statue Liberty fire thing, and
of course, but then I like hunted all over yes.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Roll.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
But then I hunted around Times Square after a recording
in the city and was like, okay, I bought like
the classic New York crown. And then I was like
zooming on Chapel's charms. I was like, oh, she literally
just like bought a bunch of New York charms and
put them on a necklace.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
So I did.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I bought the exact ones, put them, built them, put
them on the necklace, and then I watched probably a
billion YouTube videos on how to do drag makeup.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
I mean, I do make up really well. I did incredible,
But on brown skin.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
You know you're like, okay, it's yeah, it's like and
you also have to think color theory. Okay, green isn't
gonna look green on me the same way it looks
on chapel. So I'm mixing the whites, the blues, the greens.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I do it.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
And my friend has this yearly costume contest Halloween party.
She's like a curator like event planner, and so it's
always gorgeous, always fun. So I was like, I'm coming
to win.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yes, I'm coming to win.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I want it was a purfect Wow, you did what
she could never do. That's true and her mother, yeah, yes,
but it was. It was much.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I wish I had more places to be to be
out longer with the makeup on, because it did take
me like four hours ado right, But and the outfit.
I really wanted to nail the out but I was like,
I don't have time. I don't have time to make it.
I spent too much time making.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
I thought it was there.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It was absolutely.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I was like, if I get the makeup right, people
aren't gonna give a.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Fuck that I don't have that skirt.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
That's that's doing all the work.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
It was costing a lot at this point, I was
like adding it up and I was like, I can't
buy fabric for this.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Are you comfortable saying your handle? Yes, it's the bes
P E. C. C. S. Ramos R A M O.
S follow producer Becca to see her chapel, wrong costume
and more.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
And more, and teaches Brat costume, just Brack costume.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
New York Nico featured Brat costume. Becca has already cast
aside her prior sort of a calling card, which was
saying the dings and the dongs of the iconic four hundred.
It was only a matter of time before you transcended that.
And look, it's costume winning, Becca Ramos. Everyone's winning awards.

(58:26):
Everyone's winning awards.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Everyone's really winning awards. This bodes really well for the
future too, because once you start winning, sometimes you just
don't stop.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
We haven't stopped, as the show has proved.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, that's right, that's right, thanks, Becca, We love you
all right. Well, I think it's type I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I don't think so, honey. Is a segment that we
do on this podcast where it's one minute ranting and
railing and rocking and rolling against something in culture that's
been our gears. And I've got something to say about
the discourse. I don't have anything really prepared. I just
have emotions.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Okay, sometimes that's more than enough.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, I think it will be.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, this is Matt Rogers is emotion forward. I don't
think so, honey. As time starts now, I.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Don't think so, honey. If you have anything negative to
say about Chapel going up to that paparazzi and saying
that he was disrespectful to her, she walked up to him,
she said, you were disrespectful to me. She said, you
owe me an apology, and he, I guess didn't give
her one. She went back to her spot and post.
If you think she was being a brat, just fuck off.

(59:37):
She's allowed to do whatever she wants. Also, it's iconic
that she did that.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
I'm iconic.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Don't you want your pop stars to be a little messy.
Don't you want them to be confrontational? Don't you want
them to be dynamic and compelling? The way that Chapel
roan is why are you shouting at Chapel roan to
be like everyone else? I don't think so, honey, shut up,
stop mi in Chapel. You don't own Chapel. Chapel is

(01:00:03):
a participant in democracy, Bitch. She is out here saying
her opinion, giving everything by what she can in her
industry and feeding the economy. Bitch. Leave Chapel alone, and
that guy does how her an apology? I don't think so, honey,
fucking shut up about chapelone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
That's one minute. Imagine a world in which you had
this self respect that this person does, and if you
were confronted with if you saw someone who you felt
wronged you deeply, what would it feel like to have
that courage to walk up to them and be like, Hey,
I really didn't like when this thing happened. You owe
me an apology. That would be incredible. Think of all

(01:00:43):
the other possibilities that would open up in your life.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
People can't stand that she sticks up for herself and
won't apologize for it. People can't stand it. And I
get that not everyone likes her. Guess what, that's good.
Maybe we shouldn't be just like giving a whole but
a Smorgasborg off like vanilla annoying, whatever's that? Like all
robotically say the same shit, like I'm happy that there's

(01:01:07):
someone super compelling and outspoken and talented as fuck out there,
Like stop thinking of her as an influencer. Start thinking
of her as a human being, Like, stop thinking about
her as something that's just to be like, you know,
directed from She's someone to be listened to, but you don't.
It's not like she's like wields ultimate power. Leave her alone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
It's that. And also she is not customer service.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
No, she's not customer service.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And I don't know, I felt like we were kind
of just coming out of this era of like everybody
policing each other's morals.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
It's like, oh, it's worse than it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
It never works. Never if you chastise someone like that
in that way on that scale, it never ever ever
yields the outcome that you that you would want in
that sort of scenario, like leave the fuck alone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I just hate watching all this energy go towards that
when we have such a crazy fucking villain out there
in the world right now, And I get that the
reason people are upset with her is because they feel
like it's some deterrent towards like, you know, stopping.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Trump, civic disengagement or something exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
And my thing is just like if we can have both,
then all we're gonna have our directives from someone that
tell us what to do and when to do it.
And that's also really bad. I just hate watching us
fall apart like this because we're not seeing like the
forest for the trees a little bit, like all of
this can be true, Like she can be an imperfect,
incredibly talented artist who yes, sure has influence, but is

(01:02:45):
not like, didn't ask for that. You're the one demanding
authenticity of her. She gives you that, and then you're
upset and make it about a million other things. Meanwhile,
it's like, I don't know, it's it's it's really frustrating
to watch us just fall apart online because there's it's
we really, we really are looking right in the face

(01:03:06):
of dictatorship. We're looking at right in its face. This
is not perfect, what I'm saying, but like, no, no, no,
I just I don't it's holistically frustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I don't quite know what to say either.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Unfortunately, I hope everyone votes. I hope everyone does the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Right thing period. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Yeah, that's that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
That's all bowing. Do you have any things one I have.
I have one that's much less urgent, but is grinding
my gears a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
I mean, it didn't need to be urgent. It's just
like I just I feel like that the energy like
projected at her for this red carpet thing is like
about other things. Yeah, And I'm like, just okay, So
you don't like her like then then this, then don't
listen to her music whatever. She's not like, she's not begging.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
To be faced, So everybody just get off the internet
a little bit more, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
One hundreds see do you see this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
For some reason, the this kind of went around like
it was an interview with Stevie Nicks or something where
like she talks about how at some award show like
Katy Perry like showed her what Twitter was and how
like stan Twitter was kind of works ye wild and
how it works, and Stevie was like, I don't have
the Internet on my phone. And then Katie knows, well,
like who are your rivals? Who are your rivals? And

(01:04:21):
then Stevie goes, I don't have rivals I have friends.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Katie Perry took another one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I mean, at this point, it's like it works retroactively
to your like this woman, did she ever get it?
I don't know. I think she did for a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It's certainly in question now in a way that it
never was. But like it was just wild to watch
Katie get another wall up from Stevie Nicks. Then the
year's coming to an end and she got walled by
Stevie Nicks, Like, hey, a Halloween October surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Oh bitch, why are you showing Stevie Nicks Twitter? Don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Don't ask Stevie Nick, who are your rivals?

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Shut up?

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Oh sure I can, I say, I'm gonna tell that story.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
So I show up to Thursday. I was given the
honor of being in the proms with Ari and Stevie.
I show up on Thursday and I have to walk
over to the wardrobe department as Stevie is getting off
stage from her soundcheck, and I kind of like her.
Coterie was kind of like working the way through, and
then I like peeled, I like kind of hid behind
a doorway to like make way for her. And then

(01:05:30):
I hear a voice where she goes, you don't have
to hide from me, Bowin, and I was like, oh
my god. And then she like comes up to me
and she has these insanely surreal things to say to me.
But then the thing that stuck out to me was
just because you're asking who her enemies are, who her
rivals are, she goes, when you did that thing with

(01:05:51):
those spotted lantern flies. I thought that was the funniest
thing because I hate them. And then she she talked
about how she her life is just stomping out those
lantern flies. They are very vicious, vicious, and they're jumping
and they're their their reflexes are getting better. Unfortunately, see,
this is not what we need. Stevie Nick's rivals are cocaine, Lindsay,

(01:06:14):
Bucky Later.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yep. Is that a real culture? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
But Trumber seventy four. Stevie Nick's rivals are cocaine and
lantern flies. Okay, I haven't I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
This is bowing Yang's I don't think so, honey. And
if you believe it, his time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I don't think so, honey. Lady Gaga's return to pop
quote unquote, this is Chromatica erasure? What does that make Chromatica.
Chromatica is one of the best pop albums of the
last decade. I don't understand. I don't think it's necessarily
Gaga's camp. I think Gogan interviews is mentioned like this
return to pop music, but it's like she wasn't away
from it that long. Maybe Harlequin counts as like a detour,

(01:07:01):
but we're even talking about it to six point five.
It's like, we need to make sure that we consider
Gaga a pop artist and that she is one of
our best chameleons. But let's not erase Chromatica. Chromatica is
top to bottom spectacular. I'm getting really emotional because that
is a very important album to us, especially coming in
going through the pandemic. I don't like this thing of like, oh,

(01:07:24):
like this is a return to form, to like Born
this Way, Born this Way is an amazing album. Our
Pop is an amazing album. Jo Wanne is an amazing album,
and Chromatica is a more recent amazing pop album. Don't
erase Chromatica.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
And that's one minute. I have been confused as well.
I'm like, Chromatica was your pop We just saw the
chromatica ball tour like we just saw it. What do
you mean she's returning to pop? Like we just saw
her in a stadium. We're doing stupid love? Like, what

(01:07:58):
did you think that was class? What did you think
that was?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
What did you think that was?

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Was nine one one? Country music? Was it not? Pop? Dance?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Was a thousand doves? Chinese?

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
It was a Chinese or something? Was it Chinese music?

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
You know Chinese music? Say Chinese?

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Is your favorite Chinese song? You know my favorite Chinese song?

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Teresa Tang?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Teresa Tang? You do? Can you do your rendition of
Teresa Tang's biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Hit, knee when well, I no, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
That was so good. Please keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Knee when well? Iodush? What iinyotingsin? You don't die? Your
gorgeous song? Oh my god, it's called the Moon represents
my heart. Everyone listened to it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
The moon represents my heart. I felt that was true
watching you perform in that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Moment you put me on the spot. That was that
was vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Sometimes vulnerability opens the door to true greatness. And I
think that what you just did is a great example
of why Lost Culturistas is an award winning podcast and
why we picked up the Signal Award for Innovation and Podcasts.
And it's really why I'll be standing up on stage
next to a stair parrel holding a trophy, waving and smiling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
You and a stare did not share the same space
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Or if she refuses to speak to me, oh my god,
she's like, she looks at me. We meant, I'm like,
highest there, it's so nice to meet you. What a
great night. She looks at me and she goes, I
don't like you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I don't like you at all, said drops the drops
the Belgian French accent. I don't like you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
I don't like you at all. You still see you
out there doing your thing. I don't like you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I'm ashamed to be sharing this award with you. You
know what, I think she would have a lot. I
think if you guys really had a moment and got
into it, I would listen to the fuck out of
her talking about specific people with you. That's all, specific people,
A specific person, a specific person. Anyway, the jump scares
keep a coming. It was spooky Halloween town vibes when

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we were traveling recently.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's all, well, uh, Halloween town. Oh my god, you
know what I almost did my I don't think so,
honey on and I thought you would have appreciated this,
but I ultimately I didn't think I could speak to
it enough for a minute. It's just something I don't like. Okay,
the Halloween font. And you know what I'm talking about. Wow,
that like spooky, scary, drippy font, like that Monstersey font.

(01:10:55):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Like the Goosebumps logo.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Yes, the Halloween font. Anyhow, I love the Halloween font.
What It's so fun?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It's different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
You used to be so chic, girl. You have lost
it all. I don't know what happened to you. You
used to be so fucking chic and such a legend.
You've fallen no longer. Now you're a Halloween font lover.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I love Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I'm with Becca, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Halloween always stakes up on me in so many ways,
but especially this year especially, I'm like, oh, I love
this time of the year. And you know what, the
only reason I haven't been able to get into Halloween
as much in the last five years is because of work.
And I am excited for a day soon and then
near future in the next few years. One short day,
I really stretch out my legs and limbs in October

(01:11:45):
and I'll fall, really because I love fall travel, i
love going to see the leaves change. I'm excited to
have time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
We just went to the most insane haunted house we've
ever been to. We can't say where, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
It was crazy. Oh the production value wof that was legendary,
legendary legends.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Before we go and sing us out, please vote, please vote,
please vote, Please vote for Kamala, Please vote for Kamala.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
In the words of voting rights activists Stacy Abrams, once
i'd may disappoint. The other side intends to destroy, and
it's hard to make it a nuanced thing. It's hard
to make voting in this election nuanced in the way
that we would like it to be when it is
a literal binary. Unfortunately, I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
We've shown that we can have these conversations, and that
we will have these conversations and they'll go in all
different kinds of ways. But ultimately, I just hope that
we do everything that we can to protect each other.
Let's just protect each other here, Let's just think about
each other. We end every episode with the song and

(01:13:00):
every episode of the songs.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Burtile Affair we conscted there Hello, won't change the weather,
won't change the weather, won't change the weather.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
No, I don't know what I'm crying for.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
How don't No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
By the way, the walls in my apartment building are
so thin. I'm in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Stop on the wrist.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Finally, man touches me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Last. Culturesis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money
Players in My Heart Radio podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yank. Executive
produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sani.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Produced by Beck Ramos, editing mixed by Doug Bamimnika Boord and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Our music is by Henry Kobersky. Hey everybody, it's me
Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets are on sale now
to see me on tour, the Prince of Christmas Tour,
that is, I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard
of Christmas? Plus a lot more with the whole band
all throughout December. Go to www dot mattrogersofficial dot com.

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See me in a city near you