"She Suffered... And She Is Still That Girl" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look man, oh, I see you? Why? Why? Oh? And
look over there? How is that? Culture? Yes? Goodness? Lost culture?
Where to begin? Who am I looking at? Sometimes I
have to look twice this new person in front of me.
What are you feeling? If you did not know me,

(00:24):
if you were in a terrible accident, lost all your memories,
your your hippocampus was rash, mother, Connie racked campus, racked
in an accident, and if you saw me for the
first time, listen, I didn't want to talk about the
hair that much. But what do you expect? I have
to react to stimuli? Please, Okay? So then what do

(00:45):
you think of this person? I would think fatal. I
would think I see Sharon Stone, basic instinct, pussy Barren,
ice Pick, Wheeldon, troublemaking, fem fatal of the Sharon Stone ilk.
It's giving me a little bit unapologetic Slytherin hon it's

(01:07):
saying Draco, fuck it. You walk into a room and
Draco Malfoy drops the fine china he's holding. He says,
who the fuck is my sister? It is giving me
high impact, it's giving me shock, it's giving me lightning type.
It's giving me everything I need and more girl, Thank you.

(01:30):
How do you feel? I think it's all I think
it's giving is corn silk I mean my corn silk
era one of the best eras to be in, and
it's actually goes chars art era, and then you go
to your corn corns. That's actually the evolution. When the way, bitch,
when do you think you'll be in your corn silk era?
Are you in it already? You know? Perchance? I am bo,

(01:53):
per chance? I am what? How are you doing? Let's
talk about you. Well, I actually tested positive for the
novel coronavirus. Thank you. It's so it's so interesting that
you and I are. I'm sorry to kind of no,
but I love that we've all agreed as a culture
that we will no longer use the well no, we

(02:14):
will no longer use the valerie cherished, I got it.
Or to announce that we have no no no, I'm
saying it clearly because we need more clear information. Okay,
this is what we're all saying. We need more clear information.
So I'm going to be as clear as day when
I say I tested positive for the novel coronavirus parentheses
O Macron's version, and I have to say I stand

(02:39):
here and I've done a dance with the devil, and
it has ended with us both bowing to each other
and leaving the dance an honorable dance. It was an
honorable dance she gave me. She gave me a tango
dance with her. She doesn't let you out of her grip.
She leads, she leads, you follow, and you think you

(03:00):
lead in this. No, no, no no. There were two
days where she had me shivering on the couch, doll.
She had me shook, as Lisa Barlow would say, and
we'll get into it, I'm literally shaking. That was that me,
was me on the couch we should be using in
order to signal that we have COVID. I'm shaking. I'm

(03:22):
I'm literally shook. On the phone right now, COVID Test
Center number six, honey. So we have both danced with
the devil since our last episode, so much has happened.
You had COVID, I had COVID. I had to cancel
the whole rest of my shows. Do think about that?
That was that did not feel good. Was a different

(03:46):
world she got. She warped herself there at the end,
and I think you and I ended it on a
very lovely, enriching note in a very perfect place and
a place that I think we love and are and
are very connected to for the rest of our lives.
That was Mako City, Meko City, c Dmax. You know,

(04:10):
it really came through. It really came through. We loved
it all, didn't we. There's not much more to say
say that. There was just so much too discover and enjoy.
And if you had to give trip highlights, I think
mine would probably be drinking in the canals. We drank
at um yes Hochi milco um, perfect, perfect experience. Matt

(04:34):
hadn't asked the Mariachi band if they knew any Beyonce,
and I did ask them, and I was given the
look I should have been given, and that the look
that anyone should jet when they ask a mariachi band
in Mexico do they know any Beyonce? It was less
a thing of I legit wanted Bowen to ask, so

(04:54):
that it was sort of will Bowen asked them, do
you guys know Beyonce? And I just wish I had
taped it, because he did, and he did receive a
look similar to the one he is describing. The guy
was like no, no, no, we don't. All right now,

(05:17):
I'm holding up the gangar slash Hunter that Bowen. It's
a stuffed animal pokemon that Bowen bought on the canals.
It's actually I see what they're doing now. So it's
a it's a haunter that looks suspicially suspiciously like an axlotl,
which is native to Milo. But I think what they're
doing is the feet are actually the hunter's hands, and

(05:39):
then the thing at the side is just hunters the
rest of Hunter's head. Oh wait, I hadn't looked at
it like that before. Get a screen grab of this,
because now now I want people to understand what we're
looking at here. Okay, so these and these very much
like its feet, but actually they're his hands. Yes, you
know how Hunter looks like what Hunter looked like. You're

(06:00):
so right. I hadn't thought about that before them anyway,
it's really giving feet anyway, it's giving feet. The one
bought that on the canal itself. People just will sort
of row their boat up to the side of your
your boat and make transactions. It's really a wild scene.
It's a wild scene. And then other trip highlights included
the food um, the neighborhoods, the history, and we went

(06:27):
to Freeda's house. We went to Freeda's house. She suffered
in her she suffered very much. And the museum is
a testament sort of to her art. But also they
really let you know she suffered. Yeah, this was the
bad where she suffered, laid pussy up, yeah, and suffered
and suffered. She suffered over here, she suffered over there.

(06:47):
She suffered in the kitchen, she suffered in the living room,
she suffered in the gardens. She suffered everywhere all around
that house. Girl. But do you know what room I
loved in that house? Tell me what room? The room
where she took photographs of herself and then they put
photos like she took selfies on beautiful film and she
like it was they weren't selfies, but they were just
like she posed for photographs in a way that was

(07:09):
just like, Oh, that person has stark quality. She was
that girl, you know what I mean? She even though
she suffered so hard and so much, she's still managed
to be that girl who is like that now, like
someone who suffered, but it's still that girl. I want
to say, Malala Malala, Yes, she definitely suffered in similar

(07:35):
akin to Frieda, Patty Harrison. Patty Harrison has suffered, and
she is that girl. She is that girl, she remains
that girl. Who else, um, I would say, damn, I
would say, you know, you know who Bradley Jackson, Bradley,

(07:56):
these are all free as she and she still that
girl that was top of mine. Because congratulations, congratulations to you,
and will congratulate the third graders, but yes, go So
the reason I found out that The Morning Show was
getting renewed for a third season was because Bowen tagged
me and the incredible website Instagram dot com, and I

(08:19):
saw that I had attacked from him, and it was
in I was tagged in the announcement that the Morning
Show is going to be renewed for a season three.
I put it on my story. I have never received
this outpouring of support. I have never received this response
from putting a story up. Everyone is in my d
ms celebrating the third graders getting this new job. And

(08:42):
I have to say, if I only knew that I
had so much family out there that also watches The
Morning Show, and if I can be even a conduit
for them to experience this television, you have started a
movement and not like we will continue this show for
seasons four, season five. We're seeing them all the way through.

(09:07):
We are going the distance. The third graders are no celebrating,
and a lot of people have questions and they're saying,
the third graders become fourth graders. I think yes. The
staff remains the same. They're not being held back. No
the school like I'm saying, like in the school system,

(09:27):
like no one and no administrators gonna think no, no, no, no, no,
no no. They're very behind in math. No, they've not
gone to a single math class this year. No, their
careers started, thank you. Their career started when I started
having incredible success. You're doing math. I wasn't doing math

(09:50):
anymore to this height. Once I got to this height,
I wasn't gonna see you. What are science Forget it?
The third graders have started their professor stional careers. Drop
everything and read more like drop everything and break this
season right, more like drop everything and right because you've

(10:10):
you've exemplified your talent and your gift. And they have
a gift for storytelling. These writers, the way they break
story is so crazy, and if you think for one
second that end Just Like That isn't getting a second season.
They might not be. You're deeply mistaken. No, you're deeply mistaken.

(10:31):
And now there's been reports. You've seen the reports, right, well,
I haven't seen any of these so called reports. Explained
to me. Explain to me how we're not moving forward
with the story. Carry Miranda and Charlotte explain similarly. On
the Variety Instagram page, there was a whole grid post
dedicated to this rumor that and Just Like That will

(10:54):
not return for another season because of the christ no
Ath allegations, which doesn't really that is the biggest of
bullshit I've ever heard. So you you just you you don't,
you don't. You don't believe it. The show will get
a second season because everyone is in love with Jadas.

(11:15):
There has never been a character there so so high impact.
It really is, do you think do you think we're
eating crow like since three weeks ago because we were
over here being like j d As is awful. We
can't stand this character between our legs saying cha is

(11:41):
an icon? Is an icon? Well, here's the deal. Sometimes
it's not what it's it's like what Geogon famously says, Well,
what you want to do is not necessarily what you're
gonna do, And what you might want to do is
say no, I don't like Chaya doesn't make any sense.
Jay is making everyone's life worse. I don't like anything

(12:05):
to do with Chay. That might be what you want
to say. What you're gonna do is watch cha. Shaddas
has got their finger in Miranda's puss in their hand
over America's mouth. Shut up, I'm here to say. And
Shade Diaz is fingering the television audience. And I was

(12:28):
gonna say, they have their fingers in all of our pussies. Oh,
you have no idea how finger and I feel whenever
Jay comes on the screen. It is so we watched
the last episode together, not the most well. We watched
one oh five we watched we watched the one that
the one that counted one oh five Tragically Hip, Tragically Hip,

(12:50):
which is kind of It's such a meta title. I
just love that as a title. The titles have been
giving I will say, okay, but the titles are making
me question how much of this is like camp like
in the way that it's like self aware about how
like crazy it is what we have to stop and

(13:11):
start realizing, is that this is not Sex in the City.
It's its own I know, I know, and I don't
think Sex in the City was too campy. It was fantastical,
I'm I'm saying, and just like that is camp because
we need you. I don't think you've talked about lt
W and Charlotte's Internet sesame streets. So can you please

(13:33):
explain this? Unfortunately, you actually will enjoy the show more.
And I give this to the readers. And you know
that I look out for you every single time, and
so I want you to start committing to doing this.
Every time Charlotte and lt W are in a scene together,
watch it as if what you're watching is the television's

(13:54):
program Sesame Street. It is. Simply, It's the only way
you can explain away the reality that those two exist
in is that they are muppets working together to teach
us a lesson. I got you a latte. I got
you a latte. Listen. I really want you to come
to a party. I would love to go to your party.

(14:15):
I love hanging out with you. Great. I feel the
same way. I'm going to get a party together and
invite you over the phone. Your husband will be there.
He sure will, and your husband and I guess we
should have guests, Um, the kids, Oh, I don't know
about that. How about all their adults. It'll be an
adult dinner party. All right, I'll call you my phone

(14:40):
off to myself. Now, I don't want her to be
the only black person there. I better invite another black person.
It's just so you guys, they're there. Scenes are their dialogue,
it's it's their dialogue in particular, but in the performance,
and there is something about each of those actresses performing
is that are like, what are you doing? First of

(15:05):
I mean, I don't know if I don't because I
believe in Nicole are Parker. I believe in her more
than what I'm seeing. I just hope that there is
a shoe that gets to drop with lt W because
you probably agree that scene or that episode where Charlotte
realizes that this woman is going to be the only
black person at her dinner party, and so she goes

(15:28):
out of her way to invite a black person that
that she knows like any old person to come there.
And then when like Shenanigans happened Toot the episode, they
sit down at lunch and she goes I invited that
person I don't even like to my house because I
didn't want you to be the only black person there.
What lt W has to say is, oh, I think
the same way about you protect trying to protect you

(15:50):
as a white person. Oh l o L sip of
RT scene ends as if a black person would ever
react to that way. I was just like, uh, like,
this is really just a chaotic cartoon in the world
of Charlotte, and maybe it got a little bit better
on this last episode, like there wasn't there wasn't much
interaction between them though, No, not even with them. I've

(16:13):
kind of moved on from from from them, like I
just been in the world of Charlotte, like her dealing
with her child's um, you know, impending transition here. I
have no idea what I guess I want to say.
I don't know who the show is for, but I
actually know exactly who it's for, and it's just probably
not for so many people that enjoyed sex in the

(16:34):
city that it's kind of just like, all right, I
guess we kind of just gotta move on from this one.
This is what I said to you at one point,
like I miss and I know this is not the
reason you should watch any television show, but I miss
when I would want to be like these women and
like there's you know, nothing aspirational and that's okay and like,

(16:59):
but I just feel like it was more fun to
watch when I took these women seriously and the and
the fact that like, and I told you as, I
think one thing that could solve so many problems just
for me personally, is if one of them was, like
I like, uh, one of Carrie, Charlotte or Miranda gets
fucking like dragged in the funniest way possible, like one

(17:23):
on the show. Not I like these peripheral characters, but
just like cussed out in the street by teenagers or
something like something. And I don't know, Like I think
it should be one of the new friends. And that
kind of happened with um Seema and Carrie when they
kind of got into it a little bit in the
first episode that we met Seema, And I think that's

(17:43):
the reason why that's the new friendship that's working for me,
probably the best out of all them, because it feels
like we've seen them go through something that's formative enough
where I believe a relationship is earned. There with like
Miranda and Dr Naya. Nothing about any of their interactions

(18:03):
up to the point where they were having dinner getting
really personal, was I like, yeah, I can buy this happening.
It was only Miranda being a damn flop in class,
just like putting like Naya in situations where she was
made to be uncomfortable. And then of course there was
that weird moment with the them the little chucky guy

(18:25):
on the subway platform, but I don't know if that
worked enough for me to believe like friendship between them. Also,
why did Naya get the only scene in like the
whole season so far, the only little like series of
scenes where she's just fully separated, like there's no real
connection to the core three women, Like it's just you

(18:48):
see if we're going on a date, like a double
date with you know, like this this this couple and
then fucking her husband in the next scene like give
her like a subplot, and it kind it was like
this is episode six of the first season and she's
just now kind of like they've cut to her family
a couple of times, but never like this, And I'm like,

(19:08):
I just wonder in the grand scheme of things, like
what is that leading towards like how does that connect back?
How does that connect back to the story, Like, are
you just telling a story about this woman? Because if so,
like just throwing her a scene every three episodes where
that happens like and now we're only getting into an
episode six is not like serving the character. It's just

(19:30):
distracting from a narrative you're telling. And they are telling
a story about Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte. That's the story
that they're doing. So how is this all serving it?
You know what I mean? My theory is, Um, she
ends up hanging surrogate and then Samantha and then she
comes back. See, because this is the thing, this is

(19:51):
the world of the third graders, is that it's sort
of like do I almost wish Samantha would come in
and be the surrogate? Yeah? I I will say out
of the actresses, Karen Pittman, Oh, there's nothing wrong with
with Karen Pittman. Everything right. The performances besides I'm sorry,
Kristin Davis and Um and then l TW like those

(20:15):
are That's the only thing that I'm like, what is
going on here? Like Miranda, Miranja and carry are giving
you like pretty cool, grounded stuff for the most part.
I mean, let's just say this, Miranda, Miranda Cynthia Nixon,
definitely she read on the page. Miranda gets fingered in
the kitchen and she said, okay, well, I'm gonna make

(20:36):
that a moment for everyone's life times and she barked
like a wolf into Sata Marez hand and she really
barked like a wolf. That's really the only way you
can describe the orgasm. Wolf bark, wolf bark wolf exorcism. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

(20:57):
The eyes are the freakiest part. It was horror film. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
It's to to train. It was choose your train that
had a zombie spirit. It was it was oh demon

(21:17):
train you. You won't get that reference. Some of the
readers will. Can I just shout out the readers. The
publicists who I got to meet through Final Fantasy fourteen
were the publicists playing the publicists. You have no idea

(21:39):
how many of the publicists are like hardcore m m
O RPG gaming right now, RP RP gaming whatever can
they ball? I am. I'm horned up for some of
these readers who like, we're helping me, giving me some items,
some equipment. I was like, the generosity here is really

(22:00):
earning me on. And I gotta say going on Twitch
was very fun. I only kept I only went on
Twitch when I had COVID. I don't know if I
will go again, um, because I think to have a
Twitch presence you need to be very consistent and I
can't do that. But it was very fun to stream
to like try on the streamer hat for a little bit.
It's a very fun community. People are very funny in

(22:20):
the chat. Matthew, you don't know what you're missing. These
readers have a lot of verve. Oh yes them, vigor
verve them vigor verve and voracity. What is voracity? I
feel like it's true, like the way something is truth

(22:41):
is true? Which is which also applies? Are you looking
it up? I can tell you are conformity to facts
and accuracy. I just wanted to ye. I love it.
I love I love calling the readers voracious. It's a
different that's tho, racioust not the ra what is spelling really?

(23:02):
And also I don't know, I don't people know. I
don't mean to be I don't mean to be one
of those people. I'm sorry you do to be that
I've gotten better over time. When you agree, I don't
care anymore about like sucking all that all that um
when when I speak and the readers know in their
heart what I mean, you are the most effective communicator,
one of the most effective communicators in the world. You

(23:25):
really are. I'm not joking. Thank you for saying that.
I try to be. You speak in people, your face
and honest girl, countless times the world the world over.
You are that. If anyone is v racious, it's my sister.
Should the title of that be veracious but spelled voracious

(23:46):
but spelled wrong? V I think we can we I mean,
we might find another one. You're so right. I just
want to quickly so that with that, Sorry, what were
we doing before the Shadow? I just want to close
a shout up by saying, I it was so fun
to play Final Fantasy fourteen, which, oh my god, Matt,

(24:06):
if you were a gamer, if you could sink in
all these hours, it's some of the best storytelling I've
ever witnessed in any medium. And walker Final Fantasy fourteen,
Oh my god. And there's just one villain in the
last expansion. It's like it's better than Game of Thrones.
It's better than Game of Thrones in terms of telling

(24:27):
a high fantasy story in a cohesive universe. Game of
Thrones like, I don't know, like I just I feel
like you lose the thread pretty easily. And for this,
this game does the thing of making you hooked even
as it develops more what never happens. Grace couldn't do it,
Desperate Housewives couldn't do it. They flopped lost, flop lost,

(24:50):
absolute flop and a half. So we don't even have
to talk about it. And just like that anymore, I
will say to keep things off on a positive, I
think the acting is half incredible, like Cynthia. If you're
going to be given that plot line, you gotta sell
like Cynthia Nixon does, and she fucking did s j P.
I'm just I could just watch or do annything and

(25:12):
carry Carry is the best part of the show, which
should should always be true, and at least that is true.
It's just kind of the the ways that the show
is trying to navigate one slash in a way that
I don't think it needs to. That's like bothering. This
is the thing I need to put out there, and
I text to do this as well before I know,

(25:33):
we want to end this on a positive now, and
we will because we're watching, we're enjoying. But I texted
you in that scene at the doctor's office with Jonathan Groth, like,
remember his character kept doing like little asides that were like, well,
my assistant finds that triggering or whatever the line was like,
and then it was just like it was just all

(25:53):
this stuff where it was like, I'm realizing that almost
every scene in this show has this low frequency of
like fear of saying the wrong thing, yeah, to an
audience of people who like are much more sophisticated than
any of the people in this world, where like, well,
I hope I don't get canceled for wearing a sorry,
you know, like that's right, and it's it's it's distracting.

(26:17):
It's so distracting and it really Yeah, it takes me
out of it, and then I like, don't take these
people seriously. I don't know. Yeah, I also part of
me just wonders like, if this is the way you're
going to flash them out into an hour long format,
then maybe they're sitcom characters, you know, maybe maybe we're
maybe we're just supposed to say, that's something I missed
maybe a little bit, is like that shorter twenty four

(26:39):
minute bite that it was, you know what I mean,
Like the character's got to be got to come in
and being a little bit more stock Like I don't know,
like if you're gonna flash out the characters like this
and develop them like this and they're gonna act like Charlotte,
it's like it just feels like cardboard versions of the
characters that we knew, which is weird because they actually
had the opportunity need to deepen them. Yes, and I think,

(27:03):
you know, like I said, I'm I know it's not
for me and probably a ton of people that watched it,
but to be positive about it, it definitely is for
certain people, you know what I mean, people having those
late in life, you know, I opening moments about themselves
and you know, generationally, like people like even though they're

(27:25):
in there like you know, mid fifties, like finally stepping
up for themselves and saying like, no, I'm unhappy, I
need to take steps to make myself happy. Definitely, I
think those things happen and are real and I'm happy.
There's so depicting that especially for women like someone posted
the other day, like, you know, there's women and the
Golden Girls were like younger than the women and just

(27:48):
like that, And isn't it great that we're like not
treating them like old ladies, Like of course, but then again,
it's like a lot of this is about how old
they are, you know what I mean, Like STV falling
apart at fifty five, and like people dying, it's a
lot of doom, gloom and death. And I'm just like,
I understand we're examining them at a different part of
their age, but like, let's still have them be fun.

(28:08):
And I think that there are glimpses of that in
the show whenever they leave back the doom and cloom
and let the characters have fun and discover their and
fun vibrant ways that are fun to watch. You know,
the show is cool, but when it's not like that,
which is a lot of it, it just gets hard
to watch. Speaking of Sesame Street, let's just really quickly
change one of the best shows. We're not disrespecting oh yes,

(28:31):
no no no, no, no no, no no no. We're saying
it's sex and the city doesn't doesn't belong on in
just like that. That's not all but totally thing, totally different.
Now I want to just I just I want to
bring this up because some of the readers wanted us
to talk about this. But what do you think of
this Elmo meltdown? Well, I'm team Elma all the way.
We're team Elma all the way. But it's like it's
like when you're when your friends, like you know, snaps,

(28:54):
sometimes the only option is to support them, especially if
they're correct. Look, here's here's the deal. So for people
that don't know, Elmo and Zoe were doing a scene.
They were doing a scene together. They were doing a
scene and um, they were being filmed for the show
Sesame Straight. And they were having lunch. They're having dinner.

(29:15):
They were they were eating, they were joining together. From you,
someone dropped off three cookies. Someone dropped off three cookies,
so they were gonna sit down to eat the cookies.
It's weird because there's a cookie in front of Zoe,
a cookie in front of Elmo, and a cookie in
front of this rock and Zoe is sort of referring
to the Rock as rock Rock is sitting rock Rocco, Rocko, Rocko,

(29:35):
the Rock is sitting there. He's sitting there. That's that's
his cookie, she says. So Almo says, that's not his cookie,
that's a rock. It can't eat the cookie. I would
like to eat the cookie if there's no one else
who wants it, if the cookie is just gonna sit there.
Because certainly, certainly Elmo thinks, Rocko the Rock is not
gonna eat this cookie, which so Zoe has the audacity

(30:03):
to be like, you know, to get upset and be like,
you can't eat this cookie. It's rock goes cookie. So no, Elmo,
and I think you and I at home are like
what world am I living in? Like are you kidding me?
So he starts vocalizing that like it's a rock, Rocko
the Rock isn't gonna eat the cookie, and he's getting upset.

(30:23):
Did you ever get to eat the cookie? That is
the craziest part of this whole thing. It's so twisted.
Naturally this blew up and is now trending online. Does
it happen on TV? It happened on TV, And this
is what happens every day on the Real Housewives, I guess.
But something about this is it's chilling because here's the Elmo.

(30:49):
It's Elmo who is the Kyle Richards of Sesame Street.
You know what I mean, Like you are that's our protagonist. Okay,
So there's no way you don't love her. And it's
not that you don't love Zoe, it's just this is
what this is the way I'm observing the relationship. Zoe
needs a lot of help. Kim. She needs a lot
of help. She's struggling. She's Kim and she really there's

(31:13):
a time to be there for your good sister, and
then there's a time to be like I have to
call out the reality right now and Elmo actually in
being honest and not allowing her to live in this
fantasy that the rock is gonna get eaten by rock
or the cookies gonna eat the get eaten by the way.
It's just so stupid. By when I can't even get
it out, I can tell you're frustrated, girl, work through

(31:35):
it with the people need to hear this. You have
to create a boundary between a person that believes a
rock is anthropomorphic. You have to period, what is that
gonna be our first rule culture? Yes, it's ruler culture
number forty six. You have to create a boundary with

(31:58):
a person who believe believes the rock. The rock has
a presence. Presence absolutely, that is what culture is built around.
Can you imagine if we disagreed on this. I can't
because you know why why You and I would never
be Zoe to each other, or you and I would

(32:20):
be almost to the other who was being a Zoe.
I would hope you would be an Almo to me
if I was talking so crazy that I said no, no, no,
bowen and to get upset with you. You can't eat this,
A rock is going to eat it. I hope you
would be Almo to me in that situation, that circumstance.
The line read of Elmo saying, he's yeah, it's panic,

(32:42):
it's he's pissed off. Can we just say, like, I
believe that things are going to come to blows? When
I see that scene, I'm like, someone has to someone
has to step in here. Where are the producers? Were
are the producers? Bravo? Bravo, fucking Almo. Something is going
on with Elmo and the culture. Just in joy, I

(33:03):
would love for Elmo to come on the podcast. If
Elmo came on and we just have a real conversation
with him, but what exactly the deal is there because
it seems toxic, unbelievably toxic. It's getting to him in
terms of like he's now he's acting out on other
TV shows like the whole balsamic vinegar thing on the
Tonight Show is like, really, I don't know what's going

(33:26):
on there. We won't be creative for you, but everyone should.
Everyone should go look up Elmo pronouncing polsamic vinegar if
you haven't already, it's he's, he's, he's he's unraveling. I
think that it's best to turn our attention to the situation.
And and because it's not him, it's the it's the
people that he's around. It's very Truman Show. I think

(33:46):
what's happening with Elmo because there are people there that
allows Zoe to exist with just kind of spouting this
conspiracy that Rocko the rock would need to be able
to eat that cookie if you even wanted it. Oh
my god, and we're talking about the feelings of a cookie.
I mean there's a huge problem. That's like, what is

(34:08):
that stage mom behavior, Zoe? What if Rocco doesn't want
to be on camera. I think that even now you're
you're going too far, You're going too far and even
approaching the fact that that rock could have any feelings
at all. And don't scare thank you and see, this
is what I'm saying. Don't. I will always keep you

(34:29):
on Earth, girl, girl, I will step in to say
you are being crazy. And it doesn't matter if I'm
looking around saying I don't like it here on Earth,
you go No, honey, it doesn't matter you're staying. I
have to tell you. I'm rewatching Jersey right now. A
lot of old real house eyes in New Jersey, and
I found the Everyone's like, what house life for you?
What house if for you? I found Who are you?

(34:51):
I'm Dolores, I am not familiar. I'm Dolores Catania. And
all you have to do is watch and you've always
been Renna though you you switch it. Can I tell
you something, Arena? This is what Arinna does. If Zoe
turns to Renna and says the rock, the rock is
gonna eat the cookie, Here's what Renda does. Okay, and

(35:14):
she goes to her girlfriends and it's like, you're not
gonna believe what she's saying. Now she is gonna take
it so far. And I would never do that. I
would say to you as Alma, I'd be like, it's
a rock. I don't know. The way the way Renna
supported Erica through all of this makes me believe that

(35:35):
if if Zoe were to go to Renna and was like,
it's a rock, it's a it's a it's an anthropomorphic rock.
This rock like wants to eat cookies, Brenna would be like,
absolutely it does. Of course it does, Babe. I'm like,
get out. We don't need that in the world. Stop. Stop,
stops what you're doing right now. I have to tell
you something. What you're giving me Erica with their yeah,

(36:01):
what does that mean you're giving me? Or what? Or
what what you're giving me in your new hair and
your blonde, shocking hair, you actually give me powerful, dangerous
Erica Jane energy because I thought to myself, if I'm Rna,
then his bowen and then I had to gasp, had

(36:21):
to go. I was afraid when I gasped, because I
saw a newer We're not criminals. She created a caper.
We are Meredith and Lisa. I don't know we're I
think we're Erica and Renna. You're at Lisa because Lisa

(36:42):
can't help herself and as someone who is ultimately so
lovable and wonderful, and you have to watch. I I
am fully team Lisa right now, but I'm Meredith, and
that I am like probably a little crazy, even though
I keep up like a cool demeanor, cool exterior, collected exterior.
I had great And you'll all notice at home that
we've sort of arrived at the topic of the Real

(37:04):
Housewives of Salt Lake City. And that was by design.
That was that wasn't em I think we're naturally going
from one subject, but in the naturalness of it that
it was by design. Because here we are, and I
want to say that Mary Cosby has left the world stage.
So I just wanted to say as a book end,
because we famously said, what day two of the twelve

(37:27):
Days of Culture, Miriam Cosby February something, November something two,
Miriam Cosby hits the world stage. It's the world stage
sort of January left. She has decided to exit the
world stage by not showing up to the Real House
of Salt Lake City reunion. This news has hit the
major media outlets, and I think that we can agree

(37:50):
that Salt Lake the same. Because Ding Dong of the
Witch is dead. We say, Ding Dong lost culture is
just calling no Darling ding the way which is dead
I had been saying. I mean, this is obviously satisfying
for me as someone who's been saying for a while
it's no longer been fun to watch her. What do
you think Why do you think she decided not to come.

(38:12):
I think because season she realized that she was going
to basically be sat down and confronted about being a
quote unquote racist in her case. I'm guessing like it's
and about the church stuff. She's just she's just incredibly
prejudiced person, and like she I think like she probably

(38:33):
can't answer for the way that her church members are treated.
She probably can't answer for almost anything she has said
or done, all of which have been negative, because she
acts as if she either is the most forgetful person
in the world or that it's something to do with

(38:54):
how ye're perceiving her. I don't know, I'm just literally
blabbing on and on. But no, no, no, I'm very cosby.
Like I mean, there's just every reason why she had
to go. But I do think it's interesting that it
really was us who sort of raised the flags for
her in the first place. And really welcome to her
into culture. And I think that there's a lot to
examine in our Absolutely. I will also take some credit

(39:17):
in us being some of the first, absolutely some of
the first people to say, hey, there's something going on here.
The tree is there, the tree is falling. Do you
hear it? Do you hear it? And it's really important
that we all agree that we did, because if one
person says I didn't hear it, then all of a sudden,

(39:37):
we're living in a world there's two realities because people
they just they believe whatever they want to They believe
whatever they want to believe. If someone says, I didn't
hear that tree do a fully inaccurate, yet insane Asian
accent impression, that really was something. Huh. It was kind
of shocking. I'm not like shocked by that, ever, when

(39:58):
someone does like, quote unquote an accent like that when
they attempt to, but there was something so like, oh
my god, you're gonna do that here. It was so
it was so it was truly shocking. I mean, there's
no other word for it. And I'm not terribly shocked. Usually, Yeah,

(40:20):
it really was shocking. And I also think you'd have
to believe so much about Mary's reality in order to
buy anything she says, because she knows she's being put
on camera, you know what I mean. Like, when she
decides to do these things like, she does them, not
just because she doesn't forget the cameras are around, She's
thinking about what she's going to project, you know what

(40:41):
I mean. Like, and the fact that she can so
easily go these places just says to me, like, actually,
this is a harmful person. This person doesn't care how
people feel. She to me, is in her just social interactions,
in the way that she manages conflict. Obviously someone who
doesn't care about anyone other than herself. So if this

(41:03):
is true, what else is true? She obviously is mistreating
members of her church. You see what kind of person
she is. She's a dangerous, toxic person who takes no
accountability and will do anything to get just something she
wants the w at the end of the day. And
it's just like for me, she is you know, it

(41:24):
was interesting to watch someone who is that sociopathic. But
I'm good not doing it anymore. Exit Exit Mary, which
is maybe that's time I love him to be honest.
Speaking of dead, Oh wow, that could go into such
a dark night. I just was I was literally just

(41:46):
trying to make a stupid segue of the power of
the dog. And then I did remember in saying it
that so many iconic people have passed away, and I felt, no,
it's a lot of a lot of people. Betty White,
Oh my god, that one hurts. That one hurts. For
some reason, there was a the algorithm gave me a

(42:09):
YouTube clip that was Betty and Lucille Ball playing password together,
and it was just like, Lucile doesn't give a ship
and hates that she's there, but Betty is, like, it's crazy,
how even on a game shot, like a stupid game
show like that, she was like a fucking legend icon
There's no overstating it. She No, she was, I mean,

(42:31):
such a giant for such a long time, and you know,
truly one of those people where across the bord appeal,
you know what I mean, like one of those last
messages of a time when that was even possible. And
think about if you were a star that early on.
And we know how far the entertainment industry has come

(42:51):
and how far it still needs to go in terms of,
like you know, the treatment of women, the treatment of
so many people. She had to have seen so fucking much.
She had to have truly survived a lot, and to
have that many lives in this industry is like, so
you know, unprecedented. I mean what she's started in like

(43:14):
the forties, like like basically like right as Hollywood like
became Hollywood did even like like you know, like maybe
like twenty years ago, someone twenty years older than her,
her senior like would have been there like as Hollywood
was starting up, but like she kind of like got
in right when it started to like be established in

(43:34):
a way already. Does that make sense? I think she
was the first woman to ep a television show. Wow.
Yeah and she and yeah like and her earliest sitcoms
were like just live TV because it was just like
how TV worked back then. I mean, Betty Bob Sagett

(43:55):
really shocked me. That was a bummer, um, like and
talk about someone who, like, I mean, he was really
talented because I think about like so many of the
reasons why you fell in love with full House have
to do with how sweet and gentle he was as
a figure of fatherhood, and how patient he was and

(44:17):
how communicative he was, and that was a really sweet
show that succeeded so much due to his specific talent,
and then to find out that he was so the
opposite when he wasn't doing that to me, just that
I don't know I did that. That's inspiring to me,
Like someone who was able to really um channel different

(44:39):
energies and just a great entertainer who like never got
painted into a corner. I mean, like, yeah, you're right,
Like it's not even about that, it's just about like
someone who embodies two different, diametrically opposite things. Yeah, in
terms of presenting themselves as an entertainer, and like he
was just so good at both of those, which probably

(45:00):
he was good at all of it. Yeah, he seemed
very very well mannered to me, you know what I mean,
Like he's like he knew that the full house thing
was a joke. He just seemed like Sydney. I mean, Damn,
I can't believe going through death. Nobody's been here. There's
been a lot, and it's been a bummer, like and

(45:22):
especially because it doesn't seem like, um, I don't think
it's well know and it's also it's not people that
pop culturally, you like barely knew you know, these are
like legends and well defined people in the public consciousness,
Like you know, Sydney Potter is a legend and I'm
gonna say Joan Didian, like I just absolutely and like

(45:47):
Babbit's like, I mean, there's got so many so many
crazy not crazy, just like wild, shocking not shocking. I'm
stone everybody, Um, just really like I don't know, sad
sad departures. Yeah, did you watch Being the Product? You did?

(46:13):
I did? Okay, what did you think of this film? Um?
I think you and I share a lot of the
same opinions that I actually didn't mind the writing. I
thought the writing was very fun and buoyant for an
Errand's working movie. The direction was the thing that was
most confusing, because I was like just down to like,
I don't notice direction that much, quote unquote the way
that a lot of people do. Like I think you

(46:34):
are someone who watched his film, and it is like
whoa Like I can tell what the invisible hand here is.
But I watched Being the Ricardo's and I was like,
why the fund is he on a wide this insane
wide of Lucy while she's just talking like dirty, like
over the shoulder too you know, Javier, Like, I'm like,
what is going on here? How did the movie? How
did this movie come together? And like post you know

(46:57):
that's the thing that is confounding me the best. Yeah.
I think in terms of the direction that there was
like half of it that I thought really worked. Like
I ultimately walked away from that movie thinking it was
a really smart, uh examination of a relationship, like a
relationship study if you will. Um, I definitely like felt

(47:17):
every beat of their relationships. So in that way, like
in terms of how you tell a story, like I
was getting that there were some choices of you know,
shots or devices that I just thought, do we need this?
Like and I'm talking about the entire device of the
cutting back like from the interviews, so that I just

(47:37):
did not think we needed that. And it was surprising
because it's almost like there's a starter movie or a
starter script that has that device and then at some
point it gets taken away because you just simply don't
need it. He's stuck with it the whole of the
whole way through. Sure did and um, I don't think
we needed that. And then there were some moments where
I don't know and just because he wrote and directed

(47:59):
it like I think you noticed this, and maybe it
just doesn't get the note. But there's some things where
I'm like, okay, so you're saying that the way. One
of the ways we see she's a comedic genius is
she knows to like flip the scene so that the
comedy is facing the audience, like you know what I mean. Like,
there's this big thing where she calls everyonmard to the
studio and she's like, we're staging the dinner scene and

(48:21):
she basically turns their chairs so she's like, actually, you're
gonna face the audience when you do the bid and
that will fix everything. And everyone's like, Lucy really are
a genius And I'm sitting there like something better than this.
Guy's something better than this. This is something that I
that I think we notice as we watch more things

(48:42):
is that it's very hard to call someone a comedic
genius in a show or a movie and then exemplify
it because it's it's just does that make sense? Like
it makes sense? It's so hard when you're being told
as an audience, remember that, um, this person is an
icon and what they do. Yeah, not but specifically with comedy, yes, yes,

(49:05):
like this person is the funniest, smartest person there ever was,
and then you do it limited to the to like
the restraints of like a film or a screenplayer, a teleplay,
like it's just it's hard. I can't think of times
when that's been done effectively. That being said, Nicole, Nicole

(49:26):
was amazing, does command herself well to that. And I
will say, ultimately, I actually really like this movie, and
I think it would be really hard not to vote
for her for Best Actress because she just the the
order was so tall. I mean this, the odds were
so stacked against her, and you leave that movie and

(49:48):
you're thinking, Nicole Kimmant is a fucking star. And if
I have one note for her, it's one that I
saw pointed out which I can't stop thinking about now
that I've thought out of it, is that when Lucy
was performing, her eyes were bigger and more expressive, and
there was just something internal that came out through her
eyes that I wasn't necessarily getting with Nicole. That being said,

(50:12):
she acted the funk out of that script and gave
you her speaking voice and gave you so much against
everyone saying she was the worst choice for Rice. So
I respect the house down, we love her, we love
Nicole Kittman here. Um I didn't. I never watched Child
in Chicago seven. I didn't see Molly's Game either. But

(50:34):
I feel like I like Sorkin movies where it's about
relationships instead of about a person. Like Steve Jobs. I
don't remember a single thing about that movie because it's
about like how Steve Jobs was an egomaniac, and like
it wasn't about his the way he related to other people,
and that's why, like it just doesn't register to me.
But like Social Network is one of my favorite movies

(50:56):
absolutely because it's about how this person is an egomaniac
but is so bad at interacting with every single person
who cares about him, you know. Like that, I like
that that movie also had an incredible director. And that's
not saying that Aaron Sorkin isn't a good director, because
I think there's a lot of what he does that
is effective. But some scripts, I think I would have

(51:18):
just really been interested to see what another director could
have done with this script, you know what I mean?
Like I don't know I took I took issue at
first with them the day sex Machina thing, in the
end of Jay Grew Hoover calling, but apparently that actually happened.
It don't actually happened. But also there is something in
that day sex Makina like that in the way it
feels in the moment, yeah you do, you are like

(51:39):
a little bit like yeah, yeah, But I don't know.
I loved, I loved, I didn't love. I really enjoyed it.
I like I put it on because during when the
virus was like peeking in me, I was like, I
might as well watch this movie. And I really enjoyed it.
I thought there was a lot of love. I love
Nina Arianda and as of yes, mean is wonderful or

(52:01):
as Vandvance who played Ethel, but she she was amazing.
I mean j K. Simmons was great, like and fucking
Javier bar Dam was great, wonderful, wonderful. But we we
have talked about power of the dog. We have talked
about power of the dog. Let's talk about power of
the dog. Girl. See, this is the thing is it's
like this is written and directed by Jane Campion, and
that woman knows how to draw a fucking line through

(52:24):
a story, and like, so I love this and from
the very first moment that the when the when the
screen cuts the black and the score begins that like
it sounds like it sounds like a rope is being tightened, Like, oh,
I didn't think that, and I'm this is I'm up
to twice. But when I'm in my set in the

(52:46):
middle of my second time watching it, it's better. The
second time is brilliant. So like the tension starts right away,
and then he has that voiceover. First of all, Twink
doesn't even begin to describe him like he's more than that.
He is super Twink. He's murdered Twink. He's murdered Twink.
But I think he's I think he's not even like Twin.

(53:06):
I think there's something, there's another there's something we're missing here.
But keep going. Well, he is, he's impact. So he
says in the opening monologue, he goes, it's my job
to protect my mother. What kind of man would I
be if I didn't protect my mother? Or what kind
of sun would I be if I didn't my mother?
Something like that. So and then the movie starts, and

(53:28):
from this when you know what happens in the movie
and how the plot unfolds, This is a brilliant script.
This is a brilliant movie, like Jane Campion and and
just talk about like a tall order in terms of direction,
those scenes with the cattle, the atmosphere, the fact that

(53:48):
they felt like the only people in the world the
whole movie, like the vastness of the where they live,
but also the small, intimate nature of the house. Like
the perform says, you and I re enacted, We're not
going to do this. Well, we can if you want,
but you and I reenacted Kirston at the piano because
that is I see, I've forgotten how to play Kirston

(54:12):
deserves it is her time. It is her time. I
was listening to her own Fresh Air today and this
is like from an episode weeks ago, but like it
just her her process with this movie is she's being
so generous with like what she's telling you know, what
she's saying in interviews about like how she approached this character.
I'm learning so much and does that so stupid? I

(54:34):
know about like what when it I just just how
someone does their job effectively. Just in general, she's she's
giving a glimpse into her process. It's she's so good
in this it's crazy. Yeah, you've mentioned the dream work
that she says she does. I think that's fascinating, and
you know, like just the relationship she discusses having on

(54:57):
set with Benedict, who I did drag did I don't
think so, Honey for being um, you know method on
set to the point where he didn't shower and had
to keep away from everyone on set. But I think
Kirsten wanted was avoiding him. I think that she was
really smart and the way she played it where it's
just atmospherically, she was not allowing him into her space
so that when she saw him, he was truly imposing

(55:20):
and scared her and made her anxious. And it reads
so clearly like how trapped this woman is and how
steadily more trapped she feels throughout the movie. I'm telling
you that ropes out the score. Yeah, the score should
win the just how tight they make the atmosphere feel

(55:40):
for her, because the movie is about her anxiety. The
movie is about how she is a she is a
like about to burst, she was about to break. Yes,
the way the scene is cut together, I guess, I mean,
if I can tell that it's like really good direction
on the same token is like if I can tell

(56:00):
that it's bad direction, then it's bad. If I can tell,
if I can tell it's good, it's good because I'm stupid.
The scene where she's practicing the piano as he's playing
the banjo, I'm like, this is incredible, just so scary,
and she's and they're both performing it so well. Yeah. Oh,
She's like, look, it looks so weak at the piano,

(56:22):
not weak, but just like vulnerable, and she's just like
trying to like learn this defeat defeated. I mean, I
mean like she she truly you genuinely. I mean, the
movie doesn't work if it's not a battle for her life.
So it's like, you know, her son and her new
brother in law are like literally at the end of
the movie, basically faced with they're on different sides of

(56:45):
the agreement of whether she should be happy or unhappy,
and you know what I mean, like and just the
way that the ending unfolds. Cody Smith McPhee. He's been
winning everything in terms of the critics awards, Like he
I mean, this is a performance you will always remember.
You will never forget him in this movie, Like it's

(57:07):
just a boy, You'll never forget. The hula hooping. The
specificity of that decision, like so much of it was
so like he made little paper flowers, do you know
what I mean? Like, I'm just like, this movie is
his movie is about a fagot. It is a faget
and the women they worship. Yes, honey, a fagot and

(57:30):
his mother. That's what's what should be called? Is that
I how to a fagot and his mother? Faggot? It
should be called Power of the Dog and his Mother.
Oh my god, we'll be getting so much trouble. No,
let's do it. Anyways, that movie was something. I need

(57:50):
to watch it again. I've been meaning to um Jesse too.
Jesse was great, Oh fab Jesse Plemons is he's such
a good actor. I mean just everyone from top to bottom.
But I'm telling you, like just this every decision that
they made, and I love when the score really feels
atmosphere like and that's so it's it's such an amazing

(58:11):
tool that I wish more movies would get more risky
with in terms of how to um strengthen the story.
Like I just it's I don't know, I just love
that element of it all. Did you feel as though
the Lost Daughter gave you as much excitement and passion.

(58:32):
I was very anxious. Another movie about anxious woman. It
is anxious times. It is anxious times, and literally Final
Fantasy fourteen is about like the world ending, and it
in a way that it's so like visceral and scary,
not like oh Apocalypse anyway. I'm just saying like there's

(58:53):
just a lot of like anxious content out there. I tried.
I tried to start Station eleven, and I just need
to I just need to go back to it at
some point. But I know it's brilliant and I know
it's wonderful and that and Tira Mariah is the genius,
but I need to just like not watch that, especially
after having watched Don't Look Up. Um okay, but sorry,

(59:13):
Lost Daughter. I really enjoyed it, loved I loved it.
I felt like I was Dakota at the end, you
were Dakota. She she just is my favorite type of
character in the film. Yeah, angry hot girl. She was
gorgeous in that. She was so beautiful in it. It
was so shocking and like, yes, you get it because

(59:35):
Olivia Coleman is there and you're like, yeah, that is
the girl. You stare out at the beach that is
the girl, like you know, and then when she comes
over and is like giving her attention, It's like it
is a little like part of me was like a
little like it was like a little psycho sexual for me.
I was like, I was like living. I really enjoyed.

(59:55):
I'm sorry, I'm just repeating myself. But like the so
apparently the end ending is different from the book. Huh.
So in the end she like spoiler alert, Oh people
make it mad. Well, I just let me just say
that the endings are different, um, but that the dull
missing really was giving me anxiety up to up to

(01:00:15):
the Favorite Pitch and in the in the in the climb,
and just in the in the sort of ending moments
of the movie. Well, something really smart that I thought
that Maggie Gillenhal did in order to create tension and
like irritation in every scene is in the In this
Anatomy of Seeing that that I watched on YouTube, she

(01:00:36):
was talking about how like the crying of the babies,
like the volume was never lowered, so like in the
scenes where like this the girls around and crying, you
hear it the whole time because it's like really important
in the movie that you understand like what it genuinely
is to be around a child and the responsibility of

(01:00:58):
being like sort of like irritated by that noise, but
responsible for that noise. May never want to have a child.
And I think that that was just I think Maggie
Jillen Hall fucking knocked this out of the part. She
is amazing and I can't wait to see more from
her as a as a writer and director. I mean,
come on Slam, which she wrote. Yes, it's based on

(01:01:21):
it's based on novel. But I mean, so she's she's
probably what's what else is adapted going to be? She's
certainly getting a words attention. Yeah, I think I think
she will be nominated west Side will be nominated for
adapted of course. Yes, well, she has the Best Director
nomination from the Golden Globe Awards. She didn't win, but

(01:01:41):
she is, like in that conversation. But in terms of
adapted screenplay, yeah, I mean I think Power of the
Dog is winning. Oh it was a book. Yeah, Oh
I didn't. Oh that's right, I knew this. I knew this. Yes, yeah,
so it's an adapted screenplay but anyway, um, yeah, and
then original is interesting. I mean, Don't Look Up is
definitely in that kind presition, as is being the Ricardo's

(01:02:01):
what did you feel about Don't Look Up? People are
polar raw polarized. I didn't hate it because I was
led to believe that it was like one of the
worst films ever made. But but then we're talking about online.
I watched it and the only big thing that bumps
me out is, well, you know, it's that thing where
I hate This sounds so annoying, but you know, it's

(01:02:22):
like people say, like satire is not effective. Saturny is
like a clarity of purpose and a clear target. Otherwise
it just contributes to the thing that it's trying to satirize.
I think that's textbook what this movie kind of like
falls into, where it's like it's being very cynical about
the cynicism of people, like and the way it shows
people cynicism is very cynical, and so therefore it just

(01:02:45):
contributes to the cynicism. And so you watch the movie
and you're supposed to and I know you're supposed to
feel like really bummed, like bummed oo, but um, I
just think there was no like the way it was
a political to me, made it have note teeth, and
I think I'm sure it wasn't Anima Kay's decision. I'm
sure he got notes where it was like you can't

(01:03:06):
alienate like a political party here. But performances were fun.
Um totally, it was kind of a mess, Like I
kind of I think I really enjoyed the parts were
like it felt like a broad comedy, like when are
like during orian a song and like the lyrics being
so ridiculous. I'm like, see, like now it feels like
an old Adam McCay movie that I love to watch,

(01:03:27):
And why can't it be more like that instead of this,
like I don't know, um dramatically or just totally tense,
convoluted thing. Yeah, I think that it could have like basically,
you'll agree with me when I say it just didn't
really have any heart, and so that made it hard.
And I completely understand in a script where you know,

(01:03:50):
characters are that cardboard, where that would be fine and like,
you know, we could sort of move through this as
a satire. But I also thought that there were moments
where we could have cared about the characters, or maybe
they wanted us to care about the characters and I
just never got there for any of them. I think
by the numbers, I think that script like it definitely
did what it was setting out to do. It definitely made,

(01:04:12):
you know, made me think yes. But also these are things,
of course I've already thought about a million times. I
feel like we've made this assessment before. But that could
just be because the media landscape is different now, and
we feel like Twitter, you know, it's so hard to
be on top of it that it was just kind
of impossible for this movie to be like exactly on

(01:04:33):
the nose, like nailed it um and so, you know,
admirable try. But the thing is, I guess I just
wish I cared more about the characters ultimately, because I
certainly was laughing. I mean, maybe it could have been
just a punched up a little bit, but I definitely
thought a lot of it was funny. I mean when
they when they made big choices, like, I was down

(01:04:54):
for it. I just wonder if there's a fucking incredible
movie like hidden somewhere. I know there, I'm sure there was. Weirdly, like,
my favorite scene was like Leo and Cape Lan chat
like talking postcoital that first time. Yeah, Okay, let's like
share details about I mean, like yeah, like that's like
why that Why is that coming like an hour into

(01:05:16):
the movie or whatever? Like why can this have been
much sooner? I know a single thing about Leo's character.
It was forty minutes too long, too, Yeah, And I
mean that's pretty much a note I have for almost
everything is forty minutes too long. That's the number it
really is for you. And it's giving forty even for
the TV shows, the proportion it doesn't proportionize, it's still

(01:05:36):
forty minutes. Well. This is another thing I wanted to say,
is just like when I when I think about like
like film versus TV, it's like I thought, don't look up. Yeah,
I was like, it's a good satire. Then I watched
starch Party season five. That that is a brilliant I mean,
it honestly not made me like don't look up less.
But I just compared them as satires of our culture.

(01:05:58):
And maybe because like Search Party has been able to
examine more and get more specific about what they're doing,
they're able to achieve it in a much better way.
But I just thought that dwarfed Don't look Up as
a satire. This last season do you know about it?
I know about it. I have not started yet because
I have just been very busy, too busy, and that's

(01:06:20):
not a good enough excuse as a true Search Party
stand hosted the podcast less did I wanted to, like,
I want to really sit with it. Yeah, it just
fucking knocked it out of the park. I think they
made insane choices, but and I was like, this is
people who are decidedly not third graders, but didn't forget

(01:06:42):
their inner third grader. They made things happen on this show.
This show went for it, like you can't even fucking
imagine it becomes a different genre. It's truly thrilling. But
that's what Search Party is always that, that's the beauty
of Search Party. It seemed as genres every fucking season. Yes,
well they just did it again and then like on
top of it all being as inventive and creative and

(01:07:03):
hilarious as they are. Like the performances are again amazing.
I mean, fucking Aliyah shock Cat should be nominated for
an Emmy for this. And like John Earl and Meredith Hagner,
these performances are amazing. John Reynolds like across the board,
like these they're fucking crushing it. I mean, John is
so funny on it, Meredith Hagner is so incredible on

(01:07:26):
that show, and it's just thematically. It fucking fucking nailed
it as a series finale. And I'll just say, without
giving away too much, like this is the big conversation
about spoiler culture, about when is it okay? Like when
is it okay to talk about search Party? I don't know, Yeah,
I I really don't know. And this is the conversation.

(01:07:47):
You're right, not ya, but we won't but we won't
spoil it here. We won't spoil it here. I just
I'm over the moon about it. And shout out to Greta,
shout out to Larry, shout out to Joe Castle Baker,
shout out to Grace con Schmidt, shout out to like
so many people on that fucking cast that nailed it.
I mean, it was just so good. Josh Sharp, oh

(01:08:07):
my god, was amazing in it. Like, just you gotta
watch Jires, Jeffrey self. I literally I am obsessed with
the show. Oh, okay, amazing. It is such an incredible show.
And like I do think, I do think Charles and

(01:08:29):
SBR geniuses. I mean true geniuses. It's just wild. Yeah.
Can I just quickly say euphoria is off to really
the more anxiety content. It's just the whole episode of
his anxiety. It's it's almost like it's always been gratuitous.
It's always you could argue been about style of a
substance in a way, and like that's fine. The fact
that you still get these amazing This is the thing

(01:08:51):
I want to put an out about Ehooria in my
mind is that it is it is a show that
you watch and you go, I don't remember anything that's happened,
but I remember all these people, which is to say
that the writing and the storytelling is not super strong
and has been called week I think. But meanwhile, in
spite of that, all the actors have incredible performances, and

(01:09:13):
I think that is still a show that it's absolutely
a show worth watching. And then like all these people
like you know, like I think their household names at
this point in household but like you knows. And by
the way, oh my god, Sydney is one of one
of the greats. I mean, I think she's been anointed,
but like I mean, White Lotus, I was like, oh

(01:09:34):
my god. Yeah, that's the that's like the quiet, shy
girl from Euphoria. She's but after White Lotus, I was like, Okay, great,
Like I loved that character of that performance. She does something.
She does so many things in this first episode of
this season that I'm like, Jesus Christ, absolute star, um.
You will hate it because there's just a lot of
violence and like it starts out in like a very

(01:09:54):
Scorsesey way and it kind of maintains that throughout the
rest of the episode, where there's just a lot of
like violence and drugs and like just like crazy ship
and it's hard to watch. Honestly. Yeah, I don't know.
I I feel like, my my, I will watch it
and I will check it out. But it's just like,
like you've been saying, like so much of media is

(01:10:16):
anxious lately that I'm just like, I think that's why
I gravitate towards a lot of lighter things, just because
I like so many I don't want to add anxiety
into my plate. But I'm saying even like and just
like that is anxiety content now because with what I'm saying,
it's like every scene is like I hope I don't
say the wrong thing. Or do the like and even
also even that show is killing and destroying. Yes, oh,

(01:10:40):
death is suffering everywhere, killing and destroying, like Frieda suffered,
but it's still that bitch. That isn't just like that
Carry Bradshaw. She has suffered and she is still that girl.
Should the title be she has suffered and she is
still that girl? I think we need some context. So

(01:11:01):
either it's power of the dog a Faget his mother,
or it's Frieda she has suffered, Frieda Colin. She has suffered,
but the episode is not about freed to. The episode
theme is she has suffered and she is still that girl. Fine, okay, yes,
you're right, you're right. I love that as a long

(01:11:23):
title for us. Yes, yes, yes, she has suffered and
she is still that that's us because it's not thank
you for making me, and she's still instead of but
she is still because it's not in spite of something.
It's in addition to mama and maybe even a direct result. Honey, darling, deer,

(01:11:43):
let me tell you something. Tell me what doesn't kill
you makes you strong? Doesn't when alone? Girl, I think
it's time to move on. I'm looking at my list here, like,
what did we miss like, Oh, I didn't tell you

(01:12:04):
I watched all of Ted last with my parents, just kidding.
Yes I did. I'd meant I didn't tell the readers.
I did. I love that show. Have you watching Project Runway?
I haven't, but I heard about this house I cha
this season is amazing and the housewives were on a challenge.
And I've never screamed before at a Project Runway, um
final runway, but I was screaming up off my feet,
screaming the housewives and the and the and the way

(01:12:26):
that they wore them. Who was there? It was Wendy, Giselle,
It was Wendy, Giselle and Karen from it was Sharence
Storms and um Gina from which, by the way, I
started watching o C and I'm obsessed. And they picked
two good ones and from New York it was Leah
and Lou and so was all of them. And then
I have to tell you the way that Giselle and

(01:12:49):
Lou looked on the runway, and also Shannon, like bo
when you and look good, they looked amazing. They looked amazing.
This is the to have the potential of Giselle. If
you put her in good clothes, she wore this. Like,
I'm telling you you have to watch the episode. Everyone
just watched the episode of Project Runway this season with

(01:13:09):
the Housewives, even if you don't watch it. If you do,
you know this season is I'm yeah, please, like it
is so so good. I personally am team Chastity, but
I also think that Chantelle might win. Okay, but and
but those are my predictions. But anyway, this episode was
absolute fire and Wendy gets into it with one of
the contestants, Christina. I said, Dr Wendy, I don't know, No,

(01:13:34):
we have to. She's a former guest. I mean, I
stand by her. But that got there for me where
I was like, oh, no, is there going to be
conflict on the episode between the housewife and the designer?
And there was and it was our girl, Dr Wendy.
But I think I agree with her. Okay, And that's
that's all that matters. All right. Let me see what
do we think of them? What do we think of

(01:13:55):
drag Race? Oh well, obviously we're team Willow Pill and
team corn Read absolutely. I mean just already the Runaway stars.
Were there any other contestants? Bosco is going to be interesting.
I think definitely he's of interest of interest. Um, but
Cornbread is a superstarread is narrating already, like getting so

(01:14:18):
much praise. She she has it all. Willow Phill maybe
a comedic icon. Someone said this in the group chat
the other night. But the fact that Willow Hill posts
like quality means on her stories means means good thing
means that. Yes, Joe and Booster said that, and I
mean I think I have. There hasn't been an entrance

(01:14:41):
in a while that has stuck with me this way
where am I the angle shirt and the fact that
that's how she came into the world. And then you remember,
remember the remember the part where like in the workroom
and in the beginning where like her sunglasses kept falling off.
If you go back and watch that, it's really funny.
The first time that happens, she goes, oh shit, like

(01:15:03):
she says, oh ship and the funniest way. I'm just
I'm obsessed with her. I rewatched her talent like five times. Yeah,
yeah it is so I don't know, it's insane. It's
almost like a comedy person like hacked drag Race, like
like a genuine like someone you would see at the

(01:15:23):
annoyance theater. I think Dave Mazzoni said that, Yeah, it's
very annoyance. It's very annoyance theater like Brooklyn or Chicago,
whichever you choose. Like I'm like, wow, I'm like, I
love and then I think god Rule loves it, loves it.
But like, if you go and look at Willow Hills stories,
she's she's a funny motherfucker just posting like crazy filters

(01:15:46):
on her face be and then just the caption being
I did weed She's she makes me like there hasn't
been this. This is my complaint about drag Race for
the longest time. In the last few seasons, I'm like,
there hasn't been someone that I'm like, I want to
hang out with them, Yeah, I want to. I want to,
Like I look up to them in a way, Like
I think back on like season five and I'm like,

(01:16:07):
I looked up to all of these girls, being like
I want to like be more like James Monsoon, I
want to be more like Alaska. Like there hasn't been
that girl in a while for me. I know, I know,
But with Willow, she's sucking six and I'm like she
I have things to learn from her. Absolutely, absolutely. I
just I don't know. I was so transported when she
did that number, and I'm so happy they let them

(01:16:28):
use that and your song, you know what I mean,
Like I was just so taken back to a time
when I don't know, like we used to watch freak
performances like that, we used to do like that was
the era. Yeah, anyway, very yeah, there's like a d
I y. I don't know if that's the right worry
way to put it. What else? Oh, we watched Free Guy.

(01:16:51):
Oh my god, here's get this. Matt and I got
really stoned in c DMX with Sudie and Mo. By
the way, there's been mo erasure on the socials. Fry Passic,
previous guest of the show was there with us. Yes, um,
we got stoned one night and watched Tree Guys starting
Ryan Reynolds and Jody Comber and Take Awaitt and we

(01:17:11):
loved and we loved it. Your girl was crying. I
was crying at the end. Jody Comber and the dude
from Stranger Things made me cry. They made me cry,
chunky tears. No one was really selling it out, you know,
like it's a very like big budget, like it's a
Sean Leeby film. I tend to like Sean Leeby films.

(01:17:34):
I kind of love Date Night as a movie and
at the Museum, I confess I haven't seen any of that,
but this movie I was just like, it just felt
like really smart, really smart. It took a second for
us to like buy into the logic of the of
the World directorial Lee. I think it would have been

(01:17:56):
helpful to see them speaking in their your live bodies
to the screen a couple, just to get across that
that was how they were communicating with them. But last Ryan,
you said something about Ryan that I so agree with.
You were like, he is such an effective comedic performer.

(01:18:16):
He's just the best. I mean, he's so specific in
his movements, the way he knows just how to be
on camera. He is just an incredibly like like he's
just a ten out of ten movie actor movie, you
know what I mean. He's just like he's always going
to get across the right emotion. He is just dependable.
He's funny, he's super cute, and he seems like he

(01:18:38):
has a lot of energy, Like he gives a lot
of energy to every take. And he's just I mean,
he's one of our best first he's one of our
best like I told you, right, like Just Friends, he
has to do so he has a very hard job
to do on Just Friends. He's one of the actors
out there who's super handsome, and so he doesn't get
a lot of the credit for doing this comedy. Yes,

(01:18:59):
the wheneber times we've talked about the proposal and sort
of brushed past Ryan as criminal. We should be putting
in the institutions. Now he's just he's supposed to be
on the institution. Okay, I'm saying we should be put
in the institutions for erasing him. So we need to
be put in institutions for racing him, and he needs
to be one of the instant the institutions. And I

(01:19:22):
think that that is as good as you can possibly
say it. Thank you girl, Erica Jane, Erica Jane. Sorry.
Should we move on? Yeah, let's move on. Okay, this
is I don't think so, honey. This is our segment

(01:19:44):
where were one minute to tackle something in culture or
something that's really fruiting our loops and I have something
to have something, you know I do. Okay, here we go.
This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many his
time starts. I don't think so, honey, of the Golden
Globes um tweeting out the winners and whoever they hired

(01:20:06):
to do that and be in charge of that process.
I believe one of the tweets said, laughs are all
it takes, and that's my West Side story. When's best
musical comedy. It's like, it's like, maybe just make sure
that before it gets I don't know, tweeted out. It
makes sense, like in terms of like the fucking sheet
you filled that the dragon drop thing you did for

(01:20:28):
whoever Twitter, I don't think so, honey. Also just trying
to make it sound like announce just we're saying it
was simply embarrassing, Like here's what you do. Put the
winner in big font and put the category on little fun.
We have the information, we got it, We'll take care
of the celebration. I don't think so, honey, that you
need to monitor and present in this way. I understand

(01:20:51):
that tweets should be funny, but when you're the Golden Globes,
it's like, just get the information out there, you know
what I mean. We've kind of had enough of like
what your personalities are, so I don't something so honey,
and that's one minute. Thank you for addressing this the tweet.
I believe I will also I'm also paraphrasing, but I
was if laughter is the best medicine, then West Side

(01:21:11):
That at West Side Story the movie is the cure
for what ails you like it's so funny. I think
that is one of the That is one of the
more iconic tweets of the last several years. If you
over the last five years of watching the Oscars and
the Golden Glooms haven't gotten it in your head that
it is all such like they're so stupid, then I

(01:21:35):
don't know what to do, because yes, of course they're
fun to watch and you know, like sort of guess
about and they're fun to follow. But when you watch
a ceremony where they can't announce the right winner, wrong
names of presenters are being said, like this tweet thing
is happening, like you find out about the lack of diversity,
and like the fact that it's it is what it is,

(01:21:57):
like the bullshit gets unveiled about Harvey y Stein, like
you we have to be able to laugh at this ship.
It is such a circle jerk, but it is fun.
It is fun to follow. I guess I am just
I was about to say like a similar thing to
what I was gonna say to what I said about
and just like that where I'm like, I do miss
the days when I didn't know all that. Yeah, when

(01:22:20):
like I did take it seriously and now there's no
going back. But that's because we got older and learned more. Yeah,
I have something. I love to hear that you have something.
My phone is over there. I'm just gonna grab because
I don't want to make my sister, who I'm very
afraid of, because you should literally see them right now.
They like Erica Jane Girardi. They look like Erica Girardi.

(01:22:42):
Literally the house down the way. They're looking at it
right now. I'm gonna get my phone. Get your phone. Okay,
hopefully he doesn't kill me. Um, okay, I have the
clock up. Do you have your I don't think the
funny topic I do. I love that this is things
I don't think so honey, his time starts now, I
don't think so, honey. Licorice pizza using being the latest

(01:23:06):
thing to like use an Asian accent as a play
for laughs. Like, I get that all of the adult
male figures in this movie are supposed to be like
ridiculous and despicable and he should not want to be
like them, and that all of his adult male figures
in his life are like awful people. But the fact
that this was used as a runner is what kind
of gets to me the most. Like there was there
at least two times when it came back, like or

(01:23:27):
when it was like a beat where like he's trying
to speak an Asian gibberish language to like his new
Japanese wife. It's like that bullshit thing of like everyone
thinking that like Asian people are the last race you
can make fun of. I will. I'm here to say
that the thing that white people are the least creative about,
the number one thing they're the least creative about, it

(01:23:50):
is Asian jokes. It is joking or making light of
Asian people in the way they talk and the way
they look. Like it's enough enough, let's just like move past.
This is not to be all like hashtag stop Asian
hate has up in one minute, yes, but yes, but
like it's just like why are we It's taking me
out of it and why can't I just enjoy Danielle
Hime's exquisite acting as a supporting character, and of course

(01:24:14):
Allana is amazing. I was just like kind of like
I hate to be like Asian Police, but I kind
of was like in my chair at the theater, like,
well that sucks, and now I have to like spend
the next fifteen minutes like re calibrating to this because
I got so thrown by that by fucking John Michael
Higgins doing that insane thing. I don't know if it

(01:24:34):
was I don't know if it was p T. I
don't know if it was John Michael Higgins. I don't know.
I mean, like they like cast the fun these fucking
Japanese people to be in it, and like this was
very intentional and like this is like very specifically executed,
and I'm like, okay, well, I don't know if it's
a good enough reason that like p T a grew
up in l A with Japanese restaurants in his life.

(01:24:55):
Like I don't know, I don't know. I love him
as a director. I think I really enjoyed the movie.
It just really was this thing that like kind of
like soured the whole thing for me. I don't know. Yeah,
one of our friends like it's later bird but for
boys or like said that, I mean I like it
as a coming of age movie. Yeah great. I just
it was this thing where like I hate that it's

(01:25:16):
being played for last in this way like I don't
think it's an accident that I think like PTO probably
was like, yeah, let's do it, let's roll, like, let's
this is what I want. Okay, cool cut, let's move on,
like he was very okay with it in a way
that I'm like, that sucks anyway. I haven't wanted to
see it because of that, because of the central relationship,
like like an upset to that, Like it doesn't upset me.

(01:25:39):
It just like why is she twenty four? And within?
Like do we need that for the story? I don't.
I have to. I should see it. I definitely should
see it, but all I know is like everything I
hear about it, I don't love. Okay, Yeah, it is
a great moment to see the hid sister is sort
of act down that I would love to see more
of them film. We need for the success. We need

(01:26:01):
the on screen. We need the mon screen. Benny Safty
iconic legend. We loved did we love Bradley? We loved
Bradley Cooper, Bradley was funny. Bradley was funny. But again,
like Bradley, Bradley is like sort of, I don't know,
portrayal of masculinity is like very specific to that era,
and I don't know that it's like specific to that
era that like John Michaelhiggins would be like someone who's like,

(01:26:23):
I don't know, I'm I'm just like literally, Matt, there's
like like for at least like three exchanges, Like it's
John Michaelhiggins and his wife talking to the main character's
mom who is like trying to like write copy or
something for their restaurant, and he's translating to her and
like speaking this like psycho Japanese gibberish. And then like

(01:26:44):
three like like three lines later, the moms like what
is she saying? Or what are you saying? And he goes, oh,
I have no idea, I don't know the language. I'm like,
what the fuck why are we doing this? There' that's
not that's not a snap it's not it's not like
it's a snapshot of the era. It's not like it's
I don't know. It's not like it's saying that something

(01:27:06):
universe little universal about adulthood or masculinity. It's like it's
just in essence, an Asian joke. Baldly put out, there
is an Asian joke. Yeah, that's very odd. Anyway, Well, listen,
I think that we have an enemy of the Oscar
Race and Thomas Anderson. It's Paul Thomas. It's pizza and

(01:27:26):
it's like crish pizza. And this year we're setting our
crosshairs on you. You're going down readers and publicists. Your
job not like licorice pizza deal. Get the word out there.
We don't like it. Do it or you're fired. Sink
this film in the Oscar Race. Now, get out there

(01:27:47):
and do it. The Oscar Race is what everyone cares about.
It's the only real thing in this town. Fuck it
up for us, now, I decree. And that's more than say.
To decree is more than saying it's a real culture.
Number is more more than say, girl, the power you

(01:28:11):
are sitting in is really really beautiful. Whatever are we in?
Not charsards but corn silk, corn silk, girl, girl. I
just am excited to go into this year with you
for another year of culture, talking to guests and we
have some fun guests coming, and to really react to

(01:28:34):
the news of the day. I can't wait to just
sit back and see what happens next in this crazy
world of lost culture. Stus. We end every single episode
of our long running show with a song I can't
think of anything. You're simper all the best you need.

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