"Sponge" (w/ Hannah Einbinder)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, oh, I see you my own look over there
is that culture. Yes, goodness, loves cult.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Love culturing. What voice are you picking today posts Fire Island? Well, okay,
let's just here's the peak that comes behind the curtain
every now and then.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
If you're from the fight hours ago, we got off
the ferry and say, ill off of what I would say,
it was a really wonderful trip.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Lovely and shorter than you. We usually do sorter than usual,
which is.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Not necessarily a function of the quality of the trip.
It's like, certainly not. You can have a short trip
that's awful, or a long trip it's great.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
But what I love is that we typically go to
Fire Island for days on end, where we scream and
drink alcohol. Right before we sort of ambitionous well record
the Pakistan ambitiously do the Culture Awards, sing and we
put we put ourselves up there and we raise our
hands and volunteer this thing difficult material.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Difficult to By the time this episode releases, the Culture
Awards will have happened. Yeah, our guests will have storm
the stage, storm the stage, and you will be able
to judge in.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Posterity. Yeah, posterity, Yeah, posterity.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's like when you know what this really bothers some
people when you say looking back in retrospect, it's like
you're sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Double dipping atm machine. But sometimes you have to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Reminding yourselves in a sentence what you're saying, like looking
back in retrospect, I can remember. It's like this is
all asked and answered. But it doesn't hurt no, to
keep letting the audience know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's language.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's language. Can we rail against people who say that
we say like too much.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
I see what you're doing. It's not going to work.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
We see what you're doing, and it's giving gen x,
non derogatory, but it is giving gen x.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think that when sometimes when you say like in
a sentence, it gives the other words power and context
and no one's talking about Every language has filler words.
One language we do speak pop culture. Now something has
hit the headlines, and we actually laughed about it for
about seven or eight minutes, which is a long time
to laugh about one single news item in the car
just now, but it was a really good one, and

(02:10):
that was that Yolanda Saldivar, the I guess you know,
murderer of Selena has come out and said that when
she gets released, she gets paroled in twenty twenty five,
she would love to work with Shakira.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
She wants to work with Shakira. That's like where she
sees her next move.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
And then someone very funny quote tweeted quote hosted girl,
you're not working with anybody when you're out. We're jumping
with a pearl hit. We're jumping you what's not what's
not clicking?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
The what's not clicking was really an important part of it.
Are we allowed to jump Yolanda?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm not gonna jump Yolanda, but I'm certainly not gonna
I'm not gonna say to anyone out there that's gonna
jump Yolanda upon her you know, freedom down.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Some people, you know did a bad thing and she
is currently serving time for that thing.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
But and that's a real culture victual culture number thirteen
did a bad thing and she is currently serving time
for that thing.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
That's the rule. That's actually the rule.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
And Yolan, I would prefer if y'all want to stay
locked up. Yeah, I don't want to talk about parole
when it comes to you.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't want to talk about parole when it comes
to Yolanda because then I think and then I think
about the prison system at large, and it depresses.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's so depressing. I don't want to think about anything depressing,
you know what I mean? Like, I want to live
in a world of joy, happiness.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
And more and more. I I constantly am waking up
in the morning and I think, how can I make
this a wonderful day that encompasses joy, that encompasses joy? Joy?
What and more? Oh? Laughter and more joy? I think
what I just say?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Joy? Laughter, and our brains are on too, but we're
not complaining. No, Well, wait, what won the most Bowen
Yang Coded Award? Oh it wasn't Matt TV's Tomato soap
Tomato soapd Tomatoes. I suggested that what should win the
award for most bonyang Coded Award was mad TV. I
thought that would be humorous, you know, the humorous joke

(04:05):
in the show. And Bowen got a little shy and
he said, no, it should be tomato leaves. I don't disagree.
I would have loved to have Matt TV be most
bonyank Coded.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I just think what is most bon yank coded is
still is the luave not to make this anymore. A
lot of the girls are doing tomatoes.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
And it soaps. Do you think it's because of this podcast? No, no, no,
I think there was. People did their market research and.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Here I was thinking we were tasting No, no, never, listen.
I do want to say I'm happy that my most
Matt Rogers coded it was the expression not for nothing,
for nothing. I think that was really good and not
for nothing. This episode, this little overdue. This well, it's
award winning.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's award win.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
We've we've just gotten news that this episode has already
won awards.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's in the front runner for a glad Ward. We're glad.
Oh my god, Like you.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Just want to thank all of our LGBTQ plus supporters
out there.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
But you know who you are.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And I think we've picked a true representative of the
queer community today to be on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well, I was going to say earlier that this is
someone who encompasses the joy, laughter and more.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Joy, laughter and more.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I don't think about It's the opposite of me thinking
about the prison system. I think about this person and
I feel expansive, I feel joyful. I feel the opposite
of depressed.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I don't think of prison at all when I think no,
I feel like, in fact, my shackles are off.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yes, yeah, this person say it was out with us
into the dawn hours of the S and L finale.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And can I say something, well, of course, so it
being an arcade, there was of course a game where
you kill kills with a real gun. And the way
I saw her use the gun, maybe she should be
in prison.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Hey, lock her up, let her speak, Let's bring her
in everyone, well, get a hold on before before we
bring her in.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Yeah, she's the star of Hack. I have some respect.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Just finish its incredible third season, yep, and her special
Everything Must Go comes out June thirteenth on HBO.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's a big moment. Can I say, right now, Bowen Yang,
do it again? Do that again?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Bowen Yang has his arm on my shoulder and it
is a grip and if you don't know, let's go
on tight on this.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Cow intense the grip he has on me. Bowen Yang
has me. He's choking me out through my shoulder. Everything
must go. The bony shoulder.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That was a fun joke from I Love That for you,
like where they showed the best part of a woman,
the bony shoulder.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's really fun. But that show got canceled, but it's.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Coming back for season four is Hacks, and we we
really want to see what happens next because it's a
cliffhanger emotional.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, but it's it gets flipped at the end.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
The first time I saw our guests, I pointed to
her and out loud to myself, I said star quality.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I've been saying it to this day.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
We will continue to say, continue to say. Everyone, please
welcome into your ear.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Hannah, I'm blinder. Are you already bursting out? Don't cry? Joy?

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh my god, don't you Why would you cry in
front of us?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
What do we do?

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I'm sorry, this is so grit, but no, don't I
really love you that? And now you know we love you.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
We've loved you all along.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Read Are you bad?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Oh my god, it's ear. I'll tell you this.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Really, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
This is iconic.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You got.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Truly a film. This is unreal. What's happening?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Is you see?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
For me, it's like John Paul Ringo Georgie.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Like dumb because genuinely sobbing.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I run.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
I want a radio contest to be here. I am
a fan.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I literally like, I feel like it's so embarrassing you
haven't been on It's crazy. It's a big, big, big
over We're embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
Okay, was that?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did that feel like a release of other things that week?
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (08:12):
I I genuinely like I listened to every episode and
I okay, here I go.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
It's like, I just appreciate your guys love and I
appreciate you guys.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Did you see the way he was grasping my soldier
you felt how hard it was?

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Look like, genuinely I appreciate you guys sharing your love
with us. And also like I have you know, like
maybe you guys have this experience where like you listen
to podcasts when you are hello and you're like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Not allowed it was this a pandemic thing? Did it
happen during the pandemic?

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Totally? Totally.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
That's why I feel this way when I see poverty.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it can translate to film and television as well.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I want people to know that it can. I mean,
here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I really like, it's like bowls me over that you
say that, because legitimately I do remember going to just
for laughs and I saw it was not the New
Faces set that you did, but it was one in
a smaller.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Space with all the skulls.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
The one was that.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, it was bizarre, like there are these satellite shows
that happened around the big showcase events. I just remember
like you going up there and you were everyone was amazing,
but like you couldn't forget you, and it's like it
is it's like an intangible that you have. It was like, well,
I of course remember your bit with the mic standwhich
I thought was truly brilliant, and I was like, I've never.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Seen this before, but like you really are.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It's just like, I mean, it's so unsurprising to see
that you become this like fucking star and catch you
in this moment is so great. I was so happy
that you could come in this week, and like it
has to be a feeling, like a very big moment,
like you know how it feels when like you're having
like that thing like this finale came out, everyone's so
emphatic about it.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Now the special you're having a fucking moment bo thank you.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
It does feel really good. It feels really warm. I
am new to being able to receive it as well,
which is so nice. Oh, you know, because it kind
of bounces off or it sticks for five or fifteen
minutes and then it leaves the body, of course.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
But now you're feeling like it's it's it's keeping a bit.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, it's really nice.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
What do you think is the instinct I want to
toss that off when someone is like, hey, I see
you and what you're doing is fucking great. Like, what
do you think it is that makes you want to
respond the way where it's like no, because I.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Do get that.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I mean, I think it's just low self esteem and
the inability. I don't think it's a tossing off so
much as it is an inability to grasp it at all. Ah,
you know, I think like it's just you know, you
cannot you have to have like that feeling in yourself first,
so cliche, but it feels like I also think it's
like conditioned in comedians who are just so like sharks,
like just you're just swimming around and then after you've eaten,

(10:51):
you're hungry again, and it's like every set is like, Okay,
that was good, and then you're only as good as
your last set, and it's like this thing of like
you're constantly having to reevaluate your worth and you're constantly
being told externally whether you're doing.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And sometimes you could get three different things in one night. Yeah, Hannah.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Hannah and Tim Heidecker witnessed me spiraling at the snl
F and now, oh my god, okay, really no, because
my fucking update got cut.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Which by the way, and it's like the costume was
so like, it was so grand and I want to
be in that drag and it getting cut and I.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Associated, and then I was in paint cans and then
you and Tim came and my brain was like wait,
like that's a friend. And then I like that was
my body not receiving this like stimulus of like you
should be happy that this is happening now, but you
are so upset and sad and furious.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I cannot tell you how much I understood in the
moment and now of of course, like you're in this thing.
I had never seen the show in that capacity before.
It is crazy. Yeah, that is psychotic.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
What's the thing that people don't get is like when
things get cut, they get cut, and you're in the costume, a.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Costume or the prosthetic or the whatever, like oh my god,
You're just standing there and it's like, okay, now, like
you have no time to process that is fucked up.
That is fucked up.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, it was an update that got cut during air,
which I'm telling y'all doesn't happen, and the fact that
it happened was what was upsetting.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm sorry, no, no, no, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
We turned to you and you broke down. Both felt
that felt like he could say this here with you,
and I think that is kind of nice about like
seeing other comedians in these spots where you never really
fucking saw yourself, Like I don't know if you and
you can answered this question, did you ever see yourself
leading a dramedy like that really does because it's obviously
hilarious show, but like you are doing some stuff on there,

(12:49):
you are pulling a big, heavy emotional.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Bags and you look across the table and guess who
it is. It's the legend. It's JS, and it's JS.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And I think we've all had version of this where
you're like, what the fuck am I doing here? I'm
supposed to be at Union Hall for like a fifteen
time and I'm paying them to let me go, Exactly
like I'm used to I'm used to meeting the poutine
at Union Hall before I go. Yeah, literally, and that
was the whole bit, was my fart, like and like

(13:19):
they're supposed to pay me in two Brooklyn Laggers after
we performed Suck. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
it's and then all of a sudden you're there with
the legend. Did you ever see that for yourself? Was
it comedy ever a means to an end to acting
for you? Or is this like something that has happened.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
It is, in every possible conceivable way, something that has happened.
I never once even thought about this being my life
or path. I had no TI. I mean, I was
in the fucking I you know, I just it was
not so I didn't.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, I saw you doing the stand up.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
I was like, I know what she does is stand up,
and then all of a sudden you get up there
and you're doing the thing with jam and.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I'm going, what did you get your taking a risk?
Paul Jenny Legia? How did you know?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (14:00):
I could have done like, but how did they know?
I'm like the audition scenes that I did, yes, there
was there were some that were serious, but like I
never cried or anything like that, Like, how could they
have known it was a big I mean, I'd see
it as a big gamble on their part. I'm glad
they rolled the dice, yes, but like I mean, yeah,
I never I never thought that I would do this

(14:21):
at all, and it has been such a gift because,
as you know, like solar performance is very isolating, and
you almost don't know how isolating it is until you
do it in a group. And you know, I am
very much. I was just you know, stand up comedian
vibes featuring touring road dot com. And now it's like
totally different and I love acting. It has become a deep,

(14:45):
deep love of mine. But I would say, yeah, stand
up is definitely my first love and it was what
I hoped to do it just you know, Hacks has
totally made being a stand up comedian in the capacity
that I have always wanted. Single handedly made it possible.
Like you know, I would be the fuck Holiday and
Express and goddamn wherever the fuck you know without.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a good they actually they have good records. That's
really good. And the coffees well too hot.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
But give it some time, give some cool.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
I think it's very Special that Sandy Honik directed the
sashion You're I mean, just the best my bestie, bestie,
but this is like, this is the thing that maybe
takes it out of an isolating experience, which is bring
a friend in collabor vision, you collaborate on it.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Like Sandy and I were like, I mean we've just
always been like, dude, you know, it would be sick, dude,
you know, I'd be sick, like back and forth over
the years, like if I ever got to do a special,
even when it was like so far off into the future,
like we'd be like stoned in the backyard, like arranging
sticks and leaves, like what the stage would look like,
like like legit like and also like you know, with

(15:51):
the special, we really wanted it to feel filmic and
beautiful and create a certain aesthetic and reference various like
like film hormances, and it just was this thing where
like we had total creative synergy on this, like in
the post process, like every single day, like literally she

(16:11):
would be behind me and we'd be looking at the
edit and we'd be trying to tell our editor like
where we want to cut, and we'd clap in unison
and it would be like i'd turn back because we're
just like on the same wlad.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Like when it's two people. When when too consciousness is
you for mind, you create a mind totally.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
And she's a comedian as well, obviously. Yeah, so she
and I would she would open for me on the
road sometimes, and like she's seen My Hour in its
various iterations, and so she really knew the material and
she has the ability in the live performance to go
now you know all that stuff because she is so
in it with me and we just laugh and laugh

(16:49):
and laugh and go what would be the most gorgeous thing?
And then we do that. It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I just feel like she is so limitless in terms
of her talent. I mean, like like I just get
so excited about Sandy all the time. I get excited
about Sandy on screen. I get excited about what she
does with photo. I get excited about this, like her writing,
Like I would imagine that it's not just about.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Her being so talented in terms of knowing what she
wants and knowing what.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
You want, but also her being really gifted at being
able to hold space for you as someone who I'm
gauging is like very emotional, like you know what I mean,
Like it matters a lot. I know that they always say, likeways,
you always say, don't take yourself so seriously, don't take
yourself so seriously. And we get to a certain place
because we've followed that advice, and then all of a sudden,

(17:34):
you're forced too, and it's like, I.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Don't know how to do this.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
So just turning around and looking and seeing someone that
you really trust, that's like we're figuring it out together.
I'm here, I'm not gonna let you look stupid. If
you look stupid, we're both gonna look stupid. So let's
fucking go for it and do the thing that we
know we can do it. Just you believe it because
that person has never given you like reason to doubt them.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, and I'm literally pointing at him because that's who
it is for me.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
That's what I was going to say, Like, you guys
know the specific type of synergy that occurs when you
are creating something with someone you really love, who really
knows you, and you do create one mind Ah, that
is really that is as good as it gets.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Like you did you feel like when you did the special,
like you were able to walk away and be like
I did it.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I feel like I did it the best I fucking could.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Well, Okay, I have a question for you. Did you
do two shows?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Did you do one to one right after another?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And because it was singing, I felt really scared, And
then once it was done, I was like, Okay, thank
god we did too right back to back because.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
It was fine in the edit.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
How much did you use of like split?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
We went like song by song.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
If I thought I gave a better performance than the one,
I just used the whole take of that song, and
then there was some creative stuff. But because it's music,
it's a little different. But yes, we used a lot
of both, a lot of both, and sometimes there was
a little vanity in it.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
So I and this definitely also speaks to the like
it's good to have someone there who knows you and
who can be like holding. I use majority late show
because I think just generally, like the first show is
filled with the people who bought tickets early. They were
there on time, they lined up at five pm. They
are there for the early show. They're like just applause

(19:26):
after every you know, after every joke where I'm going
like too much.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
You're excited to see me, was that good?

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, Like I definitely ended up using more of the
late show, and I was in a place after the
early show and people constantly say this to me, and
they have always said this to me, and I am
happy that this is the case. But it is that, like,
you know, I'll feel a certain way after a set
and people go, are you serious? You look so confident
because my like if you will persona is like a

(19:57):
very heightened version of myself. It is confident, like swaggy whatever.
And so like the first performance, like I wanted to
kill I literally, I know what it's going to be
after I say, good evening the first thing, and it's
like they were warm and they were there, but like

(20:18):
there was the crowd, no shade, thank you for the support.
They lack of sexuality, you know what I mean. I
want people to have be a little licked up. I
want a couple of drinks in like you know what
I mean. I want them loose. And so the first
show was giving you know, there was a platonic energy
in the crowd.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's a beautiful energy to when you're committing it to film.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
That's right, that's right, that's right. So it did end
up being like, you know, first show, I was like,
like I genuinely was in the back going like maybe
maybe stand up isn't meant to be film, Maybe maybe
it's all for not. Maybe maybe we we shouldn't have

(21:01):
it was a fool's era, and we I should stay live,
I should stay on the road. And then the second show,
I was like I am a god.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you're able to exist in both
those things. I wonder like when you were younger, when
you were like first starting out, were you someone that
was like, I can do this because I know I
can do it, or were you someone that was like,
I'm being trepidacious and I'm going to prove it to myself.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I mean, it definitely was like show to show, Mike
to Mike, performance to performance, like oscillating, but I definitely
think that I quickly learned that, like, yeah, we go
up at the open mic with things that we think
are like I think this is as good as and
all my other good ship, and they just are telling
you no. They are telling you now, no problem, and

(21:46):
it's like agree to disagree. But also like audience is
king like they actually ultimately never wrong, They're never wrong,
and they decide so and they decide I'm glad, which
is so yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about it. I love talking
about that.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, So I had like this is an analogy. I
guess it's like do doctors performing surgery for a crowd,
like have them weigh in, and it's like, wait, should
I'm I'm the expert. Actually, you know what I mean?
Like sometimes I do feel that in my jadedness where
I'm like, yeah, wait, but it's you, I'm It's I'm

(22:20):
the one, and it's I know that isn't the case.
And ultimately, like they do win every time and thank
you to the audience, but sometimes it's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
This is a thing that I like about working and
as is that the people who run it have always
abided by this notion of the audience is always right. Yeah,
they know better than me do Like it doesn't matter
what I let's say, Lorden Michaels thinks, like is the
best piece of comedy. They are the arbiters in every situation,

(22:54):
no exceptions, and like that is I think for me,
what's getting a lot of like getting in the way
of like this generational divide.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
In terms of like what comedy is.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
It's like it's these comedians who are like, oh, like
the audiences have changed, and they're not they're wrong now. No,
it's it's just that they've they've always been right. They
were right back in the day. They're right now.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
It's you who's changed.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You who's changed. It's you who has not changed, right right,
right right.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You are the fixed point. And maybe that's the problem.
And like I think this is a good thing for
everyone to have personally, Yeah, totally, Like is just this
this way of like.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Filling in the container. Yeah, and you hold like.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Look as a performer and as someone who gets on stage,
like you have this feeling of like, ah, I had
faith in this thing. I believed in this thing, in
this joke, whatever it may be. But yeah, like at
the end of the day, really it's just not up
to you. And that's like fine, that's what it is. Yes,
And ultimately, like you do get that feedback, especially when

(23:55):
you tour, like you do get that feedback across the board. Yeah,
it's really rare that it's like, oh, it's didn't work
everywhere and then it worked here, Like it's very ye.
And then if it does it's like you can't trust that.
You have to trust the failure actually, and you're also not.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Going to win in litigation against the audience, you know
what I mean. It's like afterwards, it's it is over.
It should live and die there, and there should be
something to be learned from that. But it feels like
a not only is this conversation that a lot of
people are having about how like older comics and from
another generation and you know the icons that are like
constantly reilling against this, it kind of just feels like

(24:29):
this is not an interesting topic and if you haven't
discovered that, you can't say anything funny about it.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Now move on.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I was like really happy about what Julia Louis Dreyfus
was that she said it was in response to this
idea of like kind of everyone of that male generation
being like, you know, the audiences are fucked up. You know,
Seinfeld says what he says, et cetera. And we've all
heard odd nauseum from the usual suspects about how woke

(24:55):
culture is killing comedy. But she was like, I feel
like it's a huge red flat when we're so fixated
on this, And she was like, what's really killing comedy,
and what's really killing content is the consolidation of wealth
and power, which is in and of itself kind of
a way to drag them and not for nothing, not blown,
not like revealing anything here, but she knows wealth, I mean,

(25:17):
like Julia Lewis dragon total like she you know what
I mean, Like it's like she understands like.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
How it all works and how it all moves.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
And to be in power in comedy, I mean, she's
been one of the brand names of comedy since the nineties.
So to look around and see everyone fixating on this
thing and it's not getting funny or a more interesting
from that vantage point, it's like this is also a
worthwhile opinion here, which is just like maybe we need
to look a little bit about how we are uncomfortable
with the fact that we can't necessarily swing our dicks as.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Big and as loud anymore. Maybe that's our issue.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
And it's like the greatest numbers, like what Dave Chappelle's
Netflix deal was like sixty million dollars and they offer
like our peers, like two hundred k all told all
production costs to pay every single person on the crew,
every single fee, every single everything yeah, you're in the
you're in the in the red. By the end of it,
it's like, what's that you guys don't have like you

(26:10):
know what I mean, It's it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like we're all doing a comedy show on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Not that it like compares to like anything that like
is out there in the sort of content mass, but
like we are putting up a show where we're not
necessarily like walking out with a big like not at all.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, that's not what it's for, Like all that is
going into the show itself.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
And it's like totally fine for like an older generation
of comedians to be like, well, culture is killing comedy.
But it's like Seinfeld is taking a step further by
saying that's why comedies don't get made anymore, right, He's
like he's like that's why like comedy movies don't open
or don't get like theatrical releases. Like he's like blaming
it on that, which I think is like so interesting,

(26:53):
because there are means to make comedies every day we
are doing on our little scale, like and it's fun
and it's we think it's different than like what's out there.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I don't know, like not not that I'm like, no
one knows why anything doesn't work either.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
It's like again, it's just like the audience didn't want
to see it, and they're again they're not wrong, and
they're not wrong.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Well, I think often sometimes people in power are inherently
risk averse, and so like our job is inherently we
are prone to risk, and so that is where the
incongruency lies. And it's like they're just not they they
need something that is so so obvious in their minds
to work in their minds to take a chance on it,

(27:35):
which is just I guess like a product of you know,
the new streaming era and all of the growth that
they need to create and this like ever rising level
of monetary gain that needs to be in place. It's
like just you know, to Julia's point, that is what's happening.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
It's just like so shitty, Like what there's so many
like young comics that are like rising up that are
like and yet this dominating common Harry is like, well,
comedy is dead, Like comedy is not happening. This is
what's killed comedy. It's like, look around, like there's there's
great comedians and it does feel obviously very sexist and
you know, homophobic and racist, and it's undertones and all
those things.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
But it's just like, where are the jokes about this?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Make it funny, Make it funny, you know, dance for
us monkey like you did in the beginning, Jerry Seinfeld.
Literally in my first job, Jerry Seinfeld, really given, My
first job was in a sketch on comedians and cars
getting caught and Michael Richards. It was the Jimmy Fallon episode.
And this was back in the day when it was

(28:36):
on Crackle Crackle, and like I came out and like
played like a some version of a gay assistant who
was like, you know, taking their pressed juice order and everything.
But it was me, Michael Richards and Jerry Snfeld and
it was the first time I had seen Michael Richards
act or do anything since since, which I have to

(28:57):
imagine does inform the way that a lot of people
like seeing people get canceled in like an o G way,
like notwithstanding whether they absolutely deserved it or not. But
she's like, huh, this could happen. I'm I have my
guard up now, and now it's the opportunity for this
brown swell of like.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
How do we like theirs their right right right.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I will say I love comedians and cars getting coffee,
but it is like, so oh my god, all of
the like like Jim Carrey and Gary Shandling and like, no,
it's great, all of the fucking incredible, just like a
window into like these people in a way that we've
never seen them before.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
You like cars, I do like cars.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
I like to drive.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You like to drive. I love driving. You love the
open road?

Speaker 4 (29:36):
I love driving?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah, Freedom, great show for your season two. Must have
felt incredible.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, totally in the bus in the sticking my
head out like a dog. Oh yeah, tongue clapping around
the wind. Yeah that's me.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
That's yeah. I do picture it. Go ahead of the
special or handa driving, handah driving. What do you listen
to in the damn car?

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
A lot of classics, A lot of classic classic rock America. Bread,
hand read, you know what I mean, Steely Dan, you
know what I mean? Fucking the Eagles man, Okay.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I wonder Hanson is probably clutching their heart to be
able to be mentioned. Bread. People really like right off? Bread?
What's with that?

Speaker 4 (30:23):
What's with that?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
We're also tired. You got to come out of here.
And workshop these jokes to find out doesn't lie. That
wasn't good. They didn't like that bread joke. It got
a respond.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Maybe there's an absolute value to keep coming back a response.
Then it means it's something.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
All right. So we're talking about getting on the open.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
And when I think about you driving and listening to music,
I think about you consuming culture, which leads me to
sort of like as the question, the big question from
the podcast, which is Hannah, I minder, what was the
culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Here we go, bring it on.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
You?

Speaker 4 (31:11):
So I saw bring it on when I was far
too young to see it. It would have been considered
quote unquote inappropriate.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Got it number.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I would say, I was seven, and you know, they're
talking BJ, they're talking F, they're talking you know several
other letters, you know what I mean. Yeah, so so
in the air well that actually, you know, I would
say that my liberal Los Angeles Jewish family was actually
being like, okay, slay to that. But words et cetera, yea,

(31:41):
like a douchew that's not for my child, crocked, crocked. Sorry,
that's that's one of my little me and me and Sandy.
We actually Crocked c r O c K Crock Time
c r O c K T well titled that rock
Crocked Sandy feels. Ok Oh, if I may just a sidebary,

(32:03):
I have a couple more words that we've kind of
please have been in the rotation, So if and you
guys can please feel free to use this, no need
to credit me whatsoever. Like I just kind of want
this to permeate the culture, if you will. So this
word is sponge. Sponge would be said when you take
something in so completely that it becomes you fun.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So it's kind of that's sponge spun.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
But you know what I mean if somebody says something
that feels like it's almost church, you know, gospel sponge,
but I'm absorbing that sponge, I like, you know what
I mean, I like. And then another one would be
something is so left And that's just when something's not.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Right right, you know what I mean, Like it had
done been gone left.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Exactly, I would say, exactly, the discourse is less, it's
left left, the party.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Left, it was left.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
We we had fun and then like around like one
kind of left, know, like.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
After Hannah shot down the zombies the arcade.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It just went left.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
It just left. There was no right after that.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, say that you really tore it up. Yeah, that
was kind of my first time on the on the
g on the gun. Well you know it was, but
you know I kind of got into my like mister
and missus Smith to see a little bit picturing you. Yeah,
I was like I was Angelina in that moment. It
was kind of that.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I do want a Hannah Einbinder movie in which not
to glorify this, but in which she holds a gun.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
I'm ready to do that. I'll be honest with you.
I'm ready to do action because you should as as aforementioned.
And I will circle back. I was a competitive cheer
leader for years and so I am agile.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
So let's go back to Bring it On.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
So, so.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
I saw Bring it On at like seven or eight,
and I said, this is my life now.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
So I uh my first year from I'm sexy, I'm cute,
I'm popular, but like from.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yes first vivid and uh uh uh wait, I'm sexy,
I'm cute, I'm popular, the boys all up to stare.
I'm wanted, I'm hot, I'm everything you're not.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I smile, I'm cool. I dominated this school. I just guys,
I want to touch my chest.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I rocking, I smile and anything.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Vile, I sile, I jump. You can look, but don't
you humph. I'm major.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
I roar, I swear a whore.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
We cheer and we lead. We act like ground.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
CEA hate us because we're beautiful, lowlea like you either
weren't your leaders.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
We aren't your leaders. All come eating Red, I'm Courtney round.
I made my color.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Yeah, just godzzy, I'm still big Red.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I sizzle, I scorched, and now I pass the torch.
The ballance are in and one girl has to win Turkey.
She's lying and now she's in kicking the chorus you're taking.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
I'm gonna made rs your captains.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
We are the mighty monitors were so terrific. It must
be guitars. Wow, that lived right.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
Anyway? So I saw that, and obviously I was radicalized.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, how do you know what I mean? Did you
just see us all chip like?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It is an iconic opening to a movie, iconic that
they should teach in school.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's one million and and I would have
liked to see that in film school. But you know,
they got to show. I gotta watch the Bicycle Thief, whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
The many times brutiful Laundrette.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
No exactly, thank you, thank you anyway, but that but.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
That film you're seeing it in the theaters. You can
remember saying it saw that.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I got it. I saw it at home. I believe
it was PHS and or possibly a DVD. And I
saw that and I said I have to do this.
And so that summer I was enrolled in a cheer camp.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Not being comedy, you're acting, actually cheerleading. Actually how you know?
It really works?

Speaker 4 (36:04):
It really worked. It is culture that made me say
life was for me. Yeah, okay, I said, I'm going
to keep living.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Actually, now I was like, is any is it all
the cheerleading or is any part of it the tickle
which is what I call it when you start to
feel a little bit LGBTQ.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Plus well, of course, missy guy, I transferred from Los
Angeles your school. It's a dynastics team.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
This is the last visitor, I mean.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
And by the way, it's like and then like, y'all
remember stick it.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I didn't. I never saw a sticket, but I suggest.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
I suggest seeing it. It's really really awesome and also
very LGBT, of course specifically l if you will and
I will, you know what I mean. So yeah, it
definitely was, of course, I mean and then like, but
I'm a cheerleader obviously, like okay, well and I saw
that when I was already out, but you know, so,
so yeah, I enrolled in cheer camp and then I

(36:55):
joined a competitive team that was a co ed team
in Marina del Rey.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
And what age is this? Now?

Speaker 4 (37:01):
This is now I'm kind of blurry on my past generally,
but this is probably nine because I've been like from
like seven, I was like in cheer camp, and then
like nine to maybe eleven, I was on this one
team in Marina del Ray and then I switched to
an all girls gym in Pasadena and we competed all
over the country and it was like wow, yeah competitive, Yes.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Like y'all were in Yes, yes, like you were the Ranchocarnates.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Even more so, I would say, like even more yeah,
which you know, it is hard to do, especially in
LA in the LA area, it's more of like the
middle of the country South type thing.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
You and CD Green need to really connect on this
because she has done a lot of research on like
youth cheers.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yes, cheerleading, Yes, yes, that is. It's a wild world,
wild world. And I will say that I credit a
lot of my determination for perfection and hard work to cheerleading.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Because you know, nothing else was acceptable.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
No, it's hurt, genuinely. It's like, do you want to fly?
Then you better? You better sore for perfection, darling. You
know what I mean, because I'll knock you back down
to backspot in a second. You want to stay on
the ground, then hit the goddamn heill strike.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
I am very afraid.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I'm giving you one tent right now. I'm giving you
one ten.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I believe that you're only give me one ten.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Looks and you are looking at me in my eyes,
and I am not stepping You know what I mean
when you say so, did you ever like sort of
because you are you do have this power.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Did you rise to the levels of leadership?

Speaker 4 (38:34):
I was captain of the varsity cheer My god, this
is high school. So then, of course I went to
my high school career, which was actually quite tragic, because
you know, I came from this intense world and this
was such a huge part of my identity. And then
in high school, you know these girls, you know there
were a couple of girls. I want to shout out
Kayla countrymen and how to use the LAC and how

(38:54):
to use the LAC. They came from competitive cheerleading. Kayla
came from competitive cheer in Central California. Heidi from Georgia.
And so these girls they were coming into JV try
out standing tucks, you know what I mean, Like they
were they were ready to got you. You know what
I mean, they were ready to go. And the rest
of the girls, you know, I shouldn't speak, I shouldn't
speak out of turn. I'm sure they had. You know, Look,
it just we were on different pages. We were just

(39:16):
on different pages.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
No, And that's that's nobody's fault.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
It's nobody's fault.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It's just how it's what the configuration wasn't exactly you.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Kala and Heidi were coming from yea a particular let's say,
stocks of cheer That's right.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
We were striving for perfection. And the other girls were,
you know, they were they were on the team.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Sure. So then when you get to the end of
high school, is there a moment of torrents where you're like,
what is my life now?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
So I was used to like very intense conditioning, springboard,
like professional cheerleading equipment, all of these things, and I
was kind of you know, I went from tumbling on
like a gymnastics floor to grass and track. So at
football games, we'd be on the track and I'd be
doing like, you know, seven back handsprings in a row
or something, and it would be like this thing of

(40:05):
like I'm kind of it's hard on the body. Yeah,
And over time I gradually lost skill, and I will
never forget the last time I threw around up by
canspring tuck and then I got swooped.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I got scared, and it was like it was like
this is the last oh you felt leave.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
I did a round off by can spring and I
sprung up to do the tuck and I couldn't, Like
I genuinely, I genuinely could not do the back tuck.
And it was just like I walked away like it
was just gone.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I was.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
I was, yeah, I left me, and she was you do.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
You think, in confronting that moment that that was an
emotional slash mental block or do you believe that it
was physical and your body was just like we have
exceeded the time where this is like a safe thing
for us to do.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
It was emotional and mental. Wow. I had poured so
much time and effort into the team into trying to
get gym space for the girls to tried up their skill,
to try to work on. Okay, how about everybody goes
for a back can spring? We try to make that
the goal and the whole team can do a standing
by can't spring? And you know, the amount of effort
and time and concern I poured into the high school
team was you know, it was a lot. You could

(41:10):
call it unhealthy. I was very very serious about it,
like very serious, but I know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Y'all were high school students. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
It's like this is you don't know what how big
the vessel is for you to pour all your yourself into.
And you sound like you were a great, great captain,
Thank you fantastic, But well probably.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Because it was because if you weren't, then what you
know what I mean? I just remember, like I was
captain on my track team, and I also got to
like a place where I remember it just it became
my identity in a way where it was like okay.
So then at the end of it, when you do
ultimately decide to walk away the breakdown you have, like

(41:51):
do you have like a breakdown? Because I remember calling
my father and telling him I had done a week
of the track team at n y U, and then
I was like it was became so clear that I
was meant to pursue other things and actually try to
become myself and stop and track was amazing, but like
it was a crutch for me to get through high
school being good at that and having purpose and having authority.

(42:12):
No one could like check you or fuck with you
because you were an effective part of something that was
like accepted in the school as being a worthwhile social
and physical thing. He's on the diversity team, et cetera.
And when I had to call my father and tell
him that I was leaving the team, I didn't even
know I was going to get that upset because it's
not just you quitting that, it's you quitting this thing
that's been definitive. Yes, that thing that's defined you, that's

(42:36):
been most associated with you and being productive and successful.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Was your dad, like sports dad at the games, like
super cheerleader vibes.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
My dad was pretty much if he didn't start as
the coach of everything I did, finish the coach of
everything like that. Like he I remember, he was very
unhappy with like the coaching I was getting in track
and field season wise. Cross country wasn't good enough, swinder
trap wasn't good enough, springtrack wasn't good enough. So he
ended up learning how to coach it and then was

(43:06):
the pretty much the best track coach I had ever had.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Wow. Yeah, okay, so it was it was a loss
for both of you.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
I mean I don't think so, because he was like,
I don't care. I just want you to be happy
and do something. He was like, go right for the
school paper or whatever, whatever's going to like motivate you.
But I didn't get that because, like you're saying, it's
like it has to be this thing that's like because
I don't know what I even am. Yes, So that's
why it's frustrating, is because like I don't know who
I am, and us all being I think closeted queer

(43:32):
at the time, probably that is extra scary because you're like, no,
it means something like I have to have an identity.
If I don't have an identity, especially like when you're
going to college and we went to New York for
college where everyone knows who they are and everyone knows
where they're going, and everyone's busy and everyone's plugged in,
and suddenly you're like, whoa, I'm not that and I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Used to being that.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Yes, it is a huge identity crisis. And it's like
you see did y'all watch the Kelsey that documentary?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Kel see the Jason Kelsey Dogs Jason.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
It was so cool, it was like this, It felt
like it will resonate because it like explored this thing
where like an athlete has to walk away from their
sport and like because your body just whatever, whatever the reason.
In my case as well, I was also graduating in
the college that I went to didn't have like their
tier team was dancers with mom moms. It wasn't actually
and like for whatever reason, like walking away. It is

(44:26):
a huge identity crisis and it's so devastating and frankly
not to get dark, but you look at some of
those episodes of Intervention, a lot of them were like
I was an athlete and then my knee got whatever
and then blah blah blah, Like it is really like
truly having your identity be like roped into athleticism or
any career that has like an expiration date on, like

(44:48):
it's connected to your body in any way, Like it's
really fucked up. It's really dark.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
At the Culture War because she that athletic Anderstry had
to go somewhere.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
It's legit. It is so dark and real.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
That movie was so much better than.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
I think My Lucky Stars. I found comedy because that.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yes, when did this come in? This came in in college.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
I just was kind of loitering and I started talking
to a kid who you know, was working on like
I went to film school, I went to Chatty University,
I went to Dodge College, and I just was talking
to this kid. I was appeaying on a film set
and he was like, you're funny. You should try out
for the improv team and stuff. I did try out
for the improv team, and I did do that, and
I was really not good at it. But I I

(45:40):
then lost cultures dos Fath. Nicole Byer came to my college,
came to Chapman, and she asked if anyone from the
improv team wanted to open for her, and I volunteered,
and that was the first time I did stand.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Up that allowed you to volunteer. Well.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
I loved to stand up so much, and I also
felt so bad about how bad an improv I was
because I really was so in my head in a
way that you cannot be to do that.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Well sure, and and you being someone who's a perfectionist,
she's like, You're like, I will be good at it.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I will not fail.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Yeah yeah. And just being like I love stand up
so much. I listened to albums all the time, like
maybe I could do that, Maybe I could try that
the way I tried Improvin. So I wrote like eight
minutes and just open for her, and it was like
literally I never went back. Ah yeah, changed everything she made.
She made it possible for me.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
You you've talked about this before.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I have told her since I ran into her. I
was like thank you, and she's really she was really
sweet about it.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
You know what's so funny, Like not funny, it's just
like I love that that can then be something that
you were able to tell her.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I remember, like years.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Ago, you know, you remember how Michelle Buteau performed our
Welcome Week and I just remember feeling so wrecked because
like I had quit that.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Team and like comedy was something I knew I could
go to.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Because everyone's gonna we were all gonna laugh, and at
least that would be a release and it being her
like someone who I thought was genuinely so funny and
like like we will all have that cathartic moment. And
then to know her later and see her get the
success that she's had obviously Nicole is also huge, yea.
But to have the outlet for that be like you
really fucking made a difference, Like that's like this major.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Yeah, it's so major, and it's like the most I mean,
especially to like watch Nicole is also sets an example
for you, like to continue to kind of pay it
forward and be like how can I reach back and
like figure out how to like facilitate that for other
people the most incredible gift and honor to be able
to do it as well. Truly, my god, I love
this ship. I love this as good as hell.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Recently, I'm sponge the entire time with you?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Am I using that right? Fun I'm spunge. You don't
say I am sponge. You can just say sponge sponge, but.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
You can say like genuinely like it's like we made
it up. You know, I am Sponge.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
The grammar is very Sandy and Hannah, and I know
I want to honor that it is rocked.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
We're very crop said that.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
But speaking of Sponge, like the bringing on of it
all like that, especially formatively at a time when you're
seeing kids like again kids they're played by adults, but
like you see that world of high school. I remember
being so blown away a that high schools could have
hallways that were outside California must be the promise.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I was like, what is going on here?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And all those La high schools were all outside hallways
like the Cuckoo one where She's all that, which, by
the way, watch that again.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Easy movies, hold up, Easy School.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Like all them like, but that was wild to watch
them and have bit the space and how I hot
they all were, et cetera. I will also point out
it opened a door to that type of comedy for me,
yeah and maybe for you too, where it was like, well,
Kirsten Duns was huge, yeah, and then playing on stars
all the time was bringing on. And then also there

(49:16):
was drop dead gorgeous and I think that was also
the that opened the door to like character acting for me.
I was like, wait, she's in this, and she's in
this and it's different, and I know her from Jumanji.
Let me find out everything I need to know, Like,
do you get like whenever you see an actor from
that movie, whether they're doing a lot or doing a little,
you must like completely my.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
God, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
I was watching like I was in a hotel room.
I had a random channel on, you guys. I literally
saw Missy acting in a courtroom drama like a couple weeks.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Ago, Eliza out there. Yeah, yeah, like I and I had.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Not seen her since, and I was like, hell, mother
fucking yeah, she's killing it. She's serious, she's acting, she's gorgeous,
She's still incredibly gorgeous, and she I just was like
I could not believe it had been so long for
me personally, you know my part. Yeah, And it was

(50:14):
such a moment, so iconic, so iconic. She have an
impact the way she did. It's like you can never
even imagine.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
No, you can never can She don't watch a true calling.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
She that type of impact doesn't even I don't, I can't.
Does it exist today?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I don't think it probably, you know, I see again,
but there's something happening with Chapel Roone where we called
it a while back, And that's not to take credit
like for us, but it's just like what has happened
in the past couple of months, and I noticed it
from I've seen her live a few times now, Like
over the months, it gets more and more intense. People

(50:53):
are very emotional about it, and you get the sense
that she really speaks to people. I think maybe if
it doesn't happened in film and TV now, it does
happen in a time.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, the time. That's a good point, YEP.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
I saw one of her concerts in La right before
she blew up.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I think I saw you there. I was at the Fonda,
wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yes, Yes, I did see you there, Yes, at the Fonda. Yes.
It was incredible and it was just like you could
tell by the energy in the room like I was.
I saw the diehard fans, everybody was kind of dressed up,
and then I would look at these executives like a
bunch of people had gone to see her as the
last I think it was the last job on her tour,
and I just was like, Oh, something's happening tonight, Like
something's happening tonight, like she's about to go up and off,

(51:34):
up and off.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Up and off.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I went to both of her Brooklyn and Steel nights.
I went to it was Your two nights at her
first night. Was the only time I skipped a Tuesday
writing night. I didn't skip, I just like took a
break because talent people at us and now were like,
we're going to see Chapel.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Do you want to come with? I was like I
got all right, but yeah, yeah. I didn't want to
be there to like talk to them about like what
would booking her be like, and like not that like
again she should do the premiere? This is oh absolutely.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
This was not like me being like pressing my thumb
on the scale being like you should be. I was
just me being like, oh, I want to see you
guys experience her.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
So I went with them, and during casual, I think,
m hm, this person on the talent team turns to
me and great shaker, love you.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
She turns to me, she goes she's special.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
She is.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I was like, yeah, totally. Casual is a very special moment.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
When when everyone is actually living that like and I
feel like everyone's singing it as if they've gone through
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I've never been in a relationship like that, but I
am so fucking angry at the fictional person that put
me through.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
I am angry. You can go that she is doing
cathartic pop.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
My kink is karma is cathartic fucking pop, and justin tranter,
I'm pointing at you. But like legend, but like much
big feelings in the music and that good luck Babe Bridge.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I told you so. They don't sing like.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
That, They don't sing like that, but she's but then
on good luck Baby, it's like that's her giving the
most cape Bush she's ever getten given.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
And then you were saying you saw her live and
she really did hit that note of coach.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Her vocals are not alive.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I mean I left that first concert being like this
is when I saw the fond of the show we
were at and tell me if this makes sense, But
at the time, I said, it's giving Annie Lennox meets Kesha.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Wow, that's that's like the only way I can really
describe it.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Like this, like soul f I see that pop sound
like ethereal, but big voice and this idiotic sort of
like ridiculous, like refusal to take herself seriously in a
way that I loved so much because I think it
reminded me of like being at the beginning.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
When like talk about Union Hall like I will always
I will always cherish those days and I still love going,
but it's like those were good days when like you
could fuck up and fail and it didn't really matter.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
Yeah, if you guys are around, we're doing Sandy and
Peter are doing pig at Union Hall. Wow, we're just
gonna be vibing. But this is this week, Yeah, thirteen gorgeous,
but yeah, I feel you. I feel like the la
version of Union Hall is very much the Virgil like

(54:26):
the hot tub, hot tub of it all.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, I used to do the picture of this sure,
Like it's it's funny like some of the bookers from
that time are still booking shows and they'll email now
and I kind of say, like, I don't really do
that anymore, but they're like, hey, and we know you
don't really perform live anymore.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
But and just seeing that sentence like break my heart
a little bit, like and I think that truth though, well,
you know, I was that kind of person that was
I don't think of that. I think it was like
really free.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
And then during the beginn in the years of the podcast,
I was out there all the time, but we did
more character stuff, Like we were out there like doing
character driven stuff, and we did a lot of sketch
and we took our sketch comedy very seriously. But then
it translated into more individual performance. But by that time
it kind of didn't really get the chance to develop
because other things started happening. And now to know that

(55:19):
I perform live for my Christmas shows and try to
push everyone to there so they can do well. But
you know, you missed that, you know what I mean,
you miss being able to go out there and like
just it you feel easier about it, you know, And are.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
You still out there a lot?

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I am, Yeah, that I let the success and other
things like stop that for me, and I envy that
about you. You still have the raw passion for it
and you're able to get out of your way and
you're like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Going up there.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Well, I mean, do you feel like that comes from
a place of like I don't feel the freedom to
try new stuff. I don't I feel like I have
to come with a finished product, because I'm going to
be like evaluated.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Is that part of the same way as you?

Speaker 4 (55:56):
Yeah, and if I'm not, And.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I have always been way harder on myself than everyone else,
And I know you know what I'm talking about. And
I feel like most of the time I'll be like, well,
I'm not prepared to do that, and then I'll go
up and do it, and I'll understand that I was
prepared the.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Whole time, and I should stop myself.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
So that's just probably a reminder we should always just
tell ourselves. It's like, you can do what you are prepared.
You've worked really hard.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
The way that I have tried to like foster a
space where I can do this is by billing it
as a new material show and being like, oh, this
is loose, this is open mic vibes like come if
you want, I should really you know what I mean,
just like it's a new material show and just being
like that's the vibe, or like literally if you even

(56:42):
need to, And I mean I do this sometimes and
it is kind of a cop out, but like I
do sometimes go like okay, like I earned your trust
with those, can I do a new thing right now? Yeah,
it's like, you know, it's like it gives you a
little more grace to like try it and then you
know whatever. So but but yeah, I mean, but I
just don't want to. I honestly, you guys. Guy Bronham,

(57:03):
he's a writer on Hacks and he was one of
my first days on set was a scene with him
where he was like the head of the Little Debbi's
like Deborah fan club outside the pizza shop in season
one and he said something to me that I never
forgot and at the time it was so like out
I couldn't imagine how it could ever become true. And
then I saw like, oh yeah, I could see how

(57:25):
this would become true. But he said because you know,
he's a comic too, and he was like, I've seen you,
like I appreciate your comedy. I really think you're great,
and I don't want you to stop like you are
now acting and that is a like, you know, that
is far more glamorous than stand up and I he
just was like, don't stop, because you're good and it'll

(57:46):
be really easy to like, you know, this isn't a
better life, Like going on the road is fucked up
and it's hard no matter what and it's very isolating,
and you know, you can be lonely, but like, just
don't like walk away. And he said that to me
the first day, and I at the time, I was like,
I love stand up, How could that ever be true?
And then I started to see, like, yeah, like it

(58:07):
is fucking really brutal, and it's really a hard life,
and it's one you know, if you can tour and
be a headlining comic, that is an immense privilege. But
you know, on a personal level, when you're sitting there
looking up at the ceiling in the hotel room alone
and you're like in a town and it's raining and
you're just like kind of on your own, it's fucking
you know, kind of sad. But every time I feel
that way, I just remember what guy said, because like

(58:28):
he is someone I look up to so much as well,
and I'm like, if he's telling me that, I needed
to hear it, it's a beautiful message, Like, and I
just I don't want a let go of stand up
because it's the only thing that like I really can
do on my own and control. Like it really is
like this beautiful, bountiful well of opportunity for me, and
it always has been, and like I do have this

(58:51):
like thing of like the comedy gods, Like the comedy gods,
like if you appease them and make this sacrifice and
do get on the stage, you know they will smile
upon you. And like I have this like thing that
I've always kind of had with that, and I feel
like still I have to like pray at the altar
of the comedy gods and you know, like continue to
do that because it's given me everything that I have.

(59:12):
You know, It's made it all possible. So I think
that is probably a big reason why I have maintained
like this love for it and doing this hour. I
was very uninspired for like a year before I did
the Hour because I just was like, I'm ready to
put this out, but I still need to do it
on the road and workshop it and get it in
final shape. Ye, But I didn't feel like I was

(59:32):
writing as much new material. And the second we locked it,
like I just felt like new again, Like I felt
like new possibility. I feel like the end of that
project made it so that I could do fifteen minutes
on driving. You know, I could talk about that, I
could really open up and I could say like what
is the deal with stuff?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Again?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
You know what I mean? And that is really powerful.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
So this is so this is such an important Sponge moment.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
This all the way Sponge, especially to internalizing a Guy
Brandham piece of wisdom is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Never a bad idea.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
One hundred unge ass.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
He's we gotta have him back on the pod. You
do get the sense that, like the answer to all
this is to just keep creating. Yeah, And I am
sitting here and I'm like thinking about how and I'm

(01:00:28):
like I do miss like not how stupid I used
to be, but how brave I used to be, you
know what I mean. Like it's like that's that like
I'm a little yeah, you know what I'm saying. You
know what I mean, I totally know what you mean.
And I'm about to say something that's gonna sound so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Terrible. I feel like I feel like I was braver
before this podcast, before us and now you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Know, well, I think like anytime there's eyes on you, yeah, yeah,
of course there's also that. I remember there came a
moment where like I like went back on Twitter or
something was like like popping off on Twitter, just like
tweeting like I used to tweet and the amount of
like weird bad faith and like the weird takes on.
It's just like, oh, this is why I got nervous,

(01:01:17):
and this is why I'm less brave now, is because
like people aren't as forgiving with like stupidity, it's harder
to get things across. And also maybe people forgot people
that follow me forgot that I am and this kind
of brand of idiot, you know what I mean. But
like like you're talking about, like in the beginning, like
we would go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
On stage in any old wig and do any old monologue.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And like let it rip, and like sometimes it would
be sometimes it would be good, sometimes it would be bad.
But we always felt like we were creating after it
and that was never the thing. Now it feels like
creating means like did we sell a show, did we
get did we book this thing? And that's like that's
not creating, that's not being an artist. And also, like
you know, sometimes with this podcast, I can feel like

(01:01:58):
we talk about art so much that that's like you know,
why the Cultural Awards is fun or why this is
fun or that's fun, because like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
That's closer to who we are than like now. On
track six of eternal sunshine. I thought what she was
getting at was interesting because we know stuff and it's
just like, where are the where are the fools? Where
are the clouds? Where are the idiots? They're here, They're within,
They're locked up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
They are you, they are you. But I will say
the Culture Awards like that is okay. First of all,
I was there last year, I believe, and that was Woodstock. Okay,
that was literally I was like, oh, time machine copy that,
I'm in a time machine. I'm now in the past.
This is Woodstock. Literally, this is no legitimately. I was
so like, I have never seen a better crowd in

(01:02:45):
my life before or since. Okay, that was insane. That
was insane. And you guys are like writing that show
in isolation, Like there is something to be said for
that as a skill that you get to because you
threw on the way, because you took her, because you
went down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Every wig was a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
And that for real, Like that is real, and that
is an incredible skill to be able to pull off
something that is so air tight with just within like isolation,
and you're not like bouncing it off a crowd Like
that is a beautiful thing and that is so that
is a true deep connection that y'all still have, like
even if you're like, okay, maybe I'm not doing you know,
like I see that as as something that is so pure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Still it's just attached to you're always harder on yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's what it is like every single week, you know
what I mean, Like you have to you probably have
had to get a little bit better about it about
what about like the amount of self emolation totally because
it's just like you can't happen week after a week.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
No, no, no, And like I would say, identify I
formerly identified as a perfectionist and have now loosened.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
That's identity sense.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Where do you feel like you have landed?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I am going to get at least five hours of sleep? Yeah, yeah,
yeahs enough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I know it's not still it's still about it's still
like a line totally. It's still something for me to
be like all right, time to put this down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
And you've associated amount of sleep with that idea of
like you beating yourself up or like wondering what's enough?

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, I think so it's like it literally should not
keep me up thinking about it, assessing it in hindsight,
like all of it, like working on it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I love work. I love the process capital T, capital P.
But I'm like, let's just set it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Down and it'll always be better in the morning, when
we have a fresh out of like anytime you run
on Tuesday, it's like, Okay, I don't know what this is,
but let's look at it in the morning, and it's
and then like it's means celestium like laughing, laughing, laughing,
like typing type typing on zoom, and it's like I
love that so much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
But the actual process of being like a little fair creator,
a little fairy creator.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
But you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Especially now, I feel like and I think you guys
probably understand this too, like perfection, Like perfection is a
little overrated.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It's like it's nice when it's it's rough.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I kind of don't have that perfectionist like hindsight when
I'm like, oh, that could have been better, that kind
of better anymore, because I'm just like, no, I kind
of like that, especially on us. And now it's like
it's nice that there's this like weird sort of error
and stimulus in the way that it is like made,
in the way that it's performed. It's like this is
so unpolished because there is no other way to polish this,

(01:05:38):
there is no time to polish this, and so therefore
this is what you get, and here it is, here's
your product.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I enjoy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I wish everyone could see what I saw, because I
cannot overstate how going to the show just the weight
of this thing. It like it just took like my
understanding of it to a whole new level, and I
like I wish everyone knew, and in some small ways
through listening to this podcast, I feel like people get
a look into it, but like to be able to

(01:06:06):
see the inner workings of this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
It's so hard, it's amazing what we do is like
it's just purely emotional, I.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Think, I mean, just the demand, Like sure, you know,
like the demand and the pace and it's exciting and
it's incredible, but it's just like I go, yeah, I am.
It puts into context how much of a mere mortal
I am and how much like you guys are operating
on such a higher level.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
That's nice.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I feel like we're all like we're all on the
same level here of like we get emotional about the
things that we make, and so therefore, like no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
No matter what the context is. Yeah, of course it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I'm just sitting here thinking like there's some confronting going on,
like of self, and I'm like, that's probably why I've
done that same fucking Christmas show for six years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Not that it's like not that it's like the same.
It changes every year and I get better every year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
But now I'm fully like Matt Rogers, if you don't
write a new show, if you don't write a new material,
I am disappointed in you. Like I will be disappointed
in myself if I don't create something new, because I
have and it's almost like comical now. And that's part
of what makes that idea funny to me, is like
it comes back every year like Christmas. But I'm like,
stop using it as a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Crutch, you know what I mean. That's like me genuinely
telling myself.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
Like these things you have to stop using them as crutches,
and like, I don't know, it's just we needed we
needed sponge today, we need I needed to tell myself
that anyway we need it, just like we all at
this point in our careers and in our lives, like
we're so lucky to even have retrospect, but you do
have to force yourself to change because it's that comfort

(01:07:45):
in like the quote unquote success that can get you
to a certain place, like you know what I mean,
Like you blessedly won't be at SNL forever one day,
like you know you'll have another role that is different
from hacks, Like if I I'm any good at what
I do, write something new at some point, you know
what I mean, Like and but there it is nice

(01:08:06):
to get to that point totally, Like it almost feels
like no, not everyone like gets to say, like what's
the next act going to be?

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Ye, like it's a really exciting thing it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Is, and reframing it as exciting and it's not like
it's not a negative judgment on you if you don't
do it. It's more so like I can do it,
and I'm excited to do it, and like I and
the audience deserve more and I deserve to feel connected,
you know that spark when something's new. There's nothing like it,
Like you deserve to feel that feeling, Like we all
as artists crave that feeling. And it's like when it

(01:08:39):
comes from you a gifted artisan, like you're operating on
a higher level as well, like by virtue of like
the things that you have done and who you are
as an artist, Like that is exciting, and we all
want to feel that. I watching you want to feel that,
and I want to watch you feel that, you know
what I mean. I like to watch you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
This is another reason why though, that like the older
generation of comedian is like it bumms me out so much.
Is because it's like, I know, when they say shit
like that, it does get in people's heads a little bit,
like when the industry constantly tells you like, oh, we
don't want this type of show, or like this type
of thing isn't working right now, especially like as it's
getting worse and worse, like and harder and harder for
like marginalized voices. Again, you know, we're officially you know,

(01:09:21):
it's not like twenty fourteen anymore where they're like, what's
the what's the deal with this queer thing?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
You know what I mean. It's like it's kind of
more difficult again.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
That is something I resent, you know what I mean,
because yeah, it is in response to like these uninformed opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Yeah they're shouting us down, Yeah, you know what I mean.
And that feels like so opposite of the spirit that
I know uplifted our entire peer group and like it
that I guess does piss me off that it's like
you're trying to make us afraid to do what we
do because you're trying to tell us, as an authority
figure that you know better and that you see the future.
But you don't see the future. You can't even participate

(01:09:57):
in the present. So why should the function I listen
to you about what the future is or like what
the past even was. You had you perspective on that too,
So like, why are you trying to make it an uncomfortable,
scary atmosphere.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
New John Waters Coaches dropped in an interview, and this
supplies to us, me and you once you turn third,
each shut up just to just stop talking.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Actually major, Well, I'm twenty nine, so I have one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Yeah, it was a bit more time. You got about
a year. If anyone's favorously, Oh my.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
God, that was so awesome. It was in that chair.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
She was in that chair when she rocked the world.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Did definitely get in the head that went hard. Yeah,
but she she's the smartest, she's like, so it's just
like it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Well, it's not every time. I don't think so, Honey.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Just sort of that one minute segment bo when you
say or you rant and rave against something in pop culture,
that definitely make a noise. Okay, So I have something
and it's sort of it's sort of a sequel to
one that I did a while back. It's even the
same words, but it's different content.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think so, Honey's time starts now once again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I don't think so, Honey. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics.
Do you think that they wanted this? Do you think
that they wanted to get back together and then have
it dissolve in this way? Guys, please, they are both
trying the best they can. Maybe they don't even know
how to try the best they can, but they're definitely trying.
I have to say, like the amount of attention they get,
of course, it's their responsibility a little bit, like they

(01:11:43):
you know, it's not like they they don't traffic in
it a little bit. But this can't be what they wanted,
and so don't pile on the people. You know what
I mean they want to be happy, just like everyone else.
We all saw the movie, and by we all, I
mean however many people out there that actually streamed it
like we did, but we can in the culture.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
And I don't think there was like a false bone
in that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I think she really genuinely thinks this is all the
things that we're gonna make her happy, and it didn't
work out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
So don't punch the woman when she's down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
She had to cancel the goddamn tour, Like do you
know it's so it's that that was the last resort
canceling the tour, Like just leave j Lo, b and Ben.
I let him get his dunkin Donuts and peace. Clearly
the man is like just wants his dunkin Donuts, you
know what I'm saying. So I say, swiped a card.
I'm sure he's got, like, you know, a certain card

(01:12:32):
there that gets like VIP status. Swipe the card, Ben
and Jlo You're gonna be okay, just take a break
and that's one minute. Yeah, Jayla's going through it right now.
In every way.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
I just people treat their I.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Like you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
They're not zoo animals, guys and kids and yaff like
we not so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
It's just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And I remember, I remember I said years ago, I
don't think Santy ben afflegain Jaylo critics let her get
her best nut. I feel like she really she followed
her heart back to her best nut. And how can
you blame her for doing that?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Like in times of struggle, we sometimes will just go
back to our best nut and it's a reminder. And
maybe she didn't have the person a reminder, but don't
just go back to your best nut, because the best
nut is a nut that stopped for a reason, you
know what I'm saying. Yea yeah, And it's like this
actually can be a great reminder to everyone, Like just
because it was your best nut does not mean that

(01:13:31):
it's gonna be the nut.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
It can't be the final that but you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Jlo will not sponge that because she doesn't want to,
because she's like, is a nan it's romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
She wants that fantasy, I know, And I wonder when
she'll realize that the fantasy is not something that can
ever be real.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
But it's like, wow, she figures it out, you can't like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
And I also wonder, like how much of it is
them like being photographed without the ring and like trafficking,
and that's sort of like two thousands paparazzi mentality that
maybe some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
People think is still a thing to engage in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
But I'm like, the whole thing is exhausting and also
like we don't need the narrative, the press narrative again,
like and like the whole thing is just like I
really thought they wouldn't break up, and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Now that they are, I'm like, oh no, we all
got it. We all got it, We all got everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
But that was exciting in the beginning, wasn't That was
really fun for us.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Because it made you believe that it could happen again.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I remember I even said on this podcast, like that
really fucked me up, knowing that they found each other again.
And Bowen Yang was like, well, and now we found
out where the le divorce.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
All we can say is that we hope Jennifer Gardner
is doing well and protecting her peace.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Probably doing good, I know, but she's I I do
want to She's in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
The garden, she's overalls, dirt on the overalls.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Yeah, but like she must not be feeling great things either.
She must feel so complicated about all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Father were kids, Yeah, what are they going through?

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
You know, my god, it touches everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
You know. You mentioned Jennifer Garner in the Garden. Have
you ever noticed that Jennifer Garner does a lot of
movies where like her kids are plants or her plants
are kids, Like a lot of times, Like she definitely
did a movie where her kid was a plant and
then like she was upset when the plant died because
it was her kid, and it's like, well, you know,
the kid is a plant. I think it was The
Odd Life of Timothy Green. Just feel like often times

(01:15:32):
Jennifer Garner is in a film where her kids are
in mortal peril or dead already or like gonna die
because they're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
A plant, and it's gay love Simon. Yeah, So that's
what I'm saying, Like kid and emotional. You can breathe now, Simon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Like she clearly is someone whose heart is like touch
that by like I want to do a movie about
the power of like me protecting my kids, love for
my kids. So at least that you know what I mean,
Their mom is rock solid. Daddy and stepmom figure it
out right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
But she she has been she has seen every angle
of motherhood. Yes, and she knows how to direct that
in the best way for her children to it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
From both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Now you ready bowen, Jevin. I don't think so wanted
to do well, this is good, this is bangs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
I don't think so. Twenty time starts now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
I don't think so money packing shoes in luggage. It's
taken up two thirds of my space all of a sudden,
for one hair.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
One hair.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
And the best I can do to stuff into that
shoe is maybe a pill case, maybe a glass's case,
maybe a toothbrush if it's being covered. But shoes in
suit We have to think of a better way to
travel with shoes because they the footprint literally is too big.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
It's too big in the suitcase. And I don't that
means I do not pack my portable steamer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Oh, Hannah's got a stomper, and I bet you didn't
love solving me that A little puzzle in your away
bag maybe whatever whatever your luggage is. I just think
we need to I can't believe technology is not advanced
enough to solve for this. I don't know what we
have to do. There's certainly no political section to this.

(01:17:15):
I'm not confident or hopeful in a technological one. So
I think we just need to invent something that's smaller
than shoes, but we can wear on our feet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
And that's a minute. Like, I guess we're gonna have
to figure out how to fold up a shoe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
We need a foldable shoe also because they are the
last thing you think to put in the bag, because
you're like, oh, I need my sweatshirts, my socks, my
underwear and my this, and then you're like, oh god,
because then you know, it is always an acrimonious between
like the dob kit and the shoes. Oh know what
I mean, they're fighting the fighting, they're fighting for time.

(01:17:46):
The piece of the pie is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
That's all right, So how did it go? Were you
able to get everything back? Well?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
I have to say all I had were white sneakers
play and white sneakers for Fire Island, and these black
I'll say, like loafers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Yeah, but you wore some pretty sick loafers on the island.
But that's not the ideal shoe situation. Period. No matter
where you go, you want, you want at least three
pairs of shoes with you, don't You I do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
And and this is you're not checking, You're you're on
a faery. How do you get the fire on take?
You gotta take a fer So, so what if it
is the like the zipper bag that goes over the
handle of the luggage, and that's just shoe bag, it's
shoe toiletry bag. Interesting, it's a secondary bag. That's my
only that's my first thought.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Thank you and thank you and thank you for like
thinking of of that. I think we should all meet
at some point NASA at NASA to figure out a
foldable off the guys, girls, guys and girls.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
And whoever is working there. We're coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
The worst is when you have tried to figure out
and and finally figuregued it out like a spot for
that like third pair of shoes, and then they never
get worn on the trip, and then you're like, oh god, like,
do you remember those blue loafers I wanted to wear?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
You didn't wear them?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
No, Because I actually, like I was excited about the
blue loafers that I honestly forgot I had. They were
in the back of my closet. They're cute, and then
I just didn't have an outfit that they would go with,
which I didn't think when I was packing up. I
just thought, Wow, my loafers fit, and I didn't look
at the corresponding closed to see if anything would make sense.
And then I go to Bowen Yang, who I trust

(01:19:31):
very much sartorially, and I look at him and I say,
do these loafers work or are they too much? And
to his credit, he really tried. He looked at me
and he was like yeah, and then he goes, maybe
too much, and I was like too much? And they
never got worn, right, But.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
You packed them and you did not pack to coordinate
with the shoe because you were so worked up and amazed.
But you were so amazed the shoes literally fit. And
so that is the wind. That is the victory.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
I don't have to think of anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Yeah, right, I have started to do the like fitting
before the packing. Where I'm going, I'm creating outfits, I mean,
and that's the luxury of time, of course, but if
you can get if you can work that in, that's
just going. Here is the pant, Here is the shoe.
These are the shirts, right, These are the shirts, and
so that kind of consolidates and it's like it's two shoes.
This is the one I'm wearing on the planet's bulkier.

(01:20:26):
The other one goes, you know, in the suitcase. That's
that's how I've been been doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
I mean, you're an expert at this point. You've been
on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Look, you know, folks, I'm going really small bag on
the road. Okay, you got to have economy going on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
You're usually not checking, never, never checking. Well, because it's
adds so much time, so much time.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
I'm flying the day of the first show. Yeah, I'm in,
I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I also feel like we need to stop the culture
of going at putting an outfit together. Shirts forward, pants, well,
start from the pants, Start from the pants, or start
from the shoe. That could be a moment and a half,
ground up ground speaking of them, But isn't it tragic
that you might be limited to two shoe options in
a given trip, That's all I'm saying. And then here
I am with a third pair that are perfectly lay

(01:21:14):
but I just didn't have anywhere to wear them.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Ah, it's brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
It's brutal. It was brutal. What a brutal trip.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
That was a moment and a half. This is going
to be a minute and no half. This is a minute,
which is I don't think so, honey, this is your
sort of moment. Are you ready for this? I have
to be ready and that's actually dead ass. Yeah, cyana Einbinders,
I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
I don't think so, honey. Stubbing my toe, Oh no,
that hurts you, guys, I'm going ouch, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying ouch. I'm screaming in pain. So you're telling me,
I'm on my way somewhere, I'm trying to get something.
I'm actually typically in a rush, and I'm stubbing my
toe and nothing's ever hurt more. I've broken bones, I've
broken bones. I'm fallen from heights. You guys know my past.
I explored that very extensively on this podcast episodes. I've

(01:21:58):
fallen from heights. I know pain, and no pain is
more severe than the ancestral pain that rages through the
foot when you stub the toe. I don't think so, honey.
Stubbing your toe on the side of the thing that's
never been sharper shut? What is up with the sharp
stuff around me? I'm stubbing my goddamn toe and the
big toe. I'm not walking around if I lose access

(01:22:20):
to that. It doesn't stop hurting, It doesn't alleviate the pain.
The pain is persistent. And I'm just supposed to keep
walking around here. But I can't. I can't live in
this world. I don't want to live in the world
where I'm stubbing toes all the time. I don't think so, honey,
stubbing your toe and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
And I think we all felt that like energetically, and
we also all felt that physically because at one point,
but what just goes?

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Oh? And I could tell it was because he was
having a flash. I had sensed memory flashback. But why
does it hurt like that? Well? Anytime I stub my toe?

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
You know what I first thought is, if I'm in
any sort of physical accident that hurts any other part
of my body, I will perish. I will pair it
my body well, will will not know how to process it.
That it is the deepest pain anyone's ever felt when
I stiffed my toe. Yes, and I get it makes
me And as you were saying this, I how twisted

(01:23:14):
is it that my thought was, well, we should eliminate corners.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
I almost thought, touching to you, you should baby proof
your house if you're that concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
And then down the road it's already done if you
ever want to have kids, like, it's already babyproofd I
baby proofed it for myself because I remember that's what
it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
It's you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
It's from like the paper cut school of senseless, worthless pain.
It's just like why, it's so stupid. It's not even like,
it's not even like, yes, one time I was in
an accident and as a result I learned something. It's like, no,
I got a paper cut. Now I'm in pain for
a stupid reason because I'm so dumb. I could barely
hold paper.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
I was so it was it was such a such
a page turner that I'm slicing my fing the weakest
substance a piece of paper. That's the most bullshit thing
in rock paper scissors, and now bleeding.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
It's like, come on, not for nothing but your toe,
something you barely need. Is getting careful now what I mean?
Some people need their toes, you.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Cind, I mean, isn't there that right you? I don't
want to speak out a turn you might need you
might need them. It's just like you could walk in
It's like if you lose the you know, it could
impair balance.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
When I had athletes foot, I wanted to cut my
foot off. No, I had athletes foot so bad. I
heard I thank you that I wanted to cut off
my foot. I felt like that would be preferable. You
remember what it's like to have an injury from from
the billion back in the day. You ever get like
ten iish or something. My god, I had got so
bad one time, I was like, take my leg, take

(01:24:46):
it out, take it off, pay gato. I would rather
not have this part of my body than experience the paint.
And when you stub your toe.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Oh, I've broken toes, it's the same feeling. Are you
broken fingers? Oh yeah, how many breaks I've broken fingers.
I've broken this elbow. I broke several toes, and it's
the same feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
You're so. I've broken this arm twice in my childhood.
Same pain.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
It's the same pain, you guys. I can't even say,
there's nothing worse than what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Broke, nothing worse.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I'm just scared because you just said I've broken bones, eye,
broken bones, and now I have to say out loud,
I've never broken a bone, and that is something you never.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Said because my side and I'm gonna get hit no butt,
it's gonna hurt just as bad as you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
You don't know what. You can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
You've gone this long, You're not gonna can I just
say on the paper cut note, on the paper cut note.
This is the only time you'll catch me saying thank
God for screens. I don't miss the stuff. I don't
miss the sheets. Oh ship, keep the rings at home.
Wait the screen like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Like screen prefer like like like phone. I'm sorry, should clarify.
I thought you meant like a screen door. No, I'm
saying like digital everything. Well, you've blessed you these horror stories.
Get the documents away.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Yeah, well, you've heard these horror stories about people just
walking into glass doors. You've heard the horror stories. There
are so many people out there, that's an epidemic. Some
people are so good at cleaning their windows and doors
that you cannot see them from being seen through. So
you'll go right into your flocko whatever that the owl
flock of the owl who died by crashing into a

(01:26:31):
building a glass.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
A terrible story, so sad. But birds everywhere are doing this,
crashing into buildings. It's so terrible. Have you ever really
been there when a bird hit a window? No, I
don't want to think about it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Oh my god, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Well, we were talking the other day about how birds
are so amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Oh my god. Crows please, crows, crows love them. Crows
are highly intelligent, highly intelligent they are. They can remember faces,
they can do tasks. No, crow are crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I have a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
What do you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
When a crow tries to throw a party but no
one comes? An attempted murder?

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
It's really good?

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Is that good? Hey? Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Hey? I was cinderellas? How bad? It's sports? Why runs
from the ball?

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yo?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
I want like that kind of that needs to make
a comeback, that kind of set up punchline, lappy tappy ship?

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Yes, what here we go?

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
Is a pirate's favorite letter R? You'd think it be R,
but tis the C that he loves.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
That was elect.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Special.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
That's my opener with the murder joke.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Could never know she could have?

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
Wouldn't letter.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Is in charge? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
This has just been joyful, triumphant. In the words of
a Christmas song, You.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
Guys, thank you really truly for having me. I'm so
number one fan vibes, and this is so genuinely the
true gift of my life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
You are the true GT. Thank you God.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
So awesome fucking thing special, the show, the many things,
the abundance of Hannah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
Yeah, I just remember, like I'm excited for you and
happy for you, and I understand why you're here worth
emotion because like it is like sharing a piece of
yourself with everybody when you release that special. If you
ever get lucky enough to do that, I'm sure you will,
like whenever you really put something into an hour and
then give it to people. So I hope you enjoy it,
and I hope it's like a really beautiful the premierees night.

(01:28:55):
We're gonna go, and I hope it's a beautiful night,
and I hope that you can work on in the
next few hours. Uh, taking all that love and just
being like I'm gonna hold it because you deserved it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Well. When I hear it from the two of you
and I look in your eyes, I feel it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
We must have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Because the title episod would be Sponge maybe Sponge. We
end every episode with a song, Oh my god, this
is perfect because what were we watching in cherry Grill
the other night last night? Who lives in a pineapple
under the SpongeBob square bats.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
And yellow porns? Disease, SpongeBob square Bags. I'll know that
there's something you went touch bare.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
A Benpongebob Ra, Sugebob square Bet, suge Bob square bets,
Sungebob square Bets, Sungebob square beat, Do do do doo?

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Why was that square pant? Why was that such emotional note?
If you see those sheet music, that is an emotion.
Pungebob square Everything to God, To God by Lost Culture.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Recis is in production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
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Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive
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Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Dami and
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