"The Promise of the Premise" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture. Lost
culture is just calling my girl has me laughing straight away.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Well, you know, I just had to comment on the glow,
the berries glow shut.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Up literally looking at myself in the in the zoom screen. Yes,
the grid, the grid. Okay, So in terms of alcohol
these days, do you feel the next day like it's
a little different, like immediate puffiness, immediate puffiness. Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I mean not to refer to the last episode, but
the video of that is really a rough for me
because I am puffy, blotchy, redden spots that make no sense.
I've got archipelagos on the face. It's really crazy and
that's perfect example for me.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
But what about you. I just feel like it's funny
that you say, like, wow, you look so healthy with
a glow. Literally the other day I was like, oh yeah,
I'm like I've been really good. It's like I was
calling it dry ish January. By the way, I thought
you looked absolutely incredible in the video. I thought everyone
involved it amazing. I thought the lights were perfect. I
thought they weren't too harsh at all in the room,
though they were Breckt Well, No, I was just thinking

(01:19):
the other day, like I'll have like a night out
and the next day it's like it's a different face.
And I think that's just what happens when you get
a little bit old, you know. Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, Now, lots of culture since the last episode, would
you say, you're got up?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Oh damn, you really really launched us into the topics
at a hand here with that one. I had that loaded.
I definitely am caught up. I made a little list
and so just you know, because I know you're all
chomping at the bit, we're not going to do our
goblet of years today because there's so much culture to
talk about. Slash we both didn't make the document to follow,

(01:59):
so that's just the reality of today. But fear not,
fear not, because I really feel there's so much to discuss.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
And ninety three we weren't going to do like a
slipshod job with it. It's a big year, so we
got to really do the homework, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's a Jurassic But okay, so you sort of belted
those notes before cut up, and I'm really I belted,
I really belt it that you really belted that you
said that with the chess. Wow, all of this is
gonna come together later. What'd you think of Usher? Were

(02:36):
you absolutely thrilled with the performance. I was so happy.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, watching him, I was like, this is an entertainer.
That whole production was Atlanta and Vegas. It was so
those cities, all the elements were great. I mean, this man,
that quick change. I looked one minute under one minute
insane for him to go into well granted he was

(03:03):
shirtless going into the roller skate loook. Yeah, one minute,
and I just my quick change girl is out there?
Who know who have practical knowledge of this?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Have you ever your little Broadway cunts, your little Broadway
cunts in the words of in the words of great American?
Have you experienced quick change culture at all? I have. Yeah,
I did amateur sketch, not not on the level that
you did, but I've done quick changes for show. Someday.
You're for show someday You're going to have like three
people waiting for you in the wings with an open

(03:34):
jacket with pants with like a wig like and wide
eyes and wide eyes. And I just want to say,
one minute is nail bier time. It's crazy. First of all,
it's really much shorter than you think. Okay, one minute,
like one minute on the clock, Like you're really on

(03:56):
the clock there, like you better hurry.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
One minute in Vegas is I mean talk about a
New York minute. That's a Vegas minute.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Baby. It's like fire Island time moves a little differently there. Wow?
Who wrote that? A tortured poet? Joel Boster from the
Torture Poet's Department. Now, if Taylor is the chairman, who
is Joel vice chair Byce Royce ROI very Star Wars

(04:24):
episode one? Okay, continue Usher, Usher? Oh No, that's I mean,
I do have it.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I don't think somebody that's about an element of this
that is not specific to anyone on that stage that night.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
But it's a thing that I think.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
We we have the means to correct, and yet we
still in the year twenty twenty four, don't get right.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And I want to talk about this later on. Oh
my god. Well now I'm absolutely I feel baited. I'm
edging for that. So my opinion on the Usher performances,
I think it got better, it sharted and I thought, okay,
there's a lot going on. Yeah, I just think I
was contrasting it with like Rihanna's perform last year, which
was so like for the cameras and the colors were

(05:03):
so clear, and she was so like focused and like
it was just very.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That was a new kind of Super Bowl performance that
was like all innovation. Rice one was was pretty. I
think it's huge to tradition and a way that totally
was fine and acceptable. And also that's a man and
men just don't do it for gay men in the
way that women do.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Does that mean yeah, But that being said, I do
think that he was dressed like one of the world's
top ten gayest men. Like I do think his outfits
are often what I would call so gay, especially that
blue number he came out in and did the Rollerskates on.
I think that like there was so much here for
the gay male. I for example, Usher was shirtless, Usher

(05:48):
was dancing, Usher was looking gay. And I say this
as the biggest compliment, like, whenever a straight man can
come out looking that gay, I think it's so incredible,
And I think that was actually a message to the
world that gay is here. I think that was an
LGBTQ performance. Plus, even if I had any note for
the performance, It's the same note that I have for

(06:09):
the lgbtqbus community, which is too much, too much at
the beginning, you know what I mean, that's true note
for the community, Yeah, too much. I just thought at
the top there was so much going on that I
couldn't like see it. But once a Lisha came out,
and once we got over that first note, we got

(06:29):
we got through greener pastors, and I loved watching the
Mybu performance. I thought Alisha looked amazing, Alicia looked great,
and you know, that was a throwback moment and that
chemistry is still there between those two totally. I thought
once we got through, when we got him off that
first mic and we got into the performance, then I
thought the performance got better, Like the roller skating was incredible.

(06:51):
He's obviously amazing, But you know, I thought overall was
like of seven.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, seven seems good. You're not in the
beginning of it there being too much. I think that's
a camera because it would like some girl in a
tux would do a backflip and the camera would follow
her for some reason. But it's like, no, we want
to look at usher, like.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Why something for sure was happening with the camera there
was something going on at the top. And again this
is like so small and nipicky because the performance was great.
His songs are I remember like when I saw him
in Vegas, I was like, wow, so you know so
many more of these than you realize it is. It's
like an arsenal of hits, which I think is so
important in a subway performer. And I want to get

(07:31):
your opinion about, like who the next couple great super
Bowl headlines you want to see are like, did you're
talking subway performer? Did I say subway performer? I think, really,
can we get can we roll back? Can we get
a conversation? I said subway in a subway performer? Yes,

(07:52):
says yeah, I'm sorry. I just had to acknowledge that.
I was like, you're calling Usher, like, no, no, I
I don't think Usher has needed to busk. Ever, that
was a slip of the tongue. No, no one involved
this a subway performer. And also this is I say
it with all the respect to also by performers. Many
of them could probably do the Super Bowl and do

(08:13):
a fabulous job, a bang up job. Now, what was
your original question? What do you think we're gonna see
In terms of next great super Bowl headliner, the girls
and I were sort of kicking this around the other day,
like because it feels like there aren't too too many
people who are like monoculture huge that would excel at

(08:34):
the super Bowl. And then we kind of kicked around,
like a couple names that we think could do it, Like,
obviously there's Taylor, will get to her. There's a lot
to discuss about Taylor this week. I was thinking, especially
after the Grammys, like Miley would be amazing. I also
think Dua would be amazing, But I want to know
what you think do it would be amazing. Miley would
be amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Because we really are hitting a plateau with like in
terms of people who have not been picked to do it. Yeah,
And I don't know if it's a matter of cooking
of like letting the girls cook for a little exactly
before they're ready. But I feel like things have been

(09:18):
simmering for some decades for some of these girls now,
like Usher. I would say this was like the right
time for Usher totally, but he could have done it,
like at any point in the last ten years, probably,
But I wonder what that math is or what the
factors are, and I'm like, there's a million decisions that
go into picking the right person. Yeah, I mean Taylor.
She you want to talk about Taylor now or doing it?

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I guess my thing is like the thing about Miley
and Dua there is It's like Doua's basically a cheerleader.
She puts on a great show, and she has enough
hits that are like mainstream big hits that everyone knows
where they could keep coming and it will be a
really fun show and you kind of can sing in
your mind's eye what that would be. And then Miley

(09:59):
is just such a huge name and does have the
big songs. I do think that there's an argument to
be made about like letting them cook more like you
were saying, because we were saying, like, you know, after
like another album or two, both of them are like
no brainers. But I was just thinking, like what would
what would I want to see? I feel like the
rubric is the person has to be huge enough where

(10:22):
at every Super Bowl party, everyone's gonna say, oh, so
and so is doing the game, and we all know
who that is. No one has to be explained who
Beyonce is. No one has to be explained who Lady
Gaga is. It's that same thing. So that's one tier,
and then then other tier is that person has to
be willing and able to do the work to put
on that good and that level quality of a show.

(10:46):
And so those are the two things. And also in
that second thing, it's like wanting to do that, you
know what I mean, Like like I don't know if
someone like Mariah Carey would want to do that, because
it's a lot of pressure. Do you think Ario, I
don't would want to do the Super Bowl? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, right, it's a lot of pressure. My gud is
telling me not anytime soon. But I would have to
ask the girl, and I don't want to bother her
with that kind of question.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, Collor, you guys met during the Wicked trailer. No,
bo Ariana met during the making of the Wicked trailer.
The making of the Wicked trailer. Yeah, you guys made
that great trailer that showed during the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
But we met during the making. All you're saying we
met the circumstances of our meeting. Of our first meeting
was for the making of the Wicked trailer, but just
the trailer.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, you guys have been shooting the Wicked trailer for
a couple of years now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I can't wait to do the movie at some point.
I think that'll be really fun.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Congrats grad on the Wicked trailer. I mean, blink and
you'll miss me. Yeah, but you know what, guess what
you know who noticed you? Meme creators and that's all matters.
They got you, They got you turning around and they said,
but when you really gave that gay gaze, listen, he
turned around like like a fag and should I mean,

(12:05):
everyone get ready, I'm really showing my range. I'm playing
a gay guy, but you know I'm playing a hater
for the first time. Oh my god. Wait, thank you
for that. You made a distinction. He's not just any
gay guy. Fanny is a read the discourse. Honey, girl,
you want to do some Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I've been researching. I've been researching. No, this guy sucks
and frankly is a racist.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
He sees a green person and he goes, I'm going
to fucking ruin that person's life.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Wow. You had to go to the depths of really,
you had to go to the most disgusting part of
yourself and reach deep down in order to play Fanny
in this film Wicked trailer, the trailer, yeah, yeah, yeah,
the trailer.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I will say, the discussions going into Fanny, like John
Mshu God bless him is a director down no small parts,
is like, let's sit down and talk about Fanny and
GHENTI yeah. And then me and Brahmin were like absolutely,
And then Ari was there and then we all the
four of us like talked about these people, and I
think we arrived at something really interesting And I can't

(13:18):
wait for you guys to see.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I can't wait to see like what happened when you
guys really sat down and put Benza paper and said,
who's a crazy sycophantic, racist gig guy in this world?
You know what I mean? Like, and his name is Fanny?
Like me? Is that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah yeah yeah it looks good girl. I love the train.
The train absolutely. The train was a huge moment. Now
what do you think of this?

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Some people pointed out that they made that bitch Dorothy
walk when they had trains the whole time to the
Emerald City. What do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
I think they lied to Dorothy several times about what
she was capable of. What she could do, and I
think she showed them because can I tell you something,
Dorothy did it backwards eden heels and it's actually really
number fifty six. Dorothy Gales was a legend.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I think Dorothy walked forward and that's a kitten heel, bitch,
that is not a real full fledged My.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
God, drag her. You're like, my girl, you're a real bootlecker.
You're like I saw Arianna walking in stilettos on set.
Dorothy was in a kitten heel. And you said she
didn't do it backwards. She in fact had a lot
of friends helping her skip along the way, skip along
the way.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
She was arm in arm with these fucking freaks. As
I mean, it's not spoiler alert, it's you know, this
is wicked. But like Scarecrow and tin Man, they're users.
They used Dorothy to help Alphaba escape, do you know
what I mean? Very smart?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, I mean I think that the manipulation amongst that
group can only be described as they're definitely in contention
for traders. Susan God, get get them on the cast.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Get Scarecrow, Fierro, get Tin Man, fucking boch Yes, get
them on cast.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh my god, this is the only like real plot
hole though in Wicked and Wizard of Us to me
is like Fierro was Scarecrow all along, like make it
makes sense to me. I'm sorry, girl, I'm out. I'm
not seeing this girl. Take it up with Gregory maguire.
He knows I just truth.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Okay, can I say? Can I reveal? There was one
set visit where Gregory McGuire caane. It was very exciting.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I never know if you actually can reveal these things,
like you're the Can I say, can I reveal? I
think I'm okay to say this, and then you always
say absolutely, and then I'm always like so nervous, but
here you go, I can say this, roll it out,
say this.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Gregory Maguire came to set and then I went over
to say hello to him. He was so nice, and
then I think, I think this is a lie. And Gregory,
this is your if you're listening, because this is literally
what he said, you must confirm. He goes and I
really enjoy your podcast. I was like, oh, thank you,
mister McGuire. You think Gregory maguire is a reader Katie
Publisist finalist, I can't picture him listening to this podcast is.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
A man that is a cultured man.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Who is I'm gonna say out of the traditional demo
of this podcast, and I say that with love and
respect and admiration. But that's Gregory Maguire, one of the
most successful authors in the last twenty years.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Boh, and I'm telling you I never put it past
anyone nowadays. I think everyone listens to this, everyone and
their mother. I think everyone's at home listening streaming. I
think that they are absorbing. I think you think maguire
is listening with Gregory. I think he listens with his mom.
I think a lot of people do. Oh my god,
that's let me tell you this is huge, this podcast.

(16:49):
I mean listen and it's a nominee for Best Pop
Culture Podcast. I thought my Heart Radio Awards, you know,
like we're here breaking down the latest in pop culture.
It's us versus Bethany Frankel headline. We are in the
wrong category here, That's okay.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Look, they couldn't give it to us every year. We
were very honored by Podcast of the Year last year.
And don't forget it, and don't forget it twenty twenty
three a competitive year.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh yeah, this is this is a real nail biter. Okay,
so the Wicked trailer. That was great. I was very excited.
A lot of people have their favorite images from the
trailer because you know that something that happens is you know,

(17:35):
or something will come out and like people will be like,
oh my god, this and they'll show a picture from
the trailer. This is sort of main culture. Oh Jonathan
Bailey like getting his face stroked. I think a lot
of people are very excited about his face and the
stroke in question, you know what I mean. People are
very excited about the final roar of the song, which

(17:57):
you know, if you were truly like like you know,
someone scurrying around the internet, you had heard it before
because it was out there, but to hear it, to
hear the trailer, oh yeah, that was major. Major.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Put some sauce on it, texture mm hmm. It was
really I mean, is it not thrilling? I got goosebumps.
I'd already heard it, and I got goosebumps when I
watched the trailer for the first time. They went, wow,
good job.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
There were at least ten meetings about should we put
the riff in the trailer? Like I think you got
to give the riff, give the riff that is that's
gonna put butts in seats, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
If there was any question about whether there'd be butts
in seats. I just feel like, you know, it's the trailer,
it's the Wicked trailer, it's the super Bowl, like we
know there's going to be that note like, let's hear it.
And I think it sounded fucking great and it looked thrilling.
I also I saw some people posting like this was
my reaction to the Wicked trailer, and like those things

(18:55):
of like someone taking a video of themselves reacting to it. Yeah,
like what we do? I think it's funny. I don't know.
I'm not dragging. I'm not dragging.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm just questioning, like the conventions of this new thing
where I'm watching me watch, watch me watch, and I go, okay,
but what can you give me a reason to watch?
Can I get commentary during? Can I get commentary after?
Some of these girls are just posting pictures of their
silent faces, and I go, I'm gonna need a little

(19:26):
bit more than that.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I'm not dragging. I'm saying, can we deliver on the promise?
Of the premise.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You are. You are a hungry bottom for a take,
for a dissection. You want to hear the discourse.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
We're putting our necks out every week giving our takes.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Authenticity is so dangerous and expensive. You know how much
trouble I could get in for anything? You know, Bowen
Yang is, He's endangered species out here, an honest public figure.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Come on, I'm getting in trouble. I'm gonna in trouble everywhere.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Everywhere you go. Wait, what was it? Oh? So basically
like people were seen excited to see her in the bubble.
I was excited to see her in the bubble. We
saw a lot, We saw a lot of iconography. It
was a really good trailer and for me, it gave
a lot love. What else we else is a super
Bowl moment.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I would say the homes dot Com commercial starring Dan
Levy and Heidi Gardner. Yeah, she needed more lines. Give
Heidi more lines. But you know what, I'm sure she
and I don't want to speak for her.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
But good job getting the bag. That's That's what I
consoled myself with the whole time as I sat there
watching it, and I felt she did enough enough lines
I'm like, well, at least she got this huge fucking check,
and really cados to everyone got the big check. I

(20:47):
just felt, you know, my girl could have been given
a couple more of the punchlines. Right. What else? Super
Bowl moment? I didn't watch the game this year, but
so I for sure did and I was watching it
at a party where it wasn't like a ton of people,
so we could watch a lot of the commercials and stuff,
like we did see the Beyonce commercial in the clean

(21:07):
and so were you watching when? So you were not watching? Okay,
so we were watching when she at the end. Let's
just transition into this now. So we were watching where
at the end of the commercial. By the way, she
did a very fun commercial and it was with Tony Hale.
Surprised to me, I was like, she said yes to this?
Not only does she say yes, she's drank a Celsius
for she was excited to act.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
She was excited to act and give comedy. But a
lot of setups, a lot of costume changes, a lot
of buy in for her. You had to imagine that
she I wonder what the convincing was for her to
be like, sure, I'll put on these pink kitten headphones
and like type on a little gaming keyboard like Beyonce
like as an image, as someone who is rightfully protective

(21:49):
of her image. So I'm like, I want to know
what that conversation was to be, like be It's gonna
be really funny and then Tony's gonna come in to
your left and blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Anyway, the commercial I did see. I did consume the
content in the right order, which was saw the Verizon
commercial on Instagram because I was on Instagram during the game.
And then she says drop the new music, and I go, what, Yeah,
So I leapt out of my chair when she said that.
It was during the Super Bowl, and by the way,
at that point, the I believe the halftime show had happened,

(22:19):
and so the game was kind of over for me
at that point, because I will say the game was
extremely boring until I guess it got could later. But
I had sort of bailed at that time because this
commercial happened and she says they're ready drop the new music.
So I leap out of my chair. I say what,
I go to anywhere where. Let's just say someone like

(22:41):
Taylor would immediately have shit ready, you know what I mean,
Like you feel like you'd log onto Instagram and like
it would be there. Beyonce was teasing us a little
bit because it wasn't immediate that things were upright. It
became clear in the minutes after that moment what was happening.
Like in piecemeal, we were truly like ravenous for it.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
What an innovator though, Like she gives us that little
window where we kind of go into a frenzy.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well, I guess the whole commercial was like break the Internet,
and I was like, Okay, well she just might with
this one because I'm sure every person who cares is like,
which that number must register in the millions, must be
online like trying to figure out what the fuck is
going on. So then you find out it's the country album.
She's fully launching us into the era act too. Whether

(23:30):
it's called Renaissance Act Too or if it's going to
be like Act to some other name, we don't know.
We don't know much, but we know more than we
did March twenty ninth. It is a country album. Two
songs are out Texas Hold'em and sixteen Carriages Your Thoughts.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I was driving all day yesterday while you on the
group chat were popping off with the rest of the
girls about things, and my thoughts are Sixteen Carriages is
kind of new ground genre a side, not even genre
aside Daddy Lessons was kind of like the precursor to

(24:07):
all this, as we all know. But I think what's
really interesting is to hear a thing about this time
in her life in this sort of bittersweet balanced way,
because either she's talked about her upbringing and like committing
herself and making the sacrifices to become the star in
a very bravado braggadocious way, as in like flawless or

(24:28):
something and the.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Queen you can't touch me, You've I've been out, Would
you stop now? Yeah? Like that hell energy.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, even like the diva officsoshraphear is like since fifteen
of my Stiletto's like that kind of thing or sixteen
I don't know what the exact age is in the song,
but either it's bravado or it's like pure tragedy, as
in like a pretty hurts where she's like knocking down
the trophies, you know, talking about how like you know,
like the things that we're ingreened in her growing up.

(24:56):
This sixteen Characters to me feels incredibly like the third option,
which is it's amazing, it's also terrible. I don't know
what life I missed. Also, now I can reflect on
it as a mother, like I've got kids at home
and I'm overwhelmed overworked as opposed to being underpaid and
overworked when I was cool, all I.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Could think about when I first heard sixteen Carriages was
how incredible this is gonna be live, just like the
way that everyone's gonna be wailing and swaying to that song.
Like I just I couldn't be more excited about the
way these songs, both of them, are gonna play going forward.
Because I think with Texas Holdham, which I have not

(25:39):
stopped listening to, is really taken the crown from Single Soon,
But I have not stopped listening to it because I
feel like it's like future comfort listening, you know what
I mean, Like this is going to be one of
those songs that's I think always gonna feel good and
it feels really familiar, which I think is fine, And

(26:01):
it feels like, you know, she put out this country
song and like she's announcing this country era and so
a lot of people are having a lot to say
about like how country it is, or like what it
means or what it's indicative of. And what I would
say is I was just like, yes, this is country,
Like there's really some people out here being audacious enough
to be like, well, it's not really country, Like I

(26:21):
get what you're saying, Like it's you know, poppy enough
to be played on pop radio. Who knows if country
radio will really embrace it. That has so much more
to do with whether or not it's appropriate for country radio,
and so much more to do with bureaucracy and bullshit
and like the political nature of our times right now.
What I digress. But for example, if Maren Morris recorded

(26:43):
this and put it out, you'd be like, Maren Morris
is back. That would be the headline, Maren Morris is
back country. Like if Casey put this out, they'd be like, Wow,
this is the most country Casey album in years. That's
what they put it out. It would be the whole thing.
I feel like, because it's Beyonce, it goes through this
filter of like how can we do right? And that

(27:05):
is ridiculous, especially when you realize, like who's playing on
this record, like Raphael Sadiq is on this record, Like
look at her collaborators, like they all have like roots
in this music, and like also like black culture has
roots in this music. I mean, like like this music
has roots in black culture rather. I mean, it's just
I understand. And I've engaged with some people who have

(27:26):
said this thing, like oh, it's not really country. I'm like,
what are you saying here, because there is that kind
of country snob that's like, oh, it has to be
certain instruments, it has to be certain, like you have
to keep time a certain way, et cetera. I'm like,
is this a snob thing or is this just like
a knee jerk cultural reaction? And lo and behold, it
is a knee jerk cultural reaction. People are like, well,

(27:47):
she's not even singing about like a dead dog or
like a tractor. It's like not country. It's like, girl,
please shut the fuck up. Like I don't think so, honey.
This idea that a country song can't be about anything.
Of course, it can be about anything. It's just us
dial it's a genre.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like she sort of sing song about a mom in
a car accident where the baby's in the backseat or something.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, I mean Jesus Take the Wheel. They were they
were looking for Beyonce to do a Jesus Take the
Wheel cover, and producer Becca says the truth, which is
real country is about grit and then is one hundred
percent true. And I think that, Like another thing that's
annoying is the Pitchfork review for this song, which did
you read this? Well? No, I just think they have

(28:29):
to slow their role on this one because they go,
you know, it is a little weird for Beyonce to
be singing about like being like down home at a
dive bar, like you can't really picture her there. It's like, well,
that's what she did, break my soul. She was like,
she doesn't have a nine to five stop. It's fine, right,
And that's I guess the note that they have is
like Beyonce singing about nine to five is lol. It's like,

(28:50):
can we just zoom out for a second. Artists don't
have to be entirely one hundred percent autobiographic or truthful
in their lear you know what I mean. Like, sometimes
it's actually the job of an artist of a creator
to create a fantasy, to create, you know, something livable

(29:10):
for the people that the music is for, Like music
is not always for the artists. It's not so they
can go out on stage and they can live their
truth every night. Of course that exists, but also music
is created for the listener, and that's what she is doing,
and she's about her fans, and she's about that communal experience.
So to review it in a way that immediately discredits

(29:33):
her because you can't picture her in that environment, it's like, okay,
so what do you want Beyonce to sing about? Like
this weekend, me and Jay hung out with a lot
of our friends, A lot of them are venture capitalists
and the Hamptons, Like, I don't think we want that
song everybody. I think I think it's okay that we're
singing about like Beyonce having a fucking baller time, whether

(29:54):
it's you know, the dance floor in a house sense
or like the dive bar in a country sense, Like
we should just be excited that Beyonce, who's prodigiously genius
musical talent, is giving this kind of thing for everyone
to embody and enjoy. It just feels like a really bizarre,
bad faith criticism of her that really only she and

(30:16):
people on her level would get anyway, Can I tell
you something I don't want? She cares well if people
are like gay.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Keeping country, But I want to talk about the live
aspect of what this album will be, which is I
think you pointed this out offline, not picturing stadium tour.
It's gonna be a sphere residency or something where it's like.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
We go, well, those rumors are out there.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, I think those are valid rumors, and I think
that is the setting that makes the most sense for
an album like this, where it's like she's gonna park
it in one place and then everyone else is just
gonna go to her, rather than she's this traveling circus
going from town to town.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
You know what, I think. I think this is not
really right because I feel like you are dead on
about the parking it of it all. But something about
the sphere, maybe that's like something down the road she's
thinking like maybe if the third album is a rumored
like rock album, or it's some sort of thing like
maybe that's the sphere. Do you think rock album for
the Sphere? Interested? I think so because that makes a

(31:20):
lot of sense to me. Whereas this album is so
like she's she's made so many allusions to like, you know,
obviously Texas already, and like you know, it feels very
outdoors to me, Like it feels very like I can
see this taking place outside, like it maybe she parks
it in like Texas somewhere. Maybe she parks it in
Atlanta somewhere, somewhere where I can feel very truthful to

(31:43):
the roots of this music and also give that big feeling.
I don't know if it's the sphere. The sphere feels
very cooped up to me, which obviously feels odd to
say it, because you can create anything in there. But
I just feel like I hear this music and I
want to be outside. You think it's going to be
like a lover fest situation, I do the festival that

(32:03):
never was. I think Beyonce saw a lover fest and
was like, well, start the pandemic now, because we need
to make sure that's my idea. I think Beyonce Beyonce
started the pandemic. I started the pandemic. Wow, mess up
the five G poles. Yeah, she said, hit the button.
Hit the button. She's an illuminati. Go well, that that's

(32:26):
a really interesting I think you're right about that about
the outdoor of it.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
All sure, totally after Renaissance Act one. I think she's like,
I don't want to tour again for a minute. I
want to stay in one place. I'm sick of these planes.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, it's weird, like to contrast her with Taylor, who
I guess is just going to keep on doing this show.
It's like, you know, I guess all we're getting from
Taylor is the one new era, and she's going to
keep doing the show, whereas Beyonce feels now completely moved
on from Renaissance Act one. And this is sort of
what I was saying about seeing Renaissance in concert, was

(33:02):
it felt like this was just the chapter, whereas Eras
felt very cumulative, cumulative, excuse me, And I feel like
that's proven to be true. Like will Beyonce do the
same thing? Will she park it? We don't know, but
either way it's going to be like a very very
exciting new era. Becca has said if you saw any

(33:23):
of her content of her being in Houston for the
Renaissance tour where she was eating fried chicken from a
local shop, Lol, Real Country is about grit. Oh Okay,
so she's commenting on the grit of it all.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I think that was in response to like she wouldn't
go to a dive bar oh oh, which not to
compare them again, but if Taylor can write songs outside
of her own experience and filter it through like a character,
let's say, I don't really understand that argument that like
Beyonce has to authentically write to her own life. So yeah,
authenticity is dangerous and expensive and unreasonably applied.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think there is an over analysis of these people
in a way that's getting annoying and also is causing
us to really spin our wheels. And I don't think
it's necessarily our fault, like this thing about like, well,
what's the truth, what's real? Et cetera. It comes from
the fact that it feels like there are very few

(34:23):
very famous people right now, and I think obviously like
that's always led to, like, at least on their part,
like a fear of oversaturation, right Like I feel like
Taylor in the past has been very conscious about oversaturating,
but it feels like that consciousness is not active right now.

(34:43):
I think they're like the only famous people in the world,
and that is leading to this fervor and discussion on them,
which is ultimately gonna make us all crazy because it
can't all be rooted in like truth or actual like
what's really going on here?

Speaker 2 (34:58):
You know what I'm saying, right, Like, even all the
videos coming out of like Taylor and Travis after the
game making out at a party, I'm like, I'm very
valerie cherished about this. I'm like, I don't really.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Want to see that. I don't want to see that,
you know, not out of a distaste for either of them,
out of like a that shouldn't be for us. There
is too much available to us right now, and I
think that is okay. This is my honest opinion about it.
I'm super excited about Tortured Poet's department as a fan
of her music, I will say, it's a lot. It's

(35:34):
the super Bowl, it's football at large. It's a new album,
it's every old album. It's Capitalism, it's the Jets, it's
the Bonuses, it's the economy.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
It's this, it's that. It's Travis, It's Joe, it's Japan,
it's everywhere in the world. It's Kelly Teller, it's Lana,
it's Ice.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's it's too much, and I think that it needs
to well. I don't even know if it needs to
slow down at this point because it doesn't feel like
that's going to happen because we're about to get a
new album and that's gonna be everywhere. I think it's
probably good that so many of the girls are going
to be releasing albums and there's going to be a
lot going on, but with the tailor of it all,

(36:22):
it almost just feels like the valve has not been released. Right.
Then you have to think is it on purpose? Like
is it a conscious like total media takeover because she's
aware of it. I mean, like she knows what happens
when she goes to the Super Bowl and it ends
up being the most watched telecast of all time. Like

(36:44):
it's so much to the point where I'm like, is
it a conscious oversaturation to launch herself into the rebirth
of the reputation era? I wonder then I think, am
I insane for thinking it's that calculated? I think, well,
not really, because this is the world we're living in
and like this is it's the literally the narrative.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I don't think she wants to recreate the road to
reputation necessarily, yeah, because that would mean that she would
have to be taken completely down again, which I don't think.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
But what does she think is going to happen at
this level of fame? What does she think is the
positive step from this? I guess that's my question, Like
how exactly? And can I say the only reason I'm
starting to call it out is because I started to
recognize something unhealthy with the Travis and Taylor of it all.
Because I remember there was a time in my life

(37:38):
where I felt like I was at a ten and
someone else was at a ten, and all of a
sudden it got out of control. And then all of
a sudden, you're not at the super Bowl anymore, and
you're not at the aerostoor anymore. Like, and what exactly
happens in the months going forward? Because it feels like
all of a sudden, you know, coming up for air here. Yes,

(37:59):
it's very exciting to watch this, and they seem very
in love, and I don't have any doubts that they
are extremely in love. But is this all healthy? Is
this all sustainable? Well?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I mean that kind of applies in all directions. I
think there's no way out of them for this.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
If they met each other and fell in fucking love
and it just so happens to me that they are
the two most famous people in the world at this point.
He's winning the Super Bowl, She's Taylor Swift. You get it,
you know what I mean? Like you see them kiss
and stuff, and you see all the coverage of them,
and it looks like, Wow, look at them on top
of the world, living their best life. I guess I'm

(38:39):
just saying, you know, in her own words, nothing good
starts in a getaway car. I do wonder about the
fact that, like the Joe thing is just fully over,
like this was the love of her life like two
seconds ago. Like maybe it doesn't feel that recent because
we move on so quickly, but like for years this

(39:02):
was the love of her life. And now it's like,
what about the relationship that she just had for a
long time? Like are we not respecting that? Like are
we actually doing the thing where we're now in another
album cycle that's like not even just about or inspired
by that relationship, but deliberately manipulates and not to be

(39:23):
like oh tailor you know, because I'm excited about what's
going to be created for it. I just question whether
or not all of this is healthy because of how
big it is. I don't know if it's sustainable for
a human being, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, there's nothing in the the evolutionary human brain to
like deal with this. It's just completely overwhelming and beyond
any understanding. It's really weird. We're it a really weird
time in the culture because I guess you could say

(40:02):
that monoculture is back now with this, like in the
last like ever since they started dating. I would say,
we've had one thing to talk about this entire time.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
And maybe that's what the grip is on, like don't
let this go away. We don't know when we're going
to get this back.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
They are being talked about like a concept and not
as human beings. I guess this is my thing, And ultimately, like, yes,
I understand all that because we talk about pop culture,
et cetera. We get the way that these things get
filtered down to be something that can be like applied
in the discourse. But I guess what I'm noticing, and

(40:37):
what I'm trying to remember more is that they are
human beings and so they're going to hit a wall
on this. I'm just concerned about, like what happens when
people catch up with their feelings and catch up with
themselves because they're operating at a fifteen right now and

(40:59):
everyone in the world is talking about them. Yeah, it
just gives me a little bit of pause because I
think I've been through certain things now where I realize
like what happens when you're operating at a high vibration
and then you have to come back And I just
wonder how that feels or is going to feel for
them and for the people in their life, because it

(41:19):
literally can't get more exciting than the other day, like
that is now done for some reason.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Both of their moms being there really was sobering to me. Yeah,
I mean it was sweet.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It It's nice. I love that like they were with
their family. Yeah, Travis Kelsey's mom is very grounding as
a present, and I would say Taylor's mom Taylor's parents,
And so I don't know if that makes me feel
better or worse about the whole situation. And I'm like, well, she.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Has they have people who have known them for their
whole lives with them to like check it against their
history and their lives. But at the same time, it
seems like the current and is so strong that everyone
is getting swept up in it.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
That's what I was about to say, Like those people
are also operating in that environment. Yeah, you know what
we have to check in with is Ice Spice. We
got to check in with Ice Spice because I bet
she has the She she's got the clear. By the way,
they're saying, she was the reason for the radio they're
calling it the Spicy Bowl. They're saying this was the
reason for the more people watch this than the moonlanding.

(42:24):
It because of Ice Spice. Absolutely. Well, you know I
heard that Ice Spice is staged. I heard that Ice
Spice isn't real. No, no, no, I think she's real.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
But I think she was in a sound stage and
then in Long Island and then they just kind of
like green keyed her in.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
They put her in after Yeah, it was all fake.
It was all fake. But you know, we're got a
new music from Taylor. Can we talk about the titles
really quickly? Of the songs, I'm interested to see what
they sound like. But some of the titles, I go,
you know what is ultimately a product of the current time,

(43:04):
which is sort of beautiful and sort of the reason
for her appeal, right, But if like.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
For songs that are like LML down bad, but Daddy,
I love him. I'm like, there's something consciously Internet coded
about this. Yeah, and I wonder, I wonder if it
pays off, because these are some big swings as far
as names go, names of your songs. Whereas I think
she's avoided, she's been able to sort of like operate

(43:31):
outside of like a timeliness, and that's what makes her
time less, That's what makes a lot of her music endure.
This is I think, a departure from that. And I
think I have to imagine it's conscious. I have to
imagine she made that choice. But I hope for everyone.
But it's like, it better be good, is all I'm saying,

(43:51):
and I'm sure it will be. I think it's gonna
be very good because it's tailor swift. If I'm to
gauge something from the visual in terms of like what
I think this might sound like, you know what the
visuals are giving to me. The visuals are giving to
me very like mid nineties like almost adult contemporary vibes.

(44:12):
Like it's sort of giving me like Madonna bedtime stories.
It's sort of giving me like, well, I don't know
why am I getting like Paula Cole from it, like
you know what I mean, like a very sort of
adult contemporary like almost like like the way that she's
like draped like it's something mid nineties. To me, it's
feeling like Annie Lennoxy. That's the vibe I'm feeling from it.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I don't know beyond that, like maybe it's gonna be
very like you know, lyrical, and like maybe it'll feel
very ballady. I don't know, because the images I'm seeing
are contrasting with the very contemporary titles. But yeah, it's
it's an interesting thing to see her enter into the

(44:53):
cannon anything now because she's now she's ridden the eras thing. Yeah,
so that now when she's creating a new album, she's
really creating a new era. And so you have to
look at these visuals like a world that we're going
to live in. You know what I'm saying. It's like
because that's her whole thing. And so when I'm looking

(45:14):
at esthetically what we're getting from this, it feels like
we're getting like mature woman confessional songs. Maybe we hear
her sing with her chest a little bit more this time.
That's like just a vibe I'm getting it's giving sort
of woman of the nineties adult contemporary singer. That's what

(45:37):
I hope for Anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I love that there are a couple ways for this
to go in terms of the live piece, which is
for now, this is what's happening, is that that's going
to get absorbed into the era's sort of like structure.
I'm really interested to see her for album twelve. Let's say,
is it still going to be the Eras tour or

(45:58):
is she going to do like the album twelve you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, it's a weird one. Also, like her music is
fully gonna be out when she's still doing this tour,
so she has to do the new music, right, Like
is that an added era? Yeah? I think so wow.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I think it's gonna be after midnights or so well
be like they're better be closers, you know what I
mean on this album, because I think she has to
end the whole show with it.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
That's what I'm saying. It's like she's not just putting
this album out. She's putting this album out at this
moment in the tableau of the rest of her work. Yes,
And I think that will say a lot about like
where we're at exactly you know what I mean? Like
also not for nothing, but I should just trademark not
for nothing, as that comes out of my mouth for

(46:41):
the fucking billionth time. But she's also gonna have a
lot of other music around her that the girls are releasing,
like the new Ari will be out now we know
the new Beyonce. They will be out, and I would
imagine Dua's coming, Casey Miles Graves will have an album out.
There's someone else too, Tylay.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Everyone's sleeping on, not everyone sleeping on if everyone obviously
knows water, but like, listen to the other songs on
the album. That is a great fucking album so far,
so far. Anyway, Charlie's working on new stuff. God, I
was working on new stuff. I think twenty twenty four
is where the girls are all dumping their shit, which
I have no problem with.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
And Katie Perry has quit American Idol and said she's
what are your thoughts as a huge now you have
a special connection to Katie. Love Katie. I always root
for Katie. I feel like never really over was what
she should be doing. I want to hear Katie give
the delicious hooks. I want to hear Katie be big
and stupid. That's what I love from Katie Perry, big

(47:43):
and stupid. Like what is it? Fast and loud? That's
what I want from Katie Perry to put it in
the words of you and Tina Fey. Fast and loud, Katie,
it always works. The thing I'm most excited about is Beyonce.

(48:03):
I mean, we had been hearing about the country album.
I think it feels so right. I love the way
her voice sounds on this. Just to like hear her
little stacked harmony is or her gorgeous voice over this
type of music. It's gonna be so evocative. It's gonna
tell stories like which she's so good at. I'm so
excited to see how this plays altogether. I'm really thrilled

(48:24):
that it looks like she's pretty much you know, visual forward,
Like right off the top, it feels like her approach
to this is very different than the last album. It
feels like if this is going to be part of
a real trilogy, that's very exciting for whatever the third
thing is. You know, we're living in a really, really
fun time for Beyonce. And I will also say she

(48:48):
looks unbelievable, like her blonde wigs, Like, I don't know
if you saw they cut to her at the game.
You didn't see, you didn't watch. I did. She looked
so unbelievably beautiful. And just the fact that Beyonce is
gonna be giving blonde country singer wearing her boy's jewelry,
I go, bitch, I love it. I love it, I

(49:12):
love it. And I loved her sort of tipping the
hat as it were at the Grammy's. She looked great.
She was on a fucking twenty milligram edible.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, she was on another planet in a very unseubtle look.
I mean we should have known.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I feel like yeah. But also it was smarter for
her to sort of build all that into the original
Renaissance imagery too, because you're not really sure, you know
what I mean, Like it's like, okay, so are you
just sort of doing a version of what you've been
doing for Renaissance with this cowboy dance floor moment or
are we actually entering a new era? And it was
squarely the latter, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Think the fact three is rock. I feel like horses
are that animal Horses work in any genre, Yes they do,
and that's for the culture.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Number four. Yeah, genre and you know, happy Lunar New Year,
by the way to everybody, Yeah you lunatics, you lunatics.
I had deep conversations about the Chinese zodiac animals with
some friends at Bubble Tea, New York.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Well for my horses out there. I was talking about Whittaker,
our friend, Matt Whittaker. He was a horse who wanted
to be a dragon growing up.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
This is so beautiful. It doesn't sound like a little
children's book. You know, our friend, he was a horse
who wanted to wanted to be a dragon.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
But horses, I was just ingrained from birth, from my
mother who loves this, and from the Chinese culture that
loves this, like horses are a noble animal, and horses endure,
and horses know how to be still in between moments

(50:56):
of movement and like action and like activation, like horses are.
I'm not a horse girl. I've had close calls on horses.
I don't love interacting with them necessarily. You've had close
calls on Oh yes, I've talked about Iceland. Oh yeah,
you've spoken on this the drone, the drone spooked it.
Oh yeah, no, I've spoken about this. But Anyway, the

(51:18):
horse imagery that Beyonce is working with I think is
very special and very intentional, and I think for that
to be the through line potentially in these albums is
gorgeous to me.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
I think love. Uh now, let's just talk about what
possibly could happen on this album. Do you think rape
El Sadik? Wait, that's amazing that this is used to me.
Oh yeah, by the way, everyone, Oh my god, rathel
Sidik's old stuff. I mean not old stuff, but like
just all of his work so good. We were we
going to say, what is going to happen on this album?
And you were going to put out something? Oh, I

(51:51):
was going to say, you know, will we see the
return of the Pussy Wagon? Oh? You think Gaga is
going to be on this? I'm just saying Beyonce said
to be continued and Gaga said to be continued, and
it was never continued. And you have to imagine if
there's gonna be a moment for that. Should Joanne return?

(52:14):
Should should Joanne return to ride off with Beyonce into
the sunset on the Pussy Wagon? Like? Should we see
in a sense act two of that? Ah?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Well, you know the video after Telephone that jonas Akerlind
directed with Gaga was for John Wayne. So a lot
of little monsters feel that John Wayne is the spiritual
successor to Telephone in that she even like she's in
the sort of like million reasons paining kick get up,
and then like she like hitchhikes and gets into a
car and then like the whole John Wayne saga starts.

(52:46):
By the way, such an underrated video.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Oh, don't even get me stressing, don't even get me
started on John Wayne. John Wayne is disrespected, disregarded and disinconstantly.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And guys, John Wayne is sitting right there. We're all
losing our minds overact to Renaissance. Listen to John Wayne
and go to church.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I just love John Wayne. I love John Wayne and
the video. You're right, the video was completely insane. When
she was riding on that horse, by the way, the
horse returns and she hits that tree branch. I said,
my comedy gold, I said, Bridesmaids, Bridesmaids.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
So I don't know about this pussy wagon return, but
that's so interesting the girls are talking about this.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
I would disagree that John Wayne is the successor to
tell Telephone, because they would have made it seem like
it was a continuation, like there would have been some
intentionality there.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
The way that like the way that like the way
that whole Gaga in jail thing plays at the beginning
of Telephone as a continuation of Paparazzi.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yeah, I just feel like we would have we would
have gotten something from it that like that like suggests
that it was a continuation of that narrative outside of
just being directed by the same person and having the
same whimsy. Like if we're going going to see in
that two of that, I think it's gonna have Beyonce,
and I think it's gonna be very clear that it's
like the continuation of sequel to culmination of that story.

(54:13):
By the way, can we talk really quickly about Gaga
at the super Bowl like this past week. I just
I forget that Gaga at a sports game is such
a I don't give a fuck vibe. It has been
for decades at this point. Remember when she was like
during like the Fame Monster era, she was like at
Yankee Stadium, like flipping people off, like just not careing.

(54:34):
She's like, don't she loves sports?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
She doesn't, And she's gonna kick back and she's gonna
wear something stupid and she's not gonna care.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And I love that. We need the culture. Really Coachure
number seventy. Lady loves sports and she's gonna catch to
give back and she's gonna not gonna care period, But
like we need we need more of that.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Like I love seeing the stars out, but all of
them were like playing for the camera in a way
that like Gaga wasn't. She was like, I'm gonna put
on the little eye jewels that like are a reference
to my super Bowl performance, which we regret. I have
to take responsibility for this. I did not include in
my twenty seventeen year coverage.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Take responsibility for your self self, because no one's gonna
take responsibility for you. Take you, Tyra.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
But Gaga at the super Bowl loved Okay, So what
else on Act two I'm open for. I'm just open minded.
I don't really have expectations in a way that I
think is not for lack of caring. It's just that
like I will openly welcome whatever comes.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Well. Then there was another little rumor floating around that
maybe Taylor is on this album, or maybe Beyonce is
a part of reputation and I said, hmm. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I had to say hmm on this one in both directions.
That doesn't make sense again, like this.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Narrative that gets out there because it feels like they're
the only famous people in the world, you know what
I mean, Like it is exhausting. Sure, well, let's it's
just not not contribute. Well no, no, no, I was
just I was gonna say, let's not pay too much
attention to it. I'm literally looking out at a mountain
ridge right now, and what everything feels so far away?

(56:13):
Where are you? I'm upstate, bitch. You didn't tell me
that you thought this was my room at home. I
thought you were doing one of your famous vacations at
like a New York hotel. No, honey, I mean New Pults.
Are you having a moment, I'm having so far.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Well, it snowed, and so I want to be on
hikes and stuff, and oh my god, there was a
water color class today that got canceled because of the snow.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
You're going to take a water color class. I was
going to take a water color class and paint flowers. Oh,
that sounds really good. And every morning you get to
feed the chickens and the pigs and the sheep here
and then you get to pick the eggs that you
want to eat for breakfast. Wait, that is a I'm
so happy for you. Oh Bowen, that's so great. I
love that. I love that you went to the woods,

(56:58):
you went to the mountains picking your eggs. I went
so egg and the I just like my body immediately
gave out it. I was like, oh my god, here's
what you do. Everyone.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
If you want to scratch this itch of like seems
like we're getting back into like cabin cabin tunes, maybe
go to Waxahachie.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Listen to her new songboard, listen to right back to it,
listen to her old stuff. I mean, you're gonna get
what you want and the totality of Waxa Hatchi's discography.
You're gonna find something you like. I guarantee you're gonna
like to hear you go. My therapist said this to me.
We were talking about like internet discourse, right and specifically

(57:46):
like in the way that like you might have a
moment of vanity or vulnerability and like see what people
are saying about you. And we don't have to get
too much into this, but this is what he said
to me. I'm flipping to it because I wrote it
down because it fucking blew my mind in the totality
of what people are thinking, you can always find what
you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Does that make sense? Not? Really? Can you?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Like you go on Google and like see what people
are saying about one person, or let's say yourself, or
you go on Twitter and if you have a name
that you can like search such as mine or yours,
let's say, and see what people are saying about you.
At some point you'll find exactly what your brain secretly
wants to find.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Oh, I get that. Okay. So if you want to feel,
if you want to punish yourself, if you look hard
enough or sometimes not even hard enough, like enough, got it? Okay.
So it's all about like taking the onus away from
needing that search.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
It just means that it's all meaningless. It really is meaningless.
Can we talk about feud Capodi versus the Swans?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah? I wish it was better.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I don't necessarily want to talk about the show. But
what I the rabbit hole that I fell into was
like reading up on the journalism of it, and like
they did a whole piece in twenty twelve and anity
Fair about like where the manuscript is for answered prayers
and his relationship with like Lee Radsville and Jackie Kennedy,

(59:21):
and like it's so interesting that is like that's what
we're missing, that this is what's happening in culture. This
is what I thought about. Like there's no distinction or
difference between like high society in the way that like
the rest of the culture is fascinated by these people
at the top and what their behavior is and what
they're doing and what their dirty secrets are with entertainment

(59:44):
and like things in the pop culture, because we conflate
those two now in a way that we're like, oh, well,
high society is let's say the met gala where all
the celebrities go, and like high society in the U
twenty twenty four or is like the Kardashians, because we
don't really care, Like the way billionaires are acting is
kind of too dark to think about and too crazy,

(01:00:06):
so let's just focus on like these famous people who
are like very much entrenched in media, and therefore there
is like less of a like fascination. The fascination is
just a little bit more informed as opposed to like
the days of Truman Capodi in the sixties and seventies,
where like him dropping this Esquire article was like explosive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Does that make sense? Yeah? And I actually think it's
kind of showing up in the content of the series
in a way that I don't think is necessarily good
because I think that there's actually not that much of
a feud here, right. I think what happened was this
man befriended these women, he was awful, he wrote about them,

(01:00:53):
and then they never spoke to him again, and there's
not a feud there, like, and I think that like
what you're saying about, like the fascination of that is like, yes,
very important, like in the culture and like it probably
felt ripe, but it's actually not that much. There's just
not that much there. And I feel like with Betty
and Joan, there was actually a genuine feud there. There

(01:01:17):
was stretched on for years in years, there was a
lot to follow, Whereas I almost think that feud Capodi
versus the Swans would be stronger if it was like
Truman Capodi and Babe Paley and we just focused on
one dynamic because I feel like it's over promising and
saying like you're gonna watch this juicy show with all
of these women when there's not that much juice there. Yes,

(01:01:41):
they were all dynamic people. They were all interesting, fascinating
people that had scandal, but ultimately this dynamic which is
Capodi and them, like at least the three episodes at
this point, like, it doesn't feel like there is a
lot there when you compare it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
I think it's going to do what Feud Betty versus
Joan ended up doing, which was these two women really
missed out on a friendship, didn't they, you know, And
I think it's going to try to do that with
Babe Paley and Truman Capodi by the time like when
he passes away.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yet I'm sure that you're right, but I wonder if
it's going to be super successful because the thing about
Feud Betty and Joan is they weren't able to flesh
them out enough where you realize they had so much
more in common than they had in terms of differences,
and it was really society and the entertainment industry and
their specific situation and the fascination with the idea that

(01:02:39):
women must war if they're equals that tore them apart.
Whereas like, I'm not seeing exactly what that parallel is
with this because Truman Capodi is truly just awful, and
there are so many women that are on the other
side of this conflict that are not all grounded and
based in this experience with him, and so it's becoming

(01:03:03):
a little bit more difficult to see exactly what the
story that's being told is and exactly what the conflict
is between them and him, because it's they're all different,
and therefore, in trying to give all the women like
equal time, in a way, we're losing a central conflict.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yes, I agree, I think the thing that binds these
people together is well for Truman.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I think I think this is hopefully.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
What I don't think the show is making clear yet
is why Truman is obsessed with these women, which is
because he sees a parallel in them, where he's this
boy from the South who like made his way to
the top infiltrated high society much in the same way
that like hollygool Lightly did. Like hollyga Lightly was written

(01:03:55):
as based on women like Slim Keith, like Babe Pailey,
like CAZy Guests and Woodword, particularly where these women from
the South who came from nothing ascended all the way
to the top in this very American dream way, right,
And I think that is sort of the poetic, sort
of powerful, narratively interesting thing that I don't think the
show is really shining enough of a light on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I have hope that it will, because I think that
it has to like this idea that like, well, you
guys did whatever you had to do to get here,
I'm doing whatever I had to do, Like you love
me because of my ability to tell stories and my
ability to entertain and my ability to really key in
to what your experience is. So why are you angry

(01:04:39):
at me for then using that to maintain my level
my place here and my level of notoriety when you
knew that was what I do. That is like a
crazy personality disorder that I think that they need to explore.
But the thing is, like, in that third episode of
the show, So Demi Moore, actually who's great in the show,

(01:05:03):
has this scene where she as Anne Woodward like comes
and crashes his black and White ball and he kicks
her out, and it's very public and very embarrassing, and
you know, ultimately she's so outcasts from society that she
does take her own life and he's you know, really
responsible for that is the argument that's being made. But
the thing is he's such a cunt to her. Yeah,

(01:05:25):
and the writing of that scene is also tough. But
I was like, he's such a fucking monster to this
woman that I'm like, how moving forward are we supposed
to like really want to understand or truly understand this person,
like when he's ruining these women's lives, Like they'd have

(01:05:47):
to really do some work here in order to make
him not even just sympathetic because I know that's not
the goal, but grounded in a reality, and you know, ultimately,
like he was grounded in reality, he was real. So
I guess I'm just waiting for the other shoe to
drop in terms of the humanity of the whole thing,
so that I can really find the conflict and understanding

(01:06:08):
and the why of this series. I'm not sure what
the why of the series is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I would recommend because I'm watching the show and
I'm going I want to dig deeper and i want
more than what the show is capable of giving me
at the moment, and so I recommend, just like reading up,
I didn't know all this shit about I didn't know
that Aristotle Onnasis was with Lee Radswell at first? Did

(01:06:35):
you know this that like Jackie basically stole Aristotle Nassis
from Lee?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
So where's that suit? Then? You know what I mean?
Like where's Jackie and Lee? Like you know what I'm saying.
It's like, let's ground this in an actual feud that
is playable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Mm hmmm, where the fallout from the conflict is not
like no one talked to each other exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I mean, like we know how it ends. It ends
in silence. And also if the show is showing so
early on that he becomes a miserable alcoholic like spoiler alert,
that is how he dies. So we're not even getting there,
we're kind of there. And even just that thing you
said right there, like I didn't know that that's juicy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Literally Lee was with Aristotle, they were date, they were
fucking for like a period of time while she was
still married to Stas. Ratsville invites Jackie to come on
this yacht that Aristotle has. The second she's on the gangplank,
Aristotle's like I want her Yep, crazy, I did not know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
That's completely insane and also something I'd like to watch,
you know what I mean. And then you have one
of these actresses playing Jackie Kennedy, you know what I mean.
Not to say that like all these women aren't interesting,
but it's almost like the show is doing a disservice
to them by treating them like like one sixth of
a situation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
You know what I mean, right, I mean, there's all
this stuff about there's so much reading about Babe Piley. Yeah,
I mean, it's all very fascinating and as always, reading
is in a lot of ways fundamental, fundamental in the
more informative medium if you want information, and I just

(01:08:15):
wanted information. I was literally at dinner last night by
myself and just brought my iPad with me and just
like read every article there was, and I was like,
I'm having a ball, Yeah, just read it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
And therefore the show ends up being very useful. And also,
you know, but then I'm thinking, as you're talking and
as we're like, you know, talking about this, I'm like,
this show, if it's about the gay male gaze on women,
that is really interesting. And the fact that he dehumanized
his friends enough to create them into characters because he
knew that, you know, the average person in his mind

(01:08:49):
would want to hear and devour everything that is the
scandal of being these women if he was thinking them
as primarily fodder and scandal before they were human beings,
because that was his sick gay male gaze on women.
Something they talk about in the first episode or second episode,
like you know, this is the way gay men think
about us. They think about us like this, this, this,

(01:09:09):
like that is really interesting, you know what I mean
that there's something there, because I think there's something very
true about that that gay men in idol worship participate in.
Like it doesn't always happen with super famous people. It
happens with the women in gay men's lives. Like sometimes
I hear the way that gay men talk about women

(01:09:31):
and I'm like, wow, she is not a person to you, right,
And it happens a lot during the Oscar race, and
it happens a lot during like times like this when
like women are you know out here as these like
concepts and things and ideas, like there is a humanity
that gets lost, which sort of ties it back to
the tailor of it all where you do have to

(01:09:52):
remember that these people are human beings and if that
is something that we're going to arrive at in feud
then I think it's really interesting and I'm really excited
to get there about how he lost permanence on this
situation and on humanity because he was too gay, not

(01:10:12):
too gay, period. End of sentence. You are a humanist
icon down, you are a true humanist. Got it from
my mama, got it from my mama. On my mind,
I got it from mama.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Congrats Victoria, congrats Victoria really quickly. There is a truth
to that, to the gay mail gaze, and I think
the reflection on that is something and another Lee Radswell thing,
which I think Alicia Flockhart is good casting for her.
I think she's great at that aside, I was reading
up on like Lee's relationship with Trumany because like she
wasn't terribly pissed off at him after the Esquire article,

(01:10:52):
after Cooke Basque, but like Truman asked her to speak
on his behalf in a deposition when Gourvidal sued Truman
Capote in like I think the seventies or eighties, because
Truman was out here running his mouth lying to people
saying that Gorvidal was thrown out of a Kennedy white House. Dinner,

(01:11:16):
and Gorevidal was like, I'm suing you for slander, and
so Truman was desperate, was like, can we please get
Lee to say to who was there? Can we please
get Lee to say something in my favorite? Lee refused, yeah,
and then.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Forget who it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
But like someone was like, but Lee, why, like why
won't you get involved in this situation? Like you could
really help change this? And then Lee Radswell allegedly says,
oh whatever, there are just two fags anyway, just let
them do their thing. And so like it goes both ways,
and that is an interesting thing where they're like, however
dehumanizing the gay meal gaze is like it is refracted
and reflected the other direction as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I would love a show about that. Would love that,
And I like, maybe it will get there, you know,
maybe it will. Because also another thing is like, was
there dismissal of him in some way homophobic? You know
what I mean? Like I don't know, because like he
genuinely was that awful, but like there is some As
I watched the show, I'm like, it is so interesting.

(01:12:16):
He's like very foppish, he's very feminine. He's presenting in
this way and like he is sort of like this
like gesture. So in a way, it wasn't like he
was being super respected. He was a prop in all
of these women's lives in many ways, like you know,
they can use language like that they go home to
their husbands. Not to say he wasn't in a relationship,

(01:12:37):
because we see that he was, but there's something there too.
There's something in the fact that you know, homophobia was
rampant at the time, and you know, he was not
looked at like a real member of that society, right
if he didn't have these like you know, trades like
conversation and gossip.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Well, his whole defense in the years after or the
article was that like, well, what do these women think.
I'm a writer, I'm not there to just entertain them.
I'm observing and I'm using this stuff. And I'm like
that is interesting. You don't know if you fully agree
with that. But also I do see that as a

(01:13:18):
pushback on him being him feeling the perception that he
was just the court justter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Yeah, anyway, I just think that the story of Truman
Capoti is incredibly, incredibly interesting, like really fell down that
hole in a way that I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Expect Well, have you ever read in Cold Blood? I
never read it. You should. I mean, it is as
good as everyone says like it is. So it really
started true crime, to be honest, Like if you can
really trace like the lineage of that genre to that,
and I think I just remember some. He really was
an incredible writer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
The interesting stuff that comes after Capodi, when he's done
this like master work and that has to decide what
to do next, is sort of what led directly to
this situation. And so it's almost best told altogether, and
I believe the best depiction of that is probably in

(01:14:17):
the movie Infamous, not even in the movie Kpodi, but
those are both really interesting because this period was very fascinating,
and writing in Cold Blood did take so much from him,
and I almost feel like there's some threads there that
aren't being connected in this yet, but again I have hope.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I'm sure they'll do, because his relationship with that murderer
was very interesting and special, and I think that had
a very dark effect on him because he watched him
getting hanged. Yes he did, and so that is something
Nick Dick Kickock. No, there was Perry and Dair, So
Perry was the one he was you know, some people
think maybe even in love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
With Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have to do something with
that in the show. Yeah. Again, like if they're going to,
they have to also juggle the fact that they've got
a lot of fucking characters. That's another thing is it's
just like there's only so much real estate to tell
those stories. But also they're not being told yet, like
this third episode, which is entirely like it's like a

(01:15:19):
it's like a creative swing they take where it's like
a documentary about the Black and White Ball that was
never actually made. Yeah, right, And and then I was like, wait,
so he actually did film this? And I guess is
this based on actual footage or is this all conjecture?
There was no documentary that followed him around, Like there
was no crew that followed him around, but like so
this is a thing. Yeah yeah yeah, Like and what

(01:15:40):
word did not show up? Right? So that's entirely I mean,
And again, like I thought that scene was like juicy
and great because Demi got to sort of tear. But
I mean, I don't know are people watching this, Like,
as we're talking about this, I genuinely ask our audience,
are people watching this are you guys watching food?

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I think they're doing a good like cross promotion on
like for some reason, like diet Prada posts about it
and I'm like, okay, work like they really know their audience.
They're like, let's let's send it up to all the
fucking faggot Instagram accounts where everyone gets their news.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Where do you go get their news? Yeah? There you go?
Actually you know I am I don't think sohney. Okay, yeah,

(01:16:36):
should we do it? Should we move in? Should we
get into it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Let's move into it? Yeah, this is I don't think
so honey. This is where we take one minute to
really reel against something in culture.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Matt has Matt sort of lit up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
I wish you could see over the zoom. There's a
twinkle in Matt's eye, and I think twinkler. I think
we're about to hear why this is Matt Rogers. I
don't think so many as time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
I don't think so honey. Trying to watch Trade after
having watched Traders Australia, I actually have to say this
has been done at a ten at a ten, and
luckily you can watch it. It is Traders Australia. Because
we have everyone in the room is playing at full capability.
Whereas now I'm starting to see, after watching this game

(01:17:20):
played really really well, that the current Traders US cast
is not giving that level of competitive mastery of this
particular game. Now I'm starting to think, should we maybe
go back to an all normy cast? But we just
cast it really really well. I think what didn't work
about the first season is it was half and half.

(01:17:42):
And what's starting to not work about the second season
is you get the sense that not everyone is there
with a full knowledge and necessarily even intent to play
this game to its fullest. It's kind of just like
reality TV stars doing Reality TV star, which is fun,
but is it competitive and is it compelling? I don't know.
I don't think so, honey, but of course I do.
And that's one minute.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
I totally get it because I'm interested to hear your ranking.
But I'm finally finishing up Traders UK season one, and
I would say great season of all normies and they
were all not operating at like top of their intelligence
and competitiveness, but they were all like pretty with it,
and they were like they had their rationale for everything.

(01:18:26):
And I really enjoyed that part. It does seem like
this season of Traders, which we love, I love, is like,
you go, well, why are Kevin and MJ there, Like
what are they bringing?

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
And the thing is like, it's just hard to compare
them because I'm telling you, you guys watch Traders Australia
on Peacock. What's your ranking of the seasons? Oh, Traders
Australia is one of the best. The one that they
have on Peacock is one of the best reality seasons
I've ever seen. Okay, it is so satisfying, It is

(01:18:58):
so compelling to watch. Every minute it gets better. It's
just so good. Whereas Traders US, I'm kind of like,
I feel like we could be watching something a little
bit more compelling if we had people that were a
little bit more knowledgeable and just a little bit more
ahead of how this game is played. Where does the
UK one land in the ranking? I would say Australia's

(01:19:21):
number one, the least the one I've seen. Then then
I would give it to US season two. Then I
would give it to UK season one, and at the
bottom is US Traders season one. But and that's not
talking about it, It's just that I think we were
working the kinksgar with the way that it was cast.
So you think that so far US two is better
than UK one, Yeah, I do, just because at that level,

(01:19:43):
that's where the reality TV start of it all pays off.
I mean, like, I mean, we do have Parviti and Phaedri, Like,
don't get me wrong, Like that is pretty fucking epic
and there's so much fun in that. But just if
what you want to see is a really competitive game
of Traders be played, you're not getting that on US
season two the way you're getting in on the Australian version.

(01:20:04):
And you will be happy that you took me up
on this if you stream it the UK too. Apparently
was one of the biggest ratings hits in the UK. Yeah.
I don't know about ever, but like it was a huge,
huge success and people loved it. Yeah, which is funny
because Australian Trader season two apparently flopped. Oh really yes,

(01:20:25):
and it actually wasn't even renewed in Australia. Ah yeah, tragic,
I know. Well, something about Joel Kimbuster was telling me that,
like Australia, the casting is normans, but they all have
like kind of crazy pat like one of them is
like the first person to like murder someone, the first.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Person was the first ever murderers, ever murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
What it is is one of the people on Traders
was the longest held hostage in like Australia hostage. That's
what it is. Yeah, and now he's a hostage negotiator
and you'll see how that plays out. But another one
is another one is a psychic clairvoyant named Clea. I
love it. There's just so many characters like stars on

(01:21:18):
the show, and like you didn't need for one second
any of them to be famous, you know what I mean. Like,
and I think that there's something that's so great about
you know when you see on the outset the cast
of us season two of Traders. But then it's like
inevitably they do get eliminated, you know, the people that
you were super excited about, like aren't there anymore, which

(01:21:39):
is always the risk you run on an all star cast.
It's like, okay, well you're gonna run out of like
your faves, right, And so now we're fucking watching Kevin. Yeah,
Like we're watching a lot of Kevin. You know what
I'm saying, We're watching a lot of I'm Peter you
know what. And I'm like, here's my things. You watch

(01:22:01):
you watch Australian Traders, and then you you watch the
season of US and you realize Peter's not gonna win,
like he's actually playing bad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
What's not fun? And again, we love this show more
than life obsessed. Watch the second it's out.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
My thing about Peter and Trachelle is that, like, God,
they're so hard to root for. God, you really don't care,
you know what I mean? That is so true, And
that is more on not the casting.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
It's just more on like the way these people who
have been on TV before, I think they know how
to like get ahead of the editors.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
I don't know. It's like I would rather just see
people who were clairvoyance.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Hostages, like people with like compelling lives really really play well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
That's very interesting. Can you imagine rooting for Peter like
I don't know, Maybe it's the batchelor of at all.
I'm not rooting for anyone from the Bachelor. I'm not
rooting for the Bachelor to win anything. I still I'm
still rooting for Poverty. Feels like she's in way too
much of a corner. I think days are numbered for
our Girl's still a lot of fun. Go Sandra, Go,

(01:23:12):
Sandra doing the pool table math.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
I loved I lived, Yeah, I love Activated CenTra. I
mean it's the best activated Santra.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
So Bowen Yang, do you have an out of think
so honey? I do, all right, this is Bowen Yang's
I don't think so honey, and his time starts now,
I don't think, so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Performers who miss their center mark on an led floor,
such as Usher, such as I'm sorry Beyonce sometimes who
has had a history of missing her mark when the
floor is a screen. Taylor is kind of better at
it than a lot of people. But you know who
nailed it was her at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Her knew her to land. And can we just set
a mark for these people?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
They deserve just a little mini mark that like we
at home can't see, but just something that lets them
know to land at the right spot so that it
looks like there's ripples coming out of them, so that
it looks like they are seen stuck in the outline
of their body. Let's deliver on the promise of the premise.
Let's make sure these people are set up for success.

(01:24:17):
I want them to have the best night of their
lives performing while they're walking around stomping on a screen
floor or LEDs give the technology so that they know
where to land.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
And that's one minute. Well, first of all, I want
to say, the episode title is the promise of the premise,
and I just can't. I go back to my central
theme for this episode, which is humanity. These people are humans.
They can't just hit every mark because you say of
Owen Yang, I'm not that. I don't think some money
is not on them.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
It's on the production of it all. It's on the
people who are like, let's set a mark for usher.
Let's set a mark for these people to know where
they land. I'm not blaming Beyonce for missing where she
was supposed to lay down and pose.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Mm hmm, I'm huge. But you did say with your chest,
tailor is a little bit better at it. You said
that with your chest. As a point of comparison, you
need to let go of say that with your chest.
By the way, you're saying chest and everyone turns off
the pod. No, everyone. You should be so lucky to

(01:25:20):
hear Matt Rodgers saying who cares? Yeah, I hear you,
I hear you. People need to be hitting their marks.
The super bullets, the biggest, the set marks better. How
are you with hitting marks? I'm it's hard. I don't
is hard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Deny that it's very difficult. But if you're dancing, you
can like peep at the floor like I think ushers
should be at the center of the concentric circles. That's
all I'm saying, and that I'm gonna put that on
the team that goes we're using an led floor. We're
gonna do all this ship and make it look cool.

(01:25:56):
We'll then make it look cool, make sure the person
is in the right spot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
And that's on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I'm just blaming it on the production. And that's not
even towards people. That's towards the idea. That's towards the
checklist that's being made. Yeah, put that on the checklist.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Put it on the checklist. And I'm sort of over
here being like God, human beings they miss marks. I'm understanding, concerned, Queen.
I'm understanding concerned Queen two.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
But I think if we want to deliver on the
promise of the promise, then we should set the mark.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
Girl, is the promise of your premise that you're gonna
go frolic in the mountains right now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's cold, it's snowy. I'm gonna read, I'm gonna eat
a burger.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I'm gonna that's beautiful. I'm writing that's beautiful. Tomorrow I'm
gonna like tomorrow. Okay, yeah, Well, this has been an
episode that fully delivered on the promise of the premise
of this podcast, which is culture and laughter, friend friendship
and friendship. Because I never, for one second during this

(01:26:58):
podcast had any doubt that I was talking to my
best girl and me neither. We end every episode with
the song the same test and now hold up, it's
pret no, no, no, don't her loan notes, I said
you better you better Bye.

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