“This Episode Features DOUG!” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look mad, oh, I see you? Why and look over there?
How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, dog lost culture. He's
just calling. Don't mind us just we're just discussing whether
or not hot engineer Doug was a thought back in
the day. And I had a tense issue because I said,

(00:21):
he still is? You feel he is? He's married? No?
I well, Thoughts can be married. Thoughts is married to.
Thoughts is married to. That's actually a rotal culture. That's
really culture number thirty one. Thoughts is married to. Should
we ask him what his sexual life was like when
he was young? Yeah? Dog? Come on? Can you come in?

(00:42):
Can you come in? Please? Can you come in? Please? Doug?
What were you like? Were you a thought back in
the day? Do you still consider yourself? Do you identify
as a thought? A thought? I do think then maybe
once I was considered a thought. Wow, it would be
a shame if you weren't. Don't know anymore. I mean,
come on, you guys. You were a tall musician, like

(01:04):
that's all anyone needs, you know. Maybe you're flattering me.
I don't know. Tell me, how did you How did
you meet your wife? I moved in across the street
from her. Oh my God wrong, calm vibes. Who made

(01:25):
the first move? Ye? Well how did it go? I
helped her move some big boxes that she one day, Yeah,
like stereo or something. I was like, oh, yes, we
have file. You should meet her one day. She's great.
I would love for her to sort of pie into
the frame one of these days, because because it must,

(01:46):
she must be some woman to go handle on you.
I think I'm the lucky one in this exchange. But
don't sell yourself short, Doug. One day I wanted to
come in all the time. She won't do it. Hey, comfortable,
We are making you uncomfortable now, look at them. I
like talking about my wife. Yes, well you should talk
about her more whenever you have a thing to say

(02:09):
about your wife. Throughout this episode, I want you to
just come to be invited. Just know that today on
the podcast it's it's open door because Doug, really, family
is the most important thing. Huh. I agree, Dog, I
want you to come in unprompted at least twice this episode. Okay,
I'll do it. You do that. Yeah? Yeah, this episode

(02:32):
is title is This episode features Doug in all caps.
You guys are gonna get me late tonight. Yes, you're
not gonna wait until Wednesday for the episode Dropp and
she goes, Babe, I heard you talk about me on
last my favorite podcast. I mean she would say that,

(02:53):
and she will hear it on Wednesday, but she might
know no, of course, yeah she does. It's learning with us.
Now she does, we met her. She won't come in,
she sed because of Bowen. Now, okay, Doug. Doug will

(03:14):
come back on twice this episode. Okay, so it's an
open door policy, but there is a limit of two
times you can come in. Come in the third time,
and I'm gonna be piste off. Fair enough, Okay, get
out by, get out, bye, We love you. I'm really
happy that we did that. I feel like that because
you know, the readers like they're sick of us. There's

(03:35):
something they get so sick of us. They just want
to say, can they bring Doug in? Because that's the
guy I want to hear about. They keep saying how
hot he is. Doug is ahead, He's a massive hit,
massive hit. Can I tell you who else is a
massive hit? Past Halloween weekend, my sister, my sister, Matt
Rodgers caused on Instagram a gay Instagram just a manic

(03:56):
cascade of laughs and relatability. She dressed up as a
pantry girl. If you don't know, these are These are
the teenage girls who live on Long Island, who take
the ferry every morning to work at the Pines Pantry
and Fire Island. And I think Matt really nailed their
essence down. You know what the girl I named her Jim,

(04:17):
she lives inside me. She is my girlfriends in high
school who all did work at the market. My sister
also worked there. So I have like a deep connection
to the pantry girls. I don't just that the pantry. Yes,
not the Pines Pantry. She worked at Ocean Bay Park.
But you know what, so many people in the comments
on that Instagram post where like as a former pantry girl.
I guess they were coming out. They were, And the

(04:38):
fact that they have not been completely disgusted by the
behavior of gay men as a collective to to follow
you and to be like and to recognize themselves and
new I think it's beautiful. I think that. I here's
the thing. I tried to represent them as truthfully as possible.
You did, You didn't try, you succeeded. There was no
I wasn't creating fantasy here. You what I mean? It

(05:00):
was just authentic, grounded, let's say Julianne Moore type performance
ground that very Christmas Stewart Spencer. I would say that
my costume was the Christian Stewart Spencer of the year
without dressing up like that at all. Like my performances,
Jen was very Christian Stewart and Pablo Aine Spencer. You
were a success to them as a spider. Dude, No,

(05:25):
we can't talk about I'm so I have not felt
this kind of shame in a while, and I think
that's healthy that I like feel like not proud of
something that I've done, that I've executed. It's okay. I
just wanted to lift up you. I think you really.
I thought so finally of you today, I go, Matt
really did that. I'm so happy for her. Those The
way that Halloweens usually go for me is I don't
know what the funk I'm doing until about an hour

(05:47):
before and I really almost bailed on that costume, and
I was like, are people going to even given? Am I?
And then I was worried because I was gonna have
to wear the footwear all like, because everyone knows those
girls wear the big chunky socks with a knife slide,
you know, or like a burk or something. Right, they're
not crunchy enough to wear burg in stocks. And that's okay, right, no, no, no,
yeah that and then what what I will say. One

(06:08):
piece of criticism I god about the pantry girls look
is someone said, I know that people think we show
up in footwear like that, but actually, like there's a
lot of walking and you couldn't just show up in
like socks and a bad shoot. You need a soul support.
People took issue with the footwear, Yeah they did. That's
the danger of like, you know, dressing up as a

(06:29):
type of person, because you weren't. You were You were
dressed up as gen obviously, but you were also you
were also like, this is a kind of person that
is geographically, socie economically specific, right, and they are I
think they're historically important. And so let's just let's just
say this, Like we shot the movie Fire Island this summer,

(06:50):
and for people who thought that maybe there wouldn't be
the representation of the pantry girl, think again, we can't.
We will not reveal at the time who plays a
pantry girl. We will not reveal at the time, we
will only say they have been a guest on Lost Culture.
They have been a guest on Lost Culture, they have
done live Lost Culture shows several times. Favorite guest of ours.

(07:12):
But like it. And I'm just gonna say a performance
that I felt was dropped in that I felt represented it,
got it exactly. Yeah. Oh, a queer legend, honestly, And
I've given something away. She's she's part of the acronym.
That's right, Welcome to the arena. Whenever anyone is part
of the acronym, I said, well, welcome to the arena.

(07:32):
Welcome to the arena. Are you ready? Prepare for battle?
Prepare for battle? Oh my god, that just you know
what that reminds Ulan? No, no, no no. When we
did fin you iconically delivered the line prepare for battle.
And then I posed, you know, I was just back
in Disney World. I know, Wait, we can't do this.
I'm like, there's something's going on with me lately where

(07:54):
I'm like, I feel like Ariel on the Grotto. I
go like, truly like out of the see wish I
could be part of that world. You are part of
that world. I don't know. I'm like I wish. I
thought to myself, Oh god, I've I've been robbed. I've
not been robbed. I've been blessed with this life, but
I've also been I've not been given the chance in

(08:15):
recent years to like watch the leaves change. You know,
we can't Willie Nilly just be like Orlando trip this
October and we used to Willie Nilly say that we
really did, just say I kind of missed that time
in my life. Yeah, but you're always gonna miss the
great before. I mean, that's the thing is, it's like
you never know the good times are the good times.

(08:37):
This is a little sad, but I don't mean for
it to be. This is just like when I first
realized that, like this is a this is an interesting
line of work that we're in, which was my grandmother
passed away two summers ago, three summers ago, and I
was the only member in the family who couldn't go
to the funeral because I was what shooting is really,
I wasn't that high up on the call sheet, and

(08:58):
like there was just there wasn't in my around it,
and I was I still remember that I regret that
I'll carry with me. Yeah, you know, the thing is
what I what I said at the time and what
I believe is true, is like whenever things just don't happen,
like like in the way you'd want it to, just
know that you're whoever passes away, your grandmother is so
proud of you that you get to be, you get

(09:19):
that she gets to you know, be part of why
you exist. But Matt, this is like the relationship I
have with this grandma on my mom's side, it's full
fucking nutty. It's like, oh, I was such a little
piece of ship to her growing up, even though she
was the best, the smartest, the funniest, like someone who
like I like we like it was love all along,
but like there was that developmental period in like middle

(09:41):
school when she was staying with us in Colorado. More
like I was just such a fucking jackass to her
and she was all all she ever did was love me.
And it literally is that. And then I'm just like, damn,
you know, like she anyway like this this business like
you can't go for a damn funeral any you know,
it's it's it's a little crazy, how how how strict

(10:05):
the scheduling all is. And ultimately, yeah, I mean, it's
interesting that you bring that up because I was thinking
the other day, I all my grandparents are gone now too,
and um, you know I was, I was with I
was on this family trip with my mom, my dad,
and my sister. So it's sort of like old times,
like you know, like that is the core for very much.

(10:26):
So that is really where we would go all the
time on family vacations growing up. And I just remember,
so I was walking in Epcot and I remember, I
remember like we were walking past Soren and next door
used to be it's called the Journey into Imagination. Now
it used to be hunting a shrunk the audience. Oh
I missed that right so much. Yeah, so it was

(10:47):
like a three D show and the dog sneeze at
you and felt the spray. Yeah, this is like o
g Epcot. So it's called funny or maybe not, but
like I was there for a while, but I was,
so this is a glimpse and it's gonna surprise no
eader that listen to us for a while. But I
was so that kid. I used to read all the
books about Orlando theme parks before we'd go, Like I

(11:07):
would know about every ride and show and I would
like list out, like Okay, we're gonna do this, this, this,
like that was what I like to do when I
was like seven of the in many ways, not every way,
but many ways. But I remember I had read about
Honey I Shrunk the audience that there was a scary
part where the snake like lurches out and it's three D,

(11:31):
so that was horrifying. So I remember we got to
that show and it was I was probably seven, and
I just freaked out, like this snake was was getting
at me, like the way I am now about horror movies.
I was like that as a kid about the snake.
And I started to cry because my dad was like,
I don't understand why you don't want to do this,
like you've been talking about it for months, like we're

(11:52):
so excited to be here, and now you don't want
to do this, Like I'm gonna hear about it for
the rest of the trip, and he was getting short
with me and my grandmother, who was my favorite. I mean,
I loved my grandmother, my dad, dad's mom or dad's mom,
and she was on the trip and she was like,
I'm going to sit with him out here, and I

(12:12):
just remember I remember her sitting with me, and um,
she just like sat with me and we like hung
out by like these jumping fountains. This is just like
I'm just saying, oh my god, no, wow, Yeah, I
know exactly what you're talking about. I know that area.
I just remember my grandmother being like I didn't really
want to do it either, so this is better for me.
We get to sit down and watch the water. And

(12:32):
we just watched it, and my dad came out and
I think he could sell. He was like, um, disappointed
that he had like snapped at me a little bit.
He was like, well, you were right about the snake
and it was scary. And then we walked on and
we we did something else. But I don't know, just
that memory of my grandmother back in Yeah, I'm sorry
to make it all Modlin. You were talking. You were
actually going to talk about Orlando and how is the trip.

(12:54):
It was a nice trip, But it was also it
was nice for that reason too, because that was a
place where I had so many formative memories and I
actually did get a little emotional, you know, being there
with my family because it's, um, you know, it's that
thing where it's all the same, well not the same
because things. But I had that thing with Disney where
I got the parks where I'm like, I've been coming
here all my life and it's still here in a

(13:16):
way that is like monumental in your own memory, like,
oh this is like this was it was the biggest
deal in the world when I would come here. Yeah,
so the essences of it are there, yeah, and I'm like, uh,
Ellie has been several times, Sophie went to Disneyland when
they when my sister went to l A with my
mom um. But I'm like, I can't wait to And
I did go to euro Disney with with Ellie when

(13:38):
she was like an infant. But I'm like, I can't wait.
Like it'll be really surreal when I go there with
the girls when they're you know, old enough to really
get into it, and I'll be like, yeow, like that
was I was. I was them, like you know, twenty
five years ago or whatever, Like that'll be That'll be fun.
There is something special about it because you see how
excited kids are to be there, and then also it
is just like a lot of family memories and it
was just fun. I mean, we went during the Food

(13:59):
and Wine Festival where there's like the country. We did that,
and we did that. We got drunk, so drunk and
stone and ate every little food thing from the station. Yea,
oh my god, I love the food and Wine Festival.
It was like it was such a blast and like,
um also the breaking news and what I wanted to
tell you about was so, you know, when we had

(14:20):
bad Wong on, we talked about how he was acting
in the pre show of the Veloco Coaster. So I
have seen it and written it now and it's it's
truly crazy and good and we I haven't seen it well,
I was talking. We I've only seen him in the
Jurassic PARTL Jurassic World ride at Universal Hollywood. Yeah, okay,
tell me everything. So it's like the theme of the

(14:40):
ride is like you get to do a roller coaster
through like a raptor paddock and it's it's actually it's
funny because they do this whole pre show where Bryce
Dallas Howard, who actually serves in this pre show, is like,
this open air experience is amazing. You'll get so close
to raptors, but don't worry that the ride vehicles make
it so they can't touch you. And Chris Pratt. You know,

(15:00):
he's just kind of like popping off, like this is
a bad idea at CET other classic theme park give
and take, and so b D is sort of in it,
like talking about the science of it all and that
man can deliver. He is giving you and he looked
so hot in the pre show. Of course he does.
He does he like like a side buzz, like a
side fade. Yeah, oh my god, what a what a

(15:21):
what a legend. He's really he's really delivering and anyway
you could you could want him to. And then the
ride was unreal. So it was so good. I can't
wait to go on it with my Sisteria me. Yeah,
you when are we going? Well, like we said, it's
not just a willing only thing anymore because of absolute careers.
But one day we'll go. We've been meaning to go

(15:43):
for I would say the last thirty six months, right,
like it's been a while, it has been a long time.
But I also think that, and this is crazy for
me to be the one that says this. I do
think we should go to Berlin. You know, it might
be nice. I would love to go to Berlin with you.
I think we would have a very fun time. We've
been talking about it, and we've been talking about it,

(16:05):
and look, we gotta go and with the world's ending,
I don't know anyway. Sorry, I'm like coming in with
bleakness and you're not. You're not. And I also have
to say, like, we did just go on vacasion. We
went to Oh we went were on a vacation. But honestly,
can I say something what I don't feel that rested?
But when this this always happens, Can I ask you

(16:25):
a question? What are you having trouble sleeping? Yes? Well,
what is how do we figure that out? I don't know.
I really don't know the solution to it. I think
it'll just have a nice little I'll have a nice
little lull around the holidays where I maybe get to
catch up on it. But this is just a thing

(16:47):
that I need to maybe address magically. I think maybe maybe,
because that's like, I mean, here's the thing, readers. You
gotta sleep. You got us leader, It's a rule culture
number fifty two. You sleep, okay, I mean, And I

(17:08):
just feel like so much is rooted in that, Like
when I get a good, even solid like eight to
ten hours, um, I feel it's just and This is
news to no one, but it truly you realize how
important it is. That and drinking water. Well, I should
say that I've been hydrating better than ever before, and

(17:28):
that is actually doing a lot of work. This is
so boring. I think maybe it's a cigarettes though. I'll
tell you that I think the cigarettes might be keeping
you up. I'm kind of off of them. I was
not smoking cigarettes when we were in O high, and
I still had trouble sleeping. Well, it's also because I
had to get up and do ship for other people. Whatever, well,
not for not for you. Matt and I were working
on a very fun project and talking about ideas. Get this.

(17:51):
We were working on a very fun project, talking about ideas.
Maybe there, maybe you're about to experience, uh, Matt and
bone like you've never experienced them before, different mediums that
you might not expect. You're giving away too much. No,
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. Well listen, I I
when you said the thing about hits in the beginning,
when you were like, you said something about a hit,

(18:12):
I said, Doug as a hit. You were a hit
at Halloween as a Halloween. I thought you were going
to mention another hit. Which and so just to sort
of talk about pop culture because that is sort of
what what the podcast purports to do. It has been
it has been several weeks and we talked all about
how Adele was going to release Easy On Me, and
since then she has We've heard the whole thing and
it's become the number one song in the world. And

(18:33):
you see today they released her track list. Thing I
did not see. Oh my god, you want to talk
about can you can you inform me? Shall we read
the track list? Thing? Yeah? I said on her on
her Instagram. Let's see Adele track list. So this is
the track list for thirty. Um she has revealed it. Um,
there are there. She has decided. Okay, so get this.

(18:55):
If you could guess who Adele is going to do
her first duet ever with, who would you think it is?
It won't be correct, I know, like it would be
someone not totally in her market but slightly slight overlap
with it. So I would you know, you'd say someone
like a Leon Bridges, you know, like someone like that.

(19:18):
It's Chris Stapleton. Oh yeah, it's it's it's on the
It's on the Easy on Me bonus track. Right, So
it's the deluxe version. Moment Easy on Me duet with
Chris Stapleton is a bonus track on thirty Interesting Um
Errol Gardner I'm seeing as well All Night Parking. I mean, oh,

(19:41):
these are these are fun. These are fun titles though,
So get this. I think if we're gonna judge based
on song title, whether or not the song will be
good or not. Strangers by Nature, that's a good song.
Strangest by Nature, my Little Love Cryer hard Out. It's
honestly like, that's the essence of every adult song. Number
five is oh my God, oh my God, that's gonna

(20:03):
be great. Well, you know, we said, we kind of
said this rule that this is this rule of culture
off air, and we want to tell everyone it's rule
of culture number um nineties four when it comes to
oh my god, and it's true. I mean, there's nothing
more organically exclamatory than oh my god, oh my god.

(20:27):
It's what it's like, as naturalist, pretty thing. It's the
fact that it's three syllables and it's even more natural
than something with less syllables is astounding. It's not like
oh oh no, it's like oh my god, oh my god,
oh my god, your brain just wants to do the
three all three words, all three syllables. It's a three

(20:48):
syllable thing. Bowen Yang, Matt Rogers, Oh my god, three
syllable thing. Doug get out, Doug come in? Wait? Was
he just coming in? No? No, no, But I was
thinking that's an example of like a three syllable thing,
Doug come in? But do you can't come in. You
can't come in invite it. You have to come in
on your own, uninvited. So continuing to read to the

(21:10):
track list, can I get it? I'm I hope that's
not like a British ism like can you you know,
don't let me down? Can you diget like the Beatles
or anything? Can I get it? You know what? Okay,
not to pivot from adult too much? Okay, is there
anything else you want to say about Adult? Well, I
just want to say that number seven is track list
the ones everyone is really getting excited about is called
I drink Drink wine. I mean mass appeal four quadrants

(21:33):
and everybody drinks it. Yeah, every gender, every age group,
you know, everyone drinks wine. Everyone drinks behind And I
think that's the beauty of wine. Is that? Now? Go
ahead and pivot. Well, I was gonna say, like I
need to, like I think it's I think I'm due
for I'm sure you don't feel this way, but I
truly feel the pole to really and this is gonna

(21:54):
sound so annoying, but to really get back into the Beatles,
into the Beatles. Yeah, you know, I have the White
Album on vinyl. That's one of the best albums of
all time. I go, I Am, I was, I was.
I was like I was doing this thing with Cecily
and then like one of the producers was this big
beetle head, like the Liverpool came up or something, and

(22:15):
then Cecily was just rattling off all of these things
about the Beatles, and I was just there being like, oh, yeah,
that doc came out about you know, let it Be
and that concert on the Roof when they, you know,
were hating each other. And apparently this documentary talks about
how it's like the actual footage from that time and
like they were actually in a good place, but they
had to like put forward this and I'm probably butchering

(22:37):
this and p and readers are probably seeing the dock
and can attest to this, but like it's about how
like they were kind of in a decent place, even
though they were supposed to put forth the image of
where there's tension, which is such an interesting inversion of
like what celebrity sort of image usually is about it
They're you're supposed to get along and but actually they

(22:59):
hate each other. This was like the opposite. And but anyway,
Cecily was writtling off all these Beatles facts, and I
was like, I used to be so fucking into them
really late high school, early college, like early college was
what was when I was like, oh wait, like Brian Wilson,
like I need to get back into like the Beach Boys,
so deep into the Beach Boys, and like I was,

(23:19):
I was, I'm just I think it's one of the
most important pop cultural moments when well, no, I'm I'm
saying it was when it was Beatles came out with
like Revolver, and then so Brian Wilson was like, we
need to make an album that's as good as this.
They made Pet Sounds, and then Paul McCartney and I
was John Lennon or is one like the Beatles were
basically we need to make an album as good as this,
like like that little like exchange that back and forth,

(23:43):
like making like three incredible pop albums rock albums. I'm like, wow,
that must have been crazy. That must have been like
you know, when Beyonce came out with self titled and
then Taylor came out with they Were the Original be
and Taylor. That was that was when the girls were growing. Okay,
so this is when going to you, what do you

(24:06):
have to say the Beatles? I mean, you're you're Beatles?
Were you dog whistling him? No? I was not talking.
I've honestly been thinking of this a lot. Dog go ahead.
The Beatles are single handedly the most important thing in
pop music. I mean, everything changed, it all went. Can

(24:27):
you school us like, like, can you give us like
the quick quick sparks notes, cliffs notes? I mean the Beatles.
Every everyone knows. I mean we're we're not saying anything
new obviously, but I think it's important for not not
enough of us, like millennial gen z cuspic gaze, like
I think the children have forgotten. We know about the
British invasion, we know about the of Beatlemania, we know

(24:51):
about you know, it was truly the first like or
not the first BLUs Elvis, but like It was an
iconic moment of intense fandom that was felt all around
the globe. But tell us something we don't know, Doug.
I mean they affected everybody. They weren't macho like, affected
every culture. That's why they're the Beatles. They literally everything

(25:12):
comes from the Beatles that I can see. I mean,
Taylor Swift wouldn't exist without the Beatles. And that's the way.
That's the way you sort of get us to listen. Um, well,
I'm actually I'm gonna I'm gonna, as the kids say,
gag you. Doug and Bowen, you must have been shook. Went.
So we were in Ohio at this restaurant, and why
did you I don't understand why you left? Talk here. No,

(25:38):
we will just miss you when we will just this
are the rules of you coming in, come in uninvited,
and then you leave when we say it can happen
one more time after this. Don't sunk up again. I've
been having a lot of fun with you today and
it could end like that. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something,
and don't leave in the middle of me telling you something.
We went to a restaurant in OHI called the Each House.

(26:00):
It was lovely and wet in there. We have this
amazing waitress a five course in five course, let's just
describe the vibe. The vibe was like, oh, I bet
those trees, the little little bridges to different areas, um,
it felt like a chic costa folklore, very folklore. And
and and then me and Study and Matt were are like, oh,

(26:20):
this is the kind of restaurant that like probably was
huge and so she can cool in the sixties. Like
we said that to each other, like this is a
place where you probably imagine like people in the sixties
coming to and feeling very I don't know, just refined
or cultured. And then our waitress tells us. We're like,
this is such a lovely We were complimenting the place,
how much fun we had, and we were saying the
move food was great, and she goes, well, you know

(26:42):
there's a lot of history here. Well, the first thing
she says was I waited on Luke Bryant. And we
were like oh. And then she goes and right over
that bridge is where John and Yoko wrote A man imagine. Wow, yeah, Doug,
what are your thoughts on pet sounds? This and the Beatles?
But what are your thoughts on I love Pet Sounds

(27:03):
maybe my my favorite album of all time. It's up
there for sure. The harmonies and things are unprecedented. They
went other places baroque pop. You don't get Fleet Foxes
without Pet Sounds. You don't get tight, tight harmonies like
that without the Beach Boys in general, like I mean,
like they didn't invent harmonies, but they like it was
very like I mean, like, was Phil Specter involved with
the Beach Boys ever? It just felt like very wall

(27:25):
of Sounds without Phil Spector's taint on it. I don't remember,
got it. It wasn't Phil Specterr more of the ladies
of the time. Phil Spectrm was more of the ladies.
But like I think, but I'm saying in terms of
like that lush Yeah, the wall of sound music wall
like that was like his thing, and like I feel
like Pet Sounds was that concurrently or maybe slightly before slightly.
I can't. I'm bad with my music history. But Doug,

(27:47):
what's your favorite? What's your favorite album of all time?
Do you have one? Do you have to top three?
Top two? I mean Pet Sounds is up there, really,
Revolver is up there. I'm putting you on the spot.
I'm sorry, and you look uncomfortable. It was. It's just
it's one of those questions where you you listen to
something and then you love it, and then somebody asked you.

(28:09):
That's a horrible I hate myself for asking. Now, don't
worry Doug. Why would you hate yourself for asking this
man who's a musician, what is top three albums of
all time? Are the fact that he can't answer. It's
like when people ask you, like who your favorite actresses
or like what your favorite like, Yeah, Kirsten Dunce, let's
move on, and that's coming onto the chat? Anna Anna

(28:30):
what bye? And this is just a nightmare. Okay, you
know what do you go? You can come in on
one time later. I love Doug. I mean, he's really
the star of the episode, isn't He's the star? His
name is in the title. Sorry is what got you
thinking of all this when she said that? Because when
she said that John and Yoko wrote Imagine at that restaurant,

(28:50):
I was like, oh my god, and then I realized
they probably were on an absolute metric ton of of something,
of of of drugs. I mean, it's the most stoner
slash like l s d song of all time. Imagine
there's no heaven. Whoa but you you go up to

(29:13):
O hi, and I'm telling you something. Purple Mountain majesty
above the fruited plane. Say that it wasn't so beautiful.
I know we were the only fruits there. Let's just
say that it was a very straight energy and oh Hi,
that's for sure. I'm just saying there's no fruited planes
in OHI, I don't think, but it's really lovely. Oh No.
What got me into the Beatles thing was just like

(29:35):
I mean, Cecily talking about them like really like stirred
something in me. I Kayla stirback my good friend from
high school. She was on the improv team with me.
I hope she's doing well. I have I've done a
bad job of reconnecting with her. But she was like
the big Beatles girl, and like Kayla had the best
music taste because she because she was the one who
was like, you gotta listen to the new Fergie song

(29:57):
for Delicious or London Bridge or whatever, and will also
being like you know who Elliott Smith is? Do you
know stevens is? I was like, this girl gets it.
That's the embracing of high and low that we need
in life and people need to be more like ms
was Kayla, miss Kayla Stirback and she, oh my gosh,
she was the one to like. She was so fucking
cool and we like we like saw borat together and

(30:18):
like she was a fucking cool and guess what was
also obsessed with Kirston looked like Kirston a little bit,
Like told me. She was like, she was like, you
gotta read the Virgin Suicides. You gotta watch it. I
was like, like, you gotta know about Jeffrey Ugenity's whatever.
And I was just like this girl, I she was
one of those like I think, let's make up a
new term, okay for icon of high school girlfriends. Well, no, no,

(30:41):
not even high school. It's like a cultural shirt, a
cultural guide, a cultural like steward. She was a cultural
She introduced me. I'm like, my I think Yang my
sisters is definitely that introduced me to a lot. And
then by the time I got to high school, it
was Kayla Kayla like told me what was up anyway?

(31:03):
I mean, I think I think it's it's absolutely fabulous
to say that someone was a cultural stewardess that to me,
that sounds a little too like service E. Like, you know,
like I don't think that's but that's you disrespecting um steward.
I'm not disrespecting. I'm acknowledging to call it service and
do that little handshake you that I'm acknowledging the power

(31:24):
dynamic that is inherent in that outdated job title. But
but to say, to say that someone stewarded me through
something means that they put in care into, like you know, service,
serving me something. Damn, I guess I've really I guess
I've found myself in a little a little circular logic thing.

(31:44):
But who do you have your I think study was
probably one of ours. Both of ours. Study was like
a good one. Yeah. I think study definitely changed the
way I saw a lot of things in high school.
It was for me, it was a lot of the
I to know, I really wasn't and I never really did.
But I would say that it was a lot of

(32:06):
my friends from my cross country team, which I've discussed
on this podcast, like I had older friends, and like
what made the cross country kids different from the kids
did other sports is for me was they liked like
classic rock and like fun rock music like that was
the only exposure to Queen I ever had, which I loved.
And you know it's for me. That was probably because

(32:31):
a lot of this I wasn't. I was I would
only find something if it was really popular, and I
didn't have that. I don't know, I didn't. I guess
you know. I did. I have an uncle that was cool.
I hadn't one uncle that I remember. It was really
important to me that I play him since you've been gone,
because his opinion of it meant a lot to me.
And I remember I played him the song and I said,

(32:53):
I remember I was like fit fourteen, and I was like,
it's very eighties rock. No, and he goes not know
and he did? He throw me a bone? He was like,
it is very eighties rock. And I remember being like, yes,
got Uncle Chris to sign off on this song. Kelly
is a rock goddess. It's interesting to think about. I mean,

(33:21):
we literally this weekend in OHI did some throwbacks for
a couple of movies. We we only watched old Ship.
We only watched old Ship. Actually thinks from like things
that came out between two thousand and seven and two ten,
was it was okay? So reader, we we we watched
Jennifer's Body and Rena and went in Miami, which we've
recently talked about, I think with Sarah with Sarah Sarah squirm. Yeah, yeah,

(33:43):
both wonderful, wonderful. Study had never seen Jennifer's Body, and
we on this podcast last Culture just believe that Jennifer's
Body is an underrated gym and that actually it's one
of Diablo Cody's best I think that's widely agreed upon.
I don't want to say that. People don't say that.
Sure they do know there's a disrespect of Jennifer's body

(34:03):
that happens amongst the mainstream conversation about it. They don't
talk about it because I don't know. I don't think.
It's obviously not one of her more serious efforts, at
least on face value. But there's a lot of very
cool themes in there that I think we rediscovered and
watching it again, and Megan Fox is great and Amanda
Seyfrid is fucking great, and it's so good in it,

(34:25):
so great, and I mean, yeah, you and Study talked
about how it's obviously like deb Cody's queerest movie, but
it's also like so about queerness without it being cheaply
centered on the moment where like they make out. It's like,
oh no, you can kind of like it's if you
think about it, it's like, no, Amanda's eyfread like that character,

(34:45):
um isn't fully maybe fully in love with this boyfriend
and that like literally she's getting fucked by him and
all she and like she because of this bond she
has with Jennifer, is only thinking about her, picturing her,
sensing her as she's getting as she's as she's as
she's being like penetrated, and so it's like, whoa, that

(35:07):
is so so rich, so great, like not too on
the nose, like such a great piece of like queer cinema.
I don't know, I think I also think it's it
just I mean I think that they've said this, but
maybe the marketing of it missed the market because they
marketed it at the time Two Boys, because it was
like Megan Fox was of course sex symbol of that time. Meanwhile,

(35:33):
it's like deeply about female friendship and um, you know,
I believe like queer sexuality in high school and figuring
that out, and you know, there is um a lot
in there about like when a girl achieves a certain
level of sexuality that men feel they can just take
that from her, because I mean, I mean, Jennifer is

(35:54):
murdered and assaulted in the in the in the film,
and it's just it's a really it's a much more
interesting movie than I think people thought of it at
the time. And I also don't think a lot of
people saw it because there was this um predetermination to
not take her seriously Megan Fox, right, And like, first

(36:16):
of all, there were so many times in that movie
where I turned both through, you know, I was just
like She's, Wow, how did she how is she doing that? Um?
But which is not to like patronizingly be like I
didn't know Megan Fox could act good. That's not what
I'm saying. I'm just saying, like there's just such a
mechanical technical skill in that and what she's doing. But like, no, literally,

(36:37):
she and Diabolic Cody did like, uh, you know, a
tenth anniversary interview rees like a couple of years ago,
and it's just the two of them talking to each other.
It's such a good interview. It's such a great interview
for the both of them, and they both talked about
how it sucked, and it was so maddening the way
they marketed it and the way they the way it tested,
and like all of these things. They were like, this

(36:58):
is crazy, Like this is in what the movie is
and why why is it about like tits and ass
when it's like about something I don't know, like so
much more meaningful and and and nuanced and like I
don't know. Layer, Yeah, it's definitely worth a rewatch because
even in rewatching it, like I always when I'm discussing
the movie, it was clear to me when I saw

(37:19):
this this most recent time that it had been a while,
because I usually always say whenever we're discussing Jennifer's body
that the only part of the movie that doesn't ring
true for me is the sex scene between them. But
then in this viewing of it, I was like, this
actually works for me because this is an actual erotic
moment between them, because it's the first truly erotic moment
of Amanda Sypherd's character's life, and especially in contrast with

(37:42):
her sexual experience with her boyfriend in the movie. It's
it really, it just jumps out and you remember it
because it actually means something to her, And I didn't
pick up on my first viewings of this movie. I've
seen it at least twice before, but um, there's that
moment where Megan goes to we play boy, Like what
what was it like? There's just like an illusions boyfriend

(38:02):
girlfriend something like that where it's like it's alluded to,
and then in the flashbacks it's like, oh, these girls
are connected through literal blood and also through some like
emotional investment where they've seen each other where it makes
sense that they're friends first of all, and then it
kind of makes sense that they would hook up that way,

(38:26):
especially after Megan's like coming off of like spoiler alert,
killing a guy, glowing, feeling like in her element in
her prime, feeling like she's empowered enough to like for her,
it's a neurotic for Megan. For Jennifer, it's a neurotic
experience too, because she doesn't need to hook up with
her Like she's hooking up with boys and killing them
because she needs to live as a demon. But she
doesn't need to hook up with Amanda Seyfrid's character out

(38:49):
of necessity, you know, she doesn't literally doesn't need to
do that, and so she's it's both of them, for
both of them. It's this pleasurable experience like that is,
and and why wouldn't female sexuality be anything but that
for these characters. I think it's so great. Yeah, and
it's funny, and it's a lot of it really is
super funny. The performances are good, so that song really

(39:13):
and it's truly like returning a lot throughout the movie
in a really fun way. The fact that it's such
a good hook lucky sort of makes the way that
they get corrupted by him make a lot of sense
because he is this like you know, Adam Brody on
the movie Who's Such Who, He's great, and he is
this douchebag rocker, but then when he sings it's this

(39:34):
essentially like crooney, mid tempo pop song that the girls
swoon over, and you know, ultimately he takes advantage of them.
But it's just like, I don't know, it's it's just
a much more interesting movie than I think people gave
it credit for. And also another thing we have to

(39:54):
think about two is and still to this day this
is the case, but the way movies get reviewed it
really matters because and this is why we need like
a diverse um population in terms of who is reviewing
the films right, So, and the answer is not always
if it's a queer movie, get the queer person to
review it, just because honestly, they they're they're often much

(40:16):
harder than anyone else on their own representation. That's a
whole other thing we could digress about, um, which we won't.
But I just think probably probably what happened at the
time was if it wasn't majority male movie reviewers, you know,
seeing that movie and then spitting their opinion out on it,
it was female reviewers in the context of film criticism

(40:40):
at that time, which is, you know, you really do
want to be taken seriously. And I just think so
much that the the prism and the lens through which
we see movies like that at the time, it really
didn't stand a chance at getting taken super seriously. And
it is an audacious script, and she was a lightning

(41:01):
rod figure, Megan Fox. And so I wonder if it
gets released now, and I do think it holds up
how it's how it's reviewed now, you know, I wonder,
that's a really great observation, really great observation. You were
the smartest girl, you know, that's not true. I think
the smartest girl is probably Greta. Um wait, when when

(41:26):
you were again pantry girl, Jen you were when you
were describing Adam Brodie's band, you said crooney, which I
thought you were gonna I think, did you mean to
say rooney? No, but they were very ruoney asked, but
it was very rooney asked. And do you remember do
you remember Queen Somewhere only, I Love, I Love. I
thought that was I thought that was the best song

(41:49):
in the world. It's a very good song. And that
that that talk about like big old monster hook and
that whole deal. Whoa. I remember Blake Lewis did it
on the American Idol one time, and I was like,
you better sing because he was just at the time
to completely date the world right now. What a what
a great belt on that male belt on that song though, absolutely,

(42:12):
and I'm getting to and then d yeah, such a
good I mean literally that like speaking of that time,
you know what else I was obsessed with at the time.
It is one of the best pop songs ever, Like
like a couple of months ago, it was like right
when the pandemic seemed like it was truly ending. And

(42:32):
then the delta variant popped up a bunch of house Schliker,
like a bunch of us, Like we all went to
Jared was there full four months ago, right, but we
all went to this thing in l A which was
like it was truly like a pop of the two
thousand's party was at a bar or no, but I
told you about it. I forget. I don't know what
venue it was, but I'm telling you, Ale Down, Sugar,

(42:55):
Were Sugar, We're Going Down has to be one of
the best pop songs ever. It was so good. And
also another song that came on and hit me in
my fucking talk about talked about this, Yeah, what hit
your problem? Mr? Bright Side? Bitch, Oh don't eat Mr
bright Side. It was like it was like a big again.

(43:17):
Really talk about this, talk about this synesthesia of hearing
the song and feeling that you were getting penetry coming
out on my cage. And I've been doing just gotta
be down because I want it all. So you're saying
there's like a kinetic energy too. I mean that hot
fuss that is that is one of the best, That
is one of the best albums of that decade. They

(43:40):
were so good and all these things that I've done love.
I mean that was the best time truth and hearts
that and that guitar is just that instrumental stretch. Yeah,
I want to set up, I want to go Yes,
so good, Oh my god. Yeah that that that was

(44:03):
a really good era. And at the time I was
like afraid of panic at the disco, but then they
played like I write since not tragedies um at the
event and I was like, wow, this is something that
is important, so good and smile like you mean it.
I'm sorry, I'm still on the killers, Like oh I'm
Holistically a music like that was truly but talk about

(44:26):
like that was formative music for us. I mean being
in high school, you never forget like everyone's gonna happen.
That's just it for us. It's the attachment in that
critical time and like love that the kids have these
these these this music now because I think it's it
is a very good time in music. It's something so
precious and nostalgic, not to wax too wistful about it,

(44:48):
but it's so oh, it's so powerful. I'm gonna make
like I'm gonna make You're so good to make a
play you know that one of everyone, all the readers
that know any they know a thing, know that one
of bone young superpowers, you have the gay power of playlists.
But can I it is one of the gay powers.
Can I just say? Though? Lately, I've felt very self
conscious about this thing that I do, where I'm like,

(45:10):
who am I to be so histrionic to think I'm
gonna put together songs that other people have made and
kind of curate them. Oh God, that word, But they're
not You're in doing that. You're not saying I'm a
curator of something. You're just saying like you're in that,
and that it's like something where it's like, now take
me seriously, or like you're doing something that you enjoy

(45:31):
and sharing it. Just look at it like that. And
I've lately have been doing like fun Little Mood to
my boss battle music I did. I've been like city
pop stuff like everyone already knows about everyone. I love
it when I'm saying people know about city pop outside
of this podcast. But I think I think we need
to make like early like mid Auts when we were

(45:52):
in high school, that music we've talked about, like taking
back to Sunday. I feel like this is a difference,
is a slightly different adjacent area where it's like, honestly
not ashamed to admit it, was obsessed with Switchfoot. Oh
love switch Foot, especially after I watch I remember it's
like that switch Foot. Yeah, I liked them too because
they did because they did a cover of only Hope.

(46:13):
Yes they did, and then he fucking goes for the
belt on the bridge. Well he can sing there. Yeah,
I mean liked never. I mean they're there's so there's
so much because it's just like and again, I wish
I hadn't um been so afraid to like what I
liked truly in high school because I don't really liked

(46:35):
that and other people liked that too, Yeah, because they
were the only thing I really was like, No, I
don't like them, despite the fact that I probably did.
Was this I'm Good Charlotte because it was the all
loved good Charlotte. But the emo of it all was
not something that I could to liking at the time
for some reason, for whatever reason that makes sense. But
I mean, god, I just I just yeah, what I

(46:59):
would have what a fun little time like like like
kind of like matched, Oh my god, did you ever
listen to stars? What is stars? Uh? Your x um
set yourself on fire, your ex lover is dead. I
don't know this. Oh my you st Oh, you're gonna
fucking freak if you, if you, if you're in the
mindset to go back to that time. This is like

(47:22):
something I don't think they were ever on Gray's and
like the early seasons, but like it would be like
something that they would play on Gray's when like you know,
like Derek and Meredith would like pass over each other
in the hallway. Right. So my favorite type of music, well,
basically my favorite type of music was Gray's Anatomy climbax scene.
Well can you okay? So the music Literally think I
think we've talked about her before on the pod Alex Pastavas.

(47:44):
I'm not even looking anything. I can just recall her name,
music supervisor for Gray's Anatomy for many seasons. I don't
think she works there anymore, but she was also the
music supervisor on the o C. A perfect woman, a
perfect woman, but like truly someone who crafted sensibilities and
a literal tastemaker. Was soundtracking all of our teenage years

(48:08):
alongside you know, Ryan and Morissa and and everybody you
know and Seth and oh my god, what was the
summer or summer perfect music for that show. Yeah, what
an important job. If you're a music supervisor and you
do that job well, that is that can be one
of the most impactful jobs in showbiz. Yeah, I think that,

(48:29):
I mean the music of any project, just like so
like I remember, like when Jared was putting his movie together,
The Fine and we were talking about the music so
much and he loves music so much, like and so
I'm so excited about the musical element of Three Months,
especially because Choice Savon is starring in it. You know. Actually,
like I've heard some of the music that he's done
for it, and it's so good. But I think I
think Jared played me one soide he did and I

(48:50):
was like, whoa, it's really really good. People should be
excited about what Choice savan is going to bring in
the next year. So like, which is which is really
super excit something because we've been excited for many years.
I've loved Troy since I first saw him, when I
saw like a little twinkie pop star who was just
I mean when he was on NL and just like
fully like giving it I was I was doing that

(49:13):
was bluem Era, Yeah, but I was loving Troy even
before that, Yeah neighorhood, blue neighborhood is a blue neighbor
the song blue Neighbor is so good. Yeah anyway, sorry,
but um, Troy. I mean, I'm just saying like everyone
should be should be psyched about the turn that Troy's
career is about to take, because it's gonna be very
very cool. Okay, So wait, I'm loving living in this

(49:35):
nostalgia era and I know, but I also feel that
it's a connector because one thing that's resumed this year,
which we're both into we haven't talked about yet Survivor.
This Survivor. So this episode pissed me off because I
wasn't a t but a fun twist, but a fun
twist that might not actually have much consequence. I think
it'll be like a nothing burger by the next episode.

(49:56):
Are we both loving the I mean, the season has
a main character. This season has at main character. Her
name is Shan, also known as the Mafia Pastor. I mean,
one of the most compelling biopackages you could ask for
in reality television. I mean literally, I I'm loving what
they're doing narratively with the season because I feel like
you're really getting to know all the quick characters as
it were, and they they're doing this thing where like

(50:17):
in the narrative they'll drop it all away and you'll
see like footage from their old life. They never used
to do that very great British bakeoff. Yeah, it seems
like maybe the show was being edited by edited by
a different person, or the show or the whole series
has a different take on what it's doing in a
way that I'm really enjoying. I'm loving the season. I
think they really took it seriously. They were like, after

(50:39):
forty let's reset it in some way, not hard reset,
but let's reset it in some small aesthetic ways that
will actually make a big impact. And narratively, I think
that is really reverberating. And I was saying when you
were like, it's you're getting to know these people. We're
only like six episodes in. It's it's early days. I
mean we got to the merge, but early days. And

(51:00):
I'm like, but I feel like I kind of have
a read on these people, and I'm kind of i
and I think there's room to be surprised and delighted
and shocked, um, but I feel like I'm already really
attached to these people. Well, you know, you notice now
more than ever that casting is everything because the people
on this season that soever, they're all interesting in dynamic

(51:22):
and it's also thems then what we should say it
is the most diverse group there's ever been, so that's
been a real strength of it. But it's also like
you compare it to this season of Drag Race UK,
It's like, oh no, it's that just goes to show
like a whole season of television can can live and
die on casting. Well literally, i mean like All Stars

(51:42):
Too is like a perfect example, like you absolutely stacked
people on that cast. Yeah, I mean you us season
thirteen incredible, incredible casting. But it's like and for an
all star season of a show, it's like that's different
because you're pulling from you know, past contestants. But you
know this is so I think they did a great
job on Survivor this season. Yeah, I think Jeff really

(52:04):
likes them, if that means anything. I'm loving Jeff this season.
He is on one and I love that. Can you
just name another legend? We don't stand too many straight
white sis sis men on this pod? He would be
I'm sure we do. Do you think he would ever
come to this show. He wouldn't get it. He would

(52:24):
he knows how to talk to a queer person, like
there's there's been queers on the show since season one. Okay,
do you remember in the first episode when he was
like that the whole on the compendium on guys. When
that was happening, I was like I kind of was
rolling my eyes and like, is this performed? And then
I was like, no, you know what, I'm still knowing
that I know knowing that what I know about this person,

(52:45):
Like yeah, is this definitely happening on CBS in a
way where it's like, look at us having the conversation. Sure,
but also I bet he genuinely used to respect everyone
on that she wants to know and not for any
like I roll compulsory, Oh I gotta do this. I
think he's genuinely like, I'm fascinated by people, especially people

(53:06):
who want to do this show, and I want to
make sure I like have a care and a consideration
into like how I talk to these people as a
group and individually. Like he's god, Like he's like he
is the reality show host. Yeah, I mean, if he
were still like eligible for the Emmy like, I don't.
I mean, maybe people have just kind of feel like
they've seen Survivor, but a Lifetime Achievement awards, he's won

(53:29):
a couple in the beginning, but he gat himself out.
But the thing too, for people that don't know what
we're talking about. In the very first episode of the
season of Survivor, he said, well, you know, one of
my iconic things I say is come on, And he
then put to the cast. The second they get on
the on the boat and they they're first all introduced,

(53:49):
He's like, who has a problem with me saying come on?
In guys, because if one person does, I won't say
it anymore. I want to move forward. I want the
show to adapt and evolve and change in a fully
well intentioned way. And the one well, the one queer
woman was not the one queer woman, but one of
the queer women. Heavy said, or you know what, I

(54:09):
believe that they're non binary. They referred to themselves as
a woman, refer to themselves as a queer woman. But
I believe in press materials after the show that they're
non binary. So let's just refer to them as they
and say they said that they did not have a
problem with come on guys. That's a colloquialism. Then later
in the episode, another clear another queer contestant, Ricard said

(54:33):
I thought about what you said, and I don't think
we need come on guys. And so Jeff has retired
come on guys, just like that, in a way that
was not like begrudging. Literally he made the terms clear,
if one person has an issue with it, I will
not say it anymore. And then one person said it
and was and then he was like in a different
at a different time, and he was like, Okay, great,

(54:56):
what if he had been like, actually, that was the
thing for yesterday and we used too long. So I'm
gonna keep saying. I mean this is I mean, I
think he his brain is on another level because too
to comment, to commentate or whatever on the actual challenges
the way he does, for he has done for two
decades at this point, that takes like such a skill,

(55:19):
such a such a such an awareness of how entertainment
is communicated, of like how to like just tell a story.
I just think he's a genius. And you know the
fact is, they don't always get it right on that show.
There have been there have been whole seasons of the
show which are like unwatchable because of the way they
bungle certain social issues. I'm thinking specifically about season thirty

(55:42):
nine with um, you know, Kelly Kim being assaulted and
that that he was not taken off right away, but
or fucking what's her face? The cops are us girl?
Well yeah, I mean, you know, that's the whole thing,
and I'm itself, Sarah. But the fact is CBS, I
don't think there probably is a more conservative viewers ship,
Like there's a loyal viewership of CBS which is older

(56:05):
and mail, which is why they have n c I
S fucking every city and the c S I S
and all that. The impact is huge, right, and so
this is still a very widely watched show. And so
the fact that that conversation happened, even if I thought
to myself, like who are they doing this? For the
fact that that conversation is happening on a show like that,

(56:26):
that's it is important and I do see the value
when it I'm sure there was I mean, there was
like blowback from like there was Ricard was saying he
got a lot of hate for bringing it up again,
But honestly, I'm sure I'm positive. In fact, I probably
remember reading this that week that a lot of queer
people who watched everything like, oh my god, what a
fucking iro roll like and then it's like, well then

(56:48):
it sucks. It's like they're damned if they do and
they're damned if they don't. That's kind of what I'm
saying about, like as queer people, like maybe maybe that
moment actually isn't for for us as much as it
is for people. For me, it's not for me at all.
I'm like, you know what I will say in publicly
that I will every now and then throw around the

(57:09):
guys when I know I'm a mixed company in terms
of in terms of gender, and I'm just like I
would think that I don't know. I mean, that's not
up to me to say, but like, I'm not even
asking myself that question the way that Jeff is. And
I'm sure a lot of other people identify with this,
like it's it's it feels like excessive or cartuitous or something.

(57:31):
And I don't know. I think about that Waham episode
all the fucking time. From Trell, the episode that Studio
wrote that you were in. I talked about it with
Vanessa the other day. I was like, I think about
that episode all the time where it's like, sometimes when
you think something is for you, it might not be
and that's okay, and it's for it's for someone who

(57:52):
needs to hear this because they don't have the same
sort of social environment contours there, the their awareness is
not is not as filled in as yours. You know,
like that that's what we're that's what we have here. Well,
I remember when because we were watching separately obviously, but
when when it got to that point in the episode,

(58:13):
I texted you and I said, I think I said
something like L O L this compendium on guys And
I was like, what do you think about this? And
you were like, it's I roll, but I guess it's
not for me to say and I and then I realized,
I was like, yeah, it's actually not for us to say.
It's for someone who wants it changed to speak up
and say. And then someone in the episode did do that.
I have started to you know, because guys is such

(58:34):
a colloquialism, it's such a cultural colloquialism that it is
that one thing where when I when I was was
first brought to my attention to maybe eliminated. I think
there was a defensive thing where I was like, really,
we can't say like, hey, guys, like even though it's like,
you know, well intentioned. And then I really thought to myself, like,
you know, it's never going to bother me, so why

(58:55):
so it's not for me to say? And I've started
taking it out of like, you know, from writing an email,
like I will take that word out. If I'm using
social media in a way, I will take that word
and I'll say, folks, I'll say all because it's easy
for me and it helps people feel good. So why
wouldn't you do it? You know? I this is this
is I should not be bringing this up. But I
feel like there there was like internally some like queer

(59:19):
blowback on people. I think. I think it's I think
now a lot of people that I know are like,
I roll of all. I rolls when they see folks
with an X written out in the in an earnest way,
And I'm like, see, like, is there such a thing
as like overcorrecting the absolutely? But you have to do
that to arrive at a place that's I mean, I

(59:41):
would it's I mean this it gets into dodgy territory
when you say this, but I do believe that there
has to be an overcorrection when there's been such an
this is not the word, but you know what I mean,
Like when when something hasn't even been broached at all
and it's been damaging two people, it's actually okay that
we a little too far, you know, agree, And it's

(01:00:03):
like that with you know, and not to get into
the cancelation of it all, like the narrative that. But
sometimes I'm like, you know what if people have to
answer for past behaviors that are that are not necessarily
like abject harmful, even if they're good people that have
to have an uncomfortable moment, that's actually okay because in
the grand scheme, we need to have a reckoning about

(01:00:24):
things like this and get to a place where we're
living in a world of equity, of fairness, of you know,
actual everyone, actually everyone being respected for their humanity, not
just some antiquated way of referencing like people are relating
to people. You know, it's about humanity, and it's actually
okay if we overcorrect sometimes, so the conversation to me,

(01:00:45):
even if in the moment I was like are we
really doing this? Actually I get it now and I
respect it. I agree. Agree, let's talk about these remaining Survivors. Well,
first of all, there's stars on the cast, their stars
and the cast, even someone like voch or Genie. I'm like,
I wish I could have seen more of them. I
it's hurts, like this is the first season I've watched

(01:01:08):
in a while, and I did watch a ton of seasons,
as we know, as did you like where this season
when you lose people, it's hurting. It's it's it's it's competitive,
it's it's high stakes. I'm telling you readers, I know you,
if you, if you were listening to us all throughout
the summer, you know we had our moment with Survivor.
It is not ending. This is another great season. Two
summers ago wow, fun, I know, I know we're at

(01:01:32):
that point now where we're going two summers ago. Summer,
it's been it's been it's been like a year and
a half. Let's just say and change. But um, poverty
was was summer? Wow? Yeah, And we love you, we
love you. Part of Zeke was Zeke was summer. But
but we go way back, we go way back with

(01:01:53):
Zeke of course, Um, yeah, no, it's it's it's a
great season. I think that Shan is the one to watch,
and I think that, you know, it's almost that thing
of like when you when you watch reality shows so
much or any television and you start to see it
with TV brain you can see what you see the patterns. Yeah,
there's pattern recognition. Yeah. The narratives are built in, like
you can pretty much tell who's top three. I thought,

(01:02:14):
I love the narratives though it's something to like see
the narrative for what it is. But I really like
this narrative. I'm obsessed. What do we think? I mean,
we're recording this on November one. I feel like the
Erica thing. I hope, I hope it gives her some
intrigue because I feel like everyone on that tribe is
we haven't really gotten to know them that much. But

(01:02:35):
I kind of love that everyone dislikes her. I'm sorry,
I will publicly say I cannot stand Sydney. Cannot stand her. Yeah,
I think she is a fun character to watch, but
certainly if the island has a bitch goddess this year
is Sydney. It's actually not her? Who is I don't
think there needs to be one. I love it as

(01:02:56):
an archetype. But I get what you're saying. I don't.
I don't mean to describe this word to her to Shan,
but if you want to like someone who is like
just coming for you and it's playing this game so
well and like is not afraid to like fuck you,
Like Shannon is your bitch goddess. She is literally she
has a shift. Yeah she is, she's out here. Parv

(01:03:19):
was never like the bitch goddess. To me, Parv was
just like a great, a great like hot girl who
knew like her power. Sydney is just like I'm just like, no,
you stop it where she's like I think she was
like fishing at one point and she was like I
don't know. She just like brabbed about herself in a
way that was just like not I'm just not self
aware of what she was something like the girls are

(01:03:41):
the girls are never the girls on the show are
never like me. I'm out here actually providing for the
tribe in the way that like Ozzy Wood or whatever,
like she's like something else. It was something that really
got to me and I was like, her humor is
not landing with you. Her whole vibe is not landing
with me. And maybe it's because I like, I meanbe
it's because we all know that girl, I don't know,
I mean, we all know all of these people. Um,

(01:04:03):
but Shan Shan I love, I love is a star.
He is coming out of the world wrook for me, Like,
and you know what I love about him, Like when
he's succeeding in the show, I'm happy, like and I too,
that doesn't happen with a lot of people, right, Like,
It's like he is sort of only has good intentions

(01:04:24):
and it's very um but it's still a still journey,
very here is journey good intentions, still very strategic player,
very good physical player, kind of like a You'll kind
of You'll checks a lot of the Buell boxes, like
obviously not the same person as Youll, but like I'm like, okay,
like I'm not paying tribute to Nasier as much as
I was, you know, I mean, You'll, it's like a

(01:04:45):
god fully a god come factory, Come Factory called me
the come Factory. He's so fucking hot and Ozzie was
so hot too, and you know Ozzie has only fans yeah,
but he's it's just like him like yanking it. No,
that's him sucking checks. Dude. You know, I'm sorry you
and you're you and your straight porn fetish. Sorry, I'm

(01:05:08):
not I don't mean a king shame but straight. Actually
it's actually it's actually a little culture number one hundred
and four straight kink um. That's true. Well, man, I
say you know what to be honest, she's tired. She's tired,
and also I have something to do so we can
move on it. I don't think so, honey, I just

(01:05:29):
don't want to. I wanted to just touch on one thing.
As the morning show correspondent for the show, I felt
like I should just tell everyone will please spoiler alert
spoiler alert spoiler alert forwards like to two to five
minutes from no no, no, no, no no no, not even
it's gonna be quick. Steve Carrell drove off a cliff.
So the third graders are cackling writing this season. It

(01:05:49):
could not be more insane. I the teachers not even
in the room anymore. They're on vacation. There there the
teachers left her vacation. I forgot to get users came
to school on their own, their own volition to be like,
we love this so much, we're having so much fun
writing this show that they came to school and now
he's gonna drive off on cliff Yeah, and he's dead. Okay,

(01:06:10):
so I know that I'm here to let you know
exactly how much fun the third grade is. We're having
writing in the morning show. They're having a blast, having
the best week on the class. Um. We wish the
best for We wish the best for Dorite Kemsley. We
hope that we hope that it wasn't stage. You better

(01:06:32):
take that back. No, I don't think so, Honey is
gonna be Derite related? Okay, what else? What else? I
think that it might be Sime for I don't think so.
I just wanted to touch on a couple because current
events are happening as we speak. Current events are happening
as we speak. Um, did you watch the Potoma Coinneally?
I watched Potomac CONNELLI I missed Slake City. I will
watch that tonight. Potomacinelle, you know Vulture was I forget

(01:06:54):
her name, but she writes wonderful recap through Potomac, and
she pointed out something very interesting. She was like, all
of the franchises for Housewives put in the Pandemic have
really struggled with like a crawl to the to the
finish line. And it's okay because it's like it's hard
to because I guess there's still all these limitations around
shooting with COVID that it's really hard to like produce

(01:07:17):
story out of what they're you know, what they can
work with and anyway, But then she also said this
funny thing where she was like, um, I forget what
the context of the sentence was, but she said that
Robin has been acting like squid word all s yeah,
very very our e or just like and it's sad
because that's not the Robin we love. Yeah, I just

(01:07:38):
I do feel bad for though, because that one wants
to get married so bad. I'm just like, can you
just can we just have the wedding please? I can't
believe we had a wedding this season. It was Karen's
second one. It was not vow renew. Well. Juan was
being all kinds of fucking stupid this episode. I was like,
why did he drive off at the mere mentioned that
he was not present as a father. He was like
a main character in this episode and then when he

(01:07:58):
was like mediating the Michael and Chris uh, I was like,
I don't know, And then I was really happy the
campus called it what it was, which was the white
privilege of it all. The fact that Michael is even
allowed to be there is insane. Assaulted crew members and
let's not forget about that one fucking crazy. But looking
forward to the Nicki Minaj host reunion, that's for sure.
I need Nikki to fucking destroy Giselle and Ashley Derby

(01:08:22):
destroy happen. I'm done with Ashley. Actually, I'm like, you're
not even that fun or funny. I mean, I'm I'm
talking about this thing. I I was thinking last night
about how Bravo went live with Brooke Ashley, one of
our favorite house lives loved, but they went live with
her and then they surprised brought in Ashley Derby and
then Brooke was stuck to her guns and was like hello,

(01:08:42):
like what basically was like? Did not? She said? She said,
Ashley this season is wearing thin and she said it
to her face and I was like, oh my god,
but her face when Ashley Darby came on the life,
because there was like a surprise they were like, guess
the mystery houselife from the chat, and she hates Ashley
much so when she popped up, I saw her face
and she literally was like, Ah, I loved it. I'm

(01:09:05):
gonna go live with her this week? I think, Yes,
I think I'm going to live with her at some
point after Wednesday, after after the part four, I'm gonna
I'm gonna d m her because we've been we've been
making plans to go live and have a glass of
wine and talk house lives, and so maybe after this
part four of the of the Beverly Hill drainion will
do that. But can I say I'm tuning in, honey.

(01:09:27):
You might even have to join up. You might have
to join in. I gonna have to tune in for
that one. Let's do I don't think so, honey. It
is a one minute segment that is iconic for UM
the way that it provides opportunity to drag something in

(01:09:52):
culture UM like it's never been dragged before. It is
our famous segment. I would love to go ahead and
do it. This is perfect, this is Matt Rodgers. I
don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't
think so honey, people saying that Dorrite and p K
staged the break into their home because actually, think about
this for a second. I know we don't love to read.

(01:10:15):
I know we are all team Garcel as am I
to the end of time. By the way, she's coming
on last in April, and I said it out loud,
so now it has to happen. But she's on the
schedule out. We are a team gar But even not
being team to read, do you think that she would
put her children through that? I mean, come on, like,

(01:10:35):
if that would be crazy for her to say, hey,
break into my home while my kids are there, the
trauma that would inflict on them, I understand she needs
a narrative for next season. Is the timing weird because
it was the same episode on the reunion where they
talked about like, Lisa, you gotta put your dresses awhere,
someone's gonna come to your house, and they came to
Kyle and took all her ship and hours later Derts

(01:10:56):
taking for home is broken into. Yes, it's weird, but
we think she'd be that craven maybe, but I don't
think so, honey. And that's one minute, because I did
entertain for a second, when we talked about it the
next the morning, the morning after, I said, this seems
suspicious and only I'm sorry to say, only a hundred
thousand dollars. They was reported that the amount of money

(01:11:18):
they got away with the people that broke him amounted
to about a hundred thousand dollars. And then Jared was
texting me and he was saying, yeah, but that's like,
that's like a couple of her drags. I mean, especially
when she's got price Point on her wedding gowns. I
was like, that's probably a couple of handbags, a couple
of dresses. Like the fact that they were there fully
broken to the house, there was more than one of
them and they only made out with that much is weird.

(01:11:40):
Also the fact that they were starting shooting on the
new season that day that day and thee it was
all a little odd, but sometimes things in life are odd. Okay,
I know, Stranger than Fiction and that's a Taylor Swift song, Okay,
better than Revenge, Golden Globe nominated. Did Stranger than Fiction

(01:12:01):
is whateverr song titles? I don't think that's stranger than fiction?
Was this is crazy that you don't know this? I
don't all Taylor. But Stranger than Fiction was Oh that
was um, yeah, I know where you're talking about. It
was actually from like a Will Ferrell movie. It was
from true. Now that's no. The Will Ferrell movie is
Stranger than Fiction. But maybe Taylor has a song that's

(01:12:22):
called Stranger than Fiction, Stranger Sweeter than Fiction. Okay, wow,
I'm eating crow part right now. It is from the
motion picture One Chance Sweeter than Fiction. Ship. I think
that's going on. Red Taylor's version pretty cool? All right?
So now comes the time where it's Bowen Yang's I

(01:12:42):
don't think so, honey, And I'm thrilled to say that
now is the time where I can say I'm this
episode that Bowen Yang. Your time starts now, I don't
think so, honey. Plastic packaging that's hard in that shell
that you have to get a fucking pair of scissors
out and cut through, you know what I'm talking about,
by an electric razor. I cannot believe the deathmatch that

(01:13:03):
I was engaged in this morning. So I could open
up this electric razor that I bought on the internet,
and I had to take two different pairs of scissors
to cut through because the stickers the stickers weren't coming off.
The packaging is so fucking like late nineties Costco bullshit,
you know, like such bullshit. And I could have cut

(01:13:26):
myself this morning. And I can't afford to cut myself.
I have a roof to put over my head. That's right.
I'm single, and no one's looking out for me but me.
Single people cannot be given these things, otherwise they will
not be able to provide for themselves. And I don't
want to get my caretakers involved. Spoon feed me my

(01:13:46):
my breakfast in the morning, all because I cut myself
trying to open up a package. And that's one minute.
I want you to know one thing is not true.
You are not the only person looking out for you.
And if you ever need money, sister, if you ever
need money, sister will send a check. I'm struggling. If
you ever are struggling financially, girl, and that Ivory tower
of thirty rock, I will send a check to the gig.

(01:14:08):
What is the top number for you? I would send
you a hundred dollars, bitch, I'll take it alone. For
the fish. I went to the bank. I slept with
the teller. I know they're tired of me, etcetera. Yeah,
um yeah, Can I say something whenever you're opening up,
like do you know what I'm talking about with the

(01:14:29):
five million twisty things, I'm like, who is this protecting?
When you're opening up like sharpies, when you're opening up
like scissors, that kind of single use plant, I would
consider that single use like it's not getting recycled, and
nine percent of plastics get recycled. That ain't part of
the that that's because by the time you open it,
it's a gnarl mess. I mean you can't reuse. I

(01:14:52):
mean it's just pathetic. You can't give it. Get that
to a toy, to a child as a toy, cut
themselves just like me. It really actually Dane Dress. Yeah,
it's fully aggress it's a weapon. And if there were
an earthquake, it will become a projectile. If you had
it laying around, girl, if it were an earthquake, it
would become that that say that, well, thank you for

(01:15:14):
supporting me financially and sort of you know, argumentatively in
that I don't think so. I saidfore you all the way,
and I swore you all the way. You want to
know something, but I support you and I'm not even
joking you do. Seeing you this past week, I thought
one of the most special people on this earth, one
of the funniest, effortless Jen was such a hit in
such a way that I was like, yes, slay slack,

(01:15:36):
thank you for saying such a such a funny. And
everyone was like, this is the funny. It's a it's
a I y K y k situation. If you know,
you know, if you know, if you know the Pantry girls,
you know, and Matt nailed it and everyone it's one
of those things. It's like, it's satire. You're making an
observation about the world that people, you're excavating a truth

(01:15:57):
and you did that. I think my sister from the
autom of my heart and I want to say that
seeing you this week likewise was revitalizing and everyone should
watch this space on what we're working on. Okay, now,
I'm going to give us both a break because I
want to. I want to. I'm actually going to get
to drinks with Amanda Study and Rachel Witski. Oh my God,

(01:16:18):
tell him, I say, hi. I know it's like a
little popular union, but but in order to cut this up,
I actually want to sell dog. Please come back in
because this is your second time, because I have I
don't think so honey, No, you haven't. I don't think
so honey. I think we have to honor it and
do two things. You need to do your out of

(01:16:38):
think so honey, And then you need to end the
episode in a song. You need to sing it. Yes,
you need to sing, so do your I don't think
my phone, Doug bamb this is your I don't think
so honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Remixing one of the best records of all times. We're
talking about the Beatles and we're talking about Sergeant Pepper's

(01:17:01):
Lonely Heart. I do not care if it's fifty years old.
It has a place in my heart. Yes, and of
the whole world has heard this record a certain way.
You do not have any justification to fucking mix it.

(01:17:22):
I don't care if you're George Martin's son, mother, grandparents,
I don't care. You are not allowed to touch that
fucking record. West Montgomery did a cover of a song
off of that record, So you see this guy with diamonds.
It's amazing, one of the best records of all time.
You are not allowed to touch it. I'm sorry, send

(01:17:43):
me hate mail and strong and strong because people that
did it are bad people. I don't think so huge
sing you pop off like that was amazing, dog. I
loved that so much. And when Doug really goes there
with the knowledge, with the with the with the music,

(01:18:04):
it's trivia. It's not trivia cause it's not trivial. I
loved that. I want I want to hear you talk
about music all the time. I really do, Doug. We're
going to collect ourselves and as we do, can you
can you take me so I can't singing. Don't make
me sing a song. Come on, I can't sing at all.

(01:18:25):
I'm not taking an easy one happy birthday. Now you're
making me look stupid. That's a hard song. No, it
has one hard note, the third one. I can't. I
can't here. I've embarrassed myself enough. Okay, I have I
have a song. Okay, Hey, what's what do you years ago?
A day? Whoa whoa? That there we have it supported? Well,

(01:18:55):
it's because you weren't supported by Doug and including you
in this episode was a big mistake. That the way
the way you throw it us under the bus at
the end, you know what, I gotta guy drinks by you.
I love you, Doug,

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