October 25, 2023 • 57 mins
Bowen is a little sickstress this week, so he's invited Matt to his new home to record an episode of Las Cultch and contract whatever he has. Stanley cups in hand, the two discuss, well, pop cultural topics! "Such as?" you ask? Well, Chappell Roan and Troye Sivan's latest albums, RHONY, the "sweeps" TV culture of yesteryear, and an oversaturation of the espresso martini. Also, Bowen MET LADY GAGA, Matt has a haunted weekend in Long Island at the Chambers of Hell, and BOWEN MET LADY GAGA. All this, handwriting vs. typing, earnestness vs. earnesty, a live pop songwriting session, and the naming of the Actress of the Millenium. More like OCTOBER flush and OUR flannel cure (the flannel being this episode). Bye!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture ding
dong last Culturista's calling. This actually is another in the
series of recording at homes.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Recording at homes. Wonder what that's about. It's cozy, it's fall, happy,
Scorpio season, my sister.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh my gosh, we're in Bowen's house and at scorpio season.
You kind of have the floor. What do you want
to say?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I say, everyone dress in all dark colors. Everyone shoplift
a little yes, fuck your boss.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Just kidding. Don't do any of those things, especially not
wear dark clothes. Let's break that, break the pattern pattern.
I am loving dressing for the fall.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I have not heard you so clearly state your not
only distaste for summer, but love of the colder season.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It has been the highlight of my year being here
in New York City. Now, like the October flesh and
the flannel cure. November sorry, fuck well, I'm sure November
will be grade too. Untilor was right about that one.
When I got here, Bowen was playing Cruel Summer, contributing
to the number one hit.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean, I don't have to contribute anymore. I'm doing
it for my own enjoyment period.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I mean, congrats to her, by the way, ten number ones,
and later we will rank all ten number ones. Look
forward to that one later.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Brother, let's talk about my sister's huge, huge ALP musical release.
I was gonna say album released, but not yet album incoming.
I mean, let's talk about it. I have a song
with Muna that is so sligh. You know, they say
(01:45):
I can die now. I genuinely if I if I
were to be hit by let's say of us, at
least let's just say of us, I at least would
have probably in my you know, what do they call
the post mortem when they write about you and the obituary? Girl,
obituary or do you mean like the autopsy?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, well, if they cut open my body and could
see my heart, it would be a flow gratitude. Yeah,
but in my obituary it probably would read he had
a song with Muna and then I I could die now,
because I know it will say.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
In the first sentence. Yeah, period, he had a song
with Muna. Matt Rogers, age thirty three, was struck by
an energy efficient city bus.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
At least that at least at least you helped. I mean,
at least I know that while the energy that was
being used to run me over, Yeah, at least it
was clean. At least it's not going to be a
harmful I don't think you should even joke about this,
because you would be distraught if I were to get
hit by a bus out there.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh my god, No, I can't even think about this.
I would be so sad. At least it would be
durting the fall, knowe, No, no, yeah, you're right, we
can't know. I mean reader Katie's publics as finalists. I'm
genuinely so immediately sad now that I'm thinking about this.
By the way, I am not feeling my best. And
the one has what we think is an ear infection.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and I've come to his home and he's wearing
all sweats and the lights were damn. He was eating
what was it you were having Kung shu fu ramen?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There we go to the famous Chinese ramen that is
I think better than some of the Korean and Japanese stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Sorry, looks like you meant to start with that statement.
But things were feeling cozy in here, like a sick
boy was living here. So I've come over and I
of course smoked a little weed and then handed him
the joint and then I smoked at myself. So that's
how we sisters do. We get each other sick. And
you did give me COVID recently, I did, And by
(03:42):
you gave me COVID, I mean I got COVID directly
after you. It could have been the other way around.
So it was would you rather have been from someone else? No,
I'm gonna get covid. I wanted. I want at least
contracted from you. But you were doing that thing of apologizing,
and I was like, no one should ever apologize at
this point, It's out there.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I apologizing that I was around you guys that you
knew I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You knew well. You tested positive. Look to the stick
and you looked devilishly in the mirror at your reflection
and said coming to me and Sudie. And you walked
in and said, give me a hugs, sister, smiling all
the way. As I contracted the virus, the curl virus
nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You got to do a song with your favorite band.
Is that a true statement?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It is? Do you know what I was so nervous
and scared to call them up, and Brett was like, Oh,
we should FaceTime her right now. We should FaceTime Katie
right now. And I was just like I had been
through like four drafts of like a notesapp thing to
like send them, and I was like, we can't just
call and he was like, you know we can. We're
gonna do it right now, huh. And I was like okay,
(04:51):
because he's one of those people that's like such a
we're gonna do it self starter, right And I'm the
kind of person I don't know how you feel, but
I'll put her around anxiously before I do anything. Between
you and Brett.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you guys are a great team because you get
to pull the other in a direction of your choice.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Brett is Leland, by the way, who produced and
co wrote the track with me, and we called she
said yes immediately, and then she sent over the track
like pretty much the next day, and we heard her
voice on it and literally just collapsed in each other's arms.
I was like, because this is his second Moon of
feature and it was obviously my first, and I was
just like, oh my god, it just made the song
(05:31):
so much better. I'm so happy, and then she was
in the video.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Comedy performance Kick she should act the direct like it
was Chris miss right right, she killed it. She killed it,
but just that move on here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Giving pop star the whole time. It was so good
and I loved the discussion and the lead up about
what she would wear. And she she texted me and
she goes, should I just be like a slutty pop
girly version of you? I was like, yeah, yeah, you should,
that's exactly you should shop and she did. She looks unbelievable,
was so funny. She should act and made the whole
(06:06):
thing better and Jared Frieder crushed it. We co directed it.
Now talk about this part. How'd it feel to be
in the director's chair? We Love We Love because I
wrote up the treatment. So basically my two favorite music
videos of all time are Gwen Stefani Cool, which we've
talked about. I'd nause him on this podcast, definitely inspired
the video, and then also Moon five She Will Be
(06:28):
Love with Iconic Star turn by Kelly Preston. Yes, it's
like narrative in the way that I didn't know I
could do by myself. So brought Jared in and he
just like crushes. He's so good at what he does.
Jared frieda direct that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Direct that previous guest on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
If you're not familiar, He's eatened to come over again tonight.
He threatened to I can't have guests, no, only me,
so sorry. He did the Jared thing, which was I
was like, I'm going over to Bones to record the episode.
He goes, okay, I'll come. Uh huh. I was like okay,
and then he was like he looked at me, like really,
and I was like, no, but he can come another time.
I would have loved to have had him if I
(07:03):
wasn't ill. Do you know what I mean? Yes, it's
actually very sort of I'm not gonna say chic, but
it's apt of you to be sick now in the
fall time, because this is when this is when it
goes around. Girl. Look at you getting your liquids. He's
absolutely sucking down water.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
By the way, are you on these Stanley cups?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Babe? I'm a Stanley girl. I've earned money from Stanley.
They took me to Sundance. Really, girl, I speak for Stanley.
I have a partner. I had no idea girl, get
in on this with me. Are you obsessed. First of all,
they set me their sixty four ounce cup that is
all the water you need in a day. And I'm
looking over there and there is clearly whatever is in
(07:45):
that huge canister is all you would need in today
is all I would need a day. And you want
to know something, I drink more period because you get
excited to drink it because you what feel like a
Stanley girl? Can I tell you what I wanted to
say when you and Sudy were talking about the but
and I love that for you who had those huge,
huge bottles, the sixty four rounds bottles that had like
(08:06):
the markers and the little like stupid little pep talks
on the side. What what were you wanted to say
to us celest.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sarah and I got them at the office. Yes, tried
it for a week. We were both like, this isn't fun.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh why because it's like it feels like a chore.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It feels like a chore aesthetically those bottles are discussed
to know, no, and like I don't need to be
like patronized, infantilized by this fucking water bottle with its words.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And then when this came mm hmm, I thought Wow, yeah,
like this is I'm sorry. I'm all about the style,
and this has the style. It will never go out
of style. It's classic, it's clean. I know you love
that logo. It's a gorgeous logo and I bear with
the wings. It's exciting to see you so immediately taken
(08:53):
by an enthusiastic about a logo on a fond because
that's how I know the product is top notched, because you,
my sister, have a discerning eye when it comes to that.
I just want kind of can you head it to me?
Can I just look at it and hold it?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Stanley not not sponsored by the way.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Unpaid, unpaid. Look at that Gorgia. Hear her saying, this
is sounds of Staley. Oh, this sounds of Stalica. Oh
more to come later. That one is gonna become a
full bop. Wait what it calls? What this song? Which song?
(09:32):
My song? This is the sound of the song. This
is the sound of the Staley cup. I think we're
gonna find it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
My god, I think you have like a Paul Diamond
Graceland ESK album.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And you you are too kind to me. What are
you gonna do next? Handy twenty thousand dollars or just mine.
This one is too good to me. I literally, I
am so happy to see you enjoying the stand life.
It makes me so It looks so pathetic and sick
right now. You don't look like you could take on
the world, but I'm here with you. Describe my posture.
(10:06):
I'm like, shoulders, you look like someone in a rom
com who gets broken up with you. Look like Diane
Lane In like before she starts to like take her
own life by the balls. You know what I mean.
Like it's giving Gracie heart Not yet, Gracie Lufrey Bush right,
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Not in like I look like I look like a
fucking butch FBI agent in the form of Sandra Bulla.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You really do, Honestly, this is giving I'm off due
to FBI.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know what I always loved Miss Congeniality is that
scene that you see her go home, like in the beginning,
in the first time, where you see her go home.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
To a shithole, to a shithole.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
She takes out a TV dinner, pokes holes in it
with her fork, puts in the microwave, punches a little
punching bag, and sleeps in her shitty disgustings.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And her hair is like massy.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I say, filming I'm getting home scenes must be very difficult.
I have not had to do that, girl.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think it would be easy, because you know, all
you have to do is channel how tired you are.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I think it's so hard to like fake familiarity.
And this is just what I'm thinking, Like it's like, Okay,
I need to spend at least four days on this
apartment set, yeah, before we roll, because I need to.
I need to make this feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You need to marry in the atmosphere. You're actually making
an incredible point about that scene. And I know she
is and I had never really thought of this before,
but she is not discovering at all. She is totally
at home. There is no doubt that that shit box
is her apartment. She is at home there. This is
(11:41):
why Sandra Bullock is being given the award that she's
being given today by us, which is Sandra Bullock, you
are the Actress of the Millennium.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You will be awarding and honoring you at next year's
Last Cultures Culture Awards.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Be there, Sandra, you are the Actress of the Millennium.
And this is a developing story.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The way that woman carries herself. Oh yeah, what an
honor to be alive at the same time she is.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Babe. Let me tell you something. One word that doesn't
get said enough in this context. Gravity Gravity. We talked
about gravity all the time. Things might be falling down,
things might be falling down all around us. But I
want to hear the word gravity use more in context
with this film. Yes, it should be the number one
thing when you search gravity in Wikipedia. Should be this
(12:33):
film and her performance, not what happens when you drop
something from the air.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I want the tiktoks to be not about you know,
it's not like a video of some woman and then
it says gravity. Be like, yeah, woman goes, that's right,
put down for real, for real, real, for real if
you know you now. But I think that's one of
the funniest memes ever.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Men, not us being on this podcast being like, you
know what we're gonna talk about and spend energy on
memes and the Stanley Girl. I did not expect this
going on. Katies are eating this week. I have I
have an earth shattering and I don't think so, honey,
you do, yes, stay tuned to think that is still
(13:24):
to come, and we're gonna rank the tailor swift number
one hits. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You literally don't know what's coming for you, all of you.
I'm looking at my sister. You don't know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's like Sweeps. It's like November Sweep and it's like
the trailers leading up to like a big moment. You
will never be the same.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I will I miss sweeps and sweeps culture. We wouldn't
have gone code black.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If a word for sweeps, there would not be any
of the most memorable episodes of any of these shows
had it not been for Sweeps. And that is sweeps culture.
Sweeps culture was TV culture, and that's rule of culture
Umber six. Sweeps culture was TV culture. I think.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I said this recently and it's staying with me. And
I hate to talk about work, but like you know,
I was doing like final interviews for Dix and then
like people were asking me, like, oh my god, what
was Travis and Taylor like when they came Yesta No,
And my answer was like, you know what, it reminds
me that like live TV, lets you do things like that, Yeah,
and like really surprise people and like and I said,
(14:28):
quite literally, streaming could.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Never Yeah, you know what I mean, literally could never work.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So is it so crazy? I don't even watch Love
Is Blind anymore. But the fact that they couldn't get
that Live finale right, that Ritian right is so embarrassing.
I know it's been like a couple of years at
this point, or like a year and a half. That
is a huge embarrassment for Netflix. Oh yeah, anyway, not
to be.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, I mean, like I think, and also not for nothing,
but you know what would have been a huge moment
if we had sweeps culture even like event dies television
culture anymore. The Aiden thing on and just like that
wouldn't have been really, the Samantha thing, this thing wouldn't
have been really And then those would have been moments
and we can never get those. No, it's sad, It's
(15:08):
really sad.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, no, we're genuinely like, if I think too hard
about it, I'm like, I cry why hard?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
First of all, can I say you literally, also, you
took a fall, You took a tumble, bo went hurt
his shoulder, and the circumstances, the circumstances are not necessarily important,
but he took a fall. I took a fall at work.
Let's just say that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Let's just say there was a sketch where there's pandemonium
going on in the background and I was told to
run away and check Molly Carney in the shoulder, and
guess what happened. I spun into a fall.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You ever hear that done into a fall? Like I
was a damn fucking pinwheel? You know what? Though, at
least like if it had gone really wrong, yeah, I
could have gone much worse. The headline would have been
Bowen Yang spills into fall in your cell face all
for SNL sketch, mostly background role. I don't mind that. No,
(16:16):
I know there are no small parts. There are no
small parts. You say that every single day you call
me like, and you somehow work into every every conversation
we have, every single one. You say you know there's
no small part. I don't know. It applies to a
lot I I do incorporate into every conversation we have. Listen,
was there anything you want to say on this podcast
(16:38):
about the after party and the experience of being around
Lady Gaga? Because we said it in our ninety two
Street and why but we do not say here? Do
you want to tell the readers about something that happened
momentous in your life.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was a momentous. I haven't even really processed it.
We even talked about this exact scenario a few episodes ago. Yes,
this is me meeting the person that I cannot imagine
meeting because I don't know how I would behave meeting.
And interestingly, right now I know. So we're at the
(17:15):
meeting between Dress and Air. We're on the studio floor.
It's like two three hundred people who work there, all
listening to Lauren talk about the sketches that are making
it to air. Mine got cut, no problem. I was
totally fine with it. Actually, I was like, you know what,
I don't need to have a little thing in this.
This is such a strong show for other people. It's
an amazing show overall. Anyway, lor goes and Lady Gaga
(17:39):
will be introducing the first song, and then I screamed,
in my baggiest moment in my entire time working there.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Lady Gaga. Everyone gassed, giggled, screamed.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Lurne was like, well, she's not the Lady Gaga, She's
Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Was like, I think he was just trying to you
know what.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Lauren loves to be a little little zinger.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
He was like, she's not do Larry to Gars. Larry
Gar like basically say, I'm like, yeah, she's a normal girl.
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think he was trying to like he was telling me, like,
you're saying, Bowen, calm down, up, he's Meryl streetened out.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
He was saying, he's streeting. Sorry, go ahead, No, that's
and then later later I have doubts, no girl later
in the night when you met the girl, I thought
he was saying, later later in the movie, what else
was another line and say the rest of us, friend
(18:42):
have to set doubts. Later she comes out, she introduces
bad buddy.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
She said, wait, are never yorco The reason why she
did that is very clever and I can't really get
into it. Yeah, but the reason she did that is genius.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Anyway, we go to the after party. Matt and I
actually saw Titanice once with Bobby Campbell, her amazing, incredible manager,
he's so lovely, and his partner Robert, and then Bobby
grabs me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, actually Bobby did not grab me. Was Robert who
grabs me. Robert's like, you have to meet Stephanie. I said,
oh no, I literally was like, no, no response, No
true your response.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was like, oh no, that's okay. I really can't.
I wasn't even gawking at her, like she was sitting
in my eyeline, like from my table. I was like,
I can't look at her. I can't like I can
acknowledge that she's here. I just this is really overwhelming.
But then Robert dragged me over in the nicest ways.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I will, but then.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I feel like I feel that feeling she was deep
in conversation with someone else, and then she says hello.
She says it's so nice to meet you, and she
says you're so funny. I think she just like knew
me as a cast member, but.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, didn't really. She doesn't know that you stand, so.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
She doesn't know that I stand. So I don't think
she has ever clocked me being on the show other
than that night. She had no idea what I was about.
In terms of her, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
She lives on Chromatica and she's been she's been Harley
Quinn for about a year and a half, so she's
been Lee Lee, Sorry Lee. And I immediately launched to
the story that I told earlier about Lourene and I said,
oh my god, Gaga, my faggiest moment in my time
working here, my six years working here, five years whatever.
Basically told her that story, and I screamed to her
(20:35):
face in a crowded restaurant, and I screamed, Lady Gotta.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
She kind of like gasped a little and then like
kind of like looked around the restaurant in a way
that like wasn't she was being polite, she wasn't making
it so conspicuous, but like I definitely felt self conscious,
Like I was like, oh no, she giggled through it,
was nervously laughing through it. But I was like, oh,
I've actually made her uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You know what? Can I say? Yeah, that is good.
You made Lady Gaga uncomfortable. This woman turned into other people. Okay,
she is Lady Gogga who came down like a spider
into the super Bowl. She is Lady Gaga, Patrizia Tria,
and she was shook by something that you did. Girl,
(21:20):
the way you are one of the most legendary icons.
You shook Gaga, shook Gaga. That's true. I didn't think
of it that way. The title of that Gaga Shook.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Goga Shook I was Gaga shook in that moment, Gaga shook.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I think it should be you shook Gaga. You shook Gaga.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I didn't physically shake. I did not touch her besides
like a hug, and that was it. Yeah, that's good
that you made that clear. Well, so I guess the
first moment was technically good nights when I hugged her
and that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh so that was literally the first moment you hugged her?
And then what were you thinking? What was happening?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I was like that experience that what just happened is
on a lightning fast conveyor belt.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Let it go, don't grab it, don't think about it. Okay, okay,
I don't think that counts. No.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So then at the after party I sit next to
her at our table for like fifteen minutes this she's
literally fully turned the other way, like talking to someone else.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But I was talking to.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Bobby and Roberts, and gosh, that was it. I was like, there,
I apologized her. I was like, I fully embarrassed her earlier.
She's like, no, you didn't, So I was like, oh, youkees,
that could have gone better.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Listen, the rest is still unwritten. I think it's actually
one of the most beautiful lines in a song. I
think that there is a great future, and I think
that what you have done is you've both shaken and
you've shaken her, but humanized yourself. And it's because you
showed up honestly that night. Yes, my sister only shows
up as herself. She deserves zaccolades. That would never happen
(22:46):
with anyone else in the world. Do you know? We
were supposed to be there, and Dave was kicking himself,
but we did have a fun time because his two
favorite artists are in fact Bad Bunny and Lady Kaka.
We were out of Long Island, were a fall Dad.
Guys had a gorgeous fall day. We went to go
see my parents. We we lost the family dog, Bailey,
(23:08):
so that was a rough one for Richie and Trina
and you know, put the lighters in the air for Bailey,
who was fourteen and a half. She was a queen.
She was a queen and a legend. But reaching out
to anyone out there that goes through like the loss
of a pet, because it is tough. But we went
out to see them. I took house Jared, Dave and
Dave and we went out and we had Pumpkin Beers
(23:31):
girl and you know I crave him. And then we
went to a hunted escape room them to the film
it on Long Island. Did you go into the damn sewer? Honey?
What happened was we basically wore up in the sewer,
and up in the sewer, little boy's jacket, his yellow
jacket was there, covered in blood. It was a hard
escape room and there was a live actor no as
(23:54):
penny Wise, No no, so as if that wasn't enough terror.
And yes we did get out with I think seven man.
It's the spare we got out penny Wise. Yeah, yeah, hon,
they were han, I'm not getting solving no puzzle when
penny Wise is a foot away from me, one of
film's scariest monsters and a front runner for that category
(24:17):
next year at the last Culture Races Culture Awards, because
penny Wise has been under rewarded at that ceremony and
it's time that we take accountability.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Year three were breaking the terrible standards we've set for ourselves.
In years one and two.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The standards from before are no longer. The standards. The
lost Culture is to Culture Awards are a dusty, stodgy institution,
used up, used up. We know it's rigged. It's time
we change it. I have a feeling that if a
celebrity says they're going to be on the show, they win.
What do you mean I think it's fixed. I think
(24:52):
that Matt and Bowen fix it. I think that they
wait to see if a celebrities like I think that.
Do you think that they would have give Ariana Matter
the Coolest Girl Award if Ariana Grande had said that
she would show up, what would they have done? Then
that's hard fake. That's both of them. I hate them,
Matton Bowen, I hate them. They're so annoying faggots. They're
(25:16):
such friends. Where did we drift from? Oh? The Fall Day?
So then after the Escape Room we went to in Hoppog,
Long Island, New York. It was rated thirty ninth out
of all haunted attractions in the country, number one in
New York. The Chambers of Hell, Girl, the Chambers of Hell?
(25:37):
Who did you see?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Girl?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Beelzebub basically her and a lot of her friends that
are no fun to be around. Sweetie the Incubi, the
Sucuby for everyone saying that I was skipping right to
Christmas I want you to know I went to the
Chambers of Hell for you so that I wouldn't skip Sorry,
but y'all's favorite holiday. I went into the Chambers of Hell.
(26:01):
I'm not even kidding you. I've never experienced a walk
through haunted house like this. There was a point oh no,
where we had to get on our hands and knees
and crawl under shit. Then I had to climb up
in like literally this it's like crawl spaces. The actors
are dressed down, they're jumping, they're screaming, they're carrying on,
(26:22):
playing for team too much, chasing it's hell, girl. It
was the Chambers of Hell, and there were three of them.
This was a forty minute experience what we were so shook.
I swear to god, you were having a heart attack throughout. Kudos.
Can I bang the standing lay to them? Let's just
(26:43):
play the Stanley song for all the girls in the
Chambers of El and Hotbog. We were so shook we
had to eat. We went to Patricia's on Long Island.
It's an Italian restaurant where it's a party all like
a damn party. I swear to god. They were serving
towers espress on martinis with sparklers on the top, and
(27:08):
I said team too much. It was World champions. Yeah,
watch out, Well I can think Whitney is more team
too much this season. Oh yeah, Whitney's. But anyways, so
then we eat this vicious Italian meal, get them the
Long Island Railroad. We are full of cheese. I wake
up in the morning and at that point I was
(27:30):
not making it to snl. I wasn't taking my full
of cheese body to go like, you know, wink at
bad Bunny from across the room. Right, you know what
I'm saying. Totally, But we wish we could have been
there with you, beloved.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It would have been such a fun shared moment. But
it was a nice night.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And we missed John on the island to slurping back
pumpkin beers. Oh I wish I was.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I have not See The thing about this job is
I have not had a nice proper fall get away
in so long.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I know that. Remember that year we went to Tarry
Oh my god, of course that was revolutionary. And I
mean we did the sleepy holl of Haunted House. That
was so much fun. That was a little too Here's
what I loved about this hunted house. That one was
really crowded, and the crowd it was like you could
barely move the records. It got backed up. This one
they were doing like crowd control wo so that you
were really in every room by yourself with your party.
(28:19):
And I was like, give it up for production.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I get producing literally is thinking about the experience.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
MetLife Stadium should talk to them about moving people through
a space.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
There is no hope there and listen, no y'all listening.
If you live in the Tri State area. It's just
it's the worthiest investment ever to just get the party bus. Honey, honey,
that is the best money you will have ever spent.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Go online, find a bunch of people who are going,
especially if it's one of these big artists. You know,
there's big fan communities where you'd want to carpool and
go in on one of these buses. You can get
in and out and.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Then they guess what, they get to stay in the
parking lot for the entire show, and then you just
go back to where you came from. And then these
huge vehicles plow through.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
The lines that are leaving zee. It's beautiful, beautiful, big
and bold is how you feel when you roll up
in the automobile. That's big. That one doesn't work as
well as a lot of my other songs. I disagree
with something about it in the beginning, and then I
(29:25):
don't know, girl, that's how you feel in the automobile.
That's how you feel in the automobile. There's something there.
Oh yeah, what if we just did a gem sash?
What if you and I just wrote a fucking pop banger? Okay, okay,
we'll do it. Well, what's what mood are you in
right now?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm so awful and you feel awful because you're sick.
But I'm here with my friends, so maybe it's a
song about that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think that's definitely part of the texture. But like,
I feel like your emotion right now is like, yeah,
you know it's gonna be okay, but you really don't
feel good. And what do you think is the tempo?
If you could musically express how you feel? Mm hmm,
this is wonderful. And now just.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Oh, I have headache, but I'm with my girl, so
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Another day in this world. Wait, this is good. Okay,
I have a head It's sort of like rolling in
the deep. Oh my God, I have headache, but I'm
with my girl, trying to hate it another day in
this world. This is good, this song that is driving
(30:48):
through it keeping things are bad, like you know what
I mean? Like its helpless. It's a really hopeless song.
It is about rising up to do the podcast episode.
That's what it's about. It's about I know I'm sick,
but we need an episode this week. Right. I'm not
gonna let this stop me from doing my job and
(31:08):
get into the day. And that's what makes the song
connect to anyone listening. I will not let my circumstances
stop me from getting through this day. You will not
hold me down. Katie Perry needs to sing this. Katie.
It's Katie. We'll see you on your next album. Can
my label mate Capital Girl. That'll be easy to get
it over to her. Yeah? Is that how it works?
(31:31):
I think that it would be a lot easier to
work for someone on the same label. Yeah. Yeah, Troy
Sevon my label mate, let's discuss her.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think this album is so sublime. I mean, it's
certainly this era of Troy just well done. A plus, confident,
comfortable songwriting, amazing production and swings. Swings the music videos
are unforgettable. Yeah, it feels like I'm in the damn
(32:10):
early odds.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah. The whole album, I mean, Honey is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Honey is so good. I think it's called how to
Stay with You? The closing track.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, what time is it where you are? I mean, like,
what time is it where you are? Wow, that has
gotten I've contributed to half of those plays. Yeah. I
think she's racking up streams and that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Still, God, it is so good. Yeah, Oh silly got
me started. Yeah, it's all great.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And shout out to Brett Leland, who's like so fucking good.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So good, I mean, excellent album. We I think people
have been chomping at the bit for us to talk
about this album that we've been hyping for months and months.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Oh Chapel, Yeah, absolutely. We went to go see here
at Brooklyn Steel too.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I saw both the night you in Brooklyn and I
did not plan to and I have no regrets.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, I mean that show was fucking fun. And also
it's just I called it when I saw her back
earlier in the year. Her following it was twice as
intense as it was then, and it's gonna keep growing
like this girl puts on a fun fucking show and
all of the songs translate live in a really powerful way.
(33:18):
No kidding.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They hit on Tuesdays with people from work and they
get to go to these concerts for free and stuff
because they sometimes they handle some of the bookings.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And one girl turns to me and goes, she's special. Yeah.
I was like, yes, oh my god, you connected the
bookers of SNL to her show. That's made shows. I mean,
that's not me like.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
On Saturday Live, like t went on an SNL or
when when like I'm gonna say, like Marin Morris, when
a SNL. It's like I love when SNL has like
a discovery oh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Back in the day, Like you could argue, we've discussed
it on this pod, but like you could argue, Adele
became Adele because of her Saturday Night Live perform when
she did Chasing Pavements the same night. I believe that
it was like the second time Tina fe was doing
Sarah Pale.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It was Josh Brolin and yeah, right, it was when
Sarah Palin herself showed up.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh that one, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And Adele has a funny story where she sees Sarah
Palin in the hall and she goes.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Tana, Yeah, like she thought that is you're saying that? Yeah, Like,
remember she won Best at the Grammys and that was
Grammy voting time, I think, and like it was literally
like that election year where everyone's eyes were turned to
and then I remember, like she even says that she's
like now and she she kind of says like that
(34:43):
in that same exact voice I just did. That is
an amazing impression. The fact that I lost control of
my adele. I'm worthless. I should walk into the street
and you think it's a requirement that you have in
adele impression. It's the easiest accent to do in the world,
and I'm world famous for it. You know what Cockney
break it down?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it's like, you know how when you ask British
people to do an American accent, or when you see
a British person like an actor.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yea, and they go hi, y'all, hey, y'all, they go
into like the most regionally chaotic Southern accent. You guys
are so fucking chaotic. O We're in the UK, dude.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I feel like the equivalent for us is doing Coffney
like that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I want one hundred percent I know what you mean.
So it's like it's a very delicate accent to nail.
So I'm sorry to Adele, and I'm sorry to myself
for being so hard on myself about my adel and
my therapist to be proud of me for saying apologizing
to myself.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Did she say recently, just another way to be cruel
to yourself? Said, I love this, by the way I
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, totally. I mean I was beating up on myself
about I think I was nervous about the music coming up,
of course, and I was nervous about the music videos, which,
by the way, I'm so thrilled. Wasn't happy to do it,
and everything has been incredible, but I stress out and
I beat myself up, and she was just listening to me,
and she just takes a beat, and my therapist just
goes another way for you to be cruel to yourself,
(36:07):
And I was like, oh, And then I actually laughed
because I was like, when you put it like that,
it makes it sound almost like when it's so easily
clocked by someone else, You're like, now it just feels like, well, now,
that you'm boring and annoying for me to be like,
it's beyond self awareness and it's like someone calling your therapist,
calling you in and so that now you know, it's
like in this external awareness that other people can clock it.
(36:30):
She just texted me your therapist. Yes, Oh my god,
do we have a psychic connection? Oh? I asked for
an emergency session this week and she just I said,
she said nothing yet, Oh no, are you? Are you okay?
Everything's fine? I think okay. Just to be totally real, like,
there was more attached to that song I just released
than just like it's a funny song, you know what
(36:51):
I mean, Like, yeah, I wrote that like sort of
to deal with what I was going through earlier in
the year. So I had a degree of anxiety about
it coming out, and when it came out and it
just brought things up. So I reached out to the
old therapist. It was the first time I ever like did.
I think probably with you with Fire Island, you may
have felt this way, but like it's the first time
(37:12):
you feel like you give a little part of yourself
into a thing, because usually we just usually do like
sketches and characters and silly songs and stuff, and then
all of a sudden you actually show up in something
and it's like it's different, it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, And I can't imagine what this feels like, because
would you say, this is the first thing you've put
out that has a significant degree of like, oh, this
is funny, yes, but like very me very diaristic, very.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like it's the first thing I've successfully wrote about my
own pain. Oh, it's like and that that actually feels
like so cool, really cool, because I remember, like I
don't know how you feel. But sometimes I feel like
the kind of writer that feels lame because I never
can really put on paper what I'm going through emotionally.
I can be funny and I can like explore like
comedic scenarios, but I've just never been good at like using,
(38:06):
for lack of better term, like taking my broken heart
and making it into art like that. It's not a
thing for me. It's I usually create from joy. And
I think when you are sad that makes it even
more frustrating because you're like, why do I feel all
these big fucking emotions and I can't do anything with
them now? I feel pathetic. And then I'd bet a
shit out of myself because it feels like, yeah, sure,
(38:29):
like comedy is one thing, but then actually saying how
I feel. It's sometimes harder to funnel that into the
comedy without feeling you're trying too hard or you know,
getting in your own way.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, but you feel some obligation to be like
in that moment, to be like creative, generative, whatever when
you're feeling sad.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and you can't, and that's frustrated you can't. So
this was the first time I ever successfully ended up
with something where I was like, I believe that says
something about what I went through. And also I stand
by comedically and as a song well comedic.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
The comedy of it is so inseparable from the emotion
of it, which is like, Wow, I felt so many
things with you, the person you're saying to in the song,
but I don't really know that much about you, which
is such I'm gonna go as far as to say
that like it's a universal feeling and Yeh've all had
those people.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, it's about that thing that feels so big but
occupies such a moment, you know what I mean, And
then all of a sudden time does its thing where
you like literally start to forget, and there is something
funny about that, like like when a star explodes, like
a big bang of emotion and then everything just starts
to sort of settle, and then you're like, oh, wow,
(39:39):
I went through that, and I can't really say much
specifically about it because time just starts to do that
thing that they say is gonna make things better. But
then there's also something sad about it too, because you're like,
oh man, the specificity of it is going away. That's
also part of the heartbreak. So I guess that's like
the best distillation of how I'm feeling. How I feel
(40:02):
about the whole thing is that, Like it's worthy of
a song, but I've truly I can't say much specifically
about it. Yeah, but that thing makes the song right,
And that's really incredible that you took it a meta
layer above that and then you're like, this is what
the song that's about. It's excellent. It feels good to
(40:23):
create something that you think like says something about how
you feel. You know what I mean? Like that is girl,
when we get our.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Pens to paper, you know what, I can't quite tell
where I'm at in terms of talking about my own emotions.
I will say when I'm in therapy and I I
go off, I'm like, well, I should be writing every
word of this time because I'm writing a fucking I'm
writing like Jerry Maguire the movie too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know what I mean. You should be journaling. I
should be journal my journaling. It helps well.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I go back to meet some of my entries from
like last year, and I'm like, today was fine, went
to the gym, had a smoothie.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I'm like, this is so boding. Then maybe there's something
there and make fun of yourself like that. I mean, honestly,
that's kind of what ultimately everything you want song is
is like I literally sat down to like do this
earnest exercise of like what do I wish him for Christmas?
This year? I couldn't remember shit, and I was like, Okay, well,
I'm gonna drag myself. Wow, you know what I mean,
(41:22):
Like there's something. I think. It's just like you literally
just write those things down, not so that like it
can be something in the moment, but so that you
can have a reaction to it later. That's I think
something about writing I didn't realize or remember, but is something.
Writing is so hard. It's hard, Yeah, very difficult, especially
(41:43):
when you train yourself to think in a short form
again and again and again.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I would imagine, Well, I am always like so paralyzed
whenever the season's off at SNL. I'm like, I think
my creative process is a writing process at least is
like purely sight specific.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Like you're just you just feel like it's now when
you think writing, you think that type of specific.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Which I really need to start like untangling, because it's
like I can't be locked into this. I cannot have
the paralysis around this, around anything else because I'm always
used to this one way of posturing myself. But I'm
excited to work on longer form things in the future woo.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But also LOLBB, I'm like, you know what you should
do in journal? Like sorry, but as if I journal, Yeah,
I have journal, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I hit a plateau with it, like over the summer.
I was like, this isn't really helping me.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Mm hmm. So I have been off of that ah
and it's been fine. Well, you're spinning yourself out. It
just felt like I made.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It feel like such a chore because it was on
like my checklist of things to do every day.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And I always came with such a weird attitude around.
I was like, this is compulsory, like I don't really
want to do this. Instead that kind of like it's
just waste of time.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Time. Can I ask you a question? Were you typing it?
Typing it? You have to write it and then it
will feel so much easier and actually more fun. And
when you feel like you have to sit down and
type something, I think there's this message you sent to yourself,
which is it has to be a thing and long.
Right now. I never think I can just like jot
something down typing, But when I write, I can write
just like a couple sentences down and then put it
(43:17):
down and then news for you when you add to
that later you are writing something totally or you're just
collecting whatever it is. But like your process, I think,
take it out of the computer, girl, Where do you
think you go to the damn notebook with a pen? Girl?
You want to do? I don't think so, honey, And
you know it is time. I'm so sorry. I'm feeling
(43:40):
really sick. The first thing we have to do before
we do that, because we promised is rank Taylor Swift's
top ten number ones, and I'm going to do it
really quickly so you don't have to because you're going
to agree with me when I say it. Number one
is all too well ten minute version. Number two is
plank Space. Number three is cruel Summer. Number four is Willow.
Number five is look what you made me do. Number
(44:00):
six you've already done. This is we are never ever
getting back together. Number seven is you think that's worse
than Look what you made me do? Oh after the movie?
You rank it about that? Yeah? Sorry? Number seven is
stop you're losing me. That's not me saying that one,
but I'm losing What it is, it's we should know that,
(44:21):
go shake it off, Shake it off. Then it's bad Blood.
Then it's Cardigan. That's only nine. I'm forgetting one, but
that's okay. I think you got all of them. No
I didn't because I only had nine fingers raised anti
hero anti hero? Okay, then put anti hero in between
(44:43):
look what you made me do? And you're never getting
back together and we're never ever going that low. I
think that. I think that's one of her most incredible songs.
It's better than all too well ten and version blank Space,
Cruel Summer and then what did you do between Cruel
Summer and Willow? But that's personal to me. Oh, I
do love Willow. Willow is that girl. And when she
(45:04):
came out with those orbs and said, wait for this signal,
n O me you after dark, I'm gonna put that
below will I'm gonna put anty here below Willow better
than Look what do you mean me do? Is that
the ranking? You have seen the Aerostor movie. I know
you have, and you still want to do that. You
(45:26):
still won't Look what you made me do to be
that loud after you saw the Aerostar movie and you
saw the slagage and the carnage pop carnage.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think that's an amazing production moment in the concert.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I respect your sister, sister, And do you understand what
I'm saying I do now? Honest? Are we ranking them
by song quality? Girl? Yes? And I understand now I
think I do.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I admire Look what Jimimi do because it is such
a swing and she was like, bucket, this is my
first single. It's I'm basically doing right, said Fred unto Sexy,
who fucking cares? I think that's actually so so amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
It's literally so amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Like I'm one of the best songwriters. I'm the best
songwriter my generation. I'm putting this fucking crazy ass song
out there.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, for my like No Press Vengeance album, Don't Talk
to Me album, Taylor, Way to Go, Way to Go.
This is I don't think so Honey. It's where we
take one minute to rants rail and more against something
(46:30):
in Colaster that we absolutely want to drag, discredit and more.
I have something that is actually based on my evening
at Patrizia's. It references something that I discussed earlier, and
I think this one's going to be tough, especially for
the katies. But I have to say this because I
feel it. Oh oh, this is Matt Ronders. I don't
think so Honey as ten starts now, I don't think
so Honey Espressomarzini's. I'm sorry. I think that the moment
(46:53):
burnt bright. Yeah, but I think that moment has passed.
I think that it's now gotten out of control because
I don't think so Honey, an espresso martini before your
meal unless that meal is gonna be like also some
kind of dessert. You are absolutely ruining your palette. I
don't think so, honey, that you can really enjoy, like,
for example, at an Italian place like chicken parmesan after
(47:17):
an espresso martini. I'm sorry, I don't think so, honey.
I want to throw up when I think about that combination.
And you will see these girls sucking down espresso martinis
with meals and ruining their dinners. Meanwhile, post dinner. Fine,
but as a cultural moment, we've moved on from just
(47:37):
post dinner drinks. And also, you can't use it in
the place of a red Bull anymore. I don't think so, honey,
because culturally now we're confused. We've let espresso martini go
too far. It's time to go back to Redville. And
if you're this type of girl, cocaine, I don't think
so amazing now.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I want to say that, don't do cocaine. Don't do
cocaine like an espresso. This peaked an amazing but it
is no crashing.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I don't really know what's set.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You're saying that we as a culture have moved on
from post dinner drinks.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
No, I'm saying we as a culture can't handle espressal martini.
This is why we can't have nice things because they've
moved too far beyond being a post dinner drink to
like give us a second win, like now culturally, like
I see them at all hours of the day. And
also there's this crazy thing happening and Jessel, I love
(48:29):
you girl. But earlier in the season of Rony, my Girl,
My Diva, Jessel tank, I am a tank top. She
ordered a espresso martini with tequila. Oh, I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
That was when I didn't really wasn't a big fan
of hers anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
And now I look back and I'm like, go off,
queen with your weird ass cocktail. But no, no, no, no, no, no,
we can't be trusted with this anymore. We can't. Did
you watch the Me Union last name? I have to
tell you I didn't, but I will. But I heard
that it was boring, and that's making it hard to like.
It's only in two parts. It's only in two parts,
and the first part, you would say, was kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Pretty boring, although there are interesting dynamics happening where you
can clearly see it's so obvious that Si and Aaron
have come into that union being like a week came
off really bad. Yeah, but then Sigh of course is
fucking insufferable and does this thing where she's like, I'm
taking full accountability and I'm sorry Brandon for what I
said to you, and I'm sorry Jessel for what I said.
(49:27):
Blah blah blah, I'm sorry. I'm taking full accountability. And
then the within her next breath is like, but also
like I was right, and your husband's cheating on you
and blah blah blah, no one suffered more than me
all this shit. Aaron does the same thing. She has
a tearful moment out of nowhere about being the older sister,
the eldest sister. Fucking Jenna starts sobbing ten minutes and
(49:51):
it was a weird one.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
But I heard Uba was kind of acting. Uba was
misunderstanding things. I did not understand what.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
But to bring to that scenario was like totally derailing
a conversation that Andy was starting and where like everyone
would be like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it
was not great, and then it ends with sign Jessel
and then like Jessel came off great, Andessel is a
great moment where.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, she looks good next to Andy, he looks.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Good next to Andy, but then sigh in one of
her like you know moments. Her her words silence was like,
I apologize. I should have never commented on your marriage.
I don't think you and your husband have a connection,
but I should never comment on someone's ma And the
JUSTL was like, you just did.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
And but the way Jessell does it is like, well
you're fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
It was great. I think Justll clear winner, I shouldn't
have said anything. I apologize for saying so. I don't.
I don't think you and your husband have a connection,
but I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said anything. But I
don't think you and your husband have a connection. But
I shouldn't be commenting on your marriage. Well you just did.
Can I ask? What do you think it is about
(50:57):
Sy that stops her from being a villain we love
and is making her more of a villain that we're irritated?
Not funny?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
She actually Hunter Harris is actually talking about this in
her substack. Like Brandon and Jenna have style, Cy has brands. Yes,
I doesn't really. I don't think she like knows how
to dress herself.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I will say I think she always looks amazing, But
you're right, it might be for the reasons you're saying,
because I think that there's a lack of like individuality
in what she brings.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
And well, she was harping on the same things all season.
The food, Yeah, her mother, which is of course the
tragic thing, but like constantly bringing it up as a
way to like put down other people, so bizarre.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I wonder if she feels really embarrassed about the food thing.
I'm sure because it's really it got really diring.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well, you can tell that she is someone who embarrassment
is adjoined to anger, Like when she like in the
finale and she.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Was like lash out, like she lashes out when.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
She when she's been caught in something, she fucking explodes,
And you're like, yikes, that is not something that anyone
likes to see on TV from any gender, you know
what I mean. I don't think it's like a oh
or she's a woman, she's not a lot to be angry.
She's a woman of color. I think it literally is
something that like that's not fun on reality television.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I think it just needs to feel like justified and
it's just she got so here's my thing. I literally
I don't even dislike her. I think they're all figuring out.
I don't know why I have like a compassion for
this cast. Maybe it's because I'm doing their Bravo Con
panel and I'm really trying to because I'm no, I
think what it is it's not even about fair is.
(52:34):
I'm just really trying to see the best in all
of them. That's because I'm trying not to make a
decision about one of them before I like go into
this thing where I have to like, you know, talk
with all of them, et cetera. But I will say
it is tough with side because it's that thing of
like her behavior just isn't very grounded. Yeah, and I
just you know, it could be the editing, but like
(52:56):
it's just you can't really fake it. That's such a
rooky move.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah, for her, It's both sign Aaron being on, like
the Bravo Instagram commenting being like stay tuned for the
beginning and the editing did as dirty blah blah blah,
and then like people dragging them in the Yeah, I
had to get in there and be like, girl, you're
not cut out for this. I really don't think Aaron
is cut out for reality television.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
She seems very sensitive in a way where it's like
it's fine, it's not like a yeah, it's just sensitive.
If you're able to dish it out, you have to
be able to take it. And it seems like taking
it for her means like full meltdown in a way
where it's like, Okay, cute. We can watch that, for sure,
we can adjust to that. I just it's not clear
at the end of it, like and I think their
first season and second season, for better or worse are
(53:41):
going to be very different because these women now have
been in the machine and the cooker, which is why
I don't think we should get rid of any of them.
I think I'm gonna double down on this. We keep
them all and bring in Leah. I think that is
the best move, if Lee even wants to do it right.
But start the campaign anyway. Espresso Martini's I'm just noticing
it's excess, That's all I'm saying. Bowen, do you haven't?
(54:04):
I don't think so any topic, Yes you do. You
said it was going to be a barn burner, and
this is the moment we've all been waiting for. Bowen
Yang your I don't think so honey, time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. The word earnestness. Why aren't
you earnesty? Why aren't you earnesty? The English language is
(54:24):
a lie, y'all. We are breaking the lang. I just
broke the language. Earnesty is not a word, but it
should be right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
It's not honestness, it's honesty, and honesty is the word
that is the most important, not earnest ness, and therefore
honesty should set the model for earnesty. We need to
write legislation to make earnesty a word in America at least.
I don't want to speak for other countries, for other
countries that speak English, but in America it should be earnesty.
(54:53):
That is something that we can all get behind. It's
a bipartisan effort.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
That will pass fifty Let contrarian out there and being
fucking oh it's earnestness, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
No, I don't want to hear from you. You should not
participate in our democracy.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
You should only vote if you think the words should
be earnesty, because otherwise the English language is a fucking grift.
And that's one minute. I have to say. There's another
example of this, which is it's not jealousness. It's not
just jealousy that you add a y to the word honesty. Jealousy, Earnesty,
(55:28):
it's not irons, it's irony. It's irony. I don't like
on any word. No, oh, you just watching people bowen.
Just literally physically, you were like Yoda at the end
of I think it's what he's done. He does, and
(55:49):
I think empires are spelled yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
he does Jedi. Yeah, you literally just did that his
final breath.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I was gonna say, I looked like I look like
anytime rogue would like touch someone.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You need a moment of like coming back together, because
you spent all your energy on that one. I agree
with you, sister, Earnesty down.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Earnesty, Earnestness don't sound right, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Ness offends you. Ness is so gross. Get out of here, nessy,
get out of here. Fucking well. This has been I
think a very healing episode. Your energy seems much lighter
and better now than when I came in and I
thought you were dead man walking sister with the lights
start low. I'm gonna get better. I guess we should
(56:44):
end every episode with a song. Soon you good, better,
Soon you get better, You're get better, m H, could
you have to? For more on that? Listen to and
(57:06):
You'll Get Better featuring the checks off the album Love Bye,
Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture ding
dong last Culturista's calling. This actually is another in the
series of recording at homes.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Recording at homes. Wonder what that's about. It's cozy, it's fall, happy,
Scorpio season, my sister.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Oh my gosh, we're in Bowen's house and at scorpio season.
You kind of have the floor. What do you want
to say?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I say, everyone dress in all dark colors. Everyone shoplift
a little yes, fuck your boss.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Just kidding. Don't do any of those things, especially not
wear dark clothes. Let's break that, break the pattern pattern.
I am loving dressing for the fall.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I have not heard you so clearly state your not
only distaste for summer, but love of the colder season.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It has been the highlight of my year being here
in New York City. Now, like the October flesh and
the flannel cure. November sorry, fuck well, I'm sure November
will be grade too. Untilor was right about that one.
When I got here, Bowen was playing Cruel Summer, contributing
to the number one hit.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean, I don't have to contribute anymore. I'm doing
it for my own enjoyment period.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I mean, congrats to her, by the way, ten number ones,
and later we will rank all ten number ones. Look
forward to that one later.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Brother, let's talk about my sister's huge, huge ALP musical release.
I was gonna say album released, but not yet album incoming.
I mean, let's talk about it. I have a song
with Muna that is so sligh. You know, they say
(01:45):
I can die now. I genuinely if I if I
were to be hit by let's say of us, at
least let's just say of us, I at least would
have probably in my you know, what do they call
the post mortem when they write about you and the obituary? Girl,
obituary or do you mean like the autopsy?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Okay, well, if they cut open my body and could
see my heart, it would be a flow gratitude. Yeah,
but in my obituary it probably would read he had
a song with Muna and then I I could die now,
because I know it will say.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
In the first sentence. Yeah, period, he had a song
with Muna. Matt Rogers, age thirty three, was struck by
an energy efficient city bus.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
At least that at least at least you helped. I mean,
at least I know that while the energy that was
being used to run me over, Yeah, at least it
was clean. At least it's not going to be a
harmful I don't think you should even joke about this,
because you would be distraught if I were to get
hit by a bus out there.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Oh my god, No, I can't even think about this.
I would be so sad. At least it would be
durting the fall, knowe, No, no, yeah, you're right, we
can't know. I mean reader Katie's publics as finalists. I'm
genuinely so immediately sad now that I'm thinking about this.
By the way, I am not feeling my best. And
the one has what we think is an ear infection.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, and I've come to his home and he's wearing
all sweats and the lights were damn. He was eating
what was it you were having Kung shu fu ramen?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
There we go to the famous Chinese ramen that is
I think better than some of the Korean and Japanese stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Sorry, looks like you meant to start with that statement.
But things were feeling cozy in here, like a sick
boy was living here. So I've come over and I
of course smoked a little weed and then handed him
the joint and then I smoked at myself. So that's
how we sisters do. We get each other sick. And
you did give me COVID recently, I did, And by
(03:42):
you gave me COVID, I mean I got COVID directly
after you. It could have been the other way around.
So it was would you rather have been from someone else? No,
I'm gonna get covid. I wanted. I want at least
contracted from you. But you were doing that thing of apologizing,
and I was like, no one should ever apologize at
this point, It's out there.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I apologizing that I was around you guys that you
knew I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You knew well. You tested positive. Look to the stick
and you looked devilishly in the mirror at your reflection
and said coming to me and Sudie. And you walked
in and said, give me a hugs, sister, smiling all
the way. As I contracted the virus, the curl virus
nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You got to do a song with your favorite band.
Is that a true statement?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It is? Do you know what I was so nervous
and scared to call them up, and Brett was like, Oh,
we should FaceTime her right now. We should FaceTime Katie
right now. And I was just like I had been
through like four drafts of like a notesapp thing to
like send them, and I was like, we can't just
call and he was like, you know we can. We're
gonna do it right now, huh. And I was like okay,
(04:51):
because he's one of those people that's like such a
we're gonna do it self starter, right And I'm the
kind of person I don't know how you feel, but
I'll put her around anxiously before I do anything. Between
you and Brett.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, you guys are a great team because you get
to pull the other in a direction of your choice.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah. Brett is Leland, by the way, who produced and
co wrote the track with me, and we called she
said yes immediately, and then she sent over the track
like pretty much the next day, and we heard her
voice on it and literally just collapsed in each other's arms.
I was like, because this is his second Moon of
feature and it was obviously my first, and I was
just like, oh my god, it just made the song
(05:31):
so much better. I'm so happy, and then she was
in the video.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Comedy performance Kick she should act the direct like it
was Chris miss right right, she killed it. She killed it,
but just that move on here, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Giving pop star the whole time. It was so good
and I loved the discussion and the lead up about
what she would wear. And she she texted me and
she goes, should I just be like a slutty pop
girly version of you? I was like, yeah, yeah, you should,
that's exactly you should shop and she did. She looks unbelievable,
was so funny. She should act and made the whole
(06:06):
thing better and Jared Frieder crushed it. We co directed it.
Now talk about this part. How'd it feel to be
in the director's chair? We Love We Love because I
wrote up the treatment. So basically my two favorite music
videos of all time are Gwen Stefani Cool, which we've
talked about. I'd nause him on this podcast, definitely inspired
the video, and then also Moon five She Will Be
(06:28):
Love with Iconic Star turn by Kelly Preston. Yes, it's
like narrative in the way that I didn't know I
could do by myself. So brought Jared in and he
just like crushes. He's so good at what he does.
Jared frieda direct that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Direct that previous guest on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
If you're not familiar, He's eatened to come over again tonight.
He threatened to I can't have guests, no, only me,
so sorry. He did the Jared thing, which was I
was like, I'm going over to Bones to record the episode.
He goes, okay, I'll come. Uh huh. I was like okay,
and then he was like he looked at me, like really,
and I was like, no, but he can come another time.
I would have loved to have had him if I
(07:03):
wasn't ill. Do you know what I mean? Yes, it's
actually very sort of I'm not gonna say chic, but
it's apt of you to be sick now in the
fall time, because this is when this is when it
goes around. Girl. Look at you getting your liquids. He's
absolutely sucking down water.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
By the way, are you on these Stanley cups?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Babe? I'm a Stanley girl. I've earned money from Stanley.
They took me to Sundance. Really, girl, I speak for Stanley.
I have a partner. I had no idea girl, get
in on this with me. Are you obsessed. First of all,
they set me their sixty four ounce cup that is
all the water you need in a day. And I'm
looking over there and there is clearly whatever is in
(07:45):
that huge canister is all you would need in today
is all I would need a day. And you want
to know something, I drink more period because you get
excited to drink it because you what feel like a
Stanley girl? Can I tell you what I wanted to
say when you and Sudy were talking about the but
and I love that for you who had those huge,
huge bottles, the sixty four rounds bottles that had like
(08:06):
the markers and the little like stupid little pep talks
on the side. What what were you wanted to say
to us celest.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sarah and I got them at the office. Yes, tried
it for a week. We were both like, this isn't fun.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh why because it's like it feels like a chore.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
It feels like a chore aesthetically those bottles are discussed
to know, no, and like I don't need to be
like patronized, infantilized by this fucking water bottle with its words.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And then when this came mm hmm, I thought Wow, yeah,
like this is I'm sorry. I'm all about the style,
and this has the style. It will never go out
of style. It's classic, it's clean. I know you love
that logo. It's a gorgeous logo and I bear with
the wings. It's exciting to see you so immediately taken
(08:53):
by an enthusiastic about a logo on a fond because
that's how I know the product is top notched, because you,
my sister, have a discerning eye when it comes to that.
I just want kind of can you head it to me?
Can I just look at it and hold it?
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Stanley not not sponsored by the way.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Unpaid, unpaid. Look at that Gorgia. Hear her saying, this
is sounds of Staley. Oh, this sounds of Stalica. Oh
more to come later. That one is gonna become a
full bop. Wait what it calls? What this song? Which song?
(09:32):
My song? This is the sound of the song. This
is the sound of the Staley cup. I think we're
gonna find it.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
My god, I think you have like a Paul Diamond
Graceland ESK album.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And you you are too kind to me. What are
you gonna do next? Handy twenty thousand dollars or just mine.
This one is too good to me. I literally, I
am so happy to see you enjoying the stand life.
It makes me so It looks so pathetic and sick
right now. You don't look like you could take on
the world, but I'm here with you. Describe my posture.
(10:06):
I'm like, shoulders, you look like someone in a rom
com who gets broken up with you. Look like Diane
Lane In like before she starts to like take her
own life by the balls. You know what I mean.
Like it's giving Gracie heart Not yet, Gracie Lufrey Bush right,
Oh wow?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Not in like I look like I look like a
fucking butch FBI agent in the form of Sandra Bulla.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
You really do, Honestly, this is giving I'm off due
to FBI.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You know what I always loved Miss Congeniality is that
scene that you see her go home, like in the beginning,
in the first time, where you see her go home.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
To a shithole, to a shithole.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
She takes out a TV dinner, pokes holes in it
with her fork, puts in the microwave, punches a little
punching bag, and sleeps in her shitty disgustings.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And her hair is like massy.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I say, filming I'm getting home scenes must be very difficult.
I have not had to do that, girl.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think it would be easy, because you know, all
you have to do is channel how tired you are.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But I think it's so hard to like fake familiarity.
And this is just what I'm thinking, Like it's like, Okay,
I need to spend at least four days on this
apartment set, yeah, before we roll, because I need to.
I need to make this feel like.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You need to marry in the atmosphere. You're actually making
an incredible point about that scene. And I know she
is and I had never really thought of this before,
but she is not discovering at all. She is totally
at home. There is no doubt that that shit box
is her apartment. She is at home there. This is
(11:41):
why Sandra Bullock is being given the award that she's
being given today by us, which is Sandra Bullock, you
are the Actress of the Millennium.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You will be awarding and honoring you at next year's
Last Cultures Culture Awards.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Be there, Sandra, you are the Actress of the Millennium.
And this is a developing story.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
The way that woman carries herself. Oh yeah, what an
honor to be alive at the same time she is.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Babe. Let me tell you something. One word that doesn't
get said enough in this context. Gravity Gravity. We talked
about gravity all the time. Things might be falling down,
things might be falling down all around us. But I
want to hear the word gravity use more in context
with this film. Yes, it should be the number one
thing when you search gravity in Wikipedia. Should be this
(12:33):
film and her performance, not what happens when you drop
something from the air.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I want the tiktoks to be not about you know,
it's not like a video of some woman and then
it says gravity. Be like, yeah, woman goes, that's right,
put down for real, for real, real, for real if
you know you now. But I think that's one of
the funniest memes ever.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Men, not us being on this podcast being like, you
know what we're gonna talk about and spend energy on
memes and the Stanley Girl. I did not expect this
going on. Katies are eating this week. I have I
have an earth shattering and I don't think so, honey,
you do, yes, stay tuned to think that is still
(13:24):
to come, and we're gonna rank the tailor swift number
one hits. Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
You literally don't know what's coming for you, all of you.
I'm looking at my sister. You don't know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's like Sweeps. It's like November Sweep and it's like
the trailers leading up to like a big moment. You
will never be the same.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I will I miss sweeps and sweeps culture. We wouldn't
have gone code black.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If a word for sweeps, there would not be any
of the most memorable episodes of any of these shows
had it not been for Sweeps. And that is sweeps culture.
Sweeps culture was TV culture, and that's rule of culture
Umber six. Sweeps culture was TV culture. I think.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I said this recently and it's staying with me. And
I hate to talk about work, but like you know,
I was doing like final interviews for Dix and then
like people were asking me, like, oh my god, what
was Travis and Taylor like when they came Yesta No,
And my answer was like, you know what, it reminds
me that like live TV, lets you do things like that, Yeah,
and like really surprise people and like and I said,
(14:28):
quite literally, streaming could.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Never Yeah, you know what I mean, literally could never work.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So is it so crazy? I don't even watch Love
Is Blind anymore. But the fact that they couldn't get
that Live finale right, that Ritian right is so embarrassing.
I know it's been like a couple of years at
this point, or like a year and a half. That
is a huge embarrassment for Netflix. Oh yeah, anyway, not
to be.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
No, I mean, like I think, and also not for nothing,
but you know what would have been a huge moment
if we had sweeps culture even like event dies television
culture anymore. The Aiden thing on and just like that
wouldn't have been really, the Samantha thing, this thing wouldn't
have been really And then those would have been moments
and we can never get those. No, it's sad, It's
(15:08):
really sad.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, no, we're genuinely like, if I think too hard
about it, I'm like, I cry why hard?
Speaker 1 (15:23):
First of all, can I say you literally, also, you
took a fall, You took a tumble, bo went hurt
his shoulder, and the circumstances, the circumstances are not necessarily important,
but he took a fall. I took a fall at work.
Let's just say that.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Let's just say there was a sketch where there's pandemonium
going on in the background and I was told to
run away and check Molly Carney in the shoulder, and
guess what happened. I spun into a fall.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You ever hear that done into a fall? Like I
was a damn fucking pinwheel? You know what? Though, at
least like if it had gone really wrong, yeah, I
could have gone much worse. The headline would have been
Bowen Yang spills into fall in your cell face all
for SNL sketch, mostly background role. I don't mind that. No,
(16:16):
I know there are no small parts. There are no
small parts. You say that every single day you call
me like, and you somehow work into every every conversation
we have, every single one. You say you know there's
no small part. I don't know. It applies to a
lot I I do incorporate into every conversation we have. Listen,
was there anything you want to say on this podcast
(16:38):
about the after party and the experience of being around
Lady Gaga? Because we said it in our ninety two
Street and why but we do not say here? Do
you want to tell the readers about something that happened
momentous in your life.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was a momentous. I haven't even really processed it.
We even talked about this exact scenario a few episodes ago. Yes,
this is me meeting the person that I cannot imagine
meeting because I don't know how I would behave meeting.
And interestingly, right now I know. So we're at the
(17:15):
meeting between Dress and Air. We're on the studio floor.
It's like two three hundred people who work there, all
listening to Lauren talk about the sketches that are making
it to air. Mine got cut, no problem. I was
totally fine with it. Actually, I was like, you know what,
I don't need to have a little thing in this.
This is such a strong show for other people. It's
an amazing show overall. Anyway, lor goes and Lady Gaga
(17:39):
will be introducing the first song, and then I screamed,
in my baggiest moment in my entire time working there.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Lady Gaga. Everyone gassed, giggled, screamed.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Lurne was like, well, she's not the Lady Gaga, She's
Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Was like, I think he was just trying to you
know what.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Lauren loves to be a little little zinger.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
He was like, she's not do Larry to Gars. Larry
Gar like basically say, I'm like, yeah, she's a normal girl.
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I think he was trying to like he was telling me, like,
you're saying, Bowen, calm down, up, he's Meryl streetened out.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
He was saying, he's streeting. Sorry, go ahead, No, that's
and then later later I have doubts, no girl later
in the night when you met the girl, I thought
he was saying, later later in the movie, what else
was another line and say the rest of us, friend
(18:42):
have to set doubts. Later she comes out, she introduces
bad buddy.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
She said, wait, are never yorco The reason why she
did that is very clever and I can't really get
into it. Yeah, but the reason she did that is genius.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Anyway, we go to the after party. Matt and I
actually saw Titanice once with Bobby Campbell, her amazing, incredible manager,
he's so lovely, and his partner Robert, and then Bobby
grabs me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, actually Bobby did not grab me. Was Robert who
grabs me. Robert's like, you have to meet Stephanie. I said,
oh no, I literally was like, no, no response, No
true your response.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I was like, oh no, that's okay. I really can't.
I wasn't even gawking at her, like she was sitting
in my eyeline, like from my table. I was like,
I can't look at her. I can't like I can
acknowledge that she's here. I just this is really overwhelming.
But then Robert dragged me over in the nicest ways.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I will, but then.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I feel like I feel that feeling she was deep
in conversation with someone else, and then she says hello.
She says it's so nice to meet you, and she
says you're so funny. I think she just like knew
me as a cast member, but.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, didn't really. She doesn't know that you stand, so.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
She doesn't know that I stand. So I don't think
she has ever clocked me being on the show other
than that night. She had no idea what I was about.
In terms of her, Well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
She lives on Chromatica and she's been she's been Harley
Quinn for about a year and a half, so she's
been Lee Lee, Sorry Lee. And I immediately launched to
the story that I told earlier about Lourene and I said,
oh my god, Gaga, my faggiest moment in my time
working here, my six years working here, five years whatever.
Basically told her that story, and I screamed to her
(20:35):
face in a crowded restaurant, and I screamed, Lady Gotta.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
She kind of like gasped a little and then like
kind of like looked around the restaurant in a way
that like wasn't she was being polite, she wasn't making
it so conspicuous, but like I definitely felt self conscious,
Like I was like, oh no, she giggled through it,
was nervously laughing through it. But I was like, oh,
I've actually made her uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
You know what? Can I say? Yeah, that is good.
You made Lady Gaga uncomfortable. This woman turned into other people. Okay,
she is Lady Gogga who came down like a spider
into the super Bowl. She is Lady Gaga, Patrizia Tria,
and she was shook by something that you did. Girl,
(21:20):
the way you are one of the most legendary icons.
You shook Gaga, shook Gaga. That's true. I didn't think
of it that way. The title of that Gaga Shook.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Goga Shook I was Gaga shook in that moment, Gaga shook.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I think it should be you shook Gaga. You shook Gaga.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I didn't physically shake. I did not touch her besides
like a hug, and that was it. Yeah, that's good
that you made that clear. Well, so I guess the
first moment was technically good nights when I hugged her
and that.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh so that was literally the first moment you hugged her?
And then what were you thinking? What was happening?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I was like that experience that what just happened is
on a lightning fast conveyor belt.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Let it go, don't grab it, don't think about it. Okay, okay,
I don't think that counts. No.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
So then at the after party I sit next to
her at our table for like fifteen minutes this she's
literally fully turned the other way, like talking to someone else.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
But I was talking to.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Bobby and Roberts, and gosh, that was it. I was like, there,
I apologized her. I was like, I fully embarrassed her earlier.
She's like, no, you didn't, So I was like, oh, youkees,
that could have gone better.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Listen, the rest is still unwritten. I think it's actually
one of the most beautiful lines in a song. I
think that there is a great future, and I think
that what you have done is you've both shaken and
you've shaken her, but humanized yourself. And it's because you
showed up honestly that night. Yes, my sister only shows
up as herself. She deserves zaccolades. That would never happen
(22:46):
with anyone else in the world. Do you know? We
were supposed to be there, and Dave was kicking himself,
but we did have a fun time because his two
favorite artists are in fact Bad Bunny and Lady Kaka.
We were out of Long Island, were a fall Dad.
Guys had a gorgeous fall day. We went to go
see my parents. We we lost the family dog, Bailey,
(23:08):
so that was a rough one for Richie and Trina
and you know, put the lighters in the air for Bailey,
who was fourteen and a half. She was a queen.
She was a queen and a legend. But reaching out
to anyone out there that goes through like the loss
of a pet, because it is tough. But we went
out to see them. I took house Jared, Dave and
Dave and we went out and we had Pumpkin Beers
(23:31):
girl and you know I crave him. And then we
went to a hunted escape room them to the film
it on Long Island. Did you go into the damn sewer? Honey?
What happened was we basically wore up in the sewer,
and up in the sewer, little boy's jacket, his yellow
jacket was there, covered in blood. It was a hard
escape room and there was a live actor no as
(23:54):
penny Wise, No no, so as if that wasn't enough terror.
And yes we did get out with I think seven man.
It's the spare we got out penny Wise. Yeah, yeah, hon,
they were han, I'm not getting solving no puzzle when
penny Wise is a foot away from me, one of
film's scariest monsters and a front runner for that category
(24:17):
next year at the last Culture Races Culture Awards, because
penny Wise has been under rewarded at that ceremony and
it's time that we take accountability.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Year three were breaking the terrible standards we've set for ourselves.
In years one and two.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
The standards from before are no longer. The standards. The
lost Culture is to Culture Awards are a dusty, stodgy institution,
used up, used up. We know it's rigged. It's time
we change it. I have a feeling that if a
celebrity says they're going to be on the show, they win.
What do you mean I think it's fixed. I think
(24:52):
that Matt and Bowen fix it. I think that they
wait to see if a celebrities like I think that.
Do you think that they would have give Ariana Matter
the Coolest Girl Award if Ariana Grande had said that
she would show up, what would they have done? Then
that's hard fake. That's both of them. I hate them,
Matton Bowen, I hate them. They're so annoying faggots. They're
(25:16):
such friends. Where did we drift from? Oh? The Fall Day?
So then after the Escape Room we went to in Hoppog,
Long Island, New York. It was rated thirty ninth out
of all haunted attractions in the country, number one in
New York. The Chambers of Hell, Girl, the Chambers of Hell?
(25:37):
Who did you see?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Girl?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Beelzebub basically her and a lot of her friends that
are no fun to be around. Sweetie the Incubi, the
Sucuby for everyone saying that I was skipping right to
Christmas I want you to know I went to the
Chambers of Hell for you so that I wouldn't skip Sorry,
but y'all's favorite holiday. I went into the Chambers of Hell.
(26:01):
I'm not even kidding you. I've never experienced a walk
through haunted house like this. There was a point oh no,
where we had to get on our hands and knees
and crawl under shit. Then I had to climb up
in like literally this it's like crawl spaces. The actors
are dressed down, they're jumping, they're screaming, they're carrying on,
(26:22):
playing for team too much, chasing it's hell, girl. It
was the Chambers of Hell, and there were three of them.
This was a forty minute experience what we were so shook.
I swear to god, you were having a heart attack throughout. Kudos.
Can I bang the standing lay to them? Let's just
(26:43):
play the Stanley song for all the girls in the
Chambers of El and Hotbog. We were so shook we
had to eat. We went to Patricia's on Long Island.
It's an Italian restaurant where it's a party all like
a damn party. I swear to god. They were serving
towers espress on martinis with sparklers on the top, and
(27:08):
I said team too much. It was World champions. Yeah,
watch out, Well I can think Whitney is more team
too much this season. Oh yeah, Whitney's. But anyways, so
then we eat this vicious Italian meal, get them the
Long Island Railroad. We are full of cheese. I wake
up in the morning and at that point I was
(27:30):
not making it to snl. I wasn't taking my full
of cheese body to go like, you know, wink at
bad Bunny from across the room. Right, you know what
I'm saying. Totally, But we wish we could have been
there with you, beloved.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It would have been such a fun shared moment. But
it was a nice night.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And we missed John on the island to slurping back
pumpkin beers. Oh I wish I was.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I have not See The thing about this job is
I have not had a nice proper fall get away
in so long.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I know that. Remember that year we went to Tarry
Oh my god, of course that was revolutionary. And I
mean we did the sleepy holl of Haunted House. That
was so much fun. That was a little too Here's
what I loved about this hunted house. That one was
really crowded, and the crowd it was like you could
barely move the records. It got backed up. This one
they were doing like crowd control wo so that you
were really in every room by yourself with your party.
(28:19):
And I was like, give it up for production.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, I get producing literally is thinking about the experience.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
MetLife Stadium should talk to them about moving people through
a space.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
There is no hope there and listen, no y'all listening.
If you live in the Tri State area. It's just
it's the worthiest investment ever to just get the party bus. Honey, honey,
that is the best money you will have ever spent.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Go online, find a bunch of people who are going,
especially if it's one of these big artists. You know,
there's big fan communities where you'd want to carpool and
go in on one of these buses. You can get
in and out and.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Then they guess what, they get to stay in the
parking lot for the entire show, and then you just
go back to where you came from. And then these
huge vehicles plow through.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
The lines that are leaving zee. It's beautiful, beautiful, big
and bold is how you feel when you roll up
in the automobile. That's big. That one doesn't work as
well as a lot of my other songs. I disagree
with something about it in the beginning, and then I
(29:25):
don't know, girl, that's how you feel in the automobile.
That's how you feel in the automobile. There's something there.
Oh yeah, what if we just did a gem sash?
What if you and I just wrote a fucking pop banger? Okay, okay,
we'll do it. Well, what's what mood are you in
right now?
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I'm so awful and you feel awful because you're sick.
But I'm here with my friends, so maybe it's a
song about that.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think that's definitely part of the texture. But like,
I feel like your emotion right now is like, yeah,
you know it's gonna be okay, but you really don't
feel good. And what do you think is the tempo?
If you could musically express how you feel? Mm hmm,
this is wonderful. And now just.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Oh, I have headache, but I'm with my girl, so
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Another day in this world. Wait, this is good. Okay,
I have a head It's sort of like rolling in
the deep. Oh my God, I have headache, but I'm
with my girl, trying to hate it another day in
this world. This is good, this song that is driving
(30:48):
through it keeping things are bad, like you know what
I mean? Like its helpless. It's a really hopeless song.
It is about rising up to do the podcast episode.
That's what it's about. It's about I know I'm sick,
but we need an episode this week. Right. I'm not
gonna let this stop me from doing my job and
(31:08):
get into the day. And that's what makes the song
connect to anyone listening. I will not let my circumstances
stop me from getting through this day. You will not
hold me down. Katie Perry needs to sing this. Katie.
It's Katie. We'll see you on your next album. Can
my label mate Capital Girl. That'll be easy to get
it over to her. Yeah? Is that how it works?
(31:31):
I think that it would be a lot easier to
work for someone on the same label. Yeah. Yeah, Troy
Sevon my label mate, let's discuss her.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I think this album is so sublime. I mean, it's
certainly this era of Troy just well done. A plus, confident,
comfortable songwriting, amazing production and swings. Swings the music videos
are unforgettable. Yeah, it feels like I'm in the damn
(32:10):
early odds.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah. The whole album, I mean, Honey is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Honey is so good. I think it's called how to
Stay with You? The closing track.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, what time is it where you are? I mean, like,
what time is it where you are? Wow, that has
gotten I've contributed to half of those plays. Yeah. I
think she's racking up streams and that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Still, God, it is so good. Yeah, Oh silly got
me started. Yeah, it's all great.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And shout out to Brett Leland, who's like so fucking good.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So good, I mean, excellent album. We I think people
have been chomping at the bit for us to talk
about this album that we've been hyping for months and months.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Oh Chapel, Yeah, absolutely. We went to go see here
at Brooklyn Steel too.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I saw both the night you in Brooklyn and I
did not plan to and I have no regrets.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
No, I mean that show was fucking fun. And also
it's just I called it when I saw her back
earlier in the year. Her following it was twice as
intense as it was then, and it's gonna keep growing
like this girl puts on a fun fucking show and
all of the songs translate live in a really powerful way.
(33:18):
No kidding.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They hit on Tuesdays with people from work and they
get to go to these concerts for free and stuff
because they sometimes they handle some of the bookings.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
And one girl turns to me and goes, she's special. Yeah.
I was like, yes, oh my god, you connected the
bookers of SNL to her show. That's made shows. I mean,
that's not me like.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
On Saturday Live, like t went on an SNL or
when when like I'm gonna say, like Marin Morris, when
a SNL. It's like I love when SNL has like
a discovery oh.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Back in the day, Like you could argue, we've discussed
it on this pod, but like you could argue, Adele
became Adele because of her Saturday Night Live perform when
she did Chasing Pavements the same night. I believe that
it was like the second time Tina fe was doing
Sarah Pale.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It was Josh Brolin and yeah, right, it was when
Sarah Palin herself showed up.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Oh that one, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And Adele has a funny story where she sees Sarah
Palin in the hall and she goes.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Tana, Yeah, like she thought that is you're saying that? Yeah, Like,
remember she won Best at the Grammys and that was
Grammy voting time, I think, and like it was literally
like that election year where everyone's eyes were turned to
and then I remember, like she even says that she's
like now and she she kind of says like that
(34:43):
in that same exact voice I just did. That is
an amazing impression. The fact that I lost control of
my adele. I'm worthless. I should walk into the street
and you think it's a requirement that you have in
adele impression. It's the easiest accent to do in the world,
and I'm world famous for it. You know what Cockney
break it down?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it's like, you know how when you ask British
people to do an American accent, or when you see
a British person like an actor.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yea, and they go hi, y'all, hey, y'all, they go
into like the most regionally chaotic Southern accent. You guys
are so fucking chaotic. O We're in the UK, dude.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I feel like the equivalent for us is doing Coffney
like that you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I want one hundred percent I know what you mean.
So it's like it's a very delicate accent to nail.
So I'm sorry to Adele, and I'm sorry to myself
for being so hard on myself about my adel and
my therapist to be proud of me for saying apologizing
to myself.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Did she say recently, just another way to be cruel
to yourself? Said, I love this, by the way I
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, totally. I mean I was beating up on myself
about I think I was nervous about the music coming up,
of course, and I was nervous about the music videos, which,
by the way, I'm so thrilled. Wasn't happy to do it,
and everything has been incredible, but I stress out and
I beat myself up, and she was just listening to me,
and she just takes a beat, and my therapist just
goes another way for you to be cruel to yourself,
(36:07):
And I was like, oh, And then I actually laughed
because I was like, when you put it like that,
it makes it sound almost like when it's so easily
clocked by someone else, You're like, now it just feels like, well, now,
that you'm boring and annoying for me to be like,
it's beyond self awareness and it's like someone calling your therapist,
calling you in and so that now you know, it's
like in this external awareness that other people can clock it.
(36:30):
She just texted me your therapist. Yes, Oh my god,
do we have a psychic connection? Oh? I asked for
an emergency session this week and she just I said,
she said nothing yet, Oh no, are you? Are you okay?
Everything's fine? I think okay. Just to be totally real, like,
there was more attached to that song I just released
than just like it's a funny song, you know what
(36:51):
I mean, Like, yeah, I wrote that like sort of
to deal with what I was going through earlier in
the year. So I had a degree of anxiety about
it coming out, and when it came out and it
just brought things up. So I reached out to the
old therapist. It was the first time I ever like did.
I think probably with you with Fire Island, you may
have felt this way, but like it's the first time
(37:12):
you feel like you give a little part of yourself
into a thing, because usually we just usually do like
sketches and characters and silly songs and stuff, and then
all of a sudden you actually show up in something
and it's like it's different, it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, And I can't imagine what this feels like, because
would you say, this is the first thing you've put
out that has a significant degree of like, oh, this
is funny, yes, but like very me very diaristic, very.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Like it's the first thing I've successfully wrote about my
own pain. Oh, it's like and that that actually feels
like so cool, really cool, because I remember, like I
don't know how you feel. But sometimes I feel like
the kind of writer that feels lame because I never
can really put on paper what I'm going through emotionally.
I can be funny and I can like explore like
comedic scenarios, but I've just never been good at like using,
(38:06):
for lack of better term, like taking my broken heart
and making it into art like that. It's not a
thing for me. It's I usually create from joy. And
I think when you are sad that makes it even
more frustrating because you're like, why do I feel all
these big fucking emotions and I can't do anything with
them now? I feel pathetic. And then I'd bet a
shit out of myself because it feels like, yeah, sure,
(38:29):
like comedy is one thing, but then actually saying how
I feel. It's sometimes harder to funnel that into the
comedy without feeling you're trying too hard or you know,
getting in your own way.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
You know, but you feel some obligation to be like
in that moment, to be like creative, generative, whatever when
you're feeling sad.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, and you can't, and that's frustrated you can't. So
this was the first time I ever successfully ended up
with something where I was like, I believe that says
something about what I went through. And also I stand
by comedically and as a song well comedic.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
The comedy of it is so inseparable from the emotion
of it, which is like, Wow, I felt so many
things with you, the person you're saying to in the song,
but I don't really know that much about you, which
is such I'm gonna go as far as to say
that like it's a universal feeling and Yeh've all had
those people.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, it's about that thing that feels so big but
occupies such a moment, you know what I mean, And
then all of a sudden time does its thing where
you like literally start to forget, and there is something
funny about that, like like when a star explodes, like
a big bang of emotion and then everything just starts
to sort of settle, and then you're like, oh, wow,
(39:39):
I went through that, and I can't really say much
specifically about it because time just starts to do that
thing that they say is gonna make things better. But
then there's also something sad about it too, because you're like,
oh man, the specificity of it is going away. That's
also part of the heartbreak. So I guess that's like
the best distillation of how I'm feeling. How I feel
(40:02):
about the whole thing is that, Like it's worthy of
a song, but I've truly I can't say much specifically
about it. Yeah, but that thing makes the song right,
And that's really incredible that you took it a meta
layer above that and then you're like, this is what
the song that's about. It's excellent. It feels good to
(40:23):
create something that you think like says something about how
you feel. You know what I mean? Like that is girl,
when we get our.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Pens to paper, you know what, I can't quite tell
where I'm at in terms of talking about my own emotions.
I will say when I'm in therapy and I I
go off, I'm like, well, I should be writing every
word of this time because I'm writing a fucking I'm
writing like Jerry Maguire the movie too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
You know what I mean. You should be journaling. I
should be journal my journaling. It helps well.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I go back to meet some of my entries from
like last year, and I'm like, today was fine, went
to the gym, had a smoothie.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I'm like, this is so boding. Then maybe there's something
there and make fun of yourself like that. I mean, honestly,
that's kind of what ultimately everything you want song is
is like I literally sat down to like do this
earnest exercise of like what do I wish him for Christmas?
This year? I couldn't remember shit, and I was like, Okay, well,
I'm gonna drag myself. Wow, you know what I mean,
(41:22):
Like there's something. I think. It's just like you literally
just write those things down, not so that like it
can be something in the moment, but so that you
can have a reaction to it later. That's I think
something about writing I didn't realize or remember, but is something.
Writing is so hard. It's hard, Yeah, very difficult, especially
(41:43):
when you train yourself to think in a short form
again and again and again.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
I would imagine, Well, I am always like so paralyzed
whenever the season's off at SNL. I'm like, I think
my creative process is a writing process at least is
like purely sight specific.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Like you're just you just feel like it's now when
you think writing, you think that type of specific.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Which I really need to start like untangling, because it's
like I can't be locked into this. I cannot have
the paralysis around this, around anything else because I'm always
used to this one way of posturing myself. But I'm
excited to work on longer form things in the future woo.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
But also LOLBB, I'm like, you know what you should
do in journal? Like sorry, but as if I journal, Yeah,
I have journal, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I hit a plateau with it, like over the summer.
I was like, this isn't really helping me.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Mm hmm. So I have been off of that ah
and it's been fine. Well, you're spinning yourself out. It
just felt like I made.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
It feel like such a chore because it was on
like my checklist of things to do every day.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
M hmm.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And I always came with such a weird attitude around.
I was like, this is compulsory, like I don't really
want to do this. Instead that kind of like it's
just waste of time.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Time. Can I ask you a question? Were you typing it?
Typing it? You have to write it and then it
will feel so much easier and actually more fun. And
when you feel like you have to sit down and
type something, I think there's this message you sent to yourself,
which is it has to be a thing and long.
Right now. I never think I can just like jot
something down typing, But when I write, I can write
just like a couple sentences down and then put it
(43:17):
down and then news for you when you add to
that later you are writing something totally or you're just
collecting whatever it is. But like your process, I think,
take it out of the computer, girl, Where do you
think you go to the damn notebook with a pen? Girl?
You want to do? I don't think so, honey, And
you know it is time. I'm so sorry. I'm feeling
(43:40):
really sick. The first thing we have to do before
we do that, because we promised is rank Taylor Swift's
top ten number ones, and I'm going to do it
really quickly so you don't have to because you're going
to agree with me when I say it. Number one
is all too well ten minute version. Number two is
plank Space. Number three is cruel Summer. Number four is Willow.
Number five is look what you made me do. Number
(44:00):
six you've already done. This is we are never ever
getting back together. Number seven is you think that's worse
than Look what you made me do? Oh after the movie?
You rank it about that? Yeah? Sorry? Number seven is
stop you're losing me. That's not me saying that one,
but I'm losing What it is, it's we should know that,
(44:21):
go shake it off, Shake it off. Then it's bad Blood.
Then it's Cardigan. That's only nine. I'm forgetting one, but
that's okay. I think you got all of them. No
I didn't because I only had nine fingers raised anti
hero anti hero? Okay, then put anti hero in between
(44:43):
look what you made me do? And you're never getting
back together and we're never ever going that low. I
think that. I think that's one of her most incredible songs.
It's better than all too well ten and version blank Space,
Cruel Summer and then what did you do between Cruel
Summer and Willow? But that's personal to me. Oh, I
do love Willow. Willow is that girl. And when she
(45:04):
came out with those orbs and said, wait for this signal,
n O me you after dark, I'm gonna put that
below will I'm gonna put anty here below Willow better
than Look what do you mean me do? Is that
the ranking? You have seen the Aerostor movie. I know
you have, and you still want to do that. You
(45:26):
still won't Look what you made me do to be
that loud after you saw the Aerostar movie and you
saw the slagage and the carnage pop carnage.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
I think that's an amazing production moment in the concert.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I respect your sister, sister, And do you understand what
I'm saying I do now? Honest? Are we ranking them
by song quality? Girl? Yes? And I understand now I
think I do.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I admire Look what Jimimi do because it is such
a swing and she was like, bucket, this is my
first single. It's I'm basically doing right, said Fred unto Sexy,
who fucking cares? I think that's actually so so amazing.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
It's literally so amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Like I'm one of the best songwriters. I'm the best
songwriter my generation. I'm putting this fucking crazy ass song
out there.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, for my like No Press Vengeance album, Don't Talk
to Me album, Taylor, Way to Go, Way to Go.
This is I don't think so Honey. It's where we
take one minute to rants rail and more against something
(46:30):
in Colaster that we absolutely want to drag, discredit and more.
I have something that is actually based on my evening
at Patrizia's. It references something that I discussed earlier, and
I think this one's going to be tough, especially for
the katies. But I have to say this because I
feel it. Oh oh, this is Matt Ronders. I don't
think so Honey as ten starts now, I don't think
so Honey Espressomarzini's. I'm sorry. I think that the moment
(46:53):
burnt bright. Yeah, but I think that moment has passed.
I think that it's now gotten out of control because
I don't think so Honey, an espresso martini before your
meal unless that meal is gonna be like also some
kind of dessert. You are absolutely ruining your palette. I
don't think so, honey, that you can really enjoy, like,
for example, at an Italian place like chicken parmesan after
(47:17):
an espresso martini. I'm sorry, I don't think so, honey.
I want to throw up when I think about that combination.
And you will see these girls sucking down espresso martinis
with meals and ruining their dinners. Meanwhile, post dinner. Fine,
but as a cultural moment, we've moved on from just
(47:37):
post dinner drinks. And also, you can't use it in
the place of a red Bull anymore. I don't think so, honey,
because culturally now we're confused. We've let espresso martini go
too far. It's time to go back to Redville. And
if you're this type of girl, cocaine, I don't think
so amazing now.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I want to say that, don't do cocaine. Don't do
cocaine like an espresso. This peaked an amazing but it
is no crashing.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I don't really know what's set.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
You're saying that we as a culture have moved on
from post dinner drinks.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
No, I'm saying we as a culture can't handle espressal martini.
This is why we can't have nice things because they've
moved too far beyond being a post dinner drink to
like give us a second win, like now culturally, like
I see them at all hours of the day. And
also there's this crazy thing happening and Jessel, I love
(48:29):
you girl. But earlier in the season of Rony, my Girl,
My Diva, Jessel tank, I am a tank top. She
ordered a espresso martini with tequila. Oh, I do remember that.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
That was when I didn't really wasn't a big fan
of hers anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
And now I look back and I'm like, go off,
queen with your weird ass cocktail. But no, no, no, no, no, no,
we can't be trusted with this anymore. We can't. Did
you watch the Me Union last name? I have to
tell you I didn't, but I will. But I heard
that it was boring, and that's making it hard to like.
It's only in two parts. It's only in two parts,
and the first part, you would say, was kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
Pretty boring, although there are interesting dynamics happening where you
can clearly see it's so obvious that Si and Aaron
have come into that union being like a week came
off really bad. Yeah, but then Sigh of course is
fucking insufferable and does this thing where she's like, I'm
taking full accountability and I'm sorry Brandon for what I
said to you, and I'm sorry Jessel for what I said.
(49:27):
Blah blah blah, I'm sorry. I'm taking full accountability. And
then the within her next breath is like, but also
like I was right, and your husband's cheating on you
and blah blah blah, no one suffered more than me
all this shit. Aaron does the same thing. She has
a tearful moment out of nowhere about being the older sister,
the eldest sister. Fucking Jenna starts sobbing ten minutes and
(49:51):
it was a weird one.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
But I heard Uba was kind of acting. Uba was
misunderstanding things. I did not understand what.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
But to bring to that scenario was like totally derailing
a conversation that Andy was starting and where like everyone
would be like, what are you talking about? Yeah, it
was not great, and then it ends with sign Jessel
and then like Jessel came off great, Andessel is a
great moment where.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah, she looks good next to Andy, he looks.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Good next to Andy, but then sigh in one of
her like you know moments. Her her words silence was like,
I apologize. I should have never commented on your marriage.
I don't think you and your husband have a connection,
but I should never comment on someone's ma And the
JUSTL was like, you just did.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
And but the way Jessell does it is like, well
you're fucking stupid.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
It was great. I think Justll clear winner, I shouldn't
have said anything. I apologize for saying so. I don't.
I don't think you and your husband have a connection,
but I'm sorry. I shouldn't have said anything. But I
don't think you and your husband have a connection. But
I shouldn't be commenting on your marriage. Well you just did.
Can I ask? What do you think it is about
(50:57):
Sy that stops her from being a villain we love
and is making her more of a villain that we're irritated?
Not funny?
Speaker 2 (51:03):
She actually Hunter Harris is actually talking about this in
her substack. Like Brandon and Jenna have style, Cy has brands. Yes,
I doesn't really. I don't think she like knows how
to dress herself.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
I will say I think she always looks amazing, But
you're right, it might be for the reasons you're saying,
because I think that there's a lack of like individuality
in what she brings.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
And well, she was harping on the same things all season.
The food, Yeah, her mother, which is of course the
tragic thing, but like constantly bringing it up as a
way to like put down other people, so bizarre.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I wonder if she feels really embarrassed about the food thing.
I'm sure because it's really it got really diring.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Well, you can tell that she is someone who embarrassment
is adjoined to anger, Like when she like in the
finale and she.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Was like lash out, like she lashes out when.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
She when she's been caught in something, she fucking explodes,
And you're like, yikes, that is not something that anyone
likes to see on TV from any gender, you know
what I mean. I don't think it's like a oh
or she's a woman, she's not a lot to be angry.
She's a woman of color. I think it literally is
something that like that's not fun on reality television.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I think it just needs to feel like justified and
it's just she got so here's my thing. I literally
I don't even dislike her. I think they're all figuring out.
I don't know why I have like a compassion for
this cast. Maybe it's because I'm doing their Bravo Con
panel and I'm really trying to because I'm no, I
think what it is it's not even about fair is.
(52:34):
I'm just really trying to see the best in all
of them. That's because I'm trying not to make a
decision about one of them before I like go into
this thing where I have to like, you know, talk
with all of them, et cetera. But I will say
it is tough with side because it's that thing of
like her behavior just isn't very grounded. Yeah, and I
just you know, it could be the editing, but like
(52:56):
it's just you can't really fake it. That's such a
rooky move.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah, for her, It's both sign Aaron being on, like
the Bravo Instagram commenting being like stay tuned for the
beginning and the editing did as dirty blah blah blah,
and then like people dragging them in the Yeah, I
had to get in there and be like, girl, you're
not cut out for this. I really don't think Aaron
is cut out for reality television.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
She seems very sensitive in a way where it's like
it's fine, it's not like a yeah, it's just sensitive.
If you're able to dish it out, you have to
be able to take it. And it seems like taking
it for her means like full meltdown in a way
where it's like, Okay, cute. We can watch that, for sure,
we can adjust to that. I just it's not clear
at the end of it, like and I think their
first season and second season, for better or worse are
(53:41):
going to be very different because these women now have
been in the machine and the cooker, which is why
I don't think we should get rid of any of them.
I think I'm gonna double down on this. We keep
them all and bring in Leah. I think that is
the best move, if Lee even wants to do it right.
But start the campaign anyway. Espresso Martini's I'm just noticing
it's excess, That's all I'm saying. Bowen, do you haven't?
(54:04):
I don't think so any topic, Yes you do. You
said it was going to be a barn burner, and
this is the moment we've all been waiting for. Bowen
Yang your I don't think so honey, time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. The word earnestness. Why aren't
you earnesty? Why aren't you earnesty? The English language is
(54:24):
a lie, y'all. We are breaking the lang. I just
broke the language. Earnesty is not a word, but it
should be right.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
It's not honestness, it's honesty, and honesty is the word
that is the most important, not earnest ness, and therefore
honesty should set the model for earnesty. We need to
write legislation to make earnesty a word in America at least.
I don't want to speak for other countries, for other
countries that speak English, but in America it should be earnesty.
(54:53):
That is something that we can all get behind. It's
a bipartisan effort.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
That will pass fifty Let contrarian out there and being
fucking oh it's earnestness, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
No, I don't want to hear from you. You should not
participate in our democracy.
Speaker 1 (55:08):
You should only vote if you think the words should
be earnesty, because otherwise the English language is a fucking grift.
And that's one minute. I have to say. There's another
example of this, which is it's not jealousness. It's not
just jealousy that you add a y to the word honesty. Jealousy, Earnesty,
(55:28):
it's not irons, it's irony. It's irony. I don't like
on any word. No, oh, you just watching people bowen.
Just literally physically, you were like Yoda at the end
of I think it's what he's done. He does, and
(55:49):
I think empires are spelled yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
he does Jedi. Yeah, you literally just did that his
final breath.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
I was gonna say, I looked like I look like
anytime rogue would like touch someone.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
You need a moment of like coming back together, because
you spent all your energy on that one. I agree
with you, sister, Earnesty down.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
Earnesty, Earnestness don't sound right, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Ness offends you. Ness is so gross. Get out of here, nessy,
get out of here. Fucking well. This has been I
think a very healing episode. Your energy seems much lighter
and better now than when I came in and I
thought you were dead man walking sister with the lights
start low. I'm gonna get better. I guess we should
(56:44):
end every episode with a song. Soon you good, better,
Soon you get better, You're get better, m H, could
you have to? For more on that? Listen to and
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