November 15, 2016 • 33 mins
A Radiophonic Novela hosted by Mala Muñoz and Diosa Femme, two self-identified locxs. What does it mean to be a locx for survivors of color, womxn, and femmes? In this capitulo, Las Locatoras discuss gendered and raced trauma, crazy-making, living at home after undergrad, and other locuras.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit radio phonic
novella local Radio hosted by Malamuno Loca Pistemologies. Yes, we're recording.
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We are live. Hello, Welcome to Locata Radio. I am
theos f M and I'm Malamunos. Welcome. Thanks for tuning in.
So we're just gonna start today with a little background
of or an introduction of who we are, UM, what
this podcast is about, and thanks for tuning in. Thanks
for tuning in. This is so this is our first recording,
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our first episode for local radio. Yes, so do you
want to Mala? Do you want to start with talking
about who you are what you're about? Yes? Thank you. So.
UM I'm malam Yos and I'm an l A Native.
I am a rape crisis counselor advocate. UM, I'm a
crisis counselor. UM, I'm Adan Sante. Um, I'm a looka.
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I'm a crazy bitch. I'm an activist, a feminist, and
I also UM I write. I write about women of
color artists, especially women who are working in Los Angeles,
Las Rene right of Southern California. So I've written for
UM the Vibe Viva section for Vibe magazine online, and
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I've written about um Yes, which is a wonderful friend
of ours, incredible move head, incredible chinna activist, poet. I've
written about Monica kim Garza UM incredible painter. And then
I did a feature on sand Juan Um, amazing muralist,
UH street artist and entrepreneur. So that's a little bit
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about who I am. So, uh Yosa, can you introduce
yourself to our listeners and let the world know who
you are? So? I am a queer firm, queer high
firm from Southeast l A. I'm a community organizer in
the South Bay. UM. I work for a nonprofit. UM.
I love makeup, I love tattoos, anything that's like fem centered,
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our music, UM, and definitely intersectional feminism and activism, which
is actually what brought us together, one of the many
things that brought us together. UM. I'm also here for
like nonlinear healing, you know, I feel like that is
so prominent in our communities right now. It's like the
communities I'm involved in. UM. That is like the talk
right like healing and like being brus kind of like
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reclaiming all these terms, you know, and being like in
tune or repairing these like lost connections to like we
were talking about this the other day, to like indigenous spirituality,
like Afro Indigenous spirituality. UM from our different like Latinum
Akin and US Latino context, how we like retain different things.
And yeah, so I think that all that all has
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to do with that what you're talking about nonlinear healing. Yes,
so yeah, I love like I feel like I'm involved
in a lot of different things in l a UM,
one of them being UM shot Me Viva. So I
want to give a shout out to shot Me Viva.
We're actually recording here UM at the shop. So they
are on Highland Park. Um, they're in Highland Park on
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York and Avenue fifty two. I think you should definitely
check them out if you're not in the area, it's
worth the drive. You can order from them online. UM,
so quick shout out to knowed dom in Adrianna from
the shop for letting us use this space. UM, I
love it. They're like so about community events and community work.
They you brought up yes and two weeks ago the
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two three weeks ago they actually had a chink on
a fire event here at shot Me Viva, which is
so dope. Um, and they also participate in the monthly
Northeast l A art Walk, So shout out to shop
me Vida follow them on Instagram. They're super dope. You
will not regret it. And the shop itself is just
so dope. Like it's such a cool space, Like you
walk in and your eyes immediately like drawn in all
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these different directions, all the art, the chin esthetics. I
love it. It's just I feel like I'm getting my
life completely like in many different ways. Yes, definitely, yes.
So hopefully we'll be recording from here more often. M Yeah,
this hopefully can be like our hub before. Yes. Um,
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So let's talk about our name now local radio. Officially
we are local Radio Mommies of myth and bullshit. So
let's can you tell me a little bit about where
that came from? What inspired it? Yeah, So I think
part of it was like we were looking for a
name and identity that really was intersectional and that it
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really just spoke to like experience, I think, um, in
like an honest way. And so we were honestly just
doing like word searches and trying to get inspired by like, Okay,
what are some phrases like in Spanish that are like
really well known that we could flip a phrase right
and then people will understand that the the origin. And
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we were just like throwing out like okay, these are
words that I like, these are words that sound interesting,
getting our juices flowing. And then okay, look right is
a radio host and and just thinking about us and
what we talk about and this idea of nonlinear healing, Well,
what are we healing from? Right? Like this ridiculous like
like like oppressive in a lot of ways, like complicated
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world that we live in, and it's like a crazy
making deem does look us does look as constantly for anything,
for everything. So it just made sense to Okay, so
we're a couple of lookers on the radio, look at
a radio. There we go at the end, um, I
think something that you and I have we kind of
came up with a definition for like what is alka,
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right said a looka as anybody who does not conform
to what is expected of her absolutely and in like
a Latino context. I think loca has its own kind
of connotation and origins that is different and separate from
the term crazy in English. I think that the way
that the term loca is ascribed in like Latino communities
and households has like it's specific because a loca could
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be like a term of endearment, like a good thing. Right,
if you're a loca, you're you're that that woman that
you don't give a yeah at the party's like dropping
it drinking, doesn't give a funk, Like, yeah, that's a loca.
You could just be living your life, getting your life,
and it could be kind of you know, that's just
that's just how you're living. But then the loca can
also be like the girl who she's living her life
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differently than her grandmother lived her life. Right, she's the
look as she's crazy, or the survivor, right, the survivor
of sexual violence of domestic violence often has that that
label that she's she's she's loca. She made she made
it up. You know you can't believe her. Um. So
I think just like because we exist in this environment
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that like we're expected to act normally, but then we're
living in like sometimes really ridiculous conditions, that's crazy making
that's look I'm making right there. That's so like, yeah,
I think what you're saying to about like not believing
what the loca says like that, it's so near and
dear to my heart, being a survivor of many multiple
layers of violence, right, Um, being a woman of color,
I know we can both relate to what being a
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loca is and like how a lot of it is
like crazy making. I love how you said that, um,
because a lot of it we were made to be
crazy in a way, we're made to be a loca. UM.
So I think first before we proceed, we definitely want
to recognize that we are reclaiming the term loca. We
understand it's historical violence, it's implications, um, and it's stigma
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with mental health. So by and no means are we
trying to take away um from that. But for us,
we're definitely it's personal, it's political reclaiming it, it's and
it's I think it has a lot to do with
survival and just owning that. Well. The the reality is
is that you and I both in our own separate
you know, worlds and communities and environments like have each
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dealt with, you know, mental health issues and concerns and
growing up in environments where you know, not maybe not
intentionally done, but you're faced with a lot of patriarchy
and Machi's more right, and and and fat shaming and
sledge shaming. So you know what does that create? That
creates an environment where you have young girls who are
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now dealing with eating disorders for ten years at a time, right,
and and who deal with anxiety and depression on and
off and can't talk about it, can't talk about it,
don't have anything to be depressed about, right, you don't
have anything to be anxious about. Yeah, you're just being
a Look at you're making it right, right? Right? So
I reclaim that term because that is what I am,
because I have dealt with these things, right, So I'm
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not gonna be letting that word now have that negative
weight to it. I would rather take that negative off
of it and be like, Yeah, this is what I live,
this is what I deal with, and this is who
I am, and it's not my fault necessarily, but I
have to make the best of it. Right. Um, that's
a really good transition into this episode that we are
calling local epistemology, right. So, uh, an epistemology is a
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is a way of learning, a way of knowing, a
way of examining seeing the world. Um, and it's more
than you know, a rhetoric, right. And I think the
other reason why we did want to incorporate the idea
of the loca or the woman who's rebelling or is
acting against right, because this idea of like a local
epistemology that we're talking about, I feel like it's super
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prominent throughout like our Latin American folklore. Right, So we
have a lot of example, we talk about the virgin
horre dichotomy a lot, but I think that in addition
we can add another layer that there's also this kind
of like mental health dichotomy too. So either your well
behaved on the straight and narrow and you're on the
virgin side of that dichotomy, or you're all you're on
the horse side of that dichotomy. And that also can
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mean that you're also the loca. Right. So it's kind
of a swift transition too. For some of us were
not allowed a gray area. Right, Either you're behaving and
you're doing what is expected, or you're not. There's no
in between. There's no in between. Yes, So I want
to talk a little bit about our subtitle, Yeah, the
Mommy's of myth and bullshit. So I guess patron saint
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of Chingas. And I'm also going to say patron Saint
of Locas is santras Um and the mommy is of
myth and bullshit. That is from her poem loose Woman. Uh.
Something that I love about Santracy Settle's and that she
makes it so clear and all of her writing, in
all of her interviews, is that she is a woman
of her own. She said, like, I am nobody's mother
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and I'm nobody's wife, and that is her own way
of being. Um So in many ways she can be
considered a look up. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And I
think that when we say local epistemology, so so this
is somebody who fits in who has contributed to the epistemology,
just like and sometimes are like our patron saints, right,
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our locals. Maybe they didn't contribute to the epistemology willingly,
but they were thrown into it somehow. Like you think
about maybe like Laurona, Right, that's a local who historically
we hear about her as a Loca. Right, she is
a tale that folklore that cautionary to tell us, like
we're supposed to be afraid of her, right right. But
it's like you know what situation was she put up
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against that drove her to behave the way that she did,
that drove her to become this eternally sad woman, right,
eternally like generation after generation, it was probably right, a
lot of pressure, a lot of layers of oppression, a
lot of violence, a lot of depression. We can see
that even with La Right and how she is in
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some community, she's glorified. In some communities she's like the ultimate. Yeah,
she's La Loca. Also, um, there's there's so many historical
layers and keeping in mind Right and keeping in mind
that La Malie show, we have to unpack that legend
around her and understand is there a survivor dynamic there? Also,
because if you're talking about Mohet, an indigenous woman interacting
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with colonizers, there's a power differential there, you know, So
what was she drove? What drove her to do what
she did. It's so easy to just villainize her and
say that she's the trader, as opposed to seeing her
perhaps as a survivor of layers and layers of violence,
of colonialism, of patriarchy, of this you know, this gender dichotomy.
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Um in in her story right, right, right, the race dichotomy,
there's so many, so many, and she's not humanized at all.
She's just a legend or she's a folklore. She's a
figure in history that we just see her as a trader.
She loca. Yeah. Absolutely. And then and then the woman
who maybe into her, you know, getting older, reaching certain
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milestones where she's expected maybe to get married or to
live with a man, or to start a family, she
chooses not to, right. She um always talks about how
she moved out of her father's house or moved out
of her parents house. Um, she was not married. She
left to go to the university, you know, her career,
her art, and that that hasn't hadn't been done before. Um.
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And she I want to say she was the only
girl in her family, like she only had brothers, like,
but I do know that she was the first one
to leave without being married. Right, And that is a
thing that was a thing, and it's it's still a
same thing. Oh yeah, there's still the expectation that And
it's so interesting to me because I've been thinking about
this a lot, Like in my brain, I've been going
over this because it's the sort of double edged like
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issue and blessing right, because Okay, you're expected to stay
home because that's what's done until you get married and
then you leave the house. Right and I live with
my entire family, were three generations right in one house,
which I love. It's beautiful. It's a lot of love,
and you know, it's a lot because it's a lot
of people. But I'm like, okay, this is the issue
I think that we do that that we expect girls
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to stay home until they they are in the hands
of another man, right until they get married, and then
they kind of someone else will take care of someone
else will take care of them. So there's that history
behind that. Then there's this issue of well, we really
can't afford to be renting all over the place because
look at where we're at. You cannot live in l A. No,
it's impass like unaffordable housing doesn't. And even even for
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people like us, like we have degrees, that's just degrees.
I work a full time, I cannot move out. No,
I can't move out. So it's also this like social
and economic and racial pressure because think about where we live.
Can I tell can we stay home? Trying to have
a sex life when you live at home. It's hard, right,
So even like wanting to have like a healthy sex life,
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like you can't talk about it because there's so much
shame in it, so much we like, we love sex,
we love talking years old, like I am a wrong woman,
should be expected that I have sex, right, um, But
even just like wanting to talk about it that you
don't talk about you don't to talk about sex with
your mama, Yeah, exactly exactly, And so it's kind of
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this bind where it's like I want to live a
full adult life. I feel that I should be able to,
But does being with my family mean that I can't
live a full adult life? Yeah, that I can really
do what I want, right, And so I'm staying home,
which is a blessing because I have somewhere to live
gran like who holds it down? But it's kind of
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this like, Okay, I'm staying at home a because I
want to, because I let my family be, because it's
what's expected of all of us, right generation after generation,
and see, because I can't afford anything else. So we
do it as also like a survival you know, tactic,
and and a safety measure as well. I feel safer
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if I'm around people that I know, right, that's just
for me. That's my comfort is I can reach out
to somebody absolutely, you know. So yeah, I don't know
how we got into that topic we were talking about.
Because she left, she left, she left. That is okay,
you know, but but it's interesting too because to be
very honest with you, I really don't know any Latinos
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are like people of color that are from Los Angeles
that like don't live with their parents their family, and
count on my hand how many people like don't live
at home. It's it's not a lot. It's not a lot.
It's not a lot. I know a lot of white
people my aim who started living on their own years ago,
right and having their own apartments. But those people had
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lots of economic health a lot. They're not getting their
own rent. Yeah, I don't know anyone that's like in
their early to mid twenties even late twenties that live
alone or you don't have roommates, like I feel like
that is very rare. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh my god,
I was just in New York visiting my friends. Shout
out Lorianne. Hey, hey girl, I was in New York
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visiting my friends from college and um, I want to
shout all of them out, but we only have a
you know, a certain number of minutes on this podcast.
But over there too, all of my my friends who
are women of color, who are Latinos, who are are black,
who are you know, working, who have degrees, working full time,
and everybody's over there five roommates, you know, in an apartment.
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That is not a way to live. That's not a
way to live. But that's how we reality. That's our reality.
That's how we have to live. It's a survival tactic.
It's a survival tactic. But I think it's also a
beautiful thing that we are able to live in community.
You know, Like, yes, you're like community rich, right, your
resource rich because of your community. Yeah, not because you
have these resources that like the city is funding, right
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anything like that, But we're community rich or resource which
because of our community. As No, and even like in
speaking of community, we can talk about community online even
which is a big thing for us. That is a
huge thing. Maybe we should like keep it limited because
I know we want to say that Ford. Right, let's
go back to our local pistemology. Um, and we have
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some and this is going to be a recurring a
recurring segment loci pistemology. So maybe not every every couple
might not include a local ee pistemology. Um, we might
switch it out with a different um, some different content, right,
a different segment um, but to kind of ground us
in an idea, right or what isn't it? What is
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a local pistemology? Like Sandra is definitely one of the
four mothers who kind of like contributed to the cannon,
I would say, yeah. And one thing that I love
about one of the many things I love about Sandra
is that she there there's not that many writers like her.
You know, she is a prolific writer. She um owns,
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but she she owns her craft, you know, and we
don't really have that many people that we can look
up to in that way, right right. I do love
how Like now on social media, I am seeing so
many like young like women of color, like poets and
authors and like writers. And I am seeing a lot
of Latinas, a lot of Afro Latinas, um, women of
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the African diaspora from a lot of different backgrounds really
creating literature like writing. Like I see like a generation
of writers and I think it's so dope, Like I
love it because we always want to see, you know,
women of color thriving in every capacity, but especially in
those areas where like growing up, we were starving for more,
striving for more, and we were only taught a certain
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type of writer, right and having I think that's why
a house, the house on Mango Street is I keep
it at work with me and so popular. Like no,
Santa Sinos has amazing work. So that is not like
her only book, you know. So you know, if you
want to read something else by Sunda Snidle's definitely pick
up something else, um, because that is not her only work,
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but it's definitely like attributed as like her her really
big successful piece. And I think that was the first
time where she will she wanted to write about the
house that looks like hers, right, and she's like, I
have never read about a house that looks like mine,
you know. Um. So I think that's what's so powerful
about it and what we can see with poets on
Instagram or Twitter that they are actually creating, but they're
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carving out space for women or for folks like them,
absolutely and actually content that like speaks to like a
very an actual reality for us like leave it to
beaver is not reality and I'm not interested. There is
not reality. Also, Shakespeare talked about crazy making talk about
like like all the women in his place, like it's horrible.
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I remember I went, Okay, I did study. I studied
abroad in London when I was in school, and I
was there for a year and it was a dope experience.
When day we will talk about like traveling, we'll talk
about our travels and stuff. Um. But they took us
to um the Globe theater right to go see Taming
of the True Okay, oh my gosh, I know. And
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by the time, and to be very honest with you,
I don't think I had ever read Taming of the Shrew.
I mean, in high school they made us read Hamlet
and all the other you know, everyone you had that
I had the cannon, right, the white ciss head patriarchal
cannon that everybody falls over themselves for Shakespeare and just
are very defensive of him. So I did not really
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know what Taming of the Shrew was. By the end,
everybody was like, oh my god, you know, fabulous theater, incredible.
I got out and I was there with my friend
Lauria and with my homegirl, we thought I was like
Lauria and like what we just saw was so abusive,
like like he really the Taming of the Shrew basically
like beating down, wearing down, grooming this bitch right who
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was out of control, who was a look a right
in her a white look in her own right. You know,
shout out white look as you're out there. I know
you are. I have a few of my favorite white
ladies out there. You know. We'll shout you guys out
one day, but not right now. It's brown girl. It's
brown girl's time. Um, And that's that's what I wanted
to do. We're keeping brown girl's time here. And look
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at the radio, the brown girl our so um, I'm
like Lorianne. He like just gaslighting the whole time, starving her,
beating her essentially, you know. And by the end, the
climax of the play is she's under control. Now he's
beating her into submission mentally in every other way. I
was like, this is abused, this is ship. I don't
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like this. I don't need this. It's so normalized. Yeah,
so I don't want to read that ship anymore. I
want to read Yes, So let's read. I'm going to
read a few of my favorite lines from Loose Woman. Perfect,
let's do it. Let's get into it the beginning. You know.
I'm just gonna read the first few lines because that
just really sets the tone of Loose Woman. They say
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I'm a beast and feast on it, when all along
I thought that's what a woman was. They say I'm
a bit or, which I've claimed the same and never winced.
That's great. That is one of the most I think,
like we're talking about like Latina literature, like Chicina literature.
That's some iconic ship right there. That is iconic, like legendary,
which bitch, like all these things that we're trying to
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reclaim and that so many of our of the folks
in our in our communities are trying to do right.
Another one that I really like is diamonds and pearls
tumble for my tongue, or toads and serpents, depending on
the mood I'm in. Right, it's not all sweet and honey,
It's often it's not. We have our complexities and okay, okay,
I want to read this next line because I feel
like it ties in because our complexities I think, and
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when we stand up for ourselves and we try to
speak truth to power and we say no and we
said boundaries, right, or when we're victimized, were met with
a lot of anger and hatred. Right. A lot of
times we're like, like, if we're thinking about, like I
always think, try to think from like a survivor centric,
a survivor focused like point of view. Right, that we
see so often that when women, especially women of color,
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especially trying gender women, especially black transgender women, right are
victims that abuse and that pain and and now we're
reaching out for help, is often met with more hatred
and more oppression and more abuse. And we think about
like victim blaming. Right, So when we are being our
complex selves and standing up for ourselves, we often get
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that that backlash and this these lines in Loose Women
really speak to that. Right. The mob arrives with stones
and sticks to maim and lame and do me in
all the same when I opened my mouth, they wobble
like gin. Right. So that's it right there, that we
get attacked so often for just trying to be our
authentic selves. Right, And this is anywhere, like, especially women
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of color, we are fucking harassed for living, for breathing,
for existing, Like, it doesn't matter. You can be outside
on the street, you can be walking to work, you
can be in the can, you go into the store,
or you can be on the fucking internet, and you
will be harassed anywhere for saying your message, for existing,
for first breathing, you know, and talk about crazy making.
I mean, right, I work at a rape crisis center, right,
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So I am dealing with violence against women and children
all day long, right, and trying to provide services and
help and support and counseling and all that good, you know,
vital stuff. So we're I'm doing that all day and
my my female coworkers, right have we've all had the
same experience. I step out the door and then I
get cat called, right just the other day, and it
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happens almost every week now at this point. That and
it's a lot of young women, and it's a lot
of Latinos at work where I work, right, And so
there's a lot of foot traffic because it's in the city,
and so we're getting we're getting harassed on the street.
And then my entire job every day is dealing with abuse, right,
and answering to abuse right, and trying to clean up
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the mess that abuse leaves. So that is really crazy
making too, because it's like, wow, I really can't go
anywhere without having some kind of negative or harmful interactions.
That's what I see. Um yeah, that is so that
is so hard, you know, And that's that's your lived
experience in the so reality, right, And it's true, that's
true for a lot of women, a lot of women,
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for most women. I would say I can definitely relate
to that. You know, I work in the South Bay
and I always joked at my office is my car
because I'm very mobile. I can because I'm a community organizer.
I work in the field. So I will park my
car like blocks away fro where I'm supposed to be
and I'm like, you know, walking, you know, getting to
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my my job, you know, to work with the women,
mainly undocumented immigrant Latina women that I work with, and um,
I will you know, I will be called, I will
be followed, I you know, it's crazy harassed, you know.
And then I get to this like welcoming space with
the senoras that I work with, and I feel like Okay,
I'm comforted and I feel good. And then I step
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out and it's the same thing all over again, you know.
So even walking to my job is like impossible sometimes
and when and it's like this is something that we
can talk about and even even on like the level
of neurobiology, right, and like the way that our bodies
absorbed trauma. If we never feel safe because we never
are safe, Like, what does that do for your psyche?
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What does that do for your mental health, your emotional
well being when you never feel safe, when you're constantly
threatened or you're you're raised to understand that you are
constantly in danger. Right. Little girls are brought up knowing
that that there's somebody out there who wants to do
as harness. Yes, little girls, little girls, Yes, absolutely, And
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that's that's one of the biggest problem I think that
young girls of color. Um, they are really brought to
the maturity quickly, too quickly, too quickly, um, because it's
made known that they cannot dress a certain way. Um,
they cannot be a certain way because themselves, they cannot
be themselves, they cannot be children. Right. And that's one
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of the hardest things I think for me to reflect
on now that you know, as an as an adult,
as a grown woman, you know, seeing like my experience
as a child, and we're having those memories of not
being able to just be a child, right right, No, absolutely,
And so I just wonder, like how much damage that
being in a state of constant fear. And I think
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of refugees, right, and we can talk about how um
war and oppression on all of these things are mental
health issues, are gendered issues, are reproductive issues, Immigration as
a reproductive and mental health issue as well, because I
really I really want to know more about and talk
more about and really like understand how constantly feeling in danger,
(28:35):
never being at peace, never really being able to sleep well,
how that really affects somebody's their long term health, you know.
And so I think that that's another reason why like
young youth of color, especially young women of color, are pathologized,
and how women of color in general are pathologized that oh,
Latinos are crazy, get you a crazy Latina? This and that,
this and that, right, And it's because well, if I
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grew up my entire life kind of with this this
sense of insecurity coming from a lot of different directions,
and I don't have a sense of safety. Yeah, again,
that's crazy making by design by environment right. Yeah, I
love that absolutely. I had something that I was in
a state of all that's like you know right now,
(29:19):
and that was that was great. Um, should we do
a songbreak. Let's do a song break. We need to
like gather recenter after. That's a lot, it's a lot
to unpact and I feel like also also, I just
want to say, if you hear some crying in the background,
it's my puppy. It's he just shout out shut him. Yeah,
(29:42):
I found him on the street, the streets of Pasadena.
But he's aton when he's not with his mom, when
he's not with me, he's upset. He cries. So let's
do a song break and then we'll come back. And
and and and and and friends and and and and
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and and and friends and and and and and and
and um um um um um um um um of
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we believe in I want to say, especially when we're
engaging with really sensitive topics that you know, I can
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only speak to my own experiences and if I am
not able to speak on somebody else's experience, you know,
I'm not going to try and do it because I
don't want to be inaccurate or inauthentic. But if you
feel like there's a topic you want to hear us discuss,
and we want to have guests on the podcast, on
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right because I'm I can't be an expert on anybody
else's reality. UM, And we believe in calling in right
because this we want this to be about learning and
healing and advancing and moving forward and loving each other,
not tearing each other down. So I personally don't tolerate
like hate culture that we live in, Like it's so toxic,
(32:23):
it can be very toxic. I think sometimes it does
have to happen. It's important. Um it does. But I
think that what I would hope for is for like
a call in culture where we're Okay, let's talk about this,
let's explore, let's unpack, let's learn, and let's grow, let's evolved. Definitely,
Like remember that we are two women of color, you know,
that are creating art and like trying to carve out
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space for folks like us so they can experience can
relate to our experiences. Um So keep that in mind
that we're human. We're human. I have feelings. I'm a ciona. Absolutely,
I'm very sensitive. You know. It's so let's let's let's
be gentle with one another. That like that is a
theme that I think we will probably carry throughout Gentle Podcast. Gentlemen,
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is healing this non linear healing that we keep talking
about you yeah, absolutely absolutely, and um so yeah, So
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We are live. Hello, Welcome to Locata Radio. I am
theos f M and I'm Malamunos. Welcome. Thanks for tuning in.
So we're just gonna start today with a little background
of or an introduction of who we are, UM, what
this podcast is about, and thanks for tuning in. Thanks
for tuning in. This is so this is our first recording,
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our first episode for local radio. Yes, so do you
want to Mala? Do you want to start with talking
about who you are what you're about? Yes? Thank you. So.
UM I'm malam Yos and I'm an l A Native.
I am a rape crisis counselor advocate. UM, I'm a
crisis counselor. UM, I'm Adan Sante. Um, I'm a looka.
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I'm a crazy bitch. I'm an activist, a feminist, and
I also UM I write. I write about women of
color artists, especially women who are working in Los Angeles,
Las Rene right of Southern California. So I've written for
UM the Vibe Viva section for Vibe magazine online, and
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I've written about um Yes, which is a wonderful friend
of ours, incredible move head, incredible chinna activist, poet. I've
written about Monica kim Garza UM incredible painter. And then
I did a feature on sand Juan Um, amazing muralist,
UH street artist and entrepreneur. So that's a little bit
(01:57):
about who I am. So, uh Yosa, can you introduce
yourself to our listeners and let the world know who
you are? So? I am a queer firm, queer high
firm from Southeast l A. I'm a community organizer in
the South Bay. UM. I work for a nonprofit. UM.
I love makeup, I love tattoos, anything that's like fem centered,
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our music, UM, and definitely intersectional feminism and activism, which
is actually what brought us together, one of the many
things that brought us together. UM. I'm also here for
like nonlinear healing, you know, I feel like that is
so prominent in our communities right now. It's like the
communities I'm involved in. UM. That is like the talk
right like healing and like being brus kind of like
(02:45):
reclaiming all these terms, you know, and being like in
tune or repairing these like lost connections to like we
were talking about this the other day, to like indigenous spirituality,
like Afro Indigenous spirituality. UM from our different like Latinum
Akin and US Latino context, how we like retain different things.
And yeah, so I think that all that all has
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to do with that what you're talking about nonlinear healing. Yes,
so yeah, I love like I feel like I'm involved
in a lot of different things in l a UM,
one of them being UM shot Me Viva. So I
want to give a shout out to shot Me Viva.
We're actually recording here UM at the shop. So they
are on Highland Park. Um, they're in Highland Park on
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York and Avenue fifty two. I think you should definitely
check them out if you're not in the area, it's
worth the drive. You can order from them online. UM,
so quick shout out to knowed dom in Adrianna from
the shop for letting us use this space. UM, I
love it. They're like so about community events and community work.
They you brought up yes and two weeks ago the
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two three weeks ago they actually had a chink on
a fire event here at shot Me Viva, which is
so dope. Um, and they also participate in the monthly
Northeast l A art Walk, So shout out to shop
me Vida follow them on Instagram. They're super dope. You
will not regret it. And the shop itself is just
so dope. Like it's such a cool space, Like you
walk in and your eyes immediately like drawn in all
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these different directions, all the art, the chin esthetics. I
love it. It's just I feel like I'm getting my
life completely like in many different ways. Yes, definitely, yes.
So hopefully we'll be recording from here more often. M Yeah,
this hopefully can be like our hub before. Yes. Um,
(04:33):
So let's talk about our name now local radio. Officially
we are local Radio Mommies of myth and bullshit. So
let's can you tell me a little bit about where
that came from? What inspired it? Yeah, So I think
part of it was like we were looking for a
name and identity that really was intersectional and that it
(04:54):
really just spoke to like experience, I think, um, in
like an honest way. And so we were honestly just
doing like word searches and trying to get inspired by like, Okay,
what are some phrases like in Spanish that are like
really well known that we could flip a phrase right
and then people will understand that the the origin. And
(05:14):
we were just like throwing out like okay, these are
words that I like, these are words that sound interesting,
getting our juices flowing. And then okay, look right is
a radio host and and just thinking about us and
what we talk about and this idea of nonlinear healing, Well,
what are we healing from? Right? Like this ridiculous like
like like oppressive in a lot of ways, like complicated
(05:39):
world that we live in, and it's like a crazy
making deem does look us does look as constantly for anything,
for everything. So it just made sense to Okay, so
we're a couple of lookers on the radio, look at
a radio. There we go at the end, um, I
think something that you and I have we kind of
came up with a definition for like what is alka,
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right said a looka as anybody who does not conform
to what is expected of her absolutely and in like
a Latino context. I think loca has its own kind
of connotation and origins that is different and separate from
the term crazy in English. I think that the way
that the term loca is ascribed in like Latino communities
and households has like it's specific because a loca could
(06:22):
be like a term of endearment, like a good thing. Right,
if you're a loca, you're you're that that woman that
you don't give a yeah at the party's like dropping
it drinking, doesn't give a funk, Like, yeah, that's a loca.
You could just be living your life, getting your life,
and it could be kind of you know, that's just
that's just how you're living. But then the loca can
also be like the girl who she's living her life
(06:44):
differently than her grandmother lived her life. Right, she's the
look as she's crazy, or the survivor, right, the survivor
of sexual violence of domestic violence often has that that
label that she's she's she's loca. She made she made
it up. You know you can't believe her. Um. So
I think just like because we exist in this environment
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that like we're expected to act normally, but then we're
living in like sometimes really ridiculous conditions, that's crazy making
that's look I'm making right there. That's so like, yeah,
I think what you're saying to about like not believing
what the loca says like that, it's so near and
dear to my heart, being a survivor of many multiple
layers of violence, right, Um, being a woman of color,
I know we can both relate to what being a
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loca is and like how a lot of it is
like crazy making. I love how you said that, um,
because a lot of it we were made to be
crazy in a way, we're made to be a loca. UM.
So I think first before we proceed, we definitely want
to recognize that we are reclaiming the term loca. We
understand it's historical violence, it's implications, um, and it's stigma
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with mental health. So by and no means are we
trying to take away um from that. But for us,
we're definitely it's personal, it's political reclaiming it, it's and
it's I think it has a lot to do with
survival and just owning that. Well. The the reality is
is that you and I both in our own separate
you know, worlds and communities and environments like have each
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dealt with, you know, mental health issues and concerns and
growing up in environments where you know, not maybe not
intentionally done, but you're faced with a lot of patriarchy
and Machi's more right, and and and fat shaming and
sledge shaming. So you know what does that create? That
creates an environment where you have young girls who are
(08:31):
now dealing with eating disorders for ten years at a time, right,
and and who deal with anxiety and depression on and
off and can't talk about it, can't talk about it,
don't have anything to be depressed about, right, you don't
have anything to be anxious about. Yeah, you're just being
a Look at you're making it right, right? Right? So
I reclaim that term because that is what I am,
because I have dealt with these things, right, So I'm
(08:53):
not gonna be letting that word now have that negative
weight to it. I would rather take that negative off
of it and be like, Yeah, this is what I live,
this is what I deal with, and this is who
I am, and it's not my fault necessarily, but I
have to make the best of it. Right. Um, that's
a really good transition into this episode that we are
calling local epistemology, right. So, uh, an epistemology is a
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is a way of learning, a way of knowing, a
way of examining seeing the world. Um, and it's more
than you know, a rhetoric, right. And I think the
other reason why we did want to incorporate the idea
of the loca or the woman who's rebelling or is
acting against right, because this idea of like a local
epistemology that we're talking about, I feel like it's super
(09:38):
prominent throughout like our Latin American folklore. Right, So we
have a lot of example, we talk about the virgin
horre dichotomy a lot, but I think that in addition
we can add another layer that there's also this kind
of like mental health dichotomy too. So either your well
behaved on the straight and narrow and you're on the
virgin side of that dichotomy, or you're all you're on
the horse side of that dichotomy. And that also can
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mean that you're also the loca. Right. So it's kind
of a swift transition too. For some of us were
not allowed a gray area. Right, Either you're behaving and
you're doing what is expected, or you're not. There's no
in between. There's no in between. Yes, So I want
to talk a little bit about our subtitle, Yeah, the
Mommy's of myth and bullshit. So I guess patron saint
(10:21):
of Chingas. And I'm also going to say patron Saint
of Locas is santras Um and the mommy is of
myth and bullshit. That is from her poem loose Woman. Uh.
Something that I love about Santracy Settle's and that she
makes it so clear and all of her writing, in
all of her interviews, is that she is a woman
of her own. She said, like, I am nobody's mother
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and I'm nobody's wife, and that is her own way
of being. Um So in many ways she can be
considered a look up. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And I
think that when we say local epistemology, so so this
is somebody who fits in who has contributed to the epistemology,
just like and sometimes are like our patron saints, right,
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our locals. Maybe they didn't contribute to the epistemology willingly,
but they were thrown into it somehow. Like you think
about maybe like Laurona, Right, that's a local who historically
we hear about her as a Loca. Right, she is
a tale that folklore that cautionary to tell us, like
we're supposed to be afraid of her, right right. But
it's like you know what situation was she put up
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against that drove her to behave the way that she did,
that drove her to become this eternally sad woman, right,
eternally like generation after generation, it was probably right, a
lot of pressure, a lot of layers of oppression, a
lot of violence, a lot of depression. We can see
that even with La Right and how she is in
(11:47):
some community, she's glorified. In some communities she's like the ultimate. Yeah,
she's La Loca. Also, um, there's there's so many historical
layers and keeping in mind Right and keeping in mind
that La Malie show, we have to unpack that legend
around her and understand is there a survivor dynamic there? Also,
because if you're talking about Mohet, an indigenous woman interacting
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with colonizers, there's a power differential there, you know, So
what was she drove? What drove her to do what
she did. It's so easy to just villainize her and
say that she's the trader, as opposed to seeing her
perhaps as a survivor of layers and layers of violence,
of colonialism, of patriarchy, of this you know, this gender dichotomy.
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Um in in her story right, right, right, the race dichotomy,
there's so many, so many, and she's not humanized at all.
She's just a legend or she's a folklore. She's a
figure in history that we just see her as a trader.
She loca. Yeah. Absolutely. And then and then the woman
who maybe into her, you know, getting older, reaching certain
(12:57):
milestones where she's expected maybe to get married or to
live with a man, or to start a family, she
chooses not to, right. She um always talks about how
she moved out of her father's house or moved out
of her parents house. Um, she was not married. She
left to go to the university, you know, her career,
her art, and that that hasn't hadn't been done before. Um.
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And she I want to say she was the only
girl in her family, like she only had brothers, like,
but I do know that she was the first one
to leave without being married. Right, And that is a
thing that was a thing, and it's it's still a
same thing. Oh yeah, there's still the expectation that And
it's so interesting to me because I've been thinking about
this a lot, Like in my brain, I've been going
over this because it's the sort of double edged like
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issue and blessing right, because Okay, you're expected to stay
home because that's what's done until you get married and
then you leave the house. Right and I live with
my entire family, were three generations right in one house,
which I love. It's beautiful. It's a lot of love,
and you know, it's a lot because it's a lot
of people. But I'm like, okay, this is the issue
I think that we do that that we expect girls
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to stay home until they they are in the hands
of another man, right until they get married, and then
they kind of someone else will take care of someone
else will take care of them. So there's that history
behind that. Then there's this issue of well, we really
can't afford to be renting all over the place because
look at where we're at. You cannot live in l A. No,
it's impass like unaffordable housing doesn't. And even even for
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people like us, like we have degrees, that's just degrees.
I work a full time, I cannot move out. No,
I can't move out. So it's also this like social
and economic and racial pressure because think about where we live.
Can I tell can we stay home? Trying to have
a sex life when you live at home. It's hard, right,
So even like wanting to have like a healthy sex life,
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like you can't talk about it because there's so much
shame in it, so much we like, we love sex,
we love talking years old, like I am a wrong woman,
should be expected that I have sex, right, um, But
even just like wanting to talk about it that you
don't talk about you don't to talk about sex with
your mama, Yeah, exactly exactly, And so it's kind of
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this bind where it's like I want to live a
full adult life. I feel that I should be able to,
But does being with my family mean that I can't
live a full adult life? Yeah, that I can really
do what I want, right, And so I'm staying home,
which is a blessing because I have somewhere to live
gran like who holds it down? But it's kind of
(15:34):
this like, Okay, I'm staying at home a because I
want to, because I let my family be, because it's
what's expected of all of us, right generation after generation,
and see, because I can't afford anything else. So we
do it as also like a survival you know, tactic,
and and a safety measure as well. I feel safer
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if I'm around people that I know, right, that's just
for me. That's my comfort is I can reach out
to somebody absolutely, you know. So yeah, I don't know
how we got into that topic we were talking about.
Because she left, she left, she left. That is okay,
you know, but but it's interesting too because to be
very honest with you, I really don't know any Latinos
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are like people of color that are from Los Angeles
that like don't live with their parents their family, and
count on my hand how many people like don't live
at home. It's it's not a lot. It's not a lot.
It's not a lot. I know a lot of white
people my aim who started living on their own years ago,
right and having their own apartments. But those people had
(16:35):
lots of economic health a lot. They're not getting their
own rent. Yeah, I don't know anyone that's like in
their early to mid twenties even late twenties that live
alone or you don't have roommates, like I feel like
that is very rare. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh my god,
I was just in New York visiting my friends. Shout
out Lorianne. Hey, hey girl, I was in New York
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visiting my friends from college and um, I want to
shout all of them out, but we only have a
you know, a certain number of minutes on this podcast.
But over there too, all of my my friends who
are women of color, who are Latinos, who are are black,
who are you know, working, who have degrees, working full time,
and everybody's over there five roommates, you know, in an apartment.
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That is not a way to live. That's not a
way to live. But that's how we reality. That's our reality.
That's how we have to live. It's a survival tactic.
It's a survival tactic. But I think it's also a
beautiful thing that we are able to live in community.
You know, Like, yes, you're like community rich, right, your
resource rich because of your community. Yeah, not because you
have these resources that like the city is funding, right
(17:42):
anything like that, But we're community rich or resource which
because of our community. As No, and even like in
speaking of community, we can talk about community online even
which is a big thing for us. That is a
huge thing. Maybe we should like keep it limited because
I know we want to say that Ford. Right, let's
go back to our local pistemology. Um, and we have
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some and this is going to be a recurring a
recurring segment loci pistemology. So maybe not every every couple
might not include a local ee pistemology. Um, we might
switch it out with a different um, some different content, right,
a different segment um, but to kind of ground us
in an idea, right or what isn't it? What is
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a local pistemology? Like Sandra is definitely one of the
four mothers who kind of like contributed to the cannon,
I would say, yeah. And one thing that I love
about one of the many things I love about Sandra
is that she there there's not that many writers like her.
You know, she is a prolific writer. She um owns,
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but she she owns her craft, you know, and we
don't really have that many people that we can look
up to in that way, right right. I do love
how Like now on social media, I am seeing so
many like young like women of color, like poets and
authors and like writers. And I am seeing a lot
of Latinas, a lot of Afro Latinas, um, women of
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the African diaspora from a lot of different backgrounds really
creating literature like writing. Like I see like a generation
of writers and I think it's so dope, Like I
love it because we always want to see, you know,
women of color thriving in every capacity, but especially in
those areas where like growing up, we were starving for more,
striving for more, and we were only taught a certain
(19:30):
type of writer, right and having I think that's why
a house, the house on Mango Street is I keep
it at work with me and so popular. Like no,
Santa Sinos has amazing work. So that is not like
her only book, you know. So you know, if you
want to read something else by Sunda Snidle's definitely pick
up something else, um, because that is not her only work,
(19:53):
but it's definitely like attributed as like her her really
big successful piece. And I think that was the first
time where she will she wanted to write about the
house that looks like hers, right, and she's like, I
have never read about a house that looks like mine,
you know. Um. So I think that's what's so powerful
about it and what we can see with poets on
Instagram or Twitter that they are actually creating, but they're
(20:16):
carving out space for women or for folks like them,
absolutely and actually content that like speaks to like a
very an actual reality for us like leave it to
beaver is not reality and I'm not interested. There is
not reality. Also, Shakespeare talked about crazy making talk about
like like all the women in his place, like it's horrible.
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I remember I went, Okay, I did study. I studied
abroad in London when I was in school, and I
was there for a year and it was a dope experience.
When day we will talk about like traveling, we'll talk
about our travels and stuff. Um. But they took us
to um the Globe theater right to go see Taming
of the True Okay, oh my gosh, I know. And
(21:00):
by the time, and to be very honest with you,
I don't think I had ever read Taming of the Shrew.
I mean, in high school they made us read Hamlet
and all the other you know, everyone you had that
I had the cannon, right, the white ciss head patriarchal
cannon that everybody falls over themselves for Shakespeare and just
are very defensive of him. So I did not really
(21:22):
know what Taming of the Shrew was. By the end,
everybody was like, oh my god, you know, fabulous theater, incredible.
I got out and I was there with my friend
Lauria and with my homegirl, we thought I was like
Lauria and like what we just saw was so abusive,
like like he really the Taming of the Shrew basically
like beating down, wearing down, grooming this bitch right who
(21:47):
was out of control, who was a look a right
in her a white look in her own right. You know,
shout out white look as you're out there. I know
you are. I have a few of my favorite white
ladies out there. You know. We'll shout you guys out
one day, but not right now. It's brown girl. It's
brown girl's time. Um, And that's that's what I wanted
to do. We're keeping brown girl's time here. And look
(22:08):
at the radio, the brown girl our so um, I'm
like Lorianne. He like just gaslighting the whole time, starving her,
beating her essentially, you know. And by the end, the
climax of the play is she's under control. Now he's
beating her into submission mentally in every other way. I
was like, this is abused, this is ship. I don't
(22:30):
like this. I don't need this. It's so normalized. Yeah,
so I don't want to read that ship anymore. I
want to read Yes, So let's read. I'm going to
read a few of my favorite lines from Loose Woman. Perfect,
let's do it. Let's get into it the beginning. You know.
I'm just gonna read the first few lines because that
just really sets the tone of Loose Woman. They say
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I'm a beast and feast on it, when all along
I thought that's what a woman was. They say I'm
a bit or, which I've claimed the same and never winced.
That's great. That is one of the most I think,
like we're talking about like Latina literature, like Chicina literature.
That's some iconic ship right there. That is iconic, like legendary,
which bitch, like all these things that we're trying to
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reclaim and that so many of our of the folks
in our in our communities are trying to do right.
Another one that I really like is diamonds and pearls
tumble for my tongue, or toads and serpents, depending on
the mood I'm in. Right, it's not all sweet and honey,
It's often it's not. We have our complexities and okay, okay,
I want to read this next line because I feel
like it ties in because our complexities I think, and
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when we stand up for ourselves and we try to
speak truth to power and we say no and we
said boundaries, right, or when we're victimized, were met with
a lot of anger and hatred. Right. A lot of
times we're like, like, if we're thinking about, like I
always think, try to think from like a survivor centric,
a survivor focused like point of view. Right, that we
see so often that when women, especially women of color,
(23:59):
especially trying gender women, especially black transgender women, right are
victims that abuse and that pain and and now we're
reaching out for help, is often met with more hatred
and more oppression and more abuse. And we think about
like victim blaming. Right, So when we are being our
complex selves and standing up for ourselves, we often get
(24:19):
that that backlash and this these lines in Loose Women
really speak to that. Right. The mob arrives with stones
and sticks to maim and lame and do me in
all the same when I opened my mouth, they wobble
like gin. Right. So that's it right there, that we
get attacked so often for just trying to be our
authentic selves. Right, And this is anywhere, like, especially women
(24:43):
of color, we are fucking harassed for living, for breathing,
for existing, Like, it doesn't matter. You can be outside
on the street, you can be walking to work, you
can be in the can, you go into the store,
or you can be on the fucking internet, and you
will be harassed anywhere for saying your message, for existing,
for first breathing, you know, and talk about crazy making.
I mean, right, I work at a rape crisis center, right,
(25:05):
So I am dealing with violence against women and children
all day long, right, and trying to provide services and
help and support and counseling and all that good, you know,
vital stuff. So we're I'm doing that all day and
my my female coworkers, right have we've all had the
same experience. I step out the door and then I
get cat called, right just the other day, and it
(25:25):
happens almost every week now at this point. That and
it's a lot of young women, and it's a lot
of Latinos at work where I work, right, And so
there's a lot of foot traffic because it's in the city,
and so we're getting we're getting harassed on the street.
And then my entire job every day is dealing with abuse, right,
and answering to abuse right, and trying to clean up
(25:47):
the mess that abuse leaves. So that is really crazy
making too, because it's like, wow, I really can't go
anywhere without having some kind of negative or harmful interactions.
That's what I see. Um yeah, that is so that
is so hard, you know, And that's that's your lived
experience in the so reality, right, And it's true, that's
true for a lot of women, a lot of women,
(26:08):
for most women. I would say I can definitely relate
to that. You know, I work in the South Bay
and I always joked at my office is my car
because I'm very mobile. I can because I'm a community organizer.
I work in the field. So I will park my
car like blocks away fro where I'm supposed to be
and I'm like, you know, walking, you know, getting to
(26:28):
my my job, you know, to work with the women,
mainly undocumented immigrant Latina women that I work with, and um,
I will you know, I will be called, I will
be followed, I you know, it's crazy harassed, you know.
And then I get to this like welcoming space with
the senoras that I work with, and I feel like Okay,
I'm comforted and I feel good. And then I step
(26:49):
out and it's the same thing all over again, you know.
So even walking to my job is like impossible sometimes
and when and it's like this is something that we
can talk about and even even on like the level
of neurobiology, right, and like the way that our bodies
absorbed trauma. If we never feel safe because we never
are safe, Like, what does that do for your psyche?
(27:10):
What does that do for your mental health, your emotional
well being when you never feel safe, when you're constantly
threatened or you're you're raised to understand that you are
constantly in danger. Right. Little girls are brought up knowing
that that there's somebody out there who wants to do
as harness. Yes, little girls, little girls, Yes, absolutely, And
(27:31):
that's that's one of the biggest problem I think that
young girls of color. Um, they are really brought to
the maturity quickly, too quickly, too quickly, um, because it's
made known that they cannot dress a certain way. Um,
they cannot be a certain way because themselves, they cannot
be themselves, they cannot be children. Right. And that's one
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of the hardest things I think for me to reflect
on now that you know, as an as an adult,
as a grown woman, you know, seeing like my experience
as a child, and we're having those memories of not
being able to just be a child, right right, No, absolutely,
And so I just wonder, like how much damage that
being in a state of constant fear. And I think
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of refugees, right, and we can talk about how um
war and oppression on all of these things are mental
health issues, are gendered issues, are reproductive issues, Immigration as
a reproductive and mental health issue as well, because I
really I really want to know more about and talk
more about and really like understand how constantly feeling in danger,
(28:35):
never being at peace, never really being able to sleep well,
how that really affects somebody's their long term health, you know.
And so I think that that's another reason why like
young youth of color, especially young women of color, are pathologized,
and how women of color in general are pathologized that oh,
Latinos are crazy, get you a crazy Latina? This and that,
this and that, right, And it's because well, if I
(28:58):
grew up my entire life kind of with this this
sense of insecurity coming from a lot of different directions,
and I don't have a sense of safety. Yeah, again,
that's crazy making by design by environment right. Yeah, I
love that absolutely. I had something that I was in
a state of all that's like you know right now,
(29:19):
and that was that was great. Um, should we do
a songbreak. Let's do a song break. We need to
like gather recenter after. That's a lot, it's a lot
to unpact and I feel like also also, I just
want to say, if you hear some crying in the background,
it's my puppy. It's he just shout out shut him. Yeah,
(29:42):
I found him on the street, the streets of Pasadena.
But he's aton when he's not with his mom, when
he's not with me, he's upset. He cries. So let's
do a song break and then we'll come back. And
and and and and and friends and and and and
(30:08):
and and and friends and and and and and and
and um um um um um um um um of
(30:35):
it and ship so um. If you want to hear
more episodes of Local Radio, hosted by Theos FM and Malmnos,
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(31:00):
Twitter and we're gonna be postings our episodes on SoundCloud
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That's where you can find us, and we'll be posting
content on Instagram in between episodes. And if there's a
topic that you want to hear about, let us know,
comment and you can d m us um, let us
(31:20):
know if there's something that you loved or something that
maybe you want to know more about. Questions people are.
We want to be like as accountable, as like transparent
as as possible, you know, so yeah, definitely yeah, And
we believe in I want to say, especially when we're
engaging with really sensitive topics that you know, I can
(31:41):
only speak to my own experiences and if I am
not able to speak on somebody else's experience, you know,
I'm not going to try and do it because I
don't want to be inaccurate or inauthentic. But if you
feel like there's a topic you want to hear us discuss,
and we want to have guests on the podcast, on
the on the radio program, we want to have guests
to come and talk about experiences that we don't have
(32:02):
right because I'm I can't be an expert on anybody
else's reality. UM, And we believe in calling in right
because this we want this to be about learning and
healing and advancing and moving forward and loving each other,
not tearing each other down. So I personally don't tolerate
like hate culture that we live in, Like it's so toxic,
(32:23):
it can be very toxic. I think sometimes it does
have to happen. It's important. Um it does. But I
think that what I would hope for is for like
a call in culture where we're Okay, let's talk about this,
let's explore, let's unpack, let's learn, and let's grow, let's evolved. Definitely,
Like remember that we are two women of color, you know,
that are creating art and like trying to carve out
(32:45):
space for folks like us so they can experience can
relate to our experiences. Um So keep that in mind
that we're human. We're human. I have feelings. I'm a ciona. Absolutely,
I'm very sensitive. You know. It's so let's let's let's
be gentle with one another. That like that is a
theme that I think we will probably carry throughout Gentle Podcast. Gentlemen,
(33:08):
is healing this non linear healing that we keep talking
about you yeah, absolutely absolutely, and um so yeah, So
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