January 15, 2018 • 36 mins
Bienvenidxs to Season 2 of Locatora Radio. For la segunda temporada, las Locatoras, Diosa & Mala, introduce a new segment, discuss their 2018 new rules, & review and expand on a listener fave: Loca Epistemologies.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and bullshit radio phonic
novella radio hosted by Malam. Hello, welcome back to local radio.
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Welcome back, look at Motive. This is brown Girl Our
and this is Disa and look at the radio is
a podcast arch having the brilliance and legacies of women
and firms of color. I'm so, so so excited to
finally be back, yes recording, we took a little break
and this is our very first Welcome to season two.
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Welcome to season for all of my novelets out there, right,
we made it host Yes, we made it through season one.
We made it through most important to take us out honestly,
and even like the beginning of has been a little
bit rough, I cannot lie right right, there's been some
stuff going on, but here we are persisting, resisting all
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of those things for us. So we have so many
exciting things coming for I'm so excited to just like
we had, we planted all of our seeds in seventeen right,
so now I'm excited to really watch everything grow cultivate.
We'll started absolutely do like round two of things. This
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for example, we'll get into the topic in a little bit. Um,
but yeah, I mean, I'm just really excited for season two.
It's going to be a fabulous season. It's gonna be
a fabulous year. And this year it's a new year,
and we have new rules, Alla, Dulia, Yes, like for real,
for real, Like we made some changes in seen. I know,
I made a lot of changes in seventeen and I
cut off things that weren't working for me anymore. And
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I'm starting new things and new patterns and a new mindset,
and we have new rules, new rules. I'm not put
up with any bullshit anymore. If I don't want to
do it, I'm not going to do it. I agree,
And that's just how I'm deciding to live my life. Yeah,
And I feel like I'm just so happy with like
the stability of my mental health right now, Like I
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just put so much work with my therapist in so
I just feel like, you know, now when things go wrong,
like I can handle it, as opposed to before it's
like you feel like everything's going to crash around you.
But now I'm like, okay, Like I've made it through
the toughest year of my life thus far. I know
that whatever comes my way, I have like the tools
I need. I have the support system I need. I'm good,
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you know, I love that. Yeah, thank you, I know.
So here's to you know, to you know, being healthy,
growing some wealth, growing some wealth, all kinds of wealth.
You know. Yeah, I'm excited, you know that cash wealth,
but also the spiritual wealth, love and the friendship as
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wealthy seventeen taught me that and that is so real.
We have to prioritize ourselves and our health and our body.
So those are some of our new rules and our
new resolutions for the new year. And you know, speaking
of new things that we're introducing this year, so we're
introducing some new elements, some new segments to look. Yes,
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we're going to be rolling out some segments throughout the year,
but today we have our very first one. Yes, and
you know, usually like when when we work aut Pezza Los,
either it's just you know, Yosa and I talking, talking, talking,
shooting the ship, or we have guests here. But now
we're going to actually implement some new programming to like
diversify a little bit and keep things fun, keep things different.
We are keeping things fresh for y'all. Yes, you know,
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we're trying to be as original as possible. So our
new segment every look. I thought our radio we are
going to be answering listener questions and the name of
our new segment isca Act. And I feel like we
get a lot of the time, but we haven't really
answered it. And I would say that our listeners would
like to know. Okay, what is our beauty and skincare routine? Yes? Important, important,
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very important. So do you want to go first? Yes,
I can go first. Okay, So let me start by
saying that my mom always always taught us to take
care of our skin, even as little girls. She even
wanted us like to start with like night cream and
I cream before we went to bed, so I will
try to always moisturize. I don't really buy as much
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store bought creams as much anymore, but I do, like
I have this jar of like raw cocon and oil
that's actually from Trader Joe's that I love and that
I use as a makeup remover. My mom also always
taught us, like if you have blemishes and things, to
use like half a lemon and rub that on your face.
We we would use a lot of like like like
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food based products, basically fruits and vegetables on our skin
and hair like we would always my mom would have
us do a hair mask of like avocado and olive oil,
sometimes of mayonnaise. These. Um, I've done avocado masks before.
I really like um charcoal masks and the African black
soap masks. Those are really good too. So yeah, a
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variety of things. But I love olive oils are really
good for your hair. I love coconut oils for my skin.
And that's that's what I do. I drink lots of water.
I love water. I drink water all the time. I
don't really drink soda um to balance out all the
alcohol that I drink. Right, So I feel the same way. Yeah,
I would say starting with water is like so important.
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I have this app on my phone. UM, let me
pull it up. What it's called, but it basically allows
me to track my water intake. It's called I Hydrate
and my daily goal is eight ounces and I'm really
good about getting my eight ounces in, so I'm running
to the restroom all the time. But you know, I've
not I've noticed that, like there is a difference in
my skin. UM. When I was in high school, I
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had UM, I had acne. You know, it wasn't too bad.
I think it was just like general like teenage acne.
You know, I still get blemishes here and there, um,
And I think I'm still like self conscious of my
skin because I had acne. But you have great skin,
thank you, thank you. But so I put a lot
of work into my skin. Um. Same with Mama. Use
coconut oil as a makeup remover. I use a pond
the cream cleanser to remove all of my makeup. Um.
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And then also the African Black soap, which Hazel is
the great great I used the like it has. It's
rosen fused. I buy it at Target. I don't know
the name, but it's Witch Hazel. And serums are something
I'm trying to incorporate before you, so you put it
on after your tone or pre Moisturizer. I don't have
one that I like thus far. They're all really expensive,
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so I like do little samples here and there um,
and then moisturizer I just like rotate out. It really
depends on the weather. So I have like my winter
moisturizer my summer moisturizer, so it really depends. Um. But
I would say, like don't sleep with your makeup bottom,
which is sometimes you know, we come home from the cloud.
Sometimes we're guilty of it. I know I'm guilty of it.
Here and there it happens. I know that when I
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could happen, you know, have me after having a few
drinks and I don't want to. What's good to have
is like makeup remover, makeup wipes by your bed, so
I will just take off my makeup and I'm like, Okay,
at least I took off my makeup. I didn't watch
my face, but at least my makeup is off. The
very least. You gotta do that. I try to do
that to take your makeup off before you sleep. Um.
I would also say I struggle with this because I
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go well, this past week, I've been going to the
gym straight from work. So but don't work out with
makeup on. You know. I know people do a full
face furnished I've seen it and like the power to you.
But I know that my skin connot handle sweat and makeup.
You want your skin to also be able to breathe.
You wanted to bring out the makeup are open? Yeah.
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Oh that's the other thing is like I have big
poor so I'm constantly like Bory poor strips, and I'm like,
I like to do a lot of I use the
sat ims, the apricot strap. I know it's harsh on
a lot of people, but for me, the exfliating is
so important, exploating every day every day. Yes, I do
a mask once or twice a week, a sheet mask
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or a clay mask. The Korean sheet masks everything, everything,
and you can get them for cheat you can. Yeah,
and Target even has like their own brand where they're
like two or three dollars for like one sheet mask,
which I know, like if you're buying a couple, that's
a lot, but like here and there, like I really
like to I like to fall asleep with them on,
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especially because they're like serum based, so it's like you're
putting it is like you're putting a serum on your
face or very soothing. Yes, I love them. Yeah. So
that is our first segment of look As, Look As
Are we answering just the one question? Are we going
to answer two questions? Should we do too? We? Should
we do one at the end, We'll do one at
the end. Yeah, okay, fabulous, fabulous, fabulous. Okay, So like
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we this episode, this gut beat, the low. We're getting
into locup Pistemology is part two, yes, um, I think
so look Up Pistemology is part one, like really set
the framework for local radio, right, So since we're beginning
a new year, I want it to be the same,
you know, I wanted to set a framework for where
we're at. You know, check In also expand on like
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our very first concept of local pistemologies. So I'm super
excitedly they were bringing this one back, and that was
the very first radio ever was loc up Pistemologies. So
it's just full circle, full circle. I can't believe that
we're already here, like right, I love that we're able
to do part two of things now, especially because we
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have so much to say about everything. Y'all know this,
If anything, we have more to say than than even before.
I agree. You know that Capitolo is so important because,
like I said, it shapes it really lays the groundwork
for local radio. At the same time, because it was
the first episode, I can't really listen to it because
I'm like, oh, it's like kind of cringe worthy to me,
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only because it's like we were brand new, we were learning,
we didn't really necessarily know about like our sound, our rhythm. Yes, yes,
and I know we did. I feel like in our
very first we did a lot of like talk back
to each other, which is good in a conversation, but
when you're when you're listening to it as someone else,
if you're a listener, right, it's it can be a
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little much. Sure. Um, So I really like that, you
know how much we've grown, how much we've learned. So
I'm really excited that now we can bring this episode
back and you know, we're well season now, so we
have a good s Oh my god, what a throwback back.
That was one of my first Twitter handle. Yes I
was for years. Yes, I know we have. But for
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those of you maybe like and here's the thing is,
we have a lot more listeners now versus when we
recorded the very first look epistemologies, and you know, maybe
a lot of our new listeners haven't necessarily heard all
of our all the way through. So just to recap,
you know, are very first Cupca pistemologies. We talked about
how basically for us we can look at historically, like
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in Latino communities, women survivors, queer folks who have spoken
up against like abuse or powerful men are so often
pathologized and called lokas and crazy and dismissed and oh, Noca,
you know, don't listen to you. We can't listen to her.
She's always, you know, yelling about something. And we want
to reclaim that, right. And you know, Mama and I
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both self identify as locas, which is why we created
a look at our radio, right. And I think you know,
also in addition to Whatmala said, it's also a loca
is someone that goes outside of the norm, right in
many ways. You know, we we moved away from home,
which is outside of the norm, right. We have you know,
very well, not very but we have like we're very
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transferent about our dating lives, right, which is not something
that like a Nina Winna does. Right. We're very real
in that way. So I think that's you know, that's
another way that we try to reclaim and embrace the
term loca, right, and also really looking and revealing, you
know the fact that historically the women that have been
demonizing called called crazy are actually survivors, are actually survivors
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of abuse and survivors of patriarchal violence and you know,
rape culture and sexual assault, and we talked about, for example,
in our first cupola, our first example of the look
on where epistemology can be formed around is a figure
such as La Malinche for example, Right that in our culture,
especially for like Mexicans, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, there's this this
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desire to really talk down about her or she's a trader,
a race trader, when she was really an indigenous woman
who was sexually assaulted and kidnapped and bought and sold.
You know, yeah, I couldn't agree and I echo that sentiment. UM.
So really like reframing and giving power to these survivor narratives, right,
that's what we do on in with this podcast on
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Look at Radio, UM, and it's what we're going to
continue to do in the year. And I mean especially
we you know all we continue to touch upon survivorhood,
survivor narratives, rape culture, sexual violence, especially with everything that's
been going on the disclosures of sexual harassment Hollywood, the
movie industry, film and television. We continue to talk about
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all of this stuff and almost every coup the lot.
But I think today, especially like it's important to kind
of recap of what's been going on, right, and how
women are being treated, how survivors are being treated in
the midst of all of this, you know, yeah, absolutely
so you know, for part two of local Epistemologies, you know,
we want to touch on talk about the with the
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women who have spoken up against powerful men, right, and
we're stigmatized, we're called crazy. Right. This is not something new. Um.
We know that this is what survivors are told, survivors
of abuse, of rape, of domestic violence. Um. And there's
there's also, um I think when you when you do
speak out against violence, there's also a loss that your feeling. Right,
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there's a lots of maybe this narrative you constructed about yourself. Right.
There's also grief involved in the process, which I don't
think we talk a lot about, um, grief itself, that
this thing occurred, that it happened, because I think you
know something that with the victim blaming that goes on
when a survivor tries to disclose like an assault or abuse, right,
This victim blaming like assumes that that there's some type
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of wind here for the survivor and speaking out or
there's something to be gained when they're quite often at
the time is nothing to be gained, right, and it's
a horrible thing to be talking about. It's not something
that's done with like joy. You know, there's joy in
being able to speak up for oneself and to take
up your space again and reclaim your agency. There's joy
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in that, right. But I think so many of the
survivors and a lot of the women in Hollywood right
who have come out talked about what's been going on,
they've been keeping that stuff bottled up for years, right,
you know, while they're in the public eye, we there's
all the other stuff in the background that none of
us knew about really right, right, and knowing that if
they spoke up at the time it would affect their careers, right,
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that their careers would be over, then no one would
want to work with them. So these are things that
women have carried and outside of Hollywood, women do carry
this this shame right that their life is going to
be over. Um, So you know we want to hold
space for that, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. Um, we're going
to bring in a new example today as well, expanding
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the look up pistemologies and who else is doing it?
Who else is creating a look up pistemology? Yes, so
we have an example, actually a South American example, Yes,
we do. We have two South American examples, um SO.
One a few months ago. Um there is an exhibit
that opened up at the Museum of Sex in New
York City and it's called Vita Nila. And the photographer
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artist is named Juan and he's an article, an artist,
a photographer. The photographs trans women in Peru. And what
he does is he makes them, um he photographs them
as as religious icons as Santa's so Vi. Is about
highlighting the marginalization that trans women and leave, specifically in
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Lima face. Um how there's very few resources from them.
How the Catholic Church does everything in its power to
destroy any type of resources that are available to the
trans community in Peru. Um so, in specifically in this uh,
this exhibit, it's about celebrating the beauty in these trans
women in this trans community is specifically in South American Peru.
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Um So, we wanted to talk about that because it's
super powerful. Um A. Gorgeous, They're gorgeous. They're gorgeous. You
have not that, Yes, we will post them. We can
kind of just talk about some of the photos and
kind of describe them. Yeah. Absolutely, So one that's really
beautiful is three women, um that are one one woman
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is like sitting on a throw own and she is
like adorned with with a veil, and then there are
two women sitting beneath her that are also wearing crowns,
also adorned, and they're just really like just striking a pose.
It's like a holy trinity, and they're wearing blue and
soft blues and whites, and it's very beautiful. Yes, they're
very ethereal, these photos, very ethereal, very otherworldly, but there's
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this mixture of like chaos that goes on. Like in
this photo that you're showing, there's like a naked mouhe
sitting in the middle of a room and there's a
bunch of chairs surrounding her and they're kind of topsy
turvy and on top of each other and pointing in
different directions. Yeah. And I think that it's important to
talk about the trans community specifically when we're talking about locupistemologies,
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is because trans folks are very often called crazy, right,
They're they're outside of the norm, right segn um, and
they are also you know, the most persecuted, right, Yeah. Absolutely,
And I think, like you know, ends. I think scholars
and thinkers will talk about this, but there's a piece
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of this where it's like society are treating trans women
as if they are rejecting manhood or masculinity, right, And
so that stigma and that hatred comes out because who
would choose femininity over masculinity? Who would choose to do
away with whatever society's perception of your your manhood or
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your masculinity, right, and do away with that and reject it.
And it's seen as this total like turn, this total
like unexpected turn of events for a patriarchal society. For
how much society it's not the preferred route, right, No,
and like only Loca right would do that, right, only
a crazy person would decide to, you know, flip this
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upside down right society. Right. So these antriarchical norms exactly
because as we know and as we've talked about, and
I mean, like here in Los Angeles is very true,
like come unities throughout the area that we now know
as Latin America, but indigenous communities for for centuries, there
have been multiple genders, third genders, gender fluidity. I mean,
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we can talk about like here in my community and
people union every year there's a Gagetsa in the Wahacan
community and there's always a contingent of the Muche and
they have like a mouche queen, they have a court princesses,
and so like that community is very present, right, and
so the mooche would be considered like a third gender
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or trans women from a specific like Wahacan indigenous communities,
and so the community has always been here, you know. Absolutely,
it's about but can we honor and can we recognize
and actually like give that respect in that space and protection? Yeah. Absolutely,
And um, so I wanted to just read a quote
from the artist website. Um they're talking about like the
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concept of Vitez la Porta and how it dates back
to Lavitan the concepcion Um, which hung with like a
celebration in Otusko, Peru. So it's the northern part of Peru.
And um there's like a feast and a festival. So
there's this tale that was born in like the nine
between the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties that there
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was a priest that would travel to Peru and he
would bring a congregation of trans women to really take
care of the feast and the festival. Um. And this
is like like a like a tale, right they say that, like, oh,
it's hard to find the priests and it's hard to
like tell who it was and like who it dates
back to. But this is like basically a folk tale
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in um Peru, right in the northern part of Peru,
that unlike other clergymen, unlike other priests, he actually embraced
the trans women in the trans community and allowed them
to be active participants in the congregation, right and trust
them with an important task, which is to take care
of the effigy of So that is why this this
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exhibit is called um So, I just wanted to honor
the photographer and the women that are in this this
beautiful exhibit, in this beautiful project. UM. And also you know,
talk about the trends communities in Latin America. Yeah right,
I mean there's so much to talk about to um.
You know here in l A. I know that we
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have like a Bombay who do a lot of education
and activism around you know, undocumented trans Latin American women. Um.
And so that's a huge focus especially here in l A.
If we think about like detainment, immigration raids, we think
about the most vulnerable of our undocumented community. It's going
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to be transgender individuals, transgender women who are most likely
leaving home countries where there's violence exactly. Um. So yeah,
I'm really happy that we're able to like bring that
survivor narrative here into this space too, into look at
the radio. I think it's time to come up to
our song break nowes or castera belly rostra and and
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and and and and and and and and and and
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and belly rack and and and and um um from
from um um from from from um from me of
it and ship and we're back. So coming back. We
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have more to talk about as far as look at
pistemologies and more examples um from South America, look us
doing it. Yes, Um. I'm sure by now we've talked
about it on this guppy little before. But I'm sure
y'all are familiar with New Nemenos. It's a collective of activists,
you know, academics, journalists, artists, moheedes um that was born.
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It's a movement that was born in argentthena UM in Anthena,
every thirty hours a woman is murdered for being a woman. Right,
So gender based violence, um femicides are a very big
part of Latin America. Right. So this was born out
of you know, Moheed is wanting to say, like V
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you know, it's time. Um so, I mean, I think
this is an ongoing exactly because we did do another
last year. Um last spring, I went to Mexico City,
and I'm pretty sure I talked about this trip on
one of our past cups, but just to recappen again
for our new listeners because you know, uh, there might
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be listeners who are just picking up now or just
starting with season two or whatever. But I went to
Mexico City and Niona Mentos became very relevant while I
was there because two different things happened while I was
in Mexico City with with two of my girlfriends, my
co workers. So we went and we wanted to go
to the Museum of Tolerance because there was an ongoing
Femini Ceo you know, exhibition that was going on there.
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And what was interesting was at the Museum of Tolerance,
it's a it's a genocide museum in Mexico City in
the capital, and they had two separate Feminine CEO exhibits
going on at once, on two different floors at this
Holocaust museum, at this genocide museum. So there was one
about Femini CEO in Mexico and another one about Femini
CEO and Guatemala. So already, just in one building you
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have two separate feminie cetheos and countries that are very
close to each other, right, And it's just it was
just it was it made me cry, you know, the
whole thing. I talked about it on on whatever capitulo
that was. But just so many women, so many women
of color, so many Latin American women, darned by men
in our own communities and in our own cultures. And
those are the men that kill us our our own right,
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you know. Um. And a statistic that I remember from
then a year ago that will always like stick to me.
There was a statistic that they showed that overt of
like murdered women and girls in Mexico, their bodies are
left in public places, right, And how feminie cdo is
such a public thing and such a public action and
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instant act of terrorism, right to remind us that we're
not safe and our bodies are not our own, right,
and that was what that was. There were two and
two acts of violence that occurred in in Argentina. One
of them was a woman was murdered and then just
you know, left on the side of the road, which
that was one of the catalysts of why NEWMNOS was
was born and was there was a need for it, right,
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And to say, like Neona Menoss is international, right, Every
Latin American country has their own marchamnos, right, Bedu has
a chapter, UM, Brazil has a chapter. Mexico like every
year there is a march, and it's on the same day, UM,
and it's to talk about femicides, right, right, and while
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and I'm sorry, but that's And while I was in
Mexico and we went to this this um genocide museum.
While I was there, a girl, a student was strangled.
She was murdered by her boyfriend and her body was
left next to the engineering building on the UNAM campus.
And UNAM is the largest university in Mexico. So all
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this happened while I was there there, and so inevitably
the neon A Menos hashtags were going off online. There
were then and I wanted. You're talking about how this
is international, right, it's Latin America. But also like recently
this little girl, the seven year old girl za nap
On sorry Um of Pakistan who was like kidnapped and
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then she was raped and murdered, right, and her body
was found and so now in Pakistan, the women over there, right,
they're doing their neon a menhos right, because this is
really everywhere, right. And you know one thing I've seen
um on Facebook because I follow a lot of feminists
like collective groups of Latin America, and a lot of
the comments that I read because I love to read
the comments because you can really see where people are at, right,
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like in the comments, and a lot of the comments
are from men saying like, well, men are killed even
more right, The difference is that men aren't killed for
being men, you know. There of course, there is like
domestic violence that effects men, we know that, right, it's
a smaller percentage. We're talking about women that are killed
by their partners, you know, by the men in their lives,
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simply for for being women, right, um too because they
have control over them, because women are not thrown autonomous beings, right,
because the men are entitled to even their life. Absolutely,
there's I mean, the phenomenon of femicide is this phenomenon
in which the when women are murdered, when there is
a homicide of a woman, when a woman is murdered,
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the vast, vast, vast majority of the time she is
killed by a man, just in general, whether that's her
part ner, it's more likely to be. But there is
a very like intense phenomenon that only really goes in
this one direction. Men kill women in mass It does
not go the other way. Women do not murder men
in mass When men are murdered, they're likely murdered by
other men. So men murder everybody, right, And I think
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that's so much of the roots of all this violence
as we have to be honest about that and be like, hey,
there's a problem here, exactly exactly I mean. And I'm
not sure if we talked about this. I know, Mal
and I we've talked about it, you know, just between
the two of us. But when you see like acts
of terror, like mass shootings, like more likely than not,
the shooter, who is a man, has also history of
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domestic violence violence against women. Yes, And it's just proven
almost every single in recent memory. In the past years,
almost every single mass shooter there was some previous history
of violence against women, of partner abuse, of domestic violence,
almost every single mass shooter. And it's it's scary, and
it's like, if you want to stop shootings, you need
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to listen to women, like you have to, like, really
it's life and death at this point. Believe women believe
survivors right so much. Right, So, I mean when women
are talking about femicides, when women are talking about the intimate,
intimate partner violence that they're facing, Um, it's right, the
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gas lighting. That's where the loca comes in, Right, the
loca I'm going to call her crazy because I never
I never hit her, right, but I was, you know,
psychologically abusive, but I bet all right, So there's there's
a lot of these this gas lighting that happens. Um.
So it's really important that we talk about how women
are called painted as the crazy ones, right when they're
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talking about violence against them and when they're simply pointing
out our own experiences, right, And then that you mentioned,
you know, like, you know, well if I didn't hit
her or whatever, And Kelly had come up with the hashtag, right,
which has also gone International, which is about all the
different types of intimate partner violence and abuse. So check
(30:02):
out that hashtag. Also for in Spanish that dialogue as well. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
begging right another great source. So yeah, I mean part
of this, and we can always go back to this
idea of like survivorhood being criminalized. Right. And there are
feminists and women is who for many years have talked
about the fact that like women, that we have no
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selves to defend, right, that women of color have no
self to defend, especially with regards to like black women
and Native women. So if you don't actually, if I
don't actually have a body to defend, right, I don't
have rights, then when my act of self defense is
going to be read as outright violence or criminality, right,
because I don't have anything to defend, right, I have
no autonomy, I have no boundaries. So we must be
(30:47):
crazy to speak up against power. We must be crazy
because what rights are we? What rights? It's like we're delusional, right,
because we're asking for respect in a place that doesn't
even recognize us as fully human. Right, right, So that's
why you just we have to keep being loud. That's
the only option that is the only option really, and
I mean, especially with all this stuff going on, I
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see really a shift happening. I can feel like the
cishet men are really scared. They're shook, and they should
be scared. I want them to be scared, to be yeah,
I know. I mean like just the other day, um,
like women came forward and we're talking about James Franco
Yes and the ship that he was doing at acting schools.
Apparently that he was going to acting schools and trying
(31:30):
to get the girls, the women, the students, the actresses
to exchange sexual favors for movie parts, for movie roles.
It's disgusting and it's like all these men, over all
these years, with control of the money, the studios, the
millions and billions of dollars, the equipment, the means of production.
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It's so shitty because I'm sure that if those shitty
men were not there and like women, fems, queer people,
more people of color had access to all of those
resources like cinema, the movies, the media that we would
have now today would be so different. Damn. It's gross
to me that like rapists have controlled Hollywood for so long,
(32:12):
like just straight up literally rapists and have controlled all
the money right right, and like Woody Allen is still
like doing the damn thing. Roman Polanski is still out there.
They're all still out there. Harvey Weinstein is still out there.
I haven't heard of anybody facing criminal charges. You'll hear
here and there. Oh, you know, the police are investigating
(32:32):
at the NYPD are investigating Harvey Weinstein, and now they're
investigating Steven Seagal. But to what ends investigating? And this
is what I want everybody to know. In that in
my field of work and rape crisis work, what I
come to learn is that when the police say they're investigating,
that can mean anything. That can mean, oh, we attempted
to call the suspect three times and couldn't get an interview,
will be attempted to investigate. That's really what it means
(32:53):
to them sometimes. So when we talk about these powerful
men who have committed all these acts of sexual violence,
they're being investigated, Well, what then does that really mean? Exactly?
Exactly mm hmmm. So belief survivors, believe survivors, New year,
new rules, We're already exhausted. We're already like god, you know,
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keeping a lock, keeping you be your fucking self. Yes,
keep like pushing the boundaries, always what I say, and
because you never know what will come of back, because
you know, people are always watching. People are always watching,
people are always watching, and you never know. You just
deciding to be yourself and living your authentic self and
(33:37):
creating what you want to create, people watch and they're
drawn to its inspires, Connections are made, new opportunities are
possible when you're yourself, you know. Yeah, I agree. Well,
this has been a cute reentry into like recording and
coming back in the stew in the studio. First golf
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to beet the love of the year. Yes, we have
Before we wrap up, we have some announcements. Yes, this
has been in the works for since like the summer
maybe summer, and we've been dying to talk about it.
But the plane tickets have been booked officially, contracts have
been signed, so we can finally talk about it. UM.
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We will be at the University of Oregon on February one.
In February two, UM, we were invited to speak at
their RASSA conference youth conference. Yes exactly, so we will
be the keynote, We will be the key note. Look,
I thought I is delivering an effing keynote. Yes, we're
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really excited. We will also be hosting a workshop at
the conference and then the day before we're hosting a
workshop with their Multicultural Center. So if you're in Oregon,
you know this is at the University of Oregon in Eugene.
We're super super excited to be there. Yes, I see us,
um say, hi, so excited. This is going to be
(35:05):
a cute trip. It is because is this our first
out of state trip. This is our first out of state,
our first out of states. We're excited. We did some
college some college speaking gigs and workshops in Seen and
we just want to grow and keep doing it. And
we love students, we love universities, bring us out. We
have a lot to say. Yea, we have some exciting
(35:26):
events happening in so you know, we're going to keep
those under reps for now, but we're super excited to
share that we'll be at the University of Oregon. And
I just want to shout out the organizer of it, Onica,
She has been reaching out to us, you know, the idea.
She brought the idea to us and we were super
down and it's been like a while, like many months
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that we've been like in contact with her and now
it's finally you know, here, So we're really excited. So
shout out girl, you're probably listening. Yes, she's so super excited. Um. Yeah,
so we'll be there. We'll be there and you know,
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Welcome back, look at Motive. This is brown Girl Our
and this is Disa and look at the radio is
a podcast arch having the brilliance and legacies of women
and firms of color. I'm so, so so excited to
finally be back, yes recording, we took a little break
and this is our very first Welcome to season two.
(00:48):
Welcome to season for all of my novelets out there, right,
we made it host Yes, we made it through season one.
We made it through most important to take us out honestly,
and even like the beginning of has been a little
bit rough, I cannot lie right right, there's been some
stuff going on, but here we are persisting, resisting all
(01:09):
of those things for us. So we have so many
exciting things coming for I'm so excited to just like
we had, we planted all of our seeds in seventeen right,
so now I'm excited to really watch everything grow cultivate.
We'll started absolutely do like round two of things. This
(01:31):
for example, we'll get into the topic in a little bit. Um,
but yeah, I mean, I'm just really excited for season two.
It's going to be a fabulous season. It's gonna be
a fabulous year. And this year it's a new year,
and we have new rules, Alla, Dulia, Yes, like for real,
for real, Like we made some changes in seen. I know,
I made a lot of changes in seventeen and I
cut off things that weren't working for me anymore. And
(01:53):
I'm starting new things and new patterns and a new mindset,
and we have new rules, new rules. I'm not put
up with any bullshit anymore. If I don't want to
do it, I'm not going to do it. I agree,
And that's just how I'm deciding to live my life. Yeah,
And I feel like I'm just so happy with like
the stability of my mental health right now, Like I
(02:14):
just put so much work with my therapist in so
I just feel like, you know, now when things go wrong,
like I can handle it, as opposed to before it's
like you feel like everything's going to crash around you.
But now I'm like, okay, Like I've made it through
the toughest year of my life thus far. I know
that whatever comes my way, I have like the tools
I need. I have the support system I need. I'm good,
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you know, I love that. Yeah, thank you, I know.
So here's to you know, to you know, being healthy,
growing some wealth, growing some wealth, all kinds of wealth.
You know. Yeah, I'm excited, you know that cash wealth,
but also the spiritual wealth, love and the friendship as
(02:59):
wealthy seventeen taught me that and that is so real.
We have to prioritize ourselves and our health and our body.
So those are some of our new rules and our
new resolutions for the new year. And you know, speaking
of new things that we're introducing this year, so we're
introducing some new elements, some new segments to look. Yes,
(03:21):
we're going to be rolling out some segments throughout the year,
but today we have our very first one. Yes, and
you know, usually like when when we work aut Pezza Los,
either it's just you know, Yosa and I talking, talking, talking,
shooting the ship, or we have guests here. But now
we're going to actually implement some new programming to like
diversify a little bit and keep things fun, keep things different.
We are keeping things fresh for y'all. Yes, you know,
(03:43):
we're trying to be as original as possible. So our
new segment every look. I thought our radio we are
going to be answering listener questions and the name of
our new segment isca Act. And I feel like we
get a lot of the time, but we haven't really
answered it. And I would say that our listeners would
like to know. Okay, what is our beauty and skincare routine? Yes? Important, important,
(04:08):
very important. So do you want to go first? Yes,
I can go first. Okay, So let me start by
saying that my mom always always taught us to take
care of our skin, even as little girls. She even
wanted us like to start with like night cream and
I cream before we went to bed, so I will
try to always moisturize. I don't really buy as much
(04:29):
store bought creams as much anymore, but I do, like
I have this jar of like raw cocon and oil
that's actually from Trader Joe's that I love and that
I use as a makeup remover. My mom also always
taught us, like if you have blemishes and things, to
use like half a lemon and rub that on your face.
We we would use a lot of like like like
(04:49):
food based products, basically fruits and vegetables on our skin
and hair like we would always my mom would have
us do a hair mask of like avocado and olive oil,
sometimes of mayonnaise. These. Um, I've done avocado masks before.
I really like um charcoal masks and the African black
soap masks. Those are really good too. So yeah, a
(05:11):
variety of things. But I love olive oils are really
good for your hair. I love coconut oils for my skin.
And that's that's what I do. I drink lots of water.
I love water. I drink water all the time. I
don't really drink soda um to balance out all the
alcohol that I drink. Right, So I feel the same way. Yeah,
I would say starting with water is like so important.
(05:32):
I have this app on my phone. UM, let me
pull it up. What it's called, but it basically allows
me to track my water intake. It's called I Hydrate
and my daily goal is eight ounces and I'm really
good about getting my eight ounces in, so I'm running
to the restroom all the time. But you know, I've
not I've noticed that, like there is a difference in
my skin. UM. When I was in high school, I
(05:54):
had UM, I had acne. You know, it wasn't too bad.
I think it was just like general like teenage acne.
You know, I still get blemishes here and there, um,
And I think I'm still like self conscious of my
skin because I had acne. But you have great skin,
thank you, thank you. But so I put a lot
of work into my skin. Um. Same with Mama. Use
coconut oil as a makeup remover. I use a pond
the cream cleanser to remove all of my makeup. Um.
(06:17):
And then also the African Black soap, which Hazel is
the great great I used the like it has. It's
rosen fused. I buy it at Target. I don't know
the name, but it's Witch Hazel. And serums are something
I'm trying to incorporate before you, so you put it
on after your tone or pre Moisturizer. I don't have
one that I like thus far. They're all really expensive,
(06:39):
so I like do little samples here and there um,
and then moisturizer I just like rotate out. It really
depends on the weather. So I have like my winter
moisturizer my summer moisturizer, so it really depends. Um. But
I would say, like don't sleep with your makeup bottom,
which is sometimes you know, we come home from the cloud.
Sometimes we're guilty of it. I know I'm guilty of it.
Here and there it happens. I know that when I
(07:00):
could happen, you know, have me after having a few
drinks and I don't want to. What's good to have
is like makeup remover, makeup wipes by your bed, so
I will just take off my makeup and I'm like, Okay,
at least I took off my makeup. I didn't watch
my face, but at least my makeup is off. The
very least. You gotta do that. I try to do
that to take your makeup off before you sleep. Um.
I would also say I struggle with this because I
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go well, this past week, I've been going to the
gym straight from work. So but don't work out with
makeup on. You know. I know people do a full
face furnished I've seen it and like the power to you.
But I know that my skin connot handle sweat and makeup.
You want your skin to also be able to breathe.
You wanted to bring out the makeup are open? Yeah.
(07:42):
Oh that's the other thing is like I have big
poor so I'm constantly like Bory poor strips, and I'm like,
I like to do a lot of I use the
sat ims, the apricot strap. I know it's harsh on
a lot of people, but for me, the exfliating is
so important, exploating every day every day. Yes, I do
a mask once or twice a week, a sheet mask
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or a clay mask. The Korean sheet masks everything, everything,
and you can get them for cheat you can. Yeah,
and Target even has like their own brand where they're
like two or three dollars for like one sheet mask,
which I know, like if you're buying a couple, that's
a lot, but like here and there, like I really
like to I like to fall asleep with them on,
(08:25):
especially because they're like serum based, so it's like you're
putting it is like you're putting a serum on your
face or very soothing. Yes, I love them. Yeah. So
that is our first segment of look As, Look As
Are we answering just the one question? Are we going
to answer two questions? Should we do too? We? Should
we do one at the end, We'll do one at
the end. Yeah, okay, fabulous, fabulous, fabulous. Okay, So like
(08:49):
we this episode, this gut beat, the low. We're getting
into locup Pistemology is part two, yes, um, I think
so look Up Pistemology is part one, like really set
the framework for local radio, right, So since we're beginning
a new year, I want it to be the same,
you know, I wanted to set a framework for where
we're at. You know, check In also expand on like
(09:11):
our very first concept of local pistemologies. So I'm super
excitedly they were bringing this one back, and that was
the very first radio ever was loc up Pistemologies. So
it's just full circle, full circle. I can't believe that
we're already here, like right, I love that we're able
to do part two of things now, especially because we
(09:33):
have so much to say about everything. Y'all know this,
If anything, we have more to say than than even before.
I agree. You know that Capitolo is so important because,
like I said, it shapes it really lays the groundwork
for local radio. At the same time, because it was
the first episode, I can't really listen to it because
I'm like, oh, it's like kind of cringe worthy to me,
(09:56):
only because it's like we were brand new, we were learning,
we didn't really necessarily know about like our sound, our rhythm. Yes, yes,
and I know we did. I feel like in our
very first we did a lot of like talk back
to each other, which is good in a conversation, but
when you're when you're listening to it as someone else,
if you're a listener, right, it's it can be a
(10:17):
little much. Sure. Um, So I really like that, you
know how much we've grown, how much we've learned. So
I'm really excited that now we can bring this episode
back and you know, we're well season now, so we
have a good s Oh my god, what a throwback back.
That was one of my first Twitter handle. Yes I
was for years. Yes, I know we have. But for
(10:45):
those of you maybe like and here's the thing is,
we have a lot more listeners now versus when we
recorded the very first look epistemologies, and you know, maybe
a lot of our new listeners haven't necessarily heard all
of our all the way through. So just to recap,
you know, are very first Cupca pistemologies. We talked about
how basically for us we can look at historically, like
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in Latino communities, women survivors, queer folks who have spoken
up against like abuse or powerful men are so often
pathologized and called lokas and crazy and dismissed and oh, Noca,
you know, don't listen to you. We can't listen to her.
She's always, you know, yelling about something. And we want
to reclaim that, right. And you know, Mama and I
(11:28):
both self identify as locas, which is why we created
a look at our radio, right. And I think you know,
also in addition to Whatmala said, it's also a loca
is someone that goes outside of the norm, right in
many ways. You know, we we moved away from home,
which is outside of the norm, right. We have you know,
very well, not very but we have like we're very
(11:49):
transferent about our dating lives, right, which is not something
that like a Nina Winna does. Right. We're very real
in that way. So I think that's you know, that's
another way that we try to reclaim and embrace the
term loca, right, and also really looking and revealing, you
know the fact that historically the women that have been
demonizing called called crazy are actually survivors, are actually survivors
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of abuse and survivors of patriarchal violence and you know,
rape culture and sexual assault, and we talked about, for example,
in our first cupola, our first example of the look
on where epistemology can be formed around is a figure
such as La Malinche for example, Right that in our culture,
especially for like Mexicans, Mexican Americans, Chicanos, there's this this
(12:34):
desire to really talk down about her or she's a trader,
a race trader, when she was really an indigenous woman
who was sexually assaulted and kidnapped and bought and sold.
You know, yeah, I couldn't agree and I echo that sentiment. UM.
So really like reframing and giving power to these survivor narratives, right,
that's what we do on in with this podcast on
(12:56):
Look at Radio, UM, and it's what we're going to
continue to do in the year. And I mean especially
we you know all we continue to touch upon survivorhood,
survivor narratives, rape culture, sexual violence, especially with everything that's
been going on the disclosures of sexual harassment Hollywood, the
movie industry, film and television. We continue to talk about
(13:18):
all of this stuff and almost every coup the lot.
But I think today, especially like it's important to kind
of recap of what's been going on, right, and how
women are being treated, how survivors are being treated in
the midst of all of this, you know, yeah, absolutely
so you know, for part two of local Epistemologies, you know,
we want to touch on talk about the with the
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women who have spoken up against powerful men, right, and
we're stigmatized, we're called crazy. Right. This is not something new. Um.
We know that this is what survivors are told, survivors
of abuse, of rape, of domestic violence. Um. And there's
there's also, um I think when you when you do
speak out against violence, there's also a loss that your feeling. Right,
(14:00):
there's a lots of maybe this narrative you constructed about yourself. Right.
There's also grief involved in the process, which I don't
think we talk a lot about, um, grief itself, that
this thing occurred, that it happened, because I think you
know something that with the victim blaming that goes on
when a survivor tries to disclose like an assault or abuse, right,
This victim blaming like assumes that that there's some type
(14:23):
of wind here for the survivor and speaking out or
there's something to be gained when they're quite often at
the time is nothing to be gained, right, and it's
a horrible thing to be talking about. It's not something
that's done with like joy. You know, there's joy in
being able to speak up for oneself and to take
up your space again and reclaim your agency. There's joy
(14:46):
in that, right. But I think so many of the
survivors and a lot of the women in Hollywood right
who have come out talked about what's been going on,
they've been keeping that stuff bottled up for years, right,
you know, while they're in the public eye, we there's
all the other stuff in the background that none of
us knew about really right, right, and knowing that if
they spoke up at the time it would affect their careers, right,
(15:07):
that their careers would be over, then no one would
want to work with them. So these are things that
women have carried and outside of Hollywood, women do carry
this this shame right that their life is going to
be over. Um, So you know we want to hold
space for that, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. Um, we're going
to bring in a new example today as well, expanding
(15:28):
the look up pistemologies and who else is doing it?
Who else is creating a look up pistemology? Yes, so
we have an example, actually a South American example, Yes,
we do. We have two South American examples, um SO.
One a few months ago. Um there is an exhibit
that opened up at the Museum of Sex in New
York City and it's called Vita Nila. And the photographer
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artist is named Juan and he's an article, an artist,
a photographer. The photographs trans women in Peru. And what
he does is he makes them, um he photographs them
as as religious icons as Santa's so Vi. Is about
highlighting the marginalization that trans women and leave, specifically in
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Lima face. Um how there's very few resources from them.
How the Catholic Church does everything in its power to
destroy any type of resources that are available to the
trans community in Peru. Um so, in specifically in this uh,
this exhibit, it's about celebrating the beauty in these trans
women in this trans community is specifically in South American Peru.
(16:36):
Um So, we wanted to talk about that because it's
super powerful. Um A. Gorgeous, They're gorgeous. They're gorgeous. You
have not that, Yes, we will post them. We can
kind of just talk about some of the photos and
kind of describe them. Yeah. Absolutely, So one that's really
beautiful is three women, um that are one one woman
(16:58):
is like sitting on a throw own and she is
like adorned with with a veil, and then there are
two women sitting beneath her that are also wearing crowns,
also adorned, and they're just really like just striking a pose.
It's like a holy trinity, and they're wearing blue and
soft blues and whites, and it's very beautiful. Yes, they're
very ethereal, these photos, very ethereal, very otherworldly, but there's
(17:22):
this mixture of like chaos that goes on. Like in
this photo that you're showing, there's like a naked mouhe
sitting in the middle of a room and there's a
bunch of chairs surrounding her and they're kind of topsy
turvy and on top of each other and pointing in
different directions. Yeah. And I think that it's important to
talk about the trans community specifically when we're talking about locupistemologies,
(17:43):
is because trans folks are very often called crazy, right,
They're they're outside of the norm, right segn um, and
they are also you know, the most persecuted, right, Yeah. Absolutely,
And I think, like you know, ends. I think scholars
and thinkers will talk about this, but there's a piece
(18:04):
of this where it's like society are treating trans women
as if they are rejecting manhood or masculinity, right, And
so that stigma and that hatred comes out because who
would choose femininity over masculinity? Who would choose to do
away with whatever society's perception of your your manhood or
(18:25):
your masculinity, right, and do away with that and reject it.
And it's seen as this total like turn, this total
like unexpected turn of events for a patriarchal society. For
how much society it's not the preferred route, right, No,
and like only Loca right would do that, right, only
a crazy person would decide to, you know, flip this
(18:48):
upside down right society. Right. So these antriarchical norms exactly
because as we know and as we've talked about, and
I mean, like here in Los Angeles is very true,
like come unities throughout the area that we now know
as Latin America, but indigenous communities for for centuries, there
have been multiple genders, third genders, gender fluidity. I mean,
(19:11):
we can talk about like here in my community and
people union every year there's a Gagetsa in the Wahacan
community and there's always a contingent of the Muche and
they have like a mouche queen, they have a court princesses,
and so like that community is very present, right, and
so the mooche would be considered like a third gender
(19:33):
or trans women from a specific like Wahacan indigenous communities,
and so the community has always been here, you know. Absolutely,
it's about but can we honor and can we recognize
and actually like give that respect in that space and protection? Yeah. Absolutely,
And um, so I wanted to just read a quote
from the artist website. Um they're talking about like the
(19:56):
concept of Vitez la Porta and how it dates back
to Lavitan the concepcion Um, which hung with like a
celebration in Otusko, Peru. So it's the northern part of Peru.
And um there's like a feast and a festival. So
there's this tale that was born in like the nine
between the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties that there
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was a priest that would travel to Peru and he
would bring a congregation of trans women to really take
care of the feast and the festival. Um. And this
is like like a like a tale, right they say that, like, oh,
it's hard to find the priests and it's hard to
like tell who it was and like who it dates
back to. But this is like basically a folk tale
(20:38):
in um Peru, right in the northern part of Peru,
that unlike other clergymen, unlike other priests, he actually embraced
the trans women in the trans community and allowed them
to be active participants in the congregation, right and trust
them with an important task, which is to take care
of the effigy of So that is why this this
(20:58):
exhibit is called um So, I just wanted to honor
the photographer and the women that are in this this
beautiful exhibit, in this beautiful project. UM. And also you know,
talk about the trends communities in Latin America. Yeah right,
I mean there's so much to talk about to um.
You know here in l A. I know that we
(21:21):
have like a Bombay who do a lot of education
and activism around you know, undocumented trans Latin American women. Um.
And so that's a huge focus especially here in l A.
If we think about like detainment, immigration raids, we think
about the most vulnerable of our undocumented community. It's going
(21:41):
to be transgender individuals, transgender women who are most likely
leaving home countries where there's violence exactly. Um. So yeah,
I'm really happy that we're able to like bring that
survivor narrative here into this space too, into look at
the radio. I think it's time to come up to
our song break nowes or castera belly rostra and and
(22:07):
and and and and and and and and and and
and and and and and and and and and belly
ra and and and send belly rack and and and
(22:29):
and belly rack and and and and um um from
from um um from from from um from me of
it and ship and we're back. So coming back. We
(22:53):
have more to talk about as far as look at
pistemologies and more examples um from South America, look us
doing it. Yes, Um. I'm sure by now we've talked
about it on this guppy little before. But I'm sure
y'all are familiar with New Nemenos. It's a collective of activists,
you know, academics, journalists, artists, moheedes um that was born.
(23:15):
It's a movement that was born in argentthena UM in Anthena,
every thirty hours a woman is murdered for being a woman. Right,
So gender based violence, um femicides are a very big
part of Latin America. Right. So this was born out
of you know, Moheed is wanting to say, like V
(23:37):
you know, it's time. Um so, I mean, I think
this is an ongoing exactly because we did do another
last year. Um last spring, I went to Mexico City,
and I'm pretty sure I talked about this trip on
one of our past cups, but just to recappen again
for our new listeners because you know, uh, there might
(23:57):
be listeners who are just picking up now or just
starting with season two or whatever. But I went to
Mexico City and Niona Mentos became very relevant while I
was there because two different things happened while I was
in Mexico City with with two of my girlfriends, my
co workers. So we went and we wanted to go
to the Museum of Tolerance because there was an ongoing
Femini Ceo you know, exhibition that was going on there.
(24:20):
And what was interesting was at the Museum of Tolerance,
it's a it's a genocide museum in Mexico City in
the capital, and they had two separate Feminine CEO exhibits
going on at once, on two different floors at this
Holocaust museum, at this genocide museum. So there was one
about Femini CEO in Mexico and another one about Femini
CEO and Guatemala. So already, just in one building you
(24:43):
have two separate feminie cetheos and countries that are very
close to each other, right, And it's just it was
just it was it made me cry, you know, the
whole thing. I talked about it on on whatever capitulo
that was. But just so many women, so many women
of color, so many Latin American women, darned by men
in our own communities and in our own cultures. And
those are the men that kill us our our own right,
(25:06):
you know. Um. And a statistic that I remember from
then a year ago that will always like stick to me.
There was a statistic that they showed that overt of
like murdered women and girls in Mexico, their bodies are
left in public places, right, And how feminie cdo is
such a public thing and such a public action and
(25:26):
instant act of terrorism, right to remind us that we're
not safe and our bodies are not our own, right,
and that was what that was. There were two and
two acts of violence that occurred in in Argentina. One
of them was a woman was murdered and then just
you know, left on the side of the road, which
that was one of the catalysts of why NEWMNOS was
was born and was there was a need for it, right,
(25:48):
And to say, like Neona Menoss is international, right, Every
Latin American country has their own marchamnos, right, Bedu has
a chapter, UM, Brazil has a chapter. Mexico like every
year there is a march, and it's on the same day, UM,
and it's to talk about femicides, right, right, and while
(26:10):
and I'm sorry, but that's And while I was in
Mexico and we went to this this um genocide museum.
While I was there, a girl, a student was strangled.
She was murdered by her boyfriend and her body was
left next to the engineering building on the UNAM campus.
And UNAM is the largest university in Mexico. So all
(26:31):
this happened while I was there there, and so inevitably
the neon A Menos hashtags were going off online. There
were then and I wanted. You're talking about how this
is international, right, it's Latin America. But also like recently
this little girl, the seven year old girl za nap
On sorry Um of Pakistan who was like kidnapped and
(26:52):
then she was raped and murdered, right, and her body
was found and so now in Pakistan, the women over there, right,
they're doing their neon a menhos right, because this is
really everywhere, right. And you know one thing I've seen
um on Facebook because I follow a lot of feminists
like collective groups of Latin America, and a lot of
the comments that I read because I love to read
the comments because you can really see where people are at, right,
(27:14):
like in the comments, and a lot of the comments
are from men saying like, well, men are killed even
more right, The difference is that men aren't killed for
being men, you know. There of course, there is like
domestic violence that effects men, we know that, right, it's
a smaller percentage. We're talking about women that are killed
by their partners, you know, by the men in their lives,
(27:34):
simply for for being women, right, um too because they
have control over them, because women are not thrown autonomous beings, right,
because the men are entitled to even their life. Absolutely,
there's I mean, the phenomenon of femicide is this phenomenon
in which the when women are murdered, when there is
a homicide of a woman, when a woman is murdered,
(27:55):
the vast, vast, vast majority of the time she is
killed by a man, just in general, whether that's her
part ner, it's more likely to be. But there is
a very like intense phenomenon that only really goes in
this one direction. Men kill women in mass It does
not go the other way. Women do not murder men
in mass When men are murdered, they're likely murdered by
other men. So men murder everybody, right, And I think
(28:15):
that's so much of the roots of all this violence
as we have to be honest about that and be like, hey,
there's a problem here, exactly exactly I mean. And I'm
not sure if we talked about this. I know, Mal
and I we've talked about it, you know, just between
the two of us. But when you see like acts
of terror, like mass shootings, like more likely than not,
the shooter, who is a man, has also history of
(28:38):
domestic violence violence against women. Yes, And it's just proven
almost every single in recent memory. In the past years,
almost every single mass shooter there was some previous history
of violence against women, of partner abuse, of domestic violence,
almost every single mass shooter. And it's it's scary, and
it's like, if you want to stop shootings, you need
(29:00):
to listen to women, like you have to, like, really
it's life and death at this point. Believe women believe
survivors right so much. Right, So, I mean when women
are talking about femicides, when women are talking about the intimate,
intimate partner violence that they're facing, Um, it's right, the
(29:21):
gas lighting. That's where the loca comes in, Right, the
loca I'm going to call her crazy because I never
I never hit her, right, but I was, you know,
psychologically abusive, but I bet all right, So there's there's
a lot of these this gas lighting that happens. Um.
So it's really important that we talk about how women
are called painted as the crazy ones, right when they're
(29:42):
talking about violence against them and when they're simply pointing
out our own experiences, right, And then that you mentioned,
you know, like, you know, well if I didn't hit
her or whatever, And Kelly had come up with the hashtag, right,
which has also gone International, which is about all the
different types of intimate partner violence and abuse. So check
(30:02):
out that hashtag. Also for in Spanish that dialogue as well. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
begging right another great source. So yeah, I mean part
of this, and we can always go back to this
idea of like survivorhood being criminalized. Right. And there are
feminists and women is who for many years have talked
about the fact that like women, that we have no
(30:24):
selves to defend, right, that women of color have no
self to defend, especially with regards to like black women
and Native women. So if you don't actually, if I
don't actually have a body to defend, right, I don't
have rights, then when my act of self defense is
going to be read as outright violence or criminality, right,
because I don't have anything to defend, right, I have
no autonomy, I have no boundaries. So we must be
(30:47):
crazy to speak up against power. We must be crazy
because what rights are we? What rights? It's like we're delusional, right,
because we're asking for respect in a place that doesn't
even recognize us as fully human. Right, right, So that's
why you just we have to keep being loud. That's
the only option that is the only option really, and
I mean, especially with all this stuff going on, I
(31:09):
see really a shift happening. I can feel like the
cishet men are really scared. They're shook, and they should
be scared. I want them to be scared, to be yeah,
I know. I mean like just the other day, um,
like women came forward and we're talking about James Franco
Yes and the ship that he was doing at acting schools.
Apparently that he was going to acting schools and trying
(31:30):
to get the girls, the women, the students, the actresses
to exchange sexual favors for movie parts, for movie roles.
It's disgusting and it's like all these men, over all
these years, with control of the money, the studios, the
millions and billions of dollars, the equipment, the means of production.
(31:51):
It's so shitty because I'm sure that if those shitty
men were not there and like women, fems, queer people,
more people of color had access to all of those
resources like cinema, the movies, the media that we would
have now today would be so different. Damn. It's gross
to me that like rapists have controlled Hollywood for so long,
(32:12):
like just straight up literally rapists and have controlled all
the money right right, and like Woody Allen is still
like doing the damn thing. Roman Polanski is still out there.
They're all still out there. Harvey Weinstein is still out there.
I haven't heard of anybody facing criminal charges. You'll hear
here and there. Oh, you know, the police are investigating
(32:32):
at the NYPD are investigating Harvey Weinstein, and now they're
investigating Steven Seagal. But to what ends investigating? And this
is what I want everybody to know. In that in
my field of work and rape crisis work, what I
come to learn is that when the police say they're investigating,
that can mean anything. That can mean, oh, we attempted
to call the suspect three times and couldn't get an interview,
will be attempted to investigate. That's really what it means
(32:53):
to them sometimes. So when we talk about these powerful
men who have committed all these acts of sexual violence,
they're being investigated, Well, what then does that really mean? Exactly?
Exactly mm hmmm. So belief survivors, believe survivors, New year,
new rules, We're already exhausted. We're already like god, you know,
(33:16):
keeping a lock, keeping you be your fucking self. Yes,
keep like pushing the boundaries, always what I say, and
because you never know what will come of back, because
you know, people are always watching. People are always watching,
people are always watching, and you never know. You just
deciding to be yourself and living your authentic self and
(33:37):
creating what you want to create, people watch and they're
drawn to its inspires, Connections are made, new opportunities are
possible when you're yourself, you know. Yeah, I agree. Well,
this has been a cute reentry into like recording and
coming back in the stew in the studio. First golf
(33:59):
to beet the love of the year. Yes, we have
Before we wrap up, we have some announcements. Yes, this
has been in the works for since like the summer
maybe summer, and we've been dying to talk about it.
But the plane tickets have been booked officially, contracts have
been signed, so we can finally talk about it. UM.
(34:21):
We will be at the University of Oregon on February one.
In February two, UM, we were invited to speak at
their RASSA conference youth conference. Yes exactly, so we will
be the keynote, We will be the key note. Look,
I thought I is delivering an effing keynote. Yes, we're
(34:44):
really excited. We will also be hosting a workshop at
the conference and then the day before we're hosting a
workshop with their Multicultural Center. So if you're in Oregon,
you know this is at the University of Oregon in Eugene.
We're super super excited to be there. Yes, I see us,
um say, hi, so excited. This is going to be
(35:05):
a cute trip. It is because is this our first
out of state trip. This is our first out of state,
our first out of states. We're excited. We did some
college some college speaking gigs and workshops in Seen and
we just want to grow and keep doing it. And
we love students, we love universities, bring us out. We
have a lot to say. Yea, we have some exciting
(35:26):
events happening in so you know, we're going to keep
those under reps for now, but we're super excited to
share that we'll be at the University of Oregon. And
I just want to shout out the organizer of it, Onica,
She has been reaching out to us, you know, the idea.
She brought the idea to us and we were super
down and it's been like a while, like many months
(35:48):
that we've been like in contact with her and now
it's finally you know, here, So we're really excited. So
shout out girl, you're probably listening. Yes, she's so super excited. Um. Yeah,
so we'll be there. We'll be there and you know,
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