May 1, 2024 • 57 mins
The University of Southern California (USC) has made headlines for how university administrators have handled student protests and on-campus activations in support of Palestine.
We're joined by USC father and activist, Lázaro Aguero, who was present during the protest and police escalation last Wednesday, April 24th. A clip of Aguero went viral after he stated he would be "the happiest daddy" if his daughter were to be arrested while protesting against genocide. In this Spanglish interview, we learn about his experience being on USC's campus during the first day of their Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
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the protests that have been taking place across college campuses.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We are in a historic wave of anti genocide marches, demonstrations,
sit ins, encampments right at this moment, being led by
students across the country. And we're going to start with
a hyper local example that has been making the news
for all the wrong reasons. We're going to talk about
the University of Southern California USC and the way that
(02:29):
USC administration, in partnership with the LAPD, have been stifling
the voices of student protesters and have really been engaging
in a lot of fascist, repressive tactics.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think we should touch on what started at Columbia,
because that really set the wave for the rest of
the college campuses. At Columbia University in New York, students
created a gaza solidarity encampment and they were at a
university lawn and that led to a that led to suspensions,
and they were doing teachings, even did a satyr with
(03:04):
their fellow Jewish allies Jewish students, And this was all
at the tail end of the President of Columbia testifying
in front of Congress, and so it seems like it
was timed directly and intentionally for that when the president
would return, the President of Columbia would return to campus,
there was going to be a big protest. That's an
(03:25):
awful wave of solidarity protests at other campuses. It reached USC.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
USC, I think is one of the most recent to
join in the public demonstrations and the setting up of encampments.
And I think that at USC, one of the triggering
factors was not only to join the wave of student protests,
but I think USC students pretty specifically were responding to
(03:53):
university sanctioned silencing and repression of a Muslim student, Na Tabusam,
who was elected chosen selected to be this year's US
valedictorian to become and she's an undergraduate. To become a
valedictorian at USC, there is a selection process, there's an
(04:17):
interview process. She essentially had to apply to be vetted.
She was stacked up against other students, and ultimately the
university chose her to be their valedictorian for the class
of twenty twenty four. There is a little bit of
a gray area and confusion around what happened in the
(04:39):
days and weeks since USC selected Osna to be their valedictorian.
As I'm a USC student currently and we receive emails
and updates and things, and what we learned is that
the university rescinded Osna's option ability to speak at commencement,
(05:02):
which is like, the reason you become the valedictorian is
to speak at commencement, to be the class representative. You
are an outstanding student. The university and the student body
supports you and not only your academic pursuits, but you
as an individual to the point that you are chosen
(05:24):
to address your student body and family, friends and the
community at commencement. So Asna the university, after offering her
this role of valedictorian, decided that they were not going
to let her speak. And in the communications that we
received from the university, I feel like there was a
lot of coded language. It was discussions of campus safety vaguely,
(05:46):
and the safety and security of commencement and of the event.
There was no specific statement that a threat has been
made against Asna, our speaker, our valedictorian, or we have
received threats to the university. It was more like, in
anticipation of potential threats to campus, we are not allowing
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our valedictorian to speak. Now important. Usna is a Muslim woman,
she is studying. One of her miners is a resistance
to genocide minor, So she definitely is socially conscious, socially aware.
She definitely has expressed herself on her own private social
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media accounts and apparently one of the reasons why her
opportunity to speak at commencement was pulled because somebody went
and dug up posts that she had made on her
own personal social media accounts.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
She had shared a link that was in support of Palestine,
and the way that it's being talked about is for
the quote destruction of Israel, which I think is she's
like purpose they're purposely misinterpreting the link that she posted,
and to my knowledge, it wasn't even actual like in
feed post. It's like someone went and looked at like
(07:12):
what links are like in her bio, but it's been
spun to be this anti Semitic sentiment feeling belief when
she has been calling for anti genocide.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And and something important. Again, this is a very young woman,
so she's graduating from undergrad.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
She's probably twenty one.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Probably twenty one, a major in biomedical engineering and her
minor in resistance to genocide. From what we know this,
she's not like a career activist. She's not like a speaker,
you know, she's not a journalist. She's a student. And seemingly,
overnight her name has been put out there into this
(07:59):
spotlight that I don't think that she wanted or was
looking for. The La Times did a write up about it,
Various outlets have picked up the story, and a lot
of folks have shown up online and now in person
in solidarity and in support of her. And of course
the people of Palestine. So this is the context in
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which we find ourselves at USC last week.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like the campus climate is that, like let Asna speak,
people are protecting free speech. I've seen former professors say, hey,
we might not entirely agree with her stances, but we
believe in the right to free speech. And this student, Asna,
had not even written her speech yet, so there were
a lot of assumptions and projections made against her.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, and you know, it's quite possible that she would
have said nothing about Palestine in her commencement speech. We
have no way of knowing. And even if she were, so,
what she's allowed to speak and to speak her mind.
And especially at a university, these are supposed to be
supposed to be places, right that encourage study, thought, expression, outspokenness.
(09:09):
What have you? So USC joins the student body right,
joins this wave of student activism and is responding to
this very specific instance of the university silencing and repressing
a Muslim student who is an like an outstanding student.
(09:33):
If you're valedictorian can't speak.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's like the highest door.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
If you're valedictorian is not safe from repression. What hope
does anybody else have for expression, for free speech, for
standing up, for demonstrating. So this is what we're dealing
with that USC. So I was on campus last week
and we're in the middle of like study days, final exams.
The campus is getting ready for commencement right now. Last week,
(10:02):
on the twenty fourth, I was there around noon, and
by noon, by twelve o'clock, there were already helicopters circling
the middle of campus. There was already an LAPD helicopter,
and the students who had begun demonstrating had not been
(10:22):
there even half a day. I was getting videos from THEOSA,
who was getting videos from others of like campus security
trying to tear down the encampments and getting rid of
tents and signs and such. I'm seeing the helicopters. There
(10:43):
were at least five helicopters. One was definitely an LAPD helicopter,
the others maybe news helicopters, I'm not sure. I went
over there to check it out and to do a
little documenting on my own, and I saw what you
would expect to see at a protest, is students protesting
and with signs and channing and maybe a loud speaker
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people observing, and then people participating, folks of all ages,
and at a university, it's hard to say who's who.
You can assume most are students, some were definitely faculty, others,
community members, allies, folks who eventually showed up as the
day went on, because as the day continued, the university
(11:28):
like escalated things to a level that it didn't need
to get to. And of course, when that starts happening
and the LAPD is called and students are getting detained
and dragged, folks are putting out a call to action,
you know, come down to us in solidarity and in support.
And that's what happened, you know. So as the day
goes on, I'm seeing posts on Instagram, on the internet
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calling for bodies come to campus because there's a police
presence here. Now eventually they shut down the campus and
you had to show a student ID if you wanted
to get in. They were ordering people in the center
of campus at Alumni Park to disperse, to get out
of there, or they were going to arrest everybody. I
(12:13):
ended up. I was working on a final project, so
I was in our post production editing lab, and that
lab is open every day until midnight. By seven o'clock
the campus had shut down. The riot police were on campus.
There are helicopters everywhere, and they shut down the labs
at seven. They were like, you guys need to be
(12:33):
out of here by seven fifteen. So then at that
point we're like, okay, how can we get home? What
streets are open? We don't want to walk by the
riot police. What's going on at all these other universities.
There was not necessarily outright support of the student body,
but they at least let them protest for a full
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day before they went in and tried to drag people
out or arrest people.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
On Wednesday, April twenty fourth, USC students and organizers from
USC's Divest from Death began building out their liberated Zone
or what they were calling a liberated Zone at Alumni Park,
which is a central part of campus, and that began
at five am. The whole list of programming. My friend
Sie Glali sent me the list of programming they had
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scheduled for the whole day, and with the programming, they
also had been publicly displaying their list of demands, and
their list of demands is essentially to disclose. For USC
to disclose defend and divest from Israel. And what that
means is that investments made by the university goes to
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weaponry that's made aircraft that is then sent to Israel,
and so that's where the divesting is coming from. And
because it's a private university, they don't technically have to
disclose how much it is where that funding is going.
And so that's what the students are asking for. They're
asking for more transparency. And they had their list of
demands which totaled to six things, and war profiteering and
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investment in genocide, complete academic boycott of Israel, protect free
speech on campus and provide full amnesty to all students,
staff and faculty. Stop the displacement from South Central to Palestine,
no policing on campus, and end the silence on the
genocide in Palestine. So really asking the university like take
a stand, release a public statement.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And what was so fascinating too is a lot of
my fellow classmates were extremely shocked by what was happening.
But something that we know to be true is US
is not us, is not Berkeley, It's not Davis. It's
the University of Spoiled Children. That's what it's known for
it's private, it's exclusive, it's elite, and it's not known
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for being a politically progressive place that that encourages dissidents,
that is like encouraging of protest in this way. And
they showed that the actions on the part of the
university were like very on brand in a very bad way,
(15:14):
and very on brand for the LAPD as well. And
there was a lot of like, oh, well, they're not
all students. I heard a lot of that, and we
really have no way of knowing who's a student and
who's not. These are thousands of students on campus, and
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not every student looks the same. Not everyone is like
blonde hair, blue eyed, with boat shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
There were a lot of professors who were participating who
have resigned from their various posts at the university. There
are a number of professors who have put out statements
and writing in support of the student body and criticizing
there of the university and calling for the president to
step down. The university, though in the days since last Wednesday,
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have gone so far as to like cancel all commencement speakers.
John Chu was going to like go and speak like
at the Cinematic Arts commencement. But because of the backlash
that the university has received because of their decision to
silent ASNA, the university, instead of i don't know, taking
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the higher ground or reinstating her option to speak, have
said actually, no commencement speakers, no one speaking at all.
A commencement like the big general one has been canceled
and the smaller individual schools within the university will have
their commencements of sorts. But the university is just kind
(16:53):
of going full force with their decisions and doubling down.
And it's going to be interesting to see how things continue,
because protests at the university have continued since then.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, I was super proud to see Annenburg faculty and
staff release a letter to the university in support of
not only ASNA speaking and how that was completely mishandled,
and also the students right to protest. And in addition,
one of my former mentors, Sandy Tolan, wrote an opinion
piece in the La Times and he basically laid out
(17:29):
how historically universities always blame outsiders, which I think is
what you're referencing too, of like, well, these aren't students
and so they'll blame outsiders as part of a justification
for police action just to quote him my university shameful
double speak threatens to taint promising careers before they start.
(17:50):
Professors arrested, including vulnerable untenured colleagues, may also face sanctions.
So of the ninety three arrested on Wednesday, April twenty fourth,
some of them were faculty and untenured, like Sandy stated.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And the untenured faculty across the board, including at the
School of Cinematic Arts, are they the art themselves in
their own struggles and boycotts and protests against the university
to try and acquire living to win livable wages for themselves.
So our adjunct faculty is yeah, very vulnerable, not making
(18:27):
ends meet, not getting paid enough, not receiving benefits. They're
in their own sort of political and labor struggles with USC.
And now on top of that, we have the political
struggle related to freedom of speech of the students, the
right to demonstrate, and the solidarity with the people of Palestine.
(18:48):
I think that there's been a lot of criticism of
the student protesters, and they are student protesters. The students
organized these demonstrations, they have led the demos, instruations they're
keeping them going. It's not outside agitators, it's the student.
It's enrolled students who pay tuition, who are in the
(19:08):
middle of finals and who are still trying to graduate
and get their work in while also really responding to
this kind of global call.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So a lot of those students have been criticized. Oh,
they deface Tommy Trojan. They spray painted on the Tommy
Trojan and they spray painted on the fountain, and you know,
they're they put up a tent in the middle of
the Alumni Park and they did this, and they did that,
and they did this, and they did that, and it's
all very petty, and I think it's all this sort
of way to avoid the topic at hand.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, it's like when people get mad for protesters smashing windows,
like it's gonna be okay. You know, the building is fine,
Tommy Trojan is fine, like the issue at hand, And
I think exactly what you're saying, like, well, why are
the students pro testing? Like keep that question in mind, Well,
thirty four thousand Palestinians have been killed since October seventh,
(20:06):
Remember why the students are protesting? And the students are
fed up? Like everything we've been told to do has
not worked. Call your elected officials, nada, like all these things.
And not to say that those actions aren't important, but
I think the students in a way, campuses can be
these like safe havens where you can, you know, assemble
(20:27):
and you can have protests, usually without the threat of
police violence. And we've obviously seen that this time around
that has not been the case at many of these
college campuses. But protests at college campuses are not new.
We've been seeing that since the Civil Rights movement. We
saw it ten years ago when I was an undergrad
during the Occupy Wall Street like there were there have
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been campus takeovers, campus protests for decades and decades, and
we will continue to see them. But remembering why the
students are protesting.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I am very curious to see if the president is
going to resign, because there's certainly calls from inside the
house and outside the house for her to resign because
of her handling of this situation. Yeah, and in undergrad
we were also protesting. The student organization was called Students
for Justice in Palestine as JP. Now it seems like
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the name has shifted divest from death.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think that one's us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Specific, but the cause and the issue is the same.
We have a really incredible interview for you guys today.
And if you have been keeping up with the goings on,
you probably saw a viral clip going around on Instagram
from a USC parent who showed up to campus on
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the day of the first set of protests last Wednesday
in support of his daughter, who is a student an undergrad,
and he was voicing his opinions about how proud he
was of his daughter for demonstrating and fighting in support
of Palestine. If you saw this clip, he talked about
how even if she got arrested, he would be proud
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because of she's fighting for what she believes in.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
We're really grateful to Lasato, a widow, for joining us today.
He is originally from Adiquipa, Peru, And when we saw
this video go viral, you know, if you're approving in
la you kind of know everybody. And so when my
friend Edith told me, Hey, I know that senor. He's amazing,
(22:33):
she offered to connect us. So I want to thank
her for connecting us, because he has been inundated with
messages of people trying to interview him and he's gone
on to do a couple interviews, so we're really grateful
that he is in studio with us today.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Spanish interview, you know, so we're asking questions both in
Spanish and English. He's answering in both Spanish and English.
So I think this is the perfect interview for you
to send to your family, for you to listen to
you with your family, because over the years we've talked
about how important these conversations are to have with our families,
how the changes at home, how multi generational intergenerational convos
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are really important and impactful and can be long lasting.
And I think he's a really great example of that.
So we're really excited to have him with us today.
But before that, we're going to go on a quick
break and we'll be right back soon.
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Speaker 3 (29:07):
But in for Marce de la Berta.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Why did you decide to go to campus in person
to support your daughter and the protests? Was there a
safety concern? Did your daughter invite you? Did you decide
you wanted to be there yourself in person to participate?
How did how did you come to the decision to
show up.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Basically, everybody saw what happened on Columbus University, and I
was so frustrated in the United States and everywhere in
the world that a university campus has to be free
of policemen. No police, no military has business on the
(29:53):
on the university campus. So when I saw that on
Columbus University, says man in the unit, I stay supposedly
to be a freedom country where we have freedom of speech, everything,
and they are calling the authorities of the university are
calling the police to go inside and arrest the students
(30:14):
that they are peacefully protesting. That was insane for me,
says No, I got it doanting. So I learned that
most of the universities we're going to go into a
support Palestine. Yes, and I had that responsibility because I
know my daughter goes to us. Then the first choice
was go to USC. So that's the decision that I made. Basically,
(30:39):
thanks to the struggle to the fire of the Columbus
students Columbus University. Thanks to then, I think thanks to then,
to the decision that they made it to stand up
for Palestine. Is that most of the universities today are
raising the voice for Palestine.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
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Speaker 4 (31:16):
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(33:10):
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Speaker 3 (34:00):
You look at.
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this idea? Did you?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
At what point did you see campus police like intervening
with the students and how did it start, because I
think campus police came in and started to try and
disrupt the protest first and then the l A p
D came in. And I'm very curious about what you
(35:41):
saw and how it escalated security of.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
The campus, A university police, the private police. They were
over there and they were they were around us, about
around all the students and they were trying to say
to anything or you don't go to some place. But
everything was okay. There was not too much here, no repression.
(36:05):
They were over there. So the parents that were there,
the kids, the students, We were doing what we were
supposed to do, protesting. Many people, many students that they
were doing videos to share it to show the rest
of the people, the rest of the world, what we
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were doing over there.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But there was no violence at that point. The problem
is start when.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
There was a commander, LAPD sergeant or something that came
and says, oh, no, you have to move up with
a with a loud boys, and the students says, no,
leave us alone. We are here protesting. This is our home.
But somehow I learned hours later that they received an
(37:02):
order front or they okay from the university directors that
the police has to go inside. So they receive the okay, okay,
the police can come because we want all these people out.
And that's when the police start coming up. When the
police show start showing up, was really scary because they
(37:26):
they on their faces. This looks like they don't believe
in anything.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They are.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
They were just pushing and they have like a some weapons,
but I have it's no letter weapons, but they have
some weapons. And when I saw coming many cars, many bands,
says okay, this is the moment that they're gonna start
arresting the people. When that chapter, the police, the police
(37:54):
helicopter start announcing, Okay, we are gonna if you don't
live in ten News, we're gonna be a you and
everybody has to go get up from the campus. And
that gave the students more energy to say, no, we
are going to stay here. This is our couse and
we're going to defend it. You were there and see
(38:15):
the students that the police were going after them, and
they say, no, we are y say we have a
peace protesting. We're protesting peacefully. You have to get out,
no US. But the police didn't care. They pushed all
the students and start chasing the students. And it's something
that you don't have to see in any country and
(38:40):
listen peace country that they supposedly.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We are a freedom country.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And for context for our listeners, the LAPD was on
campus and threatening arrest. It was really early. It was
early in the day. I mean, I don't think at
the USC protesters they were not there for even like
eight hours before the police, the riot police were called,
(39:10):
which is really wild because at all these other universities,
I think Vanderbilt, their encampment has been up for like
twenty eight days or something, and at USC it was
like less than ten hours before police were allowed on campus.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Everything was fast.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But since I was there in the morning, I had
a car with a Palestinian flag, and I was around
the university, and around the university there were police cars.
So it was surrounded by police. There were many chapters
and helicopters, and so they were waiting just for the
(39:48):
order of the president, the president of the university. Once
they get it, they didn't weigh nothing, They just went
and started doing their team.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, by new the helicopters were up there by twelve noon.
And all this time when all of this is happening,
Are you with your daughter? Are you together? Was your
daughter separate from you? Tell tell us about how that worked, like,
did you have eyes on her?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Did she get arrested on all these hours that I
was there, because I was many hours.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, since the morning. I got a chance to see
her two or three times. Yes, for a few seconds.
We say, oh how are you? Oh you were okay
because she she was having finals. You and thought she
was having finals and she has to give some cong
wark or something like that, and she was studying.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
She told me. I tell you a younger studying. But
I finished this and I go back to the protest.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
So she was with a computer studying there in the
park everything and the protest too, and a lot of
students they were with the laptop studying, doing their homework,
and Base sickly on the moment of the rest will
Low's contact and I started to try to call her,
and she did an answer.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
She was at an answering and says, I saw her here.
I look around, but I didn't seek her.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And the first thing that come to my mind was
that she was gonna arrest it, and says, and I
put on my mind is if she get arrested, I
A'm gonna go with her. I don't care because as
a father, my daughter was teaching me a lot that day.
(41:37):
You have to be brave and you have to defend
what you believe in. And I didn't go with intentions
today to be arrested or anything like that. I just
went to because I've been going to other protests, march
like that, to super Palestine, to enter genocide. But just
thinking that your daughter, your that is doing that, and
(42:01):
a ton of students, a ton of students doing that,
defending what they believe and they were willing to be arrested.
Mentor gave me memories to when I was a student
and says the struggle that we're going that we had
(42:23):
forty fifty years ago. The new generation is doing the
same thing. But I have I am sure this generation
is going to change the world because this generation is
more informed, it's brave, it's not doesn't get intimidated easily.
See it's like in one day from Columbia University to
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the rest of the country, and now there are others
in other countries universities are doing the same. From one university,
he's going to everywhere. And I to enestry problem my
daughter that she did that their friends that they were
there when they were arresting that that day all the
students I was filming every one I did. I had
(43:11):
a TikTok and I was doing a live video showing
all the all the students that they were arrested. And
so how the signal got cut off and I thought
I lose the signal. I tried to go inside against
TikTok to do another live video and I received a message, No,
you're banning for and you you cannot do live videos.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
For until May.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
So and a lot of the students that were they
were doing that that happened to them too, so and
even thought so the videos that squeezy around is the
videos that they were pro recorded, not some of them
not live videos, but they were banning many many accounts.
When I saw I saw many girls like my girl,
(43:57):
and now you approached to them here wasn't here, said
maybe my girl is arrested. So he says, I have
to stay here. You're not gonna move from here. They
have to rest me. They're gonna arrest me. And always,
as a father, you don't want nothing bad happened to
your kids. It's an instant that we have and the
(44:19):
kids they don't want nothing to happen to their parents.
But we are ready for them when I talk to them,
if something happened to me, you don't have to You
have to keep on going, keep on fighting.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
That's not the end. We have to keep on going.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Will be sad, or we will cry for a moment,
but we have to keep on going because what they were,
what they were, Everything that we are doing here on
the stage and everywhere is nothing, nothing comparing to the
things that are happening in Palestine nothing so any sacrifice
that we can do it. And I I make a
(44:55):
call to all the listeners that whatever you can do,
if you compare for the things for the software and
they are going in Palestine is nothing. And we the
last thing we have to do not to be afraid
and speak up and start speaking up more and more
and start telling the people that doesn't know or that
they are afraid that they can't speak up to. They
(45:18):
have to decide what's right or wrong. And we have
to defend always humanity. That's the main point here.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It comes off can controls.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Soup came not.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
Yaada you make real yeah, alas a algunos studi antes
(46:06):
vilas commissars study antes mihro no your style yeah ye
man Camille stacai in in your campus. You know your
style to say partola amilia pula doo or wull you
come a party, maintain this.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Your pa.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Barbara, yeah, pro correct it all amidia style being contained
this day so pert so jos pequanos, I'm being no
(46:54):
is correct lost pay you the puest sa puestos common
parents signs, stec machinasos and palestina werfens com commass and
tiller sat e particos il sabin no k coutarist no
(47:19):
pork car bi tantabos, policias se mass persona a s sina,
the masts and squilla Vio mascots much ambividoto and squails
and regards to sab and the toys has caused us
to stardio cult really window Palestina ms correctors tink to
(47:43):
Marconi is the Moonings Claroka general cos the plus y
tromar port ma como padres ya wu persona MAJORI begunnos
bidos the Palestina, the squerpos practical medolado Loni, los padres
(48:05):
and Toronto partitas, the sus babs videos on the los
bulldoz madrisqui stanties.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Can contral.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Palestinos benas manos a trase congressposas if we're cribados combalas
saberto is as cosas Yeah no not.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
The par effect miss Maner can be affected.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Pat aera CiCi ilgo p romeno.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
They go, Okay, you say your crist miter in cera.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
Boy in sernando a personavlara is my mid manera you
do com sicos minina la minor a yeah jah nother
time okay, still calls ja Java cos Palestina, couela, Yeah,
(49:14):
toto ya Palestina the city city and it appearing u
to Kevin the sukhu la mayor, Jev Munyaki, Yes, Jeva
su san diem taking poor weather melo loeva lets plaice
casefico colorist vla Sandiya. So yeah, time for commas is
(49:38):
los mit your toldo los mica al suela the boy
comed Cao free Palestine, casuandra com muchos pisunac photo la
pass as consas so mostra gestamos in Palestina, Palestina, caro.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Familiaries is maner is mass.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
It's almost cada mask almost mass Palestina. Kiamo fin del fuego.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
With that context and everything you just described about the
atrocities taking place in Palestine, what do you say to
the people who criticize the student protesters, Oh, they spray
painted on the Tommy Trojan statue, and oh they were
cursing at the police officers, or oh they threw a
(50:56):
water bottle or they stuck their middle finger up. Because
a lot of that type of criticism is going on
out there, and I think also from the president of
the university and the administration interrupting the flow of campus activities.
But in light of the atrocities you just described in Gaza,
what do you say to those types of criticisms.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
That's a joke. That's a joke for me. It's a.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
How you're gonna compare if they eat those people that
are criticizing what the students are doing, if they have
a little humanity in their car, they will be ashamed
to do.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Those those accusations.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Whatever the students do, anything they can, whatever, there's nothing
comparing for.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
With what is happening right now in Palestine.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
It's nothing they are complaining about a graffiti to they
try to put it, or that some kids they try
to paint on the floor free Palestine with some criers,
and that doesn't compare with what's happening over there. An
It's like, I feel like insulted because they were supposed
(52:18):
to be the first ones who speak up and teach
the students to be against what's happening in Palestine. They
are supposed to be the main speakers to get peace.
Because if you, as the president of the university, you
(52:38):
don't care about the freedom of thinking of the students.
And if you don't care about peace, you are over there. Yes,
for your money, for your pocket or whatever reason, but
not for the good will of the students. Because the
students have to be free thinkers. They have to decide
(53:00):
what you do in life. Nobody has to push them
or dictate. Oh you have to think this way. If
you want to get a good job, you have to
think this.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Goit.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
No, every single human being is unique and we have
to be free always to think. But they are not
going to buy the conscience of the students. And right
now they are trying to buy the conscience of the
students by threatening the students, by telling them, hey, don't
do this. Oh it's okay to support is weel, But
(53:28):
it's not okay to super Palestine. No, that's not right.
So we have to be straight up to that. Never
get intimidated. Never you don't look the little point over here.
When over there there are rivers of blood over here,
(53:49):
they trying to complain. Oh, they throw a barrel on
the head of somebody.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
So what Right.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Over there there are thousands of thousands of kids that
has been assassinated brutally. That that's worse than a I.
For me, I know what's a genocide, but when I
see these videos, that's worse than a genocide. I don't
(54:19):
want to leave good on this country with my hands
with blood, knowing that whatever we can have here, all
the commodities that we can have here, is thanks to that.
The government is killing thousands of thousands of people abroad
in other countries. Just a week, that happened Palestine, that
(54:42):
happened before in Iraq. So the list goes on and
on and for me right now, the direct responsible of
this genocide is the United States government because they're sending
millions and millions and millions of dollars to your United
States government is guilty too because with our money. That's
(55:04):
why the people is protesting. With our money, that money
has to be used kid in the States. We have
so much need over here that if we used a
portion of that money, many problems will be solved on
the States.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
And this was one of the demands of the student
protesters that us see divest, divest from Israel and from
the war machine and from the genocide machine. It's a
huge issue that's been going on since before we were born.
I think that's important to talk about as well. This
is an ongoing conflict, genocide, and students have always protested
(55:46):
and risen up and led the charge, and people have
always criticized students at every turn and at every occasion.
And I think that history is going to look back
very kindly at the students, and there's going to be
a lot of criticism towards the universities who participated in
this repression. So yeah, thank you so much for sharing
(56:08):
your perspective and your reasons for being there and your
insights with your daughter and everything that you saw on
campus last week.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
I really appreciate your invitation. And never give up, Never
give up on this file. The struggle is not since
October seventh. This struggle is since I remember, since I
was a kid, my father used to teach me about Palestine.
So this is going on for generation, since the last century.
So we have to keep on speaking up, never be silenced,
(56:39):
don't be afraid, don't let nobody by your conscience do
that right thing, Always do that right thing.
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the protests that have been taking place across college campuses.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We are in a historic wave of anti genocide marches, demonstrations,
sit ins, encampments right at this moment, being led by
students across the country. And we're going to start with
a hyper local example that has been making the news
for all the wrong reasons. We're going to talk about
the University of Southern California USC and the way that
(02:29):
USC administration, in partnership with the LAPD, have been stifling
the voices of student protesters and have really been engaging
in a lot of fascist, repressive tactics.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I think we should touch on what started at Columbia,
because that really set the wave for the rest of
the college campuses. At Columbia University in New York, students
created a gaza solidarity encampment and they were at a
university lawn and that led to a that led to suspensions,
and they were doing teachings, even did a satyr with
(03:04):
their fellow Jewish allies Jewish students, And this was all
at the tail end of the President of Columbia testifying
in front of Congress, and so it seems like it
was timed directly and intentionally for that when the president
would return, the President of Columbia would return to campus,
there was going to be a big protest. That's an
(03:25):
awful wave of solidarity protests at other campuses. It reached USC.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
USC, I think is one of the most recent to
join in the public demonstrations and the setting up of encampments.
And I think that at USC, one of the triggering
factors was not only to join the wave of student protests,
but I think USC students pretty specifically were responding to
(03:53):
university sanctioned silencing and repression of a Muslim student, Na Tabusam,
who was elected chosen selected to be this year's US
valedictorian to become and she's an undergraduate. To become a
valedictorian at USC, there is a selection process, there's an
(04:17):
interview process. She essentially had to apply to be vetted.
She was stacked up against other students, and ultimately the
university chose her to be their valedictorian for the class
of twenty twenty four. There is a little bit of
a gray area and confusion around what happened in the
(04:39):
days and weeks since USC selected Osna to be their valedictorian.
As I'm a USC student currently and we receive emails
and updates and things, and what we learned is that
the university rescinded Osna's option ability to speak at commencement,
(05:02):
which is like, the reason you become the valedictorian is
to speak at commencement, to be the class representative. You
are an outstanding student. The university and the student body
supports you and not only your academic pursuits, but you
as an individual to the point that you are chosen
(05:24):
to address your student body and family, friends and the
community at commencement. So Asna the university, after offering her
this role of valedictorian, decided that they were not going
to let her speak. And in the communications that we
received from the university, I feel like there was a
lot of coded language. It was discussions of campus safety vaguely,
(05:46):
and the safety and security of commencement and of the event.
There was no specific statement that a threat has been
made against Asna, our speaker, our valedictorian, or we have
received threats to the university. It was more like, in
anticipation of potential threats to campus, we are not allowing
(06:12):
our valedictorian to speak. Now important. Usna is a Muslim woman,
she is studying. One of her miners is a resistance
to genocide minor, So she definitely is socially conscious, socially aware.
She definitely has expressed herself on her own private social
(06:34):
media accounts and apparently one of the reasons why her
opportunity to speak at commencement was pulled because somebody went
and dug up posts that she had made on her
own personal social media accounts.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
She had shared a link that was in support of Palestine,
and the way that it's being talked about is for
the quote destruction of Israel, which I think is she's
like purpose they're purposely misinterpreting the link that she posted,
and to my knowledge, it wasn't even actual like in
feed post. It's like someone went and looked at like
(07:12):
what links are like in her bio, but it's been
spun to be this anti Semitic sentiment feeling belief when
she has been calling for anti genocide.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And and something important. Again, this is a very young woman,
so she's graduating from undergrad.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
She's probably twenty one.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Probably twenty one, a major in biomedical engineering and her
minor in resistance to genocide. From what we know this,
she's not like a career activist. She's not like a speaker,
you know, she's not a journalist. She's a student. And seemingly,
overnight her name has been put out there into this
(07:59):
spotlight that I don't think that she wanted or was
looking for. The La Times did a write up about it,
Various outlets have picked up the story, and a lot
of folks have shown up online and now in person
in solidarity and in support of her. And of course
the people of Palestine. So this is the context in
(08:21):
which we find ourselves at USC last week.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like the campus climate is that, like let Asna speak,
people are protecting free speech. I've seen former professors say, hey,
we might not entirely agree with her stances, but we
believe in the right to free speech. And this student, Asna,
had not even written her speech yet, so there were
a lot of assumptions and projections made against her.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yes, and you know, it's quite possible that she would
have said nothing about Palestine in her commencement speech. We
have no way of knowing. And even if she were, so,
what she's allowed to speak and to speak her mind.
And especially at a university, these are supposed to be
supposed to be places, right that encourage study, thought, expression, outspokenness.
(09:09):
What have you? So USC joins the student body right,
joins this wave of student activism and is responding to
this very specific instance of the university silencing and repressing
a Muslim student who is an like an outstanding student.
(09:33):
If you're valedictorian can't speak.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's like the highest door.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
If you're valedictorian is not safe from repression. What hope
does anybody else have for expression, for free speech, for
standing up, for demonstrating. So this is what we're dealing
with that USC. So I was on campus last week
and we're in the middle of like study days, final exams.
The campus is getting ready for commencement right now. Last week,
(10:02):
on the twenty fourth, I was there around noon, and
by noon, by twelve o'clock, there were already helicopters circling
the middle of campus. There was already an LAPD helicopter,
and the students who had begun demonstrating had not been
(10:22):
there even half a day. I was getting videos from THEOSA,
who was getting videos from others of like campus security
trying to tear down the encampments and getting rid of
tents and signs and such. I'm seeing the helicopters. There
(10:43):
were at least five helicopters. One was definitely an LAPD helicopter,
the others maybe news helicopters, I'm not sure. I went
over there to check it out and to do a
little documenting on my own, and I saw what you
would expect to see at a protest, is students protesting
and with signs and channing and maybe a loud speaker
(11:05):
people observing, and then people participating, folks of all ages,
and at a university, it's hard to say who's who.
You can assume most are students, some were definitely faculty, others,
community members, allies, folks who eventually showed up as the
day went on, because as the day continued, the university
(11:28):
like escalated things to a level that it didn't need
to get to. And of course, when that starts happening
and the LAPD is called and students are getting detained
and dragged, folks are putting out a call to action,
you know, come down to us in solidarity and in support.
And that's what happened, you know. So as the day
goes on, I'm seeing posts on Instagram, on the internet
(11:52):
calling for bodies come to campus because there's a police
presence here. Now eventually they shut down the campus and
you had to show a student ID if you wanted
to get in. They were ordering people in the center
of campus at Alumni Park to disperse, to get out
of there, or they were going to arrest everybody. I
(12:13):
ended up. I was working on a final project, so
I was in our post production editing lab, and that
lab is open every day until midnight. By seven o'clock
the campus had shut down. The riot police were on campus.
There are helicopters everywhere, and they shut down the labs
at seven. They were like, you guys need to be
(12:33):
out of here by seven fifteen. So then at that
point we're like, okay, how can we get home? What
streets are open? We don't want to walk by the
riot police. What's going on at all these other universities.
There was not necessarily outright support of the student body,
but they at least let them protest for a full
(12:54):
day before they went in and tried to drag people
out or arrest people.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
On Wednesday, April twenty fourth, USC students and organizers from
USC's Divest from Death began building out their liberated Zone
or what they were calling a liberated Zone at Alumni Park,
which is a central part of campus, and that began
at five am. The whole list of programming. My friend
Sie Glali sent me the list of programming they had
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scheduled for the whole day, and with the programming, they
also had been publicly displaying their list of demands, and
their list of demands is essentially to disclose. For USC
to disclose defend and divest from Israel. And what that
means is that investments made by the university goes to
(13:43):
weaponry that's made aircraft that is then sent to Israel,
and so that's where the divesting is coming from. And
because it's a private university, they don't technically have to
disclose how much it is where that funding is going.
And so that's what the students are asking for. They're
asking for more transparency. And they had their list of
demands which totaled to six things, and war profiteering and
(14:08):
investment in genocide, complete academic boycott of Israel, protect free
speech on campus and provide full amnesty to all students,
staff and faculty. Stop the displacement from South Central to Palestine,
no policing on campus, and end the silence on the
genocide in Palestine. So really asking the university like take
a stand, release a public statement.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And what was so fascinating too is a lot of
my fellow classmates were extremely shocked by what was happening.
But something that we know to be true is US
is not us, is not Berkeley, It's not Davis. It's
the University of Spoiled Children. That's what it's known for
it's private, it's exclusive, it's elite, and it's not known
(14:51):
for being a politically progressive place that that encourages dissidents,
that is like encouraging of protest in this way. And
they showed that the actions on the part of the
university were like very on brand in a very bad way,
(15:14):
and very on brand for the LAPD as well. And
there was a lot of like, oh, well, they're not
all students. I heard a lot of that, and we
really have no way of knowing who's a student and
who's not. These are thousands of students on campus, and
(15:35):
not every student looks the same. Not everyone is like
blonde hair, blue eyed, with boat shoes.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
There were a lot of professors who were participating who
have resigned from their various posts at the university. There
are a number of professors who have put out statements
and writing in support of the student body and criticizing
there of the university and calling for the president to
step down. The university, though in the days since last Wednesday,
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have gone so far as to like cancel all commencement speakers.
John Chu was going to like go and speak like
at the Cinematic Arts commencement. But because of the backlash
that the university has received because of their decision to
silent ASNA, the university, instead of i don't know, taking
(16:31):
the higher ground or reinstating her option to speak, have
said actually, no commencement speakers, no one speaking at all.
A commencement like the big general one has been canceled
and the smaller individual schools within the university will have
their commencements of sorts. But the university is just kind
(16:53):
of going full force with their decisions and doubling down.
And it's going to be interesting to see how things continue,
because protests at the university have continued since then.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, I was super proud to see Annenburg faculty and
staff release a letter to the university in support of
not only ASNA speaking and how that was completely mishandled,
and also the students right to protest. And in addition,
one of my former mentors, Sandy Tolan, wrote an opinion
piece in the La Times and he basically laid out
(17:29):
how historically universities always blame outsiders, which I think is
what you're referencing too, of like, well, these aren't students
and so they'll blame outsiders as part of a justification
for police action just to quote him my university shameful
double speak threatens to taint promising careers before they start.
(17:50):
Professors arrested, including vulnerable untenured colleagues, may also face sanctions.
So of the ninety three arrested on Wednesday, April twenty fourth,
some of them were faculty and untenured, like Sandy stated.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And the untenured faculty across the board, including at the
School of Cinematic Arts, are they the art themselves in
their own struggles and boycotts and protests against the university
to try and acquire living to win livable wages for themselves.
So our adjunct faculty is yeah, very vulnerable, not making
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ends meet, not getting paid enough, not receiving benefits. They're
in their own sort of political and labor struggles with USC.
And now on top of that, we have the political
struggle related to freedom of speech of the students, the
right to demonstrate, and the solidarity with the people of Palestine.
(18:48):
I think that there's been a lot of criticism of
the student protesters, and they are student protesters. The students
organized these demonstrations, they have led the demos, instruations they're
keeping them going. It's not outside agitators, it's the student.
It's enrolled students who pay tuition, who are in the
(19:08):
middle of finals and who are still trying to graduate
and get their work in while also really responding to
this kind of global call.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So a lot of those students have been criticized. Oh,
they deface Tommy Trojan. They spray painted on the Tommy
Trojan and they spray painted on the fountain, and you know,
they're they put up a tent in the middle of
the Alumni Park and they did this, and they did that,
and they did this, and they did that, and it's
all very petty, and I think it's all this sort
of way to avoid the topic at hand.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, it's like when people get mad for protesters smashing windows,
like it's gonna be okay. You know, the building is fine,
Tommy Trojan is fine, like the issue at hand, And
I think exactly what you're saying, like, well, why are
the students pro testing? Like keep that question in mind, Well,
thirty four thousand Palestinians have been killed since October seventh,
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Remember why the students are protesting? And the students are
fed up? Like everything we've been told to do has
not worked. Call your elected officials, nada, like all these things.
And not to say that those actions aren't important, but
I think the students in a way, campuses can be
these like safe havens where you can, you know, assemble
(20:27):
and you can have protests, usually without the threat of
police violence. And we've obviously seen that this time around
that has not been the case at many of these
college campuses. But protests at college campuses are not new.
We've been seeing that since the Civil Rights movement. We
saw it ten years ago when I was an undergrad
during the Occupy Wall Street like there were there have
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been campus takeovers, campus protests for decades and decades, and
we will continue to see them. But remembering why the
students are protesting.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I am very curious to see if the president is
going to resign, because there's certainly calls from inside the
house and outside the house for her to resign because
of her handling of this situation. Yeah, and in undergrad
we were also protesting. The student organization was called Students
for Justice in Palestine as JP. Now it seems like
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the name has shifted divest from death.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I think that one's us.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Specific, but the cause and the issue is the same.
We have a really incredible interview for you guys today.
And if you have been keeping up with the goings on,
you probably saw a viral clip going around on Instagram
from a USC parent who showed up to campus on
(21:47):
the day of the first set of protests last Wednesday
in support of his daughter, who is a student an undergrad,
and he was voicing his opinions about how proud he
was of his daughter for demonstrating and fighting in support
of Palestine. If you saw this clip, he talked about
how even if she got arrested, he would be proud
(22:08):
because of she's fighting for what she believes in.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
We're really grateful to Lasato, a widow, for joining us today.
He is originally from Adiquipa, Peru, And when we saw
this video go viral, you know, if you're approving in
la you kind of know everybody. And so when my
friend Edith told me, Hey, I know that senor. He's amazing,
(22:33):
she offered to connect us. So I want to thank
her for connecting us, because he has been inundated with
messages of people trying to interview him and he's gone
on to do a couple interviews, so we're really grateful
that he is in studio with us today.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Spanish interview, you know, so we're asking questions both in
Spanish and English. He's answering in both Spanish and English.
So I think this is the perfect interview for you
to send to your family, for you to listen to
you with your family, because over the years we've talked
about how important these conversations are to have with our families,
how the changes at home, how multi generational intergenerational convos
(23:13):
are really important and impactful and can be long lasting.
And I think he's a really great example of that.
So we're really excited to have him with us today.
But before that, we're going to go on a quick
break and we'll be right back soon.
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Speaker 4 (24:20):
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pueblo indi and palestinius scado canestos guando.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
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Speaker 4 (27:30):
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was mintiassandol rez socialists los media alter nativos.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
But in for Marce de la Berta.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Why did you decide to go to campus in person
to support your daughter and the protests? Was there a
safety concern? Did your daughter invite you? Did you decide
you wanted to be there yourself in person to participate?
How did how did you come to the decision to
show up.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Basically, everybody saw what happened on Columbus University, and I
was so frustrated in the United States and everywhere in
the world that a university campus has to be free
of policemen. No police, no military has business on the
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on the university campus. So when I saw that on
Columbus University, says man in the unit, I stay supposedly
to be a freedom country where we have freedom of speech, everything,
and they are calling the authorities of the university are
calling the police to go inside and arrest the students
(30:14):
that they are peacefully protesting. That was insane for me,
says No, I got it doanting. So I learned that
most of the universities we're going to go into a
support Palestine. Yes, and I had that responsibility because I
know my daughter goes to us. Then the first choice
was go to USC. So that's the decision that I made. Basically,
(30:39):
thanks to the struggle to the fire of the Columbus
students Columbus University. Thanks to then, I think thanks to then,
to the decision that they made it to stand up
for Palestine. Is that most of the universities today are
raising the voice for Palestine.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Equanos test manassa vi truss padres or truths from familiarso
so kevio theriaud is.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
A university amada enti including commi.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Part come.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
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de las mana pasadas clos, studiantestestanda pacific amnes avia groups,
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the studentes cantando a inclusive amelis persons, minories, ninos, festa jovens,
contambois cantando dando as a as a Palestina perion elfinde Heno,
perion al Fuego, Caumira, Peru, festa Novia, gum tibo, novien
(32:37):
in gum Peliro, Paracels, universitarias I and Tomadola de peder
re Poliicia. The Los Angeles elp Police, Benga al campus
are the premier russolament, premier intimidar am midas studi antist
not Restarlossa, parami cre albert Como Kila police and past
(33:10):
persona todos. You know that not having your campus Universitario Mintos,
the Pasi Copro taming and albo andandos. You know the
campus Universitadio Nasa Ristados. If we group the personas Lamia
Joe aa Papa just on the casino ananos por paraqui
(33:39):
todo U grupo the s s Guirla Manifestasio and Verson
Siero manifestos and tambi navi muchas padres e literal the
jove como la policia pelos studiantes, studientes par carrados Korean.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
You look at.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Parandela policia in the pest the very group of the
balleen tesco and paramimi respetos veran there toto tolls or
not forqu Tomarola, the ken us, the cidero kear cia
(34:22):
in protesta no fenders with the ritual lives press. You
know pa defendre la campu Niversitario. It being paradefend there
like Palestina. It is zero restados, No the fendenda Palestina.
Jul Vitus Tito Joe mass Angola response when they say
(34:51):
momento ko canalestvis armentary stardo.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
See this pose university. They must be studi antist when
this idea? Did you?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
So?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
At what point did you see campus police like intervening
with the students and how did it start, because I
think campus police came in and started to try and
disrupt the protest first and then the l A p
D came in. And I'm very curious about what you
(35:41):
saw and how it escalated security of.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
The campus, A university police, the private police. They were
over there and they were they were around us, about
around all the students and they were trying to say
to anything or you don't go to some place. But
everything was okay. There was not too much here, no repression.
(36:05):
They were over there. So the parents that were there,
the kids, the students, We were doing what we were
supposed to do, protesting. Many people, many students that they
were doing videos to share it to show the rest
of the people, the rest of the world, what we
(36:28):
were doing over there.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But there was no violence at that point. The problem
is start when.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
There was a commander, LAPD sergeant or something that came
and says, oh, no, you have to move up with
a with a loud boys, and the students says, no,
leave us alone. We are here protesting. This is our home.
But somehow I learned hours later that they received an
(37:02):
order front or they okay from the university directors that
the police has to go inside. So they receive the okay, okay,
the police can come because we want all these people out.
And that's when the police start coming up. When the
police show start showing up, was really scary because they
(37:26):
they on their faces. This looks like they don't believe
in anything.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
They are.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
They were just pushing and they have like a some weapons,
but I have it's no letter weapons, but they have
some weapons. And when I saw coming many cars, many bands,
says okay, this is the moment that they're gonna start
arresting the people. When that chapter, the police, the police
(37:54):
helicopter start announcing, Okay, we are gonna if you don't
live in ten News, we're gonna be a you and
everybody has to go get up from the campus. And
that gave the students more energy to say, no, we
are going to stay here. This is our couse and
we're going to defend it. You were there and see
(38:15):
the students that the police were going after them, and
they say, no, we are y say we have a
peace protesting. We're protesting peacefully. You have to get out,
no US. But the police didn't care. They pushed all
the students and start chasing the students. And it's something
that you don't have to see in any country and
(38:40):
listen peace country that they supposedly.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
We are a freedom country.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And for context for our listeners, the LAPD was on
campus and threatening arrest. It was really early. It was
early in the day. I mean, I don't think at
the USC protesters they were not there for even like
eight hours before the police, the riot police were called,
(39:10):
which is really wild because at all these other universities,
I think Vanderbilt, their encampment has been up for like
twenty eight days or something, and at USC it was
like less than ten hours before police were allowed on campus.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Everything was fast.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But since I was there in the morning, I had
a car with a Palestinian flag, and I was around
the university, and around the university there were police cars.
So it was surrounded by police. There were many chapters
and helicopters, and so they were waiting just for the
(39:48):
order of the president, the president of the university. Once
they get it, they didn't weigh nothing, They just went
and started doing their team.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, by new the helicopters were up there by twelve noon.
And all this time when all of this is happening,
Are you with your daughter? Are you together? Was your
daughter separate from you? Tell tell us about how that worked, like,
did you have eyes on her?
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Did she get arrested on all these hours that I
was there, because I was many hours.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, since the morning. I got a chance to see
her two or three times. Yes, for a few seconds.
We say, oh how are you? Oh you were okay
because she she was having finals. You and thought she
was having finals and she has to give some cong
wark or something like that, and she was studying.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
She told me. I tell you a younger studying. But
I finished this and I go back to the protest.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
So she was with a computer studying there in the
park everything and the protest too, and a lot of
students they were with the laptop studying, doing their homework,
and Base sickly on the moment of the rest will
Low's contact and I started to try to call her,
and she did an answer.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
She was at an answering and says, I saw her here.
I look around, but I didn't seek her.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And the first thing that come to my mind was
that she was gonna arrest it, and says, and I
put on my mind is if she get arrested, I
A'm gonna go with her. I don't care because as
a father, my daughter was teaching me a lot that day.
(41:37):
You have to be brave and you have to defend
what you believe in. And I didn't go with intentions
today to be arrested or anything like that. I just
went to because I've been going to other protests, march
like that, to super Palestine, to enter genocide. But just
thinking that your daughter, your that is doing that, and
(42:01):
a ton of students, a ton of students doing that,
defending what they believe and they were willing to be arrested.
Mentor gave me memories to when I was a student
and says the struggle that we're going that we had
(42:23):
forty fifty years ago. The new generation is doing the
same thing. But I have I am sure this generation
is going to change the world because this generation is
more informed, it's brave, it's not doesn't get intimidated easily.
See it's like in one day from Columbia University to
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the rest of the country, and now there are others
in other countries universities are doing the same. From one university,
he's going to everywhere. And I to enestry problem my
daughter that she did that their friends that they were
there when they were arresting that that day all the
students I was filming every one I did. I had
(43:11):
a TikTok and I was doing a live video showing
all the all the students that they were arrested. And
so how the signal got cut off and I thought
I lose the signal. I tried to go inside against
TikTok to do another live video and I received a message, No,
you're banning for and you you cannot do live videos.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
For until May.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
So and a lot of the students that were they
were doing that that happened to them too, so and
even thought so the videos that squeezy around is the
videos that they were pro recorded, not some of them
not live videos, but they were banning many many accounts.
When I saw I saw many girls like my girl,
(43:57):
and now you approached to them here wasn't here, said
maybe my girl is arrested. So he says, I have
to stay here. You're not gonna move from here. They
have to rest me. They're gonna arrest me. And always,
as a father, you don't want nothing bad happened to
your kids. It's an instant that we have and the
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kids they don't want nothing to happen to their parents.
But we are ready for them when I talk to them,
if something happened to me, you don't have to You
have to keep on going, keep on fighting.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
That's not the end. We have to keep on going.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Will be sad, or we will cry for a moment,
but we have to keep on going because what they were,
what they were, Everything that we are doing here on
the stage and everywhere is nothing, nothing comparing to the
things that are happening in Palestine nothing so any sacrifice
that we can do it. And I I make a
(44:55):
call to all the listeners that whatever you can do,
if you compare for the things for the software and
they are going in Palestine is nothing. And we the
last thing we have to do not to be afraid
and speak up and start speaking up more and more
and start telling the people that doesn't know or that
they are afraid that they can't speak up to. They
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have to decide what's right or wrong. And we have
to defend always humanity. That's the main point here.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Be right back.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It comes off can controls.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
Soup came not.
Speaker 4 (45:46):
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(46:06):
vilas commissars study antes mihro no your style yeah ye
man Camille stacai in in your campus. You know your
style to say partola amilia pula doo or wull you
come a party, maintain this.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Your pa.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
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this day so pert so jos pequanos, I'm being no
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is correct lost pay you the puest sa puestos common
parents signs, stec machinasos and palestina werfens com commass and
tiller sat e particos il sabin no k coutarist no
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pork car bi tantabos, policias se mass persona a s sina,
the masts and squilla Vio mascots much ambividoto and squails
and regards to sab and the toys has caused us
to stardio cult really window Palestina ms correctors tink to
(47:43):
Marconi is the Moonings Claroka general cos the plus y
tromar port ma como padres ya wu persona MAJORI begunnos
bidos the Palestina, the squerpos practical medolado Loni, los padres
(48:05):
and Toronto partitas, the sus babs videos on the los
bulldoz madrisqui stanties.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Can contral.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
Palestinos benas manos a trase congressposas if we're cribados combalas
saberto is as cosas Yeah no not.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
The par effect miss Maner can be affected.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Pat aera CiCi ilgo p romeno.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
They go, Okay, you say your crist miter in cera.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
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do com sicos minina la minor a yeah jah nother
time okay, still calls ja Java cos Palestina, couela, Yeah,
(49:14):
toto ya Palestina the city city and it appearing u
to Kevin the sukhu la mayor, Jev Munyaki, Yes, Jeva
su san diem taking poor weather melo loeva lets plaice
casefico colorist vla Sandiya. So yeah, time for commas is
(49:38):
los mit your toldo los mica al suela the boy
comed Cao free Palestine, casuandra com muchos pisunac photo la
pass as consas so mostra gestamos in Palestina, Palestina, caro.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
Familiaries is maner is mass.
Speaker 4 (50:21):
It's almost cada mask almost mass Palestina. Kiamo fin del fuego.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
With that context and everything you just described about the
atrocities taking place in Palestine, what do you say to
the people who criticize the student protesters, Oh, they spray
painted on the Tommy Trojan statue, and oh they were
cursing at the police officers, or oh they threw a
(50:56):
water bottle or they stuck their middle finger up. Because
a lot of that type of criticism is going on
out there, and I think also from the president of
the university and the administration interrupting the flow of campus activities.
But in light of the atrocities you just described in Gaza,
what do you say to those types of criticisms.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
That's a joke. That's a joke for me. It's a.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
How you're gonna compare if they eat those people that
are criticizing what the students are doing, if they have
a little humanity in their car, they will be ashamed
to do.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Those those accusations.
Speaker 4 (51:42):
Whatever the students do, anything they can, whatever, there's nothing
comparing for.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
With what is happening right now in Palestine.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
It's nothing they are complaining about a graffiti to they
try to put it, or that some kids they try
to paint on the floor free Palestine with some criers,
and that doesn't compare with what's happening over there. An
It's like, I feel like insulted because they were supposed
(52:18):
to be the first ones who speak up and teach
the students to be against what's happening in Palestine. They
are supposed to be the main speakers to get peace.
Because if you, as the president of the university, you
(52:38):
don't care about the freedom of thinking of the students.
And if you don't care about peace, you are over there. Yes,
for your money, for your pocket or whatever reason, but
not for the good will of the students. Because the
students have to be free thinkers. They have to decide
(53:00):
what you do in life. Nobody has to push them
or dictate. Oh you have to think this way. If
you want to get a good job, you have to
think this.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Goit.
Speaker 4 (53:07):
No, every single human being is unique and we have
to be free always to think. But they are not
going to buy the conscience of the students. And right
now they are trying to buy the conscience of the
students by threatening the students, by telling them, hey, don't
do this. Oh it's okay to support is weel, But
(53:28):
it's not okay to super Palestine. No, that's not right.
So we have to be straight up to that. Never
get intimidated. Never you don't look the little point over here.
When over there there are rivers of blood over here,
(53:49):
they trying to complain. Oh, they throw a barrel on
the head of somebody.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
So what Right.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Over there there are thousands of thousands of kids that
has been assassinated brutally. That that's worse than a I.
For me, I know what's a genocide, but when I
see these videos, that's worse than a genocide. I don't
(54:19):
want to leave good on this country with my hands
with blood, knowing that whatever we can have here, all
the commodities that we can have here, is thanks to that.
The government is killing thousands of thousands of people abroad
in other countries. Just a week, that happened Palestine, that
(54:42):
happened before in Iraq. So the list goes on and
on and for me right now, the direct responsible of
this genocide is the United States government because they're sending
millions and millions and millions of dollars to your United
States government is guilty too because with our money. That's
(55:04):
why the people is protesting. With our money, that money
has to be used kid in the States. We have
so much need over here that if we used a
portion of that money, many problems will be solved on
the States.
Speaker 2 (55:20):
And this was one of the demands of the student
protesters that us see divest, divest from Israel and from
the war machine and from the genocide machine. It's a
huge issue that's been going on since before we were born.
I think that's important to talk about as well. This
is an ongoing conflict, genocide, and students have always protested
(55:46):
and risen up and led the charge, and people have
always criticized students at every turn and at every occasion.
And I think that history is going to look back
very kindly at the students, and there's going to be
a lot of criticism towards the universities who participated in
this repression. So yeah, thank you so much for sharing
(56:08):
your perspective and your reasons for being there and your
insights with your daughter and everything that you saw on
campus last week.
Speaker 4 (56:16):
I really appreciate your invitation. And never give up, Never
give up on this file. The struggle is not since
October seventh. This struggle is since I remember, since I
was a kid, my father used to teach me about Palestine.
So this is going on for generation, since the last century.
So we have to keep on speaking up, never be silenced,
(56:39):
don't be afraid, don't let nobody by your conscience do
that right thing, Always do that right thing.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Grasses at Us.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
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Speaker 2 (57:01):
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Speaker 1 (57:03):
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