Lots to Say: Super Bowl Champion Clay Matthews

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots to say, we got lost, to say.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We're better here and we.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hope you say because we got lost, to say, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Got lost, to say, now here's Bobby that right now
you can intro our guests, Oh, our guests, The one
and the only Clay Matthews. This guy comes from a
family dynasty of NFL football. It starts with his grandfather,
Clay Senior, who played in the NFL. His two oldest sons,

(00:50):
your father, Clay Junior and Bruce, both were first round
draft picks, played nineteen seasons in the NFL. You have
three cousins that played in the NFL. You and your
younger brother, Casey both played in the NFL. You obviously
have an incredible career, six time pro or NFC Defensive
Rookie of the Year. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Defensive Rookie of the Year and NFC Defensive Player of
the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yes, one nd percent. I was just about to say that.
By the way, no notes bull winning linebacker. You know
it's he is incredible. He's an incredible person and also
an incredible player and a friend of mine. Welcome to
the show, Clay Matthews. We'll catch up for you. Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
So my question is Casle and I were talking and
he was like, hey, I should hit up Clay and
I said, be awesome, and he said I see him
at a school board meeting or something to that effect.
How how do you guys know each other now?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah? Well, I mean I think if we want to
talk about how we know each other now, we got
to go back to how we first met each other.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
That's college, Rightee, we got we got it. We got
the trojan helmet out trojan.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
For those who don't know, Matt and I were on
the same University of Southern California football team. And what's
great is how our stories and I've got to sing
Matt's praises and one of the reasons why every main
friends with Matt until this day, for for many reasons,
but one of them being the similar trajectory that we
took in college. In that Matt, I'm sure when you'll
have to fill me in. It was at one point,

(02:16):
maybe third string, second string just could never crack. The
starting lineup was playing behind Heisman Trophy winners in Carson Palmer,
Matt Lioner, and obviously he goes to the NFL and
thats tremendous success and couldn't be more proud of him.
You guys like Ryan Khalil, you know, guys who were
you know, kind of had to sit on the bench
and we all went through this thing. But just by chance,

(02:40):
I grew up in southern California, much like Matt. Matt's
career took him around. And I don't want to speak
for you, but obviously he settled out here in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
And then you played for a lot of teams, just
a few, yeah, mark him down.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
He played played more more years than me. So and
then we were just when I retired, we were still
in southern California, and we're your typical COVID family. We
just took a look around and realized that's not where
we wanted to raise a young family, and we moved
out here. And my older brother Kyle, who also played
with Matt at the time at USC, was out here,
so we want to be closer to family. Just so

(03:11):
happened Matt was out here and his family we had
a you know, a relationship from years past, and kids
ended up going to the same school and the rest
is history.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
It's pretty It's pretty funny because I remember the first
time I met you, you weren't even at us he yet.
Kyle and I had a day off and we came
out to west Lake and we came out to Westlake
to your home there, and we're sitting there, We're just
messing around, and your dad goes, hey, let's go out
in paintball. And I was like, you want to do what?
And he's like, let's go out in paintball. So we
go get these paintball guns and we get all suited up,

(03:41):
suited and booted, ready to get out there. And they've
got this large landscape out on the it was a huge,
massive field, right yeah. And so all of a sudden,
his dad, Clay Junior, comes out and he's in a
full wookie suit, like.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
He's gilly suit, and he made him sell his suit.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
He made it himself. And I'm like, oh, he's for
real now when you're six', five like two forty. Five
he looks like a tree moving in the, woods, right
but he is shooting us all. Over so we went
out and paintballed that whole entire afternoon and then Obviously
clay came TO usc soon there. After and the amazing
part about this guy is he comes, in he's a walk.

(04:19):
On he's what one hundred and ninety pounds soaking. Wet
one hundred and ninety pounds soaking, wet does not look
like the man he is. Today and SO i remember
AFTER i, GRADUATED i came back about two off seasons
later AND i go into the weight room to get
a workout, in AND i see this guy and he's
got this beautiful, hair it's pulled. Back he's like snatching

(04:40):
two twenty five in a. Month AND i said to
Our strength And condition, COACH i, Said Coach, carlile who is?
That he, goes Let's Clay. MATTHEWS i was, like oh my.
God the guy had completely transformed, himself grown into his
own own. Body and then at that point his career took.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Off did you grow where did you?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Work it was. BOTH i MEAN i was a late.
Bloomer that's just a nice way of SAYING i went
through puberty. Late we got to school probably around two.
Twenty although it was all in my legs and, PHYSICALLY
i was not mature and not ready to play for
the best team in the country at that, point team
that was littered in five star recruits and blue chip.

(05:19):
Athletes but every YEAR i just kind of stuck with.
THAT i put on about five pounds AND i just
got sharper mentally and physically to the point where you,
KNOW i was there for five years. Too so by
my third, YEAR i should say my fourth, year started
getting in games where you, Know i'd playing garbage time
and sharpening my. Craft and then my last, YEAR i
know you had asked the, question But i'm just hijacking

(05:40):
this real. Quick but my last year ever Since griffin
came in And Pete carroll had said at the time
he could play in THE nfl right, now SO i
got no chance at. Playing so they moved. Me they
KNEW i had, talent And Brian cushing was playing in
front of me and went on to have an amazing
career as. Well first round. Pick we put in a bear,
defense zero two, threes but two stand up outside. Linebackers

(06:03):
it was me And. Cush we played outside backer AND
i was rotating in every third, series and fortunately a
couple of games into the, season they recognized THAT i
had some ability to rush the passer and be, disruptive
and that's WHEN i took. Over but to answer your,
question it was a little bit of both mature and
late and just kind of sticking with.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
It your whole family played. Football were they all bigger
at the age when you say you hadn't developed? Yet?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
No actually, No my uncle and father very much were same.
Trajectory you, know they were just late bloomers and they
didn't come into their own until college and obviously into THE.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Nfl did you have any scholarship? Offers they say you
walked on but smaller schools, none, zero no. Way, yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Incredible in, FACT i didn't. Either we have that in.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
COMMENTS i got no offers, either or did?

Speaker 2 (06:48):
You did you lie to people? Too BECAUSE i remember
going in there as a you, know it's such a
the locker room is so, unique and as a as
a walk on coming, in there's there's a stigma and
some of it's true about being a walk, on it's
NOT I i you, KNOW i hold it up now
as a badge of. Honor by at the, time you
don't want people to. Know SO i lied people like,
WELL i Got Idaho Arizona. STATE i picked the low

(07:10):
hanging fruit in the pack ten at the, TIME i
JUST i THINK i Said, Arizona Arizona state In, idaho
and the you, KNOW i kind of slipped in the
crowd right. There BUT i didn't have any.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
You, know growing up in the family that you. Did
did you have a normal childhood or at what point
did you realize That matthew's name holds a lot of
weight and did that put added pressure on you growing?
Up and how was that for you as a.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Kid, honestly it didn't that any pressure me. WHATSOEVER i
think just growing up WHERE i went to my father's
games On, sundays whereas you, know he worked on the,
weekends whereas most working nine to five Or monday Through.
Friday THAT i kind of grew up around it AND
i was immune to, it so to, speak and that
it didn't phase. Me now WHEN i got older in high,
school there you know what, happened or you're going to

(07:53):
play in THE. Nfl BUT i, NEVER i, NEVER i
never looked past the, day you, know the, present you,
know playing in THE, nfl playing in. COLLEGE i just
kind of fell into. IT i fell into being a walk.
ON i got my a kicked WHEN i got, there
AND i wanted to quit AND i just kind of
stuck with. It but as far as my, childhood my
dad was not like you, know some of these golf
dads you see or some of these these baseball dads

(08:14):
you see nowadays that are just, like you're going to be.
Great he was just, like, eh if it works, out works,
out try to get me in the golds gym out
there in a. GORE i just, Like, DAD i don't
want to do, this you. Know and it really took
until my junior year in high school THAT i made
a commitment to you, know better, myself getting, bigger you, know, faster,
stronger all. That BUT i had it had to come from.
Within and OBVIOUSLY i would assume for most, boys their

(08:35):
greatest role model is their. Father was no different from, me,
so you, know watching, HIM i was, like, well, SHOOT
i hoped the one day play in THE, nfl BUT
i never you, know my childhood wasn't different from anyone.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Else's but if you'd wanted to be an account and,
skateboard it.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Would allow me.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
To.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah he just his biggest piece of advice was it
doesn't matter what you, do just be great at. It
just give, it you, know max effort and you'll be all.
Right and that's trying WHAT i tell my kids. Now it's,
like you don't have to play in THE. Nfl you
don't have, to you, know but just but just be
great at whatever it. Is you give it your all
and you will be great when you do.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
That, Yeah so you get drafted To Green. Bay you're
a first round. Pick you played really one season AT
usc and you go in and you hit the ground
running and they actually Traded brett fav to get that
pick and go. Up did you even realize that when
that happened at the time or are you just, LIKE
i can't Believe i'm a first round pick after one
year of playing and then you hit the ground.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Running, yeah it was pretty. WILD i, remember if we're
going to relive my college, experience let's just fast forward
to the fifth and final, year which is all that really.
MATTERS i didn't start for the first three, games AND
i played really well as a situational pass. RUSHER i
had a few, sacks force, fumbles fumble, recovers were playing really.
Well but once Again everson was in front of, me
and we had a loss On thursday night To Oregon,

(09:49):
state our only loss of the, year and fortunately we
went back in On, Monday we're gonna getting ready to Play,
oregon And pete looked at, Me, hey you're in the
starting line of don't let me, Down and so that
was kind of. It, NOW i had spent four and
a half years on the, bench SO i wasn't giving
up my spot right. Then so you, KNOW i JUST
i was like the new girl on, campus you know
WHAT i, Mean, like whereas a guy Like cush had

(10:12):
five years of tape and for people to break him
down and say what about, this he maybe have more,
miles you, know on the. Tread and for, ME i
think there was. Curiosity but at the end of the,
day when it came down to A, gm they're going
to want somebody who's. Proven and so for, ME i
knew there was a possibility of going first round because
of WHAT i believed in. MYSELF i just needed one
person to believe in, me and fortunately it Was Green.

(10:32):
Bay and like you, Mentioned, matt they gave up i
think two thirds and a second round pick and that
far of trade they. Got so but to, me you,
Know i'm still so naive and so green Where i'm just,
like all, right this is. COOL i don't even know
Wh wisconsin was on a Map Green. Bay and so for,
ME i wouldn't even say my head was. SPINNING i
just didn't know WHAT i was getting myself. Into AND

(10:52):
i think that that helped a lot in my immediate
successes because it was just business as. USUAL i wasn't you,
know flustered or you, know the money and the fame
whatever that comes with. It it was just, like all,
right this has been my, life you, know from my entire.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Childhood the one year that you walk on and you red.
Shirt so three years you're playing special, teams you Got
Special Teams player of the year those, Years when did
you get a? Scholarship?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Though my third, year SO i was MY i read
shirt in my first. Year was my red shirt sophomore
year on the first day of training. Camp so usually
they wait until for. Us you were walk on, too weren't?
You or, no, NO i earned a.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Scholarship, okay speak for. Yourself i'm.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Sorry, well so normally what they, do and this is
it's not even a dirty, secret but they. Win you
have to have A, gpa your team has to pass
you know SOME gpa and you, know athletes aren't always
the brightest and So i'm blumping myself And matt in.
There and so they usually wait for the walk on
because the walk ons usually get into school based on their,
merit and you, know they usually apply themselves in the.

(11:55):
Classroom but and so they wait until the last week
of you, know before training camp, starts and they usually
have about four or five scholarship and they give them
to the guys who are in their last. Year it's
actually it's really. MOVING i love when guys get scholarships,
nowadays when they bring them and they do a whole.
Cell it's so. Rewarding AND i remember WHEN i got my.
SCHOLARSHIP i was you, KNOW i wasn't really, emotional but
hearing my parents' joy WHEN i called them just fired me.

(12:17):
Up like and so now WHEN i see that like walk,
ons you, know because LIKE i, said there's a negative
connotation that comes with it until you get through. It
and a lot of those, guys you, know they belong
with the frats and they just want to party and
they want to be a part of the football. Team
but there is a lot that goes into, it and
a lot that people don't see that the red, SHIRTS i,
think or black shirts as we call, them the scout,
team just getting your head beat, in and so it

(12:40):
meant a great, deal And i'm still proud THAT i
was able to earn it that.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Way the three videos that make me emotional are one
in order At number, One military family surprising like those
always get me. Absolutely Number, two when they offer a
player a, scholarship basketball or, football mostly it's like the
teams gathered. Around it's the end of a practice and
they're like everybody gathered around Then, chris, oh, okay so that's.

(13:04):
Awesome Number, Three my new one is when players get
called up to the. Majors oh, man they'll bring.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Them in the.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Office i'll be, Like matt been really playing consistent for,
Us we've got Some we've got five good innings out
of you last, week and we need to have this tough.
Talk and it's like COACHING i going. Down you're going
to the bigs every. TIME i guess it's like happy sad.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Tier that's.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Awesome, Yeah i'd probably crad If i've seen, that.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Though we'll just get more, mature you.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Know talking about the walk on in, itself and now
that they've expanded the scholarships for the football, programs and
they say that the walk on is going to go?
Away do you think that that is going to hurt
college football a little? Bit because guys like, you and
we've seen it throughout our, career guys that develop a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Later Baker MAYFIELD jj wattred these guys were walk on
who you know have gone on to do amazing. Things, well,
YEAH i mean obviously haven't gone through it. Myself those,
GUYS i, mean you can, laugh but they're the cornerstone
of some teams because those are the guys who give
the looks during the week that we get to practice,
against and you need those. Guys there's a role for those,
guys and everyone's gonna go on to be a first

(14:07):
round pick and having an AMAZING nfl. Career but, YEAH
i don't think you'll ever go, Away. MATT i, KNOW
i Know i've heard that because of you, know today's
Nil but which also leads to a separate conversation, about you,
know the reason WHY i got to Where i'm at
is because of the struggle THAT i had to deal.
With AND i don't mean in the sense, of you,
know my associoeconomic class and HOW i grew, up but

(14:29):
just kind of WHAT i had to overcome and scratch
and cloth. For and nowadays when you're able to transfer
and you're you're bidding yourself to the highest, bidder it's you,
Know i'm curious about the resiliency of these athletes moving
forward when they get to the next. Level it's gotta
be tough for THE nfl when you're looking at guys
who you know are jumping. Around, obviously talent will supersede everything.
Else but at the end of the, day like when

(14:50):
push comes to, shove it's the fourth, quarter it's a tie.
Game LIKE i want guys who are battle hardened and.
Tested who were.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Some of the guys that when you first came in
the league took you under their wing and you'd say
had an impact in your career of showing you how
to be a.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Professional, yeah well those are those are the guys WHO
i still AND i tell everybody, this a guy like.
YOU i already Mentioned Ryan, Khalil Sam, Baker Lendale white
as a matter of, fact you, know he was always
good to me, because LIKE i, said the not THE
nfl locker, room the collegiate locker. Room THE nfl locker
room is you, know it's a little more inclusive of you,

(15:40):
know because you've all gone through you, know the collegiate,
ranks you've all you, know made, it so to. Speak
but in college it's very separating to your, superstars your
mid level, guys your your your you, know your tier
threes like. Myself and so those guys who had lofa
Tatupu matt grud to good guys who had success but
looked out for, Me Frosty, Rucker Mike, Patterson Sean. Cody,

(16:03):
ACTUALLY i guess there was a great deal and that
helped because my brother had played With matt and before,
me so he had a few friends on the teams, that,
hey can you know look out for my. Brother AND
i still got my head beat. In BUT i had
guys in my corner and everybody who had MENTIONED i
still hold them in such high regard because you, know
they didn't have to treat me any specific. Way it
could have just treated me like everybody. Else but they

(16:24):
were great to, me looked out for, me and you,
know took care of.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Me If i'm In california AND i grew up A california,
kid there are two PLACES i don't want to play.
NOW i want to play anywhere in THE, nfl that's.
Amazing BUT i want to go To. BUFFALO i don't
want to go To Green bay because freaking, Cold like it's a different.
Level it's like. Alien it's Like mars minus andundred degrees.
Cold that to your body does What that's a, transition,
right you.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Know it's a, Transition BUT i don't. Know there's something
about it. Too it's mental. Wargames you. Know you see
these guys coming From florida's they got their ski mask,
on their shirt off in pre. Game you're, like you
ain't it is like a four hour. Game you're not handling.
This BUT i also found like being the kids From
california with the long blonde, hair like, obviously oh are
you going to handle? THIS i felt LIKE i had
to go over and beyond of like SO i was

(17:05):
the guy pouring water in my, hair icy coles at
the tip of my hair AND i BUT i loved,
IT i you. Know and Then NATURA i played into
my you, know My nordic roots and and. Everything but
Now Green bay and and Now buffalo with the success they've.
Had yes they are small market.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Teams but the Notn.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
But you got to it's both teams are playing in
the coal so at that point you're in the same,
elements whether it's your, footing you're route, running passing the.
Ball it just comes down to you know who wants
it more and who's mentally tough and when you when
you live in that but you have to live.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
There, yeah BUT i, mean, like CAN i See, Clay
i'm just a big Pudd well, YEAH.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I, mean but if you live, there you'd you'd you'd
be blue cott just.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Retire one of the coolest GAMES i have ever Been
and we went there With. Detroit it was negative five
at game time And i'm, like what you could even,
spit it would just stick to your face. Mask i'm,
like and were you one of those guys that would
put stuff on underneath or you were just.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Sleevelessly only one game DID i wear a long. Sleeve
we were In. Chicago it was like seven. DEGREES i
had flew that. Game and you talk About Michael jordan's
FLU i was. Trash that was so, bad shaking on
the sideline and that was the only GAME i ever.
Wore but, NOW i, mean once you start, playing once
you get to the sideline, too they give you the
parkas and the beanies and they wrap you up and
you got the. Heater it's it's not that bad at.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
A point, though BECAUSE i did a lot of hunting growing.
Up i'm from Rural, arkansas so we hunted a. Lot
but there was a point where none of that stuff.
Back once you're already, cold you're just, cold like you're just.
Cold you can put all the stuff. On here's just.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Cold i'm also all, right well but that's when you're
the mental comes. In you, know you got? It, Okay
well you can develop. That there's still. Time, YEAH i
don't think they can send you off to the frozen.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Tundra, well, yeah we should just start developing that mental
toughness for.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
You.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
YEAH i got in different, ways just not that way.
There i'm curious, whenever let's say things started to work
for you and you're constantly double, team do you're constantly
the target or you're always i, Mean mike's on you
all the, time like you are the center of what
they have to pay attention to. Do they have to
start moving you around like they do a receiver in
order to get them. Open so people aren't always chipped

(19:03):
the running bas always sipping, you So i'll always double teaming.
You when does that come into play with you in THE?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Nfl so my first my rookie, YEAR i wasn't double
teamed until week. Seventeen we played The Arizona cardinals AND
i Think kurt we were actually gonna play them the
next week in the wild card, round and So Kurt
warner was the. Quarterback they played him for like seven.
Plays he sat. Out we beat The brakes. Off Matt
liner was actually got some good hits on, him but

(19:30):
we went, like you, know forty two to twenty or.
Something so we went in the next week thinking we're
gonna kick their, ass and you, KNOW i, WAS i
was HAVING i WAS i was rushing pretty good at that.
Game AND i remember the next week we went out,
there they started double teaming me and chipping me with
a back AND i remember being so flustered BECAUSE i
had never been double team. Before now you guys stopped
doing you, know like you just it's not, fair you

(19:51):
know this and. That and that was my first time
and from that POINT i was double. Teamed but the
one thing you realize is like there's no point bitching
and complaining about. It it's just comes down, to like
you look at the greatest pass, Rushers Miles, GARRETT Jj,
Watt jared aut guys of our generation as, well that's
not an. Excuse the greatest players are expected to be
double team whether it's a receiver or you, know whatever it,

(20:13):
is and they're expected to make the. Play, so you,
know your mentality has to continue to shift as you
progress in the. League so that next year twenty ten
was the year we won The Super. BOWL i ended
up having another pretty good, season and you, KNOW i
just had to continue to to elevate my Mental are you.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Moving around a lot, though so they can't find you
or at least it's harder to find.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
You, yeah you KNOW.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I felt LIKE i could do it. ALL i felt
like you could line me up over the center, guard
tackle whatever it, is AND i was able to have you,
know some shake strength everything to allow myself to free myself. Up,
yes because when you stay on the edge sometimes it
gets you, know they can find ways to work around.
You you, know you could run, away run, too there's

(20:58):
ways to negate a pass. Rusher but when you're playing
off the ball, backer you're moving around in different, gaps
running games with. Others it's harder to locate that, guy
but you have more opportunities to make.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Plays wouldn't you say that was your biggest? Strength? Though
it was your versatility because every time we played, you,
guys if he lined up in the same, position we
would think our lucky stars because we knew where he
was going to line, up but he would move to
off the ball. Linebacker he'd, be like he, said over
our center and create some confusion, there and so you'd
mess with the protection. Schemes but you had that dynamic.

(21:31):
ABILITY i remember we played you In. Dallas one of
the hardest. HITS i Think i've told you this, before
one of the hardest Hits i've ever ever. Took you
lined up at the weak side. Linebacker our running back's
supposed to get, you AND i just see you blitz
off AND i was, Like, okay here he. Comes i'm.
Waiting i'm dropping back in the. PERIPHERAL i can kind
of feel you getting. Closer i'm, like when is he
going to get picked? Up and you just buyout, me

(21:52):
absolutely crush me in my, ribs knock the breath out of,
me And i'm, like what just? Happened my running back
was supposed, to which is a mismatch, anyway, right because
it's a mismatch, league And i'm sitting there going ah
in my running back comes back and, goes oh my, bad.
DUDE i went out on the. FLARE i was, like
he blitzed at the, snap like there was no question
whether or not he was. Coming he didn't, bluff he

(22:13):
didn't do. Anything but that was a major strength of
yours in terms of being a, player in the versatility
that you had because you could play so many different. Positions,
yeah WELL i enjoyed it. Too it kept me kind
of it kept me engage in the. Game you know
when you line up on one side and you're Always.
Russian obviously that's WHAT i did very well is obviously you,

(22:34):
know holding my, edge pursued in the run, game and
then you, know trying to rush to the. Quarterback but
when you go inside a couple of years WHEN i
played inside, linebacker it just it, unlocks you, know a
little bit of complacency that sometimes sets in when you
play the same position and repetition kicks. In so for,
ME i felt that was a great shot BECAUSE i
know there was times in my career WHERE i was
Covering Jamal charles out of the. BACKFIELD i was Covering

(22:57):
gronkowski on a seven.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Route, Gosh i'm. Blanking why AM i blanking on The
chiefs tight end right? Now i'd cover him at. Times,
WOW i was On Tony Travis. KELSEY i. DID i
did play Against. TONY i need to help with, him but,
YEAH i mean you, know and Then i'd be lined
up against, Uh Jason kelsey at center and some of
the best, tackles AND i think. It, yeah it helped myself,

(23:19):
out to help the team out and kept me, engaged
and it was just fun because it was it was something,
new something. DIFFERENT i took pride in, being, uh being
able to do it.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
All there's always every draft some body part that isn't
quite bick. Enough pick it had small. Hands now this,
year the tackle AT, lsu his arms aren't long, enough,
Right and SO i spent a few days talking about.
This you ever have a short arm tackle where you're,
like we got to go after this guy because he's
Got tranno source rex.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Arms, WELL i know the long arm tackles are a.
PROBLEM i retire In smith just from sc he gave
me the most. TROUBLE I i THINK i got regular,
arms But i'd lean in with a one, arm he'd
slam it. DOWN i go in with a, bullrush he grabbed.
Me i'll go line up over the right. Tackle but,
uh now there's. You you do enough film, study and
your coach does a great breakdown of kind of what.

(24:05):
Works but for, ME i always found, that you, know
there's always that feeling out process of going against a
new tackle or new, linemen and sometimes you can get
after him right. Away with the real elite, players you,
know it takes some times and you have your battles against,
them but NOW i. DON'T i, mean you can sit
there and look at the. Measurables but not to be,
cliche but you, know if they got that dog in,

(24:26):
them then it's, like you, know all's.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Fair one of the cool things THAT i think we
talked about over the. Years you're a BIG ufc, Fan oh,
yeah and so you also implemented that into your training
over the course of the, Years like you'd go, in you'd,
grapple you'd. Learn do you think that that type of
training really carried over into how you played the. Game,
WELL i, can't especially like the hand battling and all that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
STUFF i, Mean i'm going to say it didn't, hurt you,
know it's hard to. Say, yeah it's JUST i definitely
think it. DID i MEAN i think mentally more than,
anything BECAUSE i remember the first DAY i went, there
they asked me to jump rope for three. Minutes my
calf started locking out because you, know in, football you're
exploding for you, know six, nine twelve seconds whatever it,
is and then you get time to to take some time.

(25:10):
Off but, yeah just kind of, that you, know understanding your, body, grappling,
handwork you, know swiping all. THAT i definitely think it
helped in some. Regard BUT i was always trying to
find an edge in the off, Season i'm, sure much
like yourself with whether it be boxing or or cycling
or something like, that just to kind of as you,
know as you get long in the, tooth is just
figuring out new ways to take your game to the next,

(25:31):
level or your conditioning in the off season for that.
Matter what about?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Sparring did you spar while?

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Training i'd we had we had a boxing coach and
we'd sparve me once in a, while but he wouldn't
he wouldn't allow to throw. Headshots we were allowed to
throw at, him but then he'd catch you with like
a liver or body shot and he'd put you.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Down but did you ever think about TRYING? Ufc?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, Mma, NO i just LIKE i like having a
beer on the couch and yelling about that guy, sucks you,
know and HOW i lost money on my.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Bed but you could be the next Brock lessener bro.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
To the, gills you, know And i'm past my.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
PRIME i WOULD i would actually love to see you
in Knock. Gun who's your favorite fighter right? Now BECAUSE
i know that you watch this religious you have broken
off times where we were supposed to go out to
dinner just because you're, like DID i can't go out.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
To ye On saturday? Night did you watch a card last?
Week three? FOURTEEN i. Watched i'm loving the Fighting nerds right.
Now i'm.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Wanted really was hoping for Chan chandler lives. HERE i
know he.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
DOES i know he, Does, ADAM i love.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
HIM i was rooting for. Him patty who JUST, Overtok.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
So i've Been i've been Watching patty since he came,
in and he almost had that he should have lost
to that. DECISION i don't know what his name, is
BUT i feel like after that, win he started taking it.
Seriously And i've watched him AND i saw this, matchup
AND i didn't think it was gonna be. CLOSE i.
DIDN'T i didn't see that. Happening AND i Know chandler's
a great, guy AND i don't mean any you, know,

(26:50):
disrespect BUT i just Think patty's you, know going to
the next. Level but the fighting, NERDS i, know next
week we Got prates And Ian. GARY i think they're
the hottest thing right. Now, YEAH i LOVE i love
talking IN ufc and, UH i feel Like i've been watching.
It so in twenty, nineteen i finished my last year
In Green, bay So i'm waiting around a, few you,

(27:10):
know to see what, happens you, know a free, agency
if they're going to resign. Me and basketball, ended AND
i was still engaged with basketball AND ufc was the
only sport that was on at the. Time SO i
start it was on Every friday Or, saturday and then
WAS i found that it was on every week AND
i Found, OKAY i watched this guy he fought about
three months, ago he's fighting. Again and then everybody has
a story and it's. GREAT i love. IT i love.

(27:31):
It what about.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Wrestling you watch wrestling ever WHEN i was.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
A, kid the attitude, Era But i've i've kind of you,
KNOW i just my kids just starting to get into
a little. Bit but myself personally now.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
SEWN i was talking To Sean michaels yesterday like suck. It,
Yeah and after the, interview buddy of, MINE i were
talking and we're, like, man we got to do a
lot of trouble doing what they did because it was
all suck.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
It and we when we were, Younger, yeah pee wee. Football,
yeah you'd make a. Tager oh, yeah you know double
exits over. Them, yeah triple ah talk about.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Winning The Super bowl the night of the, Win, like
what what's that party? Like is everybody seemingly goes to different,
parties has a different kind of.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Night what was your night? Like? Yeah So Kid rock
performed at our at our after. Party it was. Cool
but once, AGAIN i DIDN'T i didn't take advantage of the.
MOMENT i didn't get there's like one picture of my
family AND i in the. FIELD i regret, That, yeah,
Absolutely AND Nfl network asked by doing an, Interview, yeah
of Course i'll do, It AND i JUST i missed

(28:36):
out on so, much and the, NATURALLY i just, figured you,
KNOW i had this immediate success THE, Nflt we're gonna
do it. Again twenty, eleven we go fifteen and. One you,
know you, know we lose to The, giants and after
that point we just had a hard time getting. Back
we didn't get. Back but to answer your, question it
was it's all a. Blur BUT i ended up exchanging
numbers With Kid rock and getting together with him in
the off, season and just man winning The Super. Bowl

(28:57):
it just unlocks so much fun stuff and puts you
on a different echelon of.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Fame now you're the all time sock leader In Green
Bay packers. History it's a pretty significant. Deal and when
you were chasing that and when you became the all
time sack, leader was that a moment in your career
that you cherish and that you knew that that that
was the pinnacle OF i, mean The Green Bay packer
probably the most storied franchise IN nfl, history and you

(29:26):
just became the all time sack. Leader it's a pretty monumental.
Moment it's.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Cool i'm just Thankful Reggie white didn't play his whole career.
There he had like you, know one hundred sacks And,
philly you, know, however thirty in the for The memphis,
show you, know whatever it. Was but, yeah it's pretty,
cool especially like you had, mentioned just doing it for
The packers, organization AND i would in the program they'd

(29:50):
have like the top five leaders in every statistical, category
and before the Season i'd always rip out before week
one it was like sack leaders and it Was Kabir,
gabaja bive me a Like Aaron campman and, stuff AND
i had it up there AND i WAS i REMEMBER
i start to this WHEN i was at like thirty
sacks AND i ended up getting you know a little over.
Eighty And i'd ALWAYS i was chasing. IT i was

(30:12):
always chasing, it AND i always had that in, mind
and SO i knew WHEN i broke it it was
it was special and it was just a reflection of you,
know everything coming full circle and like, you LIKE i,
said just doing it for that organization was was really.
Meaningful and then of COURSE i think about all the
SACKS i missed and the ones where the quarterback got
the ball off or they threw the ball in the
dirt and got a grounding.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Call so but, yeah, man it.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Was it was fun times playing.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
BALL i haven't played ball your entire, life but also
your dad and your, Grandpa, like that's a lot of.
Football whenever you finally stopped, playing was there a time

(30:58):
where you were trying to figure out who you were
as a person because it had been so football for so.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
LONG i honestly Think i've been fortunate to be in
the POSITION i am because growing up in that, family
watching my dad separate himself from, football he immediately went
into coaching and raising five, kids and so for, me
it's been very much the. SAME i thought it was pretty.
TELLING i signed a two year deal with The. RAMS
i THOUGHT i played very well in twenty. Nineteen they

(31:26):
released me after my first. Year seattle And denver solicited,
offers BUT i had just moved back To california where
we're going to you, know we built this home and
we're going to live, there and you, know offseason rolled
around training camp AND i was eating fatty meats and
beers in the, back and you, know the offers they
were coming at me with weren't moving the. Needle AND

(31:46):
i thought it was pretty. Telling AND i found myself
becoming more and more involved with the, kids their school, schedule,
homework you, know helping take the pressure off my wife
for what she's been sacrificing for so. Long SO i
felt that pressure more than anything, else and SO i
knew it WAS i KNEW i was.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Done never like identity crisis where you're like, no, NO
i am, no, no AND.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think you know we've been So i've been so
big to you, know coaching them, up building a, home
moving To, tennessee new. School that for, ME i, mean
obviously are there times that we, think, HEY i still got,
IT i could MAYBE i should have kept, playing or
OR i could still play. Today but for, ME i
JUST i just FOUND i just kind of slipped into
dad life and that's kept me busier and probably more

(32:25):
stressed out than ever playing. Ball so, no no identity.
Crisis i've had enough things on my plate to Where
i'm not sitting around with you, know idle.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Hands what's the biggest part of the game that you
mess the locker.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Room it's it's, cliche but just that's WHY i enjoy
getting together with. You you. Know it's like retelling these
stories and and just shooting the, breeze you, know because
it once you go back in a normal society and
you and you you, know you meet the dads from,
uh you, know from school and. Whatnot it's just. Different
it's different that we used to.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Do.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, absolutely there's no, race, color religion in the locker.
ROOM i mean it is just. Everyone you take guys
from Southern california to like the northeast To miami To,
oregon and you're all working towards a common goal and
you put everything to the. Side and so some of
my best friends or guys where you grow.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Up, LIKE i.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
DON'T i don't know if we would really, click you.
Know and and that's just so great about the sport
and Why i'm sure we believe it's it's it's the greatest.
Sport but, YEAH i mean just the locker. Room, YEAH i.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
Want to ask About Reggie. Bush so you're playing defense
while he's there as a running. Back you have to
tackle him in.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Practice, WELL i wouldn't allowed to tackle. HIM i think
him And matt got those special gold jersey And matt,
Sorry Matt lioner got those special but you.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Get like that they gave me. One BUT i don't
know if it was fully fully gold got, It like
if you guys need to hit a. Quarterback hit.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Castle, Now reggie Was reggie was good to me as,
Well but, yeah he. Was he was dynamic and just
just built like a. Man you, know like in, college
everybody's coming into their own you, know you got big.
Guys but just he was on a different. Level and
he showed that weekend and wake out AND i mean

(34:04):
OBVIOUSLY i. Didn't you, KNOW i can't speak On Barry
sanders at his time in college and greatest you know,
players but he. Are he's in the.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
CONVERSATION i, think to, me he's the greatest running Back
i've ever.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Seen, YEAH i MEAN i was on the sideline like
for The fresno, Game Fresno, state like JUST i mean
Watching it's just it's remarkable all the. Time you just
take it for, granted you, know especially those teams as. Well,
REALLY i, mean how many first round draft picks guys
who went onto THE. Nfl just the offensive, line The
Heisman trophy, winners just.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Remarkable last, year you were inducted into The Green Bay
hall Of. Fame that had to be a pretty cool
experience for you your family to go back to be.
Celebrated talk a little bit about that. Day and what
everything that you went through on that.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Day, WELL i don't know about, you but you, know
anytime a team decides to move, on for, me there's
that human. Element i'm, like they don't know what they're.
Missing it's just it's. Natural it's it's you, know it's
it's our, insecurities it's. Whatever so going back there and
bringing my kids back there at a point where they're
not little babies and they could appreciate, EVERYTHING i remember them. Well,
actually my wife told me they walked into The Packers

(35:06):
pro shop and there were some like shirts of me.
On it fled my youngest like picked it up and
he was in, bear you, know because it just you,
Know i'm just dad to, them you, KNOW i JUST
i don't have a. JOB i just sit on the,
couch you, Know i'm that dad to. Them but it
was pretty. Cool and then the ceremony was. Phenomenal and
getting back to that locker, room the amount of former
teammates that showed up was remarkable and it was just

(35:29):
it was it was. AWESOME i thoroughly enjoyed my time
In Green. Bay couldn't have asked for a better organization
to go to the success we had the PLAYERS i was,
with the place to raise a. FAMILY i, mean there's
just something About wisconsin that all forever hold close to
my heart AND i love WHEN i get to go back.
There i'll actually be back there for the draft as
a matter of, Fact so but it's it's. AWESOME i love.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
It from What i've learned about you from other folks
that know, you you're a pretty studious. PLAYER i mean you're.
Studying you had played a lot of, places so you
needed to know a lot of the. Players you need
to know a lot of. Formations but what quarterback did
that back to you that knew everything you were, doing
just as you were almost doing everything they were.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Doing. Yeah, WELL i had the hardest time getting After Drew.
BREES i mean he just Was he was so calculated
with where he was. Going we played Because peyton was
in THE. AFC i think we played him once when
he was With denver and he just think we were
six and oh they were, six and oh he shredded.
Us But Drew brees just being in THE, nfc the
top of THE, nfc you know one you guys always
played each other and it was always, fun you, know
Like Aaron rodgers Versus, breeze BUT i just and then

(36:28):
they had Like bush rod and some of these guys
WHO i JUST i had the hardest time Get AND
i REMEMBER i finally sacked WHEN i pushed him, off
like as IF i was mad BECAUSE i finally got to.
Him but he was a. Stud all the guys you hear,
ABOUT i mean you when you get to THE. Nfl
you see these guys Like Charles woodson and stuff when
they're hanging around the, Facility so five six o'clock and you're,

(36:49):
young and you're just you're out of, there and now
that's ninety five percent of the locker? Room does? That
you see the guys who hang, around you, know take
care of their bodies who were in the film. Room you're, like,
OH i get why he's. Good he puts in the
extra time and and those guys Like breeze and them
are obviously they've earned every thing because of what they
gave to the.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Game do you think you learned a lot being on
the opposite side Of Aaron rodgers because he's one of
the greats of all time in my opinion in terms
of quarterback. Play but you know the old phrase iron sharpens,
Iron but you got to go and see his greatness
day in and day. Out talk to us a little
bit about him as a player and what he brought
to that team as a, leader and also just what

(37:28):
you saw on a day to day.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Basis.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, well first, OFF i don't THINK i. EVER i
might have jumped off side once in my eleven year
career because of going Against aaron every day in. Practice
just the hard counter, hard so. Good and then it
finally towards the latter part of my career In Green,
bay he would go on. Four you always said it
was either you, know a silent you, know nia, one, two,
three and then it was, three and, man the clock's

(37:52):
already at zero at that. Point but just such a.
STUD i remember early in my career it was my rookie.
YEAR i had to carry the tight end on a
seam and had my hand up in perfect. Position he
put it right through, me and you just you kind of,
laugh you, know you laugh because obviously in a game
that it just it won't. Happen like you're not gonna
play against a better quarterback who can put the ball
right where it needs to. Be and, YEAH i MEAN

(38:13):
i Love. AARON i love everything about. HIM i, love
uh the mystique around, him And i'm so FORTUNATE i
wouldn't have the success and the platform THAT i got
IF i, wasn't you, know with, him we would in
the Super bowl that. Year so, yeah he's a. STUD
i love, him And i'm interested to see what happens next.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
YEAR i think he's gonna.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
PLAY i don't.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
KNOW i thought for sure he was gonna sign With,
pittsburgh you, know and then nothing's happening right. Now try
to Say Costa rica.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Just put him on the clock, though with their, like,
hey if you don't, sign we're gonna probably go Get,
yeah but it kind of had that little.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Deal, Here, yeah If aaron wants to play and you
know they'll take, him you can sit here and oh
we're gonna. Play we're gonna be a hard. Ass but,
like he still got. IT i watched him last year
and you actually look at his, STATS i, know the
narrative of everything else that goes on around, him BUT i, mean.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
He still got.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
It the, team The jets just looked a. LITTLE i
mean it was hard to watch him last. Year the
yes that, is BUT i still think he's got. It
but at this, point LIKE i don't. Care he's forty
something years. Old he's done it all four, TIME. Mvp
if he wants to walk away or you, know do
whatever it is that he wants to, do, like more
power to.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
Him That achilles, injury though it seems to be the
worst injury when it comes to coming back at a

(39:39):
reasonable and a reasonable amount of, Time when it's a
leg injury like aco, hamstring all all of it. Sucks
right That, achilles and that's what he was dealing with right.
Him cousins had. It it seems to take about a
season and a, half even at a rapid. Rate AND
i think that's part of the reason he started to
play better the second half of last year is BECAUSE
i think it takes a. Minute do you ever have

(40:00):
An achilles injury at? All? Anything?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
NO i was fortunate AND i got a had A
i got a labor a significant labor w tear THAT
i need to get, fixed got little arthritis in my
left and he had surgery on my right. Thumb BUT
i fortunately never nothing too severe that that put me on.
Ir such good. NEWS i was actually when you said
that as far As, achilles do you Remember Adrian peterson's
Year he came. Back we played him obviously for a.

(40:24):
Week he's my, like one of my favorite players ever
PLAYING i just got you knew he was gonna rush
for at least one, hundred probably, two and you just
tried your best to get. Him he was such a
great guy, Too LIKE i don't, KNOW i have such
fun memories of like you, KNOW i was, like, oh
you most hate, Him LIKE i just, DUDE i LOVE
i love playing against like the, best you, know not
to say like OBVIOUSLY i want to, win but LIKE

(40:45):
i love playing against events and the, best And i'm
just in awe like what they're able to do for
him to rush for two thousand yards or whatever it,
was fortunately stopped him like six. Yards. Shy, yes you
know were not getting that.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Record but have you ever have you ever shook his? Hand? Yeah,
yeah it's the most amazing Handshake i've ever had in
MY i can't remember terms of it just makes you
feel like less of a man because it is such
a strong, grip like he comes in and put it
here in the old.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
VICE i just we played Against. Age were you you
were on that twenty Fourteen? Yeah NO usc? Team, Sorry oh,
Yes Adrian Peterson when we Played Adrian peterson in The
Orange bowl and they were just running like a, horse
and SO i have.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Too he was a fall, white all white.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Jo it's like just massive legs and probably no. Socks just,
yeah just a freak of.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Nature.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah but, anyways WELL i was a big fan of.
His SO i remember at The Pro bowl when he
shakes my hand and MAYBE i looked past how. Strong
it was, like, hey can my son take a picture with?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Us what you?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
KNOW i was, LIKE i felt so. Flattered, yeah BUT
i love. Ap he's a. Dog what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Now do you still have any sort of competitive spirit
in you where you have to fill?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
That i'll tell you. What so last, year my five year,
old my, youngest he was playing flag. Football SO i
offered a coach and you, Know i'm over, HERE i,
home a'm bitch and they can play in a five
year Olds we don't. Fall we won our first game
like thirty three thirty, one AND i just was so fired.
UP i told my. WIFE i was, LIKE i get

(42:15):
why people go back into, coaching because if you can't
do it, physically but you have all this this wealth
of knowledge as you get, older and you just want
to pass it on to. Something you just want to
give it to somebody because you have so much to.
Give and So i'm finding That i'm doing that with
my children in, sports specifically my youngest and flag. Football
so we're we ran the table last. Year we're four
and oh this, year SO i GOT i got play
cards drawn, up. Laminated on game, day we're, yeah you're.

(42:38):
Serious oh. Yeah the kids keep. CONTAINING i try and
explain to, them, like don't give up. Contain BUT i
will say this, like, Yeah i'm one of those. Guys
but the kids all have a, blast AND i make
sure we have. Fun i'm not one of, those you,
know sports. Dads Or it's like because we played a
team my first, year they were blitzing every. Play we're
down like forty some. NOTHING i just bit my time
and be, like, hey you, know nice. Sportsmanship i'm over here, like,

(42:58):
hey don't grab this guy's. Flag let them. Score you.
Know SO i like to THINK i still got a
heart in.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
There now does your son actually listened to?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
You, Yeah but the problem with my kids is they're so.
COMPETITIVE i see your kids at school and they're just,
finah they're so his kids are so nice and well
BE i think that's the ultimate.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Compliment so ultimate, Minders like like anybody's like he has
the most well mannered, Children matt. Does, yeah and he's
the exact. Option like he spits on the. FLOOR i
don't know where they get, it.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
But he's got he's got. One he's got one boy
who's got a sparkle in his, eye and he always
comes up to me and talks to. Me, yeah he's like, yeah,
yeah he's got a son Named, clay and he's LIKE
i Watched Bitch perfect, too you, know like he's just
HE'S i Think i'm friends with more of the kids
at the school THAN i am the parents, there just
because they're they're they're at that great. Age but, yeah my,

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kids they THEY i never listened to my father, too
like always put up a what does he?

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Know you?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
KNOW i JUST i was that kind of type of.
Kid and they're so competitive. Though if they can't get
something right, away they're at, school, work, homework, gymnastics, dance,
football like they're just they're like melt. DOWN i used
to be the apparently this kid's. Awful he's so But i'm, like,
no it's it's because they. Care it's because they. CARE
i was the same. Way so if you can focus

(44:14):
that energy into a positive then it'll take you to great.
Places but don't let. It you, know you can't. Quit
you gotta you, know stick with. It So i'm always
having those battles like stop crying all the, time you,
know but, listen you got other kids who are out
there are just happy to be, there whereas my kids, like,
no we want to win one hundred and. Nothing So
i'm trying to navigate that parenting that that fatherly advice of,

(44:35):
like let's, win but let's also have fun and let's be,
great but let's. Not it's it's okay to, lose but don't,
lose you, Know i'm it's it's a struggle. Parent did
you ever go to a sports?

Speaker 4 (44:45):
PSYCHOLOGIST i never, did because that's the THING A matt
AND i were talking about.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
This yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
That is an option. Now, YEAH i think mental health
is a bigger deal now than it was when we were,
younger just in. General and DID nfl teams even provide?
Them did you choose not to go or did you
just they were they weren't.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
There they might have offered it up like my last
year or, two AND i don't you, know if you
need to see, one that's. Fine i've got no beliefs
one way or the other on. THAT i just felt
LIKE i WAS i was, SHARP i was, THERE i
knew WHAT i needed to get, done AND i had
a you, know my father at, home who you, know
always i'd have those calls with, him you. KNOW i

(45:25):
remember we lost my rookie year went four and. Four
we lost to THE o and Seven creams to Call
Tampa Bay bucks And Josh, freeman AND i Remember Kevin,
green my coach has since. Passed HE'S i lost contained
and he leans in my ear goes you lose contain
one more time like he was he wrestled For it
was Like i'm sitting in your ass And i'm just
like just, hot fired. Up SO i called my dad

(45:48):
like that, night and, he'said all, right here's what you
need to, do you, Know so just a LITTLE, X
y AND z next, week rip off two sacks Like
Monday Night, football the THE nfc defensive player that. Week yeah,
know like one of those is just like always trying
to to prove. Myself BUT i went off on a.
TANGENT i forget what the question.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Was.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Now it's just like going to a sports, like oh, yeah,
NO i mean like you had one in your family,
though if you're exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's WHAT i. MEAN i always had somebody to talk,
to and LIKE i JUST i grew up around, it
so to, me like nothing was. New you knew the,
pitfalls you knew the, traps you knew what was, expected
you knew what you had to do in the off,
season LIKE i NEVER i knew to stay away from you, know,
drugs alcohol. Partying LIKE i was very straight edge AND
i was focused because my definition of success was when
you went to a stadium and everyone was wearing your,

(46:32):
jersey cheer and your, name doing your sack, celebration and
when you went to the opponents and they were booing,
you you, Know and that's that's what was fun to,
me the accolades that came along with, it and that
meant you had to work hard and you, know kind
of stay. Straight but you, KNOW i think it worked.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Out it was a mental still. TRAP i definitely saw sports.
PSYCHOLOGISTS i was, Like, Hey i'm struggling this season and he's.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Quarterback that's the.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Quarterback ye go through the mental anguish of the position
because it can be the highs of all, highs but
it can also be the loneliest position because everybody's eyes
are on, you and if you make that critical mistake
or throw that critical, interception it just you feel empty
inside because you let down everybody. WHERE i feel like
there's other positions that can get by with a mental

(47:13):
mistake or they miss their, block but not everybody notices.
That but they notice every single bad play that a quarterback.
Has and sometimes it's just answering those questions over and
over about whether or not you're gonna be at the
organization next, year, this, that and the, other and so
sometimes having a sounding board and get somebody just to
give you that perspective of, look this is their, job
this is what they're gonna. Do they're gonna ask the tough.

(47:34):
Questions BUT i always felt like it was something that
benefited me more than it ever hurt. ME i know
THAT i can be mentally tough and play that, game
but there was times where, yeah it was LIKE i
just need.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
To talk to somebody IF i lost Containing you're, RIGHT
i could hide behind like ten other, guys, like well
the defense should have bailed me. Out but you throw
a pick and you're like hey receive a ran a wrong,
Route like you're still the guy who's got THE qbr
or the one interception on His, YEAH i got a
quick story for. YOU i remember we grabbed lunch In Manhattan,
beach probably after my rookiear was tw thousand and, nine

(48:06):
the year That Tom brady went down WITH acl or was.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That two thousand and?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Eight, yeah, Okay so then before my rookie, year we sat.
Down it was you and your wife and, uh we
were at some. RESTAURANT i forget down. There but he
had come home And, matt you had success that, year
but you guys didn't make the. Playoffs And i'm, like, Well,
matt you should be starting. Over Tom BRADY i remember
telling him, this And, matt, actually you, know because he
has been a part of the. Busy, well, no he

(48:30):
should get his job. Back he, had you, know me
not understanding how it. Works ONCE i got to the,
LEAGUE i, go even as a first round, Pick i'm, like,
OH i got elevated to the. Top but you did well.
Though you went off To Kansas, city made you a
little bag and, uh you know we're on your. Way
you know who would have?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Thought who would have thunk?

Speaker 2 (48:45):
It, Well that's what's, Great. MATT i just you, KNOW
i love the how your how your your life just took,
off your career and. Everything just a big fan of.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
You you know it did my. Friend it's just been
fun to just throw out. Here.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Yeah, Yeah i'm like in the, Middle i'm just Catching.
Brova he has a brow And i'm Just i'm just
trying to take some of. It i'm trying to. Breathing
Bro would you get? Nervous?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Uh, YEAH i was always, nervous you, LIKE i, mean
it's an energy to. Me would you ask IF i was,
Nervous i'd be, like, No BUT i believe it's a
it's a mixture of emotion like, adrenaline like. Fear you,
know there's there's so much into. It So i'm sure
there's there's some. Nerves i'm gonna say there's nerves instead
of being nervous BECAUSE i knew what to. DO i
put in the. WORK i was only nervous IF i,

(49:31):
didn't you, know IF i cheated myself in film study or.
Whatnot and but for the most, part you go in
there and you did everything you. Can you, know you
guys just leave it out. There there was TIME i,
mean there was times WHERE i literally wasn't on the
stat column and you, know had my best week of,
preparation and you, know the media and the fans are
coming down on. You and there was a Time imber

(49:51):
calling my dad one time before a. Game it was
like week. Sixteen we're going out To Tampa. BAY i
had a torn. BICEP i was coming off an adduct or,
strain and it didn't matter if we win or. Lose
we're Playing detroit the next. Week we had to, win
and my dad's, like you, know just just one of
those fatherly. ADVICE i go two and a half, SACKS
i have one of my best. Games so it's like

(50:12):
it's like. Baseball it's like taking hits at the, Bat
like you know you're gonna get your opportunities. There but
there's no point in being in. Nervous you're just trusting
your you, know it's so, cliche trusting your, preparation know
that you're you, know you can get it. Done you
were With.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Green bay obviously your entire career until the tail, end
right and you go to The. Rams what was that
like for? You because when you're with one organization for
so long and now it's a brand new locker. Room
what was it like going in and having you talking about?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Nerves? Yeah, yeah like there's.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Something to be said about that walking into a new
locker room and having to re establish. YOURSELF i don't, know.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
You, know you're. RIGHT i thought it was. GREAT i
thought it was. GREAT i felt this this new, energy
this new, like, OH i could play another five six.
Years SO i went. There, obviously going back TO la warmer.
Weather the team's just coming off a Super bowl kind
of you, know what's The sean McVay, guy all about thirty.
Three i'm thirty three at the, time and he gets

(51:07):
in front of the team and you, know AND i
was With mike McCarthy for ten years In Green, bay
and it's you, know he's From, Pittsburgh pittsburgh tough And,
sean you, know just kind of represent IN la and
letting everybody be their individual and have their their ego and.
Whatnot it. Was it was completely, Different BUT i found
myself having to prove myself. AGAIN i really wanted, to
especially my last. YEAR i came off a career low in.

(51:29):
Sacks you, know we changed defensive. Coordinators i'm, LIKE i,
KNOW i could still play and going there was so much.
Fun we didn't make the playoffs and, underachieved BUT i
THOUGHT i did really well And i'm, like, man next
year we're gonna be in so. FUN i get a
call Like PRIME covid Like, march like hey, man we're
moving into DIFFERENT i was like, What, LIKE i was,
like what do you? MEAN i should be asking for a?
Raise but you know that's how the rams just kind

(51:51):
of they're always moving pieces. Around but, YEAH i felt
LIKE i had to prove myself. Again it was fun,
though and you, know it was really. Well Aaron donald
playing With Aaron, DONALD i didn't play with a guy
like even somebody Like. Julius he, was you, know like
he get double team than. Whatnot And charles Played woodson
played on the back. End but, MAN i went back
to being a rookie. AGAIN i was single the whole.

(52:12):
TIME i had a lot of you, know a wins
and pass rush got my sacks up. AGAIN i, go
this is what it's. Like but it was. FUN i
had a good time, there and you, know we all
wish it could have lasted, longer but, yeah it was.
FUN i had a good. Time THEN.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
I got to Know donald driver a little bit From
dance Within stars and after his career when in a
television did that a little? Bit you had a face
that people knew and you weren't a, quarterback which was.
Rare did you think about getting into entertainment at?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
All and my agents were always pushing, Me, hey you,
know let's, see let's do, broadcasting let's do, this AND
i don't. Know for, ME i just you, know not
to get on this whole die. Try BUT i just
think it's, dangerous you. KNOW i THINK i had immediate,
success you, know in THE, nfl and everybody put me
on a pedestal and everybody's quick to tear you, down

(53:16):
and it's just it's dangerous to put your you, know
beliefs in other people's, words whether it be through social
media or you, know people talking about what you're, wearing
who you're, dating this and. That and for, ME i
JUST i took a step. Back and that's what you, know,
people what? Happened what do you do all? Day i'm, like,
MAN i love. IT i love going out and nobody

(53:36):
not and you, know less people knowing WHO i. AM
i truly am loving the anonymity of just kind of
going out and just doing my.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
NOW i think a lot of people they, lose you,
know that roar of the, Crowd they lose what they.
Were but for, me it's Like i've been, there done.
That and this goes back to you, know my, upbringing
my father and stuff and how he lives his life
and being. Humble AND i can't SAY i was a
humble as, him but you, KNOW i JUST i just am,
Like i'm, Okay i'm at peace with my. Career that's
what he always. Say i'm a peace with my. Career
you could sit here and so do you have any

(54:07):
regrets you wish you would have done? Things? YEAH i mean,
sure but Like i'm at peace with my career and,
Uh i'm good with.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
It you're definitely at. Peace but talk about your new,
passion which is seems to be Far.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Land, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Landy you got to tell them about some of the
projects that you're working, on trees that you've played All,
YEAH i, mean just go for. It.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, so we we were fortunate to get about two
hundred acres close to, town And i've always loved the.
Outdoors i've always, wanted you, know my own, place and
fortunate it's close enough THAT i pretty. Much you JUST
i wass going to go to the land, today which
you had to put on jeans and whatnot to come up.
Here but, man, honestly that's kind of that's philed devoid,
too of staying busy while the kids are at. School

(54:50):
so we were building a, barn a cottage down. There
we got a house close to, town you, know with
the kids and. Whatnot but we got a four acre
pond completely dredged or completely drained, it dredged it. Deeper
Reintroduced florida lar mouth bass subspecies of blue. Gill back.
End they were just fishing out there this past. Weekend

(55:10):
went down To, chattanooga got me some, boulders planted some
trees around. It we got the barn going. UP i
planted an orchard too with my brother AND i one
hundred and seven chestnut. Trees so for those who give you,
know af chestnut used to be the tree of The.
Appalachias they were like that supported the people, here the,
wildlife that's what they built Their barns's what they traded.

(55:32):
With but blight came over From asia wiped them all.
OUT i believe they're virtually, extinct but recently they've been
able within the past couple, decades they've been able to
put together The chinese, chestnut which is blight, resistance and
backbreed it with The american. Chestnuts so it's like fifteen
sixteen So american. Chestnut SO i just love the history of.
It and on top of that, too it only takes

(55:53):
about three to five years for chestnuts to start. Developing
they're super low In, tannin's high in carbs, Proteins so
wildlife like turkey and, deer WHICH i enjoy hunting as
you had, mentioned they enjoy. It you don't have to
wait as long for oaks, too you, know the mighty
oak to grow and produce, acorns which you're obviously Highering
tannin's and. Whatnot so, Yeah I've i've really dove into you,

(56:14):
know soil, health soil, science, sustainability AND i love. IT
i love it SO i mean some people, laugh But i'm,
LIKE i geek out over. IT i just actually was
just reaching to the orchardist down there At South i'm,
like let me pick your. Brain you, KNOW i want
to know what type of organic fertilizer we need to
think about. Using what about? Pruning so did you get beehives.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
TOO i got.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Bees, YEAH i got bees out there as. Well in,
FACT i got to put a new souper on top because,
uh you, know it'll be. Honey it'll be honey season soon.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Enough do you do you put on this full? SUIT
i put on the full.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Suit it's IT'S i got the, smoke a little burlock
THAT i, LIKE i got. This it's IT'S i just
get so hot, though and then they always sting me,
though SO i usually just like just let them do
their thing a little. Bit halfway through the. Year i'm,
like all, right we'll get honey next. Year but, YEAH
i GOT i got lots of projects between just splitting,
firewood cutting, grass just you, know being a just being an.
Outdoorsman most interesting man in the.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
World, yeah who Knew california?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Kid? Yeah all.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Right three final. Questions number, one anybody grabbed the hair
purposefully and you're, like, dude chill. Out, no not.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Purposefully IF i kept it slicked back and greased up and,
wet LIKE i could have it behind my. Shoulders but
sometimes he'd hang right here in the, front and usually
with tight ends when you're fighting with, them it would
get ripped. OUT i Remember i'd go. Back i'd always
see like a like WHEN i was expensive hair salon,
whatever And i'd come back AFTERCAUSE i wouldn't get my
hair cut In Green bay and they're, like oh, man

(57:39):
the hair is kind of beat up a little. Bit
they'd have to do some SOME tlc on.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
It but no splot THAT i.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Know But i've Grabbed i've grabbed dreads before in the.
GAME i remember somebody for The. LIONS i forget who it.
WAS i even A. Paula i'm sorry, man but he
still farmed. Me SO i like grabbed his dreads and
pulled him, down LIKE i is what it is.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
When you did your whole orchard, Thing like that's, it
BECAUSE i LIKE i need to play like. PICKLEBALL i
need to beat people. UP i need to find stuff
some some competitive. Edge but that's yours, Now like you're
trying to grow the greatest farmland in the history yea Of.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Earth yeah, NO i, YEAH i love.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
IT I.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
My uncle had about fifty acres outside Of houston growing,
up and we go out there For easter AND i
always asked to operate the chainsaw and the tractor starting.
Fires i'd Make molotov cocktails with, diesel throw them in,
there just like you, know, ticks fire, ants all that.
Stuff and so WHEN i got my, OWN i JUST
i just kind of naturally took to it AND i
started acquiring you, know implements and, machinery and you, know

(58:38):
we're getting close to finishing our, barn and while to
hang out with the, kids because the kids get there
for like two, hours they walk up and down the,
creek they go, fishing but they've GOT i could stay
there all, day and it's like right in the heart of.
Town so you could take your side by side down
to the to the market down, there you, know get
you some cold.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Ones how'd you do on your sat or act whichever
one you?

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Took not very? Good?

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Really.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
YEAH i was always a try hard. Guy, yeah white,
guy try, hard walk on yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
of course. No SO i, yeah my Brother, Kyle kyle
never my older, brother never applied. Himself he's done very
well in. Life he's on commercial real estate here In
nashville but all over as. Well and he never applied.

(59:20):
Himself and he'll be the first. One i'mit, this AND
i think he Scored i'm making. This so let's say
it was a sixteen hundred essayt maybe like in the fifteen,
hundreds you, know just kind of LIKE i remember my
dad was disappointed at. Him he's, Like i'm disappointed because
all these years you told me you were stupid or,
dumb and, like you, know you're you just didn't apply,
yourself whereas, me LIKE i tried my. Hardest IF i
got above a, THOUSAND i was, like, yes like just
hit the. Threshold but NOW i was actually just telling

(59:43):
somebody the other day WHY i did well at USC
Is because if you're an athlete and you sit in
the front row and you, try they always give you
the benefit of the. DOUBT i remember being In spanish
Class spanish FOR i couldn't speak a lick Of, english
Reading capitalusita In manhattan and a little red riding hood In,
manhattan writing up. Essays you just sit in the front and,
try just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Try have a metaphor for life, though, like, yeah absolutely,
Try like that's ninety. Percent if you show up on,
time you sit up on the front and you, try
that's ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Percent but it also helps that the narrative around athletes
is like you're an, idiot Which i'm leaning. Into so
if you really go on the front and. Try you're just, like,
YEAH i need your, help That i'm here to help.
You so let's just bump that c minus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Up to H have your kids ever seen you In Pitch?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
PERFECT i THINK i think my wife showed my youngest the.
SCENE i think he got embarrassed. Again but, NO i
don't think they've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
It oh you, know we in my car on the
ride to school On, fridays we do Pitch Perfect fridays
and all we do is. Listen we listen to the full,
album and the kids love. It and they found you
and the Pitch perfect and we watched the clip over
and over and they think it's the funniest. Thing this
is WHAT i was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Saying his son came up to me at school and he's,
LIKE i watched you in Pitch perfect. Too for THOSE
i don't, KNOW i had a cameo and Pitch perfect
too where the. Packers we had a group of of
me and some offensive linemen and we bat we'd had a,
riff off ended, up. Bluesing but, nonetheless, YEAH i GET
i find more fans now who are fans of? Mind
because of Pitch perfect and my Limited hollywood. Career all.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Right final, question do your kids ever just watch your?
Highlights you ever walking out your?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Kids, yeah my my, yeah my, Youngest yeah They my
daughter doesn't care as. Much she just wants to watch
Like sabrine. ALONEZ i think those are like dancing videos.
Are but, yeah my, Boys i'll watch that and they
get all. Fired and THEN i watched it also that
was like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
My kids catch me all the time watching my, highlights like,
Crying like remember the kids watch, This they're, Like i'm,
Good i'm, Good, Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Clay we really appreciate. It, man this has been. Awesome
thanks for having, Me thanks thanks for giving us an,
hour and, uh it's pretty cool you guys were you? Know,
okay let me ask both of you this. Question last last?
Question do you cohabitat when you're two different sides of
the ball in? College like do you ever like do
you at all run together see each other in the?
LOCKER i mean before.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
First Of matt AND i are very, different like this
guy's mister personality on the school, board like who LIKE
i see him and Sometimes i'll like roll up the
window BECAUSE i Know i'm in for like a thirty
minute conversation like he's friends with absolutely everyone me on
the other one on the other, Side, casey my wife
talks to me and she's just, like, yeah you just
give off this look like you don't you're not interested

(01:02:29):
and you don't want to talk to. Anybody AND i was,
like all, right well that's, fair so we have you,
know we're very. Different so that being, SAID i Think
matt was friends with everybody like he. Could he would
just you, know just a chameleon could fit. In, Meanwhile
i'm just you, know just doing my thing over. Here
BUT i don't know how you want to answer that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Question, well it's interesting because when you're in the locker,
room the defense and offensive guys aren't like all. In
defense isn't an all in one section and offense. Isn't
you're kind of. Intermix so it's this cool way in
which you interact with your. Teammates now during, meetings everything,
else you're separate until you come together for a team.
Meeting but then that bond of being out in the
field and and all that you go and particularly in,

(01:03:07):
college you got nothing else to. Do you don't have
any families to go home, too so we would go
everybody would go out, together so you get a great
mix of both defensive and offensive. Player two of my
best friends were Loft tatupu And Sean codi WHEN i
was in, school and those are two defensive guys And
i'm the backup. Quarterback like it just it's such an
interesting dynamic when you get into the locker. Room and

(01:03:28):
to his, POINT i would try to go along and
talk to, everybody just because that's my Per i'm uncomfortable in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
SILENCE i just am And i'm uncomfortable. Period we went
to Super bowl together and he got a glass, here
yeah he Got, Yeah matt got a good dose of
me in real. Life me on a. Microphone i'm freaking
life of the, party but in real life AND i just.
DID i just dipped like we were at a party,
together and he just looks. Around i'm, Gone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
He's the mysterious one in the corner looking at his
fingers chicks and what's up with your? Friend?

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Over?

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Did we walked into This commissioner's ball and there's a
lot of, People don't get me, wrong it's intimidating for.
Anybody AND i didn't really know a lot of. People
and THEN i ran Into Coach bellock AND i went
up and introduce produced. Me matt was super Kindh we
introduced our group and sat, there talked to him for a.
Second from that point, on did not See. Bobby, YEAH i.
LEFT i just Wanted we were there for what forty
five minutes before you you just ghosted me and Said

(01:04:19):
and THEN i got a text, Message, Hey i'm back
of the hotel. Man, SORRY i had to scoot great to.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
See, yeah not that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Comfortable i've got a similar story to. Yours so our first,
year we had a school, function stars and, guitars AND
i dressed in like a three. Piece haven't had a
suit on in like, years you, know so we just
didn't have to dress up for, football or at least
in a. Suit and So i'm taking the. Escalator first of,
all parking was a. Nightmare it's in Downtown, nashville And

(01:04:45):
i'm taking the escalator up AND i looked to my
right and it's just like five, hundred like a thousand,
people and my social. ANXIETY i got my. Wife we
literally hit the elevator going right back. Down we ordered
like Grub hub or Door dash on the way, home
So i'm like eating in our. Shoe we're eating like
the Takeout. SUSHIA i just couldn't do it in this.
Guy i'm thinking it's like a you, know like you

(01:05:06):
got to dress. Up he's wearing like it was disco.
Theme SO i think he's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Got a Bigton Nelton JOHN i THINK i.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Will, yeah, Well i'm sure you look, great but NONETHELESS
i just, Yeah So i'm very much with you on.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
That it's been. Awesome thanks, Again, clay it was awesome To,
yeah we got lots just, say we're gonna do something fun.
Here matt want you to blind rank YOUR usc two
thousand and four, teammates one of them being our guest this,
Week Clay. Matthews Clay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Matthews, Okay SO i will.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Give you a player, one, two, three, four and. Five
you have to insert them into a spot before you
know who else is coming. Up Perfect Matt lioner.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
Two.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Reggie, bush number, one wide Receiver Dwayne, jarrett, four Center
Ryan kalil. Three our guest this, week Linebacker Clay. Matthews
Claim matthew's number, five number. Five, hey that's, funny all, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Bobby right, now we're gonna do the blind rankings of
nineties country stars one through. Five all, right go, Ahead,
okay The Dixie.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
Chicks it's. Tough you want to go, early you don't
want to Give i'm gonna go three just because they're
gonna set the bar three six to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Three rebump. McIntyre oh my, gosh this is tough Because
reebe is a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
Legend and ONCE i Thought reeba was inviting me to
be a member of The Grand Ole. OPRY i was on.
Stage she came out and she, said you want to
be a, member AND i was so, excited and THEN
i realized she was just, saying, hey thanks for covering.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
You get on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Stage now there's a whole. Thing i'm Gonna i'm gonna
go two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Two Garth, brooks One brooks and. Done oh they're gonna kill.
Me he is my.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Friends they're gonna kill me because they're my. Friends i'm
gonna put him at five because that just BECAUSE i. Can't,
YES i, can, Yes and then who DO i have it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
For?

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Then Joe? Diffy, okay, yay rest in, Peace Joe. Diffy
i'm happy that he's a fod. There oh, man That
brox and Now i'm gonna kill.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Me, okay there we.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Go thank you for listening to the. Podcast subscribe wherever
you get your, podcasts and if you don't, mind give
us alow rating as, well and we'll talk to you
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Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
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