April 9, 2025 • 42 mins
Miles and Jabari were pleased to be joined by 19 Media Group’s Warren Shaw for today’s episode. The three of them discussed the state of Warren’s Celtics, some surprising moves from playoff teams around the league and another fun round of ‘Contenders vs Pretenders’
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
The postseason is just within reach, but we still have
active playoff teams making shocking moves. The Rockets have hit
a group, but we will see if today's guest is
a believer during our Contender Verse, Pretender or Chicken Tender segment,
and of course we'll get into the state of the
Celtics with NBA analysts and podcaster Warren Shaw.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On today's episode. Me, I'm Miles break.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Wait what's that you say?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh well, I'm JABORI Davis's.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Jack and this is Miles Yet look a hitch.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, you be driving spinny.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Number that's been secure, the sultic your NBA champions over
the cop.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Teams, be honestly, Gitar, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Warren Shaw, owner of nineteen Media Group, co host of
the Baseline NBA podcast, and host of Dope Interviews, thank
you for coming back to Miles from Jabari he got.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Bad Boosti's so many things to.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Talk about and we will get into them, but first
we got to do a little bit of our homework.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We got to catch up.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
We had games of the Week that we said, hey,
do your homework because we're going to be talking about this.
The first one Friday's matchup Nuggets at Warriors.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh I'm trying.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
This is getting so petty already.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh huh what happened there?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Did anything happen as a result or I mean there, what.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is put up? Thirty three to twelve nine? I mean yeah,
seventeen from the floor. Okay, okay, Steph Curry looked.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Man, I'm worried about he. That's he looks like a
problem again, like he always tends to. But yeah, I
mean obviously that lended in what maybe ten point loss?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was this sixteen fourteen or so?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Fourteen ten to fourteen points? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that did
not end great.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I mean the other thing too, Every single player had
a negative plus minus.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's sough. That's so. I mean, that's not just an
indicator of, like, you know, one thing going wrong. It's
kind of like just across the board.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Maybe sounds like systemic.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Really, I think they agree with you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That a systemic issue.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
That seems it's just me, Uh, Warren, what did you did?
Speaker 7 (02:28):
You catch that game a little bit a little bit,
But I'm not in the same vibe in mode as
you are.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I mean you had a wonderful stretch of March into
early April, and we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Obviously, I think only two l's taken. Yikes.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
But see, I think that's the thing. Before I have
to confront the inevitability of the domination of the Celtics,
I have to micro does a little bit a hater ade,
you know, and just watch the Nuggets because they've had
our number, but recently we've had theirs. And then also
the other game we were watching Lakers at OKC on
NBA TV. Now that that was interesting. That was I
(03:09):
thoroughly enjoyed that. I thoroughly enjoyed our shot making. I
thoroughly enjoyed just the deef everything. It was a wonderful, wonderful,
wonderful result, I would say, I would say.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So my question for Warren is, obviously, you know where
we land on the Lakers. You know, a game like that,
it's going to restore some hope. You know, they out
rebounded them, they defended well, they actually defended the three
point line. You know, you got people in, you know,
around the Lakers, you're in the around the fan base
at least talking about, you know, making a run from
the outside looking in. If you think that's a blip
on the radar or are these Lakers of you know,
(03:42):
live dog this year.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
No, there's a lot of healthy respect for this Lakers
team in there should be, especially when you have two
generational literally generational players playing at the same time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It doesn't matter what part of Lebron generation we're in.
He's still out.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Here rocking and rolling and like they scared the but
Jesus Oude of me, you know, as a Celtics and
to just know that they can have some semblance of success.
And the way they handled Okac that night, that afternoon
rather was was pretty damn impressive. So you know, I
don't want to write nobody off. I'm I'm I'm a
little nervous. I'm a little uneasy. And before you even
asked me, the best thing for me is, y'all have
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to get the warriors of the first round and one
of y'all.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Got to die.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I think that everybody, every a lot of us are
just being like, I just need this first round to
work out for me personally, and that would Yeah, that's
what you want to see. You're like, Yeah, can the
two monsters I'm scared of just fight it out and
then whatever whatever ends up surviving.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I'll take that one.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I'll take that one.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But yeah, the Nuggets do we I think that that
Minnesota game happened after right we recorded last week? Oh
lordy lord, so my goodness, that double ot loss. I remember,
I think you texted me and you're like, hey, Yoki
is putting up but he's having a sixty point triple
double in what I'm pretty sure is about to be
(04:57):
an overtime loss. And but that ending was surreal. Just
have fun, Oh Russell that to to not finish at
one end of the court and then give up that
foul to send him to the line, it was it
made my like I was having like because we I
(05:18):
think know deeply the chaos that Russell Westbrook can bring.
I even felt it deeply in my bones. And did
you see that one? People isolated the angle of the
Timberwolves bench right in that last stretch from them like
putting hands on foreheads after he missed that layup to
then the foul, and people truly like melting. I was like,
oh this, I was like, this is this is?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This one hurts even watch to be.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Honest, listen from the outside looking and you know, just
looking from basketball plays, you see something like that happens,
and I mean, and it to a to a nicer
guy or to the best guy, depending on your on
your your viewpoints, so to speak. But in historic story,
triple double from you just for that to kind of
(06:02):
go to waste, and then a couple of nights later,
I don't want to get too far ahead, he puts
up another thing against Indiana and they lose again. Like, well, Miles,
you're gonna be micro dosa for a little while, brother.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to make sure I'm not
it's not a macro.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But just to be clear that because obviously this is
gonna come across as like, oh, we're dancing on Russell Westbrook.
I don't. I still don't have a problem with Westbrook.
I only dislike his fans that made it seem as
though the Lakers ruined him, and it was, you know,
it was all good once he went to the Clippers,
and then it wasn't and it was all good once
he went to the Nuggets, and now it's not again,
and it was It's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I think, well, because the ups and downs, especially in
the last few years of his career, has been a
mix of like I.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Want you to do well, man, I was then he.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Gets on your team and you're like Russell no, uh
and if it becomes very frustrating. But yeah, which brings
us to our next story, because what's his record with
coaches getting fired after he's played on their team. It's like,
what it happened in Houston? Yeah, it happened in La
Tyler obviously safe.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Wait wasn't wasn't Scott Brooks the coach in Washington that year?
Or was that after?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Might have been. I feel like he did play for me.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
All I'm saying is it's not to say one's connected
to the other, but it might be ominous when you
do sign him of.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Something that might be happening on the team.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But either way, that brings us to the fact that
now Mike Malone and the GM Calvin Booth are both
out in Denver.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Just there's games to play.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Still, I don't understand this, and it please jump in here.
I don't understand the timing of it.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
What what is like, I'm this is the biggest question
mark have you must win games coming up? And you're
like not blogging. Lets you see where this thing goes. Yeah,
I'm just like I'm not. Obviously I'm the last person
to be a Mike Malone defender, but I am very
I'm this is where I am ignorant, and I do
(07:57):
not understand what the cronkeys are thinking, unless it relates
to Arsenal Football Club, in which case they're doing fine.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But what, Warren, what what?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What's happening?
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Nobody has any clue at this stage, and anybody who
would tell you that they do would be lying. I think,
you know, you would have to talk to the Nuggets
ownership specifically to get real insight into what's happening here.
I just want to say, for me, this is going
down as one of the more bizarre seasons of mav
of my generation, like by by far and away. And
I'm not one for I perblee and you know, over exaggerations,
(08:28):
but there's just been some weird issue that has happened,
especially the second half of the season, since the turn
of the year of twenty twenty five. And to do
this with a team that is basically a year or
a year and change removed from an NBA championship is
just effing bananas. And if you're the Nuggets fan base,
you're just the here scratch in your head. Yeah he
graded on people, and yeah he yelled.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And so forth and so forth.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
But as you're alluding to three games before you get
into what is supposed to be another playoff run with
the best player in basketball with your kitch on your roster, like,
I don't know, brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I don't know, because one version here is like, well,
you know, Booth and Malone they didn't get along. They
were they were talking trash behind each other's backs constantly,
and there's a lot of conflict. Other people were like,
well he he's both strategy around drafting was was was
not really uh it didn't really reconcile that with Malone
wanting to have veterans around and things like that. But like,
there were just so many errors, like they let players
(09:22):
go that they didn't replace, you're putting people on like
max style contracts for that. It just there was just,
I don't know, a lot of mistakes and it's hard
to even say, like, yeah, you got to do that.
Although the fans seemed to be calling for blood by
the time of that Pacers loss, Yeah, they were like
some's gotta have some something needs to change the.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Way you just laid that out and you know, and
bear with me here, this was a lost reference. It
reminds me of that episode of It reminds me of
that episode of Asourage, that episode of Ontage where the
Sklar brothers ended up having to get fired because they
simply can't, you know, they can't coexist, Like that's it
for whatever. You know, that's just crazy to me. Like
(10:02):
if it happened at the end of the year, open
find like that's you know, that's fine, But like to
go into the postseason and say, nah, we're fine, stay
at the house.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I don't know, but but I mean, I think to you,
to both your points, it's it's usually one or the
other ownership governorship. Sorry, they usually pick a side, right
like you know, like both of the y'audit. That sends
the organization to even further chaos and dissension, especially if
you're players in that locker room. I cannot wait, like
I happened, I said, just getting home. Haven't dove into it.
I don't know what the players are going to say
(10:30):
and what their real thoughts are. You know, k is
not He's gonna not give you much. But there will
be some guys who might be a little bit more
of a boast, and some of the younger guys are
gonna be like, Yo, what the hell just happened here?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I'm it's I'm just scratching my head because I mean,
Yokic is a malone guy, right like he likes Yeah,
it seemed like that was fine, but then when you also,
I felt like for the last few months, we kept
we kept seeing this thing being hammered in the media
over and over again, like, yo, he has nobody around
that's at his level at all, Like, and this feels
bad that this guy is putting in performances like this
(11:03):
without any kind of tangible result in terms of a
winning record or you know, adding wins to the record.
And then you're like, so, what is it is? Is
a Yokic's frustration because I feel like after that that
Blakers loss that I truly believe set off this whole
down for Spiral, because what's their record against is then
ten and twelve?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Since that, great.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Though they beat us again, but like seeing his Jokic's
words after that, he's like, we just gotta want it more.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Again, we were also saying is he over his teammates?
Is he just being a practical sort of leader and
just being really honest and holding himself to account.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Does he want.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Absolutely new people around him? But that's gonna that's a
complex that's a complex operation when you have one of
the best players of all time and you're fumbling that bag.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The only thing that I can see, and again the
timing is the only thing that doesn't make sense. But
the only way I can see it is they look
at the KI and they say, how much how much
more great you know, how many more years of greatness
do we have, whether that's three years or five years
or whatever the case may be. We're not wasting another
second of it. So if at the end of the
at the end of this run they did that again,
I actually would have understood. But you know what, like
(12:15):
kind of to Warren's point, this has been an absolutely
crazy year around the league, and I guess this is,
you know, this just makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So what like what is the move here?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Like if they say, you know what we need to
put together, we need to win now, we need to
win yesterday, what is even the most idealized version of
what this offseason looks like to get there? And is
one version just saying Yo, we're letting the league know.
We just can the GM and the head coach. This
might be just so you know, we we're open to
some people coming to play with Nikola Jokic, just so
(12:47):
you know. I don't like, I'm just trying to help
me make sense more like, what do you think that
that could mean?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Or even again, what is the ideal?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
They'm gonna just take us back briefly, I think, you know,
to the Memphis situation and right where like ownership must
be thinking like time is of the essence. We have
some summons of a runway this year to make a
change effort. Let's just do it. And I think what's
and I don't want to get all you know, soft
and sappy where the case be. But there's a real
psychological aspect to the players who are impacted by the
(13:16):
voices in the locker room here that I don't think
is being considered. So that's where I think that they've
overshot this. Even if they feel like, well, we need
to do it now because we have an opportunity right now,
it's kind of bs if you ask me, And if
they're going to do something long term, obviously you're not
trading Joker himself. Then you're looking at the larger contracts
of Murray, which you probably shouldn't have resigned to a
max anyway, especially with how you looked after the Olympics,
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but they love you. And then the larger contracts on
Michael Porter Ji, who has been listed in trade rumors
previous to this, Guys like Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown,
Like they're like, that's not going to really get you anything,
and they know that without doing a deep dive into
what their draft capital is right now, it's some of
those larger contracts, but I think other teams they will
find are going to be hesitant, like, no gonna yeah,
(14:01):
like Murray, Murray has his splashes, Like let's like a
call spade a spade, like just like he has he
has issues. And then and Michael Porter Junior has has
his issues have subsided in terms of those injuries. But
you're not gonna be able to get top quality or
top tier draftis with either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So you're kind of stuck in limbo.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
And that's where I guess where they feel like, well,
if you can't do anything, well let's change the leadership
and maybe that will he us to boost in the
locker room, to propel us forward.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't know, Miles. I mean, it's wild.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Hey, they got a good piece of Nickeoly. I'd say
that that's a piece right there. Hey, And I would say,
you know, bring him home, come on, come on home,
Come on home, Nicola, come on home. Look I said
that about Luca jokingly last year. But look, Warren Stranger.
Things have happened, have happened. But yeah, it's I'm yeah,
(14:50):
I I just don't know, like even I get that,
like the other thing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, the morale question is huge.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I don't know what this does to these players or
they're just like, you know what, I man like, we
weren't really going to go that deep anyway, and maybe
people stay healthier. I just it's it's very very hard
to understand, and I just don't I'm not sure what
they're I just don't understand the calculus of it, because
you have Jokic who's dying for support. But this doesn't
seem the best way to sort of arrive at that destination.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Where you just landed is kind of where you know.
I was listening to, you know, like as many analysts
as I could about I'll be honest with you. It
came in such a shock. I thought, Okay, it's something
going on that I don't know. I know that they've
been struggling on defense, but there has to be more.
Friend of the Show, Jason temp you, no, no big deal.
His opinion on it was it indicates that they just
(15:37):
don't believe like that. It is clear in that locker
room and around that organization that the belief in their capabilities,
you know, to win this year is just not there.
So if that's it, I mean, and if ultimately that's
the case, I guess you go ahead and do it.
But yeah, that's a you know, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But is that a punt tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Is that more or less saying like all right, well
we don't care, so fire the coach now and whatever
the morale be danged?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Apparently, So maybe it was okay, and it's a complete speculation,
But if it's that toxic, maybe it is like, okay,
you know what, they can figure you know, like the
assistant or somebody else can figure this out for now
and we'll reset in the in the off season because
we're going to have some sort of blow up, like
for them to make this decision there. It had to
have been at that point between.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yes, they're exactly and they must truly feel they're like, man,
Mike will there, Mike Belon cannot get a tune out
of these guys at all, like at all, and maybe
that is maybe from their perspective, they're like the second
this guy's out, these guys will start to breathe again,
like because they look, I mean the way he's he's like,
he's ruthless as a coach, and you feel like some
of those players are shook.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Trying to be like all miss ling from the coach man.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I want to play.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
We we need whatever, we need some sort of insider
man like get us you know, the locker room guy,
the equipment manager or somebody somebody else, I mean, somebody, what's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
The what's what's the matter?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
God named Rocky?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What are you here around around the time?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
And look, and you don't have to use verbal language
with me. You can just kind of gesture and like
do drawings and we could do shad. Yeah, I will
respect canonically that you do not speak, you know what
I mean, But give.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Us the tea please love it all. Right, let's take
a quick break. We'll come back and talk about the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Man that because March March was only one loss, right, Okay,
see feeling good?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, so he came in there and wiped us up.
Yeah you know it was one.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I can remember him because there were only two the
last month and nearly a half.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All Right, we'll be right back and talking the.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
State of the Boston Celtics right after this. And we're back.
So the Boston Celtics. Vegas still thinks the defending champs
have these second best odds.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I mean like the cab and Boston are still pretty
much the runaway teams right there in the East.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
This would be the first franchise back to backs in
sixty eight sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That records there.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah, that record though, that record. I mean this this
last was this since.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
What beginning of March?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Two losses, both without Kristaps Perzingis and Jew Holliday at
least one again, Yeah, think again. I remember a few
weeks ago we were talking about how the three point
shooting is so good that we're about to have three
players break the franchise record with many games to go.
Has Tatum also broken it already because Derek White and
Peyton Pritchriard.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Three away from also breaking it, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, so he needs three more three pointers and then
he too will out break.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
So the previous very very very very big season, Warren,
you're looking at this, this is good momentum. Things are
They're just they're locking in at the right time as
you get to the business end of things.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Feeling good.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the best way to say them.
I think, really and truly, this team has looked mediocre
at times. You know, December and specifically was was rough
in parts of January. But you know, Perzingis took some
time to get himself back into proverbial shape. They have,
you know, quietly you know, rested him kind of throughout
where he probably could have played. Then he had this
really strange illness. You know in February he was out
(19:28):
a bunch of games from there too. But when he's
out there and holidays out there and why days out there,
and all those guys, well Drew and Perzingis have missed
the most amount the time. Uh, this team has looked
like like the defending champions. So where you know, I
think all all team fan bases get a little worried,
a little concern, and you know, you want always them
to optimize. But people who really understood that, I listen, this
(19:49):
team is kind of coasting. They don't need to win
sixty six games or whatever it was, like, they don't
They just don't need that.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
While the Cavs came out here like you know, Gangbusters Boston,
it's been kindly just like getting getting their stuff together.
And now to be at this point of the season
where we are where they actually still.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Technically tie Cleveland. Cleveland still has not somehow clinched the East.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yet completely with the number one seed, shows you just
the depth that Boston has had, especially when they've been
at the height of their powers. So I credit Joe
Miszula for just kind of keeping things like, hey, just
riding the ship as necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Has it been a great year for.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Sam Houser and some other other other guys, But this
Boston team is rolling and they look like the Juggernauts
that they were last year, Like.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Do you feel better about them having seen what you
saw last year? Even though you know that the competition maybe,
you know, maybe stiffer in this room.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
There's there's a little bit more confidence, right like anything else,
Like you have to see it one time, you know,
And this is a team that hadn't gotten over the hump,
had kind of blown a lot of games and just
kind of like them, they let things slip through their fingers.
Now they have the opportunity to understand. So even with
a stiffer competition in the Eastern Conference with Cleveland and
New York to a lesser degree as well too, it's like,
all right, there's a certain level of trust you have
(20:59):
in this team as long as they can stay healthy.
I will say that the shining difference here is I
don't think they can lose Porzingis for an extended period
like they did last year and have the same results.
He is really the key to the ultimate level of
success for Boston. So while they're able to, you know,
get past Miami and then get past was Atlanta or
whoever it was, I don't even remember what happened last
(21:20):
year or whatever, Like you know, it's just like might work.
Sorry not Atlanta, Cleveland and then ultimately Indiana. That's again
they will need porzingis a healthy porzingis a healthy Drew
Holiday in essence, to be the best versions of themselves,
otherwise the East could be a lot more challenging than
they saw last year.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, I mean it also feels like, just like you're
saying that that sort of wobbly run at the end
of the year, beginning of the year, if that was
even somewhat normal, like I feel like you guys would have.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Been even your record would be very close, if not
better than last season too.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Like that just and again puts it on into perspective,
like how still I still feel like there's not much
has been lost there.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If anything more is gained because you have KP playing.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
I mean, I'm interested from you all standpoint though, right
because I obviously follow the team fairly close to you,
and there's there's some people say this is a very
deep team.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'm like, I don't think they're that deep, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I look its like, well, yeah, I think what people
mean by that specifically is they have so many different
guys that can you like, look, there's three point shooting team,
and they have so many different guys that can you know,
that could knock that down. So like when you're a
team like like say the Lakers prior to the last
couple of years, last year, right, Uh, if you had
one guy, you were happy about it. Or if he
had two, yeah, you're feeling real good about it. The
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Celtics can put out an entire lineup of guys that
can knock it down, so like that that is crazy,
but in terms but that is an excellent point in
terms of their ultimate depth. Uh, you know, and and
of course you're not wishing anything negative upon you know,
any team at this point, at this point in the
game especially, but like, yeah, if someone were to go down,
I would be a little bit worried. I would be
much more worried for you. So I think that was
an extullent.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Jelly Brown only want some nagging knee thing right now
as well too, So he's got to kind of keep
an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
He's a trooper.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
He's gonna continue to play through things because that's just
who he is, and he understands the gravity of what
they are altimately trying to do. But for me, I've
always been like, well, I wish they would have just
did a little something else to kind of shure up
the wing, you know, kind of just just in case,
and it doesn't need to be like this. You know,
twenty five point per game guy, because that doesn't exist
coming off your bench. But just somebody who could give
you a little bit more wiggle, you know, off that.
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I don't think that's gonna be Tory Craig or even
a guy like Baylor Shireman, you know, I mean that's
going deep dive for some folks here.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But I mean, I don't know if Shireman will even
make the playoff roster.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But but I just wish they would have had something
else there. But because they have so much interchangeability, we
know through their lineup where Holiday can play up and
White can even play up if need be, like you know,
up to the three position, that's where they feel like,
all right, maybe we don't need all that depth, but
I just wish they would have had something else.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But this team is is obviously very very strong.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well yeah, to that point. Wasn't Monnie Walker on the
roster earlier this year? And I'm not calling him a
savior of any kind, but look, I personally watched him
have a very solid postseason performance, even if it was
a singular one. I've watched that happen. So like, you know,
how come they didn't, you know, why do you think
they weren't interested in him.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
It was just the numbers game, you know, because Tatum
and Brown played they also play heavy minutes. So but
I would like you, I was surprised that, you know,
they let Lonnie go. He goes overseas, comes back science
with Philadelphia, you know, and he's doing all right over
there in Philly, and I think he's like, he's like
kind of like the perfect guy, you know, for that
for that last roster spot. You know, they're they're they're
trying to develop a guy like Tim when they're trying
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to develop Drew Peterson as well too, you know, from
the main team as well. And sure, sure, right, there's
nothing like a proven veteran, if you will. And again,
I think we all kind of like Lonnie Walker, but
there's some people who like the idea of Lonnie Walker
and then what like she really is, you know at times,
and I think I'm in the probably like the idea
better than maybe what he really provides. But I think
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from a depth standpoint, it could have been a solid
move to kind of keep somebody like that on this roster,
especially behind Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That was it.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We had a good run with Lonnie didn't we to
worry at that one when he was Monnie Walker the
fourth quarter, the fourth quarter exactly, good times, good time.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Oh, I'm glad you do that. Cheer four an organization
where we would really have to hold onto that. But yes,
that was a fun one.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
He also has the most consistent smile in a roster feed,
to the point that I'm wondering if they are just
photoshopping different jerseys on Yeah, like photo this one between
these two from the Celtics to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm like, the same.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Photo, the same photo. Shout out to photos out the
jersey on them, right, Okay. I was like, if this
man is able to hit the angle so accurately with
the same expression, sign him up for modelings. I don't
know what it is, but sign him up. Okay, just
looking at this this postseason run, is there any kind
of nightmare scenario for y'all? Is there someone you are
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shooketh by or someone you're like rather not? Obviously you
have all the confidence in the world defending champions, but
is there What's what's the nightmare scenario and what's the
ideal scenario?
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Well, listen, the Celtics have kind of exercised some demons
against this Orlando team.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't I don't love it. No, listen, I'm not afraid.
I just don't love.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
It because we've we've had we've had some trouble with
you know, their size.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Then you got guys get Isaac and Ben Carrow and
Wad like said, they're just all very very rangy. You're
kind of across and the Celtics have struggled with those
types of things. So it could be a harder first
series potentially, h then they would potentially want to be
dealing with. But the rest of the acism really figured
out in any way capacity as well too. Atlanta beat
Boston twice this year as well. So I mean, like
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those first round matches again, not scared, you're just like
a I mean, but.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
There's no getting around it.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Yeah, And the last thing I'll say about it, like
it comes from the first round because they're really no
great options, Uh, get another series with Miami. There's just
the lore of Miami that annoys Boston people to no end.
So those three potential matchups in the first round, I
was like, again.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, well should beat them? Should not?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
You know, not be much of a series, but it
could be like a hard five games, do you know
what I mean as approached to like, hey, we just
you know, running through them one way the then you
look at the rest of the East. I mean, you know,
they've handled the Knicks very very well, so not really
concerned about what the Knicks bring to the table there.
But Indiana also gives Boston a lot of our problems.
Beat us twice again well two, they just run and
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race up and down the floor. So to me, it's
like if you end up in some semblance of that,
Indiana cannot climb up, you know, to get into that
second round, so you wouldn't see them until a conference
finals potentially. But ultimately I think, you know, if you
have to knick somehow, you know, don't do well in
their first round. Again, I think even what what Detroit
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Detroit brings to a lesser degree make the series harder,
not again, I want to reiterate, not something that's going
to threat, but just makes it harder. But you feel
like against the Detroit team if they are somehow to
upset the Knicks, Detroit is just like so inexperienced. But ultimately,
for me, you know, the biggest nightmares one of those
first round teams with all the history that Boston has
with all three of them in terms of Orlando, Atlanta, Miami,
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all three of those could be it could be problematic
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Heard it here, first focus. What that means. What that
means is if you were an anti Boston guy, if
you're the local on the show, you know, shout out
to you, Jack, and you want to see the Celtis
go down. It's probably not going to happen, like in
a shocking sense, but it's got to be death by
a thousand cuts. So yeah, stiff, you know, you know,
stiff competition throughout getting every round, get to get to
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the finals, and the Lakers go ahead and take y'all out.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I understand. There you go, and we tied it up.
We tie it up. Oh no, no, we're still we
got we got.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Work to do it. No, no, no, we would be tired
at that point.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Oh yeah, because it's seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Has been brought to you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And then we signed Nicolie Okis in the offseason. Baby,
you couldn't write a better script for me to go
to Fantasy town. Man, all Right, let's move on, because Warren,
we do respect your acumen and looking at basketball teams,
looking at the horizon, looking at.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The teams out there.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
We've been doing a segment the last couple of weeks
contender verse pretender and in some cases chicken tender if
you feel that contender or pretender doesn't fit. And maybe
this is more better described as a crispy, delicious, umptuous
piece of chicken meat. Uh And there's no right there.
The chicken tender is a noble piece of food, no disrespect.
(29:15):
But it rhymes also, and that's why we did it.
So contender vers pretender, We've had the following the Calves contenders, Clippers,
chicken tenders, Pacers, Dino Nuggies.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Nuggets, burnt.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Okay, Wolves pretenders, doves contenders but with a side.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Of your favorite dipping sauce.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Thank you so much for that, Jabari. But let's take
a look now at some obvious ones and some hopeful
just to get your assessment here, Warrenshaw, Boston and.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Tender Yeah okay, okay, just wanted to make sure just
listen and keep it a butt Yeah okay, contender, what
about the no sorry, the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Pretender I'm not going, I ain't going, ain't going nugget them.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
But but okay, they're they're yeah, they're they're not ready.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Fifteen to two over the last seventeen doesn't count.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
They need more season than my guy, Like, they need
to get get those get those playoffs bruises as you
all were talking about, Like I just I got to
see it to believe.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But again, they're gonna be hard out Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean they had Look that's that's they had
a pretty easy run. Well I don't know, no disrespect,
but that wasn't the most difficult running games, was it?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
The Warriors begrudgingly oh oh nah nah, I'm standing on
business pretender.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't believe this, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Warren, I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
I think yeah, I think there's a there's a lot
of juice that Jimmy has obviously brought to this, to this,
to this organization, and I think Draymond is kind of
like willing it into existence since the All Star Game
that we're gonna contend for an NBA championship or whatever.
But I think, similarly to what we said in the
kind of the outset is that they're going to end
up in a first or second round matchup that is
(30:59):
maybe a little bit above their their punching class.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And I even if again.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
They get through, they probably get battered and bruised to
ultimately not get to the to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I just can't see it with this roster.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Miles, stop you if you heard this. The Doves are
as great as Steph is on a given night, and
that's not shade several recent games he's been dominated, you know,
fifty two to the other night, thirty seven, thirty six,
they look incredible. Then he has a stinker against the
against the Rockets, he shoots one for ten, doesn't ever
really get you know, make an impact on the game.
And you know, we see what takes place. Now that's
(31:30):
to say the hell out of him. They did.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They blitz like he it was rap city. He had
no space.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
And yes, that's a young, plucky Rockets team that has
the horses in essence to do that. But again, as
you alluded to, if he ain't cooking, then it it's
rap city.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
For that team.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It's rap city because his shooting was in the basement.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
Okay, you know, just some light turn of the century.
I see you like turn of the Century BT references Okay,
we're gonna have hits from the street on the next.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Episode, Cameron count his money while he's flowing for you.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Hits come on this show, baby, we need And finally
Warren the Lakers just to get your take their temperature
real quick.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Yeah, Oh man, I will I will, I will not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I will not cave in the way that I would
order now I want to. I will give you guys
the nod of contenders here.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh okay, beyond all hell.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
But I think when people y'all got Luca and it
was it's.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Gonna take some time, they don't have it, and then
Mark Williams thing, you know, back the way, so forth
and so forth, I just think it was overlooking and
maybe just flat out hate and understanding. These are generational
geniuses playing together. And yes, the defense can be suspect
at times. But I think there's there's this aspects of
(33:00):
situational defense. I talk about a lot of time, like, hey,
if you can start to clamp up, you know, you
keep the game close, and you clamp up the last
six minutes of the fourth quarter or whatever it is,
you can see a lot of things, especially with Luke
and Lebron, you know, on your roster, and they make
jack guys like Jackson Hayes, who you know probably should
be a journeyman for all intensive purposes.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You make him look like a viable NBA player, are
It's yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
So they said, y'all make me a little bit nervous,
but you know, I'll get y'all contender route.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Look, that's why, Warren you are our most respected Boston fan.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You know exactly. That love.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's love. That's love.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I mean, we we only respect one and it's you.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Hey, it's a small club.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
A jacket.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out Josh Gondleman. Shout out
Alicia to.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Uh you know, you know from Boston. Yeah yeah, we
we have a couple of people, you know. But that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's small club.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right, cool, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Let's take another quick break and we come back. Warren
Shaw sign for.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
The fourth quarter rapid fire round of questioning right after this,
and we're back.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Warren Shaw. You are a respected fan of the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
We respect you as a person, as an analyst, but
now it's time to enter the zone of disrespect. It's
the fourth quarter round of rapid fire questioning. We're gonna
ask you a question. Just act quick, don't think, keep it,
move it. If you hold the segment up, we will
be rude. And I tried to rap like one of
those SoundCloud kids that's not really rapping but real talking.
(34:42):
But we've been away with it. I'm you know, I
hate to be an older head. We were just talking
about rap City of the Basement hits from the street.
But these kids ain't rapid.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, I think everybody.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
No, I don't want to I want to speed I do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm like what okay?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now you did sound like somebody that I was in too.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean that's like a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Anyway, this is called the Old Head Basketball Wrap Podcast,
but it's not for the fourth rd question Naing Warrenshaw,
you know the deal.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Here we go. Are you ready? It's her Brian, start
the clock started. This is gonna go quick.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
You want to go first?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Should I go first? I don't know how you feel
about it, Warren? Which one of us should go first? Yeah?
What are you sorry? Okay? Okay, that was quick. That
was quick.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And not take that as disrespect.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I will I will. You know they don't.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Okay, I see it's on now.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not most or more dominant player Tatum in Bird's
era or Bird today.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Bird today, and why that's the answer mentality.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah yeah, bird Bird at meantime in the league.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Give me that, and I know, I just you want
to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, you gotta see that.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
You gotta see it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
This is guy from some and they used to cry
actual tears. Same about about Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Same you're saying, saying actual.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Tears about how much I but yes, give.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Me, but you gotta see it, you gotta see And
an all time trash poker, I mean, come.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
On yeah, yeah yeah, And Warren, I'm about to talk
to some trash too, because we need to keep this
thing moving.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Man.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Thanks you for trying to sneak that last comment in
I'm keeping this going, Warren.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You can pick any former Celtic yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
You can pick any former Celtics legend to make a
run with this current squad, except for the aforementioned Larry
Bird because we already that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's I want to see that too.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Anybody else KG Yeah, yeah, I mean it's when you.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Have teams that are that in sact though, but yeah,
you know, it was like it's only a few teams
where you like any player and then you just say
one of their greats and like, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You're gonna get that one of the best.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Yeah, that's a good I would love to see, man,
I would love to see KG playing with these dudes
because it's I I love his commentary about it, Like
these guys right now. I would love to see that
energy on the court miked up zoomed in documentary Now, thank.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You ag hyping up porzingis Oh yeah, taking his chest,
Oh my heart, that's what your boy would be saying.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Oh yeah, oh man, all.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Right, keep it going, keep it going. Seize trivia here
for you. Who do you think they're all time franchise
leader in triple double suits triple Holy hell eh Anton
Walker he's number six on the list with thirteen. Yeah,
let's see, I mean you can get Yeah, he's with thirteen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He's sick Rondo he is four with twenty two. Oh
my god, triple doubles.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh, it's all the people you think, number one fifty
nine of them things.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Wow, number guy G seven and a half. Is this
at some point eight and since yeah, yeah. Yeah, so
that's I guess that's probably more obvious than than I'm
giving it credit for.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Number two is someone I have disrespected in your presence
on several occasions. Pires, No, that's that's just he's.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Number seven all of this.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, you got me.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I don't know old school go old school old Yeah,
one hand, one hand on them one hand.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Who are you talking.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
About, Bob Coosey.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I didn't know if they were keeping the record back then. Yeah,
thirty three.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Cleaning it up, John having a third, thirty one, Yodge
and Rondo twenty two. Bill Russell was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Wow, that's what sorry, ye learned something today?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yeah, thank you for this bonus. Best guess how many
times has Larry Bird scored forty or more points?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Forty two?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Whoa close? Damn close?
Speaker 5 (39:00):
That was very close the answer forty seven?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Man Warren, Okay, okay, I wasn't familiar with your game,
young man.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Respect you.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I respect that, I respect that, I respect that. I
knew you were all right when you were making Rap
City references.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Sir, I knew you were good people. What about some
bonus bonus? Can you?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Are vetus be exactly the bonuses of the Booms. Give
us how many Tatum.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Has forty point games?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yep. And is it higher or lower?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think it's slightly lower.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It is lower.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm going to say thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Still close twenty nine?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, dang, he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah. I was surprised by that, to be honest with Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, I mean I scaring like high thirties too.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yes, they feel like yeah, yeah, they feel like And
he's sitting in the fourth quarters of a lot of
these games over the last couple of years at least.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, that's they're feeling like forties.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
If you go by this per thirty six, maybe we
get better exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Well, Warren Shaw, thank you for joining us. But before
you go, oh, you have to help us pick the
game of the week.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's the game we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Watch, all the listeners gonna watch, so we can talk
about it briefly up top of the next show.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Our options are. Here's what we have on the menu.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
On Thursday, we have the Calves at Pacers on TNT,
Friday Houston at Lakers on NBA TV, and Sunday Clippers
at Warriors.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Are your local or league pass.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
The most important game will probably be Clippers Warriors Sunday,
honestly just by virtue of where they're all like, they're
like some sort of crazy five way times I know.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Right, is it like four through eight?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
So like it could potentially have some kind of weird
tiebreaker if they had identical records or something.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I thought.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
I think the Clippers can control their destiny to like
maintain in that in that five position or get as
high as four, I think potentially. So yeah, Clippers Warriors
by far and away of those three and Calves and Pacers.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
No, no, thanks, I'm good, fantastic well, Warrenshaw again, thank
you so much for joining us on miles and jabarga
man Boosti's where do the people find you?
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Thank you.
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And on Twitter, I think I'm I think I'm still
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Get it together?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (41:34):
This is?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I need to well because I changed it a couple
of times but didn't win because the league tweets it out.
I was like, oh, I need to actually change that back.
So I think it's Boria Davis and in on Blue
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Speaker 5 (42:05):
That is going to do it for us this week.
We'll be back next week. Oh you get just one
step closer, baby, the postseason, the business, and maybe all
my dreams will be fulfilled or I will be a
crumbling mess of pathetic emotion because I had deluded myself
into believing that the Lakers were somehow infallible.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Stay tuned to see.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Which option we get.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It will be thrilling. We'll talk to you that Bye
bye bye
The postseason is just within reach, but we still have
active playoff teams making shocking moves. The Rockets have hit
a group, but we will see if today's guest is
a believer during our Contender Verse, Pretender or Chicken Tender segment,
and of course we'll get into the state of the
Celtics with NBA analysts and podcaster Warren Shaw.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
On today's episode. Me, I'm Miles break.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Wait what's that you say?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh well, I'm JABORI Davis's.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Jack and this is Miles Yet look a hitch.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, you be driving spinny.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Number that's been secure, the sultic your NBA champions over
the cop.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Teams, be honestly, Gitar, Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
All right.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Warren Shaw, owner of nineteen Media Group, co host of
the Baseline NBA podcast, and host of Dope Interviews, thank
you for coming back to Miles from Jabari he got.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Bad Boosti's so many things to.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Talk about and we will get into them, but first
we got to do a little bit of our homework.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
We got to catch up.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
We had games of the Week that we said, hey,
do your homework because we're going to be talking about this.
The first one Friday's matchup Nuggets at Warriors.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh I'm trying.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
This is getting so petty already.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh huh what happened there?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Did anything happen as a result or I mean there, what.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Is put up? Thirty three to twelve nine? I mean yeah,
seventeen from the floor. Okay, okay, Steph Curry looked.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Man, I'm worried about he. That's he looks like a
problem again, like he always tends to. But yeah, I
mean obviously that lended in what maybe ten point loss?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was this sixteen fourteen or so?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Fourteen ten to fourteen points? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that did
not end great.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
I mean the other thing too, Every single player had
a negative plus minus.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That's sough. That's so. I mean, that's not just an
indicator of, like, you know, one thing going wrong. It's
kind of like just across the board.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Maybe sounds like systemic.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Really, I think they agree with you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That a systemic issue.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
That seems it's just me, Uh, Warren, what did you did?
Speaker 7 (02:28):
You catch that game a little bit a little bit,
But I'm not in the same vibe in mode as
you are.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I mean you had a wonderful stretch of March into
early April, and we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Obviously, I think only two l's taken. Yikes.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
But see, I think that's the thing. Before I have
to confront the inevitability of the domination of the Celtics,
I have to micro does a little bit a hater ade,
you know, and just watch the Nuggets because they've had
our number, but recently we've had theirs. And then also
the other game we were watching Lakers at OKC on
NBA TV. Now that that was interesting. That was I
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thoroughly enjoyed that. I thoroughly enjoyed our shot making. I
thoroughly enjoyed just the deef everything. It was a wonderful, wonderful,
wonderful result, I would say, I would say.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So my question for Warren is, obviously, you know where
we land on the Lakers. You know, a game like that,
it's going to restore some hope. You know, they out
rebounded them, they defended well, they actually defended the three
point line. You know, you got people in, you know,
around the Lakers, you're in the around the fan base
at least talking about, you know, making a run from
the outside looking in. If you think that's a blip
on the radar or are these Lakers of you know,
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live dog this year.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
No, there's a lot of healthy respect for this Lakers
team in there should be, especially when you have two
generational literally generational players playing at the same time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It doesn't matter what part of Lebron generation we're in.
He's still out.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Here rocking and rolling and like they scared the but
Jesus Oude of me, you know, as a Celtics and
to just know that they can have some semblance of success.
And the way they handled Okac that night, that afternoon
rather was was pretty damn impressive. So you know, I
don't want to write nobody off. I'm I'm I'm a
little nervous. I'm a little uneasy. And before you even
asked me, the best thing for me is, y'all have
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to get the warriors of the first round and one
of y'all.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Got to die.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I think that everybody, every a lot of us are
just being like, I just need this first round to
work out for me personally, and that would Yeah, that's
what you want to see. You're like, Yeah, can the
two monsters I'm scared of just fight it out and
then whatever whatever ends up surviving.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, I'll take that one.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I'll take that one.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
But yeah, the Nuggets do we I think that that
Minnesota game happened after right we recorded last week? Oh
lordy lord, so my goodness, that double ot loss. I remember,
I think you texted me and you're like, hey, Yoki
is putting up but he's having a sixty point triple
double in what I'm pretty sure is about to be
(04:57):
an overtime loss. And but that ending was surreal. Just
have fun, Oh Russell that to to not finish at
one end of the court and then give up that
foul to send him to the line, it was it
made my like I was having like because we I
(05:18):
think know deeply the chaos that Russell Westbrook can bring.
I even felt it deeply in my bones. And did
you see that one? People isolated the angle of the
Timberwolves bench right in that last stretch from them like
putting hands on foreheads after he missed that layup to
then the foul, and people truly like melting. I was like,
oh this, I was like, this is this is?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This one hurts even watch to be.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Honest, listen from the outside looking and you know, just
looking from basketball plays, you see something like that happens,
and I mean, and it to a to a nicer
guy or to the best guy, depending on your on
your your viewpoints, so to speak. But in historic story,
triple double from you just for that to kind of
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go to waste, and then a couple of nights later,
I don't want to get too far ahead, he puts
up another thing against Indiana and they lose again. Like, well, Miles,
you're gonna be micro dosa for a little while, brother.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to make sure I'm not
it's not a macro.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
But just to be clear that because obviously this is
gonna come across as like, oh, we're dancing on Russell Westbrook.
I don't. I still don't have a problem with Westbrook.
I only dislike his fans that made it seem as
though the Lakers ruined him, and it was, you know,
it was all good once he went to the Clippers,
and then it wasn't and it was all good once
he went to the Nuggets, and now it's not again,
and it was It's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
I think, well, because the ups and downs, especially in
the last few years of his career, has been a
mix of like I.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Want you to do well, man, I was then he.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Gets on your team and you're like Russell no, uh
and if it becomes very frustrating. But yeah, which brings
us to our next story, because what's his record with
coaches getting fired after he's played on their team. It's like,
what it happened in Houston? Yeah, it happened in La
Tyler obviously safe.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Wait wasn't wasn't Scott Brooks the coach in Washington that year?
Or was that after?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Might have been. I feel like he did play for me.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
All I'm saying is it's not to say one's connected
to the other, but it might be ominous when you
do sign him of.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Something that might be happening on the team.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
But either way, that brings us to the fact that
now Mike Malone and the GM Calvin Booth are both
out in Denver.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Just there's games to play.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Still, I don't understand this, and it please jump in here.
I don't understand the timing of it.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
What what is like, I'm this is the biggest question
mark have you must win games coming up? And you're
like not blogging. Lets you see where this thing goes. Yeah,
I'm just like I'm not. Obviously I'm the last person
to be a Mike Malone defender, but I am very
I'm this is where I am ignorant, and I do
(07:57):
not understand what the cronkeys are thinking, unless it relates
to Arsenal Football Club, in which case they're doing fine.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
But what, Warren, what what?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What's happening?
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Nobody has any clue at this stage, and anybody who
would tell you that they do would be lying. I think,
you know, you would have to talk to the Nuggets
ownership specifically to get real insight into what's happening here.
I just want to say, for me, this is going
down as one of the more bizarre seasons of mav
of my generation, like by by far and away. And
I'm not one for I perblee and you know, over exaggerations,
(08:28):
but there's just been some weird issue that has happened,
especially the second half of the season, since the turn
of the year of twenty twenty five. And to do
this with a team that is basically a year or
a year and change removed from an NBA championship is
just effing bananas. And if you're the Nuggets fan base,
you're just the here scratch in your head. Yeah he
graded on people, and yeah he yelled.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And so forth and so forth.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
But as you're alluding to three games before you get
into what is supposed to be another playoff run with
the best player in basketball with your kitch on your roster, like,
I don't know, brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
I don't know, because one version here is like, well,
you know, Booth and Malone they didn't get along. They
were they were talking trash behind each other's backs constantly,
and there's a lot of conflict. Other people were like,
well he he's both strategy around drafting was was was
not really uh it didn't really reconcile that with Malone
wanting to have veterans around and things like that. But like,
there were just so many errors, like they let players
(09:22):
go that they didn't replace, you're putting people on like
max style contracts for that. It just there was just,
I don't know, a lot of mistakes and it's hard
to even say, like, yeah, you got to do that.
Although the fans seemed to be calling for blood by
the time of that Pacers loss, Yeah, they were like
some's gotta have some something needs to change the.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Way you just laid that out and you know, and
bear with me here, this was a lost reference. It
reminds me of that episode of It reminds me of
that episode of Asourage, that episode of Ontage where the
Sklar brothers ended up having to get fired because they
simply can't, you know, they can't coexist, Like that's it
for whatever. You know, that's just crazy to me. Like
(10:02):
if it happened at the end of the year, open
find like that's you know, that's fine, But like to
go into the postseason and say, nah, we're fine, stay
at the house.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
I don't know, but but I mean, I think to you,
to both your points, it's it's usually one or the
other ownership governorship. Sorry, they usually pick a side, right
like you know, like both of the y'audit. That sends
the organization to even further chaos and dissension, especially if
you're players in that locker room. I cannot wait, like
I happened, I said, just getting home. Haven't dove into it.
I don't know what the players are going to say
(10:30):
and what their real thoughts are. You know, k is
not He's gonna not give you much. But there will
be some guys who might be a little bit more
of a boast, and some of the younger guys are
gonna be like, Yo, what the hell just happened here?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right right?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
I'm it's I'm just scratching my head because I mean,
Yokic is a malone guy, right like he likes Yeah,
it seemed like that was fine, but then when you also,
I felt like for the last few months, we kept
we kept seeing this thing being hammered in the media
over and over again, like, yo, he has nobody around
that's at his level at all, Like, and this feels
bad that this guy is putting in performances like this
(11:03):
without any kind of tangible result in terms of a
winning record or you know, adding wins to the record.
And then you're like, so, what is it is? Is
a Yokic's frustration because I feel like after that that
Blakers loss that I truly believe set off this whole
down for Spiral, because what's their record against is then
ten and twelve?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Since that, great.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Though they beat us again, but like seeing his Jokic's
words after that, he's like, we just gotta want it more.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Again, we were also saying is he over his teammates?
Is he just being a practical sort of leader and
just being really honest and holding himself to account.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Does he want.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Absolutely new people around him? But that's gonna that's a
complex that's a complex operation when you have one of
the best players of all time and you're fumbling that bag.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
The only thing that I can see, and again the
timing is the only thing that doesn't make sense. But
the only way I can see it is they look
at the KI and they say, how much how much
more great you know, how many more years of greatness
do we have, whether that's three years or five years
or whatever the case may be. We're not wasting another
second of it. So if at the end of the
at the end of this run they did that again,
I actually would have understood. But you know what, like
(12:15):
kind of to Warren's point, this has been an absolutely
crazy year around the league, and I guess this is,
you know, this just makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
So what like what is the move here?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Like if they say, you know what we need to
put together, we need to win now, we need to
win yesterday, what is even the most idealized version of
what this offseason looks like to get there? And is
one version just saying Yo, we're letting the league know.
We just can the GM and the head coach. This
might be just so you know, we we're open to
some people coming to play with Nikola Jokic, just so
(12:47):
you know. I don't like, I'm just trying to help
me make sense more like, what do you think that
that could mean?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Or even again, what is the ideal?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
They'm gonna just take us back briefly, I think, you know,
to the Memphis situation and right where like ownership must
be thinking like time is of the essence. We have
some summons of a runway this year to make a
change effort. Let's just do it. And I think what's
and I don't want to get all you know, soft
and sappy where the case be. But there's a real
psychological aspect to the players who are impacted by the
(13:16):
voices in the locker room here that I don't think
is being considered. So that's where I think that they've
overshot this. Even if they feel like, well, we need
to do it now because we have an opportunity right now,
it's kind of bs if you ask me, And if
they're going to do something long term, obviously you're not
trading Joker himself. Then you're looking at the larger contracts
of Murray, which you probably shouldn't have resigned to a
max anyway, especially with how you looked after the Olympics,
(13:38):
but they love you. And then the larger contracts on
Michael Porter Ji, who has been listed in trade rumors
previous to this, Guys like Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown,
Like they're like, that's not going to really get you anything,
and they know that without doing a deep dive into
what their draft capital is right now, it's some of
those larger contracts, but I think other teams they will
find are going to be hesitant, like, no gonna yeah,
(14:01):
like Murray, Murray has his splashes, Like let's like a
call spade a spade, like just like he has he
has issues. And then and Michael Porter Junior has has
his issues have subsided in terms of those injuries. But
you're not gonna be able to get top quality or
top tier draftis with either one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So you're kind of stuck in limbo.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
And that's where I guess where they feel like, well,
if you can't do anything, well let's change the leadership
and maybe that will he us to boost in the
locker room, to propel us forward.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I don't know, Miles. I mean, it's wild.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Hey, they got a good piece of Nickeoly. I'd say
that that's a piece right there. Hey, And I would say,
you know, bring him home, come on, come on home,
Come on home, Nicola, come on home. Look I said
that about Luca jokingly last year. But look, Warren Stranger.
Things have happened, have happened. But yeah, it's I'm yeah,
(14:50):
I I just don't know, like even I get that,
like the other thing.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, the morale question is huge.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
I don't know what this does to these players or
they're just like, you know what, I man like, we
weren't really going to go that deep anyway, and maybe
people stay healthier. I just it's it's very very hard
to understand, and I just don't I'm not sure what
they're I just don't understand the calculus of it, because
you have Jokic who's dying for support. But this doesn't
seem the best way to sort of arrive at that destination.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Where you just landed is kind of where you know.
I was listening to, you know, like as many analysts
as I could about I'll be honest with you. It
came in such a shock. I thought, Okay, it's something
going on that I don't know. I know that they've
been struggling on defense, but there has to be more.
Friend of the Show, Jason temp you, no, no big deal.
His opinion on it was it indicates that they just
(15:37):
don't believe like that. It is clear in that locker
room and around that organization that the belief in their capabilities,
you know, to win this year is just not there.
So if that's it, I mean, and if ultimately that's
the case, I guess you go ahead and do it.
But yeah, that's a you know, crazy crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
But is that a punt tomorrow?
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Is that more or less saying like all right, well
we don't care, so fire the coach now and whatever
the morale be danged?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Apparently, So maybe it was okay, and it's a complete speculation,
But if it's that toxic, maybe it is like, okay,
you know what, they can figure you know, like the
assistant or somebody else can figure this out for now
and we'll reset in the in the off season because
we're going to have some sort of blow up, like
for them to make this decision there. It had to
have been at that point between.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yes, they're exactly and they must truly feel they're like, man,
Mike will there, Mike Belon cannot get a tune out
of these guys at all, like at all, and maybe
that is maybe from their perspective, they're like the second
this guy's out, these guys will start to breathe again,
like because they look, I mean the way he's he's like,
he's ruthless as a coach, and you feel like some
of those players are shook.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Trying to be like all miss ling from the coach man.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
I want to play.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
We we need whatever, we need some sort of insider
man like get us you know, the locker room guy,
the equipment manager or somebody somebody else, I mean, somebody, what's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
The what's what's the matter?
Speaker 5 (17:00):
God named Rocky?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
What are you here around around the time?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
And look, and you don't have to use verbal language
with me. You can just kind of gesture and like
do drawings and we could do shad. Yeah, I will
respect canonically that you do not speak, you know what
I mean, But give.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Us the tea please love it all. Right, let's take
a quick break. We'll come back and talk about the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
Man that because March March was only one loss, right, Okay,
see feeling good?
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, okay, so he came in there and wiped us up.
Yeah you know it was one.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
I can remember him because there were only two the
last month and nearly a half.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All Right, we'll be right back and talking the.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
State of the Boston Celtics right after this. And we're back.
So the Boston Celtics. Vegas still thinks the defending champs
have these second best odds.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
I mean like the cab and Boston are still pretty
much the runaway teams right there in the East.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
This would be the first franchise back to backs in
sixty eight sixty nine.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
That records there.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Yeah, that record though, that record. I mean this this
last was this since.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
What beginning of March?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Two losses, both without Kristaps Perzingis and Jew Holliday at
least one again, Yeah, think again. I remember a few
weeks ago we were talking about how the three point
shooting is so good that we're about to have three
players break the franchise record with many games to go.
Has Tatum also broken it already because Derek White and
Peyton Pritchriard.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Three away from also breaking it, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, so he needs three more three pointers and then
he too will out break.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
So the previous very very very very big season, Warren,
you're looking at this, this is good momentum. Things are
They're just they're locking in at the right time as
you get to the business end of things.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Feeling good.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the best way to say them.
I think, really and truly, this team has looked mediocre
at times. You know, December and specifically was was rough
in parts of January. But you know, Perzingis took some
time to get himself back into proverbial shape. They have,
you know, quietly you know, rested him kind of throughout
where he probably could have played. Then he had this
really strange illness. You know in February he was out
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a bunch of games from there too. But when he's
out there and holidays out there and why days out there,
and all those guys, well Drew and Perzingis have missed
the most amount the time. Uh, this team has looked
like like the defending champions. So where you know, I
think all all team fan bases get a little worried,
a little concern, and you know, you want always them
to optimize. But people who really understood that, I listen, this
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team is kind of coasting. They don't need to win
sixty six games or whatever it was, like, they don't
They just don't need that.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Now.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
While the Cavs came out here like you know, Gangbusters Boston,
it's been kindly just like getting getting their stuff together.
And now to be at this point of the season
where we are where they actually still.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Technically tie Cleveland. Cleveland still has not somehow clinched the East.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Yet completely with the number one seed, shows you just
the depth that Boston has had, especially when they've been
at the height of their powers. So I credit Joe
Miszula for just kind of keeping things like, hey, just
riding the ship as necessary.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Has it been a great year for.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Sam Houser and some other other other guys, But this
Boston team is rolling and they look like the Juggernauts
that they were last year, Like.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Do you feel better about them having seen what you
saw last year? Even though you know that the competition maybe,
you know, maybe stiffer in this room.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
There's there's a little bit more confidence, right like anything else,
Like you have to see it one time, you know,
And this is a team that hadn't gotten over the hump,
had kind of blown a lot of games and just
kind of like them, they let things slip through their fingers.
Now they have the opportunity to understand. So even with
a stiffer competition in the Eastern Conference with Cleveland and
New York to a lesser degree as well too, it's like,
all right, there's a certain level of trust you have
(20:59):
in this team as long as they can stay healthy.
I will say that the shining difference here is I
don't think they can lose Porzingis for an extended period
like they did last year and have the same results.
He is really the key to the ultimate level of
success for Boston. So while they're able to, you know,
get past Miami and then get past was Atlanta or
whoever it was, I don't even remember what happened last
(21:20):
year or whatever, Like you know, it's just like might work.
Sorry not Atlanta, Cleveland and then ultimately Indiana. That's again
they will need porzingis a healthy porzingis a healthy Drew
Holiday in essence, to be the best versions of themselves,
otherwise the East could be a lot more challenging than
they saw last year.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah, I mean it also feels like, just like you're
saying that that sort of wobbly run at the end
of the year, beginning of the year, if that was
even somewhat normal, like I feel like you guys would have.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Been even your record would be very close, if not
better than last season too.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Like that just and again puts it on into perspective,
like how still I still feel like there's not much
has been lost there.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
If anything more is gained because you have KP playing.
Speaker 7 (21:59):
I mean, I'm interested from you all standpoint though, right
because I obviously follow the team fairly close to you,
and there's there's some people say this is a very
deep team.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I'm like, I don't think they're that deep, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I look its like, well, yeah, I think what people
mean by that specifically is they have so many different
guys that can you like, look, there's three point shooting team,
and they have so many different guys that can you know,
that could knock that down. So like when you're a
team like like say the Lakers prior to the last
couple of years, last year, right, Uh, if you had
one guy, you were happy about it. Or if he
had two, yeah, you're feeling real good about it. The
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Celtics can put out an entire lineup of guys that
can knock it down, so like that that is crazy,
but in terms but that is an excellent point in
terms of their ultimate depth. Uh, you know, and and
of course you're not wishing anything negative upon you know,
any team at this point, at this point in the
game especially, but like, yeah, if someone were to go down,
I would be a little bit worried. I would be
much more worried for you. So I think that was
an extullent.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Jelly Brown only want some nagging knee thing right now
as well too, So he's got to kind of keep
an eye on that.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
He's a trooper.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
He's gonna continue to play through things because that's just
who he is, and he understands the gravity of what
they are altimately trying to do. But for me, I've
always been like, well, I wish they would have just
did a little something else to kind of shure up
the wing, you know, kind of just just in case,
and it doesn't need to be like this. You know,
twenty five point per game guy, because that doesn't exist
coming off your bench. But just somebody who could give
you a little bit more wiggle, you know, off that.
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I don't think that's gonna be Tory Craig or even
a guy like Baylor Shireman, you know, I mean that's
going deep dive for some folks here.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
But I mean, I don't know if Shireman will even
make the playoff roster.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
But but I just wish they would have had something
else there. But because they have so much interchangeability, we
know through their lineup where Holiday can play up and
White can even play up if need be, like you know,
up to the three position, that's where they feel like,
all right, maybe we don't need all that depth, but
I just wish they would have had something else.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But this team is is obviously very very strong.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Well yeah, to that point. Wasn't Monnie Walker on the
roster earlier this year? And I'm not calling him a
savior of any kind, but look, I personally watched him
have a very solid postseason performance, even if it was
a singular one. I've watched that happen. So like, you know,
how come they didn't, you know, why do you think
they weren't interested in him.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
It was just the numbers game, you know, because Tatum
and Brown played they also play heavy minutes. So but
I would like you, I was surprised that, you know,
they let Lonnie go. He goes overseas, comes back science
with Philadelphia, you know, and he's doing all right over
there in Philly, and I think he's like, he's like
kind of like the perfect guy, you know, for that
for that last roster spot. You know, they're they're they're
trying to develop a guy like Tim when they're trying
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to develop Drew Peterson as well too, you know, from
the main team as well. And sure, sure, right, there's
nothing like a proven veteran, if you will. And again,
I think we all kind of like Lonnie Walker, but
there's some people who like the idea of Lonnie Walker
and then what like she really is, you know at times,
and I think I'm in the probably like the idea
better than maybe what he really provides. But I think
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from a depth standpoint, it could have been a solid
move to kind of keep somebody like that on this roster,
especially behind Tatum and Brown.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That was it.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
We had a good run with Lonnie didn't we to
worry at that one when he was Monnie Walker the
fourth quarter, the fourth quarter exactly, good times, good time.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Oh, I'm glad you do that. Cheer four an organization
where we would really have to hold onto that. But yes,
that was a fun one.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
He also has the most consistent smile in a roster feed,
to the point that I'm wondering if they are just
photoshopping different jerseys on Yeah, like photo this one between
these two from the Celtics to the Sixers.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm like, the same.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
Photo, the same photo. Shout out to photos out the
jersey on them, right, Okay. I was like, if this
man is able to hit the angle so accurately with
the same expression, sign him up for modelings. I don't
know what it is, but sign him up. Okay, just
looking at this this postseason run, is there any kind
of nightmare scenario for y'all? Is there someone you are
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shooketh by or someone you're like rather not? Obviously you
have all the confidence in the world defending champions, but
is there What's what's the nightmare scenario and what's the
ideal scenario?
Speaker 9 (25:54):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Well, listen, the Celtics have kind of exercised some demons
against this Orlando team.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't I don't love it. No, listen, I'm not afraid.
I just don't love.
Speaker 7 (26:05):
It because we've we've had we've had some trouble with
you know, their size.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:10):
Then you got guys get Isaac and Ben Carrow and
Wad like said, they're just all very very rangy. You're
kind of across and the Celtics have struggled with those
types of things. So it could be a harder first
series potentially, h then they would potentially want to be
dealing with. But the rest of the acism really figured
out in any way capacity as well too. Atlanta beat
Boston twice this year as well. So I mean, like
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those first round matches again, not scared, you're just like
a I mean, but.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
There's no getting around it.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Yeah, And the last thing I'll say about it, like
it comes from the first round because they're really no
great options, Uh, get another series with Miami. There's just
the lore of Miami that annoys Boston people to no end.
So those three potential matchups in the first round, I
was like, again.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, well should beat them? Should not?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
You know, not be much of a series, but it
could be like a hard five games, do you know
what I mean as approached to like, hey, we just
you know, running through them one way the then you
look at the rest of the East. I mean, you know,
they've handled the Knicks very very well, so not really
concerned about what the Knicks bring to the table there.
But Indiana also gives Boston a lot of our problems.
Beat us twice again well two, they just run and
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race up and down the floor. So to me, it's
like if you end up in some semblance of that,
Indiana cannot climb up, you know, to get into that
second round, so you wouldn't see them until a conference
finals potentially. But ultimately I think, you know, if you
have to knick somehow, you know, don't do well in
their first round. Again, I think even what what Detroit
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Detroit brings to a lesser degree make the series harder,
not again, I want to reiterate, not something that's going
to threat, but just makes it harder. But you feel
like against the Detroit team if they are somehow to
upset the Knicks, Detroit is just like so inexperienced. But ultimately,
for me, you know, the biggest nightmares one of those
first round teams with all the history that Boston has
with all three of them in terms of Orlando, Atlanta, Miami,
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all three of those could be it could be problematic
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Heard it here, first focus. What that means. What that
means is if you were an anti Boston guy, if
you're the local on the show, you know, shout out
to you, Jack, and you want to see the Celtis
go down. It's probably not going to happen, like in
a shocking sense, but it's got to be death by
a thousand cuts. So yeah, stiff, you know, you know,
stiff competition throughout getting every round, get to get to
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the finals, and the Lakers go ahead and take y'all out.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I understand. There you go, and we tied it up.
We tie it up. Oh no, no, we're still we
got we got.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Work to do it. No, no, no, we would be tired
at that point.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Oh yeah, because it's seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Has been brought to you, buddy.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
And then we signed Nicolie Okis in the offseason. Baby,
you couldn't write a better script for me to go
to Fantasy town. Man, all Right, let's move on, because Warren,
we do respect your acumen and looking at basketball teams,
looking at the horizon, looking at.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
The teams out there.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
We've been doing a segment the last couple of weeks
contender verse pretender and in some cases chicken tender if
you feel that contender or pretender doesn't fit. And maybe
this is more better described as a crispy, delicious, umptuous
piece of chicken meat. Uh And there's no right there.
The chicken tender is a noble piece of food, no disrespect.
(29:15):
But it rhymes also, and that's why we did it.
So contender vers pretender, We've had the following the Calves contenders, Clippers,
chicken tenders, Pacers, Dino Nuggies.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Nuggets, burnt.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Okay, Wolves pretenders, doves contenders but with a side.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Of your favorite dipping sauce.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Thank you so much for that, Jabari. But let's take
a look now at some obvious ones and some hopeful
just to get your assessment here, Warrenshaw, Boston and.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Tender Yeah okay, okay, just wanted to make sure just
listen and keep it a butt Yeah okay, contender, what
about the no sorry, the Rockets.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Pretender I'm not going, I ain't going, ain't going nugget them.
Speaker 7 (30:00):
But but okay, they're they're yeah, they're they're not ready.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Fifteen to two over the last seventeen doesn't count.
Speaker 7 (30:06):
They need more season than my guy, Like, they need
to get get those get those playoffs bruises as you
all were talking about, Like I just I got to
see it to believe.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
But again, they're gonna be hard out Yeah, sure.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean they had Look that's that's they had
a pretty easy run. Well I don't know, no disrespect,
but that wasn't the most difficult running games, was it?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
The Warriors begrudgingly oh oh nah nah, I'm standing on
business pretender.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't believe this, oh.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Warren, I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 7 (30:38):
I think yeah, I think there's a there's a lot
of juice that Jimmy has obviously brought to this, to this,
to this organization, and I think Draymond is kind of
like willing it into existence since the All Star Game
that we're gonna contend for an NBA championship or whatever.
But I think, similarly to what we said in the
kind of the outset is that they're going to end
up in a first or second round matchup that is
(30:59):
maybe a little bit above their their punching class.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And I even if again.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
They get through, they probably get battered and bruised to
ultimately not get to the to the promised Land.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I just can't see it with this roster.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Miles, stop you if you heard this. The Doves are
as great as Steph is on a given night, and
that's not shade several recent games he's been dominated, you know,
fifty two to the other night, thirty seven, thirty six,
they look incredible. Then he has a stinker against the
against the Rockets, he shoots one for ten, doesn't ever
really get you know, make an impact on the game.
And you know, we see what takes place. Now that's
(31:30):
to say the hell out of him. They did.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
They blitz like he it was rap city. He had
no space.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
And yes, that's a young, plucky Rockets team that has
the horses in essence to do that. But again, as
you alluded to, if he ain't cooking, then it it's
rap city.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
For that team.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It's rap city because his shooting was in the basement.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
Okay, you know, just some light turn of the century.
I see you like turn of the Century BT references Okay,
we're gonna have hits from the street on the next.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Episode, Cameron count his money while he's flowing for you.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Hits come on this show, baby, we need And finally
Warren the Lakers just to get your take their temperature
real quick.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
Yeah, Oh man, I will I will, I will not.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I will not cave in the way that I would
order now I want to. I will give you guys
the nod of contenders here.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Oh okay, beyond all hell.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
But I think when people y'all got Luca and it
was it's.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Gonna take some time, they don't have it, and then
Mark Williams thing, you know, back the way, so forth
and so forth, I just think it was overlooking and
maybe just flat out hate and understanding. These are generational
geniuses playing together. And yes, the defense can be suspect
at times. But I think there's there's this aspects of
(33:00):
situational defense. I talk about a lot of time, like, hey,
if you can start to clamp up, you know, you
keep the game close, and you clamp up the last
six minutes of the fourth quarter or whatever it is,
you can see a lot of things, especially with Luke
and Lebron, you know, on your roster, and they make
jack guys like Jackson Hayes, who you know probably should
be a journeyman for all intensive purposes.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
You make him look like a viable NBA player, are
It's yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
So they said, y'all make me a little bit nervous,
but you know, I'll get y'all contender route.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Look, that's why, Warren you are our most respected Boston fan.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You know exactly. That love.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's love. That's love.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I mean, we we only respect one and it's you.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Hey, it's a small club.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
A jacket.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out Josh Gondleman. Shout out
Alicia to.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Uh you know, you know from Boston. Yeah yeah, we
we have a couple of people, you know. But that's it.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's small club.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
All right, cool, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Let's take another quick break and we come back. Warren
Shaw sign for.
Speaker 6 (34:01):
The fourth quarter rapid fire round of questioning right after this,
and we're back.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Warren Shaw. You are a respected fan of the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
We respect you as a person, as an analyst, but
now it's time to enter the zone of disrespect. It's
the fourth quarter round of rapid fire questioning. We're gonna
ask you a question. Just act quick, don't think, keep it,
move it. If you hold the segment up, we will
be rude. And I tried to rap like one of
those SoundCloud kids that's not really rapping but real talking.
(34:42):
But we've been away with it. I'm you know, I
hate to be an older head. We were just talking
about rap City of the Basement hits from the street.
But these kids ain't rapid.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, I think everybody.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
No, I don't want to I want to speed I do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm like what okay?
Speaker 2 (34:59):
What?
Speaker 5 (34:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Now you did sound like somebody that I was in too.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean that's like a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That's a lot.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Anyway, this is called the Old Head Basketball Wrap Podcast,
but it's not for the fourth rd question Naing Warrenshaw,
you know the deal.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Here we go. Are you ready? It's her Brian, start
the clock started. This is gonna go quick.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
You want to go first?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Should I go first? I don't know how you feel
about it, Warren? Which one of us should go first? Yeah?
What are you sorry? Okay? Okay, that was quick. That
was quick.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
And not take that as disrespect.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I will I will. You know they don't.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Okay, I see it's on now.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's not most or more dominant player Tatum in Bird's
era or Bird today.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Bird today, and why that's the answer mentality.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah yeah, bird Bird at meantime in the league.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Give me that, and I know, I just you want
to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, you gotta see that.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
You gotta see it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
This is guy from some and they used to cry
actual tears. Same about about Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Same you're saying, saying actual.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Tears about how much I but yes, give.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Me, but you gotta see it, you gotta see And
an all time trash poker, I mean, come.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
On yeah, yeah yeah, And Warren, I'm about to talk
to some trash too, because we need to keep this
thing moving.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Man.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Thanks you for trying to sneak that last comment in
I'm keeping this going, Warren.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You can pick any former Celtic yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
You can pick any former Celtics legend to make a
run with this current squad, except for the aforementioned Larry
Bird because we already that.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
That's I want to see that too.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Anybody else KG Yeah, yeah, I mean it's when you.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Have teams that are that in sact though, but yeah,
you know, it was like it's only a few teams
where you like any player and then you just say
one of their greats and like, yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You're gonna get that one of the best.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Yeah, that's a good I would love to see, man,
I would love to see KG playing with these dudes
because it's I I love his commentary about it, Like
these guys right now. I would love to see that
energy on the court miked up zoomed in documentary Now, thank.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
You ag hyping up porzingis Oh yeah, taking his chest,
Oh my heart, that's what your boy would be saying.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Oh yeah, oh man, all.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Right, keep it going, keep it going. Seize trivia here
for you. Who do you think they're all time franchise
leader in triple double suits triple Holy hell eh Anton
Walker he's number six on the list with thirteen. Yeah,
let's see, I mean you can get Yeah, he's with thirteen.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
He's sick Rondo he is four with twenty two. Oh
my god, triple doubles.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Oh, it's all the people you think, number one fifty
nine of them things.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Wow, number guy G seven and a half. Is this
at some point eight and since yeah, yeah. Yeah, so
that's I guess that's probably more obvious than than I'm
giving it credit for.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Number two is someone I have disrespected in your presence
on several occasions. Pires, No, that's that's just he's.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Number seven all of this.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, you got me.
Speaker 5 (38:19):
I don't know old school go old school old Yeah,
one hand, one hand on them one hand.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Who are you talking.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
About, Bob Coosey.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I didn't know if they were keeping the record back then. Yeah,
thirty three.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Cleaning it up, John having a third, thirty one, Yodge
and Rondo twenty two. Bill Russell was seventeen.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Wow, that's what sorry, ye learned something today?
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yeah, thank you for this bonus. Best guess how many
times has Larry Bird scored forty or more points?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Forty two?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Whoa close? Damn close?
Speaker 5 (39:00):
That was very close the answer forty seven?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Man Warren, Okay, okay, I wasn't familiar with your game,
young man.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Respect you.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
I respect that, I respect that, I respect that. I
knew you were all right when you were making Rap
City references.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Sir, I knew you were good people. What about some
bonus bonus? Can you?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Are vetus be exactly the bonuses of the Booms. Give
us how many Tatum.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Has forty point games?
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yep. And is it higher or lower?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think it's slightly lower.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
It is lower.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I'm going to say thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Still close twenty nine?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
No, dang, he's not.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah. I was surprised by that, to be honest with Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, I mean I scaring like high thirties too.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yes, they feel like yeah, yeah, they feel like And
he's sitting in the fourth quarters of a lot of
these games over the last couple of years at least.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, that's they're feeling like forties.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
If you go by this per thirty six, maybe we
get better exactly exactly.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Well, Warren Shaw, thank you for joining us. But before
you go, oh, you have to help us pick the
game of the week.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
That's the game we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Watch, all the listeners gonna watch, so we can talk
about it briefly up top of the next show.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Our options are. Here's what we have on the menu.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
On Thursday, we have the Calves at Pacers on TNT,
Friday Houston at Lakers on NBA TV, and Sunday Clippers
at Warriors.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Are your local or league pass.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
The most important game will probably be Clippers Warriors Sunday,
honestly just by virtue of where they're all like, they're
like some sort of crazy five way times I know.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Right, is it like four through eight?
Speaker 5 (40:33):
So like it could potentially have some kind of weird
tiebreaker if they had identical records or something.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
I thought.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
I think the Clippers can control their destiny to like
maintain in that in that five position or get as
high as four, I think potentially. So yeah, Clippers Warriors
by far and away of those three and Calves and Pacers.
Speaker 5 (40:49):
No, no, thanks, I'm good, fantastic well, Warrenshaw again, thank
you so much for joining us on miles and jabarga
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Thank you.
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And on Twitter, I think I'm I think I'm still
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Get it together?
Speaker 3 (41:33):
What is it?
Speaker 7 (41:34):
This is?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I need to well because I changed it a couple
of times but didn't win because the league tweets it out.
I was like, oh, I need to actually change that back.
So I think it's Boria Davis and in on Blue
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Speaker 5 (42:05):
That is going to do it for us this week.
We'll be back next week. Oh you get just one
step closer, baby, the postseason, the business, and maybe all
my dreams will be fulfilled or I will be a
crumbling mess of pathetic emotion because I had deluded myself
into believing that the Lakers were somehow infallible.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Stay tuned to see.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Which option we get.
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It will be thrilling. We'll talk to you that Bye
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