Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro’s Illegitimate Son (with Jon Lovett)

Were Margaret Trudeau's “borders” open to Cuba? (with Jon Lovett)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Then the question would be, how do we get a
hair sample from Justin Trudeau? And we probably could. We
recruit somebody who works in a hotel, get one of
his hairs, capture his pea toilet tap.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh shit, I never knew about that. I never thought
about getting the pee. That's so cool, stealing people's pee
and poop. Yeah, oh yeah, Well, of course.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry o'she. I served in
the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover
all around the.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
World, and in my thirty three years with the CIA,
I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Although we don't usually look at it this way, we
created conspiracies.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
In our operations. We got people to believe things that
weren't true.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the
news almost every day.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
We'll break them down for you to determine whether they
could be real or whether we're being manipulated.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Welcome to Mission Implausible.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Welcome to this week's Mission Employed. Back again with us
is Adam Davidson.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey, guys, what have you been up to?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Adam?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
I think you know I'm always up to different projects
and a big project for me these days is working
with Vermont artistical cheesemakers, and I'm trying to turn this
podcast more in that direction.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
And you can tell us about who cut the cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well, that's actually a good question, because cutting the cheese
is a key decision that any cheesemaker needs to make.
And actually, this is an interesting thing I learned, like
artistical cheese, not like factory made cheese, but like real
fancy cheese. It's very temperamental. Every day is different because
the cows if it was a rainy day or if
it was a particularly hot day though they're in bad

(01:40):
mood or something, or if they're in a bad mood,
the microflora will be different. And so a big thing
you have to do is decide it's cut ability, because
when you buy cheese in the store that's pre wrapped
to a specific size, the cheese has to have certain
like tight structure.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
But then if you go, guys, I'm sorry to break in.
This is your producer, John Stern. I usually don't get
involved in this part in the intro of these episodes,
but I want to remind you it's called the podcast
business there, and the podcast business a key component is
cooking in the audience early on, as opposed to the
exact opposite.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
So you're saying, expand beyond chat or get into Alpine
Cheese's wash Strine cheese.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Is I have an idea because there are various foods,
but cheese as well that look like certain people. And
so our episode today we're going to be talking about
is Justin Trudeau related to Fidel Castro phenomenal. Today we
have a special guest, a real podcast legend, John love It.
John's a well known screenwriter, comedian, podcaster, and the founder

(02:42):
of Crooked Media. You probably know him from pod Save
America and Love It or Leave It. And John was
a speechwriter for Hillary Clinton and President Obama, among other things.
So go ahead to have you here today.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
John, great to be here, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
So we want to talk about some conspiracies. The one
that you know, we sort of want to tee up
is the conspira that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is
the son of Cuban dictator Fidel Kestro.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
I just want to start by saying I have two
points I want to make before I walk you through
the details. One is that I believe every person, for
the sake of the suppleness of their own mind, should
believe in at least one true conspiracy theory. If your
heart isn't big enough in this confusing, messy, complicated world

(03:26):
to find space for one story that the world says
is false, but one part of Reddit says is true,
your heart isn't open enough. The second point I want
to make is I don't know that this is true.
My point is not that it is true. My point
is I want to live in a world where the

(03:47):
word debunket means something. And my only claim that i
will defend is not that the story I'm about to
tell you is true. It is that it is not debunked.
That's all I want to claim. Okay, so here's the
conspiracy there. And I first got wind of it when
they remember there were those Canadian truckers protesting.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
Oh yeah, and Ottawa, Yeah yeah, the free folk of
the North, that's right, And they were protesting Trudeau and
they claimed that Fidel Castro is the father of Canadian
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
This immediately started getting the kind of Snopes treatment. The
AP round a story that said, no, Fidel Castro is
not Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau's father. The Time said misinformation
has been a key weapon wielded by Canada's protest movement,
and critics of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau have returned to
one simmering falsehood that mister Trudeau is the love child

(04:41):
of the former Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Snopes calls it
false and here's here's why they call it false. The
Times reported that mister Trudeau's mother, Margaret, famously traveled to
Cuba and met mister Castro at the beginning of nineteen
seventy six, but the visit was more than four years
after mister Trudeau was born on December twenty fifth, nineteen
in seventy one. Given her high profile, it would have

(05:02):
been highly unlikely for Missus Trudeau to have slipped into
Cuba undetected. Castro and Margaret Trudeau would have had to
have conceived their secret love child between March sixteenth and
April twenty second, nineteen seventy one, and because after their
brief honeymoon through Trudeau's went to Canada, Snopes go as
far as to say claims that Fidel Castro and Margaret
Trudeau had an affair that produced the current Canadian Prime
minister are impossible on both biological and historical grounds. That

(05:26):
seems to be definitive, right, Like you kind of look
at the facts there, right, it's interesting, right, they've met, Right,
it's kind of like the messy thing that's enough to
make people ask the question.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
And not like being Fidel Castro's love child is.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
A bad thing, right, I mean, no judgments.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
It could be crazier. It could be like the president
of the United States was born in like another country
and secretly moved to Hawaii for a burstart.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
To the right. But that's off the top of your head,
off the top of your head. So this is Snope's
basically saying. The most plausible explanation remains that Pierre and
Margaret Trudeau had sex and created a child and that
child became Justin Trudeau. But there is a big problem
with this theory. And again I am relying on Reddit,
and what we also know is that Maggie and Pete Trudeau,

(06:10):
as I call them, they did enjoy having sex, maybe
with each other, but definitely others, and that's their life
and they had fun and that was the time and began.
No judgment, So what is the evidence that runs counter
to this. First, you have to look at a picture
of Fidel Castro and Justin Trudeau side by side. Just
look at it, all right, draw your own fucking conclusions.

(06:32):
Look at a picture of them side by side, and
just admit that there's a resemblance. But the ap the Times,
and Snopes do not address this is what I will
call the second honeymoon theory. This originates on Reddit. But
the people claiming this is debunk do not address this fact,
which is that, according to the Ottawao Journal, which ran

(06:53):
a piece on the thirteenth of April in nineteen seventy
one headline Trudeau's privacy respective Bridgetown, Barbados, Prime Minister Trudeau
and his wife left here Monday by chartered plane on
a quick side trip to an unidentified nearby island. They
arrived here Thursday on a brief second honeymoon and have

(07:13):
reportedly been staying at a private residence on the island's
posh west coast. That trip lines up an unidentified island.
Perhaps a rendezvous took place, perhaps some swinging occurred.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
You said that the articles you're reading said that it
was biologically debunked. How was it possibly biologically debunk where's
the like they have blood samples.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, I think what they're saying is if you don't
account for that second honeymoon, it is not possible. And
all I'm saying is there's just some more debunking to
be done. I need that, I.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Need biological debunking. That's just that's circumstantial time.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, circumstances, timeline debunking. So all that leads me to
the conclusion, which is not that Justin Trudeau is the
son of Fidel Castro, merely that there is more debunking
to be done before we can declare this bunk debunked this.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
And I've looked into this the Internet, dark conspiracies on
mostly on Margaret Trudeau. Apparently she met Pierre, her husband,
in Tahiti, how lovely, when she was barely eighteen and
he was frigging forty seven. So she's a waif and
she doesn't know lots of people they marry and this

(08:23):
is you know, there's three kinds of people in this world,
those that can do math and those that can't. So
they were married on four March nineteen seventy one, and
Justin Trudeau was born on twenty five December seventy one,
so that's eight months, two weeks and a couple of days.
So it is conceivable that he was conceived out of wedlock.

(08:47):
So Castro or whoever the father would have to be.
He would have to have either been along on the honeymoon,
which you've said, or have gotten in just like before
the honeymoon. You got to basically say that a nineteen
year old girl who doesn't know anybody is going to
have to meet the dictator, be swept away by him,
betted by him.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Famously charming man, famously charming.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
And he had a lot of paramours.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I will also say too that part of what I
think the Canadian Trucker's glombed onto this is that maybe
that communism is like genetically inherited, which I also don't think.
You know, it's like like not, you know, justin Drudeau
is not, you know, he's it's he's communism runs in
his veins.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
We got to take a break now and we'll be
back in just a minute.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Glad to have everybody back. Let's go back down.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
The rabbit hole. But I mean she was running around
with people like the Rolling Stones and Jack Nicholson and
other so even if it's not Fidel Castro, there could
be some other things we could explore here, right, But
there's a story in one of those articles that said
the conspiracy started when Castro's oldest son committed suicide and
left behind a note claiming that Trudeau was his brother.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know about Justin, but certainly her other kids
or even conceidedly so the list of paramores goes with
Mick Jaggers, Nichols, Ted Kennedy, Ronnie Wilson.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Ted Kennedy, and Ryan O'Neill.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So I don't know, could she have met any of
those guys?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, because even the dates of the trip that people
are coming on could be his younger He's got two
younger brothers too, so it's possible that the younger brothers
is that Castro.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
That there is a deeper question and the human psych
is why DNA is so important in politics. Politics and
paternity seem to go together in conspiracy theories because Chris
paternity up until recently could never have been proved. If
you want to do a side by side, take a
picture of Prince Harry and put it next to James Hewitt.

(10:45):
If you're going to fool around with somebody. Don't fool
around with a redhead. And you put the two of
them together, the horse whisper, and they did have an affair.
She had an affair with a redheaded guy, but that's
never been proven.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
I do think there's a little there is misogyny in it,
to be honest too, about like why people really care
about this. I think people love speculating about the royals,
and I think that there's something about line of succession
that alights in people, you know, Elizabeth the fst running
around and having no heirs and all that, and like
kind of the tracing the lineage back.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
At a deeper level. What this kind of means both
the Obama birth and this is basically what people are
saying is he's not one of us, He's not in
our tribe. It's a way to try to sort of
exclude him and anybody who supports him, and.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
That the elites are all interconnected and have these secrets
that we don't get to know, that they preach one
way of living and actually live another way because the
rules don't apply to them.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
And the people who pick this up. You mentioned that
the truckers. There's definitely a right wing thing about the
truckers and also other podcast legend Joe Rogan, who have
never listened to is also one of these people who's
spread this tends to be the right wing people pick
up on these things to use him as smeartech.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Like, no one's telling you the truth. There are a
lot of secrets that actually you have to You can't
trust what you read, you can't trust what you see.
There's a deeper, truer story that you can only find
by going to alternate, unconventional, less reliable sources that like,
they'll tell you one thing about the vaccine, but actually
the truth is more complicated, or there's a secret web

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of powerful people in the nineteen seventies fucking in the Caribbean.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So let us take you into our former world as
agency officers wanting to know about people's their physical makeup,
their DNA. It wouldn't be beyond the realm of the
possible for the agency to want to collect. Say if
I had a way of getting Vladimir Putin's p that
would be valuable, right, I mean, what medicines is he on?

(12:49):
And you know who is kids are, and you know
can you detect these? Right? If John and I back
in the day, Director Cia says, you to get to
the bottom of this, we need you know, the President
wants to know definitively. Then the question would be, how
do we get a hair sample from Justin Trudeau? And
we probably could same with Prince Harry. We recruit somebody

(13:12):
works in a hotel, get one of his hairs, capture his.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Pee, toilet tap, toilet tap. Oh shit, I never knew
about that. I never thought about getting the pee. That's
so cool, stealing people's pee and poop. Yeah, oh yeah,
well of course, and some of these.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Guys they know that it's done, so they probably make
sure that there's false pea and poop push down and right.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wow, you got to make sure you don't get counter p.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, you gotta get a number of specimens from different
places counter intel P.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's this is James Bond stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Man, it's precisely not James Bond stuff. Like it's exactly not.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
But they're collecting other body, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
You know that's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
If we could steal Justin Trudeau's comb or we got
one of his pubes, we could just solve the mystery
for you.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
When a head of state visits the White House, right,
like does't Drudaux has been to the White House and
he's probably had a salad. You're basically there.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
And then the next time he comes that we could
say we know your fidels and we're going to hold
that over you for the rest of your time.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I presume somewhere in the in Langley, in some basement
vaults there's various Fidel Castro samples.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Why do you think we want all these guys to
come to the UN right? All the world leaders? Hum
turf And he famously came. When he came to New
York the first time for the UN he went to
Harlem and stayed in like a slum, just to make
a statement. This kind of thing in history, it does
become serious. John's the Russian expert. But in the seventeen

(14:40):
eighties there was the Pugachov Rebellion in Russia and millions
of people died and half of Russia was conquered. And
the whole point of it was this peasant Pugachov claimed
that he was the Czar Paul the third and Catherine
the Great was just a German war, and people followed
h His conspiracy theory was obviously not true, but people

(15:04):
so didn't want the political leadership they had Catherine the Great,
a German, they were willing to buy into this conspiracy theory,
and the country was ripped apart and hundreds of thousands
died in battle and millions died in famine. That came
from that, all based off of like who's your daddy?
So the peasants in Russia, it was clear they were

(15:27):
desperate for a narrative that said that the current political
elite was illegitimate and wrong, and they were willing to
again and their thousands die against this. So let's switch
forward to today's think there are an unlimited supply of
conspiracy theories. But why do some catch Why would the
Birtherism thing with for Barack Obama? Why would that resonate?

(15:48):
What does that say about us?

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah, it catches because just like you said, they want
to say he's the other you know, it's ugly politics.
I mean, John knows this stuff better than any of us.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right, We've had Trump kind of with two lies like this,
Well we've many lies, but two that stand out obviously
is he put himself on the national stage as a
political figure through the birther conspiracy theory, and now he
spreads a conspiracy theory, a lie about the election. They both,
in various ways, play on people's fears of the other,
of racism, the assumption that Barack Obama can't be from here,

(16:22):
given what he looks like and how he thinks. And
with the conspiracy theory around the election, Trump ties it
back to Shenanigan's going on in cities. Right. Oh, you
got to look at what happened in Philadelphia, you got
to look at what happened in Detroit, you got to
look at what happened in Atlanta, which is his way
of saying black people are getting one over on us,
us the white Republicans. You know, Trump spread the Birther

(16:42):
conspiracy theory. You can't really point, i think, to a
way in which that redounded to any kind of like
political advantage. But I'm sure the polling on how many
people believe that ebbs and flows it is and I'm
sure quite dispiriting how many Republicans believed in it. I
think the big lie has been one he's kind of
stuck with longer, used more, has gotten more purchase, in

(17:04):
part because it doesn't just confirm fears about the Americans
that they don't like. It also confirms a kind of
pride about like, I know my country, this country wouldn't
vote for someone like that. The people I know voted
for Donald Trump. Of course, has got to be another
stool we couldn't have lost. So there's a way in
which I think the big lie validates people in a
way that the Birther lie doesn't, which I think is

(17:24):
why it has a little bit more purchase, because it
affirms not just a negative idea of the other, but
a positive view of themselves.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I think that's even a more generous way to look
at I do think the birther thing had an impact
on election in the sense that what Cambridge Analytica did
and what the Russians did in the lead up twenty
sixteen is there was a portion of an American electric
that never ever voted on the right, and I think,
based on the Facebook data that Cambridge Analytica had, there

(17:54):
was an effort to make those people so worked up
and so angry that people who never voted on the
right came out and voted. And the Birther thing could
play a role in that, is trying to find sort
of the really really radical people who just have never
played in our political system and get them to be voters.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I think that's totally right. I don't disagree with that
at all. I think the birther story is part of
a story of they're taking your country from you. But
it was just like a tile and a nightmare mosaic
that they were making, you know, as opposed to as
most of the big lie now, which is central right.
It is a central plank of Donald Trump's campaign, which,
by the way, appeals to a lot of Republicans but

(18:31):
alienates a ton of other normies out there.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think the power in the birth Rhythm thing is
it allowed him to break norms, like I can say
this and I can still get away with it, whereas
you couldn't before. And the second thing is if you
buy into it, sort of like a religion or a cult.
Once you start buying into it, you're in right. You're
part of the team now. Like my next door neighbor

(18:55):
is a Detroit Lions fan. You know, in ten years
ago he was like, the Lions are the greatest. Knew
they weren't, but you got to buy into the fib
to be on the team. And so that's the price
of admission and increasingly so selling your soul. You've got
to buy into the absolute bullshit.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Basically sent a message to millions of Republicans, which is
that I don't give a fuck. I'll say whatever I
want and they can't stop me. And I think one
of Trump's great I think ways of sort of like
feral genius is understanding that signal. Like now, saying you
believe that Joe Biden is not legitimate is a way
you prove your bona fides. It's a it's a vicious circle.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
So what kind of conspiracies can we see that are
similar to the Trudeau thing that might be spun out
In a lead up to the election.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Trump has trotted out Nicki Haley, right, sort of birthruisms.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah, he's doing the birth thruism a bit on
Nicki Haley, sort of a racist attack on her. Kamala
Harris is really pulling the strings?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Sort of a has a similar sort of geometry to
it as a story. You know, it's like here's the
real power, Here's what's who's here's who's really in charge.
That's why they said brock Obama had studied anti colonialism.
That was sort of a buzzword for a while, and
it's like, your leaders aren't who they say they are,
and they don't believe what they claim to believe.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Let's take a breather and back in a moment, and
where back. I think it's time that we addressed the
eutlephant in the room. Something that yeah that we and
our audience, you know, we're all thinking it, but I'll

(20:27):
just say it. Grover Cleveland, Right, Yeah, So Grover Cleveland,
he was running for president and a woman comes out
and says, I have a ten year old illegitimate son,
and the son belongs to Grover Cleveland. And the entire
country is looking at two pictures of the kid and
of Grover Cleveland. Could it be his? Or couldn't it?

(20:49):
And in fact, the whole push of the opposition political party,
their motto was ma, Ma, Where's my Pa? This was
the whole thing. And Grover Cleveland was able to put
a stop to this push to delegitimize his candidcy by
basically saying the kid could be mine. I'm not really sure,
but I'll claim him. And he won, and then the

(21:12):
slogan Mama, Where's my Pa? Then became as everybody knows
gone to the White House? Ha ha ha, like fuck
you we.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Won really good? That's it? Hey, that's cool? Is there
the scoreboard? Chant?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
It got weird with Grover Cleveland because he said later
in his papers that, as everyone knows, he said that
the kid isn't actually his. It actually belongs to his
business partner who was older than him. But his business
partner was married and he was a bachelor, so he said,
I didn't think it would be said bad if I
did it, because it would destroy my business partner's marriage.
And then it turns out that Grover Cleveland, when he

(21:47):
did get married in the White House, he married his
business partner's daughter.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Fucking Grover Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Worth remembering too, right? Paternity conspiracies or just a subset
of centuries, thousands of years of attacks around infidelity which
are hypocritical and will never end.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
So, John, why do you think people would want to
believe that Justin Trudeau is Fidel castro Son? What is
the what's the impetus behind this?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
First of all, it's just fun. It's like a prime
minister and they're traveling. It's another era. It's the nineteen seventies.
There's a dictator from Cuba involved the enemy of the West.
It has a kind of like spy movie vibe, which
I think is just fun. And then I do think
there's a little bit of like the idea that like

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genes can be responsible for overturning Batista.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Are there any conspiracies, other conspiracies that you sort of
are interested in it? Because we respect you so much
for coming on, we will also believe that.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Let me think, what is a conspiracy theory? I actually
believe here's one. It's not exactly a conspiracy theory, but
I do think it's an unanswered question, which is, do
you remember when former Clinton administration official Sandy Berger was
caught with documents in his socks. He passed away. We

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never found out what was going on, and the explanation
was something along the lines of, oh, these were drafts
of documents that were still preserved, that nothing was truly lost,
something to that effect. But it was deeply strange and
remains unanswered. I don't know if i'd call it a
conspiracy theory, but I don't believe we have the whole truth.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Well, John's great having you on. It's such a such
a pleasure for us, and so.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
So do you know how to tell male chromosomes from
female chromosomes?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh? No, how God, how.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
You pull their genes down?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Ugh?

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I got kids.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I got kids as a blast. Hey, I had so
much fun.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Adam Davidson, welcome back to the show.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Great to be with you guys.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So, Adam, what do you think about that discussion we
just had about Justin Trudeau Fidel Castro? And if you
can merge us with the discussion of cheese, that'd be great.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
And so you live up by the Canadian border.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You're in Vermont, right, I am in Vermont.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
As I've told you like four hundred times.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
What are you picking up on that particular conspiracy from
your side of the Canadian border?

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Well, I would say that in Vermont that would just
be a positive people. Would you know that that would
be seen as a really good characteristic of any politician.
I'd say if Bernie Sanders, I mean, he already gets
like two thirds of the vote, but if he spread
the rumor that he's also Fidel Castro's son.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And you know how the Canadians sleep around much more
than the people in Vermont do. So this is not
really a surprise.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
As far as I can tell now Vermont is we
We are like the biggest compliment. That's what we say
at a party. Oh you look like Fidel Castro's son.
Oh hi, you look like this this delicious Vermont made
artisanal cheese's son. You know, we're Bernie Country. We love
our Fidel Castro. We are a weirdly functional state. By

(24:56):
the way, this is just a side note. Two thirds
of the state votes for Bernie Sanders for a Senate
and two thirds of the state vote for our very
moderate Republican governor. And we have a weird thing where
we have like a sensible bipartisan legislature that actually works
across the aisle to achieve outcome. I will say with
Fidel Castro, just talking about northern states. I did some

(25:20):
reporting when Fidel Castro was still alive on agriculture policy
in the US, and one pocket of enormous support for
Fidel Castro in the US is bean farmers, especially northern
Midwest like the North Dakota's Minnesota. If you meet someone
who farms soybeans or other beans for human consumption, like

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a guy in their eighties or seventies who probably votes
for Trump, probably has never voted for a Democrat. I
would say there's a not unreasonable chance they have met
Fidel Castro, because all along we have had trade delegations
to Cuba for basic food stuffs, and it's been a
part of particularly beans of US export policy. It's like

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nobody knows about it, but it's been really funny. I
was sitting in a combine in North Dakota with a
Republican farmer who was telling me about them many many
times he had had dinner with Fidel Castro, and how
fun it was, how he was up until two in
the morning.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Maybe if our relationship approves, we can send them meat
and other vegetables.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
It's kind of a weird thing where there's a very
small number of people who it's really important for, and
they don't really want the word out, you know, because
they feel like if it gets too loud, it'll all
get shut down. All right, I'm pulling up a photo
of young Fidel Castro next to Justin Trudeau, who, let's
be honest, it always looks young, you guys, see it?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It is striking, is it not?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
It is not. I'm not seeing it on this two
eyes and nose in a mouth, But I'm not buying it.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
You know, as I look more like at the eyes,
at the nose, at the ear, it a little bit
falls apart, but there is a go all, like an
overall just lo.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
I hate agreeing with Jerry, but like, I see the
same thing. You could almost put any two people together
unless they're crazily different looking, and say, oh yeah, look
you see they look the same. So like if I
saw those two pictures together and didn't know about any
of this, I wouldn't say to myself, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
It is not enough to build a conspiracy around. Although
that guy who they say is JFK. Junior, the fact
that he looks literally nothing like JFK. Junior is almost proof.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
What you're discussing here is pari dola, which is the
seeing faces and inanimate objects like the man in the
moon or Elvis's face and mold on a on a refrigerator.
There's an actual word for that.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
There's a word for something you would absolutely know at
Perry Dolans.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Everybody should know that one. But yeah, yeah, if you
put Justin Trudeau and you put him next to Robert
Mugabi say, I would say, yeah, okay, probably not. This
is closer but I'm maybe it's the beard. You've got
a beard, ad him.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
I get David Cross all the time, like I have.
I have people nervously come up to me and be like,
I'm such a fan of your work, and I'm like,
oh my goodness, thank you. And I loved Alvin and
the Chipmunks.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
I'm just not clear on whether Cubans believe the conspiracy
theory that Fidel Castro is Justin Trudeau's father.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
That's an interesting point.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well, didn't Trump say that Ted Cruz's father was involved
with Oswald and Cuba and trying to assassinate Kennedy.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
I have some bad news for you, Jerry, because I
obviously believe that myself as well. But it turns out
in the Trump hush money case, David Pecker revealed that
that was actually made up, that they locked that up.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Something was made up in the National Inquiry.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Oh yeah, God, and Ted Cruz has got to be livid, livid.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh livid.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
He's so livid that he only triple extra endoors Trump
for president.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
What was made up that Ted Cruz has a father,
that Ted Cruz is a human being?

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I want to thank John and Adam for this episode
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Speaker 3 (28:56):
I thought it was going to be a cheesemaker mission.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'shay, John Cipher,
and Jonathan Sterner.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
The associate producer is Rachel Harner.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
This has been a

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Production of Abominable Pictures, an honorable mention for iHeart Podcasts.