Feeling Used w/ Moriah Jade

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Happy Holidays.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hi guys, it's Stevin Simone. Did you like my Santa Foys?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yes? And this is Daveon Rogers. I am not an
elf or reindeer.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Oh I FTV Official Challenge Podcast tens the season France.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Tends the season tests.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
This season to be messy.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
L L LA girl. This episode this is how you
know you're in the middle of the season. It gets wild.
So much happened. So first we have the challenge called Skyball.
The winners that came out on top was the Orange Team.
They did their thing. Jay looked like a great leader
up there. So then the Orange team votes in Kyland,

(00:47):
even though some of Kylan's alliance was in fact on
the Orange things. So Kylin thought he was gonna be safe. Nope,
not at all. And then the House votes in James
despite Mariah's politicking. James like, I'm not going to politic
if you vote me in fu Well, that's basically what
they did. Then we get to the draw and who
is our mercenary none other than four Time in a
Row Challenge champ Darrell Taylor. And according to Davon, this

(01:12):
is the best he's ever looked with that beard and
I gotta say I agree. Shout out to Darrell Darrel
instead of drawing like the blank or chaos card, unfortunately
he draws Kylin. So the elimination is Durell versus Kylon.
Now the elimination they have to do is Firewalker, which
is it seems like a pretty good equalizer because they
have to take They're sitting on this platform and then
they have to light each of these torches that surrounds

(01:34):
the platform, and they're doing a little bit of like
hula dance, a little bit of pole dance. It's got agility,
stamming up, brain power, all of that. It looks like
it's gonna be a neck and neck race. But ultimately
Kylon comes out on top, securing that ten thousand dollars
for the future Challenge champ and sending this four time
Challenge champ home with no money.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Girl, What an episode? What an episode? To be clear,
I don't like Darrell's beard. Cut it off, you don't.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think it balances out the ball head so well
and hit it shaped up. He looked at it all.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
His wife love it if it ain't none of my business.
But if she don't like it, cut it off, Cut
it off.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Hey, looks good. I thought he looked great, but you
said he's one of the.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Most men to ever play this game. Absolutely, I stand
firm on there. Absolutely, there you go. With all respects
to his wife. I was gorgeous too, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I definitely send on that. Yes, absolutely, we love Darell.
What were your thoughts, what were your initial feelings in
this episode?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Okay, so in this episode, first of all, the skyball
could never be me. I don't like things that spinning circles.
I don't like things that spining soul. So when that
ball first detached and they start spinning in that circle,
I was like, let me off, let me off.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And I'm just watching an episode. I said, let me off.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I would have been at the bottom within the ree
collecting the damn balls because I just couldn't face.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I'd have been on the other side kicking them off.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yon been like, they've only doing right.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
But yeah, that kind of threw me for a loot.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Watching Jay in this challenge was absolutely amazing, Like he
took control, as he always does.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
He took control. He climbs up there and he just
start throwing them.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
In and I'm like, this is classic ja like he's
showing out this season.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
He was very proud of the way he's showing out
this season.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Absolutely, yeah, agreed. So then who ultimately gets your time
out for this week? And then who gets your.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Out this week goes to Kylin.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I'm going to say this, and all of my
Big Brother watchers are going to understand why I say this.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Kylin is a thief. Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
This funeral was stolen from one of the greatest Big
Brother players ever, and it is called Dan's funeral.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
This guy named Dan was up for a.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Nomination to be sent home, and so he came up
with this whole strategy to create this funeral in order
to try to save himself and to get the people
back on his side. Right.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Of course, Dan did it flawlessly.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Kylin pulls it off flawlessly too, because people started, you know,
smiling and stuff. He was still wanting regardless, but people
started smiling and stuff. It was a great way to
get the people back on his side. But I know
a thief when I see a thief, Kyla, I know
a thief when I see a thief. But yes, I'm
gonna go ahead and put you in time out for
not being original okay, and.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Less we not forget the Great Challenge Funeral on twenty
fourteen aka Ta may or the Whigs Funeral because see
the funeral was done first on the Challenge if we're
gonna if We're gonna go there. But good point because
I didn't know that. As a big Brotherwaxtion, I thought
it was funny, although I thought he did Melissa dirty
by being like later rest of my relationship, like dang girl,
he's she's still on the plate, like they should go.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right that is. Wild. I think my time out for
this week has to go to you know, I don't actually,
no one really made me that, mad, I guess. If anything,
I'm frustrated. I'm watching this episode and I'm frustrated by
Mariah just because I feel like she's riding harder for

(04:58):
someone than what we see as writing for her. And
I feel like she's putting it all out there and
putting herself at risk, and that's the thing that sort
of makes me nervous, Similarly how we saw Raven earlier
in the season. I just feel like she's putting herself
out there, you know what I mean, And I'm like, girl,
what are you getting back like I want you to
be equal, you know, if you're gonna ride like Jay
Michelle for example, Like, yeah, Michelle writes hard for Jay,

(05:19):
but what we see so far, although the mid season
teaser says that that may break up that Michelle writes
hard for j but Jay writes hard for Michelle, And
so I just want to see that back for Mariah
and I don't. I'm not seeing it right now. So
it's kind of a tie between timeouts of James in general.
Actually know what James gets it because James also says
to Drell, you're lucky when I don't know if you
caught that. In the elimination when it's Kylin, James turns

(05:42):
Sorel's like, you're lucky as he had boy, if you
don't take your ice skating tights back up on the
platform as Darrell referred to them, and sit down somewhere.
So yeah, now my timeout's definitely gonna go to.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
James, who's your gold star, but go far of the week,
it's also going to Kyland because baby, you'll beat Drell. Okay,
that has nothing to do that, And I too, like Zarel,
who is one of.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
The ghats of the goats of the Goats of the Ghosts.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
And so to walk away not only also saving ten
thousand dollars like take your cast members, Joe welcome.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Saving them ten thousand dollars, but then also.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Saying that you beat Dereil that and having that under
your bill you had beat Zreil.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
So he definitely gets my goal star this week.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Absolutely props to Kylin for that. I'd have to say
my gold star for this week. Also shout out to
the periwinkle shirt that TJ wore during the daily challenge.
You looked good. I also liked the black button down,
would have paired it with a different pant in the elimination.
Now my gold star has to go to the Orange team.
The way that they work so well and flawlessly together
and the way that Jay really took charge but not

(06:44):
just from like an ego place, but but was like
effective and efficient with it and they got it done.
I thought it was a beautiful, flawless execution of what
we want to see in a team. So they are
going to get my gold star for the week. An
honorable mention for gold Star, you guys is this upcoming interview? Oh,
we have Mariah Jade on the podcast, which props to
her for coming. She doesn't pull, you know, she doesn't

(07:07):
run and hide. There's a lot we see of her
her this kind of love affair, this love triangle thing
going on, as well as her politicking all that stuff.
So she's here with us on the podcast. You are
not gonna want to miss and get a pen and
paper so you can take notes, Grab a snack, get
comfy cozy, turn up the volume, and stay tuned for
an interview with the MIRIAJ Jay right after this.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
I am so excited about this interview. Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
This person has been the talk of our podcast, the
talk of the season, and the talk of the vents. Apparently,
ladies and gentlemen, I would like to give it up
for miss Mariah.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Thank you for coming to hang out with us.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Hey, I'm ready. I'm ready to spill the tears. I'm
sticking the best.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Somebody's sick of somebody because they are going down.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
I know, I know, I'm getting freaking ripped to shreds
from every angle. I'm like, dude, what the whatever? Thank God,
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, why don't you care? Because it looks like you care,
like we could.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
See during Oh, during filming, of course, I cared, are
you kidding me? Like, well, do I get into that
right now? Should I get into it?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah? Get into whatever, get into whatever.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
So during filming, Oh my god, I was beating myself
up about it. I was crying, like all the time.
I was calling my mom crying. I would, I would
stay up at night, Michelle would talk to me. I
felt so guilty. I felt so bad.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
What did you feel guilty about specifically, or like, what
were you upset about?

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Okay, So this there's a huge controversial thing. I see
lots of different comments and people, you know, staying their opinions.
I mean, I've seen, Devin, I've seen your opinion. I
saw a little clip that you said I could have
called I should have called him or told them. But
from my point of view, it's like, if I know,
first of all, I knew that if I called him,

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production would eat it up and that they would post
that and they would have that on the show. And
I respected Johnny enough to at least not have that
intimate private moment of me upsetting him being on TV.
So I just really, I guess I was naive to
think that he wouldn't find out and I could tell
him myself, but obviously other people told him.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Did you ever think that other people would tell like
given because we also heard from guests that have been
on the podcast that it wasn't even just you connecting
feeling like you had a connection with James and like
vibing on that, but that there were even like there
was like a song in the house or something making
fun of bananas. So where did that?

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I was not a part of that. They tried all,
you know, anyone who's saying every single person on that
cast sang that song. Every single person besides I think Michelle,
everyone else gave in once and they sang that song.
I never sang that song.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Who started it?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I'm pretty sure James or Jay one of them. One
of them did start it. And you know, it got
to a point like when they would say it, I
would get really pissed off because you know, it's already
one thing that I'm hurting someone's feelings, and then on
top of that, everyone else is making a joke out
of it when I'm genuinely feeling upset about it. But
you know, in that house, I felt, you know, although

(10:22):
we were not boyfriend and girlfriend, okay, but for my
own morals, and like how I am even if I
am talking to someone, we were talking to each other
on a very deep level. So that was wrong with me.
I messed up. That was wrong with me, Like, there's
no excuse for how I was. It was wrong for
my own personal morals. But what were we doing? You know?
And you know now, you know, months ahead passed by

(10:46):
and I see, I see the show he's on now,
and how he lied to me about that show because
when he went on that show, we were talking and
we got in a disagreement the night before he went
to film that show, and he just didn't talk to me.
He just literally left for that show, did not talk
to me the whole damn filming. And then I was like,

(11:07):
all right, screw you, right, And then he sent me
flowers during filming, sent me flowers, and that confused me.
And then we talked after and he told me, you know,
I won't get into all the details, but he told
me there was a girl there on there and that
he just did it first storyline because she had no
type of storyline without him, and a whole bunch of
really mean things he said, and.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Parts of those are true, though I've watched the show continue.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
But the fact is, like, if you're woman, a woman
like this is before I did anything. If you see
the guy that you're with on a show like sucking
girls toes, kissing them with pasta, flirting, you wouldn't like that.
And that's a that's a that's a real thing, that's
not a reality TV thing, and it's a thing of respect.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
So is that before or after you posted the I'm
because I think Day was the one who saw it
initially that you posted a picture saying I'm yeah, go ahead, Day, and.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I think you were wearing a buy the So I'm
not sure, but you posted and you was that you
were single?

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Oh oh yeah, that's during that time. I mean I've
always I've always been single. But at that time I
was done talking to Johnny because he didn't know that though,
because he was filming, he didn't have his phone, he
didn't have his phone nothing. I was done because how
could you leave for how could you leave for a
show and not talk to me?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
So could it be true that then? Because I hear
you on that, so then could it be true though?
That then? Because he did find out about that post
in the house. So could it be true then that
his whatever nonsense on how civillains came after or after
seeing that post and you sort of announcing.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I filmed that later on in filming. And from the
initial start. I remember, I didn't watch a show, but
I see tweets because my timeline is like that, and
it's it was a tweet of him saying right off
the bat that he's like, oh, I fell in love twice,
So right from the get go he was ready to
pursue that type of thing, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like he so was it in retaliation from your post?

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I didn't post that at that time.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
So you're saying you made the post post while he
was away filming.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Yes, but I didn't post that right when he went there,
and right when he started filming. That was during filming.
That wasn't the beginning of filming, so he already had
this initial thought. And then on top of it, if
you know that and you feel that, why would you
send me flowers? And then when I come back, why
would you lie to me and tell me nothing happened
and that I wouldn't huh.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
I think we want to know what made you post
on single. What made you post that?

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Because how dare him? Like, go on this show, we argue,
and then you go on the show and you just
don't talk to me, like you say nothing to me.
You just go. Imagine Imagine you or your boyfriend leaves
for a show and he says nothing to He just leaves.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Wait, so you guys were boyfriend and girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
You weren't giving you guys a scenario. We were not
boyfriend and girlfriend. And you know what, he will say
the same thing now because before he was telling people
that I was his literal girlfriend, and then he changed
it to we're just casual. I'm giving you guys a scenario.
I was never He never said, Mariah, will you be
my girlfriend? Ever? Right? And he knows that. He even
got upset at me one time because someone asked if

(14:06):
we were dating, and I said dating meants boyfriend and girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So no, I just wanted to get clarity that before
Johnny went on the show, he cut you off.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
He didn't got you. Yeah, he got upset. He got upset,
and he just didn't talk to me. He just didn't
talk to me. And then he confused me because then
he sent me flowers, right, and.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Then hours before or after your post after Oh see, okay,
that makes sense, Okay, And.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, so he sent me those flowers and then he
told me he was thinking about me the whole time
in there and nothing happened, and when it goes back,
I'm not going to be upset about anything. And he
did absolutely nothing. Didn't kiss anyone, didn't do anything, didn't
flirt like he just he just made it sound like
you know, so I listen, what I did was not

(14:58):
right for my own self, Okay, But what I'm saying
is like I don't understand how I'm getting so much
like attacking when his thing filmed before me, and at
least I cried and felt bad about it, Like at
least I felt really bad about it, although they don't
show it. If you ask anyone on the cast who
was there, they're like, Maria, you got to get over this, dude.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Like no, they do show you feeling bad about it,
like they definitely, which is part of the reason why
I had the perspective that I had, is that you
clearly have a con Like you clearly cared, yeah, and
you weren't like, oh screw it or whatever, right, so
like they show you know, like cared.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean I still care. I listen, I don't
care about the what people are saying is what I mean.
But I still do care because I really do, like
whatever whatever's happening, because you know, now he's his ego
is hurt. He's hurt, and now he's doing things and
acting out in a way, you know, talking about me.
Although you don't do it online, you still do it.
People tell me, like I hear all the things you say,

(15:51):
and regardless of any of that, like, I really hope
that one day, like Johnny could just be my friend,
you know, Like, did.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
You guys ever talk about it outside? Okay, so wait
before we get to that piece, and then we'll talk
more about the game because a lot happens this episode,
but did so after he gets out of House of Villains,
you guys start spending time together again, and correct me
if I'm wrong, right, you guys start spending time together again.
You I think they even show earlier in the season
you mentioned you guys were hanging out days before you

(16:19):
flew out for the show. Two questions, did you know
about mercenaries potentially coming? Like had you guys had you know?
Like had he dropped out any inca.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
No, he didn't tell me anything. Actually, I facetimed my
mom and I because I was, you know, I was
beating myself up. I was like, Mom, I feel really bad,
and she goes, oh, my gosh, your sister was just
playing Fortnite. He was playing Fortnite with my sister and
my cousin. And I told my mom. I was like,
we'll tell them not to play with them anymore because
I feel so bad, and you know, I want to

(16:49):
tell him myself. And at this point, I didn't know
if he knew, you know, until I got my phone
back and I got a whole bunch of different messages,
you know.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
And so when you guys, so you guys are like
hang out, you're in the house instead of that, have
you spoken to him since?

Speaker 4 (17:02):
No, he hates me. He hates me, and you know,
I do feel bad. I feel bad as as far
as like I'm I'm not hurt, because I already had.
I was already questioning because of you know, personal things
that have happened that I don't have. You know, I
don't want to share in here, but I already had.
I already had doubts about things sometimes, you know, but

(17:24):
then I would like be like, Maria, you're wrong, like
don't feel like that, and I would push that back
and I'd be like it's fine.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Because this was a long off and on thing with
you guys, right like we saw you guys in Ride
or Die. This is what over a year of like
this kind of off and on yes, up and down.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yes. And I was very private about that, and so
is he, but you know it kind of like it
hurts my feelings coming from him, for you know, I
saw he tweeted to Wes about saying like, oh, people
are using my name for Klau and it's like it's
like Johnny, like every time that me and you were together,
I would post and you would purposely post to make
sure people knew I was with you. I never did that.

(18:01):
He took it. He I posted a picture on my
bikini and he put my bikini and it took the
picture like I'm not one thing. I'm not. I'm not
a cloud chaser. And he knows that I don't need
cloud from anyone because reality TV is not my world.
And like all I hear about is like being healthy,
being fit, like having a good family, like I don't.
I don't need the TV things I post. I'm not

(18:22):
even a good influencer. I post stuff. I'm like, damn,
I should make videos like these other people, but I'm
freaking lazy.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
So let's just say that there was a possibility that
Johnny Wirt to hear this podcast, right, You guys haven't spoken, like,
no communication whatsoever. Is there anything you would want to
say to him, even via podcast?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Just that I'm sorry for hurting his feelings. You know,
I really am sorry, and I wish I did it
a different way, and it was, you know, between I was,
I was I liked James in the House and I
felt really guilty about that. Just that I'm sorry, but
also like how could you be so hard on me
when you did these things to me too? So it's like,

(19:04):
you know, like you you're purposely making it hard on
me and you're just focusing on yourself, and like, what
about me? I think I still thought about his feelings,
but I just feel like he never really thought about mine.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
How do you feel about James now? But you mentioned
I really like James in the house. Are you guys
still together or like, because obviously we don't know what happens.
You guys are both still in the house, so don't
get don't you know, But in real life, are you
guys still a thing? Did you go visit hit? Like,
what's what's going on with so?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Me and James we literally talk like almost every day.
We talk on the phone for like a few hours.
We catch up. But in reality he lives bro he
lives in London and so far and like, yes, he'll
come here and he'll hang out, but it's really hard
to you can't make anything progress when you live so far.
It's it's just too long of a flight. But do

(19:53):
I really care for James and I like think he's
a great guy. Yeah, and no, me and me and.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Him are good. Did you guys even try it all
outside of the house, because obviously it seems like you
guys have chemistry and we see you in this episode
ride so hard for him at taking which we're gonna
get to. So did you at least kind of give
it a chance or was it in the house sort
of discussed that Hey, we're not gonna kind of go beyond.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
So kind of in the house we're like, we'll see
what happens after this, and he's like, well, it's just
a flight away. But I kind of knew, like you could.
You know, you know, when when you're in a house,
you know if things are gonna work or they're not
gonna work. I knew they were not gonna work. And
I feel like maybe he knew that too. But we
if we listen, if we lived in the same state,
like he would be like my freaking bff, we would

(20:36):
be hanging out all the time, doing everything. But it just,
you know, distance really does take a toll on things.
And I think he's kind of like me. I don't
really care to like, I don't need to be with
anyone that bad like I, So it's just too much.
It's too much effort for me, and I think it's
too much effort for him too.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
You said, bff, girl, not your man.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Listen, I really care, you know. I take the he
was very like slow in the house. They might have
been a little rapid, but bro, he's.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, girl, definitely a little rapid.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
On the show, he's like a big teddy bear, Like
they don't even show how cute he actually is and
how funny. No one saw the humor. I was like
in the beginning, I tried not laughing at his jokes.
I wouldn't look at him. He'd be like, come over here.
I would pretend I didn't hear, like I tried.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, you when you got on the pod you said,
or like when we were first kind of like getting started,
you were like, oh, I have so much juice, which
I take to mean tea of stuff that didn't air
in like behind the scenes stuff. What can you share
with us? Like, yeah, what what are the things that
we didn't know or didn't get to see?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Okay, so I put notes down, Okay, so okay, so
oh I didn't put them in order to look okay,
So okay. The first thing, the first thing we see
is Colleen saying that I'm her number one target, right,
And that's just funny because bro, I never said I'm
working with you, like, and every time she talks about
me and my alliance, I think that it's really hard

(21:58):
to highlight everyone's alliance. But to be completely honest with you, guys,
the only people that I had an allegiance to was Michelle, Nourice,
Olivia and at this at this moment, too Raven, Right,
that's the only that's the only people that I was like, okay,
like I made a promise, you know, we all talked
on the phone. I said, hey, I promise you guys

(22:19):
like you know, like we're together, right and as far
as the guys bro the guys could stay. They were
with me, but we did not talk in the house.
And everyone thought I was sketchy because I hung out
with James and Zara all day. I don't out with
them because they're funny as hell. They're fun, they're a
good time, it's lighthearted. I'm sorry. But the people that
I was aligned with at the moment, like when I

(22:39):
would hang out with them, I was bored. I was like, alright,
I'm gonna leave, you know, and like yeah, and Zara.
I even told Dara, like for Colleen to say, I'm
working with Zara. I told Dara, I said listen. I
was very honest with her, and she could like say
the same thing. I already made my promises, so it
was already stressing me out. So I told her, I said,
I won't say your name, you know, like until like
I have to. I really don't want to say your name.

(23:01):
I had I had. I wanted to put in Berna,
I wanted to put in Colleen. I never listen when
putting in Melissa and Big Tea. That was hard for
me because we were in the same room and anytime
because I would pull, I would pull Michelle aside. And
I told Michelle, I said, Michelle, I really don't think
that we should put them in because like they're not
gunning for us, and you have too many connections in

(23:23):
this game, so I think that it would just be
smart to keep them in the game. And you don't
have your like you don't have your fans dirty because
you have too many people relying on you and kind
of putting their putting their stress onto her. And you know,
Michelle's very like you know, Michelle has a really big heart,
so it stressed her out, Like any any move we
made would stress her out because she's like, I'm gonna

(23:43):
hurt this person's feeling. And that's why I told her,
I said, how many people can we be aligned with?
You know? I think she kind of like even with
like Colleen, like Michelle, you know, Michelle didn't want to
be aligned with Colleen. She was because of Jay and
she she her alliances became what Jay's alliances and everyone
got sucked into one big thing. And that was the
point where I was like bro why why do I
have to like, if I don't listen to this, then

(24:05):
I'm gonna I'm sketchy. But it was honest, honestly, it
was too big of an alliance.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yes, what were your feelings about Michelle because we see
her repeating this sort of we see it in a
couple episodes, but certainly in this one where she feels
like in some of the other girls in the alliance
you just mentioned, like Nourice Olivia, feel like James maybe
pulling you down, like sort of shifting your focus or
that you're no you were working hard to Yeah, how
do you feel about watching that?

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Well? These listen these girls know, like, how how am
I working against the alliance? If I'm if I'm promising
the people that I made promise to, I'm not. I'm
not crossing them. I'm not crossing the girls. Just because
they have their own separate alliances doesn't mean that I
have to fall in line with that. And it became
hard because you felt like if you didn't fall in line,
everyone was going to attack you. But like their alliances,

(24:52):
how cook, I didn't like that because my alliance didn't
work with their alliance, Like it was a problem. But
you know, like when people are like, oh, like one
time Jay came up to me, He's like you would say,
like saying he was a problem. He's like, you would
say James name over over me, And I was like, yeah,
I would, you would say Michelle over me? What are
you talking about? Like there's this big bab But how

(25:14):
come when I I only at that point.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
In the game double standard?

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's because I knew, bro, I knew I
was lower on this pecking list of almost everyone besides
like Michelle. You know, I just I'm pretty sure that
you know, last episode, people in my alliance wanted to
throw me in, some of the girls that I made
promises to, And at that moment in time, I was like,
I really like, why am I I'm I'm fighting. I

(25:39):
was baddling my my promise and my heart because I
didn't want to work with the people that I was
working with. But I was eating myself up so much
about my about my word that I was like badling, like, Okay,
do I keep my word or do I know what's like?
Do what's best for my heart? Because for my heart,
the only people at that time that I wanted to
protect was was Michelle and James like that was it

(26:03):
everyone else. I knew at one point they would say.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
My name, who do you think Michelle's We know that
Jay's her number one guy obviously, but who's her number
one girl amongst this alliance?

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Me like we I honestly, I am pretty sure because listen,
me and me and Michelle had this talk before she
came on the season. I knew she was coming on
the season before a lot of people. Actually, some people
got upset that she didn't tell her and like, I
know she had a lot of people to make promises
to you. I know she's really close to Olivia. I

(26:34):
know she's really close to Nourice. But we had an
agreement Olivia and Nourice for each other's number ones, and
they would save each other over us. And I said
the same thing about Michelle. She said the same thing
about me.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Okay, so you tried to like divide it up equally
sort of in a way where yeah, and each one
of you is protecting one of them. Yeahs a number one.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
They're not showing me how close me and Michelle were
because we talked outside of the show like almost every day,
like even now, we still talk single day.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, but what they see what she's friends with a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
That's what I'm saying, yea, what they are showing though,
it seemed like Michelle's number one girl is Michelle.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's what I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Even in the conversation that she's having with you, where
she looks like on the outside, it looks like a
friend is having a conversation, Oh, this man is dragging
down your game.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
This man, this man, this man.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
But to me, somebody who is a gamer who has
played the game and played Big Brother, it seems to
me like she's saying, this man is getting in the
way of you doing what I need you to do
in this game.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
That no that I mean, I have this conversation with her.
I did feel that. I did tell her. I said,
you know, I said, it really upset me because you know,
they don't show our conversations after. But I told her,
I said, you know, like, I feel like everyone wants
me to do what's best for them, but the moment
that I want to do what's best for me, it's
a problem. And you know a lot of people tried

(27:50):
making it look like, oh, Mariah likes James, that's why
she wanted to protect him. It was not even about feelings.
It's just he was truly the only person. The one
thing that I admire about James's he never he always
said what what he actually felt. And you know the
reason why I was so upset that everyone was so
comfortable saying James's name was because literally James would do

(28:10):
everything the Alliance, would want everything. If he would tell people,
if Mariah says it, I'm going to do the same
thing whatever I did, James did too. James was one
hundred percent anything like even you saw the episodes with
Melissa going up to him and saying, let's vote Raven.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
There is never anything that I didn't know about. Like,
James is very, very loyal.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
To me in this game, and so you feel like
he would ride for you as hard politically because we
saw you ride for him yeah this episode. So you
feel like if the roles were reversed, you were up
for nomination or whatever, that he'd go as hard to
people in the house, putting himself in sort of the
line of fire to try and protect you.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
I'm gonna be honest, I would not want him to
because he is the worst politicer ever, he gets mad
and he'll start saying, I don't get a book, put
me in, I'll beat all of yous, That's what he'll say.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Like He'll be like it will be all.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Abuse, and I'll be like no, like I don't. Honestly,
I would not want him to because he was at
the bottom of everyone's list already. Like yeah. It got
to the point where I was like, oh my god,
Like basically, what's happening now is I'm having James doing
everything I want to do, and now I'm feeling bad
because I'm feeling like we're doing nothing. Maybe he wants
to do, you know. So it became instead of becoming

(29:25):
a thing where me and him were like, Okay, maybe
we need to reassess our plans, because at this moment,
really I had, you know, I had people. The girls
were listen, the girls were saying things about me, but
not saying it to my face. This is why another
reason why I was so upset. I had a conversation
with Olivia before this challenge, and she told me we
need to throw in Kylin in ed like they're not

(29:46):
doing anything. They're strong players. We need to throw them out.
Like she kept putting in my head that we're gonna,
we're gonna, you know, we should get out Kylin, we
should throw up Ed. And she kept making ideas and
when it follow through, So, you know, going into this challenge,
like if it was a knowing the teams that we had,
if it was a guy's day, I knew I was
going to say Kyland because in my head it's like

(30:06):
her and her and Kyland are good friends outside of this, right,
so if I do, if I say Kyland, it will
be no problem for her to say Ed, is what
I was saying, because she was She's talking about Ed saying,
you know, like he's not doing anything, he's boring, like
let's get him out of the game. And then when
push comes the shove, like she doesn't do it, and
that upset me. And then also Jay Jay was upsetting

(30:28):
me and a man. Well before this challenge, we had
this whole thing where we heard that Hirasio is going
to throw the challenge in case we said Kylin, and
so we were all arguing, like do we put Hirasio
on the ball so that he can't bath try. We
were we had this Me and Jay were doing this
secret like like talk and then you know, we couldn't
put everyone in it because a lot of people like.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Who gave you the tip off that Hirasio might throw
the challenge? Like where did that rumor from?

Speaker 4 (30:52):
I think that a man well or Jay saw him
and Kylin whisper in the corner and heard something or something.
So there was something happening, right, and so it was
really only it was only me me. I think maybe
Zara knew and and a Manuel and Jay. So while
we're having the secret meeting, I bricked Colleen Raven. I
want to do this. I want to do this. And

(31:13):
at this point I couldn't tell Raven because Raven always
accidentally tells information. She always bro I was just with
it the other day and I told her, I said,
one thing about you is you're very unseerious like I.
It's very hard to tell her anything because she somehow
ruins the plans or she tells, Yeah, she tells, and
then I have to like have her back and be like, no,

(31:35):
she didn't mean it, she didn't mean it.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
That is so funny. Does she acknowledge them that it's
she accidentally?

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Like can't She's like yeah, my bad, because I'm like, yeah,
my bro. The first episode, She's like, I'm gonna stick
to my line.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Oh we saw that, right, we saw that. We couldn't
tell at first if it was like no messiness or
just like a like accidental.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
We were telling everyone in the house, we're all cool, gaya,
you know, So when she said a line, people are
like alliance. I was like, I don't know what she's
talking about. So yeah, so we had this whole conversation
what we're going to do, right. So then when it
comes down to saying our votes, I noticed Jane and
a man while are quiet and kind of saying like, oh,
I'll say this. They're waiting for the girls to say it,

(32:18):
and that annoyed me, so I kept I kept telling Jay.
I'm like, Jay, say what you want, say what you
want to do. Come on, come on, like you're saying
you want to do this, you want to do this,
let's do it, like let's just because I was sick.
I was sick of the game being one big team,
so I wanted there. I wanted there to be a divide,
like even the episode, you know, episode nine, for him
to throw the challenge, like him with the sneaks, the

(32:40):
first one, him jogging. I was sprinting in my life,
trying to catch up, and it didn't matter because he
didn't want to win. And like he was telling me
he wanted to win, you know, he wanted to throw
in Ross. I want to throw in Kylin. I wanted
to do the same thing, but I felt like he
wanted someone else to do it, and I just I
wanted there to be a divide and I wanted his
I wanted people to know where he was at two. Yeah,

(33:02):
time already looking at me. People were already looking at
me shady. So I'm like, hello, like, I'm not like,
I'm not cheaty, I'm riding with who I'm riding with.
But you guys are writing with too many people right, right,
like everyone right.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And the numbers have gotten down so far now that
you're gonna have to start splitting things up. Like you
literally can't take everyone with you to the end, so
you're gonna have to start spitting things up. Something that's
interesting that you you know, was mentioned multiple times in
this episode is that Corey has managed to get people's
trust back in the house hints why his name was

(33:37):
please Mariah explain to us, having been in the house,
how he managed to do a one eighty from the
disastrous politicking that he's been doing in episodes, probably like,
how does anyone in the house suddenly start to trust him?

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Honestly, I don't think. I don't think, because even at
this time, you know, me and him, Me and him
ended up being fun, right, But even at this time,
I felt and a lot of people, even though they
said they trust him, trusted him, they didn't really trust him.
I think just I think at that at the moment,
it all came down to it just came down to better,

(34:12):
like honestly, kind of because honestly because of Michelle, probably
because Michelle was very well connected she played Honestly, Michelle
did play a really good game because she was connected
to everyone, and like, yeah, you know, and I know
it's hard for her to be in that position because
you know, when you're in that type of position, you
get so many people saying their opinions and they're not
all great. But she she definitely had a huge, huge

(34:36):
influence in the house. So I think that, you know,
when she pulled people aside and said no, like we
could trust Corey, I think that that's what made it
a thing. But that's the same thing with ed. I
feel like maybe, you know, like maybe if Michelle, if
Michelle went to James, or if Michelle chose ED, everyone
else would say ed.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Too, you know, right, which is another good point too.
In deliberation, we noticed that Olivia, especially not long after,
we saw a scene where you and Olivia are talking,
right and or she she does a talking head talking
about kind of her concerns around James, but she's close
to you, all that stuff, and then we see in
nomination her sort of lead the nominations and say James's name.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
It just it really bothered me because she was preaching
ED at ED, so I thought it was going to
be ed ed ed and when it came down to it,
you know, and her saying no one was making moves.
She just she's you know, she said James, and you know,
the the night in the club before that, she told
me that she wants to put James in her numbers,
Like she said, I want to take someone out and

(35:38):
put James blah blah blah. So I felt like it
was good, like I felt like James had a chance
and he didn't. And it just really bothered me because
James was doing everything that the Alliance wanted like everything,
and they treated him like, oh, like you know, you're
not useful anymore, thank you. And you know, it sucks
because a lot of people actually were in that position
and they didn't even realize it. Like and she was

(36:00):
in that position. She didn't like for her Mariah this
alliance like I'm sorry, but all of those girls were like,
what are you talking about? Alliance? Do you know what
I mean? Like, if yeah, it's a different team one,
it would have been Colleen and Bernhard, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, yeah, right, so yeah, all right, look we have
to take a quick break, but we will be right
back after this.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I know you guys have been waiting and I've been
waiting too, so let's go ahead and get back to
the show.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
We see you say to James when James kind of
takes the approach that he's not gonna politic, right, he's like,
I don't believe in politicking. They both me ben f
you and you're like no, and we see you politic
and you sort of say like, I think you know
if your nominaated or your name is up for nomination,
and you don't say anything. It seems like you don't
care I think he should say anything. I'm curious your

(36:55):
thoughts about that now, given that what we've seen this
season is that this house is full of some interesting
characters but also some disastrous politickers, particularly when it comes
to their name being up for nomination. Like we've seen
the speeches that Chauncey's given, we've seen the speeches Cory's given,
we've seen the speeches the games would listen big t
you play like awful, and then there was that girl

(37:17):
from episode one name but that was also terrible. So
so do you really still feel like I see you
give a valiant effort here, but it didn't help James. Yeah,
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Fuck your opinion? Like, we're gonna do what we want
to do. And that's how I felt like people when
I talked to them, That's how they That's where everyone's
head was at. But I'm glad now that James didn't
politic one because he's actually not that good at politicking.
He actually would get all wild up and just say
he's gonna beat everyone, and I actually hate that for him.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And then is that why people didn't like, didn't warm
to him. Do you think as much as you did.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know a lot of people liked James was the
jokes are in the house, Like people would be like, oh,
I love you, but like you know, like they would
he just needed someone. They already made all their promises.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So they was just you know, on the escapegoat.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Yeah, yes, he was everyone's scapegoat. Like and it came
to the point where I was like, bro, like, stop
like stopping nice to them because you know they're being
nice and then they're going to do this, and I
keep you know, me, James and I we keep giving
everyone a chance, like we're gonna be like, Okay, this
time will be different. And honestly, that's a huge regret
in my mind too, is just hoping that you know,
if I show like, hey, I am keeping my word

(38:21):
with the people I'm keeping my word with, maybe they'll
do the same. I feel like that just didn't end
up happening. Like I feel like everyone did not care
what I wanted because it wasn't. It's just crazy that
people are like Maria's playing your own game, but like
they're playing their own game by not doing what I
want to do, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right of course?

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, So it was it was just it was a lot.
I wish I did a lot in the house differently
a lot, you know.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, because from the outside looking in, like I said earlier,
it appears that this alliance that was created, and the
branches of the alliance that is created, all of this
is to help push forth Michelle and Jay's game.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Uh, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's all of you working as a machine, not even
realizing it. I think it's starting to click for you,
but working as a machine to do their dirty work
and push them to the final.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
That's exactly it's.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Giving Mafia vibe a godfather.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
So I definitely, I definitely agree with with j I
think Ja will do whatever takes to make a final.
And then as far as as far as Michelle, I
feel like Michelle always had the three girls that she
I know that I know that Michelle will never say
my name, should never say Olivia's name, and she wouldn't
say Narese's name that I knew.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But what would happen if, like, Okay, so you know
how you talked about being on a big team a
second ago, right, what would happen if you guys were
on big, a big team before and Michelle was on
one side the three of you are on the other
side Michelle team one, and she's got to say a
girl's name because now what happens, she can't not say
all three.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I think that she Yeah, I mean at that point,
you got to save yourself. Like I think that Michelle
like say, those were the teams, right, Yeah, I think
I think that Michelle would say Nourice. I think that
I would say Olivia.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I think Olivia would say me, and I think that
Nurie interesting.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I think Nurie would end up saying Michelle. And then
I think that the guys. I think it'd be scary
because it would be down to the guys, and then
it probably for sure would be me because I was
not like I don't want to suck anyone's ass like
I I. We didn't talk game like you know, when
when the house almost flipped on me, that was when
that was a secret blessing because then some of the

(40:30):
guys started talking to me, and that's that's when I
felt a little bit safer with some guys. But you know,
I still didn't have that like they were gonna ride
for me. You know, I only felt like Michelle would
do that for me, and I only felt like James
would do that for me.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I just do you feel like burna started to become
because we see Berna and I just when I was thinking, like,
look how far burn has come, because when we had
her on earlier in the season in the podcast, and
she was really struggling getting along with people, and then
the last few episodes it seems like she's you know,
found her way, things gotten better, and now we see
her again arguing and all of that stuff. Do you

(41:06):
feel like she's starting to make herself a target in
the house and helping kind of keep the heat off
of you despite this whole like them voting James thing
and all that stuff, or what are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
No, Berna is the only person in Challenge history that
could like fight with so many people and like not
get voted in, like like me, you know, me and
Berna at this and in this moment in the game,
me and Berna, like we would pick her because she
would just fight with me, Like she would fight with
me over hangman on the back.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I think it's her love language.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Yeah, she would just fight with me, like about songs,
anything she could fight with me about, you know. So
at this point, I was like, bro, come on, like
me and me and me and Berna were in like
a sure little war. Like I had my target. So
that's what I'm saying. But you know, no one wanted to.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
I don't know, I just I guess I had my
no one or something. Yeah, I mean it's impressive because
it's earlier in this season that was gone right and
now yes, and she's managed to like make it halfway through.
It's so I mean, but obviously when talking to her
on the podcast, she is very likable, Like I mean, yeah,
I think she's she's great and wonderful. But it's just

(42:14):
funny seeing how she can like pop off at people
so much and yet and not be a part of
this sort of you know, super alliance at least or
you know what I mean, like be at the top
of the super alliance that you know, it was.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Hard for Berna because everyone's different, right, So like me,
like I was close to Michelle, but I don't give
a shit who Michelle's talking to. Like I'm the friend
that you don't have to talk to at all. I
know we're you know, but yeah, are different. So she's
the friend, like she wants that attention. She feels like
she you know, she needs the attention, you know, like
everyone's different.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, she's a little territorial.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Yeah. And Michelle was really really like they don't show
how much she was, but Michelle was very much fighting
for Berna. Because there was a lot of times where
I would tell Michelle. I'd be like Michelle, like I'm
trying to be nice for you, Obama snapper, or I'm
gonna like I'm gonna put her in, and she'd be like, well,
like trust me, like like she's just feeling like this,
like this isn't how she normally is, you know. So
she was she was rocking with Berna, like she was trying.

(43:11):
It just was hard because no people sometimes Naris was
on my side about Berna, but then we'd have Olivia
who wouldn't be or everyone was so everyone was so
like I want to do this, then I want to
do this. No one was ever solid on anything, like
people would just change the plans according to whatever it was. Me.
I feel like I was always solid with who I
wanted out first, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Regarding being solid or change of plans. Who are you
most shocked by in this nomination that voted for James
was it Nourice, Olivia Michelle like, who shocked you the
most in their declaration to pick James?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I wasn't actually that shocked with Nourice because she told me,
she said, hey, Mariah, like, the numbers aren't going to
go towards ED, so I can't make a target for myself.
And I told her, you know, I was like, yeah,
I understand. I appreciated that she even said that. Yeah,
but it kind of also give me the grace to
It gave me the grace to be like, okay, cool,
well now I could still say Harasia like I wanted to,
you know. And also the whole reason why I had

(44:06):
because at first I was thinking of everyone's number ones, right,
but no one was thinking of my number one. And
the only reason why I was willing to say Harasio
was because Olivia would always tell me that I could
say Hirasio. She told several people.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, why wait wait
hold on, roll it back, sorry, So Olivia would tell you, yeah,
kind of behind the scenes, that it was cool if
you said Harazio.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
She said she didn't want to run a final with him,
and that it was okay, like that she can't be
the one to do it right, So she would tell
me this, is.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
That because she thought he was competition or is it
because there was some brewing? Okay, because hints. Yeah, we're
starting to get hints already from both like teasers. Also
we had Nouris on the pod. Also from what we've
seen in episodes that there is some also I think
what they stopped following each other or something on social
media that there's like this thing brewing and we couldn't

(44:54):
understand where or how this starts to come. And so Olivia,
it's seems like is behind the scenes sort of undermining
or wanting to get rid of Hirasio.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
Is that, Yeah, there's some people are really really good
at twisting things or doing things off camera. And definitely
one I could have so many people actually, probably almost
the whole house can vouch for me. She wanted me
to get her through house, like she wanted.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
To you specifically, she wanted you to be the one
that she.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Like, anyone she would just like plant in people's heads,
you know, like.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
And Noreise didn't pick up on this at the time,
or because you guys all seemed like friends, so like
that's why.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Arice didn't know. And at this moment, you know, I
I wasn't really talking to Livy in the house. I
wasn't really talking to Arice in the house. I talked
to Michelle because she laid next to me, but I
really was with James and Zara like I was chilling,
like I didn't. I didn't speak game until I had
you because I kind of knew what I wanted to do,
and it was it was a matter of seeing what
was going to happen and then working towards whatever. But

(45:57):
I started realizing I don't get a ship what I said,
but I feel in the long run, I ended up
being right, and I'm so glad. But I would doubt
my intuition about people about things.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
What were you right about?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Like?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
What were some of the things that your intuition was
telling you that you feel like have been validated or confirmed?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
My Okay? So it's one one thing for sure is
it's hard for me to tell if I like someone
or I don't like someone, or if I'm being mean.
I'm not being mean. And one thing that I didn't like, uh,
I know it, I feel even mean saying it, but
I didn't like Helen like I didn't. I felt like
there was something off about her and I felt like

(46:34):
I just got a bad feeling from her and that
rarely happens for me. And I feel like, you know,
from certain things that people told me after the show,
and like how how she is, I was right, so
that was also my intuition. I felt like I feel
like I should have trusted my heart and not my word.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Way in what in what way? And like in terms
of voting someone, and you feel like you should have
trusted your heart, and like I shaved someone.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Or I wish that I didn't. I've sometimes I wish
that I didn't work with who I worked with, you know,
and I wish that I stuck to my guns about
things because for me, it was hard because it was
a tight line for me because I was not in
a good position because if I said anything, if I
said anything, it was a reason for someone to throw
me in, Like people didn't trust me because I hung

(47:18):
out with the UK people from the start, and.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Like it was.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Hard because even okay, even in deliberation when everyone said
James's name, do you know how bad I wanted to
be like, Wow, guys, I wanted to blow up everything.
I wanted to be like, hey, you said this, you
said you were going to do this. I'm confused, But
I didn't do it because I knew. I know that
in the long run, that wasn't smart for me, because I.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Want we're so glad you didn't blow up your game
over that, So glad you didn't.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Like I want to be far. So there's there's a time,
you know, yeah, totally, And it just it was hard,
Like there's just a lot of things, a lot of
people that I realized, like I shouldn't even be friends
with people who have secret animosity towards me. I feel
like there's just a lot that I'm like, wow, I
you know, watching it back and also hearing things after

(48:03):
season and finding the truth about things, it really gets
you mad. It's so hard. People don't understand that when
you're in the game, you're not seeing the whole picture.
So when you do you see the whole picture, you're like,
oh my god, I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, those talking head interviews and secret
alliances tell a lot, like painting a big piece of
the story. We see you in your talking head mention
and not to like go back to this, but we're
now in kind of in the elimination phase, and we
wouldn't be honest if we didn't bring it up. We
see you mention going because now you know mercenaries are coming. Obviously,

(48:35):
Johnny is one of the great We see you mention like,
oh god, I don't know if it's going to be
Bananas or who's going to be the one coming down here?
How worried were you really that bananas might be the
one coming?

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
My interlimination? And had you talked to anyone in the
house about your concern?

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Oh my god. Everyone in the house was bring it
up to me. I was trying to move past it
because I finally was in a spot where I was like, Okay,
it's like I'm not gonna think about it anymore. It's done,
Like the damage is done. This is why I feel now.
I just got to rock with how I feel in
any stand on it.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
So everyone would be like, are you worried it's going
to be Bananas? It's oh, it's going to be Banana's
Banana's first James. So it was getting James all rolled up.
It's getting me all rolled up.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
I actually what was James's response to it?

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Oh my god, well like, oh, it might be well,
first he you know, he would do his defense mechanism,
he'd be like I don't care. But then you know,
when it was me and him, he'd be like, he's like,
why does everyone want to put it as me and them?
Like fuck them? Like why don't you go like faceing?
You know, no one wants to go down there. So
I knew that if if Johnny came, I was really
stressed out because one it would like hurt me to

(49:34):
see him hurt and two like I know he wouldn't
be nice to me. He probably acts like I was dead.
But I didn't want to make it a thing. So
I literally had a note that I wrote, and it
was a it was an apology. No, it was like
a very long note, and I had it in my
pocket every elimination so that if it was if it
was him, I could give it to him because I
didn't want to make it a big moment, like I

(49:55):
just wanted to give it to him and him have
it him be able to read it by himself. I
know he probably wouldn't rip it treads, but at least
I tried. I'm just you know, I'm glad that he's Like,
I just feel like maybe I feel like maybe I
cared a lot, and like, looking at it now, I
feel like maybe he doesn't care as much as I
thought he did. Like he's definitely as a defense mechanism.

(50:15):
But I don't know if it's because he's hurt or
because he's embarrassed, you know, So I think I think.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
It's probably makes it both. I think he's definitely hurt,
and he looked as someone who's known him for a
long time and knows that he's toxic as hell. I
definitely think he really cared. And sure there's embarrassment in
there too, there's always that, but like, I think he
really cared. Even the way he treated you in the beginning,
not saying he's not toxic af but just it was

(50:41):
the fact that he was, like making you breakfast and
sending you notes in rid her eyes was very interesting
to watch, like very unique in that scenario, a different approach,
And so I do think he cared. Well, how did
it make you feel when you saw first we see
Tory bring it up, then we see Durrell bring it up.
What are you know? I can only imagine that caught

(51:02):
you off guard and was kind of like, you know,
what the hell, how were you feeling, Drell, Well.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
I was already listen. I was already on edge. I
was so stressed out about hurting someone's feelings. So when
Tory said it, I couldn't. It wasn't even what Tory
was saying. I was thinking about Johnny and how he
was feeling and it made me cry. I was like,
oh my god, I'm hurting someone. And then when Drell
said it, because I already have all these people are
doing this chant in the house, They're talking about it constantly,
they're making it a thing. So when that's happening, I

(51:27):
started becoming numb to it. So when Darrell said it,
I was like, Darrell, at that point, I was numb
to it. But then you know, Darrell says to me,
He's like, just kidding, he would have done it to
you too, like you know, so.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
That sounds like something.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Yeah, So Darrell said that to me, you know, after,
and I was like okay, because I was really beating
myself up, and I think that, you know, maybe Durell
could see that, so he you know, I think it's
just hard because when Durell says it to you, I'm like,
oh my god, because you know, they didn't show it,
but Katy even said something to me, Oh really Yeah,
Kasey was like, what's happening, Like, what's going on? What's
going on?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Wait? How did Casey? Because did Casey just notice you
guys were standing close together?

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Like all? Big T told Casey, Oh, she told the Yeah,
she was just telling her. Oh, you know, Big T
was getting pretty much like everyone wanted big T out,
so she was probably telling Casey like, oh my god,
they're trying to get me out. This is happening, rightse
blah blah blah blah, she asked me. And then when

(52:27):
Devin came, someone in the stand said something before before
like Devin had no clue, no clue, he had no clue.
But then there said something like oh, who's the people
in the house or something, and someone said something and
he's like, really, oh shit. So that's how Devin found out.
Everyone thinks it's because I said don't pick him, but.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
It wasn't because of that.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
So now at this point, you have all of these
vents making statements about you and Johnny and James, right,
they're all making SAMs. And then earlier in the interview,
you said you didn't want to say anything because you
didn't wanted to be a TV thing. You didn't want
it to be a moment. It is now a moment
at this point, you now know it's a moment. So
after after derail, you know what I'm saying, did you

(53:09):
get you know what?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Let me just make this phone call and get this
overweight since we already.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
No, no, no, because I just you know, I really
didn't want. I didn't want Johnny to think like I
just did. I didn't want I already felt like I
already did enough by hurting his feelings. I didn't want
to have that. First of all, I don't think he
would answer.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Were you a little afraid to were you a little
scared to face? No conversation?

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Now? One thing about me is if I do something
and I'm not proud of it, I'll admit it and
I'll say I'm sorry because what else can I do?
Like I was so sorry, you know, but I didn't
want it to be on TV, Like I just didn't
want that for him, Not because I mean because.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
You know, like so did you think the bets mentioning
it wasn't going to make air? Because we saw like
Tory whisper it under her breath, tea a little bit
right like where it seemed.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Yeah, I thought maybe they wouldn't put all of that in,
you know, And so when they did, I was like,
oh my god. But you know, I wanted I wanted
to tell him myself. I didn't want it to be
a TV thing. I didn't want to I feel like,
you know, even the chanting and stuff, I didn't like
that because that's mean.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Did you tell people in the house to shut the
f up when they were doing that chanting? Yes?

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, And there has even a time, like I told,
you know, I told James, I'm like, James, I don't.
I don't like when you do that, Like that's really
really disrespectful, and like, I don't I don't want him
like I didn't want Johnny to think because I wasn't
in this house talking shit about him at all. I
never talked shit about him, Like I don't like when
I don't like when people are done and they like

(54:34):
start being really mean about the person. I don't. I
don't like doing that, you know. So it was just
a lot of people were eating it up and they're like, oh,
it's gonna be something big and blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Oh, so they were trying to make it a moment
in the house. So now James is safe, right and
he didn't even have to compete how and he's coming
back in the house. What are your what are the
thoughts and feelings now? And do you guys have sort
of a game plan or like what is the strategy

(55:09):
in the next day.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
So so as soon as James's name is not picked,
I literally slapped my butt and all the girls and
I flick them off and they got kissed because I
was like scre guys, like you guys, you know, I
was still mad. So I looked at I looked at James.
And when they said it was a night challenge, I
swear to god, I was so pissed. They don't show
how mad I was because I'm really good at, like

(55:32):
I'm holding things in. I'm really good at holding things
in and waiting for the perfect moment to say something,
if I want to say anything. I'm someone who collects
all my things and whatever. When they said that it
was a night challenge, I was so peeled up. I
was like, I'm gonna win this next one, like me
and me and me and Michelle were in the room
and she's like, I need to win this one. I said,
I'm sorry, I'm winning this one. Like I'm winning, you

(55:54):
know because one thing about me is like I'm kind
of like unseerious, Like I don't this is kind of
bad to say, but like it's not that deep for me.
So like when I when someone does something to me,
it gives me a purpose, like it makes me like pissed,
like it makes me want to win otherwise, you know,
like I I you know, I'm pretty chill, like whatever

(56:15):
happens happens. But when you when I'm pissed off, like
I will do one hundred times better.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, it fires you up. And you see that like
motivation that you need to push through. Yeah. So you
so you are fired up going into this nighttime challenge
and crazy I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, before we get into that, I just want to
because I know this. You're a straight shooter and I'm
seeing that in this this episode. You don't mind saying
what you have to say and you don't mind talking
about things. So I want to thank you for being
vulnerable with us, and I want to thank you for
coming a lot of people run from Devin, and I
I'm not sure why.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Not just calling out callum again. A lot of.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
People run from this podcast, and honestly, I feel like
this is the best space. We can't always address the
trolls on social media, we can't always address everything all
the time, but I feel like this is a great
platform for you to come and finally use your voice
so people.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Can't tell your your story, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
So I thank you for not holding back on us
and coming and saying, hey, I know certain things Devin
didn't agree.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
With, but I still want to come and tell you guys.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
You didn't agree either. Don't even try it back up.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Ok, Yeah, let's call it what it was.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
The only thing I was when you was crying and
you was like, how does my makeup look?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I said, ma'am no, ma'am no, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Oh, yeah, well that was Listen. That was literally so
long of me crying that I was over it. I
was fucking numb, like I already cried all my tears.
I'm done. And I also felt like, what the hell,
why are you guys doing this to me? Because keep
in mind, we're not supposed to be filming back there,
so we're not filming back there, so I think this
is a moment for for me. Look look I walked

(57:59):
out of that stage showing like not trying to cry.
Right So when I got back there to film for
the for the drone shot, I thought, okay, like I
could cry and it's gonna be fine. Next thing, you know,
it's a huge selfie light on me, huge SELFI light.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
That's literally what makes good TV. How Like moments are literally.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
TV person So I like, I didn't know that they
were gonna whip out a big freaking light on me.
I was like, okay, I can like let it all out.
So after me crying and then putting that light on
me smartimes, I'm like, I need it looks like a
tough bitch, Like, let me fix myself, let me be
done crying. I'm numb to this. Like I feel ganged
up on. I feel like everyone. I feel like everyone
is you know, sticking up and you know, rightfully so

(58:38):
sticking up for Johnny. But like also, like, are you
guys even truly friends to be doing all this?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Like you don't even I mean, but can you understand
why just take a step back for a second, because
I also heard since you mentioned hearing a clip about
me saying I didn't agree with it, and I still
stand on that. I appreciate you sharing your side, and
I think in holding you to a higher regard and
seeing that you had a conscience the whole time, which
is something I always pointed out and like about you,
is like you aren't a cold hearted person. You clearly

(59:05):
like care about people, and so I think it's great.
I do think as a viewer, we see that you care,
right and like that's a good thing. That means you
have a heart, But it's how it went about it,
and like you know, ultimately he still got blindsided that part.
You know, I didn't agree with, but I heard that
there was a comment sort of made around Oh, because
we're friends with him or I'm friends with him or whatever,

(59:27):
that's why we're defending. Like again, Johnny's toxic. I tell
him that to his face, Like Johnny's toxic. But I
do think like the challenge and maybe with this being
your second season, you're starting to feel that or you
will that, like even the Vets who don't get along,
it is like a big dysfunctional family. So I think
that's part of that hole the vets, so many of

(59:48):
them having to say does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, I just feel like people don't know what they're
talking about, and like that's yeah, like people don't know
the ins and outs and they only know they only
know the parts that maybe Johnny told them right, And
I again want to say this I was not right,
Like I'm not saying I'm not saying like, oh I
did this because he did this because other people's actions
don't reflect mine, like I did that. I did that,

(01:00:12):
you know, and I take ownership for it. But people
people don't know anything, like for people to yeah, they
don't know anything. They don't know, they don't know what
me and Johnny have been through. They don't know what's
happened to me. They don't know anything. So when people
are talking and saying like, oh, Mariah did this to him, Okay,
what about me? Like you guys know nothing, and I
don't like I'm I'm a pretty Like I don't want

(01:00:33):
to do that, Like I don't want to do that, Johnny.
I don't want to make things. I don't want to
make things public, you know, honestly, soon, like I might
get sick of it, Like if I keep like if
there's people that keep continuing and like assuming, and you know,
if he keeps like if people keep telling me he
says things or whatever, then I'm gonna get a sick
of it and I'm just gonna like lay everything out
there because one thing about me is like I have

(01:00:54):
like I have no shame if I make a mistake,
because I'm human. I tell you I make a mistake, Like,
what are you gonna do now?

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Like I make a mistakes, you can own up to
your part of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I will not fight it. I will not say
like because I can only be better, Like I can't.
I can't fix things, you know, I can't go back
in time, but I could be better now. Yeah, but
I sorry, I start ranting Africa with the hell and
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
We were just acknowledging. We were appreciating you for being
for opening up, and we're just kind of like putting
a bow on the fact of you know, what you learned,
happy that you got a chance to tell your side
of it as well, and wanting to give you that
space and appreciate you coming and sharing your experience and
just owning up to it because like we're all human,
we all make mistakes and there's nothing worse than someone
who can't like own that. So props to you for

(01:01:39):
at least being able to say hey.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, because I you know, and I don't want
to seem like you know, I get I get defensive
sometimes I'm like, I don't care, but I do care
that I hurt someone. Yeah, you know, I just I
guess I get some I get sometimes mad because I
feel like for him personally, he knows like ins and
outs of me and him, So for him to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Hard that he wasn't perking either, so that you're not
the only villain.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Yeah, to be so hard on me hurts my feelings
because you know, at least I'm open and honest about it.
I just don't like that I'm getting attacked and he's
just you know, egging on it kind of without like,
you know, thinking about everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
It's an unhealthy way for him to air his hurt.
But I will say this and it doesn't make his
behavior better, But just you as a person, like obviously
you're a good person. He saw that for over a
year and I can tell you, Mariah, he did care
and still does like he did genuinely care about you.
That part wasn't fake, doesn't mean he wasn't toxic. I
don't know all the things that happening now, but I
can stand confidently he cared about you. So if there's

(01:02:40):
any it doesn't make the pain or whatever how he's
reacting better. But I do hope it you don't take
it as a oh he never cared about me. It
was all alive vibe like I hope you take away
with like, yeah, he's being an ass right now, but
it's actually because at least, well, no, he did care
about me having this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
I do feel like that now. At first I thought
maybe he didn't care, and I just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Like, you know, I do trust me here that I
was so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Upset and beating myself up for nothing like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Made me feel yeah, nobody he cared. And honestly, I
think that's why so many vets said something to you
as well, because I think anyone who did interact with
him or talk to him, I think got the sense
of like, oh shit, he actually cared, you know what
I mean? And I feel like this isn't something he brushes.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
And I feel like from the text, because he you know,
he's got me like a text first the first couple
ones were obviously nice during the house, and then it
turned yeah, yeah, then you know, it turned to a
long message, and I just feel like in that message,
like he thought that I didn't care and that's just
completely untrue, Like I care about him, you know, like

(01:03:42):
I don't. I obviously if I didn't care about him,
I wouldn't be so hard on myself about it. Like
I don't want him to think I was in this
house talking trash about him, because you'll never see a
clip of me like saying like, oh, he's a piece
of shit, he's an asshole. Yeah, like you just won't
see that clip. You won't even I wish they well, no,
I don't wish to show the chance, but I actually
showed the chant of me not chanting. It's just so
you know, it's like I'm not doing that. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
The situation to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Me, sounds like a classic case of hurt people hurt people,
and so that's what seems like is going on to me.
I mean, once the dust settles, and it's harder for
it to settle right now because both of your names
are so public.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Right and it's replaying in real life, like this season
is not over so there's going to probably be more
fodders you know, or whatever, like tweets and comments and
until it airs.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yeah, I do believe that once the dust settles, because
you know, like you guys are going to be big
for now and then something else is gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
It's gonna be like Ryan, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
And so when it gets to that point, right, when
it gets to that point, I do believe you two
could potentially have a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I want. I want to have a conversation, you know,
like I feel like I'm just because you know, here's
the gym in Florida. Now, I'm like hello, Like do
I need to freaking pop up and be like, hey,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
I want to have I want to have it. Not now,
but yes, yeah, I'm like, oh but no.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
I want to. I do want to have a conversation
with him, and you know, like I just don't. The
one main thing is I don't want him to think
like I'm heartless, I didn't care or that nothing real,
because you know, I think he does feel like that
and that's just not true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And I think that would help heal both of you
in the in the long run, So hopefully you guys
will be able to like settle or at least come
to a neutral place once probably this is done, airing
the dust settles and all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I wich the best. I just think we weren't gonna
work together.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, for sure, and it's better that you guys like
move now to places that give you room for growth
for those who want to follow you guys though, well,
actually before you get your social because you said you
had a very long list of notes, anything else on
that list real quick?

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
I feel like I did nail everything. Let's see, well
I did, I do have you know, I do have
one more thing to say, though, Okay, I did not like, Hey,
this is I'm just very honest about what I feel
because I really care, because I don't need to be
friends with no one, Like I'm just gonna say what
I feel and that's it. I did not like that
in that scene because it really does bother me about
Olivia saying she would never do that, and that that

(01:06:16):
she that we were talking for you, she would never
do that, like as my as my friend. We had
conversations before that interview and she's like, don't worry, girl,
I know and you know, she was with a Menuel
who had a girlfriend and she knew that. And for
her to say I would never do that, like you did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
You did that well in talking down on you about
the bananas thing, is that what you're.

Speaker 4 (01:06:38):
Think She would never she would never do something like that,
and that's not how she operates. But then she gets
with people's boyfriends like that's you know, like, please don't
say you would never do something like that, because you do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
You do it a lot, right, So it seems like
she was sister wiving with Ray in the last week's episode.
By the way, it seems like they had a sister
wife thing going on. I don't know, Yes, yeah, that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Do they show and Raven or No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Whoa, I don't remember that?

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
No? Okay, so that also okay, okay, let me just
say okay ready. No. A big reason also why I
was okay saying Kylan's name is, you know, Melissa literally
is like, if Kyland flirts with anyone, you know, put
him in blah blah blah. So I literally I even
said him on my interviews. I'm like, I don't care too.
This is for Melissa, because he was he was flirting

(01:07:26):
with Raven in the house, trying to flirt with Olviya
in the house. He as soon as Melissa left, like
he was like he never met Melissa.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Wow. Wow, was this before or after he did the
shirt funeral thing when he was like lay my relationship
to rest or whatever he said night.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
That she left, it started wow the night that shew
the night that she left. Literally, Olivia is like, oh
my god. Kyland was trying to say this or something,
and then he was telling calling, oh, you look nice,
and then he was with he was cuddling Raven and
I even told him something. I'm like, do you think
it's a little weird? And he's like yeah, he told me.

(01:08:04):
He's like me and me and Melissa agreed, like you
know that it was like, you know, we could do
other things in the house, like it's not that serious,
like we agree to that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
But I don't think a lot of swapping going on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
I don't think that she agreed to that, Like I
just don't know. So I kind of looked at him.
There's like one time where I was sitting with James
and Raven came in the room with Kylin and Kyln
looked at me. He's like I'm not doing anything Maria
because he knew that I was giving the eye right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
But wait, wasn't Raven going after Iman? Well, also because
we see her cuddling with him. They do the night
vision camerayah, proof again that good reality TV shows nothing
literally nothing is off limits. They do the night vision
camera and it's Olivia on one side, Raven on the other,
even while in the middle, and they're like, it's like
movie night or something.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
I don't know about that. Like that's why I say
I think that Rage is very unseerious. But I actually
kind of I kind of like that she's so unseerious
because she has no stress, you know, like Raymond is
very funny. Like she's so unseerious. Don't that the whole
her and I remember that movie and we kind of
all were like, okay, the double cuddle session, Like, yeah,

(01:09:07):
there was definitely there was definitely beef with Olivia and Raven.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Right, oh really over over a Manuel?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Did they know that he hiked up with Colleen?

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
Actually no, oh my god, none of us knew about
Colleen none, Like, but that's what I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Saying, Like she's a good secret key.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
No, Well, she literally like we would say all in
the house. We'd be like, oh my god, Colleen's like
the we because we would we would call her the
mole because she would pop up and we wouldn't know
she's there. Like she would literally just pop up, you know,
like she would just not whack them. Literally she would
walk through conversations and we'd be like hey, you know,
like it was just it was pretty hard to talk

(01:09:47):
to Colleen, like you know, like maybe you know later
on in the season things are different, but like as
of now, like when I would try to have a
conversation with her, I was like, bro, I don't know
how that this conversation I'm leaveing because it was just
was nothing. There was just how are you good? Are
you good? Are you excited? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Like it was very like oh interesting. She was just
like absorbing information. It sounds like like she was just
like taking it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
It's just like there's nothing, like there's no the conversation
was like no depth, Like it just was very boring
and like I just didn't want to have the conversation,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I tried.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
I tried a few times because I was like, am
I being like a jerk? Like am I being wrong?
Like maybe I should get to know her, and I
tried to get to know her, and then I just
didn't want to. Yeah, we didn't know. There was so
much going on in this We had no idea about
I'm in long Colleen. And then I think that Raven honestly,
Raven didn't know there was beef with Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh so it's one sided. So Olivia had beef with Raven.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Yeah, yeah, Raven was. That's why I say she's unseerious, Like, dude,
when I say that, I mean it like she didn't.
I don't think she even knew about this beef. There's
a time where I'm like, listen, I think that you
guys should talk because this is like this is not
a real like there should be nothing going on right now,
you know. Yeah, it was like That's why I say, like,
Raven things unintentionally, like she doesn't mean anything by it,

(01:11:03):
and it's truly it's true. So there's just a one
sided beef that was very Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
It was one entertaining, sounds interesting, it was also entertaining.
I love it. Thank you so much, Mariah, and for
those who want to follow you and your entertaining this
on social media. Where can they find you on the socials?

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Mariah Jade?

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
A cool? Is that on Instagram?

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
TikTok, It's on everything? Yeah, my last name is not Cha,
like everyone's like Maria and Ja. No, no, Mariah Jade.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Okay, thank you because I was one of those people
everyone got your last.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
My last name is Andrew Chowski, which is like polish
as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Oh my god, I love that. That on my bingo
card that was not I never would have guessed. I
know I never would guess that. Well, thank you, Mariah
j Do you feel better now coming on the podcast?
I know you had a lot you want to get
off the chest. I know your guard was up a
little bit in the beginning. You may have felt like
you're going against the firing scot. Thank you for being
brave like day day. So do you feel better now?

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
Yeah? I feel I feel good. I just you know,
I always want to clarify how I feel, and you know,
I wish I wish the best for you know, everyone
I have. I really have no beef with anyone. I
you know, I could say how I feel, but it's
not important enough to have beef with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
So appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Thanks for not attacking me, and of course I want
you to feel like cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Thank you guys, thank you bye woo. That was one
for the book she came with all her notes. I
also like that one of her notes included talk to
Devin about the podcast. Watch this podcast get brought up

(01:12:52):
in the re union. Sure I'm not bad about it,
but I feel like, one hundred percent it will. That
was such a good interview though, and I really appreciated
getting to hear her side of things and just like
get to know her a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
What do you think, day, I think it was a
great opportunity for her to tell her side of the story,
which I had been begging for for her to come
on here and tell her side of the story. And
so yeah, hopefully it'll give the listeners and us a
little more clarity and understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
And you know, either we can continue to follow this
story or we could continue to just say, oh, okay,
that happened, Let's move on. But if the people want
to follow you, where can the people follow you on
the socials of the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Medias Mmm, they can go to my website. That's devinisimone
dot com. Devin with a Y Simone with an dot
com scroll down to the bottom. You will see my
socials there, or you can just join me on Instagram.
It's at Devin Simone Twitter. Same thing at Devin simone
TikTok as well, but my TikTok pretty much looks like
Day's YouTube channel at this point. And then you can

(01:13:49):
also find me on It's not the end of the
year yet, so we're still doing lives with Amazon, so
you can go Google Devensmone Amazon and you will see
Devinsmone's gift closet. Click the follow button. When we go live,
we can chat. I'll shout you out. I love always
seeing my challenge followers and fans there. Where can they
find you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Day Girl? Christmas shopping from my child.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
I'm in all the stores, but you got a couple
of days.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
It gives last minute gives Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
But you can also find me on the socials and media's.
You can find me on Twitter at day Davion Underscore.
You can also find me on Instagram at Davion Diane Underscore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
And for now, I'm gonna leave it right there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Since Devin always has something to say about my YouTube, well,
i'mnna make a video about her bookmarket.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
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Book mark.

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