O'liv’n on the Edge w/ Horacio Gutiérrez

Rookie of the Year Contender, America’s Sweetheart, Papi Picante... Horacio Gutiérrez is on the podcast today! Aneesa, Devyn and Da'Vonne talk with him about Laurel (of course), Devyn and Da'Vonne find out about a new relationship that's coming up, and they also get into Olivia's master plan from this week's episode.

The hosts also try to figure out what went wrong in that daily Challenge (especially for one Challenger), they congratulate Nelson on breaking The Curse, and they celebrate their new billboard!

Catch new episodes The Challenge: Ride or Dies, Wednesdays at 8pm on MTV and we'll see you back here next week for a brand-new episode of MTV's Official Challenge Podcast.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone. I'm a Nissa Ferrara, and I'm her little
sister Devin Simone, and I'm everybody's sister, Davion Rogers. And
this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Welcome to the SUOD. Yeah,
you know, Davon's the youngest, because the youngest always comes
out loud, like the youngest sibling is always the one
that just busts out for sure. And I'm always ready
to fight exactly exactly, and We're always ready to talk

(00:24):
about the challenge with you. Also, we just couldn't stay
away day and I are here and Anissa, I know
you're so thrilled you missed us, right I did. I
love the energy that we all have. I am missing
my other sister Tory, but Nissa giving her a little
time off. You know she's been going through it this season.
But we love you, Tori. We love you, Tori. Can't
wait till you come back recharged. Everybody needs that a

(00:45):
little now and again. Um also shout out before we
do dive into this week's episode to you and Tory,
who are gracing at Times Square like the living legends
that you are. It's posted on a niece says Instagram. Page.
Make sure you check it out, you guys. But shout
out to you the Official Challenge podcast. Thank you. I
can't wait till we all get up there, because listen,

(01:07):
I didn't know that was going to be there, but
I could see like a cute little shoot with all
four of us. I agree, might be cute. I feel
like we all deserved to have our beautiful faces up there.
I kindly agree, and I looked to us making that happen.
But in the meantime, let's talk about what happened this week. Davon,
how are you feeling after this week's episode. I'm so

(01:27):
proud of Nelson man, life right right. Proud of Nelson,
like good way to come through it. Shout out to
Theresa because she really liked that there and put the
plants together and gave it to Nelson and they was
able to bounce off of each other. So I'm so
proud of them. Man. That was like one of the
for me of this this episode. Yeah, how about you all?
How I feel? I mean, I feel like the episode.

(01:48):
It was It was interesting to see a lot was
going on. Seeing Laurel get a little cupcakey was interesting
with Dasio, you know, the way. She started with, Oh,
I'm a help you take this necklace off. Next thing,
she's like rubbing body, rubbing, snuggling all up. She was like,
you look like you need a couple hugs because I don't.
I can't seem to get the necklace off. Fell it

(02:10):
fell behind you. It's on your back. I must get it.
That was a very interesting strategy. The other strategy of
all the bed moving that was going on, it just
you know, Bessie says that he always gets hit with
love on the challenge. Is that what's hitting you in
the face or is it germs and it love? I'm
not going but just no, he he was just trying

(02:33):
to narrow See this is what a lot of the
women talked about. It was like trying to narrow it down.
I'm like, well, who says we want you? Do you
get to choose from ford? It for women? They're not
sitting here like oh god, I mean the women were
even even Olivia was sitting there like who was coming
at me? Like, you know, Nel says my boo, who
was coming for me? And there were Jay was Jay

(02:55):
was going after that. Jay liked Colleen. There were some
flirting there, like there were all these people flirting, right,
you know, but we saw it was really hard, yes,
because I actually was in bed and Kalim was in bed,
and then Fessi came in and picked her up, and
I was just nervous because there were steps leading back
to because we lived in the room right above fesss.

(03:16):
So he picked her up and put her put her
up there and then walked her down. Oh, put her
in the bed and then did whatever he did, was
that he put her in and didn't leave, right, you know,
That's exactly what happened. So a thought could be wrong.
So we talked about Nerees being Nelson's partner and that
contributing to his success potentially, right. And by the way,

(03:37):
Neres is just you know, I haven't met her, don't
know yet, but just stunning anyway. And then the brains
like just really can't even yea um. But could it
also be that maybe I don't know, Olivia putting that
thing on Nelson helped him break because fifty four losses
in a row and then you're finally getting some good

(03:58):
and then now and now now you're a winner. I mean, Nellie,
you've always been a winner in my heart, but you
know maybe it's breaking the curse. The curse? Do we
know if she's still helping him break the curse? Like now,
no she is not. Oh okay, I don't even think
he follows her. Oh a great season of course for Yeah,

(04:22):
you know how this is with shaw mansays it's like
I love you someone and then you get off the
show and you're like, oh, absolutely now because it's true,
you get blind. I've talked about it before camp syndrome.
You're in camp and you own we saw you. Okay,
no one needed to know. Do you know? My family
still teases me about that. It's actually really why. He's
really funny like and he's a gentleman looks like that.

(04:43):
But we don't need to nobody needs We don't need it.
That didn't it was so it was a million years,
so we need so. I also liked this episode for
the Daily looked really fun And were you surprised, Anissa
by how many people weren't able to come pleat that challenge?
First of all, fun is a different word that I

(05:05):
probably wouldn't associate if you could have seen Durell. He
was just a debt, like a dead bug. He was
so nervous but I have to give it up to
him this episode for being like, you know what f this.
I'm gonna tell my daughter right now, I don't want
to do this, but I'm gonna do it. And that
was like tugged at my heart strings, like you are

(05:25):
going to risk your life because Scott forbid, like this
is I look at it. I'm like I got nervous
watching it again. Yeah, like I got anxious, like I
was up there because it's like, what the hell are
we doing? Why aren't we on the ground. Yeah, So
it was not it. There was so much pressure because
it was like nobody's doing this something. Somebody has a
wrong strategy. Yeah, right, that's interesting. No one can really

(05:49):
from it's jump. I told Jordan, I am holding onto
this thing. I told I am not going to be
able to commit. I know that you will because these
guys stayed up there for so long, like I'm gonna
stand for five minutes only to swing five feet years
and be so far from that And I'm like, you
did that for what. Casey's brother closed his eyes and
was just like see no, hear no, speak no. And

(06:10):
at that moment and Casey brought up also a good
point where she was like, look, my parents know that
he's here. If something happened to any of us, they're
not gonna be very happy about that. No, not, you
guys say, all right, I know you know before listeners,
you guys are used to us doing play of the Week,
Dirtiest Deed, Side of the Week, wink of the week.

(06:33):
Now we're gonna mix it up for you a little
bit again, all right, and we're gonna do gold Star
of the Week. So who's gonna get the award? And
then who needs to go be putting time out? So
just sit down and you don't get to leave until
we tell you think about what you did exactly, all right,
So let's kick it off. Who has their their gold
Star of the week. Okay, I'll go because I have

(06:54):
the same person for both. The person that I'm about
to say gets my gold stars mine, I bet you're
gonna and they get my time out. Mine is gonna
go to Tommy. Tommy is gonna get my goal star,
and he's also gonna get my time out. The reason
he's getting my time out is because what the hell
was going on in that daily I am thoroughly embarrassed
as a big brother player, because you had us out
here looking whack. What were you doing? This was not Broadway?

(07:17):
Why were you dancing like what? I believe? I think
kid was so happy that Annale made contact with his
body that he forgot that there was a goal. You
don't forget you nine thousand feet in the air. How
you forget what's going on? Not not nine thousand feet
the bright ass flag behind you, and they showed in
slow low When he turns around, you can still see

(07:39):
the flag. He doesn't. He looks right at air muscle
nair arm. He didn't even try after the fact to
do a little regirl. He just maintains that perfect position
of a bird because he was looking at the flag,
flag was looking at him, and was looking at each other,
and he kept going like, I'm just what in the
show to him? I feel like his arm even wet
past the flag, like he had a perfect what is
it called wingspan arm? He has a permit perfect like

(08:02):
it was right there. Now. He also gets my gold
star because of the elimination. Baby was a little enginette
could He tried and tried and tried and tried, and
for me as a viewer and also a competitor, that's
what you want to see. You want to see people
that are at least gonna try. And he did not
give up. At no point did he say I cannot
lift her. And we all saw it and he knew it.

(08:24):
I cannot lift her. So I'm just gonna throw in
the towel. He said, no, maybe Jesus gonna come down
and help me get this rope. Like he had all
the hope and all the faith in himself to be
able to get it done. So I'm so proud of him.
So for this week, he gets my gold star and
my time out. So go sit in the corner and
think about what you did. But take the star. Why
are you over there, Anissa? Who are yours? Listen? And

(08:45):
it's not because I am partial to Olivia, but as
a rookie, as someone who's already seen elimination twice, as
someone who already has a flourishing romance, and the fact
that you made that with her, that comes later, the
fact that she, um, she gets the gold star because

(09:06):
she pulled that shit off. Yeah and it worked, Yeah, yeah,
it worked out for her. Yeah. I don't know who
I would give a time out to. Um politic, Yeah,
don't go back. I am not hate both of you,
you pitic. No, I'm just trying to think of like

(09:30):
I mean, I don't know. If this is a time
show and you know what are on the clown, We'll
go ahead and get up that over time to think
about it. I'll give you sometimes think about it. Because
she is politicking, We're gonna work on her. I am
not I just don't know what was like time out worthy? Okay, fine,
My gold star of the week, so it's my gold

(09:50):
star of the week is scubaell Et fifty four times,
never gave up and finally he made it, you know,
I just it's props to him and for finally getting
it done, finally getting it done. Please don't let us,
don't let it be another fifty four Nelson. But so
proud of you, so excited for you, so happy. My
time out though, goes to Nelson. Nelson, how are you

(10:12):
going to hook up with someone and then have the
audacity to ourdacity? Be like, but I'm authoria because because yeah,
sure it was spun and it very much looks like
Olivia is on board. But I'm pretty sure if Nelson
came out the gate and said naboo were not even
gonna nominate you. We don't have to take all those risks.
I'm pretty sure Olivia would have been like, bet that works.

(10:35):
Like I feel that in my spirit that if Nelson
came out of the gate and said that, it's not
even on the table. But if you watch back, go
look at that episode. Nelson was like, so, you know,
I like you, right, But here's what I'm thinking. We
know the bets, like we got to do this, and
therefore they came to this kind of plan together and
so and I feel like she took it in stride.
It worked out well. She looks like a boss. Love that.

(10:58):
But Nelson do that and then having your Dasky'd be like, okay,
am I still gonna get some kisses later. Need grow
if you don't go see thought, I mean they bamboos
on us, because I still I can't believe it. I
think Nelson honestly bamboozled Olivia a little bit too, like
I think meaning again, I think she did his work. Yeah, exactly,

(11:21):
she did his dirty work. And again I'm willing to
bet that if Nelson had said, fine, you have two options.
Me nominate you and we put our little plan together
or me not nominate you at all, so you don't
even have to have the stress that something might would
ab Definitely she would. I think she would have been like,
I'm cool taking it back, Yes you might. Nellie might
get my time out then, m because if Nellie would

(11:42):
go by his own um moral compass, the whole thing
where he was like, oh no one could trust you
Tommy and Annelie, but you still voted your girlfriend in.
Right are we to trust you? Now? If the girl
that you are, if you see me naked, you will
never vote me in. That'll be the last thing you do.
That will be the last thing on this earth that

(12:05):
you do. If you if you know to me right back,
I would have gone right back up on stage. I
would have pulled them down and I'd be like, so
we're having a face off tonight, right right? If I
go in, you go in. If you get to know,
I thought you, I thought you loved me in turn,
I thought we were doing this together talking about you
gonna be all right, Well, we'll make sure everybody doesn't
vote you if you don't go. But you can't control that.

(12:28):
You can't control right, That's what I'm saying. So it
wasn't they weren't fully said. It worked out beautifully, made
for a great episode. But but if he really wanted
to save her, he would have just been like, naboo, yeah,
this make sure she's one hundred percent safe. And I
see what you're saying, But what is we go? Neurice
wasn't even his partner. What would have happened? Would it

(12:49):
have been easier for him? I mean she went to
bat for Olivia too. Yeah? Right, because oh because right,
because because she wanted to do just the best think
I'm thinking. Now, see you, guys, I told you this.
I wasn't politicking. I was just collecting my thoughts so
I could get to the ones, the right ones out.
I mean, that's sound good. Now you know what I'm sitting.

(13:13):
Davon's in time out. That's my time out, alright, beach,
Ain't no times out on my beach, Ain't no times out. Hey.
The reason why she's saying to beat you guys, is
because she's sitting here. Um, we see a video of
her with this fake beach background just so every time,
and she's not in any of these places. He's in serenity,
they hated. I am in peace, in serenity, right now
they are hating well White Davon is enjoying peas in serenity.

(13:37):
In time out, we have an incredible episode for you
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(13:58):
what really went down in the challenge and a Nissa
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(14:19):
America's heart throb, Picante Poppy, also known as Rassio Gutierrez. Um,
welcome to the podcast. We will get into the Poppy
because I have questions now, no, no, so yeah, where
did that come from? Where did that come from? Ok?
You know, so Tori was Tori flirts in a very

(14:39):
odd way, and I mean it's no it's no surprise.
Rassio is not only kind, but he is kind on
the eyes. So because he's not like Johnny or like
Feci or like any of those guys. He's he's more reserved.
We were like, how do we pull this guy out
of his shell? And then Tori's trying to learn Spanish
and then she was like, how do I say hot daddy?

(15:01):
And then he was like she was like, oh, puppy bcante,
and then it started this whole thing. So he was Rossio.
He was a ratio. He was a ratio, he was Guti.
He was All of his names miss mispronounced. Yeah, how
do you properly pronounce him? By the way, because we
were asking you got on here. I mean, I'm gonna
start calling you pecanti. I know we just met. I'm

(15:22):
gonna call you pcante now, but how do you pronounce
your name? So my name is pronounced as so in
in Spanish, the age is actually silent. So that's why
everybody's like saying her ratio. Honestly, I don't like it,
but I can't correct there everybody, So I'm just gonna
go with a puppy becantu. That's gonna be well. Guti

(15:43):
was easy for people. Yeah, that was like you were
one of his friends exactly. I felt cool when I
said I'm glad you broke that down because I wrote
it down and I wrote her as, oh no, that's wrong.
But that's not why I wrote it. I know. Is
we had Nelson like Olivia Horatio Hard No, not at all.

(16:09):
Oh my goodness. So congratulations on being the rookie that
you are because you're showing out. I mean, you are
showing out, but at the same time you're being mixed
with all of these iconic vets. So in this episode
we see Darrell come in. Veronica came with him, of course,
but I'm saying for you, as a mail to see
such another iconic mail step into the game, how did

(16:31):
that feel? Yeah, I mean that was a surprise. Obviously,
I was thinking TJ's done with the surprises being friendly
and seeing durand Veronica walk in, it's like, really, like,
we're all busting our ass to get all these people out,
and you're bringing in more people, and knowing the record
that they have, you know, they're they're champions and all

(16:52):
this and their their vets. It's like, Okay, another team
that's gonna be against us and gonna make us go
down into his own again. So it was I don't know,
every time someoney you came in, including like Anissa. I
was like, gosh, dang it, like now we're going back
into the zone and numbers against us. Like it was
just it was hard. It was hard. It was bittersweet.
So had you watched the show before coming on? Like,

(17:12):
were you a fan of the show before coming on?
I'm gonna be honest, um, I was kind of like,
I watched a couple of Like you didn't watch it, right, Yeah,
that's okay. I watched a couple is not. He was like,
I watched two episodes because they told me to. Besides that,
no spoiler accounts on Twitter. That's how I knew who

(17:33):
you people were. That's crazy. No. I love your honesty though. Yeah. No,
speaking of honesty, I want to know this because he
is so honest and he plays the game honestly. But
this move child Olivia's plan. I I felt bad the
whole season. I just found out to the end. I

(17:54):
talked to Olivia all of the time. I didn't know
that we all sat in that house like, oh my god,
Nelly really did this to his love. Oh yeah, but
she made the whole plan and you were quiet about
it and pretended like y'all were really mad. How hard
was it to keep that Secretante Poppy like, how hard
was even now when you're switching around, Well, Um, it wasn't.

(18:22):
It wasn't difficult for me. I mean a Nissa said it.
I'm more on the quiet side and research side. So
I was going into the game. I was like, I'm
not gonna be talking strategy with anybody, um, and if
I'm gonna make or cut a deal, it's gonna be
because they came to me. Um, I'm not gonna be
searching for it. And this whole plan that Olivia, this

(18:42):
master mind plan that she created. I was just like,
I was just going with the flow. I'm like, all right,
if it works out, great, If not, I am ready
to go back into the zone. And you know, it
was like my second home, the zone. So I was like,
it's cool if we go back in there. But uh no,
it was. It was pretty easy. Just stick to myself,
kind of just did my own thing training playing soccer.
And were you you were also training in hugs. I

(19:04):
saw a lot of hug training. Do you want to Yeah,
what's up with you? And Laura too? No? I think
laurel um tell the truth yeah, I know where do
I start? No, I'm gonna be honest. I really like
laurel Um. You know, she's in what way reliantically? Uh?

(19:26):
I mean like do you like her like you want
to like read books with her? Do you like her
like you want to stick your tongue down her throat?
Which one is it? Wow? Uh, it's a mix of both.
I want to be honest, it's a mix of both.
But uh, I don't know. Like I said, going into it,

(19:47):
I was like, I don't want to get into any
kind of you know, just relation nothing. I was just like,
I know what I'm here to do. I'm here to compete,
and I don't mind getting to know people and you know,
we hugging them and hugging them lots of lots of Yeah.
And one thing that maybe a lot of people don't
know is that she speaks Spanish, and that to me

(20:08):
was so it made me feel confident and get out
of that shell that you know, Niece's talking about, and
just be able to express myself. And I think that
that connection really just drew a little by a little
and you know, you saw it there, she says, I
wake up and he's right next to me and she
talked about that a long since the season. Has she

(20:29):
woken up and you've been right next to her, like
since my Spanish? No, not yet. Oh so there's a possibility.
I like that promising, we like that, we like so. Yeah.
So she she did with Tori was trying to do
she she did it so other than I understand she would.

(20:52):
Tori was just trying to be like, oh oh oh, okay, wait,
what's happening right now? What it's going to go off
the rail? I'm seasoned, so go ahead. I can't spill
tee because we haven't seen the rest of this show.
Plan out, pan out, But um, you got me sweating
over here, Yeah you should be. I'm got a math

(21:13):
and the two plus two was equal in four in
my mind, and I'm putting together right now. Okay, see now,
this is this is the This is the season of Lovers.
I told you I felt like I was on love Island.
There is a lot of hugging, shared hugs. Bessy's in
bed with different girls. There is a lot of love
going on. Are we watching lust or Island or LUs Islands,

(21:36):
germ Island, whatever you want to call it. This is
not the end. This is just the beginning there. Wait,
so with somebody a sister wife in the house, that's
what I There are musical there are musical beds, musical
bed literally, musical bed upstairs, musical hustal tongue, that's gross,
don't but but of people using because with that right

(21:58):
and we know that the channel. By the way, I
don't know why the challenge hasn't done at least recently,
a partnership with Trojan or something. I don't know. I
feel like it's a missed opportunity. But the way that
Olivia and Poppy Picante is that better. Did I get
it ready to go, managed to use the dynamic in

(22:21):
the relationship. My mind is still just blown about how
that was pulled off. First, I want to know, Poppy,
did you automatically assume when Nelson and Nearese won. Did
you feel were you kind of just sitting pretty like, okay,
I know we're safe, like we have to be safe
given that relationship, or was there a part of you
that was like, I can't trust anyone. No, exactly that

(22:45):
as soon as I saw that Nelson won, well not
even that one. I saw that we didn't win, We're
going in straight up because nobody really had our back.
We were kind of right now, we had a target
on our bag. We had just done previous eliminations, and
I'm like, this is we're just going back in. And
I know the whole Olivia Nelson thing was was growing,

(23:07):
but I said, look, let's be honest. Last episode, Mariah,
you know she's your best friend, quote unquote, and they
threw us in, right. And now this guy that you
know you've been I don't know, doing whatever, playing musical beds. Yeah,
all that with him. I mean it means nothing to
him me either. It's a game. And I just think

(23:29):
we're gonna go back in and She's like, no, no,
it's not gonna be this way. I'm like, we're going in.
And when she shared with you that her idea was
just sort of like volunteer for you guys to be nominated,
right that master plan where it was to make the
house think you guys want align. Was there a moment
that you wanted to be like hell Na, Like, was

(23:50):
there any point where you like, this is not the
let's try a different route or did you just roll
with it from the beginning? No, all the time, every
time Olivia spoke. I was on the edge of my
I'm like, Okay, what are you gonna say next? Like,
what what are you gonna do? Because she's just you know,
she kind of she's very smart, don't get me wrong,
but she just speaks and yeah, and I'm just like,

(24:13):
you don't know how people are gonna, you know, portray
that or whatever. So I was just on the edge
of my chair. But her thinking like I could trust Nelson,
I could trust the Reaes. I'm like, all right, I'm
just gonna trust you because you're the only person I trust.
I'm gonna trust you, Olivia, and then we see, we'll
see what goes from there. But like I said, I
I was ready if if it came to coming into

(24:35):
the zone, I was ready. But see, that's what made
me feel a little uneasy because y'all had just got
stabbed in the throat last week by Analyst and Tommy, right,
and so for you to be like, oh, the plan
is awesome, I'm winning. I'm down, let's right the way whatever,
And I'm like, how when this just happened last week.
So even though you did have whatever trust you had

(24:57):
for Nelson and the reason they're not in the pit,
like you have to worry about the other people that
are down there in the pit the zone with you guys.
It was a risk. It was Yeah, it was definitely
a risk, and that's that's I think that's the thing
of the game though, It's always gonna be a risk
no matter what. And with with the reason Nelson, I
just I don't know, I just felt like Nelson being

(25:19):
a vet, I'm like, Okay, this guy, you know, I've
seen kind of a little bit how he moves and stuff,
and I'm like, I think I could trust him, and
he was kind of he had his lovely, lovely w
eyes for Olivia, so I'm like, he definitely doesn't want
it to go. But like you said, they had just
backstaff does in the previous episode. So yeah, I was
definitely on edge. I don't know, I was just ready

(25:46):
bettle why wow. So but I also feel like Nelly
lucked out because it could have gone to him. Oh
my god. It's kind of like he got but this
was your this was your dream setup. You win. You
got people down there that will do all of the
dirty work. You just put those two people up. And
I'd argue it was and you can wash your hands well,

(26:09):
so he could have agreed to Olivia's plan knowing that
regardless he would I mean, it just worked out, No,
it did, But here's my but here's my concerning point.
I'm looking towards the future. So it did work out beautifully, beautifully, right,
and the way that Ronica said, it doesn't always happen.
But the only thing that would have potentially made it
better would have been Tommy and Analyst coming back because

(26:32):
and this is my question to you, Poppy, how do
you feel watching Kim and Colleen dominate that elimination and
then hearing when Colleen said, Okay, now I'm coming back
focused on revenge because technically, while Nelson and Nereese nominated
them into the bottom four, you were the one. I mean,
you and your partner obviously were the one that actually

(26:55):
sent them in. And as of right now, it sounds
like Colleen's out for blood. That's one thing that I
I wanted obviously to pick the safe dagger, because that's
that's the guarantees your safety. But it gives you now
you kind of put blood on your hands, like people say,
because we sent them in, But I don't know, I
didn't him and Colleen I think they're great people, and

(27:18):
I actually, like Colleen said it, like we haven't. We
didn't know Derell and Veronica. I spoke to to Camp
quite a bit and Colleen, but I just didn't see
them as they could potentially win a challenge in the future.
You know. I thought it was a great, flawless week
for Nelson and the Reese Like, I thought it was,

(27:41):
oh yeah, absolutely flawless week for them. And they got
to put the blood on you. So I thought it
was like great noon, And I'm saying for Poppy it
wasn't as flawless just because there's now a little bit
of blood on. It's just gonna be. I hope that's okay.
Is that all right? Do I need to make sure
you consent? Laura? Make sure it's okay. Oh do you

(28:03):
want me to call her? I? Oh, yes, put her on,
put her on. She'll be like, clar yes, yes, I
don't know what I do. Want to ask you, hot daddy, yeah, translating.
Chauncey made a statement in his confessional where he said

(28:24):
Amber was the leader of the rookies. My question to
you is do you agree with that or do you
think it was somebody else that was in my notes.
Oh was it? Yea go ahead dud? Yeah. I actually
laughed at that because I mean, this whole entire time,
Amber and Chauncey have you know, I really got close
to them, but they haven't been, you know, competing very well.

(28:47):
Where have they been. Let's be honest, Like Amber her
if she was quote unquote the leader, you know, she
would have been like, hey, you know what, you guys
should do this move or you should do this. She
never came to us to do that, you know. Um
not saying she was a bad like alliance, but I
didn't know I was part of the whole little Alliance group.
I was just kind of like, all right, I'm here

(29:08):
with Olibya. Yeah, I'm with the rookies, but if I'm
gonna work with some Vets, I don't care. I'll work
with some bets. Yeah, but it was it was shocking
to hear that from Chauncy. I don't I don't know
what you think. What do you think? Shock? I am
in shock at all When he said that the Vets
didn't want to work with her, I'm like, Okay, first

(29:28):
of all, she's on the bottom of her totem pole.
That wasn't the case. It's just like, how do you
work with somebody that already was like, f these Vets,
I don't want any of them to win? As you
blame her episode based on her free season, do you
kind of blame her though, Yes, but even not just
her first season, her latest season, because when she came
on Aftermats, she had the same sort of feelings and

(29:51):
watching she felt see anisa to that attitude. No, I'm
telling you, I came into this very very accepting of Amber,
and I get along with her and we are fine.
Tell us when we're not seeing because it does like
you guys shun her. So tell us what we know.
That's not the that's not the thing. You have to
be real about your shit. If you say, hey, I

(30:11):
don't want the Vets to win, but you're in the
next breath, you're like, oh my god, girl, I want
you to win. And I'm not talking about myself and
talking about somebody else. And we will see it in
the episodes to come. But but make it makes sense.
Don't sit here and champion a group of people so
you can feel accepted or like the leader. This isn't
a cult um. You're just trying to play Challenge Cult. Yeah,

(30:31):
Challenge Cult. Addition, um, you know anything. I think Rassio
is like me, like we and Jordan like we've kind
of played the game and we roll with the punches
and we do what we have to do, and we
need to make a move, we will, but we're not
gonna sit here and be like I'm a leader of
the group. And because of that and the back and
forth and the inconsistencies, it makes it hard to work

(30:53):
with someone. When Jordan and I came in, I was like, Okay,
Tori and Devin, that's it, and then we're gonna play
this game because you can only make promised to one person,
right and then. But beyond that's how people cancer. Yeah,
so it's not that there's a there's a pecking order,
but you put my best friend in the house. If
it wasn't her, then I would have picked someone else
that I had a relationship that I could trust. So

(31:13):
it's not oh woe is me, everybody's against Amber. That's
not the case, but it does. It does. I don't
care what it looks like, because big God, I don't
care because you will and Rossio was there for you
will see what's what is it? What's done in the
night was done in the light. Yes, that's what I

(31:34):
meant exactly. Yep, it's gonna come her away, It's going
to see what happened. So she never came up to us. Well,
I can only speak for myself. She never came to
me talking game. But I was with Chauncey. Chauncey was
in a room of Jordan. Jordan and a Rossio were cool.
Rossio and Chauncey were like, I was kind of connected
to Chauncey. Yeah, you know, so it's like that's just

(31:54):
how things go. Yeah, I think Chauncey talked a lot
more game than the number. Well he also is getting
more score any time than her too, So that kind
of threw me back as well when I when he
said that, because I was like, well, where I ain't
seen her, you know, really do so much. But it's
a lot of people like just like in this last
season of The Challenge USA, Danny didn't had no screen time,
that's the way, and then he won all up. So

(32:17):
but yeah, but there were some other things. You know,
I wish I would have whatever no no, no, no,
no out you know. Now, Anissa, you know. I just
had my thick ass was on that final that's all.
That's all. I would have been a polar bear in
the wild. That's well. But speaking of you in the wild, Anissa,
in this particular daily, let's talk about it. First of all,

(32:38):
one of the best. I've great fun. It looks so fun.
Probably one of my favorite challenge dailies I can recall
in recent time, Anissa, everybody failed but two teams and
one of those teams bad as girl. Thank you, Thank
you girl, walk us through acause you did look scared

(33:00):
a tail. How are you feeling before actually being out there?
Talk me through what you all strategy was, and then
how did you feel once you won? I hated every
part of that, And I told Jordan, I'm like, listen, Jordan,
let's let's just look at our factors here. I'm like,
I know you can hang on longer than me, but
like hanging it might not be your best thing. You know,

(33:21):
it might not be my best thing. But I think
if we're trying to go for something, I feel like
hesitation wise, like I may not jump off that thing,
but I know he will commit every step of the way.
I'm like, yeah, I'm probably way as much as you,
maybe a little bit more. I'm like, you're gonna I'm
gonna catch you whatever you do. I'm like, and with
my body weight and yours and if we drop at

(33:42):
the same you know time, we'll be perfect at this.
And I was like, the woman has to hold on.
I'm sorry. So Tory and I were like, yo, you're
doing it. She was like yes. I was like okay, cool,
and then we just like stood our ground because the
guys were like, no, we should hold on. I'm like,
it's not going to calm down to as we were
watching each heat, how long you can hang if none

(34:02):
of you often get the flag right? Right? How did
you decide which one of you, between you and Olivia
we're going to be the jumper and the holder. How
did you decide? So I knew that Olivia is like
her fears heights, so I was like, I'm gonna have
to hold on. But there was because we were in
the last heat. Devin at one point he came up
to me. He's like, I think Olivia should hold on.

(34:23):
But Olivia was not about it. She was like she
obviously I see I say, she's fearless. But at that moment,
I'm like, I'm not going to put her through this. Yeah,
And I was like, all right, I trust I thought
our weight would be good, you know, kind of like
Anissa was saying, like as soon as she hits me,
I feel like, all right, we'll have enough momentum to go. Yeah,
And it just didn't go as planned. And you know, now,

(34:44):
I'm like, we should have changed the strategy. But you know,
that's a that's that experience right there. Yeah, both of
you guys being there physically. What do you think were
some of the issues the other teams were doing. I mean,
obviously we saw some as if, but I'm sure there's
some we didn't see of why people just kept very
talented people otherwise just kept missing that flag. What were

(35:06):
some of the things or the mistakes that were being made,
timing and jumping at people's feet, jumping to Veronica and Darrell,
you know, oh my god, Veronica was upside down like
a little too. Oh my god, she scared. Look. I
agree with Chauncy. Where is the nit period? Where is
the nit? I thought about it. I'm like, why didn't

(35:27):
we They don't show this but little background for you
buy things. The scream that I gave. Once we got that,
I'm like, WHOA. Then I had to wait for FESSI
to hold on for minutes. Yeah, I'm like, okay, now
I'm just here with buy this thread and Jordan's holding
onto me a worst strapped together. I'm like, FESSI, I'm
like Mariah, just go right. They probably not getting in

(35:49):
the flag. They get you guys just hanging there. That
person was so I was like, pull me another thing
that black people don't. It's just hack. We did it
for the second you got your footage. You need to
pull us back in. We would have never paid to
do this activity ever. You guys were hanging for like
two minutes, two minutes and two Bessie, I mean he

(36:12):
started doing pull ups at one point, like all right, Bessy,
we get it. But oh I was and he called
you last episode Fessie number two, like he called me
boyfriend number two. Yeah, boyfriend number two about well, according
to him, it's because he said that all the girls
that kind of missed their shot with him, they go
with me something like that. But who once were cycled goods?

(36:34):
I don't understand why they keep going for fest the mess.
None of those girls went for you. I mean, okay,
let's let's call Spadas man and I love Bessie. By
the way, everybody was trying if I love FESSI two,
this isn't about love. This is about that on TV
and calling them out on it. When I say that.
Everyone was trying to figure out Erassio is type and
then was offended when we were like, damn, we earn't it. Um.

(36:57):
It was like he's great at every thing. He has
six packs, six eight pat ten pat, who knows? I
mean that could wash everything in your hamper um. The
nicest guy, I mean, hold a door, so so kind, generous,
can eat so much it's kind of disturbing. Um, it's weird,

(37:19):
you know that. But yes, yeah, no, I do know.
He's like a garbage. But we would order stuff. He'd
be like, I need eight burgers. He's drinking from a blender,
ladies and gentlemen. He is a big not a portable
blender because he has all of the fruit, all of
the protein, peanut butter hut like he has everything a cookie,
everything's in there, but everything it's He wasn't there to

(37:39):
meet girls, and even though women wanted to talk to him,
Rossio was like I own the prize and yeah, flirting,
and I mean we're there for a while, so it's
it's nice to be Yeah, you know you you're gonna
get to know people and you get attached. I think
that's I believed you get attached to. Um, I don't know.

(38:01):
We had a lot of funny moments in that room. Yep. No,
he just said I don't know if he should say so,
therefore he should definitely say who all did you get attached?
We know you're attached to Laurel. Yeah, and then I
mean there was a little Michelle in there. Whoa, whoa what? Well,
Michelle kind of had a crush. I mean there were
people that had crushes on you. No, we want to
know who the mutual interests were, not somebody who was

(38:22):
chasing you were room. We want to know who you
were chasing back, right, Sorry, who got the eye? The eye? Um?
I mean they just leave it at it's Nissa's best friends.
So maybe this will work. I mean, good pick. We
had so many fun times in in that room. I mean,

(38:43):
then it' cause awkwardness between you and Jordan at any point?
Uh No, they loved each other. Yeah, I was straight
up with Jordan the entire time. Brother Husband's what's happening?
Brother husband connected with both of his exes though, and Lord,
and you know what's funny is you Dassio actually remind
me of Jordan a little bit. Like as Anissa was

(39:05):
describing you being this upstanding guy said, you're very kind.
Jordan in the beginning kind of came off, you know,
in his early season a little manor but overall like
get it the kind of get it done guy, focus,
capable of good at everything. You and Jordan seem a
little alike and definitely not fassy. And so then the

(39:27):
fact that you connected with both things Jordan, that's an
interesting that's interesting. No. I thought about it as well,
because I'm like, Jordan's like, I like this guy. Like
we we could hang out, like we could do just
anything in terms of like we were out there in
the backyard all which is we're kicking the soccer ball around,
we're throwing the football, just working out, we were doing
everything boxing and uh then I just started seeing all

(39:50):
these little similarities and I'm like, what is going on.
I'm like, we have the same taste and women like,
what's what's going on here? So I don't know stab
it really it's quite interesting. So how did it feel
watching this episode? Is and Anisa? I wanted to ask
you too, because we want to see on what happened

(40:10):
because we know you know, because you're the best friend, right,
What did you feel, sir? You know, hot daddy? What
did you feel seeing Jordan and Anisa, I mean Jordan
and Tory in the bed in that clip? How did
that make you feel? To be honest, at that point,
I didn't really talk to Tory no today, How did
you feel today? Oh, how did you feel today? Watching that? Today?

(40:34):
Watching that, I was, I'm gonna be honest, I was,
actually I was actually very happy because I told them
the entire time, I said, look, I'm not gonna choose
a side between you two. I really like you both, um,
and I just want what's best for both of you.
I think, if if it's like you both are here
for a reason, If it's either to rekindle whatever you had, great,

(40:56):
If it's either just to close up that that cycle
and make sure you guys are good, that's it. So
seeing that, I'm like, okay, there was a potential of them,
you know, rekindling their thing, but um, yeah, I'm I
just felt happy. I wanted really the best, And I
know that's probably not the answer you wanted. You wanted
it ain't because that's the good cop answer. I don't

(41:17):
want the bad cop answer. What is the bad cop
have to say? Uh? Bad cop? U just I guess
stay tuned. Pretty much, That's all I could say, because
that was at that plots thickening. One plot that wasn't
particularly thick was this elimination because I appreciate how um

(41:43):
suspenseful the footage tried to make it see yes, but
um watching Thor just sit back, relaxing, chilling, all cool,
shooting some bee ball outside of the school, while Tommy
was really struggle. What do you think it was like
if either of you were down there, what would you

(42:04):
have done differently? It didn't seem like he had much
of a fighting chance. What was happening? I think Banana
said at one point, He's like, Tommy, you gotta squat
down and like hand over hand in the sense and
he was just trying to yank it. But i'd also
let her hit the water, which that was mud too,
that he should have just while he could like held
that and then like I would have tried to turn

(42:26):
up your body in it or something anything, because Tommy
is smaller, but he's all legs like he's strong. We
saw the talking. Yeah, we also saw the what in
the I believe I could fly in the Daily Challenge
because what was that? I was? It was literally his
was a little embarrassed because what has happened. Grabbed the flag?
He could have grabbed it. That's the worst part. I mean,

(42:48):
I know he's a Broadway guy, but I mean it
wasn't the time for it. He should have broadened him
arms and grabbed the damn flag. That was wild. How
did it feel, Rossio? How satisfying was it seeing Tommy
and Elise and Elise go home after they backstabbed you
the week before? And were you still kind of holding
a grudge at that point or had you fully let

(43:08):
it go? Uh? I had to let it go in
a sense because I think I meant I said at
one point I said, I forgive, but I don't forget,
so like it wasn't exactly holding a grudge, but I knew, like,
all right, if it comes to to them like winning
a challenge or something, that's where I'm really going to
see where they lie. You know, if they're gonna throw
us in, then okay, then I see that you're complete

(43:29):
against us. Um. But watching them, it wasn't It wasn't
satisfactory to watch them like just go out like that
because it wasn't even a battle. Let's be honest, Like right,
it wasn't a battle. Yeah, And I'm like, at least
if you put on a fight, then they would have
been like all right, you know you go home with
with how do you say like unity? No? Yeah, dignity

(43:50):
or you know, looking looking high. I don't know how
you say it in English? Like say it in Spanish
with your head high. Yeah, she knew I speak. Let
me speak for myself. I am done that in the
house and Lisa, and then that could have been you
and I did speak Spanish. Listen the whole first week,
all he did would speak Spanish to me. I'm like, um, guty,

(44:13):
I gonna tell you. I'm not said I did everything
I could. No, I mean, I love to practice myself.
Man the best ad. All right, this is getting hot,
don't go anywhere. We need to take a quick break.
We'll be right back. I have a question. I know

(44:36):
we've we've already discussed Bessy and of course he called
you Bessie number two, possibly because of the women's situation.
But do you think he feels a little intimidated by
you because you're winning stuff this season? I would say yeah,
because you know, he's been there a couple of seasons
and stuff, and I'm guessing he used he's used to

(44:57):
having the attention on him. And I'm not saying I
have the attention on me. You you you are, you are
boyfriend number one to so many girls. It's almost as
if you're like pushing him in the background a little bit.
It's what I'm grassing. You know. It might be a
little intimidation, how you feel? No, yeah, I think so.

(45:17):
And then him being so so dominant, like physically right,
he's such a big guy, like he's like probably a
footballer of them and stuff, and he's so used to
being dominant, and I'm like, all right, you know, I
don't care how big you are. I'm here to compete
and if I could push it to the side, then later, man,
not just you, but including everybody that was there. I
mean they didn't know they saw you kicking that football,
but they don't know about I just called it a football.

(45:40):
It's soccer ball, but football. I know that, y'all. I
know that my Latin mind. Um, but you got moves
and feet and things and agility that you bring something
completely different like your show. Tell the people how long? Yeah?
That except blown? That was a long one. I was

(46:01):
actually in there for six months and it was every
single day. I was going out there competing at least
two to three times a day, and you know, every
single day was obstacle courses. It wasn't anything like the
rope climbing and stuff, but it made me have to like,
all right, I gotta be I gotta be quick here,
I gotta be able to move here. And then outside
of it, I was doing Spartan races, and Spartan is

(46:24):
really you know, it's all the every that what we
saw in that second challenge with the rope, that's exactly
what Spartan races. So that's why I was like this
in my playground, like let's go wow. And I'm sure
Fessi's a great football player, but if he just sticks
to football and lifting weights, you know, you gotta kind
of get out of your comfort zone and do something

(46:44):
better and just be kind of a hybrid athlete. That's
kind of I see it, and that's what I'm trying butterflies,
I'm having a flash. How it was not even need
to ask you how you trying to prepare for the
season because you got but didn't you speaking to Spartan races.
Isn't that how you met Olivia? Yeah? Well no, I

(47:05):
didn't meet her to Spartans. We did. No, we we
definitely competed in some Spartans, but we we met out
here and I'm actually in feelings right now, and that's
how we met because I was studying out here in
GCU and that's where we see you were studying. So
you're smart, you're strong, well rounded, got good hair and

(47:26):
if it is blonde right now, Arassio is good hair.
Now we know why you're poppy, pa content. Okay, right,
As a matchmaker, I want to let you know. So
she's putting all this sounds like like she's getting it.
She's gonna line you up, some women, she is lining
them up. I mean it sounds like he already has
a line. So I'm gonna let but yeah, but he
has like a VIP like quick pass line. We need

(47:49):
to put the VIPs in the quick pass, not the
fat the disney Land fast lane, yes, or like the
or like the carpool lane. We need people, there would
be a specific type of car to get in that lane.
Aside from your dating strategy and all the women. I now,
I just want to watch this this rest of the
season just so I could say, I love life plays

(48:11):
out a rassio. But for the fans who were watching
who want to know, because I was thinking this too,
having been in a draw before. But the draw that
we were in was better because there was only one
kill card. So so instead of pulling one safe, you
had all of these options and you had one opportunity
to pull the thing that's going to put you down

(48:31):
in there, and this was the reverse of that. Right,
So did you, at any point, and be honest the
show's over, did you have any strategy, especially since you
were down there multiple times? Was there like a pattern
you were starting to notice? How was that? I'm gonna
be on I try, because like I said, I lived
down there in the zone. Every single time I was
down there and trying to pick the safe dagger, and

(48:53):
I would stare so hard at every single dagger. I'm like,
there's gotta be a difference. There's gotta be a slight
little and I never was able to catch on. And
then I try to remember, like, okay, this first like
two eliminations or three eliminations. It was in the middle
of anyone was over here, so you start trying to
like pink the pattern. Yeah, exactly. It didn't work. It

(49:13):
didn't work, and I just I couldn't get it. It
was just a matter of finding that magic that Durrell
said he mentioned the show. He's like, I gotta find
that magic. I never found it either. If it's meant
to be, then all right, cool, we're safe. If not,
let's go in. I was never scared of going in.
That's kind of how my mind set every single time.
And I would just tell Olivia because she was always

(49:33):
so like, oh, like maybe we do this. We could
you know, we could save them or they could save us.
I'm like, forget about it, be ready to go in,
and just went period. That's all we gotta do. You're
currently so far this season holding the title of Rookie
of the Year, right, Yes, what type of pressure is
that on you? If at all any pressure? Are you
just like duh, like what is it you? Um No,

(49:59):
it's definitely some pressure, but not that tide don't necessarily
a Rookie of the Year. It's more like not letting
Olivia down and letting myself down and things that I'm like,
I know we could do this, I know we could
win this. And in the moment, you know, it's it's
weird to watch it back and you're like, wow, it's
you relive those emotions. But in the moment, it's like,

(50:20):
I didn't care about the Rookie of the Year or
I'm like, oh, I'm tooling up. I didn't care about that.
I was just like, all right, we gotta take it
day by day and you know, if it comes down to,
all right, we went back to elimination, we didn't win
this challenge, just take it on the chin and keep
walking forward because that's that's what we're here to do.
And you know, now it's like, wow, I'm I'm so

(50:42):
happy that everything happened the way it did. But I'm like, wow,
I feel a pressure now now that I'm outside of
the show. But in the moment, it was just more
like I didn't want to let Olivia down and myself down.
It was just that that's really sweet. If you get
the call, would you come back one hundred? Yeah and done.

(51:04):
My Crystal, my crystal ball. I feel like, I mean,
I feel like you're going to be one of those
people that, like George, sticks around. Yeah, like my partner.
That's amazing, it is. I mean, just to hear it,
I saw you. We spend enough time together that like you. Yes,
you are a terrible loser. I mean you sulk and

(51:24):
you sit in the corner and there any ladies and gentlemen,
and oh yes, the one thing that's wrong with him, um,
he's a sulker. I will say that you are not
a great loser. You are not great at losing. But
that's just the competitive guy I know. And that's where
they would just sit there, just just both of them
in the sulk club in the corner, and I'm like, god,

(51:46):
come on, guys, I could have done it. I know
they were both in each other's minds like we could
have done better? Who are we fucked up? We must
run eighteen miles tonight and swim and waiting. Because that's
literally is I know I know him, which means I
know you by the transitive property. These angles are congroom
you and him? Are you were like a professor, younger

(52:09):
version of him with more abs and less tattoos. It
wasn't just a show that made you have those thoughts?
Or were you like that growing up with sports just
period like super harding yourself or was it just like
the show because sometimes the show bring out like dang
like man or or have you always been like that?
I've always been like that. I actually, uh, my parents
they make fun of me because when I was little
that I was playing soccer. I started like at five
years old, Um, I would lose, like my team would lose,

(52:33):
and I would start crying of anger because I'm like,
I'm like, I like why did we lose? Like why
can't I do more for us to win? And you know,
like obviously I don't. I don't cry anymore, but my
entire life I've just been do you not cry? Okay?
I cry? Yeah, but okay, but uh no, I've been
tears in this season. I manage it better. Where do

(52:55):
you think that comes from? ROSSI like, even I know
what you said, it started at five, But where do
you think or have you even thought about why even
at such a young age you felt a the confidence
that you could succeed which is great, but the need
that like you had to always come out on top. Yeah.
So I actually talked a little bit about this and
the Challenge and the Challenge House, and it's just I

(53:19):
have this, like I don't know why, this perception of
there's no such things as perfect, right as being perfect,
But I don't know why. In my head now I'm
kind of like leaning away from it now, but I
just want to be the best I can be and everything,
if it comes down to to sports, if it comes
down to how to treat women, how to treat your friends,

(53:41):
how to treat your family, how to be your the
best son, the best brother. I've always had that mindset,
and I don't know. Maybe I'm every I feel like
everybody lives their own like you know, movie in their head,
and sometimes maybe I believe it way too much and
I try to be too perfect if there's such because
I know I'm not, and that I would add that

(54:03):
pressure every single time that I'm like, Okay, I just
have to be everybody. I have to do this, and
not in a bad way, but just to prove to
myself like I could do this, I could be the
best I can be at absolutely everything, and you know
in the paths now that I've done, I've I've done
some mistakes, and you know it's like, bro, you can't
be shooting for there's no substance perfection, right. So so

(54:26):
like I think that's where my whole competitive nature came
came about. Because my parents they were they were always
very you know, very kill very laid back, like, hey,
you go out there, have fun, do the best you
can do. Um. But I just had this perception of
just I have to be different in some kind of way. Um.
And that's kind of I guess where it came from.

(54:47):
I think there it is you had to be different. Yeah,
you It's like I have to stand out in a
certain way. I mean, now you stand out just when
you walk into a room as you saw the Challenge
House and all those women drooling over you. But that
was a great answer. She was the index cards you're
reading off of, because that was just a little like
that was no I saw. You could have seen David's face, girl,

(55:07):
I feel like, going on, the heart's in your eyes,
do you see the girl? Just because he could be
just an asshole, But it's that honesty, what's the emotional intelligence.
It's not just on ability to self reflect and challenge
and all of that is amazing. And you're young, you know,

(55:29):
twenty six Okay, yeah, I mean that's young in my eyes,
but well I'm twenty one. So you know, what is
on her background? I get kicked her background. Seeing her
background shows you that she lies. She is not on
a beach. There are no palm trees in your background,

(55:51):
so we give no problem trees in your backyard. There
are also no new vets. At the end of this episode,
Anissa and Rassio, how are you feeling when you TJ
tries to psych you all out? But how are you
feeling when you realize no new additions are coming into
the house At this point, slightly relieved, but also kind
of upset because we could have just thrown them right

(56:13):
into a limiting No. I was like, let's get out
of here, let's everybody, let's go, let's go back to
the house, because yeah, like I said, we were busting
our butt every single time to get people out, and
then you bring somebody else, a stronger pair potentially, and
I'm like, oh, do you It was like the challenge
that never ended, because yeah, really, yeah, in actuality, if

(56:35):
you look at it we had thirty two players, because
would you show up? You're like, why are there only
twenty six people here? I don't know why. We had
so many conspiracy theories going on, like coming into the
house whatever, But it was a relief I think, Arassio
you could feel the same way, like we were putting
in so much work, Like no one saw you go
into elimination twice or be down at the Daggers, which
is almost being an elimination right each time. So it's like,

(56:58):
you've worked so hard to establish yourself in this game
and keep your You and Olivia have been keeping your
pair alive. Yeah, in the sand. So it's hard when
a new team comes in, whether their vets or not.
And Tory said, well, now the game is really starting,
and that's kind of true. Yes, this could be a
conspiracy theory, but do you think that, okay, roll here,

(57:20):
do you think that TJ finally stopped bringing new people
in and said, Okay, the game can really begin because
Nelly t finally won a daily challenge. I mean, it's
a theory. I don't but but maybe DJ's like, Okay,
finally this man, you know, is warmed up. Now the
game can begin let I don't know, and I know

(57:46):
y'all were there, so of course watching an episode back,
you already knew what time it was. But I fus
y'all foughtt was going to come from the back, and
I was like, here we go, here we go. Listen,
that would have we so let me let me give
you a little secret. Then no one else. So Veronica
gets there and I'm like, oh, my booze, here an
older person that like not an older person, but older

(58:07):
woman of my caliber is here. I can have wine,
we can talk shits. I know what's not gonna go
anywhere because she's not petty, Like we both are petty LaBelle,
but you're the same level of petty. You understand. And
I'm so yes. And I was so grateful to have
her in Durell there because that was like it felt
like home. Right. So she got there and she was like, Anissa,
I gotta tell you, CT and car are coming. I'm

(58:29):
like what. I was like, you're fucking getting right. She
was like, no, that's happening. I said, well listen because
laurel Uh was like, ah, she's not Nope. There were
there were so many people that like if Sarah came
if if like would have ruffled a lot of feathers,
and people were like, I will walk off this stage
if this person shows up. And I'm like, well, what

(58:49):
am I gonna do if we quit? I mean not
saying those two, but I'm saying there are some people
that really have these be Do you relax? How would
have stayed? Jordan and I would have stayed regardless. But
we sat there and I was like, oh, she was like.
Later on we were having drinks, she goes, Okay, I'm
just kidding. But if you could just spread that room
around the house. So we started to spread this so

(59:11):
they were coming, and we only could keep it going
for about twenty four to twenty five hours because people
really get like up in arms about ship. Yeah, people
that were really like absolutely not like ct his presence
coming into a house like that, and with the challenges
we did this season, he would have killed all of them.
They fun with the ball. They should have let him

(59:31):
come in the whole brawl, that jumping off the thing.
He's like a frog. He would have sent his partner
flying the flag. Yeah, he is. He has ups. Imagine
how far you would have pushed Carra. Oh my gosh,
it's like she would they would have been they would
have collected all three flags. You would have done an
ell shape rassio. Yeah, we're having so much fun with you,

(59:52):
aren't you proud by the way, I've gotten better at
saying it all right, I says properly, Poppy, I forgive
you content. Okay, Um, we're making improvements, all right, We're
making headway. Uh. We do have a final game for
you now that we have psychologically, uh you know, analyzed you,
and we have gotten you to tell about what happens

(01:00:13):
in the house. Um, we now want to challenge you
about your ride or die. So we have three questions
for you about your ride or die, Olivia. And since
you say that your writer dies, we just want you
to prove it. Okay, Phone number one. What did Olivia
say were her two biggest fears in this episode? Oh?

(01:00:38):
Heights and look good job? Oh okay, bring it. Who
did Olivia win Love Island with? Um? This guy Corey?
Apparently he's not that cool? Oh oh yeah, yeah, I
don't know, correct answering. Thank you for the extra information.

(01:01:00):
Cory on cool, Cory on cool, Cory. There you go,
Corey with the kids. T shirt. There we go, and
then number three. If you get this one correct, Arasio,
we will have Laure'll give you a call and blow
you a kiss. Uh. Let's see what is the state
What is the state bird of the state that Olivia

(01:01:21):
is from. So first you need to know the state
that she's from, and then you need to know the
name of the state bird, and you go. We were
on video your phone down. Okay, don't Olivia last night.
She is from Alaska and the state bird is the

(01:01:43):
if you know men, but that I know, I mean,
is it true question? Is there a yes? Yes? Every
every as a bird, which is I don't know why
it's a bird, what it is? I mean, I'm gonna
go with uh, I just have to go with the eagle.
I guess the ball. I don't know. Okay, first of

(01:02:04):
all wrong but really wrong. Good, Yes, the eagle like
the national the national bird. That's what I was like,
all right, well you know what that actually works? Then
it does not work. This is why you can ever
be tj Anissa. You're wrong, But Dasso, I appreciate you trying.
And while this is a random ask question, we're actually
doing you a favor because if you have not seen

(01:02:25):
TJ's trivia. You never know when he's going to ask
something crazy as hell, or he might ask you something normal,
like what do Australians speak and bananas will say Dutch.
But you could also ask something really wild. Now the
correct answer is a willow. I don't know how to
pronounce the last part of it. But Charmick's a willow.
It's a little bird with the brown. Then eat you

(01:02:45):
up in these comments? Are you know I don't even
know what a willow looks like. I mean you definitely
google that obviously. Don't worry about what how I find anythings.
Just know that I know them. Charmigan Is this silent charmigan? Yeah? Yeah,
I think yeah, oh maybe that is how you see
you are. So it's a good linguist, Anissa, Thank you
good with language and worn and I got that Spanish.
You know what I'm saying. Hit me up for Spanish lessons.

(01:03:09):
I'm here, okay, I could teach you Spanish one through
three to five. There you go, and if you want
to continue, you talk to yes, continuing education. Yeah, Poppy pante.
Is there anything else that you want to share with us?
Or you're loyal? You have a new legion of fans,
sir as this rookie coming out the game on fire,

(01:03:33):
doing it so well and so far, doing it with
grace and not getting your hands messy. Um. A lot
of people just really are rooting for you, connect with you,
are excited by you in more than one ways. Is
there anything that you want to tell them before we
wrap it up? Anything else we should know? No, I mean,
if anything, I can't say thank you enough. It's it's

(01:03:53):
been a very amazing start of the season. Um. I know,
like my personality, like I said, being on the quiet,
more timid side, I'm like, you know, people are gonna
find me boring, and I'm like, it's the right. I
guess it's who I am. But uh, you know, it's
been very positive feedback and I appreciate it. All I
can say is like, stay tuned, because I mean, we're
only getting started, and I'm speaking for the entire challenge

(01:04:16):
and I'm speaking for for Olivia and myself. We're only
getting started with this, and I don't know, just thank
you really because it's been it's been amazing. It's been amazing, amazing, amazing,
and hopefully this helps me get out of my shell.
A little bit more because I know my communication is
not the not the best, but you're doing it fine. Yeah,
I was blown away because I was like, I wonder

(01:04:38):
how he's going to be in his interviews. You were great.
I was I don't care how timid you think you are,
shy or whatever, like yeah, you can still narrate ship yes,
and then you can't cask like whatever, like you could
tell a story. So for me, I'm pleasantly surprised, and
I feel like you and Liver definitely called me back.
And this is a good season. You guys are definitely

(01:04:59):
standouts and I cannot wait to see the rest of this. No,
thank you, thank you, thank you. Don't cut yourself out
in the in the fun side, you are fun. The
melody is part of what makes you even more attractive. Probably,
i'd say at this point right like the way you're
so humble just about thank you and humility is sexy.

(01:05:19):
The only reason I mentioned like the whole like being
more quiet. I think I'm a different person when it
comes to being speaking Spanish. Um. That goes back to
even like connecting with Laurel. Like I, like I said,
I was able to just be myself where else maybe
something I say, something I say in Spanish will be funny,

(01:05:40):
but if I try to translate in English, it's like, no,
it doesn't it doesn't make sense, not funny. Just so
that's that's one of the reasons why, you know, coming
into this whole challenge life, I was like, I don't know.
I don't know how I'm gonna do because my previous show,
my entire life, it's always been funished. And so you know,

(01:06:03):
so far, so good, and hopefully it keeps only just
getting better. I think I think you did very well. Yeah,
I think you did very well in this interview. So
definitely kudos to you because you've done very well in
this interview. So thank you for coming to hang out
with us. Man, Like we so laid back over here,
We crack jokes, we get to the root of everything.
Wearing the zip up sweatshirt. It makes the house again.

(01:06:26):
I was actually going to come come on this shirtless,
but I'm like, no, why would I do that. You met,
we could have saw what the hype was about it.
I got a little piggy peak pink what the hype
was about? See where can the people find you on
social media? So I'm only on Instagram, um with my

(01:06:46):
full name, and I know it's getting very complicated, so um,
just like that all together. I know it's very complicably
say it one more time. Yeah, that hype wasn't. I
wasn't comp it wasn't complicated. Spell it, No, it wasn't.
It just sounds good when he said, can you say
it one more time? Yeah? Oh my god. So that's

(01:07:07):
that's where I'm at. Also, not too big on like
I'm not a big social media person, but once again
getting out of that comfort zone and hoping to grow
in every kind of way possible. So we'll see what
what happens. You got to go because you set a
niece on fire. No hour and hour I mean I
did go to the gym before this interview, so problem.

(01:07:31):
But we appreciate you being here. Certainly can't wait to
watch the rest of your story unfold. And thank you
for joining us no no on the podcast. Thank you
so much for having me. It was a pleasure, and
you know, like I said, it'll be fun to keep
watching and hearing you you all do your things, So
thank you. Thank you. The podcast. Oh yeah, I've heard

(01:07:53):
I've heard previous podcasts for sure. Yeah, yeah, check that.
He didn't watch the show, but he heard the pot.
Check that out. Thank you, Rassio, have an amazing day
and take care all right. By wow, oh wow, that

(01:08:27):
was a phenomenal interview with the great I'm we're gonna
call it now he is a baby goat, he's a
go in training. That was phenomenal. Ladies, so much fun. Now,
your instagrams may not be as hot as Harassios, but
you know they're cool too. So if the people want
to follow you, Um, Anissa, let's start with you. Where
where can they follow you on social? I mean I'm

(01:08:48):
trying to change it back to Anissa Ferrara. That is spicy,
but it's just Anissa MTV for now. On Instagram. I
am on Twitter, but I hate it there, um hate it.
It's it's for Davon only and a little bit of Devon,
but it is not for me. I remember the days
you used to tweet me or retweet me. Davon. Where

(01:09:08):
can they find you on Twitter? Um? Her home on Twitter? No,
you can find me on Twitter at Dave Davon Underscore, Instagram,
Davon Diane Underscore And until I'll blow some videos, we're
gonna leave it right there. Wait, like to also tell
everyone that Davon and Devon just followed me. Wow, I

(01:09:31):
thought I followed a Nisa long time ago. I really did,
and then I was teaching Davon about it and realized
I didn't. Y'all. Wait, yeah, I saw her following me.
After that, I was like, wait, wait a minute, n
you do a healing podcast. We healed and hesa still broken,
Like I don't appreciate it. I'm okay. Now I've had
a week. I've had a week. I haven't seen you guys.

(01:09:54):
You know that I feel better now. We're growing in
real time, you guys. You can also follow me on Instagram.
That's Devin's simone, Devin with the why Simone with an eye.
You can follow me on TikTok at Devin Simone as well.
Actually no you can't because TikTok's the hater and they
kicked off that account. You can follow me on TikTok
at Devin Underscore Simone. Follow me on Twitter at Devin Simone. Uh.
And yeah, that's pretty much YouTube. My YouTube is the

(01:10:16):
same as Daven so it's fine. I have more videos,
though video videos I need to put in some more
videos for sure, um we should any video would be great.
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