December 23, 2021 • 52 mins
Tori and Aneesa are joined by the hilarious Devin Walker to unpack this week's reunion episodes, give out awards for the best (and worst) performances this season, and finally decide on the biggest Spies, Liars and Allies from this season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi guys. I'm Tory, and A'minissa, and I'm Devin Walker
and I'm back for a second time with the Challenge
Podcast twice in one season, record breaker accolades staffing. Let's go. Yes,
I'm finally getting what the viewers are asking for And
this is MTV's official Challenge podcast where we go behind
the scenes of the Challenge Spies, Lies and Allies and
(00:23):
this week, Spies, Lies and Alice has finally come to
a close. Yes and Dave Max himself is joining us
to discuss the reunion, recount some of our favorite moments
from the season, and give out some superlatives to our
fellow challengers. Couldn't be happier. Our third co host is here, folks.
(00:53):
Let's get in Oh, let's get you know, let's get
in it. Yeah, let's get into that. Let's get let's
let's getting let's get in it. In there, all right,
happy to be back, Thanks for having me. What I mean,
can you think of three better people to unpack an
absolute whirlwind season? Because I can't I know? Reunion God,
(01:16):
thank god you're here. Yeah, we needed some big dick
energy on the podcast. Whoa I mean? Like, I don't
know but I don't know about that. But I mean
the energy. I'm talking the energy, you know. Yeah, yeah,
I gass it up a little minute. I'm here for you.
We need we need the energy. You know, our big
dick energy clearly wasn't enough. All these steroids we've been taking.
Oh thank god, and they're big dicks, just weren't doing it.
(01:41):
Calling a third party. Oh god, we're so happy about this.
I mean, we're getting one step closer for you to
also be the official host of this podcast with us.
We just got to keep hacking away at that statue. Okay,
it's a monument that we're going to tear down, baby steps,
one pot at a time. Well, we're off to a
(02:02):
great start. Yeah you really are, you really are? I agree.
I'm so happy to have you. I want to dive
into this reunion if I can head first, feet first first.
Which way do you go into this reunion? Because there
was a lot of shit going on? I think we
should probably ask nell Eet if we're looking for diving advice. Yeah,
(02:23):
I'd probably be the guy i'd go to. He'll just
hand us a life jacket. He'll hand us a life
jacket and he'll say, get down there. That's what he does, yeah,
is to get down there with a life jacket nell
et a ka and then just doesn't say anything after. Yeah,
that was one of my best I don't want to
get to ahead of ourselves here, but my favorite moment
(02:45):
of the reunion was Tori, what about Kel's AKA that
stands we're also known as You have got to say
something after you say AKA. You can't just leave it
there AKA silence. Yeah, no, that's actually not Yeah, let's
just get down to the needy greedy won't wait? Yeah? Yeah,
(03:08):
So who was the best dressed at this reunion? It's
a tough call. I don't know. A Rash was giving
me pit bull vibes. I thought Josh was dressed really well.
I really loved that Nick greens and the pearl necklace.
I loved it. Courtesy of Emmanuel Um. I think Big
(03:30):
Tea looked marvelous in that dress. Tatcha also m Yeah.
I think they were giving me like Housewives of challenge. Yeah,
the Housewives of the Challenge. I'm gonna to wear a
dress next time. Yeah, wait, can I give can I
give you a little background on a few of these outfits,
because before we got to the fucking reunion. There was
(03:52):
this whole deal. It was like, all right, me and
Kyle came in second place, we're gonna worst over. Devin
and Emmy came came in third place. They're gonna wear bronze,
and then of course Casey and CT came in first,
they're gonna wear gold. The only people who did it
was me when Emmy, Emmy's bronze looked like like like
the deep brown, Okay, it wasn't a bronze, it was
(04:15):
it was a copper. And then Devin, when we called
him out on it, he goes, no, there's bronze in here.
There was like there was like a dark purple dot
on his tie. Yeah, there was. There was definitely some
shades of bronze in there. God so funny. I was
planning on wearing a full bronze suit, straight Hunger Game
(04:35):
style with big flames and everything. Uh, and I couldn't.
I didn't know for sure if I was going to
be able to get into Amsterdam because I was having
h COVID regulation issues. So I got approved like last minute,
and then I couldn't bring my suit because it had
like a whole flame pack with it and I would up. Yeah,
(04:58):
it was a full torch suit. You're a lie. Yeah,
I know that part I made up, But other part
of my mouth was open the whole entire time. I
thought you meant like you made some like paper mache
wings and then painted them or just had like a
feather ensemble. Yeah, I should have made some wings. That's
what the next time. Next time, I think next time
(05:18):
everybody has to make their outfits that homemade out from
from recycled from recycled material from the house, or if
you're on on, like if you're in amsterdamn different location,
you know, dumpster dive, like just find random shit in
the streets of Amsterdam. Yeah, I'm coming in with a
(05:39):
lady on my back, somebody from the district. I like,
I like your dress. It's a person. She's like, thank you. Yeah,
the wrapper legs around it will be perfect. Holy fuck,
Holy if I can't handle this episode already on sweating
immediately arts there's a lot going on. Let's get off
(06:02):
of this topic because I can't handle any more information.
Um okay, so get into another hot thing. Let's talk
about Emmy and Burner, because we kind of start off
with this fight immediately, do you think, Devin, you know,
you were in the room. I was in the room.
Oh yeah, that Emmy was on the right side when
she sided with the Vets. I mean, the all I
had to see was that little clip where the Burn
(06:25):
did like the classic burn move, which is where she
like sat her down in that chair and like cornered
her and was like, are you taking CD And in
that moment, I was like, all right, you are the
Burn and you heard the intimidator, and you know at
that point also obviously not a bias viewer here, because
(06:48):
she fucking voted for my ass right before that. And
that's kind of what through the whole thing in motion
is when we were in there, they were you know,
secret votes, but they weren't secret votes. Your partner could
see the people next you could see. So CT saw
her vote for me, told me about it, and then
from that point I was like, all right, she's done,
so I'm gonna side with Emmy on this one good choice.
(07:10):
I think Emmy had to do what Emmy had to do.
And it's not even about who I like, It's more
about Emmy knew she's she knew she was a rookie, right,
she knew that she was going to have to go
in at some point and maybe keep going in. And
what do you do when you don't know how to
play a game, which I do think Emmy knows what
she's doing. Um, you get the best guy and you
(07:33):
latch onto him and then you perform well with him.
She did what she had to do. I'm tired of
like I've I've played a nice game for a long time,
and sometimes you just gotta make the right moves if
you ever want to win. Or look how far it
got her. Yeah, it would have got her even further
if my ass could fucking walk up a flood of stairs.
No you can. Don't you say that. I saw you,
(07:56):
But I know what you did do is solve those
fucking puzzles. Well, yeah, I mean the unsung hero of
that moment was the Hot Sauce signature. Yeah, that's one
of my favorite all time moments ever. It was. It's
because everyone always referenced his like making a deal with
the devil. We literally had her sign a cutting board.
(08:18):
We had her sign her freedoms away on a cutting
board with Saracha. They're like, you're with us now, yeah, period,
and that's it. We're gonna take you the promised land,
and we delivered. She did the right thing. I think.
I hate that. I hate that now, like it's a
whole like you know, calling people out and doing whatever.
But it's part of this. You know, this is what
we signed up for. Like, if you do something to
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hurt somebody's feelings, don't expect them to just take it
lying down, you know, no, for sure, And you know what,
let's call spade a state here. If she wouldn't have
done that, she probably would have been in that elimination
with Hughey climbing up that pole backwards. And let's let's
be real. Hughey's but was popping off that pole. So
there is no way he was getting up there with
that absolute heater he's got behind, There's no chance. No, Yeah,
(09:04):
there's so much heat. But you know what, I love Bernah.
So let's shout out to Berna. We still love you.
You're a fucking You're an awesome person. And uh, let's
keep it moving back on track. Let's let's talk about
Kyle because he swears he would split the money if
he won. How much money do you think that these
people would split? Do you think that FESSI would split
(09:25):
the money. No, twenty six dollars. Wait, it has to
go four ways. Sorry, sorry, symbolism behind this number. Yeah,
you all, you all get twelve, fifty, you get, you
all get fifty and a pair of Fessi socks. Yeah right,
we're like twelve thousand. No, no, no, twelve dollars branded
(09:49):
would I think Josh would definitely split it, Oh for sure,
Josh Wood Yeah, hell yeah. I don't know. I think
it really depends on the context of the victory, Like
it was so easy for uh, well, I don't know
if it was easy for them, but they made it
seem easy. I imagine it wasn't difficult for CT and
Casey to divvy it up because that group had really
(10:11):
played together for not the whole time, but definitely the
back half of the game. So I don't know. It's like,
if Fessie was there, under what circumstances did he get there?
Who's his partner? Right? All that shit goes into it,
So I don't think that it would have been as
easy of a decision for FESSI. Yeah, what about Amanda.
(10:32):
It's that I don't not only with people, I think
with Nelson and yeah, yeah, I think it depends on
the people. She may even give me ten bucks. So honestly,
CT and Kyle might have got a little loot two tour,
so he might have been the only one. Right. You
might have just been sitting on a goose egg there
(10:53):
at the end. Yeah, yeah, that that there's no Based
off the structure of the though Amanda was, it would
have been impossible for her to win, right, based off
the structure of this game, she would have had to
beat you and Casey or Nanni or Emmy or whoever
(11:14):
up that mountain and down. Well, she would have had
to even make it past the first wrestle she would
have wrestled. She would have been wrestled off. Well, she
could have she could have placed. If she'd gotten that
puzzle that I got, she might have had the top
two times. But do you think she would have carried that.
She's really short. There's no way she could have carried that.
What the missile, Yeah, it would have been so heavy
(11:36):
for her too with it at that point though, at
that point it was like your team, I think three
people could have done that, Like if if Nelson and
CT were on the same team. Yeah, right, you know
what I mean, it wouldn't have really mattered, so it
would have everything could jumble. But yeah, well who else
is going to be a greedy little thief? What about
Jesset Solo? Yeah, oh well yeah, you think you'd steal it? No,
(12:03):
I think I think he'd share it. Oh, for sure
he shared. Yeah, he's got it. He's definitely share it.
He's a new man now, nice guy. Actually he's Yeah,
and it doesn't hurt that he just won the last
one too, So I guess it could spare a couple
couple quarters for us as I saw the graphic. Actually,
and I think he has eclipsed Johnny for most prize money. One.
(12:26):
I believe he's somewhere around one point three million lifetime. Wow,
one point three maybe one point four? Wait, can I
tell you something real quick. I am not nothing to
be super proud of. But I hold the record for
the girl who's won the most money but hasn't won
a Challenge shamp title yet. That's and I've been the
person that's been paid the most money and I've never won.
(12:53):
Oh and he's a guy like you've only won twenty
seven thousand dollars. I'm like, that's what you think right right,
every Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what about Dave, Dave, you
definitely share it, no doubt in my mind. Oh I'm
a I'm a big splitter of money for several reasons.
(13:15):
I've done it. I've had the opportunity to steal twice.
One time I think it was twenty five, the other
time it was eighty five or ninety five. Oh no,
it was like one hundred and ninety and then we
got we got ninety five. Um. Either way, I feel
like if you steal the money, you're kind of fucked
for a lot of reasons, but mainly because you're giving
(13:38):
money so much power in that moment that's hard to
shake and kind of for the rest of your life
you have to associate like victory and feeling good with
the monetary value. And I would never want to embark
on that journey where money like ruled that. That's that's
a trap, easy trap. They lay it all over the
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world and a lot of people fall into it, and
it works for some people, it doesn't work for others.
But I would never want to even I would never
even want that trap to work for me. Fuck that
splitting the money, Yeah, same, I'm with that. Anissa what
about you, I mean, guys, you know me, Yeah, you'd share.
I'd be trying to give it to production like with me.
(14:21):
You no, TJ. I mean, I'd maybe buy him a
new guitar. But TJ is making his own money. Yeah. Yeah, listen.
I also want to talk about now that we're done
talking about the money, I want to talk about something
that happened in this reunion that completely shook me. Me
and Tatcha hugging on the stage. I loved it. Oh moment,
(14:42):
my god, I was. I was so nervous about this
reunion because you know, Tacha is a very strong, like
powerful person when she talks you just like I mean,
I I'm like, oh my god, what is she gonna say?
Look at deer in headlights? I'm like, fuck, what is
she gonna say to me? And she just like she
was so cool about that thing. Like obviously time had
passed than we were able to all like sittle, settle down.
(15:02):
You know that word settle that I like to use. Yes,
it's when you're settling and sitting. Yes, yeah, why don't
you take a seat and settle down and settle yourself?
Don't you have a skittle and settle taste the rainbow.
You know, Oh fuck, I'm happy that it did show
(15:24):
that because you did. You were talking about growth and
everything else, and I think that's really important, as you know,
we've been on our journey as challenges for people to
see how far we've come and that we're not like
these stagnant, small creatures. But it's also like maybe you
should take some better notes too, like we're still have
to work on politics. We need to take a class
(15:46):
on politics, because yeah, you need to try A sweatshirt
is a lot for me. Yeah, it's called it's called
a silent retreat. I actually did one before this season
and it paid dividends because your boy has also put
(16:07):
himself in some some interesting situations by saying too much.
H's out. I'm an idiot sometimes, so you know, it's
like that just live and learns. All of us though
it's what happens, and you know what, it sucks to
watch it back on TV and relive it and have
to fucking deal with it for the next six months.
After you do something, it's like God, like normal people
don't have to do this. They're just like, oh shit,
(16:27):
that was shitt You gotta change, we gotta live through
it publicly and we got so most people actually just
make up a different version of what happened in their
heads so that they're not wrong at all. They're like yeah,
they're like, wait a minute, I didn't do that. It's
like you're way out a line. It's like, no, there's
just a camera watching you. No. But we're seeing that
(16:49):
right now with Casey and Amber, and Amber's like, well
you said this. She was like, I don't trust you.
I feel like there's no other way to say I
don't trust you, but saying I don't trust you. Yeah.
I think that a Big Brother in general creates really
paranoid Challengers, and Fessie has admitted to being paranoid. Josh
(17:11):
has said several times that he's paranoid. Ambert has shown
that she's paranoid. I think Casey had a little bit
of that, like with the not trusting thing. I think
that that game, in the style of that game, just
leads to paranoia in other games down the road. And
there are similarities between Big Brother and The Challenge. So,
I mean, I know we're all get paranoid, but I
(17:33):
see it personally. I see it especially in players that
have played that game. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
I think that it was also really interesting to see
Casey kind of like crack her shell and cry a
little bit because she's somebody who keeps her self so
unlock and like, I mean, it was really interesting to
see that because obviously she's just a person that has
feelings about people outside of the game. But you could tell,
(17:55):
like she said, she loves people, but she also loves
the game, so there's always going to be that divide
in her of like being and being very calculated and
then at the same time remembering that these are people
playing the same game. So that was a really interesting moment.
I love that she admitted how she played the game.
She was like, I'm careful about every single thing I do. Yeah,
And I'm like, yeah, duh, we knew that, Casey. Yeah,
(18:17):
it does. But a lot of focus and she's got it. Yeah.
Do you think that the Big Brother Alliance is done? No?
Oh my god, that's the question in a century. It's
it's certainly is. Yeah. Oh, it's got a hairline. Yeah,
(18:40):
she definitely needs to be splinted. Yeah, someone get him
a sling. How many more medical jokes can we might
need a little rehabilitation. Yeah, get him in, get him
in a rehab program. I don't know. I don't know
if that. I don't think Bessie, Josh, and Casey will
ever waiver um no. Yeah, but it's always kind of
(19:02):
it's never really been the Big Brother Alliance. It's been
the Josh, Festi and Casey alliance and the right Whoever,
which is a name for it. Yeah, but it also
I think we have to take into account if they're
all three there together, because if they're not, then that's
a totally different situation. Right, and they're to come to
(19:23):
Mexico with us for the Mexico Alliance. Who I already
am making shirts. I have a template for the shirt. Yes, yes,
you're not gonna want to miss it. No, let's talk
about CT and FESSI and this boxing match. Would you
guys watch it if it went down? Who do you
think would be nervous? I'd be nervous to watch, like
it would probably bring back some painful memories. I don't know.
(19:46):
I feel like CT would busses ass just because I mean,
Fessi's a strong boy and he's big, but CT just
doesn't miss like he has more co ordination. I feel
like he's like because he's bottom heavy too. Like for
boxing especially like you need to be quick on your feet,
but you have to have balance right, you know, and
be able to dodge shit and just doesn't matter if
(20:10):
you can dodge it. The statistics would be interesting, especially
if they if they met, like at a catchweight, meaning
Fessi would have to drop weight. CT would have to
put some on um for that for it to be
like in the actual boxing world, for that to happen,
there would be a lot of things that need to
go down. And then you gotta wonder how many rounds
(20:31):
are they wearing headgear, what weight are the gloves, because
all that shit plays into who's got a bigger advantage.
You gotta give problem. You probably have to give CT
the nod on if they're have the same what nine
months to train or whatever. It's like a real fight.
But right now I've been seeing Fessi. I'm obviously a
(20:52):
Fessi hater. I don't hate him, but I am a
hater by nature of things that he does love it,
and he's been training, he bet in the fucking gin
and he's he's look at his form. He's looking a
lot better that Ja. He's slipping that jab a little quicker,
so right now, I'd probably give him the no hooks.
Hooks are really nice. He's killing a lot of power shots,
(21:13):
killing it down in Orlando. I just I think, I
just think from knowing ct and seeing him in fights, yeah,
there is just that switch and he can be He's
a dangerous man, bust and by his ass, so you know. Yeah,
so I don't think he'll ever do it. But should
we talk about more fights, more verbal fights. Let's talk
(21:34):
about Amanda calling out of Manuel for wanting a callback.
M m. I mean he was wearing a grill out there.
He had a grill on too, Yeah, with his Prince costume. Yeah,
come listen. I want to say this though, and I
think that and maybe I'm just a little biased because
I obviously am not friends with Amanda and because you know,
(21:57):
I had sex with a Manuel's bunk. But what I
think is what I think is bum his bok. Listen
to me, that's not true. It's a lie. What I
think is like when you're somebody who comes from Romania,
I've been to Romania, and you have dreams of being
on American TV show and you get that opportunity. Why
are you not going to try everything you can do
(22:18):
to keep that opportunity. So like it's like, oh, like,
don't use me for a callback, But like if I
were him, I would do whatever I had to do
to get a callback because that's his dream. Like she
doesn't know where he comes from, like she's never seen Romania. Yeah,
but I don't think his prince outfit is he's a
great competitor, He's agile as fuck, and he was one
of the only rookies that was murdering his interviews. Yeah,
(22:40):
it seemed like a stretch. That is, people have rebuttal
talking points that they recycle in arguments that they know
will you know, kind of be like a silencer, and
that is one of the things that everybody in this
world does if somebody comes at you on Twitter or whatever,
is the using me for a callbacks in general. So
(23:01):
I don't even think that she I think that was
more of like a like conditioned response. I don't think
that was that, Yeah you know what I mean, Yeah,
she just kind of threw it out there. Yeah, you
know what else I loved, which I didn't love that,
but I did love this t J calls in and
he calls out Amanda for not climbing up the ladder.
That was pretty great. Come on, yeah, I will say though,
(23:25):
I've got to say this. I told her as to
fucking jump down and do not come back up here. Yeah,
because I knew the exact strategy, which was not. He
almost fell for it. Everyone was holding there. She's like, oh,
they're letting me go. I was like, yeah, they're letting
you get to the other side so you can get
one of the capsules and then they can destroy never
know in the rules. Yea. In the water now, it
(23:51):
was it was some murky water. To be fair, there
was we had some there was some baby some some
pollutants over there in Croatia. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah,
it wasn't good. Didn't feel good, but you know it
did feel good. Emmy performing Alien and Devin's dancing with
the Antenna on Absolute Fire. I was happy because after
(24:16):
all that drama, you then you have this thing and
Tori you talked about it before. You've been to Romania.
We I've talked to Emmy about her life there and like,
you know, it's nice that she gets to gets to
show what she can do when she really loves music
and it's what she wants to do. She's also a
great challenger too, so I'm happy that we could just
(24:37):
come full circle and have her do that. Yeah, I agree.
She may actually be an alien though that we could
have been an actual confession, could have been confession. It's like,
I'm not actually from Romania. It's actually a planet. Your
spaceship got lost. I just wanna, I just I have
(24:59):
some notes here and I just oh, yeah, so I
missed one of my notes. It was pertinent at the
time we moved on. I just want to go back.
I actually have Fessi's boxing name. Oh, I figured it out.
He is, uh Fessie the lonely Man. She fot, Yeah,
are going to be a lonely man, which is a
(25:24):
fire name. I think you should really take it. It's
a fi lonely man. Shot. I think if that's his lesson,
but yeah, he he just said shot. I just thought,
I mean, I, okay, you said it right the first time. Yeah,
I had it right the first time. Either way, he's
the lonely Man. Yeah, he's going by the lonely Man
now anyway, OHLM. I hope he doesn't become a serial killer.
(25:48):
Because then he would be Yeah, the lonely man killer,
you creep? Any other notes? Yeah, I've got a few more,
want me to cycle through? Yeah, I would love let's
see what you got? All right? Great? I also wanted
to touch quickly on Uh, Tory and touches awkward handshake. Uh.
They we played that during the reunion. Yeah, you should
(26:11):
have known that that deal was up to a bad start.
He stopped that hand interaction. I think he went for
a dap. I think he went for a shake. I've
been there. It's awkward and U yeah, that's kind of
how that went. Um. Then we've also got something I
(26:32):
never noticed. There was span of copita in the oven
during pizza Gate, and I just wanted to say that
those so good. Yeah, and they're a smaller size, they're
more sham so maybe less frozen pizzas, more spana copita
for those that don't know, it's it's it's it's very delicious.
(26:53):
Oh it's crumbling and nice flaky crust. Yes, um yeah,
and then uh, I also wanted to just say that
I think Nelson should have a dating show called Nellie
t Looking for Love in all the Wrong Places. Yes, yes,
and we can we take it. Ok yeah, okay, deep diving,
(27:15):
deep diving, all all different scenes but just bad places.
Pres having a date in the ocean, no life, Jack.
Let's get into some awards to give out from this season.
(27:36):
Um Play of the season, What do you think the
best athletic move from the entire season was CT on
the balanced thing, laying it under the radar? Yeah, I
think that was. It doesn't have to be the best.
Oh well, that could have been the dirtiest deed best
politic move for sure. That goes to because dirty seed
(27:57):
the best political move. So I'd say, yeah, the CT
I'm sorry, okay, play of the season. Play of the
season could have been that that day when he won,
when he won the entire challenge by himself single handedly. Yeah,
so everybody's gonna call him the best player, yeah right,
and the Best Player Challenge award suspensefult I would say though, Also,
(28:23):
um Ester's helicopter performance was incredibly impressive. I think they
got like all but three of those uh diamonds and
uh and obviously you know, FESSI played college football. We know,
so he's used to catch him stay. She was putting
(28:45):
him right on him, and that was I thought that
was pretty impressive. Well that and once she had to do, um,
the one where we were hanging upside down. She did
an awesome job reprieving the codes for that too. Yeah,
and she was like, um, the way I went to
law school. It was like, oh yo, yeah, all right,
well what are we thinking of the year? Yeah, okay,
(29:06):
we already know who that is. Emmy hands down, no doubt.
Four eliminations makes it to a final wins fifty K
is listening to Devin's rant up the mountain saying it's
been living long and hard, baby, living long and hard
while running up the final I wonder know if the
fun that was about, Dave? What were you? What was
(29:28):
going on in that conversation? Okay, a little explaining I
need to do here. So when they said you have
to finish the race in order to qualify for cash,
I pretty much knew, all right, I have to. I
definitely can't fuck this up because I'm not going back
up here, and if I'm up there and I'm real tired,
(29:49):
I might fuck up the code. So let me just
take my time, thinking it's the best strategy because I'm
never going to beat Kyler CT and A foot race.
I'm not going to beat your casey in a foot race, honestly,
probably not beating any So I had one opportunity, which
was that you guys had to fuck up the coat.
Um and racing killing myself to come and last anyways
(30:13):
didn't make any sense. So I was like, let me
take my time. If they mess the coat up, then
we got a legitimate chance. If they don't win third place,
hopefully someone gives me some cash. And yeah. At that point, um,
I was having some flashbacks to my party days and
you know, I have lived fast and hard and uh,
I'm trying to go up a big mountain. Uh you
(30:34):
know those those things. Those things come back, they they do,
you know, and having flashbacks on your way up the mat.
Not proud, but you know, the mobs, a montage of
Devon in the seventies and just suffering. But I was.
(30:56):
I was suffering that whole time. It was everyone's like,
oh man, this feels so good. Everyone always says that
about working out. I'm like, no, this fucking sucks. Yeah.
So yeah, that was just a genuine truth. To go
back to one other play of the season, obviously, like
this wasn't anything that won you anything, but you memorizing
the entire twenty digit code is something to be, something
(31:18):
to be acknowledged. That was I knew Louie the drone
thing when he was like do zoo zero zero and
you guys did that one. I that's all I got
from that. That was impressive. So seeing that, I'm like
still not surprised, I mean, proud to call you a friend,
but it was just like, damn, this guy's really good
(31:42):
with the numbers. I appreciate that. Yeah, this, I would
say really impressive. This final appearance was about as on
brand as a pot could have possibly been. I didn't
do great in the endurance portions. I had to take
a break during the strength achievement, but you know I
(32:04):
really thrived, you know where my abilities can can you know, wait,
can I just say this? You guys weren't that far
apart at the end, were you? I think we lost
by like ten minutes. Yeah, that's that's amazing, Ye shutouts
like hours we have to wait for you. Yeah that's
oh yeah, no it was. It was pretty close. But
(32:26):
it was also you know, looking back on it hurt
a little bit because if I had just played less
pool and taken more laps. Uh. There was a legitimate
shot there. And that's why it's so impressive to win
this show because the focus and the consistency it takes
to keep not only your mind, but your body and
condition to win throughout this whole game with all these
(32:49):
things getting thrown at you that you have to dodge.
Anybody that wins this deserves a lot of credit. Yeah,
I agree. Um, I think that there's not many people
who would potentially give et or run for his money
because cts so strong and both at the athletic department
and also numbers and puzzles. But Devin, I think that
if you not that I want to change anything about you,
(33:09):
because I love you the way you are, But if
you decided to go fucking ham in the gym, you
would be an absolute monster. No one could touch your Next,
we've got to get out of the fucking van. I mean,
I'm one foot out and I'm back and crossing. I'm
going to take steroids. Okay, well fine, we'll take them
together here. First test me. I don't I don't want
(33:33):
to get I don't want to get a hairy chest.
But um, you blood dope, oh god, till whatever you
want to do. Call you after this. Um, it's terrified. No,
but it is kind of that way. It's like when
you're really you excel at all of these things and
then you just need that one element. Yeah, all right.
(33:54):
Who do we think is the MVP of this entire season? Casey? Yeah,
i'da Casey too. Yeah, you have to give I mean,
she won, She came off of an injury, She was
locked in all season crushed challenges. She did a lot
of stuff no one else could do too, like that
jumping to from thing to thing the heights of her
(34:16):
water thing. She was the only girl to do that. Ye,
she was the only girl, only girl and the other
heights of her water to actually retrieve one of the
capsule capsule. Yeah, and she had a girlfriend the whole time.
She was balancing, like her relationship the game pretty hot it, Casey.
I give it to Casey as well. Most improved. Who
(34:37):
do we think is the most improved? Most improved? Uh?
Probably Gabbo. I don't know what. I don't know, I
don't know what he was like before, but but he's
definitely improved someone. But he's definitely better. I know I'm
better after meeting him. Oh, I'm gonna go get go,
(34:58):
get the piece of big I excuse me, Oh sorry,
Corey told me that worst roommates ever for him. I
want to give it to Josh. Oh okay, I could
see that, yeah, because he's just you know, he's getting
better at listen like, of course, everybody's gotta blow up
every season, but he's getting better at acknowledging it and
(35:19):
handling it and grow when he is. It's little increments
of growth, but he's getting better. I mean, I liked
Nannie has my most improved because I've seen her over
the years just be like not a terror, but she
used to go off. I don't think she realized her potential.
I think she found somebody who really supports her. Yeah,
(35:40):
and in that, I think she really found herself and
she's you know, she's great. So I'm gonna toss that
one her way. What about best uncle, best uncle, M,
best uncle CT. We don't understand where there's not a
best aunt too, so I could have gotten it. Yeah
that you would have gotten Auntie, and for sure, I know,
(36:03):
but it's okay, smell dominated world. I guess all right.
What about best couples to my danger square was the
best hook up and unspoken The Danger Square. Yeah, yeah,
you cannot come in here. I'll never forget sure danger squares.
(36:28):
I'm in my sere squares. I mean there's a square
in the kitchen. It's a tiled floor, and every time
I got in this square, danger happened. Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot. I mean there were skittles, guys. It's
that's that's a challenge. Confidentially, probably should have told you
months ago, but you know, I've kind of let this
one just die down. You know, it's not really I
(36:50):
just will never forget Jeremiah's face when he was touching
your body in the Danger Square and his he was
so drunk his eyes were crossed. Man, I was so drunk,
I don't I got mad at him, stormed off. I
don't even know why. The next day I'm like, I'm sorry.
There was some epic moments. I will say it was
(37:10):
the Skittle. It was like the Skittle Pass, the funniest,
funniest season I think I've ever done, just just from
sheer like absurdity. There was so many absurd things that
were happening on a daysis Hue. In general, it's hard
every day I was like numb to the absurdity at
(37:32):
one point. But yeah, like I'd look around and to
be like, absolutely, mayhem happening over here, like Hughey's tworking,
niece's in her danger square. I was it was too
much to even process. The kitchen was a dangerous spot.
It was. I was walking around with my French press. Actually, yeah,
(37:52):
it like broke day two. You were so happy you
were talking about it all quarantined or like I brought
press immediately. Okay, Corey smashed it. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah,
we can't have nice things, man, the best couple definitely
naughty and Casey for sure, We're sure there. So he
(38:13):
took up were the two plumbers? Oh that was a
funny one. I mean, I still don't know what was
called naked? And she was fully dressed. I'm like what
that's the part where I'm like, were they dry? Help? Like,
what happened? This is one of the sweatpants that hit
(38:38):
know about. Was he just like, desire my body like this?
And he just looked at him. Was it they call
it gazing? I've heard him. I was just looking at him.
Dave gazing, Dave gazing gaze okay, well we're back on track,
(38:59):
which is good. The messiest moment, oh god, sponsored by
Messi Fessi. It has to be sponsored by the only
man to be Pizza. It has to be the pizza. Yeah. Yeah,
it's such a collaboration of fuck ups. It was me,
it was Corey, it was Josh, it was Fessi, it
(39:20):
was Esther, it was Amber. It was such a collaboration.
It was the messiest explosion. I'm gonna make one just
I guess co nomination here and give it to the
night that we went out after you guys didn't eat
or drink any water. Everyone threw up. Dude, Amanda threw
(39:44):
up in the plant. She who fell asleep someone? People
were falling asleep, like in the aisles of the bus.
Tory just wanted deritos. She wanted a big Derito rant.
She was like, I needed derito. I was like when
she sat in the front like a good girl, that
I bathed her. When we got home. That bus was mayhem. Yeah, absolutely,
(40:09):
so many people were cursing out security. Yeah, would themselves
someone someone threw up in the plant. I was that
people were I was like, what is going on here? Yeah?
They were like you have one hour to consume all
the I'm like, this should be a challenge. Reminded me
of like when a bunch of moms get together and
they have like one night out and it just like
goes terribly wrong. I just had that last night, not
(40:32):
even a mom. Yeah, but I'm of age. It was
pretty funny after like a PTA meeting, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It starts with one spritzer and then all of a
sudden get some you know, Cosmos going and draft Cosmos. Right,
I had a martini in there because they're trying to
be cute. I'm like two bottles of Sutter Home. Yeah yeah,
(40:56):
all right, Well this brings me too, because that night
was a shit show. Who do you think the worst
housemate was to live with? I have an answer for this,
but I want to know what you guys think. Well,
I would say, Big Tea, I love her to death.
I'm like, where did where did my slides go? Oh?
They're on your feet? Oh you know, I just sold them,
so I thought they were mine. No, Big Tea, that's
(41:18):
actually not how it goes. And then I would watch
her in the kitchen because our kitchen was disgusting, and
I would do dishes with the girls, and I'm looking
at her, and I would stare at her, like, I
know you're gonna rent that off, right, And no, she doesn't.
She doesn't clean dishes. Fests and clean dishes logan. I
would stare at him and he'd be like, this, no,
my problem, Oh damn it, I wish you were ugly. Yeah, dude.
(41:44):
The thing about Big Tea and I didn't realize until
the very end of the game. And I love her
to death. They think she's fucking incredible and hilarious. But
there was at one point in time there were so
little people left in the house, but there was a
lot of storage space still, and I would walk by
the upstairs hallway and there was at least one dress
dropped in the bottom of every single closet. There was
like at least twelve closets, and they were all big
teeth clothing. The entire house is her closet, the entire house.
(42:07):
Every literally, we don't live in a home. You live
at said teas. You live a big teas closet. Yeah,
oh god, and over a Batteas steakhouse. I don't know
why I said. The other house. I don't know about
the cleanliness of your house. I don't know if you
(42:28):
guys noticed this. I don't think a single one of us,
maybe Nelson, with the exception of Nelson from the poolhouse,
even went over there. Aside from in the kitchen, I
never went upstairs. It's a messy one too. Yeah, we
were over there in our own little fucking private paradise,
you know what, just because you guys found that first. Fine,
(42:49):
But the other thing is I like my sleep, and
you guys would stay in there all the pool tournaments
starting and then fucking eighteen you know, foamers later we
have rationed, rationed beers. Let me say, yeah, yeah, they
were rashioned beers around the pool table tournaments seven point
zero and no one's sleeping in there. That's why I
(43:11):
was like, I was kind of happy about the house
and had earplugs and I asked, I was out. Yeah, man,
let's speaking about you being out. I want to also
give you the word for worst injury. That was so sad.
And you know what, you only have a few of
those injuries in a lifetime. And and he'sa I wish
you didn't have it while we were there. I wish
(43:32):
you never had it. At all. That was now. It
was the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life. Um,
I wish I could have been there because I feel
like like Max and I would have been really solving
the ship out of those puzzles in that final Um,
you were missed. You were definitely missed. I know I
missed you, guys. The other person I would want to say,
(43:54):
not just me, was naked Tommy with the concussion barfing
on the seaside. I mean, I don't know, I don't
I don't mean what I know. This is how ruthless
terrible injury. This is how ruthless people are too. So
that happened to Tommy, right, obviously we all saw it,
you know, fully naked fourth grade teacher washes up on
(44:15):
the beach with him severely concussed. And then we're on
the bus ride home and everyone had picked a song
to put on a playlist. Tommy's a country music fan,
so h his song plays and he's like, hey, guys,
this is my song, this is my song. He's all
fired up. We let it play for about fifteen seconds
and then collectively the entire bus booze Tommy, you and
(44:36):
your stupid song. He sit like, god, damn it, I
can't what it was one I can't see straight. But
all I was to hear was one country. Yeah. Yeah,
it didn't work out for him. A great guy though,
he really retired from television. He said he's done. Well.
(44:57):
You know, Big Red, you will always live of in
our hearts. Yes, he was an angel, he was a
he was a freaking angel. And now he's he got
promoted to vice principal at the school. So he's that's awesome.
Congratulations Tommy, that's a big red deal. Oh yeah, yeah,
he's a VP. Yeah, goddamn son. Don't don't quote. Don't
(45:17):
quote me on that. That could be a whole lie,
but I think he is. I'm pretty sure. Might have
made it up, but I'm pretty sure, but I don't
really know. But I think I may have dreamt about
it last night, but I'm not really sure how accurate is.
Don't take my word for him, but I think he's
the vice principal. It could be the vice principal. Now, okay,
let's talk about this. So all season long, on the
(45:39):
end of the podcast, we have been asking the question,
you know, who's the biggest spy, the biggest liar and
the biggest ally from the episodes, and so we did
a tally of every guest's answers, and so there is
a seven way tie for who we think the biggest
spy was. We have Emmy CT, Ashley, Amanda, Kyle Big Tea,
and Devin whoa ct C will always be the biggest spy. Yeah,
(46:05):
CT is a spy. He puts the spy in spi
analysis puts he put the spy spy by a cop.
I'm really here. You really did reach. He was like, go, go,
gadget arm reach. I think that's fair. I think he's
(46:30):
you know, had an invisibility cloak on for the first
fucking yeah five weeks of that that challenge and I'm
trying to win enough and I'm just you know, I'm
just what I'm doing. Yeah yeah, but you know you
can only you can only play that game I think
once and like this style. He always plays that style,
(46:53):
but I think he can really only do that once.
And uh he made a count. So he used that's
like one of your your trump cards and UNO or whatever,
like if you use it, you better win the game.
And yeah, right, yeah, So we also have a two
way tie for a liar we have it between Kyle
and Josh. Kyle Josh, I, I honestly think Josh because
(47:16):
I can't figure out Kyle still. And Josh admits that
he lied about Kel's like he admits that, oh yeah,
I totally forgot about him fabricating and oh yeah yeah,
and I love what do you do? Did I miss this? Wait?
In the very beginning of the season, he basically openly
admits to making up these lies about Kel's having all
(47:36):
those alliances and oh when Kells is like, did you
make a deal? Did you make a deal, and everyone's like,
oh no, it wasn't me. Yeah, Josh lied about that.
I didn't know that interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that
is a good qualifying point for biggest liar is actually
just lying. Yeah yeah. There's an ally two way tie
(48:00):
between Emmy and Tory. Listen, you know who we gotta
give it to, and it's not me because I have
marks against my alliess, So I gotta take myself out
of the equation and we gotta give it to Emmy.
You know, I'm fine with that. I agree. So what
we've got ct biggest spy, Josh, biggest lie, and the
biggest ally Yeah. Hugh Nelson yelling spies, lies and Allies. Yeah,
(48:24):
spies and Allies aka Radio Silence, welcome to challenge Spies,
lies and Allies. A ka's huh. I can't believe I
missed it, and I'm mad that I missed it while
we were watching it, and I really want to watch
(48:47):
it back. Oh god, it was so good. It was
really good. Yeah, Okay, I'm not going to go any
more anymore in lat because I absolutely love him. He's incredible.
We love but if we can't make fun of our
friends in this world, who can we make fun of
we have? Let's talk about how incredible it was to
(49:11):
have you on this podcast, Devin. We are still currently
petitioning for you to be the third co host. So everybody, please,
if you're listening to this episode and you love Devin Walker,
we need you to send an email right now to MTV.
We don't want to even tag our socials anymore. I'm
okay with him taking half of my paycheck, so please,
we're gonna send it. And have you heard that here? First,
I didn't say that. That was Victorian deal that said
(49:35):
she would share her paycheck. MTV don't cut mine, And
I'm just going to me at gmail dot com just
Stevelment MTV at Gmail would be sure to respond to everybody.
I appreciate the I appreciate the love girls, but honestly,
I think that there isn't two better people for this podcast.
(49:57):
You guys have crushed it now back to back seasons
with all stars in between. Um, so congratulations on you know,
getting out there and fucking bringing some fire content to
the stage. Always happy to join you, open acceptance of
any invite. You heard it here first, but yes, yes,
And Devin, where can we follow you on Instagram and
(50:19):
shout out your only fans on your feet? It's MTV
Underscore Devin on Instagram. It is MTV Devin Walker on Twitter. Um,
keep your eyes peeled. A lot of people have been
pushing for me to get a TikTok and uh oh,
there's a there's a chance that it that it goes down,
but oh yeah, I'll leave it right. Well, what could
(50:40):
we expect on there? I guess you could text us
later and run some ideas. Did you say TikTok or
dick Took. It's a new platform called dick Took. Dick's
just swing. Yeah, it's a it's an all it's an
all dick podcast where it's kind of whatever noise a
bunch of dicks. Yeah, whatever noise they make, let's record that.
(51:01):
But we have gone off the rails we have. This
is such a way to start our Friday morning. You know,
who needs coffee when you have dick tok. Holy fuck? Yeah.
But that's where that's where you can find me, and
that's where I'll be, and that's where i'll always be.
All right, is right on there? All right? Perfect? Anissa?
(51:22):
Where can we follow you? And how can we support you?
Anissa MTV on Instagram. I don't really go on Twitter.
You guys know that I don't like it. Too many
trolls under the bridge m um, Yeah, send me your
listener questions. There are so many. I think we just
need a podcast solely for listener questions because I have
so many of them. Yeah, Cory, where can we find
(51:44):
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do something more important to follow me MTV at gmail
dot com sending that email. Let's get Devin Walker on
this podcast because it's been an incredible season. He's the
only person ever to remember a twenty digit code after
a fifty five mile run and we just I puzzled
(52:05):
and fifteen miles but it was a lot though anyway,
So we just want to make sure that we keep
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Let's get in Oh, let's get you know, let's get
in it. Yeah, let's get into that. Let's get let's
let's getting let's get in it. In there, all right,
happy to be back, Thanks for having me. What I mean,
can you think of three better people to unpack an
absolute whirlwind season? Because I can't I know? Reunion God,
(01:16):
thank god you're here. Yeah, we needed some big dick
energy on the podcast. Whoa I mean? Like, I don't
know but I don't know about that. But I mean
the energy. I'm talking the energy, you know. Yeah, yeah,
I gass it up a little minute. I'm here for you.
We need we need the energy. You know, our big
dick energy clearly wasn't enough. All these steroids we've been taking.
Oh thank god, and they're big dicks, just weren't doing it.
(01:41):
Calling a third party. Oh god, we're so happy about this.
I mean, we're getting one step closer for you to
also be the official host of this podcast with us.
We just got to keep hacking away at that statue. Okay,
it's a monument that we're going to tear down, baby steps,
one pot at a time. Well, we're off to a
(02:02):
great start. Yeah you really are, you really are? I agree.
I'm so happy to have you. I want to dive
into this reunion if I can head first, feet first first.
Which way do you go into this reunion? Because there
was a lot of shit going on? I think we
should probably ask nell Eet if we're looking for diving advice. Yeah,
(02:23):
I'd probably be the guy i'd go to. He'll just
hand us a life jacket. He'll hand us a life
jacket and he'll say, get down there. That's what he does, yeah,
is to get down there with a life jacket nell
et a ka and then just doesn't say anything after. Yeah,
that was one of my best I don't want to
get to ahead of ourselves here, but my favorite moment
(02:45):
of the reunion was Tori, what about Kel's AKA that
stands we're also known as You have got to say
something after you say AKA. You can't just leave it
there AKA silence. Yeah, no, that's actually not Yeah, let's
just get down to the needy greedy won't wait? Yeah? Yeah,
(03:08):
So who was the best dressed at this reunion? It's
a tough call. I don't know. A Rash was giving
me pit bull vibes. I thought Josh was dressed really well.
I really loved that Nick greens and the pearl necklace.
I loved it. Courtesy of Emmanuel Um. I think Big
(03:30):
Tea looked marvelous in that dress. Tatcha also m Yeah.
I think they were giving me like Housewives of challenge. Yeah,
the Housewives of the Challenge. I'm gonna to wear a
dress next time. Yeah, wait, can I give can I
give you a little background on a few of these outfits,
because before we got to the fucking reunion. There was
(03:52):
this whole deal. It was like, all right, me and
Kyle came in second place, we're gonna worst over. Devin
and Emmy came came in third place. They're gonna wear bronze,
and then of course Casey and CT came in first,
they're gonna wear gold. The only people who did it
was me when Emmy, Emmy's bronze looked like like like
the deep brown, Okay, it wasn't a bronze, it was
(04:15):
it was a copper. And then Devin, when we called
him out on it, he goes, no, there's bronze in here.
There was like there was like a dark purple dot
on his tie. Yeah, there was. There was definitely some
shades of bronze in there. God so funny. I was
planning on wearing a full bronze suit, straight Hunger Game
(04:35):
style with big flames and everything. Uh, and I couldn't.
I didn't know for sure if I was going to
be able to get into Amsterdam because I was having
h COVID regulation issues. So I got approved like last minute,
and then I couldn't bring my suit because it had
like a whole flame pack with it and I would up. Yeah,
(04:58):
it was a full torch suit. You're a lie. Yeah,
I know that part I made up, But other part
of my mouth was open the whole entire time. I
thought you meant like you made some like paper mache
wings and then painted them or just had like a
feather ensemble. Yeah, I should have made some wings. That's
what the next time. Next time, I think next time
(05:18):
everybody has to make their outfits that homemade out from
from recycled from recycled material from the house, or if
you're on on, like if you're in amsterdamn different location,
you know, dumpster dive, like just find random shit in
the streets of Amsterdam. Yeah, I'm coming in with a
(05:39):
lady on my back, somebody from the district. I like,
I like your dress. It's a person. She's like, thank you. Yeah,
the wrapper legs around it will be perfect. Holy fuck,
Holy if I can't handle this episode already on sweating
immediately arts there's a lot going on. Let's get off
(06:02):
of this topic because I can't handle any more information.
Um okay, so get into another hot thing. Let's talk
about Emmy and Burner, because we kind of start off
with this fight immediately, do you think, Devin, you know,
you were in the room. I was in the room.
Oh yeah, that Emmy was on the right side when
she sided with the Vets. I mean, the all I
had to see was that little clip where the Burn
(06:25):
did like the classic burn move, which is where she
like sat her down in that chair and like cornered
her and was like, are you taking CD And in
that moment, I was like, all right, you are the
Burn and you heard the intimidator, and you know at
that point also obviously not a bias viewer here, because
(06:48):
she fucking voted for my ass right before that. And
that's kind of what through the whole thing in motion
is when we were in there, they were you know,
secret votes, but they weren't secret votes. Your partner could
see the people next you could see. So CT saw
her vote for me, told me about it, and then
from that point I was like, all right, she's done,
so I'm gonna side with Emmy on this one good choice.
(07:10):
I think Emmy had to do what Emmy had to do.
And it's not even about who I like, It's more
about Emmy knew she's she knew she was a rookie, right,
she knew that she was going to have to go
in at some point and maybe keep going in. And
what do you do when you don't know how to
play a game, which I do think Emmy knows what
she's doing. Um, you get the best guy and you
(07:33):
latch onto him and then you perform well with him.
She did what she had to do. I'm tired of
like I've I've played a nice game for a long time,
and sometimes you just gotta make the right moves if
you ever want to win. Or look how far it
got her. Yeah, it would have got her even further
if my ass could fucking walk up a flood of stairs.
No you can. Don't you say that. I saw you,
(07:56):
But I know what you did do is solve those
fucking puzzles. Well, yeah, I mean the unsung hero of
that moment was the Hot Sauce signature. Yeah, that's one
of my favorite all time moments ever. It was. It's
because everyone always referenced his like making a deal with
the devil. We literally had her sign a cutting board.
(08:18):
We had her sign her freedoms away on a cutting
board with Saracha. They're like, you're with us now, yeah, period,
and that's it. We're gonna take you the promised land,
and we delivered. She did the right thing. I think.
I hate that. I hate that now, like it's a
whole like you know, calling people out and doing whatever.
But it's part of this. You know, this is what
we signed up for. Like, if you do something to
(08:39):
hurt somebody's feelings, don't expect them to just take it
lying down, you know, no, for sure, And you know what,
let's call spade a state here. If she wouldn't have
done that, she probably would have been in that elimination
with Hughey climbing up that pole backwards. And let's let's
be real. Hughey's but was popping off that pole. So
there is no way he was getting up there with
that absolute heater he's got behind, There's no chance. No, Yeah,
(09:04):
there's so much heat. But you know what, I love Bernah.
So let's shout out to Berna. We still love you.
You're a fucking You're an awesome person. And uh, let's
keep it moving back on track. Let's let's talk about
Kyle because he swears he would split the money if
he won. How much money do you think that these
people would split? Do you think that FESSI would split
(09:25):
the money. No, twenty six dollars. Wait, it has to
go four ways. Sorry, sorry, symbolism behind this number. Yeah,
you all, you all get twelve, fifty, you get, you
all get fifty and a pair of Fessi socks. Yeah right,
we're like twelve thousand. No, no, no, twelve dollars branded
(09:49):
would I think Josh would definitely split it, Oh for sure,
Josh Wood Yeah, hell yeah. I don't know. I think
it really depends on the context of the victory, Like
it was so easy for uh, well, I don't know
if it was easy for them, but they made it
seem easy. I imagine it wasn't difficult for CT and
Casey to divvy it up because that group had really
(10:11):
played together for not the whole time, but definitely the
back half of the game. So I don't know. It's like,
if Fessie was there, under what circumstances did he get there?
Who's his partner? Right? All that shit goes into it,
So I don't think that it would have been as
easy of a decision for FESSI. Yeah, what about Amanda.
(10:32):
It's that I don't not only with people, I think
with Nelson and yeah, yeah, I think it depends on
the people. She may even give me ten bucks. So honestly,
CT and Kyle might have got a little loot two tour,
so he might have been the only one. Right. You
might have just been sitting on a goose egg there
(10:53):
at the end. Yeah, yeah, that that there's no Based
off the structure of the though Amanda was, it would
have been impossible for her to win, right, based off
the structure of this game, she would have had to
beat you and Casey or Nanni or Emmy or whoever
(11:14):
up that mountain and down. Well, she would have had
to even make it past the first wrestle she would
have wrestled. She would have been wrestled off. Well, she
could have she could have placed. If she'd gotten that
puzzle that I got, she might have had the top
two times. But do you think she would have carried that.
She's really short. There's no way she could have carried that.
What the missile, Yeah, it would have been so heavy
(11:36):
for her too with it at that point though, at
that point it was like your team, I think three
people could have done that, Like if if Nelson and
CT were on the same team. Yeah, right, you know
what I mean, it wouldn't have really mattered, so it
would have everything could jumble. But yeah, well who else
is going to be a greedy little thief? What about
Jesset Solo? Yeah, oh well yeah, you think you'd steal it? No,
(12:03):
I think I think he'd share it. Oh, for sure
he shared. Yeah, he's got it. He's definitely share it.
He's a new man now, nice guy. Actually he's Yeah,
and it doesn't hurt that he just won the last
one too, So I guess it could spare a couple
couple quarters for us as I saw the graphic. Actually,
and I think he has eclipsed Johnny for most prize money. One.
(12:26):
I believe he's somewhere around one point three million lifetime. Wow,
one point three maybe one point four? Wait, can I
tell you something real quick. I am not nothing to
be super proud of. But I hold the record for
the girl who's won the most money but hasn't won
a Challenge shamp title yet. That's and I've been the
person that's been paid the most money and I've never won.
(12:53):
Oh and he's a guy like you've only won twenty
seven thousand dollars. I'm like, that's what you think right right,
every Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what about Dave, Dave, you
definitely share it, no doubt in my mind. Oh I'm
a I'm a big splitter of money for several reasons.
(13:15):
I've done it. I've had the opportunity to steal twice.
One time I think it was twenty five, the other
time it was eighty five or ninety five. Oh no,
it was like one hundred and ninety and then we
got we got ninety five. Um. Either way, I feel
like if you steal the money, you're kind of fucked
for a lot of reasons, but mainly because you're giving
(13:38):
money so much power in that moment that's hard to
shake and kind of for the rest of your life
you have to associate like victory and feeling good with
the monetary value. And I would never want to embark
on that journey where money like ruled that. That's that's
a trap, easy trap. They lay it all over the
(14:00):
world and a lot of people fall into it, and
it works for some people, it doesn't work for others.
But I would never want to even I would never
even want that trap to work for me. Fuck that
splitting the money, Yeah, same, I'm with that. Anissa what
about you, I mean, guys, you know me, Yeah, you'd share.
I'd be trying to give it to production like with me.
(14:21):
You no, TJ. I mean, I'd maybe buy him a
new guitar. But TJ is making his own money. Yeah. Yeah, listen.
I also want to talk about now that we're done
talking about the money, I want to talk about something
that happened in this reunion that completely shook me. Me
and Tatcha hugging on the stage. I loved it. Oh moment,
(14:42):
my god, I was. I was so nervous about this
reunion because you know, Tacha is a very strong, like
powerful person when she talks you just like I mean,
I I'm like, oh my god, what is she gonna say?
Look at deer in headlights? I'm like, fuck, what is
she gonna say to me? And she just like she
was so cool about that thing. Like obviously time had
passed than we were able to all like sittle, settle down.
(15:02):
You know that word settle that I like to use. Yes,
it's when you're settling and sitting. Yes, yeah, why don't
you take a seat and settle down and settle yourself?
Don't you have a skittle and settle taste the rainbow.
You know, Oh fuck, I'm happy that it did show
(15:24):
that because you did. You were talking about growth and
everything else, and I think that's really important, as you know,
we've been on our journey as challenges for people to
see how far we've come and that we're not like
these stagnant, small creatures. But it's also like maybe you
should take some better notes too, like we're still have
to work on politics. We need to take a class
(15:46):
on politics, because yeah, you need to try A sweatshirt
is a lot for me. Yeah, it's called it's called
a silent retreat. I actually did one before this season
and it paid dividends because your boy has also put
(16:07):
himself in some some interesting situations by saying too much.
H's out. I'm an idiot sometimes, so you know, it's
like that just live and learns. All of us though
it's what happens, and you know what, it sucks to
watch it back on TV and relive it and have
to fucking deal with it for the next six months.
After you do something, it's like God, like normal people
don't have to do this. They're just like, oh shit,
(16:27):
that was shitt You gotta change, we gotta live through
it publicly and we got so most people actually just
make up a different version of what happened in their
heads so that they're not wrong at all. They're like yeah,
they're like, wait a minute, I didn't do that. It's
like you're way out a line. It's like, no, there's
just a camera watching you. No. But we're seeing that
(16:49):
right now with Casey and Amber, and Amber's like, well
you said this. She was like, I don't trust you.
I feel like there's no other way to say I
don't trust you, but saying I don't trust you. Yeah.
I think that a Big Brother in general creates really
paranoid Challengers, and Fessie has admitted to being paranoid. Josh
(17:11):
has said several times that he's paranoid. Ambert has shown
that she's paranoid. I think Casey had a little bit
of that, like with the not trusting thing. I think
that that game, in the style of that game, just
leads to paranoia in other games down the road. And
there are similarities between Big Brother and The Challenge. So,
I mean, I know we're all get paranoid, but I
(17:33):
see it personally. I see it especially in players that
have played that game. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
I think that it was also really interesting to see
Casey kind of like crack her shell and cry a
little bit because she's somebody who keeps her self so
unlock and like, I mean, it was really interesting to
see that because obviously she's just a person that has
feelings about people outside of the game. But you could tell,
(17:55):
like she said, she loves people, but she also loves
the game, so there's always going to be that divide
in her of like being and being very calculated and
then at the same time remembering that these are people
playing the same game. So that was a really interesting moment.
I love that she admitted how she played the game.
She was like, I'm careful about every single thing I do. Yeah,
And I'm like, yeah, duh, we knew that, Casey. Yeah,
(18:17):
it does. But a lot of focus and she's got it. Yeah.
Do you think that the Big Brother Alliance is done? No?
Oh my god, that's the question in a century. It's
it's certainly is. Yeah. Oh, it's got a hairline. Yeah,
(18:40):
she definitely needs to be splinted. Yeah, someone get him
a sling. How many more medical jokes can we might
need a little rehabilitation. Yeah, get him in, get him
in a rehab program. I don't know. I don't know
if that. I don't think Bessie, Josh, and Casey will
ever waiver um no. Yeah, but it's always kind of
(19:02):
it's never really been the Big Brother Alliance. It's been
the Josh, Festi and Casey alliance and the right Whoever,
which is a name for it. Yeah, but it also
I think we have to take into account if they're
all three there together, because if they're not, then that's
a totally different situation. Right, and they're to come to
(19:23):
Mexico with us for the Mexico Alliance. Who I already
am making shirts. I have a template for the shirt. Yes, yes,
you're not gonna want to miss it. No, let's talk
about CT and FESSI and this boxing match. Would you
guys watch it if it went down? Who do you
think would be nervous? I'd be nervous to watch, like
it would probably bring back some painful memories. I don't know.
(19:46):
I feel like CT would busses ass just because I mean,
Fessi's a strong boy and he's big, but CT just
doesn't miss like he has more co ordination. I feel
like he's like because he's bottom heavy too. Like for
boxing especially like you need to be quick on your feet,
but you have to have balance right, you know, and
be able to dodge shit and just doesn't matter if
(20:10):
you can dodge it. The statistics would be interesting, especially
if they if they met, like at a catchweight, meaning
Fessi would have to drop weight. CT would have to
put some on um for that for it to be
like in the actual boxing world, for that to happen,
there would be a lot of things that need to
go down. And then you gotta wonder how many rounds
(20:31):
are they wearing headgear, what weight are the gloves, because
all that shit plays into who's got a bigger advantage.
You gotta give problem. You probably have to give CT
the nod on if they're have the same what nine
months to train or whatever. It's like a real fight.
But right now I've been seeing Fessi. I'm obviously a
(20:52):
Fessi hater. I don't hate him, but I am a
hater by nature of things that he does love it,
and he's been training, he bet in the fucking gin
and he's he's look at his form. He's looking a
lot better that Ja. He's slipping that jab a little quicker,
so right now, I'd probably give him the no hooks.
Hooks are really nice. He's killing a lot of power shots,
(21:13):
killing it down in Orlando. I just I think, I
just think from knowing ct and seeing him in fights, yeah,
there is just that switch and he can be He's
a dangerous man, bust and by his ass, so you know. Yeah,
so I don't think he'll ever do it. But should
we talk about more fights, more verbal fights. Let's talk
(21:34):
about Amanda calling out of Manuel for wanting a callback.
M m. I mean he was wearing a grill out there.
He had a grill on too, Yeah, with his Prince costume. Yeah,
come listen. I want to say this though, and I
think that and maybe I'm just a little biased because
I obviously am not friends with Amanda and because you know,
(21:57):
I had sex with a Manuel's bunk. But what I
think is what I think is bum his bok. Listen
to me, that's not true. It's a lie. What I
think is like when you're somebody who comes from Romania,
I've been to Romania, and you have dreams of being
on American TV show and you get that opportunity. Why
are you not going to try everything you can do
(22:18):
to keep that opportunity. So like it's like, oh, like,
don't use me for a callback, But like if I
were him, I would do whatever I had to do
to get a callback because that's his dream. Like she
doesn't know where he comes from, like she's never seen Romania. Yeah,
but I don't think his prince outfit is he's a
great competitor, He's agile as fuck, and he was one
of the only rookies that was murdering his interviews. Yeah,
(22:40):
it seemed like a stretch. That is, people have rebuttal
talking points that they recycle in arguments that they know
will you know, kind of be like a silencer, and
that is one of the things that everybody in this
world does if somebody comes at you on Twitter or whatever,
is the using me for a callbacks in general. So
(23:01):
I don't even think that she I think that was
more of like a like conditioned response. I don't think
that was that, Yeah you know what I mean, Yeah,
she just kind of threw it out there. Yeah, you
know what else I loved, which I didn't love that,
but I did love this t J calls in and
he calls out Amanda for not climbing up the ladder.
That was pretty great. Come on, yeah, I will say though,
(23:25):
I've got to say this. I told her as to
fucking jump down and do not come back up here. Yeah,
because I knew the exact strategy, which was not. He
almost fell for it. Everyone was holding there. She's like, oh,
they're letting me go. I was like, yeah, they're letting
you get to the other side so you can get
one of the capsules and then they can destroy never
know in the rules. Yea. In the water now, it
(23:51):
was it was some murky water. To be fair, there
was we had some there was some baby some some
pollutants over there in Croatia. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah,
it wasn't good. Didn't feel good, but you know it
did feel good. Emmy performing Alien and Devin's dancing with
the Antenna on Absolute Fire. I was happy because after
(24:16):
all that drama, you then you have this thing and
Tori you talked about it before. You've been to Romania.
We I've talked to Emmy about her life there and like,
you know, it's nice that she gets to gets to
show what she can do when she really loves music
and it's what she wants to do. She's also a
great challenger too, so I'm happy that we could just
(24:37):
come full circle and have her do that. Yeah, I agree.
She may actually be an alien though that we could
have been an actual confession, could have been confession. It's like,
I'm not actually from Romania. It's actually a planet. Your
spaceship got lost. I just wanna, I just I have
(24:59):
some notes here and I just oh, yeah, so I
missed one of my notes. It was pertinent at the
time we moved on. I just want to go back.
I actually have Fessi's boxing name. Oh, I figured it out.
He is, uh Fessie the lonely Man. She fot, Yeah,
are going to be a lonely man, which is a
(25:24):
fire name. I think you should really take it. It's
a fi lonely man. Shot. I think if that's his lesson,
but yeah, he he just said shot. I just thought,
I mean, I, okay, you said it right the first time. Yeah,
I had it right the first time. Either way, he's
the lonely Man. Yeah, he's going by the lonely Man
now anyway, OHLM. I hope he doesn't become a serial killer.
(25:48):
Because then he would be Yeah, the lonely man killer,
you creep? Any other notes? Yeah, I've got a few more,
want me to cycle through? Yeah, I would love let's
see what you got? All right? Great? I also wanted
to touch quickly on Uh, Tory and touches awkward handshake. Uh.
They we played that during the reunion. Yeah, you should
(26:11):
have known that that deal was up to a bad start.
He stopped that hand interaction. I think he went for
a dap. I think he went for a shake. I've
been there. It's awkward and U yeah, that's kind of
how that went. Um. Then we've also got something I
(26:32):
never noticed. There was span of copita in the oven
during pizza Gate, and I just wanted to say that
those so good. Yeah, and they're a smaller size, they're
more sham so maybe less frozen pizzas, more spana copita
for those that don't know, it's it's it's it's very delicious.
(26:53):
Oh it's crumbling and nice flaky crust. Yes, um yeah,
and then uh, I also wanted to just say that
I think Nelson should have a dating show called Nellie
t Looking for Love in all the Wrong Places. Yes, yes,
and we can we take it. Ok yeah, okay, deep diving,
(27:15):
deep diving, all all different scenes but just bad places.
Pres having a date in the ocean, no life, Jack.
Let's get into some awards to give out from this season.
(27:36):
Um Play of the season, What do you think the
best athletic move from the entire season was CT on
the balanced thing, laying it under the radar? Yeah, I
think that was. It doesn't have to be the best.
Oh well, that could have been the dirtiest deed best
politic move for sure. That goes to because dirty seed
(27:57):
the best political move. So I'd say, yeah, the CT
I'm sorry, okay, play of the season. Play of the
season could have been that that day when he won,
when he won the entire challenge by himself single handedly. Yeah,
so everybody's gonna call him the best player, yeah right,
and the Best Player Challenge award suspensefult I would say though, Also,
(28:23):
um Ester's helicopter performance was incredibly impressive. I think they
got like all but three of those uh diamonds and
uh and obviously you know, FESSI played college football. We know,
so he's used to catch him stay. She was putting
(28:45):
him right on him, and that was I thought that
was pretty impressive. Well that and once she had to do, um,
the one where we were hanging upside down. She did
an awesome job reprieving the codes for that too. Yeah,
and she was like, um, the way I went to
law school. It was like, oh yo, yeah, all right,
well what are we thinking of the year? Yeah, okay,
(29:06):
we already know who that is. Emmy hands down, no doubt.
Four eliminations makes it to a final wins fifty K
is listening to Devin's rant up the mountain saying it's
been living long and hard, baby, living long and hard
while running up the final I wonder know if the
fun that was about, Dave? What were you? What was
(29:28):
going on in that conversation? Okay, a little explaining I
need to do here. So when they said you have
to finish the race in order to qualify for cash,
I pretty much knew, all right, I have to. I
definitely can't fuck this up because I'm not going back
up here, and if I'm up there and I'm real tired,
(29:49):
I might fuck up the code. So let me just
take my time, thinking it's the best strategy because I'm
never going to beat Kyler CT and A foot race.
I'm not going to beat your casey in a foot race, honestly,
probably not beating any So I had one opportunity, which
was that you guys had to fuck up the coat.
Um and racing killing myself to come and last anyways
(30:13):
didn't make any sense. So I was like, let me
take my time. If they mess the coat up, then
we got a legitimate chance. If they don't win third place,
hopefully someone gives me some cash. And yeah. At that point, um,
I was having some flashbacks to my party days and
you know, I have lived fast and hard and uh,
I'm trying to go up a big mountain. Uh you
(30:34):
know those those things. Those things come back, they they do,
you know, and having flashbacks on your way up the mat.
Not proud, but you know, the mobs, a montage of
Devon in the seventies and just suffering. But I was.
(30:56):
I was suffering that whole time. It was everyone's like,
oh man, this feels so good. Everyone always says that
about working out. I'm like, no, this fucking sucks. Yeah.
So yeah, that was just a genuine truth. To go
back to one other play of the season, obviously, like
this wasn't anything that won you anything, but you memorizing
the entire twenty digit code is something to be, something
(31:18):
to be acknowledged. That was I knew Louie the drone
thing when he was like do zoo zero zero and
you guys did that one. I that's all I got
from that. That was impressive. So seeing that, I'm like
still not surprised, I mean, proud to call you a friend,
but it was just like, damn, this guy's really good
(31:42):
with the numbers. I appreciate that. Yeah, this, I would
say really impressive. This final appearance was about as on
brand as a pot could have possibly been. I didn't
do great in the endurance portions. I had to take
a break during the strength achievement, but you know I
(32:04):
really thrived, you know where my abilities can can you know, wait,
can I just say this? You guys weren't that far
apart at the end, were you? I think we lost
by like ten minutes. Yeah, that's that's amazing, Ye shutouts
like hours we have to wait for you. Yeah that's
oh yeah, no it was. It was pretty close. But
(32:26):
it was also you know, looking back on it hurt
a little bit because if I had just played less
pool and taken more laps. Uh. There was a legitimate
shot there. And that's why it's so impressive to win
this show because the focus and the consistency it takes
to keep not only your mind, but your body and
condition to win throughout this whole game with all these
(32:49):
things getting thrown at you that you have to dodge.
Anybody that wins this deserves a lot of credit. Yeah,
I agree. Um, I think that there's not many people
who would potentially give et or run for his money
because cts so strong and both at the athletic department
and also numbers and puzzles. But Devin, I think that
if you not that I want to change anything about you,
(33:09):
because I love you the way you are, But if
you decided to go fucking ham in the gym, you
would be an absolute monster. No one could touch your Next,
we've got to get out of the fucking van. I mean,
I'm one foot out and I'm back and crossing. I'm
going to take steroids. Okay, well fine, we'll take them
together here. First test me. I don't I don't want
(33:33):
to get I don't want to get a hairy chest.
But um, you blood dope, oh god, till whatever you
want to do. Call you after this. Um, it's terrified. No,
but it is kind of that way. It's like when
you're really you excel at all of these things and
then you just need that one element. Yeah, all right.
(33:54):
Who do we think is the MVP of this entire season? Casey? Yeah,
i'da Casey too. Yeah, you have to give I mean,
she won, She came off of an injury, She was
locked in all season crushed challenges. She did a lot
of stuff no one else could do too, like that
jumping to from thing to thing the heights of her
(34:16):
water thing. She was the only girl to do that. Ye,
she was the only girl, only girl and the other
heights of her water to actually retrieve one of the
capsule capsule. Yeah, and she had a girlfriend the whole time.
She was balancing, like her relationship the game pretty hot it, Casey.
I give it to Casey as well. Most improved. Who
(34:37):
do we think is the most improved? Most improved? Uh?
Probably Gabbo. I don't know what. I don't know, I
don't know what he was like before, but but he's
definitely improved someone. But he's definitely better. I know I'm
better after meeting him. Oh, I'm gonna go get go,
(34:58):
get the piece of big I excuse me, Oh sorry,
Corey told me that worst roommates ever for him. I
want to give it to Josh. Oh okay, I could
see that, yeah, because he's just you know, he's getting
better at listen like, of course, everybody's gotta blow up
every season, but he's getting better at acknowledging it and
(35:19):
handling it and grow when he is. It's little increments
of growth, but he's getting better. I mean, I liked
Nannie has my most improved because I've seen her over
the years just be like not a terror, but she
used to go off. I don't think she realized her potential.
I think she found somebody who really supports her. Yeah,
(35:40):
and in that, I think she really found herself and
she's you know, she's great. So I'm gonna toss that
one her way. What about best uncle, best uncle, M,
best uncle CT. We don't understand where there's not a
best aunt too, so I could have gotten it. Yeah
that you would have gotten Auntie, and for sure, I know,
(36:03):
but it's okay, smell dominated world. I guess all right.
What about best couples to my danger square was the
best hook up and unspoken The Danger Square. Yeah, yeah,
you cannot come in here. I'll never forget sure danger squares.
(36:28):
I'm in my sere squares. I mean there's a square
in the kitchen. It's a tiled floor, and every time
I got in this square, danger happened. Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot. I mean there were skittles, guys. It's
that's that's a challenge. Confidentially, probably should have told you
months ago, but you know, I've kind of let this
one just die down. You know, it's not really I
(36:50):
just will never forget Jeremiah's face when he was touching
your body in the Danger Square and his he was
so drunk his eyes were crossed. Man, I was so drunk,
I don't I got mad at him, stormed off. I
don't even know why. The next day I'm like, I'm sorry.
There was some epic moments. I will say it was
(37:10):
the Skittle. It was like the Skittle Pass, the funniest,
funniest season I think I've ever done, just just from
sheer like absurdity. There was so many absurd things that
were happening on a daysis Hue. In general, it's hard
every day I was like numb to the absurdity at
(37:32):
one point. But yeah, like I'd look around and to
be like, absolutely, mayhem happening over here, like Hughey's tworking,
niece's in her danger square. I was it was too
much to even process. The kitchen was a dangerous spot.
It was. I was walking around with my French press. Actually, yeah,
(37:52):
it like broke day two. You were so happy you
were talking about it all quarantined or like I brought
press immediately. Okay, Corey smashed it. It's like, what the fuck? Yeah,
we can't have nice things, man, the best couple definitely
naughty and Casey for sure, We're sure there. So he
(38:13):
took up were the two plumbers? Oh that was a
funny one. I mean, I still don't know what was
called naked? And she was fully dressed. I'm like what
that's the part where I'm like, were they dry? Help? Like,
what happened? This is one of the sweatpants that hit
(38:38):
know about. Was he just like, desire my body like this?
And he just looked at him. Was it they call
it gazing? I've heard him. I was just looking at him.
Dave gazing, Dave gazing gaze okay, well we're back on track,
(38:59):
which is good. The messiest moment, oh god, sponsored by
Messi Fessi. It has to be sponsored by the only
man to be Pizza. It has to be the pizza. Yeah. Yeah,
it's such a collaboration of fuck ups. It was me,
it was Corey, it was Josh, it was Fessi, it
(39:20):
was Esther, it was Amber. It was such a collaboration.
It was the messiest explosion. I'm gonna make one just
I guess co nomination here and give it to the
night that we went out after you guys didn't eat
or drink any water. Everyone threw up. Dude, Amanda threw
(39:44):
up in the plant. She who fell asleep someone? People
were falling asleep, like in the aisles of the bus.
Tory just wanted deritos. She wanted a big Derito rant.
She was like, I needed derito. I was like when
she sat in the front like a good girl, that
I bathed her. When we got home. That bus was mayhem. Yeah, absolutely,
(40:09):
so many people were cursing out security. Yeah, would themselves
someone someone threw up in the plant. I was that
people were I was like, what is going on here? Yeah?
They were like you have one hour to consume all
the I'm like, this should be a challenge. Reminded me
of like when a bunch of moms get together and
they have like one night out and it just like
goes terribly wrong. I just had that last night, not
(40:32):
even a mom. Yeah, but I'm of age. It was
pretty funny after like a PTA meeting, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It starts with one spritzer and then all of a
sudden get some you know, Cosmos going and draft Cosmos. Right,
I had a martini in there because they're trying to
be cute. I'm like two bottles of Sutter Home. Yeah yeah,
(40:56):
all right, Well this brings me too, because that night
was a shit show. Who do you think the worst
housemate was to live with? I have an answer for this,
but I want to know what you guys think. Well,
I would say, Big Tea, I love her to death.
I'm like, where did where did my slides go? Oh?
They're on your feet? Oh you know, I just sold them,
so I thought they were mine. No, Big Tea, that's
(41:18):
actually not how it goes. And then I would watch
her in the kitchen because our kitchen was disgusting, and
I would do dishes with the girls, and I'm looking
at her, and I would stare at her, like, I
know you're gonna rent that off, right, And no, she doesn't.
She doesn't clean dishes. Fests and clean dishes logan. I
would stare at him and he'd be like, this, no,
my problem, Oh damn it, I wish you were ugly. Yeah, dude.
(41:44):
The thing about Big Tea and I didn't realize until
the very end of the game. And I love her
to death. They think she's fucking incredible and hilarious. But
there was at one point in time there were so
little people left in the house, but there was a
lot of storage space still, and I would walk by
the upstairs hallway and there was at least one dress
dropped in the bottom of every single closet. There was
like at least twelve closets, and they were all big
teeth clothing. The entire house is her closet, the entire house.
(42:07):
Every literally, we don't live in a home. You live
at said teas. You live a big teas closet. Yeah,
oh god, and over a Batteas steakhouse. I don't know
why I said. The other house. I don't know about
the cleanliness of your house. I don't know if you
(42:28):
guys noticed this. I don't think a single one of us,
maybe Nelson, with the exception of Nelson from the poolhouse,
even went over there. Aside from in the kitchen, I
never went upstairs. It's a messy one too. Yeah, we
were over there in our own little fucking private paradise,
you know what, just because you guys found that first. Fine,
(42:49):
But the other thing is I like my sleep, and
you guys would stay in there all the pool tournaments
starting and then fucking eighteen you know, foamers later we
have rationed, rationed beers. Let me say, yeah, yeah, they
were rashioned beers around the pool table tournaments seven point
zero and no one's sleeping in there. That's why I
(43:11):
was like, I was kind of happy about the house
and had earplugs and I asked, I was out. Yeah, man,
let's speaking about you being out. I want to also
give you the word for worst injury. That was so sad.
And you know what, you only have a few of
those injuries in a lifetime. And and he'sa I wish
you didn't have it while we were there. I wish
(43:32):
you never had it. At all. That was now. It
was the worst pain I've ever experienced in my life. Um,
I wish I could have been there because I feel
like like Max and I would have been really solving
the ship out of those puzzles in that final Um,
you were missed. You were definitely missed. I know I
missed you, guys. The other person I would want to say,
(43:54):
not just me, was naked Tommy with the concussion barfing
on the seaside. I mean, I don't know, I don't
I don't mean what I know. This is how ruthless
terrible injury. This is how ruthless people are too. So
that happened to Tommy, right, obviously we all saw it,
you know, fully naked fourth grade teacher washes up on
(44:15):
the beach with him severely concussed. And then we're on
the bus ride home and everyone had picked a song
to put on a playlist. Tommy's a country music fan,
so h his song plays and he's like, hey, guys,
this is my song, this is my song. He's all
fired up. We let it play for about fifteen seconds
and then collectively the entire bus booze Tommy, you and
(44:36):
your stupid song. He sit like, god, damn it, I
can't what it was one I can't see straight. But
all I was to hear was one country. Yeah. Yeah,
it didn't work out for him. A great guy though,
he really retired from television. He said he's done. Well.
(44:57):
You know, Big Red, you will always live of in
our hearts. Yes, he was an angel, he was a
he was a freaking angel. And now he's he got
promoted to vice principal at the school. So he's that's awesome.
Congratulations Tommy, that's a big red deal. Oh yeah, yeah,
he's a VP. Yeah, goddamn son. Don't don't quote. Don't
(45:17):
quote me on that. That could be a whole lie,
but I think he is. I'm pretty sure. Might have
made it up, but I'm pretty sure, but I don't
really know. But I think I may have dreamt about
it last night, but I'm not really sure how accurate is.
Don't take my word for him, but I think he's
the vice principal. It could be the vice principal. Now, okay,
let's talk about this. So all season long, on the
(45:39):
end of the podcast, we have been asking the question,
you know, who's the biggest spy, the biggest liar and
the biggest ally from the episodes, and so we did
a tally of every guest's answers, and so there is
a seven way tie for who we think the biggest
spy was. We have Emmy CT, Ashley, Amanda, Kyle Big Tea,
and Devin whoa ct C will always be the biggest spy. Yeah,
(46:05):
CT is a spy. He puts the spy in spi
analysis puts he put the spy spy by a cop.
I'm really here. You really did reach. He was like, go, go,
gadget arm reach. I think that's fair. I think he's
(46:30):
you know, had an invisibility cloak on for the first
fucking yeah five weeks of that that challenge and I'm
trying to win enough and I'm just you know, I'm
just what I'm doing. Yeah yeah, but you know you
can only you can only play that game I think
once and like this style. He always plays that style,
(46:53):
but I think he can really only do that once.
And uh he made a count. So he used that's
like one of your your trump cards and UNO or whatever,
like if you use it, you better win the game.
And yeah, right, yeah, So we also have a two
way tie for a liar we have it between Kyle
and Josh. Kyle Josh, I, I honestly think Josh because
(47:16):
I can't figure out Kyle still. And Josh admits that
he lied about Kel's like he admits that, oh yeah,
I totally forgot about him fabricating and oh yeah yeah,
and I love what do you do? Did I miss this? Wait?
In the very beginning of the season, he basically openly
admits to making up these lies about Kel's having all
(47:36):
those alliances and oh when Kells is like, did you
make a deal? Did you make a deal, and everyone's like,
oh no, it wasn't me. Yeah, Josh lied about that.
I didn't know that interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that
is a good qualifying point for biggest liar is actually
just lying. Yeah yeah. There's an ally two way tie
(48:00):
between Emmy and Tory. Listen, you know who we gotta
give it to, and it's not me because I have
marks against my alliess, So I gotta take myself out
of the equation and we gotta give it to Emmy.
You know, I'm fine with that. I agree. So what
we've got ct biggest spy, Josh, biggest lie, and the
biggest ally Yeah. Hugh Nelson yelling spies, lies and Allies. Yeah,
(48:24):
spies and Allies aka Radio Silence, welcome to challenge Spies,
lies and Allies. A ka's huh. I can't believe I
missed it, and I'm mad that I missed it while
we were watching it, and I really want to watch
(48:47):
it back. Oh god, it was so good. It was
really good. Yeah, Okay, I'm not going to go any
more anymore in lat because I absolutely love him. He's incredible.
We love but if we can't make fun of our
friends in this world, who can we make fun of
we have? Let's talk about how incredible it was to
(49:11):
have you on this podcast, Devin. We are still currently
petitioning for you to be the third co host. So everybody, please,
if you're listening to this episode and you love Devin Walker,
we need you to send an email right now to MTV.
We don't want to even tag our socials anymore. I'm
okay with him taking half of my paycheck, so please,
we're gonna send it. And have you heard that here? First,
I didn't say that. That was Victorian deal that said
(49:35):
she would share her paycheck. MTV don't cut mine, And
I'm just going to me at gmail dot com just
Stevelment MTV at Gmail would be sure to respond to everybody.
I appreciate the I appreciate the love girls, but honestly,
I think that there isn't two better people for this podcast.
(49:57):
You guys have crushed it now back to back seasons
with all stars in between. Um, so congratulations on you know,
getting out there and fucking bringing some fire content to
the stage. Always happy to join you, open acceptance of
any invite. You heard it here first, but yes, yes,
And Devin, where can we follow you on Instagram and
(50:19):
shout out your only fans on your feet? It's MTV
Underscore Devin on Instagram. It is MTV Devin Walker on Twitter. Um,
keep your eyes peeled. A lot of people have been
pushing for me to get a TikTok and uh oh,
there's a there's a chance that it that it goes down,
but oh yeah, I'll leave it right. Well, what could
(50:40):
we expect on there? I guess you could text us
later and run some ideas. Did you say TikTok or
dick Took. It's a new platform called dick Took. Dick's
just swing. Yeah, it's a it's an all it's an
all dick podcast where it's kind of whatever noise a
bunch of dicks. Yeah, whatever noise they make, let's record that.
(51:01):
But we have gone off the rails we have. This
is such a way to start our Friday morning. You know,
who needs coffee when you have dick tok. Holy fuck? Yeah.
But that's where that's where you can find me, and
that's where I'll be, and that's where i'll always be.
All right, is right on there? All right? Perfect? Anissa?
(51:22):
Where can we follow you? And how can we support you?
Anissa MTV on Instagram. I don't really go on Twitter.
You guys know that I don't like it. Too many
trolls under the bridge m um, Yeah, send me your
listener questions. There are so many. I think we just
need a podcast solely for listener questions because I have
so many of them. Yeah, Cory, where can we find
(51:44):
you and support you? You guys can find me at
Tory Underscore Deal on Instagram. I need you, guys to
do something more important to follow me MTV at gmail
dot com sending that email. Let's get Devin Walker on
this podcast because it's been an incredible season. He's the
only person ever to remember a twenty digit code after
a fifty five mile run and we just I puzzled
(52:05):
and fifteen miles but it was a lot though anyway,
So we just want to make sure that we keep
this podcast going and strong and even those spies lies
and Allies is over. Make sure you check out all
Stars two one Paramount plus and then join us Fridays
for our All Stars two recaps only on MTV's official
Challenge podcast. Oh yeah, and don't forget zero five one
(52:27):
two one zero one six one zero zero two one
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