The Big Mistake w/ Nurys Mateo

Nurys Mateo talks about seeing Jordan for the first time in a long time, the secret alliance that's masterminding everything you don't see and of course.... all things Horacio. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, everyone, it's Devin Simone.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey y'all, it's Davion Rogers and this is MTV's official
challenge podcast, Woo Day.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
The streets are hot, the streets are talking.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
There's a lot going on. This episode had a lot
going on as well. First, I gotta say, look, I
know I've seen the DMS about the Bananas thing, all right,
and I know I've had some strong opinions and still
did about the Mariah and James thing. But Bananas is
acting like a straight up f boy.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
So take that. Take that what you will.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
And I can admit when I need more information before
I give an opinion on things. So I just say
that I don't condone Banana's behavior either.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
But we love this accountability.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
We we love accountability here right, nobody's above it. We
love accountability. We also love this week's episode. Okay, So
first we have the challenge called Bingo Bengo right three
times fighting in a pit full of mud, and I'm
talking about nasty mud like, not even that good spa
mud like. Really, the producers must not like you all.
Then we have the winning team, which is the Red Team.

(00:58):
He Manuel Arassio, Island, Zara Berna and Colleen, but it
looked like there was a little bit of sabotage and
going on in there.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Then we have the winners vote in Melissa, and that
gets a little heated too. I mean we see Neurice
making eyes at had Ostrio like, boy, you better get
in line.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Ultimately ends up being Melissa.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Then the house itself votes in Big Tea, which Melissa
was doing everything in her power not to let that
be the case, but ultimately the girls and their friendship
just couldn't save themselves. Then we get into the draw.
Who's the champ that's coming out this week? We're talking Cass,
Yes Challenge World Champion, Cast, Yes Challenge UK Champion, Caz

(01:36):
two time champion, Like she's a hundred percent winner. Those
are some impressive stats she's coming up. She draws Big Tea.
So now we got Big T versus Cass. It seems
like the whole house is actually voting for Cast, which
is just a whole other level of wrong. But you
know whatever, Right, Well, Big T says, don't give up
on me, my lip gloss or my wig, although she

(01:57):
almost forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Her wig when she was leaving the arena.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
She goes against Kaz send Kaz home, which means Big
Tea is the first person to ever eliminate Kaz in
a challenge game.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Power. Yes, absolutely powerful.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So not only did Big T save the ten thousand
dollars in the prize pot, she saved her behind as well.
And now she's coming back into the house to day.
What were your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Y'all, Benna, stop sending my girl down there, because one thing,
I'm a firm believer.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
The more youth in a person to the elimination, the
stronger they be.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Come like, she's gonna come back.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
She's gonna come back hungrier.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Every saw it last season with Chris saw last season every.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Time you could come back hungry or let that girl alone. Okay,
she took out a toll time challenge Champ. Sure you're
gonna let me tell her nothing. You ain't gonna be
able to made it look easy look kind of easy
when she did it.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
And baby has strategy?

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Do you think has absolutely had strategy?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You're smart with it. I think they underestimate Big.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
T the same way I feel like Melissa underestimates Corey's gameplay.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Because Melissa said, we're gonna get into the.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Timeouts, why don't we just get into the time about nomination.
So my contenders first one is gonna be Melissa, because Melissa,
I don't know what show or game you've been watching
or participating in, but from what we've seen the last
few episodes, there's a lot of things you can trust
in that house.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Corey is not one of them.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Not so when Melissa says, oh, I feel like I
can trust Corey girl with what she's like, he's on
his own island. Yes, for good reason, ma'am don't trust him,
So she is a contender for in the time out.
Also does Asoff know he's a part of the international community.
The way aesof has just turned on everything international is

(03:40):
just wild to me, Like, I understand you're a part
of this alliance too, but bruh, Like where is the
loyalty at all? And then my other Timeout contenders are
all the people who had a sour face when Big
t One, all the people who had a sour puss
face when she won. Their contenders for I'm out and
my award for time Out is actually going to go

(04:02):
to the sour pusses. Yep, I'm gonna need you to
eat krog just like I had to do. Earlier in
this episode recognized to stop playing with Big T and
be happy like because you guys are still technically a
part of a team that needs you have more money
in your prize pot. She still can be advantageous as
you guys are working with her in the game.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So shout out to Big T, who gets your time out?
My timeout go to Melissa hands down. Maybe keep your
mind to yourself. I don't play that. Keep your feet
to yourself, your hands and everything that's cool with your feet,
keep your feet to yourself.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
I don't play that. You don't kick We won't do that.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And it was somebody they weren't even in the game,
wasn't even in play. The ball was already gone. So
you kick me off some snake stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
That's a problem. And if Nuris would have turned around
in well PG thirteen.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Davon is working on herself.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm working if you're not, I'm finding it work, I'm
finding it. So that is my time out for the week.
I I think that that was very low. My gold
star of the week goes to my little engine that could,
and that is Big T. I love me some her
and I'm giving it to her one because she proved
herself to be who she.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Is in this game.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
She is a challenger. Please stop underestimating her. She is
a challenger.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
And then also could she saved the day, y'all could
have easily lost ten thousand dollars from your little pot.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
She secured the bag literally, So I'm going to give
it to Big T for sure.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Shout out to Big T.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I'm going to have to give my gold star in
conjunction with Davon to Big T because she just dominated
to such a beautiful job, had a beautiful attitude and energy.
I hope she's proud of herself. She was so excited
she forgot her wits. She left her hair in the arena.
Sometimes it bees like that.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I'm just yeah. Usually I don't. I mean, I'm bury mine,
as you guys know.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
But she did.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
She was that excited. So shout out to Big T
for being the gold star. You guys, we have so
much coming up in this interview. You know, there's been
some talk in the Twitter streets. We're gonna get into that.
There's also been talk around this whole Mariah James Bananas thing.
I was tagging some stuff day, was tagging some stuff
about me, so was our guest, and so yeah, I'm

(06:14):
excited for us to get down to it and talk
it out and talk out all the other things that
went on this episode, including a lot of.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Tea that you didn't get to see.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
You know, we love that.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So grab a snack, do some exercises trained like you're
gonna be the next mercenary in a season of the Challenge,
so that way you're prepared, and stay tuned right here
because we have a very special guest. We're talking the
fabulous Nourise Matteo coming up right after this.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I am so excited about our guests today. I was
a very vocal while the season was filming that that
is my girl. I love her and I'm so excited
to see her play this season. We have Nourse joining
us today on the podcast Give it Up on top
of Misinsrae, Hello, everybody, welcome.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
I'm nervous to be here today.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Wait, why you come across as the never scared woman
on the Challenge, So why are you nervous to be here?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
I really, I really am not. I'm so outspoken. It's
kind of bad. I think that's why I think watching
it back and seeing how outspoken I've been I'm like, wow, okay,
maybe sometimes you need to shut up. And now I'm
on here and all we're all we're gonna be doing
is talking and chitch and like you know, gossiping, and
I'm like, you're the thing. You're on grave, but I'm
never I'm here to give Yell the tea.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
We want to get in to wait because baby, before
we even jump into this episode, I want to know
what's going on in the social.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Media streets with you and miss Olivia.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
What's that not the social media.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
They give a reference really quick though, what you're talking about?

Speaker 4 (07:47):
What's what's going on? Because there was a video going around.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I saw it on the Twitter streets, but apparently she
was live on the Instagram where she was speaking and
she was very very like it wasn't very clear. She
was very vague, but she just said about the Nurise situation.
What's the Nourise situation?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I think, uh, I think what the fans are seeing
is because obviously I don't follow her anymore. I removed
her as a follower and followed her and from there,
obviously a lot of the fans they pay attention to
those things. I don't know how they even figure these
things out. But they found out that I unfollowed her,

(08:23):
and I think they're just nosy and they want to
know why me and her aren't friends anymore?

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Wait, can you give us a clue?

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wait, wait wait, but can we get a clue as
to why you guys? Does it have to do with
anything that starts with a sound, you know, like.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
A an h? No?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
No, obsolutely no, not not at all, okay, just curious.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So then so it has to.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
I don't know if I could give y'all a clue
just yet.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Nurice, don't overthink just overshare wasn't significant enough that it
should really back to you all's friendship, because you, guys
seem like you had a real, true outside of the house,
you know, not like a Corey and ASoft friendship where
Corey set out do you two in weeks and ASoft
was like, why'd you vote me in? But like you
and Olivia like a real friendship, And so was this

(09:15):
thing significant enough to really change that?

Speaker 5 (09:19):
I say so? I think so. I pride myself on
having like I. One of the few things you can
be is a great friend to other people, and I
am very grateful and I think everybody that's like my
actual close friend is someone that has the moment answered
my life to haven't left. I treat my friends the
exact same way I want to be treated, and that

(09:39):
the energy wasn't reciprocated. And sometimes people aren't meant to
stay in your life forever. They're just meant to be
there for a little bit, you know, teach you some
life lessons and then you keep a pushing And I
think that's kind of where I'm at with her right
now in life.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
So day, what are your thoughts on that you're making
a lot of faces and you're never this quiet. What
are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Because I'm trying to, you know, make the math math,
and I'm right assumes point Olivia must have crossed Tarascio
at some point something happened.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
I might be wrong. I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I have a theory too that I'm wrong and it's bold,
and I would get some Twitter hate for I know,
but it's just my theory and if I'm wrong, I'm
so wrong.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I want to hear it Twitter.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Okay, here's that theory.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
And this is based off of literally the not even
full breadcrumb that Nuricius gave, because we all know Nurice gave.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
It's no real quick right.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
So.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just I know this is literally so it could be.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Wildly off, and it's it is not a reflection of
my thoughts on anyone.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
It's just what I have to make up off of
what little I have.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Okay, So my theory is that now, I know we've
asked Olivia about this before on the podcast, and I
know that they were just buddies, but my thoughts are
deep down somewhere, maybe in a back door, hidden in
a basement cellar, underneath the dirt.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
There was a little bit a feeling from Olivia towards Arasio.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
They're both beautiful people, right and like French, and they're young,
same eight like you know, and that's normal, and even
though they were just friends that there.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Were still at least on once at least a little
bit of that.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
And then but because Rassio is slow moving and pretty
chill for the most part, as we start to see
in this episode, she maybe was happy with just the friendship. Well,
then Arasio makes moves and shows real interest and kind
of like it was pursuing someone else. And I think
it may be brought up that those feelings that were
down in the basement cellar around the corner, underneath some dirt,

(11:35):
and I think it may have affected whatever moves she
made in the game or things she did, whether it
was a crossing Haracio crossing Nuris or both, I think
or I wonder if that was affected by some feelings
she may have had that she realizes can't happen now
because he's really invested in Nuris.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
I will say, like, everything that you just said, all
that crossed my mind one thousand percent, and it's still
actually probably one of the bigger questions I have, because
I feel like, I mean, I completely agree. I think
a lot of the reasons why certain things happened I
have no real answers to. And I think that after

(12:13):
speaking to certain people learn even just like giving my
thought process about everything that happened, that's everyone's perception. Everyone's
perception is like, maybe she did actually have feelings for him,
maybe there was actually something more there from her side.
But I will say that once I'm a very great communicator,
especially my friendships. I will say even in this episode,

(12:34):
this specific episode, they show us in the pool at
one point, obviously, and they show us talking and Melissa's
there That same exact day, I pulled Olivia aside as
we were in the pool, and I had that conversation
with her because I was like, hey, like, as someone
who is your best friend and you're also best friends
with Rosco, I just want to make sure that there
was never any type of anything there, you know, where

(12:55):
I'm slightly stepping on your toes upsetting you not being
a good friend. And she reassured me that that wasn't
the case. She was a great friend in that moment,
you know, was like here, I'm happy for you guys,
But I don't know. Now, looking back at everything, I
think that that might have been something that was a
bit underlying, but I guess I don't. I won't really know.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
I mean, I'm gonna say I get paid a lot
of money to analyze people's relationships. That's my other job,
as some of y'all know, and I just sounds and
seems and then you saying that you guys were like
basically calling each o their best friends at a point
seems significant. But when it plays out, I'm excited to
see see what more of it.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
But speaking of that.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Time in the pool, let's get into this week's episode,
and actually even before we get into this week's episode,
let's go back to last week's episode session Jordan, okay,
when we know, not the Toork session, when we had Jordan,
when we had Jordan B Jordan, all right, when we
had Jordan b himself and just crush it. What was

(13:56):
your thought when you saw him come out into that
you know, what was the energy and the bible like
in the house when you guys went back in after Jordan.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Just don't Jordan, let's not pass by that. It was Jordan's.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Exactly honestly watching him, watching him, watching him come out.
It was such an iconic moment. I don't know, I
still feel like sometimes as I'm in the moment, I'm
still like that fan that's watching from my house. So
watching him come out, I was like just like freaking out.
I was super excited because I knew, oh, now it
doesn't matter who goes down, they're going home. And so

(14:32):
we were super happy about that because obviously we really
wanted to get one of the UK guys out. And
so you guys.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Were like losing money, like you guys were okay with
losing a person each time, even if it meant losing
ten k each time.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
To be honest, yes, every time we had I think
we had a mission of just, honestly just trying to
keep our American alliance together, dwindle the numbers for everybody else,
and if that meant losing ten k, then we lost
ten k. We also are hopeful in this moment that
there's possibly going to be a chance to win more
money down the line, so we're not We're not really

(15:05):
scared of losing ten k if that means, you know,
we'd get one of the bets to do our dirty
work and get them out of the house.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Was that your first time seeing Jordan since y'all.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
That noodle?

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Jordan and I were actually really good friends after season
thirty eight. We hung out countless yeah, countless amount of times,
literally straight platonic, like never hooking.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Up, like not even one date.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
We we did go out on a date, but I
will say at that point it was more of a
friendship to be honest, Like when we got out of
the house, me and him had a talk and decided like, no,
we are just friends. I realized in that moment, I
was like, I have a lot of things that I
need to work on myself, and I wasn't ready for
even like the talking stage nothing. I was like not

(15:51):
just to stay away from it all. And then, like
I said, we continue being friends. I would be there
with him, like as he'd hook up with other girls.
It was like straightways, yeah, wait, like we would go
out to the clubs that like he would be macking
it with other girls and I'm like, yeah, I get it,

(16:11):
you know what i mean, strip on it.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
And then right before I went to the film thirty nine,
literally about a week before, he unfollowed me on Instagram.
Still don't know what I possibly did to him to
get the un follow So we are currently not friends apparently.
So when he first came into the house, I'm seeing
him come out, I'm excited because I'm like, well it's Jordan.
I still have a lot of love for him, and
obviously we want him to get people out. But then

(16:35):
I'm like, motherfuck are you and followed me for no reason?
And we were friends, so yeah, right now, no friendship,
no nothing aside from yeah that's that's how did.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
You know he han followed you? Like how did you
just notice that?

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Off the because like I said, we're friends. So he
had posted a story, so I remember replying back to
his story saying something like it was something about his
NASCAR stuff that he's been doing the racing, and I
remember saying like a concrats, like you're so like this
is so dope, so up your alley something like that,
and I got no reply for like days, so I
thought that was weird. So when I went to the
Instagram to see if he ever saw the message, it

(17:09):
was never read. And then I was like, can follow me?
And then I check it said on following us, So
he purposely didn't open my message. Okay, that's from your friends.
So I really don't know what I did to get
the unfollow But he's also in a relationship now, so
maybe that had something to do with it. So if
they had to do with, you know, him respecting the
girlfriend that he has, now I completely understand. I completely

(17:31):
get it.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
A little insecurity then okay, yeah, well let's.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Talk about the relationship that actually matters, because we get
into this day with you and you.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Mad girl, you and your man.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Okay, watch the entire episode.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I literally got blessing right now.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I mean hard, I mean she's read.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
I feel the exactly like watching it back. I was like,
I think it's crazy that I'll feel that exact same way.
I still feel like a little girl. I feel like
it's my first crush ever, and it's just yeah, it's
it's insane as wild.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
What is it about him other than his looks because he.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Oh yeah, Honestly, I think it's really just his personality,
Like I'm his actual friend as well, and I just
like the way that he carries himself.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
I also felt like I'm seeing a different right now
in the show, Like I'm seeing a different side of
him that I had never seen before. We were friends
last season, but he was still very quiet, reserved, didn't
get to see too much of his personality then this
time around, now that we have more of a friendship,
Like I'm getting to see his sense of humor where
most people don't get to see that, and so I'm

(18:45):
seeing the sense of humor. I'm seeing how good of
a friend he was to me, gave me great advice,
he was someone that I was constantly. I was constantly
going to talk to him in Kyland about anything and everything.
And so them always being there for me, especially Orosco
always being there for me. He was I just naturally
became super comfortable around him, and then the conversations would
get deeper. So now I'm knowing him a bit more

(19:06):
deeper and knowing more but his family, knowing by his upbringing,
knowing why he is the way that he is in
the house because he's not someone that's very easy and
making friendships or being you know himself. Really, I feel
like he's super shy, and I don't know. I felt
like just because I was seeing a different side of him,
he was opening up more. I was like, Oh, who.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Is who is this guy?

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Like this is not someone I've ever seen?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Who were the first move? Like who was the first
one to hint?

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Well, actually, let's back up, before you guys were in
the house this time, did either one of you ever
like kind of test the waters or just like even
throw it out there to like, because obviously you guys
are beautiful people, you've done the show together. You both
were single at certain points, so like, prior to come
to the house, was it ever even some did even
anybody say anything to you being like, oh you two
should date?

Speaker 5 (19:52):
So no one ever told me anything but me and
him were very flirty on Instagram for coming up, like
like this whole time, Like he'd reply back to my
stories and like send hard eyes. And we have a
song that we would always be like, oh, it's our
song because we danced to it last season, and so
whenever that song would come on in the cars, and
then like he would send me a video of himself

(20:13):
like singing it, send it to me, and like little
things like that would happen.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Playing the Long Game.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Okay, all right, playing the Long Games. You're like, this
is new.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I was like, nah, I've been playing this out a while.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Exactly. So it was just and then, like I said,
so now, being in the house in that environment, I
didn't actually find this out till like we got out
of the house. We're talking and you know, just re
talking about everything. But I was crushing on him for
a while, and I told my roommates who and who.
He was still there at the time. So I told
you who he and Zaza and Olivia, And it was

(20:49):
a whole thing of me being like I'm crushing on him.
I don't know what to do. I'm not going to
act on it because I'm not his cup of tea.
But apparently they told him. I didn't not know that
he told me this months ago. They told him. I
don't know exactly who it was, but they told him like, hey,
justin you know, Nuris has a crush on you. And

(21:10):
that's what made him finally make a move on me,
which then made me be like, wait, you're making a
move on me. And so technically i'd say he made
the first move. It wasn't me.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
You know what was the first move he made? Like,
was it a kiss? Was it?

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Well, they didn't show us together last episode, right him? Okay,
so they showed me okay, So that that's when it started.
That day, Berna actually really liked Oraco. Actually a lot
of girls like him, not gonna lie. Jess was sitting
on him when he was she was there. Berna liked him.

(21:48):
I'm trying to think of who else. You know, everyone
mention how him and who you were super close, like
he was a hot commodity. But Berna really liked him,
and so she kept giving him like lap dances on
the bus Black dancers here and he me and Zaza
looked at him at one point from the back of
the bus and he's like this like kind of kind
of getting away from her, and she's and she's getting
closer to working. So now we go to the club

(22:10):
and she's doing the same thing. She's just dancing on him,
trying to like be just burna and he's looking terrified,
like you can see it. And like I said, I'm
his friend. Right at this point, I'm crushing but he
doesn't know, at least from what I thought.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, so I go to save him.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
I go to save him. I'm like, hey, like whenever,
we're just talking and all of a sudden, he grabs me,
puts me on his lap. Oh I don't know where
mind you, he's over here terrified of her giving him
a dance. So I'm like, who the heck is He
puts me on his lap, on his lap, and he's
like and I'm just looking literally I'm not jaw dropped
him like, and I was like I look around. I said, well,

(22:45):
I'm here now, and then he looks at me and
he was like, oh, are you seeing somebody like outside
of here? And I was like no. He's like, oh,
we If I would have known that, I would have
kissed you. I was literally like straight up was looking around,
like we're the cameras right now, the camera, and I
was like, are you kidding me, and he's like, yeah,

(23:06):
I'm serious. I was like, I'll see who are you? Like,
what do you mean you would have kissed me? Like
it was just so strange, But yeah it was him
in for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
That you brought up Hue because the streets was trying
to say that has she not gotten sent home, then
it would you know you this would have never happened.
So I would like to make sure that everybody understands
Nurice is clarified.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
She was helping her get the man.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
So let's I mean who he had a boyfriend. But
I will say, I will say, and I'm wich Odosia
was here because I would have said it right here.
I will say something in me still somewhat tells me
the same thing. She had a boyfriend, so like she
was she knew like no, but I think mean once
again as his friend. At the beginning, I always thought

(23:57):
that a girl like who who he was more or
his speed than someone like.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Because you said that when you when you say someone
like you or what you didn't think you were?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
What about it? Did you think?

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Like I just I don't know. I feel like the
past the past year I was working on myself a
lot because of just not liking certain things that I
had been doing. And so me, who's a bit more
of a wild card and someone who, you know, I
just lived my life and I'm not scared to do
that and I'm just me. I'm a free spirit. And
then there's someone like Gascio who's super like reserved and

(24:31):
super quiet and shy, and she kind of was more
on like the innocent side ye with him, you know
what I mean. Like everyone was like, if you ask anybody,
asked the entire cast, and did you ask anybody, Oh,
what is your perception of a who either like she
was the nicest girl?

Speaker 1 (24:46):
She really she's so sweet, sweetish.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Everybody would say that. And so when you think about Oascio,
who's someone who's so quiet and so nice, I feel
like the world would more or so see him with
someone like her because she is that she's.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
More like that.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I feel like with abs like that, it says that
somewhere deep down inside is a man who will get
this woman's.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Waist and slamp her on his let Like I don't. Yeah,
I feel like there's a little spice. The two of
you guys together just made so much sense. But did
you ever thought you would bring it out?

Speaker 5 (25:20):
I love and I love that I agree.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Do you guys? Did you have thoughts though? As you like?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I know he was already your close friend, but we
see that sometimes getting in a relationship in a house.
You sort of experienced it the last time you're on,
even though it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
A full flexed relationship.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
But they're ripple effects, right of, like you becoming romantically
involved with someone.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
If people don't like them, it just becomes this whole mess.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Did you have any reservations around that or did you
guys discuss kind of like how to separate the game
or what happens if people turn on you because of that?

Speaker 5 (25:51):
We really didn't, to be honest, I thought of anything.
I had it easier in a sense because what I
feel was a ready a part of my alliance, right.
I was always gonna protect me. He was always gonna
protect me, so nothing really had to change, And my
alliance was also already protecting him. So I was like, Okay,
if people don't like him and don't want to protect him,
most likely they were already were. Yeah, they already weren't.

(26:13):
So for me, I was like, all right, I got
the best of both worlds. At least for me, I
wasn't dealing with like what Michelle and Kalum are dealing with,
where at one point we're gonna have to throw Calum
in because he is a part of the UK and internationals,
you know what I mean. Same thing with Mariah and James.
We're gonna have to always get in some type of
argument because or even Kylin and Melissa. We have all
these people in relationships with people that are on the

(26:35):
opposite ends, and I'm like, at what point it's gonna
get sticky? But for me, I was thinking to myself, like, well,
everyone's already protecting us both, like you know, our alliance
were already protecting each other, So it makes no difference.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Let's talk about these messy couples that you just brought up.
Let's there's some mess going on in the house for sure. Okay,
so let's start with Callum and Michelle. Did you have
any inkling girl.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Broprin outside the house?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
No, honestly, no, I should I We had no idea.
But do you see the Callum looks. We should have known.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
We should have known, like what was like a playboy?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
He looks like a fuck boy, like one thousand percent.
You look at him and you're like he's cheating on
you for sure, Like there's there's no way. Yeah, and
like I love I love Callum. But as soon as
I got there, I just think back, Like I said,
I had been doing so much like work on myself,
where I was like, this was me, my dumb's my

(27:34):
dumb self. I would have been trying to shoot my
shot because he physically looks good. But I was like,
oh yeah no. I was like, thank god, I've worked
on myself and it's a lot more than just look
for now, because yeah, no, yeah, he was definitely a
fuck boy. We didn't know he really truly seemed like
he was head over heels uh with Michelle, like over

(27:55):
Michelle the entire time, Like watching the first episod what
It's seen that he had a girl that he called
He said, I.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Love you too.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah. I am texted Michelle in the moment because I
was like, wait, he had a girl friend?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
What do you say?

Speaker 5 (28:12):
He explained He said that apparently the girl was someone
that he was possibly seeing beforehand. He was like, it's
not what it seems, and I was like, you told
her you love exactly what it seems right. Me and
him had that kind of a friendship where we could
give each other shit. So I was like, no, you
were in the wrong. And I don't think he sees
that as that. But I know now that he's in

(28:33):
a relationship, but I don't know if it's with the
same girl from the show or not.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
So wild absolutely wild, Okay, so we also have to
track on another messy couple. And I will say, so,
we do a thing on the podcast here where we
do like gold stars and we do timeouts each week, right,
So the gold stars like someone or something that happened
the week that we just loved or thought was like amazing,
and then time out would be like someone or something
that happened in the game that we were just like, ah,

(29:00):
that's not good, and he can bury. Sometimes people are
nominated for both a gold Star and a timeout in
the same week, like if they did one thing another
thing that were like that was messy as hell or
whatever else. I I don't remember if you won now
because my brain holds onto no information, but I definitely
nominated you and the advice you gave Mariah for time out.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
On Twitter, being like Devin yeah, so look, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I am always a I am always a you know
where I stand. By the way, it's never any time
I ever give feedback on anyone. It's literally about that
moment in the house as we analyze it. Then it's
never about the person as a whole. Some of these
people I love as people, but will do dumb things
and things. But we you talk about this because I
said it was complete garbage advicenaries. But I also in
talking to you now and also even hearing how you

(29:46):
say that you've worked on yourself so much, so aside
from the fact of what the messiness that Bananas has
also done, which we will address later.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Honey, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna text, yeah we are.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
We will address that later.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
But you were telling so Mariah was clearly conflu on
her own right, Like clearly seemed to be like she
had mixed emotions and she was just like, I just
feel bad, which I think is probably a normal empathetic response,
whether bananas is garbage or not, is just like, you know,
you feel bad if there was someone you sort of
cared about and you feel like you might be hurting
those right and you and Thereice were like girl, don't
feel bad bad, don't worry, And I'm like nourse like

(30:19):
like's I understand you saying you see her happy, but
also like it's not bad to feel bad or not
want to pay.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
So I get that part I understood. I guess that
the wording comes off bad by me saying Okay, don't
worry about it or don't be upset. But I'm actually
like Mariah's friend, like outside of the game. So for
the past however long it's been since Rider dies and
also during Writer dies, I feel like I'm one of
the few people who actually experienced her with bananas and

(30:48):
then knows what their relationship was like outside of the
house and how things were going and just all them yeah, yeah,
the people, the stuff that people don't actually know. So
for me, the reason why I kept telling her not
necessarily don't feel bad, because obviously, naturally you're gonna feel
bad when you feel like you're doing something sneaky to someone,

(31:09):
But it was more so like do you considering like
she knew that, like I could. I think I had
said something like if it's not at least you know,
if it's if it's not James, it's definitely not Banana's.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Right, Like you say that. Yeah, Maria and I had.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Already talked for so long and she had already told me,
like it was something consistently I would be like, so,
are you guys dating yet? Are you official yet? Are
you official yet? Are you official yet? And it was
a consistent thing from me asking her, And she was.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Always likes about James, this is about y okay.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yes, and so she was always like, oh, yeah, things
are going great, but we're like, I'm never gonna git him.
We're not exclusive, this is not my boyfriend. He's probably
not going to be my boyfriend. And it was always
kind of like that, but it was always like, I
really enjoy his vibe. I've been there, Like I mean,
I'm almost twenty nine, Like I think we've all been

(32:00):
there where you have something super casual or at least
you feel like it's casual or it's not like a
super serious relationship. So that's kind of how I was
seeing that. And then I'm seeing her just be a
whole different version of herself around James and seeing how
happy she was, so for me, I mean, selfishly, I
just wanted her to put those feelings above her feelings

(32:22):
for feeling like, Oh, I'm hurting Banana so much, even
though I don't like him, even though I don't want
a relationship from him, I'm hurting him so much, and
I'm going to put my happiness to the back burner
and not act on what I want to act on
because I'm gonna come off like a shitty person on TV.
That's what that was. I think that was coming off.
And I was like, no, like, do you be happy?
Put yourself first? Like for the first time you met

(32:43):
someone that brought you out of your comfort zone, someone
that makes you happy, you're literally constantly dying. They were
dying laughing twenty four to seven in the house, Like
it was just a different vibe, And I just wanted
her to, yeah, just do whatever made her heart happy
without her feeling bad for this exact moment, Like now
watching it back on TV and seeing what the people
who know nothing about her, know nothing about her relationship

(33:05):
with Bananas or anything about just anything in general, They're
gonna put their two cents in, And then you didn't
act on it. Why, because you care about what the
fans are gonna say, like you. I think that was
more so.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
That's why she was crying. Do you think that too.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
She's more concerned about how the fans would view it
than actually like hurting it.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
I think a little bit of I think a little
bit of it all. I think, you know, Mariah is
still kind of new to this whole TV world where
I feel like a lot of things do are gonna
bother her, and there's a lot of thoughts are gonna
come to your mind before you actually do things. I
don't know, Yeah, I act on it like they're gonna
be like, oh shit, there's gonna be on TV. There's
gonna be this. I think it was kind of those
thoughts were coming through coming to her mind, and that's

(33:43):
the only reason why I, like I said, I was like,
I was trying to be a good friend. Don't like
just just go for it, just do whatever makes you happy.
And you know, and like you said before, I mean,
I dude like Bananas, but Karma's a bitch like that's
and that's just that's just the reality of it. Like
he is. I really too. I truly do love Banana's

(34:05):
like I think he's a great guy. But at the
same time, I'm like, you've done things to her people
in the past, you've done basically exactly what Mariah has
done before, You've taken other people's girlfriends.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
You don't how sometimes it's a good show, by the way.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
And mind you House of Villains. Yes, before, so.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
That is where I will grow that. Yes, Bananas was
acting a fool.

Speaker 5 (34:26):
I'm like, you are over here flirting with this other girl,
and now Mariah does the same thing back on thirty nine,
and now she's the villain. Now she is the one
that's using him, and you know, the cloud chaser, which
I think is completely untrue. And it's not fair for
him to say that because he was like, oh, yeah,
she's a cloud chaser. He just posted that the other day,
And I'm like, then, why are you so hurt if

(34:48):
she was apparently.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I think you like, I will say this and when
for all those people coming in my tweets and my dms,
know by the way, that I will never block you.
I will just mute you, so you won't get the
satisfaction of being blocked. So just know that that's ever
I don't because people were blocked like a bad Jasoner.
I'm not giving you a bad Yeah, I'm not giving
you a trophy. Ghost down, go participate in something else.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I will never block you. I will just meet you.
But the reason why.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
For those who listen to previous episodes and I was
hard is because the time he and I chat about it,
I do think there was a time he actually genuinely
cared for Riot. I will say that it doesn't excuse
fuck boy behavior, but I really do believe he cared
for her. And this was off camera, offline, off whatever.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I completely agree.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, I think he really cared for He didn't go
about it the right way. And I don't know, you know,
Nurice more of the dynamics than I do because I
don't talk to either of them regularly, But I think
that like, yeah, at the end of the day, there
is no so I think that's why he's so hurt
posting what he's posting. But like, you got to own
up to your own stuff, right, Like there is no
excuse of f boy behavior, and like you gotta you

(35:47):
were just as you know to no better.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
To do that. It just I mean, it sucks. It's
it's a very shitty situation because like being the friend
that knows so much of the information of something that
goes on between them, it was like you also know,
like I also do, can't take away from the fact
that Bananas also is really good to Mariah, Like he
he was very very good and like that's to me honestly,

(36:10):
like watching the way that he treated her on ruddered
eyes or even afterwards kind of what made my perception
of him what it is. Now why I think that
Bananas is such a great guy, it's because of the
way that he treated Mariah, and it's it's it's wild,
you know, like it's for.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
The person who said I was a clown for defending Bananas.
There you go. See even Maurice.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Said, on both sides, the streets is hot, but the
podcast is hotter. Now we need to take a quick break,
but we will be right back after this.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Can you talk about the moment because you mentioned you
reference a lot of times that you're working on your
anger and then we see you and Melissa get into
it and you seem to handle it really well. Can
you walk us through that moment when you were Melissa
could work.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
They're proud of myself, the proud maybe I really Oh,
I normally literally like zero to one hundred see red,
and I instantly like I had to learn to knock
on my hands on people because it was bad, but
in that moment, it was it was a conversation that

(37:13):
I want to have because I was like, man, I
hated the way that me and Melissa went through things
because at the end of the day, it was all
supposed to be a game. It was never supposed to
be personal until she put her hands on me or
her feet on me. So I wanted to talk to her.
The conversation was going good at the beginning, and then
she just kept I don't know what the word would be.
I guess the word condescending, Like you know when you're like, oh,

(37:34):
are passive aggressive? You know when you say things with
a fucking smile on your face? Oh? That she gets
me more mad than that someone actually being aggressive towards me,
because I'm like, don't fucking smile on my face while
you're saying a smirky remark about me. So that's why
things I think minor. Her conversation wasn't going well because
even like little things where I was like or she
was like oh yeah, I was like, oh my bad.

(37:56):
If I wanted to hold you under the water. She
kept telling me that I held out the water and
I was like, I didn't hold you under the water,
and she said, yes, you did. And I was like,
if I wanted to hold you into the water, trust me,
I would have. And she said, well, no, you wouldn't have.
And I was like, so it was just the conversation
was going nowhere but circles. We were getting nowhere. We
weren't resolving anything. And at that point I could feel
it in me, like I said, I know myself and

(38:17):
I can tell what I'm like, Oh, yeah, probably if
I stay here a minute longer, I'm just gonna end
up backhanding somebody. And so I told myself in that moment,
I was liked, no, what, I'm leaving the conversation, like
I removed myself from the whole situation. I was like,
that's what I'm done. I can't. I can't good on you?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
On you, yes, talk to what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Good on you because it wouldn't have been a push
her and we'd have been fighting.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Oh, we would have been fighting. So that that shows
your growth.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And I'm very, very proud of you to stand on
it in that environment because I don't know, whatever it
is something about the outside world. You can walk away
like whatever, I'm not going with you can go home.
You can't go home there because you are at my home.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
You know what I'm saying. You don't have to deal
with that.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
So to still maintain your composure and say I'm gonna
go I'm very very proud of you.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
I'm like, it's funny because I was getting a lot
of like negative remarks about being mentioning the anger management
and stuff, and I was like, I don't care what
you guys think. At the end of the day, I
actually had to be the one going to anger management
twice a week, Like I was the one having to
actually work on myself because I disgree. Like I said,
this past year twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three, and
twenty twenty two were probably such great years for me

(39:30):
to like in the best and the worst ways, because
I did so went through so much bad shit, but
also learn so much about myself. And that was one
of the big things for sure, Like I definitely needed
to learn to work on my anger for sure.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And that's great that you did the work.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
And also I think it's great you're talking about it
because I think some people have the idea that I
can figure it out on my own right or this
is just me take it as it is, or like
that's just how I am. And I think you serve
as an example and that not only is it okay
to be open about it, but like, no, no, no,
sometimes you do go outside of yourself to just get

(40:08):
a different perspective that can be really valuable. Right, like
that you controlling your anger is actually going to help
propel you further and the things you want to do
maybe even get you into this, you know, have be
the stepping stone for this great relationship.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
That you're in or whatever else, like a lot.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Of doors unlock when you step out of your own
way or don't block your blessing.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
So I think it's a really.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Great thing, even in the simplest way, in the simplest terms,
like that example of me being at the bar arguing
with Melissa old me a year or two ago. One
hear I would have been kicked off the challenge, and
it's something that I have always loved and have always
wanted to do. And I would have, let you know,
something as important for me as the challenge slip by,

(40:51):
and I would have lost the opportunity because in that moment,
I would have thought it was more important for me
to prove myself and prove how strong I am and
prove that I'm not someone to be messed with, and
I would have put my hands on her, and I
would have lost the opportunity and lost girl.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
See exactly, You know, everything happens for no because Hiroscio
may be in a place where he's he's you mentioned
thea before you felt like you weren't his type. But
maybe he wasn't looking for he wasn't looking for toxic
like and I don't. Obviously I'm not in the ins
and outs of Roscio. But he may be at a
growth level point where he's looking for something with like

(41:26):
signs of growth, and that's clearly where you are and
why you guys work so well. So he may have
looked at him, you smacking the crap out of somebody
and be like, I know, maybe, but here he was like,
that's a grown woman.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I like that, get on my lab.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
I like that. Him and him and Thailand, him and
Kyland are like best friends.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
So what did that do?

Speaker 5 (41:48):
They're looking from like the opposite end of the bar.
They're thinking like when you ask them about that situation.
They were like they were saying that they were so
happy on the other side, like, oh my god, look
they're talking like things are couldn't they hear me be
like no, I don't want to talk over we start
arguing and yelling and they're like, shit, here we go,
here we go. I'm serious.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I want to shift gears a little bit because you
guys gave me big brother vibes. And it could be
the Survivor people, Michelle and Jay, but you guys get me,
y'all give me big brother vibes. With this alliance, the
Fantastic four y'all trance.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Watching get Back, I was like, oh my god, the
rest of the past are going to see this for
the first time and be like, so, how.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Did this come about? Who initiated this? How did this happen?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
This started before we even went into the house. Actually, yeah,
so in episode one or I think in the launch special,
they showed Jay coming to my house and that day
was the day that kind of the Fantastic four ish
alliance kind of started because he came over and he
was like, by the way, I wasn't going to tell you,

(42:56):
but my homeboy. A staff is officially on the cast
as well, and I was like, oh awesome. He was like,
just so you know, you know, I already told the
soft that I'm going to have your back, so Astoff
already decided he's going to have your back too, because
if he's my number one and you're one of my
number ones, then he has to protect you too. I
was like, oh that perfect, Like I got another person
protecting me without even having to try. Obviously, Michelle is

(43:19):
Jay's ride or Die, So that kind of started like that.
Once we got into the house, me and a soft talk,
he actually told me he was like, by the way,
my wife told me, aside from what Jay told me,
my wife told me like you were the only girl
that she got good vibes from. She looked at everybody's Instagram,
she got good vibes from you, and she told me
that out of all the girls, she told me to

(43:40):
protect you. So I was like, yeah, so I got
an ally without having to try. And I was like, okay,
well thank you Jay. Michelle al Ride or Dies. So
Aesoft's like, well, I don't have a number one girl,
so you're my number one girl, and then we kind
of then we all kind of would like we honestly,
that was the one. No, we've met twice I think before,

(44:01):
but we only met that one time. Like we would always,
we wanted it to be a secret secret, so we
in passing, like I barely ever talked to a soft ever,
like it would be in passing. We look at each
other like we were in the kitchen. He's like, you
still got me. I'm like, yeah, you still got me.
He's like yeah, I bet. And it was always like that.
I just kept the pushing and it was never it
was never a public thing. So that's watching it back today,

(44:21):
I was like, oh, we successfully did that. Chocked.

Speaker 6 (44:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
I wonder if his wife gave him the heads up
not to trust Corey. It doesn't seem like he did
give him that. But Corey was just the one all
over the place this season. When did you find out
in the reas about the plant, like the sabotage and
whose idea was it?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
The which sabotage in the in the Daily in this
week's Daily.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Yeah, yeah, so it was kind of well, I was
definitely one of the more of the masterminds behind it.
We you saw TJ was like, you guys are already
basically already in Team six six seven, we all looked
down the line and we're like, oh, so y'all put
like they said, yeah, well all the big bodies together
on one team and put all the smaller people aside. So

(45:05):
at that point we instantly knew, like just the other
two teams, we're like, oh, so this kind of we're
gonna lose because they got all the weight, They got
all the bigger people right now, So instantly we already knew, Okay,
well that's that can't happen because they're gonna demolish us
if we don't work together. And then on top of that, obviously,
the night before when we had that fantastic core meeting,
it was about four o'clock in the morning. We waited

(45:27):
for every single person in the house to be asleep,
like no one awake, everyone asleep, and that's when we
decided we wanted to see Melissa. So now that we're
split up into different teams, we kind of came back.
You know, once we're gearing up and putting on like
the helmets and everything else we're gearing up, we kind
of looked at each other like we gotta we gotta
work together. Jay was the only Jay Olivia and Mariah

(45:49):
were on the other team, and so we told them like,
you guys need to throw it somehow, you know, don't
go don't go as hard, you know, and they were like, okay,
that easy. And then so then we talked to the
other team. We're like, okay, we actually my team was
actually supposed to win, but we were like, it doesn't
really matter as long as it's one of us two
and not the other team. So we kind of it
really was a setup from the night before, and then

(46:10):
we got there and we saw the way that the teams,
you know, were set up, and then that's kind of
how we did it all. And like I said, we
just had a plan of making sure we wanted to
do We just we just wanted all the international people
out and we were gonna make sure they put Big
Team Melissa on the same team. It just made it
really easy for us at that point, Okay, because.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
That was gonna be my question.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
There's a lot of friendships inside of this house, a
lot of hairs, a lot of trios, there's a lot
of stuff going on with the friendship department inside of
this house.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
And I wanted to know.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
What made Melissa and Big T number one of all
of these friend groups.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
I think because they were the more vocal. It was
like everyone both sides had uh do what you would say,
I guess the leaders, so like the UK international side,
I'd say, Big T and Melissa are definitely like their leaders,
so it was easier to honestly, we we just wanted
to split up Melissa in Big T too. I think
we were trying to figure out if things would have

(47:05):
gone easier if we didn't have them together, Like.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Why did you feel like that was? Why did you
because it seems like.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
The narrative is and correct me if I'm wrong, in
the house is that they are weaker players, particularly Big Tea.
It seems like that's what in interviews and all that stuff.
It seems like that's kind of the consensus of the house.
So I'm curious as to why then they seemed like
like why everyone turns so much or keeping them? Yeah,
like what was the thread of the two of them
being together if they are the weaker players in the house.

(47:34):
And we even see Michelle briefly in the Fantastic Four
say oh, well, I'm listening to Melissa's point right for
a brief second when Melissa is pitching like throwing in
Raven instead because she's like, well, I want to see
about the numbers because Big D's not a threat to me,
so her saying in the house isn't really a big deal.
So yeah, why is everyone so worried about this Melissa

(47:55):
Big t connection if everyone simultaneously believes they're not actually
much of a threat.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
I don't think see it's crazy because I know we
see it now in like interviews, but I don't think
that's really what it was in the moment. I don't
think people really felt like Big Tea, and I would
say more so it was more Big Tea than Melissa,
because I never never heard anyone say, oh, Melissa's not
a threat. If anything, people thought Melissa was a threat
like percent, And honestly, it was just like I said,

(48:24):
I think it really just stemmed from us wanting to
get rid of all the international numbers first, and like
I said, they were just the bigger threats. Also for
me personally, I guess I can't speak for everybody else,
but Big Tea being the only person on the season
that had been on I think that was her fifth season,
so technically she's the vet of the house right, Like,
to me, you're the vet of the house, you have

(48:44):
the most knowledge, you have the most experienced, so you
kind of have to leave. Melissa is now second to that,
so Melissa's there. And also there was a lot of
arguments and so much drama constantly going on in the house,
and it was, yeah, it was it was just like
always like oh he said, she said, he's And it
was always, always, always, always they were trying to group me,

(49:06):
Olivia and Raven to everything, and then Melissa and Big
t were being grouped for everything. So even if the
Tea wasn't true, it was always like, oh, the UK girls,
or if they said the American girls, they're talking about me,
Raven and Olivia, they're talking about the UK girls. They're
talking about Melissa and Big Tea. So it was always like, oh, yeah,
so by the way, uh blah blah blah, this one

(49:29):
doesn't like you. Oh who said that? Oh the American girls.
Oh so now automatically, if it was the American girls,
it was always nerdy Silivia and Raven and there would
be things that never even happened. So there was always
just so much random drama going on in the house
that we also felt like, Okay, well, I guess if
we split up Melissa and Big Tea, maybe some of
the drama won't be happening.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Gotcha, gotcha?

Speaker 4 (49:49):
That makes them Yeah, get us?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, you slid something in there earlier when we asked
when I asked, you know, when did you find out
about the sabotage response, I feel like a normal response
would have been like, oh, you mean with Melissa, but
your response was, oh, which sabotage? So please do tell
Narise what other sabotage may we have missed up into

(50:12):
this point, or is there one we should keep an
eye out for, uh that's coming up, because there obviously
was more than one sabotage, more than one.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
I feel like we always the American Alliance was always
up to something, and also we were never on the
same page because there were so many of us on
in one alliance that we would have so many different
low key plans, and then you never really knew which
plan was gonna happen, but you always knew it was

(50:39):
gonna be one of them and it was gonna work out.
I feel like we were at this point definitely doing
a good job of making sure that things maybe didn't
look like they were set up to happen the exact
same way that they happened. Like in tonight's episode, everything
happened the exact way that we knew. Just like I'm

(51:01):
watching it back and I'm watching them throw my name.
I was shocked seeing that.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, how you make like a full yes?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Were you gitting to yourself when you saw Melissa make
a foo when you're watching the episode, a full blown.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Run to try and get you.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
It's funny because they don't show it, but every person
that they went up to to be like, hey, nurse
nur Narissa, Nurisa Raven, Nurisa Raven. Every single person came
up to me and said, like literally laughing, like hah,
she just said your name, and like every even the
UK people that she was saying it too, Like she
was going up to people and like yeah, Nuris and
everyone's coming up to me like yeah, we told her

(51:36):
yeah possibly, but every mine I was never even an
option and they were. And I just think it's funny that,
Like I said, watching it back, she's like, oh, big
T decided to see they're gonna be Nurisa or Raven,
And I was like, it was never ever even to
be because everyone we were all so like here with
it that it was never gonna be It was never
gonna be me. It was always we were always trying

(51:57):
to make Melissa Big Tea. Even they don't show like
a conversation, but like me and Raven are getting super
close at this point, I actually consider Raven more of
like a friend. We're actually building a friendship at that point.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
So oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
So right now. More specifically in that moment too, was
really when we were because now we're roommates and we're
actually building a friendship. So I was even more adamant
about like absolutely not Raving, Like right now, we're trying
to build a friendship. She's an ally for us. She's
the rider diye girl. Like, no, there's no way it's
gonna be uh Melissa and Raven down there. We always

(52:36):
knew it was gonna be Big Tea. Even though we
all went into the nominations and obviously we all said
nice things that are true about Big Ta. We love her,
she actually is super kind. But we were like, yeah,
I gotta.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Go, yeah, yeah, I want to give a shout out
to you for.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Speaking.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
I guess it has to be his love language.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
This Spanish you put on Harassio from Melissa.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Yeah, maybe he was stuck. He didn't know what to do.
You started speaking I don't know, I don't know know
Spanish or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You started speaking that thing, and he was like, Melissa, Melissa,
it's Melissa, it's Melissa.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
What did you say to him? How did you get
him to vote for Melissa? And what effect does that
have on his friendship with Kylin?

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Well, Kylon. The thing with Kylin is that he was
another like I call Mariah this, and I called Michelle this,
a panic patty like he was. He's not someone that
you can just tell him like, hey, we got you.
Just he's the type to be like I need proof.
I need a ten page essay proving into me that

(53:37):
you actually got my back. And so he keeps saying
in this moment, like no one has my back, no
one's gonna protect me. I'm like, kylind, I told you
before we went into the house that I got you,
like we're friends, I got you. But I think he
was super paranoid, and because he was so in love
with Melissa at the time that he's thinking she's the
only one that's going to have my back. So we
had already told him prior to that. Well, actually we

(53:59):
don't think we told him. We told Dorascio. We're like, yes,
we're we're throwing in Melissa. This is the plan right
before when they're when they're nominating and doing their whole
decision on who they want to throw in, Kylon forces
Roasia to not say him or we're hearing it. We're hearing.
We're hearing Kylin like, no vote with me, vote with me.
I look at him, I was like, huh uh, because
you're not about to throw in Raven, who is your number,

(54:21):
Like we are a rider like literally aside from the Americans,
within the Americans, we have our Rider Die alliance and
you're a part of the Writer Die lines. And so
it is Raven like, you're not about to throw in
Raven who is two times your ally and save Melissa,
who's not your ally at all. She's gonna throw you in.
She's not protecting you for what like for Kyle. And
so it was at that moment I wasn't going to

(54:43):
speak up, but I was like, I can't let Raven
be the automatic vote right now. And also Colleen Coueen
is working with us on the other side, I think
because of Colleen Berna was too, so it was like
everybody kind of was in cahoots, even like everybody. So
I'm looking at him like, if you don't vote with
all of us, you're gonna put a target on your back,
just like Raven did the second year, Like you need

(55:05):
to stick with us. You already voted for Big T.
It was the first time he voted for Big T
in the first episode. Everybody was already like, he's not
voting with the team. I was like, I'm not letting
I'm not letting you do it again. So if I
have to speak to you in Spanish and tell you no,
like she's this is your ally, listen to me, I'm
gonna do it. And it worked, and watching it back now,
I was like, oh, I was like, I love, I
love he listened to me. But my infant thoughts to

(55:31):
in that moment was that is literally like when they
say Paula dicking, that's what it looks like that right,
that right there is exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
What That's what it looks like. It's done right, to be.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Clear, exactly right. Yeah, I'm like, there we go. Okay,
So now if you're.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Gonna look up in the house. Get some benefits, and
I don't just mean a lap dance from Hirossio.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Because that is a benefit.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yes, get some boats on your side and with your numbers. Okay,
so now let's move into this elimination. In the arena,
TJ's looking gray and his blue open button down looks
like it might be corduroy. And then we see you know,
Big T and Melissa down there, Big T applying her
lip gloss that she's ready, and then Kaz come out right.
Two time champion, she's literally undefeated currently is her record

(56:19):
in the challenge, which is impressive in and of itself.
What were your thought okay, so what let's bring into
three points. What were your thoughts when you first saw
kas Then I want to know your thoughts as you
saw the game begin, because we saw you talking to
yourself a little bit something to the effect of your
champion like act.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Like yeah, yeah, get it together.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
But what were your thoughts when you first saw that
Kaz is going to be the one coming down, Like
did you feel differently than you did when you saw
Jordan the previous week? Did you think it was going
to be equally as tied up a competition.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
I was thinking to myself in that moment, I'm like,
anybody that can keep up with Jordan and when a
challenge with him has to be somewhat of a great competitor,
because like, Jordan is a lot, and I feel like
to be able to keep up with him and be
able to win with him, I feel like it says
a lot about your your ability as a competitor. And

(57:10):
so I'm seeing her and I'm like, oh, yeah, she's
gonna come out, She's gonna demolish. And at that point
I see her come out and instantly I said, mission accomplished.
Like we just threw down Melissa and Big T. We
now have Kaz coming out, who's a strong contender, and
she's gonna automatically send one of them home. And so
seeing her, of my instant thought process was that perfect.

(57:33):
Everything just worked out the exact way we wanted it
to work out. And then and also my first honestly,
my first first thought was she's gorgeous. Like I feel
like the TV doesn't even kind of do it her
justice because she really is like stunning, and I don't
even think she was wearing makeup, Like she was just gorgeous.
We all like a lot of us were saying that.
There were like she's just beautiful and she comes out

(57:54):
with such great energy, like super kind energy, and then
the elimination starts and it was like instant I don't
I don't know how to say it without I guess
once again sounding like a bitch or sound like a
mean girl. But it was like instant flop. I don't know,
like if we were watching it and we were just
like from the moment it started, no no joke. We

(58:15):
really a lot of us up that were like, did
she she throwing it? Is this? Like that did her
and Big Tea come up with some type of cahoots
in the back when they were getting dressed up because
they're both from the UK. Maybe Kaz is like, you
know what, I'll give you the win, Like that's what
it looked like because it didn't look like she was
trying at all, Like the reality of it is that

(58:35):
Big Teeth demolished her and it was wild to watch
because she has it just looked like she didn't care,
like there was it didn't seem like much effort was
going into the elimination and it was, like I said,
probably admitted into it. We were like, oh, yeah, big
T is gonna win, like there's there.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
And then I was actually big tea a little bit
for her performance down there since everybod I.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Came respect for Big T after the first elimination, watching
watching how fast she did that and killed it. Like
to me, I never at the after the first one.
I wasn't like, oh yeah, big T is the weakest link.
Like it was never like, oh we got to get
her out because she is not providing anything for us.
For me, I was like, oh, yeah, she gained I
had already gained my respect, and then even more so
after this elimination because, like I said, as is a

(59:24):
two time champ, she's the champ of the champs and
you just beat her effortlessly. So yeah, no, big T.
She did her big one. She did her big one,
and I was super proud.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I don't think that, uh, I don't think she threw it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I think Big T actually because Devin, I look the
moon and back, but I'm not giving up t K
for you. I can't do it the same same. I
don't think it was one of those thought.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
Oh well no, no, no, of course once, like I said,
that was just the first thought process when you first
see everything going on and you're like, how are you
a champ of champs? And it looked it looked like
it looked like you brought in someone that has never played,
you've never done anything.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
When she just said how you, she has literally like
rubbed her eyes as if she was trying to see.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Clearly, like trying to understand, like how.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
But that's literally what it was. I was just just
jaw drops like just and said.

Speaker 6 (01:00:19):
Not mad.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
It was just like no, no, no, no, definitely not mad.
I mean to be if I My thought process in
that moment was ship okay, so mission is not accomplished.
It's all over again the next time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Like that, they both came back.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
All right. I was like, this plan did not work
and now we're gonna have to figure out how to
do this all over again the next time. And it's like,
what was that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Like, yeah, back home? What was that? What we like?

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
We walked? Our house is right behind via elimination stage.
Oh yeah, literally walked. It was right behind. It was
maybe a three minute walk at most.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
That's just a little ominous.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
I feel like I would just forever every day feel yeah,
like oh god, there it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
Is you couldn't really see it from the house unless
they were doing unless they had to bring in one
of those one of those the crane, unless they brought
in the cranes. That was the only way that you
could see things because it was a little bit further
like our house was like, this is the house, We're
surrounded by a bunch of trees, and then it's on

(01:01:27):
the other side, so you can really see it, luckily
because they were but but but you could see the crane,
so you always knew, yeah, it's gonna be big.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
Yeah, you didn't see the crane. You're like a ship.
It might be something physical because right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah, right, So going back in though, the energy, so
now you guys realize your plan didn't work. And also,
by the way, walking watching that elimination was weird because
I felt like the energy was weird in that last time.
The house definitely felt like they were rooting for the house,
like for your teammates, right for hearing this time it
definitely but like pretty much only Melissa was rooting for

(01:02:04):
Big Ta. So you guys like didn't outwardly root for Kaz,
but kind of we're rooting for Kaz.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
And then Kaz was losing. It was a very.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Weird, but that's the exact energy that it actually was,
like we were all like poor big tea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
I actually feel like that would be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
A terrible emotional feeling, sort of of like everyone everyone's
happy to give up ten k because they want me
gone that much. But walking back into the house, did
you or anyone else sort of rally? You know how
usually we see when you come back after elimination, people
rally around the winners, right, you know, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Like chap blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
I also feel like that's a political strategy to kind
of be like I voted for you, but it's fine,
you know, or whatever. Did people do that this go
round too, or were people just still like non next
week it's going.

Speaker 5 (01:02:51):
To be you. I So before even this one, we
actually all of us kind of had a one day
because after nominations, after even I think the first one,
it was always super awkward in the house, Like the
moment we go to nominations, we'd I'll come back to
the house and they would be super quiet, the vibes

(01:03:11):
would be so off, and it was a consistent thing,
and then it would happen the same way after eliminations.
So I don't remember if it was before this point
or not, but we had already decided, Like I think
it was specifically Big Tea that brought up the conversation,
and she was like, hey, if you throw me in
or for some reason one of us goes into elimination
and we come back, can we just all be normal

(01:03:32):
and praise each other and say good job to each other,
like it's normal where you don't feel like you're being fake, right,
because that's what it was. And I, you know, I
had told her, I was. I had told them like,
I feel weird if I vote you in to then
go up to you and win, congratulate, and you give
you a hug and say that you killed it because
you could have killed it, but because I voted you
and now I feel you. Yeah, And Big t was like,
you know, let's just let bygones be bygones, like she

(01:03:55):
specifically said. So maybe it was after this one because
she was like, I want my praises, like I want
you guys to come up to me and congratulate me,
and I want you guys to celebrate with me, and
we'll just move forward and whatever happens the next time
happens next time, but she wanted, she wanted to be celebrated.
I also do want to say yes because I think

(01:04:16):
it's important. But big T tried going into the elimination
for Melissa.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Really what Yes, Yes, she tried.

Speaker 5 (01:04:25):
She tried, but they didn't let her. But I was like,
I have to add that in there because it was
super sweet because she was like, you know, she's like,
she has a daughter. She's here fighting for some others,
you know, something that I'm not fighting for. And she
was like, I want her to give I want to
give her that opportunity, but they didn't let her.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
So their friendship all around until we see her mouth
pick me, pick me, when Kaz is picking the levers
or whenever you see he sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Like hoping it's her.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
That is one hell of a friendship that I will
never get from Davon no matter how long we work together.
But I love, I love I love to see that
and theres It's been so lovely chatting with you, and
you know, I also love I love real, keeping it
real and yes, you got the time out of the

(01:05:10):
week from me about your advice, Like I love your
vibe and getting to see this side I love how
you put such an emphasis on growth, and I love
that you guys, she's still blushing thinking about Horassio just
so you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Know, you guys can't. She's literally is still blushing.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
It's so dum is officially now my favorite episode just
because I relive that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Oh, I love that so much.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
I really am super super excited for you guys. I
know it's like far off, but if a wedding happens,
can day and I do like a reading, like we'll
just do like a poph My god.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
Please, do I know my family? My family they have
like that's going on on when he's gonna propose, my brothers,
my brothers wholeheartedly, like like they truly believe that. By
the summer of twenty four, I'm going to be engaged
like they have this going on there by the summer
for sure. I was like, Okay, we'll see. They're like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
So much did I put it in the atmosphere? Also,
we want the exclusive interview.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Ooh, we should do like a podcast bachelorette party for her. Okay,
well yeah yeah, that actually fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
That'd be so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
So happy for your happiness, truly, Nurie and watching you
throughout the show and excited to see you contend to play,
continue to play. And also now I'll be watching knowing
even if they just show your little one lighters and quips,
I'll be like, but I know in her heart she
said it kindly and that there were other thoughts she
was thinking before she said get out of my face
or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
YEA, Literally every time I'm like this, I'm no joke.
I keep watching it back like very shut up, so mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
But we love a self aware queen.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
For other people who want to continue to be inspired
by your growth, and also they want to keep up
on when the engagement announcement does officially happen, where can
they find you on social media?

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Where can they follow you? You guys can find me
on nurise k with teo. I'm pretty sure I'm the
only one that will pop up, but you never know.
And I think you can find my my tiktoks. I
think my TikTok is nourie km and I like TikTok
so much more than Instagram. So just I say, following
me on there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
And we see a little bit more of you and
Hirasio as the sea, Like what can we expect like,
what are some clues both you know, a little messy
and just good hearted fun that we can see As
the season goes on.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
You guys do get to see you, like get out
of his shell a bit more. Hopefully you see him
talking more, because this man don't talk. He don't speak
at all. He's so quiet in his own world over there.
That you guys will get to obviously continue seeing our
love story. I'm excited to continue seeing the love story.
And you guys, yeah, I guess I'm I'm excited. Like

(01:07:49):
I said, you guys definitely get to see how my
my best friend calls us. So she was like, you
guys say.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
That is actually, oh my gosh, okay, we're gonna borrow
that if that's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
That she always says that she's like Narascio, And I
was like, all right, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
But that makes me because in one of the trailers,
I saw you crying and I said, if he heard her.
I So I feel good to know.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
You guys will see our ups and downs for sure, which,
like I said, I'm always I'm always even grateful for
the downs because it gets you to the place that
you're in now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
So yeah, this vibe like I mean, geez, yes, come
back anytime you bring your man what I know, which
is also why can't I just explain again. I feel
like a lot of people get it now, but some
some of y'all who've gotten muted don't like that. It's
literally our observations are literally episode by episode because we

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recognize that there is a full spectrum to any individual,
and like on the show, you only get to see
that moment, that context, that thing that they said or did,
And so we always leave room this place.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
While it's it can be messy the Challenge podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
It's also a safe space for someone to be their
whole self, so we can see the other sides to you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Because I don't want to put you in a box.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
So that's why if I give you the time out
and I love having you here and want you back,
it saidn't mean you're not gonna do something in a
couple of weeks that I'm like, nurice, you get in
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
But that's just the name of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
But so look, thank you for coming on and mad
respect for being tagged in people saying that I condemned
your advice and still coming on with the positive attitude
respect that surge.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Yeah, of course I've had a great time. Thank you
for having me, thank you for letting me spill the tea.
Yeah I probably should probably should have said certain things,
but it's okay now you good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Don't overthink, just overshare and you did, honey, and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
We love your kids more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Continue happiness to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Can't wait to see how the rest of the season
plays out. If any more tea comes, you can always
message me or and let us know if there's something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
That you forgot or that comes to your future episodes.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
When we go over. I can't wait to tell you
guys the more tea. But I'm not gonna say it all.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Okay, okay, okay, Oh well we got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, we got the guy wrap it up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:14):
We have to go.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
That was so good and I really, really, I really
like Nurie. Actually, my husband makes fun of me for
this because he says there are people I'll have strong
opinions about things they do and then like I'll switch,
like I'll either get to know them more and I'll
completely switch. Whatever said strong opinion was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
This is enough.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I really like Nourice. She's a wonderful guest. That was
such a fun interview and so glad that she came
on Day. My opinion on you doesn't have a change.
I find you entertaining attitude, No but entertaining and fun
we go and always keeping it real, even real on YouTube.
But for all the places that people want to find

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you and follow you, where can they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
You can find me on the social medias. You can
find me on Twitter at day deavon Underscore, you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Find me on TikTok at day Diane.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
You can find me on Instagram at Davon's in Underscore.
I'm not gonna say YouTube in this episode because I
ain't made no video in a week, so oh how
many week time? It's some time I made no video
on some time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Let me not lie.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Where can find you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I'm gonna just keep you here. You cannot find me
on you. I mean you can find me on YouTube,
but that page has been dead and gone. I think
I actually have two under because I accidentally logged in
under two different emails. So don't follow me on YouTube
if you don't really want to. But you can go
to my website that's devinsimone dot com. That's Devin with
a y simone with an I scroll down to the bottom,
you will see my socials. I'm most active on Instagram,

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which is also Devin simoone Devin with the Y so well,
then I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Twitter as well. I see y'all tagging me, tweeting me.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
You can d m me.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
I appreciate your shout outs. I'll get better at responding,
I promise. Also, we have fun stuff coming up. Make
sure you're following me on Amazon, a lot of like
fun videos, vibes. We can do live shout outs and
shop and stuff together. So if you actually just go
to my website you'll see that. Or if you just
google Devin Simone Amazon, it'll pop up. It's called Devin
Simones give Closet, But make sure you're hitting the follow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yes, thank you guys so much for joining us for
another episode of MTV's official Challenge podcast. Now, remember if
you liked this episode, rate and review us on Spotify
or Apple Podcasts, and tell a friend to tell a
friend to tell another friend and then another friend after
that a man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
And then catch new episodes of the Challenge Battle for
a New Champion on MTV.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yes, and we'll see you back here right after for
a brand new episode.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Of MTV's official Challenge podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
This is officially a Neuroscio stand account