147 - Live in Austin

Karen and Georgia cover Robert Elmer Kleason and the murder of Steven Robards.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
D what's of us?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Save?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Holy shit, my ear drums?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh my god, I'm broked.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
You rob them?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Wow, this place is fucking you. She's doing what you're
doing in here. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Wow. Hey guys, this is our last show of the
twenty eighteen Fall tour.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Amazing. I did a real gross dance about it at backstage.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah do it, Georgia, No, let them see your backstage Let.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
It was. It was a little more crude, but this
is the stage. She was in.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Plane spanks, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
How'd you like that?

Speaker 5 (02:04):
I came out of this fun I thanked and my
right in my purifl vision, I thought there was an
old lady, but it was Georgia, and she'd pulled her
bicycle spanks up to the bottom of her bra kind
of there are a nude flesh tone. Wait wait, wait, no,
my my spanks go up to the bottom of my bra.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
That wasn't special for you. Listen, sh they go up
to hear ha. Yes.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
I didn't realize they do that because I wear a
scuba suit all my dresses, so I just figure I
thought you were doing bikini spanks.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
No, that's how I look underneath this.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
It looked really good, thank you, your spanks pulled up
to the bottom of your bra and then she was.

Speaker 7 (02:52):
Just going like this behind me, like and she there
was no reaction at first, and she kind of looked
me up and down to it and then laughed.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Because when I don't war my glasses, I can see
to about here and then everything else is a funny
blur that people are doing for me, just a nice presentation.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Meanwhile, por Vince is behind us on the couch, just.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Ignoring us, ignoring, just trying to get things taken care of.
That's right, doing an actual job as we're like, what Robin.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Listening to some Robin back there?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Oh wow, what a gorgeous rug. Truly just in the
fall shades.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Of mall autumnal autumnal.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
That's my least favorite word, and it's the word I
say the most, which is autumnal. Oh yeah, because it's
just so dumb. I can't stop saying it, you know, that.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Thing, because you just you hate it so much that
you have to keep saying.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, Like I say it as a joke, but then
I just that's all I say.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
I think I might do that with moist.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
It's such a it's such a terrible word. It puts
all these ideas into your head, unwanted thoughts.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
No do doist. It's so moist in this autumnal air.
It's not it's theutumnal air.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's inaccurate. I can't stand how inaccurate your weather forecast is?
What are we talking about? This one's gonna go off
the fucking rails. Let me just tell you this right now.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I'm sorry. I have to preapologize.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
When we hit the stage last night, which was super fun,
it was in Atlanta, it was as.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
If we'd never done a show before. We were we
were just staring at each other, like what aren't you
going to say anything?

Speaker 6 (04:45):
But before we walked on stooge, I was like, what
are we going to talk about? And then stories, I
was like, okay, great care and take care of it.
So I came, I just like, go ahead, I don't know, and.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I was like, oh, let's see, I did drugs one time,
I got up on time. I was a rebellious child.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
What about Oh I did something in my hotel room
today that I've never done in a hotel room before.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Let's fucking hear all about it.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Hi, right?

Speaker 6 (05:14):
I fucking like maybe, And of course it's the last
show of twenty eighteen that I do this.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Can I guess? Yeah, you masturbated on a pillow.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't even know how that would work. Sorry.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Every time I go into a hotel room, which was
now constantly, they always have a decorative pillow. And then
in my mind I just flashed through like thirty dudes
that have jerked off onto it.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Simply because they can face it.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
This is reality. And then she licks the remote control
and she's ready to go.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
You take things and you put them in the corner,
and then you're like things down and you start the
wiping of surfaces.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Oh god, Sorry, did I ruin your game?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm sorry. No, it was just yoga, but I know
it feels stupid. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I fucking bit your yoga story right in half.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
It wasn't a great story. Shit, And then I'm masturbated.
So that's all we want to know?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Women aggressively masturbating around her poems as a form of revenge.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, I have to say, And maybe this is
why I came up with that so quickly.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I recently. Uh oh no, no, no, this is gonna
get weird. Yeah, let's stop recording now, just this is
gonna be a private, a private performance. This is a
private conversation.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, this is between you and us and no one else.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, it stays in this huge in this.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Seventeen level Star Wars style auditorium.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
My dad.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I sent my dad a video of we came out
onto the stage beforehand and we're like, oh shit, how
is this happening?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
And I took a quick video for my dad and
I sent it and in two hours, I'm going to
get a text it says how many seats?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Because that's all he cares about.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
It's like he's boiled this whole thing down to stats,
and he just wants to know how many seats are
in every house that we're filling.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Is it better than the night before?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Is it worse? Are we winning or lose? Do I
still love you or not? Right now?

Speaker 4 (07:40):
He's like, I need to figure out what to get
you for Christmas? How many seats were in that theater
last night? Just get me the two Starbucks gift cards? Dad,
you're still killing it?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Why too Starbucks gift cards? I didn't tell you that story.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Maybe in the saddest time, when like my dad, my
mom was sick, and my dad had to take over
all the mom duties and was not prepared and couldn't
do it. We had a Christmas where my sister got
a ton of great shit, and of course my niece
Nora got everything she could have wanted.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And I got two Starbucks gift cards.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
They were each for fifty dollars, so I got one
hundred dollars at Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
No one needs that. That's like two years. And then
fifteen at Sephora. I was just like, fuck off.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
This won't get me in the door at Sephora. Friend,
I'm middle aged. The nothing worth fifteen dollars is worth anything?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
To my face, it's yeah, And I was like, thanks dad,
Oh all the things I wanted.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
My dad once got me. My parents are really bad
at gift giving. My dad once got me and he
wrapped it like a port or a like trash what's
it called when you can throw things away after your
say no.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
The garbage?

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Essentially like an under the sink reusable trash compactor, no
shit fire extinguisher. It was like a cam that you
can just use once and throw it away.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh yeah, like a I mean I don't know what
that is. I don't know what it's either. We should
call my dad and ask him.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's a one off fire extinguisher.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
That's how much anxiety happens in my family. And it
was like it was like definitely a made for TV,
uh product kind of thing. And then my mom once
got me a like a flashlight that you plug in
in case of emergencies.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
We just have anxiety.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
They should just pay for my therapy instead of buying
me fucking presents.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, how about we get out of the emergency realm
of gift giving and into the gift part where things
you want when things aren't on fire or burning down,
when there's not an earthquake.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right, exactly, that's exactly right. That's exact exactly right. It's okay,
Steven's not here.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry Steen.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
We can't bring him.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
His writer is too demanded.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yes, you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
He demands to get eight cats in every city that
we write.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And they have to be different cats too, and like
varying ages and cuteness, and their names have to all
be kind of adorable and may have to have hashtags. Yeah,
to have their own social media cat pre set up.

Speaker 6 (10:20):
Yeah, so I do that he just takes care of
my cats, It's insane, and then just clogs.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
My story feet on my Instagram with the most insane
shit that I love cat content, lots of my cats
and dinosaur unboxing videos. Do you know he does that?
What dinosaur in boxing video? Being serious?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I swear to god, Oh, I thought you threw three
hilarious nouns for Stephen together.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
No, I watched my in my living in my own
living room as he as he opened a toy from
like a Jurassic parking.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
That's cute, but.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
Well, now my living room has the memory of being
unboxed in Jurassic.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Park unboxed against its will, like so many hotel rooms. Listen,
this is my favorite murder. We're a true crime comedy podcast.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thank you. This is this is Karen Kilgera and this
is Georgia Hard Start.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Oh this is our last tur of twenty eighteen. So
fucking nothing matter. So kaya girl goes spakes up to
the top.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Here's meg stoo poo, here's fangs at.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know, who what are you besides full body spanks?
What are you wearing?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Thanks for asking?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's interpreted into little bit there is.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
A coming on to drugs feel right now, But I
assure you and all the police in Austin that I'm
not on drugs.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I just have a dress with pockets in it.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's like we're getting good at that.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It just did this, no, no, no, then they're gonna
yell it's ass whole time.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
I finally gave up wearing I wore black clog boots
for two years of touring because my sister hated them
so much and I thought.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
It was hilarious, even though she was.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
At like two of the fifteen shows we did and
she but.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Every once in while she'll she'll like sneak on Instagram
and look and then she'll be like, the dress was cute,
but fuck those boots. And then that alone would just
like warm my heart. I could go right to sleep.
But then I got these and they're better, so I
had to let that go.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You're growing, You're growing and changing.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I'm trying to grow and I'm trying to change.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
What about your outfits?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
A thing on it's black. There's my wedding shoes. Uh yeah,
I've decided not that next tor, I'm not wearing black
dresses anymore. I I It'll be fine. Uh, I promise.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Also, it's not a discussion.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
There's like six.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Different women were like so sorry, so hold on, then
what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Do you guys get free funds? I already got my tickets.
I just you have to understand my closet. I love clothes.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
It's this much fucking couch material, Grandma dresses, vintage, some
of like crazy old salty women who in the past
I've bought these from. And then there's this little section
of like show dresses, of these sad black dresses that
I found, and I'm like, I guess this will do.
I've bought so many just to be like maybe because
it's not like I'm not a goth, but.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Listen, she finally admitted it.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
She's not a g I'm a raver. What I love
is that.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Well, then the next tour is all rave clothes, air
cornally hu among us jeans.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
We just taught we meaning me, just taught Karen the
term speaker tweaker. Yeah, she loves that.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
You ravers will know as someone who fucking gets up
on the speaker and is on so many drugs that
it just feels great to your ears and your body.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, exactly, careful. So Karen's now a speaker tweaker.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I'm a natural speaker tweaker.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Oh but what I was gonna say is it's funny
because we are the ones that made up the rules
that we have to wear a black dress.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Made it up, and then George's like, look, I can't
do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Then I'm like, no, you fucking have to. It's all
this is all made up.

Speaker 6 (14:54):
And I didn't decide till the one weekend where you
wore a print dress and I was like, we can
do that.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Do it? Then do no, no more, no more.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
We won't be uh.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Ourselves. I don't know our own dumb ideas. It's worked
so far. She's the town, I guess.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
So yeah, look at these.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Are these our friends from Uh these are nice and
Andy Collens, I bet they are. Did you know that story?

Speaker 7 (15:28):
Do we?

Speaker 8 (15:28):
Not?

Speaker 7 (15:28):
We?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
So?

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Andy Cohen and uh.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Anderson Cooper, thank you?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
They tour and we're like, I guess we're like following
behind them on their tour because they they like refuse
to sit and plead chairs, so they send these like
fucking nice chairs to every city but they're too It
doesn't make fiscal sense for them to send them on.
They just leave them.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
They just so we keep getting these really nice Andy
Cohen Anderson Cooper joh.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Ship with full up and down action.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Are you going to stay down there?

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yeah, come on down.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
It's a real it's a real relief. I don't really
want to other side.

Speaker 9 (16:10):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, do you want to go back up back?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Okay, this is half an hour of the show. Yes,
you need to go to the bathroom or leave. You know,
there is a justting that you have to get Yeah,
I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, just really hurt my back.
That yoga was pointless that I did earlier. What type
of yoga did you do?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Hot?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Well, the heater was on, so I just did. I
just did a video, which I fucking never do truly.

Speaker 6 (16:42):
My phone was like, are you sure you were trying
to I think you touched the wrong back. Yeah, yeah,
you were trying to watch videos of your cats.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Are you sure you want to yoga? But I did it?

Speaker 10 (16:50):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Was it a lady?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
It was a lady.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
It was like a twenty minute stretch flow situation. I
can show you right, Oh.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
My god, that's the best tent for a podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
And this woman she was so positive, woman was so positive,
bless her heart that she was playing you know the gitar,
I can go one white.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
In my head, I went, oh, fuck off. But then
I was like, don't do that, Georgia. That's not positive.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Don't resist the positivity and the citar.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I like to do yoga the privacy of my own
home because I just pretend that I'm not myself.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh so, like I sit down, I'm like, this is
gonna be great.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
With like a really open face and attitude, which normally
then there's the real me sitting like two behind me.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's like, what the fuck is this? Get off the ground.
Why is her face so open? Turn the TV back on.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
Now we haven't watched all the British girls. There's gotta
be one left. Stop improving yourself immediately.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
But I was gonna tell you, I just to doing
a thing where it's a journey through the seven chakra.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
No, I swear to God, I have opened my root
fucking chakra. Which one's that's the fucking bottom. Oh open open,
You're like a fucking baboon. You wouldn't believe what's happening
down there.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh man, I think you should close that.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
I'm going to now that we talk it through, I
have to shut it. It's some portal of hell that's
anything could get in there.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, you don't want to. We're always traveling or immune systems.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Are probably clucked up. I would I would avoid opening anything.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Shut it down, chakrash permanently.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And then just kind of cement over my third eye.
Forget about it. Don't go in there, don't go inside.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's not safe. No, I'm really happy for you.

Speaker 8 (18:54):
I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm trying to be supportive. It's okay, I'm happy for you.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Thanks. You can't say I'm happy for you but not
move your mouth. And then I'm supposed to believe it.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Ship I always do that. I'm a bad liar. Whenever
i'm lying, I just don't.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Congratulations on your yoga journey. Yeah, we're getting super spiritual.

Speaker 6 (19:19):
So you heard it here first, the next season of
Tours is just gonna be a one large yoga class.
We're gonna it's just gonna chakras are gonna it's just
gonna smell.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's gonna smell.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It is so many, so much unwashed Lululemon, We're.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Gonna happen upon that eighth chakra. I be like, oh, well,
we didn't even know the bo chakra.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
You go first first.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Oh yeah, we forgot to make this announcement last night.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
That's how of kilter we'd gone, real bad.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
We understand there's.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
People here who have never listened to our podcast before,
and they are confused and probably a little bit angry.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Right now, this is a true crime comedy podcast, that's right.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
What does that mean, Karen, Well, it's can be a
very complex combination of topics and feelings because we were
talking about the worst things that could happen to people
in the world, while simultaneously and kind of parallel to that,
we are making each other laugh about things stupid shit.

(20:32):
We don't think that murder is funny. We don't think
that people being killed is funny. We just think that
we're funny.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, I mean, thank you.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's my first step into positivity. And so sometimes that
can be a difficult combination. There's people that get offended
by that, or they don't know us enough to trust
us to do it, They tense up, they rejected or whatever.
So we just want to say now to those people
you can get the fuck out because we don't mean to. Yeah,

(21:12):
that was my root chakra that came from the bottom
of my soul.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Okay, I'm first tonight.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
This it looks long because I made it a sixteen
font because I think I might be going blinde.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I can't fucking see anything anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I know I'm not gonna my my my spanks, jokes
aren't gonna land.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Sure, I'm just gonna have to go with you and
like just agree with whatever you tell me.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
You're showing me. I am so funny right now, trust me.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
So tonight I'm gonna do the story of Robert Elmer
class Cleeson.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
The real text Chainsaw Masks.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
There's a real one.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Now, as we all know, and as fans and lovers
of true crime, they like to do that, they like
to compare things to other things and be like, this
is the.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Real is the original one, This is the original, But
you will.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Find us you hear the story that it's just kind
of a couple of items that combine the story, and
in fact that Choby Hooper did not base his film
on this, because this actually happened after three months after
Texas Chainsaw.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Masco was released. Come on, but the name suck. Yeah,
it's you know what it is.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
I got it from a British series called Real Stories.
And they'll fucking say anything about this country. They're so
mad that we became independent.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
So oh yeah, this movie.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Let's start in the fun part this movie. There is
an article from two thousand and four that was written
by a guy named John Bloom for the Texas Monthly magazine,
which I personally love. We get a lot of good
research from Texas Monthly. It's real good magazine. So John Bloom,

(23:21):
you know, it was fourteen years ago, but he wrote
this amazing article basically about how Texas Chainsaw Massacre got made.
And I'll read you the first sentence of that article.
It's in nineteen seventy three, a ragtag group of Texans
scrounged up sixty thousand dollars and created a film so
violent and visionary.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
That it shocked the world.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
And it was filmed right in and around Austin, Texas.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yes, nice, and it is not just probably the most
legendary horror film of all time, it's the most financially
successful film in the history of Texas.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Did you know that about your This is come on,
cheer for your fucking home team.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, well, when you spend next when you spend sixty
grand on a fucking movie. Yeah, when a ragtag group
of people get together, sixty grand, scrounge together.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
Some old text and hippies come together and fucking literally
torture actors so it looks like they're being tortured.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
So Toby Hooper's inspiration for this movie, of course, was
Ed Dean, And it was also Dean Coral and Dean
Coral's accomplices who procured people for him and all that
fucked up shit. So there's plenty of inspiration. He didn't
need to go anywhere else but just to connect the two.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I guess we have to stop talking about this now.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Three months after the movie premiered, another psycho took up
residence in Austin, Texas. He didn't wear a mask made
of human skin, no, of.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
An actual face.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Actually, oh, there's a super fucked up story that Toby
Hooper tells that a doctor who is a resident that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
He knew.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
He got the idea for leather face because a doctor
told him a story about when he was a resident
and in the.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Corners off the office or whatever.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
He cut the face off of someone on a Halloween
and board as a mask.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
No, did he get fired? Did he get fired?

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I'm sorry to say no. He's the Surgeon General of
the America right now. He was Trump's top pick for
surgeon general.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Sounds about right.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So we're back into my really dramatic intro. So, no,
this man was not wearing a human face over his
own face. Quiet, unassuming, church going man we always are.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
And his name was.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Robert elmer Cleson. Okay, So he's born uh on September twentieth,
nineteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Four in Buffalo, New York, to.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Interesting to a mentally ill father and a homemaker mom.
And he's an only child and his father Uh no.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Enough, Oh they never get to do that him doing.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Here's what I love.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It wasn't just one person.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I seven only children just cheered for themselves.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
They've been waiting. They're all here alone tonight. They never
learned how to make connections.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, no, that was a damn it.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
They're here to connect.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Playing little video games by themselves. I'm like, I don't
want ketchup on it? Why is there ketchup on it?

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Because other people exist.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Okay, they never cheered again.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Turns out that was our clutch or clutch group. Okay.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
His father, who's a paranoid schizophrenic, loves guns, and so
then he raises his only child, who also loved guns.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
What could go wrong? Magical?

Speaker 4 (27:26):
In nineteen fifty, when he's sixteen years old, he jumps
on a nail. It's an accident, so accidentally, so I
should have put that in there, and his mom takes
them to the emergency room.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
But after a while they're made to wait.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Because it's an emergency room, there's bigger emergencies.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Turns out, so he gets impatient.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
He punches his mom, walked out to the car, grabs
a gun, and comes in shooting into the emergency. Yes,
this is in Buffalo, so luckily no one was hurt,
and luckily they sent to a psychiatric hospital for but
just for two years, you know, to kind of rinse
it out, just a quick visit.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
I'm sure it was a very tender place, full of
carrying normal things that people got ice bats.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
Yeah, yes, seventies mental hospitals not ideal. So he gets out,
he exhibits, he continues to exhibit strange behavior. It turns
out Eventually, he is also diagnosed as a paranoids getzopronic.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Just like his dad.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
In nineteen seventy one, at the age of thirty seven,
he earns his sociology degree. Oh good, okay, listen as
someone who's never earned shit. Congratulations, whatever year you do it.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
God bless America. Do it fair. That's a fair right, Look,
it took.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Him twenty eight years. That doesn't matter. He's still a sociologist, okay.
So he celebrates that by getting into an argument with
a guy and shooting him in the foot.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Celebrate good time, Come on, come on.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
So Rob Bob gets arrested, but he jumps bail and
he decides it's time for me to go to Austin, Texas.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Jesus. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
So he shows up and immediately starts hanging out at
the taxidermy shop in Austin coincidentally named Austin Taxidermy.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
You might what a weird coincidence.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, so he's very interested in taxidermy.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think I have this picture.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
He's a big hunter.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Obviously, he likes to hunt, and he likes to kill
huge animals and hang them on.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Walls, pose near them. He puts them up as high
as he can, so that he has to stretch to
touch them.

Speaker 9 (29:58):
And that makes him feel like a hey.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I'm an animal too.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
When I first saw this picture, I thought that over
there was a towel rack, and I'm like, is this
this motherfucker's bathroom?

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I was so excited.

Speaker 7 (30:15):
Oh my god, can you imagine this will look great
in my vaulted ceiling bathroom, my bathroom.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
With the ducks.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
All of those.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Animals are just like run yeah, okay. So so he
starts hanging out at Austin Taxidermy. He he's a first,
he's a I was gonna.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Say a patient.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
He's a customer. Sorry, he's a customer. But then he
starts to hang out there and he asked the owner
if he would teach him how to become a taxidermist himself.
So he kind of follows the owner around and learns
how to use all the machines. And then when he
finds himself without a place to live, the owners offer

(31:01):
they say, you can live in the trailer behind the
taxidermy shop.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So he's just getting those sweet fumes. R. He's just.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Saturating himself in his dream, in his dream of dead animals,
being stuffed so.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Like a cartoon creep.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
He moves into a trailer behind a taxidermy shop all
by himself, and then his next step because he's like,
all right, I'm in Austin. I'm I'm hanging out at
a taxidermy shop like all the hot young guys do.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Then he starts telling people.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
That he's a Korean War veteran, that he was a baby.
Is there a baby that doesn't like my story? Right?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Shoul should? Everyone should? Nope, it's a ghost baby, okay.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
That is the baby that killed another baby and now
haunts this theater.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
This college is so fucked up? Is this ghost baby college?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Have you gone to ghost the fighting ghost Babies?

Speaker 4 (32:15):
They win? They win every game because everyone's like, holy fuck,
that baby's dead.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
This is insane.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
It's I don't I think it's inappropriate that they made
their mascot a ghost baby, but I know make the rules.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Times are different. They do what they want down here.
It's weird.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
M He starts telling people he's a Korean War UH
fighter pilot, Yeah, veteran fighter pilot okay, who shot down
enemy aircraft in Korea. Claims he's in the French Foreign
Legion why not tack that on that he has three PhDs,
he speaks six foreign languages fluently. He was involved in

(32:55):
the Bay of Pigs. Jesus, he was responsible for the
assassination take Vera. That's a brag, bob, he claims he
uh once was court martialed for flying under bridges.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Sully but a rebel.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
And then, of course his big lie is he tells
everybody he's x CI A. Now Here is a hard
and fast rule for this life. If someone starts telling
you that they are x CIA, they are mentally ill. Yeah,
bar none, because the whole thing about being in the
CIA is you don't fucking.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Brag about it.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
It's totally fight club. It's governmental fight club zip the
lip CIA style. That's the whole fucking point of being
a CIA is you don't.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Tell people. Do I need to underline it again?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Watch the movie True Lies and you'll fucking know what
it's like.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
You'll see what Arnold was up against.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Mister missus smith Can.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
All he wanted to do was tell her about his
life mm hmm, and it drove them apart, and then
it brought them together outside of a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
This should be a movies.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Podcast, I think. Yep, let's change it.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
So now he's got taxidermy. Now he's got stolen valor.
What's the third horse in this trifecta? That's right, the
Church of Latter Day Saints.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Whoa, it's not gonna guess out.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, He's like, how do how am I gonna lock
this down and be the most popular guy in Austin.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm gonna pluck this one from the fucking tree's.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Oh, what's this ripe berry from the top of the tree.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
He joins the LDS and.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
So he actually gets baptized to the church and hot stuff,
and then he makes a bunch of uncomfortable point and
says that are like, it's great to meet you.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Why are you here? Why are you here? I made
a hot dish, Go over there and eat it, please.
I didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
I made you funeral potatoes.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
But I don't want to bring him to you.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
So, of course, in December of nineteen seventy three, he
gets arrested for wrestling Bison. You knew it.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You knew I was going to say it. I'm sorry,
Wait for reeler. Is that another lie he made up?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
No, it's real, My god, he doesn't even need to lie.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Why are you lying?

Speaker 4 (35:33):
He's so ridiculous. Here's his smugshot from wrestling wrestling bison.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
He didn't wrestle them. He couldn't wrestle them.

Speaker 6 (35:41):
I don't think it's called wrestling. When a bison beats
the shit out of you. He looks like someone I've dated?

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Does he like little Yeah, Carl Urban Star.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Tuk No, Hell, your cool friends done it? Whoops?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean, I'm just saying, if you lived in Austin,
you were just like a young lateres just trying to
see what was going on. You went to high school
with everybody, and it's all the same people.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And then this fucking guy moves to tell the Bison
rustler talking about bison.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
They're just like, what kind of plan did you fly
in Korea?

Speaker 8 (36:33):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Tell me more about the CIA, all the secrets that
you just keep.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Tell me about those secrets. Do you know one of
those suitcases that shoots people? It's the first question I
would ask.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
So he gets arrested and he goes to jail, but
none of his Mormon friends come and visit him, and
they don't get him a lawyer, guys, So he becomes
super enraged in jail.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Are not gonna say Jewish or something, just picks another religion. Yeah,
you know who will come to my head the time?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, just whoever will show up.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
We'll show up.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We'll come get you from jail, William, Do you promise
me right now?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Bring a fucking cooggle too. It's a hot dish, trying
to shove a casserole dish through the bars. Eat the coggle,
eat it. There's raisins in it. It's weird.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
It'll make you feel better like it. Eat it, eat
the Google?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Wait is Google? A casserole that has raisin?

Speaker 6 (37:33):
It's a it's a noodle casserole. It's kind of sweet,
but we eat it with dinner. It's not dessert, and
we put white raisins in it, and.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Like what else though, it's just like a good like
a custard. It's weird. What is wrong with it? And
I love the filter fish too. Everyone's horrify by that anyway,
neither bread. This is neither here nor there. That's very true.
Where are we? I don't know?

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Oh okay, no one's getting him help and no one's
coming to visit him. His hired Jewish Mormon church is like.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Sorry, I didn't see her text. It's just a whole
it's three hundred people that are like what you texted me.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
That's crazy. I didn't get it.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I didn't get it, the one thing you automatically get
and check every four seconds all day long.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Didn't get it. Just didn't.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
So he spends five months in jail, and he's pissed
kind of naturally, and then once he gets out, his
behavior becomes more and more bizarre. He starts to send
letters to the elders of the church, going it's a
little something like this, I will not mess about any longer.
I am going for the kill. I gave up everything

(38:49):
I owned and was chased, hounded, tracked down, jailed, starved,
and insulted not only by my enemies but by the
church itself.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I don't want to pat on the head or a pawshake.
I want blood. I want to go after my false
accusers now and bring them to dishonor wait, that's from
the bison, or from.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
Oh, that's from that was a letter written by a bison.
He shoved a pencil in his hoof and was just like, no,
I'm sorry, I'm pissed. I'm saying it I can finally
fucking tell them how I actually feel being a Mormon.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I shit, dude.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
So the bishop of the church gets this letter and
he's like, hey, everybody, xnay, I'm the Aubert Ray guy.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Don't talk to him anymore.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Literally tells everybody we have to stop associating with this person.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
He's dangerous.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
And there were two young men who were missionaries. Their
names were Gary Darley, who was twenty years old and
Mark Fisher, who was nineteen years old, and they had
been having dinner with Robert for since he moved to town. Basically,
they were kind of like the LDS kind of welcome wagon,
and they would got to go visit him. And because
of course he's a creep in the trailer behind the

(40:04):
tax fermy shop.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
He doesn't have a phone. He just yells at that
slatted window.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
When he needs to communicate with people.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
So they tell the bishop, Okay, well, we're just going
to go visit him one more time.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
He just said, don't talk to him anymore.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
But you know rebellious Mormon missionary is that they'll just
say fuck you right to your face. So on October
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy four, Gary Darley and Mark Fisher
go out to the taxi germy shop. They go to
the trailer for one last visit, and they're never seen

(40:43):
a live, so because everybody knew that Bob Cleasan was
the last person that would have seen them alive, the
police question him about where he thinks the boys could be,
and first he tells the police they never got to
his house for dinner, that he has no idea. But
of course then he's asked again and he changes his
story and says that there's a Mormon conspiracy against him.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
And that he's being set up.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's the one.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, that's the answer I should have gone with first. Sorry,
that's my real answer. And then then they bring it
up again and he says, actually, there's a judge in
this town who is a war criminal, and I, as XCIA,
have information about him. Therefore, he is trying to silence me.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
M that's not it either.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, And slowly the cops are backing toward the door,
like trying to feel for the doorknob behind him.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Uh oh, oh, you don't say a war criminal. You
say I'm gonna go check something in my car.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
How about a scene in a horror movie where a
cop just goes up into a high girl voice because
he's so fucking scared.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay, Bob, I stand a bit. Actually.

Speaker 4 (41:49):
In this Real Stories, which is it's a great episode
of Real Stories about this guy, there is this amazing cop,
Austin Pedi, who says he was twenty four years old
when I first got this guy, and he said he's
the scariest human being he's ever been because he came
in real like he almost talked, like almost babyish, where
he'd be like, oh, I don't know, Andy, he kind

(42:10):
of talk like that, and then if you pissed him off,
he would turn and they said his face would change
and his eyes would change and all of this sudden
he was the scariest person you ever saw.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I got length, I know. So then here's what happened.
Oh okay, they arrest him. I just said that part.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
So they go to the trailer and they do the search,
and outside they find uh Fisher's ID tag with a
bullet hole. Then inside the trailer they find both of
the boy's bloody watches, so they they're like, this is
not good. They also then see Clayson has this shooting

(42:54):
range that's set up in the backyard and then a
bunch of people that know Cleason say, oh yeah, here's
the thing he likes to do is he invites you
over to the shooting range like you're gonna shoot. He'll go,
look at me, I'm this expert shot and he'll do
all his shots. And you're supposed to go down and
get the target thing and go bring it back.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
And multiple people said that they would go down to
get the target and when they turned around, he was
standing there aiming the gun at them, and that was
like his funny joke. That's really solid comedy. So so
the police are now like, this is clearly how he
murdered these two points. Then also inside the trailer they

(43:34):
find it. It's like he's trying to write a book.
It's a manuscript for a thousand white Tails, a poacher's manuscript,
and it is hundreds of pages of him describing in
detailed writing how to kill, dress, and dispose.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Of animal carcasses.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
What if you had to read that, like you had to,
don't do it. I just I would just get through it,
you know what I mean. I would just do it.
I just do my job.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
I guess that's the right answer. Yeah, that wasn't a
great That wasn't a great question. I can admit what
I'm wrong. Steman edit that out, Stephen, turn that part up, louder.
I think it was powerful, a powerful moment of honesty.
I'm Irish Catholic. Therefore I'd shut down all my emotions

(44:24):
and just get the job done.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
That's how i'm That's how I made it to age
forty eight. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Shut it down, press it down, don't think about it
till you're crying in the grocery store and.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
You don't know why, you don't know why. It's over.
I'm like, oh, through this. I'm so sorry. That was
forever and I love it. Okay, it's the best. Okay,

(45:00):
here's here's I lost.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I don't know where I am, but this is a
little bit random.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
This information is going to reset all of our taste
buds to the horror that we're actually looking in right now.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
No, I'm going to stop it first, and everyone else
can stop it. He this guy has been married three times.
All these women have left him, and the most recent
one left him because she walked into the bathroom and
he was taking a bath with a disemboweled deer.

Speaker 9 (45:33):
Wilways lovey, Oh my god, that was amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Why isn't this a singing podcast?

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Why isn't this an insanity podcaw, it is, Okay, that's fucking.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Disgusting the worst.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
And then just the visual Well it's the word, because
then you'd be like, oh, I'm sorry, and then flashes
of what you just saw, yeah, never stopping.

Speaker 6 (46:09):
But is it wrong that I'm trying to think like, well,
he must have been terrible before that, because if I
saw Vince doing that, I don't know if I'd.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Immediately leave him. You definitely want to hear the story first.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah, what if he wasn't taking a bath or what
if he fell into the breat tub full of water?

Speaker 6 (46:28):
And she was probably like, yep, this is this is
old Robert. Yes, but I'd be like, this isn't Vince,
this is not like him.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
This isn't like him.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Why would he put bubbles into this path? So something
must have else been I'm gonna guess something else.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I said something else. I bet like his funny game
of pulling guns on people.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Vince in the back is like I can finally live
my life in my real life. She'll accept me for
who I am.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
And then there's a deer standing next to him, like,
what what's the what'd you say?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
The plan was okay.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
So once they police put all this horrifying information together,
they send a forensic team to investigate the Taxi Army studio,
and this is where the connection to the Texas Changehaw
Mascar comes in, because they end up finding hair that
matches the two young missionaries and human blood and tissue

(47:23):
on the band saw that.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
The taxidermy studio.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
And they also find their hair behind the shop, in
this bin behind the shop where the employees disposed.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Of the unused animal parts.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And so then the.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Police put together that basically he killed these boys and
then got rid of their bodies by basically dismembering them
and getting rid of anything that would have looked human
so that he could put.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
It into that taxidermy bin.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
So it's the worst of the worst.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
So the state only has circumstantial evidence. They only have
all that stuff that they found in and around the
tax ermy a place and his trailer. So but they
go to trial anyway in nineteen seventy five, and he
has found guilty of murder, and the jury immediately gives.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Him the death penalty. Hold, hold, don't do it, don't
fall for it. You must know that there's more to come.
And it's not good. It's actually the worst.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
In nineteen seventy seven, he's on death row for two
years when the appeals court finds that the search warrant
used to look.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Through his trailer was defective. Is the word that I
cut and paste? So who wrote that? That's not? The
search warrant was defective?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
And so the bloody watches, the name tag shy hideous
manuscript are all inadmissible.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Oh yoh, judge, whatever your name is.

Speaker 4 (48:51):
Why So his conviction's overturned and the authorities are like,
it's too big of a risk to retry him when
we don't have any of this.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Evidence.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
So instead they bring him up on weapons charges in
Buffalo from when he shot the guy in the.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Foot, tuck, and he gets the death penalty.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Here, No, sure doesn't. He gets nine years in a
prison in Buffalo. Yes, And secretly Austin's like, well, least
team on here anymore.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
So he goes to jail.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
He's in jail in Buffalo, and while he's there, he
signs up for a thing called International pen friends. Oh yeah,
and he begins exchanging letters with a widow named Marie
Longley who lives in the very British sounding town of
Barton upon Humber. Really really, it's up in the northeast

(49:47):
of England. And he explains to Marie, of course, that
he is a Korean decorated war veteran who is also
a college professor teaches literature to prisoners and that's why
all the pictures he sends her are from the inside
of a prison.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, and they make me wear the prison blue.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
I just try to blend in to make them want
to learn from me. So he gets her more and
more to reveal all the details of her life. That
she is a policeman's widow, so she makes a pension,
she owns her own house, and she has a modest
but stable income, and he's like, ding ding, ding ding,

(50:30):
I'm in love.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
So in nineteen eighty eight, he's released from prison.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
The city of Buffalo of course doesn't want him, and
it sweeps weak also the week he gets released, so literally,
reporters just follow him around town. He gets released from prison,
he has nowhere to go, and reporters are just like,
how do you feel by how nobody wants.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
You here and you need to leave immediately.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Nah uh yeah, Oh, I just want to show that
he wore.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
The Maga hat first. That's him, He's that's him.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
A ridge just saying, oh, no way they get married.
That's Marie.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Look at he looks like the fattest vampire of all
time in this picture he does.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Look you're only drinking blood? What are you? Oh my god?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
And also he that is a metal that is not
his Yeah. Yeah, he's wearing fucking lunatic.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Okay, oh I'm scary.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
It's scary.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
So essentially the people, the city officials in Buffalo are like,
we want him out. People start petitions. At one point,
he tells a reporter, I'm not the monster that they portrayed.
He has this weird, little baby voice, and if they
dig a little deeper, why they'll find out.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
I'm just an average sort of guy.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
He has that really irritating Midwest accent where you're like,
you're fucking hiding something, you old weird Dracula.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
So dear comes around the corner and it's like he's
fucking he's alone.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
A tag.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I took a bag with my cousin. Was my cousin's
in his bathroom. Follow me.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Deer, standing on his hind legs, going yelling out to
the people of Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Don't believe him. Fucking listen to me, you idiots. Okay.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Robert waits out his parole and then he writes to
Marie in England and says I'm gonna come and visit you,
and she's like, that sounds okay, pen pal. Then she
starts getting dozens of boxes sent to her house. It's
filled with all of his shit and literally garbage, like
they open one thing and hurt.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Marie's friend Liz.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Says that there's just some macaroni in a tin, like
he's just sending He just boxed up a bunch of
shit and is like, I'm moving to Marie shit.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
So she likes him fine at first.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Everyone's like he's super nice to her, and he was
just nice, and you know, he was this war veteran
and everybody liked him and he told them and of
course he won the Purple Heart in the Congressional Medal
of Water and that he had a girlfriend in Canada.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
It was really into him.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
Within four months they're married, that I just showed you.
Then he starts joining the local gun clubs in her
little British town, which is like there must have been
one maybe, And he also starts hoarding guns and ammunition.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
He applies for a gun permit to buy and sell guns.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
He gets so many guns that he has to knock
out a wall in Marie's upstairs area, so it's just
one big room full of guns. It's so many guns
for England. It's like, I think he collected every gun
in England.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
He's just like, I got them all, let me know
what you need.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
So of course British Marie is getting the full on
gun creeps from this guy. And then he's starts doing
it because then the mask drops away, of course, and
he has his horrible anger and stuff, and then he
starts doing things where he's cleaning his gun and then
he just aims it at her, that old thing he
loves to do. So she's like, honeymoon over, you weren't

(54:15):
like this in your letters. Then of course the domestic
abuse comes. At one point, she starts locking herself in
the back bedroom and just like living back there, un
she'll only come out when he's gone or just like
if it's necessary. So after a while at the gun club.
The mask comes off because he ends up living in

(54:35):
this town for ten years.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Yeah, so at first everything's fine, but he can't. He can't,
he can't handle it. They end up nicknaming him Odd Bob,
which is like, you fucking gotta love the British because
even in the face of like serial killers, they're just like, Okay,
Odd Bob kills some more people. He of course has
all his XCIA claims.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
They're like bullshit.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
One time he parks illegally and one of the fellow
gun club members comes out. It's like, move your fucking car.
He gets into his car, sits there, sits there, that
comes out with a double barrel shotgun, holds it in
the guy's face.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I'm like omer food style. Yes. A little flag comes
out that says bang. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
He says to the guy, if we were in Texas,
I'd kill you right now.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Uh huh. And all the British people are like, oh my,
we don't do this here. So they start they want
him gone. And so this local gun shop owner named
Tony Fox is in this Real Story Special.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
He starts digging around.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
He writes a letter to the American medal of a
Medal of Honor Society. This is how you googled back then.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
That's exactly right, just long letters. And also could you
look up the capital of Wisconsin for me? It's a
different if it's a different issue, but I would be
a great favor. They write back and tell Tony that
Bob Cleeson's military honors are all bullshit, and so they
finally have a reason to ask him to leave the

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gun club. When this happens, Tony is the one that
confronts him, and Bob says, if you tell anybody else
about this, I'll kill you, and like, you won't see
me coming because I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Fucking Xcia Ninja Dracula, So.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Of course, and he says like, and you can't tell
the police, and Tony's like, sounds great, mate, And he'd
already told the police every single thing he knew. So
the police come to Bob and Marie's home and they
run his name through in a pole. They find out
about the prior offenses and the gun law violations. So
they raid Marie's house and they confiscate forty two guns

(56:47):
and the police say the one they took the guns
out of the house, Bob sat down in a chair
and cried for five hours.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Jesus ass yeah, wow, wept over his Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Wept like an only child.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Kind So.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
So then when all this happens, Marie's friend.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Liz Butterfield, who features prominently in this Real Stories episode
of The Rules, she's the greatest, uh. She finds out
from Marie that Bob has moved a band saw into
their kitchen.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
That's not where band saws go, it doesn't belong in
the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
And it's also the same thing that they found all
the DNA on in the taxi army shop. So Liz
is like, all right, we need to everybody needs to
down time to Yeah. So what she does is she
gets her son, who knows how to use the computer,
and she's like, look, this fucker's name up helping with
the internet because it's like the year fucking two thousand

(57:55):
or whatever and everyone was still scared to touch electric things.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
So the son looks it up.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
They find out all of his police records. He's like,
they didn't even realize you could do that, And they
find not just the ones in Buffalo, but the fact
that he was on death row in Texas, and everyone
ships a brick.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Liz goes over, but very politely because they're British. Liz
goes over.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
She tells Marie, you're married to a murderer. She says
she can't leave because he's He says he's gonna kill
me if I try to leave him. Three days later,
Marie disappeared, So everybody in this town upten upon downtown. Uh,
they're scared that he's killed her, but actually turned out

(58:44):
that after all that happened, Marie and Liz fucking put
this plan into place Cia style and they.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Fucking snuck the fuck out of there.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
They tell him that they're going they're putting together a
jumble sale, and they put all her shit in plaid
like grocery bags, and they're just lining it up, like, oh,
this is all the stuff for the jumble sale.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
It's all her shit.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
And then Liz just comes by one morning like we're
off to the jumble sale, and he's like, see you later,
and they load up that fucking car and were away
to a pay pass.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yes it.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It actually takes the police five days to find her
because they were so fucking serious. They're like, oh, you
don't tell anyone. They didn't tell anybody. Shit, it's so awesome.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
So when the police police get back to the cottage,
they find two more illegal weapons, one of which is
an assassin's rifle that has a silencer on it.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Is it in a briefcase.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
It's it's wearing its own little beige raincoat. So they
arrest him again and they let him out on bail.
No no, no, no, I don't I don't even know.
So he goes back to the house and he immediately
starts right another pen pal for real, and so he

(01:00:05):
finds a German woman that he now begins romancing, and
the cops are watching him and like following him around.
He's somehow gotten this German woman to come to that town.
So they're driving around in this van filled with Marie's
furniture and this new woman that they're like, holy shit.
They finally the sentence goes through and he has to

(01:00:28):
go to jail for three years, but then one year later,
so he's in jail, and then a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Year later because it's two thousand and one, and suddenly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
There's da DNA evidence everywhere, So they go back and
they pull a jumpsuit that they had found the cops
had found in a can outside the taxidermy thing and
they test all of the blood that was on the
front of this jumpsuit and it has Gary Darley and
Mark Fisher's blood on it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And they finally have the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Proof that Robert Kleason is the one who killed them.
Oh my god, and that means they can retry him
for those murders. Yeah, so the UK agrees to extradition,
and then Robert Cleeson.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
On April twenty first, two thousand and three.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Dies of a heart attack. What a dick, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
At the age of sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
And that is the insane, horrible story of the not
really real Texas chainsaw massacre.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Robert omer Gleeson. That was excellent. Sorry, it was so
fucking long. Good Sorry, so good?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Wow that was horrible.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Yeah and great and yet okay, all right, well I'm
going to do the murder of Stephen Robards. Don't worry
about it, You'll figure it out. And I have to
go right at the top. I got a shitload of
this info from a great article by our from the

(01:02:10):
Texas Monthly, by our best friend Skimp.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Hollins were the greatest. I love him.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
Give that man a podcast for real, all right, So
this dude's Stephen Robarts and Beth Lomer fall in love
in high school in Fort Worth, Texas in the seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Fort Worth in the seventies was gorgeous, beige beige, beige,
mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (01:02:40):
They get married nineteen seventy four whatever, when Beth was
just eighteen. Two years later, they have a daughter and
they named her Dorothy Marie, but she goes by Marie.
But their relationship ended pretty quickly. In nineteen eighty Beth
got tired of her husband's behavior. It alludes to the
fact that he might have had been bipolar, but he

(01:03:02):
would have jealousy issues, temper tantrums, it doesn't matter. They
break up and when Marie was about three, and so
about a year later, when Marie's about four, Beth gets
remarried to a dude named Frank. He's an ex Navy
officer blah blah blah, and then three of them moved
to Granberry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Granbury.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Granberry is it a town that was built around a
really huge berry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
The Grand Berry.

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
It's about thirty five miles outside of Fort Worth. And
at first Marie is close with her stepfather and they
fucking get along. She even starts to call him dad,
and her real father, Stephen, who san who visits She
visits him a couple of times a month, back and Fortworth,
she starts calling him, which he had to love this
Stephen dad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Ew yeah sorry, she was an only child. Yeah yeah, yeah,
you know. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
So Marie and her mother are extremely close, almost in
an unhealthy way. They're more like sisters that sort of thing.
And it seems like Marie had this really strong bond
to her mom. And as she enters high school, she
she turns out to be this really, really smart girl.
She gets really good grades. She you know, doesn't mouth off.

(01:04:23):
I don't know, but she all the teachers loved her,
you know, she excelled. And then a week before her
sixteenth birthday, everything changes when Marie comes home early and
finds her stepdad, Frank, in fucking bed with another woman.
Oh no, yeah, who he had been having an affair with.

(01:04:43):
She tells her mom, Beth, and ultimately Beth fucking blames
herself and her crazy work schedule is like I'm staying
with him. And so from that point on, Marie fucking
hated Frank and there was all this crazy tension in
the house. So eventually she refus uses to live with them,
and she leaves home and goes to stay with her

(01:05:04):
grandparents and it's just angry. But fucking Frank was like, well,
I have this rule that if any of he had
a kid too, if you ever leave the house and
say you want to move out, you can't come back in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And he was like, really strict about it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Oh, so he's strict about rules that he set, right,
but why the rules of the lord don't match?

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Okay, Frank, if that is your real name.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Right, sounds good?

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
He seems like a dick, And it seems like the
perfect how you don't parent teenagers rules and unless they're
your stepchildren, and then whatever you want is fine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
List. I'm a child of divorce. Obviously we're working.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
With a lot of shit up here tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:05:46):
So, of course, as a new teenager who fucking went
off in a huff changes her fucking mind five days
later and tries to come home, and Frank's like, you
can't fucking come back here, And Marie's best friend, her
mom is like, I felt like I had to choose
between the two of them, and ultimately she chose her
fucking cheating ass husband gross, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
And so Marie is devastated and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
She ends up going to move with her dad in
fourth in Fort Worth into his one bedroom apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
And have you guys divorced dad apartments? I have?

Speaker 6 (01:06:23):
Everything is beige carpets, just like my dad would have.
You had to get hand me down furniture, so like
he'd have, like someone else's old patio furniture.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Is this a nor furniture? No, it's kind of depressing.
Love your dad was there, bird shit on it? Okay,
he was. My dad was very clean, a meat freak.
And then uh so she went to live with him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
But Steve Stephen was really happy to have his daughter there,
a chance to connect with her. He tried really hard
to make her happy. She began attending high school in
town and Fort Worth, and at that point stevehn't gotten
those life together. After the divorce, he was in a
relationship with a woman who lived in this building.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
She was a single mom. They had met at Parents
without Partners. Oh yeah, wonderful organization. Yeah, he was going
to a local church.

Speaker 6 (01:07:16):
He got a good job as a mail carrier and
was stoked to have his daughter with him. But of
course Maria was heartbroken that her mom had fucking ditched
her and she didn't like living in her dad's house.
She wrote to her mom and called every night, complaining
about her new school, that her father had no homemaking skills,
that he had few kitchen utensils I identify with because we.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Just keep losing forks. Where are they going?

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
What if Steven steals one fork every time he stays
at my house just to fuck with us?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
We got a rad I do that all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
It's always teaspoons, and then I find them all in
the backseat of my car because I eat yogurt on
the wheel as I drive, And then when I done, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Like, see you later. At least it's not out the window.
The teaspoon out the window hit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
A motorcycle cop. Now I'm arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I'll come to prison and get you. You would It
was a Google, a Google forcing me to eat Georgia.
I'm in prison, Okay. It turns out they serve Google
in here too. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:28):
Said that she didn't clean the apartment and Marie so
he was trying to get a two bedroom apartment in
the building, but in the meantime she had to sleep
on a rollerway bed in the dining room, and so
she was pissed off about that. Sure been there, and uh, sorry,
she's fifteen, she's sixteen at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Sixteen.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
Yeah, anyway, you need your own Sixteen year olds hate
their parents no matter what they do, right, So, and
Marie even sent her mom a letter telling her that
she was thinking about suicide. But old our friend ll
Beth over Here was like, I just thought she was
being dramatic and that she was typical teenage angst.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Bye bye. I'm gonna going out with my husband like that, mom,
But I'm not supposed to say that. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 6 (01:09:11):
So things start to settle down finally, and she starts
to excel at school at her new school again, and
she's doing really well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
She's one of those kids.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
It reminds me of the type that are super eager
to please because everything around them is chaos and they
don't want to be the one fucking things up. So
they're like, I'm going to fucking make sure there's not
a single thing about me that they can be mad about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I don't get that, that's why not me. I was like,
I'm gonna fuck everything up, and I'm gonna laugh on
your face when you're mad at it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Go bye. That's when Baby Georgia pits up that meth
pipe and she's like, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I'm throwing spoons out the window, shooting up, then the meth,
then the spoon out the window.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
But but but but okay, wait, those things are so long.
She goes it, and then excellent grad et cetera. She
starts to settle in. Then then out of the blue.
On February eighteenth, nineteen ninety three, Marie turns up on
Steven's new lady friend's door. That's what my dad calls
the girl called the girls he was dating lady lady friends.

(01:10:16):
I've got a new lady friend.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I had a boyfriend who tried to call me that
once and I just left the store that we win.
Why did he do that? I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
I guess he was uncomfortable with the word girlfriend. And
then I just stared at him and I walked out
and got in the car and left. It was just like, no,
here's the thing. You don't have to call me anything,
but if you're gonna call me something lady friend is
not fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It, dude?

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
My dad that's I dated Marty for seven wonderful months.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Now I'm your step Maddy, clean your room. I'm gonna
call you Karen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Mom clicking your room, making the worst microwaves like lean
cuisines for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Sit down, children, there's no utensils. Also, we're adults. What
do we have to eat here? There's so many questions. Okay,
so oh okay.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
So out of the blue of February eighteen, nineteen ninety three,
Marie knocks on lady friend's door and she's, like, my
dad sick. Stephen had come home from church after dinner,
complaining of a stomach ache, and so Marie babysat the
young the lady friend's young son, and she rushed well
that she rushes over to find Stephen in bed, complaining

(01:11:37):
he was getting stiff in his arms and legs, he
couldn't swallow well, and then there was saliva coming up
through his mouth. She calls an ambulance and he's Stephen's
foaming at the mouth and yeah and just in the
Paramedics try to get an oxygen tube down his throat
to keep him alive, but his throat's completely closed up.
He ends up dying at just thirty eight years old,

(01:11:58):
and they according to the corner, her Stephen died of
a heart attack, a throat attack. Yeah the end of
the story.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
No, well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
So yeah, so fucking Steven dies.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
With her father dead, Marie is now eventually moves in
with She tries to move in with her mom in
Florida because they were gonna leave Frank. Then Frank comes back,
fucking Beth takes him back again. So eventually Marie ends
up moving in with her grandparents, her dad's parents, in
Mansfield near Fort Worth. There she rolls at Mansfield High School.

(01:12:38):
That the fighting potted plants.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Damn it, that's good. Imagine fighting potted play shards of
clay pot and all in your football pads, their mascots.
Just a big fightus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Just the angriest ficus in all of home depot coming
to get you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Fuck fuck cute.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Why aren't more high school cheers ending in fuck you
these days?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
That's that's what it's all about. Someone starts that please
please express yourself. She now becomes again a really great student.
And but then in their senior year, Marie meets a
new best bestie best girlfriend. She goes super close with
this chicken fucking no joke named Stacy. Hi ah hi

(01:13:36):
hei like high yes, good for her. Stacy is a
really popular student. Her parents had divorced as well, and
that wasn't really a normal thing in their school, so
she was like wanted to get to know Marie. She
said that Marie was one of the most mature girls
she had ever met. Like Stacy liked to go out
and party and Marie was like super studious, and Stacy
was like, maybe this will run off rub off on me.

(01:13:58):
Great that she becomes super close, but Stacy says she
always feels like Marie is holding back from her. Oh
here's that photo of our friend Marie. Oh okay in
the fucking most amazing time of our lives.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Is I mean, did she craft that jacket out of
pure sorrow or what? It's so, it's so it's trying
to be like, it's fine, everything's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
Right, Yeah, but she she looks all yeah, whatever, Okay,
she's very pretty Obviously that was them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, I don't remember what the next one is. Oh
that's her on her name. Yeah, look at him.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Look at his socks, but they looked mismatched. But that's
just the shadow. He didn't wear a light blue and
a white sock.

Speaker 6 (01:14:46):
They're still there's still he's such a he's just such
like a dad. He's a total thirty eight year old dad,
totally all right. So so Stacey and Marie, Uh, Marie
went open up to Stacy, but they spent a lot
of time working on the school year book together, hanging
out Bessie's, et cetera. Then in January ninety four, Marie

(01:15:06):
and Stacy are studying Hamlet, and Stacy has a favorite
scene in Hamlet, like as all high school students do.
I don't know, never cracked one of those fucking books,
never and state this is how the fucking story goes.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
And we're like, Stacy, what really happened?

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
Because you did not recite a silic soliloquy of the
Danish monarch Claudius who.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Poisoned his brother.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
She's She's like, let me, let me recite you my
favorite part, Stacey says, and she recites this part about
Hamlet or you know, getting all getting killed, killing her father,
and am I gonna be okay?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
And all this shit? I didn't read it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
That was the cliffs notes version.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, And Stacy's like, what'd you think of that? Marie,
and Marie's fucking.

Speaker 6 (01:15:50):
Sobbing, and she's like, uh you okay dude, and Marie,
uh she said. Marie's hand started returned pale. Her hands
were trembling. She gets to wheat and then fucking confesses
to Stacy that she killed her father.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
What yep, the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Girl with the jacket?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, fuck yeah poison. Yeah yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
She tells her what happened was that she's fucking getting aces.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
In fucking chemistry class. She finds a bottle marked with
a skull and crossbones and the word poisonous on it
and pours it into a napkin. Sorry, none of that happened,
that's no. Absolutely, this is the nineties. They're like, go
ahead and handle poison everyone at your own risk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Let's see at this high school, we're gonna line the
poison bottles up over here and you can check them out,
but please fill out this form.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
But she's also like a really good student, so it's
possible she got like she was able to like come
and go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Is she please maybe have access?

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Can I get into a poison closet? I'm really mature,
I love Hamlet, and can I just just get a
couple of SIPs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
Well, somehow she got it, poured it into a napkin,
brought it home, and fucking slipped it into her father's
refried beans and their takeout Mexican food.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Yeah she was the good one. Yeah, fuck yeah, she
said uh she she said she.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
She confessed that she had murdered her father by poisoning him. Stacy,
She's like, you got to keep it a secret. And
Stacy's like, I just like Hamlet and partying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I kind of want to get in atno okay college.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
She's like one of those cops.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Okay, I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Doorknob, doorknob, door knob, doorknob.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
That's right, Do you one second before I keep that secret?

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Now, I don't want to bite of your food.

Speaker 10 (01:17:49):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Stacy promises to keep Mary's secret, does so for weeks,
but she's fucking tormented by gilt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
She's having nightmares.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
Eventually she's like, I uh was so bothered by the
idea that Marie might be a totally different person than
she thought she was, meaning I think she's gonna fucking
kill me too. Fair enough, Yeah, and Stacy eventually tells
the police. But okay, well the police investigate, which I
think takes like eight fucking months.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
They still have to go to school together. Oh no,
and I don't know. I don't think Marine knows yet
that that Stacey told.

Speaker 6 (01:18:19):
So Stacey's like, you know what, I'm going to quit
the yearbook staff and kind of starts to distance herself
from her, and Marie's like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Why every time you talk to me do you not
move your mouth? This weird? Well, Canara thinks, great secrets,
it's perfect. I'll tell you one too. Let's share Dorito's
chare Doria.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
That's all of high school to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Oh, shared Doritos. And those donuts, those packets of tonuts.
That's where I'm donut gems. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:54):
The crumb ones. Okay, the crumb ones will make you choke.
By the way, that's just a public service announcement. Don't
eat two crumb donuts in a row or you will die.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
It's true. They're so dry. We're doing the Lord's work
on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
We're getting the word out to people about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Crop chimking cazards. Hello. Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
Eventually, so they have to pretend their friends still, Stacy
is losing her shiit of course Stacy. She eventually goes
to an after school program at private psychiatric treatment center
in Mansfield, and she's like, I need some help. My
life is swirling down the fucking toilet. Right, Yes, So
it takes eight months for tests for the testing to
be done to see what kind of fucking poison. Because

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detect the poison, it's specialized fifteen thousand, one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars machine is required, which the medical examiner
who was like, mister old heart attack back there a
couple of years ago, he didn't have that machine. So
he's just like, heart attack, heart attack.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Everyone great, there's a knife in some one's eye.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:20:05):
I feel like the heart stopped at some point. I'm
just got better write it down. He's a bison padenitrated
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
This person died of a heart attack. I was gonna
try to make a bison sound. I have no fucking clue.
And nobody knows. No, no one knows what a bon
No one knows. It's a mystery. They've all been rustled.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
Okay, So they finally find out that it's barium acetate
and it's two hundred and fifty times the amount that's
usually found in a person's blood.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
I guess we have that in us is found in
poor Stephen.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
And so at this point, Maris and fucking a freshman
at the University of Texas here in Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Oh shit, the flying, the fighting bass players. Oh they
love to fight with each other. Really, that's not how.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
I'm gonna get you out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
That's the song. Yeah, that's what they're going to beat
you in football.

Speaker 6 (01:21:20):
At the Austin police station, Burie just admits to killing
her father.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Good, just make it quick, get it over with. And
she's They're like, what did he do to you? Please
give us a reason why you would have killed him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Please tell us he lost to you, because we can't
fucking deal with this, and she's like, he was great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
He never did anything wrong. He didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
And so she says that her motive was that she
believed her father's death was the only way she could
return to live with her mom. And she said, quote,
I just wanted to be with my mom so bad
that I would do anything to be with her.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
So this check is fucking got some she's been this
port yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
When you're sixteen, you never want to be with your mom.
Your mom does You're like, oh yeah, my rolls like
it's so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah, so clear, there is the way you're supposed to
grow up. Something going on.

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
And when her mom found out about the death of
her ex before knowing that her daughter did it, she
was like, it's it sucks because I was actually about
to come get you and move us to Florida in
a week and I just hadn't told you yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Marie's like, bitch, yeah, you gotta be fucking kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
That said, if only I had told Marie one week earlier,
which is like, none of this would have ever happened
if only you had been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
A normal mom. Only No, it's not her fault. I'm sorry,
I have mom issues. Okay, we're working some shit out.
Let us do it. They use the.

Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
Life insurance money that Marie received after Stephen's death sixty
grand to hire two veteran Fort Worth defense attorneys, whose
strategy was to convince the jury that Marie didn't know
that she just wanted to get her dad six so
she could move back. That was what they said, thinking
it would lead to a lighter sentence of manslaughter rather
than murder. But Marie, who was nineteen by this, time there,

(01:23:18):
she goes.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Nineteen.

Speaker 6 (01:23:20):
By the time she went to trial in nineteen ninety five,
she sobbed quietly throughout much of the trial. And then
Jim Roberts, who is Steven's dad, her fucking grandpa, took
the stand and was like, said that Marie should be
forgiven and offered a probationary sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
He was like, it wasn't her fault. I know, it's
so sad.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
In the end, the defense plan didn't work, and Marie
was convicted of murder and sentenced to twenty eight years
in prison, but she was released on parole for good
behavior after eight years in two thousand and three, and
she changed her name and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Is now in living here tonight. Come on, that's right,
get out here, Bridget.

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
And that is the murder of Stephen rovers That's so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
That's that thing too, when like you're a teenager and
you're you have a lot of anxiety or stress or whatever,
and then you come to these decisions and it's like
everything's black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
It's a half to this or that and there's no
other option, that's right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:27):
That's what you don't understand like consequences yet completely because
your brain's not fully fucking formed.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
And shit, I know we actually don't. But do we
have time for a home? Yeah, let's do it for sure.
The last hometown, Oh my gosh, I don't know what
that says. It is by Yeah, these areas they're not

(01:24:54):
I wouldn't sit in. These things are much a wider arm.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, you're right, but usually do a velvet number.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Also, I was following along.

Speaker 10 (01:25:03):
I don't know if you mentioned, but Marie the poison
she got was from her high school chemistry class with
a bottle that just had a skull and crossbones.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I already said, Oh, I said it was poison made
fun of me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
I gotta get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Did he just man's plain my fucking murder to me?
That's husband's playing has been getting into the lone Star
back day. Okay, that hometown.

Speaker 4 (01:25:45):
You guys know the rules basically, but it's very important.
Please let it be local. Definitely Texas, if not Austin.
We don't give a shit about what happened to you
in Arizona. And I'm not fucking kidding. You have to
make a quick beginning, middle end. It's very important that
if you tell a good story and It's very important
that you tell it quickly because if you get picked,
everyone hates you. All right, Jargia will now choose a

(01:26:08):
hometown murder, the last hometown murder.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
You send one out here, ball tour. Here, we get
that way over there where vinces that way? Someone yelled,
she's sober. She's sober, and I'm like, no, she's not.
Uh uh what is that the glow of the dark
thing said, I can't read it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
What skull team?

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Okay, it's a new thing they have out there where
people run around in groups of five they hold a skull.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Oh, it's called skull Team. It's hilarious. So, guys, last
hometown at twenty eighteen? God, so much pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Oh last night, last night when we were Atlanta, someone
gave us a raisin cake with a pentagram onto right,
So you know the kind of gifts were going to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Hi. What's your name? Did you say? Carry? Carry?

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Carrie Georgia. This is so crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Take that microphone and come over here and then cent
her up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Carrie? Where are you from? I am from Fort Worth? Okay?

Speaker 10 (01:27:21):
So my story is about my cousin Greg and he
lived in Lewisville, which about three hours from here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Okay, shout out. They do that to every city Oslo.
I love it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:39):
So Greg was dating a lady named Carol, and Carol
Carol had been with a boyfriend named Earl Texas, you know,
good Texas boy name Earl was abusive, not a good guy.

(01:28:02):
And so when Greg started dating Carol, Earl, who was
also a realtor, got a key to her apartment, got
a locksmith to get a key to go into her apartment,
and he went in and they were in bed together,
Greg and Carol, of course they were dating or whatever.

(01:28:23):
He got livid, so mad he storms out, and my
cousin Greg was a subcontractor big construction on homes and such.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
He had gotten a message that someone wanted to.

Speaker 10 (01:28:41):
They needed some work done on a house, and it
was an empty house. So Greg goes to meet this
client at the empty house and he's shot in the
head and killed in the garage. This was in the
early eighties, and what better way to cover up a

(01:29:03):
murder in the early eighties than to dump red paint
on the floor and write six sixty six on the
garage make it look like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
A Satanic ritual. Yeah, so that's what happened.

Speaker 10 (01:29:14):
And Earle put put my brother's body into his own
truck into Gregs truck, drove it out on I thirty five,
parked it, put a flat tire on it. So he
sat there for a couple of days, and finally, you know,
the police found him and they kind of tied it
back that it was Earl who had set it up.

(01:29:36):
But unfortunately it was only circumstantial evidence that they could find,
so he was never prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Oh but here's what I'll say, You ladies have encouraged.

Speaker 10 (01:29:49):
Me and inspired me, and I really want to reach
out to the Lewisville Police Department and ask their cold
case division to look back into this because there have
been so many.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Developments such a I did not see that you should
do that. Thank you. Yeah, so, thank you ladies, very
very much.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
You're what an amazing story.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Thank you for sharing that caring everybody is here.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Great job. Oh my on, I have chills, and I
might say, I know, I know, that was really amazing.
This is such a crazy community. You guys are all made.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:33):
This insane little thing that we had this fascination with
by ourselves and watched all these TV shows at late
at night about true crime and now we're all together.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Like normal people and realize how normal it is.

Speaker 6 (01:30:46):
To have it in your life and in your family,
or just to be interested in it. But you're not
a sick fuck for being interested in it. You're just
you know, human.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Yeah, it's very cool.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Yeah, we talk about this all the time, and we
try to freshen it up and make it new for
every show, but we really are we're just flabbergasted at
the response that we've gotten for this podcast and the
support and the community you guys have created for yourselves.
You you, you raise money, You fucking have get togethers,
You fight your own anxiety, and you meet new people,

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and you go out into.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
The world and you're taking back the world around you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
And now you get to say what's weird and you
get to say what's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Allowed, and you know, we get a lot of credit
for that, but you're doing it for yourselves and it's
an amazing thing to see. So thank you, Thank you
so so much for being here with us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
You too, Balcony, you too, shit.

Speaker 9 (01:31:49):
All the way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Yeah, it's really yeah, no, go ahead. This has been
and yet another incredible tour with these fucking awesome, our friends.
We're so lucky. Thank you guys so much for coming
and supporting us for almost three fucking years.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
Yeah, we meet, we get to meet people at the
meet and greet, and sometimes they'll go like, we came
to see you in this show and this show and
we were coming tomorrow and we went there last year,
and it's just we can't say it enough that it's
just we're having the best fucking time and it's really
incredible that this is our job now. So thank you
very much, yeah very much, and Austin especially, this was

(01:32:32):
a fucking amazing, great show that we had the best
time at.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
And what for letting perfect perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
Ending for this tour. That's it's been amazing shows. But
oh my god, what a huge high to end on.
Thank you so much, So stay sexy and

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Bye Austin.