188 - The You & Me Of This Group

Karen and Georgia cover the Dyatlov Pass mystery and Linda Hazzard.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Helloo, and welcome to my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
This is a podcast. That's it the end, that's Georgia Hartstart,
that's Karen Kilgara.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
We're here to talk to you about many things. True
climb one of them, free climbing one of them.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Don't do it. We're like, hey, go to half dome,
don't use ropes, don't do true crime. Please get up.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
On a get up on a rock that has almost
no footholds and just climb with your fingertip.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
No free climbing, no true criming here, period, none of
the period. This is all new.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
This is a podcast where we mostly talk about recycling paper.
Come on, guys, everyone's talking about recycling plastics.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Can't use a straw this and that. Hey, how about.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Paperbout let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Let's talk about lap.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Tila deep dive.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
My friend just sent me a picture, okay, and I
don't know if it was his actual view or if
he found it online, but it made me laugh so
hard because it's it's taken from an aisle seat in
a plane, one seat behind a lady who is in
the aisle of in front of, and diagonally across, and
that woman is working on a hoop stitch and she's embroidering.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Eat a bag of dick. Look at this lady of
my dreams.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
So it's my friend Davis Gondari sent this to me,
who I've known since I was eighteen years old, and
he is the most fun You've met him when we're
in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
She's holding it up for the world to see. She's
just like beautifully and floral. Isn't it perfect? Eat a
bag of dick? It's really well done. She has a
blue streak in her hair. So she's a friend of ours.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
She's yes, she absolutely looks like a librarian slash professional
knitter slash.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Derby doll murdering. Now yes, sure, Hi, we respect you,
we support you.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
This is the world I want to live in. Let
us know if it's you, Cleve, you gotta know it's
my favorite. Bless your heart, and thanks Dave for always
keeping me up to date on what's going on in
the world.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
When I love that, you're the kind of person, and
this is the kind of person I strive to be
that when someone sees the jerremat a bag of dicks,
they think to send it to you first.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
You know who's gonna like this?

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Who?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Okay too?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
But you know why because I remember a time not
so long ago when that's the kind of thing you
had to hide in your bag because some weird mid
level businessman would get up all in your shit if
you are doing something like that on the Southwest.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
He'd get the vapors and be like put the back
of his palm to his forehead.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Oh, and his other hand down on his dockers.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
How dare you? How dare you? Why any more? Friends?
Now you can eat a bag of dits in public.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
And now you can just go ahead and need a
bag of dits about it. Welcome moms and Grandma's new listeners.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yes, this is what it's like, guys.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
It really is not appropriate. And that's the fun part,
that's right, that's what we like.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
What have you got announced? Men's announces a really fun announcement. Okay, yeah,
we went to the fun one first. Absolutely before all
you skip or skip, yeah, actually skip because this isn't
for you.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
You didn't earn it. You don't get this, Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Do you think that there's going to be a time,
probably sometime in the near future where we're going to
say the whole podcast together at the same time.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I do being that. Yeah, oh my god, it already happened.
We're close. We're close.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
So you guys know about my favorite weekend. It's our
Santa Barbara murdering O meetup weekend in Santa Barbara. Yeah,
we are debuting the official logo for the weekend. It's
so fucking cool. It's going to be on merch. You
can go to My Favorite Weekend dot com to check
it out. And we have a special announcement to make
this is very exciting.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
There's going to be a contest so that you can
win two tickets for you and your lucky friend of
our choosing, of our choosing to come and be at
my favorite weekend with us.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yes, And there's going to be live shows. We're doing
live shows. Murder Squads doing live shows. Per Cast is
doing live shows. All of your friends from the Exactly
Right network are going to be there.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
To be announced ones too that are really exciting, that's.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Right, and secret guests that are going to be very exciting.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, there's going to be like all kinds of little
fun things going on around Santa Barbara. They're gonna hate us.
By the time we're done.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
We're going to be embroidering itta baga dicks all over
Santa Barbara. The weekend of November first.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
We're going to be We're going to be yarning little
sweaters to put on on traffic meters.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Let's say, eat a bag of dicks.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's going to be a cute little project.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I'd actually like if someone would embroider a picture of
the woman sitting on her airplane seat, embroidering itabaga. Why
not let's go meta, Let's go to the inception please
of dis Okay, guess what what?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
So you know, okay, so Santa Barbara from November eleventh
to through the third, No, first.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Through the third, eleventh to the third would be backwards time,
that's right, which could.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Be the new podcast. Do we agree everything? Fine? Okay,
you do it well.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So we know that that kind of a weekend isn't
within everyone's purview of being able to afford or wouldn't
immediately buy because you know, it's twenty nineteen. We all
know what's going down, and that's why we are giving
away to one lucky murder. Reno and their luckiest friend
of our choosing, of our choosing, we get to pick

(05:48):
your friend. It's a contest where we're giving away tickets
to come and spend my favorite weekend with us. Yeah,
travels not included. You have to get yourself to and
from Santa Barbara. But once you get there, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Stay on our couch in our hotel room too. I'm
not mine. Okay, Well it comes to Georgia.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
How about we give you a two night's day at
the Hilton Santa Barbara Beachfront Resort instead.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
How about admission to the Arlington Theater on November first
for our miniso taping and on the second for our
full episode taping with special guests and open.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Two level two reserves. I don't know if that means seats? Yeah,
two good seats, really good seat seats.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
How about an invitation to the open opening night cocktail
reception that includes orders my favorite thing and beverages my
other favorite thing, and an appearance by Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
What you ad mission of the percast taping and at
the Arlington exclusive official my favorite meek It weekend merch
And of course we're.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Going to be doing a meet and greet, and you're
going to get as signed poster and you get to
be at the meet and greet. It's really a kind
of comprehensive contest because we want somebody that maybe couldn't
go otherwise to be there with us, because we're not elitist.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, and want you to come. We want you to
win a contest. Are you feeling lucky punk?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Come and try to win this. We would love to
see you there. We're so excited for this weekend. We
really think it's going to turn out to be really fun.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Go to my favorite weekend dot com for all the information,
or and then go to the news site on our
on our regular website, my favorite murder dot com, there's.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
A news and it'll show you how to do that, how.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
To enter this contest. Yes, yeah, what more exciting business
do we have?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, I don't want to say it because I
wanted to save it for my fucking horay. But it's
at the top. It's just staring at me at the
top of my paper.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay, it says count Shocula season. Is that true? It's
count schocular season, and that's my fucking array. I'm going
to say. I have to think of a new one.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Now they bring it back for Halloween. They bring remember Booberry?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yoh yeah, what's the other one? Frank and Berry?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Frank and Berry. Steven's got to know this.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
He's a millennial Stephen Berry, count Chocula Booberry. Okay, those
two are gross. But I didn't know how good this
fucking count Chocula situation was until my stoner has.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
There's some down for you.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah see, I was always a Booberry fan. What I
don't like chocolate in my cereal?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Ferry flavored cereal?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, girl, Oh my gosh, start with tricks, you move
up to lucky charm. Never did? Oh lucky berries are good?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Kind of fruity, is it? Yeah? Okay, Freddy pebbles now
you hate ew? You like coca pebbles?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
You?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I got them all correct, al right, except there was
one that they discontinued in seventy four called fruit Brute,
and it was a werewolf.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Oh poor werewolf? What happened before even my time? Fruit Brute?
Fruit Brute?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Oh wait?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
And there's also fruity Yummy Mummy, which was discontinued in
eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
No, I don't remember that, can I see that mummy.
I want Yummy Mummy back.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I really love mummies. I think they're the funniest part
of Halloween.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
We gotta we gotta start a campaign to bring Yummy
Mummy back. Yummy Mummy, baby. Look at that. Actually it's
kind of familiar. Oh yeah, maybe they redid it and
you know, yeah whatever, fruity yummy mummy.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Oh well, if we're going to talk about this, which
I like that, we are, and could talk about all
all cereals forever, because I do have a problem with
corn pops. I can't I can't buy them because I
will eat the entire box. I just keep doing the
balance of a little more milk, a little more cereal. Yeah,
until it's three days later and I've gained twenty pounds.

(09:26):
But Stephen pulled a prank on all of us.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
What did you hear about this? No, so on the
you want to talk about it?

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, it was when you did that amazing read of
the Haunted House, like let's play a game. I basically
just like clipped that part out and put it back
at the end of the.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Minisod, very end of the minisode. So it's Georgia talking.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, Okay, there's game, there's like yeah, that is basically
a hidden track at the end of the minisode, and
everybody thinks it's me on Twitter because I've gotten oh,
I don't know, twenty five tweets with people describing where
they were what happened, and of course the more thing.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Happened later when it's like quiet, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
At the end after Elvis gets his cookie. Oh that's
anothing I want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, So it's basically like no one's expecting it, and
suddenly you come in whispering let's play a.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Game, Stephen and Marie Ray.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
So everyone's going I'm driving my car and I blive blah.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Book thanks so much, Karen, and I'm like, oh, hilarious.
You know what's going on right now? It's hilarious and.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I but Stephen, I love the spirit of it. Let's
start doing stuff like that for Halloween. We're all about it.
You just have to tell us what's happening on our
own shop.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
No, don't tell us people.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I want other people to be like, you know, what
just happened on your show?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
You just c I just crashed my car because of
what you did. Then you don't know you did it?
I like that.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
I like that other people have to tell us and
it's like, guess what it is.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It was really funny because the first tweet I read,
the guy seemed mad, and of course it's Twitter, so
I'm always expecting people to be mad, and you know what,
I'm just here to tell you. We were like okay,
and then as I read it, I'm like okay, and
they're like, thanks for that hidden track. I spilled coffee
all over myself and blow blah whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know what any of
this is.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
I'm like, maybe he's got the wrong podcast.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Well, I was on the tweet. I was on the
thread that you guys were writing, and you were like, Steven,
did you put something in the end of the Like Stephen,
there's a hidden track? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
He's like, oh, yeah, I did, sorry, and you go, no,
I love it. Can you just tell me next time?
It's hilarious. I thought you were mad at him it first, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
But I was like, I'll let me be in on
the joke.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I mean, I don't want to be in on it.
I don't want to know.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Stephen, but I'll text Karen.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yes exactly, just get the clearance, because you know, who
knows the one day that you're like, you know, it'd
be great if I snuck up as behind someone with
a knife in my hand.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'm like, Stephen, no, let me be there to tell you.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
No, it's a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Hilarious, it's great speaking of this really kicked off squad
word season, really nice squadwards season.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Did you see that's I need to get them credit.
Someone who works at Trader Joe's who are all our friends,
put up a squad goard what's it called sign and.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Like one of their chalkboard things. Yes, and because gords
are on sale?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Can you say it? Who it is?

Speaker 4 (12:11):
It's Molly k Baales. She posted a photo of it's
the squad goards above the pumpkins and squashes.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
It's like one of.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Those circular squash wriskplays and it says squad guards and
we love you, Molly ka Bails, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Trader Joe's is like family to us. That's so exciting.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I mean for real, because Stephen just rando Trader Joe's
before we started taping. I have a Trader Joe's bean
and she's burrito balancing me.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Out right. Now, what kind did you get?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I got the Italian rap?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Gross.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
We had a moment.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
We had a whole moment because I was like Steem's like,
do you want anything from Trader Joe's, And then I
immediately in my mind start shopping through that appetizer section
that I've like lived off of sometimes and I'm like, no, just.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Get me up burrito. Let's just be that's all you need,
reasonable about it. Let's balance it out. Let's balance some
things out, but still be and cheese buruto. I can't.
I can't spit that. You really can't. You shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
That's gross.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Don't spit at it. Don't. No, no, I won't. But
I do like to spit all my food before I
eat it. Is claiming it? Who tenderizes it? You gotta
get those enzymes. Yeah, mush up your food and chew
every bite forty times.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Okay, speaking of food and Elvis, I wanted to make
it clear because I've actually had a couple of questions
about this on Instagram. So every single week at when
Elvis met outs at the end of the show, it's
brand new. We don't read even though we're not like
recording in our house to eat my house anymore?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Our house? Are we living together?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I like to think of it as my house.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Fit it is? I get a new Elvis. Steven text
me at like ten pm. It's like, can I get
an Elvis? And I'm like yeah, And then I wait
for hours and he's like, hey, start a bug, you
can I get an Elvis? I'm like, yes, yes, yes,
so that's a new elvist every time. I just want
everyone to know you're not being sucking cheated. I would
never do such a thing.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Uh so sorry.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
People were like inquiring, like, is that the same Elvis
as last week?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I like, or I miss Elvis? Is k new me
how every week? But it is new every week?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Like literally maybe there was one week where I was off.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Oh I see.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So people are assuming because we're not in your house,
that they're being served up some old Elvis.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
No, And I just want to go ahead and sell
the record straight right now about my cat really quick
corrections corner. And I'm so disappointed, and I'm so sorry
to tell everyone this. It's not Sprinkers and there's no
exclamation mark in it either. It's actually Sprakers New York Sprakers,
New York.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
So I just threw an n in there and had
the time of my life.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
So, yeah, something took place in sprinkers. Yeah yeah, sprankers. Well,
our heart belongs in sprinkers.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I mean yeah, if you're not named sprankers, you've made
a mistake. Yeah, and let's let's get out there on
that town sign and spray pane and end.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's become mayor of that town.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Change the fucking name, but an exclamation mark at the
end of it.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Did you get a like direct message of about how
you did that wrong?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
I think a couple of comments, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
which is fine. Yeah, I like sprankers better.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I love sprinkers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I don't think anyone listens in spreakers. Yeah they don't care.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah, but you know where they do listen is in
the sprained ankle capital sprankers, and I relate.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Am there, I love it. I am the mayor already. Okay, yeah, succession,
we're both catching up.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
There's great Colin culkin fucking that you're missing out on
Kieran colkink Kieren. What did I say, Colin culkink right,
I mean that's the fifth brother there's a storyline that
it's perverted, and I fucking love it so much, gleeful
about it.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Okay, I love him. I love him as a performer.
I love that character on that show so good.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
He's very dynamic and fun to watch. Oh my god,
and I he that's the kind of person I want
to be in a room with all the time. Yeah,
he's a shit that will say things to your face.
I think I'm like the episod before. Okay, my problem
is I bought that weighted blanket. Yes, because I bought
Georgia a waited blanket.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
For her birthday. And then of course I was like,
well then I should have one too.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
If George's gonna get one, you're like, my big sister,
I're just gonna get one.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Then I wanted to it literally literally, I have a
lot of issues left over from being five. But I
also was like, I've always loved that moment at the
dentist where they put it on you. They put the
lead blanket on you to take your X rays, and
so when I was getting it for you, I was like,
I was like, oh, this will make her feel good
and if she has anxiety or whatever, And I'm like.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I have all that shit. Yeah a minute, I need
it too.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
She's not special, but yeah, exactly, I have it too.
I'm sick too, mom, But I put that thing on.
I start watching TV, and eleven minutes into any show,
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Like a light. It's crazy. I really like it. I
have Okay, I'm going to save that for my something
around that, for my my.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Real i'd yes, okay. Well, the problem is that last night, yesterday,
I spent all day working on my murder. I almost
finished the whole story that got into bed at like
eleven thirty, went to like, read it, think you read
it for this heads up, I've done it before.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
It turns out. I went to like I put in
tent Girl Reddit to get some more information. That was
early days.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
That was episode thirty one. That was the Lulu Lemon murder.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
That you did. Yeah, yeah, episode thirty one, so and
it was everything that I even like.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
The Dough Network it was about that too, which I
was like, I'm going to add that into the story.
It's going to be great. And I fucking did tent Girl,
and the Dough Network was wrong with me. As she
SIPs a fucking can of white wine, you.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Know, what it is before you pick the story you
want to do, Like you sit there and kind of
go what interests me right now? What would be compelling
for me to sit here and write about and read
about for a full day. So it makes sense because
if you've already liked it, you still like it. I mean,
it's still the it still interests you.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
But during it, I was like, where did I read it?
I realized it was the book Skeleton Crew. But I
was like, I know, I read about this in some
book or something, and it was just turned out that
I had done all the research.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
For it, right, What the fuck? Okay, this is how
we learn and grow?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Are you first?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Tart?

Speaker 4 (18:11):
My first?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think it's you?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right?

Speaker 4 (18:13):
So yeah, from either The Prodigal Sun or The Irving Show.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, double time, double first.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I when I thought of this one this morning,
I googled the name of it and then my favorite
murder and nothing came up.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Great. So still we don't know if that means anything.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
I mean, you know what I realized, and it only
works for mine. But like I'll ask Jay, I'll be like,
I want to do this one.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
We've done it. I could just go through my own documents.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Right, and search my favorite murder of file, at least
from my own, but.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I guess so, yeah, I think some of mine are gone.
But if you go, there's a Wikipedia with all the episodes.
So I just do control F and look for it.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Oh it's not there. Oh, good to know.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
So I'm counting on you, guys, Wikipedia, like we have
for this whole Podcastkipedia and read it. Thank you, and
Wiki feet thank me most importantly. Thanks murder Pedia, murder
Pedia Feet.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Okay, bucket, I'm doing the dialog pass.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh we've never done this. Amazing, Okay, amazing diet logue.
Why do you have even a pause about this? I
don't know?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
And did you look up the pronunciation?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes, it's great diet love because I've been making it
up to pronunciation my head every time I look.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
At it until today. It was the Dialotov pass in
my mind.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yes, me too. It's not is that because we did
it already.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
We did the dial we did the dialotop pass. We
haven't in the dialogue past. So here we go, and
there's so many. The reason I'm nervous about this one
is because there's literally sixty over sixty versions of what happened, yes,
of people speculating, and so there's so many articles, there's
so much to look at. The ones I got the
most from were Wikipedia, all That's interesting, dot Com, a

(19:56):
YouTube video by someone called let Me Know It's L
E M M I N O dial Dialogue Past dot com,
which has like fucking crazy, all the photographs, all the info.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I like, but the idea that the past bought themselves
of a web page. They're like, you know what, I've
got a lot of heat and I should.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Be the one that's getting the attention.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
I have something to say about my past, and no
I don't want dot net, I want dot com. And
then I took a little walk and listen to the
Stuff you Should Know podcast about it.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
So hi, chuck, Hi. Check.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
All right, here's the basics, the facts that we do know. Okay.
In January nineteen fifty nine, a group consisting of two
women and eight men. They're from the USSR. They form
a hiking and skiing expedition to reach the peak of
or or to Ton Mountain. I'm going to get every
fucking name and place wrong on this everyone.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I mean it is Russia.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, so yes, my family's from there, but no, look
they're not. They left there and they didn't speak it anyways.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
They didn't bring any pronunciation books with them. Also, there's
the Soviet Union, Russia, the uss are, there's all the versions.
We understand historians are going to be offended if you
say the wrong version.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
That's right. I've actually been to Russia. That's right. I'll
add that in. I'll sprinkle it in during your story.
I wish you would do you have though? I do?
Da da da.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So it's the O Turton. It's a mountain in the
Northern Urals and the Soviet Union. So out of the
ten people who were going to go on this fucking expedition,
nine of them wouldn't survive. Oh someone survived, well, oh
here we go, okay. The leader of the group was
named Igor diet Love, so that's why they named past.

(21:40):
It's his past got it after this incident.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Obviously. He's twenty three years old.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
He's a really really brilliant radio engineering student at the
Ural Polytechnical Institute. He's supposed to be like well liked.
Everyone wants to go on his hikes, like he is
the dude like pick me, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like, oh my god, I love Igor, Yeah, Igor, I
go on. Yeah, there's little glasses.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
And there's a shit ton of photographs from this. Everyone
was taking pictures and it's not and it's like nineteen
fifty nine, but these are like good photos and it's
these young kids that are having this adventure and they're
having so much fun.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
And you can see him there and yeah, he's cute,
beautiful Russians, beautiful rush cheek boat. That's right.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
The most of the other hikers were fellow students at
the university with him. Everyone in the group was an
experienced hiker and hiker. And also, like, they're doing cross
country skiing, so I'm just calling them hikers because they're
going up a mountain.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
But they're snow involved.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yes. Oh, it's like fucking middle of winter, snowy mountains.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I'd be like, Igor, listen, I like your idea, yeah,
and I like your spirit. Yeah, let's save it for
June exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
It's beautiful in June. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
They're all experienced with ski tour experience as well, and
upon completing this trip, they are so good that they
would be receiving a cert certificate that awarded them the
highest like level of skier, hiker person am no, but
like a sign certificate that's like, yes, you can go
to these you know what I mean, Like, oh, like

(23:05):
you and I and we're like I want to go
to this mountain, we'd have to have this certificate showing
that we've actually gotten off her No.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, stay away exactly. So like it's like black Diamond
skiing of hiking.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes, it's like gold star, gold Star got it. Okay,
so they knew what they were doing. The route that
they're taking to reach the peak was estimated as a
category three. Like that's how fucking hard it is, which
is the most difficult. Oh and that's especially at the
time of year because it was all snowy and shit,
it's January, it's about to be February.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Cut to me on a category one wheezing and going
back to my car. Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah. Well, so the group of ten headed off on
their trek on January twenty seventh, but one day into
their trip, one of the members.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
They had like just got into these cabins. They had
to take like a train and a fucking cart and
a fucking horse and all this.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Shit to get like a may stay a night at
this these cabins.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Two mules carrying eight people. That's right.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
So the one of the members, the guy who survives,
Yuri Youdon, he is like, oh shucks, everyone, I have
this crazy, mean joint pain. I think he had arthritis,
so I can't continue to hike. I'm staying behind. So
that's why he survived.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Oh so he wasn't technically really in the group exactly
went down, So he's the you and me of this group.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
They were like, yeah, it's warm in here, guys, we
got to keep this fire stoke. Yeah, I'm going. That'll
be my job. That's my job.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I'll see you guys, and I'm in. But there remaining
group of nine continued on to the trek. So from
here and they also kept really great diaries as well
as the photographs, So the photos.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And diaries are the that are later found.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Are all there is that can track the group's root,
so they can use these to track them. On January thirty, first,
the group arrived at the edge of a highland area.
Then they began to prepare for climbing, and they left
behind some surplus food and equipment, so like for when
they come back down. The following day, February first, they
start to move through the pass, and it seems like

(24:59):
they were planning to get over the pass and make
camp like near the summit the next night on the
opposite side, but they are there's a snowstorm and there's
decreased visibility, and it looks like they accidentally went west
when they were expecting to go north, so they got stuck.
They realized they were way behind, and so they were

(25:19):
already on this crazy slope, and so when they got there,
they decided for some reason to set up camp there
rather than move almost a mile downhill too. There's just
like forested area and it's not heavy, but there's trees
and shit, so they can kind of get some shelter,
but it's a mile away. So they probably didn't want
to backtrack, and they probably didn't want to go downhill.

(25:40):
And then also it's possible that they wanted to like
have the experience of sleeping on a slope as well
and like get all those brownie points.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Or whatever the fuck you know, Russian brownie points vodka points.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
This mountain is translated to dead mountain in the indigenous
language of the Nancy people of the region, So that's
fucking foreshadowing. Yeah, before they had left. Diet Lob had
said that he would send a telegram back to the
sports club that they were a part of as soon
as the group returned to that village where good Old
Jury had stayed behind, starring the soup. Yeah, but they

(26:17):
were supposed to be back no later than February twelfth,
but it was possible it was.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Going to take longer. So no one really worried when.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
The twelfth passed and there was no messages and no
one back home freaked out. But by the twentieth the
families of the hikers were like, what's fucking going on?
This isn't good.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I hate that old fashioned time issue.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, where there's no direct way to communicate, and it's like,
you know, if you're somewhere, people won't realize.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Things for weeks and weeks. That in any story that
fills me with things oety a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, because it's like it's not just like they had
to go make a phone call to find them. It's
like if you have to wait and wait and if
you can't find them, you have to go fucking hike
up that hill and look for them. It's a big
trek for these like hardcore hikers so their families are
freaking out. They probably can't go looking for them, so
they talk the head of the institute into sending out
some volunteer students and teachers to search for the hikers.

(27:13):
They do that, and there's photographs of all of this too.
When they reach the camp, they volunteers found the campsite
on February twenty sixth, so at this point they had
last written in their diary on the first, I believe,
so it's February twenty six at this point, they get
to the camp and they're like, something is very wrong.
They found the groups abandoned and badly damaged tent covered

(27:35):
in a thin coat of snow, but the hikers, belongings
and equipments are all still at the campsite.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
They're orderly.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That doesn't seem like anything had happen. The hikers have
just left them there, and there are nine sets of
footprints walking away from the campsite, and so everyone is
screaming right now. It doesn't know this it's an avalanche.
But all of they put their skis in a circle
around the tent and they're all still standing up exactly
the way they left them. Yeah, so I don't know, I.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Feel like an avalanche would be pretty clearly easy to identify.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, because it's all the snow creed down. I feel
like you wouldn't even find the tent, right Who knows.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
We'll get to theories, Okay. One of the students who
found the campsite said that quote. The tent was half
torn down and covered with snow. It was empty, and
all the group's belongings and shoes had been left behind.
And the weirdest of all is that the tent had
been sliced open with a knife from the inside. I
had a couple cuts on it, and the searchers were like,
what the fuck, So at the side of the fucked

(28:37):
up tent.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
And it was sliced open right next to the zipper
when the viipper was broken. Oh wait, this whole thing
because of his broken zipper, the.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Side of the fucked up tents. And there's so much information.
So once this happened, of course it's the Soviet Union.
They put this into secret fucking files and don't let
it come out to the nineties. So a lot of
this is speculation. Maybe some of the facts aren't even right.
That we know of eight or nine sets of footprints
are found leaving the tent, and they look like the footprints,

(29:07):
and they can tell that whoever left are only wearing
socks or a single shoe or barefoot, and by the footprints,
it looks like they're walking away, not running.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
And to me this is the most fucked up part,
where like there's like a couple things in it that
any theory you go with these little pieces don't fit,
and them walking away doesn't fit to me.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
No, you know, yeah, I mean in your socks in
the snow, with no other footprints. So it's not you
can't say someone like attack them. Yeah, it's just like
you went to have a wander, yeah, for no reason
without your shoes, Yeah, in the snow.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
No. So the searchers followed the footprints and it led
back down towards that foresty area that they hadn't want
hadn't wanted to go to. It's the woods nearby and
almost a mile to the north east and at the
forest edge, under a large cedar tree, the searchers found
the remains of a small fire, and there they also

(30:07):
found the first of the two bodies, Yuri krivan Nischenko,
Cravan Mishchenko, thank You, who's twenty three, and another Yuri Doroshenko,
twenty one. They're both shoeless and dressed only in like
their undergarments, and you can see fucking photos of this
online and the temperatures are under like would have been

(30:30):
under twenty five or below thirty on the night of
their death, So why did they walk out in their
fucking underwear? Right, there's branches on a nearby tree that
are broken all the way up to about sixteen feet high,
so suggesting maybe that one of the hikers had climbed
up to look around and see where things had, you know,
where his fucking people were or whatever, or we're trying

(30:51):
to hide from someone up there on the tree. Yeah,
that's creepy, right, yes, okay, So between the forest and
the camp they find three more bodies, so it looked
like that they were trying to walk back towards the
camp away from the forest. Those bodies were that of
Dialogue Zeneta Kolmogorva, who's twenty four, and arrest them slowed

(31:15):
On who was twenty three, and so they had fallen
in such a way that seemed that they were walking
back towards the camp, so like forwards the camp, and
they had a little bit more clothes on than the
other two, but not much and definitely not enough to
be on the cold. And this was a mile away
from the tent, so like it wasn't like they were
running to take a piss, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, that's far.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah. So, while the circumstances were weird, the cause of
death was for all five hikers had been hypothermia, So
it wasn't that odd but not. They didn't know why
they walked out of their tent. The body showed no
indication of severe damage and it was just hypothermia. And
then it isn't until the other four bodies are found

(31:57):
two months later that the story gets even weirder.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm sorry, but I love this.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
When I first found the story, I almost cried from like,
this is the kind of thing I want to read
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
It also feels like the kind of thing that whether
it's American hidden top secret files or Russian or any
other country. Yeah, like there must be a million stories
like this that we just don't know about. That it's
like X file stuff where they show up and go, Okay,
lock this whole thing down.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
We're not talking about this.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Whether it's military or fucking aliens or some kind of
you know anything.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
The YETI the Yetti. I will hold onto and argue
with you this entire repids. I have it at the
very end, so we can start fighting.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Okay, because barely I barely talk about it. I'm sorry,
So you'll have to tell everyone the details.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Oh, become a Yetti truth right at the end. Oh,
my shirts, for sure? I mean, yeah, there's true. I'm
just saying, sixteen feet up in a tree, how are
you up there? May Yetti's shoulders.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Make Yetti gray again? Okay, so the fore, But the
rest of the bodies are found. They are finally found
on May fourth, so this is the beginning of February.
They had gone missing and they're found May fourth, under
thirteen feet of snow in a ravine almost two hundred
and fifty feet further into the woods from where the
others were found. So it's almost like these two guys
were like, we're staying put here in a light a

(33:20):
fire and climb a tree. For some fucking reason, these
three were like we're going to walk back to the tent,
and these other four were like, we're going deeper to
the forest, So.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Like, why did they split up?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I mean just off the top more scared goes further
into the forest. Yeah, the other brave ones are like,
you know what, this is fine, let's go get our shoes.
Then they leave the people that are still.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Near the fire hear something and go up into the
tree to see what happened.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
And then how do they die?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah tea, okay, But.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But I wonder if, like for mountain climbers and for
hikers and shits splitting up as a no no, like
you know, yeah, but so is walking in the snow
with no shoes.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
They are enough, right, Yeah, it seems like did they
get dosed with acid? Was there some Okay, I will
do it.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
No, No, let's talk because there is a theory and
I didn't really talk about it much that the local tribe,
the indigenous tribe do have the mushrooms that they like
to fuck around with, and one of the things that
they do is hang them from like socks from a tree.
Oh so did they fucking climb a tree and eat
those mushrooms and go absolutely apesient and cut themselves out

(34:26):
of the fucking tent?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, because like they are college students, so they could
be there.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
To party, but they're like engineer students.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Do you know, engineers party the hardest. They'll like make
a radio that drugs you.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Actually, that's an okay, we're not doing yes, radio waves, okay, okay, okay.
The three of that three of them had more clothes
on than the other hikers, including some of the clothing
that belonged to their dead friends, meaning that possibly they
died first and they took their clothes from them, and
so they knew their friends were fucking dead. How horrible

(35:03):
is that. Let's go deeper into the forest.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And getting away from that area.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
That's right, So their body there were more questions once
their bodies were examined. Three of the hikers had fatal injuries,
including Nikolai Theoba brig Ganalis. Sorry nikola I apologized. He
was twenty three. He'd suffered significant skull damage that had
led to his death. So he had been hit in

(35:30):
the head with something. Ludmila Dubinana, who was twenty, and
Semyon Zola Tariov, who was thirty eight. Not bad, right,
I know, pretty good day, my best.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, it was thirty eight.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
They had major chess fractures and the weird thing about
these these wounds that they had is there was no
surface wounds.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So it's not like someone took a hatchet or whatever.
It's like compression from Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And it was said that they could only be caused
by an immense force comparable to that of a car
crash or bigfoot or yeah, or like you know, I
wonder if like if you if you butted someone with
a gun, that probably tear skin.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Right, I mean, I don't know, they'd be bruising.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
But Steven, stand up, it's even climb the trail. So
we're sending Stephen. This is the other contest where one
lucky listener is going with Stephen to the top of
the dialet Diet Love Pass to work some theories out. So, yeah,
so it's comparable to that of a car accident, so

(36:34):
it's like blunt force trauma.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, son, now out in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, they're in a ravine, so it's possible they fell,
but no one wants to believe that.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
The most gruesome part of the Diet Love Pass incident
is for poor de Benina. She's missing her tongue, her eyes,
part of her lips, as well as facial tissue and
a fragment of her skull bone, and she had extended
skin maceration on her hands. So yeah, go ahead, defensive woond.

(37:06):
I don't know, nobody knows. It's like most people think
that an animal, a scavenger came and took those things,
But why didn't they take them from the other people too?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
And also why didn't they take other because usually scavengers
take soft tissue, right, all those things, but more, Yeah,
they don't stop it just a couple things.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
There's also possibility that she was in the They had
fallen into the ravine and she was in.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
The water, and so the water washed that away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Possibly, I want to believe the weird ship. But there's
like explanations on either side for all of them, and
I don't want to ignore them.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Right, but yetti, But yet and yet.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
They also found the body of Alexander Colvitav who was
twenty four in the same location, but he didn't have
the CDEO trauma. So and actually, none of the bodies
aside from Binana, had any external wounds associated with bone fractures,
as if they had been subjected to a high level
pressure instead of violent attack.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
H So that's weird.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It could be described with falling, But I like this
other theory that I'll get to. Okay, there was initial speculation.
Originally they were like, maybe the Manci people had gotten
pissed that they were on their land and attacked them.
But you know, people hiked and camped there all the time,
and the Manci people were not. They were peaceful, so
that was discounted. In fact, all attack by humans was

(38:28):
ruled out because the hiker's footprints were the only ones
that were there, right.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
In the end, it was reported that six of the
group members died of hypothermia and three of fatal injuries.
The victims had died six to eight hours after their
last meal, so they were probably sleeping in the middle
of the night, and at the time, the verdict was
that the group members had all died because of and
this is what they ended it with, compelling natural force.

(38:55):
That's what they called it. What's that, Let's close the
fucking files.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Go I compelling natural force like a hurricane?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, that's I mean, yeah, what is or avalanche? I
think that's what they're insinuating.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
I see.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So the inquest was closed in May of nineteen fifty nine,
like right when, like when they found the four others
and the files were sent to a secret archive where
night night, I don't and the USSR good luck finding them,
and what else is in there? Oh my god, can
you imagine? But like the thing about that is it's like, oh,

(39:31):
it sounds so soon as he and spooky. But like
it was the Soviet Union, no files were allowed to
be out, so it was until the nineties that they
got the files out.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, so the theories.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Exclamation mark I wrote avalanche. Obviously, an avalanche is the
first explanation that would pop into my head and I
want to fucking believe that because I love it being like, no,
but it's not what you think it is. It's just
simple thing. Yeah, perhaps they thought they heard one coming
or thought they heard one coming and cut themselves out
of the tent and headed as they were out to
the tree line. But then why would they be walking

(40:05):
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yes, not running, I guess.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
And also why would you cut yourself out of a tent?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Right if you're walking somewhere, and if you have the
calmness to walk somewhere, and why would you think See
this is why lack.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Of calm of cutting yourself out right zip able tent. See.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
To me, it's like, if they're wrong about the footprints
and someone just misread that, then that explains a lot
of shit, and it could be more likely to be
any of these things.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
But also, and this could just and probably as peer
ignorance on my part. How are we talking about the
detail of footprints during or after or within an avalanche? Right,
because wouldn't that all be wiped away?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Well, maybe the avalanche had already happened and then they
cut themselves out and got out to collapse.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It's yeah, okay, but that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yes, but all the skis and you could see in
a photo are standing straight up exactly where they're replaced.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
The strong, super strong skis, the strongest skis Russian.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Skis, that's right, Rush skis, Oh no, Siberian mashes roskies.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
The other thing about the cut that I like the
cut of in the tent is that maybe they thought
someone was watching them and so they didn't want to
unzip their fucking tent and be like, yo, why are
you watching us? Okay, and instead they like cut a
hole to be like peeky boo.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Was was the cut hole on the opposite side of
the entrance.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I don't know it was on this it was like
on the side of the tent at least. And you
can see photos of the tent okay on the website. Yeah,
if you just go to dial Dialogue Past dot com
you can see all those photos. But there are a
few points of evidence that contradict the avalanche theory. The
location had no signs of any avalanche having taken place,

(41:46):
and an avalanche would have left certain patterns of debris
distributed all over the plast they're not there and would
have caused more serious injuries and different injuries on the bodies. Then,
over one hundred expeditions to the region have been there since,
and they've been there before, and none of them ever
reported conditions that would create an avalanche, especially in February,
like maybe later when the snow's melting and shit, but

(42:08):
not in February.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Okay, Well, so they were.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
All experienced skiers and experienced hikers and experienced in this
type of terrain, so it's really unlikely that they would
have set up a camp.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
You know, they would have.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Known about avalanche things risk, thank you sure, so blah,
And then the footprints of course, Okay, so I'm not
feeling the avalanche. I don't know either. It's the most
obvious one, and that's like the simple one.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
It answers the compression injuries, which are the scariest because
they're the most mysterious. Yeah, so it's like going, here's
this clear natural occurrence, right, so you've got your scientists,
they're like, it's clearely this.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
But then especially when only four of the bodies have
that injury, like, that's weird too that that's nine of
them and they all kind of had different issues. The
next one is the catabatic catb wind, all right, Okay.
In twenty nineteen, a Swedish Russian expedition was made to
the site and the investigators proposed that a violent catabatic

(43:11):
wind is the explanation. The winds are a rare wind
rush that rushes down elevated slopes at hurricane speeds and
can be extremely violent and was implicated in a similar
case in Sweden where eight hikers died in nineteen seventy
eight after the aftermath of this kind of wind. And
the topography of these locations are similar to that expedition,

(43:34):
so it's like these hurricane like winds that fucking sweep
down the mountain.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Isn't that just the Lord? Isn't everything just the Lord?
Isn't everything at the end of the.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Day, Helleluah tambourine time. I mean, god, it's just like,
but what other place. I would just like to read
other things about that thing happening to other people one
other time, because.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Right, but it did kill people, and it would explain, okay,
would explained why they had to get out of the
tent and couldn't unzip it and had to and then
also walking slowly they're walking against the wind. Oh right, yeah,
I just thought of that. Yeah, oh that is good
and I'm fucking smart.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Also, when there's later stuck in a box, what if
this is death by mine? Sorry, very disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
This whole thing, though, is tensing me up real good,
really good, because it feels like they went out into
an area that they thought they knew to do the
thing they knew, and then something X Files style.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Happened to them, and it's just like so it's like
these photos of them going on like the beginning of
a hike, thro these like they're having fun, they're posing,
they're all adorable, like young people who are you know,
stirring their lives out and just doing this this fun adventure. Yeah,
and then like you look at these photos of course,
which is what I always do, and be like you're
gonna die. It's so sad and in a weird and

(44:54):
my serious way, and everyone's going to talk about you
for the next fucking how many years?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Is that quite some time?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Years?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And the other weird thing was there was a flashlight
left turned on on top of the tent. So maybe
they left it there so that they could find their
way back when they needed to. Then maybe that's why
he climbed that tree to look for the flash light.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
The light maybe direction will see it.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
But blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Okay, the next one is infrasound. I like this one. Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So this is popularized by Donnie Iker's twenty thirteen book
about this, called the Dead Mountain. It's called Dead Mountain,
and that is the wind going around. There's a wind
that's called Caraman Vortex Street. Don't ask me any street
is in Avenue, yes, okay. So it's a repeating pattern
of swirling war to seize yeah, great word, Yeah, caused

(45:49):
by a process known as vortex shedding. So it's basically
this little I think the last podcast on the Left
called it tiny tornadoes. Okay, it's this rare weather phenomen
on that can produce infrasound, which is vibrations in the
air which are too low for humans to hear, but
they're capable of inducing panic attacks and human So think

(46:09):
of when you get really close to like a box
fan and it's like hear it all weird. It's like that,
but times but the Lord did it. Okay, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
It's coming from every direction that's right, and it's whipping
up your Yeah, like there's something in their central nervous
system freaks the fuck out and.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You have these panic attacks and freak out. Yeah, so
that's why you would get out and run.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Or walk.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yeah, it's something bad's about to happen. You've got to
go right.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
So Donnie Iiker claims that because of their panic, the
hikers left their tent by whatever means necessary, cutting open
and fled down the slope. But by the time they
were further down the hill, they would have been out
of the infrasound's path. They would have regained their composure
and they would have tried to go back, but the
darkness wouldn't have let allowed them to. So the traumatic

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injuries suffered by the three victims that were the other
victims in the ravine was the result, he says, of
them stumbling over the ledge of the ravine in the
darkness and landing on the rocks at the bottom. Wouldn't
that cause like a lot of cuts and shit? I
guess one of them you would.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Think, yeah, yeah, who knows, that's awful.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So basically a thing that no one's really familiar with happens,
this natural phenomenon that makes everyone just freak out and run.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, and then or walk because it has to be walk.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Oh right, I know.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Troubling Okay, Okay. The other one is military tests and
I wrote it.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Goes all the way at the top of the USSR.
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay. So there's another hiking group camping about thirty miles
from the diet lag of team on the same night
as the incident. The group said that at night they
saw strange orange orbs floating in the sky in the area, okay,
and some suggest could have been a distant explosion. Okay.
So there's like a lot of different facets to this.
It's possible that the diet Lag team accidentally stumbled into

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a USSR testing ground where a concussive weapon or perhaps
a parachute mine exercise was taking place. And so I
read all about parachute mines in World War Two. They
were these mines that instead of dropping to the ground
and exploding and therefore the buildings around it would have
cushioned the explosion, they exploded in the air so they

(48:21):
could take over the fuck they could take a better
chunk of the shit out.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Oh yeah, or it's really terrible. Also the well, I.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Saw a special on I think the news or say
like Nightline or something about those concussive sound guns that
stopped people in their trucks because it's like you can't.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
The force of yes, force of the sound way, force
of the sound controls people. I think that's insane. Yeah,
and that's super real. That's like that was the thing
of like how to control crowds.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, and we're talking about during the Cold War, and
these are fucking weaponized things that people are making.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
They like to test yea that they're doing and yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
So this theory alleges that the hikers were woken by
a loud explosion and ran out of their tent in
a panic without shoes or clothing or anything like that,
and then some members froze to death attempting to run
from it or walk from it, and others uh others
were then injured fatally by the subsequent parachute mine concussion.

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So that's how those people got those those you know,
deep wounds.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
And it would make sense the walking in that one,
because if it's the sound one, you can't it's that's
it stops you from like being able to your senses,
get scrammled.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Moving and walking as hard. You're yeah, exactly. I think
it's that one. I think it's something like that some
military testing.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Which is why they wanted to keep it secret so
bad because basically they're like, oops, we killed nine people,
right because we were testing our screwed up weird shit.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, and we don't want to get blamed for exactly.
There are records of parachute mines being tested in the
Soviet military in the area around the time the hikers
were there as well, and parachute mines can cause injuries
similar to those experienced by the hikers. Heavy internal damage
with comparably less internal trauma external trauma, so externally. Yeah,

(50:22):
and because they detonated in the air, those sightings of
the glowing orbs floating or falling from the sky makes sense. Okay.
And one of the last photos in the role of
one of the hikers doesn't make any sense, and it's
the spookiest thing you've ever seen. It just looks like
And there's a couple other ones that so oh okay.
One of the hikers who ran off with not a

(50:44):
lot of clothing on died with a camera around his neck.
So they left behind their shoes, they left behind a knife,
left behind all their shit, but he took a fucking camera.
And on that roll, they're all over exposed and you
can't really see what they are because of the damage
to the camera, but some people think that they can see.
You think that it looks like he's pointing the photo
to the sky taking photos of flashes in the sky. Oh,

(51:05):
and there's one other camera that has at the very
end some weird photo of that looks like a flash
in the sky if you.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Want to look at it like that. Okay, okay, So
that's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Isn't it. Yes, So maybe one of them walked out
and they're like, you guys, come out, you have to
see this.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
They all walk out. Then it turns out to be
this thing. Yeah right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
The person that goes out with the camera is kind
of calm because it's like, ooh, what's this and all.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Hell breaks loot exactly So, and it also is like
maybe they walked out of their tent just to look
at what it was, and then they had to take
off with the tree line, right, so that's why they
didn't have the clothes on or shoes. Yes, But also
like wouldn't they sleep in their clothes?

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Am I just?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I mean yeah, maybe it's like maybe maybe they shed them, Yeah,
who knows, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
It's or if they're all in one tent.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, and it's like nine people in a tent that's
going to create a heat that they don't need to
sleep in their clothes.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Well. Also on that note, there was a homemade stove
in the tent oh with them? Oh no, So the
YouTube video the YouTube guy that I found called let
me know, he thinks that there was a fire in
the tent. And there's actually a photo from the day
before of one of the guys who like jokingly put

(52:24):
on this burnt up jacket. So maybe there had been
a fire in the tent previously from the stove, yeah,
and then it caught on fire again or some of
the some of them had burn marks on them as well.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
Well.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Because also if it's like a kerosene stove, they could
have been maybe gassed a little bit, right, like gotten
high off of some weird.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Jersene leak or some harbon monoxide poison.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I guess something that would do that to you. I
don't know if they're stove.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Also, the two words together, homemade stove don't exactly make
me feel great.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Fucking in a fucking canvas tent with all these people
in clothing and show space homemade stove. I want marshmallows,
get away indoors.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
No, the last photo taken is weird, So some people
also think that it's a UFO, like it looks like
a like a glowing orb in the sky. And in fact,
the Nancy hunters, the local hunters, had drawn pictures of
flying spheres, you know, around their fucking had drawn pictures
of flying spheres and shit. So of course these UFOs

(53:27):
could just be part of the Soviet space program or
a rocket and subsequently something happened to them, So it
doesn't have to be an alien, but I think it's aliens.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Could be.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, so there's a theory of radiological weapons and yetties,
but I don't buy it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
What's the theory?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Come on, I don't know that there's yeties. And there's
one creepy photo that looks like, okay to me who
doesn't believe in the shit, it's a guy one of
them walked off the path to pee and as far away,
and it's just his shadow looks like a fucking yetti.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah. Is it white? No, it's like all in dark clothes.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
So it almost also could look like a hunter coming after,
like like stalking them. And they got one photo of it. Oh,
Stephen has it?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Stephen Ooh, I mean that's classic bigfoot, right, it's like
a bigfoot stands.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
It looks very bigfooty. But you're right, it could also
be a.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Guy in a snowsuit. Oh, yeah, absolutely, because the picture
above is a guy in a snowsuit and it's basically
a blurry version of that picture.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But the photos themselves are just the creepiest, Like, oh no,
it adds a creepy element.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Now she's scrolling.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Sorry, no, you're right, but so horrifying. What do you think?
Do you see the last one? The sphere one? Let
me see Oh oh, vortex vortex pictures. Oh there's your sphere,
got it?

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I mean this is rabbit Hole territory. Yes, it is,
like good luck everyone, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Well, and also no, I'm looking at there's graphs of
how like avalanches work, right, and the shapes of what
things end up.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Oh my god, there are graphs.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
There are PowerPoint presentations. There are fucking one hundred thousand
videos that you can find that explain whatever that wants
to be explained.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
And in February twenty nineteen, it was announced what.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Sorry, but there's just there's a picture of one of
the native people. I'm trying to find what their name is, Nancy,
the Nancy people, and she's holding what looks like a
cartoon mushroom red cap with white dots on it, and
she's wearing a red shirt with white dots.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Dress like it. It's like a.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Symbolic thing when they go my mushroom hunting to totally yeah,
that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So they could have just like taken drugs and freaked
out in the tent and like I've freaked out on
drugs before, and I was like at my own home.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
This this it's it's like bleeding into a kind of
midsommar territory of like being just out in nature and
on drugs.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
And then what this is why we always tell you
stay at home, stay in the city, in an apartment.
There's so much good like Friday night television.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah, stay calm, and then near the phone so you
can call nine one one on yourself and go to jail.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
When you freak out on drugs.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
In February twenty nineteen, it was announced that the Russian
authorities were reopening the investigation. So this past February, Oh
my god, I know, but they're only allowing for three
possible explanations to be considered. An avalanche, a quote snow
slab avalanche, or a hurricane, which hurricane makes sense to
the possibility of a crime has been completely discounted. And

(56:35):
as I said, there's over sixty known versions and theories
of what transpired that night, but it still remains a mystery.
And that is the mysterious diet lov pass amazing. Oh
I'm like a little bit worked up right now, Oh
my god, because I feel a little sweaty.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
I know, it's like I don't like. I don't like
the idea that all those people died and nobody knows why,
and and nobody like. Because here's the thing, I feel like,
those scientific theories. It's a vordis seas. It's you know,
a hurricane. It's this tiny tornado.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Like I feel like, well, then if if you love
your scientific theory so much, prove it to be true
or not true. That's the way science works. But it's
been so many years and no one's done that.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
And the idea that the government, this government could be
hiding shit and know what happens, happened.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
It pulled.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
And then let's go all the way into my cryptozoology
area where we don't know what's in the mountains. We
don't know what's in we don't we haven't been out
there long enough or far enough. And if the native
people are like we draw pictures of these things.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
They have been out there.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
And yet it's just another name versus no gorilla, nothing
in another word for nothing left to lose?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Right's no gorilla?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That's kind of what they are. I think so no,
I think you're right on. That was great.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Next week, I'm doing a fucking easy one because what
doesn't have Russian names in it.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I mean, those pronunciations were they were tough, but I
feel like we're not on. We're not in Russia yet,
so I'm not gonna get a ton of shit.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I did the romanoms and no one gave me shit.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
So as far as I know, I feel like the
Russians aren't really like that, you know what I mean,
who like listen to podcasts, Yeah, they're.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Like people who are of Russian descent. They're like big pictures.
They're like, yeah, there's more going on in the world.
I have to calm down a little bit because I
just want to know that's what all those shows and
things and theories, and I just want to know the
truth and the answer.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Do you know. I was thinking today that like, I
kind of don't what if it's so boring.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
I mean, oftentimes it is, but I feel like in
those ones where they don't put it to bed when
it is boring and they figure it out, they just
release it.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
No one pays attention, it goes away.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
But in those ones where they don't or this, Like
I remember when I first read about this, and it
was like, this is proof that aliens came down and
zapped everybody and all this weird shit that it's like,
you know a lot of you know. Then it was like, oh, well,
then we all learn that when you have hypothermia, you
get really hot and you take your clothes off and

(59:11):
go out into the elements, and that you end up
dying because you don't actually.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Have an internal system and you mean fall down a ravine.
And that's why I think, what if they already we
already do know the answer and it's avalanche, but we
will never accept it no matter what. Everyone's going to
be like, well that it doesn't prove why they did
this or why they did that, but it's like a
fucking it's a it's an investigation report from the fucking
nineteen fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, but I feel like the point, the simple point
of all of those skis were up and around like
that would have avalanches. When I go to the dentist,
this this thing that's basically like a screen saver that
just plays and it's like all different things in nature,
and I've watched it so many times and one of
them is an avalanche and it makes me laugh every

(59:56):
time because I'm like, I don't think this should be on.
Like it's nice to watch a guy climb a huge
redwood tree.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Is it the avalanche? Where like it's behind a skier? No, like,
and I would have a panics exact. I see those
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Like, this isn't fun for anyone that you know they're
skier who dropped? They drop into it like they're like
extreme skiers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
I believe Steven's nodding inside. Yes, right, he's an extreme skier.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Watch Stephen and I are super X Games, extreme people.
I'm about to tell you the story of doctor Linda
Hazard and the STARVASI Height.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Do you know this? Yes? I started reading the book.
Oh the book is so good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, oh okay, good fucking pick well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
And here's why I was excited because I've read the
book Starvation Heights by Greg Olsen, which is one of
my main sources. And uh, when I realized that I know,
I actually have read the book and yet I haven't
done it, it was like a miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I was like a gift from God where it's like, wait,
I know this one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I love it and I hate at the same time
because I'm like it, why didn't I fucking do that? One?
I know? Good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
If you haven't read this book Starvation Heights by Greg
to gez Olsen with an E, you have to read
it because this story. I can't get into all the
details of this the experiences of the people who went
to Starvasion Heights.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
It's so nuts. It's so nuts, and it is it
has everything. This story has everything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
It's because it's she's basically a cult leader. But then
it also is like weird eating disorder issues and weird
kind of I have these problems and I'm going to
decide this will solve everything, and I'll commit to it,
even past the point where.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
It's okay, or I'm so wealthy that i have nothing
else to do with my money and time, and so
I'm going to go trust these people to fix me
for real.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
And it's old timey too, so it's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Like all the good stuff. Yeah, okay, we'll get into it.
So so read the book Starvation Heights by Greg Olsen. Also,
Jay found a great article that's from Smithsonian Magazine. It
was written by Bess Lovejoy and it's from twenty fourteen.
It's called the Doctor who Starved her patients to death.
So we'll start this is early nineteen eleven, during their

(01:02:13):
stay at the Empress Hotel in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada,
sisters Dorothea and Claire Williamson see an advertisement for doctor
Linda Hazard's self published book Fasting for the Cure of Disease,
and they're very intrigued. These sisters are wealthy British orphans
who are in their thirties, and they've inherited their father's

(01:02:34):
massive estate, and they're also some might say hypochondriacs. Dorothea
complains of swollen glands and rheumatic pains, while Claire has
been diagnosed with a dropped uterus.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Ooh, Dutch, don't look it up. It's not very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
So I wouldn't call her hypochondriac if that's really what
was happening to her. But basically, they're people who don't
feel healthy and they're looking for answers, and they've been
doing it for a while, and they'd already adopted several
for the time alternative health regimens, like not eating red
meat and not wearing corsets. So their family thought they

(01:03:16):
were crazy. Of course, it's why you have a dropped uterus. Probably, right,
I wouldn't feel good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Either, right, No, it's horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
So this this wellness trend, like you're saying, it was
very popular for the leisure class and for rich people
turn to Turn to the Century America, whether it was
taking the waters at a spa built around a natural
spring galonic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That was like a big get a moth. Oh, yeah,
that's good luck. Put this in at it, put in
a box, kill it. No, no, it's good luck. What
are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Where did you come from?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Could I use your phone?

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Well, my name is sned a moth?

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Okay, spot built a out natural spring motors or checking
into doctor Kellogg's Battle Creek Sanitoria, Yeah, where cornflakes were invented.
Rich people were very willing to spend money on getting well,
and there was no shortage of magnetic hucksters who would
claim to hold the who would claim to hold the
cure that ails them. So this was a big thing

(01:04:22):
because there was no laws set up in Turn of
the Century America.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
So you could basically be like, hey, I've just I
just put this oil together.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
And it's castor oil with some lead in it, and
that's going to cure your acne and a touch of
heroin just for fun, right, And all they had to do,
apparently was they had to trademark the shape of the
bottle so that you could tell one from the other.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
But this is why we're going mudlarking when we're in
fucking England. We're gonna find those fucking bottles.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah, and then we'll know for which where everything's from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah, because we're smart.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Yeah, and we'll look it up. But essentially this was very,
very common practice and kind of anybody who had the
gumption to be like, this will cure you. Now, some
some places do, like there you know those natural springs
where it's like there's copper in the water and now
my thatice is gone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Don't not. Eating a lot of red meat is good,
is good for you, Brand's good. Apparently cornflakes are good.
The occasional enema, not the daily. No, no, no, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
So so this was common and and it's according to
the Smithsonic cisment.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Say it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
According to the Smithsonian article, the practice of fasting experienced
a revival in the late nineteenth century because it was
from ancient times it's like, you know, old philosophers would
be like, yeah, just stop eating for a while and
it'll set you right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Oh you mean intermittent fasting.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, that's all popular today, but you know, and there's
a there's a truth to it, like clean out your system,
get rid of your toxins, detox ease up on dairy
and read meat and all the things, and you will
feel better. But there was in the late nineteenth century,
a doctor named Edward Dewey wrote a book called The

(01:06:11):
True Science of Living in which he said that, quote,
every disease that afflicks mankind develops from more or less
habitual eating and excess of the supply of gastric oh
and an excess of the supply of gastric juices. So
basically he was selling the idea that it all has
to do with that and that. So basically fasting was

(01:06:33):
the solution to everything. So doctor Linda Hazard, who had
no formal medical degree, but she somehow because there was
this weird loophole in the law in Washington State where
if you had they grandfathered in all these people that had,

(01:06:53):
so she was she had a degree as a fasting
specialist given to her by the state of Washington, and
then this loophole started where that basically meant she had
a medical degree even though she had no true formal training,
like didn't graduate from a medical school. So in nineteen
oh eight, she writes, Linda Hazard writes this book called

(01:07:15):
Fasting for the Cure of Disease, and in it she writes, quote,
Appetite is craving, Hunger is desire. Craving is never satisfied,
but desire is relieved when want is supplied, which is
also my favorite depeche Mode lyric.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Now old school jokes. That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Essentially, Linda Hazard's theory of detoxing through fasting, it isn't new,
but it very much appeals to the Williamson's sisters as
this could be the cure for because they've.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Tried tons of other stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
And also they read about the Institute of Natural Therapeutics,
which is doctor Hazard's institute, her sanatorium in Alala, Washington,
and so they believe it to be a relaxing sanctuary
in the wilderness. And so in February of nineteen eleven,
the Williamson's sisters traveled to Seattle for a consultation with

(01:08:11):
doctor Hazzard. When they arrived, Doctor Hazzard interviews the sisters
and then breaks the news to them that the institute
in Alala is still being built. So she says, you
definitely need to start this regiment. It's going to fix everything.
But you can't go to a Lala right now. So

(01:08:32):
you need to get an apartment here in Seattle and
Capitol Hill and start coming to my office and start
the treatments and then we'll eventually transfer you up to
the institute.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
In the forest. Too much money is too much money,
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
And also just the idea that they were just at
like the most beautiful hotel in British Columbia, and then
they're like, oh, let's go diet, Let's go diet in Seattle,
and then this insanely tragic, horrible thing starts happening to them,
And that is basically, oh, and this is the This

(01:09:07):
is another piece, a terrible piece of the puzzle. Dorothea
and Claire don't tell their family that they're going to
do this because the family's already really critical of their
homeopathic remedies and their unorthodox approach to their health. So
the family is already going to stop spending money on
the shit and you're being crazy, so they're like, oh,

(01:09:27):
we're just going to go do this, and they'll just
think we're.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Traveling, right, So that's like, that's a red flag that
you need to pay attention to yourself. If you don't
want to tell your friends and family about what you're
about to do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Yeah, that's a problem. But figure out somebody to tell,
because somebody needs to know where you are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
So even if you're being a super weirdo and you're like,
I decided what's going to cure me is I'm gonna
shoot up Heroin five times a day, write a note
to your best friend from junior high and just be like, hey,
can you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Keep this on the books just in case. Here's my
dealer's number. Yeah, it's important.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
So Linda Hazard puts the Williamson's sisters on her fasting program,
which consists of a cup of broth made from canned
tomatoes twice a day and hours long enema sessions in
bathtubs that are covered with canvas that hold.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Them upright in case they faint. What hours long, hours
long enemas with I think it's said thirteenth twelve to
thirteen quarts of water, like insane oh my, very unhealthy,
very bad for you. That sounds exhausting, horrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
And also then so what they're sitting in bathtubs filled
with shit and then covered like saran wrap style on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Top its shorebone. They're also given Doctor Hazard gives them
stomach massages that are so rough they're more like beatings,
and as she basically pounds on their abdomen, she yells, eliminate, eliminate, eliminate.
Oh so it's all a bit abusive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
It sounds like a what's it called when they try
to get rid of the satan inside of you?

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
What's an exorcism? Yes, it's a shit exorcism, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
And also it's the kind of thing where when someone
is like, I'm a doctor, I have the answer. We're
going to start doing this. They apparently Doctor Hazard was
very controlling and domineering, but very convincing, to the point
where there's some people who thought that she was involved
with the occult because she they thought she could like
hypnotize people into doing her program and not quitting her program.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Yeah, but I think in reality, cult leaders like they're
just good at that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, they're psychopaths.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
So it's like I think she wants for me, seems
like so passionate about and she knows what's best. What's
more comforting than the person that's like, come this way,
I have the answer. Everybody wants that those people are
lying to you. And here's how you know they're lying
to you because during the beating sessions, during the shitting sessions,

(01:12:01):
doctor Hazard would make small talk and basically got all
the information about the Williamson sisters wealth and all the
assets they held, and eventually doctor Hazard offers to store
their valuables, jewelry and property deeds in her personal stakes
in her office. Yeah, but the sisters trust doctor Hazard,

(01:12:23):
and as that process goes along, they really feel like
they're being cured. Which like in all the times that
I've done my no sugar, no flower dieting and all
the super extreme dieting, I think lots of people have
this experience. There is a what they call the pink
cloud phase where you go through it and you when
you don't have all that stuff in your system and

(01:12:44):
you are losing the weight and you're getting clean, you
do get like a weird natural high off of it.
And if the right person comes along to basically Svengali.
You in that time, you get hooked on it because
then you're like, I've solved that my problem, Right, All
I need to do is only drink canned tomato soup.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
It's working quote unquote, quote unquote, Yeah, yeah, made a
super broad Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
So let's talk about doctor quote unquote Linda Hazzard. I'm
just gonna keep saying quote.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Unquote all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
So Linda Laura Burfield is born to Montgomery and Susannah
Burfield in Carver, Minnesota, on December eighteenth, eighteen sixty seven.
She's one of eight children. In eighteen eighty five, she's eighteen,
She gets married and has two children. Fourteen years later,
in eighteen ninety eight, she abandons her family and moves
to Minneapolis to pursue a career in medicine as an

(01:13:37):
osteopathic nurse. So, right, when her children are young teens, Wow,
She's like, I don't know, I think I've changed my
mind and moves away to be a nurse. Thanks thanks, Linda,
hm okay. So, in nineteen oh two, a patient of
Linda passes away in her care. The corner determines that
the patient's death is caused by starvation, and that coroner

(01:14:00):
tries to get Linda prosecuted, but Linda isn't a licensed doctor,
so she can't be held legally responsible. Holy shit. Yeah,
So after the patient dies, the family comes to claim
the body and discovers that expensive rings that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
That patient had are missing from the body.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
And when they ask about the rings, Linda doesn't give
a straight answer and it's suspicious, but they never push
it any further, which is another sign that she's a
psychopathic because clearly she's convinced them or made them feel
like they can't ask questions or it's not their place
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
The whole thing, like even calling yourself a doctor just
gives people, you know, they feel like you're superior. It's
status and you trust them or yes, it's status and power.
And I'm sure if she became a nurse, she was
around doctors and knew how to mimic that kind of
behavior of you know, like dispassionate, judgmental, I'm smarter than you,

(01:15:00):
I know better than you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
So you love doctors. I yeah, it's like that one
doctor you just did as you did. It's my guy. Yeah,
the seventeen year old doctor. You love him. The new
life New Hope. I was just telling my friend about
that story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I'm like, have you ever heard about the eighteen year
old that opened his own medical clinic? And then I
bored her, but when she could have just listened to
the episode herself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
So two years later, after all that happens and she
gets away scott free with killing somebody. In nineteen oh four,
she meets and marries a West Point graduate named Samuel
Christmas Hazard. Yes, it sounds like a fun name, but
this guy's no good. He was on a promising military
career track, but it ended after he was caught embezzling

(01:15:49):
army funds. So two psychopaths meet each other and they're
like glingling.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
L Let's kill the world.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Psychopaths meet cute, Yeah, I love you, I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Let's kill everybody. Okay. So sam has a reputation for
being a drunk, a lecturer and a swindler, and Linda's
like me too. And he's been married twice before, and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
By the time he marries Linda, his third wife, he's
only gotten divorced from one of his two previous wives.
So he ends up getting arrested for bigamy and is
found guilty he has to serve a two year prison
sentence for it. So in nineteen o six he's released
from prison and he and Linda moved to a forty
acre property in a Lala.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Washington, for a fresh start.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
This will be the property and the place that eventually
will become Starvation Heights.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
So, and that's what the locals call it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
That's not she called it Wilderness Wilderness Heights Sanatorium, I
believe event starvation. Starvation Heights is what the locals called it.
And apparently the kids in a law were scared to
go up there. But then when they would, like people would,
they would dare each other or something. They would get
up there and then watch the people who are staying

(01:17:08):
there wander around and fall down because they couldn't even
walk across the grounds because they were so starve.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
They were starving so terribly. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
So now Linda, because she's been grandfathered in uh with
her with her her fasting or fasting expert medical license
that now counts as a medical license, she takes the
ferry to Seattle every day for work. And then she

(01:17:38):
finally achieves her dream of building her own sanitarium. So
in nineteen oh eight, she writes the book Fasting for
the Cure of Disease, and that book promotes the idea
that fasting can cure any disease, including cancer. So people
all around the country start coming to UH to take

(01:18:00):
this cure basically, and to start doing her system so
that they can be cured of the disease they have.
So it's a special kind of psychopath that's taking advantage of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
The already sit totally hideous.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
So one such traveler was a woman named Daisy Hagland.
She was the daughter of wealthy Norwegian immigrants, and she
sought out Linda's guidance for healthier living in early nineteen
oh eight. Linda directs Daisy to fast for fifty days,
which you can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
You can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
No, it shrinks your brain, The impact on your body
is terrible. After even a short amount of time of
starving yourself fifty days, it's like almost no one can
survive it. So on February twenty sixth, nineteen oh eight,
at the end of her fifty day fast, Daisy dies
of starvation at thirty eight years old. Oh my god,

(01:18:58):
leaving behind a three year old son named Ivar. She
would be the first person in Washington to die under
Linda's care and there will be many more.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
So people would later describe Linda Hazard as domineering, controlling,
and hypnotic, and they believe she dabbled in the occult
and basically gained her power from the devil because they
couldn't explain why people would basically continue to do this
system where they were being beaten and given enema's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Daily and being starved like it just didn't No one
could really.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Explain it and paying her for it and paying her
for it while she was draining them and stealing from draining,
drain their bank accounts and stealing from them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
She sounds a lot like HH Holmes. Almost, yes, that's true. Yeah,
but it's what's weird is like that thing, And maybe
it's that it's the women's psychopaths, that thing of pretending
you're a caretaker when you're actually the opposite. It's especially
creepy and it's like the patient's choice to be there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
So it's good gas lighting material. Yep, it's like you
wanted this, you're paying me, it's my system. And in
the book, I remember there's all these things where she
would say when people would say like this is too hard,
or I really I have terrible headaches, or when they
would complain, she would then basically yell at them about
how they were weak and spoiled and they needed to
finally do something good for themselves, like she'd really always use.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Them against themselves. Yea, in the worst way.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
So another patient under Linda's care, Ida Willcox, dies in
nineteen oh eight. In nineteen oh nine, two more deaths
follow Blanche B. Tyndall and Viola Heaton, and in nineteen
ten Maud Whitney, Frank Southard, c A. Harrison, Ivan Flux

(01:20:48):
God and yeah they all die in nineteen ten, and
then Earl Edward Erdman dies in nineteen eleven, and Linda
Hazard had there's so many people that already died under
her care, and newspaper reporters started talking about it. There
was a headline that said woman MD kills another patient,
so like people were aware, but there was no there

(01:21:09):
was no open investigation or anything like actively happening. So
Earl Erdman's death prompts the Seattle Daily Times to write
an article about doctor Hazard and the headline read, woman
MD kills another patient.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Then still In nineteen eleven, a former legislator and a
magazine publisher named Lewis Ellsworth Rader goes to doctor Hazzard
and to take the fasting cure, but because of his
high social status in Seattle, the general public is paying
very close attention to the fact that Rader is fasting,

(01:21:44):
and they all see how he's withering away because of
the fasting. So the authorities are called to investigate the doctor,
but when they talked to Rader, he refuses to testify
against her or take help from anyone in any way,
and he tells everyone the fasting is helping him. Eventually
he dies too. He is six feet almost six feet tall,

(01:22:07):
and he weighs under one hundred pounds at.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
The time of his death.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Are you fucking kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yes, they literally just starved to death under her care.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
So at this point ten people have died on doctor
Hazard's watch, all of them from starvation after being prompted
to fast for fifty days. This is our plan, and
it's killing everyone. That is, basically everyone that does it
sticking to it right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
There are a couple people that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Don't die from it, and they are such vocal advocates
that there, you know, it is the balance that she's
using to kind of cover all this. But I mean
people are dropping dead, okay, so uh so all of
these people are found like by the corner to die,
have died from starvation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
But in some of the cases, because it's doctor hazard
did the autopsy. Oh wait, w uh huh, she will
do the autopsy and she will say that the cause
of death is something like cirrhosis of the liver. And
so she always finds that it was something that it
was a pre existing condition basically, and that the starving
was the fascining I'm sorry, was curing it, but then

(01:23:14):
it just took over. Yeah, it was too late and
just to it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah, so that they basically she really is using that
doctor thing, yeah, to get away with so much.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Cris How does she even know how to do a
fucking autopsy? She's a starvation doctor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Well, if she studied to be a nurse, she must
know a little something, you know. It's just enough to
just enough to cover.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
So, so, as I said, despite the death toll, Linda's
medical theories have a cult following. I think underlying the
word cult uh and Linda's personality is so domineering that
few people ever dare to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Question her methods or disobey her orders.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Seattle's health director at the time has called to put
a stop to Linda Hazard's dangerous medical practice, but because
doctor had Hazzard has her license to practice, and because
her patients willingly seek this cure, there's nothing that they
can do about it officially until April of nineteen eleven.

(01:24:12):
So at this point, Dorothy and Claire Williamson have been
on their starvation diet for two months. They're both gaunt
and delirious from fasting. And this is when doctor Hazard
has her lawyer get a signature from Claire amending her will,
and it grants doctor Hazard twenty five pounds a year

(01:24:33):
to be paid and full control over Claire's body if
she passes away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Very odd thing to amend someone else's will to say.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
So. And meanwhile, the sisters are absolutely suffering and they're starving,
They've lost tons of weight, they're delirious, they can't really,
they can't defend themselves from doctor Hazzard when she comes
over to come on, it's more treatments.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Do anything about it a week at that point, yeah,
And but they're they're trying.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
To protest, and this is when the doctor Hazzard says, Oh,
now the sanitarium and aalala is all ready for you,
and we're going to take a trip down there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
So they decide to do that. Alala Is is about
on Google Maps. It was in a little over an
hour southwest of Seattle, but I bet it wouldn't take
longer back then.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
And at this point both sisters weigh about seventy pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
And the pictures are very disturbing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
If you look up the pictures, there's picture, there's photos,
and it honestly looks like weird like mannequins that people
have dressed up for Halloween. They're so gaunt and frightening looking.
It's really horrible. They look like they're dead basically. So,
although the sisters have kept the entire endeavor a secret

(01:25:56):
from the family, like I told you, they knew that
the situation was starting to get dire. So on April thirtieth,
they sent a cable to their childhood nurse named Margaret
Conway in Australia asking her to come to Olala and
help them. And the message was so odd and like
jumbled and weird that Margaret Conway realizes something terrible is

(01:26:19):
going on, and she immediately buys a ticket to Seattle
to help.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Find the sister. It's gonna take like two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
What takes the journey from Sydney to Seattle takes a
full month.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
She arrives on June first, nineteen eleven, and Sam hazard
meets her at the station and brings her to Linda's office,
and that's when he breaks the news that Clara Williamson
has died. So Margaret doesn't understand what's going on. Then
Sam takes her to Olala, to the sanatorium to see Dorothea,

(01:26:53):
and when she arrives there, she is beyond shocked at
what she's looking at.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Dorothea is a shell of her former self. She's starved,
she's delirious, and she's living in this weird shack on
the property. So this idea that they had and it
really goes into it and start the book Starvation Heights.
They really go into the description of how they keep
it and what they're doing. But they basically would keep
the patients away from each other, so everyone's kind of

(01:27:19):
being starved, but they're separate, so no one can get
together and then go someone you go get the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Or even like look at someone else and be like
that person doesn't like, well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Yeah exactly, Like if that's what they're doing, this is
what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
This isn't good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
There's no ability to reflect and they're all under doctor
Hazard's control. So when she does find Dorothea, Dorothea weighs
fifty pounds, So it's just it sounds impossible, and yeah,
it's horrifying. It's the reason Claire died. And imagine being
this nurse, this nanny, I mean, she must have been

(01:27:55):
in her sixties or seventies. She shows up to think, oh,
they're doing some weird die and she basically comes to
find one of the sisters is dead and the other
one is almost a corpse.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Plus this sanitarium that she's come to visit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
The other patients start coming up to her and going,
please help us get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
It is a fucking nightmare. It's a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Someone needs to make this as a horror movie because
Margaret's such a badass. So here's the thing, like you
were talking about before, she's from the servant class. So
when she tries to take Dorothea out of there. The
Hazard say no, absolutely, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
We are her doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
She's signed over all control to us. You don't have
any control. And they basically show her paperwork that says
we have legal guardianship over her and these are her
signatures and this is what she wants and get basically
get out of here. So she's afraid to fight with
them or confront them in the moment, but.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
She decides. She realizes that these sisters have an uncle.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Named John Herbert in Portland, Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
So she goes and gets the uncle and is like,
you got to get up here, and you got to
get these guys out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
So John Herbert comes to get Dorothea out of the
Hazard's clutches, but they still refuse to let her go
unless they're compensated for getting her out of the sanitarium.
So the uncle barters with the Hazards, ultimately paying a
little less than two thousand dollars to save his niece.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Oh my god, which in today's money would be why.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
I don't know even when you looking up two thousand
dollars in nineteen eleven. Sorry, no I didn't I should
have done it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess one hundred
and forty.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Hundred and forty two thousand. I'm going to guess seventeen thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Wait, what was your guesses again?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
George's a sixty thousand minus seventeen thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
Fifty four thousand and twelve dollars and twenty one cents one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
He has to pay fifty grand to get his das
out of these lunatics. Okay, so they get her out.
She lives, thank god. And later in nineteen eleven, when
Dorothea is safely back with her family, the Williamsons used
their clout with notable British politicians to take legal action
against doctor Linda Hazzard. The British Vice Council of Tacoma

(01:30:23):
tries to get the county to prosecute Linda, but they refuse,
saying they can't afford to press charges. They're all in
her pocket, you know, if she's stealing from all these
rich people, she's paying people off, and they do say
it goes into it more. But when she would they
would have like she sometimes buried bodies on the property,

(01:30:45):
but she also sometimes sent them to a funeral home,
and they said the funeral home was in coats with her,
sure basically, and they said sometimes she would just go
and dump the body off a cliff. No.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Dorothea, however, pays the appropriate fees to make it happen
because she's like, I don't care, this is happening. So
doctor Linda Hazard is arrested for the murder of Claire
Williamson in August of nineteen eleven. So Linda defends herself
in court by saying that regular doctors were just jealous
of her intelligence and her success with naturopathic treatments.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
I didn't realize what a vintage excuse that was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
You're jealous of me through the ages. You're just jealous.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
And she also insists upon taking the stand to testify
on her own behalf.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
I classic psychopath. But her lawyer says, you can't. You
will ruin this for yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
But Dorothea Williamson testifies against doctor Hazzard, so she gets
up and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Tells the whole story.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Throughout the trial, there's an overwhelming amount of evidence against
doctor Hazard.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Including written records of her quote unquote.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Treatments and the testimony from Dorothea about the horrible conditions
that she and all the other patients were kept in
in a paper trail showing how Linda routinely got delirious
patients to sign over their wealth and belongings to her.
In nineteen twelve, Linda Hazard is found guilty of manslaughter.
She serves two years in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
And then is free.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Yeah, she gets a pardon from the governor, which is
more to my theory that she was paying everybody off,
but who knows. And then she and her husband Sam
moved to New Zealand to start over because apparently she
had a big following in New Zealand, so she went
to where her quote unquote supporters were. And when she

(01:32:37):
gets to New Zealand, she picks up right where she
left off and offering treatment to patients and calling herself
everything from a physician to a dietitian to an osteopath.
But the health officials in New Zealand immediately cracked down
on Linda. Her medical licenses stripped had been stripped after
her trial, so her medical practices in New Zeeland are

(01:33:00):
found unlawful. So once this starts happening in New Zealand,
she heads back to Olala. She has saved up enough
money from the people she swindled in New Zealand, and
she opens a new sanitarium, her dream sanitarium, a bigger one,
and even though she's forbidden from practicing medicine, she markets

(01:33:23):
the new one, the New Sanitarium, as a school of health.
So in nineteen twenty seven, she writes a second book
called Scientific Fasting, The Ancient and Modern.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Key to Health.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
She won't get off it, she will not fucking leave
it alone, and it garners even more fans for her,
and she continues to treat patients and starve them without
calling herself a doctor until nineteen thirty five, when her
sanitarium burns to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
What yeah, ooh, I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Want to I bet like, in my mind, it's a
bunch of rebellious, fucking patients that are like, fuck this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah. The people who lived were just like they went.
They had some pancakes. They were like, we need to
bug and get this lady out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
The exact number of Linda's victims is still unknown, but
there were definitely at least twelve, and it is believed
up to forty deaths attributed to her fasting regime. Finally,
in nineteen thirty eight, Linda becomes ill herself, so she
begins her own fasting treatment and on June twenty fourth,
nineteen thirty eight, Linda Hazard dies of starvation.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Yes, And this is just a fun trivia fact to
end on an upnoe Daisy Hagland, who was her first
victim in the state of Washington, her three year old
son that I told you about Ivar, He would go
on to open what is still to this day a
huge chain of seafood restaurants in the Seattle area. One call,

(01:34:55):
and I've actually talked about this before, I think for
some reason when we were in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
One of them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
They're all named different things that it's Ivar's Lobster, Ivars whatever,
and my favorite one is Ivar's Acres of Clams.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
We have to go and exam Seattle. Yes, you hate seafood.
I even though I hate seafood, I absolutely want to
go to Ivar's Acres Burger. I'm sure they have a
burger on the kids menu, right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
And that is the super insane story of doctor Linda Hazard. Starvation, heights, sanitary.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
Great job, isn't that not? That is nuts. I'm glad
you did that that too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
That's a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, read that book. I swear that Starvation Heights book
is fascinating. There's so much more stuff that's so creepy,
really gross stuff about the place itseself itself.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Yeah, lock that man, great job, Thank you fucking right. Yeah,
you're ready for fucking hurry, let's do it. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
What's my second one?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Yeah, you used your first?

Speaker 4 (01:35:58):
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Do you want to go first?

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I'll go first if you want me to. Sure, well
have two.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
We've actually had a little bit of a conversation I
think about this. But the first one is the comic strip,
The fire Side is coming back. No, Gary Larson is
restarting the far Side yay. And it got announced I
think it was. I think it was either over the
weekend or it was a couple of days ago. And

(01:36:24):
I got so excited because my family is all.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
About the Far Side. I didn't know that. Yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
It's one of my dad's favorite things, and he my
what he used to do, and this was like all
growing up. My dad would read the paper, usually the
San Francisco Chronicle, and the fire Side would be in there,
and he would make you look at it and read
it and then you go, is he nuts or what.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
He's a nuts all loves Gary Larson so much and
was so excited when I texted him and I go, Dad,
the Far Side's coming back. And then I sent them
the link to the article and he imediately wrote back,
what app is that going to be on? And I wrote, Dad,
wherever it is, I will figure out how to get
it and I will hook you up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
You will have it on the daily. Don't worry. I
love it. That's excited. I know, I'm very excited. I'm
happy for you and the kind of to go hand
in hand with that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
I just went and I went and saw the movie Hustlers,
the Jaylo movie Hustlers. Everybody's got to see it. It
is hilarious and great and a true story which.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
You got to love.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
But Jennifer as an almost fifty year old woman watching
j Lo, a fifty year old woman pulled downs like
a motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
To Fiona Apple, No, I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
It starts this movie off. We're just like, whoa, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
I've been a bag girl. I knew it. That's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
It's so good, and it's just like there's something very
oh and also aside from j Loo, who of course
is like a miracle CARDI b every moment she is
on the screen is beyond delightful. And I wish she
was in the entire movie. I love she should have
been in the entire movie. I don't know why they
didn't put her in the entire movie. I just wanted

(01:38:12):
to talk, which I do on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
There's one part they just I feel like they added
it in because it's just her yelling at the door.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
If you haven't seen Hustlers, and it had a huge
opening for basically being a movie that's all women, go
see it because it's a real good time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
Okay, I need to go see it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Yeah, but I've been busy because I got myself and
my bad back a very large, very ugly massage chair.
Oh yes, it's just one of those fucking eyesores. I
put it in the downstairs. It's your airport massage chair.
It's totally the air which Oh my god, what airport

(01:38:51):
were at where I went and gotten They had massage
like gross greasy massage shairs at this airport and and
like you can put quarters in and I just went
over and fucking did it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
I love massage share so much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
And that was the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Airport where we were flying. God, I wish I could remember.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It was Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
It was a big one. It was a main one, Arizon, Like, yeah,
that would make sense. And you sat in these massage
shares that were facing people walking towards the gate, so
anyone who saw you that listened the podcast would be
like hi, and you go, you're being in your massage here. Hi,
Karen's right over there. But it was like literally six
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
It wasn't even just people who recognize me if I
saw them wearing a Murderino short like Hi.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
I was just like having the time of my life.
You're high on your legs massage. And then people would
walk up and I'd like have my earbuds in like
barely away and be like a sorry, George, George, send
us your way. Let's say hi and hug them and
go and say I had to Karen because I was
so happy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
So I got one of those zero gravity fucking massage
big huge, ugly chairs and I have been using it
every night with your fucking weighted blanket on top of me,
really and usually meet me on.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Top of that sure, and it is is just heaven. Yeah,
it is so lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
And I know I've talked like this about my bathtub,
but i feel the same way about my massage chair.
And I'm just so happy. It just brings me joy. Yes,
And the weighted blanket is like a fucking bonus, So
thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Yeah, my pleasure the weighted blanket. Like the science behind
the weighted blanket is so fascinating because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Like hurricane dog jacket it is. It's like it's hugging you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Yeah, it's Temple Grandin style if you're in the cow
hugger and it works.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
It like makes me feel not freaked out. Yeah, it's
so nice, like like it's got you, it's got you down.
I got you, girl, worry. Uh do I need to
get a big ugly massage chair. Oh you have a
second bedroom, get it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
It's like a big ugly one where you put your
legs in and it squeezes and shit, and it just
makes so much noise and the cats are afraid of
it except for me. It's so lovely. So it's so ugly,
oh so hideous. That's such a good splurge.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Yeah, and it wasn't like top of the line. It
was like a cheapy one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
I got to use one out of the aras I
own airport.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
That's right, I've got my favorite wash those grease stains
off and it was great. I had a There were
so many pretzels being eaten in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
That Come on, now, they're your pretzels. That's right, you've
earned them. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
That's awesome. Yay, Well, thanks for.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Listening from Yeah, thanks for listening, and if you want
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Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
My favorite weekend dot com or my favorite murder dot com.
Whatever you're feeling, and stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Goodbye Elvis one cookie ha