January 22, 2016 • 45 mins
In this episode, Karen & Georgia discuss Paul Bernardo the Scarborough Rapist/Schoolgirl Killer, the assassination of Robert Kennedy and Alie Ward shares a hometown high school murder story.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hey, welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, I'm Karen, I'm Georgia, and we love murder.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We love murder. We don't want to get murdered. We
love true crime.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We love true crime. We love to talk about bad
things that have happened yep to good people.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk about
it enough. It's as if we could ward it off
with just our with our positive verbal energies.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And our anxiety over getting murdered.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Because sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's right. We're really we're changing the future with our words.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're diffusing the possibility of getting stabbed multiple times.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We're diffusing the stab.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know what I do have a problem with, though,
whenever I talk about like murder, how I could die,
or car like on a recording, I just think about
them using it when it actually happens in in my.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Like forty eight hours, Yes, yeah, in You're twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
For example, our new favorite show that I wouldn't let
you talk about with me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There's a video, so let me kind I just tell
people who are listening.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Start from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at
her apartment.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
She said, have you been watching that? And I said,
don't talk about it?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have you been watching? I barely had the word watching
out and she screamed, don't talk about it, but didn't
explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast.
It was as if this was a forbidden s like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I literally was like, never talk about it, like how
I am with Sex and the City. Don't talk about
it in front of me. Oh, you don't want a spoiler?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right? Ever? In my life? I want to keep that
pure for the rest of my days.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You never knew one. You've never done one episode?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh? I saw part of once when they went to
La and it was it really depressed me.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Fair enough, Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, I meant,
I meant.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Save it for the show. Okay, this is the show.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, there's I just started watching it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Hmm, same with me.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What episode are you on?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Uh? Two?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Okay, this is fun because I'm on like it? We
just finished three?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh? Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The show we're talking about is making of a murder,
making a murderer, making a murderer on Netflix. It's like
think the Jinks but fucking better.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, do you love it? It's amazing. But what I
think is amazing is we are truly now in this
era where everyone's life has been recorded in some way
because there is so much footage of that guy, so much,
so much footage, and you realize it's because that's how
everything works these days.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
But he was also in the news like for the
past eighteen years. Yes, So the story is the And
it's really funny because this story there's two separate stories here,
one of which the murder. I already knew about so
as soon, and I didn't realize that that's what was
going on until they started talking about the murder. So
the first episode, which I thought was a standalone thing.
I thought they were just going to talk about like
(03:11):
people who got exonerated. Oh, the first episode is the
story of this guy, Stephen Avery getting boilers sprightly. Yeah,
but you're going to see the first episode.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He gets exonerated for rape after eighteen years in prison and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his
own cousin and the people that live in his community.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's one of those like it's like the West Memphis
three where it's like, how the fuck did this get
as far as it did? Yeah, one of those like
these guys clearly a huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying.
We could go to prison at any moment for anything.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, well yes, because it's that freaky thing of like
as you pull back and realize this is happening all
over the country, all over the world where people in power,
it's an abuse of power and people just doing whatever
they want to do. Totally, there's these amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Because God, all the depositions, there's like hundreds of hours
of deposition, and.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's these people that I swear to God, if it
was a sketch show, you'd be like, that guy's too broad, Totally,
like the the mealy mouthed district attorney guy with the
little glasses and the kind of perfectly balding head that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Was like, they are so depressing like this. They are
the reasons I point to all of them that I
never want to work in an office shop again if
I can save myself, because those are the people you
work with and you fucking hate them.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And more more so for me is watching people lie.
It's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It
doesn't matter how you think you might be good at
it or not.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
How do people know you're I think you are. Everyone
knows you're lying, and.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They're that that one sheriff who is kind of big
with the mustache, that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah drawing who did a drawing and got them framed
like a fucking disgusting like he's the guy who goes
hunting and gets like and like kills an animal with
like a shot to the head and then frames it
on his wall.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Crazy. I mean, like just the level of uh mus
and and the way that guy would talk what it
made me love that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He talks like, I'm you're stupid. I am so much
smarter than you. I'm gonna act like it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
When nearly he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing, totally
a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guy's like,
let me finish. Like the lawyer ends up feeling like
a teacher, and the guys like, I don't remember such.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
A smug pieces of what do you think? Yeah, he's
just all of it. It's so gross, and then it
turns into and I think we can talk about the
crime because this is a murder that we probably would
have eventually gotten to because it's stuck with me for
so it's stuck with me because of what this woman
went through, the torture that she went through. Oh no,
did you ever hear about it before?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't know, because I'm I'm like right in the
park where they're looking for her. I mean, I obviously
know she.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Do you remember there's one where she gets kidnapped and
tied up and the nephew and the s guy raped
and tortured her. I remembered it from the because of
the nephew part. Okay, So when that started happening and
they started talking around the third episode, I was like,
oh shit. And then his nephew comes in, so I'm like, well,
this is then he did it because I remember this murder,
(06:08):
but they get to it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's crazy. So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that
you saw in like a twenty twenty style thing, but
it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't Well, that's what that's what we're examining, okay,
is did he commit this murder or did they set
him up? Because this guy, Steven Avery, is now suing
the shit out of the county that put him in
jail wrongfully. And are they setting him up because this
woman disappeared?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Are they setting him up for the murder? Yeah, that's
like the question they're going to answer.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm positive they are. And I'm only halfway through the
second episode.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's great, and it's one pub because it's one of
those things with Cereal. We're episode to episode we're like,
he's guilty, He's not guilty, he's guilty, and they the
reason they found out about it is because the nephew
confessed and you're like, well, then he did it, and
then they show you they have footage of the nephew confessing,
and it is it is troubling. Oh no, Like when
you say I can tell people are lying. He's lying.
(07:02):
This kid is making this shit up and it's a
false confession. But is it I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm sorry, is it? I'm sorry to say, but it's
that weird thing. We're Also it's so much easier when
you're watching a documentary and going like, look at this guy,
because so it's been laid out for me, right, Like
if they were manipulating me to not like people are
like people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Ever, I fall for that stuff every single totally, totally
every time. And everyone now including us, thinks we're like
fucking we're like sleuths and we're like professional and good
at this and consense things and really like we're just
we just like have a podcast and like talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, but I'll tell you this. Here's one thing I
can sense is when a big fat, smug guy with
a mustache is lying for sure, I know, for sure,
I can tell, or what they get real like their
cadence is very condescending, like I don't remember, and it's all.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like how would I know that? How would I remember
this from years ago?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right? Fuck you? It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, it can also tell when there's a sixteen year
old in a police room being deposed by or being
questioned without parental like guardians or lawyers and being fed information.
It's fucking great. Wow, it's chilling. So my hope is
that episode ten. Don't watch it without me, like we'll
(08:19):
watch it together. Oh but I we'll get everyone together
who's watching it, because you're alive, because we're recording watch
it together.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know, that's great, something will happen. So we
just screamed the entire time, just a lot of screaming.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You can't even hear it. Yeah, yeah, let's watch ten together.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You know what's really funny too, is I mean this
will come out later, but people, I bet a lot
of people will have watched it by the time Yes,
actually comes out.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So what's fun is it's not episodic. You can go
binge the fuck out of it right now. Yeah, it's
all on there. That's the best.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But it seems like a bunch of people did that
because it was like a wildfire. People on Twitter being
like making have a murder, Like yeah, all of a sudden,
in a five hour block, everyone was tweeting that they
were watching it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You're smart, Like, I feel like episodic makes people more
into something maybe makes you smarter, No, makes people more
into something?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh oh like yes, because you just sit in your
house and watch it all day and it like it
becomes your life totally.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like now that Fargo's over, what am I gonna watch?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
For real? God bless Fargo? Right, gorgeous greatest?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
If Kirsten Dunce doesn't win all the awards, even like
the ones that don't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I'm gonna be bombed. Did I already brag to you
that I know the casting director? No, she goes to
my dog park. No, yes, she became dog park friends.
And then after chatting and she's just a total like
one of us kind of goalp Oh my god. It
turns out that and so we have each other's phone numbers,
like to text because everyone's I'll be like, oh, text
(09:44):
if you're going to go, yeah, so we'll be at
the dog park at the same time. Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And so if you're gonna go, bring Kirsten Dunce.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But I the first episode I watched, I text her.
I'm like, this show is amazing because I was. I
loved the first season and I was like, there's no
way the second season it's going to be as good.
Is like so good, so good? That good?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So yeah, everyone go watch what is it? Making of
a murder, Making of a murderer, Making of a murderer?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh, I made us a Facebook fan page, not fans.
I made my favorite murder a Facebook page. Nice, So
everyone go on there and talk about that and tell
us you're.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You're in your town. Murder all this time, right, Yes,
we want to know what's happened, what happened in your
town that you've been talking about since you were ten.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We want to know your Facebook murder or your favorite murder.
What could be the Facebook murder?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
What if there was a Facebook murderer?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, not a face. It's so low rent, so bratchet.
Should we get to what our favorite murders are? Yeah?
For this episode? Yeah? Do you want to go first?
You want me to go to first? I need to
go first. You want me to go first? Yeah. This
is one of the ones where I've done less research
on it, but I know I know the story in
my heart totally. This is a These are more fun.
(11:00):
It's a murder of my heart. But it's the Paul
Bernardo Carla Homolka husband and wife murder team where it
was in uh, I believe it's Toronto and in the
early nineties, and it was a weird power dynamic, abusive
(11:21):
relationship and he basically he basically got his wife to
help him lure teenage girls into their homes so that
he could rape them and ultimately murder them. And they
started off with her younger sons. I remember, it's so crazy.
(11:42):
They drugged her younger sister, who was like fourteen. They
put drugs in her drink, and then like they root
feed her and then he raped her and she videotaped it.
This is her.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Younger her younger sister.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You thought Canada was all mata syrup and politeness totally,
And there's one exception to that rule, and it's Paul Bernardo.
But the reason I like this, aside from the insanity
of that part where they would drive around looking for
teen girls, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So scary because you think, like you see a woman
and you're like, I'm safe. Like if something like, let's say,
for some reason, I was hitchhiking, which I would fucking
never do because I'm terrified of murder, but it happened
that I was and a couple stopped, I'd be like,
this is okay because the woman's here, Yes, so he's
not gonna murder me with his like wife or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Which is That's how you know the story of the
woman him in the box.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh my god, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, Georgia, the way you just did, I wish you
guys could have seen you practically winked at me. Your
like yep, like just say no more. This is a
day where Georgia knows everything I'm going to say to her.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But that girl, the woman got into the car because
it was a couple in the front seat.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And then they put her in a carpeted box. How
how fu terrifying but so awful.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And then they ended up keeping her in a box
under the bed for seven years.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And then they tied her up. Did you see the
photo of her tied up from her trial? No, they
don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked. And
you know what the most fucked up thing about that
story is is that they brought her home to her
house to be like, look she's fine everyone, Yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And that in and of itself was this big, uh
a huge thing for him because he had her and
that idea that like, there's a syndicate that's out to
get you, so you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You can't tell her he made her He told her
that he made her sign a thing.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah that said the company. I think he called it
the com company.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean, would you do you want to be like
I would never believe that as soon as I've actually
I thought that this, like, I would just start screaming
the minute I got in the door of my family's
house because he was like, look, we're dating. Everything's normal, right,
so you can stop looking for her.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
But he broke her. He broke her, He broke her
in on the deepest psychological levels.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Be that hard when you're putting someone in boxes to break.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Them, It actually isn't. I don't think you if you
if you feed people like only sugar, don't let them sleep,
make them jump around. That's how cults do it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Really, sugar really that's a good.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, that's how like the Moonies would do it. Why
just because your brain is if you don't have enough protein, yeah,
and you only you only eat sugar, then you have
these weird energy bursts and you do like a lot
of crazy stuff and then you are exhausted. But then
they wake you up at three in the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And can do a weird I'm putting myself in a
cult then, because I'm just constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, cookie, right, it's crazy. I need to eat
more protein. So anyway, but here's the here's my twistaroo
that's kind of a homecown story. So Paul Bernardo, who
was the husband of this hideous They of course eventually
caught him. But when they caught him, they in taking
his DNA. They linked him to a long standing set
(14:53):
of unsolved rapes. They were calling them, they're calling him
the Scarborough rapist. And it was from a certain neighbor
hood in It's Toronto, right, I keep thinking it might
be Montreal, it's Canada, It's I'm pretty sure it's Toronto.
But let us know if I'm wrong. Yeah, always on
the Facebook page. Give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong.
(15:14):
But so, the Scarborough Rapist was was people were terrified.
It went on for years New York. No, no, no,
in this part of Sorry, this is the one that
I didn't look up. I'm pretty sure it's a neighborhood
of Toronto, got it. But so my friend Paul Greenberg,
who you might know him from that one year that
(15:36):
Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and he walked out
behind him and just stood and stared.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It was a bit Oh okay, he's a writer and
he's a comic. He's really funny. So anyway, he told
me this story, and this is my favorite. So the
years before uh Paul Bernardo and his wife started killing
young girl for his pleasure, there was a Scarborough rapist
(16:04):
and so Paul's mother was at the time, I guess
in her seventies probably, and she lived in an apartment
building that at a swimming pool at the top, and
she's a really good artist and so she would go
up and swim laps every day, and you know, she's
retired and I think she lived by herself. Anyway, one
day she's up there swimming laps and a young man
(16:28):
comes out onto the roof, and she doesn't really think
much of it, you know, she's swimming laps, and then
she notices that he's walking along the pool as she's
swimming laps, like lapping with her walking back and forth,
and so she like looks up and sees it and
there's no one else up there.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's threatening.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So she just keeps swimming laps and he's like tracking
her and staring at her, and she's like, you know,
an elderly woman swimming and he's just like she said,
it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn't
know what to do. At one point, she was just
treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do.
(17:06):
And then the door burst open and like three families
came out and you know, came to use the pool,
and all the kids jumped in the pool and he left. Okay,
So she got out of the pool, put on a
put on a towel. That's really important.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
When I was scared, she was slipped on some flip flops,
and she went down to her apartment and drew a.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Picture of his face. And she had to do it
while she remembered it. So then she put the picture.
She called the cops. They said, you know, it's like
a complaint or whatever. And then, however, many years it
was later, let's say three or five, when they showed
Paul Bernardo on the news for this husband and wife
(17:50):
killing thing. The mom walks over and pulls the picture
out of the drawer and it's him. It was Paul
Bernardo that was doing that. And then on with DNA
they linked him. Did she call and was like listen, dudes,
Well at that point they had I think they'd already
figured out that he was also the Scarborough ing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Holy shit, So he's scraping all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And like and doing stuff like that, Like like was
the name essentially?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You know what sucks about being a woman is you
never know like if something is nothing or not? You know,
that's right, Like you might just see this guy pacing
and you never see him again, or you might go
in your house and he's standing in your living room.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's right, Like what is nothing?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Or like a boyfriend is stalking you or dude is
stalking you? Is it nothing? Or is this guy gonna
murder me?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean not this stocking isn't awful too, but like,
is he just like obsessed for the next couple weeks
until if anyone else or is he a murderer? Right?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's like the day that I was at the dog
park alone at like seven in the morning and I
looked up and there was a guy. I thought at
first that he was chipping balls on one side of
the dog park, and then I looked and he had
a sword. Yeah, he was just swinging a sword around.
And I was just like, well, this is he or
my last downer yea, or maybe my dog will attack him,
(19:04):
but probably not, it's not really her style. Uh, And
I just waited and he eventually left.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Was he like practicing in an open space or just
being a fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
She was by the bushes, so there was a weird element. Yeah,
it wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
It's another thing aside from a woman being present, that
you're like, your guard is down, but like daytime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, morning guard is down. Yeah. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Expect anything to happen, which is the why it's the
perfect time.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And the dog park the most in dog person Yeah,
where only good things happened.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
All right, smells like why would you want to go
there if you didn't have to?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, what's a what's yours?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I feel like mine's kind of okay. I'm not going
to belittle myself, all right, because this is my favorite.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm not going to belittle myself of all places, not
on our murder podcast Georgia, because this isn't an interesting
Oh oh, I.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Meant to add a thing to your thing. The woman
what's her name, car Romola got out of jail a
while ago.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh yeah, that's right, she's out that. That was a
big part of it is She tried to say that
he was controlling her mind, which some people say is
very possible because she was a victim of his abuse
as well. But at the same time, you're still responsible
though for what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You can't kill your younger sister and think that that's
just going to go. You know, did they accidentally kill
her or was it on purpose? Did they drug her
and she had an overdose? I don't remember. That could
be part of the story.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But she's out.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That like she's just out? Yep, that's so. Let's talk
about some of the benefits of being a woman. Shorter
murder sentences, Yeah, more benefit of the doubt. Yeah, you
take some shit, you get some shit.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, and your sister's life and you killed her and
then you kill your sister.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, you pay one less Christmas present every year?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah? Right, Maybe that sister was a real pain in
the ass. Do you think her parents just talk to her? No?
Still probably I'd say probably. No, they know they killed
this the teen.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Sister parents are so forgiving though. I guess that the
like one line you can cross and it's like killing your.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, who knows. It really puts them in a
bad position.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Okay, my favorite murder Okay, this is it's like a
it's not as interesting, but It's my favorite because I
feel like it changed the course of history so drastically
that everything would be different today Lincoln's assassinate No, no,
but not far from the Okay, I think our world
would be. It's such a better place if this person
(21:33):
hadn't been killed. Robert F. Kennedy. Oh, because he was
a good person in a darling JFK was just a
fucking flashy playboy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But RFK hot take Georgia.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I just it makes me so sad that he
was killed. And I don't think there was a conspiracy,
even though there's they're trying to make a million conspiracy
s to it. There's the girl in the polka dot dress.
Do you remember that that thing where they say there's
a girl in a book adult dress who was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Mind controlling him.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What's the mind control thing that they called ultra?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And she.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Mind controlled Sir hunt, Sir hun to shoot Robert F.
Kennedy and ran out They saw someone said she ran
out of the Ambassador Hotel where he was killed, screaming
we shot him. No one ever found her.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, And if you were, if you were some kind
of a super deep agent in the MK Ultra program,
would you be would you yell that.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You can get a little work, controler, I think I.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Think you'd be better at your job.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And that's a really good point, Like you can do
all of these things, but yet you start screaming.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You snap. I mean, that's an interesting I mean, I
I don't put it past anything that the kind of
things that have gone on governmentally. Sure, I believe in
all of those. I believe in the idea that they
were trying to train people to be like sleeper murderers,
just like would wake up and shoot somebody. Do you
(23:02):
believe that, Yeah, like Vanchurian candidate style.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Because they do. You hear you fucking hear? Is that
your co that's a fucking cat screaming in the other room.
And this is why you can't sleep at night.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Maybe your cat's in pain.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
She's not. I take her to the doctor multiple times.
She's fine. Okay, she's fucking fine. She's an idiot?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Is she screaming? We shot him, spoke about outpage. Is
she the sleeper agent that we've been fearing all along?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Probably she's already ruining my life.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know what, if they could control cats, that would
be ill.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean, it was over the cutest army. The other
thing is she probably, if you're gonna think about it,
she wouldn't have worn a polka dot, Like why would
you wear something so like easily explainable. Right, you'd wear
a black dress, you'd wear pants, and like you would
look normal.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There are so many ways to blend in that Polka
dots always says, Hey, look at Manny mouse over here fun,
Polka dots, white gloves. I'm here to have fun. It's
me the town slut. I'm here for the shooting.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So you really think who do they pick and why?
Just like maybe criminals that no one will believe anyways,
could be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That could be like, you know, Jason Bourne style, you
were already in the army and then you got pulled
into some kind of special program and.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
They just put on so much LSD for so long
that your brain is as mush Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, the fuck that would suck. I know it would
be crazy. But also it's weird that, like, I don't know,
all of that stuff is so crazy because it's like
who is it the government or is it the mafia
or is it you know, the Kennedys have not had
a good time of it in terms of being murdered.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, but I think I don't know are they are
they all? Just like I think everyone in a public
place in government is just a fucking puppet.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
So it's the bit the rich big business people behind
the scenes, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The Dow Chemical family. But the guy from Fox ketchup,
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
God, totally him. Did you watch the the movie board
the shit out of me? But then I watched the
the thirty for thirty Do you ever watch this? Yeah
about it and you're like, oh, he this was so
perfect and correct.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And right and it's fucked up. It's better than the movie. Oh,
I have to see that. I loved that movie. I
was bored. And maybe because I went by myself, and
when I go see movies by myself, it makes me
feel like I'm French or something. I get real stuck
up about myself and like I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, You're you're going to see a film.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
That's right, not a movie. It's not a movie. It's
a film.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, I had no idea what to expect. Vince was like,
there's something about wrestling in it, and I was like okay,
and like I went and I was like, this is
the most boring.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I didn't know. I think the half the audience in
the theater when I went thought I was watching a
movie Correll comedy. So they only laughed when it was
like when he brings the trophy and he's like, I
have a trophy now, mother whatever. He did some weird
speech and everyone's like kinda laughed, but they were just
confused the whole time. Oh my god, they were watching
a movie. You were watching a film. I was there
(26:07):
for the film in my red poked audio, it's good.
You should watch the thirty for thirty of it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, Yeah, Am I allowed to do boring murders like that? No?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yes, because it's it's more of the concept of it,
like what was he up to that they needed to
take him out?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, here's the thing, is the reason. But see the
problem with me is what I that I have is
that the reason Sir Hans Sirhan, who was arrested and
is in prison for life for it, was killed him
makes complete sense, whereas like, what's his little squirreling name
who killed Lee Harvey har It's like it doesn't really
sound like so Sir Han RFK was a supporter of Israel.
(26:46):
Sir Hans Sir Haan was a Palestinian jordan Jordanian immigrant
and the day, the day that RFK was killed was
on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War.
So he killed RFK for his support of Israel, which
is talking through. The Six Days were real fast. Israel
kicked the kicked ass for like six days. Oh, it
(27:09):
was a bad I have a whole book on it
if you want. It's real boring, it's real boring.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Is that how they they set up the strip or whatever? Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Is that how they got their walls?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I know nothing about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But so he yeah, so that makes sense of the
why this crazy person. There wasn't a lot of bodyguards
going on at the Ambassador Hotel. RFK had just won
the Democratic or was about to win the preliminaries.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
In California.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So he's at he's in a room full of people
who are supporting him.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
So he's not that much you know, a reason to
fear things, right, yeah, right, well, but but there's got
to be The weird thing is what didn't that guy
work at the hotel?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh, he didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Real see the bus boy, I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He was like at least us up like a busboy.
Oh maybe there are people who have dedicated their lives
to studying mission and they hate it's so much. Did
that happen at a hotel?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Listen, we am here at my favorite murder. We're fucking
talking mat shit. And if you want something more than that,
then you need to go watch the documentary.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Then read your books.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, Like we're not pretending to be good talkers, no,
uh so? Yeah. And then there's also a theory that
if you listen to the recording, there are more than
eight shots fired, which Sir Hunt, Sir Hunt only had
a gun in a twenty two caliber with eight rounds
in it. Wow, but you can hear like up to thirteen. Maybe,
(28:45):
so maybe there's a second shooter.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, it sounds like there would have to be unless
it was echoing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But I just feel like if you watch documentaries about RFK,
his like his stance on racism and what he was
doing for the poor and for minorities was so extreme
from anything we've anyway we've ever treated people before. I
think our world would have been in a fucking much
better place. I think that honestly, Like, I think that
(29:13):
there was a break in the space time continue him
and everyone else when he didn't die got to live
in a great fucking world and we're stuck in this
bullshit where he got killed. Wow, I really do think
there was like a what do they call them, alternate reality?
Alternate reality, a sliding doors during Gene Yes and Gwyneth Paltrow.
We got stuck with her in this one and then
(29:35):
the other one. There's no Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The other one at Sandy Bullock the whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, all Sandy Bullock all the time, good times, life
is better and here we are.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well that's dark, but I kind of think you. I
like the concept of it, Like, imagine a world where somebody,
a leader who actually really did have the people's best
intentions ever got through because that's almost seems impossible these days.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think he had. I think he had that, and
I think we didn't deserve it, and he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He couldn't live because we didn't deserve it. I'm such
a good person.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm not you, and I'm clearly you and I are
like the.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Best, right, I'm I'm super nice to everybody all the time.
I'm really understanding. Hut, I'm so patient. I'm so patient
and kind.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't care when people drive like shit. I won't
scream at them.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't scream terrible things out the window of my
car people or at others.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We don't sit at a diner and talk shit on
every single person.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh my god, is it time use our second podcast,
Diner Time, where we talk public mad shit, where.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
We don't know we're mic, and we just talked shit
on every single person.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That would be I feel like I can't believe that
hasn't happened yet. Just truth, just like a well, I mean,
I think there are some people that do podcasts mistakenly,
but the idea of that a gossip podcast where people
just talk shit, you listen to it every if they
put out five a week, you'd listen to everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But can we be anonymous and no one knows who
we really are?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, we can't Astulia for us?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well maybe two other random girls. Haven't a podcast done
ferral Adio.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And it's just these two anonymous girls and they talk
mad shit. They sound a lot like those girls from Ohio. Yeah,
yoh yeah, yeah yeah yea, yeah, yeah, those girls, they're bitches.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Let's talk shit on those girls. Let's talk shit, mad shit. Okay, yeah,
So that's that's Those are two good ones. Those are
those are pretty good ones. Here's the first thing I
thought of when you said Robert Kennedy, you know how
he had a hand in shutting down that. I shouldn't
(31:41):
get into this one because it's a whole other topic quick.
It's a I think it was called Westbrook or Brookhaven
or Summy Brook or whatever, but it's that mental hospital
that's on Long Island or Staten Island. I mean that
got shut down in the sixties because they were basically
just taking developmentally disabled children and throwing them into big
(32:04):
dark rooms, oh my god, and hosing them off every day,
and like it was so I think it was one
of Heraldo's first expose as.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
He went in there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I remember that, and they like on this single light
on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from
today where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert
Kennedy saw that, he went and shut that place down himself.
That's the first thing I thought of. But that's where
they think there's a serial killer that lives on the
grounds of that hospital.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
That there's a there's a what's it called something see, Yes,
there's a Clancy Clancy or something like that. That's it
called I know it box of the movie. There's a Netflix.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's really good. It's called Stocksy Cropsy.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Cropsy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's it, cropsy. It's really good and creepy.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Remember a word with Karen and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Sound it out and work it out.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's a Banksy. Oh my god, we just saw who Banksy.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Issy's crops thanks. He's killing developmentally disabled children on staff.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, that's some fucked up shit. And unfortunately they also
then like Reagan and Nixon just opened the fucking asylums
and let everyone go, and which is why we have
this homeless problem and mental illness issue.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
My mom was a psychiatric nurse and she in the
late seventies and early eighties when that proposition came up.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It was Reagan.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It was Reagan, Sorry, sorry, Nixon. Nixon was long on.
But she used to rant about it every single night,
and she called, exactly what's happening today. She's like, these
people will have nowhere to go. They will be wandering
on the streets, they'll be assaulting people. They'll be like,
these people need to be taken care of. And this
is the coldest like the idea that a leader would
(33:45):
be like that, you don't take care of the people
that need help the most, and you just shut off
all funding for that and say it's not our problem
creates six such huge problems. Listen, I'm going to say
it right now.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I would rather pay more taxes to get people mental
fucking help and not have as much money myself then
live in a world where we don't fucking take care
of people in there are just rampant mental illness and
homeless and starving people.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And yeah, and that idea of it's too bad for you,
like I got mine? Yeah, when how did you even
get yours? People helped you?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Right, totally horrible. Everything is horrible. And if RFK hadn't died,
that would have never happened.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
What if he went and fist fought Reagan and that
was like it was an actual battle, Not hear fist.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Fought something totally else. And I just can't give it
to myself.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And that's what I just heard when you said I
was like, why did she say that? But you thought
what I saw. You said, fist spot a past tense
of fistfight is what I said. That's not what I heard.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh uh, yeah, they should have fought.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
They should have they should have fist fought.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Or where am I?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
In alternative universe Pville, there is just the most beautiful asylums.
And we go there sometimes when we just need a break.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yep, you know a garden.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, rest, and everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication.
And the medication is free, flowing, overflowing, just bowls of
medication everywhere, like fountains, fountains of prozac. I'll take it,
open my mouth, just like stick my head under the
I get some. Sure, just relax. Yeah, there's the adderall fountain.
(35:28):
It's never abused. That great.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Everyone graduates from college.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh drugs, that's okay. So now is the time in
our lives when we have a guest tell us there. Uh,
they're our favorite thing in the world. Their town crime. Yes,
we love it. Like, what's the crime that happened in
your town that like you remember when you were a
kid and you're like, holy shit, this thing happened. It's amazing.
(35:58):
Tell us on Facebook page we're just calling it Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now, tell us facebook page, the Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Tell us on Facebook page, your town. Don't message us
because we don't care. Put it on the page, like
so everyone can bask in it. Yeah, don't put a link,
like tell it in your fucking words. Put a link
to because that's cool.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But it's almost like a creepy pasta that you're writing totally,
but it's your it's true. Yeah, like what the truth?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Tell us? Don't pack it up?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well know, oh yeah, we can fact check this. We
won't fact check it. We can fact check it. We will,
all right.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
So our story this week comes from our friend Ali
Ward who she is a friend of mine. We're on
shit together. She's also on Innovation Nation on Saturday Mornings.
Alley Ward. You can find her by that name on everything. Okay,
so let's listen to her message.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Hey, what's up, Nally? So okay, you asked me to
call and tell you about this murder that happened in
my high school. And I went to school in Arenda, California,
which is very wealthy, nice subverer near Berkeley. I went
to Marrimante and they had a really good college prep program.
They had like a Latin program. So my family moved
(37:08):
in the area and Solver graduated. But Writta was known
for being this very tony suburb with this horrendous like
so touch a stupid murder that it seems fake. But
what happened was this girl named Kirsten Costas was a
popular girl. She was from a very affluent family as well.
(37:29):
She was like a cheerleader, and she was part of
the sorority program at my high school, which founds like like, well,
I'm sorry in the high school, but yeah, it was
like there were sororities in my high school. That's how
much extra monity people had. So there were these two
competing sororities. Anyway, there was a girl named Bernadette Protty
who was in the lesser sorority I think, and she
(37:51):
was really jealous of Kirston and she's always trying to
befriend her. But she told her at one point that
she was going to take her to this dinner for
new pledges or whatever. And according to the police workers
or whatever, they went to this dinner, Kirstin was like
annoyed because there wasn't food being served. I don't know,
because that part sounds weird. Because I want cheer later
(38:12):
and then I eats like none of them. Anyway, Bernadette
apparently got weird according to Kirsten, and then Kirsten fled
to a neighbor's house. He said, my friend's acting weird.
They're like, okay, i'll drive you home. So they this
like neighbor drove her home and then there was a
Pinto following them the whole way. In the Pinto was
(38:32):
Bernadette Parratti with an eighteen inch knife knife in her
car and her Pinto. So the neighbor drops off Kerson.
Bernadette runs up to the door as the neighbor thought
he saw office fight, but no, it was a nice fight,
the one person NiFe fight, and Bernadette just stabbed the
(38:53):
shit out of Kurstonycrossa and totally killed her. She died
before she got to the hospital, and I got sentenced,
but she she got out by the time. She was
like twenty three, but she she wasn't even implicated for months.
She passed a lie detector test and like, I guess
no one saw that it was her doing stabbing. I
don't know why. They were like, who dragged the Pinto
(39:14):
and they were like, oh, it's Bernadette. She killed her.
I don't know that. I don't know. But they made
a movie called Death of a Cheerleader during Tory spelling
as person who gets stabbed, and there's more that Heathers
is based on the high school I went to, which
is why I was gone when I went there and
(39:35):
I was like, I'm grabbing any.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Part of this. Two guys.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Nobody wants to be friends with me anyway anyway.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Murder.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Oh that's such a big blade, O.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
My lord.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Anyway, don't join shorty. They're full of bad people.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Wow, holy Mac, she really hit it out of
the park on that.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's a good story.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Uh, cheerleaders stabbing each other. Yeah, I can't believe she's out.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
She got out. Why do people get out?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, well, uh, because they were start young and then
it's like insanity. Maybe fuck man, it'd be good to
know about that one. Yeah, because that's a It gives
you a lot of hope. Definitely changed her name.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm really fascinated with, like child murderers, Like there's a
Mary Bell. There's those two boys in England who took
the kidnapped that little kid out of them all so
they all got out by the time they were you know,
not even a They got out of eighteen or whatever
the fuck changed her name and laughed and I just
want to talk to them so bad.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, because if you're a child murderer, something hideous is
happening to you. That's the fascinating thing about the Mary
Bell case. Her mother was selling her to men when
she was a child. Got I mean, they're the rage
that was in her. It doesn't come from nowhere. It's
not just like, oh, I'm it was impulsive or whatever.
This is someone acting out and it's like a weird
(41:00):
cry for help. Totally. There's a really good, like a
British made for TV movie about Mary Bell. Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That kind of goes into that fucking vintage murders. Man,
come on, they're so interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Because you take it on the face fell and it's
just like, oh, that's crazy, like a six year old
that murdered a little boy. Yeah that's not Yeah, there's
more to it. Always fuck what was the sorry?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I have a message from Ali Ward?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Hold on, Ali Ward called Dustin. She forgot to mention
that the murderer's sister said she kept an eighteen inch
knife in her Pinto to slice vegetables while she drove
as one. Does you know what I smell?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
A rat? I smell?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Listen, man, if I know one of my siblings are
guilty of murder, I'm going to fucking tell on you.
Yeah you know why, because the siblings of the murdered
person matter more.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I'm also, you know, as a creative person, I would
take pride in the lie. Then I'm telling and icing
vegetables while I drive. Sure is a poor It's a
poor lot.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I mean, and we all know you. All you do
is use a fucking exact knife. What are those blades
called that are like a box cutter? Yeah, right, when
you cut your vegetables in the car, just use a
fucking box cutter.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Or just some kitchen scissors. Yeah, chop up. Uh yeah,
nothing about that even makes sense that it's what do you?
Let's get her on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What are we? What fuck were you thinking? Like, let's
piss her off on the podcast and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Also, think of an eighteen inch blade is six inches
longer than a twelve inch late.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, it's more, it's like a kitchen knife feet long.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
A kitchen knife is like a twelve inch.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, so that's even like, think of a kitchen knife,
not think of an extra blade on top of it.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Double blade.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
We're going into katana sword area. Yeah, with the length
of this knife. Let's put the knife show on.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Let's see get cutler cornor going.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Is the best. If you don't watch, if you don't
get high and watch the Knife Show, I don't smoke hot.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm not con donate it. Something is wrong with you.
Sometimes it's on perfectly, like right after our comedy show's over.
That's happened when I was in San Francisco. We came
back and it was like two fifteen, and I couldn't
go to sleep, and I was like, well, look, who's here,
all the assorted knives, that's the one. Should we wrap
it up? Wrap it up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Go to Facebook page, Facebook page, go to any Facebook
page anyone, and talk about us and visit people and
just live your life. Yeah digitally. Yeah, don't leave your house.
You're gonna get murdered if you leave your house.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
And definitely talk about us on Facebook page. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I talk about us on Facebook page and tell everyone
and read it to listen. I feel like Reddit people
would like this podcast a lot, but I'm not on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I thought it might be frustrating to some Reddit types
who like facts facts and like a fluidly chronologically told story.
Please again, go watch the documentary. Was what were were
here for? We're like, we like, we're like a puree.
We're like a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, yeah, that we're like, we were like one of
those two guys in uh in Vegas who played with tigers. Yep,
were those guys with the tigers, Like, we're not going
to find out the history of tigers and like what
they're you know what they're about. You're going to see
the best part of the tiger and our tans and
our tans.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah yeah, our teeth are tans, the best part of
the tiger, and.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Probably don't get mauled by our tiger, which is the
murders that can I just say this.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And then we'll The day that there was the story
in the paper of how the it was either Sigfried
or Rory, can remember which one got attacked. But the
day that was in the paper about him being mauled
by the tiger was the same day that they caught
the Green River Killer. And I remember going from reading
the la times, and it went from like one small
(44:57):
story turned the page the other small story where it's
like both of these stories are the hugest thing to
happen in the last twenty years, and they're both like
four columns, like tiny, tiny stories.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
People don't know what's important anymore, No, they really don't,
you know. It's like our media man is like telling
us how to live. Yeah, well that's a good I
like that. It's a little tie, a little bow tie
on tib Hey listen to us on other stuff and
go to us on other places. We have other things,
We live other lives sometimes, but we're slowly building so
(45:31):
that this takes over everything. Yeah, make sure this takes
over everything for your life too.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Get obsessed with this. Yep, there you go. We're Karen
and Georgia. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Thanks
Hey, welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, I'm Karen, I'm Georgia, and we love murder.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We love murder. We don't want to get murdered. We
love true crime.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We love true crime. We love to talk about bad
things that have happened yep to good people.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hopefully they won't happen to us if we talk about
it enough. It's as if we could ward it off
with just our with our positive verbal energies.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And our anxiety over getting murdered.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Because sometimes when you share an anxiety, it alleviates it
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, I think it also lessens the chance of it happening.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's right. We're really we're changing the future with our words.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
We're diffusing the possibility of getting stabbed multiple times.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
We're diffusing the stab.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You know what I do have a problem with, though,
whenever I talk about like murder, how I could die,
or car like on a recording, I just think about
them using it when it actually happens in in my.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Like forty eight hours, Yes, yeah, in You're twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
For example, our new favorite show that I wouldn't let
you talk about with me.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
There's a video, so let me kind I just tell
people who are listening.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Start from the very beginning.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Georgia was very harsh with me when I arrived at
her apartment.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
She said, have you been watching that? And I said,
don't talk about it?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Have you been watching? I barely had the word watching
out and she screamed, don't talk about it, but didn't
explain that she wanted to save it for the podcast.
It was as if this was a forbidden s like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I literally was like, never talk about it, like how
I am with Sex and the City. Don't talk about
it in front of me. Oh, you don't want a spoiler?
Is that?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
What?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Right? Ever? In my life? I want to keep that
pure for the rest of my days.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
You never knew one. You've never done one episode?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Uh? I saw part of once when they went to
La and it was it really depressed me.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Fair enough, Okay, let's talk about it. Okay, I meant,
I meant.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Save it for the show. Okay, this is the show.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, there's I just started watching it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Hmm, same with me.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
What episode are you on?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Uh? Two?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Okay, this is fun because I'm on like it? We
just finished three?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh? Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The show we're talking about is making of a murder,
making a murderer, making a murderer on Netflix. It's like
think the Jinks but fucking better.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, do you love it? It's amazing. But what I
think is amazing is we are truly now in this
era where everyone's life has been recorded in some way
because there is so much footage of that guy, so much,
so much footage, and you realize it's because that's how
everything works these days.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
But he was also in the news like for the
past eighteen years. Yes, So the story is the And
it's really funny because this story there's two separate stories here,
one of which the murder. I already knew about so
as soon, and I didn't realize that that's what was
going on until they started talking about the murder. So
the first episode, which I thought was a standalone thing.
I thought they were just going to talk about like
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people who got exonerated. Oh, the first episode is the
story of this guy, Stephen Avery getting boilers sprightly. Yeah,
but you're going to see the first episode.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
He gets exonerated for rape after eighteen years in prison and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Kind of finding out that he's been railroaded by his
own cousin and the people that live in his community.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's one of those like it's like the West Memphis
three where it's like, how the fuck did this get
as far as it did? Yeah, one of those like
these guys clearly a huge miscarriage of justice. This is terrifying.
We could go to prison at any moment for anything.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, well yes, because it's that freaky thing of like
as you pull back and realize this is happening all
over the country, all over the world where people in power,
it's an abuse of power and people just doing whatever
they want to do. Totally, there's these amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Because God, all the depositions, there's like hundreds of hours
of deposition, and.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's these people that I swear to God, if it
was a sketch show, you'd be like, that guy's too broad, Totally,
like the the mealy mouthed district attorney guy with the
little glasses and the kind of perfectly balding head that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Was like, they are so depressing like this. They are
the reasons I point to all of them that I
never want to work in an office shop again if
I can save myself, because those are the people you
work with and you fucking hate them.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And more more so for me is watching people lie.
It's so fascinating because you can smell a lie. It
doesn't matter how you think you might be good at
it or not.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
How do people know you're I think you are. Everyone
knows you're lying, and.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They're that that one sheriff who is kind of big
with the mustache, that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah drawing who did a drawing and got them framed
like a fucking disgusting like he's the guy who goes
hunting and gets like and like kills an animal with
like a shot to the head and then frames it
on his wall.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Crazy. I mean, like just the level of uh mus
and and the way that guy would talk what it
made me love that.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He talks like, I'm you're stupid. I am so much
smarter than you. I'm gonna act like it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
When nearly he's talking to a lawyer that's deposing, totally
a lawyer who gets paid to argue. So the guy's like,
let me finish. Like the lawyer ends up feeling like
a teacher, and the guys like, I don't remember such.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
A smug pieces of what do you think? Yeah, he's
just all of it. It's so gross, and then it
turns into and I think we can talk about the
crime because this is a murder that we probably would
have eventually gotten to because it's stuck with me for
so it's stuck with me because of what this woman
went through, the torture that she went through. Oh no,
did you ever hear about it before?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't know, because I'm I'm like right in the
park where they're looking for her. I mean, I obviously
know she.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Do you remember there's one where she gets kidnapped and
tied up and the nephew and the s guy raped
and tortured her. I remembered it from the because of
the nephew part. Okay, So when that started happening and
they started talking around the third episode, I was like,
oh shit. And then his nephew comes in, so I'm like, well,
this is then he did it because I remember this murder,
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but they get to it.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
It's crazy. So wait, basically, you're remembering a thing that
you saw in like a twenty twenty style thing, but
it was wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I don't Well, that's what that's what we're examining, okay,
is did he commit this murder or did they set
him up? Because this guy, Steven Avery, is now suing
the shit out of the county that put him in
jail wrongfully. And are they setting him up because this
woman disappeared?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Are they setting him up for the murder? Yeah, that's
like the question they're going to answer.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I'm positive they are. And I'm only halfway through the
second episode.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
It's great, and it's one pub because it's one of
those things with Cereal. We're episode to episode we're like,
he's guilty, He's not guilty, he's guilty, and they the
reason they found out about it is because the nephew
confessed and you're like, well, then he did it, and
then they show you they have footage of the nephew confessing,
and it is it is troubling. Oh no, Like when
you say I can tell people are lying. He's lying.
(07:02):
This kid is making this shit up and it's a
false confession. But is it I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm sorry, is it? I'm sorry to say, but it's
that weird thing. We're Also it's so much easier when
you're watching a documentary and going like, look at this guy,
because so it's been laid out for me, right, Like
if they were manipulating me to not like people are
like people. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Ever, I fall for that stuff every single totally, totally
every time. And everyone now including us, thinks we're like
fucking we're like sleuths and we're like professional and good
at this and consense things and really like we're just
we just like have a podcast and like talking about it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Well, but I'll tell you this. Here's one thing I
can sense is when a big fat, smug guy with
a mustache is lying for sure, I know, for sure,
I can tell, or what they get real like their
cadence is very condescending, like I don't remember, and it's all.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Like how would I know that? How would I remember
this from years ago?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Right? Fuck you? It's so funny.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well, it can also tell when there's a sixteen year
old in a police room being deposed by or being
questioned without parental like guardians or lawyers and being fed information.
It's fucking great. Wow, it's chilling. So my hope is
that episode ten. Don't watch it without me, like we'll
(08:19):
watch it together. Oh but I we'll get everyone together
who's watching it, because you're alive, because we're recording watch
it together.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know, that's great, something will happen. So we
just screamed the entire time, just a lot of screaming.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You can't even hear it. Yeah, yeah, let's watch ten together.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
You know what's really funny too, is I mean this
will come out later, but people, I bet a lot
of people will have watched it by the time Yes,
actually comes out.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So what's fun is it's not episodic. You can go
binge the fuck out of it right now. Yeah, it's
all on there. That's the best.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
But it seems like a bunch of people did that
because it was like a wildfire. People on Twitter being
like making have a murder, Like yeah, all of a sudden,
in a five hour block, everyone was tweeting that they
were watching it.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You're smart, Like, I feel like episodic makes people more
into something maybe makes you smarter, No, makes people more
into something?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh oh like yes, because you just sit in your
house and watch it all day and it like it
becomes your life totally.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Like now that Fargo's over, what am I gonna watch?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
For real? God bless Fargo? Right, gorgeous greatest?
Speaker 1 (09:19):
If Kirsten Dunce doesn't win all the awards, even like
the ones that don't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I'm gonna be bombed. Did I already brag to you
that I know the casting director? No, she goes to
my dog park. No, yes, she became dog park friends.
And then after chatting and she's just a total like
one of us kind of goalp Oh my god. It
turns out that and so we have each other's phone numbers,
like to text because everyone's I'll be like, oh, text
(09:44):
if you're going to go, yeah, so we'll be at
the dog park at the same time. Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And so if you're gonna go, bring Kirsten Dunce.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
But I the first episode I watched, I text her.
I'm like, this show is amazing because I was. I
loved the first season and I was like, there's no
way the second season it's going to be as good.
Is like so good, so good? That good?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So yeah, everyone go watch what is it? Making of
a murder, Making of a murderer, Making of a murderer?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Tell us about it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh, I made us a Facebook fan page, not fans.
I made my favorite murder a Facebook page. Nice, So
everyone go on there and talk about that and tell
us you're.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You're in your town. Murder all this time, right, Yes,
we want to know what's happened, what happened in your
town that you've been talking about since you were ten.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We want to know your Facebook murder or your favorite murder.
What could be the Facebook murder?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
What if there was a Facebook murderer?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh, there's a Craigslist murderer.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, not a face. It's so low rent, so bratchet.
Should we get to what our favorite murders are? Yeah?
For this episode? Yeah? Do you want to go first?
You want me to go to first? I need to
go first. You want me to go first? Yeah. This
is one of the ones where I've done less research
on it, but I know I know the story in
my heart totally. This is a These are more fun.
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It's a murder of my heart. But it's the Paul
Bernardo Carla Homolka husband and wife murder team where it
was in uh, I believe it's Toronto and in the
early nineties, and it was a weird power dynamic, abusive
(11:21):
relationship and he basically he basically got his wife to
help him lure teenage girls into their homes so that
he could rape them and ultimately murder them. And they
started off with her younger sons. I remember, it's so crazy.
(11:42):
They drugged her younger sister, who was like fourteen. They
put drugs in her drink, and then like they root
feed her and then he raped her and she videotaped it.
This is her.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Younger her younger sister.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
You thought Canada was all mata syrup and politeness totally,
And there's one exception to that rule, and it's Paul Bernardo.
But the reason I like this, aside from the insanity
of that part where they would drive around looking for
teen girls, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
So scary because you think, like you see a woman
and you're like, I'm safe. Like if something like, let's say,
for some reason, I was hitchhiking, which I would fucking
never do because I'm terrified of murder, but it happened
that I was and a couple stopped, I'd be like,
this is okay because the woman's here, Yes, so he's
not gonna murder me with his like wife or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Which is That's how you know the story of the
woman him in the box.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Oh my god, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, Georgia, the way you just did, I wish you
guys could have seen you practically winked at me. Your
like yep, like just say no more. This is a
day where Georgia knows everything I'm going to say to her.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But that girl, the woman got into the car because
it was a couple in the front seat.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And then they put her in a carpeted box. How
how fu terrifying but so awful.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
And then they ended up keeping her in a box
under the bed for seven years.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And then they tied her up. Did you see the
photo of her tied up from her trial? No, they
don't show her face, but she's like splayed naked. And
you know what the most fucked up thing about that
story is is that they brought her home to her
house to be like, look she's fine everyone, Yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And that in and of itself was this big, uh
a huge thing for him because he had her and
that idea that like, there's a syndicate that's out to
get you, so you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You can't tell her he made her He told her
that he made her sign a thing.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah that said the company. I think he called it
the com company.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I mean, would you do you want to be like
I would never believe that as soon as I've actually
I thought that this, like, I would just start screaming
the minute I got in the door of my family's
house because he was like, look, we're dating. Everything's normal, right,
so you can stop looking for her.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
But he broke her. He broke her, He broke her
in on the deepest psychological levels.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Be that hard when you're putting someone in boxes to break.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Them, It actually isn't. I don't think you if you
if you feed people like only sugar, don't let them sleep,
make them jump around. That's how cults do it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Really, sugar really that's a good.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, that's how like the Moonies would do it. Why
just because your brain is if you don't have enough protein, yeah,
and you only you only eat sugar, then you have
these weird energy bursts and you do like a lot
of crazy stuff and then you are exhausted. But then
they wake you up at three in the morning.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And can do a weird I'm putting myself in a
cult then, because I'm just constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, cookie, right, it's crazy. I need to eat
more protein. So anyway, but here's the here's my twistaroo
that's kind of a homecown story. So Paul Bernardo, who
was the husband of this hideous They of course eventually
caught him. But when they caught him, they in taking
his DNA. They linked him to a long standing set
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of unsolved rapes. They were calling them, they're calling him
the Scarborough rapist. And it was from a certain neighbor
hood in It's Toronto, right, I keep thinking it might
be Montreal, it's Canada, It's I'm pretty sure it's Toronto.
But let us know if I'm wrong. Yeah, always on
the Facebook page. Give me a thumbs up if I'm wrong.
(15:14):
But so, the Scarborough Rapist was was people were terrified.
It went on for years New York. No, no, no,
in this part of Sorry, this is the one that
I didn't look up. I'm pretty sure it's a neighborhood
of Toronto, got it. But so my friend Paul Greenberg,
who you might know him from that one year that
(15:36):
Neil Patrick Harris hosted the Emmys and he walked out
behind him and just stood and stared.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It was a bit Oh okay, he's a writer and
he's a comic. He's really funny. So anyway, he told
me this story, and this is my favorite. So the
years before uh Paul Bernardo and his wife started killing
young girl for his pleasure, there was a Scarborough rapist
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and so Paul's mother was at the time, I guess
in her seventies probably, and she lived in an apartment
building that at a swimming pool at the top, and
she's a really good artist and so she would go
up and swim laps every day, and you know, she's
retired and I think she lived by herself. Anyway, one
day she's up there swimming laps and a young man
(16:28):
comes out onto the roof, and she doesn't really think
much of it, you know, she's swimming laps, and then
she notices that he's walking along the pool as she's
swimming laps, like lapping with her walking back and forth,
and so she like looks up and sees it and
there's no one else up there.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's threatening.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So she just keeps swimming laps and he's like tracking
her and staring at her, and she's like, you know,
an elderly woman swimming and he's just like she said,
it was the scariest thing ever. And then she didn't
know what to do. At one point, she was just
treading water and like staring and didn't know what to do.
(17:06):
And then the door burst open and like three families
came out and you know, came to use the pool,
and all the kids jumped in the pool and he left. Okay,
So she got out of the pool, put on a
put on a towel. That's really important.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
When I was scared, she was slipped on some flip flops,
and she went down to her apartment and drew a.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Picture of his face. And she had to do it
while she remembered it. So then she put the picture.
She called the cops. They said, you know, it's like
a complaint or whatever. And then, however, many years it
was later, let's say three or five, when they showed
Paul Bernardo on the news for this husband and wife
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killing thing. The mom walks over and pulls the picture
out of the drawer and it's him. It was Paul
Bernardo that was doing that. And then on with DNA
they linked him. Did she call and was like listen, dudes,
Well at that point they had I think they'd already
figured out that he was also the Scarborough ing.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Holy shit, So he's scraping all over the place.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
And like and doing stuff like that, Like like was
the name essentially?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You know what sucks about being a woman is you
never know like if something is nothing or not? You know,
that's right, Like you might just see this guy pacing
and you never see him again, or you might go
in your house and he's standing in your living room.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's right, Like what is nothing?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Or like a boyfriend is stalking you or dude is
stalking you? Is it nothing? Or is this guy gonna
murder me?
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I mean not this stocking isn't awful too, but like,
is he just like obsessed for the next couple weeks
until if anyone else or is he a murderer? Right?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's like the day that I was at the dog
park alone at like seven in the morning and I
looked up and there was a guy. I thought at
first that he was chipping balls on one side of
the dog park, and then I looked and he had
a sword. Yeah, he was just swinging a sword around.
And I was just like, well, this is he or
my last downer yea, or maybe my dog will attack him,
(19:04):
but probably not, it's not really her style. Uh, And
I just waited and he eventually left.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Was he like practicing in an open space or just
being a fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
She was by the bushes, so there was a weird element. Yeah,
it wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
It's another thing aside from a woman being present, that
you're like, your guard is down, but like daytime.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yes, morning guard is down. Yeah. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Expect anything to happen, which is the why it's the
perfect time.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And the dog park the most in dog person Yeah,
where only good things happened.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
All right, smells like why would you want to go
there if you didn't have to?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, what's a what's yours?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I feel like mine's kind of okay. I'm not going
to belittle myself, all right, because this is my favorite.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm not going to belittle myself of all places, not
on our murder podcast Georgia, because this isn't an interesting
Oh oh, I.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Meant to add a thing to your thing. The woman
what's her name, car Romola got out of jail a
while ago.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh yeah, that's right, she's out that. That was a
big part of it is She tried to say that
he was controlling her mind, which some people say is
very possible because she was a victim of his abuse
as well. But at the same time, you're still responsible
though for what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You can't kill your younger sister and think that that's
just going to go. You know, did they accidentally kill
her or was it on purpose? Did they drug her
and she had an overdose? I don't remember. That could
be part of the story.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
But she's out.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That like she's just out? Yep, that's so. Let's talk
about some of the benefits of being a woman. Shorter
murder sentences, Yeah, more benefit of the doubt. Yeah, you
take some shit, you get some shit.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, and your sister's life and you killed her and
then you kill your sister.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
No, you pay one less Christmas present every year?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah? Right, Maybe that sister was a real pain in
the ass. Do you think her parents just talk to her? No?
Still probably I'd say probably. No, they know they killed
this the teen.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Sister parents are so forgiving though. I guess that the
like one line you can cross and it's like killing your.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean, who knows. It really puts them in a
bad position.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Okay, my favorite murder Okay, this is it's like a
it's not as interesting, but It's my favorite because I
feel like it changed the course of history so drastically
that everything would be different today Lincoln's assassinate No, no,
but not far from the Okay, I think our world
would be. It's such a better place if this person
(21:33):
hadn't been killed. Robert F. Kennedy. Oh, because he was
a good person in a darling JFK was just a
fucking flashy playboy.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But RFK hot take Georgia.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, I just it makes me so sad that he
was killed. And I don't think there was a conspiracy,
even though there's they're trying to make a million conspiracy
s to it. There's the girl in the polka dot dress.
Do you remember that that thing where they say there's
a girl in a book adult dress who was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Mind controlling him.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
What's the mind control thing that they called ultra?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
And she.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Mind controlled Sir hunt, Sir hun to shoot Robert F.
Kennedy and ran out They saw someone said she ran
out of the Ambassador Hotel where he was killed, screaming
we shot him. No one ever found her.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, And if you were, if you were some kind
of a super deep agent in the MK Ultra program,
would you be would you yell that.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You can get a little work, controler, I think I.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Think you'd be better at your job.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
And that's a really good point, Like you can do
all of these things, but yet you start screaming.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You snap. I mean, that's an interesting I mean, I
I don't put it past anything that the kind of
things that have gone on governmentally. Sure, I believe in
all of those. I believe in the idea that they
were trying to train people to be like sleeper murderers,
just like would wake up and shoot somebody. Do you
(23:02):
believe that, Yeah, like Vanchurian candidate style.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Because they do. You hear you fucking hear? Is that
your co that's a fucking cat screaming in the other room.
And this is why you can't sleep at night.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Maybe your cat's in pain.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
She's not. I take her to the doctor multiple times.
She's fine. Okay, she's fucking fine. She's an idiot?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Is she screaming? We shot him, spoke about outpage. Is
she the sleeper agent that we've been fearing all along?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Probably she's already ruining my life.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
You know what, if they could control cats, that would
be ill.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean, it was over the cutest army. The other
thing is she probably, if you're gonna think about it,
she wouldn't have worn a polka dot, Like why would
you wear something so like easily explainable. Right, you'd wear
a black dress, you'd wear pants, and like you would
look normal.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
There are so many ways to blend in that Polka
dots always says, Hey, look at Manny mouse over here fun,
Polka dots, white gloves. I'm here to have fun. It's
me the town slut. I'm here for the shooting.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So you really think who do they pick and why?
Just like maybe criminals that no one will believe anyways,
could be.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That could be like, you know, Jason Bourne style, you
were already in the army and then you got pulled
into some kind of special program and.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
They just put on so much LSD for so long
that your brain is as mush Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, the fuck that would suck. I know it would
be crazy. But also it's weird that, like, I don't know,
all of that stuff is so crazy because it's like
who is it the government or is it the mafia
or is it you know, the Kennedys have not had
a good time of it in terms of being murdered.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, but I think I don't know are they are
they all? Just like I think everyone in a public
place in government is just a fucking puppet.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
So it's the bit the rich big business people behind
the scenes, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The Dow Chemical family. But the guy from Fox ketchup,
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
God, totally him. Did you watch the the movie board
the shit out of me? But then I watched the
the thirty for thirty Do you ever watch this? Yeah
about it and you're like, oh, he this was so
perfect and correct.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And right and it's fucked up. It's better than the movie. Oh,
I have to see that. I loved that movie. I
was bored. And maybe because I went by myself, and
when I go see movies by myself, it makes me
feel like I'm French or something. I get real stuck
up about myself and like I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, You're you're going to see a film.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
That's right, not a movie. It's not a movie. It's
a film.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, I had no idea what to expect. Vince was like,
there's something about wrestling in it, and I was like okay,
and like I went and I was like, this is
the most boring.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I didn't know. I think the half the audience in
the theater when I went thought I was watching a
movie Correll comedy. So they only laughed when it was
like when he brings the trophy and he's like, I
have a trophy now, mother whatever. He did some weird
speech and everyone's like kinda laughed, but they were just
confused the whole time. Oh my god, they were watching
a movie. You were watching a film. I was there
(26:07):
for the film in my red poked audio, it's good.
You should watch the thirty for thirty of it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Okay, Yeah, Am I allowed to do boring murders like that? No?
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yes, because it's it's more of the concept of it,
like what was he up to that they needed to
take him out?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, here's the thing, is the reason. But see the
problem with me is what I that I have is
that the reason Sir Hans Sirhan, who was arrested and
is in prison for life for it, was killed him
makes complete sense, whereas like, what's his little squirreling name
who killed Lee Harvey har It's like it doesn't really
sound like so Sir Han RFK was a supporter of Israel.
(26:46):
Sir Hans Sir Haan was a Palestinian jordan Jordanian immigrant
and the day, the day that RFK was killed was
on the anniversary of the start of the Six Days War.
So he killed RFK for his support of Israel, which
is talking through. The Six Days were real fast. Israel
kicked the kicked ass for like six days. Oh, it
(27:09):
was a bad I have a whole book on it
if you want. It's real boring, it's real boring.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Is that how they they set up the strip or whatever? Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah? Probably?
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Is that how they got their walls?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I know nothing about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But so he yeah, so that makes sense of the
why this crazy person. There wasn't a lot of bodyguards
going on at the Ambassador Hotel. RFK had just won
the Democratic or was about to win the preliminaries.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
In California.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So he's at he's in a room full of people
who are supporting him.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
So he's not that much you know, a reason to
fear things, right, yeah, right, well, but but there's got
to be The weird thing is what didn't that guy
work at the hotel?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Oh, he didn't do that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Real see the bus boy, I thought.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He was like at least us up like a busboy.
Oh maybe there are people who have dedicated their lives
to studying mission and they hate it's so much. Did
that happen at a hotel?
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Listen, we am here at my favorite murder. We're fucking
talking mat shit. And if you want something more than that,
then you need to go watch the documentary.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Then read your books.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, Like we're not pretending to be good talkers, no,
uh so? Yeah. And then there's also a theory that
if you listen to the recording, there are more than
eight shots fired, which Sir Hunt, Sir Hunt only had
a gun in a twenty two caliber with eight rounds
in it. Wow, but you can hear like up to thirteen. Maybe,
(28:45):
so maybe there's a second shooter.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, it sounds like there would have to be unless
it was echoing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
But I just feel like if you watch documentaries about RFK,
his like his stance on racism and what he was
doing for the poor and for minorities was so extreme
from anything we've anyway we've ever treated people before. I
think our world would have been in a fucking much
better place. I think that honestly, Like, I think that
(29:13):
there was a break in the space time continue him
and everyone else when he didn't die got to live
in a great fucking world and we're stuck in this
bullshit where he got killed. Wow, I really do think
there was like a what do they call them, alternate reality?
Alternate reality, a sliding doors during Gene Yes and Gwyneth Paltrow.
We got stuck with her in this one and then
(29:35):
the other one. There's no Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
The other one at Sandy Bullock the whole time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, all Sandy Bullock all the time, good times, life
is better and here we are.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Well that's dark, but I kind of think you. I
like the concept of it, Like, imagine a world where somebody,
a leader who actually really did have the people's best
intentions ever got through because that's almost seems impossible these days.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
I think he had. I think he had that, and
I think we didn't deserve it, and he couldn't.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
He couldn't live because we didn't deserve it. I'm such
a good person.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm not you, and I'm clearly you and I are
like the.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Best, right, I'm I'm super nice to everybody all the time.
I'm really understanding. Hut, I'm so patient. I'm so patient
and kind.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I don't care when people drive like shit. I won't
scream at them.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't scream terrible things out the window of my
car people or at others.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
We don't sit at a diner and talk shit on
every single person.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Oh my god, is it time use our second podcast,
Diner Time, where we talk public mad shit, where.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
We don't know we're mic, and we just talked shit
on every single person.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That would be I feel like I can't believe that
hasn't happened yet. Just truth, just like a well, I mean,
I think there are some people that do podcasts mistakenly,
but the idea of that a gossip podcast where people
just talk shit, you listen to it every if they
put out five a week, you'd listen to everyone. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
But can we be anonymous and no one knows who
we really are?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, we can't Astulia for us?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well maybe two other random girls. Haven't a podcast done
ferral Adio.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (31:11):
And it's just these two anonymous girls and they talk
mad shit. They sound a lot like those girls from Ohio. Yeah,
yoh yeah, yeah yeah yea, yeah, yeah, those girls, they're bitches.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Let's talk shit on those girls. Let's talk shit, mad shit. Okay, yeah,
So that's that's Those are two good ones. Those are
those are pretty good ones. Here's the first thing I
thought of when you said Robert Kennedy, you know how
he had a hand in shutting down that. I shouldn't
(31:41):
get into this one because it's a whole other topic quick.
It's a I think it was called Westbrook or Brookhaven
or Summy Brook or whatever, but it's that mental hospital
that's on Long Island or Staten Island. I mean that
got shut down in the sixties because they were basically
just taking developmentally disabled children and throwing them into big
(32:04):
dark rooms, oh my god, and hosing them off every day,
and like it was so I think it was one
of Heraldo's first expose as.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
He went in there.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I remember that, and they like on this single light
on the camera, it looks like a horror movie from
today where it's just kids huddled up. And when Robert
Kennedy saw that, he went and shut that place down himself.
That's the first thing I thought of. But that's where
they think there's a serial killer that lives on the
grounds of that hospital.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
That there's a there's a what's it called something see, Yes,
there's a Clancy Clancy or something like that. That's it
called I know it box of the movie. There's a Netflix.
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It's really good. It's called Stocksy Cropsy.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Cropsy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
That's it, cropsy. It's really good and creepy.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Remember a word with Karen and Georgia.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Sound it out and work it out.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's a Banksy. Oh my god, we just saw who Banksy.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Issy's crops thanks. He's killing developmentally disabled children on staff.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, that's some fucked up shit. And unfortunately they also
then like Reagan and Nixon just opened the fucking asylums
and let everyone go, and which is why we have
this homeless problem and mental illness issue.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
My mom was a psychiatric nurse and she in the
late seventies and early eighties when that proposition came up.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
It was Reagan.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It was Reagan, Sorry, sorry, Nixon. Nixon was long on.
But she used to rant about it every single night,
and she called, exactly what's happening today. She's like, these
people will have nowhere to go. They will be wandering
on the streets, they'll be assaulting people. They'll be like,
these people need to be taken care of. And this
is the coldest like the idea that a leader would
(33:45):
be like that, you don't take care of the people
that need help the most, and you just shut off
all funding for that and say it's not our problem
creates six such huge problems. Listen, I'm going to say
it right now.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I would rather pay more taxes to get people mental
fucking help and not have as much money myself then
live in a world where we don't fucking take care
of people in there are just rampant mental illness and
homeless and starving people.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And yeah, and that idea of it's too bad for you,
like I got mine? Yeah, when how did you even
get yours? People helped you?
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Right, totally horrible. Everything is horrible. And if RFK hadn't died,
that would have never happened.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
What if he went and fist fought Reagan and that
was like it was an actual battle, Not hear fist.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Fought something totally else. And I just can't give it
to myself.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And that's what I just heard when you said I
was like, why did she say that? But you thought
what I saw. You said, fist spot a past tense
of fistfight is what I said. That's not what I heard.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh uh, yeah, they should have fought.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
They should have they should have fist fought.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Or where am I?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
In alternative universe Pville, there is just the most beautiful asylums.
And we go there sometimes when we just need a break.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yep, you know a garden.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, rest, and everyone knows how to properly prescribe medication.
And the medication is free, flowing, overflowing, just bowls of
medication everywhere, like fountains, fountains of prozac. I'll take it,
open my mouth, just like stick my head under the
I get some. Sure, just relax. Yeah, there's the adderall fountain.
(35:28):
It's never abused. That great.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Everyone graduates from college.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh drugs, that's okay. So now is the time in
our lives when we have a guest tell us there. Uh,
they're our favorite thing in the world. Their town crime. Yes,
we love it. Like, what's the crime that happened in
your town that like you remember when you were a
kid and you're like, holy shit, this thing happened. It's amazing.
(35:58):
Tell us on Facebook page we're just calling it Facebook page.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Now, tell us facebook page, the Facebook page.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Tell us on Facebook page, your town. Don't message us
because we don't care. Put it on the page, like
so everyone can bask in it. Yeah, don't put a link,
like tell it in your fucking words. Put a link
to because that's cool.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
But it's almost like a creepy pasta that you're writing totally,
but it's your it's true. Yeah, like what the truth?
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Tell us? Don't pack it up?
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well know, oh yeah, we can fact check this. We
won't fact check it. We can fact check it. We will,
all right.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
So our story this week comes from our friend Ali
Ward who she is a friend of mine. We're on
shit together. She's also on Innovation Nation on Saturday Mornings.
Alley Ward. You can find her by that name on everything. Okay,
so let's listen to her message.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Hey, what's up, Nally? So okay, you asked me to
call and tell you about this murder that happened in
my high school. And I went to school in Arenda, California,
which is very wealthy, nice subverer near Berkeley. I went
to Marrimante and they had a really good college prep program.
They had like a Latin program. So my family moved
(37:08):
in the area and Solver graduated. But Writta was known
for being this very tony suburb with this horrendous like
so touch a stupid murder that it seems fake. But
what happened was this girl named Kirsten Costas was a
popular girl. She was from a very affluent family as well.
(37:29):
She was like a cheerleader, and she was part of
the sorority program at my high school, which founds like like, well,
I'm sorry in the high school, but yeah, it was
like there were sororities in my high school. That's how
much extra monity people had. So there were these two
competing sororities. Anyway, there was a girl named Bernadette Protty
who was in the lesser sorority I think, and she
(37:51):
was really jealous of Kirston and she's always trying to
befriend her. But she told her at one point that
she was going to take her to this dinner for
new pledges or whatever. And according to the police workers
or whatever, they went to this dinner, Kirstin was like
annoyed because there wasn't food being served. I don't know,
because that part sounds weird. Because I want cheer later
(38:12):
and then I eats like none of them. Anyway, Bernadette
apparently got weird according to Kirsten, and then Kirsten fled
to a neighbor's house. He said, my friend's acting weird.
They're like, okay, i'll drive you home. So they this
like neighbor drove her home and then there was a
Pinto following them the whole way. In the Pinto was
(38:32):
Bernadette Parratti with an eighteen inch knife knife in her
car and her Pinto. So the neighbor drops off Kerson.
Bernadette runs up to the door as the neighbor thought
he saw office fight, but no, it was a nice fight,
the one person NiFe fight, and Bernadette just stabbed the
(38:53):
shit out of Kurstonycrossa and totally killed her. She died
before she got to the hospital, and I got sentenced,
but she she got out by the time. She was
like twenty three, but she she wasn't even implicated for months.
She passed a lie detector test and like, I guess
no one saw that it was her doing stabbing. I
don't know why. They were like, who dragged the Pinto
(39:14):
and they were like, oh, it's Bernadette. She killed her.
I don't know that. I don't know. But they made
a movie called Death of a Cheerleader during Tory spelling
as person who gets stabbed, and there's more that Heathers
is based on the high school I went to, which
is why I was gone when I went there and
(39:35):
I was like, I'm grabbing any.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Part of this. Two guys.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Nobody wants to be friends with me anyway anyway.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Murder.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Oh that's such a big blade, O.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
My lord.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Anyway, don't join shorty. They're full of bad people.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, Wow, holy Mac, she really hit it out of
the park on that.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's a good story.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Uh, cheerleaders stabbing each other. Yeah, I can't believe she's out.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
She got out. Why do people get out?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Yeah, well, uh, because they were start young and then
it's like insanity. Maybe fuck man, it'd be good to
know about that one. Yeah, because that's a It gives
you a lot of hope. Definitely changed her name.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I'm really fascinated with, like child murderers, Like there's a
Mary Bell. There's those two boys in England who took
the kidnapped that little kid out of them all so
they all got out by the time they were you know,
not even a They got out of eighteen or whatever
the fuck changed her name and laughed and I just
want to talk to them so bad.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, because if you're a child murderer, something hideous is
happening to you. That's the fascinating thing about the Mary
Bell case. Her mother was selling her to men when
she was a child. Got I mean, they're the rage
that was in her. It doesn't come from nowhere. It's
not just like, oh, I'm it was impulsive or whatever.
This is someone acting out and it's like a weird
(41:00):
cry for help. Totally. There's a really good, like a
British made for TV movie about Mary Bell. Really yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
That kind of goes into that fucking vintage murders. Man,
come on, they're so interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Because you take it on the face fell and it's
just like, oh, that's crazy, like a six year old
that murdered a little boy. Yeah that's not Yeah, there's
more to it. Always fuck what was the sorry?
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I have a message from Ali Ward?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Hold on, Ali Ward called Dustin. She forgot to mention
that the murderer's sister said she kept an eighteen inch
knife in her Pinto to slice vegetables while she drove
as one. Does you know what I smell?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
A rat? I smell?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Listen, man, if I know one of my siblings are
guilty of murder, I'm going to fucking tell on you.
Yeah you know why, because the siblings of the murdered
person matter more.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I'm also, you know, as a creative person, I would
take pride in the lie. Then I'm telling and icing
vegetables while I drive. Sure is a poor It's a
poor lot.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I mean, and we all know you. All you do
is use a fucking exact knife. What are those blades
called that are like a box cutter? Yeah, right, when
you cut your vegetables in the car, just use a
fucking box cutter.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Or just some kitchen scissors. Yeah, chop up. Uh yeah,
nothing about that even makes sense that it's what do you?
Let's get her on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
What are we? What fuck were you thinking? Like, let's
piss her off on the podcast and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Also, think of an eighteen inch blade is six inches
longer than a twelve inch late.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, it's more, it's like a kitchen knife feet long.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
A kitchen knife is like a twelve inch.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, so that's even like, think of a kitchen knife,
not think of an extra blade on top of it.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Double blade.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
We're going into katana sword area. Yeah, with the length
of this knife. Let's put the knife show on.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Let's see get cutler cornor going.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Is the best. If you don't watch, if you don't
get high and watch the Knife Show, I don't smoke hot.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
I'm not con donate it. Something is wrong with you.
Sometimes it's on perfectly, like right after our comedy show's over.
That's happened when I was in San Francisco. We came
back and it was like two fifteen, and I couldn't
go to sleep, and I was like, well, look, who's here,
all the assorted knives, that's the one. Should we wrap
it up? Wrap it up? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Go to Facebook page, Facebook page, go to any Facebook
page anyone, and talk about us and visit people and
just live your life. Yeah digitally. Yeah, don't leave your house.
You're gonna get murdered if you leave your house.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
And definitely talk about us on Facebook page. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
I talk about us on Facebook page and tell everyone
and read it to listen. I feel like Reddit people
would like this podcast a lot, but I'm not on Reddit.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I thought it might be frustrating to some Reddit types
who like facts facts and like a fluidly chronologically told story.
Please again, go watch the documentary. Was what were were
here for? We're like, we like, we're like a puree.
We're like a jamba juice of facts.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, yeah, that we're like, we were like one of
those two guys in uh in Vegas who played with tigers. Yep,
were those guys with the tigers, Like, we're not going
to find out the history of tigers and like what
they're you know what they're about. You're going to see
the best part of the tiger and our tans and
our tans.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah yeah, our teeth are tans, the best part of
the tiger, and.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Probably don't get mauled by our tiger, which is the
murders that can I just say this.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
And then we'll The day that there was the story
in the paper of how the it was either Sigfried
or Rory, can remember which one got attacked. But the
day that was in the paper about him being mauled
by the tiger was the same day that they caught
the Green River Killer. And I remember going from reading
the la times, and it went from like one small
(44:57):
story turned the page the other small story where it's
like both of these stories are the hugest thing to
happen in the last twenty years, and they're both like
four columns, like tiny, tiny stories.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
People don't know what's important anymore, No, they really don't,
you know. It's like our media man is like telling
us how to live. Yeah, well that's a good I
like that. It's a little tie, a little bow tie
on tib Hey listen to us on other stuff and
go to us on other places. We have other things,
We live other lives sometimes, but we're slowly building so
(45:31):
that this takes over everything. Yeah, make sure this takes
over everything for your life too.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Get obsessed with this. Yep, there you go. We're Karen
and Georgia. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Thanks
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Welcome to "Decisions, Decisions," the podcast where boundaries are pushed, and conversations get candid! Join your favorite hosts, Mandii B and WeezyWTF, as they dive deep into the world of non-traditional relationships and explore the often-taboo topics surrounding dating, sex, and love. Every Monday, Mandii and Weezy invite you to unlearn the outdated narratives dictated by traditional patriarchal norms. With a blend of humor, vulnerability, and authenticity, they share their personal journeys navigating their 30s, tackling the complexities of modern relationships, and engaging in thought-provoking discussions that challenge societal expectations. From groundbreaking interviews with diverse guests to relatable stories that resonate with your experiences, "Decisions, Decisions" is your go-to source for open dialogue about what it truly means to love and connect in today's world. Get ready to reshape your understanding of relationships and embrace the freedom of authentic connections—tune in and join the conversation!