23 - Making A Twenty-Thirderer

Karen & Georgia focus on their favorite survivor murder stories, featuring an escape from The Chessboard Killer, and the harrowing story of a pregnant woman fighting for her life. Plus a rad listener hometown murder and tons of banter.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome, but you couldn't hear.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Is Karen and I just smiling, just doing fake, fake
podcast faces to each other as we were about to
introduce this Welcome to my favorite murder stirring Georgia Hartstark.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
That's her, Hi, and Karen go, Gareth, Hi, that's me.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're really good at them pot like long pauses, and
so I'm like, am I is she waiting for me
to jump in?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
And then you mean I'm good at like putting putting
them in and making you unsure as to what you're
supposed to do. Yes, but that's us. I like to
keep mystery in the relationship.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
You looked tan uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Did you have a chan? No? I have a red
face because my favorite celebrity was talking to me on
Twitter and so my cheeks got really red and they
wouldn't stop they stop being read.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Karen, it's like significant, I've never seen you before.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Now this is what it looks like. Holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
You don't just say who it is, but oh my god,
I know, well he knows who he is because that's
why he talks. You get flushed when you when someone
talks to you that you like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
That's cute. I've never seen you speak to someone you like,
then I know it doesn't happen that often. You don't
like any of our friends. It's just, you know, there's
some there's some good uses for Twitter, that's all I'll say.
That's so cute, aren't I precious? Also, I was I
was driving into the sun essentially, okay, driving home from work,

(01:49):
so that it was a combo thing too. But I
don't think I've ever seen your arms.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
You took your sweater off because it's one hundred one
thousand degrees, that's right, and tan as fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well, yeah, I guess I am a little bit. I
think this is just from how hot it's been.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Really never I don't think I've ever seen you in
a short sleeve shirt. You're adorable, freckles, let's talk about
you adorable and well, yeah, I think these parts. I mean, like,
look at this farmer's stand.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Though it's hilarious, I gotta get that that is not
a gnarly farmers stand. Do not take a picture of this, Stevens.
Could you imagine it? It looks like it looks like
I'm an apple picker professionally. This the farmer's tan that
I have going It totally does you know? No, it's summer.

(02:40):
Summer Karen is in full effect right now. I got
botox today, you did. We're gonna go ahead and talk
about let's get this is full. Let's just tell all
of our secrets.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
God, I wish I had like what is it called sacked?
Should any kind of shame?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I love it? Secrets? Who cares? At this point? Everyone
gets it? Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
If I care that people like I was trying to
hide botox, that wouldn't be me. It's like lying about
your age.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Also, every person that lives in this town would have
to be hiding it.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, and you know what else, half the other people
should get botox because fuck, it's like the best.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
It's the best. Wait, let me put my glasses back on.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
You can't tell.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
It takes like a week for it to work, but
you can see.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Like a little bit of a bruise coming up.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh and then what happens? Everything tightens up?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, it doesn't tighten, it's just kind of yeah, it
just the muscles stop working, so there's no wrinkles.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh, it's just great.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I love it and I don't care how fucking vappit
I sound.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
But it's not vapid.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's not vapid. You're on camera personality. Yeah, that's kind
of shit. You just don't. I mean if people know,
like when you see yourself on camera, it's the physical
equivalent of when you hear your voice on an answer
it's nightmarish, or in a podcast, especially HD on a
huge TV.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Oh please, And in general too, it makes you feel
better about myself of course, who cares?

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And also every single person that you see on television
over the age of twelve is filled with botox for sure.
You know why, because it's awesome. Does it works? So
it's so great until they start. What they need to
do is they need to develop some kind of a
computer program that can just automatically go in and pull
out wrinkles. Yeah, that's what they need to do. But

(04:24):
until then, it's on the individual.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Performat and it's oh man, I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I just love it. Do you feel like spinning in
a circle like it's like a pretty girl in a
dress with an apron on the front.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I get carsick really easily, so I think that would
be a mistake. But I give money to charity too.
It's not like this is my.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Only girl you're in Hollywood, You're Hollywood on camera presence.
You are a star of the Food Network, you are
a dessert queen.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You don't want wrinkles in that shit? No, I don't
need it, although I have them and support them one
hundred a crevice in my forehead that a while ago,
I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
with this.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, like I'm how gray hair. When they're like, I'm
just gonna let my hair grow gray.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I can't do that yet because if I did, I
could go completely gray really fast. Now. You I like
your dark hair, you do?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
I need it?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah? I need it.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I feel the same way bangs like I just they're
my comfort exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
This is I need some dark hair leftover from my
nineties mod We call it a mod slash goth phase.
I didn't really ever commit to anything entirely except for beer.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
But I need the hair. I need some darkness around
shirt at all times. Bang's inna fucking bob.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Hairtro lip and a hoop, earing and a beer and.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah and like yeah, like a like lip line are
only no lipstick? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (05:54):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I just kind of went that way. Hey, I finished
the Simpson show. Oh you you haven't the New Simpsons
and you love it? So we're talking about the O. J.
Simpson made an America document thirty for thirty documentary Unbelievable?

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Did you watch? Did you see the crime scene photos for?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Oh my?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Okay? So here's what they do.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
They everyone was like the episode four hardcore crime scene photos,
like just be prepared, so they showed them and four. Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Then I'm I think I'm halfway through four, so I
have okay, so they show you.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
They show them and I'm like, oh, I must be
so fucking crazy and do sensitized because this is nothing.
It was just like oh and then suddenly it's a
fucking up close of.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Her neck wound.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Oh of Nicole Simpsons sorry, Nicole Brown's neck wound. I
haven't seen that, like no warning, and I thought like,
oh I can I can see that, like her sad, sad,
crumpled body. His body really kind of did get to me.
Not Goldman man. It's so sad.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I just.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
You know, he like he like came upon her being attacked.
It's not even like I always thought that they were
there together. And OJ freaked out because he thought they
were dating. Right, he wasn't even there yet when the
attack on Nicole started.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Oh they say that in the documentary. That's like proven fact.
It's yeah, she wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
She got attacked during the end, fell to the ground,
and that's when he came in. Oh, and she was
just bringing her mom's reading glasses that she had left
at the restaurant where he laved the tables.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Nightmare and nightmare for that mom. I mean she would
I mean, oh yeah, because to have that connection of like, oh,
I needed my glass back and then they yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Oh yeah, that bothered me and that I keep thinking
about him and anyway, it's not good. Yeah, so you
should finish it.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I will definitely finish it. I think it's like every
time I go home after a day of work where
I'm like a little bit wrung out, little tired. I
just want to listen to British people. Oh I tried it.
Speaking of which, what the chateel h did the It's
a Reading Show? I tried to watch episode to last

(08:12):
night and I fell asleep almost immediately, and I kept
closing my eyes going now, I don't know what's happening
because I'm not looking, because I'm not reading.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
But I love it. I was bored four minutes. In
four minutes, I'm gonna try it again and try it
some more.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Too much reading, No, uh too.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Like fucking dramatic, like too dramatic, like just too like
you know, like the cute officer is.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Like a cheerio. You can take the body and like
take this murder.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
It's all your spite, and then it's like but then
the body follows apart in half the.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Spoiler alert, what body? I mean in the first two minutes, No,
I know what I mean. No, I think I hear
what you're saying. I accept what you're saying. I think
it's interesting though, Like I like that it's like the
French female cop who's of course a beautiful young French octress,
but is also playing this borderline autistic, very all business bitchy,

(09:12):
kind of bitchy and like kind of like, I don't
care if you're making a joke. I don't care if
you're being charming.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
I'm saying, but I'm saying I want everyone, and I'm
saying bitchy and like bitchy, like it's fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't feel like bitch, bitch, bitch, I'm going to
try it again. Like I pretty much ninety from the time,
hate every show, like the first ten minutes. Yeah, I'm like,
I hate the show, but.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Because it's hard to get used to new things.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
That's true. Speaking of new things, I have a present
for you and for me from a listener.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Is this our first listener like viewer?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Male?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, I have a listener, male. I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I have a PO box, so if anyone wants to
send us shit, you can message me and if you're
not insane and have okay, grandmar, I'll give you our
PO box number. So Caroline Abernathy sent us a present.
Caroline to my PO box. She's a sweet baby angel.
Have you already opened it? I fucking have and I

(10:11):
know she already. She was like, I'm sending you this thing,
and I'm like, great, oh awesome. I'll tell Karen so
the first thing I thought of. It's full of live moms.
I haven't opened Creepy Taboo and that's how they died.
Uh So she so she can. She sells this in
her etsy shop. It's called her etsy shop is anime
gravy with a capital A. I don't know if that's necessary,

(10:33):
like you have to put it in or whatever. Right,
are you ready for this present? Have I mic down
real quick?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay, she's she's unscrolling a small it's the Stay Sexy,
Don't Get Murdered with Elvis in the owl poster. We
each have our own. Yes, oh my god, this is gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Oh you know, so this chick is so for new listeners,
I mean got with the but uh so we always.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
First of all, first of all, let us reprimand you
by being for being right. So this is amazing.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Stay Sexy Don't Get Murdered is our catch the thing
we always say or catch or catchphrase.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
No, it's just something we started saying and people my
catchphrase is what are you talking about? Willis? That's right?
I forgot.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
And then Elvis, my cat is holding who's like it
looks just like him.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
It looks exactly like him.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
And the owl, of course is the owl theory from
the staircase.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Which is very funny. A lot of people pointed out
on the Facebook page, We've never really talked about that
on the podcast. It's like, oh you you and I've
personally talked about and just reference.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Right, we've mentioned it being a theory. Yeah, we haven't
like discussed if we believe it.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think it's like we've discussed how we've discussed it essentially.
So there's a lot of people who are like when
it's disgusted. Yeah, it is disgusting and it is amazing.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
And it's like my it's like, look, it's the color
of my walls too.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's like this, like that's weird mint green that I'm
up with. Beautiful, it's so cute. This is the best.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
So you guys can go to anime gravy and you
can buy it. I want to tell everyone it's just
ten dollars, but I feel like she should up the
price right now, so.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
It's worth more than ten.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's only twenty five dollars. Caroline ABERNEFFI, yeah, that's really cool.
Thank you so much for I haven't read the note. Actually, oh,
let's see should read the note. Yes, dear Karen and Georgia,
I'm so happy that you like my drawing. Thanks for
always making me laugh, then feel bumbed as fuck about
all the murders, and then smile like by asking Elvis
if he wants a cookie. I've injured as multiple friends

(12:33):
to your podcast. It's the perfect friend filter to see
who's cool enough to hang out with. Murderingos nice, you
two rock so fucking hard. Stay sexy, don't get murdered, Caroline,
thank you? Oh my god, that's I love it so much.
That's really exciting. I'm gonna get it framed.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I love it now greedily. The next thing I was
immediately going to say is now I want one of
those little heat like those little pendants that say stay sexy, don't.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Get murder If we need to give her a shout out.
Let me see here I think we did once. Yeah,
totally high.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I'm someone who's named Flossy, right or is that a.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Let's let's hey, Steven, will you look that up for
us since you're here?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh you guys. This month, this week we have a
sound recording engineer, right, Remember how we had technical difficulties
last week, Stephen.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm helping us the sound not get murdered. Stephen Ray Morris,
who you know and love from the Facebook group, is
helping us because tectives last week.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
We're trying to get up. We're just trying to be professional,
you know, how we you know, how we strive and
aspire to be better every week.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I've never felt worse about like we been more about
about not having a belt ready. When you said that,
I'm like, you know me, I'm fucking belch.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Get one ready and then drop it in as a
surprise at some point during the podcast and it will okay.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Great. Do you have any housekeeping? Oh, the shirts are okay,
the shirts are done printing. Nice. They're going to the
the whatever shipper this week.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know rest.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I mean, I think as long as people know what
the schedule is, yeah, it'll help. So they just don't
think that they threw twenty five.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Dollars to go in. The shirts are coming, I'm so
I'm sorry. We'll I'll get them at the same time.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, I'll have a whole shirt discussion, right, totally, We'll
I'll wear them on the same day. It's going to
be crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
And also on our Patreon, I'm posting some of the
better hometown murders we've been emailed, just as like blog
posts for free because they're so good and whatever. So
good to our patreon anyways, our patreon that we still
don't want. I haven't set up correctly, right, it's set up.
We just haven't put any paid content on it yet.
Oh okay, all right, I don't we'll do that. We

(14:37):
were you know, we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So rich?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Do you need the money?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I mean, yeah, seriously, I have absolutely no financial worries.
What's Dittoh my whole face turns red again. Do you
have any housekeeping I don't think so, except for I
got up this morning. I want to say thank you,
and yet at the same time, God damn you Facebook page,
because I got up this morning. Every morning I wake
up like between thirty and seven Jesus, and I have

(15:02):
to be at work at ten thirty, and most of
the time I walk in like at ten thirty one
or ten twenty nine because I start drinking coffee and
reading that Facebook page and I can't stop. And it's
it's so crazy and it's the hugest time suck, like
I should save it for the evening.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
But I love getting up and just I mean, you know,
it's the opposite. I can't go to sleep until two
in the morning because you're on it. I'm just scrolling.
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
We're just bookending that thing. Yeah, it's really fun and yeah,
so join it if you haven't yet.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh, I just remembered the podcast that I love that
I go to sleep too, called Sleep with Me Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, he gave us a shout out.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
He gave me a shout out, and gave my favorite
murder a shout out.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I was listening to it, and I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I was fast forwarding in the beginning because he talks
about like who's Oh, we have the person who oh, let's.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
See her name?

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Is it one of theo Is it one of those people?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yes, it is cool, but I don't know what. I
just touched the pictures. Something happen.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
No, we don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's that one.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh we just have to do a step by step.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
He I was fast forwarding through the part that I
don't care about. The beginning.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Say, everybody's a skipper in some way.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I skipped the very beginning, but not the like good stuff.
So and I heard Georgia h and as I'm skipping,
and I was like, wait a second, hey, go back,
and he was like he is just like so sweetie,
like gives everyone a shout out. So and he said
my favorite m dial m for like he could on
a sleep podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
He didn't want to say the word murder, which I love.
That's sweet.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, if you guys have insomnia, listened to the Sleep
with Me podcasts, it's it's my new ambient.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's great. It's so fucking good. That's really. Oh, that's
so exciting.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
That nice.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Oh you know what, we got a shout out and
people have talked about it on the doll Up, and
I just wanted to give people We already talked about
how he called you Georgina who besticking. I don't know
if he he asked me for your email, so an email, okay,
I'm sure he's going to email you along and involved.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
I'm sure it's an apology.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
But if you like, the doll Up is Dave Anthony
and Gareth Reynolds and they tell weekly. Uh, I think
it's actually bi weekly. They go over crazy historical stories
from America, Australia, anywhere, and they're insane, Like there's this
one I would start with that's about bathing suits, like

(17:25):
men's bathing suits and the why that's you know, the
boys and men used to be required to swim naked
until like the sixties. No I swear to god, it's
the craziest story where you're like, it's like, anyway.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
They have all these I love fucking stupid history. I
love stupid historical facts that you just like wouldn't know.
That's the doll up one hundred percent. Dave basically reads
the story.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Gareth's never heard the story before, and they do yes exactly,
and then just like riffs thing. It's really hilarious. It's
one of my favorite podcasts. But anyway, so they gave
us a shout out. These people were like, oh, that's
so weird. I love that podcast. And then so Dave
told me. I said, I texted Dave and said thank you.
And then I said, is it okay if I tell

(18:09):
them that you were my first comedy boyfriend? Because Dave
Anthony and I dated in the boyfriend Yeah, he was
my boyfriend. He was my first real boyfriend when I
lived in San Francisco. Oh my god. And so I said,
is it okay if I tell them you were my
first comedy boyfriend? And then he just texted back in
all caps. There were others, which was hilarious. So I

(18:29):
think people like a little inside the inside scoop of
fun stuff because people just think that we're all like
it's I just think it's funny that people are like,
that's so weird. My favorite podcast, The Dull Up gave
a shout out to my favorite murder and it's like, yeah,
I've known Dave for almost thirty years.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Well, I feel like the comedy the comedian people like
you've met them all. And I actually asked you before, like, hey,
can I give this podcast a shout out?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Because I don't know if you hate this always to
get to check you.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Might have history with this fucking person. And I'm definitely
willing to be pissed that I right. So yeah, you know,
I mean, you know everyone, Okay, we know who these
keychains are made by. There's their metal and they're stamped
with stay sex you don't get Murdered.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
They're amazing with a little heart at the bottom. Yeah, yes,
it's by Etsy Seller. My heart has plans do it.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
My heart has planned.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
So if you just, I honestly just googled stay Sexy,
Don't get Murdered Etsy and that was like the first thing,
and then the cross stitching one that popped up, Shit
comes up.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
There's some good stuff on there. We're googleable. Oh we
I think ari uh or Alex asked us is if
it was okay if people posted their Etsy shop links
on the page, please, right, please make that money please
if you have, if I mean they do. It does
have to be relevant to our podcast though. We can't

(19:45):
just have any old crazy yarn doll that you make.
Let's not get nuts. Yeah, although someone did tweet me
a picture that they made of a little Richard Ramirez.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Did you see that on the Twitter that they may
have done it straight to my or did were you
on there? Does they have sucked up teeth?

Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, that would be so amazing if she had pushed
in little real baby teeth, oh richer, poor little months
shards of teeth. I think that's it. I think that's
our housekeeping.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Thanks for listening, but nice wee to go reason to
the podcast. My first this week?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I think I was first. Thank you're right with
the old son beans.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Oh right. So as at last week we talked, we
did a fifteen hundreds murder, which we were both like
that was a mistake.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
What I liked is when I relistened to it, we
just it's just so clearly reading it was like we
were being forced to read book reports in front of
our class. That's what it sounded like. We tried to
have fun with it, but I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Know, okay, so we gave ourselves another We gave ourselves
an ice survived theme. And I think from now on,
we let's do a couple more weeks of no theme,
no theme after this.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But I do I do once again? Did you get
painted into a box? No? No, No? I like this one.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I think it's cool and it's something I've never heard
of and it's creepy and fucked up and oh good,
I like it.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's for sure. But yeah, I like to go wild.
You just like to be yourself and decide what you
want to do in the last second. Do I want
to do?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Me?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
You just you're on your journey. I'm positive that my
uh vocal fry has gotten worse since we started this podcast.
You sound a little like you're getting over a thing.
You know what's weird? I had a little throaty feeling
last night.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Or are you getting over hanging out with me and
taking my and I'm over it and getting my vocal
fry it's catching, you know? Hate vocal fries. Fifty two
year old single, divorced dads. Those are the only people
who complain about it.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Sounds like you're thinking of someone very specific.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
My own.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
No, my guess my dad. Do you see he keeps
commenting on our shit.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Yeah? He used totally into it, isn't he. He keeps
writing like he always writes, like you go, girl. He's
seriously like I used to have a blog and I
didn't tell them about it. And then I started getting
posts that were like you go girl. I'm like, that's
my fucking dad, I know it. And then one day
he was like, so, how's your blog? His name's Martin Raight, Marty, Marty, like,
how's your blog? I fucking knew you were You go girl.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
He loves you. He's so proud of so sweet. He's
so supportive. My dad heard from He said, Hey, there's
a fireman whose daughter and all her friends listen to
your murder podcast, I swear to God. And I was like,
uh oh. He texted it to me and he goes,
what's it called? And I said my favorite murder and
he goes, how come you don't tell me about it?
And I go because there's a ton of swearing and

(22:42):
we talk about murder the whole time, and then he
was like, ah, you or something. I was like, I
hope to god my father never listens to this. I
don't care if mine does. I bought him. I bought
him in my favorite murder shirt. Oh nice.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
So you see an older man, a distinguished older man,
walking around New Orleans within my with my favorite murder
shirt on.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
With two cartoony girls on his shirt. That might be
Marty Mariy Mardy. He's the best.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Okay, sorry, no, we could do this all day, all right,
So my favorite Murder I Survived edition? Sweet? So do
you know about Alexander Pichunski Pishunski, Pishunskin.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Hold on a second.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
You know when you like write and write and write
all day and then you never say it out loud
yet what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Should have practiced that?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Pish Hushkin, Pishushkin. Listen.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
He's Russian, okay, and they murdered my people.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Puchkin pushchikin. No, I don't know, Sushkin, Pishushkin, Pusheshkin. I
think I'm gonna go with that, okay. AKA the chessboard Killer. No, yeah,
the chessboard killer.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
He's called that because he was methodically hunting people and
sock to kill one person for every space on the
chess board.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I love this. I've never heard of it. Yeah, I
love this already. Russian dude, Russian serial killer.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
He's also known as the bits of Park maniac because
the bits of Park in Russia is where he did
It's Moscow, Southwest Moscow.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Is where he did a lot of his best work. Wow,
can I do a high school brag and say I've
been to Moscow?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I have you?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I went on a trip like one of those package
tours in high school. It was called Russia Poland in
the East. Dude, I want to go on that. It
was crazy, amazing, and it was nineteen eighty seven, so
it was before the wall came down.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
I heard that sounds you think now that I look
sixteen side botoxs the'll let me ptime I'm in high
school and go absolutely, Oh my god, that's honestly like
I'm dying to go to Like I want to go
to East Berlin, which I know doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
But it was crazy. It was crazy and there was
all this stuff because it was still uh was it
still the Soviet Union? Is?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Technically so there's all this old these old buildings that
were just left over. It was almost like how I
imagine Cuba probably is where it's like the great time.
I want to just leave it there, even though it's
this huge empty building that no one's anymore.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It was driving all the same old car as no
one had, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
It was amazing, and there was they had tables set up.
I'm totally of derailedde but I'm I wanted to talk
about this. They had tables set up in the street
and you would go up and you would give them,
you know, three roubles or whatever. It was like so cheap,
and then you had you would just pick up a
little pre poured glass of warm coke and just drink
a little like probably three fingers of coke and then

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give them the glass back and they would take it
and sterilize it and then pour more coke in the glass.
And it was like a little car like card table
that was set up.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
It's like when you're running a marathon, except to just
stop and have a couple of SIPs of coke.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
That is so weird. And they also had vodka vending machine.
I would do that one instead. Yeah, we drank a
lot of vodka. We were all allowed to drink because
the drinking age over there was like sixteen. It was
nuts anyway, So.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
That sounds incredible. I would kill to go on a
grocery store, Like I'm obsessed with authentic grocery stores. I
would go to that grocery store so hard.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Their grocery stores were very sparsely because it's like, this
is the toothpaste.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
There's not a bunch of brands. Yeah, this is toothpaste. Yeah,
which I'm kind of like, let's do that now.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Wait. Wait, No, I'm not a communist or a socialist. No,
you're definitely not a socialist.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
But you are a Bernie bro Right and I'm sick
of it, overwhelmed.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
That is not true.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I just want everyone to know that's not true. Actually
a Republican, I'm actually a Trumpster what they called them? Yeah,
trump sters? Sorry, okay, go ahead, No, I don't even just.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
What I'm saying. He's ask me anything about Russia. Why
did you kill my people? Uh? So pushishkin.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
He committed his first murder in nineteen ninety two. He
was a student ed your high school. I don't care.
So he was motivated motivated in part by a macabre
competition with like the better known Russian serial killer Andre Chickatillo,

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who's like the creepiest creep, kind of hot creep.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
No, he's not hot, like he's.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Like older dude hot. No, he's in no way hot,
a little bit older dude hot.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Doesn't he have a dent in his head? Oh no,
I'm into that. Okay, sorry, I have a thing. Yeah,
you're right, that's very judgmental. Done head well to say
I feel dirty. So wait, sorry, he didn't know him.
He was just like he knew what he did and
was yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
He was like yeah, which is like, find someone else
to compete with, like find a like Olympic athlete.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Although Chickatilla was kind of the Olympic athlete of serial killers.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I wonder if this Alexander pin is pissed that he
actually didn't beat him, you know he is.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, so blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Andre was convicted in ninety two of killing fifty three
children and young women over a twelve year period. So
this guy was like, I'm going to do sixty four
for a chess board. Quick question sixty four.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
On a chess board. Correct, Yes, I'll just go with So, Okay,
here's correct.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Moving on, here's a regular fact on my favorite murder.
His mom says that the beginning of his downfall and
becoming a crazy person was when he was hit on
that send him back ding done. Yeah, he hit on
the head by a swing at age four. And I'm like,
unless the swing was made.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Of cinder blocks, that's but that's what happened to Richard Ramirez.
He got hit in the head with a swing, like exactly, Yes,
they're made of like rubber is enough.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah, I think like in the seventies eighties, do concussions
affect children more than they to adults?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Probably? I mean like, you're a doctor, right, yes, please
ask me anything. I love lying. You're a Russian doctor.
I think we've established that I loved bullshit. So the
answer there is you act like you're right. You're technically right, yeah,
except until I tell on myself the next episode, right
and apologize.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So he so this push push is Fishishkin lured his victims.
He mostly was into elderly homeless men, not in a
sexual way. He would say to them in this park, Hey,
do you guys want to get faced on vodka? I'm
paraphrasing here, and he would say, like, let's go to
the grave of my beloved dog. That's like deep in

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the park. And he was actually not He was actually
really loved animals. He was never an he got in
the head, but he didn't kill animals.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Then they'd go out there and be drinking, and he
would attack them with the hammer. Oh man, that's just
they That would hurt a lot, just like. Okay, that
became his trademark. And then he would oh no, this
became his trademark. He would do that, and then he
would push a vodka bottle into the gaping wounds of

(30:14):
their skulls. Oh no, it's like when you make a
watermelon vodka thing. What is it?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
You know?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I'm talking about when you like put a hole in
a watermelon and then empty a bottle of vodka in there.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, he was kind of trying to do one of
those Fourth of July. Maybe he was a frat boy
just kickling that brain lost it a little bit in
the park. Russian frat boys are different than they are here.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh yeah, I'd rather have a frap bay from here
than a Russian frap player.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I don't know. I don't want to choose.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
I choose No, I didn't know that was a choice,
Otherwise I still would have chosen Americans. Most of his
victims were elderly men, but he did kill three women, women,
and one child. The body of one of the women
was I don't do you want to know how that
there were tiny steaks hammered into her skull and around
her eye or.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
No, yeah, okay, I mean yeah steaks, tiny steaks like
like not like like pitching a tent. Yeah, using oh not.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Like yam steaks. Yeah, he said once for me, life
without murder is like life without food. For you. I
felt like the father of all these people, since it
was me who opened the door for them into another world.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
It's not true. They're like, I prefer Marty, I prefer
my actual dad, but thanks, uh, dads aren't supposed to
be like that.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
But really, so okay, so here, let's get to the survivor,
all right, yeah, fucking badass bitch. Hername was Maria Vera
Chiva Viacheva. She was nineteen and three months pregnant, which
already are like, come on, like, let me get through this. Yeah,
you know, pregnant, and her the man she was her

(31:57):
boyfriend was a friend of this killer. Oh like date
someone else, find better friends. She met him, she's ran
into him at work. She and her boyfriend just got
into a huge fight, and so she was pissed off,
like hanging out near the metro station. And he saw
her and was like, and he had been hunting for
a victim. And this is in February of two thousand

(32:18):
and two. I should have started with that. So he
said that most of his male victims, he was able
to get them away with alcohol was the thing that
they that the reason they would go with him. But
for women, he said, quote, women always need to have
a financial interest.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Fuck you, you don't know me, man. I like vodka.
I know I don't need your fucking I like dead
pets graves. Yeah, stupid. All cheers over that dick.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So he says to her that that he has several
bloxes of brand new contraband cameras.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Oh dash, women always love cameras. That's really true.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
If there's some kind of deal going, like a sales deal,
or like, oh I have this thing, I'm gonna cut
you in on it, just say no. Even if it's true,
you're still probably gonna get arrested. There's you have to
pay for things that you want in this life. Right
when you try to sidestep that fact, you're you're you
mess with the wrong people, you end up in the forest,

(33:23):
at a dog's.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Grave, what have you, And then with a vodka bottle
in your head.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Free money isn't free, Like, just just go without.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Just just get a job, buy your own shit, stay
out of the forest. Never gonna be chill it. That's
gonna be the quote, get a job. What was it?
Anytime we list anything in threes, we want you to
put it on a poster. There was another one, shit,
Karen is full of.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Quote sun Night, I'm full of beans, Sonny beans.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Oh my god. Okay, you gotta get through this.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
So all right, so here's what he He's like, here's
some cameras in here, come on in with me, and
she's like, okay, fuck, don't do that because she was
pissed her boyfriend. You know, it's a great way to rebel.
I've done some stupid shit and I'm like pissed at
my boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
So he takes her over to where he says they
left the camera, which is this, well, this like brick
well into the like forest ground, and he lifts a
man who'll cover off and he's like, hey, take a
look inside, and she approaches. He grabs her and shoves
her into the well and she's trying to grasp the
edges of the rim of the well, and he grabs

(34:34):
her by the hair and just like starts smacking her
head against the cell the concrete walls, which is so
weird that like didn't even kill her before. It was
like almost this fun toying with her thing. But she
let herself fall. She said, quote, I realized that he
would kill me like this, so I let go. It's
like which side is better up or down? Yeah, and
he yells to her take a bath there. I can't

(34:54):
come up with something better. Yeah, that's not funny, Yeah,
she said, My head hurt terribly, but I wanted to live.
So after falling about thirty feet, she Maria lands in
a sewage pipe about a foot in diameter with the
stream running through about three feet high. It's like the

(35:15):
sewage line. And I might have gotten some of those
numbers wrong because guess what they were like in meters
and shit?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
And I try to change them, and I yeah, because
I was like, how do you land in a But
basically she it's down a well and then a slightly
smaller thing down a well. It's tight, falls thirty feet about.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's a tight little area, okay, and she's in like
let's I don't know, it seemed like it seemed like
waist high rushing sewage water rushing, and it's trying to
get her into this like pipe, into this other part
of the sewage system that she definitely would have drowned in. Luckily,
she fucking puts her her hands to the side and
stops herself from going down that pipe. Okay, she removes

(35:56):
her jacket and boots real quick, man, this girl's smart.
She was able to plant her feet and hands on
the side of the pipe to stop from being swept
away by a ship storm. So gross, I know, man, Like,
what a bad day. So she finds another well like
she I guess. She goes through, but it sounds like

(36:17):
she was in there for hours and eventually finds an
iron ladder running up to the running off the side.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
She goes up, what say it like someone had shot
an iron ladder? Sorry, wait what she's a sewage thing?
And then an iron letder floats by because someone had
shot it. Don't make me say it twice. It's a
terrible joke. I shouldn't get it.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
No, No, Like she finds it up the wall. It's
like in the wall, she's like a ladder. It's not
shoots the ladder.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
You have to edit that part out at one of them,
and I had to say it, Stevens, don't take that note.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
This stays in. I've got it out some before. This
is not gonna be one of them. I will just
take all the edits I've done for you and put
them into one episode and post them.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Can you imagine that's actually it's idea because it will
make any sense because contextually just random terrible edits, awful
things of all the stuff we've seen. He's saying, someone
chat and I'm hearing that. Okay, please continue.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
So she finds this ladder up the wall, not from
someone's balance.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I'm kidding. I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
That's why you're comedian.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Climbs off it and she's like, well shit, this is
like an eighty something pound manhole cover and she can't
get it open. She's so close, and then she opens
it a tiny bit and sees a woman running from it,
like leaving, and she's like, well, that was my last chance.
She's exhausted from crawling for hours through all the gross,

(37:55):
fucking sewage.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
She's like, this is it. I'm dead.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
But it turns that the woman had heard her screams
and heard the manhole cover lift a little or saw
the manhole cover lift a little bit, and like fucking
ran for you know, help to lift this manhole cover.
So she was taking in the hospital. She and her
kids survived. Man, I been like, what is that kid's
life like today?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well they could maybe they may have been somehow inoculated
by being in all that shit, so they're like superhuman,
never get sick.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah, they're like Marvel's like, how do we tell this
this like story of a superhero.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, well, let's see.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
So she survives. Okay, here's the worst part. That's something. Well,
here's another bad part.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
She's reporting the incident to the police, and somehow I've
heard I've read a couple different reasons. The police were
like nope, and like ended up making her sign something
saying that she herself had accidentally fought fell into the
well and that he had nothing.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
To do with it.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
What. Yeah, either because she didn't have the correct papers,
like a citizen papers, or the cop was bored. It's
like for some reason they were like, no, we're not
going to pursue this.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah. So he went on to claim dozens of lives
after that. Oh no, yeah, so right now there's a
criminal investigation going into the cop who you know, Okay
that I'm sure nothing will happen.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
He has two other survivors.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
One was a fourteen year old homeless boy who also
got thrown down a well in March two thousand and two.
He again said he tried to tell the police, but
they wouldn't listen to a homeless boy.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Fourteen?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
And homeless Russia? Oh, because that place is it's terrible.
It's all like it's either the super rich or the
insanely poor. Yeah, but that also happened in Shikatilo. When
I saw that, there was like a made for TV
movie where Stephen Ray played the cop that was investigating him.
And when they got to the when they realized he
had been murdering all these people, they were like you

(39:59):
won't you won't arrest him, Like it was as if
like the Russian authorities were like, we're not admitting that
we have this problem. Yeah, And I think that is
a way that they dictate the cops have to do stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Sure if like some woman had been especially because she
knew him, because she could be like it was this dude.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, it's like they're saying, like, we're not that's not
going to be a problem that we're having.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
And from a couple of the accounts I read, she
like came over to hang out with her boyfriend after that,
like she had to see him. No why he said
something like, uh, hey, you want to go for another walk?
Like he fucking taunted her. That's crazy, I know.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
But it's also weird to have a habit of pushing
people down. Wells totally, that's really weird. It is weird.
It's usually it's like, you know, they're into the murder part.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Well, it's weird that he went from hitting someone on
the head of the hammer and in addition to that
he liked pushing people down a well. Yeah, it doesn't
really mean like you should do one that you should
do one and then the other.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, get your style going.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and then like with the checker or checkers with
the chess, like, come on, man, pick one.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
So the murder of Marina moscow Yova Molina Mosca LoVa
in thirty six, who was thirty six in the spring
of two thousand and six, was his last murder. They
actually found her body with a Metro ticket in it,
with his trademark injuries, and they found a video of

(41:32):
him and her from the metro station walking together. Oh yeah,
so they caught him. He was arrested June two thousand
and six, convicted of forty nine murders and three attempted murders.
And it seems like he was he asked to be
convicted for sixty murders.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Wow, just like fuck off because he wanted credit for ye.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, he got life in prison, with the first fifteen
years to be spent in solitary hinement. So I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Jesus Christ, he's going to be fifteen years. You can't
do that. Where are we Russia? You nutty place?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Fifteen years in solitary confinement? That is there even a
reason for that, or it's just punted. It's like, we
can't give you the death penalty, so we're just.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Going to do this, Yeah, I guess so, oh yeah,
why not kill him fifteen years? That's awful.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Did you hear recently in California they passed a lot
that juveniles can't get more than like two hours of
solitary confinement, which I think is I almost cried when
I heard that because it's such an obvious it's so
it's such an obvious smart thing to do.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, it makes you think, what's happened that made them
pass a lot?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Horrify? Yeah, okay, so and he and Pashushkin have said
that he would have continued killing and definitely if he
hadn't been stopped.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
I believe it. Yeah, it's a fucking weirdo.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah. I just want to give fucking a shout out
to Maria for being such an incredible bad.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
You know what, here's the smartest thing she did. Yeah,
if you're ever in water, take off anything heavy that
you're wearing, jacket, boots, clothes like that.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
That's what drags you down. Really, it makes you tired
when you have to tread water. It makes you super tired,
like anything like that, boots or anything pants, take it off.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Very interesting. I've never thought about that. That's very smart
of her, very Yeah, especially when you're in ship water.
She's just like, how can you concentrate on that? Maria
Vera Chevilla, which like, you don't find a lot of
stuff when you google her at all. Write him, it's
like the same shit over and over again. He's gross.
There's photos of him. He's a creep. He's not hot

(43:43):
like Chickatillos. I like him dunded physically and emotionally. D
ins now.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Well Mine this week is once again me retelling you
an episode, my favorite episode of I Survived. I'm so
excited my favorite crime show. If you're new to this podcast,
high welcome. Oh, my favorite crime show them again you
can of All I would say is I Survived because
it's a beautifully produced It's it's television well made. It's

(44:22):
one on one interviews where people speak slightly off camera,
purely telling their story of survival, with no reenactment, no
cheesy actors, no shots of anything, just the story, which
is one thousand times scarier and more upsetting than if
you were cutting away to some dumb like. That show

(44:43):
made me realize those cutaways in other like first hand
story shows just deaden the effect. Yeah, a person is
sitting there telling you what happened to them camera. There's
no scarier, no realer.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I mean, that's it, Honestly, I don't. There's a helicopter,
just a light invasion.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Listen, we're in Hollywood, murder cap.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I don't. I hate reenactments. They just take you out
of it. They're corny, Yeah, they're not. You can't reenact
the actual violence of what took place in the I mean,
there's just I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
And sometimes on some shows they're so gratuitous. There's like
an extra sound effect and the girl's always in a bra.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
We were like, really, so can't we say the exception
is a crime to remember?

Speaker 1 (45:31):
We love a crime to remember? Yeah, yeah that. Those
reenactments are perfectly done. They're villagious. Yeah, they're gorgeous. So
when I survived back to my favorite show, well, I
should say one of my favorite shows. But it's all
these stories I remember because they're so perfectly told. So
this one I loved because I love the girl that

(45:52):
tells the story. It happened to her, and her name
is Sarah Brady, and this happened when she was twenty
six years old and nine months pregnant. She was Yeah,
that's right, oh I got weird and Sarah was apparently overdue.
So she was like waiting to have this baby anymore?

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Fuck can you?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm Matt like her. Everything is swollen, everything's hard. You're
doing everything for two. So here's what happens. She's registered
a Babies r US and she gets a call one
day from a woman who says her name is Sarah Brody.
What ears this? This is two thousand and four. Okay,
So she gets a call a woman says, uh, my

(46:34):
name is Sarah Brody and I got one of your
we're both registered. I guess at babies r US because
I got one of your packages.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So similar names. Yes, shit man.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And so she's like, oh, okay, crazy, I'll come and
get it. Yeah you you live on my way to work.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
So they make this plan. She goes and she picks
up the package. She goes into the woman's apartment. This
woman lives in a basement apartment. She said it was
a completely fine exchange. They talked a little bit about
how they were both nervous to be mothers. They just
talked about you know whatever, and uh, we'll call her

(47:10):
our Sarah the good Sarah says that she just got
the impression this girl was very young and she seemed
kind of alone. So she had a kind of a
warmth tour because she was like, oh, you know, and
we have kind of the same name and there basically
seemed like they were gonna have babies right at the
same time. Yeah, so, uh, thanks to you. Later, great

(47:30):
takes the package, goes home. So a couple days later, Uh,
there's another phone call and it's her again, going, I
got another package for you, And so when she gets
off the phone, she is, uh, I think she's having
the baby with her boyfriend there engaged to be married.
So her her fiance boyfriend's brother is there at their

(47:52):
house and she goes, that girl got another package for me.
I have to go get it. And the brother goes,
that's weird. I don't I've a bad feeling about this.
Don't go holy shit, really yeah, and she goes, no, no, no,
you don't understand. I already met her, saw her face
to face. She's totally normal and fine, I think he's
a murderina ooh, he could be. I don't think a

(48:13):
normal person.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Like every situation I'm in, I'm like, is that going
to be a murdery situation, right.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
He had his vibe out kind yeah, because he was
like I don't like the sound of this, basically said
to her. And she was like, don't be crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
A Murderina, by the way, is just basically someone like
us that we call that someone on Facebook coined is
obsessed with murder?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah? Is that was that for the first time person
that you attacked earlier.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I'm just trying to be nice to them at this
point because they're like, you know, they don't like me.
They're like, not on my side. They're not voting for
my murder. We vote on this podcast, but we vote.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
At the ANDIDS is one, yeah, oh god, I hope not.
So anyway, she's like, don't be crazy. So the next
day she goes back over there. Well, this time, she says,
it's a little the feeling is a little bit different,
just a little there's a little tension in the air.
So she's like, great, you know, here's the package. And
she's like, I want you to come back here and

(49:06):
come and look at this thing. And she's like, I
really have to go. I have to I have to
pick up my son from school. I have things I
have to do, and and she it was like she
basically kept trying to continue the conversation a little longer
than Sarah felt comfortable. You know, it was all that
that kind of vibe, and she said, but she just
was trying to be polite, so she wanted to leave.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
You guys never be nice.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, she wanted to leave, but she's was kept airing
on the side of politeness. So at one point she
was like, she wanted to show her the nursery. She
wanted to da da da, and then but finally Sarah
was like, look, I have to pick up my son
from school.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
I have to go.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
And then she went into labor pains, like she said
she was having labor pains. Sarah Sarah Bad. Sarah says
she's having labor pains. So she starts screaming like a
lunatic and Good and she pulls Good Sarah into the bathroom.
And that is that when Sarah said, she looked at
her face, and her face was the face of a

(50:03):
completely different person, like it was crazy, wild eyes, super scary.
And then all of a sudden, like a light switch,
she stopped screaming and said, oh, I guess that's over.
And so our Sarah is super weirded out and is like,
oh right, I if you're okay, I have to go.
And she's like, yeah, yeah, just hold on one second.

(50:24):
I just need to go get this thing. So she
goes back into the back of the apartment. Bad Sarah
does Good Sarah's coming out. She looks, she kind of
like looks into a room and she said there was
a People magazine cover that was framed and whoever the
celebrity was in the picture, she had scratched their face out,

(50:46):
and so she was like, all of a sudden, I
was like, this is raw, this is bad news.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
She had framed a photo of a celebrity that she
had scratched their face out.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yes, I can't remember here. Just quick side note, you
can't watch I Survived unless you sign up through your
cable cable subscription like to watch it on Lifetime, because
they're on Lifetime now. And I tried to do it
like twenty times so I could just get the word
for word of this middle part of the story. I

(51:17):
better when you tell it, Okay, good, well, but I
just wanted to get this detail of like because I
think she said it was either Sarah Jessica Parker or
like she says.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Let's say b Angelina, and the Angelina part of it
has fucking scratched.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
You can get the details if you watch it's season two,
episode ten. I just couldn't access it through my laptop anyhow. Yeah,
she's got the bad chills. She's freaking out, so she's like,
I gotta get out of here. She also then sees
some paperwork with the name like a bill or something
with the name Katie Smith on it, so she's like,
this isn't good. So she goes and she's like, I

(51:54):
really have to leave and don't tell that. Just fucking goes.
Sarah says, okay, but can can I Can I get
a hug? And of course she wants to say no,
but she feels like she has to say yes.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Don't let people some strange reason, don't let people touch
you if you're not comfortable with it.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
They go, She goes in for the hug, and when
they come out of the hug, bad Sarah raises up
a huge kitchen knife and tries to stab her our
Sarah puts her hands up, blocks blocks it and grabs
the knife. I just hear the shit out of me.
Oh no, uh huh has to grab the knife, knocks

(52:31):
it away. The knife goes on to the ground our
Sarah grabs the door, runs out, runs up the stairs,
is screaming and running in this apartment building. Gets to
the front door of the apartment building, grabs it, tries
to unlock it. Bad Sarah is right behind her, grabs

(52:52):
her by the hair, drags her, screaming, kicking and screaming
back downstairs, back down to the basement apartment. Oh my god,
No one in the apartment building hears or comes out
or does anything.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
She gets dragged back into the apartment.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I don't think I can deal with this one.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
You gotta hang in here with me, because remember the
name of the show. I know I survive, Okay, Sarah's
the one telling us this story. She gets pulled back
into the apartment. Oh also the first This reminds me
the first time she went there, when she walked in
the door the first time, when she was like it
was fine, no big deal. She did remember, Oh yeah,
she did lock the door after me when I walked in.

(53:31):
I do that though, you do, all right, So maybe
we won't hold that one.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Against the still So yeah, why that would be creepy.
I know it's just for friends, not for people I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
And also they live in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky, a tiny
town apparently according to what I read. Yeah, so it's
not it's you know, it's not. And then I give
up my address. But but so, so she pulls her
back in and now there, Now she knows she's in
a fight for her life. So she's like, I gotta

(54:05):
protect my baby and I gotta stay alive. So they
start wrestling, and they go over the couch, they hit
the coffee table. They're wrestling, wrestling, hitting each other, the
whole thing, and finally, Good Sarah grabs the knife stabs
her three times. Yeah, because this girl's trying to stab
her to death. I thought this was going to be

(54:26):
it takes the baby case. Well, so Sarah staggers upstairs,
covered in blood with her own good Sarah, with her own.
Her hands are completely slashed. She gets outside and like
gets across the street and is like laying on the sidewalker,

(54:46):
the you know, the ditch or what does. She got
as far away as she could and then she basically
was out. The cops show up and find her there.
Then they go down to the basement apartment and find
this girl, whose real name is Katie Smith dead. So
they're holding yeah, Sarah Brady, are Sarah holding her? You

(55:06):
just murdered this girl, this friend of yours, you were saying,
and she's like no, no, no, no, so and they're like,
you just murdered a pregnant woman. So will they go in?
And they search her apartment. She is not really pregnant.
It was a false belly. Of course, she's never been pregnant.
She's twenty two years old. She's got the full nursery setup,

(55:28):
she's got all the stuff. But then in another room,
she's got all kinds of obgyn equipment. Oh my god,
including sorry including oh and they uncovered an obstetric's kit,
obstetric's kit equipped with gloves and surgical scissors in Smith's apartment,

(55:55):
and they finally put it together that Katie Smith was
planning on Steff Sarah Brady and cutting her feetus out
of her body.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
So this is how I thought it was going in
and I wanted to cry.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
That's what she was intending to do. She had this girl.
Katie Smith had told everyone in her family and all
her neighbors that she was pregnant, with twins. She was
showing people a sonogram of twins. She had everybody convinced,
and now she like, now she was at the quote
unquote nine month period and she had to get a baby.

(56:28):
And apparently this girl, this the bad Katie, was obsessed
with pregnancy from her teenage years. So this had been
she had been a little off or whatever and always
had a thing about wanting babies and having babies in
this whole thing. So Sarah Brady, the cops bring her

(56:49):
in and once they discover all this other stuff, they're like, oh,
she was trying to kill you, and she's like, yeah,
that's what I was telling you. Like, we're not friends.
I don't know that girl. Yeah, this wasn't something of
two pregnant women were pissed at each other. This woman
tried to kill me. And so even though she got
brought in and questioned, she was cleared of all. She
was never charged with anything. She was cleared of all suspicious.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, nine months pregnant and she fucking beats the ship.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And she fucking survived. And then they show this is
why I love her is because first of all, when
you watch this episode, I survived, She's like every girl
you went to high school with. Really, she's she's like
exactly how you picture. She's just cute and young. And
she tells the story like then she tried to stab me,
Like you it's like a normal human she's she's it's
just like you know her. I totally feel like I've

(57:37):
met her before. Yeah, and then they show a picture
of her with her little daughter, the baby that she has,
who's completely happy and healthy, and her whole thing is
like this had to happen. I now know what I'm
made of. I'm like, this is what motherhood does. This
is the power of women. That there was no way
I was going to let her hurt my child, And
it is the most you just adore her. At the

(57:59):
end of this episode and she and she says like,
I wish that that girl wasn't so sick, but I
did what I had to do. And I you know,
got therapy or whatever, but I this is what I
had to do. I wouldn't have done it if she,
you know, hadn't attacked me. I just got butterflies in
my womb for like the first time in like years. Yeah,
that's the power of motherhood. That's the power of my

(58:21):
storytelling on your motherhood that.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Karen, Can I say that was a fucking great storytelling?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Did you like that one?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Like you you put that was a good one. That
was one of the best storytellings that we pat my life. No,
you've done better than that.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I can't recommend I survived enough because our stories become
your story. Now. I've told that one a bunch of time.
It's crazy, it's it's my favorite. She was also on
Oprah this girl no yeah for her?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
What can oh my god tell me about this? Is
it the brother in law? Uh huh oh, I want
to know.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
He just got to the cop station. I was like,
told you so, I fucking told you, Sarah. Why did
I say? Just screaming that into her face. She's crying
with her hands all bandaged?

Speaker 3 (59:07):
What how bad would he have felt if she had
actually gotten killed or whatever? And oh my god, I
told her so.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
But also it's like, that's the thing is he said,
I have a bad feeling, just let us go over
there with you, And she was like, no, no, no.
That's another thing, is like if somebody else just says, well,
I'll just go with you. Yeah, what's the harm? That's
the big deal? Let them go with you.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Let's not let's all make a pact everyone listening to
not go into anyone's house that we don't know, ever,
even if it seems innocent, really like a party or something.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Well, you're what you're saying is always take a buddy.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Always say a buddy, like be like, oh, come on, like,
come in, I have a you know, let me grab
the letter that I was gonna write.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
No one has a letter for you. No, that's a lie.
Say you have allergies, just say, oh, I'm sorry, I
I'm really sick. You can throw out any kind of
period reference people, WI let you get out of anything.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
M like the seventeen hundred is any period at all?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry, Sara. No, I love
a good pun. If my moms sitting with me where
she's like, you can blame it on me. If you
don't want to do like this thing, just say your
mom won't let you. Yeah, Your Karen and Georgia right
now are telling you can blame it on mom or
your mom, but us, Yeah, say my friend Karen will
get really mad. Yeah, and it's probably true because I

(01:00:24):
have a serious temper. I'm sorry if I come to
that thing with you, my friend Karen, and just point
over your over your shoulder with your thumb like I'm nearby,
like a vague point, yeah, a vague reference to you. Sorry,
my friend Caroen won't let me. Yeah, Karen's in the car. Yeah,
but you could just be listening to the podcast. Karen's
in the cars, right. We're always with you and we're

(01:00:46):
always mad about something. Oh, that was so good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Tell me her name again, Sarah Brady, Sarah Brady. Don't
fuck with Sarah Brady, don't fuck with any any of
her type. No, Yeah, it's good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I mean, you gotta watch that episode because the way
she tells the story of fighting this girl off these nuts,
she looks like she looks like the girl that would
sit next to you in homeroom telling a story about
fighting off a knife attached, she.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Says, and it's always like you think of yourself as
like I have black hair and I would kick this
person's ass. And then it's like, nope, it's the little
fucking tiny cute one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
It's always a little tind of cute one. It's those,
it's the ones you don't expect.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Well, also imagine like a huge kitchen knife. Somebody even
jokingly raising it up about your head. You'd just be like,
what is happening? Yeah, I certainly wouldn't catch it with
my hands. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Really, I have a harder time with that than it's
so awful that has lots of those stories. Oh my god,
I think I really have an issue. I really can't.
It's gross even defensive ones, man horrible. Do you want
to hear am hometowner? Yes? I got one cute all right.

(01:02:03):
You know, so I'm not going to say this because
some people are going to send it to me. There's
a different email dress. Some people send it to me
and then I know you haven't read it. So sometimes
I'll read it, but I don't want people sending him
to my email dress because because it's a lot. Yeah,
because I have anxiety and stress.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Okay, there's plenty of ways to get a hold of us,
like at my favorite murder at gmail dot com. Yeah,
we should say that my favorite murder at Gmail. Yes,
send your hometown murders. There totally so many good ones.
All right, So this is from Paula. I was ten
years old.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
And it was nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Hey, what the same age? Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Hi, My brother was graduating from Hickman County High School
that year. Hickman County is a rural Tennessee town where
maybe someone shoots up the trailer park because someone cheats,
and then it says in parentheses maybe it was my
cousin's husband.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
What's her name again, Paula, Paula.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
But in the spring of nineteen ninety, the high school
was still conducting a type of pre graduate graduation religious
ceremony called UHLT beccalaureate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Do you know what that? We had that too?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Yeah, oh yeah, I barely graduated high school.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
No, that's a Catholic thing, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
It was supposed to be held on Sunday afternoon after church,
with the graduates usually around one hundred and fifty kids
and their immediate families in attendance. Well, all of us
were at church that morning. The school science teacher was
turning the school into one giant bomb that would have
went off during the ceremony. The school assistant principal, mister

(01:03:30):
Ron motherfucking Wallace. The motherfucking is for me because mister
Ron Wallace had a daughter that was graduating, so he
came in early to make sure everything would run smoothly.
He apparently startled the science teacher, Donald Gibbons was his name.
Donald shot and killed him. And since everything wasn't ready
yet parentheses, he had slowly he had it set slowly

(01:03:53):
gassed so that it would be an explosive be on
an explosive level during the ceremony, Oh shit, that's some fuck.
And Walter White shit, Yeah, he panicked and just set
things on fire. So mister Wallace being murdered saved hundreds
of lives. Oh, the FBI did say that everything was
at was actually set up correctly, and it would have

(01:04:15):
blown if his plan had been carried out. Myself and
the and my entire family would have been casualties. It's
such a weird event for me to reflect almost thirty
years later. Oh god, is it thirty five when I
think of everything in my life since then. It was
a national headline at the time, though, being although being
when it was, it's hard now to find good info

(01:04:35):
on why exactly he did it, mostly just town gossipy
reasons at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I bet he hated those kids, Oh my god, yeah,
so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
He was what is he? The science teacher? Yeah, I
always those little shits. That's insane crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I feel like I've never heard a story of a
teacher that tried to kill everybody at once.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
No, he was, that's amazing. And that's actually one hundred
and fifty kids. That's a lot of kids. Yeah a
small school, it's only fifty kids or whatever. Yeah, fuck Paula, Paula.
That was good, Ella, that was incredible. That was a
near miss. And guess what as another survivor story. Oh
my god, kind of accidentally, but I didn't even do
that on purpose. Look at us, look at us podcasting,

(01:05:22):
and also look who came in the room.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
He's ready for his clothes up. Elvius knows when we're
wrapping up and walks in and sits on the couch
waiting for his part.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
He starts salivating when he hears this, gets sad and
be like, how do we wrap this up?

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Mister? He's like, oh, this is it's time. Every time
he hears the tone go down, he's like, ah yeah,
oh yeah, you know what that means. Every time I
stop going, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Your stories.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Can I say? You want to say this year? This year,
all year long?

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Okay, but first we have to first oh oh yeah,
wait oh thanks for listening my favorite murder on Twitter.
You know I do things, do rate, review, subscribe iTunes,
Fuck yeah, the usual stuff. Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I think we're number seven on the Comedy List again,
which is crazy. It's really nice. Thanks everybody. We guys
love you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Tell a friend about it and our uber driver stay
sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Elvis, do you want to cookie? Yeah, you gotta say cookie,
cookie cook.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Oh he's confused, Elvis, don't make this part of the
edited version of our podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
May I come down because he's crossliding me? Canned Elvis,
do you want to cook? You?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
God? You want to cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Don't get murdered you guys, Bye bye,