34 - Thirty Let The Bodies Hit The Four

It’s a Sciatica Special on this week’s My Favorite Murder. Karen and Georgia delve deep into the twisted life of Richard Speck and the equally terrifying mind of Martin Bryant with the Port Arthur Massacre.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
How do we start.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's focus on a pain free hour.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Okay, I would love that.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Just a release. Let's imagine our lower backs, the muscles
in our lower backs red, slowly turning to blue. Thank you,
slowly fading to blue. Release, release your psciatic nerve pain.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Hi, this is Georgia on my butt is broken and
Karen is trying to fix me.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Hi, I'm Karen. I'm not a trained doctor or professional. Anyway,
I thought maybe if I talked in a certain weird
tone of voice, George's butt muscle would unclench. It worked,
were you? Okay?

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I feel great. This whiskey might be helping too.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
But thisis sode might be a little what we call
my family hinky. Because Georgia has devastating back pain.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
And has been suffering from it for two days.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
This is real.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
This, this is totally I've been suffering the back pan
forever and then I'm my ssiatic. Listen. It's a really interesting.
If anyone has cures, please.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Just explain it to me so that when you cry
out and then we have to hit pause, they know
what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I think I have a I have a slip disc
in my back in the past couple months, and it
has eventually caused my ssiatic nerve to be pinched. And
I am in so much.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Fucking pain in the at this moment, right.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
At this moment, No, but it keeps like clenching and
then like I fucking can't And I got an MRI today,
and like that's that's how I let everyone know that
it's serious, is that I got an MRI today. Like
that's you know, don't You're not just saying I'm sick.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
You know, like, oh heat, put a heating pad on it.
It's like, no, I was in a goddamn machine.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Also, I'm sitting on a heating pad.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's right, just like one of your cats.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
It's my cat's heating pads. It's very cute.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Make sure you don't get pinworms.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Like when you hang out and share all your stuff
with your pets, you start getting you get worms?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Like how my cat is sitting on that mechanical pencil
with his asshole right now.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I put a pencil down and Elvis came over and
sat on it asshole.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
First, you didn't even said he placed his asshole on.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It delicately and like a yoga instructor. P Yeah, asshole
down and then the butt cheeks.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay. Is my immune system better or worse for living
with cats who put their assholes on everything?

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I say better because you're able to withstand. Now that
your body is filled with bugs, you're able to withstand more.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
In every ind of my body has basically been asshole.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have two shitty dogs that I never clean, and
I sleep with them every night, and every once in
a while I remember to change that pillowcase, and when
I do, I go, what do I have? I'm sure
I have fleas in my ears?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Have they crawled into my brain?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
All these things?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Our skin would be a lot worse if we were
really sick. Also, i've heard that, you know what I mean,
pretty great, says the girl who was actne. I also
heard that children who grow up around pets are have
much better immune systems. So I'm basically just a big child.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, yeah, I mean we're just trying to get back
some of that youth that we enjoyed so much, surrounded
by an amalia.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
When your back gets fucked up when you're older, what
I know, You're not that old. Be young forever.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Some you just have some emotional releases. I think if
you took a sledgehammer to an old car or screamed
in certain people's faces, you're welcome to scream at me
at any time.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I have said I want to open that business where
it's just like you go in the like white painted
room and there's just like dishes and a sledgehammer and
like electronic equipmenting just have five minutes to break shit.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think they do that in Japan, don't they.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Oh, I'm sure they do.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I feel like that's something I've seen on the nightly news.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Let's start this.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay, Hi everybody?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Oh, I meant the business. I don't know the podcast. Hey,
but hey, we might as well do both.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Is it housekeeping? Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Hey, this is my favorite murder with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Oh yes, yes, did you know that?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
I hope you knew.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
You clicked on it, mother fuck.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Or maybe your cat's asshole sat on your phone.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I guess the first moment of Correction's corner, because that's
why I might as well just always only talk about
corrections corner. Uh, listen, it turns out Seventh Day Adventists
do give gifts and I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Even remember talking about that.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
I think it's Jehovah's witnesses that don't let's let's let's
start next week's correction corner.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
What if this is a double correction corner.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
No, it was.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Let me find her because I just faved it because
she was laughing and saying, I am a Seventh Day
Adventist Adventist, we do give gifts. I do know that.
I long ago when I worked at the Gap, I
worked with the guy who was a Seventh Day Adventist
and claimed because of that, he didn't have to work Saturdays.
So maybe I do have some some bitterness deep down,

(05:18):
that's what Yeah, because I was always standing there on
Saturday night. The fuck is Ramone or whatever his name?
But she really enjoyed that. She wasn't mad or anything.
Are offended.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But I guess maybe it's.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Isn't there one of those religions that just doesn't any
of the holidays, that like they're just like, we don't
do your holiday.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Jehovah's witness Okay, do you want me to say it
all more time?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
I want I need to believe it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
You just keep on saying it, but it has to
be me accepting Jehovah oh okay Jehoahs as.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Like two people who were raised pretty lax in religion, right,
No Jewish near Catholic, but.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, we were extremely Catholic.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I still remember the day my sister and I told
my dad we didn't feel like going to church, and
it was as if we were like, fuck you, mister,
like it was the fight we got into by going
we don't want to go to church today was unbelievable,
Like eighteen Oh my god, yo, yeah wow, serious Catholic,
Irish Catholic, old school bullshit.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
When you go home, do you have to go to church?

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I well, I do go to church, like I don't
have to anymore because I already went through my pseudo
goth mod punk face. I wasn't able to commit style
wise to any of those things, sure, but I had
the spirit.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
And they mesh. They all mesh.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, it's a lot of black tights and bad attitudes, eyeliner.
But now it's fun because like my niece, it's always
something for my niece or a family party or whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
So now I just play along.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
That's cute.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I also am more spiritual than I was back
in those days. When I just wanted to kick things
with my big black shoes.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I'll go to temple. Yeah, after my bot MITZV, I
was like, fuck this, I will never go to temple again. Right,
But now I'm like, Okay, it's like, not about believing
in God. It's about having a community and history and
all this.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, spiritual bullshit. I mean, I think it's natural to
rebel against the structures of our youth. Right, it feels good.
He's been religion corner with dang dong with religion religion corner?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
What was together? Being you?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh so sorry to the seventh dude is how that started?
Uh oh? Also, this is episode thirty four, or as
our listener Daniel at LFC West suggested we call it,
so we will call it thirty Let the bodies hit
the four, which is just a fucking great It's well

(07:53):
done you, Daniel.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
That's funny, well done you.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Also, I have to apologize. I called the band that
we were in Entertainment Weekly with. Remember we were bragging
that last week that we were in our chase. So
we're bragg and bragging and this is how I am
where I'm like me, me, me, me me, And then
they'll skim other things, yes, and speak on it as
if I know what I'm talking about. Well, so I
called the band that we were in Entertainment Weekly with.

(08:18):
I called them Sunlit Youth. The name of the band
is Local Natives.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
And that's her album is Sunlit You.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
The album is called Some Youth. They're Local Natives, They're an.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
LA Native band.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
They're also huge.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
They're huge. We had lots of people telling us the
mist the mistake I made and.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's super embarrassing because it just makes me feel like
someone's weird aunt that's trying to hang out at like
a teenage party.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yes, that's a description of us, or someone's weird aunt
who's trying to hang out at a party.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
God damn it, it's your exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
There's a lot we have to face during this episode,
and thanks a lot. Local Natives are really making me
get in the face of my own. But here's the
upside of that. Okay, The band Silver Suns started following
us on Twitter, which must mean right, you wouldn't follow
unless it was an accident. That happens to be Sometimes
you just touch a thing and suddenly you're following it.

(09:09):
But there is a chance that the people that belonged
to the insanely amazing band Silversun Pickups listened to this podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Who got their name from the Silver Sound liquor store
in Silver Lake, right by where we're at right now.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
That's right? So yeah, I mean, let's focus on the
mistakes I haven't made yet.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Indie bands love us true where your aunt listen or
your aunt we support you.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You've got to love your aunt common and standing at
your show with the big purse in our arms crossed,
just just actively.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Supporting and then telling you later who she saw in
the past, Like what band I sa Eliott Smith?

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Come on, girl, I mean, who haven't I seen? I
was there back in the day when Beck walked on
stage during that one John Bryan show at the Old Largo.
I could tell you got fifty stories like that. Don't know.
I would never do that to you. You already have
so much pain.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Okay, it's funny how you you're the housekeeping person.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Well, it's always my mistake.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
No, what's always is that I won't cop to my
mistakes or apologize for them.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Badass. I will try to do that more.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Mine are so blatant that people are like Hi, I
love it, don't be mad, but you completely fucked this up.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, but you know what, that's in the past. Who
listens to episode thirty three made God, it's just like
so old, it's like so last week.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
It's so our dumb aunt, what do you have?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Housekeeping? Shirts? Shirts are still an a shoe. They're happening.
I just wear to guy. They're happening.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
They're on the way, They're on the way.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
On te spring, you can find the two original designs
designs and you can buy them while I figure out
what the fuck to do with these gorgeous new designs
that have all the quotes you love and I'm so
excited about and can't fucking figure it out, which is
why I have lower back pain and sciatica.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
If your sciatica, an intense chronic pain, is due too
T shirt, Yeah, I'm going to murder you myself because
that's dumb.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I missed. I slept through therapy today.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
It's a good sign.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a great sign. It's always a good sign. I
mean blow off therapy. I forgot therapy and my therapist
text me was like, hey, I had you down for
four and I was like, I was on I'm on pills.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I do that probably every other week, and I have
no excuse, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I Actually I had this really amazing therapist recently, not amazing.
She and I didn't work out, but I liked her.
And she said to me like, I have this thing
about being late. I'm never late and it stresses me out.
And I'm like, I get so angry with myself and
I'm late. And I showed up to my appointment like
not even ten minutes late, and I was like, I'm
so sorry. I fucking I'm a fucking idiot. And and

(11:55):
she was like, what tell me, tell me why it's like,
what's wrong with being late? Or like tell me what
you can you should say to yourself about being late.
And I was like, oh I should. I should say
like it's okay, no one's a bovah. And I kept
saying things that she was like nope, And finally I
was like what do I say? And she was just like,

(12:17):
it's okay, that's it. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah, that's all
it is. It is okay, everything's okay. It's not like
you don't have to reason with yourself. I missed therapy today.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
It happens it's okay if you have something else going on,
like you have to give yourself a break that this
isn't standard time you have crazy back pain that's keeping
you from like getting up to get a glass of water.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
So yeah, you might be fucking ten minutes late for something.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
And even if I'm five five minutes late because of
whatever the fuck reason, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's okay. It like the world, you know. I have
to say, my dad said this great thing to me
one time when I was super crazy, had just flunked
out of college. Was really felt like I really felt
like the world was like melting around me. And he goes,
and of course I had to like borrow money from him.
It was like I basically felt like the biggest failure

(13:09):
and like I was always going to be that that moment.
I was probably twenty one, yeah, or twenty and I
was I was, I just stamp myself permanent loser.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, defines the you think at that age. It's defining.
It's a defining moment.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, And thank god, at the end of this phone conversation,
my I goes, hey, listen, really, honestly, in one hundred years,
nobody's gonna remember this, and then I was like, oh,
and that is the best advice. Yeah, like live your
life knowing that in one hundred years, Like it's so

(13:44):
scary to some people, like, oh, we all know it.
In a hundred years, I won't be remembered. Yeah, but
also you won't be remembered. Yeah, so fucking relax a
little bit, or you will be by your like great grandchildren.
And they're like, my grandma was a fucking badass. Yeah
she did this and this and this.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I'm not gonna like, can you believe my grandma didn't
graduate college?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Did you see that my dad is now? My dad
texted me that he's listening.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yes, you told me that.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh my god, I love it. Can I read everyone
who's not following us in all the places? What the
fuck is wrong with you guys? Uh? What he said?
He said, started listening to your podcast and wow, your
voice is great. The interaction is terrific. Let's talk when
you can love Dad for further notes. Yeah yeah right,

(14:26):
but he also signed it love Dad. It's like, oh,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Then he said he signed a text yeslaver love And
then he said he said, you go girl, not fucking kidding. Yes,
I wanted to call in when you talked about not
sitting next to a window to avoid being crushed by
an out of control car crashing on top of you,
and add that I always sit facing the door at
like a restaurant, Yeah, so I can see whoever is

(14:53):
coming in to assassinate me or worse.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Your dad said that, Yeah, okay, now we're getting to
the root of some stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Anxiety, Eve Marty's got it. Yeah, And I was like,
can you please call and like talk, like leave me
a voicemail about how you deal with anxiety or whatever.
So I hope he's okay with me reading that anyways, So.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Should we well mark this, Stephen for a potential at
it that we'll never make. Well. Hey, here's the thing, though,
there's nothing to be embarrassed about, because this is the
human condition. This is I told you that right when
my therapist told me once that our reptilian brains are
built to scan for present danger and then review for

(15:31):
past mistakes. That's all your brain does constantly. So when
you are in that mode of like you are looking
around to see if a car is coming or who
what lunatic is coming in the door. That is how
the human brain works, so we survive. That's how this
saber too tiger does need us. That's the reason that

(15:52):
that's the reason the heart starts are here. Yeah, and
the kill character are here is because our brains did
that correctly. So if that means that we have a
bunch of anxiety because in this day and age, there
aren't any wild animals that are about to jump on
our backs and it doesn't sync up that much, then yeah,
give yourself a break.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, but there are murderers, and so we're going to
talk about those murderers. Yeah, after a quick break, we're
going to get to our favorite skippers, saber tooth tiger murderers.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
This week, it's all saber tooth tigers.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I'd be right back. I'm pretty sorry. I close my
computer because I'm pretty serring. You're first, okay, don't you dare?
I don't like it being we don't I like it
never knowing there was somebody actually, wait, are we back? Sure?

Speaker 2 (16:40):
There was somebody? There was somebody that wrote in that
was like every week, you guys don't know who it is.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Why don't you just do even odd number system?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Now?

Speaker 3 (16:52):
It made me.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Laugh out loud. I was like, do First of all,
I without looking, I knew it was a guy. And
then secondly, I was just like, first of all, enjoy
the charm of not knowing. Enjoy the fact that what
we're doing here is like sussing it out as we
go every time.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
And who wants a number system?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Also, here's what happened. Wait are you even or.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
You hold on? What day is day?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I thought it was the twenty fourth?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Is this number thirty five? So I'm even?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, But I thought that meant that if you were even,
I go first, right shares your number system? That superstar.
That's worse, so Karen, But thanks for the suggestion, so you.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Go firston's time. I'm pretty certain that's you.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well, because I last week was beating myself up for
being such a lazy pants Marie, stop it. I did
what some might call I believe on other murder podcasts
they call heavy hitters. Yeah, I'm this week bringing you
the mass murderer killer Richard Speck. Hey do you know him?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Fuck? Hold on? Uh yeah, just shout it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right into the microphone. When you have pain, everybody wants
to hear it.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Are you being mean? No?

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean, like it's going to be part of it.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's okay, it's excited on my extreme pain. That's going
to be the.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
We'll just say, just do what you feel, but don't
be don't edit yourself.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
I don't know a ton about richardspect so I'm really
excited about this. Okay, So why I sat up and
which is why I groaned in pain?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Okay, I need to say before I start, my friend
Tim Brady suggested this to me, and he Tim b
he has been listening. He's a day one listener, a
longtime supporter for some caller and uh, and he's also
one of the cancer survivors I was talking about when
we were talking to our friend who was getting through

(18:47):
her cancer treatment. Awesome, but he did that long ago.
And uh, but I just thought I would cite that
as that I wasn't lying. There's real people and he's
one of them. Anyway, this was a suggestion of is
and then I told him I was going to save
Richard Speck before the future. But then I just decided
I know a lot about him and I've seen I mean,

(19:11):
he's on all of those like the murder specials. I
feel like I've seen twenty five Murder specials about Richard's
beck cool.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
I really love a long introduction.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I don't know I was one.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't know why I took that long to say that,
but anyway, here we go. Richard Spec has on his
Wikipedia pagers a couple pieces of information that are some
of my favorite sentences I've ever read. For example, when
he was six years old, his father died of a
heart attack, and his mother remarried a peg legged drunk

(19:47):
with an extensive criminal record who she met on a train.
Say that again, she remarried a peg legged drunk with
an extensive criminal record who she met on a train.
Myn Now this was long ago enough that there were
still peg leggers around. I mean, and you meet people
on a train, yeah, and you're and and he's and
he's drunk. So it's like, this guy seems fun and

(20:09):
like he's making the most of life.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Do you think you I have so many questions go on.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I know, well, also, so you know if he's a
peg leg drunk that he's probably not gonna be the
best stepdad in the world.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, when back then was a stepdad a kid stepdad?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I know this. This was really dark days for any
kind of secondary parenting. I think it's.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Funny how even today you hear a stepdad and you're
like and then but then they're like no. He was like,
you have to you have to tell someone that this
is your stepdad, but then say like he's amazing, he's the.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Good he's a good kind.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, it actually it's kind of a dirty word.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah yeah, Wait, do you have a stepdad.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
No, my mom has has had a boyfriend for like
ten years who's like the best dude. Great. My parents
divorced and I was a kid and luckily never found
anyone else to marry them, So.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I got lucky he didn't have You don't have to
deal with any of that step.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Kid's stepdad parents.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Weird strange teenagers that now live in your home now
supposed to call them brothers.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like they dated, but like it was fine and not.
My mom's boyfriend's like the coolest dude.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
That's great. Yeah, yeah, my mom's boyfriend is totally a
positive phrase. And my new stepdad is a nightmare situation.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
So he.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
When he was in third grade, they the whole family
moved to Texas and they would have ten different addresses
in twelve years. Wow, peg leg drunk didn't work out
so good. He was obviously drunk, very angry, very abusive,
and also had a bit of a criminal background, was
a forger, and just an all around Texas superstar. So

(21:53):
because of that, Richard started drinking himself in sixth grade,
oh my god, and out of school when he was sixteen.
So a dark start early and bad. So these I'm
just going to try to go through these very quickly.
His crimes in Texas are as follows. When he was
nineteen he met a oh uh, well, I guess that is.

(22:15):
When he was nineteen he met a fifteen year old
girl at the state fair and three weeks later she
was pregnant. Dude, technically that's statutory, right but not. I mean,
he was nineteen and she was fifteen, so it's not
like he was thirty. But say, when his daughter was born,
his wife didn't know that he was serving a twenty
two day sentence for disturbing the peace after a drunken melee,

(22:38):
a phrase I feel like they only use on Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
When he was twenty one, he.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Was arrested for forgery and burglary and sentenced to three years,
but paroled after sixteen months. A week after his parole,
he attacked a woman in a parking lot of her
apartment building with a seventeen inch carving Knight.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Is that his first attack against a female.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, As far ad from family, they said that he
was very abusive within the family, but I don't know
if that was just because the whole family was all
fucked up down there once they moved to Texas. But
this is his first like adult assault, because it's.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So weird to go from, like, I don't think I
don't think a lot of people go from like burglary
and that's and like fighting outside of a bar to
like attacking a woman alone.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Actually, burglary is a very common like first uh for
and especially for serial killers.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
They start in burglary, Yeah, just to see if they can.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
It's like invading people's space, and then it kind of
goes further. But you're right about the drunken Usually you
think just somebody that's kind of drunk, isn't gonna suddenly
pull what is over a foot and a half long
knife on some business. Isn't that kind of a sword.
That's a really fucking long knife.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Knife to sword, Like, let's let's get it down.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
How long is the sword? Three two feet?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
You're asking the wrong. I watch the Knife Show sometimes,
but I'm usually.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I've watched it with you. Cutlery corner, Oh, cutlery.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Oh that's a good show.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
God damn, that's a good show. That man sells all right,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's on? What's it called when they sell the TVs?
When they sell stuff on the.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
T oh like QVC stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
It's like a you guys need to watch it. It's
the knife Show.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
It's a knife show that's on oftentimes, like it's on
it like two in the morning, when you come home
from like a comedy club. You turn it on and
it's like there's a bunch of knives on a revolving
thing and there's a guy that's like it's like.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
He's from the State Fair.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yes, just selling you these knives.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Gorgeous show. Just put it on in the background, so entertaining,
live your life. Just it's a person.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Who's working from his passion place. Yeah, I'm just made
up that phrase.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Knows his shit, unlike us, knows.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
His knives, knows the name of those knives and sells
them to you. Anyhow do you know that Matt McCarthy
once called and said, hey, I'm calling about the knife
into the show he got on. Yeah, hey, I'm calling
about the nine Geniens on Sorry Matt McCarthy from Rewatch

(25:09):
Wrestling podcast. All right, so she got away luckily, but
he was convicted of aggravated assault, given a sixteen month sentence.
That's uh, and it was supposed to run concurrently with
his parole violation sentence, but due to an error, he
was released from prison just six months later on completion

(25:31):
of his parole violation.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
After, I don't think this kind of stuff happens as
much here in modern times as this error.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, this weird paperwork.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Jail error ship, get your name or yeah, and suddenly
you're free to go.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
All right, So he gets out of prison. He works
for three months as a driver for Patterson Meat Company.
He has six accidents with the truck before a fire
ship after.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Failing to show up for work.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Now that's what they fire him for.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, so I guess the accidents he always had
a good reason. I mean, I think this guy is
a real He's good at talking. He's a bullshitter. He's like,
you know, a fast talker.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
He's not one of them low IQ dudes.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, he's not one of those. Okay, I don't think no.
So in December nineteen sixty five, on the recommendation of
his mother, he uh moved in with a twenty nine
year old woman who was an ex professional wrestler herself
and a bartender at his favorite bar, Ginny's Lounge.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
She sounds like a fucking bad ad.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I would love to see a picture of her right now.
I would love it.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I want to hang out with her.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh, she also needed someone to babysit her three children.
What so so Richard Speck.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Was her home? How's you do you pick the fucking
ex con Yeah, instead of marrying a teen girl babysitter,
you go ahead and get a guy that hangs out
of the bar that you bartend at. What the shit?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Many guys, guys in Texas in the sixties, get your
shit together on the Okay, so so so, I love so.
A month later, his wife files for divorce. The same month,

(27:21):
Richard Speck stabbed a man in a knife fight at
Ginny's Lounge. He was charged with aggravated assault, but his
attorney that his mother hired for him got the charge
reduced to disturbing the peace.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
How hilarious is that? Stabbing someone is disturbing the.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
You know what it is, disturbing disturbed. I had peace
before you did it, so technically that that was a
real good lawyer. So he was fined ten dollars and
he was jailed for three days and oh no, sorry,
he was fined ten dollars and then he was jailed
for three days after he failed to pay that fine.
Oh my lord, they're letting him off practically scott free,

(28:00):
and he's still going, hey, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
So that was the last time he was in police
custody in Dallas. So this is kind of an amazing crime.
On March fifth, nineteen sixty six, he buys a twelve
year old car and then he the next night he
burglarizes a grocery store, steals seventy cartons of cigarettes, sells
them out of the trunk of the car in the
seeing grocery stores parking lot. Then he abandons the car,

(28:27):
so the police trace the car back to him, an
issue warrant for his arrest, but that arrest would have
been his forty second in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Are you kidding me? Yeah, this sounds like the plot
of Raising Arizona.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's son, I believe you got a panny on your head,
the best movie of all time. I love him so much.
I love him so much. Okay, So his sister drives
him to the bus depot and he gets a bus

(28:59):
and he makes a bus back to Chicago, where he
still has family because they're like, you got to get
out of town or you're done for Yeah, forty two arrests.
So on March sixteenth, nineteen sixty six, he finds out
that his wife got remarried two days after divorcing him,
and at the end of that month, he gets detained
by the police for threatening a man with a knife

(29:21):
in a bar. So Richard Speck, you know, in a sentence,
he's all about bars, knives and getting arrested. It's his passion.
So this is his fresh start in Chicago, by the way.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
So on April third, he.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Breaks into the home of a sixty five year old
woman in Monmouth, which is where his sister lives, and
that's why he's in this small town in Illinois. And
she comes home at one am because she's been babysitting.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
The right babysitter.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
This is yes, an old lady babysitting. She walks in
the door. There's a man standing in her house. Six
foot tall, white man, as she describes him, who was
very polite and spoke very softly with a Southern drawl,
who blindfolds her, ties her up, rapes her, ransects the
house and steals the two dollars and fifty cents that

(30:16):
she had earned babysitting. Now So, then, on April ninth,
a woman named Mary Kay Pierce, who is a thirty
two year old bar maid who worked at her brother's
tavern in downtown Mammoth, Monmouth. I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong.
She was last seen leaving that tavern at quarter to

(30:37):
one in the morning. She was reported missing on April thirteenth.
Her body was found the same day in an empty
hog house behind the tavern, and she died from a
blow to her abdomen that rubptured her liver. Whoa so
Richard Speck frequented that bar and he helped build that
hog house.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh no, that was.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
One of the jobs he got was a carpentry job
his older brother helped him get when he moved to town.
So the mom police briefly question him about this woman's death.
But when they show up to the Christie Hotel, he
loves to stay in these flophouses. That's through the whole story.
He has left town. But when they search the room,

(31:22):
they find a radio, costume, jewelry, and other items that
the sixty five year old woman had reported missing from
her house after her attack, So now they know. And
then they also find other personal effects that are related
to other burglaries in town, so they know this guy

(31:43):
has done all of this.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
So why did he leave all that shit behind?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, because he had to get out of town because
he had killed this woman essentially, and then he was
like high tails it out and then just doesn't care.
So also he's a crazy drunk, right, so he's not
a good plan or probably packer. So he leaves that
small town, goes back to Chicago to stay with his
other sister, Martha.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And Martha had worked as a pediatric nurse before she
got married, which is just an interest to me, was
an interesting a note for later.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Oh yeah, foreshadowing.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
That's right. So he.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Goes and he joins the Merchant Marines. His brother in
law recommends that he does that, so it's like it's
consistent work, you know, like you it's it's kind of
like when fuck ups joined the army and to get
a little something in him. So it's just kind of
the same idea.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Not that I'll army people are not in the least
please don't.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
No, no, no, we support the troops in.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Every way, howmever some more than most actually, I mean really.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
But no, but this is like it.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
And this is also a thing back in the day,
like you join the Merchant Marines when you're kind of
listless and you don't you know, it's like it, did.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
You rather did it? And I was the best fucking
person ever. Yeah, so I get it. So I get
to talk about.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
It, so you get credit.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, I got to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
And there's there's so many ways to make mistakes. I mean,
you have a podcast and you're just trying to talk.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
And you're just speaking, and you just piss everyone off.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I really support the Marines. I guess I want to
sorry deviated from the It's really something people used to do.
Did you see Lewin Davis. He was a he was
trying to get on a ship. He just he was
like a loser musician.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That doesn't matter but we're not We're not bad people.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
We're really good people. Okay, So he gets he joins
the Merchant Marines. He gets on a ship. Four days later,
he gets appendicitis and he has to get air lifted
to a hospital. So he stays in the hospital for
two weeks after his surgery, and he loves the attention
he's getting from these nurses. And while he's there, he
meets and befriends a twenty eight year old nurse's aide

(33:58):
named Judy. So once he gets better, he goes back
onto the ship, but he is a drunk, and he's
also takes pills, so there's.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Lots like me right now, totally you.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
And he had really bad sciatica what oh my god,
and sends it right here on this ship. He gets drunk,
he exposes himself to other crew members, he gets into
fist fighting again.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
With the knives.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
He's all over the place with the knives, and then
finally he gets drunk and yells at at a superior officer,
so they put what they call put him ashore, which
to me visually is so hilarious. Of like, the boat
pulls up and fucking kicks him off, and he gets
like stranded in Upper Michigan.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
They just like boot him off.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
They're just like, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
They later dated him so hard.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So hard. So he goes and finds that woman Judy.
The nurses a Judy. Then he met at the hospital
and he ends up saying at her house. She says
the entire time. He stays with her for like two weeks.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
She says, he's a perfect.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Gentleman, showered her with gifts, took her to dinner and
was amazing, and at the end of the trip she
lent him eighty bucks so he could take the train
back to his sister's house in Chicago. That's the only
nice story that you're going to hear.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
About Richard's back, gladdud He's okay.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, she did fine. He gets back on June thirtieth.
By July eleventh, he's overstated, is welcome, and his sister
kicks him out of the house. So he goes down
to the maritime Hall to get another job on a ship,
but they keep saying he has assignments and then they
fall through, which must have something to do with the
fact that he got kicked off a ship already. You know,

(35:50):
at one point, so he's just kind of wandering around.
He has nowhere to go. He's broke, so his sister
come and her husband come visit him on July thirteenth.
She gives them twenty five bucks. They sit in her
car and have a conversation. And while they do this,
they're sitting outside a townhouse that is also serves as

(36:12):
a nurse's a student nurses dormitory.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Oh, so basically they have a conversation which I would
imagine would be you gotta let me come back because
I have nowhere to go. And the sister's like, fuck, no, oh,
you're a lunatic. Here's twenty five dollars see you and
would not want to be you?

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh no, yeah, so see you in with nothing. That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
So he takes the money, gets a room at a
flophouse called the Shipyard in and then he starts day drinking,
which we know never goes well, does it for them?

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Maybe? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Now you're right, I mean I mean for me.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
For me, it's just like it's just the promise of
an amazing nap, that's all it is. That's true. For me.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
When I used to drink, I just knew at some
point if I started drinking, like around noon at sometime
in the evening, I would be trying to hit someone
in the face.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
That's me though, See, I'm like noon to three, hard,
napped to five or six, take a shower, go out again,
get back on that horse, or just hang out at home, yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Watch some quality TV. Okay, So what he does instead
is he day drinks, and he starts following a fifty
three year old woman from bar to bar who is
also day drinking. Sure, and finally he propositions her at
the last place that they're at, He gets her to

(37:43):
come back to his room with him, rapes her, steals
a black sixteen dollars mail order twenty two caliber rom pistol.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
It's a lot of details.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
All of those say that again black, I backcas did.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
That, So I didn't realize that they were going to
describe this fucking gun to the tee.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
But mail order is the problem. This is looking point
for me.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
This, You know what?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I wish I could critic give a critique on every
Wikipedia page because there's so much overwriting and backwards describing.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
But I but I believe the thing that stuck out
for me. Yes, you are correct about all of that,
but that you could just mail order a gun. Oh yeah,
I mean I guess there's a knife TV show.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
So why couldn't be fucking gotta have our weapons as
Americans an by any means possible.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Sure, Uh okay.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So after he attacks and really rapes this woman and
steals all her shit, he goes neats dinner, then he
goes back to drink at the shipyard in tavern until
ten thirty at night. Then he goes back up to
his room and gets dressed entirely in black.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Oh no, that can't be anything good.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
I mean, he's not a goth, he's not a ninja.
He's armed with the switchblade and the stolen gun. He
walks a mile and a half back to the townhouse
where he was having the conversation with his sister, and
it is it's a dormitory. It's I already said that,
but it's functioning as a dormitory for nursing students for

(39:16):
South Chicago Community Hospital Honeys. So he cuts open the
screen on a back window.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
So this screens man screens Yeah, troublesome.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah. He cuts open the screen, crawls in the window,
walks up the stairs and knocks on a bedroom door,
and a woman named Cora Zone or Cora Amoro opens
the door and sees a man standing there holding a
gun to her, and he pushes into the room. There's

(39:48):
two other women in bed. He gets them out of bed,
and he gets them to come out of the room
at gunpoint and go into a bigger bedroom in the back.
And then he goes into these other rooms. He finds women.
I'm sure that those they screamed or made some weird noise.
He goes basically into each room, collects up all the

(40:10):
women that are in this dormitory and puts them all
into this back room. And which is to me, I
think as I was reading this kind of a crucial point.
He turns off the light in the room. Then he
lights a cigarette and sits on the floor. He has
them sitting in a semicircle, and he very again politely
and in his quiet Southern drawl, starts explaining to them

(40:33):
how he's not going to hurt them. He just wants money.
He's trying to leave town. He's just going to get
a bunch of money from them. And then he puts
out the cigarette, stands up, takes out a switchblade and
starts cutting up a sheet, and he ties the hands
and feet of all these nursing students. And then he

(40:54):
picks up the first girl and like to go as
if to say, you know, we're gonna go get your purse,
like I'm gonna you're gonna get me your money. Yeah,
And her name was Pamela Wilkining. And Pamela fucking spits
in his face and says, I will be able to
pick you out of a lineup. Oh no, yeah, God

(41:16):
bless her soul. He takes her into the other room
and he starts to raper and two other nursing students
who had just come home walk in on them, so
he uh, he pushes Pamela down. He takes the other
two into another room and strangles and stabs them and

(41:39):
kills them and leaves them in that room. Then he
goes back to Pamela, stabs her once in the heart.
Then he goes back to the group of women that
are waiting in the room, and they have no idea,
but you know, they're hearing noises totally. And it's that
thing where I honestly think that because a lot of
people talk about that, why would these there was. Ultimately
there were eight nursing students sitting in a circle. But

(42:01):
first of all he had a gun on them, and
it's that thing of like I won't I don't want
to hurt you. I just need money. So everyone's thinking,
and they're nursing students, so they know psychologically you want
to be complicit, you want to go along, keep them calm. Clearly,
he's probably drunk. He was probably very overtly drunk, and
he was on speed, so they were probably just trying

(42:22):
to keep everything, like doing what he wanted, trusting that
he was doing what he said, which of course he
fuck he wasn't. So he goes back in and he
just keeps taking them out one by one, and at
one point Cora, the one who opened the door first,
gets out of her out of her ties and rolls

(42:42):
under a bed and just stays in there. And then
as he's taking them out, they're hearing noises and they
all like they don't know what to do. They're staying
staying really quiet, and then and she describes all of
this later on. Basically, it's the second to last woman

(43:05):
he rapes in the room, so she sees and hears
it and then he kills her and she is just
pressed up under a bed against the wall, praying yeah.
So all in all, he killed eight women that night,
Pamela Wilkening who was twenty, Patricia Matuzak who is twenty,

(43:26):
Nina Joe Shmally who's twenty four, Suzanne Ferris who is
twenty one, Mary Anne Jordan who is twenty, Merlita Gargoula
who's twenty two, Valentina Passion who is twenty three, and
Gloria Davey who is twenty two. And then he walks
out the front door. He throws his knife into the

(43:47):
Calumet River, and he goes home and goes to bed.
The thinking that he has committed the perfect crime because
he killed all of the women, but he didn't because
Cora was still under the bed. She waited until six
in the morning, and then she opened a window and

(44:08):
started crawling out the window, screaming, they're dead. All my
friends are dead.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
There's a woman across the street who was doing laundry
in her house and here's what she thought. She thought
a baby was crying, and she opens her front window
and sees Cora out the back window, just screaming out
the window. So she goes over there. Then she wakes
up like the house mother for all that the dormitories

(44:34):
and this fucking house mother walked through the house fuck
seeing every every room there was a different dead body.
I mean, it was it was a disaster. When the
police finally came, the policeman who was first on the
scene had only been on the force for eighteen months,
so he walked through and he was when he came

(44:54):
back out of the house.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
This is actually kind of fascinating.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Back then, they had reporters who would listen to the
the police radios and they would just drive around and like,
you know, oh, there was a house common fire or whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
So this guy that was the reporter that heard this
call was there probably five minutes after this first cop
and when he got there, he said the guy had
his hat on backwards, he his shirt was out of
his untucked, he was walking in circles. He was completely
in shock. And the guy said, what's going on? And

(45:27):
he said they're all dead, and this said go look.
And so this reporter walked into the scene and so
he actually talked about it where he said there was
so much blood in the hallway that it came as
you walk through the hallway because it was coming out
of the rooms. Oh my god, that you step down
and it would come up over the sole of your

(45:49):
shoe and to the to the top of your shoe.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And they were in every single room. It was so
when the when the rest of the cops finally appear there,
you know, there there're some cops outside, and the cops
would walk into the house and then come out and
throw up, and then the other cops that hadn't gone
in yet were giving them shit like, oh yeah, you know,
maybe you've been on the forest too long. Then they'd
go up and they'd come out and throw up, and

(46:14):
every single cop that arrived on the scene vomited.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You think wanted to be like, I'm gonna stay out
of there.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Where they have to go in, right, this's the fucking job.
So that's what a nightmarish insane. And also this was
sixty six, this was before Manson, this was before anything.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
There was no spree killings back then.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Or not really or like the ones that they had had,
like the in Cold Blood one where it's like a family,
but they were like in those beds and it was gunshot, wounds,
This was like a knife and strangulation and just extreme fuck.
So uh they but there were fingerprints all over the scene.
So and the FBI comes in immediately, so they get

(46:56):
they find out that it's Richard Speck, like within.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Within three days of.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
The attack, they have his picture. They also have the
picture that the cord described him to the cops, and
that those two pictures run in the newspaper, alongside the
information that he has a tattoo on his forearm that
says born to raise Hell.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Fuck can you imagine seeing like your sibling?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh oh yeah, like knowing it's him and that he
did this this thing that is beyond monstrous, like beyond
So when when Speck realizes his pictures in the paper,
he can't go anywhere. He can't. He's in this flophouse
and he does know what to do, so he commits

(47:46):
tries to commit suicide. He attempts suicide, drinks a bottle
of old wine, breaks the bottle, and then slashes his wrists.
But then at the eleventh hour calls downstairs and says,
call an ambulance because I'm dying. And so they take
him to the let's see they take him to Cook
County Hospital, and doctor Leroy Smith, who was a twenty

(48:10):
five year old surgical student, had read had just read
the newspaper I saw the born to race held tattoo
detail and when he walked up on this suicide case,
sees that tattoo and says, I think he just immediately
called the cops. But then later when Richard Speck asked
for water, he said, did you give any of those

(48:35):
nurses water? And just walked away.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Oh fuck.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
So But then the cops were actually very careful. They
like stayed around him the whole time because they knew
this was this situation where like he could get killed
before he ever gets tried, because this is he is
such like for three days this Chicago was in total terror.
So also there were concerns because there was a recent

(49:01):
miranda case that vacated a conviction actually for a number
of criminals, vacated a bunch of convictions. So they didn't
even question him for three weeks because they had they
needed to make sure everything was like going to go
exactly how.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
It was supposed to go for the case, saying.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, so when they finally do bring him to trial,
they have to move it to Peoria, which is three
miles away from Chicago, because they know there's no way
they can get him a fair trial in Chicago. And
there's a gag order on the press, which they used
to do. I don't know why they don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Oh right, where like you just can't publish. Yeah, I
mean there's no reporters allowed.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
And they let the whole thing proceed as it would naturally.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Which would make sense because once they're caught and going
to trial, you don't need to know anything.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
You just tell us what happened.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, yeah at the end. Yeah, that's not the world.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
We live in, that one. So the beautiful part is
they were so worried about Cora because of what, you know,
this horrible thing she went through and now she has
to face him in court, and they were really worried
that she wasn't going to be able to do it.
Not only did she fucking do it. When they said

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can you identify the killer? Is he in this room?
She stood up from the witness box, walked over to
Richard Speck, pointed into his face and they said, she
almost touched his face and said, this is the man.
Holy shit, And I just gave myself chills.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
And they I love that so much. Yeah, because it must.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Have been the fucking scariest thing in the world totally,
and she practically flicked his cheek and that's amazing, they said.
Because of that eyewitness account. The jury deliberated for forty
nine minutes before they came back with a death penalty.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
So on June fifth, Judge Herbert J. Passion sentenced Speck
to dieane electric chair.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
But they Illinois had to reverse.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
His death penalty because they said that they unconstitutionally excluded
potential jury members when they were trying to find the jury.
So instead, the judge that was forced to get to
vacate the death penalty gave him twelve hundred years in prison.

(51:32):
So every time he came up for parole after in
all the years he was in prison, he was denied
within ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Good can he even got a chance to plead his
case for parole.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I mean, I think the thing at the end of
the day, because they you know, they did they examined him,
you know, for like, was he insane?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
He does he did?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
He not know what he was doing? Was he incompetent
or whatever? And there was a psychologist to EU. They
did an examination of his brain, and they did see
that the hippocampus, which involves memory, and the amygdala, which
deals with rage and strong emotions, encroached upon each other

(52:18):
and the boundaries of the two were blurred. And a
neurologist who examined those the photos of those tissue samples,
because the real tissue samples were sent to a Boston
neurologist for further study and were lost or stolen, of course,
but a neurologist who examined photos of the tissue samples

(52:42):
along with the results of an EEG, said, I've never
heard of this type of abnormality in the history of neurology.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Weird.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
So any abnormality that exceptional has got to have an
exceptional consequence.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So it's all that combined with the you know, the
perfect storm of the horrible father, the childhood abuse. And
he also was diagnosed with the organic brain syndrome because
of the.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Hit his head as a kid.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That's right, he fell from a tree at White Rock
Lake when he was an adolescent and he suffered cerebral injuries.
Kind of bitch, it's there again, isn't that The weirdest
thing in the world.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
So but anyway, also, I would just like to say
he took reds I think is what they called them
at the time, which was basically speed, and he would
take like handfuls of them at a time. And as
a person who took Fenn Fenn in the nineties, I
would just like to say I would take two a day,
and I was a monster. I was a lunatic on

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those pills for like two years. The fact that he
like abused that kind of like amphetamine, he must have been.
I mean, he's already crazy, monster, He's already a monster,
and then he's on pills that make you even more
of a monster. So just to kind of, like, you know,
to somehow connect with what happened in that dormitory because

(54:16):
it was like living hell. Yeah, and that's what drugs
do to you. Fuck. I mean, not to be your
mom about it, be my aunt. Look, the weird ant
is here in every way. Don't do what I do. Kids.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Here's the thing that everybody talks about about Richard Speck.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Though, aside from that terrible killing and being this like
loathed mass murderer, there's a very famous video that got
sent to Bill Curtis, our man, Bill Curtis, that someone,
an anonymous attorney sent it to Bill Curtis in nineteen

(54:57):
eighty eight and someone in side the sorry.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
The jail where he was.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
So I don't know if it's Cook County or if
it was in a different jail, but someone they made
a video of what the what it was like to
be a prisoner in this jail. And this is the
video where where Richard Speck is in women's underwear and
no shirt and he has small women's breasts because he
was taking hormones to transition. While he was in jail,

(55:33):
he was able to smuggle hormones in so he had
basically had like kind of like very perky be cup breasts.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I've never seen this.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
It's so disturbing. He's just and he sits there with
no shirt on, with his little boobs in women's underwear,
talking about these murders, and it is fucked well. He's
he's clearly trying to be the big man because there's
an another prisoner sitting next to him, so he's just
talking about how strong you have to be to strangle somebody.

(56:05):
And then it's not like you see it on TV.
It takes a long time.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And he talks about how the.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
One of the women that he killed was flirting with him.
Just crazy shit that like when you see it, you're like, yeah,
it's so they showed it. The Illinois legislature packed an
auditorium and they showed it. What and they ended up
turning it off when it came to the part where
Richard Speck started filating the prisoner that he was sitting

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next to.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
What the actual fuck?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
And it was basically they some I read somewhere that
it said that they did it because they wanted to
bring the death penalty back. They were mad that Illinois
got rid of the death penalty, and they were it
was basically trying to say, this is what's happening. They're
just sitting in prison, you know, having this great time.
And that was one of the quotes. Richard Speck said,
if they knew how much fun I was having in
there in here, they set me free. Oh my god, dude,

(57:03):
But too bad for you, because Richard spect died of
a heart attack in prison. Good and they say no
one claimed the body, but he was cremated and his
ashes were sprinkled somewhere.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
So somebody must have done something.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
They really sprinkled.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
They didn't say somewhere near Juliet.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And that is the super bummer story of Richard's back.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
What a piece of shit?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah yeah, But then you go, what if his dad
didn't die and he just got to stay in his
hometown and have that life sliding doors?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Or what if his stepdad was just like a peg
like happy drunk who was like cool.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
What if he was like the best he What if
he's like an ex pirate who was just like, I
love this fucking parrot on my shoulder and I love life.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Is just his mom's boyfriend, and he was cool.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
It was mom's peg like boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
It was chill, listen. You don't have to marry every
fucking dude you meet, that's right, Mom.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
You should probably marry very few of.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
That most most of them you should marry.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
At most four over your lifetime to six.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, and like that's if you're going to live to
be like ninety three or four.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I do not plan on doing. I'll do it if
I'm like, good, you got your little house coat on.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Yeah, my grandma played cards and stuff. She was in
her late nineties. Yeah, house coats. You know, like I
already act like a fucking ninety five years.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Just sitting on a heating path right now, psionic nerdy,
my favorite murder.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
We're about to give a big old high five to Australia,
oh by talking about the deadliest mass shooting in Australian history,
the Port Arthur massacre. Fuck, here we go. So it
was early nineteen eighty seven, Martin Bryant, nineteen year old

(59:05):
dude IQ of sixty six. Yeah, that face you're making
is correct, meets a fifty four year old woman. She's
a hairess to a lottery fortune. I'm sure I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Did you call her a hairess?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Did I call her a heiress? One pain bills hairess
and an heiress?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I was like, she's one of the Harrisses.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Can you talk?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
We start? No, No, we cannot. You guys so much
pain right now, here's the pain.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I've been so much pain.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
She's a hairess harriss. Sorry, sorry, no.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
You're I'm glad you pointed that out Otherwise I'm like,
what the fuck? All right, fifty four year old Helen
Mary Elizabeth Harvey is an heiress to a lottery fortune.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Well, sorry, if you win the lottery, Like, I don't
know if this means so can call yourself a hairess.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, I don't know if she's a hairess to a shit.
It's a share in the tattered Saul's lottery fortune. So
they could be like the head of a lottery. Got it.
I don't know. Australia is different than here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
I guess if you started the lottery, were the richest
one of all ud Okay, yeah, got it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Uh. So he's a lawnmower and he meets her while
he's looking for more customers, and they befriend each other.
He becomes a regular visitor to her. All right, you
ready for some fucking Gray Gardens action? Hello? Yes, all right,
neglected new town mansion and assists was tasks such as

(01:00:35):
feeding their fourteen dogs that are living inside the house. Yes,
like me and the forty cats living inside of her.
She's Karen, You and I need to move there immediately.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
All of our cant and dog dreams can come true.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
And we have a hot, stupid nineteen year old fucking
doing shit, just mowing that lawn. That's a Gray Gardens shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I mean, first of all, the level of dog than
cat fighting if you had sixteen dogs and forty cats,
what the fuck cats win? I would just be walking
around all the equis goods, smoky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
But you know they're like, be nice to your assistance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
We could do it with an Australian accent. I won't
even I can.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I don't want to off a bunch of more Australians.
Hunter after incorrectly saying that one of their murders was
from or one of New Zealand's murders with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
New Zealand Day, they were the ones that got pissed, true,
and they're.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
The ones you don't fuck with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah, Lord of the Rings, Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Harris anyways, Harris, I like Harris Harris. So in June
of nineteen ninety, the family or the house was finally
reported to the health authorities and medics found that Mary
and her mom were in need of urgent hospital treatment.
The seventy nine year old mother, Hilva, died several weeks later.

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A cleanup order was placed and Martin's father was like
going to try to help clean everything up because he's
like taking care of his stupid son all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So should you be saying that, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
He is a mass murderer. I don't think anyone cares.
That's okay, Okay, No, you're right saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
I don't know. I'm so there's scared of correction corner.
I mean, you're correct. My correction corner just keeps getting bigger.
You come correct, that's straight corner. Let's come correct.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah. So Mary invites Martin to live with her in
this mansion and they start spending huge amounts of money.
They purchase more than thirty new cars in less than
three years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
What I know that this is the Harris, the Harris
and her lawnmower.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Harris and are hot. I don't know if he's hot,
her fucking new boyfriend? Got it? Yeah? Are weed?

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Are they boyfriend with it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I don't know. I don't think it's explicitly says, but
I think it's like, if they're not boning, there's some
like relationship. Okay, got it. So, So Martin is reassessed
for his pension, and a note attached to his paperwork says,
at the time, father protects him from any occasion which

(01:03:13):
might upset him as he continually threatens violence. Martin tells
me he would like to go around shooting people. It
would be unsafe to allow Martin out of his parents' control.
That's why I said, have to take care of his
stupid son, right, Oh, got it? Not because I'm a
terrible person. Right. So in ninety one, Mary and Martin

(01:03:34):
moved into a seventy two acre firm and the neighbors
said he always carried an air gun and offered fired
at taurists as they stopped to buy apples at a
stall on the highway, and he would roam around the
property find the gun at dogs when they barked at him,
which is probably always because he was a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Also, when you fire guns, that makes dogs bark, so
it's kind of a self perpetuating situation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Very dog expert gun firing got a dog expert.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
But it was an air that was he was firing
an air gun. So he was just he was just
going in the emotions, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yeah. So then on October twentieth, nineteen ninety two, Mary
his Harris was killed in a car wreck and her
car veered on the wrong side of the road and
hit an oncoming car directly, and Martin was inside the
car at the time of the accident and it was hospitalized,
but he was investigatd by police because he had a

(01:04:37):
habit of lunging for the steering wheel and she had
already had three accidents as a result of him doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Hold on, Yeah, then what after the first time, aren't
you like you don't get to come into the car anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
She was an old hairiss and like she needed company.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
She hit, Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
My brother, if he's in the car with me and
I'm driving, he fucks with me. I mean, he doesn't
one to the steering wheel, but he fucking won't stop
turning the fucking windshill wipers on every five fucking minutes.
When we're stopping the stop light. He pulls the emergency
brake every fucking time to dead fuck with me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That reminds me of my cousin Stevie when he finally
got his license. I was like ten and he was sixteen,
and he would drive me home from school and then
as he was driving down the road, he'd go dead
body and just fall over and I would have to
jump over and start steering from the passenger seats.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
So dangerous.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
He did shit like that constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Can I out Marty my dad real quick? When we
used to fucking he used to drive us up to
Lake Arrawhead, where he lived for a while, like these dark,
windy roads and we'd say, Dad, how would I drive?
And he'd go, Georgia would drive like this, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Then Lee, how would I drive? Dad? Lee?

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
You would drive like this dark fucking mountain, like no
guardrail over. Georgia would drive. I think it was just
a shut the fuck, like, just shut us up. Yes,
after well, it's boring. Yeah, I mean it's boring to
hang out little kids. It's a boring man, I make
it interesting. We almost died so many times.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
God, that's so hilarious. I remember one time being so
small that I could stand up in the backseat of
my dad's VW Bow.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I could stand behind the driver's.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Sit on the seat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I was standing on the floor of the car. I
was as tall as the seat, so I was probably five,
and I thought it was really funny. I reached up
and just covered my dad's eyes and his reaction was
to start laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
But he was like, knock it off, knock it off,
and he would pull.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Up my hands. And then that was like the game
on that car trip. So I would do it, and
then the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Next time I did it was like a little crazy monkey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I wouldn't take my hands off, like he couldn't peel
and he was like, God, says christ I'm done kill
you have to let go. I can't see it was now.
I'm just having a these recovered memories of because we
lived out in the country too, so you had a
lot longer before something bad was going to happen when
stuff like that was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
How are we alive?

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Maybe we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
You know what, maybe this is a Jacob Slaughter situation.
That's not nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
It's just like going pretty well, it's pretty fun, you guys.
I like it. That's why we're number one. It's just
a truth. It's just not real. There's like no way
in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
A massive hallucination and then we're about to get dropped
into the battles of him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Chris Hardwick is like, why would you think that this
would be real, that you would be bigger than me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Oh? Please, No one's bigger than Chris Harden.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
My head hurts, okay what and back and my butt
so d da da da da Okay. He was the
sole beneficiary of her will and came into yes, but
five hundred and fifty thousand dollars that much money, well,
I guess, you know, after taxes. Yeah, and he didn't

(01:08:00):
know shit about money. His mother applied and was granted
guardianship of the money, so his assets were under the
management of public trustees because he had diminished intellectual capacity.
I see, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So after
her death, Martin's father, Maurice looked after the farm that

(01:08:23):
they had fucking lived on with all the animals, and
he returned home after the hospital as a convalesce. Let's see.
His father had been prescribed antidepressants, and two months later,
on August fourteenth, a visitor looking for the father Maurice

(01:08:43):
found a note saying call the police. Pined to the
door and found several thousand dollars in his car. There
was no criminal intense suspected, let's see. They searched the
property without success. The divers were called to search the
four dams on the property, and on August sixteenth, his

(01:09:04):
body was found in the dam close to the farmhouse,
with one of Martin's diving weight belts around his neck.
Police described the death as unnatural and that the death
was ruled a suicide. And Martin Martin inherited his father's

(01:09:24):
money as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Sorry they okay.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
No, no, just they ruled it unnatural.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I think, meaning he had committed suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Not that, okay, Martin, Okay, dang okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, so like he didn't fall in on accident, I
got it. Okay. So Martin comes becomes super weird.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
He now he's by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, I think his mom. His mom like can't keep
custody of him. So he's living on this place. He
becomes super weird. He starts where he starts, instead of
dressing normally, wears graylen en suit, crack cravat. I don't
know if that is. That's a French for a tie,
thank you, linen skin shoes, and a Panama hat, while
carrying a briefcase during the day, telling anyone who listened

(01:10:06):
that he had a well paying career.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
So he's playing successful adults.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Yeah, God, and he got super lonely. He starts visiting
various overseas countries more than fourteen times in two years. Oh,
it's like basically living life all of us want without
the murder part, right, I don't just like enjoy it, dude. Yeah,
he hates all the destinations he goes to, but he
enjoys the flights as he could speak to the people

(01:10:33):
sitting next to him, who had no choice but to
listen and be polite. Okay, yeah, this is when you
stop having any.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
There's no left.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
But also, I mean that alone is nightmarish enough a
person who intentionally flies to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I've gotten really lucky in my travels that I have
everyone I sit next to is like, by nope.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yes you know same here. But because of us, like
I think we.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Can send off a signal of absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
So when I take obviously, take a pill, put a
scarf around my entire face and head, yeah, and start
snoring with a neck pillow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I would be the girl that'd be like, hey, have
you seen stranger things?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Where'd you get that scarf?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You know what? Can I ask you four quick questions
before you not all?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
But do you ever sit in front of the people
who are like having the best conversation and you want
both to die?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
There's nothing I hate more because it's a bitterness in me.
But it's also that kind of thing of like this
is performative. You are you are having a conversation, sure,
but you're loving the fact that other people can hear
you having.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
This conversation, and you're also like, can you be a
little more what's the word like gone gone in your
life that you don't need to speak to strangers all
the time. Oh yeah, And like the nicest people I
know in the world meet people on the plane next
to them and end up like in long term friendships
with them and helping it. Like they're really good people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
What I name names right now, so that I never
talk to them again? Fuck that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
I just can't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
It's a way, it's not necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
That's like just trying to talk to everybody you see.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
On the street. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I mean, if some magical, meat cute thing happens where
like oh my god, you're you're reading the book I
wrote or whatever, that's fine, that's fine. But I mean,
come on, unless you have been in solitary confinement for
twenty years, leave people alone.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
I don't want to I don't want to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
That's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Well he does that, so we hate him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah. I mean, well, if it's a guy in a
gray linen suit who has like who likes guns, no.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And he's probably in first class.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Oh yeah, well he didn't have that much money.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
I mean, five hundred and fifty thousand dollars isn't gonna
last you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
No, fourteen countries?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Also, yeah, because that right there is what if first
class is a thousand bucks like first class?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I love first class too. That never happens. Yeah, if
we ever do tours, let's have that be on our
We'll only do it for first class, and then you
and I could be the most obnoxious people in first class.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Here's the thing. If now everything I just said only
applies to coach. If I'm in first class, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Hi, how'd you get up here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Where are you from? What's your middle name? I'll fucking
talk to you all dig day long?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Could she get into my pills?

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I am totally stealing your pill feelings. I'm feeling it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Do you? How's my air right now?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I actually like it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Everyone everyone, and I look fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Let me take a quick pick. Oh no, it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Okay, I'm so tired. Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna post it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I don't give a fuck. I don't give a shit
about dick correction corner. That photo is not what I
look like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
I'm giving shit about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Things are breaking down. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I just realized her. I meant to talk to you
about two things. The show Ta Lula on that right,
the movie the movie to Lula on Netflix, and also
that they're making a Jim Jones movie.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
What who?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yeah, I don't. Let's let's talk about next time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
What correction corner?

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
This is opening? This is opening? Shiit not me talking
about all right, day of the shooting. Let's get it there,
got it, let's get there. He's getting for all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Of Australia is on final with rage. You shut up,
fucking dumbasses.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
He's getting ship faced all the time. He's drinking a
lot of boots. Oh, I wanted to tell you that
he drinks half a bottle of sambuca and a bottle
of Irish Bailey's Irish Cream every day, supplemented with pork wine.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
What that is when I'm twenty three? Does they also
smoke clothes?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
That is all just the sweetest. That's man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
No, that's like saying you want just drink a milkshake.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
That's the equivalent of hitting your head as a kid. Really,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Wait, Sambuca and Bailey's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Sambuca, Bailey's and port wine, which is just sweet dessert wine. Oh,
it's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
That's like drinking barf.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah, he's drinking when like a sorority girl drinks her
first time drinking. Yeah, and or second. All right, day
of the shooting. Sorry, here we go, I'm posting this
picture right now. Okay. His first victims are poor, poor
David and Sally Martin. No no relation. Oh wait no,
his first name is Martin, so of course it wouldn't
be anyways, moving on, they own they own the bed

(01:15:45):
and Breakfast guest house that the Martins had bought. So
this family had bought the BMB that Bryant's father had
wanted to buy and uh, and he believed that the
Martins had deliberately bought the property to hurt his family
and blamed them for the depression that led to his
dad's death. So he shoots them in the guesthouse. And

(01:16:09):
then he goes to Port Arthur Ruins and he enters
the Broad Arrow Cafe. He eats, and then he goes
to the back of the cafe, sets a video camera
on a vacant table, takes out a semi automatic rifle
and begins shooting patrons and staff. Within fifteen seconds, he'd
fired seventeen shots, killing twelve people and wounding ten. Then

(01:16:30):
he walks to the other side of the shop and
fires twelve more times, killing another eight people and wounding two.
He then changes magazines before fleeing, shooting six people in
the car park and from his cars he drove away.
Four were killed in an additional six were injured.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Oh my fuck, and he recorded it on a video camera.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Guy's a piece of shit drives down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
He's crazy though, I mean like that's He's not okay
in any way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
He's insane. Oh. He goes down the road. Wait, it
gets worse. There's a woman and her two children walking.
He stops and fires two shots, killing the woman and
the child she was carrying. Oh, the older child gets
killed too. I don't want to. Then he steals a
BMW by killing all four of its occupant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
God damn.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
And then a short distance down the road, he stops
beside a couple in a white Toyota and drawing his weapon,
ordered the man into the boot of the BMW. After
shutting the boot, he fires two shots into the windscreen
of the Toyota. Killing the female driver. Oh. He goes
back to the guesthouse with the guy in his trunk,

(01:17:44):
sets the sets the stolen carn fire, and takes the
hostage inside with the with the corpses of the BMB people.
So he goes back to the BA.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
He didn't light the carn fire and leave the guy
and say okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
The police get there and they try to negotiate for
many hours, and then the phone dies in the battery
phone dies. His only demand was to be transported army
helicopter to an airport, Like you're gonna fucking get away, dude, just.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Well sixty six IQ, he's just improving. So at some
point he kills his hostage. The next morning, it's been
eighteen hours since he's been there. He sets fire to
the guesthouse and attempts to escape. He gets burns on
his back and butt and was captured and taken into

(01:18:31):
the hospital and he's treated and kept under heavy guard.
Let's see okay, sorry, it was okay. So the guy
gets shot before the standoff or had and had died
in the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Let's see sorry. So initially he pleads not guilty to
the thirty five murders. Oh my, God and didn't provide
any confession. However, he changed his fleet of guilty before
a court hearing on in November nineteenth nine ninety six.
Found guilty of all charges. The judge orders that all

(01:19:13):
evidence for the case be sealed. I don't understand. I
guess he just doesn't want the video to get out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
You'll probably right if he's already, because if he's already
pleaded guilty, he's going to go to jail. So yeah,
that guy was like, we're shutting this circus down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Now, make this be a thing that's good. He's sentenced
to thirty five life sentences as many people as he killed,
plus one thousand and thirty five years in prison. So
he's still there in solitary confinement. No one but his
immediate family is allowed to visit him. He's never to
be released. It says no parole, which is very rare

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in Australia. The majority of murder sentences allowed for the
possibility parole after a long prison sentence. So his motivation
for the massacre remains a guarded secret, only known to
his lawyer, who is bound not to reveal without his
client's consent. So we don't know what triggered it, why

(01:20:10):
he started? What made him fucking go over the edge
of it? Obviously all of these.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Like slow build for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Yeah that I had, yeah described.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
And there's they don't suspect that he killed his father
and made it look like a suicide.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I don't think so no, oh that's wow. So yeah,
so the Port Arthur massacre. But it I mean it
brought everyone together, It made people aware and yeah, it's
just this horrible thing. So Martin Bryant Dick.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Did I mean like what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
I guess you wouldn't know, but like it just makes
me think was that location part of his reason, part
of the thing that hasn't been explained totally?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Or like was there one person of those thirty five
that he was specifically targeting?

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
The video? It just freaks me out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Why would he Yeah, why would he put a video camera?

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
It's so like, yeah, there is such a plan in place.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Obviously, it's such a like I want everyone to know
how like how I feel. It's almost like this, look
at what Look how awful I feel? Yes? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
And also look what I can do? Yeah, and look
what it's that thing I'm like that's guns is like
look at the control I have over the world I
live in it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
How little safety you actually have even you think you have.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
It's my world. You're just players in it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Right right, And the moment you think, you think you
have the serene safety, and I can fucking change that
in a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Also, I wonder what h if he had head injuries
in that car accident, I mean a head on collision
where the one person dies.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
I think he did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
God, that's heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I know. Should we read a hometown?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Isn't this nine hours long?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Already?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
You're right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Let's do a separate home summerder next week. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Save those for the Minnesotes because then they just go
by then like they do. People know to expect them,
and that's true. Sit there and wait for theirs like
it's christmasy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, well, you guys, go to my favorite murder on Twitter,
my favorite murder on Instagram. We have a a Facebook
fan page. Now, oh my god, you did not post
that photo.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Yeah. I took a picture of Georgia's hair, Karen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
I wanted to capture the feel.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
This picture really embodies how this episode feels.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Your hair is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
I love it, totally insanity.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
It's the great worst photo I've ever seen myself and
yet I'm so I want that to be my new headshot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
It should be because you look gorgeous, wonderful teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Go to my favorite murder. I'm a seeing baby Angel.
I've remembered seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Baby angle forever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
That says Hebrew. That's on Twitter, and I'm gonna put
it on Instagram because fuck everything, I'll put it on.
So MFM podcast is our Facebook fan page because we
can't write the word murder.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Oh how's the Facebook fan page going? I'm posting the
little things? It's fun, okay, Yeah, it's people are joining it.
Is that even Yeah, I don't know how that works.
They're joining it, and it shows you how many people
it has quote.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Reached, which I don't completely understand. Oh, I see, you
know what I'm saying. But there's also the good old
and you guys were getting ready to watch fucking Joan Benet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Oh you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
This Sunday the eighteenth is the Jean been A. What's
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Called the docu?

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
It's the real one. It's on CBS. It's like I've
been trying to watch like four other ones that they're posting.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Now they all cropped up real fast.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
They're all they all crapped up real fast.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Oh yeah, that was good, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
They we talk about we'll watch the Doctor philth situation
and talk about Burke Ramsey and oh right, we'll get that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Can I just say this is half a brag and
then also half an excuse is that I did brag
that I had an insider at Doctor Phil and then
I found out from because we talked about it for
a while. But then I basically called her and said,
you have to tell me the second that interview happens.
You have to tell me if anything gets revealed. And
she was like, did I say this already on the air?

(01:24:23):
She was like, A recorded that three months ago, nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Say I was boring.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
She said, it was boring.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
But but I don't think that's how people actually feel
about it, because we've been getting people tweeting to us
where it was like this is creepy and he looks
weird and stuff. So I think she's just a jaded
working in television. If anyone out there is interested in
doing it, it ruins everything for you. It does all
enjoyment is taken away from every facet of entertainment. As

(01:24:49):
a person who was living it. I had the while
I was like one, I was so excited when we
talked about it. First call my friend and it's like,
forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Well, I think we need an all Jemina all the
time episode.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yes, I think we should definitely do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
We'll do that. I have a new my new theory
that I'll talk about once. Do you know I have
I have a theory that I think is now correct
that I will talk about once we watch the good episode.
We're calling it what are we going? What are we
gonna call it? The good one? The CBS episode is
we had the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
The real One. It's like the real World, the real.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
World, call it the real World.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
We're gonna watch the Real World this Sunday, and then
we're going to podcast right afterwards so that we give
you a fresh the freshest of takes. Maybe we'll do
it so that well, no, I guess people.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Will I mean the next morning, we'll do something.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
It'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
We have plans. We are very we are very organized.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
I blocked out Sunday night so we could do it
night of. I don't know if you did, though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
No, but you can go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Oh girls, thanks for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
You guys are the best week.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Oh we love you, And.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
I forgot how we ended this because some onth Oh,
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
How we end by me telling you to stay sexy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
And me telling you don't get murdered. Elvis wants a cookie.
He knows Elvis, I know he don't want a cookie.
He totally knows. Good boy. Thanks for listening, guys, Bye
bye