43 - In Arrears

This week on My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia talk with their mouths about a tragic murder/suicide at the International Dunes Hotel and the still-unsolved Chicago Tylenol poisonings.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let's hurt a punk band.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Okay, Hey, what should the name of it be?

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hard Kill?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Okay? All right, all right, bye.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Uh welcome to my Favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
My name's Karen Kilgarriff. That's Georgia Heart start.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
We're here to talk about true crime murders and how
it feels to be alive in late twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Georgia, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh, let's fucking get in. No, I don't know. Do
you really want to ask me that question? Dude, let's
go to the phones. When you say late twenty sixteen,
that makes I think that someday this will be like
a time capsule. Someone and hold on. I feel like
I'm talking with my mouth, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
That, Like you are talking with your mouth the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just need a bite of something, and I have
that like weird.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Chewed up food. Yeah, that weird chewed up food that you.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Get in your mouth and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Sometimes it's dinner, breakfast, sometimes sometimes lunch, I don't know, snacks.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Time capsule, Hello to twenty fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I mean, seriously, everything that you do that gets put
on the Internet is permanent.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I remember the Internet post down and everything I.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Don't believe that that's very true. Unless the grid goes down,
I think all of society ends. That's what I really
think is.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I actually don't feel that this is going to be
a time capsule because it's all going to go down.
There's a really great book that I won't remember. Is
it called It's All Going to Go Down?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, But I haven't written it yet, and it's not
based on anything science or it's not like your computer
person or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's just kind of like.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
They're going to do account in twenty fifty and the
word dude is going to appear four thousand times in
my book, Dude, bro, dude. So then.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I texted Georgia. Sorry, I went away for a second
because I had to remember this. But I don't know
what you're going to say, and I'm scared. I texted Georgia. No,
it was just about something. But I in the text
I called you dude. It was like something congratulatory, and
I was like, way to go, dude, and you wrote back,
that's so dude.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I know. I saw that later. I did you do
it on purpose? No?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Okay, I couldn't figure out if you were being It
felt like you were like thanks, Like it was like
you going, yeah, thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
No, what I meant to write actually was thanks, dude,
but instead I wrote that's dude, that's so dude's dude,
and I didn't I didn't notice until like hours later.
So I was like, well, I'm not going to bother her.
It's like it was like nighttime on a Saturday. I'm
im gonna bother her now. So that's a dude. Like,
she's got to know what I mean. I'm little bit

(03:07):
I looked at it.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I was just like, she might be telling me to
fuck off right now, although there's really no reason to anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
If I'm telling you to fuck off, it's because I
miswrote something.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Oh because like you type did it because you were
trying to write thanks dude?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And if I put an exclamation mark, it's friendly. Oh okay.
If I put a period, it's not so friendly. If
there's no punctuation.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
You're driving, Yeah, you to hell? Are we do? We
have some corners. I have a correction corner, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Which I kind of love because it's I think it's hilarious.
But last week in Our very in a very special episode.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, in the breakdown.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Episode and the breakdown wheneverything went wrong when when the
grid started to sizzle yep, and in the beginning and
now it's fully a flame. Yeah, and in twenty fifty
when it's completely down, this won't matter. But I said
that the moment I saw what I meant was the
moment on TV on Tuesday night when I saw Rachel
Maddow's face fall. I was like, Oh, we're fucked, yes,

(04:09):
But I instead I said An Maddox, which is a
girlfriend of mine who's like super straight knops someone you
know in real LiH totally. It's like a friend of
mine who's a comedian. She's super funny, like she's great.
But I was just like, I saw Anne mad and
Madow Maddox, and I was just like, man, when I

(04:29):
saw Anne Maddox's face, that's really cooll. I haven't seen
her in a while. So that's not what happened.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Somebody actually tweeted to us, and it was just with
the quotes surrounded of you saying when you kept saying,
don't marrow.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh, that's another correction. That's I don't know if that's
correction corner as much as it's like stroke corner.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
It's we should have stroke out corner because it's it
happens constantly, and when you were doing it, it sounded
right to me.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Every time. That scares me because A, it wasn't drinking.
You know, that was your mistake. I can't fund that
was the problem I said. I said become a I
was meaning to say, become a bone marrow donor. But
twice in a row I said don't marrow, and I didn't.
I would have kept going if you hadn't said and
you said don't marrow, and I was like, yeah, I would.

(05:16):
I didn't even notice.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's and those are the kind of things I feel
like such a It makes me feel like an asshole.
But I know that people listening are like, but that
just happened like it would. It drives me crazy when
I when I listen to podcasts and something happens and
then your brain explodes because nobody says anything about her.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
It feels like people don't notice.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I want to be called out on my shit all
the time. Okay, I want to be fucking imperfect and
okay with it? Yes, same here me too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I mean I think we're pretty good about that about
being imperfect, well being imperfect and mentioning it.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
We are I think we do it. We do it
well well because I trust you.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I know that when you mention it to me, you're
just it's not because you're trying to like, yeah, make
me feel small.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You're just like, here's what's actually happened.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Good personality. I know. That's why the other day when
you told you called me out on saying the word
fucking all the time, I didn't. I know you didn't
mean it like that. Oh okay, oh you did it
if I did, like, but I know intention you know intention?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Okay, good, it's very well, it's good. This is we're
really building a bridge of lover.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We are.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
It feels I mean, we need it now now more
than times now, I mean twenty sixteen now.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
More than ever, now, more than ever.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I have a this is a this is a very
official corrections corner that I really like. Okay, and it's
from Milo. I don't know if I'm assuming Milo is
a man. Uh, And it's I love this Okay, So
it's misuse of the word psychotic. Oh okay, hello, Karen
and Georgia. I'm a big fan of my favorite murder.

(06:47):
But one thing that I have noticed is a misuse
slash abuse of the word psychotic. This is all me
because I love my mom was a psychiatric nurse, right,
so I use a lot of the terminology that she
used to throw around, but she knew what it meant.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
And I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well when you say you say things psychopath, he was
you know, he was a psycho whatever? Right, Yeah, it's
in our vernacular. But I like hearing this me too.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Okay, so ready, psychopathy, socio sociopathy. I don't know how
you pronounced that one is different from psychosis. People suffering
from psychosis are actually less likely to commit violent crime
than the general public, and are actually more likely to
have violent crime committed against them.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That's so interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
While there are those who have mood disorders or display
psychotic behavior that do commit violent crime, like Richard Chase,
Vincent Lee, who I don't know who that is and
now must know, yes, l I, the ways we judge
them should be different than the ways we judge people
who have more awareness for the crimes that they commit.
That's all I wanted to say. Thank you for your

(07:50):
awesome podcast, Milow.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Thanks Milow, Milo.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
First of all, I hope that this is true and
that you are some kind of psychopath. Mile you are
such a psychopathea of sending that, No, you know that
you're qualified in some way, but you're telling us this
from a place of education.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean it, We'll just take idea.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
I'm sure it's correct.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I guess we'll have to double check it.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I like I like hearing that. Remember when, Remember when,
like it was like twenty five percent of people are
a psychopaths and then you're like, corrections quarter, it's only
one quarter.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yes, yeah, I get intimidated by numbers. They're scary, but
I love psychological terminology.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Also, there was somebody that wrote to.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Us that that.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Uh was offended by something.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
They were offended by.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
They were offended by something, but it was a thing
where uh it was it was almost just like.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
A little it's a note to be careful of how
we are.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Judgmental when people have a mental illness.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
I was just going to say that because we just
read a hometown story where they said that someone someone
must found out that they were bipolar, and I immediately
didn't want to say what they were because because that's
not an indication that you're going to be a murderer
or that you're well, you mentally ill, but that you're
you know, dangerous or yeah, it just doesn't need the stigma. Yeah.

(09:17):
I know people who are bipolar and they're very awesome people.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't I hate unless it's something extreme and and clear.
I don't want to say that that person is has
this mental illness. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And and I think as being conversational and reading stories,
and especially when we're talking about killers or serial killers,
we can be we can play it very fast and
loose with judgments about them because we feel like, well,
they're clearly a villain. Right. But the point that this
person was making was a little bit more like, you know,
just not everybody that has a mental disorder is a killer,

(09:55):
and that makes people if you hear the thing that
you have. But but it's as if like that's everybody.
We never want to make anybody feel like that now.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Quite the opposite, especially with mental with mental illness and disorders,
which were very big on, like fucking everyone has them,
and some people treat them and some don't. And you
shouldn't be scared to treat them because you found out
that a fucking serial killer has it.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I don't want to yeah, or like it's just on
this podcast. We're not judging you. No, that's not what
we try are trying to do, and we'll try to
be careful about it. We're judging murderers. Yeah, we get
to pick and choose, so we judge, and we'll adjust
it weekly based on how much feedback we get on Twitter.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Just always know we're good people. We're the best people.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Always give us the benefit of it out even if
we're being insanely affect You're probably wrong, not a I
just want to clear that.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Such an official corrections corner this week.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Sug So Maddox shout out shots and Maddox, you're doing
such a great job helping us through our political times.
What eu oh shirt, there's new shirts up? Oh yeah,
I love that new shirt. Oh yeah, okay, fuck politeness,
Fuck politeness. And then it says murdering underneathing. This says
my favorite murder underneathing. Oh my favorite. It just looks

(11:06):
like kind of looks like the Murderino design. Sure it's cool,
So my favorite murder shirts dot com. Today, in a
fit of fucking rage and anarchy, I posted fuck politeness
shirt that Kat Solan. You know what's so funny? Is.
Last week on Tuesday, I was gonna I had like
made it. I was going to post the new fuck
politeness shirt and she had given me two designs since

(11:26):
I was like, you know what, I'm going to save
it for tomorrow, for a Wednesday after the election, and
I'm going to say to everyone, like, now comes the
real vote, which style do you like better? Because I thought,
you know, yeah, I thought you thought you'd have some
fun with it. Yeah, like, now that that's out of
the way and everything is great and fine, yeah, here's
the real important election. What do you elect for? So
it hasn't happened. And then today I got really angry

(11:48):
and I've been listening to Dead Kennedy's and so I posted.
I just posted it. I think one. It's very cool,
thank you, and we're gonna give a percentage. We don't
work still fer you alay out donations, but ACLU is
gonna get a big fucking fat check from us based
on these shirts. So buy one. So fuck politeness and
buy one please, but first and tank tops and mugs too.

(12:10):
Oh cool.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
We we were talking about this earlier. Fuck politeness, but
also in these very difficult times, be careful of the
people around you, be sensitive and try to connect on
a human level in a way that you normally don't.
Maybe I think it's super important that people around you
understand that you care about them. Yeah, and if you

(12:35):
are the kind of person who doesn't care about people,
do your thing. But I just want to underline that
fuck politeness in our world means don't sacrifice yourself on
the altar of politeness, because that could be dangerous for you.
But it also it does not mean fuck the people
around you in general, especially now, especially now, now is

(12:57):
the time to be even more kind of caring and connected.
Just don't like, let people follow you to your car,
and shit, it's we're talking safety versus you know, when
you're talking to the person at Starbucks, be nicer than
you normally would be because everyone's freaked out.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
But if you're being intimidated and you're scared of something,
you know, it's a kind of a trust your gut
type of type of saying.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, you guys know what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
But then there's also underliner, there's the mister Rogers quote
of you know how his mom always said, look for
the helpers in any bad situation, look for the helpers. Well,
how about let's be helpers. Be helpers. Exactly, yeah, exactly,
so right now, I think the most important thing we
can do is freak the fuck out hide under Oh no, no, no, no,
take all your money on it. No sorry, no Switzerland.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Now, speaking of being helpers, this is my favorite thing
that's happened to me in a while. So I'm no brag.
In the Writer's Guild of America. Look, I've been waiting
to lord this over you for a while. This whole time,
I've been talking to a Writer's Guild number.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
So in the Writer's Guild, they have this thing where, no,
I do think it's really cool though, by the way,
they just want to say that that I'm in the
Writer's I mean in the Writer's Guild is a fucking
cool thing.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh thanks, No, I'm glad I mentioned it. No, but
they they do this thing where normally in every other
like entertainment union, they send you a thing that says, oh,
you now, the your yearly dues are one hundred and
sixty or whatever. But because it's writers and most of
us are freelance, they base your dues on based on
how much money you made that year, which is per quarter,

(14:37):
which is based on it's so impossible.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
The second I start.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Thinking about it, I shut down and like go and
sit in front of the TV like in protest.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You big old I can't.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I can't. It's like math. It's all the things I hate.
I get overwhelmed. So I have been in arrears and
my dues at the WG. What interrears? Yeah, you texted
me that today and I don't know what that means. Oh,
it just means you haven't paid your dues and you can't.
If you do it long enough, they suspend your your
membership and then you can't work.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
So that's how I can't. My Sparklet's membership is I'm
overdue on that. That's why you saw all those empty
bottles when you walked up my stae.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Very careful. You don't want to get into arrears with
the Sparklets. Guy, I'm in arrears, spark he will kick
you in the arrears.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So such a dad joke. It's amazing. I love dad jokes.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
So I have a lot of these things in my
life right now, but one of them is this the
dues that I don't know how to figure out how
much I need to send and I won't take the
time like everybody else does to sit down and do
it because I think I'm better than other people.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
On special, aren't you a little bit?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
No, So it's a thing that's hanging over my head.
I get a letter today and I'm like, you have
to open this, you have to face this. So I
read the letter and the letter tells me exactly how
much I owe, and I'm like, oh, this is the letter,
this is what I need. This is exactly it. And
I read the rest of the letter and it's like,
please send it in in a timely fashion. It's just

(16:07):
it looks like a form letter, except for it has
my amount in it and the sign office stay sexy,
don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Fuck Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
So my friend at the WGA, who works in the
dues department and who sends out these letters all the time,
my new bestie helped me in a way that she
will never know how much.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
If she's actually just been using that sign off for
decades and she's going to sue us. And this first
time it actually hits someone who was who wasn't like
what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Finally someone could appreciate it. It was You'll never know
how much that helped me.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
It's such a little wink to you. It's such a compliment,
I know.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
But then also it's like a person was like, I'll
take care of.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
That, this ship, this podcast, man.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
I mean, she's not paying my dues. No, let's be
but that's the real face she should. I mean, you're
thousands and thousands of this.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Podcast, and I think after last week's episode that they
feel really good about. Yeah, the post election episode, and
all of our friends and all of our friends who
have been like I needed that, and I think we
I think we did what we were supposed to do,
which was in like a fucking overtly crazy political podcast,
but I like, here's the here's the general mood we're in,

(17:29):
and here's what we can do, which was awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
It just made me flash on though our reviews for
the sugar free gummy Bears and then for the Binner,
it was amazing. Now people are posting other reviews and
I read the one. I don't have the name, but
it's for the vitamin D milk and it is it's
called like something farms Vitamin D milk, and they've they've

(17:55):
posted on the Facebook page, but it's you can find it.
It's Amazon Reviews. It's the funniest, just like it's like
a jug of milk. It's a jug of milk. But
people are writing it like have you guys poured this
over dry cereal?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I mean, you have to read it. If some of
them are really short. One lady wrote this big long story.
It's the funniest thing.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I feel like, I feel like what happened last week
was what was supposed to happen. Sure really happy with it,
and people have been so fucking kind and cool. I know,
not on your Twitter probably or our Twitter. Twitter is different.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
We know it's a big garbage can of human waste,
of human waste, But on Instagram and everywhere else people,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
That's the thing about this fucking podcast is like it
makes me want to cry. I might cry. Go ahead,
this is me crying right chair. You're going to do
a dry cry. That's basically what I do because I'm
dead inside. But if I warrant, I'd be alive from
murderingos Oh. And also over the weekend, I went to Vince's.

(18:57):
We went to this like charity event and they have
these like free bracelets where you can you you pick
a word and they and they stamp it into this
metal and it's like your word of it. They said
to me, like, what's your word of intention that every
day you want to look at, you know, like breathe
or like you know, it's like one of those like
dream I intend to breathe today, Like no, I will

(19:19):
you know those like rocks that you get it like
fucking bed bath and beyond, say like dream blood, build
be happy.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Whatever the fuck it sounded, just just know it just
sounded a little bit like you said, dream blood.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
That's what I got with it. No. I was like, okay,
uh can I get SSDGF So I haven't I have
one of these thatso stay sex you don't get murdered? Initial, right,
And I want to give it to someone at the
Chicago Podcast Festival, Right, I need to give it to someone.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, just you mean to pick someone? Yeah, you throw it.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
You could pick someone you slip into their pocket and
that you they never see.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's a fun way, right.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I just want to And I know it's such a
fucking trivial, stupid thing, but I just think it's fucking
hilarious that she was like okay, and like wrote it
down and like.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Didn't know what it was well, and it kind of
seems like it's shorthand for some kind of sado masochistic
sexual situation, doesn't it ssb ssb b d b d L.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I have this, I got my this is We can
cut this because this is boring, but I'm still gonna
say it. I had my Goodbye skippers. I had my
DNA tested on twenty three and meters, which is like
this crazy thing that you get your DNA tested. It
tells you where you're from, what percentage, and it also
tells you what what DNA abnormalities you have. And the

(20:38):
one I have, the initials basically look like motherfucker. Really
it's empty hf R or some shit, and it just
looks like motherfucker, and it just means you're going to
die in a year. It really basically makes that abnormality
you're really fucked, like you can't, you are fucker. It's
totally fucked.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
You should have had that on a bracelet. It's me
the one with m t H. It's like, what's they like,
do not resuscitate bracelet? Motherfucker? Do not recitate. Just don't
just leave it. It's just says I'm good, I'm you
know what, if I'm down here, leave me here. My

(21:19):
donor sticker on my license just says, just take it.
I don't even care if I'm unconscious or not. You
know what, you can have it. Somebody needs it more
than I do. I don't need this liver, Like I
really just sit around all day, So just fucking date.
Give it to someone. Just just give it to someone
with a degree in something important, someone who's really trying.
Should we talk about what the podcast is about? Like,

(21:41):
should we talk about the thing that the podcast is for,
like the meat of the podcast, what I like to
call pat what the past half hour just didn't talk about.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean, look, here's the thing. We're going to get
it so that we no longer talk about murders this podcast. Clearly,
that's what's coming. Is it's going to turn into an
Amazon review podcast entirely.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
It needs to happen. Oh my god, spin off dude.
I was like, why isn't that a thing? Though it
can be every episode you find the best reviews.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
There was somebody else posted one for something about wet wipes,
and I was like, I can't do this right now,
like I can't start reading about shit this early in
the morning.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I will eventually the big for her pen later. I
saw one that says it doesn't do math. I won't
do math. And she just warded about how once you
got into like complicated equations, she stopped working when you're
a woman and you're using it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Do you remember I thought of this this morning when
I was seeing all those other reviews. One of the
original review ridiculous review site things was the three wolf
moon shirt. Do you remember that for a really long
time ago. Yes, that's when people should look up because,
oh my just.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
It gave them powers of this and that. Yes, oh
those were great. You're right. I told we forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Rewolf Moon Amazon review. I believe it's Amazon. It's something Amazon,
and it is the Aridge. That's the og that is
the legit a ridge. All right?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Can I just do my murder? I hate it? Yeah?
Go Why do you want to keep skipping? Just don't
come back skip all the way over. I so, okay,
this will be I'll just skim this.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I'll tear out some concepts. No, this was Here's here's
the long and short of it. I am doing the
hometown murder that William sent in that I balked on
because I thought that was so unfair of me that
someone I would have been so livid if I was
listening to this podcast gave a shit about it. Heard

(23:52):
my name, they started to do it, and they were
just like no, and then they were like throwing children. Nope, bye, Yeah,
I want to know. So William, first of all, my
many and thorough apologies for jerking you around. But the
thing is that once you get into it, it's not

(24:13):
like anything saves it.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
It's not like it gets better.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
It doesn't have a different ending or like there's not
cool facts.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
O way, you were correct.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was correct, but I'm going to power through it.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Good for you. Sounds like life, right, You just gotta
buckle down. You're correct, but.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
You just gotta fucking you just gotta you just gotta
say the hideous facts, and the hideous facts are this
that basically, uh this It took place on August fourth
of nineteen seventy eight, So set the tone. We're in
Salt Lake City. It's nineteen seventy eight. So you got
you got a lot of brown, You got a lot

(24:51):
of corduroy, a lot of blondes. Actually, do you think
there are a lot of sideburns are now? I think
there are plenty of sideburns. I think there's blonde hair
with brown sideburns, which is a thing that only happened
back then and it doesn't happen anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Remember Stephen, Stephen was there. He knows Stephen and Elvis
we're traveling band.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
So there was now as many people know, but Salt
Lake City is predominantly Mormon. I mean the whole state
is very Mormon, Salt Lake City more so. And there
was a man who I where's God?

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Damn it? I did it again? You do this to yours?
You don't put in an order. I know.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
I it's just I have to cut and paste just
so so it tells.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Me the story.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Oh if I if I read what I cut and
paste initially, it would be fucking this. It would be
a psychopath, I.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Mean, or a sociopath, or or just someone who's having
a bad day, or any other thing that's not offensive.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
This man is named brew Longo, and he has been
excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter
day Saints because he's too rock and roll.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
If you're too rock and roll for the fucking Church
of Latter day Saints.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
If your ideas are too big and bold and you
get excommunicated, something's going on, because those are people that like,
they like a group, they like, they like their religion.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
They want people in it big and bold. Is there
saying I don't know what's they're saying.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, I think it's big and bolding, big and bold
and red all over and bold in a couple of tablets.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
That's us, the LDS. I can't wait to see that.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Mean So, Bruce Longo, he got excommunicated, and so uh
he started his own cult.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Essentially, it's what you do when you get kicked out
of a thing.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yes, that's right, you splinter off, you start your own,
You grow a ponytail, you gained two hundred pounds, and
you fucking act like the cult leader that you are.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
He also changed his name.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
To uh Emmanuel David, which is a thoroughly religious sounding name,
and the I can never find a name of the
cult that he started. But what it was was everybody
in the cult had the last name David, So that's
it was like they didn't put together you know, twenty

(27:28):
five Davids or any kind of like catchy five Davids.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
That's our band name there it is, that's our punk
band name, punk rock five David's.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
But basically he got it was mostly his family members
and a couple friends, and they got into it, and
he apparently was like all cult leaders, he's charismatic, he's
very engaging. He has a ponytail. He has a ponytail.
He's kind of large, and he gives people a reason.

(27:59):
You know, he's like a Guidewhy would that.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Be to have that? To believe in a thing?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Right now? If I could meet a three hundred pound
man with a ponytail that told me what was what?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Goodbye?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I would quit this podcast. I would fucking walk on
you both.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I'm sure just to let you finish, because I just
want you to keep going. You new.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I was just like, please, didn't even know what I
was going to say.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Not interrupt this. You have to finish the sentence email
at Karen at uh no.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm also I like a bigger man.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Don't worry that I'm being sarcastic right now?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Ponytail, no fucking way, what do you do to guanna, dude,
stop it, dude.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Did you say, are you an iguana? Dude? Are you
an iguana? Dude? You have the guys who are hanging
out at coffee shops in the nineties with an iguana,
your iguana dude?

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yes, okay, I got him, And they're everywhere all right,
So essentially he uh.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
They would travel all around.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
They were kind of nomadic, and they would live in
hotels and they would stay in these hotels, and then
when they would go to leave, like a couple months later,
they would just skip out on the bill.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And before credit cards existed, I think, yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
And that must have been it. Yeah, seventy eight, I
think there were credit cards. This was back when women
weren't allowed to have their own credits.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Shut your face. Yeah, I swear to god.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I remember when my mom had credit cards and when
she'd go to a place, they had to look her
name up in a fucking like Yellow Pages book. Oh
like visa, Well there's your name to make sure it's legit,
just to like charge it.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
It was so different back then. Maybe I missed remembering.
Are you thinking of the phone book? They would look
in a phone book, then they'd call her and be like,
is this your credit cards? Like two weeks ago, So
I'm probably wrong. Sorry, go on.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
So you know, among the things that this group.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Did was they made a large sword for him, Emmanuel David.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
They made a large sword, it's so casual. Among the
things is that they prayed to you know, the different God.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Nope, No, they made a big sword, got it. And
he believed he was declaring now that he was God.
He thought he was God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy
Spirit all in one. Hey, red flag, you can be one,
maybe two. You can't be every spurrito. He's just like
on breakfast, I'm a burrito. Throw it in there everything.

(30:31):
Hey how about some sour cream?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
So with his sword, he promised to lop off the
heads of thousands. So we're not This isn't a positive cult.
This isn't like Sephora. This is bad news. He didn't
give free samples.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
He didn't call you muffin when you went in there.
That's a true story. It happened to me one time.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So the police and the Mormon Church were keeping in
up on Emmanuel David and his group because he would
show up with his followers at Temple Square in Salt
Lake City, and they wouldn't be violent, there would never
be arrests. But he, you know, he was there to
like tell everybody that he was the real deal.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
He was a presence.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, And of course he probably brought that sword. And
then he what he would do is he would separate
the men in the group from their wives and children,
send them off to different cities, give them some kind
of a task, like you, you know, you have to
go off and preach in Nebraska or whatever, and then

(31:38):
he would keep all the women and children around him.
Cult leaders love that. That's their big thing, is like
I'm everybody's daddy. So from seventy five to seventy six
he lived at the Red Lion Inn in Missoula, Montana,
while his followers were working elsewhere work quotes, air quotes.

(32:02):
But then he had a vision. He decided that the
followers he had sent away were actually are archangels, and
he renamed the Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel. And then he
told them that he believed the federal government was about

(32:22):
to collapse.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
And was he wrong.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I mean, he was early, that's all.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
And he promised that he was going to save the
republican become its new leader. Hey, hey, so he told
them to sell. Now, this is funny because I didn't
set this up because I'm reading from the middle of
the page.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
He told them to sell their karate studio. What I
forgot I skipped a paragraph and now I've misled over
other than that, every cult leader does, and every leader said,
he says, sell your karate students.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
They always try to get you away from your karate studio.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I'm sorry, Chip Chop, karate studio will not be sold.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
You've got to stand by that karate studio, Chip Chop,
that was the first and you did karate hands while
you said to Chip Chip and a chop. Basically, Steven's
on the ground. So essentially, he was basically saying, you
have to dedicate your life to me. You have these
other you have there, you have real jobs. You're kind
of still trying to hold it down in normal society.

(33:27):
Break ties and give me the money, go to work
in other cities.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
And later days latter days. And I'm sorry I interrupted
you the first of that. Later days though, but then
I was like, latter days, that's right, later days, latter days,
I see and then you put them together.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
You see that, And but first you held your finger
up like you had a great secret to tell me
because I.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Couldn't listen anymore. No, I can't listen.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
No it was good. Look, okay, I'm this is just all.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
A year later, he gets the archangels to come back,
and he says that he has found the tablets that
the Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith claimed to have found
and read that's Joseph Smith happened upon them. Well, he
says he found them. So once they get back to
Salt Lake, he doesn't have tablets, but when they all

(34:25):
meet together, he says, I am the tablets. Now we're
right now we're into the bad. Imagine the feeling in
your stomach. You're one of those archangels, like you're in it,
you're loving it. Yeah, and then suddenly it's like, dude,
you're what You're not tablets. That's not a thing.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
This isn't good.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
You just like you've crossed the line of things. I
can believe, yes, but not.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
But once you're in, you're in and you have to
kind of keep on playing along because you've already grown
out your matching ponytail or whatever they had to do.
I can't find any information about this gen cult.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
You're just like, oh, I did this thing and I
thought this was correct, and so I have to keep
going with it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Otherwise, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Well, and a lot of them were his family members,
so they were like, we love him and he we
believe in all his promises.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
They said, he's not a bad guy. It's not.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It's just his ponytail is bad.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
So all right, here's the long and the short of
it is, the government is investigating this guy because they
keep these. He is being investigated for wire fraud and
other frauds, assorted frauds.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's like a seased candy boxer fraud.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
He's dark chocolate with almonds, with no caramels.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Happy. This is the grossest fraud I could have gotten. Grossest.
Where's the Bardo bar? What's the one you can't have?
The Sea's candy box? I don't like that one. But
I alsoid Oh the nugat.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
You don't like nuga?

Speaker 1 (35:50):
The white nugat with the nuts, with the chewing, with
the chewing and the eating. Yes, I hate it. No forrilla,
it's too much chewing. It's a lot of chewing. Nugat,
fuck yourself, Nuggat, I disagree. I'm as new as nugats
that patriot yourself? Yes or no?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yes? Oh okay, we're opposite.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
We split, We are on opposite.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
We were made for each other, were made for each other, honey,
except for I can't eat her anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
It's one fact.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So in all of the ways he's broke, broken the law,
in all of the mint patty ways, and all of
the molasses chip ways, he's done it all, and so
what he does. So they've been living in the International
Dunes Hotel in Salt Lake City for a year. This
is a ninety dollars a day hotel. They are living

(36:45):
in a suite. It's him and his wife Rebecca.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yes or no? When you were sorry rated, that would
have sounded amazing, right, living in a hotel.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yes, I get to live in a hotel. It still
sounds amazing. That's my favorite. I've been in hotels too
many times, and I just they.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Make me sad. They make me so happy.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I do love hotel. I run into the bathroom immediately
because I want to see the bathroom set up. Oh okay,
I thought you meant like because you had to use it.
I just run in there. It's a pee from excitement. No,
I guess you're right, Yeah, you're right. Well here, My
thing is they're usually very quiet yea. And the beds
are cushy and you can just get into them and
watch TV. It sounds like my house.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Excuse I know, But when I do that at my house,
which I do a lot, I always feel bad.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
In a hotel, it's like.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
One request a room that's not by the elevators. They're
so travel tip.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Good tip, come on.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Sorry, no, no, So they've been so they've been living
in this big hotel in Salt Lake City. The whole family,
so he has Emmanuel has a wife named Rachel, and
and they have six children, Rebecca who's five, David who's six,

(38:02):
Joseph who's eight, Deborah who's nine, Joe Shawshaw Joe Shaha
who's ten, and Rachel. No, it's j O sha ha
like Joe's haha.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Aren't those names from VC Andrews book some book. It's
a book that they're from, kind of, it's a book
that they're from, spe see Andrews. Rachel who's fourteen, is
the oldest, and then Elizabeth, who is thirteen. So Uh,
they're all living in this hotel. The government's circling and

(38:40):
so Emmanuel Borrows is struck from one of the people
whose last name is also David. He drives up to
a canyon and commits suicide by putting a hose from
the exhaust pipe into the truck cab. What a fucking dick.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I mean, it is quite selfish because this family that
he has, by all reports of the people that worked
at this hotel and people that were anywhere around this family,
they completely depended on him. They were like and they
were also a loner of family, so they aside from
the rest of the cult, which was also mostly their family,

(39:16):
they didn't talk to people, they didn't interact, and the
people that worked in this hotel said that the children
were very quiet. They didn't speak unless their father said
they could speak, and they didn't use the pool. They
didn't like, they were not loud, they didn't giggle, and
they didn't go to school.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
They were taught in the hotel room by the parents.
So they didn't go to the Caribbean and get their
groove back.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I bet nope, this is there's going to be no
grooves getting gotten back.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
By the end of this quite the opposite.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
So he kills himself because basically it's like the jig
is up and you can't just I'm sorry, you just
can't stay at hotels and then leave what he we.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Have in fine if he had paid the bill, no,
because there was other fraud.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's just that the article I was on murder Pedia
for the most part on this, yeah, and everything is
pretty vague and it sounds like it's like it's like
he he was kind of a problem guy, but he
left it celic City, but he had left this trail
and it was basically like, here's how we can get him, Okay,
So it's just unpaid bills and wire fraud.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Al capone get him on tax evasion, that's right, okay.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
And also I think he really was ripping these people
off when they would join his cult. He was like,
you know, it's like, sell your karate studio, give me
the money, and you go to Missouli, Montana to spread
the word. So they're trying to get chopped, get him.
It's the old chip chop, all right. So when Rachel
finds out that her husband kills himself, she tells the cops, well,

(40:48):
we don't have any money. I don't have money to
pay for the funeral. They realized something's terribly wrong, and
three days later, in the morning of August fourth, she
they were staying at the suite on the eleventh floor
of the International Enduance Hotel, and she walked her children
out onto the patio and either through or pushed all

(41:12):
of her children off of the eleventh floor of this hotel.
So there were people standing on the street below and
screaming at her. So they so one kid hits and
they're like, oh my god, and they think at first
they think it's like an accident, and then it's six children,

(41:33):
so it just keeps happening, and they're screaming. They're all
screaming at her. And I mean that's part. Yeah, this
is why I didn't want to read it before. But
I mean, it's that kind of all I can think
of is those people who were you know, there's pedestrians,
there's there were guys that were like maintenance guys that
were fixing the road or something. Who there's a truck driver.

(41:58):
Oh yeah, that's so traumatic. Yeah, but and they she's
throwing off the little kids and the older ones are
doing it voluntarily.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
So it is like a horror movie.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
And then at the end they all start yelling for
her to jump out, like they go through so much
seeing this and witnessing it and freaking out that they
get really angry.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
They can't feel good about that too, you know, like
they have PTSD, but they also have to live with that,
and they and that's not who most of us think
we are. But I understand why at that point you're like, fuck.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
You, because they're also down where the kids are hitting
and they can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yes, they're completely powerless. It's horrifying.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And the thing was they didn't have to even yell
that because that was her plan anyway.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then she jumped off Jesus Christ. All of her children.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Died except for one, and it was Elizabeth, who was thirteen,
and she had severe brain injury and she was in
a hospital. They thought she wasn't going to live, but
then she did and she got better, you know enough.
They put her in a foster home, and then when

(43:14):
she turned eighteen, she went back and lived with her
uncle who was still in the cult. So the David's
were still an existing religious group Jesus and she lives
with them now, still believes that her father is going
to come back from the dead, still believes her father
is God, and believes that everything that happened was exactly

(43:37):
what would have happened, and says, it's what they all
want it.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Let's go break her out right now. She wants to
be there.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Now, that's set her Forrae. She I know, I just
A'm trying.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
It's a solution that won't work.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's awful, but you're just trying to do something and
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, it's it's such a horrible story. So it's a
terrible story.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
The craziest thing is now they change the name to
the Shiloh Inn.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
The hotel is still there.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
You can go there when we do a live show
in Utah. I guess what we're staying not there, not
fucking there people.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
There are people that go there and stay on the
eleventh floor intentionally, and there have been reports of uh
hearing laughter coming from the first floor pool area when
no one's around, but we know they weren't. They'd never
swam right. But still maybe it's the idea of they

(44:36):
get to.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Have fun now.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Good ghosts as well as pinball machine in the game
room that spontaneously turns on and starts playing.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Don't they do that though? To show you how to play?
Like that's right, They go into like demo mode. I
believe in ghosts, but it's ghosts, but it actually goes
to sme but it goes.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
This one time, this one time, and uh yeah, people
just hear voices and they a lot of people think
that this place is haunted. What I think is pretty
interesting is Danny Elfman has always been a frequent visitor
of this hotel.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Danny Elfman, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It's he first started going in nineteen eighty four. Bingo right, yep,
he was touring with Oingo Boingo and he heard the
story and stayed on the eleventh floor. He always stays
on the eleventh floor. What he wrote dead Man's Party
inspired inspired by that hotel.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
They have a great old movie if you can find it,
called The Forbidden Zone, made by Oino Blinco in the eighties.
That's creepy and fucked up, and I wonder.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
If maybe it's connected or inspired by sure. Also, it's
believed that he was so fond of his young friends, oh,
because he had ghost experiences when he was staying there, dude,
So that's it, like he would go there. I trust
a fucking elfman. You trust elfman. I mean he wrote
the Simpsons theme.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, come on, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
He would go to stay there, and he stayed there
while he composed the music and lyrics for the night
Nightmare before Christmas.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Fuck. Yeah, that's amazing. You just dropped your paper.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
I dropped it as if to say, at least there
was one good thing in that story that.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, there's that.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
So William. We owe this all to William. This was
his this was his hometown murder originally, and it got
kicked all the way up to full a full grown
two bed.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
William stopped listening and fucking went on a murder spree
when he when you didn't.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Finish, he was so angry, he was so mad at me.
He was so pissed. Thanks, thanks, William. That was amazing. Well, so,
originally I was gonna and I am. I studied for
it all day. I was gonna do Harvey milk Oh,
I know, and I knew you'd make that noise, and.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
So I didn't do it. I will do it someday.
And if everyone needs to know about it, you should
go look at it.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
But there's a great documentary. I think it's called The
Life and Times of Harvey Milk offhand, and the reason
I love it so much is because it's it's tons
and tons of footage of San Francisco in the seventies,
so it's like it's like I'm watching my own distant
childhood memories.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Do you know that that fucking jonestown or you're just
temple like, uh, passed out pamphlets for them and supported them.
It's pretty sweet. And it was support of Harvey Milk.
It's Harvey Milk and Mosconi. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, because the People's Temple started as like this very liberal.
It was liberal and it was like trying to help
like oppressed, low income people go together.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Totally. Yeah, So I'm not so halfway through I was
like what would Karen say when I was like, I'm
not doing this? No, no, no, it's good. I'm glad I'm
not because I found because I because I was looking
and I was like, what do I do instead? And
then I found one that I wanted to do for
a long time. And I'm really excited because I found
some more information about it that I'm excited about. All right, Karen. Yes,

(48:17):
let's go back to Chicago, okay, which we're going to
next week. In nineteen eighty two Metropolitan Metropolitan Area, which
is such an eighties term, isn't it. I don't know
why metropolitan makes It's.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
All the buildings are all staggered.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, and it's like it expands upon it. Whatever the fuck.
This is the time before tamperproof seals and pills were
sold with just a cottonball tucked underneath the wood. So
you went and bought aspirin or whatever the fuck, and
you just opened it and maybe it had been opened before,
and maybe it hadn't.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
There was no childproofing as you opened it, and there
was no silver foil none. You could open it and
then do whatever you wanted and close it back up.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
And you were a baby if you were old.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Babies could open it. Yeah, this is this is the
This is eighty two, so it's before there were like
a child one of the things where they can't open
the drawers and stuff. You have to child proof your
home and baby. Yeah, yeah, this is before that. Yeah,
when the eighties were like just eat it all.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
This was when they used to sell baby knives.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Remember that where there was just like your you could
get your baby a really cute knife that they could
just hold.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes, I remember that, they still have mine.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I do you with your initials on it and two ducks.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Oh, oh my god, that's the cutest baby.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I have to say. My mom saved it one of
my diaper pins.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Oh yeah, you had. You had safety pins.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Safety pins on diapers, cloth diapers and safety.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Pins, grossy and dangerous.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
The safety pin itself was humongous and so sharp and cute.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So the baby'd be like, I want to play with that?
What the fuck? How are we? How did we survive?
I mean, all right, so let's talk. Let's start with
I'm gonna do it's kind of a timeline thing up
because it's like one and a half days of fucking
a shit show. Okay, So nineteen eighty two, September twenty ninth.
The first thing to happen is that Mary Kellerman, who

(50:19):
is a twelve year old from Elk Grove Village, Illinois,
wakes up feeling sick. Her parents are like, you can
stay from school. They give her some tile and all
to make her feel better. She goes in the bathroom
to take it. Moments later, she collapses on the floor.
She's rushed to the hospital. I know.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
How old was she? She's twelve. She's exactly the same
age as me.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Sorry, because I was just thinking of like, it's eighty two,
I'm twelve.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I thought you've meant right now you're to be twelve.
God you.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
That's how all day it happening.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
I did get cartered over the weekends, did you? And
I was like, I know you're joking, but fuck you.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
We went to Button Mash and the guy was carding
everybody else and then he looked at me and I
just shook my head no, and he started laughing and
open the door for me.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
But it does that too, he goes He like gestures
a come on, dude, Yeah, I'm not trying to How
good is their food there by the way, Button Mash? Oh?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Wait, didn't Oh it's good? Say sorry?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Sorry, sorry, No, the place is great. She wakes up
feeling sick. Sweet Mary is pronounced dead at at nine
fifty six am. Next comes Adam Janis. He's a twenty
seven year old poster worker in Arlington Heights, takes a
sick day, doesn't feel good. He picks up his kids

(51:38):
from school, stops on the way home at the jewel,
which I guess is a thing it's like their CV. Yeah,
and gets some tile and all and he says to
his wife, I'm going to take some tile and all
and lay down. A couple of minutes later, comes staggering
into the kitchen and he dies at three point fifteen pm.
At three forty five pm, Mary quote Lynn Reiner, who's

(52:02):
twenty seven, is at home in Winfield. She had just
given birth to her fourth child. Oh so she's home recuperating.
She's not feeling good, so she takes some tilan all
that she had been given and brought home from the
hospital after giving birth. This is weird shit. We'll talk
about it later. She yeah, so she takes those and

(52:25):
then moving on to five pm. So this woman named
nurse Helen Jensen, who is the badass motherfucker of the story.
She's a public health nurse for Arlington Heights and the
Janice family. I remember earlier Adam who is the poster worker,

(52:48):
had come in the whole family, the whole Adam family.
Oh shit, else is gonna vomit? Oh okay, yeah, that's
welcome to my life.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Grosse right, I mean, I had pets. That's all they do.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
I know. Okay. So so the whole Janie family is there.
Adam dies, and so they all go back to his
house to like to figure out what they're going to
do and start morning and planning the funeral. And Adam's
younger brother, Stanley, he has chronic back pains. His wife Teresa,

(53:27):
gets him some tail and all. She comes, she gives
him to tail and all. She comes back and took
to Thailand all as well. She had a headache. They
both go down. Oh my god, the brother. They go,
what are the chances They went back to his house
where he had fucking fallen. Six thirty pm. In a
store in Lombard, Illinois, Mary McFarlane, a thirty one year

(53:50):
old resident of Elmhurst, tells her coworker she's a headache.
She goes in the back room, takes a couple of
tailan all, and within minutes she hits the floor. Eight
fifteen pm. Stanley Janice, who's Adam's brother from earlier, is
pronounced dead. Three fifteen am, Mary McFarland's pronounced dead. Nine

(54:13):
thirty in the morning, Mary Reiner is pronounced dead. So
everyone's fucking taking the ship and dying with an hour's
at one point fifteen. Teresa janis the wife of Stanley Dead.
So at five o'clock the next day, police discover the
body of Paula Prince in her old Town apartment. Old

(54:34):
Town is the town the night before she so she
is a flight attendant the night before she lands. She's
a thirty five year old woman. She stops at Walgreens
because she has a headache to buy some tile and all.
There's a surveillance video of this and some photographs from
it like that you can see online. She she's not

(54:55):
heard from for a couple of days, so the cops
get sent there. The bottom of TAILANL is sitting open
on her vanity, and like she's she steps away and collapsed.
So nurse Jensen, who we were talking about the badass motherfucker, says,
I found a bottle of TAILANL and there were six

(55:16):
capsules missing and three people were dead. In my mind,
it had to be something to do with the TAILANL.
And of course there was no protective ceiling on this
or any over the counter drugs. They just had cotton
tucked in there. So I went back to the hospital
and we took the bottle with us, and I said,
this is the cause. And of course nobody would believe me,

(55:36):
and I stamped my feet. They said, oh no, it
couldn't be. It couldn't be, like they had not pieced
the things together yet. But I think once, once the
brother and sister in law of one of the deceased
died in the same home, they they realized that something
was going on. Yeah, So the investigator name Pichos sees

(55:59):
that the tailer all bottles all have the same control
numbers on them, meaning they're coming from the same plant.
He let's see medical examiner. No, and the deputy medical
examiner named Donahue tells him to smell the bottles, and
he smells inside of them, and he smells that telltale

(56:19):
sign of cyanide. That's almond. What were you gonna say,
bubble gum? Just kidding.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Because you seem so out of it you lift at
your finger. No, I knew, but then I but I
wanted to have fun with it.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Go ahead, So cyanide has a strong smell of almonds
or bubblegum.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Because you know in them, stone fruit, any kind of
pit in anything.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Right, there is a little bit of cyanide and if
you eat enough.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, and you couldn't really ever eat enough because it's
so hard to eat but.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Digest and it all he breaks down right.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Yes, but I think it's because I had it. You
know how I know this is I had one of
those crazy blacks. What's where you can stick everything in it? Yeah,
a vitam X And they're saying, like an apple seeds
or you know, like that, there's cyanide in there, but
it's it's a tiny, tiny, tiny trace amount. But there's

(57:15):
also tons of vitamins in there, so that when you
can throw everything into a blender, you get way more vitamin.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
You know what else? Vitamins or vitamins are in vitamins?
Oh yeah, you can just take some vita. Fucking take
some vitamins. Yeah, uh, not related, kind of related. I
once never mind. Okay, I wouldn't say watermelon rind to
make myself throw up. So I didn't have to go
to Hebrew school. Oh did it work? It did? Oh good?

(57:46):
And here we are. If only you had studied your
Hebrew better, I mean what would have happened? I don't know,
married a nice uh Hebrew? Okay, I mean we can
go into this shit, Let's not do it. So he
smells almonds, and the medical examiner said that how lucky

(58:08):
he was, because only fifty percent or half the population
can actually smell the almonds and cyanide, which is terrifying
and amazing. Right, And it turns out that the tail
and al pills were laced with potassium cyanide at a
level toxic enough to provide thousands of fatal doses, so
each one had thousands. So the reason they fucking hit

(58:31):
the ground immediately is there was so much like they
were overdose, way overdose Jesus. So at three fifteen, Mary
McFarland dies. Nine thirty in the morning, Mary Rhiner dies.
Did I already say that I might have? And so
the pills had all come from different plants, supposedly, and
had bought it had been bought at different Chicago stores.
So the police thought that a single person had bought

(58:53):
all the pills at different places, tampered with them, and
then returned them to the different stores. So on Tuesday,
October fifth, which is not shortly after, Johnson and Johnson
recalls all Thailand all products nationwide.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
I remember this?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Do you remember this? Oh? Yeah, I was twelve.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
It was on the news. It was the craziest thing
in the world. We in our house. I think my
parents bought Bayar. Yeah, but they were like it was
just a whole I mean I remember standing in the
in the living room and watching it on the news.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
And these are so everyone should know. These are the
capsules that you get that you can open up and
there's powder inside of them. These are that's what these are.
So it's not like you know, the like gel caps
you get today or anything like. So anyone could open
them with whatever they want in them. There's no seal
on any of this.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
So, and there's also a very famous commercial at the
time and maybe a little bit earlier for contact cold medicine.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
And in the commercial to some fingers pull apart a
contact pill and all the little beads inside the pill
fall out, and then it talks about all the benefits
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Medicine. It's like, here, look what you can do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I mean, it's it feels to me like that that
was it was in the consciousness.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, if not exactly, Well, someone who is fucked up
in evil, see like some one person puts that together,
you know, like the majority of people who see that,
don't fucking think how easy it is to fucking poison people, right, So,
so Johnson and Johnson recalls all Thailand all products. People

(01:00:28):
fucking lose their minds in panic. Thirty one million bottles
valued at more than one hundred million dollars of Thailand
all products are removed for shelves nationwide and nation wine
and Chicago police go through the streets with loud speakers
warning residents of the dangers of taking Thailand all Oh

(01:00:49):
my god. And the thing about this is Johnson and
Johnson was totally on board with this. They they were
the ones who fucking were like, yes, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
This was back when people cared about human.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Beings, when they were like, how much money is that
going to make me lose if I recall this car?
We'll just pay that. It's not weird.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
The lawsuit, Yeah, it's not worth it. I don't need
another boat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
No, And if the lawsuit happens, our insurance will just
pay it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
But also, have you ever, I don't know if there's
anything else that's ever happened like this where it's like
recalls on cars or one thing where you're like, yeah,
take your car in or whatever. Yeah, but like I
don't remember anything like this ever happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Like a mechanic of a thing that everyone has in
their home.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
And then no one used again for years and years
and years, and they knew that was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, So all right, I wrote such an eighties thing that, oh,
the the driving through the streets with loudspeakers, that was
such an eighties thing. It's like blues brothers. So vote
for mayor whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yep, it's a yeah, back to the future, Goldie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Goldie, Goldie gold mayor Goldie. Uh, I'm gonna be mayor. Okay,
So all right, so I wrote this whole thing about
the guy who they suspected was who they still there,
it's still suspected he's No one was ever fucking arrested. Okay,
no one was ever arrested. A man writes a letter

(01:02:14):
to tailand hall manufacturer in October nineteen eighty two, so
like month or two later, demanding one million dollars to quote,
stop the killings. The letters are traced back to a
tax consultant named James, whose name I don't want to
say because he's never He was never arrested, and he
was never convicted, and I'm scared of people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Well, and also if it's such a nightmare because if
just by chance it really wasn't him, but then everybody
thinks it was and that's horrifying totally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
And I wrote all these things of like it was
clearly him, but then something happened the moment you got
to my apartment and I had a fucking study. So
this guy James had been charged in nineteen seventy eight
in Kansas City of the murder of a murder after
police found the remains of one of his former clients

(01:03:07):
in his attic. Oh, addict, Yeah, addict sounds so wrong
to me, but the charges were dropped. It's at tick, attict.
There's no d at attic. There you are, addict? Did
I say it right now? It makes no sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
That's too many times attic attic attic, I mean attic
when you do it on the stage attic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
No one says it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Though at tic up in the attic, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Up in the addict, No, t I just can't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Charges are dropped after a judge rules that police the
police search of his home was illegal, So like, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Wait, so they find a body, but it's still they vacate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
They they went in without a fucking search warrant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
A judge is like, I'm sorry, Yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
When so they trace this h this letter saying he
wants a million back to the dude James, and James
gives him a detailed account of how the killer might
have operated and described how someone could buy medicine, use
a special method to add cyanide to the capsules, and
return them to store shelves. Like he tells them how

(01:04:25):
it could be done. But he thinks. He says he's innocent,
and what actually he was doing was when he asked
for the one million, he gave the bank information for
a former employer and he wanted to embarrass that man
and send the money to his bank account and like
frame him for it. Oh yeah, but he is. They

(01:04:47):
don't think it's him. But he's charged with extortion and
sentenced to twenty years in prison just for that fucking
letter released ninety five. Oh god, is this getting boring? Okay?
Vi baite bah. They reopened the investigat should in February
two thousand and nine. They searched his fucking house. They
don't think it's him. There's not enough evidence to charge him. Okay,

(01:05:07):
but here's where this gets interesting and where I fucking
last left off. Two words for you, Ted Kazinski. One
more word unibomber. So the unibumber has some weird connections
to this, Okay that I really fucking love And it's
so far fetched and crazy, but I love this shit.

(01:05:28):
So I looked at a map of where all the
locations were in Chicago, and the map that most made
sense led back to where Ted Kazinski's family is from.
It was within twenty minutes of the tampering sites. At
the epicenter of the of the fucking tampering.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Sit is where his family's from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, all the lines lead back to fucking who the parents'
house and in the in that year nineteen eighty two,
uh Kazinski's bombs were calculated to commit mass and indiscriminate murder.
He had let a bomb off in nineteen eighty on
an airline and a nineteen eighty one firebomb at the

(01:06:13):
University of Utah, and in nineteen eighty two a fire
rom at the UC Berkeley. So who's active as fuck
at this time and his family is from twenty minutes
of where all of these fucking places at where they
were bought. Yeah, and he had stated his motive was
a desire to destroy the public's faith in the technological

(01:06:34):
industrial system, and in his manifesto he expressed a dislike
for the manufacturer of drugs and pills a the a
that yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're done here. No we're not.
We know, ok, okay, but want to hear something even
cooler that I fucking love. This is so cool And
I had to check a lot of fucking I had

(01:06:57):
a dig for this information and it didn't I mean,
this was hours of research before I found this information.
This is from unizode dot com u na zo d
dot com, which specifically highlights the link between the unibomber
and the Zodiac Killer. Oh, I know, which is like what,
But it's also like what. So the un obomber has

(01:07:22):
an obsession with Wood, specifically, I know two of his
victims were Percy Wood and Leeroy Wood Bearson, and the
founders of Johnson and Johnson Company were named Robert Wood
Johnson and James Wood Johnson. I'm sorry, that's crazy, right,

(01:07:45):
am I being? Okay? All right? So I don't know.
I just think he did it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
They think he's giving a clue to his location. This
is a thing he does, is like give we your
clues and like how the Zodiac Killer does as well,
and then deja do. There was also a Tailanyl murder
in Sheridan, Wyoming and this was like fifteen minutes from

(01:08:19):
Kazinski's house before all this happened. Yeah, I don't know,
it just fucking it all adds up to the sky
to Ted Kazinsky, so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
We the other but the other guy you believe was
just trying to embarrass his boss.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
He was definitely a crook and a con man. And
initially I was like, clearly this is the guy. But
when I started reading more into this, it doesn't it.
There's no mo of the Thailanyl murders that make sense
unless they were focusing on one specific victim and trying
to hide it by killing a bunch of other people.
But that but but none of that adds up to

(01:08:55):
the actual people who got killed. There's nobody that they
can pinpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Whereas Ted Kaczinski clearly it's like it's all kind of
laid out there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Yeah, the motive is that he was in fucking anarchist,
insane person who wanted to fuck companies and fuck the
government and whoever got in the way and whatever the
victims were were just par for the course.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Well, because he was trying to see like that panic
and that like basic advatage unrest.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Yeah, totally. And so there's a lot of weird, like
weird similarities. And also, I mean, I know that the
fucking Zodiac killer shit sounds weird, but there's a lot
of there's a lot of instances of when he was
in the time and the place, and there's evidence of
him in these places and times. Ted Kazinsky, Yeah, when
Zodiac was active. Wow, I know, sound then that's when

(01:09:45):
Georgia went crazy. You were on the internet for twelve
hours and all of a sudden, you like. And the
other thing is that Ted Kazinski is also a bigfoot,
which is gonna sound weird, going say it, tell me more,
but there is So there's this photo of the woman
who was the woman who was a an airline a stewardess.

(01:10:06):
There's she picks up her medicare tailan all she's a headache.
There's a man in the aisle on the surveillance camera
looking at her directly. No, and he has receiving hairline
and a beard, which both fucking both dudes, Ted Kazinski
and this other guy both like that. They both look
like that. It looks more like Ted Kazinski to me, honestly,

(01:10:30):
but he's someone who would claim responsibility for it. So
it's kind of weird. Okay, mm hmmmm. So in May
eighty three, Congress approved bless you do you want some Thailand? All?
Are you? Okay, I'm just gonna lay down for a second,
and here exes veryes button nos for Iesuh Okay, Congress

(01:10:57):
and acts the fucking Thailand. I'll bill everyone to fucking
was it called the tailin? No? Oh? In eighty three,
they have to you have to pull shit off of
your fucking pills before you take them. The In eighty nine,
the FDA sets national requirements for all over the counterproducts
to be tamper resistant. So that's the why, that's that's
the why. You've always been looking for that why? Here

(01:11:18):
it is, and here it is the why. So but
there's no no, there's nobody. It's just a bunch of
people got fucking killed from taking a fucking aspirin. And
there's insufficient evidence to charge anyone, and no new or
promising leeds. That's the twenty fifteen there's nothing I looked
for everything, there's nothing new since then.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
You know what's awful about that is the panic, how horrible,
Like those cops must have been going crazy, and like
those detectives, like it was ever there. They had to
be everywhere at once. It's like it's not one victim
in one place. It's like and basically in all these
neighborhoods around metropolitan Chicago, one little dropping so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Like, clearly the the person who did this is in
this area and you can't find them. And what I
always think about is how awful it must be for
those cops for weeks to go by, and the more
they keep taking people off the case and keep doing
the suddenly there's five people on this case when there
used to be one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, and yeah, that's what are they gonna do? Yeah,
there's nothing they can do. And when your leads dry up,
it's just like, oh and there's no it's not like
people were like doing something to a tamper proof package.
It's like they suddenly realize anyone could be doing this
at any time to any product.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
It could be any of the family members of the
people who died. It could be any of the coworkers
of the people who's whose fucking relatives died. Yeah, it
could be some rando. To me, it makes the most
sense that it's some fucking anarchist, fuck the government.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
It makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Dude, who sends who sends in the mail bombs to
blow up in people's faces. Yeah, I know this sounds crazy.
But the wood, he was obsessed with wood and all
things would. And then when I saw the Johnson and
Johnson's middle name was wood, I lost my mind.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
But when you say, when you were saying he was
obsessed with all things would, you said, then you gave
the example of the names. But was he also was
it like other things?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Like yeah, there were a lot of weird weird like
wood types and trees and like really weird, like he
was really into like earth, wind and fire, like the
same way the zodiac had his what's it called the
letter the like the the lettering, oh oh, the the

(01:13:41):
puzzle that he puzzles, Yeah, critogram ted. Kazynski left a
lot of clues and the things he did on purpose. Okay,
to kind of fuck with people and they liked to
see it, and wood was one of his things. Oh
my god, So they were this in this Andy lived
out in that weird cabin. Yeah he did, and which
is by fifteen minutes from where the fucking first guy

(01:14:05):
who died of a cyanide fucking poisoning from from tailand
All died.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
You know what, case closed. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
I just want to go ahead and again give fucking
shout outs to UNIZODE because oh yeah, these dudes, I mean,
I would, I would. There's nothing in any of the
news reports that connect these things. There's there's also two
cops who got poisoned the night before any of this
started because they found boxes of tailand All from a

(01:14:35):
manufacturer with powder in the middle. They rubbed the powder
on their fingers and they got sick, which makes it
seem like it didn't actually the guy didn't just go
into fucking drug stores and pull this like he actually
had a connection to the manufacturer, which, of course Johnson
and Johnson wouldn't want to admit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Hey, I mean, and also, what if you were the
pr person for Johnson and Johnson or like that product specifically,
you're life is like now just constant living. That is
a I mean, obviously an incredible tragedy and just like
a random awful people dropping dead is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Just the worst, obviously totally.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
But then on top of that you have to get
out in front of like the worst pr nightmare kind
of next to like the Exxon Valdis or something, just like, remember,
this is just massive.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Thinking about how many you know, how many people who
are thirty an under who listen to this, who don't
know any of these fucking references we're making. And so
when I wanted to do Harvey Milk, it's like, this
shit's important. Fucking Exon Valdis, that's fucking important. I mean,
well they can look it up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:45):
I mean what, we can't fucking carry the world on
our goddamn back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
It can't be for any millennial.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Every millennial they if they want to, they'll find out
about it. Okay, it's pretty fucking cool, right, it's great.
I you know what's super weird.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I thought the I thought the Thailand all poisonings. I
remember reading something somewhere where it was a husband and wife.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
There was a woman who ended up shooting two people
who they suspected could be she was in that area
at the time. She was very mentally oh oh okay,
and they looked into her and her husband. But the guy,
the other guy I mentioned, his wife also might have
been they suspected was complicit in it, but there was
no there was never anything tying them back. And don't

(01:16:30):
you wonder about like when they pulled those tailan all
bottles from those fucking houses, like the fucking fingerprints that
could have been on them that then were ruined because
everyone touched them. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Nurse they nurse though, Man, they didn't know she knew.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Fucking high fives to her.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
High fives to nurses who are the ones that you
know they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
They're the brains behind it all.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
They're the bad ass motherfuckers of the medical fucking world. Vamp.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I want you to get that put on the back
of a leather vest and then just ride your motorcycle all.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Around town doing it. It's a mopad, is that okay? Okay?
But it's not like it's fake leather cool? Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
As long as you've gone the engine and stuff. This
has been a wonderful episode. Yeah, I mean, in terms
of tragedy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I'm sweating, Karen, what's one good thing that happened to
you this week? I know, I know, I like that.
We don't think about this because it has to be something.
Boom boom boom, think about it? What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
You don't what's one good thing that's happened this week?

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
I mean, it's been a tough one and it will
continue to be. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I guess it has to be different than my than
anything I've said already. One good thing? Why don't you
go first, you fucking asshole?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Oh no, oh my god, Okay, Oh I guess Jesus Christ.
Yeah right, it's all I couldn't think about his food.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Oh well that's good, that's valid.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Oh oh, West World huh that's a good show that's
helped me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Yep, Okay, I see nothing, there's nothing Last World counts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Okay, what did you think of another one?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
No? I mean tattoos that people are getting of if
you ever murder our shit?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Oh that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Mine would be the show that I did last night
at Largo that was really awesome and it was me
blank Patch. It was Patton Oswald's night, so it was
Patton Oswald and friends, Bobcat Goldway, and then Fred Armison
was just hanging out because he was in town, so
I had him come on stage. Oh, first of all,

(01:18:51):
I should say this my set started, they introduced me
this one woman started screaming, and then as the applause
died down, she screamed murder, you know, so loud, like
so loudly, and I was like, you've had seven beers.
Like it was one of those kind of things where
it was like she didn't know I was on the
show because they don't ever advertise who's doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
So I think she was just like so delighted. I
don't mean to accuse her of being drunk, but it
seems like she was. It was me and Karen was it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Oh my god, that was so supportive. It was really
funny though. She was really excited.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
But then, as I told you, at the end of
my set, I had Fred come out and pretend he
was my comedy coach and we just did a bit
that we didn't even It wasn't even like we made
We just said that's what we're going to do, and
then we just kind of improved it and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
It was really funny. That's amazing. It made me feel
much better. I wish i'd been there next time. Next time,
you'll tell me I wish I knew about Well, you
can't ever get into Largo shows like I can't enter,
or oh other people can't ever.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
Oh well yeah, I just never think of inviting people
because it's they're always happening.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I can't get in to anything.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Well, what I realize now is I can get you in.
I'm like, that's why I don't ask you to come anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
If you guys would go to iTunes in your sadness
and grief and just fucking leave us a review.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Right, that might help. It might make you feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Maybe it'll make you feel better.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
And if it doesn't, please go read the milk reviews
on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
That's totally worth it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Not the Harvey milk reviews, just the milk reviews, plain
old vitamin D.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
It's like Tuscan farms, I think, Yeah, the milk.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
That's gorgeous. Yeah, thank you guys for listening and being
fucking cool people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
And you know what, stay sexy and don't get murder.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Bye bye, Alice, want to cookie? Cookie? Cookie? He said, yes, bye, Yeah,