51 - A Bit of Oblivion

Ring those bells it's the latest My Favorite Murder. This week Karen and Georgia recount the harrowing survival story of Jennifer Holliday and the tragic case behind the creation of Megan's Law.

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
It sounds like scary less the rhines down in Africa.
What's up? It does? Wait, it's good.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
We've had like seven seventh's just.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Beat boxing over it.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hold on, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
How many minutes long is that? It just it just
fades out. Put that up on something. My face is burning.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
I just I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:17):
I'm miss making music. So it's just like, oh my gosh,
I'm moving.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Because he did he like heard a thing that we wanted,
and he's like, not us, but like in life, this
is why you're going to fucking rule the world. I'm
very Karen. I was very obvious. Did you guys talk
about this?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I have no idea what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I wish you could see that from my From my
point of view, how insane that was. Stephen is great, Stephen,
you've done it. You did it, Stephen, you've really done it.
Now in the breakdown part where you're really kind of
getting into it and you're really singing, I was going
through your head in that part when you're recording it.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I just like the Somba partner. I was like, well,
I got to make this an actual verse. Yeah, I
just kind of vamped on the I didn't think of
inventing new lyrics or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
No, but I'm saying like you did, but you really
went for an unextended part where you kind of got
emotional at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, it's fun. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I just kind of want you just let it out. Yeah,
you just let it your feelings. Well, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I love it. Thanks alight. Episode fifty one played again.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
They're going to over.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Episode fifty one, and when they played over and over
and over again, I just.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Want to, like verse after verse after verse where he's
just like I started wooking filled them, and.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Then there's the there's the like, yeah, there's like the
breakdown where it's like Elvis is me out and it's
like breaking it down. That's good. You're so red right now, Steven.
You're the color of your red beanie. I love it.
It's cute and I love it. Steven. Hey, this is

(02:59):
my pa Murder.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Welcome to my Favorite Murder and Steven's Stephen's reggae podcast,
Breaking the Balls.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Hi, that's Karen, that's Georgia. This is my favorite Murderer.
Do you like murder? You come to the right place.
Do you not like Murder, go away, give it a try. Oh,
go give it a try.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean, who knows. Yeah, everybody thinks they don't like murder.
Oh my god, till you hear a real good story
about it.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, everyone thinks I hate that one. They're like, you're
creepy like murder, and like, well, I have this really
interesting story. You're like, if everyone fucking loves murder.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
People love a good story. Come on, man, don't don't
judge us. This is just like Stephen's theme song. Don't
judge it until you get all the way through to
the emotional twice.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, you should listen to it twice for sure.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Listen to this podcast twice, please, and then stare at
us while our face gets red.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
I was listening to the last episode. I don't listen
to a lot of episodes anymore because like it's just
like hard, but let's listen to the last one just
for quality control. And I was cleaning the house and
I just started I had my earphones in and Vince
was like doing another thing. I just started cracking up
so loudly at some point something that we talked about,

(04:20):
and it's like, partly it's funny, but it's also like
I'm laughing at how like how fun our friendship is
and like these things, like it's funny to me because
I know what's going on, and it was like you okay,
and I had to take out my headphones and me
and like I'm laughing at my own podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Sorry, have you ever had the thing where your podcast starts?
Like I never close windows on my phone correctly, So
if I'm listening to our podcast in the car and
then I'll walk in somewhere and then like in the
grocery store, our podcast will start. So it's like me
and my own podcast standing there, oh, trying to press
Like the harder you touch it, the more it won't

(04:56):
go off.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, that's happened a couple of times. Fun. Yeah, we've
all been pretty embarrassed. We're all stupid idiots, and that's fine.
Look how far we've come.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Way to go, Way to go, everybody, everybody, Well, we
did it together.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So this is episode fifty one, and my bags are
packed and I'm ready to go. And this is the
last episode. I mean, it doesn't matter to anyone like
which is for it matters to us that does. This
is the last episode in the place where we have
recorded I was gonna say filmed recorded fifty one episodes.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, and it's going to wherever we do it in
your apartment. In your new apartment is going to have
a completely different feel. It's weird vibe as opposed to
this beautiful sea foam green kind of like retro.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, situation that we've been in, cozy and halmie, there's
no like hard angles. Nope, I don't know what that means.
But it's like my apartment that I've been I can't
like normally, like we'll do towards Stephan're like my apartment
of yours. Let's go to mind mind like you'll do
it back and forth me ogle places. But this is
every single fucking except for live ones. That's right. I've

(06:07):
been in this apartment. It's always been in here.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Thank you for that, Thank you for opening your home
like leaving my house.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, it works out good in that way. I getta wear.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
And also if we did it at my house, it
would just be forty five second, every forty five seconds barking.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, that would then people would make memes of your
dog's Frank and George barking instead of all this scream
in its fucking out. Yeah, I don't know, I wouldn't
be as good. No, yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well it's a the end of an era. It's also
twenty seventeen, so good like new things. It's all about
new energies, liminal space, what we've talked about already. Yeah,
what can come out of being in a totally new spot?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, vibes are involved, probably, I bet vibes are totally involved.
My good ones. I hope.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well we'll see, we'll see, and if not, then we'll move.
Then you have to get a new apartment or move
back into this apartment.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
My god, I'm sad. I'm going to miss this place
posed to me right there.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Shit, yeah, take a picture before you go. It wasn't
a great proposal though, So it's okay, it should be.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Snip that pore.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
No he fucking knows, no, I mean yeah, no, no, no,
he had fucking he had stomach flu.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It wasn't a great point, all right, So you were
getting the hot air balloon like you wanted to be. Well,
it was basically a.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Hot air balloon, but it was oh my god, Okay, hey,
what's what's uh? What's crapping in what corner? Did you
watch Manetta's brothers. No, it's fucked up. It was good,
It was it. Yeah, it was just like a like
an hour long thing about the trial and the murder
and stuff. Some people were saying it was amazing. Would
you use the word amazing? No, it was like an

(07:50):
extended twenty twenty episode.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
What new information was revealed that I wouldn't have known
in nineteen what was it ninety six?

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Well?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well none, Oh, but you'd look at it from a
new angle. And my my angle that I looked at
it how, which I thought it was interesting, is like
they the Menanda's brothers argued that the dad was molesting them, right,
but then went in like this crazy other direction of
how the mom was molesting them too, and he mosted

(08:20):
it got crazy, but you could you could kind of
tell the little part that was actually true in my mind, yeah,
and the stuff that they just exaggerated from them trying
to play on that. And if they had just gone
with the part that was true, which I think maybe
the dad was molesting them, but they were also sociopaths,
then maybe they wouldn't have gotten such extreme sentences.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
They that was your theory, or they talk about it,
that's my theory. Oh oh oh, did they talk about
those wigs at all?

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I didn't know for real, he had a two pey Yeah,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And he was so young. So one of the brothers
who they both just looked like they both looked like
Mad Magazine characters. But it was Lyle had the to pay, right, Yeah,
the older brother. The older brother had to pay. Older
brother said that he molested the younger brother. Oh no,
in court and apologized. And when you see their faces
when they're when supposedly they're telling the truth, it's so

(09:16):
different when they're than when they're lying. Really, that's what
I like. I would say, watch it just for the
testimony alone. Okay, it's so interesting to see they seem
like such creepy, fucking narcissistic sociopaths, which I know everyone
hates that when we use those terms because but they
seem creepy and lying and it's full of shit. In
tell there's this one part that could be true, Oh okay,

(09:39):
and then it's like like it just resonates where you're
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You're going, I don't think this person is doing the
thing he was just doing with that other easy.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
They're broken all of a sudden and then they're back
to normal, and it's like they're just like lying.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, look, I get it would make sense because
it's one thing, like killing your parents, uh so that
you can have money as one thing, but like machine
gunning down your parents or whatever, didn't they have some
crazy gun?

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah? And the other thing about that too is that
like if they had just done it to their father,
they might have gotten a pretty lenient sentence if they
had said, like he was molesting us for years and
we were traumatized, right, But they like kind of chased
down the mom, Yeah, and everyone was like that part
to them was like how could you kill your mother?
And so they made up this. I think they made
up the story about the mom molesting them too, when

(10:30):
really I think they were just pissed off that she
never cared or did anything about it.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
It's just really it's it's I mean, this is all
made up shit obviously, but.

Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, it's your theory, it's all my theory, right, but
it's based on you've listened to one million podcasts about
it and watched a million crime.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Shows about it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And uh there was also the thing of how that
father Jose was just a big fucking bully and so
it was like she was bullied herself.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
But yeah, yeah, I mean it's ugly.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
The whole thing is there's definitely no clear lines except
for the fact that yeah, you just you can't.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
You murder them, but then you just go on a
fucking spending spree. I mean they just didn't do anything right.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I guess I don't like that one because it's just greed.
I hate the need based one. There's a lot that I.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Don't of those that I don't like until I watched
something a little more interesting about them and then like them.
And this is one of them where like I didn't
give a shit, we just happened to catch it, and
then I liked it. She must have been produced kind
of well, yeah, no, it's done really well. It was
just like, wasn't you know one of the like Jean
Benet ones that are.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Like fucking crazy and insane? And did you see that picture?
My friend Molly just sent out a birthday innivisation.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh Molly mclar yes, I got it. Did you see
that fucking picture? I responded to her. I was like,
our friend Molly mclaarre Mall's she just sent. It's a
picture of Jean Beney and Burke. It's a birthday invitation,
and it's like it's not even invitation. All it says is, Hey,

(12:09):
I'm going to be here on this day. I'm turning
this age. But it's what if it? Are we blowing
up her spot right now? Yeah? But we're plugging her.
What's her podcast called, Stephen Mother May Sleep podcasts?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
She does a podcast about fucking crazy Lifetime movies. It's great.
So we're fucking blowing her up right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
No, I'm just saying her birthday party because it was anyway.
It's a picture of John Benet and her brother Burke,
and the eyes are scratched out of Burke and the
mouth is scratched out, which looks like it basically looks
like this John Beney did it did the scratching right
like it was a found photo, And that's what I

(12:50):
assumed it was, that, like someone found that photo in
the Ramsey's house.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I really appreciated it. I appreciated it. It's subtlety.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
But do you think it was a found photo or
do you think someone did that that's a photo that's
like non known to have.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Been made by not anybody, not a house, not the scratches,
the photo of it's de Genreinet unwrapping presidents and Burke
smiling at the camera, which I've seen before million times.
So she probably did it herself, Molly did yeah, or
she found it online. That's not how it actually.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Looked, Okay, because if that's how they found it, Oh
my god, you were the cop that found that picture.
When you just start fucking screaming at the top of
your lungs, I mean it's so sinister.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah yeah, that's good. Uh yeah, So go to that
birthday party. Let here's where it's at, right, get your pencil,
here's her home phone number.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Got your razor blade ready to write down in your
arm where this is at last, we were going to
talk about people. So there was someone who made a
Yellow Pages ad for my favorite murder right that we
both loved, and that was it's a w sweet baby

(14:04):
angle and it says do you want it? And it
looks like a real Yellow Pages ad of Karen and
I looking like for lawyers on our Instagram page. And
then I don't know if you saw this one Karen,
but someone else made one and actually put it in
the paper. So this girl, uh, this girl named Sarah
are her sister. She's an editor of a small town paper,

(14:26):
and they did a review of the play Squeeze My
Cans about scientology, and so she was gonna write she
had to write a story about it, and she was
going to do a teaser on the front page that
she had to do to be like, to to read
about this, go to page seventeen or whatever the fuck.
And she wrote, like, to go to page seventeen. Here's what,

(14:48):
here's where. Here's the teaser. Oh my god. She just says,
you're in a cult. Call your dad, just randomly. This
one's real.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, because Georgia sent me the picture of the Yellow
Pages ad and goes, look at someone put in their
Yellow Pages.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I thought it was real. And then I look at it.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
And I couldn't stop laughing because I was like, that's insane.
Who would take the time to do that? And then
like probably forty five seconds later, you were breck. Wait
a say, and that's not real, Like wait, hold on
a second, I'll hitch but it looks dead on it
does I mean it looks and it looks like the
illustration I really appreciate. First of all, they made me
look good in the blazer, which I never do.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
We look fucking business cash hot, business, cash hot, I
have a waste.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's exciting in the illustrations, very exciting in that way.
But then I was like, fuck, you have someone put
this in a Yellow Page. I'm down for looking like
this in the way it looks like one of those
ads of like do you need a cheap lawyer? And
it says do you want to stay sexy, not get murdered,
get a job, buy your own bits stamp of the forest,
not be a fucking linitic called Karen and Georgia. Call
now space is limited and it's just like us with

(15:53):
our arms cross looking at how to suck. But this
one's about scientology. So the lead is you're an occult,
call your dad.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
So good. It's great. I love it. Anything else I
want to talk about the Yellow Pages. New Detectives is
on Amazon. I tried watching it. It's okay, I guess, uh,
sorry what sorry what? I'm sorry what It's okay? Goodbye, goodbye? Uh,

(16:21):
it's fine, it's fine, Okay. New Detectives It's on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's not New Detective, it's real detective. Fuck, why do
we keep calling me? Did you see the right one?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes? Okay, I saw real detective.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's first person detective telling about telling their story. Yes, which,
which do you remember?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
The case? You want? I watched the first three, the
one about the fucking kid and the like dude like
baby killer and little boy killer in Seattle's fucked up
a ship. Yes, I just I think I'm I just
think that the re enactments and all this shit takes
so long to tell the story and they kind of

(16:59):
like you see eight minutes of them watching the like
CCTV footage of the kid running by and then you
finally see the car, Like it's just just it could
be thirty seconds of that, and it kind of drives
me crazy when it's like takes forever. Oh okay, Like
there's a lot I think. I think reenactments are just

(17:21):
a tool to make the episode longer and a lot
of shows or to tell the story.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean, I like it because it actually tells that
story where it's they're basically trying to do it, like
this is my first person experience in solving this case,
and anytime it's just like you're not your bag, because
like anytime you're doing a first person thing, you have
to be able to cut away to something besides that
person telling you that story.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
But at the same time, they made the guy look
stupid where he was like you see the kid run
by and he's like, Okay, that's not him, damn it
and walks away, and I'm like, check the time on
the on the ccch foo footage, it says eleven thirty.
You'd go back to the fucking bank and be like,
is it time? Correct on this and then like twenty
minutes later they realize it's not the right time, and
then they still want it's not the right time in

(18:06):
real time.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's that the bank thing it didn't update for like
daylight saving, so.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
It was a thing to say you should check. He
would have checked that, and he wouldn't have just stopped
watching when it was the wrong time. He would have
still like, it's just like a lot of it's a
lot of like, it's a lot of fucking filler, and
I don't and I can't sit through that. Okay, I
know I'll never recommend that too again.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I just can't with reenact. Then well, yeah, that's not
your that's not your now Yeah. No, No, that's actually
the one I like the best. Yeah, because that case
is fucking crazy. I've never heard it before.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I mean, that guy, the way he finds that guy
and the way it all goes down is so horrifying. Yeah,
and he basically catches the guy in the act.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's such a good story. The stories are super cool.
It's it's it's the dramatization.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I dig Yeah, and I'm saying I do thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Merch corner apology, corner fucking weekend. Yeah, what do you
have nothing? Yeah, I mean either my favorite writer shirts
dot com or my favorite writer dot com.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
But the good news is this week I wanted to
get back to the thing I like to do the best,
which is retail and I Survive, Yeah, which is the
first person show that does not use re enactment.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yay. But also this is one of the ones.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
As I was writing this up, I realized, Uh, when
we've talked in the past about how I cannot listen
to nine one month calls, this is the one time
that I've listened to annimal one call that it insanely
enhanced the story. So it wasn't just like some lunatic
person screaming in panic and like a horror thing that

(20:04):
immediately makes you go, oh my god, everyone's in danger.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It's like the perfect most of the fact that they.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Even have it to run during the story is incredible.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
So anyway, I'll just tell you what it was.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
This is the This is the attempted murder of Jennifer
Holiday and the murder of Anna Franklin. And it happened
in This is from season two, episode six of Ice Orry.
So anyway, if you haven't heard this, I love the
show I Survived. It's now in reruns. I think it's
on their rerunning it on Lifetime, but you can also
get it on something else whatever. I think they're also

(20:36):
on YouTube. But I like to every once in a
while remember ones that just stuck with me and talk
about them, because I do love a survivor and I
love the first person. I do love a first person
tale of insane horror and then makes.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Me like calm down a little bit because you know, like,
whatever bad happens, like you can still get back to
the person and they're not dead. They're not fucking dead. Yeah,
so it's like, Okay, to be into it. Yes exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
You're you're not going straight down like we do at
the end of an episode. Sometimes we're just like, oh,
great they got murder.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
This is a no matter what's happening, you're going you're
still looking at the person.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's like triumphant, you know, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And a lot of the time because it's I would
say eighty percent women telling these stories, and they're telling
you stories where you're like, holy fucking shit, and they're
telling you, you know, just fine, telling you the story
of this thing that happened, that they survived it, they've
gotten through, and they're there to tell you that story.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, Like you're like, I would never get out of
a fetal position if this happened to.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Me, and they're like, yes you would, Yes, you absolutely
would fucking deal with it and that because that's life,
and life goes on and everybody does like not everybody
does this, but the people who experience extreme trauma continue
to live and sometimes even flourish afterwards and help other people.
Because so that's why I get super like a weird
Christian about it, because I'm just like, let me fucking

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ring all those bells.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Some motherfucking resilience sanchat.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I like this one too, because it's fucking exactly like.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
A seventies horror movie.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It is when you see it and you hear it,
and I recommend that you watch it. Okay, camp it's
no a camp, no, but kind of close. It's like
that feel. So basically it's this. It's a May twenty fifth,
two thousand and five, and Jennifer Sorry. May twenty ninth,
two thousand and five. Jennifer Holiday is driving down Highway

(22:31):
sixty nine and a near it's just north of Lufkin, Texas,
with her seventeen year old cousin, Anna Franklin. They're in
an suv going seventy miles an hour, and all of
a sudden, there's the fucking loudest bang in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
She doesn't even know what happened.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
They pull there's a glass and blood everywhere all of
a sudden, and they pull over and her cousin starts screaming,
and she looks down and her left arm has been shot.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
She's been shot through through the.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Window of her car and her left arm is almost severed, like.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right above the elbow. Holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So her cousbin, her cousin's losing her shit, of course,
and she's and she is an EMT. So she goes
super calm and is like, pull out your phone, call
nine one one right now, you know, basically is like,
calm down, stop screaming whatever.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
What they don't realize is there was a man who
was driving next to them and he was the one
who shot at them. And he pulls over and he
walks up to the open driver's side window, reaches in past.
Jennifer grabs the phone out of Anna's hand and just

(23:44):
tosses it away, and he's laughing, and she says, right then,
she was like, I got real scared, and uh so
he basically, uh he backs up. He's got a shotgun
in his hands, and they're both just kind of staring

(24:06):
at him. He like takes a couple steps backwards, picks
up the shotgun and just shoots into the car. And
Jennifer said, in this show, she it's like a tracer
where she sees the bullet go by her face, Like
it just goes right by the front of her face
and shoots.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Anna in the head and kills her. Fuck. Wait, this
is the older chick or the younger one.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
The younger chick gets shot in the head and killed.
Fuck it's her cousin, so, oh my god. So then
he pulls Jennifer out of the car and she's like,
what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Is going on?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Her arm is like hanging off, and he puts her
into his car and they start driving up the highway.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
This is a fucking Mary Vincent tale all over it.
It's fucking it's insane.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
But it's also this kind of thing where it's like
you can see it if like shot, you can see
it shot all grainy in like eight millimeter, where you're like,
what the fuck. And it's like when she tells the story,
it's like the guy's laughing. It's stuff where you're like, whouck,
what's status is? Or what county Texas? It's north of Lufkin, Texas.

(25:15):
I don't know what the count not the shit man,
we're in what part of Texas is? Apparently it's a
big place. So they're just driving like ninety miles an
hour out of town.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
They drive and drive.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
So now she says there's no one around, there's no lights,
there's no houses, there's no one anywhere.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And at one point he pulls her out of the car,
he pulls over, pulls her out of the car.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Pulls her into the woods, and rapes her.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Then then when he's finally done and he's like ripped
all her clothes off and everything, he does the thing
where he's like, all of a sudden, then he starts crying.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Then he looks at her and goes, oh my god,
you're bleeding.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
What happened? What?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And then he starts laughing, and she realizes, Okay, this
person is either on drug, like something is seriously fucking
wrong with this guy, and I need to get myself
out of here.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So she fucking comes up with this plan.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
And this is the part where we're like, this is
why you fucking hang in through the commercial and you're like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Well, this is so interesting too, because like it's not
like she's just like I don't know what this guy's
capable of. She just she knows her cousin is dad
back in the fucking car. She knows what this dude
is capable of. There's no like, she knows, there's no
fucking she.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Knows we're we're in complete emergency mode and something must
be done. And she sees his weakness. That's the thing,
is the person acting like that. She realizes there could
be some play here. She could do something about the
situation that she's in. So what she starts doing, and
it's so fucking brilliant is she starts She's the way
she says it because she has her text and accent.

(26:51):
She's like, I start rubbing up on him and act
and like I really like him and saying basically saying
thank you for saving me, and you're so nice and
like being flirty and sweety, and he immediately reacts and
is like into it. So she's basically convinces him he
didn't attack her. She's treating him like the hero and saying,

(27:12):
I can't believe you saved me from that man, thank
you so much, thank you so much, You're my hero,
And oh my god, I just want to Can we go.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Back to your house? What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Because she's thinking in her head, they're in the front
right now, They're in the middle of fucking nowhere.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
There's not a person to be found. There's not a light.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
So at least if he drives her to his house,
there will be a phone, or there will be at
least one other.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Person or a knife. She can fucking establish her some
fuck something, which is brilliant. She's just like, get me
out of this spot now. And also, clearly you're on drugs.
There's something's going on with you where you can be manipulated.
How she fucking goes for it and it works. He
gets her back into the car and he's like, I
can drive you to my house. But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Don't don't be bad and don't do what the bad
people do, because you'll pay in this hint.

Speaker 4 (27:58):
And she's like, I won't. I promise, Why would I?
And she's and she'd be like, I'm so grateful to you.
You've helped me so much. And then he's like believing
what she's saying, Oh my god. And then he would
like look at her and be like, oh my god,
you're covered in blood.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
She'd be like, I know I need help really badly.
And so she's basically doing this. They get to his house.
He turned down the road into a cemetery. Oh fuck,
I mean, if you fucking wrote this, it'd be like
change the cemetery cart.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
That's crazy. Go to a house.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
They're driving into an old cemetery and she's like she's naked,
covered in blood, and like, what the where are we going?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
My god?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
They go down a hill a little bit and there's
like two trailers on either side, and one of them
is his. So they go down into this kind of
thing past the cemetery and this is where he lives.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
So that's where I'm moving out. I didn't tell you
that this mining. Oh that's your news.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
BA good good because just for like just to be
around shits and gigs man, right right, good plan. So
he takes her into the house and he actually lets
her use the phone. No, yeah, he's like, she's convinced
him that it has worked and he now believes that
he helped her.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
So here's the fucking nine one one call part and
you have it.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yes, it is. You have to watch this episode because
you play it for her.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
She no, dude, she is so calm, and she's like, Hi, yeah,
I got shot.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
And this man helped me so much.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
He is sitting right here in front of me and
he helped me so much, and I just I really
need help and I need someone to come and help
me because but this man helped me and saved me.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
And the woman's like.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Ma'am, did you say you were shot? And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I need help. And so she's doing this thing
where the words she's saying don't match her tone of voice,
and the woman on the other line it only takes
her like three exchanges, and she's like, what the fuck.
So the woman goes, are you saying you were shot?
She's like, yeah, and I need help. And this man

(30:06):
helped me so much, this man right here in front
of me. And then she goes, memory, you not from
around here, and she goes, no, uh uh uh uh
and here and he's here, so I'm safe with him.
I'm here with him, and I need you to send
me an ambulance because I'm bleeding really bad. And then
she hears the nine one one operator someone else says
something where it's like that shooting. And then she gets

(30:29):
back on the phone she said and she the nine
one one operator. I can't remember how it goes exactly,
but it's basically like she goes, the woman uh says
something shows did you say there's like something about a shooting,
and she goes she goes, uh huh huh, he's here
right now and he's helping me.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
So much. It's it's that one. It's same one. Uh huh.
And she basically is like hearing you say it.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
By the way, I'm telling her God in this like
super pleasant voice, giving her these signals without letting onto
the crazy man little really sitting in front of her,
that the shooter is sitting fucking in front of her.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Isn't it crazy that if he were a little less crazy,
this wouldn't have worked, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yes, Like if whatever angel dust or fucking thing he
was on whatever, his deal was abnormal. But he actually
the way she played it, and when you hear her
this ninemal one call, you understand how it worked because
she's not I'm actually doing too much energy.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
She's like almost kind of like.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Chill like this where it's like, yeah, I just need
and uh huh yep, that's it, yeah, and doing that
fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
So she says, just an ambulance or whatever. So she
can't they can't figure out where she is because there
it's not like a trace whatever he ends up getting
on no, and they have that that portion of the
ninimal one call where he's giving the nine one operator
directions to his house.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
How the fuck does he not know? Like, how does
that happen?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Because he was out of his fucking mind on drugs.
He was on and drunk. But I think it's the
drugs and maybe something else there. He has brains already,
a crazy rap sheet. He had benangel a ton of times,
lots of fucking domestic violence, he had gotten into his
girlfriend had left him that night, Oh my god. And
he got drunk at a bar and he said he

(32:25):
did like Xanax or Paxlur's like one single thing where
I'm like, dude, you were on fucking angel dust.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's like Tuesday for me. Man, Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So so anyway, the part of the recording, he's talking
to the operator saying how they should get to his
house and then going yeah, and she's bleeding real bad.
I mean I got blood all over me too, and
I saved her and I don't know, like you need
to get someone here really fast, like he's completely been
convinced Jesus.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And she goes, well, is she doing okay?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And she's the note on an operator is like, sweetie,
you would never know that she's talking to anybody except
the nice man that saved this woman. So he says,
only you can only have an ambulance, no cops, and
she's like, no, of course not. I only want an ambulance.
I just need to get this blood off man, get
this thing taken care of. He's like okay, So then
he gives her shorts and a shirt to put on

(33:18):
so she doesn't have to walk outside.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Naked like you being naked like naked, it's like so vulnerable, naked,
uncovered in blood. It is total horror movie. Ye.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
She goes outside and she says she's lost so much
blood at this point, and she's empty, so she knows,
like she knows, and she says she's walking out, she
sees the ambulance. So she's walking up this hill trying
to get to the ambulance and she's like, she goes
and I know I've lost so much blood because I
can see the trees moving.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
What it was was the fucking swat team in place.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And she gets like out of range and he is
walking outside behind her. Oh my god, because he's like
gonna see her to the fucking yeunce. And then the second,
like the second he gets far enough outside, the swat
team just fucking goes down. He fights them, they take
him down and they arrest him.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
You don't kill him, that's amazing. No, they take him down.
That's when you're just you're not supposed to just go right.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
But like you know, you'd think he'd fight back, and
you know, he fought him, but they that's arrested him.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Good for them, they arrested him. Uh and.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Oh, sorry, so he gets I talked my way down
off of this part of the document.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
He gets two life sentences and then added on years
for assault and kidnapping.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Oh, it's two life sentences for capital murder, aggravated salt
and kidnapping. And when that show aired in two thousand
and seven, she still had over thirty shotgun pellets lodged
in her arm, neck, and chest.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Two years later that she did the show. Then, yes,
that's fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, and she still had like shotgun pellets inside her
from the shotgun.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Blasts that she survived. Fucking crazy. She had a son
that since then.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
No, no, no, At the time, she was a single mother,
and she said that she was thinking like what she
was positive she was going to die in the cemetery
house that she ended up at Yeah, and so the
fact that when she got on that nine one one call,
she got to talk to this woman who got her shit,
got who like picked up on the game.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
And did it.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
And because it's like basically the cops had come up
upon Anna's dead body in that car, they knew a
situation had happened totally and basically everybody hooked it all together.
It's like best case scenario.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
For this person. This girl is calling, yes, this is
what this is.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And then basically at the very end, Jennifer just says, uh,
I should have died that night, Like it's a miracle
of God that I lived. And I just want to
say this, it's not a God, bless God. It's not
a miracle of God. Because she was instinctually smart. She
fucking came up with a plan and she was brave

(36:19):
enough to enact it and go for it and make
it happen for herself.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
She did it like she did it.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, and yes it worked out good best case scenario.
But it's like that's that's a survivor's instinct that she had,
and she did it for herself.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I mean, yeah, yeah, that's insane. Yeah, I wonder where
she is now like if she gonna, what's she doing? Now?
Where's your kid? It's got to be proud of her?
Right yo? Yeah? Fuck dude, pretty good. It's a good one.
What's her name again? Her name is Jennifer Holiday? Okay?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And her cousin who died who was She was like
in her late twenties. But her cousin who died was
seventeen when it happened. Anna Franklin, Oh honey, I'm sorry.
Alrightp I'm going to type in my password. What if
I read it while I typed it in to my computer?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I didn't? All right? Are you ready for mine? I am?
Mine's a bummer. Get ready to be bummed. It's not
a survivor's story, but there is a positive ending to it.
Something good happens out of it. Okay. So. Jesse timndecos

(37:36):
He is born April fifteenth in nineteen sixty one in Piscataway,
New Jersey. He claims that his mother was promiscuous, a
promiscuous alcoholic, had ten children by seven different men, and
that his dad was a violent drinker, and that his
dad had sexually abused him and his brother all the time,

(37:56):
and that they once saw their dad rape a seven
year old girl. What the fuck? That's what they says,
they said, and that the father tortured and killed pets,
and that he once forced this guy Jesse and his
brothers to eat their pet rabbit. What yeah. So in
nineteen seventy nine, when this guy, Jesse Tamndekoss is eighteen,

(38:22):
he persuades two five year old girls to go off
with him in search of ducks, is what he tells them.
He took them by the hand and leads them towards
an embankment. One of the girls fucking has some horrible
feeling and takes off, leaves them with the other girl,
a little five year old girl, yash, She's like, fuck this,
I'm gonna get help Jesus. But the other girl, they

(38:44):
get to the bottom of the hill by the brook,
he knocks her down, he pulls her pants down, and
right at that moment, the girl who ran away had
got a neighbor and they run up and fucking find him.
So Jesse pleads guilty to the attempted aggravated sexual assault,
and exchange for pleading guilty, he gets a suspended sentence

(39:05):
as long as he agrees to get with counseling or
to get counseling. He doesn't get it, and he sent
for as a punishment, is sent for nine months to
the Middlesex Adult Correctional Center nine months because he said
no to fucking counseling. Yeah, So in nineteen eighty one,

(39:28):
he's out and he lures a seven year old girl
into the woods. Don't go in the fucking woods with
the promise of firecrackers, ma'am. And again, this girl's with
a friend, and this friend is like, fuck this and
takes off on her bike. But while that's happening, Jesse

(39:48):
takes the girl into the woods, strangles her until he
thinks she's dead, and while he's running out of the woods,
the girl who survived had gotten copped and they catch him.
He pleads guilty to assault and is imprisoned in the
Adult Diagnostic and Treatment Center in Avenel, New Jersey for

(40:10):
ten years, but he only gets six years. He's let
out after that, and a therapist says that he thinks
that he would eventually, So the therapist says that she
thinks that he'll eventually commit another sex crime, but she
doesn't think he'll commit murder, so let him fucking go
after six years. So when he leaves this facility, he

(40:33):
moves in to he moves into a town. Where's the
town name? Okay, he moves into Hamilton Township, New Jersey,
into a house with two other sex offenders that he
had met at the facility. What yep, their plan or
like halfway house style? Their plan? Dude, there's no half

(40:54):
way house style in the it's the they're out and free. Yeah,
it's the early nineties. Oh, no, halfway house style. So
it's the early nineties. I was thinking of those like seventies.
I had that kind of like he went in nineteen
eighty one. He goes in for six or seven years.
So he moves out and so he's living at this

(41:15):
time in Hamilton Township, New Jersey. One of the sex
savenors he lived with named Brian Jennen. He had he
had joined the Big Brothers so he could have access
to young boys. So he gets out. The other one
is Joseph Cephelli. He had been charged with carnal abuse
and sodomy of a five year old girl, and he

(41:36):
pled guilty to three counts of impairing the morals of
a minor. What kind of fucking important, impairing the morals. No,
you're a fucking rapist. You're a rapist. It's not you're
not fucking with the morals, man, you're like. Okay, So
across the street from their house and one house down

(41:58):
and the street, I saw it on a video. It's
a tiny street. It's like it's a small neighborhood. And
this is like, this is a small town. You know, families.
It's not a dangerous town. Right across the street lives
the Kenka family, and part of that family was seven

(42:18):
year old Megan So. On July twenty ninth, nineteen ninety four,
Megan walks by his house on the way to a
friend's house, and Jesse tells her, as he had done
in other fucking times, that he has an animal to
show her. He says that he has a puppy inside
his house wants to show her, and she goes with
him into his room. He rapes her and sodomizes her

(42:45):
and slams her head into the dresser. He puts plastic
bags of her head so she won't bleed in his
room and strangles her with a belt, and then he
puts her body into a toy chest. And dumps her
in the nearby Mercer County Park. It's fucking horrifying. So

(43:09):
that night, Megan's Stanley's freaking out. There's a search for her.
Jesse participates in it, handing out flyers. They go to
the police, go to order door. He tells them he
had seen Megan riding her bicycle around two thirty in
the afternoon, but he also tells Maureen, Meghan's mom, some
other weird shit about seeing her before dinner. His story

(43:30):
is weird. He's like nervous and sweating when he's telling
these stories. So sorry. He went to the mom and
was like, oh, the mom was like, have you seen them?
And he was, you know, he was like he was
telling his own story straight and he was offering too
much information and okay. And so the next day, I
guess one of the roommates had like had like had

(43:50):
convinced him to confess, was like, you need to fucking
confess fucking in the bowels of hell. They decide they're
gonna get fucking this Guy's like, I'm fucking queen man,
you pole, I got to here. The next day he
goes in and confesses to investigators, and he leads the
police to Megan's body. He confesses to some of it,
but not all of the aspects of the sexual assault.

(44:12):
And so once the autopsy happened, the police are like, yeah,
but here's more information, and he's like, okay, yeah, I
did that too. Like he's a fucking creepyzoy and he
knows like he's not he's not crazy and he's not
mentally impaired because he knows to keep this certain information
from the cops. He knows that he should put a
bag over her head so that blood won't get places.

(44:34):
Because yeah, he's aware of it. He's really aware. Even
though he had a really low self I sel he
had a really low IQ, but he knew the things
to hide something. He was smart enough to cover z
on fucking track, right. So there's so bloodstained hair, fiber samples,
and also Megan had fucking fought back and there was
a bite mark on Jesse's hand because she had fought

(44:56):
really hard. And he said that the reason he killed
her was because she fought and he was scared she
was going to tell her mom, which is better fucking bullshit.
So his trials in May of nineteen ninety seven, he
sound guilty of purposeful or knowing murder, two counts of
felony murder, first degree kidnapping, and four counts of first
degree aggravated assaults, and June he sentenced to death and

(45:21):
in his statement says, Okay, I'm sorry for what I've
done to Megan. I pray for her and her family
every day. I have to live with this and what
I've done for the rest of my life. Yeah, it's
very sad for you, Stephen. I asked you to let
me live so I someday can understand and have an
understanding why something like this could happen. Thanks. Wait did

(45:42):
he say thanks at that? He said thanks at the end? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Wait, his name is Stephen right? Who, I'm so sorry?

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Are you kidding? Hilarious? No, I just said I just
added Stephen's Wow, so fucking bunny. So I'm sorry. No,
my full apology. Now, his name is Jesse to me, Jesse, Jesse,
I'm so sorry. Oh Steven, this is not Steven's episode.
Oh no, okay, so okay, we know.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So we can just do a narcissism of the checklist
of like, all of a sudden, a young girl's rape
and murder that he committed is sad for him, and I.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Hope someday I can understand why this happened, not why
I did this even would be better, were right, because
it's it's such a mystery. Yeah, why did this happen?
The thing I did?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, fully with my eyes open, knowing full well what
was happening in the anti right.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
And this is when he starts to say that his
dad had sexually abused him and was you know, which
is like horrifying if it's true, But it doesn't mean
so many people like this happens to people and they
don't go on to do these horrible things. They become
better people, or they don't become better people, but they
don't fucking molest children, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yes, Also, I'm thinking what you're withham Nanda's ninety four,
ninety three something like that. I mean, I'm just wondering if, like,
because did you say this was ninety two before or
after he went to people when he made that claim,
Oh that was like ninety seven. I mean, I'm just
saying that when those things get into like the popular culture.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Here's what I need to say. Yeah, like this is working,
Yeah that kind of thing. Yeah, totally that I mean
could have happened, not just saying that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Suddenly it's like this beat starts, starts to become a rationale.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah, like try this, you should try this defense. Oh Steven,
Oh my god. Okay, No, his name's Elvis. Uh so okay,
So here's the positive on this horrifying story. Yeah, this
is fucking rotten.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
So Michelle's parents, Richard and Maurene Kenka, go on a
fucking crusade to change the law. They demand mandatory community
notification of sex offenders. Megan's law. Megan's fucking law. This
is Megan's law, which I thought we should all know
where it came from. Fuck, yes we should. It's important.

(48:08):
This is why it's not just some I didn't tell
this horrifying child story child murder story, which I would do.
It's not fucking arguing that I'm better than that. But
this is an important one. And I was I was
studying some other murder today to do, and that came up,
and I was like, Jesus, I don't know enough about this.
That's I love that. That's so I studied this and
I was like, this is my murder. This is important.

(48:29):
And the next one that I found can come up
because it has to do with Megan's Law later, but
let's get to this, you know what I mean. So
Richard and Marine, badass motherfuckers go on a crusade to
change the law. They demand mandatory community notification office sex offenders,
which is the thing of like when a sex offender
moves into your community, they have to notify the whole

(48:50):
community that there's a sex defice sex offender living there.
They can't live near schools or daycares all the shit,
can't fucking join the Big brothers. No, you motherfuckers. So
they say that the registration, So the registration requires So
there was a Jacob Weddling Act originally, which is we
all know the Jacob Weddling story, which was horrifying, but

(49:11):
that only required sex offenders to register with local law enforcement,
so they didn't have to tell anyone about it except
the law enforcement. And they said that Megan would still
be alive if they had known the criminal history of
the stude. So in nineteen ninety four, New Jersey in
Excel Law, and in ninety six President Bill Clinton signed
a federal Megan's Law, and it's basically amending the Jacob

(49:35):
Wetterling Act. It sets guidelines for the state statutes, requiring
states to notify the public, although officials could decide how
much public notification is necessary based on the level of
danger posed by the offender, which is kind of troubling.
So there's three tiers and based on those tiers they
have to tell a certain amount of people, which sucks.
And I can tell you what's an age tier if

(49:56):
you want, but I don't know if it's even fucking
worth it. Like, do you have to listen acts that
are super upsetting? Pretty much? Yeah? I mean it's it's
all troubling, and it's that, you know, there's this whole
argument now about about First Amendment rights and all this shit,
and like, you know, freedom of it's just like it's
an ugly thing where you're just like, don't molest children.

(50:19):
You lose your fucking rights when you are a sex offender. Yeah,
you lose your rights and you can't fucking argue your
freedom of whatever the shit.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I mean they want them to do speech, right, Is
it like their freedom of privacy?

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yes, that's fun. Yeah, which is like, well, you you
don't get to have it. You lost that, you don't
get to have it.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
No, also tell your friends in your fucking apartment you're
sharing with all the other sex offenders, let them know
if that's something they're going to continue to do if
they get caught prosecuted for it, Yeah, they're not going
to be able to have that privacy now to be
a child rapist anymore.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Sorry, it's not like so Tier one is someone who's
convicted and serve less than one year imprisonment for something
like it's for something light like receiving or possessing child porn.
That's Tier one, Like that's a light fucking thing for
them that you don't have to tell everyone. Or sexual
assault against an adult that involved sexual contact but not completed,

(51:16):
or a tempted sexual assault, so they try to fucking
rape an adult but didn't fucking go through with it.
They're not a sexual they are not they're not scary.
They don't have to come and knock on your door
and say I did this. Nope, Okay, so you don't
know that there's a rapist, attempted rapist.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Attempted rapist, because this is the classic difference between attempted
and succeeded. Fuck you well, because all it is is
it's just going to lead to now they're going to succeed.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
It's that so this time they're going to do it.
They're going to kill them so they can't be identified
and brought to tryal right, because the second tier is
when people who have had one conviction get another one,
so they're not going to want that other one. They're
going to kill their fucking victim instead of letting them
live a bunch of other shits. To three is just
like you don't want to fucking meet one of these

(52:02):
motherfuckers ever anyways. And are those the people knock you
on your door. I don't know if that's actually a thing. Okay,
I don't know if they do that.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I'm just thinking of that part in the Big labout
zeus N totally gets punched in the face.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
That's amazing. No, I think that the cops or like
the they have to hand out flyers door to door.
But there's this crazy thing too, or you're not allowed
to tell anyone about the flyer you got, so we
get fucking we don't have freedom of speech to tell
our friends that there's a fucking child blaster living in
your neighborhood. What, yeah, how is that I don't know,

(52:37):
And let me say that this is from you can
leave it on the coffee table and point to and
also fuck tiptap. Also this is from a too an
episode of sixty sixty and sixty minutes in two thousand,
so I could be could have changed by then. Oh yeah,
I didn't do my research. So okay, keep up with
every goddamn law they passed. I'm sorry, I'm a busy

(52:58):
woman murdering sex offenders. So yeah, so Megan's law. Sex
offenders they're required to register with local police when they're
moving into a neighborhood. And it's like so amazing that
they that's a huge change. It's not, it's huge. It's
super important. Unfortunately, in two thousand and seven, the death

(53:20):
penalty was abolished in New Jersey. I don't want to
I'm not trying to start a fucking fight about the
death penalty, but I wish this motherfucker were dead. So so
Jesse Uh timend Acoss just is now having life in prison,
which is good. I wanted to suffer there too, you
know what I mean? I do. Yeah, so everything is fucked. No,

(53:41):
so it's wonderful. No, it's not. It's neither. Look, it's
all horrible.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
It's all horrible, but yeah, you're right, at least something
good came out of it, where it's like, at least
there's some progress in some way.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
And I'm you know, her parents, I'm impressed with them,
and it's amazing that they and you know, there's an
interview with her mom, who was just like I was obsessed.
She made the cops let her go into that room
where her daughter died, and she stopped thinking about it,
and they finally fucking demolished the house and built a

(54:14):
park for Megan. And the mom's like, I can't go
to the park, like she's broken. She was like I
wanted to die. And but you know, they did something
with it and have probably helped an innumerable is that
a word? Enumerable? Innumerable amount of children? Prevention? Prevention, that's ay.
They'll have no idea how many people, they say, we'll
never know. Yeah, so wow, awesome Megan. I like that one.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And also learning, Yeah, learning about what that even you
hear that phrase and you don't know what it means.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Totally, I had no idea. Yeah, oh man, how you doing.
I'm pretty good to yourself. What do you what's the
thing you like this week? Huh? Is there anything I'd
just like to say sorry to Stephen? You like the

(55:05):
fact that you're saying sorry to Stephen.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
No, it's separate. It's Stephen's apology corner. I just didn't apology.
It's it's really been bad this episode between Stephen and I.
Usually it's fake. I like to do some pretend yelling
at the beginning. We have a whole thing, and this
Stephen crying is.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Reel this way, that's fuck wrong. He looks real broken up.
But here's the good part about it.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
If you would see him right now everybody at home,
he has this like an elf hat on, so if
he were crying, it's very it suits him like, it.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Looks good and he could use it to cover his face.
It's like a it's a beamie, one of those things
called that you have followed that one? Yeah, yeah, okay,
Well I'll go because I actually write it down this time,
so I wouldn't be like, I don't know what I like.
I like the show Flea Bag on Amazon. What is it?
I've never heard of it? Oh my well a you
would love it because it's fucking British.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Because it's all re enactments. Yeah, you know, it's like
it's like the show Search Party that we love.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yes, but it's this fucking British chick who's too pretty
for the part she's playing just like a mess. She's
a fucking train wreck of a person. It's six episodes,
but it's all like people that you would know from
British procedurals. And she's a mess. But there's this like
crazy arc that happens that it's like kind of a surprise.

(56:25):
It's just such a beautiful, messy show. Oh yes, and
I don't fucking cry at shows ever. I fucking started
crying at the end. What And I buried my face
in evinces c. I was so embarrassed, and I was like,
it was just.

Speaker 7 (56:38):
Kind of.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I got to see that. It's so you'll watch them
all in one in one sitting. I love that. It's
so good that everyone, Oh, you'll love it on you
said Amazon.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
It's on Amazon. It's called Fleabag. I can't figure out
how to watch TV on Amazon. And I think I
have all the things to do it. I just when
I go to do it every time, I'm like, I'm
not young.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I can't do this have to have twenty one year
old Stephen come.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Over and making mccastroles all these apologies.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Look, I don't think that you are a child murderer.
I never have. I don't know why it came out.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
I guess I felt bad that I wasn't didn't receive
I was confused about your goddamn theme song.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I'm sorry. It's funny, Karen, I loves surprises. I just
was confused one of the there's a chick. There's a
chick who's the main character on this show, who is
from like a British procedural detective murder show. So you
love it. You're gonna recognize her. You're going to recognize

(57:43):
a lot of people that I wouldn't recognize. Okay, you
will recognize her. Yes, and breck Elman randomly isn't it?
No way? What the fuck is Breke Alman doing it?
That's awesome. It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
I thought that you were saying her character, she's playing
a girl who's from a procedural where I'm like, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
No, but you'll love you'll love it. Okay. It brought
me a lot of joy because it gave me feelings again.
I be good and I don't have those I like those.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, listen, I uh am getting it back into feelings
for twenty seventeen. Yeah, like even just trying to say
I think I want to have feelings again.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Two people that would actually listen to me. I know.
I think it's a good idea. This very healthy. Yeah,
I wanted to you know what I want? I had
therapy to day and I want to stab. I want
to have reality again. I mean it, I know what
you mean. I think because I think when therapist and
I did this like this, like what is it called?

(58:41):
Not activity? But like, oh like you did a I
know you know what I'm saying. What is the word?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Oh fank, you did a? You you do a weird unicorns?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
We did this. We had an exercise, exercise, Thank you.
I want to get my fucking memory. I want to
move What if this has black mold this whole time?
That would be the same for the reason that.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Then you go to the new house and then you're
like you're like Bradley Cooper in that movie where you
can see everything.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Too sorry, Yeah, and I'm like I got to move
back because this is really overwhelming. It's too much better
the other way, it's too much for me. Yeah, we
do these we do these exercises where we sit in reality,
and it makes me realize that I've been disassociating with
the world because it's easier to filter in when I
think that there's a different plane of existence and this

(59:33):
is all fake and virtual reality mm hmm, and that
every book I read is like more real than life. Yes,
are you saying yes? Like you're scared of me and
you think I'm crazy? No, I am so. And we
do it and it's scary and overwhelming, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
How do I say yes in a way because that
was the realest yes I've said in a while? Okay, no,
that's all yeah, And then hear you one hundred percent
and then she's like, leave it here, though, don't go
do that because you'll have a fucking panic attack if
you do in real life, so you can't stay in
too long. Everybody copes in different ways. It's like my
therapist said to me one time when I had quit,

(01:00:09):
you know, don't drink anymore, quit doing anything extra, quit
and then I had quit sugar, and I'd quit this,
and I'd quit that, and she goes, well, you got
to do something because everybody needs a little bit of oblivion.
And I was like, you're fugging really good at your.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Job, Michelle. Everybody needs a bit of oblivion. Yeah, it's
a lower back tattoo, big butterfly underneath beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Put it in quotes, misspell oblivion. Everybody needs a little
bit of oblivion. I'm oblivion.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
We're not aiming for perfection here. There's no perfection happening.
We don't want it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
We're saying that feeling is in reality, feelings in pieces
of reality at times, and get back out and go
into your other world because I can't. I know I
have one, okay, but mine I haven't seen yet. It's
I'm so excited for the new FX series starring Tom
Hardy called Taboo, where he plays a guy that he's

(01:01:11):
like on the secret Police Force in London in eighteen fourteen.
And it is the preview for it looks insanely beautiful.
It looks like it's shot like, it looks super real.
Like my thing, My way of disappearing from reality is
going into TV shows and going into Jane Austen movies
and shit where I'm like, it is no longer This

(01:01:32):
year we are now back in the time where you
sit in your room and write letters. I can't see
if somebody wants to come and sit in the salon
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I don't do that with movies. I do with books
because movies, I'm like that guy has a fucking headshot
that piece of shit motherfucker, like someone dressed that person
in the wardrobe, like assistant is so miserable, and like
someone threw coffee on her today, Like I can't why
I have to make that up? Keep you in. They
don't do the shoe out. Okay. Fleabag was one of
the only ones I've been able because I was able
to when I just talked about yeah, I was able

(01:02:02):
to identify with her, yes so much so it was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
So real to you that you never left. Yes, you
stayed in that real. That's probably why I liked it.
And search party is like it was real. I can't
do that with movies.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
So and that's why when you when you as soon
as you said Tom Hardy, I was out because everything
about that sounds amazing. But he'd can't but he will
take you out a pretty I thought he was a
I thought Tom Hardy and whatever Hardy were the football
player were the same person. I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
He's just Tom Brady. Yeah, he's just like a pretty
the Tom family.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, he's insanely pretty in this.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
It's like if Justin fucking Timberlake were playing him. It's true,
same thing. But let's talk about body difference. Tom Hardy
is a beefy. He's Hardy, slice beefy, slice of what
beef mince pie. I don't know something British the man is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I mean, he's played a boxer like seventeen different times.
What a boxer? Oh I thought you said something, would
I mean, I don't know what you said. Yeah it
was a boxer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Okay, maybe I put a little slide on that ax. Yeah,
but yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I'm just saying he's insanely well built. If you ever
take a chance and watch Peaky Blinders, I tried, Okay,
I don't like I told you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I don't like attractive, well built actors. I want to
I want to cut them down to size, okay, and
make them feel like shit about themselves. I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well then, yeah, no, Tom Hardy vehicle is going to
be good for you because the man exudes confidence to
the point of insane conkiness.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
I feel bad that everything you're saying, I'm like, I
don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like
that it's just one of those episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
But I will say this, there's a lot of thing
who cares in this. I think there's all kinds of
extra shit happening because like everything I see, and I've
only seen the trailer, so what do I know? Awesome,
And he's painted like he's crawling through mud.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
He's like he's a man that hasn't around other episode.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
He is doing all these things where I feel like
he's fighting the pretty as hard as he possibly can,
which in and of itself might be distracted and maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
He needs to prove himself that he's like I'm not
just pretty fast, because like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah, I don't know that Tom Hardy is going to
be sitting around doubting himself in any way at any
fucking time in his life.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Thanks can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I mean, or maybe he does brightly, but he just
did you see that? He made a video and it's
Tom Hardy reads you to sleep?

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
No, uh huh, well do see. If you don't hate that,
I'll try it. But oh that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I think it's just him being insanely sexy, but I don't.
It's not like he's my type sexiness wise, it's it's
what I'm attracted to sexually. Is eighteen fourteen London. I
want to be there, So.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Bring me the plague on a fucking silver platter and
tell me about it on a fucking on tom Parties Abs.
Oh wait, that's time. Can I do another one? Yes? Sorry? Always,
this will dig us back out. I mean that was
what we were already out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Sorry, but I mean this is just this is what
I've actually experienced, because that thing could be who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
That's my own trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That's my review of a trailer somebody, and I'm sorry,
I can't remember your name. A lovely gal on Twitter
retweeted me a risammed tweet where he is. Did you
see that picture where he Steven knows what I'm talking
about rimed squatting down by a personalized license plate that
says I'm sad and he's throwing up like the peace

(01:05:35):
sign and he just looks kind of like neutral. And
she just sent it to me and just said hey girl,
and I was I just wrote back to her and said,
I've never been happy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Oh my god, it's the best picture. I'm sad and
he doesn't look sad at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Also, he is doing amazing human humanitarian work to raise
money for human humanitarian work for to raise money for people,
and he fucking tweets about it all the time. He
has a whole thing where it's like, send me ten
dollars and get get five people to send ten dollars,
Like he is busting his ass to raise money for
Syrian refugees, and it's it just is like, well, you're

(01:06:13):
super great actor that was just nominated for a Golden Globe,
and you look so good in a fucking bow tie,
and you have a good sense of humor because you
know enough to squat next to the I'm sad license plate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Oh and you're gonna raise Tom Hardy ever? Fucking done?
Is Tom Hardy? What's Tom Hardy ever squatted next to? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Nothing eighteen fourteen. Yeah, we'll see what he squats next
to you in this fucking show. Now I'm mad at
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I should have another one. Oh oh what if we
start doing ten each? I have the episode of Black Mirror.
Yeah it's called Sanja Deparo. Didn't see it? Oh, my god,
it's a lesbian love story. I shouldn't have said that,
that's a spoiler. It is the most Just go watch
Sanja Napero. It's like the most beautiful love story. So

(01:06:57):
it's just that shouldn't such a good show. Charlie Booker,
the guy that writes that show, I think. I think
he wrote and directed this episode. That might be wrong too,
but I bet he did. It's such a it's such
a it's not even a Black Mirror episode. It's like
such a beautiful story that you don't see very often
on television because it's like because it's like spoiler alert

(01:07:19):
because there's lots of bands. But it's like, it's just
a love story. Okay, I'll watch it, and it's heartbreaking
and beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I was actually avoiding Black Mirror because when I go
to my TV escape, I just want it to be
an actual escape. So when it's a thing like look
at how your phone is gonna murder your eyes, it's
like I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
I don't want to watch. Right the first episode, it
is so it's so good, but it's it'll make you
stop using your phone over again. Good luck, good look,
it's so good. Bryce, what's her name, Dallas Howard. Dallas Howard,
is she in it? I think that's her, unless it's
another redhead.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
Jessica Chastain. Those are the two exactly the same. It's
not Justica saschast And. I think it's Bryce's Howard. It's
She's so good. It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Okay, wait, watch it, Okay, I watch it. There's shows
do we want to recommend? Let's recommend these shows? Do
you every single show on TV? Now? We talk about it,
even though we don't know. We don't know, we don't
know who cares. We don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
We don't care. Stephen go, we don't care. Keep that
fucking song as we go out. Thanks for listening, everybody,
you better fucking cue that song and swear to God,
Steven do it drive your thing. Thanks for listening. We
love you guys. Thank you for all your interaction with us.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Your angel babies. We were at my favorite murdered. I
can't like follow us on ship and like go to
things and be our life. Yeah, we love you and
stay sexy and don't get murdered. Elvis, you want to
cookie cookie?

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
Yeah it is cookie, Elvis, Elvis, answer your goddamn cookie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
There we go, plays out, lays out Stephen bye, sing along, Careen,
I can't do it. Elvis is singing along. Oh yeah,
Elvis sing it, Elvis sing it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
Cookie, Cooky, Cookie, Here's cooky.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Everyone has listening.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Everyone who's trying to fall asleep listening to this episode
is like, fuck you, Elvis about a cookie.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
We did last episode here, Bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I should go get my address now