57 - Live At The Fox Theater

Live at the Fox Theater, Karen and Georgia kick off the My Favorite Murder Spring Tour (official title still pending). Onstage in Oakland, they talk about the Speed Freak Killers and the earthquake-fearing Herbert Mullin.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Zic, Wow, you can, Hi, Oakland, what's up?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Wow? This is so about that? I should we should
we scream?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Really?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Click? Oh yeah righty? It does feel good. Yeah, our friend,
that's good. Our friend.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Lezzie Cooperman told us that her secret before going stage
and not being nervous is just scream into her hand.

Speaker 5 (01:12):
It's it's really, it's good therapeutic. I may have damaged
my instrument.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
A little bit though.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
This is fucking crazy, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Hi.

Speaker 5 (01:29):
Somebody tweeted a picture from the audience of the stage
and the front The frontist piece looks like Beyonce from
the Grammys, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Do you think she dressed up like the interior of
the Fox Theater. I'm like, make me look, give me
that Fox look? She said, who's here?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Who's from Oakland? And who's from not Oakland?

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Sure, Karen ask a seven part question to kick it off.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
We definitely want you to be yelling the whole time.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
So let's see, basically, who's from San Leandro, Who's from Dublin?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
This is Karen's fucking city. Can you tell Top of
the Hill Daily City? Anybody?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Not me?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I mean they're from places anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
We don't. Oh, that was my cousin Stevie.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
By the way, one ten of my family members are
here tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I know.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I looked on our guest listen it was like kill
Garrett kill, Garrett kill.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Garrick Bay represent we represent in the Bay. I love it.
Lots of people do should we do a quick outfit? Yes,
walk it across, let's do it. Look at my uh
watch my tights. Yes, yes, there you go. Those are

(03:06):
cat tights. If you can't see from the balcony l
of the bat your little cats. No, no, thank you. No,
I got a kee dress. Pockets, pockets, pockets, I'll never

(03:27):
stop yelling. Pockets at the top of my loans.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
We were having like a conversation backstage of like what
you know, a serious one, and then she goes like
this and I went, oh, pockets right.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
We said, do you want me to tell you a
quick story about this dress?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yes, it's going to be fast. It's going to be fast.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
I'm not asking you, I'm asking her. We went to
the outlet malls in Los Angeles. We went to the
Cake Spades store.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I walked in. I was like, I have to get
oh really, quick sidebar in the middle of the dress story. Okay,
and we just want you to know this is the
first night of our tour. We're starting it with you, guys.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
I'm here, amazing, amazing, crazy crazy. Anyway, I'm at the
outlet malls Kate Spade store. Had to get my tour
long dress has to be black. That's the rule we
made up that we're now stuck in permanently.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
It sucks there's no black dresses.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
It turns out constant obsessively buying black dresses.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I go in, I see a dress. It's this one
on the rack.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
It fits me, it's my size, it has pockets. I'm like,
what the fuck God is with me? I look at
the price tag. It says two hundred and nineteen dollars.
I was like, hey, listen, I'm gonna wear it for
what fifty shows.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Or something like that. So are we doing one dress
for all the show? Yes, the entire run. Really, these
dresses are gonna smell so bad when we're done, true imagine.
So I'm like, I hear my mother's voice in my head.
It's a key piece. You're gonna be able to wear
it over and over, right, right, It's worth the money.

(05:14):
When you spend more, you get more.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
So I'm like, all right, Pat, So I take the
dress up to the counter, put it on the counter.
This is a classic outlet sale. Outlet store tail seventy
nine dollars. Mother, of course, pockets, pluckets, pockets, pockets, pockets.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I'll never say what it is, she wondered. She just laughed.
She just kept walking walking down telegraph pocket. I have
a mean, okay, all right, let's see what else. Are
we really wearing these the whole thing? No, no, no,
we can't. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
We're actually gonna wear them all weekend though. So if
you see photos that look like we're it's here and
you're like, I don't remember them doing that, it's because
we're not.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
We're just gonna keep wearing them up and down the coast.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
But they're still gonna smell really bad by Monday, for sure.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
I mean, well, and then we can burn them in
a pile langwitches. We have an exclusive merch announcement.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Here's why merch corner. Oops. The shirt's got corner corner corner.
Everybody oops. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
The shirts that are available tonight here at the Fox
Theater in Oakland we're gonna call them exclusive. They're we're
not calling them mistake shirts. No, they're exclusive. They're exclusive
to this weekend. So if you're on the fence, I
don't know, are people then get I mean it's weird
that one. Look, it doesn't need to have our name

(06:59):
on it to make it our shirt, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
And listen, it doesn't mean the name of the podcast.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
On the front. Who are anywhere? It doesn't on the shirt?

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Why reference the name of the show that the shirt
belongs to, you know?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And then like we're.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Someone will see you in that, and like you'll know
they're in the know, and they're like, I know what
that's from, even though it doesn't say the name of
what it is, or the name of the hosts on it,
or any any name at all.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Really, it's just some words.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Because we knew you guys were like, you know, everyone
else needs our name on it because we're gonna forget.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
So exclusive merch tonight only and and tomorrow night and
tomorrow also tomorrow weekend. It's a week exclusive. It's a
weekend merch, super special merch.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh and we got a cake backstage. Oh my god. RACHELS.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Baker Rachel Cakes, Rachel's Cakes, and Berlin Games sent us.
It's on our Instagram now, it's on Instagram.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
It's our teared cake like that. We got it back
stage someone. We can't talk about it now, Rachel. But
here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Someone brought in what looked like a very large hat
box and we're like, bomb again, my fairy, it's full
of moths. We don't want that in here. Sure someone's
going to send us a box of moths. I don't
know why. That's my fear. I didn't get it. It's
my fear it'd be fun, is it?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
You did say as it was opening, Is it full
of moms?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Like, you're not kidding. I don't know what it is,
but that's if you want to get me and do
not fucking do it.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
It was one of those boxes that look like when
you're waiting for your bag at the at the bag
thing and you see the box and you're like, what
the fuck like and you're like, oh, I hope, like
and it just keeps going around us, like kind of
walking away from it.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
There's a lot of tape on that box.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, but inside it turns out Nope, it was cute, gorgeous, teared.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
What's that stuff called fon? Didn't see them make them
all the fancy bakery shows and fond of Karen and
Georgia on a couch on top with Elvis with a
knife trying to kill us. Rachel's a burling.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
And a little me me, I'll curled up a cute
and inside on.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
The side, and a little box of cookies on a cake.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Here's a cake. You eat the cake and then nuts.
You eating cookies?

Speaker 5 (09:26):
You hear pigs. It's gorgeous. Thank you, Rachel.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
They're Elvis's cookies. Oh I get it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Listen you guys are here for listenings.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Thank you for that. Should we sit down? Let's sit down?
Are we gonna? Is it not all forward?

Speaker 5 (09:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Why I have a table and then just sit out
there I'm doing. This's weird. We've never sat on these
signs before. Oh, should we switch it around? I don't know. Yeah,
it's just you know this is let's just make it right. Yeah,
there we go. What's it called when you are so okay?

Speaker 5 (10:15):
We can't hear you and we don't want to know
what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's how it works. That's Karen. I'm George.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
Oh yeah, Hi, welcome to my favorite order day.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I shouldn't have done that. I don't know why I
did that. All right, welcome to my allergies.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Before we start, I do have one piece of news
that might be exciting for everybody.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
That I saw.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Somebody tweeted it to us secondhand from another murder. Now
you can now on ways get datelines Keith Morrison's voice
for your GPS.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Did you hear about all that? Did you listen?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Did you know? But I want it? Could you imagine
that creep telling you how to get around town? Hilarious?
I love it. It's such a great idea.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Is I feel like I would prefer Lieutenant Joe Kenda though,
that's who that would be.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Oh man, really yeah, it's just snows snarky the whole time.
Everything would be like a thing. One time I turned down.

Speaker 5 (11:15):
This street and he used to be like, okay, Joe,
just trying to get to target. I, Betty says. I.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Betty says, flip a UI, you know, instead to make
a U turn.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
You can never go back, but turn left and then
keep going out of that kind of hard course.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Oh God, at least it's not Nancy grace.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
She went there. I, uh, okay, I haven't. Can I
do a new podcast? Corner corner corner.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
That I found? It's not a call in response thing.
I don't want it. It's so weird.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Is this the time and place to plug a new
someone else's podcast?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Probably not right? Why not? Okay?

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Someone on Twitter told me about this and I immediately
downloaded and then listen. Have almost finish the entire season. Okay,
it's called Stranglers.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I've listened to it, did you I've listened to the
first two.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Uh, go ahead. I'm obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with it.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Like the whole time I was on the plane today,
Like the whole plane trip, I wasn't stressed out, so
I was just listening to a murder thing about really
gruesome murders, and it just made me feel better.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So you guys should listen to do you guys understand that?
And I know that's something you relate to. I feel
like I don't have to explain that here. I've listened.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
I listened to that one up driving up the five
the last time I went home, and it started to
freak me out.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Dude, it's so scary.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
It's really the Boston strangler was not fucking around.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Don't everybody? He had issues? And they keep doing this thing.
We're like, here's the suspect. They think it's a really
cool woman who's posting it. And I feel like it's
kind of like cereal, a little very official, very really good.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
She knows what you doing. It's produced and shit, I
don't even know.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
And they keep going, maybe it's this suspect and they
tell you all about it, and I'm like, fuck, yeah,
but this guy and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Oh shit, it's totally that guy. Yeah. So I think
it's like it's good. You're just letting them lead you around.
I love it. Whatever they tell you, you're gonna buy.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
Tell me everything, all the gross stuff. And I almost
on the plane was like, oh, I want to look
up that crime scene photo.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
And then I was in a middle seat. It's becoming
more and more acceptable every day.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I hear, don't judge me, don't judge me and my
fucking weird shit.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Oh one more thing, just really quick. So I went
home really quick to pedal Inma, California for to see
the Oh my god, what if my whole hometown came
to see.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
You the FU but you hated me.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
So I was eating breakfast with my dad and I
said to my dad, Hey, do you want me to
get you a Murderino baseball hat? And he goes, h,
how about you? Yeah, he goes, how how about you
get me a shirt? But instead of a monogram, it's
just got a little dead body on it.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I texted her and I was like, yes, we're making
next Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'm like, he just wants you to go get him
a shirt somewhere else. Yeah, he doesn't want one of you.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
He might just need shirts.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
Weirdly, my dad I saw him last weekend and he
pointed to his hat and it was a New York
City hat and he's like, I'm ready for my trip
to New York when you go there. And I'm like,
because you want to go see my show. He's just like, no,
I want to go to New York. So I'm taking
my dad to New York.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
All right, Marty's coming, Yeah nice? Yeah, all right, right, that's.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
A good way to find out your dad's coming to
your show.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Also, they have a this is okay. They have a whole.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Vintage Ouiji board like display at the SFO airport's a
say SFO airport and you say SFO.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
You can say whatever you want, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's like a huge like a bunch of cabinets of
like really fucking old Ouiji boards and like the like
it's awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You can't touch them, can you? No, don't don't touch those.
I love them. That's bad luck.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Luck doesn't exist. Oh that's right, I keep forgetting what else?

Speaker 5 (15:22):
Uh that kind of sounds rad Actually, yeah, that's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Uh, that's it. Lets you want to kick it off.
Let's get into this thing. So is it harder time?
It's first?

Speaker 4 (15:38):
I'm first, you're first, I'm first this week? All right,
this is a real fun one.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Don't look. Why do you keep literally this.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Piece of paper has been anytime it's within two feet
of me. She snatches it away and goes.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Don't look. It's like I would get the point of
the podcast. I'm not gonna fucking sneak and read it
and be like, uh huh, because I would look. I'm
amazed they haven't looked at yours yet. I heard this already.
All right, So.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Let's talk about two dudes who are total pieces of shit.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Great also known as the speed freak killers.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
Uh oh, nobody see nobody knows about him.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Okay, but a bunch of speed freaks in the audience
are like, uh oh, it mean shit, they found me, they.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Found arrestless man and then they come in.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
That would actually be an amazing end of this show,
like a Phil Collins concert.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
You saw me when you were drowning and I did
not let it wind.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
That's not how it goes.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
I Actually there was like a kid who drove me
here from my hotel who like, and I was telling
him about the podcast that I was listening to about
Boston Stranglers, and he's like, never heard of them, And
I'm like, oh, you're twenty one and you don't know
about murder.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeahs, And he's about to speed freak Jared listen up
is his name?

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Jared Lauren Herzog and Wesley Shermantine Junior were childhood friends.
They grew up on the same street, like right by
each other, in a farming town called Lynden, California.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, fucked, they hold on. They might actually just like
the names of towns. Yeah California. Yeah, is that what
you're doing? Woohoo?

Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's like those people who eat like they're at a
restaurant and someone else is getting sung Happy Birthday, and
they sing along with it too, and you're.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Like, j yeah, I don't know you. Okay. They grew
up together.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
It's ninety five miles east of California. They were hunters.
They graduated high school in eighty four, and they gained
a reputation as matthewsers Amy too.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Not nineteen eighty four of them.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
It's believed that her Zog and Sherman Tinme began murdering
people when they were around eighteen or nineteen, although it's
possible it started earlier than that. Even so, Shermantine would
brag to his friends and families about making people disappear,
which is what you want in a sibling.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Their families like, I'm going to take that in the
way that I choose to interpret it. Oh, are you
a magician can make people disappear? Finally, you have an
interest that we can get into mad Do you do it?
Do it? Okay?

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Their first known victim was in nineteen eighty five, sixteen
year old Stockton, California girl named Chevy Wheeler disedge appeared
and says she had been dating and she'd been dating
nineteen year old Wesley and had ditch school that day
to hang out with him. Don't hang out with your

(18:45):
nineteen year old boyfriend when you did your school man.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Cool stands school, then you'll get to be this.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
No, we dropped out of college, really didn't finish any.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
School at all. Skin of my tea. Okay.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
So then, so she had been dating him, she'd left
to hang out with him, never seen again. Her blood
was found in his cabin that he had, but the
district attorney didn't think the DNA evidence was definitive.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So nope, Oh, he's the one that would know. In
nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
It just splattered Willy nilly blood is meaningless.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, I'm like, what does it mean?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That could be like die hair?

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Okay, November four, Okay, So then in ninety eight, so
that was eighty five.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Now we're in ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
And then Cindy vander Heyden, she's twenty five of the
San Joaquin Valley, disappears from the Linden Bar, in which
sounds like a fucking dive bar that you don't want
to be in.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
You mean, if like in the inn and at the
end of any bar.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
You don't go there. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
She had been seen talking to Lauren and Wesley, and
actually Lauren had dated her old her sister, so they
knew each other, and supposedly they all left together, the
three of them. Then her car is found by her
dad the next day, like outside of local cemetery. It's
like a new car and the dad was like, what
the fuck is her car doing there? And like they
panic and it's really sad. Then so she disappears and

(20:19):
turn and then the cops are like, wait a second,
he has something to do. Wesley has thing to do
with Cindy's disappearance. And they were like thirteen years later earlier,
this other one. They're like putting the pieces together so
they can't get his DNA, but they repossess his car
when he doesn't pay for it, pay the payments and
they fucking swap that shit.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
All that meaningless DNA is suddenly real love. It's ninety
eight and people give.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
A shit him. Okay, can I tell you about his
tattoos real quick?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Please?

Speaker 5 (20:50):
Lauren had made and fueled by hate and restrained by reality.
Sorry say it again, Made and fueled by hate and
restrained by reality.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That's but he's already killed two people.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, so he's not being restrained by anything. Sounds like
our government.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Also, uh, that's why I've whispered that I didn't know
what you said. Oh, I said, sounds like our government.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Oh then I get shot sent hate mail to Georgia
at Georgia.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
But I just wondered what the picture underneath that phrase
was like a just like a fun like a seal
with a ball on its nose or something, I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Know, a baby chick, just like the Notre Dame irishman
restrained by reality? You know. It was a Tasmanian devil
and he's wearing cut off jeans. Totally, yes, just all mad.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
He also had a tattoo on his right foot that
said made the devil do it, made the devil do it?
Yeah unless I unless I'm mom.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
No, I caught eat on past with that made the
devil do it.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
So his foot made the devil do something. Apparently the
Devil's like, dude, I'm good, don't involve me in your bullshit.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
The devil said, I can do it without meth and
so I don't even so that dad, He's okay, This
motherfucker was married with chilled children, of course, and then
he offers to give DNA once they like start looking
into Wesley as buddy Wesley.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
So the police pick him up.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
They're gonna bring him to the station, and in the
car on the way to the station, he starts fucking
crying and asks what he can do to get out
of this wait.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
He may have been crying about those tattoos, though far enough.
I don't even like the Tasmanian devil anymore. I was
made by hate. It feels bad. Hate.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
So he gets interrogated for seventeen hours, confesses to the
murder of Cindy.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
He says that they met her at a bar.

Speaker 4 (22:55):
They're gonna go do drugs, that Wesley did everything, attempts
to rape her.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
She this they pull over.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Bad things happen, and he so Lauren was like stabbing
Cindy or Lauren said that when West was stabbing Cindy,
he said, just let it come natural. I know, Karen,
he told the textives. He told detectives of Wesley was
responsible for at least twenty four murders.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well he should.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
He doesn't confess to anything himself, though, and just makes
it seem like he's an accomplice, of.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Course, sure, you're just standing by.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, hang out a murder again. I wanted to go
to David Busters.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
God damn it.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
He said we could go after so I said, okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
So next day West He's arrested.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Lauren Keith's talking tells him about the eighty four killing spree,
that they just shot two fucking random dudes who were
like hanging out outside their car, and he confesses to
killing a man, a forty one year man named Henry Howell.
He's at the side of his road with his broken
car and they just go up and shoot him. And
it's the nineteen eighty four in Hope Valley and thirty

(24:00):
four year old Wesley goes on trial for four murders,
but Lauren's confession of what happened his seventeen hour interrogation
is inadmissible because the tape couldn't be cross examined m HM.
The jury finds him guilty though first degree murder in
all four cases. He's offered a deal to sentencings that
the death penalty would be off the table if they

(24:23):
told him where the bodies of Sydney and Chevy were,
but he also wanted the twenty thousand dollars reward that
had been offered for their wareabouts.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Sure, absolutely found them.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
You should absolutely get twenty thousand dollars of the reward
for finding you the murderer. You right, That is totally
how it worked, exactly. Sounds like our government. Let's just
keep doing it. Let's just keep doing it. Oh, night long,
it's fine. We're going to Vancouver tomorrow. We can stay there.

(24:53):
I forgot my passport.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's really worked out. My husband is a dear,
sweet angel who's FedExing things.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Okay, so okay.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
The family about the twenty thousand dollars reward said, gu
fuck yourself. Yeah no, no, no, no, no good, they said.
So he's sentenced to death. Then Lauren has tried for
the murder of five people, including Cindy.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
His video is admissible.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Now he's found guilty at first degree in three killings,
and he gets life without the possibility of parole.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
But wait, nope, it gets worse.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
In two thousand and four, state appeals court overturn Lauren's conviction,
saying that police coerced his confession during the long interrogations,
and they said that the police ignored his rights to
remain silent, stepped up provided deprived him of all this
shit a neutral order, but Herzog's lawyer worked out a
plea deal with the prosecutors. He agreed to guilty to

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manslaughter an accessory of murder in exchange for a fourteen
year sentence with credit for a time sir. So he's
out on parole on September eighteenth, twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Wait a second, it's twenty seventeen.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, he lives in like a shitty home. They keep
an eye on him. He's got all this tracking device,
but don't worry, guys.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
He kills himself. Yeah, that's real. Applause.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
So he basically when he finds out that Wesley is
going to tell them where the bodies are, He's like,
oh shit, and kills himself.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
He is offered thirty three thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Wesley is by a bounty hunter to tell him where
the bodies are.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
WHOA, I know. I think he tricked him though, So
let's see.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
He provides maps to five burial sites where his victims
could be found in referring to one of them as
their bone yard, and they find Cindy and Chevy's bodies
and there's three separate burial sites, and human remains are
found there at least three hundred human bones of varying size,
as well coats, shoes, purses, and jewelry from a well

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on the land in rural North Carolina, California.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
But your first second, I thought they fucking shift some
bones go over here.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
They found other remains in a well, and so dental
records identify Cindy and Chevy, and they find almost a
thousand human bone fragments and an old abandoned well and
including a woman named jo Anne Hobbson. She was sixteen
years old, went missing in eighty five, and Wesley Clims that.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
There was many as seventy two victims, seventy two in
that amount of time. Can you believe? Yeah? Can you
believe that? Like, I didn't even hear about these dudes. Now,
I've never heard of this. I've seen their names.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
But actually, when I was doing this research, I had
a go there's no place that just explains what happened
and like who got who was who disappeared. It's always
like there's an article about these two women who disappeared,
there's an article about him killing himself. There's like little fragments,
but there's no none real underneath the one. No, so
I had him make it.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
She's like.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
And maybe maybe make up some facts whatever.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
And I don't know at tattoos. You're not going to
know if he has those tattoos are not he's dead.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
That's crazy. Well, that's because that's so many I know,
that's a I mean, why would you make I don't know.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
It's just just like well it was if it was
from like eighty four to ninety eight, there's a lot
of time in there. Yes, Well, they also believe that
he's connected. They're connected almost almost fourteen years?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Is it fourteen? I don't I don't know. Yes. They
also believed that.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
They may be connected to the eighty eight disappearance of
nine year old Michelle Garrick from Hayward.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Remember that one.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
She was abducted on November nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in
broad daylight outside a grocery store. She found her scooter.
It had been moved next to a park car and
she goes to get it. Some motherfucker grabs her and
puts her in the car and the like what's it
called when they draw your face.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Gotch? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (29:15):
I thought you said, what's it called when they draw
on your face? I'm like falling asleep at a frat party?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
What the fuck is? What is this story? Sketch of?

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Got it? Got it?

Speaker 4 (29:26):
So the other sketch yes, and it looks just fucking
like Lauren, Like it's just creepy and so she Her
case was the first missing child case to be featured
on America's Most Wanted. So Wesley, one of the Speed
Freak dudes, wrote a letter saying that Lauren committed no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's a copy and paste mistake.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
That he said that they should look into what happened
to that Hayworld Hayward girl, and actually found shoes at
the bottom of the well that looked like the one
she was wearing that day.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I know, sweet baby.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Okay, So Central Valley Department destroyed a bunch of missing
person record though, so we might not ever know that.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well what I just said, wow? Oh if I said what?
Oh no, sorry, well I said wow too fast?

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, okay, And the other suspected victims that have been
let her look like is Terry Ann Forchuer from Reno
Diana McCann. She was lasting getting gas near lowd Eye
while two men were bothering her, and then Kimberly and

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Billy disappeared from Stockton and Robin Armtrout, whose body was
found stabbed to death and was last seen getting into
a car with two men, and the car matched the
description of Wesley's. So he's still on death row. And
when he got he's like opening up a lot more now.
And he said it's.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Good, I know, he said, doing some poetry and yeah,
like really accessing his feelings.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
He's like doing the thing of like, oh, yeah, I
fucked up.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I get it. My son won't talk to me anymore.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
So I know how these parents feel of losing their children,
not even fucking kidding air Well.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I mean, look, I don't know. There's nothing I have
to say about some wisdom.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Look here's look, meth is bad, it really is, he says. Now,
to think about all that stuff I did, I try
not to. I would have nightmares.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Fuck you pal night night motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Speed freak killers, the speed freak killers, everybody ship.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, that's your fucking doing, Northern California. You guys didn't
do it all right, Now I get comfy.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Oh now, you're gonna dig in. Wow, mine also did drugs.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He did it. He did a lot of drugs. My guy.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
He doesn't really have a funny nickname like many of
them do, although you've probably heard of him. His name
is Herbert Mullen, and Herbert Mullen thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Herbert Mullen is the serial killer.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
From Uh it's a Fenton, California, near Santa Cruz and
represent go banana slugs, right thing, Yeah, this you see
Santa Cruz mascot is a banana.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yes, she's with me. Really.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
The children they got to vote on their own mascot,
and because irony is fun, they chose a banana slug.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
No, no, never let children choose anything important. We were
that when I was a soccer We were the teal Tornado,
Like you need to pick it on stupid.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Things and kids are dumb, you know, and they're like, well,
I mean it is college. Oh Jesus Christ, that's even worse. Well, yeah,
I'm disappointed. They love pot so it doesn't. So.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Herbert Mullen was the guy. You may have heard of him.
It happened in the seventies. He was the one that
was active at the same time as Edmund Kemper, the
co ed killer who was also in Santa Cruz, so
that Santa Cruz in the early seventies had two full
on serial killers at the same time, earning it the
nickname Murderville USA.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, our own little Sandy Cruz, York live play Murderville.
You murder it, just hide bum out.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
But unlike edm Kemper, Herbert Mullen was killing for our benefit.
He believed that he had to make human sacrifices so
that earthquakes wouldn't hit California.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Did anyone ever tell him that earthquakes are kind of
fun though?

Speaker 5 (33:57):
No, he's he's clearly very scared of earthquakes. He didn't
want them to happen. And I'll let me tell you
about it. I'll tell you a little bit about him.
So he was born in April eighteenth, nineteen forty seven,
to a very strict Catholic family. He was in high school.
He was good looking, athletic, and polite, the trifecta. Now,

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be careful, I'm telling you it is not good.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
To peak in high school.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Psychotic or charming, Yeah, somewhere in between.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
That's what you want.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
If you're hiding behind that those the beautiful teeth good luck.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
He was actually voted most likely to succeed and he did.
I guess and he well, it's some some saw it
as a success.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
After graduating in nineteen sixty five, he went to college.
He majored in engineering, and he considered father following in
his father's footsteps of joining in the military. But the
turning point of his otherwise normal life came around the
time when his best friend was killed in a car accident.
And this was the first moment where a psychotic episode

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was triggered. So he was right at the age where
schizophrenia starts to show in young men.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And basically it was the stress and the grief.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
He had this psychotic episode, and his behavior became began
to change entirely, and his family started to get really
scared of him. So his friend died. He built a
shrine in his room to his friend. He started arranging
all the furniture in his room around the shrine and
he was sitting it for hours and hours alone. He

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had to break up with his girlfriend, explaining to her
that he thought he was turning gay.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Because of the shrine.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
Just turn into a game, just slowly turning turning turning.
He was going to let her know when he turned entirely,
but he didn't feel comfortable leading her on.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I'm lying about all that part.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
He became obsessed with the concept of reincarnation, and he
became increasingly paranoid, and he started hearing voices.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
So his behavior was.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Really scaring his family because he was starting to do
super weird things like big his sister for sex.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
What so gay? Such a gay? And he also was
doing a thing.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
That he began to compulsively imitate every movement his brother
in law made god. His sister was also married, so
was sinful in many ways that he was begging her
for sex. The movement was sex, yeah, the move no, no,
just every movement. So this is actually a real disorder
called echopraxia. Really, yes, there's Echopraxy is when you are

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have the compulsion to imitate every single thing a person.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Does, even if you don't want to. You just have
to keep hearing a.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
Compulsion, and echolalia is the compulsion to repeat anything someone says.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
What's the compulsion I want to screw your sister? Gross?
I guess that's called game of thrones. Yeah, thank you
all the way. Up in the back fucking pro Okay.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
So, in the early seventies, in an attempt to calm himself,
he began to take huge doses of LSD. What a
perfect solution. He also was taking a lot of amphetamines. No, yeah,
just a little bit to bring him up after he
went into the other dimension.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
That sounds like a no for a little energy. I'm
not a doctor, but.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
If you're feeling paranoid, I think you're seeing things dacid
isn't the way.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
That's just not. It's a non solution.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And if you're paranoid and think you're seeing things because
you're on acid, math isn't the way.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah, that's right. Let's not.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Don't down no, no, no, no, yeah, don't go into the white.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Drug area like pick a drag. No, don't do drugs.
You don't do drugs.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
But if you're but if you're gonna you know, listen,
you don't how you know you know, just hit myself
in the face of the min.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
He missed it. I wanted to tell.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
You, oh, I wrote here, Maybe try some aromatic oils.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's all I love yourself ab that moment, right, You're not.
I was having a great time to he this huge
thing a coffee. I was enjoying myself.

Speaker 5 (38:33):
So Herb came to believe that his friend's death had
been a part of a grand cosmic plan, and he
changed his college major from engineering to philosophy. He became
obsessed with reincarnation, religion and take note impending natural disasters.
So in nineteen sixty nine, he was finally diagnosed with

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severe paranoid schizophrenia, and he allowed his family to commit
him to mendacy Know State Hospital, one of the many
state hospitals that doesn't exist anymore because they cut the
funding for mental health, which is fucked.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Let's see what we can do, America. Is your mom?

Speaker 5 (39:12):
Did your mom work there? Mendocino's way up north? But
she did work in a state hospital. Yeah, can't. You
can't let a city go bye. Well, it's all of
California has come to see us tonight. So it's.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I don't know a single person here.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
No, there's nobody on my No, you don't know what
if you find out that you do?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (39:38):
So Herbert spent the following years. Oh he sorry, he
went to Mendocino State Hospital. I preach, preach, preach, and
then the back half of that was he checked himself
out six weeks later. So then he spent the following
years drifting around northern California, working small time jobs, spending
short periods of time in various mental institutions. He practiced yoga,

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meditated ad, a macro biotic diet.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yet he was vocally ultra conservative and essential oils. Probably
maybe he.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Was using some essential oils, which was my idea. He
spent time as an amateur boxer, but some brain injury
right there.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
He actually had to be forcibly removed from the ring
when he wouldn't stop beating his opponent. Hey, hey, you're
an amateur, you don't have to kill that guy. At
one point he attempted to join the priesthood and they
were like no thanks, which is really saying something, all right.

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So in this time Herbert is fixating on impending natural disasters,
of course, also doing tons of acid, and he comes
up with a theory. He becomes convinced that nature requires
a blood sacrifice to keep the next big earthquake from
hitting Californa. He theorized that the violence during the Vietnam

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War had been enough bloodshed to control earthquakes throughout the
late sixties, but now that the war was over, there
was nothing to stop the Big the Big One from
destroying the state.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
And how does he know.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
The percentage of blood to like the percentage of year,
like the number of years, you.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Know what I mean? He was an engineer.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
No, I know, he's like a typical like, oh, actually
it's just much blood like.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Of course, so many people were killed in Vietnam and then.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
No Herbert Herbert believed that because his birthday was April.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Eighteenth, same day as the nineteen oh six earthquake that
leveled San Francisco and the death day of Albert Einstein,
that this made him the leader of his generation.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
That's right, fucking a birthday.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
One good birthday. And as the leader, it was his
job to make sure enough people die to prevent the
Big One from killing everyone. So he had to begin
murdering people for the good of mankind before that, and
I swear to got classic cut and paste. Before that,
he had considered relocating to Canada.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
We should have done that. You have your murder for tomorrow.
Anything else tonight, I just do Herbert Mullen up there.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
So it turns out Herbert Mullen hates maple syrup. All right,
So it starts on October thirteenth, nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Herbert Mullen is twenty four years old.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
He drives home to visit his parents. Oh, in Felton, California.
Sorry not Fenton, I said Fenton. It's Felton. My apologies
to the mayor and the comptroller.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
So if you.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Don't know, Felton is this tiny town. It's north of
Santa Cruz on the nine.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
It's right in.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
Those like right, give it up for the Nine, everybody.
One of the better small highways of California.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
There's redwoods everywhere. It's actually Georgia's okay, it's so gorge
perfect place to put a body of it, that's right.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
It's also where I went to camp. Oh my gosh,
so yeah, her camp st.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Andrews children's live bodies at a camp.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I mean, wait for it. Okay.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
So as he's driving down, he's going back to visit
his parents, and he uh later tells police that this
is when he received a telepathic message from his father saying, herb,
I want you to kill me somebody. Oh, so you
don't listen to your parents all your life, and this
is when you're gonna fucking start listening to your Come on, herb.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Dad's drinking a ham beer at a Ham's beer at home, Like,
I don't fucking didn't.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I didn't do it. Yeah, didn't bring me into this shit, Okay.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
So Herbert Mullen's seat as he's driving on the nine,
he sees a homeless man named Lawrence White who is
on the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
So what he does is he pulls over and he
lifts the hood.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Of his car, feigning car trouble, and when the man
comes over to ask if he needs any help, Herbert
Mullen bludgeons him to death with a baseball bat and
leaves his body where it lays. And that man is
found a few days later, a few days later on
the side of the road. Yeah, because it's like way
up in forrest Land.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah. Wow remote.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
So less than two weeks later, it gets worse, as
should I sing the song again? So much worse and
it really did no thank you, I oh, thank you,
But also it really does. So two weeks later, Herbert
picked up a hitchhiker named Mary Gilfoyle, who is a
student at UC Santa Cruz don't cheer for it. He's

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because listen to this plugs. He stabbed her in the
heart in his car. Then he brought her body into
the woods near the roadside. He cut her open, he
hanged her intestines from tree branches.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
And he examined them for pollution.

Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yes, for fuck's sake, her remains weren't found for several months,
and when they were discovered, the police assumed that this
murder was the work of Edmund Kemper, because you know,
they weren't like, oh, it could be another fucking serial
killer in Santa Cruz.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
You know that other one.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
Yeah, why don't you guys just go on that roller
coaster down by the sea and relax, all right?

Speaker 2 (45:50):
So Mary Gilfoyle's.

Speaker 5 (45:51):
Murder haunted Mullins so to the point where on November two,
All Soul's Day, he walked into Las Gatis Catholic Church.
He took confession with Father Henry Thompsy, and he confessed everything.
He talked about these murders in detail. But then when
he was done, a voice told him that this priest

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was offering himself up as a sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
How many times I have to warn you?

Speaker 5 (46:20):
So Mullen stabbed father Thompsy to death in the confessional,
and then walked out of a church. But then, how
do we know that he said all that to him? Sorry,
how do we know that he confessed all that to him?
Then he told the police everything.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Oh I get the other way, Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Yeah, he probably told his own story at the end
of this Insanta.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
So then he tries to enlist in the Marine Corps,
the natural next step, and though he did pass both
the physical and psychiatric exam, Yeah, he was rejected when
they brought up his arrest record and saw his history

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of bizarre behavior.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Also he was color blind. But otherwise, you're fine, and
that's fine. What flat feet get outit.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
He later claimed that he never would have become a
serial killer if he had just been accepted into the Marines.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
You've already killed three fucking people, dare. It's kind of
a fake excuse, you have to admit.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
Maybe, So this rejection affects him a lot, to the
point where he stops taking massive amounts of ascid every day,
but his severe violent paranoid schizophrenia is out of control,
totally untreated. He believes that this rejection from the Marines

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is just another example of the conspiracy against him in
his life. He also accuses his parents of participating in this.
He accuses them of being quote kill joy reincarnationalists, which
is not a real thing, who believed their next lives
would be more enjoyable if they made the current lives

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of others miserable.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Man, can you imagine just being a parent and you're like,
I want to have babies, I too.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I love you, and then you just have this fucking asshole.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Yeah, you're just you're just birth an asshole out onto
the fucking table.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Man tough.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
But also it's kind of funny because then also then
I just think of, like when you're thirteen, it's just
kind of just a teenage mentality of like, my parents
live to make everyone else's lives awful. Reincarnationists, fucking reincarnationalists.
So swept up in his paranoid delusions, Mullen decides to

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kill Jim Jannara, his high school pot dealer.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Oh, it's a weird choice.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
It doesn't work that way. He believes that because Jim
sold him pot, that he was part of the plot
to destroy his mind, and that he had to avenge.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Himself the guy's like, I fucking sold you a REGANO. Dude, like, yeah,
I have it.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
What was at Why isn't it ever your fault? Herb?
Why isn't it on you ever? All Right?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
So, around the same time, a voice told Mullen to
buy a gun because it would be a cleaner way
of killing people.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I mean, I guess if you're gonna go like, never mind,
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Do it.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
On January twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, Herbert Mullen drove
to Jim Jannara's house, or where Jim Jannia lived when
they were in high school. When he got there, he
met current resident Kathy Francis Uh, and she explained that
Gennara didn't live there anymore. Herbert explained that he was
a friend of Jim's, and so Kat they gave Jim

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gave Mullen Jim's new address. That night, Mullen drove to
the Gennara's new home and shot and killed Jim Jenara
and his wife Joan, and then stabbed them both repeatedly
post mortem. Yeah, he then went back and murdered Kathy Francis.

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I thought she got away and her two young sons.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Fuck man, guys, it's in the name my favorite murder.
You know what I mean, Oh, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
Because both Jim Jenara and Kathy Francis' husband had dealt
drugs at one time, the police assumed that both of
the murders, being the same m O had to be
drug related.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Please.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
Less than two weeks later, Mullen saw four teenage boys
camping in Henry Cowell Redwood State Park.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
You've been then?

Speaker 5 (51:00):
Oh yeah, In fact, I didn't have time to look
it up, but that might be where we went to camp.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I'm not kidding serious. Well, there's a bunch of state parks,
but I would like it to be.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
These boys were David Olager eighteen, Robert Specter eighteen, Brian
Card nineteen, and Mark Drabilbiss fifteen. Mullens approached them, posing
as a park ranger and told them to leave, claiming
that they were polluting the park.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Uh oh, fucking hippies.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
When the boys dismissed him, he pulled the gun shot
them all one by one. He stole a rifle from
that campsite, and then he left. Herbert Mullen's final murder
took place on February thirteenth, nineteen seventy three. Holy fuck,
seventy three year old Fred Perez was.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Gardening in his front yard.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Mullen drove by and shot him with the rifle that
he stole from that campsite. Luckily, a neighbor witnessed the
whole thing, wrote down Mullen's license plate number, called the police,
and Herbert Mullen was arrested shortly thereafter, with no incident.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
It is a nice feeling, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Yeah, they got him and he was arrested without instidant.
He was just like, yep, all right, we're done here.
But then they get to the police station. This is
kind of my favorite part. Okay, they get to the
police station and Mullen was totally uncooperative. His response to
every question the police asked was silence. Oh, which you

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have to admit would be kind of fun if you
got arrested.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah. Then police were like, where were you on the silence?
I'm gonna try it next time I got arrested, I think,
or really anytime. I mean, you're welcome to thank you. So.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Uh. When Edmund Kemper, the co ed killer, was arrested,
he and Mullen were briefly held in adjoining cells Santa Cruz,
Bestia Cruz, best Friends, Kaylen all around the.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Floors, Blood Brothers, which threw.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
The fake gag keep it up, Keep it up, you
fucking psycho.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Kemper actually accused Mullen of stealing his.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
Dump sites, which is, hey, I know that, relaxed.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
He didn't even use dump sites, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
There's enough for everyone.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
Eventually, Herbert Mullen confessed to all thirteen murders, explaining to
police that these human sacrifices were necessary for earthquake prevention.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Only you can prevent.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
Forest fires, he said to the police, and then he
yelled silence.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Is that how they came up with the only you
can prevent forest by Oh? Did you know that? Was
he looked a little bit like a bear, and they
were like, hold on, and he was naked on the
waist now with their hat on. Really deep boys.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
He also claimed that he had telepathically asked those four
boys at the campsite if he could kill them, and
that they'd all given him permission.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
At least two of them would have been like fuck now.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
That's when the police began to beat him. Senseless really,
and it's not on the internet anywhere, but we can
pretty much be assured. In the end, Mullen was found
guilty of two counts of first D murder because they
proved that Kathy Francis and Jim Jennares's murders were premeditated,
but everything else they could not prove that. Also because

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he was so insane, so he had eight counts of
second D dregree murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
He will be eligible for all for parole.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
In twenty twenty one, when he is seventy four years old.

Speaker 5 (54:52):
No, I doubt it'll work. I doubt it'll work out.
Probably not, but you know, hmm, Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
That's all pretty good bye.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Listen, don't go off your meds everyone, No, I don't
care what the fucking specter of.

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Your dad is selling you. Yeah, don't go off your meds. Yeah.
If you hear voices, and I mean like even if
there's someone standing behind you in lying talking, get on
those meds.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yep. I agree. Fuck, I agree.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
I think we have time to do a hometown murdering
so too.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Now here's the cool part.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
We know who we're gonna pick yeah, because her name
is Chloe. Yeah, Chloe, where are you now?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Oh? She was fucking lying. She was funny with us.
Is there any way to bring these lights up a
little bit? Chloe? You said you were going to be
at the back of the orchestra pit. That's what this is,
I think, right, I hear her. Do you know, Chloe?
Do you know it an orc pit is?

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Because if you're yelling from anywhere, that's here.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Did we forget to tell the we're gonna have someone
from the way you're from? Open? Shah?

Speaker 6 (56:10):
There she is, cheer mamma, can you yeah? Yeah, go
over there, Look over there. Look at that girl in
the plaid shirt. Chloe, turn this into my voice. See
that girl that's waving her arms.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Go to her. Jesus Christ. We rehearsed this fifteen times.
Oh that poor baby. If she wasn't nervous before, now
we really built it up.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
Now I'm mad at her. Get out here, God damn it.
These people are waiting.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
Yeah, yeah, okay, you're fine, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yeah. So am I looks that's Georgia. That's Georgia. That's Chloe.
I love you? Are you really Chloe? Yes? I am?

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Okay, Chloe tweeted at us, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I just signed up for Twitter yesterday. Let's get her
some followers. What's your handle? I know, what's your handle?
Look at you, Chloy Doors. This is my name, O
R S R. E. Oh what's adorable. There's a couple
of Mollie there. She goes, she's gonna these two thousand
followers by tomorrow. Here, So let's center up. Let's send

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her up, Chloe. I mean, this is real. So let's
get a nice stage picture.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Khloe.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You'll be in the middle, any of you. Yeah, I know, right,
just don't look at them. Okay, you have a hometown
murder for us down you really? Yeah? I can't do this.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Okay, all right, I got it, read it all right.
I mean we wish you would have memorized it. That's
what we do, just wing it.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, I'd like to pull the Van Morrison and just
faces the back of the stage right now.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
That's badass. Yes, Rady you here, we stare at my
back while I tell you this. We can all do it. Okay, wait,
let's really quick. Okay, where are you from. I'm from Fairfax.
They love fair Facts, tiny tiny town, immort far from Petaluma.

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That's what are you here with?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
This is why I tweeted you Avidly Okay, Fairfax.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Anyway, who are you here with?

Speaker 3 (58:35):
I'm here with my husband Luke and my good friend Katie.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I can't see you, guys, important.

Speaker 5 (58:41):
It's fine, ye see you guys tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I'm gonna hang out with Karen and Georgia tonight.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
She's not We all get kick Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Okay, so let's hear this hometown story. Is this a
Fairfax murder? No, it's very close, Torlinda, Okay, it's Carolnda. Yes,
super cree be. This is called the Barbecue Murders. I'm
not fucking with you.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
I wrote it down, all right, terrified right.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Now, just read it.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Tarlinda is like a weird suburban colony of San Rafel.
It's not a town. It's where the mall is. That's
where you go to go to the mall. That's right,
it's gary. It's super weird there. So I'm just going
to read because I will start talking and barfing all
over it.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
It'd be kind of cool. That's what our punk motto is.
We're super punk rock like that.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I was.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
I was born in nineteen eighty two, So clearly this
is not about you.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
So it was a rainy day in October. This is.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
There's this thing about Tarlanda. It just feels like it
was stuck in the eighties. It's like you go there
to go to the mall and it's the eighties and it's.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Creepy, and there's a kaiser up on the hill. Kaiser
at all, that's all that there is there.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
And a bunch and a bunch of tracked houses in
like a sizzler.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
I used to get my allergy shots at that kaiser
three times a week.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
You really, yeah, yeah, girl.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Anyway, this really horrible double murder happened there in nineteen
seventy five.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Okay, here come my notes. Let's hear him by a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Sixteen year old girl named Marlene Olive and her fucking
loser boyfriend named Chuck.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Yuck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
He was twenty, she was sixteen, and he was twenty.
We read the seventies.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Every twenty year old in the seventies was named Chuck
and dating al.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yeah, this is the guy that sold drugs to the
high school kids, not for money, but to be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, and remember we were all out of fact. Are
you just theorize I got that off Wikipedia. You know, okay, girl,
you know, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Anyway, they started dating and Marlene was really troubled, and
she was adopted and she found out when she was
really young that she was adopted on accident, and so
she was all kinds of fucked up and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
She was been adopted on accident. She was adopted, and
she found out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Thank you, she found out gasps like a clarification.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
We have a kidnaped. No, we have to keep her.
Oh I bought the wrong way in the wrong the
luggage at the airport. Oh well wow.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
She had a great relationship with her adoptive father, but
her adoptive mother was a schizophrenic alcoholic who was psychotic
and was really mean to her and basically told her
that her birth mom was a prostitute and she was
going to be one too, and all the stuff that makes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
You fucked up. I mean, yes, my man. Then young
Marlene yelled back, sex worker exactly exactly. It was the seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
It was the seventies, and needless to say, it was
the seventies. Marlene got super into the occult. Oh yeah, yeah,
not real, and doing lots of drugs and uh, She
hated her mom, obviously because she was crazy and superman,
and she decided that her parents had to die, and

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she also decided that her loser boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Had to be the one to kill them. Oh that's
a good call.

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
Actually, your hands clean, Marlene, right, I mean you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Get a suc not so dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Anyway, she had all the control in the relationship, obviously,
because he agreed to do it. So one day she
leaves the house with her dad, and Chuck sneaks in
and kills Naomi.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Her mom, with a hammer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
And a knife and some other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
And then.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Marlene's dad, Jim, comes home, finds Chuck and U Chuck
shoots him as well, So both parents are dead. Oh no,
mission accomplish and that's the end of that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Uh so, Chuck and Marlene clean up the place and
take the bodies to this beautiful state park in Santa
Fela called China Camp.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
China Camp.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I've had a Mickey's big mouth or two there myself, like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Gorgeous, gorgeous. I can't go there ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
And also just the fyi, the barbecue hit that they
set the parents off firing has been removed. Oh no,
try to find it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, don't worry about it. You're like, why does this
barber case hence the barbecue. Yeah, so I'm a vegan.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Set mom and dad on fire. Went home kind of
right after they did that, because.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Like logic left them burn. Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
And then they went to go live in the olives
home for about three days. The plan was to wait
until the parents were pronounced dead and they collected the
life insurance and then they could go move to Ecuador.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
So simple as they lived their lives.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I can't imagine that plan didn't involve a joint.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
At some point, apparently they went to a yes concert,
My god.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Do not blame yet time, do not blame that, don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I don't even anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
They were caught, of course, because they're idiots.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
He's in prison for life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
She went to some juvenile something she was fifteen or sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
She was released after two.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Years, moved to La became some superstar in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Like forgery. She did a lot of forgery. Oh yeah,
and you now know her. Gwyneth palt thought, that's where
we were going. She's a superstar. Don't say anything. Similarities
are uncanny, uncanny. We all have passed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
I quickly have two connections to this murder, besides just
being a super weird kid and totally obsessed with this
at the age of ten, there I made my mom
drive me to the house that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yes, and your mom did it?

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yes, she was, like, secretly, I think, kind of into it.
She's like, this is weird. Like everyone says that, Yeah,
she was into it. We drove by.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
But the really creepy thing is that when I was thirteen,
I started babysitting for a family about a block away
from that house, and it's all tracked housing there, so
all the houses are the same. In the best selling
true crime book by Richard Levine about this story called
Bad Blood, a Marine County family murder.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Oh so there's a colon at the end of Blood, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
He draws a layout of the home where both of
these parents are murdered, and it's exactly the same as
the house that I used to babysit in. And I
just remembering thirteen and like putting these kids down and
walking around and being like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
This is where this happened.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
I'm scintillated and excited and terrified.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Pretty much everything I'm feeling right now.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Oh everybody, nice, beautifully done, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Good, really good from a tweet we trusted the tweet fly.
I mean, you guys tell her to go with but time,
that's nothing. That was magical. Yeah. I love when that happens.
And it's not like some weird person. I know it

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never is. No, I mean about twice. Yeah, it's true,
that is true. I just like that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
What if if we didn't we were just like, forget it,
we're not going to do that, and then she would
have that little folded up piece of paper in her pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But that's not what happened, everybody. It's like it's someone
else now.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Oh really, Stephen offered to drive up from Los Angeles
to bring my passport.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Oh my, okay, I got to tell you what.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Ever, since Steven has been promoted from just like the
guy that records our podcast so we don't have to
like move the dials and stuff, we were like, Stephen,
you please help us with these emails and he's like, okay,
I totally will. He's completely organized all of our hometown
murder emails. But now he's turned into like the super assistant, where.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Like like what did he say? He was like, we're
gonna text to it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
He was like, Hey, I just want to let you
know you're on your waiter hotel and they have a printer,
so if you need to print out your story that
it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
And I'm like, hotels work, Steven.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
He's joice was like calling hotels, Yes, I need to
speak to the business on her knees.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Do you have papers? She likes this kind of grain.
Don't look her in the eye when she goes into
the business center.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
I actually didn't print it up there and I was
going to send it to them, but it said speed
freak killers the fame of the documents. I was like,
I'm gonna produce the venue, just a little paperwork from
a job. So yes, Hi to Stephen Ray Morris for
being an angel baby.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Stephen Ray Morris. Yeah, you know who else is the best?
To the Fox Theater in Oakland, California. Thank you guys
so much, Thank you all so much. This is amazing.
We love you for coming here.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Thank you, we love you for getting tickets and fucking
being a part of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Our world this night of our tour.

Speaker 5 (01:08:43):
Ye first night, you know what, stay sexy, he do
get fine. So