67 - Live At The Egyptian Room

Live from Indianapolis' The Egyptian Room, it's an all new My Favorite Murder! This week, Karen and Georgia cover serial killers Belle Gunness and Herb Baumeister.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hi. What Hi Indianapolis. H you're here.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
You came like you said you would.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
You wouldn't you did? You told us you were coming.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Wow, this is so Indianapolis. You guys are right up
on this stage, aren't you. Ship h so little Ben threatening,
isn't it? Ah h. We're kind of here because I
have a big mouth and uh since Georgia, Georgia has
some stuff to say to you guys. I didn't. I

(01:04):
think I was like being complimentary when I said what
I said. But fuck man, we made up for it.
I think here. I mean, I mean, here's the thing
we for us.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
We're having a private conversation. We're just very slowly catching
on to the fact that you guys listen to it
after we recorded it.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, it's not just like we're trying to make Steven laugh. Yeah,
we're trying to make each other laugh. And then oh
and then we're trying to offend the country. Uh huh, definitely.
It's very easy to do. It turns out, who knew you.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
All you have to do is mispronounce some cities and
tell some people their dicks, and then oh they are there.
There you are, Hello, You're there to make up for
it entertainment. Look at this gorgeous room. This is fucking nuts.
You guys, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
When we were in Portland, we were in an old
like high school, and it totally felt like we were
like the principals giving everyone a lecture about bullying.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, this feels like we're the ushers at a very
fancy movie theater. Yes, where people are very excited to
look at the screen.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I could kick someone in the forehead right now.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I'm sorry that that's the first thing I really want to.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Do, just a quick it'd be funny, though, it would
kind of be funny. We went, I went into the bathroom,
and the moment I walked in, I said to myself,
I said out loud to myself, Oh, this is haunted.
Like the bathroom was like it was like a Japanese
horror movie bathroom. Yes, like this is fucking haunted.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Was it because there was that little girl with.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
The wet hair in the corner, Yeah, that was it?
Oh do you need a paper? Talk? And then she
was like, I'm Alisa Lamb. My mind.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Could you imagine if a Lisa Lamb was actually just
here in Indianapolis chilling this whole time, we're like Lisa,
there's a lot of people have been wondering about you.
Oh no, oh, it's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Hey, let's talk about presents, because that's a positive you guys.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, here's the thing, and this is what's beautiful about
having fans like you, guys, is you'll tweet us or
social media somehow and say, if we have a present,
how do we get it to you? And we don't
answer you because we can't tell you secrets like that.
But it doesn't matter because you get them to us anyway.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Figure it out. It's very hard day's.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Night people getting onto some kind of thing and putting.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
A towel over it and sneaking back.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know. I'm not sure how I get it.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
We're adults, so we can buy our own shit. But
when we see a fucking present, we both lose what
is it? And then we pull out the car and
we start crying, and then we sing, and then we
put the earrings in.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, we're wearing your earrings silver in the city.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I say, oh, thank you. I hate ear rings and
I put these in because they're so adorable and cats
and I love them.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Seems like a lot of people work at silver in
the city, so it's not like your Walmart out here.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Allings take them off. And then we got and then
gorgeous thank you look at this catmu.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
These are from but I I know then it's this part.
This is lame.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Your Weatherhole cousins gave me this fucking sign.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Weatherhole girls came together assuming I'm assuming they're girls.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
They used to hate each other, and then they bonded
over murder and they got me a Siamese mug. That's
my new it's totally my new stage mug until I
leave it at home, like I love the trip for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And then they gave you, Oh shit, they gave me,
so this is pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
So Georgia opens that.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, I was kind of opening everything, let's be honest,
a bit domineering, and so I was pulling shit out
and then just I would decide if it was for
her or not. So we're like, yeah, undeniably, this is
George's cat travel mug.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And then the next thing came up, and we'd read
the card that said enjoy coffee and music.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
And music, and so I opened this little box and
it's a key chain holder like a keyholder, and I love, like,
thanks a lot. But then we're like thinking, Me and
Georgia and Vince are kind of standing there and we're
just like, there's gotta be more to it, And there
fucking was because you unsnap it was like a little
triangle shaped leather thing. You unsnap it, and inside was

(05:46):
a beautiful silver guitar pick that had SSDGM engraved on it.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I started crying. It's true. We had to redo our makeup.
We had to bring the whole team from MATC back in.
That makes me think, because I want to mention, like
how many messages and emails we get whenever we're touring
of like really sweet girls being like I'm a makeup artist,
I'm a hair dresser, and I would love to do
your makeup and hair for the you know, and it's

(06:12):
like such a sweet offer, and I fucking love geting
my hair makeup done.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
We want it so bad, But you don't.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Understand until like five fifty nine. Is that a time. Yes,
we're getting we're freaking the fuck out and getting ready
and finishing our RD piping. There's a lot of typing
at five point fifty nine. This is it. Whenever we
get asked like how much so, how much research goes
into you know, how much time do you spend on
each one? And it's like, no, we're not like that.
We're bad. We didn't finish college. We're terrible at homework.

(06:40):
We care and we love research. We love it and
we care about it. We do, and also we save
it till the very end.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
We save it we have. We push it right into
our blowout time yep, and right into our We could
have had such gorgeous eyeshadows flowing lot. I mean we
would have been to we would have been Kendall and
the other one Kardashian.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
But no, we're trying to do our book report the
night before. Every single time it's like that, huh, so
thank you for the offers.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah we I mean, look, we're fucking we're living high
on the hog professionals offers and we're just scraping through
like feral children. I would like to point this out
so as you know, we talk about our fancy outfits
that we like to get for the tour. We like
to really dress it up for you as much as possible.

(07:32):
This dress I got last night again, last minute, and
I saw it. I was like magic. It's all coming
together for me. It's one of those dresses that has
a built in slip which then turns into a puzzle
when you're putting it on. Ladies backing up, this is
I can't believe I made it into this dress, is
what I'm saying. There was like seven different ways you

(07:54):
could do it. And it's also sewn on because at
one point I was going to rip the fucking thing out,
just like get rid of this slip there. And I
don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Do you ever do the thing when you try to
put a dress? I like, fucking like, I hate the
extra step of putting a dress on basically under a dress,
So I'll do like a slip. So I'll do the
thing where like they're together, and I'll try to put
them on it once and it takes four times as
long to get it on because you're just like a
lot of beat the system, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Also, you guys have seem to have a lot of
static electricity here quite a bit. Is that one of
is that one of the things you're is that one
of your outputs, whatever you call it, is that how
you make money around here is fucking up my hair real.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Go, oh my god, does the city run on it?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's my dress is permanently stuck my dress. It's like
my dress is scared and is grabbing my leg. Usually
I like a little more flow around in this area.
Looks like I just came out of a pond.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Like a Japanese horror. I meant to put heels on
before we came out forgot anyway, are those your show slippers? Yeah?
They're very cute. Yeah they are. Now I'm just so
cood because one time you were like, those shoes you
have on look like those socks you put on under
shoes on stage. She said that, And now I'm like

(09:12):
terrified that that's what these always look like. But there's
there's some shit going on with I think I meant
it as a compliment.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Oh who knows the way when things come out of
me with it?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, I mean, who am I to say anything.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm wearing high heeled clogs right now, I'm wearing I'm
wearing boot clogs with what Now turn out now that
the lights around me to be a navy what it
did not look like that in the store.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I'm trying to be fancy. It looks cool. They won't
let me be fancy. It looks like you did it
on purpose.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I have heels that are like that high, and every
single time when I go to leave my hotel room,
I'm like getting ready, of course, rushed, little typing over here,
drying over here, Run, run, run, And then I look
and there's like shoe choices, and I'm like, fuck you,
I'm putting you honest, I.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Do it every time. No, I'm sure this was a
subconscious thing that I did with I was like, no,
vintage heels, vintage black heels, you can go fuck themselves. Yeah,
these are gross. Oh, Indianapolis, you guys just charmed the
shit out of me. Today. When near my hotel there's
a soup store. Can I tell you this? What a
soup store? Yeah? And you know I love stupid, not stupid,

(10:28):
but puns in general. It's called supremacy. What I could
not stop laughing about that. I made Vince write it
down backstage and I just looked at it and just
started cracking out.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Supremacy seems like it could be slightly probably in.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
This day and age. Yeah, I mean it went through
my head, white bean supremacy, stop it, stop it. Well,
when I was a kid. My first record store. I
didn't realize till I was grown up, and I went, oh,
that's not good. Was vinyl solution? Oh oh, I did it.

(11:04):
My fourteen year old brain wasn't like, they don't want
you here, Georgia, but.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Little Jewish girls walking in I like punk rock.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, they're like, we don't like you. No, that's pretty
fucking clever. How could you not like me?

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I have a little big deals and baby Georgia, Uh wow,
you're yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I flew Southwest, so I'm a little bit pomped out
and I say it. Why not just say it to you.
Anybody's gonna understand its you guys, It's just me, and
it was just me and all these, as Vince said,
just a lot of Steve Bannon looking motherfuckers, you.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
When you're on Southwest, you're like, it's not like that
on Alaska for some reason, but you get on Southwest
and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Man, leather attache cases abound, and like they're fucking persons. Dude,
You're not fucking fooling anyone.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's just a big square per Should we sit down, Yeah,
let's sit down. This is the part where gets really official.
This is a nice chair.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Whos she It's like a conference chair. This is a
high class.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
You should see some of the chairs that we sit
in nice shows. I swear to god, it's like a
guy came up real quick right before the show. It
was just like, but this is like Tony Robbins ordered
these a couple of years ago, left him behind.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Thank you. Oh my god, am I sitting on Tony Robbins?
But that is so amazing. There's someone else that loves
to say fuck that's he really doesn't. He screamed it
in people's faces. Yeah, he's all about it. He thinks
it's very freeing.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Travel mag Travel.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
What does it taste like water? I have had too
much caffeine at this point in my life right now
today now sugar free red Bull, that's listening rich right, Okay, okay,
but supremacy kills me. Kills me.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You give your order and then they make the receipt
into a circle and you slip it on like an armband.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh you just keep going back to that. You know what.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
If this was on Start Live, it would be fine,
But right now it just feels very risky.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Can I tell you about my pizza place in my neighborhood,
and I was a kid. Maybe this started it all.
It's called Sergeant Pepperoni's Jesus Christ. I just appreciate it.
You've loved it since you were child.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Well, everything in my town was just like grocery store.
Our grocery store is called food City. Like you didn't.
You didn't have to have an imagination of any kind.
You were just like, yeap, it's a bunch of food
in there. We're going to get some for ourselves. We'll
come back later and get more.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Food City. Can we tell them about our murder, like
my murder and the Snepho, Stephen, it's Stephen's fault, Stephen's fault.
Shout out to Steve. I mean I could make this
about it's totally his fault.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah. So we because we, as you know, we don't
tell each other the stories, the crimes that we're going
to talk about right now, we don't tell them beforehand.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
It's not faked, Yes, genuinely a surprise for not acting
so last night.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I didn't check in or even think about telling Stephen who.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
So Steven's the middleman.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
We both tell Stephen who are doing and then if
there is any overlap, he lets the second.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Person know, which there hasn't been thus far, never has
been ever, Like am I cool doing so and so?
And he's like.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
You're good always?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Well last night, I uh, I think I checked in
with Stephen around one thirty am because I was like, well,
here's the thing I'm here's my person, and also can
you find me pictures? And I was I was less
checking and more bossing, of course, and he was like, ooh,
we've got some overlap. And I was like, what the

(15:14):
one so had already worked on one? I'd already worked
on it. I'd actually and this is why I don't
work on things.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
The seventh grader in me says, this is why I
don't try. Yeah. Uh so, now you know my guy,
then I.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Know your guys, and then I had to put my
own together real fast. And this is a true story.
I when I got to my hotel room finally I
sat down, I was like, okay, I had on the
plane with my two businessmen on either side of me.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
We're all doing our business.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Me typing about murder them stocks bonds just so much better.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
They could have both been poets.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Who knows? So are we kind of that's very true.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
So what I did was like, just like cause you
can never please never believe that you can actually get
the Internet on a plane.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's such a fucking lie. It's true.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Southwest is like Wi Fi here and Wi Fi there.
And I was like, yeah, I doubt it, And so
I just cut and pasted like thirty pages from murder
Pedia about my person and then I put it in
a document. So on the plane, I was just bowlding
the areas that I wanted to talk about. And what
a gorgeous document.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
It was, Everybody, what an amazing.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Amount of work I can do when I.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Apply myself well, like I mean, when you work on
your murder it's mine is like a fucking massive like
different sizes of fun and different fonts and like blacked
out and then read it out. Yeah, it's just such
a mess.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It always like Verdonna always comes up as a choice.
So it's like I'm just typing in Verdonna font. Do
you hate your eyes? Oh it's awful looking anyway? With
times it's a classic.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
So it's Georgia. I always do you every fucking it's so,
is that true or I never admitted that that's for
you Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, inside secrets.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I mean, if it's cute, it's fine. It's just like.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
A little just go you know, dude, I would fucking
if there was a Karen and it looked like weird Twigs,
I'd beat my whole document.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I wouldn't be like, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe there will be on end someday. Uh
that's the dream to get a font.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
So anyhow, I sit down to do my thing where
I'm gonna take my bold things that I worked on
hard on the plane and put them on my brand
new document. I titled them both the same thing. So
when it came up and said there's already a document
that's this do you want to replace.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh, I said yes.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
And so instead of having pages and pages of bolded information,
I had two paragraphs that were like anyway, everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
It was like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It was five fifteen PM, hadn't showered yet, emergency situation,
and here we are and here we go.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
So we're gonna take an hour break and we'll be
right back.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And even who wants to email us some ideas now
hold tight?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Not true? Uh, this it might be me you're right, Yes,
I think it is. Yes, from just yesterday. Isn't that
weird yesterday or no, today, Tuesday? It came out today,
it's today. It came out today. We recorded on Tuesday,
and I don't remember any of it. We're already getting
like a couple of like put quotes in and like,
I don't remember talking about pinching penises, Like what the fuck,

(18:45):
it's all a blur. I probably said that because that
sounds like something I would say.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh, except for yeah, okay, fine, Cherry Hill is in
New Jersey. I don't know if you guys caught that part,
but I did want My murder took place in Cherryhill, Jersey,
And the entire time I said it was Cherry Hill, Pennsylvania,
I must have said it. I'm from California. We don't
have states that closed. So if you're talking you're talking
about going to Philadelphia, it's like, well, you must be

(19:12):
in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
There's there's no other way. I don't I'm already lost
of what I'm saying right now. Your whole murder was
in the wrong state. Uh huh oh. I didn't realize that. Huh.
I thought you just like mentioned this other city once.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
No, fuck no, I was like the Cherry Hill Mall
in Pennsylvania. Yeah, I was like I was acting like
that guy that does the Mark Twain show, where I
was just like, listen up, theyather round everybody, and let
me tell you about Cherry Hill, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Oh, well, how many people are in the state of
New Jersey and how many people listen to our podcast
because we just lost all of those listeners?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Well did we lose them or now do they have
something to fight about? Which is their favorite fucking thing
in the world to doner New Jersey's like, God, I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I thought you mean pople who listened to the podcast
or favorite thing to do is fight people in New Jersey.
I get it, New Jersey. Yeah, subset, subset, Okay, okay, Yeah,
they're probably gonna just listen to your more mistakes and
correct about them, probably because we make a couple mistakes.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Listen and you know what happens and cut to We're
in New Jersey, right, I mean you guys know, if
anybody knows it's Indianapolis, we.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Fuck up, then we show up. Yeah, Hi, yeah that's true.
All right, sure we do this. What's oh this is
my favorite murder. That's Karen Day. Yeah, thank you, thank you,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
We needed to get a big third cheer going before
the readings start.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Pump you guys up.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
You know, well I went. If I couldn't do Georgia's,
then I had to go to number two, who I didn't.
The only reason I didn't pick her is because she's
an oldie, of like a vintage one.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
You like old timing.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I do love an oldie, but I'd done a couple recently,
so I thought I was going an update and try
to be more current. Nopes, I got slapped back down
by fate, and here I am.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I swooped it hard on the story. You had to like.
This guy's the worst thing I've ever read about my life.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
He's pretty fucking awful. But so is our girl Bell Gunnis. Right.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Everybody you know her, right? Huh horrible? God? She loved
to kill people and burn things down. Is that a
local thing or was that just her taste? Because she she.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Really loved to burn she. I mean, she was what
they call a firebug, all right. Some of her nicknames
were Lady Bluebeard.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh that's gotta be sad, like make you feel bad
about yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, that's gonna that's gonna get you to the Tweezers
and the Magnifying Mirror real quick.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Why did they call me? I shave every day?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
The Laporte Black Widow Rite Laporte. Oh, the Mistress of
Murder Farm.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh that's fun. That actually seems like a British procedural that.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I would watch. Dude, does the Mistress of modifone welcome acts?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay? And Hell's Bell that's cool. That seems more like
a it's like a Roller Derby name.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Totally is.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Also, there's a really great female ACDC cover band called
Hell's Bell. That's unbelievable. KICKI it's amazing. Yeah, alright anyway.
Belle Sorenson Gunnis was born November eleventh, eighteen fifty nine.
She was from Norway. She left there in eighteen eighty
one at the age of twenty one to move to
Chicago like her sister did, so they emigrated to America.

(22:50):
She became a servant and she worked as a servant
for a couple of years, and then she married her
first husband, Mad's Sorensen three years later in eighteen eighty four.
Mas is it Man's does it? The Norwegians have the
name m A. D. S.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Mods.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's mods, that's right, so much? Okay, Man's is kind
of hilarious name, all right. Anyway, the two of them
marry and they open a candy store, and how how
fucked up do you have to be to have an
unsuccessful candy store?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Because they did it. They sucked at candy. How do
you do? How do you do it? They sold like,
what's a gross flavor of only like those buttons on paper.
It's just like buttons.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
They called their candy store buttons on paper.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Just one giant roll of buttons on paper. Kids kept
getting smashed by trying to get one. They're just cutting
weird pieces out randomly. What the store? All right?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So they since their candy store fails, it strangely burned
down almost a year later after they opened it.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
It's a burning candy smell it. So Belle and Mattz
collected their insurance on that business and they bought a
new home, and then they had two biological children, Myrtle
in eighteen ninety seven, then Lucy in eighteen ninety nine.
Those are cute. When is Myrtle gonna come back? It can't.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's that you will immediately be called a turtle grammar school.
Please things through. You have to go through the rhyming
of the children's names. Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Not having a fucking kid, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
They also had a foster child named Jenny Olson. They
also had two other biological children that did not survive infancy,
and both of them were diagnosed to have had extreme colitis,
which has the same symptoms as Trick nine points. But
they're babies and this as a family, and so the

(25:01):
doctors were like, they have extreme colitis. Everybody. Interestingly, I
mean both of those children's lives were insured.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
As you do ensure your baby, I mean a tiny
baby in eighteen whenever the shit.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, that baby was going to be the most amazing
like stick and stick and hoop baby, stick and baby, look.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
At that arm ensure that arm.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I was gonna call it stick and circle.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Jesus Jesus, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
So then on July thirtieth, nineteen hundred, uh Mad's died.
He also had some colitis like problems.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Uh runs in the family.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, that we're poisoning runs in this family. And interestingly,
he died on July thirtieth, which was the only day
his two life insurance policies overlapped.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Man, Oh wow, it's asking for trouble. Lucky, lucky lucky.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
So the swormson's family doctor had been treating him MAT's
for an enlarged heart, and so he the first doctor
was like, this is absolutely strict nine poisoning. And then
the family doctor is like, no, no, no, no, sit down,
young lady.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
He died of heart failure.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And so she applies for insurance money the day after
the funeral, as you do. And she gets eighty five
hundred dollars, which is a little over two hundred thousand
dollars in today's money. Not for another candy star, No, no, no, no.
She learned her candy lesson. So she uses the money
to purchase a forty two acre farm in Laporte, Indiana.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
At the end, that scared this shit out of me.
We were gonna have to come back, I mean we were,
we were about to leave.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
And come back out the second apology tour. Damn so
much harder than it looks. Okay, Indiana. At the end
of McClung Road, everybody.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Talks about what Yeah, oh my god, I love the club.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
So she moves in, and then it's reported that soon
after both the boat and carriage houses burned down. So
maybe that's just what she did to get used to being.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Living in a place. You know what I mean. It's like,
doesn't feel like me yet. I don't know. I want
to warm it up somehow. I want to literally.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Uh oh. Also, I just wrote here very randomly. Reports
say that she was six feet tall and two hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
No.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I think that this is a that's like a Paul
Bunyon thing of like. I think she was so horrifying
that people are like and she's no Norvals. I turned
into one of those things.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Which was tall back then because everyone was like, no
one got higher than five four.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Everyone was like, my bones, my rickets. She's like, I'm
doing great. I'm from Norway and I'll kill you for
no reason.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
All right.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
So as she's getting ready to she buys the farm
in the port she's getting to move, ready to move
from Chicago to La Porte, she becomes reacquainted with a
recent widower named Peter Gunnis, who also is from Norway.
She had that kind of you know, local Norway hookup,
and so they get married in Laporte on April first,
nineteen oh two. A week after the ceremony, Peter's infant

(28:54):
daughter died of uncertain causes while alone in.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
The house with Belle. Oh yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Then on December of nineteen oh two, Peter himself met
with a quote unquote tragic accident. According to Belle, he
was reaching for his slippers next to the kitchen stove.
Oh already, there's too many nouns in this, like when
you're when you have to lie, and we always do.
Just kind of keep the nouns to amends. You don't

(29:24):
need slippers in this story at all. He was just
near the stove like he always is.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Kitchen. Doesn't even like it's a given that the stoves
in the kitchen, that's.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Right, don't don't specify at what we already know. And
like no ites you guys from when you kill her,
that's right. This whole thing's gonna turn on us so
fucking hard, But it'll be fun until then.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So many presents, until he's reaching for.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
His slippers next to the kitchen stove when he's scalded
with brine.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Brian again.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Uh. She later declared that in fact, part of a
sausage grinding machine had fell from a high shelf and
hit him on the head.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Pasky sausage machines. Is this kitchen like? Pee wee herman?
It's like, what is happening? Belle?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Then that anvil came from across the room.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Okay, So a year later, Peter's brother, Gust, is that right?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I should have read this over gust of wind? He
came down. He takes Peter's older daughter, swan Hilda. Wow,
when's swan Hilda coming back?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Everybody?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Wow? Yeah, when's that one coming back?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
When you're gonna hear that yelled across McDonald's play place, Swanhilda, No,
nown't lick that. Basically, get away from the Brian.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Swanhilda Swan Hills's uncle.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Peter's brother comes, Gust, comes down, gets her and gets
her out.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
He's like sorry in a soup premacy, sorry sorry go on, no, no,
never apologize, try not. Uh so she uh so she

(31:32):
gets out. The Uncle's like something's going on. Oh, He's like,
get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yea, get the one remaining living child of a once
flourishing family. So yeah, So the coroner reviews his case
his his death and announces unequivocally or unequivocally, I'm not
sure that he was murdered. And his stepdaughter Jenny, her

(32:00):
stepdaughter Jenny, so I'm sorry. His daughter is overheard at
school saying, my mama killed my papa. She's hid him
with a meat cleaver, and he died just on the swings, chilling,
fucking juice box.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Kids don't lick that so in the candy store.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
So she's brought before the corner's jury. So the corner
does have an inquest because he's like, this is incredibly suspicious.
And when they tried to talk to her about it,
she denies ever having said anything. And then Belle convinces
the corner that she's absolutely innocent and she didn't do anything.
He believes her.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Does he marry her. He does not marry her.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
But then I'm thinking, if she really was, if she
really was six feet tall, two hundred pounds, she must
have been an amazing like presence to be able to
be like, oh, I don't know, I didn't kill him, goodbye,
Like can you imagine this kind of like a giant
test just being like murdering and then being.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Like, but don't blame me. Goodbye. Uh has a duck
through the door on the way out if it's like but.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Everyone drops. Okay, this is taking too long, so Belle
tells neighbors. Soon after, she explains Jenny's gone off to
finishing school.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Never good, h finished.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah that's right. So Belle runs her farm from nineteen
oh three to nineteen oh six, and in nineteen oh
seven she hires a farm hand named Ray Lambfeir. I
think we do have a picture of Ray Lampeir. He's
got a mustache.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Nope, she also had a mustache. You weren't wrong, but
that was Belle. Nope, that's a good one though.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's the farm we just keep going through. There's ah,
what if there's like ninety pictures, it'd be like and
there's me, there's summer in the there's Ray lamb Fear.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
He looks chill.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
He looks like he looks like seventy percent of the
bartenders in Los Angeles. Oh no, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Come see your improv team. Thank you? Oh I just
the look in his eyes so dead. Let me help
you with your farm. I got this. I need to
help you.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So that guy. And also, could we just really quick,
could we go back to the picture of Belle herself,
just to see what everyone's why everyone is so in love?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
There? She is her? Yeah, Oh she's pretty. She's not
am I ron? What's that? She pretty?

Speaker 2 (34:49):
She pretty?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Is? She is? She pretty? Heep?

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Pretty?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
She pretty? Even I'm like, oh, maybe she did didn't
do it? You know what, you guys, I think she's
in a suit. Look at her, Look at she. I
mean she does have a hat face and that I
can't say the same thing. I mean the ruffles, she
really you know, she's got a napkin bib in.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Her fucking and clearly just a huge long rack her
racos instead of being like this fifty style, straight down
farm style.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, we all know that. That means you're a hard worker. Yeah,
marry her, right, Yeah, you got to.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
There wasn't a lot of foundation garments back then.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
You just had to.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
You know, gravity took its toll.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Anyhow. So Ray Ray.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Lampfier shows up with the fire in his eyes and
the insane mustache, and he is immediately in love with her,
so he'll do anything she asks, all right, So this
is that's what's happening to feel around the farm and
At the same time, Bell Gunnis puts an advertisement in
the newspaper, in all the Chicago daily papers and in

(36:11):
I guess some of the Norwegian papers. And this is
the It's basically kind of like a personal ad and
hers reads personal. Comely widow who owns a large farm
in one of the finest districts in Laporte County, Indiana
desires to make the acquaintance of a gentleman equally well
provided with view of joining fortunes. No replies by letter

(36:34):
considered unless sender is willing to follow answer with personal visit.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Triflers need not apply.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Hey, I don't want to know, scramid.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's best friend's farm trying to burn down a horse.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
She tried to burn that horse. Triflers need not apply.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Is our next shirt my ship? Steven, even get on that, Steven,
do it now?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I mean right, I mean she's not wrong. Yes, children, yes,
she murders children and adults.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yes. But but also triflers need not apply. They they
simply need it. They needn't. Okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So now there's a stream of like middle aged mostly
Norwegian male suitors that are coming to the farm bringing
there that a lot of them are just clearing out
their bank accounts, they're selling their houses, they're they're cashing
it all in and bringing their money to this woman
that oftentimes she would she would be changing letters with them,

(38:02):
and they were like, kind of you know, love lovesh.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Letters, my dearest. Exactly, that's it, exactly. I don't know how.
I'm not a poet.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
So ray Lamfear is getting really jealous because these these
men are showing up and they're not leaving.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
In the bad way.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Uh So she fires him on February third, nineteen o eight,
and shortly after she presents herself at the Laporte courthouse
and declares that ray Lamfear was not in his right
mind and was a menace to the public, and she
actually ends up convincing local authorities to hold a sanity
hearing against him. He's pronounced sane and released. Hugh Gunnis

(38:54):
is back a few days later to complain to the
sheriff that Lamfeir had visited her farm and argued with her,
and that she intended he posed a threat to her family.
He posts a threat to her family. She's killed everyone
in her family, everybody, and she has limb Fear arrested
for trespassing. Then she tells a lawyer in Laporte that

(39:18):
she fears for her life and the lives of her children.
She said that Ray Lampfier threatened to kill her and
burn her house down. Oh three fingers pointing back at her.
It's a classic. Uh. So she makes out a will
in case he goes through with it, and then she
leaves her entire entire estate to her children and leaves.

(39:43):
And then she pays off her mortgage. And she doesn't
go to the police to tell them about Lampfeer's behavior.
She's just she's just telling this lawyer. And then the
new she hires a guy named Joe Maxon to replace
lamp Fear in February, and in the early hours of
April twenty eighth, nineteen oh eight, he wakes to the

(40:06):
smell of smoke in his room and he's on the
second floor of the house. And he opens the door
his bedroom door, to a sheet of flames. He's screaming
Bell's name, the children's names. He doesn't hear anything, so
he runs out the door in his underwear. He leaps
from a second story window. He barely survives the fire.

(40:29):
He races to town to get help. But by the
time they come, the hook and ladder old fashioned fire
truck comes back. The whole farmhouse is gutted in a
heap of smoking ruins. And that's that picture of all
the people standing around. That's what's left. And in there
they find the bodies. Yeah, there's four bodies, three child

(40:51):
children's bodies. The children are all on their beds, and
then one of a grown woman, but she doesn't have
a head, uh huh. So so they're like, oh, this
is terrible. The house burned down and the gunnis has
all died inside of it.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Well, the doctors measure.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
The remains and uh, making allowances for the missing neck
and head. Who wrote that Obviously they're not going to
measure an invisible.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Neck and head.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
So they say that the corpse is a woman who
stood five foot three and weighed no more than one
hundred and fifty pounds. Their neighbors said that bell was
probably five nine, but she did weigh like, you know,
one eight two hundred pounds whatever. So they had they
actually had a dressmaker that was in Chicago that they
contacted who had her exact measurements, brought them back and

(41:45):
this body was not spell Gunnis. In the fact police work, yeah, yeah,
shit yeah, in the in turn of the century police work,
let's get positive.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
But they do find Bell's dentures in the ashes, and.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
So because of that the police can't They're like, well,
this then is her? Like they did everything else, everything
else is like nah, you know, I mean we heard
she was five eight.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
But yeah, it's the teeth that really prove it. The
teeth that didn't stay in her mouth most at the time, the.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Teeth that mostly were in a glass.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Removed from your face, they were in a glass at
the top of where her neck was.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
It's inappropriate, all right now one of her earliest victims.
So I will read you this list of people who
did show up at this farm thinking that they were
in love with a woman and they're going to live
the rest of their life on a beautiful farm with her,
and who never left. One of them had a brother
who when his brother never came back and he never

(42:53):
heard from him again, he showed up at the farm
and Bell was like, oh, he never came here, And
he the whole time was like, this woman's dirty. I
don't like it. There's something about So he went after
this fire, he went to the sheriff and was like,
you have got to investigate business. Is this woman's insane?
So Sheriff Smutzer was the man's name, Yeah, the Smutsters. Uh.

(43:14):
He takes a dozen men back to the farm. They
begin to dig and on May third, nineteen oh eight,
they unearthed the body of Jenny Olson, this stepdaughter. They
also found small bodies of two unidentified children, and subsequently
the body of Andrew Hellgellian, who his brother was the
one Aasil probably not was the one who is making

(43:39):
they find his body. And then as they begin digging,
they just keep finding bodies and so these are the
bodies they found.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Ola B.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Bunsburg of Iola, Wisconsin. Oh did you hate him?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Did I pronounce it wrong? I went good luck with this.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
It's gonna get worse. I mean, there's just a fucking
shitload of Scandinavian names. I'm not gonna be able to pronounce.
Thomas Lindbow, Henry girlholt uh uh. They found they find
his watch in the ground, Olaf's fenner hud.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
This is like you dead, This is like sorry.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
This is also like a Betty White's character on Golden Girls,
or I'm just like oh, you mean when Olaf sperdin
Hude went down to the farm and never came back.
John Moe he was there too, Uh, Olof Linde Bloom.
I mean, it just goes it's insane, It goes on

(44:55):
and on, and she ended up. Uh. They think that
she killed over forty people, men, women and children. And
this is my kind of my favorite part of it.
Well there and there's lots of people that are like
unnamed or somebody would like came by. There's you know,
it's bad. And they they actually didn't dig the whole

(45:17):
farm at the time. They found kind of the bodies
that they knew proved that she really was a killer,
but they didn't actually excavate the entire farm. So they
they know of forty, but they think there could be
tons more because she had many, many hundreds of acres
to bury body.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I'm dying too. Does anybody have a shovel? That'd be
so much fun?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
But she's gone, she's disappeared, so nobody ever, there's lots
of sightings of her, and there's people who are like
there's detectives who think they see her in Mexico City
and New York City and all over the place, but
no one ever actually finds her really, uh huh. And then,
in nineteen thirty one, a woman whose name was Esther

(46:03):
Carlson was arrested in Los Angeles for poisoning August Lindstrum
for money, and two people who had known Bell Guinness
claimed to recognize her from the photographs, but the identification
was never proved, and Esther Carlson died in jail while
awaiting trial. Whoa, and that is the story of Bell Gunnis.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Everybody, yeah, man, that's good. Never found her. They never
found her. She gone away with.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
She got away.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
They did more. Yeah, well she mean it between yes,
oh yeah, now she's good at it totally.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
What if or what if she didn't? What if she
stopped murdering. She's like, I'm gonna get this candy thing right.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
And then she became missus Sarah bout thank you. I'm
on needed that, right. I was gonna say, butter is worth,
But that's not campid, that's pancakes. I know, that's breakfast candy.
Yeah yeah, all right, you fucking sickos. You ready for

(47:10):
this song because this one's fucked up. I bet you
guys know what it is already herb borrow myster. Gotta
be screw that herb Bombster. There we go, uh fucking
herb born. Uh can I say the one something really quick? Yes,

(47:32):
there is a picture.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
When you google her Bollmeister and you google images, it's hilarious.
I mean whatever, But there's one picture and I don't
it's the cover of a book someone wrote.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
It's that mask, that skin mask?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I don't know. It comes up.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
It comes up and I click off of it really fast.
But then sometimes I wait like three seconds, then I
click off it really fast.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's not We're not. I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
It's such a bummer on you guys, that's your time.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
See and leave it up the whole time.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
It looks like anything you've seen in ed Gaine school,
except for that it's melting on purpose to fuck with you.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
It's so upsetting. It could be I don't think that's his.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
You don't think he made it.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I don't know. I don't know if he did that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Was it just a piece of art?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Probably unrelated? You know, how like okay, how.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Stuff gets in there and all of a sudden you're like, oh, Cogan, yeah, on,
I'm trying to look up a murder.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
One of the first photos that comes up when you
google my name, not that I do it every night,
or is a Miley Cyrus photo? And I don't know
why you lucky? I know it's not a good one.
Her tongue is in yeah okay. April seventh, nineteen forty seven.

(48:52):
Herb Baumeister is born in suburban Westfield, near Indianapolis. Childhood
is normal, but his adolescent he begins exhibiting anti social behavior.
Acquaintances later recall him playing with dead animals and urinating
on a teacher's desk. Oh, like, was he standing on
it being down or was he just like up in

(49:12):
the air. It was like a waterfall from his desk.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, yeah, because then that's not anti social. It's like
the coolest guy in class.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, that's like very social. Yeah, I have so many
questions about that. Yeah. A friend says he would say
strange things like wonders what it would be like to
taste human urine, not interested, and he had a fascination
with dead animals. As a teenager, he's diagnosed with schizophrenia,

(49:42):
but he doesn't receive further psychiatric treatment, which seems so
hard to believe. Because anyway, he's just he was successful
in a lot of ways. Sorry, no, if that's okay,
Like he could afford doctors and stuff. You mean no
that he was schizophrenic at all. Oh oh he went on
to like have normal jobs and stuff. Yeah, like unmedicated. Okay.
As an adult he starts to a successful murderer. Seems

(50:04):
like a hard thing to be. Yeah. As an adult
he starts to exhibit increasingly be herd bizarre behavior. But
of course someone still marries him always. I have a photo.
I think there's a photo of the two of them together,
the Nomester family. No, no, only let's let's look at
him for there. There they are, Stephen, you did not

(50:24):
put these in order. Stephen, you didn't put these in
the order. I didn't tell you to put them in
never told you about that. One works. I think there's
one more behind it. Yeah, there we are.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh, oh, she's that's right. He put a ring on
that crazy motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I mean he's like, I'm gonna killt lot of people. Sure,
i'll buy you ring. Little does she know. He marries
Julie Satyr in nineteen seventy one, and they have three
fucking children. Although Julie later admits that she and herb

(51:02):
had sex only six times in the twenty five years
they were married. Ah, so you can go back to
the one of the family there were Look at those
kids are like, oh.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Fuck, so it's just six times. So it was two
for the kids, three for the kids. Oh, three kids
each time took two tries and that was it.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
That's it. That's all you get, Julie.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
There's a piece of tape down the middle of the bed.
You stay on your side.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yes, But actually she said she never saw him nude,
that he would get dressed in the bathroom, put pajamas
on the bathroom before coming to bed. He was ashamed
of a skinny body, but also a fucking psychopath. So yeah,
it's not just like a lot of people are skinny.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, a lot of people are. You know, it's kind
of the dream for Tom. A lot of people are
like flatting that shit. Yeah, that's true, making money at it.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
He has a bunch of weird jobs, but his behavior
is always weird and creepy, including urinating on his boss's desk.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Wait, he was like, it's me, the urinating on the
desk guy.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Kind of his thing again, standing on the floor and
pissing up or standing on the desk, because it's kind
of like like funny if he was standing on the desk,
you know, but he's on the ground.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
It's like, Oh, or was the desk in the bathroom
and it's not his hall?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Bear? Let's be fair, good question, fairness. What if in
the bathroom after this, there's just a I walked to
endo p and there's just a desk in the bathroom. No,
it taunted.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Someone's like, Georgia, I'm glad you came in to see
me today. This is your yearly review.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I never saw him nude. He was skinny, weird job
pete on a desk. Then he found a thrift store
chain in Indianapolis in nineteen eighty eight called Save a Lot.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
This Save a Lot sucks.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Did you guys know that you used to buy your
fucking ventured shit at a fucking murderers shot.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It was all comfort and pee. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I don't normally do pea and pood jokes.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
What if what if your like childhood bunk bed was
from Save a Lot. Oh bad memories? All of a sudden,
your mom.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
You keep getting blamed, You're like, I swear to.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
God, I don't wet the bed.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I know, I'm seven.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Can you please listen to me? Then why did they
smell like paint? It became super fucking successful and they
open a second location, and they got super fucking rich.
They buy a huge tudor house in upscale Westfield district
called that the it's called Fox Hollow Firms. They have
a fucking you live in a place with a name.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Oh, we get rich people here.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, you guys mug them after show fears on your
raise your hands. You didn't say that. I said that.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Please don't mug people as a joke.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Fox Dolar farms eighteen and a half acres in an
indoor pool, which is depresses me so much.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It smells so much like chlorina pool.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
They always It just makes me think of like your
divorced dad who's like spending all his money before your
mom can get it. It's just like, so he has
an indoor pool. Yeah, it's just like I don't. It's
snoying get in there and you're like, but I can't,
but I don't want to do laps. Okay. Then in
the nineties nineteen nineties, gay men in the Indianapolis area

(54:47):
start to disappear. Authorities, of course, blamed it on their
lifestyle and they were like, they ran away to the
big city, you know, to like because so we were
we wouldn't like make fun of them. So that's where
they went, and that all the men were of similar age,
height and weight. But Virgil vander griff who's like a
fucking the hero of the story needs to be played

(55:07):
by like Harrison Ford or some shit.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
He's kind of a vander Griffy type.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And Virgil Virgil, look at my earring, but here's an erring.
I hate that airring. They just call him Griff for fee. Anyways,
he's a retired successful private investigator, which is fucking awesome,
and he's approached by the mother of twenty eight year
old Alan Bursard to ask for help finding her missing son,

(55:34):
and Virgil starts to put the pieces together. Alan was
part of the local gay scene and was last seen
leaving a bar called Brothers well and after party there
where it seems like Brothers. Something's going on at Brothers.
I don't know. I kind of don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
It would take too long for an audience to tell
us a story.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
But let's tell our bachelorette Paris right, that's hird or it.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Burned down and people are upset. We don't know, okay. Well.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Investigating Allan's disappearance, vander Griff stumbles upon the case of
Jeff Jones, who disappeared in mid ninety three, a year earlier,
a year earlier, vanishing from the streets of Indianapolis. The
last disappearance which caused Vandergriff to link all the cases
and convince him that Indianapolis has a serial killer was
when he was convinted by a man named Tony Harris.

(56:28):
I think that's not his real name though, because he
was like, I don't want to be a part of this.
He tells vander Griff that his friend Roger Allan Goodlett
thirty four, had left a gay bar called Our Place
with a man calling himself Brian Smart, and he hadn't
been seen since. So Tony is convinced that Brian Smart
had killed his friend. But when police brush him off,

(56:50):
he takes matters into his own hand. Oh hell ya,
Chuck Norris st Yeah. Played by Chuck Norris. We've done it.
We're casting this. We're doing several jobs at once, Steven
write those names down. When Tony next sees Brian Smart
at a gay bar, he tricks Smart into taking him
home with him. Shit, yeah, oh he's going under cover.

(57:14):
L like, yeah, yeah, well that's not a good idea though,
I know, but it's pretty badass. It's insanely badass. Yeah,
only got to it survived and otherwise, yeah, it wouldn't
be an intense tragedy. Okay, we all understand. We got that.
Smart invites Tony back to his house for a cocktail

(57:35):
and a swim. When they get to Brian Smart's house,
a large Tudor Manson mansion, they go for a swim
in the indoor pool and eventually things get weird or
when Smart says, you know what I mean, Yeah, indoor
pools weird enough weird. I just learned that. So Brian
Smart says, I just learned this really great trick. If
you choke someone while you're having sex, it feels really great.

(57:58):
That's not a trick. They're like, we were sorry, we
were just talking about baseball. What the fuck what are
you doing? Yeah? I thought you were gonna show me
some magic. Yeah, this is not a magic trick. This
is creepy, and he says if he choke some uh,
you really get a great rush. He says, okay, sounds fun. Uh.

(58:19):
He he showed Brian shows Tony how to pinch the
carotid arteries and says, it's such a great buzz. You
should see how someone looks when you're doing it to them.
Their lips change colors and that's how you can tell
it's working. And you're like, cool, let's make out, Like,
who the fuck was I just want to know you
more now? Yeah? Yeah, So Tony allows Smart to demonstrate

(58:42):
on him Tony had a death wish Tony.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Wait, Tony, But but Tony's not the private investigator, right, No,
Tony's the dude who's trying to left a gay bar.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah, dude. And he's just like, I'm going I'm going
to do this myself.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, that's awful.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
It's a lot of bad ideas. I'll have a bad idea. Yeah,
maybe thought he could find Okay, go ahead, sorry, I
keep it in on. No, it's good. That's the point
of this whole podcast. Oh right, that's right. So he
allows him to do it, but he pretends to be
unconscious before he could pass out, which I always thought
was a fake thing. Eventually Tony convinced is smart to
take him back into town. Like it happens. He wakes

(59:20):
back up, he's like, I'm good, and they're like, he's like,
can you take me back to town?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
And he does and he's like fine, yeah, because he
didn't pass out sexy enough or something. Also, what I
hate is I'm picturing all of it happening in an
indoor pool, so it's all echoey smelling.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, it's like.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Smells like chemicals, Like, now you pass out?

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Can you just I gotta go a gross, moldy chase lounge.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
One of those signs that says we don't swim in
your toilet, please don't pee in a pool.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Or active diarrhea if you have it, please don't come
in active time. If you have had active are you
in the past twenty four hours? This is we don't
do shit jokes. Yeah, but it's not it's not who
we are. No.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
There's also the one that's like, welcome to our ool.
You might notice there's no p in it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Let's keep it that way. That's funny. Signs from the seventies.
Love it and then oh and then so so he
convinces him to take him back to town. Tony brought
this information to Vandergriff, who I'm sure Tony left some
shit out probably right, that's like even worse than that.

(01:00:31):
And he also told Vandergriff about how there were mannequins
in the basement where Smart had his like bar hang area,
what do they call them? Like a bachelor murder area. Yeah,
mannequins all dressed up in various poses like hanging out.
I'm gonna start crying. I don't like this at all. Well,

(01:00:56):
when Tony's like, what the fuck's Smart, He's like, I
get loan me down here. They give me company, They
give me company, They give me company. Do you know
what I bet? I bet so. I think he would
bring home clothes from his thrift store. I bet he'd
bring them back, and someone in this audience is wearing them.
One Can we bring the house slights up? Uh? Do

(01:01:25):
you know how loud?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I would start screaming if we turned a corner, We're like,
here's the mannequin room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
I'd just be like, I mean, especially if you look
like that fucking dude. Can we get the closer picture
of her? Because that one's another one more bad by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Because he's got the eyes. He's got the eyes of
a person that nope, loves mannequins. They'll find it very
I love mannikins, MANI kills.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
He never peep, but they don't talk herb okay. So
he brings this all the info to the police. Virgil
Vandergriff brings this info of the police. But the only
person who would take him seriously was a detective named
Mary Wilson's who's played by her, who's playing her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Uh, Marcia gay Harden probably is right first, guess right,
because you're gonna have she's gonna be a person that's
gonna be a to wear like a good pant suit.
She's gonna put her hand back like this and show
her gun, but she might Oh, she's not going to
brandish her gun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
She's just going to be like, I've got a gun. Yeah. Yeah,
that's Marcia gay Harden for ladies and gentlemen. That's perfect,
so Mary. As it turns out, it was investigating disappearances
of other Indianapolis men as well. Those a twenty year
old Richard Hamilton, twenty year one year old Johnny Bayer,
and twenty eight year old Alan Livingston and others dating
back to the early nineties all game in well. Tony

(01:02:57):
couldn't remember where Smart's house was located.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I know it's key, key information. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
He's like, I think it had the name Fox in it.
Like he really couldn't remember. And they even were like,
what about this house that has an indoor pool, And
he's like, I don't think it is. It was Tony. Okay,
Tony was high as a little coke little fucking He's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Like, look, I had to blend in. It's just I
had to do what was everybody else was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
It's the early nineties. There's a lot of coke. Probably,
I don't really remember an indoor pool or mannequin. Let's see,
he couldn't remember, but he's he is. He is obsessively
frequent in gay bars for the next year, in hopes
of spotting Smart again. He's like, I'm going to fix
the fact that I can't remember the shit. Well, yeah,

(01:03:43):
but he couldn't track him down a whole year. Almost Then,
on the night of August twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five,
Tony spots Smart and a gay bar takes down his
motherfucking license plate, number nice. When Mary Wilson runs the plates,
they belong to not anyone named Brian Smart, but to
Herbert R. Baumeister of Westfield, Indiana. Did you guys get
catch on to that? Probably right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
I did, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I've definitely did.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
He lived in a state cal blah blah blah blah
with his wife and children the manor house Mary learned
how to swimming pool in the basement. Mary confronted Herb
at his first store. She's like, I think you're a
fucking murderer of gay men. And his thrift store is
failing right now because of his increasingly erratic behavior. Ma mannikins,

(01:04:30):
like Herb, we don't need that many mannequins. It's just
you can't even walk through the aisles. Yes, it's nuts.
You don't need you don't need shopping mannequins, and we
have shoppers for that. Oh how creepy would that if
you turn a corner with your shopping cart and it's
just like mannequin with a shopping cart.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I wanted this COR's T shirt. It's mine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Oh god, oh no no. But he refuses to talk.
They said they wanted to search his home and they're like,
he's like, talk to my lawyer. Don't talk to me again.
But then they go to his wife, Julie, who also
has you know, rain over the property and is like, hey,
guess what your husband's We think he's killing gay men
around town? Can we search your property? And she's like,

(01:05:11):
I can't deal with this right now, get the fuck
out of here. Nope, Nope, She like, noped it real hard. Well,
that makes a lot of sense. You gotta right, that's awful. Yeah,
She's like, oh fuck, then he gonna go for us swim.
I can't. I can't handle this right now. Well, six
months goes by and her brain is like, oh, like

(01:05:33):
slowly catching up to the oh fuckedness of it. Yeah.
She remembers that a year earlier, her son had been
playing in the wooded backyard and he finds a half buried,
complete human skeleton. What hey, mommy, mommy, you got amail?

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Mommy, mommy, it's Halloween already.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
And she's like, oh shit, And she's like, honey, please
tell me an excuse because I can't handle this. And
he told her that his father had been a doctor.
She said it. He said it had been one of
his dissecting, dissecting skeletons. But he started in the garage
and then buried it in the backyard after he decided
to clean the garage as you do. And there was
a slippers and Brian, you know it's like this all

(01:06:18):
the time. Well, this happens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I thought you were gonna say. And I feel like
other people did too, Like the son found like a
human femur, or does someone small thing not a half
buried human motherfucking skeleton, all like West Craven presents in
your backyard.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
It is so upset that pork kid man. Oh Jesus,
he's not having a good life. Are or he's living
his best life? That's right. He became Oprah Winfrey, Love it,
Love it. In addition, for several months at a time,
she and the kids would get the fuck out of

(01:07:00):
there and visit his mother, leaving her but at home
alone for like months at a time. It makes sense,
right when you leave your husband for months and go
to his mom's house because she's cooler to hang out
with than.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yasma, his mom's cooler than him. Yeah, that's that's your marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Yeah, great, bye. And the timeline she like put it
together and the timeline matched of when the guys were disappearing.
So she was like, you know what, I'm gonna fell
for divorce. And then she calls Mary and she's like,
get the fuck over here. Now he's out of town.
So in June of ninety six, Mary she Mary goes

(01:07:38):
to Mary along with some skeptical officers, who of course
would like they ran away to the big city. You know,
still know it simply must be so yeah, well I
don't look at evidence. I make it up easy. Easy. Yeah.
I was like, you like easy, easy, no, no, no, easy,
peezy got it. They they go to the property just so,

(01:08:00):
they step out into the backyard and they immediately encounter
a bone about a foot long, chart from having been
burned in the backyard, as well as fragments of bones
strewn about, and even human teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Oh dude, that's from my uncle's dentist.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Dental company. Houstony love gardening, you know so much. We
heard it helps the plants grow and keeps the bugs away.
Sprinkle teeth on petunias. Oh, the colors the State Fair.
Every year I enter them. It is nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
You walk out from an indoor pool into fucking the bone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yard like crunch, crunch. The sheriffs are like, we don't
think this is oh fuck, and Mary's like, gun, yeah,
I tell you, I told you so. After police thoroughly
searched the eighteen acre estate, they turn up the remains

(01:09:04):
of eleven men. Early in his investigation. Vandergriff, good, old,
fucking reliable Vandergriff, He's going to be played by a
hound dog. I think you know what I mean with
a fucking oh yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah,
uh and go yes, yep, mcgraf. Yeah, he's McGrath. That's right,

(01:09:27):
he's halfway there. That's all there, mcgraff, Vandergriff, where we go?
So easy? So he had made connections to the disappearances
of gay men in Indianapolis, between them and the strangling
murders of gay men whose bodies were found dumped along
the corridor of Interstate seventy in Indiana and Ohio between
Indianapolis and Columbus. Is that right, which had been dubbed

(01:09:49):
the I seventy murders, and it's herb Well here we go.
Oh sorry, yes, thank you for listening. That's my stord
nice the last known I seventy murder Nine of them
in all had been committed in nineteen ninety, not long
before the Indianapolis disappearances began. So Julie Boutmeister told authorities

(01:10:11):
that her husband made as many as one hundred trips
to Ohio and on what he said was a business trip.
You know, as you do it, you're in a thrift store.
Fucking shopper. You got to get that good Ohio thrift clothes. Yeah,
oh right, you guys have all those grandma's letters. I mean,
I would do it. I would, I would do it

(01:10:31):
right now. I would go right now. First we go
dig up the rest of your lady's farm. Then you
fucking go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Then we go down to sweater Land. Yeah, or is
it down? Don't know where I am that way? Not
sure where I am?

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Is there barbecue on the way. We stopped for barbecue.
I'm going good, good, great them. So one hundred business trips.
Somebody set a store business during the late eighties. His
and his photo match the police sketch drawn from witnesses
who thought they had seen the I seventy strangler, which
I think was a fucking sketch of it because Stephen's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Ooh, the one on the right is the Scarecrow from
the Wizard of All. I don't know, I want to
miss you most of all Scarecrow. I don't know if
it looks like him, but he's a black guy's creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
They were like, just can you give the worst eyes
you've ever looked at? And then a weird poudy lip.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Trust me on this very very light mustache, and let's
pluck those eyebrows a little bit. Yeah yeah. Yeah. So
so he's officially later declared the Ice seventy killer.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah. So this guy during the time, during the stretch,
during the search of his property, he disappears her Do
you know I did that? And I feel like I was.
I knew I was going to do that at some point.
It because when I was a kid, I called herbs

(01:12:07):
herbs and my mom yelled at me for so it's
a triggering. So now I see the word herb and
I'm like, don't fuck that up. But it's her.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Jesus, so many issues on the table tonight. You would
never even you wouldn't expect it. We look so normal,
and they arrested herbs Herb.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
So he disappears from the place he's stay in out
of town when he finds out they're searching his property.
He was at Lake Wawassee in Coscochesico County where we'll
be touring next. That's the one. Then he entered what,

(01:12:51):
thank you? Then he enters yes, now it's perfectly clear,
thank you. I learned an Oregon not to repeat what
the name because I got it wrong again and everyone
just yells it loud. Oh my god, that was so
do you remember the name of that city? Fuck? No,
it was hard thought, you guys. The okay? So he

(01:13:15):
is he okay. He goes out of town and he
goes into Canada. On June thirtieth, he ends up in
Grand Bend, Ontario, and there at Pinery Park. On the
evening of July third, Herb writes a suicide note attributing
his decision to kill himself to his failing business and
irreparable marriage. But nope, doesn't mention the skeletons, oh, the

(01:13:35):
dead men. Nope, it's because his marriage sucks. You know
what I mean. Yeah. His final words on the three
page suicide note said that he would now eat a
peanut butter sandwich, which was his favorite snack, and then
go to sleep. He even apologized for messing up the park.
Then he put a three hundred and seventy five magnum
two point three to seventy five magnum. I don't know guns,

(01:13:57):
revolver barrel, I don't know. I don't know for soona
just he put three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Hundred and seventy five guns into his mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Just to be sure. But he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
That's herb.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah, he puts it to us forehead, he pulls the trigger.
His body is found eight days later. Yeah, gotta you know.
It's some some hikers going. That's what's that smell? It's
always what's that smell?

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Hikers? And what are all those flies doing over? Yeah? Yeah.
The evening before he died, a Canadian trooper stopped him
to ask him why he was sleeping in his car
and ask him why the long face. I'm sorry, hey,
why the peanut butter sandwich and a long face? Quit
messing up this part. Before letting him go, she notices

(01:14:48):
some luggage in the back and what looked like a
pile of videotapes in his back seat, but when they
find his car, no signs of the videotapes. They're never recovered.
Police suspect he threw them into river before he went
and killed himself. I hope so. Virgil Vandergriff said, well,
these videotapes of the murders he committed the were these

(01:15:09):
were these the videotapes of the murders he committed in
the pool at Fox Hollow Farms. We'll never know, and
perhaps it's for the best. But then you have to
play Virgil grand run clearly, thank you, okay, really quickly. Then,
of course I fucking looked at the email. Sorry you guys,
my allergies. Are you know the city? Okay? Hey, Georgia

(01:15:32):
and Karen, I started your podcast months ago and been
meaning to send you my hometown murder, but I'm so
fucking forgetful and lazy I never got around to it
until now. Hey. Hi, I'm from a small city of Westfield,
Indiana and have lived here my whole life. My hometown
murder starts when I was around ten, and I used
to hang out with my friend about six out of
the seven days of a week for the summers I
lived there. Something. I was thrilled to find out that

(01:15:54):
they moved to a beautiful farmhouse about a mile away
from where I lived. No, no, no, Oh no, it's not.
Get that, it's not that, it's not it's totally that track.
You not, only because this house was a hop, skip
and a jump away from my house. I love that,
but it was fucking insane. They had acres of WMB

(01:16:16):
where they're newly purchased horses around a giant manton, and oddly,
remember indoor pool where we spent most of our time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Oh really, and what about the ghosts that we're there with?

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Well? I never got a creepier eerie feeling about the
house until I was older and started noticing odd things
such as the secret room behind my friend's bathroom mirror.
Say it again, Say it again? What's this you say?
I never got to creepy your eerie feeling about the
house intil I was older and started noticing all things
about the secret room behind my friend's bathroom mirror, whole.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Room behind a mirror, and then you go into the
room face first through a mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
It just said murder room, face first into them. Or
maybe the fact that we found quote ammable bones in
the backyard. Oh, our parents freaked out a little more
than I thought they would. But it wasn't until I
was watching a local network when I found out that
the fairy house my friend lived in Fox Hollow Farms

(01:17:16):
was previously on by a stir killer my parentsly obviously
my parents obviously knew, but kept it from me because
of my age, apparently. And then she says killed them
in the indoor swimming pool. I didn't realize. Don't worry.
It doesn't stop there. He continued to burn them in
the fireplace and buried them in the backyard. So he
burned them in their fight in his fireplace, which I

(01:17:37):
didn't I didn't find that info anywhere else. It's a
pretty interesting story. If you guys ever have time to
read it, which I know you won't. It says that
so negative. Yeah, well that's all. I have loved the podcast.
If you're ever in Indianapolis, maybe we can take a
tour of the farm SSDGM Maddie. That's her bomb my
ster myster way to go Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
I mean that is there is a ghost Hunters or
a Haunting. There's an episode of one of those shows,
and that's the first time I heard of this story. Yeah,
and it is such a bummer because everything else is bad.
Real time, how it happened the fact that it was
like just a marginalized group of people who were like, oh,

(01:18:22):
it's not a problem that these men are disappearing, all
those things, the fact that people, you know, these murderers
get away with killing people and.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Then he gets to just kill himself and never have
to deal with any of it, never talk about it. Irustrating.
Then mannequins, indoor pools, as we've talked about, behind the
mirror rooms behind I mean, then on top of it,
ghosts and you fucking fold some ghost feelings inside there.
I want to thank this fucking town because sometimes we'll

(01:18:51):
go to a city and I'm like, I don't know,
like I've done every Chicago murder, I don't know what
else to do. At this time, I was like, oh
my god, this is felt like a gift that was
given to me. I get to tell everybody about herb Yeah,
thank you. So that's that was amazing. It was so good. Yeah,

(01:19:14):
thank you. I didn't mean like that was amazing, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I just said, we're even if you don't clap, we're
gonna be like that was fucking incredible, and standing up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Can I show you, Georgia font So let's see it
that is gorgeous. Thank you. It's so clear, Thank you,
it's so not convoluted, like I am. What was in
the room behind the mirror?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
And why wouldn't you just put a secret door instead
of how do you get into a room that's behind
a mirror? Is there another door besides the mirror, like
a full length fucking mirror in a different room? Does
it have to be mirrors? Are you a warlock of
some kind? Is there anyone that knows the answers?

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah? Who built that mirror for him? Did they come
over like sure, yeah, you're like, it's for my mannequin,
it's my manicom.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
My mannequin asked if they could have a secret room
behind the mirror, and I was like, you know what,
it's your birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Yes, you get it. And the builder's like okay, yeah,
sounds legit. Great, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Here's my bill.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Everything's cool. You get to live your life. Do you
think that we have time? Yes? And here's the cool part.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
And miss honor system, We've got a story you tweeted
us today or yesterday, and I need to hear the
story about the girl who dressed up in her murdered
cousin's clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
That's coming out wrong. Someone put her into thas did
the girl that's about to come up here dress in her.
Let's let her explain it. I see her there. Okay,
come around this way, come around this way, and then
army roll. What has happened? Let's bring out our hometelling.

(01:21:06):
Where are you? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Oh? Hi? Who wa whoa whoa? Hi?

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Was your name? Taylor? Taylor?

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
We don't need all that, and I'm Rebecca, Hi, Rebecca,
We don't need it. Do you guys want to get
up on this like backup singers?

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Fun here we can just Taylor Taylor and Rebecca will
explain that tweet so that people understand what's your name?

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Can it all happened for us? Sound wise? Thank you
you're talking to Thanks? Noah, thank you? Use it anyway?
Show business? So I sent the tweet out, but it's
her story. Get out of here, okay to creepy and weird.
Are you guys related?

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
We work together? Oh okay.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
So I actually actually sent this in as an email
and I was telling Beck about it and she was like, no, no, no, no,
you have to have to tell his story.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
So this actually happened before I was born. My mom
was actually pregnant with me.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
And I'm from one of those families in like southern
Indiana who has like all of these cousins.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
They're not actually.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
Cousins, they're just like your marriage or like your parents
are really close friends or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Yeah, it's easier, and we have that in California too,
it's called having friends.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
So I have I called him my cousins.

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
But at the time, there was Jamie who was like four,
and sherry Lynn, who was about a year and a
half old, and their parents had just gotten divorced.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Their dad was in the Navy and he was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:43):
Stationed in Pearl Harbor and he got custody of the
kids after the divorce whatever whatever, took the kids off
to Pearl Harbor, and one day he was like, Sherylyn's missing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
She's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
And she's the older one, or the younger one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
She's the younger one. She's like and a half old,
and she's like, she's gone.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
I don't know what happened. I went out, I met
this woman, I brought her back, and then I.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Just noticed that she was gone. So like two days later.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Happened to notice that my children weren't there anymore. So
two days later they found a body in Pearl Harbor
in a Duffel bag that was just like floating along
you know, Hawaii, and Sherry Lynne is inside and so
he claims that he doesn't know it, he doesn't know
what's happened. And then this woman comes forward and she

(01:23:33):
was like, I was the woman he took him that night.
She wouldn't stop crying, and he was like, oh, just
ignore the baby, this is whine. We can, you know,
like still have our time together.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Let's still make out.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Yeah yeah, And she was like, no, this is like
really fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
I don't want to like kiss you while your baby's crying,
and so she left and yeah, right, So what eventually
happened is that he got really mad and strangled the
baby and was like, I don't know what to do
with his body, so let's just like put it in
like a national monument. No one's gonna find it, that's right.

(01:24:10):
So they it was actually kind of the same thing,
like he was acquitted with like a regular dream, but
then like the Navy, remember I don't know what story
that was, y yes, remember?

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, doesn't fuck around with stuff like that
after your bath.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
So he went to jail and they're doing this investigation.

Speaker 5 (01:24:32):
My mom was like nine and ten thousand months pregnant
with me time, and the FBI like bursts into her
work and is like what.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Do you know about this?

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
And she's like, I'm just a little pregnant woman. I
have no clue what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
That old story.

Speaker 5 (01:24:47):
Yeah, So he ends up going to jail for like
fifteen years, and when he gets out, the first thing
he does is he comes back to Indiana and he
visits the grave and I had like family members who
were there at the time, and he just like awkwardly
walked up and it's like hey, guys, like, oh, you're
like can you yeah, Like this is really awkward. And

(01:25:08):
then he's never been seen again, Like we yeah, we've
never seen him again. But I had an aunt who
kept all of her clothes, and every year when I
had like my pictures at like three, four, five, six,
Oh my god, they put me in her clothes until
I was like too big anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Why why? Why? Why? Who would do that? And we
just get to this stage and they're gonna have to
buy her Why because she also looks like her.

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Oh girl, there's there's a set of like two pictures
where you can't really tell who's whose.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
We're in the same clothes. It's like a VC Andrews novel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Wow? I wish she could put a photo up, right,
I know, I wish.

Speaker 5 (01:25:50):
I tried to find one and I emailed my mom
yesterday and she was like, yeah, dude, we don't look
at those because they're scary.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Was like, dude, what is wrong with you? As most
of our family does. Yeah, my family's pretty messed up.
Well that's a good one dollar Taylor. You guys too, Yeah,
thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Done, good job, very good, and you guys, good job.
A little bag from the Dollar Store. Oh, it's shared
on the Facebook page. But the little bags from the
Dollar Store? Oh, sh like top secret official report and
it talks about a fake arson.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
It's like an evidence bag. That's super cute. What's inside?
So I have tissues and bobby pins? Can I have
a tissue? Tissue?

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Can?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Georgia needs though, Thank you so much? Awesome, just want Okay,
do you have any gum or anything?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yeah, I'll take that whole.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Thank you? Nice to meet you. Good job, Thank you
so much. I'm not not a hugger. It's just too
bad I don't have pockeys. Yeah, next time, next time.
That was perfect, you guys, that was so awesome. Thank
you so much. Yay, that's good. See we can make

(01:27:24):
mistakes and then we can make.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Good on that and we can steal gum, and we
can steal gum and we can have what we want.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Let people tell the worst story of all time. And
that's what this is all about. It's us getting what
we want. That's right over in the most horrible way.
Thank you so much for being Thank you guys, Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
This has been really awesome. What a great show, what
an awesome audience.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Really we would love it if you would stay sexy
and jump. Bye you guys.