68 - Q&T&A

On this week’s My Favorite Murder, Karen and Georgia answer your questions about humble beginnings, going back in time to be part of an investigation, finding their favorite murder, GPS whistles, and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Smith birthday.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a birthday month.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I love that we're traveling on my birthday.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I know.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
That's the that's the what we give up for this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
What if I get the whole plane to sing happy
birthday to you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I will ache with this podcast. He never talked to
you again. You know that's my sensitivity.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I cannot in a restaurant have anyone seeing it Happy birthday?
Right no? Wow, okay, okay, okay. I didn't think so,
but I couldn't remember if it was like funny or
horrifying for you.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Well, a plane would be bad because then you just
have to sit there like a restaurant.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
What you say, I think it would be the best
because the unexpected.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well as people hate your guts. It's like in a restaurant,
you can join in or not get in a plane
then you're you're just trapped with fig fun. But like
remember when we were at that restaurant in Portland, the
Turkey restaurant and oh yeah, and someone saying happy birthday
and it was so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh yeah, I always sing along, piece sing along always.
It's always like not I mean like people, I don't know,
it's the most fun. It is like you're so happy
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yes, they have friends or a loved one that they're
celebrating that this is a good thing. We're all in
some way glad you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Or then it's just like a couple on a first date.
You're like one of them make it up to seem
fun that it's their birthday and tell them, or like.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
And are they that pathetic that they have to make
up birthdays to be.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Fun or is it a girlfriend who just got dumped
in her friends with her and she's like, you know what,
you just serve a candle. I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna
make you laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I'm gonna get you free hot fudge. That's how much
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Hey, this is my favorite murder. We started.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
We are the true crime podcast that asks the question
what if we talked about that there's stuff and also
that's the questions in a weird way, it sounds like I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's our tagline.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Hobo said.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
This is the first. Uh, this is the first podcast episode.
Slash transmission from the podcast Nook of my new apartment.
It's a loft. There's wrestling memorbilia everywhere because we watch wrestling.
Name this place. Uh, we watch murder. That's this is
what we want is called Yeah, that's awesome. They record here,

(02:28):
they get they get one wall of murder, memory of podcasting,
the nope, where am I wrestling? Wrestling memorabilia, and we
get one and a half, very filled out, very full
of gifts murdering. No gifts to us, yes, one of
which we just got and I'm so in love with
It's He's like plush pillows, one for each of us.

(02:50):
This squirrel got custom made fabric of squirrels and bunnies
and foresty stuff and it's adorable. But there's also a
murder scene and it's cartoon murder scenes and skulls and
bones and like buried bodies.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, and then strips of material. Let's say stay out
of the forest.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
It looks like, you know, police do not cross line,
but it says stay out of the forest. And they're amazing.
Let's get her very cute shout out. It's called uh.
Her name is Mariah and it's Etsy dot Com and
her name is cou kalamaka Cocalamakla. That's that.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I don't know, You're right, I'm just thrown it out there.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's k O O k A l A m A
k A. I hope she's selling these because they're fucking
incredible and they're like, they're like legit.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Well, and also they're on this. For all the other
people who've given us lovely gifts, just know they're here.
They're all They're all around us right now. Somebody tweeted
at me the other way the other day, did your
lava ball necklace make it back from the Fox Theater,
which is like first the first leg of the tour
way long ago? And I would like to report to
that person, Yes, of course it did. It's not it's

(04:00):
not in this loft. It's somewhere in my kitchen. But
we all the stuff people give us, we ship back
and then we like sit in it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
It's gonna be once it's all up and I finally
dealt with it, it's gonna be. This place is gonna be
a fucking hoarder's nightmare of murder.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
So good. So thanks for those, thank you lovely gifts.
Oh so now we have to talk about casting Jambinet,
because you guys were like I thought you were gonna yeah,
So here's what I'll just do. The quick version of
the what happened. We decide what we're gonna do is
do our first ever live watching podcast recording. We're together,

(04:39):
George and I watch Casting Jambinet and comment on it
as it goes and basically have that kind of experience
would not be hilarious and fun and it's just fascinating.
Turns out no, I would say we got well. It
turned out that Casting Jombinet was not the thing we
thought it was. It was a different thing. I would
personally say it was a study on the strange personalities

(05:06):
and behavior of actors.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, that's close.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
There was a lot of the desperation of the of
show business. There were a lot of other things happening
besides just the story of John Benny Ramsay's murder.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
That maybe this will finally be the thing that catapults me,
much like my favorite murder wasn't when we started it, yeah,
because we never uh yeah. And it was a lot
of opinions of people that I didn't care about their opinions.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's their opinions seemed super made up. And as we
all know, no one likes to look in the mirror, right.
So I was sitting there going, lady, shut your mouth,
you don't know anything about. And then I was like, oh,
damn it. So it was not I think we got
fifteen twenty minutes in and we just like looked at Stephen,
We're like, turn it off. This is not because I couldn't.
It wasn't even like I could riff about it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, it was too weird.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Lots of the things were happening we're visual or feel
like just bad vibes, and we were basically sitting there
kind of shitting on normal people who were tricked into
being in this documentary.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I think in the beginning, when we didn't realize what
it was, we were like, this is funny and it's good,
and like we were being really funny and griffy, and
then it got kind of sad and then we just
I realized we had both been sitting there in silence
for five minutes. Yeah, and I was like, this isn't.
What do we do for this week's episode because this
isn't fucking it? And so we put up a live
our one of our favorite live episode. One of our

(06:30):
favorite people had been asking for it, so we were
gonna put out Anyways, We've we've.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Built in a security system so that we can take
artistic chances, but that was not one we should have ever.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
This week is one we're going to take, and I
feel like it's going to go.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, this is a good one, Stephen. Was this your
idea Q and A episode? Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
All like was it jargia?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well no, no, no, it is such a brat. I hated it.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Look on your face when I just looked over you
right now, you were just like.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I hate it, I hate myself. Why do I just
let everyone have it?

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You can? Yes, you don't think I do that all
day long? That's all anyone. If you think of good ideas,
you want.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Credit for fucking know it all?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Sorry, thank you to Stephen's cheeks are all red and
now you feels a deep shame for something and I
like stole it? Did you steal it? No?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I Stephen, No, you're good.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Thank you, Stephen.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I was just gonna say, yeah, Q and A, it's
gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You are correct in your a. The queue is it
go on?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
What I was just gonna say, did you have something
to say about John Benet? Look like you were going
to pick up the mic.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Oh, I was gonna say. We ended up watching like
forty five minutes of it.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh my god, you have to. So if you want
to pay a thousand dollars to listen to that, give
it to charity. We don't need it. But you can't. Also,
you know you're not allowed to. We won't tell you
what charity it is.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
You're such a marketer, you're such a like, how do
we take this thing and turn it into And I
love it.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I'm a know it all and I'm a fucking marketer.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I'm a know it all. I'm a non marketer, So
pick one. I mean, there's all these lanes we can
be in. But here's the thing, know it All's it's
because we have experience being right, and so it's you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
You know why. It's because we actually know it all everything.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I mean, if there's anything this podcast has proven is
that we know everything. We know everything down to.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Science.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Someone tweeted and said, please make sure people understand that
it is important to give like resuscitation, and like it
was something where there was a person who had a
lot of experience. It was just like you've basically told
people they don't have to give. Yeah, artificial artificial respiration
or whatever, any of that.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Storry about it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
You can pull the thing off the wall. There's a
woman like, please know that's not true at all.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
There's a blowhorn on the wall, and if you just
cram it in their face and blowhorn in their face,
they're fine. You don't have to give CPR. You don't
have to know CPR anymore. No, congratulations. Yeah, okay, So
but something came out of the Gambinet episode.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yes, that's right, because we did take the time at
the beginning to reveal each other's tramp stamps to each other,
which is promise.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Yeah, thank god, careen remember that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, So, so we're actually gonna play that was real time.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, we're going to play that backtend.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
We're not going to recreate it.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, so we're going to play you our reveal that
we promised you of our tramp stamps.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Go quickly, tell everyone how and why, uh and where
and under what conditions you got your tramp stamp? Go?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Oh yeah. I had my heart broken really bad for
like the first big time ever was I was like nineteen,
and it was like ripped from my fucking chest and
I just needed a distraction so badly. I was so
sad that I was just like, I'm getting a fucking tattoo.
So I had my friend perfect solution, you know what
I mean. I was just like, I need something else
to fucking focus on. So I had my friend, who

(09:59):
had a bunch of tattoos, take me to the tattoo
artists in an Orange County. Then he went to who
ended up sucking. Yeah, and I got hearts on both
my like upper flanks.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
What do you.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Use the word flank? Which is great and perfect.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
You can see that in your mind.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
So it's two red hearts with a black little outline
on them. They're cute.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, it's almost like you like you accessorized yourself permanently.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't mind them, but I never see them.
I forget they're there. And it totally worked. It totally
distracted me.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah that's great.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Guys, get a tattoo if you're sad, Yeah, it's perfect.
What about you.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I just have a salmon. I just have a picture
of a salmon.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Is it like a filet of salmon on a plate
with like some parsley, It's.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Some delicious braised salmon. It's a It's actually looks exactly
like the sticker on the back of a fisherman's truck cab.
You know those. Yeah, it's like, oh here, I like
fishing these specific kind of fish. It's based on that picture.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Is it color? Is it okay? Why did you get that? Alcoholism?
And we why is salmon?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I've told the story before, But the original plan was
we were going to get pokemahone tattooed on our asses.
It was me and my two other alcoholic friends. What's
that or I mean party friends. That's gaylic for kiss
my ass. So we thought we were drunk. We thought
would be very funny, very funny to get that tattooed
on our ass. We went to the tattoo parlor on
Sunset that's not there anymore. And when we told the

(11:27):
guy that was a plan, he refused to do it.
He said it would look terrible, the words would have
to be too big. Thank fucking God for him. But
then my friends, who also already had tattoos, had backup
like planned piece immediately, And I was just standing there,
still totally drunk and like, I don't know, And so
I did like a thing that I thought would be
kind of funny or like, I can't really explain it.

(11:50):
It's just the perfect symbol of how I did everything
in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
It almost like a it's a fuck it tattoo. Yeah,
it's a who fucking cares about life tattoo.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's a permanent fuck it, which is what's stupid about it?

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, it's on your back. Who sees it? Nobody? Not
me when you're walking away, not me, not me. I
love the fact that you hate fish. Yeah, I can't
eat You can't eat fish.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Can't eat it?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
All right, Stephen, look away, we're going to show each
other our track stamps. Can I, Karen, show me your salmon.
It's not going to be getting your salmon tail. It's
not a whale tail. Let's see. Oh wow, it's actually
done really well. It's really light too. Yes, it's like
a shade. It's well shaded. I was expecting like a
cartoon outline of Oh no, I don't know. It's actually

(12:33):
done really well. It's not as big as I thought
it would be.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
He's wearing glasses.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, he's got a cigar in his mouth.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
For me, it feels humongous, like the size of the
palm of my hand.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
It's not, honestly, and I'm not just you don't need
to do this. But if you wanted to get that removed,
I bet it would take just a few sessions.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I bet it would because it's not that. It just
looks almost like veins, like strangely plays veins right now?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Really light? Okay, let's see are you already Mine isn't.
And if I ever want to get removed, I just
have to cut my flanks off.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Oh at least you have flanks.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, talk about mudflaps.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh, America, I wish you could see what I'm seeing
right now.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's such a nineteen year old Georgian move.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
So good. I mean, it looks like too missus Grossman's
stickers on either side of the above of your butt cheeks.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's so funny locket Man.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Just kind of classic.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, fuck it, Adrianne, thank you for breaking my heart.
Thank you for having a girlfriend the whole time you
were dating me.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Oh, Adrian, and you were ghosting me, Adrian, what did
you think was going to happen? And also, do you
still feel that now that human impact hangover that you left? Uh?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, do you feel it? We're friends on Facebook? Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
That's why I can't be on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm so much better than him. Now I'm one, and
you got the hearts to prove it, and I got
the blacking hearts to prove it. Hearts and the butt
hearts the heart of your butt, you know. Yeah, so
that's tattoo.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Okay, we just had to We had to get that
cleared up before we could give our full attention.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
You can't keep talking about it and then not do it.
That's exactly right, Okay, I remember, remember, and then so
something did come out.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's good of Yeah, we learned a little more about
each other. We're just building that bridge of love.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
If you had to get another tattoo, what would it be?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Your face next to the salmon? The salmon you're you're
the salmon's birthmark, and it's all fate. It's like God's
close up look God's own salmon.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
I mean, I feel like obligated to get a stay sex.
You don't get murder tattoo?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
You do?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I do? But then what if it all goes to
shit and I'm like reminded every day but like this
ended in.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
A fire, Well you'll be reminded every day anyway, So
you might as well make it look like you have
some sort of sense of humor. About it.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's true, you can't. And then if I get stay sex,
you don't get murder. When it all ghost to shit,
I can write I didn't stay sexy right.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
At the top. They're all so they're so adjustable.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Tattoos.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
There's nothing more flexible than a tattoo.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh and then oh I wanted to read a corrections
corner email. Yeah right, yeah, I guess what I was
wrong about stuff. This is Georgia, by the way, this
is from w How do you say that name? Let's
see Hilloa. It's got to be better than Shiloh. Shit,

(15:31):
you're right. How come I can't put letters and they're
correct because you panic? I have panic.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Dyslexia is don't you think like the second you look
at it and it's not immediately recognizable, you're like, you're
gonna get it wrong, and then you don't let yourself.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
I also don't think that. Then I do want to
say that the name Chevon, the spelling is not fair.
I think I've said that before anyways.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
The Irish name Chavon.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, it's spelling.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It looks like siobond.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's not fair.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's insanity, but that's Gaelic. That's like a whole different language.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
As someone who can't read things. It's not fair.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Okayah, that one's not.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
First of all, I wanted to thank you for Shelley
for sharing my Trece's tragic story. That's a couple episode back.
That's my Terce Richardson, a really great not great, but
a horrible story. That's important.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Anyways, I think it's incredibly important for the public to
be aware of such mishaps and encouraged law enforcement entities
to learn from these tragedies. Both of the agencies mentioned
in your story have been around for a long time
and have both wonderful triumphs and shameful pieces to their history.
My correction is to bring awareness that the LAPD and
the La County Sheriff's Department are not the same thing. Hi.

(16:34):
Both are two enormous departments within the County of Los Angeles,
and lots of people think that they are synonyms for
each other. However, when referring to specific cases, especially when
there is when there was neglect or misuse of powers,
it's important to hold the correct agency accountable. In your
retelling of the story, you actually referred to both. However,

(16:55):
this was entirely the Los Angeles County Sheriff Sheriff's Department case.
LAPD was not involved whatsoever. Thank you, Steven for taking
the time to read this. I only made the correction
because I know that you have such a large audience
and don't think that incorrect information, especially in such a
turbulent social and political climate towards law enforcement, should be perpetuated.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
True.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
A small additional correction, A law enforcement officer is never
trained to shoot someone simply to injure them, for instance,
hit them in the shoulder or the leg, said Georgia.
He didn't write that, or she didn't write that. I
said that there are other tools at their disposal for
less than lethal force, and the firearms only meant for
one purpose. So interesting. If I can ever be of

(17:40):
any help on any of these topics, please feel free
to reach out. I think we needed this person in
an entire episode.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yes sure.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I am a forensic psychologist with a research background in
police psychology, and I also have law enforcement experience. Keep
up the amazing work, ladies. I love all that you do. Shiloh,
thank you so much for that email. I mean, listen, you.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Know what's embarrassing to me about that email is I have,
as I've mentioned several times, a lot of relatives in
the San Francisco Police apartment, right, but I also have
had relatives that are sheriffs. So I feel like if
anyone should have known that very big difference, I should
have at least.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
In such the comedy writer, No, why would you know that?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I just feel like that's something I kind of know
back in the back of my mind. But I think
it's because they were They do it in different areas,
So like if you were to tell me they were synonymous,
I would have been like, oh, yeah, that makes sense
to me.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That was a perfect email of telling us why we
were wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
And also information that we do really need to know.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I'm so happy to get those. In the same
way that when we were told that you don't say prostitute,
you say sex worker, we have just completely tried never
to do that again. I fucking correct people all the
time in the most cocky way. Actually, Dad, I corrected
my dad.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Don't you feel like there's nothing better? There's nothing more
quickly that you do that with new information, then turn
around and use it on somebody else, Like that's my
favorite thing. Oh, the second I'm going to this second
somebody says anything about the sheriff and the lapd I'm
gonna be like, Hi, I'm sorry, excuse me. I don't
mean to interrupt your dinner, because those are two different entities.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
They're not synonymous. And do I use that word? And
it's because we know everything, yes, even until we learn
it and then from there on.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
But then yeah, but then we still know it. And
time is a flat circle.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So last week when we played our live episode from Indianapolis,
is that right? And Karen's fucking fabulous murder what was
her name?

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Bell Gunnis?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Bell Gunnis had a fucking thing in the newspaper asking
for her husband that she was going to murder, and
it said at.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
The end, triflers need not apply.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
And we said to you guys at this show, that's
our next shirt, and guess what it is. Yep, let's
do birthday corner. Oh, go to my favorite murder shirts
dot com. I'm all over the place.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Karen, Yes, when this comes out, it will be my booth,
God willing.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
When this comes out, I could be dead soon. That's true.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well, I was thinking more that the entire world will
implode and there won't be some two days no grid
off the grid, the grid will be down.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
That's going to take at least four more months.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I'd say four days. So when this comes out on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
We have.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Two days two days day Friday, we're fucked. But on Thursday, happy.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Birthday, Thank you kindly.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm so excited for you. We're going to be on tour.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yep, it's a dream birthday. I get to be in
a hotel room, which I loved. I get to go
do shows for our fans, which is the most fun,
the biggest, like ego boost, the most the best way
to make a living.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh, I thought you're being sarcastic about the hotel room.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, I could live in hotel room. Yeah, there's nothing
I love more.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I thought you were gonna get like real dark and
deep of like I'm going to be alone.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
No, you're I'm going to be I'm going to be alone.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I was like, Vincent, I will take you to dinner.
I was like, how much you want to be a couple.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
That's like, no, you just make out the whole time. Anyway,
you guys, what TV shows do you like?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Would you have a show on your birthday. That would
be so fun.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Just travel the best part about touring.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Can I bring you a donna on stage on Friday.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
At the DC show, whichever one's first.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Would you not want a whole audience sing happy birthday
to you? You probably do?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, I absolutely demand it.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, great, Stephen, What were you gonna say? Happy birthday?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Justay birthday, Steve.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Thank you, Steven. I'm pretty excited. I mean, at my age,
you stop caring about birthdays. And I know that people
say that it's a real mom thing to say while
you threw a dish owl over your shoulder, but you
really just you know, I think.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
At twenty three up caring about birthdays.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Unless you're really unless you're really looking for something, yeah,
really searching.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah yeah, well that got dark.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Hey, let's get questions asked at us. Okay, that was
our new idea of questions.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
My my, it's a Q and A episode. Everybody get ready?
Did you make any kind of keyboard music for I
got two days? Yes? Can you do you think you
lay in like ready keyboard exciting music?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
I just saw a guy Brandham, so I'm thinking about
you know, talk show, game show.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
So I got a yes, okay, let's pause right here
for Steven to put his his music in Q. Oh
my god, Stephen, that was amazing.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
It's all teed up now.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Just the baby.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Screaming, just the Jeopardy theme.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's really good with a baby screaming over it.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's perfect.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
There.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
So here's some stats. Four hundred emails in three point
five days.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
And yeah, that's the only stat I guess.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
The other stat is that the only status stat words.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
So the first question I thought would be the most
interesting is who thought of the name my favorite murder?
And what were the this? Oh, Jessica asked this? And
what were the other name alternatives?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Oh? Never any other alternatives.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
It came out real fast from how I remember it, uh,
I was I believe we were on the phone.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
No, we were. I thought we were at cafe one
on one in a booth.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Well that's very possible, you mean adder like that four hour.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
One of our I think it was the one where
I finally was like can we make this a podcast?
And I was like, meet me here, we're doing this, okay,
and then we we like slowly came up with the idea.
Not slowly. I think it was like pretty rapid. It
was pretty fast, and then I think I went to
pee and came back and you were like, what about this? Yeah,

(24:08):
and then I was like yes, and that was it. Yeah,
there was never any I remember the notebook I brought,
and I recently went to find the page of like
notes I took on like what we could do, and
there wasn't any because it was just like, okay, let's
do that. Yes.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
I just remember you came out with the It was
like it was your idea to do it, and then
it was you brought the hometown murder idea, so it
was almost like it just went. It was like watching
something lay out in front of you where you're just like, oh, yeah, this.
I remember I remember pitching that, but I for some reason,
I remember being on the phone. But then I also

(24:44):
remember polutely could have been I mean, who knew. I
really I would never argue it. But I do remember
that night going home, and because I was, I think
I said verbally to you, what if we'd had like
a a kind of a dark true detective style theme?
And then I went home just to I just sat
in my TV room and did what is now the
actual theme one one take it was a one take

(25:06):
kind of example. It was supposed to be an example.
That's why the sound is.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
So bad on it. I wonder if we still have
the text. I still have the I still have the
recording you sent me because it's in all the texts
on your iPhone. But I just want it's got to
be in there somewhere of like, how's a song? And
I think I was like, great, let's do it. I
think you recorded it after we recorded our first episode.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yes, that's right, because the first one didn't have anything right.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I don't know. I think the first one we just
needed to put it.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh, we put it opening. Yeah, all right, is this interesting?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
I don't know. Are you interested? I'm interested? I guess
I am. This is fun. Do you know what? I
love to talk about ourselves, totally you know what this
podcast is talking about ourselves, totally awesome, talking about other stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, if you switched bodies freaky This is from Melissa. Yeah,
if you switched bodies freaky freaky Friday stuff for one day,
what would you do as the other person?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
I would touch my big boobs. I'm not kidding. I'm sorry,
I'm touching your boobs. I just immediately it was like
I'd have big boobs.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I would start off with your most insane outfit, like,
were yours your most extreme vintage dress?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I know which one.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
It is a pre breakfast and I would change my
clothes twenty five times that.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Day because I have so many clothes, because you have.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
So many outfits and you have so many combinations. And
George's is this thing. I have one shirt. I call
it my meeting shirt, and every time we George and
I have a meeting together, I show up in the
same shirt.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Georgia a lot of meetings lately too, so it's kind
of been like, it's pretty hilarious. I'm like, I am like,
what am I going to?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Wait? Yep, And I'm like should I leave now? I'm
already fifteen minutes late. But then Georgia rolls up in
clothes that I'm like, I remember people wearing that in
nineteen eighty two, Like these outfits that are so rad
and perfect.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, I would do outfits shopping addiction. It's a problem. No,
But I did show up to therapy today and like
my favorite like sweater, and my therapist almost started crying
because she was like, I had that when I was
in elementary school.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
You have so many clothes that I had in elementary school.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
It's hilarious. That means a lot to me. I love dressing,
I love outfits. This is what happens when all you
have is hand me down. Is when you're a kid
from like boys, like your older cousin boy cousins, you
become a shopaholic and then just have all the clothes.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, and the cutest dresses. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I touch my boobs still.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
You know what I would do too, I would have
cleavage that I'd learned what it was like for someone
to talk at my boobs, you know how like girls.
I was like, he just stared right at my boots
and he That's never happened to me.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think when you have big boobs, well, it just
depends on the kind of person you are. But I've
been the person that's been like, maybe I know you
know these are not the dyers you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I'm sorry to objectify you. No, it's OK, I'm not.
I'm sorry if I make me uncomfortable, I'm just so bad,
like most basically an acup my entire life.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I've always wanted to be the kind of girl that
like Oh, it's a special party. I'm going to put
on I'm going to get put a push up bron
and put on like this dress but my boobs. Like
in that scenario it looks rated X. It's like it
looks it looks it looks like it's not for public consumption.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
I also have like a semnis around showing too much
skin where it's like, why do I have to do
this in society? Like I get, I definitely want I'll
try to wear a low cut shirt. I get sad.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you feel like
you feel like you have to.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, Like I feel objectified like I'm doing to you
right now. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
It's fun when your friend does it. Though, okay, it is.
It's a compliment.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
So this is a question that we got from a
lot of people. But I had a question about it
because isn't the first episode technically your favorite murders John
Benet and the Sacramentos Easterea rapist? Are Are those technically
my favorite murders?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Asked that a lot when it's like, what is your
favorite murder? I just don't think there's an answer.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
No.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
So then my question is has that changed since you've
started doing this podcast, has like has like your what
you would consider your favorite? Has it changed should all
since you started?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I would say it has changed because to me, it's this,
it's the murder story. The best thing that lays out
as a story is become my favorite because when it's
like a person that's say, it's just like they killed
a bunch of people in one day at the end,
like it's hard to make that have legs or be

(29:40):
you know, like you have to do a bunch of
other research to pull that out in any way.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Like there's a lot of murders. People are like, I
wish you would do this that we just can't because
there's not it's just this sad short story of knowing
there's no conclusion to.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
It, or like I've we've talked about this a couple
of times and there's been a couple of people that tweeted.
But the Georgia Moses story, who is the other little
twelve year old girl who has murdered my hometown who
is black and so she was basically the like the uh,
it's the opposite of poly class where poly class It
was a national news story and nobody's ever heard of
Georgia Moses. And when I went I told people I

(30:14):
would do that story, and when I went to research it,
every single part of it is so depressing. She was
so abandoned and not taken care of and the you know,
not supported in any way, and no one helped her,
No adults in her life seemed to help her. She
was such a it's just the saddest story that, like,

(30:34):
I you know, it's that kind of thing where then
I just I kind of avoid it because it's like,
how do I present this in a way that doesn't
want to make you just cry at the end.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, I think the word favorite is so I just
I love I love the stories and the mysteries and
the horrific circumstances behind it in a way that means
I fucking hate it so much that it makes me angry.
So that's what you I mean. It's just so hard
to be like. Jean Benet is my favorite. John Benet

(31:04):
is really interesting to me because I think that it's
so diabolical and insane. And then I just I don't know,
there's no there's.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Too many categories. Yeah, I think to really pick one
into Also, I've answered that question differently every time we've
been asked.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Me too, and then we get asked like, what was
your first one that you were interested in? For me,
it changes all the time, where like I'll remember a
new one and be like, oh, yeah, I love that. Yeah,
I just remember this morning that when I was like thirteen,
Jane's Addiction was my favorite band in the world, and
I just remembered they have a song called Ted just
admitted that was about Ted Bundy, which made me look,
who the fuck is Ted Bundy and made me look

(31:39):
into it? And that is just like you just what
was your first what was I don't know, what's your favorite?

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, it's hard to remember those, Like everybody has a
million defining moments or a million like it. I mean,
like mine isn't even really a murder. I just remember
how excited I got when I went to check out
the Amityville Horror Book and my Grammar school library and
sister Rita Rose, who was the oldest nun in the
game the world, still wearing a habit and she had

(32:05):
like gnarled old fingers. She looked like a character from
a Stephen King novel.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And I went to check that book out and she
was so angry at me, but I was like, it's
in the school library, like it's not my fault. And
I also checked it out multiple times, but that was like,
oh god.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
That school right now, and found that book in Karen
Kilgarrett's little bit.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Do that. But I mean, you know, being then it's
my birthday. We'll just say it was fucking over thirty
years ago. Isn't that insane? It was so long ago.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
But it's still there. They don't rip those card catalog
Dewey decimal shit out of the books. I wonder it's
eating it.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I can get my friend Katie to go look because
she works there.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Katie, do it, go do it? What was I'm sorry?
What was the question?

Speaker 4 (32:48):
I think it just done?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That was great?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Mary?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Oh sorry, Mary ECHI I don't Mary with e e
k E asks what's the the best worst reaction that
you've gotten from somebody who doesn't share your love of
true crime?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Well, I mean there are those social media messages we
get where it's like woman of Satan, I'll kill you
or things like that that we just immediately delete and
report and don't pay attention to.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know what I did, which I know is a mistake,
but it ended up making me feel really good. Is
I read the comments on a thing we were in.
We were on the Washington Post. We had an interview
and which was so incredible on this past weekend, and
it was amazing and it's like legit. And my mom went,
who po exclamation mark? And I told her about it

(33:43):
and there I started reading the comments and there were
all these people of like how dare they this and that?
And every single one was comment and on by a
fucking murder you now very eloquently telling them why they
were incorrect and why it was actually good and not
in a dick way. And it was just like, we
don't need we don't need to respond to those things
because everyone's everyone's are there are bullies for us? Right?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
And also the people that that stance of like the
how dare you stance? Do you write to Keith Morrison
and say how dare you for reporting the murders that
you do and in a salacious way on twenty twenty
or whatever? You know what I mean? Like it's are
you bringing this to other people's doors? I bet they're not.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I bet they are. Keith call us let us know.
Can you come hang out with us.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
You're the only one that could answer that question.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Scotty asks, how much money would you have to be
paid to hitchhike across the country?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Is that Scotty Landis? I bet it?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
No. Scotty's like, because I want to take you on
a hitchhiking and I want to. He's a producer. He's like,
that's my new show, hitchhiking show.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Where it shows real time how killed we guess.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
And Scotty doesn't intervene when we're actually getting killed. He
just keeps smiling, like, great, this is going to be
a hit TV show. I would I don't need money. Worked,
are we together?

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I don't need money.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I think you can set the terms of it. Oh no,
you have to be alone and it has to be tonight.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
Tonight, we leave tonight and we have to do it alone.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
So then, but well, the monetary answer then would be
I would minimum six million dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I was gonna say a million. Kind I'm cheap, I'm
a cheap kill.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, you got to get that money up there.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
What if, Karen, you had to say you had to
accept every ride that stopped, like you couldn't be like
no pass you had, well, then.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Money would matter because I would definitely be dead, I
mean right, like, oh my god, what?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But also I don't think people pick up hitchhikers anymore.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
No, I think. Well, but if you're a girl, I
think it's definitely true. But if you're murderable, that's different.
I mean, I think me and my big tits are
pretty murderable, and I would definitely be wearing a V
neck T shirt.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Six million, six million for care and a million for
me because I make cups I'm cheaper.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Also, I just hate the idea of having to into
other people's cars, Like you know, when you get like
like at festivals, you get picked up by some kid.
It's his car and he's got weird shit hanging from
the rear view mirror and stuff like that. It's it's
not like that's a dream, even when they don't want
to kill you, much less than when you're also feeling
like you're in danger.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I had an uber the other day that it smelled
like he had put his infected feet on every surface
of the uber on purpose? Did I already tell you this?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
On purpose? That he had like singing as fucking nursery
rhyme touched every anyways so well.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
But worse than that for me was why it kind
of stopped taking ubers after a while. Is because the
cologne or whatever was happening where they were using either
air freshener or it was colone. But I would roll
the windows on. It'd be like the middle of the night,
and they'd be like, well, are you are you hot?
What's do you need me to try on the air conditioner?
Just be like, I can't breathe, stop it. You and
your axe body spray are bumming me out.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I don't it's too much.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Okay, did we answer? Thanks Scotty Landis for playing ball.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who's oh, this
is from Deborah, I keep forgetting it, put the names whatever.
Since since starting My Favorite Murder, has anyone who has
been in your life for a long time told you
a story that you never would have known if it
wasn't for the podcast?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Everyone for sure, yeah, everyone, And or they mentioned it
and now they tell you more details or they remember
another one and they're like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yes, definitely, that's definitely happened.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And it's not weird when you ask them for more details.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Right, Well, the best example is my cousin. My cousin's
texting me on was it Thanksgiving or Christmas to tell
me that my cousin, Marty, who is now a retired
San Francisco policeman, was there and found the fingerprint that
broke the nightstalker case and like they put it together
over there because my cousins.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Listen, why would they ever tell you that? Yes?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
And he was like I was yelling at him because
I was like, how could you not need Like I
don't think anybody ever wants to talk.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
About You're going to bring that up with your random cousins?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
You see once every year? Hey, you know what I did?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I have?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I just remember I had save it. The other day,
like two weekends ago. I was with my family having
lunch and because of the you know, we were talking
about the podcast, and my uncle, who I see once
every three years or something, was like, oh, yeah, I
rented out my apartment to a mass murderer. And I

(38:29):
was like I'm sorry, Like and he and I don't
you know, he's we don't really connect. And then we
went and I was like, tell me everything, and I
have it on my phone recorded. Do you remember the
name of my cut of my uncle?

Speaker 1 (38:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yes, I have it recorded, and I feel like I
should save it because, yes, say it's a good's it
sounds amazing. You know this Saren Gas in Japan?

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yes, he was in that cult. No, well he rented
it to that guy.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
He rented it to the head of that cult.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
No, yep, the guy that Wyoh. Okay, should I just.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Tell you or should I work? He's such a funny guy.
I think I should save it and let him tell you.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Okay, good, Yeah, we'll do that.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay, So yes, the answer is yes.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Amanda asks, would you ever have a p as a
pen pal with somebody in prison?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
No, nope, was that not what we're interested in? No?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Thanks?

Speaker 3 (39:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Amber asks what are some movies that you watched as
a kid that frightened you but you're still nostalgic about Poltergeist?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Oh, pulter Geist, the best Arachnophobia?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh if poor Michael. I for a while was a babysitter,
like when I was super broken. It was right after
I started having seizure, so I couldn't drive and I
kind of couldn't do anything in My friend Pat Buckle's
God bless her soul. She was like, come and babysit
the kids and I'll pay you whatever. She took my car,
so it was like she was paying me to be
the babysitter and then she got to use my car.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
It was perfect. But anyway, Michael at the time, who's
now like in his early twenties, but he was like
five at the time, and we were hanging out one
night in a rachnophobia came on. I was like, do
you want to watch this? He's like yeah. He still
had like a little boy accent, like this is scary
like that. It scared the shit out of him. And
Pat called me later it's like, really a rachnophobia and

(40:21):
I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry. Like
I had to relearn how to be a normal person
with children because I was like, oh, yeah, you're right,
that's a spider's coming out of a shower head.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I didn't take a shower as a kid. Oh for years? No,
or what I still don't take shower?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Oh baby powder.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
What were here of movies.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
As a kid? I mean the Exorcist we saw I
mean mine or older, but we would always see those
movies that got rerun on.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
At night standard TV, so like the Trilogy of Terror.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
It's not a movie, but it was a TV show
called The Trilogy of Terror. And anybody that was little
in the seventies can tell you that it was the
scariest fucking thing in the world. And we watched it.
It was me and my sister, We were probably like
seven and nine. Then my cousin Stevie was like thirteen,
and then Hit. Our older cousins were like in there, fifteen,
sixteen whatever. We all watched it together with all the

(41:18):
parents were out to dinner. And it's the one where
it has a little The last one is this little doll,
and I believe it's Karen Black is the person who
owns the doll, and it's like someone gave it to
her from a you know, they brought it back from
some different country. And she gets up to take a
shower and the doll that's like this doll is sitting

(41:38):
there and it has a thing around its neck, a
necklace that says, never take this off. And then the
necklace drops off and the doll comes to life, and
it has a little knife and it just tries to
kill her and it's it freaked us all out so
bad that like that night we spent the night at
my aunt Jean's, and my cousin Stevie got up in
the middle of the night screaming like it was a

(41:59):
whole event in the in in our family.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I mean, well, we don't even need movies, we need
all the news. Yeah, was like horrifying, and they were
like kids, gather around and look at all these horror thics.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Check this ship, check the shit out.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I was just watching gun Self Mysteries the other night
and it's like the song, the theme song makes me
want to cry. And then what was the one that
was like Twilight Zone but it was newer. It was
called what was it, Stephen Unix.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Steven Amazing Story.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yes, yes, they had some really fucking skill and like
all the ghost shits scared the shit out of me
when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I think on Amazing Were Amazing Stories based on true stories?

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Or were they?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Was it just I think so because I feel like
that was the one. It was either the reboot of
Twilight Zone or was Amazing Stories where there was a
woman a man picks his wife up after she has
been attacked. He picks her up from the hospital, remember that,
And as they're driving home, she goes, that's him, that's
the man, and she freaks out. He gets out, he
gets back in, and then she does it. She just

(43:02):
keeps doing it the whole ride home.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Suddenly he realizes he killed the wrong Yep, man, is
that a I think that's a Twilight Zone.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
But it was a new one. Oh oh, like it
was modern. Yeah, it wasn't the old.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
You know who will know is Joe DeRosa, who was
a Twilight Zone expert, So you know.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
So Joe DeRosa. They he and Pat while she have
have a podcast that we've talked about called Your We'll
See You in Hell, You and How. And I've met
Joe DeRosa's mom and she's she's got this accent, like
Jerseyish accent. She's like, well, when I was I would
make Joe at six years old watch these horrors. She's
obsessed with horror movies. And she was just talking about
how she'd make Joe. I didn't want to watch them alone,

(43:42):
So you make your five and six year old kid
watch them with you, And it's like, oh, I get
your I get Joe so much better now because he
had to watch had to watch these movies with his mommy. Joe, Okay,
sorry not sorry? Why am I sorry?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Never? Sorry?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Julia asks what would your what would your dream job
in the true crime field be like? If you could
be in the true crime like.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
M M.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I guess, hmmm go going through of m crime scene analyst?
Is that a thing? Can I go?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:29):
That's all I want?

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Crime scene analyst is sounds almost definitely like a real thing.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I want to go to the estate sale of someone
who got killed with the intent of finding out why
they got killed.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
You want to be a detective?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Thank you? Oh my god. I don't want to be
a detective.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
You want to be a detective?

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, like a straight up I don't like you know, yes,
I don't need a fancy fucking.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Office title.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Money.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I'm trying to think. I feel like I would want
to do something in the lab where they test things,
where people are waiting to see what the thing is.
Really Yeah, Like I like the idea of being at
ground zero when you find out this is definitely his blood,
it's not his blood one of those.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Things that's cool. I don't that's that seems clean And
I want to get disgusting.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Right, I want to get disgusting, except for I want
it to be like fictionally disgusting, where it's interesting disgusting
as opposed to regular bummer disgusting.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I imagine the first time I see the real it
really what it is, I would change my mind. But
I did find out that an ex boyfriend was worked
at it uh morgue and would pick up the bodies. Yeah,
and I was fucking pissed that he got to do
that after breaking my heart, that he got to then
be something fucking cool and I didn't.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, did he appreciate it? Did he know that it was?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Mount Myra also worked at for a funeral home. He did.
I listened to his I think he was on crap
feast and he told the story was I mean, amazing stories.
But I feel like I don't even know enough about
any of anyone know what my favorite thing would be.
But I think, uh, the person who gets to call

(46:23):
the lead detective to say we got him, sunny or whatever.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I want to be a podcast, a true crime podcaster.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh, I don't think you're gonna I don't think that's
gonna work. That's not a job.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
So I've been told, is it getting harder to find
stories for the podcast?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, not in the least. Oh my god, there's we
have too many.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I have too many that I'm excited about. Yeah. The
hard thing is actually for me finding them for live shows.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Suddenly, the work, the work of putting it together in
a cohesive, accurate, condemn it's just like that that's going
to please people, and having that consciousness of it and
all that. I think it's just the self consciousness of
our live shows, of all of it. Oh, is that's
what's hard for me?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, it's very hard. It's hard, but for me it's
hard but rewarding, and I enjoy it for our for
the podcast. But live shows is hard because you have
you want to do it somewhere near the town you're
doing it, at least I want. And then I've realized
that there's certain topics that you should I shouldn't be
covering in the live shows. So you don't want to
do a bunch of child murders because then you get silence,

(47:34):
and that makes me self conscious and weird.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
So that part is hard for me.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So when I do find one, I get really excited,
But I don't have mine for this weekend and it's Tuesday, and.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
We have so much time because it's so hard.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah, but now we're tour manager is my husband, and
he's like, are you done?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Do you need to do it?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Georgia, No, we're not going.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Out with a fire, do it. We simply don't have
to deal with that.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Inspired from me my husband because some of the tour
manager that's right.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Oh, and that was from Sarah, Sarah Sarah. And then
Ali asks she's been dying to know after Miniso twenty five,
did you two go to Barnes and Noble and get
mechanical pencils in a day planner?

Speaker 2 (48:17):
We did?

Speaker 1 (48:18):
We sure did we. I couldn't wait and so I
went and got a day planner by myself. Right then
we met up at Barnes and Noble to look to
to and then Georgie was like, well, let's go look
at day planners and then I was like, oh, I
got want to reny. But but when we had sushi,
then we ate a bunch of sushi. Uh, and we

(48:40):
just had a good old time at the Americana.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Glendale's Grove, Madwell, what's up, Madewell? But also sorry, Madewell,
But then the J Crew that's across from the maidwell
at the Grove is starting to feel very competitive because
I went into the maidewell at the Grove. Sorry, this
is I mean, this is asshole corner. But I went
into the main well at the Grove and the girl

(49:05):
gave me a discount and we had a nice chat.
And then I got a tweet later that day that
was like, we like you better at the J Crew
across the street. It was really hilarious.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Can I do ask whole corner real quick? And last
night when I was at the fucking mecca of Hipsterville
of the Trader Joe's in silver Ley, and one of
the Trader Joe's workers ow who was like, I feel
like they were on another plane of like coolness somehow.
Maybe it's because I the love an application for Trader
Joe's and they never hired me because I can't math,
so it's like, yeah, you think you're better than me.

(49:36):
But she was stalking salads and she turns to me
and just goes, you know, that's the thing, and I
was just I almost started crying, and I think I
think I overdid it because she was just like great
and like walked away almost to cry, and she's like,
this isn't what I wanted from telling her this.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we have nice fans.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
No where to go?

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Eve asks A stat I've heard slash scene slash right
over the years is that there are approximately eighty seven
active serial killers in the US right now. Do you
think this is accurate? Too high? Too low?

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I just read an article that said there were forty.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I know I've seen lower like thirty to forty.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But I mean, that's too many. I also, they don't know.
It's all conjecture, so it's like we think it's this.
But then when the Killing Field series was on, it
made it seem like there were five hundred active serial killers.
I mean it was like there's tons.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
A number. I'm more interested in is how many clandestine
graves are there? Like right now, carrying, you're sitting in
front of a tapestry of a beautiful forest, and it's
like whenever. And when we were driving, we were on
a road trip to locate to do a live show,
and I was staring at the window and looking at
the fields, and all I could think of was how
many dead bodies are buried out there, yep, because there's

(50:48):
got to be so many so serial killers. I don't know, yeah,
but dead bodies, that's what you want to know.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, Yeah, it's an interesting There's a really good I
believe it's in the sand series by Neil Gaiman. But
if I'm wrong, man, are people going to be mad
at me. But there was one of the comic books
and the whole thing was about how all the serial
killers were meeting up at a motel for the did
you read that one for them? For the serial killer
convention that they were having.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
That wasn't American Gods, was it?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
No?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh, that was all the gods.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yes, it's called a Merit New fucking Yes, yes, similar feel,
but I'm pretty sure it was.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Oh that's Sandman interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
And it was. I think about that all the time,
where like, do they know each other but they hate
each other?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah? I mean yeah, because they want to be the Yeah,
but they're like they're not doing it right.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, wonder wonder.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Jordan asks, So my husband got me this bluetooth whistle
thing that should I blow it? A text with help
and my GPS location is sent to three of my contacts.
It keeps updating with my GPS until I check in
and verify I'm fine. My question is, what do you
think about this kind of technology? Would you guys carry one?
And do you think it'll be common in the future.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
What if it just picked whatever? It was like a
roulette of whatever contacts and it was like your ex
boyfriend and some guy you met at a fucking.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Someone that you used to work with that you do
not talk to anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I'm sorry, what help.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
The first thing I thought of, Like, I love the
idea of that, but if in my hands, like this
weekend I was at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival, is super fun. Great.
I must have lost my glasses five times, and a
couple of the times they were in my pocket and
I would just like, in the second I thought they
were gone, I was just freaking out, and like I
left them at the last place. I would start walking

(52:33):
back to places the whole nine yards. But so that
being said, what I mean is I have that thing
of like I'm going to be sending help to people
never met it after a while, just like the fable,
everyone's like it's just her thing where she touches it
all the time. But actually I am at the bottom
of a. Well, you know it's going to backfire eventually.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well eventually after three days of have you heard from Karen?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
But the way I am of like flaking on people
in late it's gonna be like three months later you're like,
should we check on Karen? She might be mad at
me or whatever, just like, never come over.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I almost got you for your birthday this like it
was this like journal notebook and it just said on
the front excuses for why I can't go out, but
I didn't so true. I mean, dude, I need that too.
I mean I was like, do I have a stomach ailment?
Like this weekend was great because I was trying to
do a fake not a real fast. And I was like,

(53:31):
I can just tell everyone that I can't go out
and they'll get it because we're in La.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Yes, that's right, that's a classic.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
And then I had a pretzel.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
That pretzel looks so good. Georgia said to me the pretzel,
the picture of the pretzel that was breaking her fast,
and I wanted to reach through the phone and grab
it away from her.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
The York and Highland Park And as I was walking
back to my car where Vince and I were walking
across the crosswalk and this couple and one of them
is like a model, like one of the most beautiful women.
And she said Hi, Georgia, and I was like, I
absolutely don't know anyone who look like that, and I
said Hi, like I not high. I said hi. But

(54:05):
then she tweeted at me and was like, I said
hi to you. I'm a fan of the podcast. And
I was like, I know, because I would have known
that I know a model.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Oh it's my model friend, Gloria, a model friend.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Yes, I also did. I also the first thing I
said when I got here was like, that pretzel looks amazing.
It will I just was like, like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
So it was so big, it had it It looked
like a cartoon pretzel. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
York and Highland Park shout out, yeah, well done.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
On your pretzel game.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Alyssa asks, do you think you guys could get away
with murdered?

Speaker 3 (54:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
No, I don't think No.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
I would leave my glasses there, Leopolden Lobe shouting out
for real, I would confess.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I think I just couldn't carry that around with no.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
No, no, that's even considering it makes me feel guilty,
like it's so everything about it, It is so terrible.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I just I can't you know, I wouldn't get away
with it because I don't think because in my mind,
I would think I couldn't get away with it, so
I would just go insan and I would probably kill
myself and leave a note. It just couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah, but then you'd already killed somebody else, so then
it was just like it would just be a total wipe. Yeah,
just no one, no nobody, everybody loses.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I did once know a person who was not related
to me or in my friend's circle or whatever. It
was like somebody else's somebody and they are such an
awful person to be around, such an awful person that
I was like, in my mind, I was like I
could poison that person. It would never get back to
me because I have no connection, and I know it

(55:43):
would be a solution for a lot of people's lives.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
But you know, that's the thing I think is you
can't have any ties.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
You can't have any ties, but you'll still have ties
because in this day and age, with the everything is traceable.
There's no perfect crime. You can't do it, and.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
DNA there's no I mean, there's no thing that doesn't
tie you back, even poison. It's like, well they can
trace why where people bought this poison. Yes, there's no way.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
There's no way, So don't kill people. Also, yeah, this
then in me, killing this person I think is so
terrible makes me worse than that person. Right, so right,
the end of thought process and stop it.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Don't get life insurance balls.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Stop it?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Charlotte asks if you had a chance to go back
and be involved in an investigation of any serial killer
or unsolved case, which one would it be and why?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Like, can we listen? I know you didn't write this
even but I want some clarity, Like from the beginning,
let's say, ooh uh, don't look at that paper. Tell
Stephen you're answering this from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
I'm going to say, yeah, you're hit the ground running.
You're like first call Well.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Jean Benet, I'd say Zodiac.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I just recently rewined and I talked about it, but
rewatched that movie at Sina Family. It's such a good movie.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
He's making a new serial killer movie right now.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yeah, what is it? Is it? The one about the
British guy? I don't know, someone told me about it,
and I got so excited. I think I wrote it
in my calendar.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
I think my friend Carlos, who like, we're We've been
friends for a long time, but as soon as I
started this, he found out about this podcast. He just
sends me shit all the time about like murder that
was great, and he sent me the trailer. I haven't
seen it, but we watched.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
It together, didn't we?

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I bet we did. Okay, so you're probably the person
I'm talking about when I say someone told me about it.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Oh, we gat.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I mean our worlds are just combining.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I think we saw each other every day last week.
We really did, like, not even just as like, and
I was probably wearing a new Vinchuance dress and every
single one, and I.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Was wearing my same meeting shirt everying.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Okay, that's a great one. Yeah, that's that's the hard
one because I feel like John Bay is easy, it's obvious,
but Zodiac is clues and shit.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Oh sorry, I met Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo. I just
would like to be around him doing some very honorable
and noble police work in the seventies of San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Let's see, I think we're winding down more.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I love talking about myself.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Uh, if you were an inmate on death row, Julia asks,
this is the same Julia is she can ask.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
That chicken chicken. I knew that was I fucking photos
I do too. Oh man. There was a girl, the
girl who got so drunk at one of our shows
that she vomited and crawled.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Out and crawled out.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Fucking who was lovely?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Just fists in the air to you.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Girl turned out to be a lovely girl. Had done
a dinner party of last meals, and I think she
like bought fourteen buckets of KFC, you know, like did
the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, serving that stuff up.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I mean, what would you do? Because I could go
eat KFC right now if I wanted to you, i'd
fucking hate myself.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
But sorry, are you saying you would do just full
only chicken, Oh gosh, no, or a full KFC like buffet.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, okay, which remember when we were driving to Philadelphia
and they had a KFC buffet restaurant.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Anyways, what would you what?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Let's see, I mean I guess it would. I would
have to do my what I call my quote unquote
special occasion food. So I eat constantly pretending that it's
my birthday all the time, which is like mac and cheese.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
From where it has to be a place. H's just
like a kind is there?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Like I guess, like shit, I'm trying to think of,
like where's a plate like a soul food restaurant mac
and cheese? Probably, I guess like us because fried chicken
soul food would like those baked beans that kind of stuff.
But also I was going to say mac and cheese

(01:00:12):
one of those soft pretzels with the cheese dip something
like that. Now my mouth's just watering.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I know, I'm hungry. I'm glad this is ending. What
was I oh, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Yeah, waffle chicken and waffles.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Well, oh, that was gonna say. We have a little
road trip this weekend on our tour, and there is
a white Castle, yes, as far as Vince is concerned
or says. And I've never been to an actual white
Castle restaurant. I need them frozen so many drunk times,
and I'm really excited to go to a real.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Hot out of the bag. We neither of us as
California girls, have ever had that experience ever of white
Castle out of the bag.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Hoping there's a waffle house, but I'm not sure if
there is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
But either way, we're going to get our white castle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
We're getting our white Castle's exciting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Lauren asks, just curious to know what your thoughts are
on making a murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I loved it. I watched it. I think that was
near the beginning of us of this podcast because I
watched it. I started it at seven o'clock at night
and stayed up all night and watched it through the
night and into the next morning. And then I remember
telling you about it after I did that, because I
just couldn't stop watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
It was It was an incredible, incredible show.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, with people who seemed like they were from Central
Casting of either inept or totally corrupt politician types. It
was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
And then I was I went to and you were
supposed to come to the Strand and Storm and Dring.
What was it Strand and Dean. Yeah, like they had
a Q and A or like a talkie times. Yes,
it was great. They're fucking badass motherfuckers. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
This question comes from City Life office.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Uh oh uh oh yours. They're serving us with our
papers through Stephen. You're under arrest.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
City Life office asks what does a day in the
life of Karen and Georgia look like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Tell me your you want to tell me your day
to day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
We get up out of our bunk beds. Georgie slips
into a vine in dress meeting dressed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Karen loses her mind because I'm in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
House panic even though it's in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I woke up late and went to therapy. Yeah right,
I screamed at a chair for the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Interesting in a role playing situation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Yeah, how to feel hard?

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
It was really hard, correct because it felt stupid, or
it was hard emotionally.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It felt stupid, but it was really hard emotionally. And
I fucking bald, which I don't do in therapy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, you got to get that stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It felt good. I have a ton of anger. I'm
just keeping inside of me.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Hello, and welcome to my world.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Have you ever done that? I never don't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I don't keep it inside me. No, because I don't
have a problem expressing anger or trying at all. I'm
right there on the edge at all times of any
emotion that you could name, willing to serve it up
with just a little bit of glaze on the top.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Because I get ready for screaming Georgia, because she.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Is at your new phase.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
She's coming up. Yeahs off ship, I get you, mom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
You dicked me over a back you up girl, You
guys screaming out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
My therapist was so happy, Like I could see she
was on the edge of her comfy sofa chair. Yeah,
and she was like honest, like cheering, and I was like, oh,
I'm doing this right. Finally, after two and a half
years of therapy, she broke you open. She broke me
up well, and just so you had by cregg, I
was then you got your stuff all over there, all

(01:03:51):
over that chair.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I was raised in a household of yellers and confronters always,
so to me it's not not only I mean, I
get upset when I know I when I know I'm
going to upset other people, or when other people are upset,
which then makes me need to get mad so that
you don't get out of your feelings. But I still

(01:04:14):
get to do my.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Thing preemptively, like shielding yourself from what's about not even
shielding yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Just like it's like parental for it, recoil, maybe whatever,
It just all becomes a thing. But like my dad
just saying that because in our family, my dad would
answer the phone yelling, so that when people would be like,
is Karen there, I'd be like, hold on a second,
and then I would pick up the phone, and almost
like eight out of ten times, my friends would go

(01:04:41):
are you in trouble? And I'd be like, no, what
are you talking about? Because the volume and the like
emotion level in our house was always at eight. So
you must have a lot of tension, yo, Yes, I
have more than my fair share of attention. And also
that kind of like being critic When you're criticiz all
the time or like teased all the time, then you

(01:05:02):
have a sensitivity that doesn't make sense. It'll come out
and it doesn't make sense to people when it's because
it's kind of like a lifelong raw nerve that if
it's like a very random one, and then if you
touch it, good night.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Xact, good night a fucking mosquito thing and there's malaria
and what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
You can get the malaria and the mosquito catches on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
It's exciting mine? Is that a timid nous? So I say,
you don't get a fucking see my anger. I'm gonna
put it inside me and get gastroine cas smell issues
because of my anger. Who's inside of me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah? Yeah, I think that's very common with women. Yeah,
because it's not certainly not feminine, considered typically feminine, or
in any way attractive to be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Well, when I got home from therapy, I had to
say to Vince, is it okay that I'm mad at you?
Like over this thing? Yeah? Like I couldn't even be
mad him. I had to make sure it was okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Well, it's very scary. There's a great book called The
Dance of Anger. Not to be totally weird.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Is a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Well, this is the book I read, And it's because
it's this amazing breakdown of how people who are angry
or use anger what they're actually doing, and because it's
very intimidating and it's very shocking a lot of times.
And if you, if you do it correctly, you can
really control people with your emotions to a point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Bonded that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, so you kind of it's just like that would
happen in my house. It is like if you had
a complaint, people would just yell you down with their
bigger complaint, or if if you were angry. They were
angry or about something else. So it's just like you
could never really have the floor because that was a
very threatening thing to have a problem with, like the system.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
It was like unjustified or your anger was compounded because
they wouldn't listen to it. Yes, it wasn't justify your
anger wasn't justified in someone else's eyes. Never.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
And also it was always I was the dramatic one.
So it's like, no matter what I was doing, I
was being over dramatic. Uh so yeah, that's insanely frustrating.
What's Oh, it's called the dance of anger, and it's
basically like when angry people shut you down, like it's
a it's the perfect way to get people to stop
doing whatever they're doing because you're intimidating them. But if

(01:07:21):
you can get through that and not be intimidated, you
can get that angry person actually break open, because there's
you paint yourself into a corner when you're like the
angry shower reactor and you don't ever get to learn
and grow and all this and and actually like communicate
what you really what the real problem is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Well you show me that too. Where it's like when
I've gotten angry with you. It's like, what's what's really
going on? And I want to be like nothing, you
fucked up. And then it's like, oh, well, I'm in
tim I feel sad and intimidated over this thing, and
I'm panicking and it's like, oh my god. It's really
scary to be vulnerable. It's hard that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Worked, and it's easier to be angry because that's the
first thing. It's just like the thing that shoots up. First,
you go with that, maybe double down on it, and
then you're free and clear because everyone backs away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah. But then for me, and it's even harder than
at that point to come back and be like, well, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
You can't. There's no I mean talk about like rigidity
and like you really have to. Then it's like it's
like ninety stand up comedy where all we did was
go like that person sucks, that person sucks, and then
suddenly you're like, well then everyone's my enemy, Like yeah,
doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
It doesn't Everyone's just trying why do they suck? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
And also really, because what you're saying is I suck.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yeah. Crying today was really helpful and I'm really excited
to go in my closet and put a chair in
the corner and scream at it. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
That's good to be great. That's you've got your like
your elbows deep in the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
This is the first time she's been like, here we go.
And I'm like, why have I been paying you for
the past two years when you're just gonna tell me
to scream it and fucking cry because it takes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
That's the thing about therapy, Like I remember in like
year seven with my therapist going ooh, I feel like
we just chipped something off, and she's like, that's right,
Like we're just chipping away a calcified wall of bad
ideas that we're pretty soon we're going to get to
a door, and then I'm gonna be too scared to
open that door.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
What was so funny to me is last week you
and I were having dinner at a place and then
I was like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go to
what every other week with my therapist. I think I'm
good right now. And then later I was like, yeah,
my therapist said to me that next week we're gonna
get into the deep mom stuff. And you were like,
so you're gonna go see her every other week.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
It was like so obvious. I was like, I can't
deal with that. I'm gonna go not see her anymore.
And that maybe, like maybe don't not go see her
every other thing, Maybe you really fucking need to get
into the shit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Sorry, I caught you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I caught your king cock blocked me so hard. I'm
not seeing my therapist. Thank you, thank you, I'm welcome.
It's really great today.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
You're welcome. I'm glad. That makes me very happy to hear. Yeah,
that's good. So those are that's basically how our days go. Yeah,
if that's not what we're doing is what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Therapy is life, man, really?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
And also what I told Georgia at one point I
can't remember, we got into a fight about some dumb thing,
and then after when we had great talk about it.
That's the thing I love the most is that we
always have the best talks, we get further along. It
makes me so happy. Sure, and it makes me happy
to be friends with you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Thank you me too. But growing and learning we really are.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
And I told Georgia, I go right at this point,
I feel like I'm being paid to maintain a good
relationship with you, Like that's all we have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
That's what this podcast is is making sure that. But
if like nobody listens and it was just our therapists
feeding into like they were all the Twitter people and
they were all the like people buying tickets to the
shows and just giving them away for freezing, like they're
learning so much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Finally, what great therapists they're really dedicated to us totally
would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
What we're to hope you were going to say that
we're being paid to Oh no, just that joke of
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
That's and also my therapist actually said that to me.
She's like, if you can make this relationship with Georgia work,
you can make any relationship work, which is of course,
after you get a divorce you become convinced that you
just simply can't do it, and so why try and
why uh why like why go back to you know,
a ground zero type situation and be like, oh, I

(01:11:17):
guess I'll do this again up again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Eight months or in five years it'll fucking implode. Yeah, Nope,
it could actually work with the right temperament.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
And the it's like a resilience equality of resilience and
equality of being willing to say I made a mistake.
Can we fix it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, you know what, We're all human.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Even kept putting the microphone when he thought it was over,
and then we just kept going.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Can I interrupt you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Please stop keep see it was like I wasn't. Can
you guys stop not recording?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
You've got so many more questions?

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Should we and on that and play Jesse is a murder?
Or is there a really good one that you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Want to know?

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
There's one good one to end with?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Okay, okay?

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
And then one note because people were asking what my
favorite murder was, and it's Selena from episode thirty two.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
It's right favor because you remember it as a child.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
Yeah, it had it had that same kind of impact
when when people talk about that thing where you saw
on the TV or and you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Grew up in a Mexican American family exactly, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
And so you it's just something you talked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
About all the time, so well and so shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yes, it's so I think about that one a lot too,
where it's just so unnecessary and so tragic that and
so surprising the way it happened. It wasn't a you know,
a male, rabid male fan. It was just this insanely
mentally ill woman And it's so unnecessary and sad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Yeah, And at that point of the double tragedy, or
the extended tragedy of that, she was just about to
potentially cross over and kind of become this I know,
a symbol Latin American or whatever, Mexican American star. That
was like suddenly, it's like these are here's another kind

(01:13:08):
of music that you can get into and listen to
and hear. Like she was just she was basically on
that train of everybody knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Her wonderful person to Sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Stephen, So this is this question. I had to print
out the email for it because it's sort of a
hometown as well. The headline is, would you marry a
serial killer's son? Hello, Karen, Georgia, Stephen and fir Babies

(01:13:38):
love the podcast. You hold a special place in my heart.
I'm really curious to know what each of you would
do in this situation. A relative of mine met the
love of her life, and after a whirlwind of romance,
he sat her down for a serious chat. He said
that he would love to have a future with her,
but before they went any further, she needed to know
that his father was in jail for killing and dismembering
a large number of sex workers. Oh no, my relative

(01:14:01):
decided to stay with her man and they are now
married with children. I guess the next thing to do
is decide when to tell her children about their grandfather
before they can discover it online for themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
If they choose, what would you do, Oh, well, I
would definitely continue a relationship with that person. They're not
responsible for their father's actions. And the fact that they
they understood the severity of it enough to sit them
before it was very you know, before they were in

(01:14:33):
deep let them know, because understanding that that's a choice
someone would make, that's very mature. Well, also, we never
hold that against someone.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Yeah, I would never hold that against anybody. And it's
that they're actually a victim as well. It's not if
there's anything. It would just be like how difficult that
would be for a person. It would almost I feel
like I would like to think I would have even
more empathy for that person because they had gone through
such a serious life challenge and their relationship and I

(01:15:03):
mean everything about that would be so hard for that person.
I would just feel such deep sadness and empathy for
them that it would almost be the opposite of like
I wouldn't break up with them never.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And as for the kids, I feel like he slowly introduced, like,
you know, as they understand what grandma's and grandpas are
and what about dad's dad, where's dad's you know, you
say he did a very bad thing and he's in jail,
he's in prison forever for it, or you know, and
you slowly let them know, you know what, I really
give more information to them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Yeah, because I realized this, And it's weird that I've
never said this before, and I in no way was
holding it back. I just kind of mentally like rediscovered
it recently. But my mother's father died when she was
twenty one, so I never knew him. But I found
out when I was a full grown adult, I think

(01:15:55):
probably in my late twenties. My dad told me he
was stabbed to death in a bar fight.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Holy shit, and that's how he died.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
That's how he died. But we were always told he
died of a heart attack. Oh and so it wasn't
till much much later, and I didn't like I didn't
know anything about it, but I only recently realized where
I'm like, oh, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
It's not that funny when it's your own thing, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
It's my own thing. But I also don't. I have
no connection to it except to know, like my mother
never spoke about it, and she never like for the
story she kind of put out there was like he
just died of heart attack, like, don't worry about it,
and she didn't like him because he was a really
bad alcoholic and he had you know, he was he
had a lot of problems. Wow, So it was almost

(01:16:39):
just like that's the side of the family you don't
talk about as much. May I know it's not weird.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
I don't know if it's my story to tell, but
I'll just say that Vince's grandfather he never met, who
was a police officer who died in the line of duty,
and so the grandfather he grew up with was his
step grandfather. And it's just this like they didn't talk
about it either.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Yeah. I feel like more people than you would know,
Like if you ask people like about the tragedies and
their family, you'd be shocked how many have humongous ones
that they just simply don't discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Because they've grown up with it as a secret or
as a thing, and nobody will discuss it with them,
or them wanting to know more about it is they're
they're a bad person for wanting to know more about it.
They're opening wounds, or they're.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Yeah, like it's it's very it's too sensitive, or it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
That's a good question. Yeah, yep, help.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Good luck with that everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
That was it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Yep, that's the Q and A.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Wow, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah, I like, let's just change the podcast and that's
questions for us. You guys, thanks for sending four hundred questions.
Oh my god in such a short time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
We'll do it again sometime and get for sure get otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Stephen, thank you for going through all of those.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yeah, there are a lot of weird ones.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
No, I mean, yeah, these are some great questions that
I liked.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Thank you. Good job. Those were really good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, those were really good.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
We have a quick hometown that I this is a murder.
I've always I saw this one years ago on like
a dateline or some stuff that I couldn't do because
it was kind of one of those small ones. But
then I found out and I met Vince that Vince
is one of Vince's best friends. Jesse Pop was directly
connected to this murder.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah, And so Jesse Pop fucking hilarious comedian. He just
came out with his new album called I'm the Best,
which is so funny. If you know Jesse Pop, that
that's it's just so hilarious. Him in a RoboCop costume.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
That he actually really wore to a Halloween party.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Yeah, bar, but he's like got a solo coup and
he's drunk because he's just such a funny person. And
I watched the live taping of this comedy album, and
my fucking got He's one of the best joke writers
I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
He's among the comedy community. He's known as one of
the best stand ups there is. Yeah, so it's an
album worth buying.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yes, for sure, I'm the Best. It's on iTunes and
all the places you buy stuff. And so here is
Jesse Pop's hometown. Wait a, let me speaker.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Okay, all right, this is my hometown murder. About six
seven years ago, I was living in New York and
I ran out of money, so I went back home
to Michigan through you got a job at the Locals
apple orchard there, and I was just kind of like,
you know, write a tractor, you know, doing shit you

(01:19:42):
could do, and you know how a farm. But dude
is one kid there and I talked to him a
few times and he kind of I mean, he wasn't.
He just struck me as a little squirrely. Nothing's too crazy.
And then I asked a few people how to be
just like shooting a ship is like so side of
this kid there, guy, he's nice in all this and

(01:20:02):
it didn't really stick in my mind. And then you know,
I saved up some money, went back to New York.
And then a year later, this kid got arrested for
murdering his mom. Thought, oh, that's well crazy, And then
turns out what was going on is she the mom
was schizophrenic and bipolar and also very very religious and

(01:20:24):
wasn't taking her medicine because she thought it was sorcery.
And she had gotten so start gone she was like
stashing knives in her head toward it, but like tracking
devices in her bloodstream and all this, and also the
dad had started stepping out and there's also, like a
little before the murder, she had been arrested for strangling

(01:20:44):
this kid because he was trying to get her to
take her medicine. And then also he had a younger
sister who the mom was homeschooling still for some reasons.
So there was locking down, and even all the news
they'd be like, you know, the perfect family, which is
not what was going on. Anyway. It was a very
briskly scene. I guess where there no one broke in

(01:21:05):
those signs of force, and certainly think someone took it
two by four and basically bashed her head opened a
bunch of times, and then took a knife and stabber
in the throat a bunch of times. There's blood and stuff.
And this kid said that he had been to elb
was that he had been planning bushes for a neighbor lady,

(01:21:26):
which turned out not to be true, and then he
punched into work and his hands were all fucked up,
and he told people this for moving palace, which moving
palace doesn't really get your hands away. That his work.
So he got arrested and he convicted because you know,
people were spending him and saying there's no way he

(01:21:46):
did it. Could be so nice. But he got arrested
and he's going to do at least I think twenty
or thirty years or something. And I that's if you
medice and don't kill your mom.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Thanks, that's exactly right, Jesse, your medicine and don't kill
your mom please. The other thing he didn't mention in
that the apple orchard was his sister, Jesse's sister's apple orchard.
Oh wow, Yeah, And I've been there Spicer's and I
had a fucking apple cider donut in Michigan. Oh my god,
the bass. This took me there in Michigan and it
was amazing. So in time, I know, did you ever

(01:22:26):
see the like twenty twenty or forty eight hours about
that one?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
This story sounds familiar, But as I was listening to
him tell it, I was like, is it familiar?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Because he told it to me because sometimes he'll wear
the Spicer's Apple Orchard T shirt. Yeah, Like, what is
is it? Is he an ironic hip story? He's like, no,
I used to fucking work here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
That was a great way to end a really fun question.
Now wow, next, uh, Minnesota hometown murder. I'll play my
uncle's Oh yeah, they are in gas situation.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Amazing, I know, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Thanks Jesse that Jesse Pop Bye. His album I'm the Best,
I'm the Best. Vince April, my husband put it out
on his record label. What's his record label called, It's
called Capsule Records. What if I fucking didn't know? I know,
I was like, oh no, emotion of like think of
the sure cut this well, that was awesome. Thank you

(01:23:23):
Steven for that doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Yeah, and thank you guys for sending in those questions.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
It's so much fun. Stay sexy and don't get murdered.
Bye bye, Elvis. You're sitting right here. Do you want
to cook?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
You right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
He poked his head into the microphone up like a
voiceover actor, and me out into the microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
You're the best. Good job, Bubby Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Hilarious. Time to shine

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
All