80 - Live At The Rams Head Live

This week’s My Favorite Murder comes to you live from the Rams Head Live. On stage, Karen and Georgia cover the killers Joe Palczynski and Joseph Kallinger.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:37):
They're everywhere. Let me do it, Let me do it.
What's up, Baltimore? I almost forgot.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
You have to do it in your real voice? Then,
know my real voice is you can do it.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
What's up, Baltimore? There she is.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't know that scares me about it?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
You guys are up in that.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We are the part of the Rhythm Nation Janet Jackson section.
That's rab's this is fucking MTV's the grind. Am I
right sure?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
They filmed it? Yeah, this is a this is it?
This is it? Oh, thank you so much. Whenever the
bar is.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
This close to the stage, it's always a fun show.
So we're excited.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You're hi. This is my favorite murder. That's Karen. I'm Georgia.
Hi got out. I think it. I'm a year older. Yeah,
I much was. Or thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Someone already said it.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's too late.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Your moment's over.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
They already had it.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
We have a special bond. You're merely redundant.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm so much wise, now, wouldn't you say? Georgia? Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
On the way over, on the drive here from DC,
I was like Jesus, she's so much smarter.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, wis she.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Just kept giving Vincent my marriage advice and we were
like better when we got here, right, yeah, right, yeah,
we were about to divorce. And then Karen was like
boom boom bop, laid it down.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Do do do do do that? And we're like, all right,
do you want to see the thing that I was doing?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Because we had to travel on my actual birthday. So
then when we got out of the car in front
of the hotel we were in DC yesterday, I get
out of the car and just for Georgia, I just
went up there and went, I'm forty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's as h as I can kick my leg.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I had to kind of go back a little bit
to get it up at all.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I was waiting for you to fuck it.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I once when I was like kid, was like kick
and there was no room, but I fuck landed on
my house.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It was so embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
And then when I got on the plane, I found
Karen Sea and I went over to you. I think
the woman was sitting there next to you already, and
I did a fucking like I.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Just do it? Do the full dance?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What do full dance of what you did?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Okay? I just started going, well you sang?

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Did I say happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well the very I'm positive she was a multi millionaire,
middle aged Asian woman that.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Was sitting next to me. It was just like then
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Sorry, and I just kept apologizing a part pass gifts
across her.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I mean I had practiced that for months. It was
really good.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
You could take you, You could tell that you had
stretched and you had choreographed.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
I'm a good dancer.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You're afraid to bust one out and on a plane,
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
No, because I look like a child going to rehab.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yes, on an airplane. I did. Actually, I thank you.
I have no kooth on a plane. Let's see what else?
What are you gonna do? What else can I tell
you about? Hotel room? Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
You love your hotel room? Test with that? What it's like,
you're just listing all things we've done.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
We walked down that hallway, went ahead and gotten the elevator.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
That was good. Oh look, we walk we walked these out.
Did you see is that you? Oh? Good? Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Just some one who also had a mug was like
me too.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I love mugs.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, I guess since says fuck politeness on the front
of it that.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Uh this, we got these gifts backstage, and as you know,
we love presents from people.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
This is from Anne.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Margaret ceramics, and Margaret after also makes ceramics. I don't
she doesn't want to come bors.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
This is embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
She's like, I'm sorry, I had an affair with Paul Newman.
I can't be out in public right now. I am
and Margaret and Margaret and Margaret this old girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Uh huh, oh, well you know everything. I'm not night
with me in Baltimore. I do not start a fight.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That the ram said in Baltimore, I was legitimate, you
know everything. It was more like, you know, well, do
you know everything? You have to put your hands way
up high if you mean it positively.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I didn't shave.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh yeah, So Baltimore, you guys have a fucking ton
of murders.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
You guys, you guys.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
There's that applause for murder that the bartenders are like,
what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Arel what these fucking people.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
They're going to their church group tomorrow all pissed. I
actually told Georgia two in the car on the way
over that I'm not doing because I was like, I'm
not doing these I have to tell you really that,
because this is fucking insane. One of them I wanted
to do, even though I'm most positive it's a lie
and probably like a creepy pasta, but it's so good
that I was like, maybe I'll just do it anyway

(06:06):
and not say anything, just add shit to it.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, just passing lawn.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
It was essentially the plot of Dexter, but here in Baltimore.
So it's like if if Dexter came onto the wire.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
And there was one article about it, it was like,
here it is.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
One reporter caught.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
It, yeah, and then the other one was horrifying too.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah. It was fun. And then I told you one
that I didn't do too. Yes, that's right.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
We just you guys had so many. We were like,
and they all were so horrifying, and we realized it.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Sound like it was the longest uber ride ever. We
really wasn't that far. We time to tell kinds of stories.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
We did, and we haven't found a white Castle yet,
but we found in Arbi's and that was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Since like, yeah, he was driving, so it was his pick.
He was, Oh, everyone give it up for Stephen right now.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, thank you. He's not here. He's not here. Sorry,
we're not trying to trick you.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
He's gonna listen to this tonight after the show.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
He listens every show. It's pretty fuck and sweet.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, he was watching my cats, which is so great.
And he sends me all these photos and the videos
and I can you know.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
How you know your cat's expressions and like what it means?
And I was like, they are so annoyed with him.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
He doesn't know it. But he was just like me,
me me me, me, me, me, me me me, And
she was just like no, like, can you fucking leave
me alone? And so I was like worried that my dad,
who doesn't like cats, is staying now the rest of
the weekend. And then I'm like, oh, they're going to
be so glad that this guy just leaves them alone
the weekend. So I mean when when.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
What if we go back and Stephen just has an
eye patch and he doesn't really say.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Anything about it. Oh no, I like it like this.
I don't even like my right eye. It's fine. Nigi
was right.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
You couldn't have an eyepatch and a mustache, or I
guess you can't.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I guess you can. Yeah, you have to have a
mustache with an eye patch.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, and then you get a poet shirt and you're
a pirate and everything's fucking rad.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yes, it's cool. Yeah. Should we sit down?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
No, No, you haven't decide you have to show everybody
your dress.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Oh yeah, I always forget this.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
What's it called again, sophisticated something?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
We checked the tag in her dress last night.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
If we think it's calling for a sophisticated miss, yeah,
is the brand of that dress.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's a commercial at that.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yaystic this season, the sophisticated miss is going to talk
about murders.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh, it's the perfect dress, thank you, and then you
oh this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now that I'm one year older, I like to wear
things that are shapeless and all. I actually this was
truly the dress that I like. Went into a store
and I was like and then ran away to put
it on. I was like, man, this is not doing
me any favors. But whatever, we have to go on
the road. But I was going to buy a dress

(09:15):
at Nords Drums the day before we left, purely because
it had pockets, Like that's the only.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Reason I wanted to buy it.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
But I was looking at it and it had. It
was like black, but it had like this weird high neck.
It was almost like a monk turtleneck dress, like a
Puritan flap over the side.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like, I will look like an evil dentist
if I wear this dress. I can't. Why don't I
get to have anything? However, pockets puckets.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I went to a vinteg shop today in your town,
which is like my fucking thing. When I get into town,
I'm like vintage shop and yelp, and there was one
not far so we walked over and I bought something
only because I felt bad for.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
The owner, for the store, not for the store. It
was fine, but it just wasn't my style.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
But the owner was like, so you know the kind
of like this does look good on you, and you
like pick up one thing and look at it like
you like seventies and she was just like so earnest
and like and like meant it.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
So I bought like two things.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
I spent a lot of money all the time good
and I have a very full closet.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Because because you're pity people, Yeah, what a dick?

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Do you have anything for a sophisticatedness?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
But I bought a new house dress, so we're all good.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Oh nice, it was good, flowy as shit, don't let me,
don't let me catch you and I know, let's see
what else?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Very bunny, that's been our show. Oh someone brought me
a happy birthday balloons last night.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, none of you did. So they were in stage
with us.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, we brought them on stage, which the Union Theater
stage hands did not lie. They were just like what
if they get away?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And they're just like wow.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
And then when Vin's bread out the birthday donut candle situation, yeah,
they were like, well, we'll follow you out the fire extinguisher.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
There's one candle. I'm not fucking making this up.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, bucking Union pride, everybody, we fucking break the Union, like.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
We're just flyer. We talking on you.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
We really shouldn't wait, not at this in this day
and age.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
No, should not be fuck out ingion.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I feel like there was one other thing, but then
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
So I guess we should sit down, let's do it,
Let's do it. Yeah, thank you. I feel like this
like this, yeah on it. Oh.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I got a text today from you know, the A
C l U being like, oh Tuesday California has this
voter thing. Don't vote for the things because it's shitty,
and it's like it's like fake so the cops won't
face any you know what is it called charges?

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Charges for anything? Don't but don't vote for it. And
I wrote back like okay, and then I wrote, uh.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Fight the power and the guy wrote me back and
he's like all right, like had a little fit like
and I was like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's like a real person. That's modern day activism. Just
email your passion around to strangers.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Is this serious?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Going straight to the lapd and they're putting your name
in a file? Who's trying to fight the power?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Did you? Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
This is my rocky towel for when we're done.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I could wrap it around my neck throw it. Huh.
I don't know what to do with it. I'm forty seven,
handy thunking birthday. That was it? Hendy fucking birthday? Okay,
this is what it's going to be like the whole time.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I'm not sure if you know that anyone doesn't?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, is anyone unsure of how this goes?

Speaker 1 (12:56):
You are? So are we?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I feel like these poor people that were here are
like they're on like a Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, you know it's weird. They paid five hundred dollars
a seat over there. How would you do that?

Speaker 3 (13:09):
It's like a Universal Studios ride where you get put in.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I know, are you guys cordoned off? Are those the
punk rock people that just go fucking nuts? Oh?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
They're just like, let's let's sit here and only tell
them the story.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Wouldn't that be? Sorry? Sorry everyone else?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Sorry the Rhythm Nation, get it together?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
And other times.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
D D d D.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I'm trying not to look at this, so I don't
know who your murder murder is even like.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
No, you don't care, but I care. Just don't look
at it. Then I'm trying, but I'm so nosy. There
you go? Are you go first? I think I'm first?
Your first? Yesterday? Yes, that's right, that's right, Hi guys, all.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Right, fucking Baltimore, Jesus more. I know it's body More
and I was like, that's so clumsy. And then I
saw body More murder Land today and I was.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Like, yeah, that is better murder Land.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
It all came together for you. Yeah, it was like
that's the murder Land part.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, yeah, okay, this is the killing spree of Joe Pelazinski.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Oh yeah, oh you never know.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, how everyone's gonna you know this one? Did you
see this one?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
I saw it a little bow, but I don't go
into it. Don't be disappointed. I'm going to be an
active listener.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Okay, So Joe Pelazinski born too? What why are you
laughing at me? November eleventh, sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
I have an eye patch now, ow I literally pluck
your eyebrow.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Eyeball? Are your eyebrow out? My eyebrow?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You can take the eyeball, not the eyebrow.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
You'll look weird without an eyebrow, so I can always
get an eyeball. Back to the murder.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Oh, the eyeball killer guy was at our.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Show last night, so sorry, would you say the eyebell?
The eyeball killer.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
The policeman that saw the eyeball killer murder was at
our show in DC last night, and he hated us.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
No, he was there to yell at us.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I was so scared that, like, I was like, what
did I say in that episode.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
About the cops in the eyeball Killer? And I was like, shit,
why is he here?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
And then I'm scared and then his like stepdaughter came and.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I'm like, is he mad at me? She's like, oh,
I love you guys.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
And I was like, Oh, we have to go city
by city and find out if people are mad at us.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
That's that's part of what the tour is. Yeah, is
he here because he's angry? Or is he here.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Because he's just standing in the lobby with his arms crossed?

Speaker 1 (15:47):
You know, there's nothing we can.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
Do, all right, So Joe Pelzowski total fucking dick. Over
a span of thirteen years, he learned at least seven
very young women teens into a fan to see a relationship.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I hate those. It's not like a fantasy suite like
in Bachelor. It's a really who It's like a fantasy suite.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
But over a span of eight months, which is like, oh,
can we just go get coffee, each discovered the truth
of him and his dangerously controlling personality. His mom, of course,
Pam doted on him, treated him like royalty.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
What you said, of course, Pam was like, you work
with Pam and you're sick of her shit?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Coarse Pam. You know Pam how.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
She is with the files, Well, she's the same way
with her son.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Dotes on him she's like a man child. His dad
commits suicide when he's younger, and his sister dies in
a car accident, and he says, at that point he's
just stopped fucking caring about life.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Done.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Amy was fifteen when she met. His nickname was Jobi
el I know, so I'm gonna call him Joe now, Okay, okay,
because I don't want to say that we're going anymore,
and I don't fucking.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
That to hear.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm fucking whining. It's my fucking podcast, yours. Sorry. There's
this caffeine in here, like she's drinking liquid cocaine.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Everybody, it's fun, mom, Okay, she's fifteen, he's eighteen. He
told her he has two personalities Joe. Number one is
calm and rational. Number two is angry and strange. You
know someone it's like so goth to say, I'm.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I'm strange as he's putting on blacklipliner or like I
got it. You're also it's just a it's a red flag.
If your boyfriend is like, there's two of me, you'd
be like, you know what, I have to go home.
I'm so sorry. That's what forty seven year olds say.
Fifteen year olds are like, oh, oh my god, there's

(17:48):
is there more I'm in at the cue.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Uh, we're making fun of it, but it's fucking true.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's fine. So he kept guns under his.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Bed and in his car, okay, and once he held
a knife to Amy's throat, beat her multiple times, including
when instances when the police and other witnesses were like, Hey,
what the fuck's going on here, and he'd be like, no,
we're fine, we're good, and he and they would let
him walk away with this woman. He was beating the
shit out a child. She suffered a lot of fucking

(18:22):
contusions and lacerations, couldn't hear for months because out of
one ear.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
He was very abusive.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
She didn't want to press charges, and because she's fifteen
and yeah, that's your thing. But her mom was like, oh, hell,
fucking no, you know what I mean, because she was
probably forty seven, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
She's the opposite of Pam. He doesn't stand for shit.
She works in human resources and she does not.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, her mother later recalls. Amy's mother later recalls getting
a phone call from Pam, who's like in this as
a pattern she comes up with is begging not to
press charges against her son.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
I'm so sorry. He's gonna get help. He just needsda
and he's had a hard childhood. And Amy's mom is like,
go fuck yourself again, and she said that you're gonna
He's gonna kill somebody someday. Yeah, he pleads Knox.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Called foreshadowing brings. But he never did. No, he never
killed anyone. What Yeah, this is a story about somebody else.
Oh shit, Oh this is for.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
My other podcast. He pleads not guilty by reason of insanity.
A psychiatrist found some competent to stand trial, and he's
sentenced to four years in prison.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And hagar'stown Haggerston, Hagerstown.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It doesn't sound like any he doesn't do that.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I know. Okay, got it. We're a little hurt from
last night in DC. We got it.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
We have a lot of those names are hard, and
I just think every name was different than how he
was spelled, and it was like.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Three times as many as you. And they're already yelling
the same yeah thing. But this is intimate.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
He serves two years, including time for an attempt to escape.
He's getting counseling. He's described as having deliberately dangerous situations,
fantasies consistent with his identity that he thinks as like.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
A rambo hero.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
He thinks he is, and when he would like have
girls page him, he'd say like or he'd page girls,
he'd be like, you know it's me when I paid
you double o seven.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Oh, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I hope he gets sued for that. Sorry, that's copyright infringement.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
You're not allowed to know what year was this, So
this is all around the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I wanted it to be now page loser as a pager.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Look, you can page me, yeah, just do a double zeven.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
So when he's twenty two, he's released from jail in
April ninety one. He no longer faces prosecution for beating
another x years before because the judge just dismissed the
trial because he couldn't it wasn't fair because he couldn't
get a speedy trial because he was in prison that
whole time. So they were like, you don't get it,
you're not You're been gone too long, so we're.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Not going to charge you for you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm not saying it's one of our rights speedy trials.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, but I don't know if that's the right how
we use it? Okay, I know idea.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
He goes to date other teenagers, charms all of them.
He's he's like, he's hot in the like you know
that type seven way. Yeah, he's hot, and well we
have a photo of him. But okay, we have a photo.
Can we put up the I think it's noodles? Is
the guy who's doing our So that's him?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Oh can you see it? You see on knots landing.
That filter is amazing. Can we do the next one?
That's the kind of filter I want to start using.
Can we do the one? Yeah? All right, so this
is him? Oh shit, wait, took that down? Don't look
at that? Is that job? Yeah? Three four and five

(22:11):
that's what he did. Okay, No, we haven't gotten married,
yetta got it. I like him in a hat though,
So like that guy. You know, that guy drives a.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Mustang, has muscle, has a pager, has a pager, got it.
Probably wears like you know, the denim washed lightwashed jeans.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Careful, Oh, but in the nineties, so it's not ironic.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Uh, charms the shit out of them, and then he
goes and then then he goes on to physically and
sectually attack them for various infractions. He gave one girl
a black eye and threatened her with a razor blade
because he found birth control pills in her bedroom and
was like, you can't fucking take these, like super controlling, abusive, typical,
and he's trying to get her pregnant.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I don't. Yeah, He's like you can, you know, he's
just controlling in a.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Way, and wow, yeah, fuck, it's really like classic abusive.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Classic jobie.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
So he attacks her at school and threatens to blow
her brains out.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
But he also threatens multiple.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Girls that he's going to kill their family and leave
them alive to suffer. So he thinks that he can
make a girlfriend come back to him or drop charges
if she's terrified. What would happen if he didn't. So
just fucking intimidating these girls and their families, you know,
the good kind of love, a solid battery. Let's see

(23:37):
standoff in ninety two that lasted sixteen hours with the
cops and then.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
What like he's just you know, going around, He's.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Just doing his thing. Now do you know what the
standoff was for?

Speaker 4 (23:51):
He got out of like jail again and then went
and like assaulted a sixteen year old thirteen year old girl,
and I think they like came after him and then
extradited him back here.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, suh oh, let's see here.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
He had a rifle and a magnum handgun, and he
played a Russian roulette, which everyone knows is the tough
guy move. That's the toughest thing you can do. And
he'd just constantly go to court after he would beat
up a girl, and he got more and more afraid
of returning to jail, and he started thinking that he
would do whatever it took to force his victims to

(24:28):
drop their charges. So he's getting desperate because he's getting
close to having to spend a long time in jail.
And so he's twenty seven when he starts dating Michelle
Michaela who's seventeen.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
It looks like Michelle Michelle who was seven. He's seven,
she's seventeen, he's twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
He chokes her and slams her head against shywer tiles
on Christmas Day in ninety five, and.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Let's see Heed.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Throw her off the balcony fucking Christmas. Yeah, he sent
one of his girlfriend's father to the hospital because he
was like stop dating my fourteen year old daughter, you're thirty,
And he was like I won't and she was like,
I won't stop dating him. He goes to the hospital
with four broken ribs and a split lip requiring stitches

(25:18):
when the father tried to intervene with the relationship. Then
he's diagnosed with schizophrenia paranoid type and concluded that he
met the criteria of legal insanity at that point. So
he's found not guilty on federal weapons charges after this
whole ordeal because he played insanity. Yeah, I don't think
he was schizophrenic at all. Like from everything you read

(25:39):
about him, he sounds like he was like tricking the
system and being like I'm crazy and like years and
years of it.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Although he did think he was James Bam all right.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So soon he has a new sports car, he's out
of prison, a Maza RX seven, and he's romancing a
young woman.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
He meets where every.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Good relationship starts at the checkout line at a Super Fresh.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Sometimes when people ask me how Vincent I met, I
lie and tell them that's where it was.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I really wanted to be that.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
You're like, we're in line, it's Super Fresh and I
saw his pager.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
And I was like, I have to talk to this guy.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
And then one went out and I saw his car
he was driving. I was like, ap, so fucking lately, Yes,
we're dating?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Are at seven? What is yeah? Mazda jail nineteen times? Hello? Yes, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
But then he's saying to the girls like, you know,
yes I was in prison, and yes these things happened.
But my ex girlfriend, she she manipulated me. She lied
about me beating her up, she lied I cheated on her,
and so she got pissed at me and made all
these you know, none of it was real.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
And the girls were all.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Like, oh my god, I'm going to help him. He's right,
and like the fucking did everything for him. But they
were all under eighteen except Tracy Whitehead is twenty, so
that's who he meets in line. So Tracy is still
fighting an addiction to heroin when she meets, and she's
also working to get her kid back, who she had
at fifteen, and is staying with her parents while she's

(27:07):
kicking heroin. But before long, with Joe's charming help, she'd
been drug.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Free for a year and he would.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Take them on outings and you know, just seemed like
a good guy who like wanted to marry her, and
they moved in together. But sometimes he would split, he
would spit on her, douse her.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm sorry, could we pause for a second, what occasion
like wou do you wait till Christmas came around again?

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Or I mean I gleek on ben? Sometimes an accident,
not on purpose.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I get excited when I tell stories and said stuff.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah spittle yeah, but not like that.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
No, no spin on her dawasa Risota give her a
black eye and a split lip. And once when she
had slipped back into drugs, he knocked her unconscious, which
is a great tactic for getting someone off drugs. Yeah,
a few times he threatened that if she left him,
he would kill her whole family, leave her alive to suffer.
So she had just been promoted, like she's getting her

(28:05):
life back together. She just promoted to assistant manager at
her job. And she'd been drug free for a year
and a half, which Joe took all the credit for sure,
and she could finally afford to live on her own,
and she knew she had to lead this abusive race relationship,
so she saved up some money found an apartment, was
ready to move in and leave him.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
But the apartment wouldn't be ready for a week.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Oh jesus, it's like, this is exactly what they littalize.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
This is like the plot of it. Oh, is it
kind of.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
No?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
I mean there's one, there's one, yes, yes. So she
has him arrested for beating her at one point, and
another assault conviction would violate his probation and send him
to jail for twenty ten years, and he felt he
had nothing left to lose at that point. Yeah, that's
never a good feeling, she secretly. So she found her

(28:57):
new place and she couldn't move in. So we're really sweet.
Manager fift year old Gloria Shank, who had also been
in a bad relationship in the past, was like, come
stay with myself and my husband will take care of you.
Shouldn't stay there, So her husband, George, they are in
the community of Bowlie's.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Quarter near Middle River. Oh she said it right.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, three people lived there here, it's a gorgeous little place.
When he went to then, okay, so she's staying with them,
and it's George and Gloria, which actually I was almost
named Gloria and or George was gonna be my which
is so creepy.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Right, Yeah, that's insane, I guess. So they're all at home,
the three of them.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
They're watching Texas Walker Texas Ranger.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Why is that the saddest part of it?

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I know, I was editing this and I was like,
leave that in for Karen, like I knew you'd want
to hear it.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Joe breaks into the house. There's an unlocked backs door.
Lock your fucking door.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
He he gets.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
In the house and he has his gun, and he
has two guns, and he says that demands Tracy to
come with him, and she panics and freezes and like
drops to the ground. And then hears a shot and
looks up and he had shot Gloria. Oh, then he
shoots George. He killed them both, no way, Yeah, And
then he begins his killing spree. He drags her barefoot

(30:27):
by the hair into the night. She's screaming. Their neighbor,
David Myers forty two, tries to stop them, and he's
shot and killed two. He shoves her into his mother's
van and drives off, takes her to the woods, holds
a gun to the back of her head and threatens
to kill her. She begs him to let her live
long enough to tell her son she loved him, but

(30:50):
instead he describes what he's going to do to her,
including blow away her arms and legs and keep her alive,
like make her live in a wheelchair for the rest
of her life. Like what the fuck man, he's fucked up,
fucking fuck abusive. He continues to beat her until they
find a camper they go to sleep in the morning.

(31:11):
When they wake up, his anger's gone. It was like
he was one of those people that, like the next
minute he could be like, can I make you dinner?

Speaker 1 (31:17):
You know what I mean? I didn't make that up.
That was really in it. And so he's not mad anymore.
He wakes up.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
He makes a little bed under a tree and and
she's like, let's pray and ask God to forgive you
for what you've done. And he promises. He prays and
he starts crying, and he said, I brought a ring.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I want to propose to you, joby not now. I mean,
I know it's a nerve wracking time. That's a scary thing.
Oh that's fuck.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Oh I mean to promost to someone. Maybe he just
you know, he's nervous.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
She's just staring at him, like are you are you looking?
I told you I wanted to do this at the pier.
We were gonna do it at Line and at the
Super Fresh.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
It's called shit, that's okay. Wow, I mean so I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
That means that the ring was like in his pocket.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
The whole fucking time, like that was his plan.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
And he was like, I know, this is a bad time, really,
And then he gave her a necklace with a golden
baby ring on it and that he said it was
intended for their first child. Oh dude, that they were
going to have. Yeah, and he but he kind of
knew he was gonna die at the end of this

(32:47):
whole thing, so he was like, I was gonna do.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
This, but fuck it. Here you go.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Tell my mom I lover seriously. So she convinced. She
plays along. She convinces me Lee the woods. Let's go
find some food. They're drinking from a behind a house
in Chase. When the owner drove up, Joe pulls out
his gun and the manfucking takes off to the street,
waving down cars so he survives.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
She pushes Tracey.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
He pushes Tracy to the homeowner's car, and then at
the evening of March eighth, he kills his fourth victim,
Jennifer MacDonald. She's thirty six. He later carjacks an eighty
one year old woman. She's not injured, and then they
go to the l Rich Motel on Pulaski Highway.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Someone's just nervously laughing in the back. I know, I
don't know what to do with any of this. It's
the bartender. It's his first day, and he's like, this
is not what I thought.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
The stray thought the Pixies were playing tonight. God damn it.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
So they're in the motel and on the news they're
showing pictures of the people that he had already killed.
Tracy's crying. He's freaking out. He says, we got to
get out of here.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I left the guns in the car, he realizes.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
So they go into the parking lot and there's a
police cruiser in the parking lot. Tracy fucking breaks away,
runs over to the police card starts banging on the windows,
and Heath and Joe takes off. Wait was there cop inside?
I think, I hope so I do too. I'd assume, yeah, Okay,
she's banging on windows. Yeah, she somehow goes to the cop.
Go okay, good and so he's like freaking out, takes

(34:26):
off and there's some woods behind him and he fucking
bolts into the woods.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tracy makes it out alive. Good, Get good. Yay. Wait,
but there's still another page. Yeah, there's one more page.
But I mean, is she alive Tracy? Yeah? Okay, okay, okay, Yeah,
she's alive. Okay. I think we talked about this last episode.
This is what happened next.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Okay, wait, I don't think anyone else dies, yay, okay.
So because he like randomly left certain people alive, like
keep card, he carjacks a guy.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Let me read it.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Uh So there's hundreds of law enforcement officers, bloodhounds which
I really want a bloodhound, No you don't, and a
robot they like search the woods and the storm drags
you is Shorge park one is half.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
How is how and she's out of her fucking hunt?
I love how are they crazy? They're insane?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
They can smell everything, and they're like there's really sensitive.
You have to walk them twice a day or they
just stare at you like you're killing them.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
And they want to like they just want to go
snuffle and shit, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
And also those ones are like floppy, like if you know,
unless you love spit, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Whatever your deal.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Is, Well, that's my deal.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
So it becomes Baltimore County's most extensive manhunt. People are
buying baseball bats and ammunition for their guns and like
fucking freaking out.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Because he's just loose in the city and everyone knows
there's someone just killing people.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, loose.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
And then two days later he goes to Virginia, kidnaps
William Lewis Terrell and orders him to transport him back
to eastern Baltimore County and then releases him unharmed. So
it's this really weird like depending on what mood he's
in that day or it sounds yeah, on Friday, March seventeenth,
So fucking week later, you've got some man like running

(36:23):
around your county.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Can you imagine?

Speaker 4 (36:25):
He goes to Dundalk Thundk it's.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Pronounced Sorry, I got that wrong. I'm from Maryland.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
He goes to the home of Tracy's mom. Now we're
with Tracy's mom. Okay, white missus white head.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Wait, I thought they who were the people got shot.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Those were that that was her manager at her job
who okay, okay, right, and her husband who had been
in a bad relationship like to stay with us for
a week.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
So those weren't her parents, Okay, some reason named George.
I just assume that's the dad. I don't know why,
fair enough, it's a dad name. Yeah, it is a
dad name.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
So her so Tracy's mother, she's like, because remember he
was like, I'm gonna kill your family gets to their house,
you'd think the cops.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Nope, I'm not gonna say.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Lynn and her boyfriend Andrew are there, and their twelve
year old son, Bradley are all there.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Bradley like, here's a knock at the door. He's twelve.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
He opens the door and is like, oh I know Joe,
and they hadn't warned him.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
He comes in the fucking house. Okay. Can I just
say this.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
This is what happens when anytime there's a little kid
around and there's bad shit happening, and the kid goes, hey,
what's going on? You go I'll tell you later, I'll
tell you where you are. And then that used to
happen to me all the time because I was the youngest. So, like,
one time, my cousin Cheryl's husband was in the kitchen.
I was like, Hi, what's going on, where's Cheryl? And
then he was like, oh, we're getting a divorce. And
I was like and apparently it had been going on

(37:55):
for months and just they forgot to tell me.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Hold, I'm on his side right now. I'm really mad.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
You gotta tell twelve year old kids, you've got to
the worst thing.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
And that's everyone here was told. Like I feel like
all Murderino's were told the thing at twelve.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, that's right. They wouldn't have answered the door.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Every single person in this room would have been like,
the fuck, No, Joe killed all these people?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
That weird guy with the pager I never liked to no.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Um okay, so ninety seven hours he's holding them hostage.
That's over three days. Did they get a pee? Did
they eat? I want to know everything?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
What did they do? Did they say? Yeah that house right? Yeah? Okay, yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Occasionally firing shots at law enforcement who are out front
watching visual guard.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
They got the visual on them, they got the visual,
the their vigual they're individuals, very there.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
They're just being themselves out there.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Yeah, this, this podcast for me is yatzi.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I'm just making up words. That is not yati. No. Oh,
which the one where you make up words with all
your words? Oh, that's not terrible.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I thought you meant just like yx whatever house.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I should have gone with that house.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, I always go with its. Pretend like you meant
the bullshit you just said.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Now, what's the one where you press the thing down
and it pops and you have to that's trouble.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
That's trouble. It's hungry, hungry house.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It's a hard case. The popping one is trouble. Oh,
I'll give you trouble.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
That was the U. If you pop around the back,
that nothings. I need to go back. Oh, I know
every fucking song diarrhea?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Are you singing the diarrheas so it's to pay?

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I might have been singing the trouble song in the
key cute diarrhea.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
When you all are sliding in a hole.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Good bartenders are quitting in mass They're just clogging the.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Fuck out out.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
It was darbage.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
They're going straight to therapy, emergency therapy, me too. Let's
all go okay, ninety seven hours he's they're firing shots
at each other, and then on the evening of Tuesday,
March twenty first, Lynn and Andrew fucking in the most
badass move and fucking hostage situation history history.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Fuck give him a glass of iced tea lace with
fucking xanax.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
What yes, so, ken.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Joby, I made you some special high seat. So Karen,
you like I took sanax one time?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
You didking it right? Wait? What you've taken it right?
All of a sudden, I thought you said you've done
heroin right.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
It's like, yeah, wait, just tell me right now, tell
me in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
No ANSWER's no, everyone.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I took xanax one time with my friend. We took
xanax and we watched the Food Network and drank red wine.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Amazing, amazing. It was sorry, don't do drugs.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
It was amazing because I had absolutely no feeling about
anything at all, which was simultaneously I realized how insane
I was, where I was like, oh, I'm worried about
many things all the time.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, this is usually your brain.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yes, but then also that like calm waters, that's not
for me either.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I need a little I need a little fretting.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Everyone needs a little crazy. Yes, when you don't care
about anything. I mean, yeah, there we become pam in HR.
Yeah that's right.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Oh shit, I'll get it later.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh xanax. Yeah. The first time I.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Took it, I was like on a way to a
thing and I was really nervous, and my friend who
was driving it was like can you shut up?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
And like gave me one.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
And then you know how I am in a car,
I'm a fucking lunatic, stressed out asshole. I scream at everyone,
not out like they don't hear me. I just scream
in the car. And I was in the car driving
with her, and then I was like, traffic's cool because
you could just like see everyone.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
And see what they're doing. And then I was like,
oh my.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
God, it I have bad anxiety this whole time.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
And then I knew and then I got a prescription.
You're like, goodbye caring. Yeah for sure, Okay, so xanax.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
It fucking knocks him out, which I'm like, how much
should you give him?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
I bet you They were like.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
To get the other bottle and how much do you
think he was mad at her? I'm being sexist when
she was like I.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Got up in Xante's prescription. He's like, you don't need
that shit, and then she's like, aren't you fucking glad?

Speaker 5 (42:54):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Andrew.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
So then Andrew's like, I'm gonna peace out and get
the cops. But he makes a lot of noise tumbling
out the window in a panic. Yet it didn't wake Pelzinski. Wow,
because he was drug like a horse. Okay, they leave.
They both leave. The parents both leave, and they leave
the kid in the kitchen. I sleep next to Joe.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Before they also on Zana, it'll be fine. They also
put the kids to sleep on didn't we talk about
that last episode about parents leaving their kids behind when
they like, yeah, oh my, I mean okay, sleeping on
the kitchen floor, They get the fuck out. They they're reasoning,
which I'm sure the cops were like, yeah, fucking right.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Is that they were like, well, we thought if he'd
wake him up, he'd be like what really, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (43:45):
And wake up.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Joe because little kids can't fucking wake up silently. That's true,
which is like, well, um, and then they kill them all.
It's like, well, let's just kill your kid now, so
what are you doing? They thought it was best, so
they got out, got the cops. The cops were like,
what the fuck, there's a kid alone in there. So

(44:06):
they like just were like fuck it and burst into
the house. Wow, because they're like, we're not fucking waiting
for this, which is awesome. And they say that when Joe,
when they did that, Joe sat up and reached Throw's weapons.
So they shot him twenty seven times.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
My and seven of those shots were straight into the beeper.
I'm sorry, I hate I hate beeper so much.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I don't know why. Oh when he died, he died.
Oh he died. He did die of twenty seven wounds.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Okay, uh okay, So here's how I'm going to end
it on a positive note because my god. Uh So
a year later, on Tracy's twenty third birthday, so Tracy
sends in, Okay, Howard Stern is like, everyone, send me listeners,
send me your hardship stories. I'm gonna pick one, and
you're and get an all expense pay trip to Vegas

(45:01):
and you're gonna get one hand of blackjack to win
it all, like you were gonna. I'm gonna give you
this much money to put on blackjack, and here's how
much you could win. I don't remember how much it was. Yeah,
and so she sends like, well, here's my fucking story.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I win.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, and Howard Stern was like, uh.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Huh wow, yeah, you fucking win.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
She got picked. She got picked. He fucking flies her
out to Vegas. And I remember this happening because my
brother was obsessed with Howard Stern back then, and we.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Would just that's all we would listen to.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Uh huh, yeah, he picks her. She goes there, single
hand of black jack. She wins one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
No, oh my, that's that. And then she turned to
the first gum bag geesy, hey, let's get married. Oh
you just ruined it. Holy shit. No, that's that's amazing. Crazy. Yeah,
do you have a picture? Oh, we have pictures.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Is there a picture?

Speaker 4 (45:58):
I mean, there's a standoff picture that's him Dick, and
then that's the standoff ship, and then the one the
first photo is Tracy and Joe.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Oh yeah, when they were hugging.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yeah, if you can go to the first photo, Okay,
you can't go back.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I know. He's like, now you get pictures. It's like
I don't need him. I don't need.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Him, So you guys, we're not used to the visual
component of this podcast.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Rusty and different. So that's Joe Pelzinski a fucking killer.
Oh wow, yeah, that's that all right. I just hit
my teeth with the microphone.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You did well? Yeah, thank you, let's hear it. Thank you. Yeah,
that was big. That was a lot. I want to
get xanax.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Well, my guy, uh, I mean, it's just as fucked
up in so many ways.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
My guy is Joseph Kallinger, the shoemaker. Do you know
that guy?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
All right, let me tell you a little bit about him.
He was born on December eleventh, nineteen thirty five, and
he was almost immediately given up for adoption. The father
abandoned the family. The mother couldn't handle raising a child
by herself, so he gets put into a foster family,
and unluckily for him, he was placed in the worst

(47:20):
foster family possible. It was two Austrian immigrants, Stephen and
Anna Kallinger, and they were both insanely abusive.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
So they did stuff like.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Lock him in a closet, forcing him to kneel on rocks.
They starved him, they whipped him. He was beaten so
severely that when he was six years old, he got
a hernia and he had to go get hernia surgery.
Oh my god, which is insanity for a child. And

(47:54):
while he was in the hospital or when he came
home to recover from this surgery, they told him, no,
it must have been before he left. They told him
the doctor was going to cut off his little bird,
and that basically when he came home he wasn't going
to have a penis so fun times in the calendar household,

(48:15):
so he was not on the weekends, he wasn't allowed
to play, he wasn't allowed to have friends, he was
allowed to go outside. He had to work in the
family shoe shop. This is in Philly where the shoe
shop was. So when he was eight years old, his
mother he told his mother that he wanted to go

(48:36):
to the zoo on a class trip. So his mother
hit him in the head with a hammer.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah. On the way home that same year, on the
way out from school, he is held at knife point
by three boys in the neighborhood and molested.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
But he is so.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Afraid that he's going to get in trouble for not
coming straight home after school that he doesn't tell anybody.
No of course not right, baby, But that's can you imagine,
like you're that's how horrible this family is. Is that
a horrible thing happens? And he's like, oh no, a
way worse thing will happen. I tell my fucking parents.
So super dark from jump for this guy. When he

(49:19):
was ten years old, he stole money from his parents
to bribe neighborhood kids to go to the movies with him.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I know, I keep saying, oh, but I have a
feeling he ends up killing a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Yeah, I mean, so I don't want to We're painting
a picture. There's a context behind it, Okay, there's reasons
for things.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Sometimes.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
When his parents caught him stealing money, they burned his
fingers on the stoves so they would burn the demon
thief out of the fingers that steal. Okay, So as
a teenager he starts rebelling, of course, because he's living
in hell. He decides at one point that he wants
to be a playwright, and somehow he convinces his parents

(50:03):
that he should be get to be in a play
and get to go do theater. So they actually let
him do it, and while he's in a play, he
ends up meeting a woman, a girl named Hilda Bergmann,
and he's fifteen years old, but he immediately they start dating.
They immediately start having a sexual relationship, and two years

(50:25):
later they get married. So I think he was seventeen
and she was a little bit younger than him.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So they end up having two children.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Jesus, Yeah, but Hilda leaves him because, of course he
viciously beat her. Oh, so she leaves him. In nineteen
fifty six, he has a breakdown. He ends up going
to a mental hospital. When he gets out in nineteen
fifty eight, he almost immediately gets remarried to his second wife, Elizabeth.
This was back before tinder, so he must have been

(50:57):
insanely charming with Elizabeth. He has five more children.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Whoa dude.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, he loves fucking it, says it right here on
the paper. And he has taken over the family shoe shop,
So the shoe shop is downstairs. They live in a
tiny and squalid apartment like apartment space above.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
The shoe shop.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And he abuses his wife of course and his kids
in a lot of the same ways that his foster.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Parents abused him. We break the cycle, I know, and
not this guy.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
So over the next ten years, his mental state starts
to deteriorate as well. So in nineteen fifty eight, he
farently he owned up building somewhere else intown. He sets
the basement of this building on fire and then collects
fifteen thousand dollars in insurance payout, And he ends up
doing that four more times over five years to this

(52:00):
same building. So first he first he likes the basement
on fire, then he goes ahead and lights the second
floor on fire, gets a payout for that. I think
he got eleven thousand dollars for that. Then by the
time he likes the first floor on fire, the insurance
company's like, I don't know, this seems. In nineteen fifty nine,

(52:20):
he's committed to a mental hospital after attempting suicide. In
nineteen seventy two, he is arrested on child abuse charges
because his daughter, who was a teenager, tried to run
away from home and when he caught her, he ended
up branding her with an iron Oh yes, And so

(52:41):
that daughter, his oldest son, Joe Junior, and their other
I think is their other daughter. They go to the
cops and they're like, our father is a fucking monster
and he needs to be arrested, and they see the wounds,
they take the kids, they listen to their testimony, and
then they take the kids to the hospital and they

(53:02):
see that all the kids have like a ton of crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
You know, proof that they've been.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Abused, tons of scars and broken bones that have like
reset badly.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It's intense.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
So he is found competent to stand trial even though
he was tested and he only had an IQ.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Of eighty two, holy shit.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
And he was also diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. So
he was sentenced to eleven months in prison for the
child abuse, but he'd already been held for seven months,
so he was given four months probation and released. So
in nineteen seventy three, those three children suddenly recant the

(53:48):
abuse charges and they come in and they sign affidated's
the police to say, we lied.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
It was never true, that he never abused us. So
from then on, his record is cleared, the charges are dropped,
and they that is as if it never happened. Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah. So in nineteen seventy four, he begins hearing the
voice of God speaking to him through what he described
as a disembodied head named Charlie sure, right, we've.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
All had that. I mean, I see it right now. Wait,
what's he saying? Hey, you're God. Hell, you're God. Yeah,
you're God, You're God. What are you going to do
with that power? Take a nap?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Oh really, because we need a ton of help out here.
So well, what Charlie, the disembodied head that was the
voice of God was telling Joseph Kalinger was that he
needed to start killing young boys and severing their penises
from their bodies. Oh no, which you know in the

(54:51):
Book of John chapter seven, verse fifteen, Oh no, or
is it Ecclesiastes that says uh? Yeah. So he enlists
his thirteen year old son Michael to help him out.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
He explains what the head was telling him and what
the plan is, and Michael's like, sounds great.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I'm in let's get this done. Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Can you imagine like if you saw a talking head
named Charlie and you were like, that's fine, like I'm
a little crazy, and then he was like kill kids
and take their penises, and you're like, what the fuck
is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I'm not that Like he didn't have to go along
with that part. Yeah, Oh my god. Yeah, it's horrifying.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
It is.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Well, it turns out, I mean, i'll give it away
a little bit, but it turns out that there is
a there's a chemical component to the leather treatment that
they used in the shoes because he was your shoemaker.
So he's down in that shoe shop just fucking sucking
up those chemicals.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
That's like eating away in his brain. As I was
totally thinking that, but then I was like, no, that's
the mad.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Hatters because the glue of the hatters us back then.
But same disc, same fucking this, same dive. It's all
about ventilation, everybody. Come on, get a fan, by a
fucking fan, open the door when it's nice out, light
a fire. That's what you like to do, Joe. Okay, Okay,
So it starts to get bad. Everybody their first victim.

(56:21):
They find a ten year old boy who's playing by
himself at a playground.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Because it's nineteen seventy four.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Can you imagine how bone chilling it would be today
if you drove by a playground and there was just
like a little boy standing there alone, you would call
every authority that you could think of atf get down here. Okay,
So this boy was named jose Colazzo, and Joseph and
Michael lure him into an abandoned factory and there they

(56:50):
torture him. They sever his genitals and then.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Strangle him to death. This is a pretty uh huh.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
So as next to them is his own son, Joe Junior,
the one he conned into the Yes, so Joe.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Junior after they reported him.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
It turns out Joe Junior gets sent to basically get
sent to Juvie, and one of the reasons is because
they found out that he was gay and he was
like having an affair with an older man. So they
were like, oh, yeah, you you're a deviant. You're the
one that has to go to you know, kids jail
or whatever. When he gets out and comes home, Joe Sr.

(57:33):
Has taken out a life interance policy on him. Yeah,
always a good sign. So they Michael and Joe get
somehow get him to go to a demolition site with
them and they end up drowning him there in a

(57:56):
puddle of water and then they.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Just leave the body.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, And then Joe Senior tries to collect the insurance
on his son, and the insurance company is like, no.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Fucking way, and Joe Senior's like, I didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I mean, Michael's here, he's fine, and I also took
out an insurance policy on him. And they're like, huh,
that's an odd rationale. Two months later, Michael is found
wandering the streets in a daze with multiple head wounds.
He's taken to the hospital and he tells police he

(58:35):
can't remember what happened. So he basically tries to do
the exact same thing to his accomplice.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Who's been with him the whole time.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
All right, So November twenty second, Calendar and his son
begin to break into homes. They basically start driving around
the area and they start breaking into homes and this
is apparently, he tells Michael, this is this is part
of this plan.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
This is what got it does.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So they go to Lindenwold, New Jersey, and they break
into the home of a woman named jo Joan Cardi.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
They tired of the bed and Joe sexually assaults her.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And then two weeks later they break into the house
in Susquehanna Township and it's they break into a house
and five women are having a bridge game.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
It is so jarring when I read that.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
I was just like, no, not them, No, before you
tell me what awful thing happened to them? What if
they've been playing trouble?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
What the fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Ye old ladies, ya see, yes, hey, okay, now tell
me that they all got killed. I wanted to say
that before I knew they.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Were going they did it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
They didn't who, but they did get tied up, held hostage.
They go around the house. They end up collecting twenty
thousand dollars of worth of money, jewelry, whatever from these ladies.
And and they also cut one of the women's breasts
before they leave. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
So then about a week later, they go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
To Homeland, Maryland, Homeland, and they break into the home
of Pamela Jaski and they hold her captive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
They forced her to perform oral sex on Joseph. And then.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
A couple days later they go and they break into
the home of Mary Rudolph and they do the exact
same thing to her. Okay, Now, two days later, this
is January eighth, nineteen seventy five, they go They're in Leonia,
New Jersey. So what they did was they took the
bus into New York City. Then they went to Fort Lee,

(01:00:48):
I think, they said. Then they went into They just
started going to different towns and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
They would walk around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Joseph Kalander and his thirteen year old son, they would
walk around these little towns, holding hands and cuddling, is
what witnesses said. They were super creepy, weird behavior, and
they would walk up to people's doors, knock on the
doors like they were kasing the houses. They would knock
on a door and they would say, is this where
the Joneses live? And then if they thought a woman

(01:01:16):
was home by herself, they would force their way in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Well, you see a kid, and that would totally throw
me off. Yeah, that's the perfect Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
But at some places, Joe would say that they were salesmen,
which is fucking hilarious. Or it's like I'm a salesman
and this is a junior salesman. We're here to sell
you candy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So they finally end up at the home of Edwena
Romaine and her daughter Dedi is there with Detie's three
year old son, Robert, and her ninety year old grandmother
is Edwena's mother. So what's happened is their Edwena's husband,
Dedie's father had just had a heart attack and he's
in the hospital. So basically her two younger sisters still

(01:02:00):
live in the house with Edwena the mom, so Dedie's
there to help take care of the family. And she
sees Robert and Michael Calender walking down the street holding
hands being weird. She's like mom fan and then she
just goes to doing laundry. And then they knock on
the front door and they say, is anyone else here?

(01:02:23):
And as she goes to answer, he pulls Joseph pulls
out a gun and they force their way in. They
make her strip down, and they make her three year
old sons stripped down and they tie them to a bed. Now,
while all this has happened, Dedie's middle sister, Randy, comes
home and then he does the same thing to her

(01:02:46):
and puts her in a different room. And then their
mother and their other sister, Ritta, and their sister's boyfriend,
Redda's boyfriend Frank, they all come home. Jesus, He's like
one thing. Just the doorbell keeps on ringing. They were
at the hospital visiting the dad, so they come home
and the same thing happened. They get tied up, stripped

(01:03:07):
and tied up and they get tape wrapped around their head,
and then Joseph and Michael start searching the house for money.
Then there's another knock on the door and it's their neighbor,
twenty one year old Maria Fashing, and she's come over
because she's the nurse that's hired to take care of
the ninety year old grandmother. So she comes in, Joseph

(01:03:30):
forces her, strips her, and forces her and Frank the boyfriend,
to go down into the basement. So once they're down there,
basically Joseph ties them up and then tells Maria that
she has to bite Frank's penis off, and she's like, good,

(01:03:55):
fuck yourself, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Oh my god, Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
She basically fights him, says fuck off, and he slits
her throat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Yes, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
So while they're hearing, they're hearing the family upstairs is
all tied up, but they're hearing, of course, horrible shit
down in the basement. So the mother eduena like she
basically like moves her legs around, gets the things off.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Her or I don't think she did. Actually she was
still tied up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
She fucking goes out the front door, crawls out the
front door and starts screaming.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
And yeah, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
She makes it to the neighbor's house and she's screaming, going,
they're killing my family, you know, going crazy, and the
neighbor's like, what are you talking about? So the neighbor
just and then she's like, cut this off my legs,
this whole weird thing. That the lady just like leaves
her there and goes and calls the police because she's like,
whatever's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
The police need to be involved with this because it's insane.
Maybe she's making it up. I'm gonna lay around here,
I mean, who knows what she's doing this for? Attention
her arms tied behind her back, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
So the cops come and they find everybody, you know,
everybody all tied.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Up and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
They go all around the house and then they realize
that the people who have done this are no longer there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
That they run.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
So when Edwena got outside and started screaming, Michael heard
her and ran down to the basement and said, somebody,
there's people are going to be coming. We have to go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
So they run out the back door and they ran
to the bus and as they run to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
The bus stop, Jesse takes off his bloody shirt and
throws it in the garbage, and then they throw their
weapons into the bushes. Then they get on a city bus,
sit down, tless, topless and sweaty and weird, and they're
still blood on you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah, there's definitely blood. And they're just like, okay, all right, yeah,
I just killed three people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
And just an hour and a half and we'll be home.
I'll make a new plan. So of course it's a
tiny town, So everybody in town's like, yes, I saw them, Yes,
I saw them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
There's a woman who watched them as they stood near
the garbage can take off the shirt, watch Joseph take
his shirt off and throw it away. So she was like,
the shirt's right here, Like everybody in town's like, the
gun's over here. Yeah. So and they all saw them together,
being super fucking weird, walking up and down the street
all day. So there was tons of witnesses. And basically

(01:06:31):
what happened is there was a laundry tag in that shirt,
which is hilarious. There is a laundry tag with the
first three letters.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Of his last name. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
So when the cops find that, they Basically, they see
the make they see the laundry tag, they put it together.
They end up going to the dry cleaners, and the
dry cleaners are like, oh, yeah, that's Joe Kallinger's shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
He's got the shoe shop down the street. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
So Joseph and Michael are arrested, and once they're in custody, Joe.
Now this is another one where this I'm pretty sure
this guy was schizophrenic and I'm sure he was insanely
fucked up. Once he's in police custody, he just he
just turns it up to twenty five. So he starts
telling the police that he's been alive for a thousand

(01:07:19):
years and mostly as a butterfly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
And sure, dude, like you pick something else that sounds crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It's also sounds sad, like I'm a beautiful butterfly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
You're not. Actually, do we have a picture of Joe Kalinger.
I think there's oh I want to see No, I'm
a beautiful butterfly.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
That's not what I was picturing. I was picturing like
almost like Popeye.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I don't know why, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
It's Bluto instead, it's totally blue Bluto.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It really is Ew Joe Ew you can you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Go to the next pick because it's I think both
of their Yeah, and that's his little song, like thirteen
years old. That's Joe without a beard. I think the
beard is better for him for the face.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, I just want to look at that kid. I
had that haircut for sure. Yeah, mop top, yes, yeah,
it's very eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
If he had hoop earrings, that's me in college.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
He looks so sinister. He looks like a little brat.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Well, it was like this, I mean, but the sad
thing is too, is like it's all these kids who
are just getting like severely abused every single day. So
then you know, the monster dad is like, oh, you're
my special best friend. And so even though it's to
go torture and rape and kill people, he's just like,
well I got picked, like it's something good. And it's like, oh,

(01:08:51):
I know what happens when you say no to Dad.
Yeah that's not fucking fun. You get straight up killed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
So so so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
He also told the cops he was on a mission.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
To help people whose brains were malfunctioning because they were
wearing badly designed shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
Look it, these are fucking and these he should.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Not be wearing flats with this dress at all, Bucket,
I definitely need Joe Kalinger's help.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Okay, So he's found guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
He's sentenced for the lesser crimes of burglary, robbery, kidnapping.
He's sentenced to thirty to eighty years, and the judge
who sentenced him for those crimes called him an evil
man who's utterly vile and depraved.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
But then then he has tried for Jose Clauso's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Murder the Little Boy, and on October fourteenth, nineteen seventy six,
he's found guilty and sentenced.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
To life in prison. Yay, so it gets It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
When he goes to prison, he attempts to suicide one
time by trying to light himself on fire. Not the
best waiting, No, I would say, I'm not number one
in my book.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
But as he lit himself on fire and his also
his cell on fire. He also cracked an egg on
his head to see if he could make it cook.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
What the fuck, beautiful butterfly, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And did it? Yeah? He made it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
It was Denny's Home Run special. Some hash Browns were
in there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
And now I'm like he was a psycho. That's the
fucking the butterfly thing. Fine, fair that's just words. Yeah,
but now you're getting into cooking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Now you're getting into fucking culinary self culinary shit out
of here, chopped.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
And he also was fighting the jail guards who are
trying to save his life as he burned alive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
He's once they got into his cell, he's like a
lame and me I like eggs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Some people theorized that that was an attempt to get transferred,
because that was he was in the state prison to
get transferred into Pennsylvania's Fairview Hospital for the mentally insane.
The egg was a nice touch, but that's what he
was doing. Yeah, right, yeah, he got he got there.
He's like, eggs are fucking crazy, and you know it,
this is insane.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Transfer me.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
Yeah, we eat the we eat the embryos of another animal?
What and like, yeah, you're right, eggs are never mind.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
God, he's just a really irritating vegan. It turns out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
They had feelings. Get out of here, Joe. So when
he's in fair of you, he slashes the throat of
a fellow inmate, but that inmate survives, so then they
trans for him back to state prison. He chilled out
for a little while while he was there, but yeah,
he couldn't he couldn't handle it. Ten years later in
a TV interview, Oh sorry, wait, he's transfer back to

(01:12:11):
state prison and on March.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Oh no, sorry, that's the death part.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
So I'll say this, ten years after he's in prison,
he's in a TV interview and these are on YouTube.
I didn't watch it because he's so fucking creepy. I
think that last picture where he's old in jail, Oh
that's sorry, that's Michael. That's Michael when he got arrested.
Oh no, but then the next one is old Joe.

(01:12:37):
If you could go to the next one, knock knock, knock.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Hello, my god, I'm here to sell you this knife,
So settle, settle. You're good now, why am I getting pinched?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Stay with me? I was that if I have something
like I'm excited about to tell George, I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
And now it was like across the room, you'll just
see this at me, like she's got something to tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I can tell because she'd come over here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
You're sorry those personal side personal podcasting, it's an inside
in this TV interview, He told the interviewer that he
wanted to slaughter every single person on Earth, after which
he hoped to commit suicide and then become God.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
What about a butterfly again? Is that what God does?
Joan kill everybody on earth? Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
So he gets transferred back to state prison and on
March twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six, he had a seizure
and choked to death on his own vomit in the
prison in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Yeah, that is the proper way for that guy to die. Well,
here's what I like about that if you think about
it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
He's in the prison infirmary, which means there are doctors
and nurses near at least within ten feet of him,
and he starts choking on his vomit while he has
a seizure, and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Like, let's just see how this plays it. We could
tip him on to his side, but he's a huge
piece of shit. Ye, here's what's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
As a as an epilogue to this, Michael was placed
on probation until his twenty fifth birthday because once he
was in the system, they realized that this monster father
was just using and manipulating him in every possible way.
So they actually changed his name and put him into

(01:14:36):
into foster care, and his foster family that he went
to protected him when they tried to call him for
one of these like there was a bunch of the
what do you call them after the like when they
try to like a parole thing or a when he's
fighting at an appeal, thank.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
You very much, but please don't heckle on the appeal.
They call the foster family and they were like, he's
not going to talk to you. He's not going to
talk to anybody. Don't call us anything like, just don't
he's not going back there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
The defense had, oh, that was the that was my
big I did the ending in the middle, which was
the say it again at the end. The substance was
called too lean, too lean, and they were like they
pretty much think that he was just insane, Like he's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
He's fine now, Oh no, not Michael, Sorry, that's the
that's the Joseph that I said earlier. We're just stumbling
to an ending.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Now you can say it again, yeah, edit that out
saying the chain time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Okay, the end, thank you. I have to tell you now,
I have to tell you a secret.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
It's this big secret that I'm keeping from you, which
is that he was mostly a Philly murderer. So I
apologize for that. But he did have the one in Homeland,
which is close by here. But once I had it
all finished, and then I was like, wait, fuck, this
is all Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
And that's why I started looking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Up these other fucking crazy stories, one of which can
I just tell it really quick?

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah, it's that one.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Now, I was asking her it was that one, and
I think maybe you guys have heard of this, but
I found it on this website and it's basically.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
That their rowhouse.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
In nineteen ninety nine, there was the Revitalization project where
they were knocking down all the row houses and when
that happened, they started finding bodies in the basements of
those row houses, and the police were assuming that it
was all from the drug wars, and it was you know,
they assumed it was all that. But then they start
identifying those bodies and the one thing they all have

(01:16:59):
in common, as they are all sex offenders, pedophiles, child molesters.
All that had served at least for at least three
different Rhymes had served time in jail, and there were
fifty one in all, and they they end up like

(01:17:26):
in two thousand and four, pulling over a guy. Oh
so when they do the you know, the chemical analysis
or whatever, they figure out that they had they all
had sodium pentathol in their system. So the police put
together that they think that the killer ambushed them, shot
them with sodium pentathol, which is like a xenex, yes,

(01:17:50):
exactly what it's Also it's a local anesthetic, and then
it's also a barbituate, and then it took them into
those basements, tortured them, killed them, and then and then
cut them all up. And so they pull in two
thousand and four, they pull a guy over that's that
is a suspicious vehicle, and they find he has two

(01:18:11):
suitcases filled with surgery equipment, power drills, sodium pentethal, knives,
murder kit, a murder kit of the highest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Order, and so they arrest him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
But then they can't they can't keep him on anything
because there's no proof that he's connected to anything, and
he disappears, and then he goes down to Florida, and
then sex offenders in Florida start disappear. So I'm like,
this is the fucking greatest story I've ever heard of
my life. This is amazing, but I can only find

(01:18:48):
it on this one website, right, twistedminds dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Which is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
There's a lot of good shit on there, but this,
it was just this one thing, and I was And
the way it's set up is the the guy that
wrote it said I was told this by a freelance
crime reporter.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Huh is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And then it said his name, which was like Joaqum
Kale something, and that person doesn't exist. So ultimately, I
think that may have been a creepy pasta of some
kind because I can't although they were finding bodies when
they knock down those row houses, there's no proof that
any of that other stuff ever happened, so I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
I had it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
I was writing it out by hand, so stoked, and
then I was like, well, this could probably be a lie,
Like there's no way to prove it. Yeah, that's not
true unless someone in this audience wants to start.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Yeah, do we have time for a Oh? Yeah? Yeah?
Oh should we do it?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
It's now time for one of you to tell us
your hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Wroted her. Wait, Karen, are we going to do this one?

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Sorry, hold on wait, or should we pick someone?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Maybe both?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Maybe both. Let's start with this solution. Because Karen and
I got backstage. There was two envelopes and we got
invited to a wedding. You got someone's wedding, and she
included I can hear her freaking out anything. She included
her hometown, and I was like, oh fuck, let's do
this one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
So Grace Douglas, are you here there? She? Oh, she's accessible.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
I was going to be like, if you're up there,
fucking Vince is going.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
To walk you up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Here's the thing, though, I'm not going to that wedding.
Oh no, no, no, this is a this is a
what's it called? You're like, sorry, but here's a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah, but I'm also I'm not giving a gift. But
this is it. Oh, this is wow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Hi Gray Hill, Oh we have.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
A mic creer. Hi, thank you for the Let me
get you my sure think Oh here, you get your microphone. Okay,
let's go stand over here all right, seeing get in here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:01):
Center up center, up, all right, say your name in
your grade. So I was looking at your Thanks for
the wedding invitation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
You're allcome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
We'll take beef and I was reading your murder and
I'm like, oh, this is good. It's good.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. And you didn't know about it
for a while, right, I did it? Okay, Well I'm
gonna let you go. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
So my mom was an X ray technician and they
did school a little differently back there. Back then.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
She was at West.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Virginia University and they really they they threw her into
practicals right away. And this was like nineteen seventy, I believe,
and there were two freshman girls that had gone missing
a few weeks earlier. They didn't have like a transportation
system at WVU into Morgantown, so hitchhiking was common, and

(01:21:53):
the girls had gone in to see Oliver I believe,
and then they disappeared the musical. Yes, okay, he was
a specific person. And my mom had switched on call
shifts with someone for that night, and so she was
just in the on call room and she got paid
to the morg and she hadn't ever been to the morg.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
This is the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
She was like, this is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I don't know what I'm doing. She grabbed the portable
X ray.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Machine, went down there, and there are a bunch of
cops and they told her that they had found those
girls and that they needed to The bodies were pretty decomposed,
so they wanted her to X ray for bullets. So
she got in there and kind of like pulled back
the sheet and they had no heads. So, I mean,

(01:22:41):
we knew it was going to be bad, but yeah,
no one had warned her, so she was freaking out.
But she finished her job and then decided she was
going to quit school, but she didn't. She had a
couple of drinks after that she had to finish her
on call shifts, so she was kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
So she ima dreams going back. Act of paperwork. Yeah,
lot to do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
So the story gets weirder because they'd been looking to
figure out what had happened to the girls and they
got an anonymous letter that directed them to the bodies,
and that's how they actually found them. And so they
tried to trace back where the letter came from, and
it led them to a religious cult here in Maryland.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Who had said that they held.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Seances, which then told them who the murderers, gave them
descriptions of the murderers and told them where the bodies were. Yeah,
so they had sent them another the police another letter
to before they had talked to them. They told them
where to find the heads, but they never found the heads,
so that's weird. Then they actually the police looked into

(01:23:47):
this cult and they cleared them all of any linkage
to the murder, even though they knew.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Where the bodies were.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
I don't know, she's really mad at you. I still
think they had something doing. They never found the killer. Well,
then there was a guy who was in jail for
something else. I think he had raped an underage girl,
and he confessed to the murders, but it was like
a jailhouse confession, and a lot of stuff didn't add up,

(01:24:16):
and he gave like a very elaborate story about picking
them up and then chopping their heads off with his
brother's machete, because people just have machetes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
But who was his brother from the jungle?

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
That a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
And then he later recanted though, but he was still convicted.
He appealed, was convicted again, and then he died in jail.
And then since then though, there was like one of
the original detectives that worked on the case has never
really given it up, and so they have reopened the
case now and it's considered an unsolved murder.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
So, wow, did that just stoppen recently? It happened a
few years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Yeah, wow, And I looked it up because after I
started listening to this, my mom had told me this
just casually one day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
When I was in junior high.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
She was like, oh, yeah, when I was in the hospital,
you know, there were these headless bodies, and so I
you know, I was like, I wonder whatever happened, because
as far as she knew, they never found the heads. Although,
oh the other thing when she was working, especially the
doctors which teas her all the time, they'd be like, hey, Joanne,
they need you in the morgue. They found those they
found those heads.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Inappropriate doctors, you know, such dick.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Yeah wow, that's is it a called something like the
so and so murders or the they call it the
West Virginia University co ed murders.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Look in that fucking shit out?

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Wow? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Thank you?

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Great, close, awesome, congratulations on your buddy, thanks for being
here or I was going.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
To be so much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I was good. That was good. I'll take that. Oh yeah, yeah,
it was nuts. Shit girl, Oh my god, do you
want to should be doing more? Do you want to?
We doing more? Really good?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Loo at you. I looked right at you. So come
up here, but do it quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I know I don't either if you go over like,
there's Vince putting his hand up in the back, looks
straight back.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
That's the tall guy. There's Vince. Back there, there's Vince.
He takes care of us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Yeah, it turns out he gets us really good Peruvian
food backstage.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
When you're a nurse, like or an X ray technician,
that part of your job can be just one day
someone calls, you know, is like go down, go down
and x ray people that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Don't have heads. They don't even add like that part
in that's part of it. They don't have to tell
you Hi, what's your name? Hi? No, you're not Hi.
I'm good a for you. What's your name? I'm Amanda? Hi, Amanda,
Amanda is here? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Are you Amanda?

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Is that you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
It's the one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Good on the end.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
How did we know?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Yes, he said I'm thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah, you tweeted at us because it was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yes, that's right, even obnoxiously twe I know I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
I love it for I don't even use it, don't
even Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
I dated a murderer. Oh yeah, but wait, you's not
telling me about it. Also said, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
Gonna wait to get a blackout drunk tel after your show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
So so, okay, is a real life story.

Speaker 5 (01:27:24):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
I know you want me to be cool. I'm so sorry. No, no,
you're fine. Wait, we need to tell something really quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
I told I told Georgia there's this girl who just
made the funniest joke on Twitter. And then she's like, yeah,
but we just got this wedding invitation and so and
she's like, ooh, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
A good one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
So then we're we do that. Then we're like, we
have another minute. I don't know it's you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
I just I'm psychic, is what I'm saying. Did you
see that? Don't you're saying you, thank you, thank you.
See that girl right there, that's my best friend. She
just graduated college to be an r M like your mom.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
She said, single, congratulations, sons, this is gonna be like
downer than an upper real fest.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Her son had cancer. Kick cancer's ass.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Oh my god, don't try to try a weekend I'm sorry, Okay,
tell you so sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Okay, so this is anyone here from New York. Oh
my god? Yeah girl, Okay, so you're booing makes.

Speaker 5 (01:28:24):
Fun of me all over this, but we bartended an
outback steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Nice spuck, not make We're not making fun about you.
Great we heard that play.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
So I was also like a raging alcoholic around eighteen
to twenty one, and this guy who owned a quiz
nos I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Thought it was cool at the time. I want to
take them with me. So we went to a water
from bar.

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
Drove myself and my cousin home, and I was like,
this guy's slightly creepy, yeah, and wasn't enjoying it, and
she dropped. I had him drop me off at a
diner because I was like, I don't want him know
where I live. My stepfather smart, I thought it was real.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Smart. I called my stepdad.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
I was like, listen, my best friend to know this
guy's first name is gonna draw me off this diner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
Will you picked me up? He was all about it.
So fast forward a couple years later, a very good.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
Friend of mine who is smoking hot, Like you know
you have those friends that are just like real hot sure,
she's so hot, and she.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Starts dating him and we're like, that's not the best idea.

Speaker 5 (01:29:27):
The Quizno's okay, and can't see she's twenty one, and
everyone's like, you know what, she's real hot. He's got
a lot of money. This is a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
It was not money, you know what.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
He gives me Molly on the weekends and I really
like it, and I was like, go for it. Yeah yeah,
And she she told me, she was like, you know,
he got real mad at me. We ordered pizza. He
went to pick up the pizza and I looked in
the drawer for a pen. And when I came home,
he was like, you opened the drawer. She was like,
what what I'm talking about? And I was like, I

(01:30:02):
tape the drawers. I know that you opened the drawers. Shit,
well that's kind of got out back steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Very big news. Oh my god. Okay, did she work
at the steakhouse? Too short it? Yeah, short it and
way too hard at work in the say let's tell
you that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
And so she.

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
This is about a month after that. She says to me, listen,
he went to a club last night. He came home
the next day and he said, you know, there's this
girl that's missing, but we hung out with her all night.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
I want to help the cops. And so she was like, yeah,
that's great.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
And the cops want to talk to you because you
used to hang out with him, and I was like, yeah,
that's great. So we talked to the cops and they're like, listen,
this girl's missing. Her name's Laura Garza, which was a
very very big.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Case in New York. If anyone's heard of it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
This really beautiful girl from Texas. Hispanic girl, she was beautiful,
and her family on Puerto Rican. Her family is like,
my family, you don't order reak it. And I know
I'm a white looking bitch. I know, white ass bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
But on financial aid forms, my mama say, I'm pulled zy.
I said, year down, Yeah, shit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Gave it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Send that to the FBI. I don't think I'm done
with college. And in New York that's it's free now.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
So she ends up missing and so the state troopers
come into her out backstake. Now she's a hostess. I'm
a server at the time. The state troopers come in,
they say, listen, your boyfriend knew this girl. Can we
have your cell phone, and she was like, uh okay,
but I thought he was helping you. And she's like,
you know, we just need your cell phone. Fine, that's great.
She gives him the cell phone. That night she sleeps

(01:31:43):
at his house. No okay, she sleeps at her boyfriend's
house with no cell phone, with no cell phone. And
in the morning he's like, my landlord's coming over. My
little rent is due, and my lease is a I
gotta clean everything top to bottom. And it's been a
little bleach on this part of the curtain. So I

(01:32:06):
cut a piece out of the closet and I'm gonna
put it right here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
She helped him.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Oh, she goes back to work, set out back steakhouse
and we're all there.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
State troopers come in and they're like, bitch, you gotta go,
and then he's like klass.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
They think, well, long story short, the dead girl was
in the closet.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
While she slept.

Speaker 5 (01:32:33):
He was having sex with her, and she saw a
picture of super hot smoke and hot Lindsey and said
do you have a girlfriend and he said yes, and
she got real upset and he strangled her. Oh my god,
put her in the closet. Got spooked, had the girlfriend
stay over. She helped him bleach the part, Oh, I'm

(01:32:54):
not knowing why, not knowing, not knowing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:57):
Why, And.

Speaker 5 (01:32:59):
It took okay, and I live in a pretty small hamlet.
It's about an hour north of Manhattan, kind of west.
But they were looking in the woods, in my woods,
my parents would everyone's woods. Could not find it. The
mom of the girlfriend was like, listen, he came. He
had dirt in his clothes, and he said he helped
change her tire. I don't know if that helps you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
He had dumped the body in Pennsylvania, but it took
them almost a year to find it. And she, I
mean smart thinking, ended up dating a state trooper after nice. Yeah,
she did, she did. She did, smoking hot Lindsay got it,
got her smell a cock.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
He dumped her, but eventually she's gotten a nice boy
for now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
But he what's the name of your podcast, because I'm
gonna start listening to it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
I love her, But she legitimately was asleep in the
apartment that entire girls was fucking insane, and he in
court she.

Speaker 5 (01:33:55):
Had to testify against him, and he said she saw
a picture of you you and pointed to her and said,
I saw a picture of you and freaked out. So
I strangled and killed her. And you know, like real,
I mean, we're kind of in a dumb town. People
aren't very educated. They were like, there's careful.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Pieces of her body and christ no subs.

Speaker 5 (01:34:17):
Oh my gods got shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
I'll tell you that, Ana. But yes, our friend Lindsay
did stay sexy. She did not get murdered, thank god.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
But she was real upset because the family came from
Texas and camped out at our outback seak cause every
day to ask her for what she knew.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Wow, real o.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Sauce, that's that's a life's magic from Amanda, right, Yes, Karen, Amanda,
that was the best hometown murder and we've ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
You're sorry, yeah, Lauren, she that's the bad nurse mom.
Graats you're amazing. Ye, that was great. You're hilarious. Thank
you amazing, Thank you so much, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
I don't want to take this, Okay, we'll see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Should we just leave?

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Let her take that exactly? She just keeps talking.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
The other thing that happened at outback steakhouse, and a
lot of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Shit happens there. Let me tell you she was fucking good.
It's like I can learn something. Here's the thing that's
really irritating.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Like when I started stand up comedy in nineteen ninety,
not that many people did it, and very few people
were funny, and not that many people were good at it.
And now everybody's hilarious and everyone's good at performing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
And it's like the most fun thing in the world.
But it took me forever to get like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
To Amanda's level, and it really kisses me off, really
pisses me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
I am one hundred percent not there yet, Like there's
we're gonna be. You'll get there, You'll get You know
what you have to do. You have to bartended out
back steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Fuck yeah, practicing. I'm going to take her class. You guys,
this is sex amazing show love. Thank you so much,
Bare what a great crowd you are.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Thank you for listening. Thank you for being a part
of the Rhythm Nation. Yeah, it's so nice that you came.
Punk Rock Crew. You guys fucked it up the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Thank you for being punk. Thank you and stay sexy
and bye you guys. Thank you