August 22, 2017 • 49 mins
In part two of the My Favorite Murder/Unqualified crossover special, Anna covers the murder of Rebecca Schaeffer, Georgia covers serial killer Charlie Brandt, and they all give relationship advice to a call-in listener.
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Speaker 6 (02:02):
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Speaker 7 (02:19):
Well, this is part two. I'm excited that we're all
back here. Thank you for showing up again.
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No, problem is a long drive, but worth it. It's
so crazy you're wearing the same and well, I love it.
Oh this is my Thursday shirt.
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All right.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
So we're going to start with Anna first. She's gonna
do her favorite murder. After that we'll go to Georgia.
You'll do yours. We have one more advice call, and
then we're done with the show.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, are we calling this my favorite unqualified?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
My favorite unqualified?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I love it already, can I. I didn't mean to
cut you off, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
There was nothing else.
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I'll just say that.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I wish you would just start.
Speaker 8 (02:57):
Okay, So I have to tell you, though, I have
to qualify this with This is actually like a story
that I remember very vividly and and kind of has
sort of haunted me throughout Hollywood and like, and the
idea of sort of becoming well known, shall we say famous?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my god, my god, I think I think I
might maybe I have two ideas of what it could be.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's it's like, as all these stories are horribly tragic.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh, I know you do, I that idea?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What not?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Excited?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
No, no, it's it's terrifying because you know I live here,
like whatever like in a weird hall, like anything. And
anytime there's a dang dong in the back of my mind,
this story comes up a little bit, which is Rebecca Schaeffer.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh shit, is that what you were going to guess?
You were, Karen, you were gonna guess it?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was either Rebecca Shaeffer or Teresa Saldana as the
other one.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, I was going to get Sharon Tate. So oh,
I couldn't go quite there. But this is this is
one of the most well, they're all tragic stories, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So sad?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Okay so.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Rebecca was born November sixth, nineteen sixty seven and raised
in Portland, Organ And she wanted to grow up being
a rabbi, But when she was fourteen years old, her
good looks caught the attention of a cattle call, which
my good looks never caught the attention of a cattle.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Call, of a temple of a rabbi.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Hey at a local modeling agency. Less than two years later,
in nineteen eighty four, after appearing in a number of
Portland area publications, she went to New York to pursue
her modeling career. Her modeling career didn't take off, due
to being only five foot seven.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Which poor thing gross, So she decided to.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Focus on acting, quickly, appearing in television commercials, seventeen magazine
Woody Allen's film Radio Days in One Life to Live.
So she became very successfula she was a stunningly Who was.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
She in Radio Day?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was cut? Oh, son of a Bitch.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Some Movie's so good.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
In nineteen eighty six, at the age of eighteen, her
work caught the attention of Los Angeles casting directors, and
she was cast in the CBS sitcom My Sister Sam,
playing the character of Patty Sam's Sam's next door, Sam's
girl next door sister?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
What the fuck?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Who wrote this? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Okay, anyway, now she's living in La Rebecca was on
the fast.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Track to stardom.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Can I just say that My sister and I loved
my Sister Sam from the second it came out. We
loved her so much. She was just one of She
looks like one of those classical American girls, curly hair,
great face, beautiful, but also like sweet. Yeah, you could
feel her positive because I watched it too, and you
could feel like her.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't know. I hate to say positive energy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That sounds like a very la thing to say, but
a warmth she had this Sandra Bullockfield to her.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, like oh I'm friends with her already.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah. So now we have the stalker. The stalker comes
into play.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
A fucking stalker.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Robert John Bardow So he was a nineteen year old
Tucson resident. Barto repeatedly had a troubled childhood, an alcoholic
mom and mentally ill father. He was abused by one
of his siblings and placed in foster care after he
threatened to commit suicide. He was diagnosed with manic depression
and at one time institutionalized for a month for emotional problems.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Don't put your fucking kid with foster care if he
wants to kill himself.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No kidding.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So beyond that timeline, beyond that he says here on
my info sheet. Beyond that tim time professional codammit. Beyond
that tim.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Time he received professional help.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But okay, back to my sweet Rebecca. At age sixteen,
before stocking Rebecca, he stalked a child peace.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Activist, which I always thought was an interesting detail. How
do you find the child peace activist?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
But anyway, so t is something wonderful woman named Samantha Smith,
who tragically died in a nineteen eighty five plane crash,
which weirdly was a year of a lot of plane crashes.
Eighty five, Yeah, nineteen eighty five, John Edver, I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Probably don't ask me too any questions. I'm just I
just gotta read the tim time sheet.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Okay, Karen usually knows whose weird obscure facts I was
scraping my brain.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was that the one where the rugby teammate each other?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Maybe, babe, Yeah, it could be that counts for three,
that one.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Anyway, So this fella bardo, he was lonely, and he
spent a lot of time watching television.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Believe it or not, he discovered Rebecca sitcom my sister Sam,
and he became pretty smitten. He saw her as a beauty,
He saw a beautiful and hosts wholesome. Wholesome, Oh god,
can I even say that again?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Wholesome?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That's like how you describe oatmeal. But innocent, I think
is sort of the major point that we will get
to later. And he collected her magazine covers and talked
about her as if they were friends. I don't know
who you talked to her about because I don't think
he had a lot of friends.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Maybe he just the gross Speaks store clerk.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he's livery bought the magazine from so Over the
course of three years, he wrote, you know, a ton
of letters to Rebecca, and one letter was answered by
an employee of Schaeffer's Rebecca Shaffer's fan club, and he
was encouraged by that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
He came to Los Angeles hoping to meet her on
the set of her sitcom My Sister Sam, but he
was turned away by Warner Brothers security.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He was pissed.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
He returned a month later armed with a knife, but
security guards once again prevented him from gaining access to
the actress.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I don't know why you can't get onto that war
Brothers lot.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Oh you can't not the first time.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That's time they're like, come on in. I would love
it if somebody was like, I got a knife, I
got us there. Oh well, then you should have said
that the last time you were here. Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
So he later said that he brought the knife because
he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant. The security weirdly
thought that he was just harmless and love sick, and
he was never reported to the police. Then, so, once
again very upset, he returned to Tucson and lost focus
on Schaeffer.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
For just a little while.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
His obsessions shifted towards pop singers Debbie Gibson and Tiffany.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, I mean minded too, but I was in a
fucking psychopath I.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Mean eighty five. Which else do we have, right? They
were on their mall tours.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, So during this period he was arrested three times
on charges including domestic violence and disorderly conduct. Okay, now
we're getting to the actual tragic event. And I hope
our listeners know and everybody knows that this it's I'm
I'm simply like the scary movie one, two, three, four actress.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Not five too old.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I did not understand that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, in all the scary movies. But so I don't
have it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But but fame.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Is an odd thing, and I don't think that. I hope,
I hope nobody comes over and does a ding.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Dong's so we can talk about this for happening.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Right, But I do, yes, But but the obsession with
fame is something that at times has freaked me out
just a little bit, not too much, because you know,
I'm simply that that other one that like a beautiful
twenty one year old who stars on a massive Well.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Honey, it's okay, you're not gonna see him arrogant?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh thank you are scared?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So on June third and ten, eighty nine, our Murder
turned his attention back to Rebecca after watching her in
the black comedy Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Have you seen that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's but is that the name of it? It's not
class Struggle on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's this is it?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, it's right, class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh do you guys want to fight?
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, that'd be amazing. What am I do?
Speaker 9 (11:28):
You?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
The one with Nick Nolty right now? This was like
a I'm sure it was like a B movie.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
So she had a scene in bed with a man
and yeah, and Bardo went into a jealous rage and
decided that she should be punished for becoming another Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Whore, not an arroant piece of shit.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I know.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
He believed that she had lost her innocence, so he
paid a detective agency two hundred fifty dollars to find
Shaeffer's home address in California DMV records, and Bardo's brother
helped him get a handgun because he was only nineteen.
I guess maybe in Tucson you can't get a gun
with I'm sure the laws of change.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You can get a gun now when you're nine. You
actually get one automatical when you're eight.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Years old, and automatic automatically.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So on July eighteenth, nineteen eighty nine, he traveled to
Los Angeles a third time.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I bet, do you think he drove or do you think.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
He took a bus?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I remember watching your bus and I remember watching like
a reenactment thing, and he's liked, do you do off
a bus like a greyhound?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Boy? Smells wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So we went to her apartment, which was in the
Fairfax District around six thirty am. Oh no, can you imagine?
So he rang the doorbell. The intercom was not working
that day.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That fucking manager, my career manager and detective need to
go on an island.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, to stay there. So Schaeffer was.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
She was up preparing for an audition for the role
and Godfather Part three.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, she was a so early. So she answered the door.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Barto showed Shaefer a letter an autograph that she had
previously sent him, probably through the agency that Lick sends
that stuff out. Rebecca thanked him and said she was
busy and had to go. So then Barto went to
a local diner and had breakfast, and he was very disappointed.
An hour later, ten fifteen am, he returned to Shaeffer's
apartment for the second time. Shaeffer answered the door.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Again. This is a weird detail.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I know, it's weird, wearing a black bathrobe, which maybe
she looked. Of course, she looked incredibly hot, and maybe
that agitated him even more. She was about to get
dressed for her audition. He pulled a gun from a
brown paper bag and shot her in the chest a
point blank range, in the doorway of her apartment building,
and Shaeffer apparently became screaming why she collapsed in her
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doorway As Bartow fled, A neighbor phoned paramedics, who arrived
to transfer to Cedar Sinai Medical and she was pronounced
dead thirty minutes after her arrival.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And she was twenty one when she died.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And so anyway, he was arrested a day later in Tucson, Arizona,
after motorists reported a man running through traffic on the
ten and he immediately confessed to the murder. So in
nineteen ninety one, he was brought to trial and prosecuted
by Marsha Clark.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Then whoa, yeah, that's so weird.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah, And during the trial, Barto claimed that the U
two song Exit was an influence in the murder.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
The song played in the courtroom as evidence.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Which one is that someone saying it to me, I
don't know every breath, I swear to guy, I feel
like you two would know so much trivia and sorry,
no I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, oh boy, it's so this is a hard one
for me to talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well they're all hard, aren't They're all awful. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
So, Bartow's attorneys argued that he was meant to ill,
that schizophrenia had led him to commit the murder. So
he was convicted of capital murder and he was sentenced
to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But here's the good.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Sort of good news after all of this is that
the Driver's Privacy Protection Act was enacted in nineteen ninety four,
which prevents the DMV from releasing private average addresses. So
there are now anti stocking laws in every state, and
in nineteen eighty nine, in the wake of the murder,
LA Police created the nation's first team specializing in stocking investigations. Also,
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California was the first state to criminalize stocking in the
United States in nineteen ninety following her murder in a
string of other high profile assaults. But also that also
came on the heels of Teresa Seldana. So that is
something that I just resonates with me just because of
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the obsession I guess with fame and how scary sometimes
it can be when people feel very familiar with you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, they know you, so it's not weird to
them that they're coming to talk to you and they
don't ever flip it and see that it's like something
out of the blue. Also, it just kills me because
that idea of like you move to LA you get
a job, you get like a good apartment, and you're
in that mode. I'm sure she didn't think I'm famous,
because she was like it was like, you know, she's
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on that show, maybe she's in she's in one movie
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But I feel like in La, you get people talk
to you a lot less, like they know that you know.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And I think that people maybe think that, like like
I imagine now, like at the time, she probably was making
a nice.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Chunk of change, but probably not enough.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
She was still living in an apartment, an unsecured apartment, right,
and because why wouldn't she necessarily be And I just
want you two to know that I have a fucking
ton of cameras.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Around too, that's fucking right. So yeah, either of you
try to take me out, I've already s painted over
half of them.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm finished or this, well, listen, like I want to reiterate,
I'm forty. You know, it's not the sexiest of murders.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
If somebody comes, I'll.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Just say, to make you feel better, it took me
fucking forever to find this.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Out, so I think you're oak. Even if they could
break into.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It, Yeah, give them the address and be like, I
bet you can't find it ahead challenge it is.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I mean, it's just super said.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Sometimes those are the only high lights of when we
tell our stories. Is stuff like that, where you know,
it's such a tragedy that Rebecca Schaeffer had to die,
but then they finally were like, Oh, that's right. You
shouldn't be able to know anyone's address, and you shouldn't
be able to walk up to anybody's house, and you
shouldn't If you tell eight people that you're obsessed with somebody,
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that should count against you. You know, talking is a
very serious thing.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's not that wasn't and it's probably still not taken
seriously by a lot of law enforcement officials.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well it is the point. Yeah, yeah, like you were.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Saying that it hasn't been taken seriously because there's so
much ego involved, Like there's a dismissal of that, especially
as a woman.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Having said that if anyone out there would like to stock.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Me, no, please submit your application, no, no, let us know,
cancel history of violence.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Wow, that's I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I know, I know, so sad, But like you were saying,
Karen that thankfully it's changed some things.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And also the Teresa Saldonna story is so insane. I
saw that as a kid on TV. The that's Dominique
dominic Dunn's daughter, Dominique.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
No, it's it was.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It was the woman who was the wife in Raging Bull.
So she was just starting her acting career. And getting
kind of amazing parts. And she also had a stalker
and she and he did the exact same thing. He
walked up to her apartment door and stabbed her. And
actually the Collagan Man was walking up delivering water to
somebody else's apartment and he got I think he saved her.
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He either pulled the guy off of her or like
got her. Like he the Coulagan Man saved her life.
And she you know, went on to advocate for all
those laws too.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's like the end of so many of our stories
are like, you know, the the victim's family then went
on to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Do great things amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's like the only way I feel like you can
personally survive these horrific things happening is if you tried
to make it worth, like.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Make their the tragedy where like hopefully prevention of like
we did that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
We've done the Amber Amber, Alert Girl Amber, and we
did Megan's Law.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know. But that's why I keep the guillotine though
outside the house.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Warning.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
This is a kind of like a simple yeah, warning, yeah,
come fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, here's what I'm like, that X.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Guy standing there, like I just have something just working
fucking with me. Oh, you're bringing me my clothes? Yeah,
all right, okay, I'll take.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
This, but don't fuck with me, but give me my
fucking boots. Georgie. What do you have for us?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, I have a serial killer I'd never ever heard
of in one of those like there's just some this
BuzzFeed or web some website that I found that like
like the craziest murderer in every state, and this guy
was Florida, So you know, he's fucking top notch, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I love it that we have like like Washington crazy
serial killers and then float like it's a yeah, I
love it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And we're doing three shows in Florida, And Florida was
like when are you gonna come to do a live
show here?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And we're like, you have the best murders.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Were coming there for three shows, like no other state
that we're doing three shows in all right, September fifteenth,
two thousand and four. So friends of Michelle Jones, she's
a pretty vivacious thirty seven year old executive at the
Golf Channel in Orlando, were worried because they couldn't reach her,
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which is like the beginning of every murder story, right,
Michelle's aunt and uncle, Charlie Brandt and Terry Helfrich, were
staying with her for a few days because they had
been evacuated from their home in a seafront villa near
Key West. There was Hurricane Ivan was coming and they
had any walk out of there. Michelle is like, the
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niece and their very.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Ly sexy name for hurricane.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Sorry, Ivan, Ivan, did you hear the thing about how
hurricane's name was named after women?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Kill more people?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, because they don't take them seriously. People don't take
them seriously when they named after women. Anyway, d D
da da. She's close with her aunt and uncle. She
invited in to stay with them. So Michelle's mother, who
is Terry the aunt's sister, called one of Michelle's friends
and was like, can you go check on her? So
the friend finds their mail overflowing newspapers from days earlier
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on the lawn. No one's answering the door. When she knocks,
the door's locked. She walks around to the garage, sees
lights on through the windows. There's cars parked in the driveway,
so she calls the cops. They arrive, They enter the
home and quickly run back out and vomit in the yard,
horrified by what they had found inside. So inside, reclining
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on the couch is the body of Michelle's aunt, Charlie's wife,
Aunt Terry. She's been stabbed seven times in the chest,
and then her clothes had been removed, but she hadn't
been sexually assaulted. In the bedroom is Michelle's body. She'd
been stabbed only once, but then she had been disemboweled.
Her heart and organs had been removed, and she had
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also been decapitated, and her head was sitting next to
her body.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He did lead with that part. There's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
This is like kicking us through the house. We're going room,
but we're going.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Karen was like, should we warn people about the murders first,
and I was like, don't remind. It's way fucking worse,
so we should warn this. So her head's next to
her body. The weapons that have been using the crime
were the knives from her own kitchen. Then in the garage,
Uncle Charlie we find in a state of decomposition because
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of the heat. Uncle Charlie's body is hanging from his
neck by a sheet from the rafters. He's dead. And
then the investigators determined that it was a suicide. So
there's no like it, right, I mean, there's no suicide note,
and there's no way of knowing exactly what happened. But
because of the lack of a break in or any
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other explanation, they conclude that Charlie was the murderer and
it had been a murder suicide. So Uncle Charlie, I'm
gonna call him that because it's easier to remember him.
He's described by all as a mild mannered, loving husband,
all around good guy. They all aren't. They always called that,
but he was known as being a bit of an
oddball and eccentric. But by all accounts, including Aunt Terry's
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best friend, Charlie loved her very deeply and the couple
was inseparable. No one ever detected any problems or saw
a fight in the relationship or anyone's temper. In fact,
here's something annoying. They would make each other's lunches every
morning because they said that lunch made by food made
by someone you love, tastes better than when you make
it yourself. Which can you imagine that couple? And you're like,
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can you guys shut the fuck up and just like
eat your lunch.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It sounds like like a great way to make some
like make your food for you.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I want a peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But I love the way it's tasting you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's so much better when you do it all the chores,
when you wouldn't freeze my chicken nuggets. When the investigators
began to look into the murder suicide, Uncle Charlie's older
sister Angela is like, hold up, I got to tell
you guys something. This has been a secret family secret
for thirty years. Here we go yep. Nineteen seventy one.
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Uncle Charlie is just thirteen. His father had recently killed
his dog during a hunting trip with Charlie. The dad
says he did it on accident, but he had shot
the dog twice. And also Uncle Charlie has some difficulty
with school assignments, struggling to maintain his grades, but he
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was reportedly a really bright kid. So on the evening
of January third, nineteen seventy one, while his dad so
his dad's in the bathroom shaving, his mother, who's eight
months pregnant, is soaking in the bathtub. Charlie gets up
from his homework, randomly grabs a nine millimeter handgun from
his father's nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his
father in the back. Then he walks to his mother,
(25:54):
who's in the bathtub. She says no, Charlie, no, but
he fires at her until there's no more bullets left.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
This is really fucked up. I should have started with that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I'm sorry that this is that's it after everything else.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
It's more or less fucked up than most of your
murders that you do on your shows.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's exactly the same. Yeah, it's pretty right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Next, he goes to his fifteen year old sister, Angela's room.
Angela is the one telling the cops about this case.
He goes to her room, points the gun at her,
and tries to fire. He didn't even know that the
gun was empty, and she said that he looked like
he was in a trance, so he might not even
have been aware that this was like going on and
his gun was empty. They start to wrestle. Angela tries
to talk Charlie down. She tells him that she loves
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him and we're run away with him, But as soon
as she gets a chance, she runs to a neighbor's house,
screaming for help. Charlie's mom dies, but his father survives,
and from the hospital bed, says he has no idea
why his son would ever commit such an act. When
Charlie's evaluated by psychologists, they see those signs of a
diagnosable mental illness. They can't pinpoint a motive for the
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shooting at all. By all accounts, He's like, I loved
my family. I have no idea why they did this.
So they they said they were going to prosecute They
weren't going to prosecute him because of that and his age,
because he's not responsible for his actions.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
But instead they send him to a psychiatric clinic.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
His father visits him very often, and after a year,
his dad is able to have him released to his
custody and the whole family moves to Florida to get
away from the town's scrutiny, and the murder of his
mother is not spoken of again, to the point where
his two younger sisters, who were super young when the
bomb was murdered, didn't even know about it. They thought
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their mom had died in a car accident until the
murder suicide. When Angela told the cops. They didn't know
a thing. Charlie gets excellent grades in school. He becomes
a radar technician engineer. He finds the note from the
BTK killer in the library.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's right, that was his favorite book, referencing the old
episode Oh shit, I forgot that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's a week later, Angela, his sister, marries a dude
named Jim, finds out about the brother Charlie murdering their mom,
still becomes good friends with him. So once Jim, his
brother in law, and Angela are getting a divorce, on
the topic of revenge, Uncle Charlie says, well, you know,
the perfect revenge is you kill someone and you cut
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their heart out and then you eat it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
That's the perfect revenge.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Whoa oll get it?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But Jim, despite that, sets Charlie Uncle Charlie up with
a friend of his new girlfriend. This friend is aunt Terry.
After six months, they get married. Can you imagine setting
your fucking friend up with someone who said that? No, no,
that's the correct answer. No, a fucking tii not. Let's see,
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then we don't know if Terry knew or not about
the murder of the mother. And okay, so let's go
back to two thousand and four, post murder suicide, the
police find out about the fucked up stuff from Charlie's pass,
they begin to take a closer look at the murders
of his wife and niece.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So can I really quick ask a question always I
just don't understand. As a kid, he kills his own mother, huh,
tries to kill his father and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
His sister, and his sister but the sister lives.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, So then he just goes to a psychiatric hospital
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And then they're just like business as usual, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Less than business as usual, like hiding stuff. And the
dad is like, the way that this is speculation that
could get me sued. Can I do this?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Of course if I preemptively.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We have a lawyer in the room.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He must have been some shit must have been going
on in that household that his dad was like, Nope,
I want my kid out of there. Everything's fine, you
know what I mean? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, molestation.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Wait, will you spell it out for me again? Said
the actual word? I think that wink? This The word
was wink. He winked at his son alive. He nudged his.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Kid too much, winking and nudging. I don't know, man,
it just seems a little too So.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You think the dog thing was almost just like the
straw that broke the camel's back, But really.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He was being molested.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, and that's why the father wouldn't turn him in,
because that all would come out.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And then we have that thing about like if someone's
molesting if you know, like killing the mother as well
is always like a really weird thing because if you
have an issue with your dad, why would you you know,
the mother would never step in that kind of thing.
Speculation your honor?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
M hmm, okay, please approach the bench, all right, Okay,
So they begin to take a closer look. They note
that the amputations inflicted on Michelle deniset were not amateur,
but were accomplished with skill and experience.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
They searched the couple's house.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The couple's house is still born, it up from the hurricane,
and they find a bunch of fuck up stuff. They
find the bedroom door, so bedroom doors open. I never
closed my bedroom door when they open it. On the
back of the bedroom door is a really creepy illustration
poster of the female muscular and skeletal system and she
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has like a bun on her head and it's like
a cartoon drawing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's like so creepy. It's not just a skeleton.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It's like a female skeleton with a face and muscles.
So it's like one of those weird you know that
vanity oh when you like a pop up book kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Well, no, I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
There was actually an art installation of a guy who'll
just like remember the thing, and I was just like,
that person is a serial killer that made this who
would want to go and like m show what people
look like with no skin.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Like embalming someone and then putting it up his art
but really just skinning them. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I got nauseous at that art installation quote unquote and
had to leave.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
It was so disturbing that.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
One of like the human yeah bodies.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I saw it in New York. And I don't have
too many regrets in life. I mean I should, I should,
but that one is one of my regrets.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, considering how much I can read and watch and
look at I look at crime scene photos and shit
like that was really fucking They still had.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Like hair well and there was all these like these
ethical issues of how the bodies were y were they Yeah, yeah,
and apparently whatever, and I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Would do it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's so weird and he would go to it like
we don't need to know that. Well, apparently Charlie did.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
So.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And also despite not being in the medical profession. Of course,
there were books on human anatomy and a bookshelf, and
one of them contained a newspaper clipping of a labeled
illustration of the human heart.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
He also subscribed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Here's What's Fucking Creepy to Victoria's Secret magazine, and it
was like her catalog. It was like in his name
that wasn't to his wife. And his nickname for his
niece Michelle, who he killed, was Victorious he called her,
which is like, don't.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's not a nickname. It says, it's not shorter her name. No,
it's not even closed.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
They checked out his computer.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
There was a bunch of erotic websites related to sacrifice, violence, necrophilia,
containing photos of torture, rape, and violent deaths, depicting female autopsies.
They're all staged. Don't worry, uh, living models made to
look dead. And they came to the conclusion that Charlie
was obsessed with his niece Michelle, had a premeditation and
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had premeditated the murders, and that he was also obsessed
with human anatomy, especially the female humanity. Due to what
they found in his house, as well as the observation
that the murder of his wife's wife and niece seemed
to be the work of a skilled and practice killer,
police began to look into previously unsolved cold cases in
the area and also in the areas where he would
travel for work, which he did a lot, because I
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guess engineers travel for work a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They train engineers. Come on, toot, what's the you know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They sent out a description of them distin bowel, decapitated,
clean cut, surgical precision, and they quickly got a ton
of hits from other police stations. So his ties to
an additional murder were uncovered by not investigators, but by
the producers of the show forty eight Hours, which is like,
(34:29):
fuck yeah, there's a really good episode of this on
forty eight Hours. They passed along the information of the authorities.
So in July nineteen eighty nine off Big Pine Key, Florida,
two fishermen found the body.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Of Sherry Parisho.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
She was thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
She lived in a small boat and had been seen
riding her bike earlier that day. She'd been in the
water dead no longer than twelve hours, and the site
her body was found at was one thousand feet away
from Charlie Brandt's big pine key a thousand feet away.
Her head had been severed and her heart had been removed,
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and Charlie resembled a sketch of a man seen crossing
the US one near the near by on the night
of the murder. And Jim, the fucking dude who set
them up, who had set them up, said Terry told
him that Charlie came home that night wet and covered
with blood around the timeshare. He was killed, and she
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was like, what the fuck? And he was like, I
was fishing and I killed some fish and then I
November nineteen ninety five, along the Miami Dade County Highway
that Charlie would have had to use to get in
and out of the keys, the mutilated body of Darlene Toller.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
She was thirty five.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
She was discovered in a plastic bag, and her head
and heart were missing as well. So since then, twenty
six murders going back as far what as nineteen seventy three,
which is when his dad checked him out of the
insane asylum and took him to Florida, So that means
he was fifteen years old. They have had possible links
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to Charlie, but six murders have been positively identified and
ascribed to Charlie. So Charlie Brant the fucking serial killer
that I had never heard of, a possibility of twenty
six murders going back from when he was fifteen years old,
two years after he killed his fucking pregnant mother.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's it. The head and the heart, huh in the heart?
Fuck they named that Bambi.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, I know the heart in the hunter. Oh no,
there's an actual ye.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, I've never heard of that guy. Oh right, yeah,
that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Oh and he was like, he looks so much like
my cousin. Creeps me out, Like my cousin could play
him in a movie.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I also feel like that lesson of like if somebody
just shoot gets up as a thirteen year old and
shoots a bunch of people in their family, you can
pretty much assume.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's not going to end there.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
No, And I think the psychiatry psychologists were like this
is going to happen again, but his dad was like nope,
taking them into custody.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, it's crazy, man, And how could.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
There not be one little thing that the psychologists found
that we're like, well, here's like everything's fine. Nope, he
just killed his parents once, but everything else is fine.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's impossible, I do.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, it does feel like I think maybe now I
like to think that there's like people are much more
aware of warning signs.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But it's disturbing that even.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
As recently as back in the nineties, like the warning
signs are like, well, well.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You know, people get better.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I suppose, Yeah, let's have a positive attitude about this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Guy apartment and he'll be fine. Great.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, yeah, crazy, Well, thank you for your really latest
favorite murderer.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
There's no real way to transition into a call from this.
Huh oh believe me? How do our shows are so different? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I'm a Taurus. Stop okay, I'm as sad. Oh I
have no idea what the fox is? No, what do
I want?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I don't either. You know, I'm a Gemini, are you?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
We're so much fun because we're fucking batch.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I saw I actually saw a thing I had a
list of like the most well known serial killers, and
most of them are Geminis.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
It's Gemini or Virgo Virgo. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Gemini men are specifically or particularly crazy. Gemini girls are
just fun drunks. No, I love you all right, well,
because I'm the When someone says that to you, it's
because you're crazy person.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Are we ready to calla Yeah, yeah, she's in Ohio
when she's twenty eight, aren't we all?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Hey, Leah, how are you? It's sim heh, Hi, sim
how are you? I'm going to introduce you to honor
right now.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Hi Leah, Hi Anna, thank you so much for you know,
being with us here tonight.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
So Anna, can you introduce our special guests.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
We have Karen and Georgia from My Favorite Murder, which
is an awesome Hi podcast.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Hi, Hi, it is Hi Hileiah Riah.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You wrote us.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
You wrote us asking if it's okay to hook up
with your cheating friend's ex husband. Tell us her story.
Your story is kind of yeah, this is interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
This is fun. Start from the beginning.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Okay, So two years ago I was training a new
girl at the place where I worked then, and her
name was Danny and she had just moved to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And she had.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Moved to be with her fiance, and we found out
that her fiance was like one of my old friends
from high school. So Jamie and I we became really close.
I mean we were doing everything together immediately. We just
got along so well, and so we became friends and
it was really fun. It was so fun to hang
out with her and her fiance because you know, we
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had a past history too. So Jamie and dust and
her fiance they started to have some problems, and I
was the first person to give them advice about them.
We kind of lost touch, Janie and I did when
I started a new job that was kind of farther away,
but I would stop in every once in a while
to my old job and just sear and see how
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she was doing. The one day I stopped in and
she told me that her and Dustin were getting a divorce,
and I told her, you know, whatever I can do
to help. So the next time that I stopped in,
she was there and she looked kind of nervous, and
I found out why soon enough. It was because her
new boyfriend was there. And it was a boyfriend that
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she met while she and Dustin were married, so they
were together, and I found out she had told me
then that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
She had cheated on Dustin.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
She had cheated with him with two different guys, and
starting three months into their marriage. They got divorced about
a year later. So Dustin had gotten the hold of
me because I was kind of I was going through
some stuff and he was going through some stuff, and
we caught up and we ended up starting to hook up.
And I've been so torn about it because I want
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to be a good friend, and I guess I've never
been in a situation like this before, so it's all
kind of weird. Eventually, I thought, you know, I have
to at least ask her if we can be friends,
and so I did, and she actually she hasn't talked
to me since. She was so mad at me for
even asking.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Sorry with Dustin exactly right, Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
For Dustin and I to be friend. Yeah, yeah, to
hang out, she got she got really mad. Yeah, and
we haven't talked since. So I guess that's kind of
where I'm at. Is number one. I don't know, is
it okay for thats and then I to be hooking up.
It's the best sex that I've ever.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Had in my life nice to me.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
I mean like, that's yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, honey.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
So there's that, and then and and it's also it's
something that I would never ever do. I would never
hook up with a friend's ex in different circumstances, ever,
I think, And then you know, could I tell her?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I guess we've got some answers.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah. Ready, there's such a sweet You're not a bad person.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
A dude would never be asking these questions. And women,
we beat ourselves up so fucking much.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Here's the thing. She cheated on him. Uh not, it
didn't even matter what she did because you already had
a relationship with him. You already knew him before, so
she was the new friend and then she got rid
of him. So that's like you, it doesn't matter what
happens after that, because if that relationship ends, you get
(43:11):
to do whatever you want. And her being mad at
you after she cheated on him and then has someone
else in her life to even want to be friends
with him, that is insane. I think you're going by
her rules and you're kind of like taking her framework
of the situation then going is this okay? Because she
said it isn't. It's abs a fucking lutely.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, And it doesn't sound like someone that I would
really want to be friends with anyways, So you checking
you checking in with her and is so sweet and
generous but not necessary. You don't, you don't owe her anything,
and you know you guys are you're not going to
get married maybe, but you're getting your fucking sexual healing
and it has nothing to do with her in any way.
(43:53):
And cheating on someone's three months into a wedding, you
know that's probably not a marriage. It's not the first
time she did that. For probably it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what she does, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It's so true because it sounds like, you know, you
might not value her friendship as much as you do
like other friendships or relationships, and life is fucking short,
and I don't. I don't think you owe her anything.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean in this situation, it's I think it's interesting the.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Idea that.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
They broke up. I mean, that was over right, So
it's not she wasn't. She didn't get this girl didn't
get cheated on by the guy that you're hooking up with.
So the idea that she's mad at you, when she
is absolutely not the victim in this situation. She she
went and did exactly what she wanted. So why don't
you get to because you should get to And if
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you want to get together with that guy.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You should get to. Dude, get to know your fucking
body with a man that you did.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
He was nice to you, And I think I happened
so far.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
So yeah, I was like, I think you wouldn't have
called an asked this if you didn't know somewhere in
your mind that something was really off about.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This, and I did.
Speaker 9 (45:09):
Yeah, I felt like it was. But I was surprised
that the few people that I kind of ran it
bied I got really a mixed answers, and I think
that's what made me so confused about it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
But people are answering based on their own history, not
on the situation.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, that's what everybody does.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah right, Yeah, if any of my girlfriends who I
cared about and loved wanted to hook up with my
exes who are good people, I would be so happy
for them me.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Too, Yeah exactly, I would too.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I think that's adult reaction, right, Yeah, So she might
be having more of a high school weird reaction.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
It's like when you get an awesome pair of boots
and your friend is like.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I really like this.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Boots would be okay if I also bought those, and
some people would be like no, and other people are like, fuck, yeah,
I'm so glad you like these.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
They're so comfortable your feet are gonna feel amazed, and
you celebrate it like oh.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But it's also the thing.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I think.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
It's also the thing of uh.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
It's weird to think that you can make friends with, say,
a narcissist. It's weird to think that you could have
a good time and have a good relationship with a
person who's actually, deep down incredibly selfish or incredibly self serving.
So I think you you're having doubts because the two
of you hit it off and had a good time.
But maybe a lot of the reason you had such
a good time with her is because the boyfriend was
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there who you really liked and maybe have liked for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So he evened it out the fact that she fucking
kind of sucked.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Did Yeah, we had a lot of fun all together,
and I didn't. I mean, Shana, I got got really
close in a different way. But yeah, that's I never
even thought about that before.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
You're not a bad person, just like you know, we've
been telling you, but we have been talking about bad people, but.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You are not one to know. You're nowhere near it.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
No, And the fact that you even if you're a
bad person or not based on this, I think proves
to us that you're not.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
You're a wonderful person.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yeah and no, yeah, yeah, please like enjoy yourself. I
don't know, life is short, ye, I don't think you
have to like I would like encourage you to distance
yourself and you know you already have already from from
the friend the gal. But but also you know, I
don't know how much social media has to play in
(47:27):
all of this, but I would also encourage like easing
up on any of that because that always gets anybody
into trouble.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
But I would I would just like, yeah, have have
I don't know, I don't know. You're in your twenties, yep,
get your nut yet yours? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:44):
Well, Leah, I think this is pretty obvious you're at
Are you okay with this?
Speaker 9 (47:48):
Just?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (47:49):
I had? I mean, thank you, Yeah, I do. I
feel a lot better.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, we love you. Thank you?
Speaker 9 (47:57):
So much. I love you too.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
Bye, get you get late.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Yeah, all right, this is we're coming to us.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I guess the finger. Wow, that's it.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
That's the wrap it up things, giving us the finger. Yeah,
this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Guys, guys, thank you so much. It was so fun.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Thanks for being in my creepy house, in the creepy
room talking about incredibly creepy things.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
That's a thing, and you gave amazing advice.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
This is a lot of fun. I mean, let's do
this once a year if we can. You want total
for sure, once a week or once a year, we're
gonna be there. Let's perfect. This sounds good. Anything do
you want to tell people to follow you anywhere or anything?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I don't know. Sim is always telling me to do
this part.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
I don't I'm not really I stopped doing it. Yeah,
we have like social media on Instagram and stuff. I'm
sure you guys have it. Stephen Stephen okay, your producer
Stephen Raymore.
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Speaker 3 (48:54):
I don't like that's the I made it.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
I don't remember why we are.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
At Unqualified because we're promoting on your show as well, yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
We're going everyone find you, guys, they can find us.
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Speaker 3 (49:13):
Much, thank you so much, honest day sexy. Oh no,
let's go on and don't get murdered. That's how we
always end our Now you got yours. I always say
fuck you, sim fuck you, sim than you.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Sim don't get murdered that everyone they love you.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Listeners
You guys, we have some tour updates for you for
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We added a third show to.
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Freaking Show Tuesday September twelfth, Sydney, Australia at the Freaking
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Filmore in Detroit, Michigan.
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That's the second second night, Second show that night, Saturday
September thirtieth, Toronto, Canada. And then we have a couple
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Speaker 3 (00:42):
Sorry, it's okay, I go you got it all right?
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And then we have a couple new tour dates Wednesday,
October eighteenth, Minneapolis.
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We will be there. Does that say Minneapolis mission say Minneapolis, Michigan.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Then that's why I didn't say it. Wait, where's Minneapolis?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Shit?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
George on Real Arts Minneapolis, Michigan, Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
I know that one. Yes, I'm going to Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It's not just okay.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So we're going to be in Minneapolis on Mission Day,
October eighteenth.
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Yeah, Saturday November eleventh, Dallas, Texas, there's a late show.
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And also Saturday, December ninth will be in Kansas City.
We're adding a late show at the Midland Theater.
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Speaker 5 (01:56):
Right.
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Speaker 6 (02:02):
Bye, sim this is when you're supposed to talk.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
Well, this is part two. I'm excited that we're all
back here. Thank you for showing up again.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
No, problem is a long drive, but worth it. It's
so crazy you're wearing the same and well, I love it.
Oh this is my Thursday shirt.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
All right.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
So we're going to start with Anna first. She's gonna
do her favorite murder. After that we'll go to Georgia.
You'll do yours. We have one more advice call, and
then we're done with the show.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, are we calling this my favorite unqualified?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
My favorite unqualified?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I love it already, can I. I didn't mean to
cut you off, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
There was nothing else.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I wish you would just start.
Speaker 8 (02:57):
Okay, So I have to tell you, though, I have
to qualify this with This is actually like a story
that I remember very vividly and and kind of has
sort of haunted me throughout Hollywood and like, and the
idea of sort of becoming well known, shall we say famous?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my god, my god, I think I think I
might maybe I have two ideas of what it could be.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's it's like, as all these stories are horribly tragic.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh, I know you do, I that idea?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What not?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Excited?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
No, no, it's it's terrifying because you know I live here,
like whatever like in a weird hall, like anything. And
anytime there's a dang dong in the back of my mind,
this story comes up a little bit, which is Rebecca Schaeffer.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh shit, is that what you were going to guess?
You were, Karen, you were gonna guess it?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
It was either Rebecca Shaeffer or Teresa Saldana as the
other one.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yes, I was going to get Sharon Tate. So oh,
I couldn't go quite there. But this is this is
one of the most well, they're all tragic stories, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So sad?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Okay so.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Rebecca was born November sixth, nineteen sixty seven and raised
in Portland, Organ And she wanted to grow up being
a rabbi, But when she was fourteen years old, her
good looks caught the attention of a cattle call, which
my good looks never caught the attention of a cattle.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Call, of a temple of a rabbi.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Hey at a local modeling agency. Less than two years later,
in nineteen eighty four, after appearing in a number of
Portland area publications, she went to New York to pursue
her modeling career. Her modeling career didn't take off, due
to being only five foot seven.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Which poor thing gross, So she decided to.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Focus on acting, quickly, appearing in television commercials, seventeen magazine
Woody Allen's film Radio Days in One Life to Live.
So she became very successfula she was a stunningly Who was.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
She in Radio Day?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It was cut? Oh, son of a Bitch.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Some Movie's so good.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
In nineteen eighty six, at the age of eighteen, her
work caught the attention of Los Angeles casting directors, and
she was cast in the CBS sitcom My Sister Sam,
playing the character of Patty Sam's Sam's next door, Sam's
girl next door sister?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
What the fuck?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Who wrote this? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Okay, anyway, now she's living in La Rebecca was on
the fast.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Track to stardom.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Can I just say that My sister and I loved
my Sister Sam from the second it came out. We
loved her so much. She was just one of She
looks like one of those classical American girls, curly hair,
great face, beautiful, but also like sweet. Yeah, you could
feel her positive because I watched it too, and you
could feel like her.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't know. I hate to say positive energy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That sounds like a very la thing to say, but
a warmth she had this Sandra Bullockfield to her.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, like oh I'm friends with her already.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Yeah. So now we have the stalker. The stalker comes
into play.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
A fucking stalker.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Robert John Bardow So he was a nineteen year old
Tucson resident. Barto repeatedly had a troubled childhood, an alcoholic
mom and mentally ill father. He was abused by one
of his siblings and placed in foster care after he
threatened to commit suicide. He was diagnosed with manic depression
and at one time institutionalized for a month for emotional problems.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Don't put your fucking kid with foster care if he
wants to kill himself.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
No kidding.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So beyond that timeline, beyond that he says here on
my info sheet. Beyond that tim time professional codammit. Beyond
that tim.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Time he received professional help.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But okay, back to my sweet Rebecca. At age sixteen,
before stocking Rebecca, he stalked a child peace.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Activist, which I always thought was an interesting detail. How
do you find the child peace activist?
Speaker 5 (07:07):
But anyway, so t is something wonderful woman named Samantha Smith,
who tragically died in a nineteen eighty five plane crash,
which weirdly was a year of a lot of plane crashes.
Eighty five, Yeah, nineteen eighty five, John Edver, I don't know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Probably don't ask me too any questions. I'm just I
just gotta read the tim time sheet.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
Okay, Karen usually knows whose weird obscure facts I was
scraping my brain.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was that the one where the rugby teammate each other?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Maybe, babe, Yeah, it could be that counts for three,
that one.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Anyway, So this fella bardo, he was lonely, and he
spent a lot of time watching television.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Believe it or not, he discovered Rebecca sitcom my sister Sam,
and he became pretty smitten. He saw her as a beauty,
He saw a beautiful and hosts wholesome. Wholesome, Oh god,
can I even say that again?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Wholesome?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
That's like how you describe oatmeal. But innocent, I think
is sort of the major point that we will get
to later. And he collected her magazine covers and talked
about her as if they were friends. I don't know
who you talked to her about because I don't think
he had a lot of friends.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Maybe he just the gross Speaks store clerk.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he's livery bought the magazine from so Over the
course of three years, he wrote, you know, a ton
of letters to Rebecca, and one letter was answered by
an employee of Schaeffer's Rebecca Shaffer's fan club, and he
was encouraged by that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
He came to Los Angeles hoping to meet her on
the set of her sitcom My Sister Sam, but he
was turned away by Warner Brothers security.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
He was pissed.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
He returned a month later armed with a knife, but
security guards once again prevented him from gaining access to
the actress.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I don't know why you can't get onto that war
Brothers lot.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Oh you can't not the first time.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That's time they're like, come on in. I would love
it if somebody was like, I got a knife, I
got us there. Oh well, then you should have said
that the last time you were here. Okay.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
So he later said that he brought the knife because
he thought Rebecca was becoming too arrogant. The security weirdly
thought that he was just harmless and love sick, and
he was never reported to the police. Then, so, once
again very upset, he returned to Tucson and lost focus
on Schaeffer.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
For just a little while.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
His obsessions shifted towards pop singers Debbie Gibson and Tiffany.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Oh, I mean minded too, but I was in a
fucking psychopath I.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Mean eighty five. Which else do we have, right? They
were on their mall tours.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, So during this period he was arrested three times
on charges including domestic violence and disorderly conduct. Okay, now
we're getting to the actual tragic event. And I hope
our listeners know and everybody knows that this it's I'm
I'm simply like the scary movie one, two, three, four actress.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Not five too old.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I did not understand that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, in all the scary movies. But so I don't
have it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But but fame.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Is an odd thing, and I don't think that. I hope,
I hope nobody comes over and does a ding.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Dong's so we can talk about this for happening.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Right, But I do, yes, But but the obsession with
fame is something that at times has freaked me out
just a little bit, not too much, because you know,
I'm simply that that other one that like a beautiful
twenty one year old who stars on a massive Well.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Honey, it's okay, you're not gonna see him arrogant?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Oh thank you are scared?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
So on June third and ten, eighty nine, our Murder
turned his attention back to Rebecca after watching her in
the black comedy Class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Have you seen that? Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
It's but is that the name of it? It's not
class Struggle on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
It's this is it?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, it's right, class Struggle in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Oh do you guys want to fight?
Speaker 9 (11:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, that'd be amazing. What am I do?
Speaker 9 (11:28):
You?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
The one with Nick Nolty right now? This was like
a I'm sure it was like a B movie.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Sorry.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
So she had a scene in bed with a man
and yeah, and Bardo went into a jealous rage and
decided that she should be punished for becoming another Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Whore, not an arroant piece of shit.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I know.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
He believed that she had lost her innocence, so he
paid a detective agency two hundred fifty dollars to find
Shaeffer's home address in California DMV records, and Bardo's brother
helped him get a handgun because he was only nineteen.
I guess maybe in Tucson you can't get a gun
with I'm sure the laws of change.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You can get a gun now when you're nine. You
actually get one automatical when you're eight.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Years old, and automatic automatically.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
So on July eighteenth, nineteen eighty nine, he traveled to
Los Angeles a third time.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
I bet, do you think he drove or do you think.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
He took a bus?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
I remember watching your bus and I remember watching like
a reenactment thing, and he's liked, do you do off
a bus like a greyhound?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Like?
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Boy? Smells wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
So we went to her apartment, which was in the
Fairfax District around six thirty am. Oh no, can you imagine?
So he rang the doorbell. The intercom was not working
that day.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That fucking manager, my career manager and detective need to
go on an island.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, to stay there. So Schaeffer was.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
She was up preparing for an audition for the role
and Godfather Part three.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Oh, she was a so early. So she answered the door.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Barto showed Shaefer a letter an autograph that she had
previously sent him, probably through the agency that Lick sends
that stuff out. Rebecca thanked him and said she was
busy and had to go. So then Barto went to
a local diner and had breakfast, and he was very disappointed.
An hour later, ten fifteen am, he returned to Shaeffer's
apartment for the second time. Shaeffer answered the door.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Again. This is a weird detail.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
I know, it's weird, wearing a black bathrobe, which maybe
she looked. Of course, she looked incredibly hot, and maybe
that agitated him even more. She was about to get
dressed for her audition. He pulled a gun from a
brown paper bag and shot her in the chest a
point blank range, in the doorway of her apartment building,
and Shaeffer apparently became screaming why she collapsed in her
(13:53):
doorway As Bartow fled, A neighbor phoned paramedics, who arrived
to transfer to Cedar Sinai Medical and she was pronounced
dead thirty minutes after her arrival.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
And she was twenty one when she died.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And so anyway, he was arrested a day later in Tucson, Arizona,
after motorists reported a man running through traffic on the
ten and he immediately confessed to the murder. So in
nineteen ninety one, he was brought to trial and prosecuted
by Marsha Clark.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Then whoa, yeah, that's so weird.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah, And during the trial, Barto claimed that the U
two song Exit was an influence in the murder.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
The song played in the courtroom as evidence.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Which one is that someone saying it to me, I
don't know every breath, I swear to guy, I feel
like you two would know so much trivia and sorry,
no I don't.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, oh boy, it's so this is a hard one
for me to talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well they're all hard, aren't They're all awful. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
So, Bartow's attorneys argued that he was meant to ill,
that schizophrenia had led him to commit the murder. So
he was convicted of capital murder and he was sentenced
to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
But here's the good.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Sort of good news after all of this is that
the Driver's Privacy Protection Act was enacted in nineteen ninety four,
which prevents the DMV from releasing private average addresses. So
there are now anti stocking laws in every state, and
in nineteen eighty nine, in the wake of the murder,
LA Police created the nation's first team specializing in stocking investigations. Also,
(15:36):
California was the first state to criminalize stocking in the
United States in nineteen ninety following her murder in a
string of other high profile assaults. But also that also
came on the heels of Teresa Seldana. So that is
something that I just resonates with me just because of
(15:56):
the obsession I guess with fame and how scary sometimes
it can be when people feel very familiar with you.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, they know you, so it's not weird to
them that they're coming to talk to you and they
don't ever flip it and see that it's like something
out of the blue. Also, it just kills me because
that idea of like you move to LA you get
a job, you get like a good apartment, and you're
in that mode. I'm sure she didn't think I'm famous,
because she was like it was like, you know, she's
(16:26):
on that show, maybe she's in she's in one movie
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But I feel like in La, you get people talk
to you a lot less, like they know that you know.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
And I think that people maybe think that, like like
I imagine now, like at the time, she probably was making
a nice.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Chunk of change, but probably not enough.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
She was still living in an apartment, an unsecured apartment, right,
and because why wouldn't she necessarily be And I just
want you two to know that I have a fucking
ton of cameras.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Around too, that's fucking right. So yeah, either of you
try to take me out, I've already s painted over
half of them.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm finished or this, well, listen, like I want to reiterate,
I'm forty. You know, it's not the sexiest of murders.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
If somebody comes, I'll.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Just say, to make you feel better, it took me
fucking forever to find this.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Out, so I think you're oak. Even if they could
break into.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
It, Yeah, give them the address and be like, I
bet you can't find it ahead challenge it is.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I mean, it's just super said.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Sometimes those are the only high lights of when we
tell our stories. Is stuff like that, where you know,
it's such a tragedy that Rebecca Schaeffer had to die,
but then they finally were like, Oh, that's right. You
shouldn't be able to know anyone's address, and you shouldn't
be able to walk up to anybody's house, and you
shouldn't If you tell eight people that you're obsessed with somebody,
(17:57):
that should count against you. You know, talking is a
very serious thing.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's not that wasn't and it's probably still not taken
seriously by a lot of law enforcement officials.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well it is the point. Yeah, yeah, like you were.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Saying that it hasn't been taken seriously because there's so
much ego involved, Like there's a dismissal of that, especially
as a woman.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Having said that if anyone out there would like to stock.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Me, no, please submit your application, no, no, let us know,
cancel history of violence.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Wow, that's I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I know, I know, so sad, But like you were saying,
Karen that thankfully it's changed some things.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And also the Teresa Saldonna story is so insane. I
saw that as a kid on TV. The that's Dominique
dominic Dunn's daughter, Dominique.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
No, it's it was.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It was the woman who was the wife in Raging Bull.
So she was just starting her acting career. And getting
kind of amazing parts. And she also had a stalker
and she and he did the exact same thing. He
walked up to her apartment door and stabbed her. And
actually the Collagan Man was walking up delivering water to
somebody else's apartment and he got I think he saved her.
(19:20):
He either pulled the guy off of her or like
got her. Like he the Coulagan Man saved her life.
And she you know, went on to advocate for all
those laws too.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
That's like the end of so many of our stories
are like, you know, the the victim's family then went
on to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Do great things amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's like the only way I feel like you can
personally survive these horrific things happening is if you tried
to make it worth, like.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Make their the tragedy where like hopefully prevention of like
we did that.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
We've done the Amber Amber, Alert Girl Amber, and we
did Megan's Law.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
You know. But that's why I keep the guillotine though
outside the house.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Warning.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
This is a kind of like a simple yeah, warning, yeah,
come fuck with me.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, here's what I'm like, that X.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Guy standing there, like I just have something just working
fucking with me. Oh, you're bringing me my clothes? Yeah,
all right, okay, I'll take.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
This, but don't fuck with me, but give me my
fucking boots. Georgie. What do you have for us?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, I have a serial killer I'd never ever heard
of in one of those like there's just some this
BuzzFeed or web some website that I found that like
like the craziest murderer in every state, and this guy
was Florida, So you know, he's fucking top notch, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I love it that we have like like Washington crazy
serial killers and then float like it's a yeah, I
love it.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And we're doing three shows in Florida, And Florida was
like when are you gonna come to do a live
show here?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And we're like, you have the best murders.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Were coming there for three shows, like no other state
that we're doing three shows in all right, September fifteenth,
two thousand and four. So friends of Michelle Jones, she's
a pretty vivacious thirty seven year old executive at the
Golf Channel in Orlando, were worried because they couldn't reach her,
(21:21):
which is like the beginning of every murder story, right,
Michelle's aunt and uncle, Charlie Brandt and Terry Helfrich, were
staying with her for a few days because they had
been evacuated from their home in a seafront villa near
Key West. There was Hurricane Ivan was coming and they
had any walk out of there. Michelle is like, the
(21:44):
niece and their very.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Ly sexy name for hurricane.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Sorry, Ivan, Ivan, did you hear the thing about how
hurricane's name was named after women?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Kill more people?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
No, because they don't take them seriously. People don't take
them seriously when they named after women. Anyway, d D
da da. She's close with her aunt and uncle. She
invited in to stay with them. So Michelle's mother, who
is Terry the aunt's sister, called one of Michelle's friends
and was like, can you go check on her? So
the friend finds their mail overflowing newspapers from days earlier
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on the lawn. No one's answering the door. When she knocks,
the door's locked. She walks around to the garage, sees
lights on through the windows. There's cars parked in the driveway,
so she calls the cops. They arrive, They enter the
home and quickly run back out and vomit in the yard,
horrified by what they had found inside. So inside, reclining
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on the couch is the body of Michelle's aunt, Charlie's wife,
Aunt Terry. She's been stabbed seven times in the chest,
and then her clothes had been removed, but she hadn't
been sexually assaulted. In the bedroom is Michelle's body. She'd
been stabbed only once, but then she had been disemboweled.
Her heart and organs had been removed, and she had
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also been decapitated, and her head was sitting next to
her body.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
He did lead with that part. There's a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
This is like kicking us through the house. We're going room,
but we're going.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Karen was like, should we warn people about the murders first,
and I was like, don't remind. It's way fucking worse,
so we should warn this. So her head's next to
her body. The weapons that have been using the crime
were the knives from her own kitchen. Then in the garage,
Uncle Charlie we find in a state of decomposition because
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of the heat. Uncle Charlie's body is hanging from his
neck by a sheet from the rafters. He's dead. And
then the investigators determined that it was a suicide. So
there's no like it, right, I mean, there's no suicide note,
and there's no way of knowing exactly what happened. But
because of the lack of a break in or any
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other explanation, they conclude that Charlie was the murderer and
it had been a murder suicide. So Uncle Charlie, I'm
gonna call him that because it's easier to remember him.
He's described by all as a mild mannered, loving husband,
all around good guy. They all aren't. They always called that,
but he was known as being a bit of an
oddball and eccentric. But by all accounts, including Aunt Terry's
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best friend, Charlie loved her very deeply and the couple
was inseparable. No one ever detected any problems or saw
a fight in the relationship or anyone's temper. In fact,
here's something annoying. They would make each other's lunches every
morning because they said that lunch made by food made
by someone you love, tastes better than when you make
it yourself. Which can you imagine that couple? And you're like,
(24:37):
can you guys shut the fuck up and just like
eat your lunch.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
It sounds like like a great way to make some
like make your food for you.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
I want a peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
But I love the way it's tasting you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's so much better when you do it all the chores,
when you wouldn't freeze my chicken nuggets. When the investigators
began to look into the murder suicide, Uncle Charlie's older
sister Angela is like, hold up, I got to tell
you guys something. This has been a secret family secret
for thirty years. Here we go yep. Nineteen seventy one.
(25:10):
Uncle Charlie is just thirteen. His father had recently killed
his dog during a hunting trip with Charlie. The dad
says he did it on accident, but he had shot
the dog twice. And also Uncle Charlie has some difficulty
with school assignments, struggling to maintain his grades, but he
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was reportedly a really bright kid. So on the evening
of January third, nineteen seventy one, while his dad so
his dad's in the bathroom shaving, his mother, who's eight
months pregnant, is soaking in the bathtub. Charlie gets up
from his homework, randomly grabs a nine millimeter handgun from
his father's nightstand, goes into the bathroom and shoots his
father in the back. Then he walks to his mother,
(25:54):
who's in the bathtub. She says no, Charlie, no, but
he fires at her until there's no more bullets left.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
This is really fucked up. I should have started with that.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
I'm sorry that this is that's it after everything else.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
It's more or less fucked up than most of your
murders that you do on your shows.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's exactly the same. Yeah, it's pretty right.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Next, he goes to his fifteen year old sister, Angela's room.
Angela is the one telling the cops about this case.
He goes to her room, points the gun at her,
and tries to fire. He didn't even know that the
gun was empty, and she said that he looked like
he was in a trance, so he might not even
have been aware that this was like going on and
his gun was empty. They start to wrestle. Angela tries
to talk Charlie down. She tells him that she loves
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him and we're run away with him, But as soon
as she gets a chance, she runs to a neighbor's house,
screaming for help. Charlie's mom dies, but his father survives,
and from the hospital bed, says he has no idea
why his son would ever commit such an act. When
Charlie's evaluated by psychologists, they see those signs of a
diagnosable mental illness. They can't pinpoint a motive for the
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shooting at all. By all accounts, He's like, I loved
my family. I have no idea why they did this.
So they they said they were going to prosecute They
weren't going to prosecute him because of that and his age,
because he's not responsible for his actions.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
But instead they send him to a psychiatric clinic.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
His father visits him very often, and after a year,
his dad is able to have him released to his
custody and the whole family moves to Florida to get
away from the town's scrutiny, and the murder of his
mother is not spoken of again, to the point where
his two younger sisters, who were super young when the
bomb was murdered, didn't even know about it. They thought
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their mom had died in a car accident until the
murder suicide. When Angela told the cops. They didn't know
a thing. Charlie gets excellent grades in school. He becomes
a radar technician engineer. He finds the note from the
BTK killer in the library.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's right, that was his favorite book, referencing the old
episode Oh shit, I forgot that.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It's a week later, Angela, his sister, marries a dude
named Jim, finds out about the brother Charlie murdering their mom,
still becomes good friends with him. So once Jim, his
brother in law, and Angela are getting a divorce, on
the topic of revenge, Uncle Charlie says, well, you know,
the perfect revenge is you kill someone and you cut
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their heart out and then you eat it.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
That's the perfect revenge.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Whoa oll get it?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But Jim, despite that, sets Charlie Uncle Charlie up with
a friend of his new girlfriend. This friend is aunt Terry.
After six months, they get married. Can you imagine setting
your fucking friend up with someone who said that? No, no,
that's the correct answer. No, a fucking tii not. Let's see,
(28:55):
then we don't know if Terry knew or not about
the murder of the mother. And okay, so let's go
back to two thousand and four, post murder suicide, the
police find out about the fucked up stuff from Charlie's pass,
they begin to take a closer look at the murders
of his wife and niece.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So can I really quick ask a question always I
just don't understand. As a kid, he kills his own mother, huh,
tries to kill his father and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
His sister, and his sister but the sister lives.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, So then he just goes to a psychiatric hospital
for a little while.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
And then they're just like business as usual, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Less than business as usual, like hiding stuff. And the
dad is like, the way that this is speculation that
could get me sued. Can I do this?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Of course if I preemptively.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
We have a lawyer in the room.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He must have been some shit must have been going
on in that household that his dad was like, Nope,
I want my kid out of there. Everything's fine, you
know what I mean? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, molestation.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Wait, will you spell it out for me again? Said
the actual word? I think that wink? This The word
was wink. He winked at his son alive. He nudged his.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Kid too much, winking and nudging. I don't know, man,
it just seems a little too So.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You think the dog thing was almost just like the
straw that broke the camel's back, But really.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He was being molested.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, and that's why the father wouldn't turn him in,
because that all would come out.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And then we have that thing about like if someone's
molesting if you know, like killing the mother as well
is always like a really weird thing because if you
have an issue with your dad, why would you you know,
the mother would never step in that kind of thing.
Speculation your honor?
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
M hmm, okay, please approach the bench, all right, Okay,
So they begin to take a closer look. They note
that the amputations inflicted on Michelle deniset were not amateur,
but were accomplished with skill and experience.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
They searched the couple's house.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
The couple's house is still born, it up from the hurricane,
and they find a bunch of fuck up stuff. They
find the bedroom door, so bedroom doors open. I never
closed my bedroom door when they open it. On the
back of the bedroom door is a really creepy illustration
poster of the female muscular and skeletal system and she
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has like a bun on her head and it's like
a cartoon drawing.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
It's like so creepy. It's not just a skeleton.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It's like a female skeleton with a face and muscles.
So it's like one of those weird you know that
vanity oh when you like a pop up book kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Well, no, I was thinking of.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
There was actually an art installation of a guy who'll
just like remember the thing, and I was just like,
that person is a serial killer that made this who
would want to go and like m show what people
look like with no skin.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Like embalming someone and then putting it up his art
but really just skinning them. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I got nauseous at that art installation quote unquote and
had to leave.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
It was so disturbing that.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
One of like the human yeah bodies.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
I saw it in New York. And I don't have
too many regrets in life. I mean I should, I should,
but that one is one of my regrets.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, considering how much I can read and watch and
look at I look at crime scene photos and shit
like that was really fucking They still had.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Like hair well and there was all these like these
ethical issues of how the bodies were y were they Yeah, yeah,
and apparently whatever, and I.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Would do it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's so weird and he would go to it like
we don't need to know that. Well, apparently Charlie did.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
So.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And also despite not being in the medical profession. Of course,
there were books on human anatomy and a bookshelf, and
one of them contained a newspaper clipping of a labeled
illustration of the human heart.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
He also subscribed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Here's What's Fucking Creepy to Victoria's Secret magazine, and it
was like her catalog. It was like in his name
that wasn't to his wife. And his nickname for his
niece Michelle, who he killed, was Victorious he called her,
which is like, don't.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It's not a nickname. It says, it's not shorter her name. No,
it's not even closed.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
They checked out his computer.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
There was a bunch of erotic websites related to sacrifice, violence, necrophilia,
containing photos of torture, rape, and violent deaths, depicting female autopsies.
They're all staged. Don't worry, uh, living models made to
look dead. And they came to the conclusion that Charlie
was obsessed with his niece Michelle, had a premeditation and
(33:34):
had premeditated the murders, and that he was also obsessed
with human anatomy, especially the female humanity. Due to what
they found in his house, as well as the observation
that the murder of his wife's wife and niece seemed
to be the work of a skilled and practice killer,
police began to look into previously unsolved cold cases in
the area and also in the areas where he would
travel for work, which he did a lot, because I
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guess engineers travel for work a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They train engineers. Come on, toot, what's the you know.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They sent out a description of them distin bowel, decapitated,
clean cut, surgical precision, and they quickly got a ton
of hits from other police stations. So his ties to
an additional murder were uncovered by not investigators, but by
the producers of the show forty eight Hours, which is like,
(34:29):
fuck yeah, there's a really good episode of this on
forty eight Hours. They passed along the information of the authorities.
So in July nineteen eighty nine off Big Pine Key, Florida,
two fishermen found the body.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Of Sherry Parisho.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
She was thirty eight.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
She lived in a small boat and had been seen
riding her bike earlier that day. She'd been in the
water dead no longer than twelve hours, and the site
her body was found at was one thousand feet away
from Charlie Brandt's big pine key a thousand feet away.
Her head had been severed and her heart had been removed,
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and Charlie resembled a sketch of a man seen crossing
the US one near the near by on the night
of the murder. And Jim, the fucking dude who set
them up, who had set them up, said Terry told
him that Charlie came home that night wet and covered
with blood around the timeshare. He was killed, and she
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was like, what the fuck? And he was like, I
was fishing and I killed some fish and then I
November nineteen ninety five, along the Miami Dade County Highway
that Charlie would have had to use to get in
and out of the keys, the mutilated body of Darlene Toller.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
She was thirty five.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
She was discovered in a plastic bag, and her head
and heart were missing as well. So since then, twenty
six murders going back as far what as nineteen seventy three,
which is when his dad checked him out of the
insane asylum and took him to Florida, So that means
he was fifteen years old. They have had possible links
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to Charlie, but six murders have been positively identified and
ascribed to Charlie. So Charlie Brant the fucking serial killer
that I had never heard of, a possibility of twenty
six murders going back from when he was fifteen years old,
two years after he killed his fucking pregnant mother.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
That's it. The head and the heart, huh in the heart?
Fuck they named that Bambi.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, I know the heart in the hunter. Oh no,
there's an actual ye.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Well, I've never heard of that guy. Oh right, yeah,
that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Oh and he was like, he looks so much like
my cousin. Creeps me out, Like my cousin could play
him in a movie.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I also feel like that lesson of like if somebody
just shoot gets up as a thirteen year old and
shoots a bunch of people in their family, you can
pretty much assume.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
That's not going to end there.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
No, And I think the psychiatry psychologists were like this
is going to happen again, but his dad was like nope,
taking them into custody.
Speaker 9 (37:05):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, it's crazy, man, And how could.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
There not be one little thing that the psychologists found
that we're like, well, here's like everything's fine. Nope, he
just killed his parents once, but everything else is fine.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's impossible, I do.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Yeah, it does feel like I think maybe now I
like to think that there's like people are much more
aware of warning signs.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
But it's disturbing that even.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
As recently as back in the nineties, like the warning
signs are like, well, well.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
You know, people get better.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I suppose, Yeah, let's have a positive attitude about this.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Guy apartment and he'll be fine. Great.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, yeah, crazy, Well, thank you for your really latest
favorite murderer.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
There's no real way to transition into a call from this.
Huh oh believe me? How do our shows are so different? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I'm a Taurus. Stop okay, I'm as sad. Oh I
have no idea what the fox is? No, what do
I want?
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I don't either. You know, I'm a Gemini, are you?
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:16):
We're so much fun because we're fucking batch.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I saw I actually saw a thing I had a
list of like the most well known serial killers, and
most of them are Geminis.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
It's Gemini or Virgo Virgo. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Gemini men are specifically or particularly crazy. Gemini girls are
just fun drunks. No, I love you all right, well,
because I'm the When someone says that to you, it's
because you're crazy person.
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Are we ready to calla Yeah, yeah, she's in Ohio
when she's twenty eight, aren't we all?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Hello?
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Hey, Leah, how are you? It's sim heh, Hi, sim
how are you? I'm going to introduce you to honor
right now.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Hi Leah, Hi Anna, thank you so much for you know,
being with us here tonight.
Speaker 7 (39:14):
So Anna, can you introduce our special guests.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
We have Karen and Georgia from My Favorite Murder, which
is an awesome Hi podcast.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Hi, Hi, it is Hi Hileiah Riah.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
You wrote us.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
You wrote us asking if it's okay to hook up
with your cheating friend's ex husband. Tell us her story.
Your story is kind of yeah, this is interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
This is fun. Start from the beginning.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
Okay, So two years ago I was training a new
girl at the place where I worked then, and her
name was Danny and she had just moved to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
And she had.
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Moved to be with her fiance, and we found out
that her fiance was like one of my old friends
from high school. So Jamie and I we became really close.
I mean we were doing everything together immediately. We just
got along so well, and so we became friends and
it was really fun. It was so fun to hang
out with her and her fiance because you know, we
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had a past history too. So Jamie and dust and
her fiance they started to have some problems, and I
was the first person to give them advice about them.
We kind of lost touch, Janie and I did when
I started a new job that was kind of farther away,
but I would stop in every once in a while
to my old job and just sear and see how
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she was doing. The one day I stopped in and
she told me that her and Dustin were getting a divorce,
and I told her, you know, whatever I can do
to help. So the next time that I stopped in,
she was there and she looked kind of nervous, and
I found out why soon enough. It was because her
new boyfriend was there. And it was a boyfriend that
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she met while she and Dustin were married, so they
were together, and I found out she had told me
then that.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
She had cheated on Dustin.
Speaker 9 (41:12):
She had cheated with him with two different guys, and
starting three months into their marriage. They got divorced about
a year later. So Dustin had gotten the hold of
me because I was kind of I was going through
some stuff and he was going through some stuff, and
we caught up and we ended up starting to hook up.
And I've been so torn about it because I want
(41:35):
to be a good friend, and I guess I've never
been in a situation like this before, so it's all
kind of weird. Eventually, I thought, you know, I have
to at least ask her if we can be friends,
and so I did, and she actually she hasn't talked
to me since. She was so mad at me for
even asking.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Sorry with Dustin exactly right, Yeah, it was okay.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
For Dustin and I to be friend. Yeah, yeah, to
hang out, she got she got really mad. Yeah, and
we haven't talked since. So I guess that's kind of
where I'm at. Is number one. I don't know, is
it okay for thats and then I to be hooking up.
It's the best sex that I've ever.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Had in my life nice to me.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
I mean like, that's yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Yeah, honey.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
So there's that, and then and and it's also it's
something that I would never ever do. I would never
hook up with a friend's ex in different circumstances, ever,
I think, And then you know, could I tell her?
Speaker 3 (42:36):
I guess we've got some answers.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah. Ready, there's such a sweet You're not a bad person.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
A dude would never be asking these questions. And women,
we beat ourselves up so fucking much.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Here's the thing. She cheated on him. Uh not, it
didn't even matter what she did because you already had
a relationship with him. You already knew him before, so
she was the new friend and then she got rid
of him. So that's like you, it doesn't matter what
happens after that, because if that relationship ends, you get
(43:11):
to do whatever you want. And her being mad at
you after she cheated on him and then has someone
else in her life to even want to be friends
with him, that is insane. I think you're going by
her rules and you're kind of like taking her framework
of the situation then going is this okay? Because she
said it isn't. It's abs a fucking lutely.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, And it doesn't sound like someone that I would
really want to be friends with anyways, So you checking
you checking in with her and is so sweet and
generous but not necessary. You don't, you don't owe her anything,
and you know you guys are you're not going to
get married maybe, but you're getting your fucking sexual healing
and it has nothing to do with her in any way.
(43:53):
And cheating on someone's three months into a wedding, you
know that's probably not a marriage. It's not the first
time she did that. For probably it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter what she does, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
It's so true because it sounds like, you know, you
might not value her friendship as much as you do
like other friendships or relationships, and life is fucking short,
and I don't. I don't think you owe her anything.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I mean in this situation, it's I think it's interesting the.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Idea that.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
They broke up. I mean, that was over right, So
it's not she wasn't. She didn't get this girl didn't
get cheated on by the guy that you're hooking up with.
So the idea that she's mad at you, when she
is absolutely not the victim in this situation. She she
went and did exactly what she wanted. So why don't
you get to because you should get to And if
(44:51):
you want to get together with that guy.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
You should get to. Dude, get to know your fucking
body with a man that you did.
Speaker 9 (44:57):
He was nice to you, And I think I happened
so far.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
So yeah, I was like, I think you wouldn't have
called an asked this if you didn't know somewhere in
your mind that something was really off about.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
This, and I did.
Speaker 9 (45:09):
Yeah, I felt like it was. But I was surprised
that the few people that I kind of ran it
bied I got really a mixed answers, and I think
that's what made me so confused about it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
But people are answering based on their own history, not
on the situation.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, that's what everybody does.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Yeah right, Yeah, if any of my girlfriends who I
cared about and loved wanted to hook up with my
exes who are good people, I would be so happy
for them me.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Too, Yeah exactly, I would too.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I think that's adult reaction, right, Yeah, So she might
be having more of a high school weird reaction.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
It's like when you get an awesome pair of boots
and your friend is like.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I really like this.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Boots would be okay if I also bought those, and
some people would be like no, and other people are like, fuck, yeah,
I'm so glad you like these.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
They're so comfortable your feet are gonna feel amazed, and
you celebrate it like oh.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
But it's also the thing.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I think.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
It's also the thing of uh.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
It's weird to think that you can make friends with, say,
a narcissist. It's weird to think that you could have
a good time and have a good relationship with a
person who's actually, deep down incredibly selfish or incredibly self serving.
So I think you you're having doubts because the two
of you hit it off and had a good time.
But maybe a lot of the reason you had such
a good time with her is because the boyfriend was
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there who you really liked and maybe have liked for
a long time.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
So he evened it out the fact that she fucking
kind of sucked.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Did Yeah, we had a lot of fun all together,
and I didn't. I mean, Shana, I got got really
close in a different way. But yeah, that's I never
even thought about that before.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
You're not a bad person, just like you know, we've
been telling you, but we have been talking about bad people, but.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You are not one to know. You're nowhere near it.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
No, And the fact that you even if you're a
bad person or not based on this, I think proves
to us that you're not.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
You're a wonderful person.
Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yeah and no, yeah, yeah, please like enjoy yourself. I
don't know, life is short, ye, I don't think you
have to like I would like encourage you to distance
yourself and you know you already have already from from
the friend the gal. But but also you know, I
don't know how much social media has to play in
(47:27):
all of this, but I would also encourage like easing
up on any of that because that always gets anybody
into trouble.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
But I would I would just like, yeah, have have
I don't know, I don't know. You're in your twenties, yep,
get your nut yet yours? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (47:44):
Well, Leah, I think this is pretty obvious you're at
Are you okay with this?
Speaker 9 (47:48):
Just?
Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (47:49):
I had? I mean, thank you, Yeah, I do. I
feel a lot better.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, we love you. Thank you?
Speaker 9 (47:57):
So much. I love you too.
Speaker 8 (47:58):
Bye, get you get late.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
Yeah, all right, this is we're coming to us.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I guess the finger. Wow, that's it.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
That's the wrap it up things, giving us the finger. Yeah,
this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Guys, guys, thank you so much. It was so fun.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
Thanks for being in my creepy house, in the creepy
room talking about incredibly creepy things.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
That's a thing, and you gave amazing advice.
Speaker 7 (48:25):
This is a lot of fun. I mean, let's do
this once a year if we can. You want total
for sure, once a week or once a year, we're
gonna be there. Let's perfect. This sounds good. Anything do
you want to tell people to follow you anywhere or anything?
Speaker 3 (48:37):
I don't know. Sim is always telling me to do
this part.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (48:40):
I don't I'm not really I stopped doing it. Yeah,
we have like social media on Instagram and stuff. I'm
sure you guys have it. Stephen Stephen okay, your producer
Stephen Raymore.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Our Twitter is my favorite murder something your face find
it because great.
Speaker 3 (48:54):
I don't like that's the I made it.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
I don't remember why we are.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
At Unqualified because we're promoting on your show as well, yeah.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
We're going everyone find you, guys, they can find us.
Speaker 7 (49:08):
Yeah, unqualified, subscribe, leave review. Other than that, thank you so.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Much, thank you so much, honest day sexy. Oh no,
let's go on and don't get murdered. That's how we
always end our Now you got yours. I always say
fuck you, sim fuck you, sim than you.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Sim don't get murdered that everyone they love you.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
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