Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 40: Squad Gourds - My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It is Wednesday, which can only mean one thing.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
That means we're trapped in your phone, in your ears,
and we're forced to recap our old shows with all
new commentary, updates and insights.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Forced. We have the privilege of being forced.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Today we're recapping episode forty, which at the time we
named squad Gords.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh my god, iconic, so iconic. Just FYI.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
This episode came out on October twenty six, twenty sixteen.
That's the same day Marty McFly traveled back in time.
That's fun, right, because we're about to travel back in time.
But although he traveled back to nineteen fifty five, we're
going back to twenty sixteen. And it also doesn't work
because we're going back to October twenty sixth and he
was traveling from this.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
E're over thinking, you're overthinking this. Let's just listen to
the intro of episode forty.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, let's start with a prayer. Yeah, a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Dear Oprah, can you help us, please, please Oprah, Oprah,
we just need ten one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
What if we were like Oprah's our guests in at
the Chicago Podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Festival, someone asked us that on Twitter, right that's there
were like, is the guests gonna be Oprah? And I
immediately wrote now because I just didn't want her to
be sad or have any big feelings.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know, if she would talk.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
About murder, I feel like she's like not in that
headspace anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh, but I feel like that's what that show was.
I mean like in the beginning, that show was like
some Sam his child on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like they give him a makeover for real.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
That show was like, oh, really, Salid Jesse, Raphael, where
we're going to take a one step lower?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, or however, there is one episode where club Kids
are on one of those shows, and it's like fucking
epic on Sally Jesse, I think so uh.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I feel like I've seen like screen grabs from that. Yeah. Anyways,
uh like go ahead, no.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, no, I won't no, And I just know and
and you so hard.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
The first thing I would like to talk about is
how we although it is not our birthday, nor is
it yet Christmas, you and I, yes, we got a
surprise gift from Stephen and you guys, if you ever
want to get me a gift. Don't bother, because this
is the only gift I've ever wanted. Stephen brought Georgia

(02:49):
and I.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
The book Mysteries of the Unknown, the time life series
we each.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Had we talked about last week, and then he went
on EBA. He must have had to overnight these on EBA.
I mean, here's the problem.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Spent all the money in the world.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
The problem is you're so like he brought over a bottle,
Like we were drinking. We drink my whiskey, and he
brought up a bottle and like, Stephen, no, you're like,
we're supposed to be buying you.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
All the shits you're are unpaid. In turn, it's so
thought college credit.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Sat scientology. You've got me phantom encounters.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I mean, we we're going to co own these though,
right because I am immediately this second he handed you yours,
I was like, but wait, what's that one?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
We share these with the universe.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That's true, mine is, except for you guys can't borrow
mine's mystic places.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Which was the one in the Google imstram.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah, that's right with the pyramid in the eye and
the sphinx.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Some Illuminati shit. It is so crazy. This is beautiful.
I mean, I just can't stop staring at it. It's
the best gift. Here's one. Here's an article.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Here's a page title banishing Baneful Ghosts.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, who came up with that? Just some bullshit time
writer who was like so unhappy.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah, they were like, I'm so sick of talking of
like writing about Nixon.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
And Shakespeare's Haunted Stage. I'm getting a paycheck.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Mine's tracking the Earth's energies. And look at this guy
who has like those crazy sticks that go in different directions.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It looks like he has one of those hats on
that have like a pinwheel at the head and the top.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Oh Stephen, uh, thank you. Yeah, this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Steven Remorse from the per Cast podcast.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
We should actually put these down because now we're reading
books all our podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh my god, that's how good they are.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like that can't terrify these are I feel like these
were on every coffee table in the eighties, where like
if you went to your boring aunt's house and got stuck.
My mom's classic thing was sorry, it's adult time, so
we would get like banished into the TV room and
then if nothing good was on TV, because there were
only four channels. Because I'm sixty seven, God blessed the

(04:45):
house that you went to that had a Time Life
series book on the coffee table.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Do you remember those people's houses you used to go to,
like friends or boyfriend's families when you were like staying
for Christmas or whatever, And it was like you had
memorized the one magazine that they had in the bathroom
because you want to the toilet took fucking escape just
to get away. So you knew the fucking the fucking
Us Weekly from ten years.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Ago, like it's more like four, so but it's still
somehow crazy outdated.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yes that like I would have memorized every word of
these books as a kid. Yes, I would have just
read them over and over in my an's house.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
And nothing when I was a child was catered to us.
There was a box of toys that were entertaining when
we were under three and under, and then it was
like and if something goods on TV or even if
something my boyfriend's here, bye, cool.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Writer, we we've played. I remember this as a kid, like,
here's what it was like. We played with kitchen utensils
under my grandma's grand piano and you knew to shut
the fuck up and play with this ladel from nineteen
sixty and like pretend it's something.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yes, just use your imagination. Artato masher Ours was always
just go outside because we would like we were on
a farm. There was all kinds of shit you could
be doing out there. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah, God, these children are tired.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So thank you, Stephen. You're the greatest. Yeah, Stephen, we
really appreciate your angel human couple.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Should I just do some Twitter corners because there's been
some great stuff happening on our Twitter page. First of all,
Christa tweeted at us because Gary Conduct is going to
appear on Doctor Phil.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Shut up, Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
He's going to discuss the Chandra Levy murder on Doctor Phil.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Took me a minute because I'm so bad with names.
But now and then I'll make sense.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Sorry, I should have again both.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I'm just trying to open this link so I can
tell you exactly what's gonna happen. But I could also
ask my friend, Oh yeah, because it may have already
been pained.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, so we know that now the person who got
who was a suspected of killing Chandra Levy, was let go,
and so they're starting to open up that maybe it
was Gary Condon, the former center.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well they're they're basically they exonerated the person who was
in jail for the murder, and there they have reopened
the investigation. No one's named Gary Kondit specifically, but we
do know that they've gone back in there looking into
like basically people who gave him. What do you call that, like,

(07:15):
I was there, alibi alibi, they're called the eye was theirs.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I was there when he wasn't killing her. I believe alibis.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Man, those things get shaky after fucking a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
That's right, And it's been quite some time, man.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
And you always had another affair. And so his wife
is like, you know what, fuck this right? He wasn't
at home with me watching fucking Mattlocke.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I feel that's kind of the kind of the key
to like an old cold case totally is you get
those people who are like, oh, yeah, I remember your
awesome boyfriend that you would have done anything for in
nineteen eighty five who is a murderer, And it turns
out wasn't all that cool.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
He really wasn't with me that night.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
It turned out he also loved to give me the
back of his hand across the face offense, so I
knew home that night covered in blood. He was just
he looked like a tomato. So anyhow, that's gonna be
on Doctor Phil. I can't find a date, but no,
that's exciting. The link is on our Twitter feed.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Also.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
The other thing, I just wanted to give a shout
out because we had been talking last week about wow,
we hate carving pumpkins.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh no, what happened?

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, Caroline sent us a picture of the most perfect
Halloween Jack lannarn goals for us, and this is it.
It's the tiniest face UH carved into a pumpkin. And
when I saw it, it made me laugh so hard.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
It's like it's like an emode. It's like the size
of an emoji and the face of an emoji, like
the happy face emote. It's that's all I want to like.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But then I'm all the hugest pumpkins.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
So it's basically like this person took a pen and
stuck it into a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
It's so then they were like, where's my wine and
where are my ritz crackers?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I'm done? You can laugh out loud, Stephen, that's good stuff,
so beauty, so much, Caroline, because I really loved that.
Can I have a quick, quick pun corner? Please do
squad guards. Cit of calls squad gords because it is
a god. Let me explain this. My comedy is like
kind of you know, like it's intellectual squad. It's written,

(09:16):
it's red. You gotta squad gords. That's really good, Like,
give me a hot minute. MEMI loves it. No, my god,
Mimi's crying laughing. You can't see it, but try.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
She looks so bored. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's really good. Thank you, h oh. And then the
uh we got that super awesome uh for somebody.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I'll find her name right now. Her name is Jessica
Hollinger and she wrote an article for the Week called
why I Am a murderin Now.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
That was And I love when people write article. It's
been you know, there hasn't been a lot, but when
they write them and they post photos at other people
of a like murderinos fan art, Yeah, because it makes
it's so great to get other people's art out there.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's very cool.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's like it's one huge communal effort kind of yeah.
Also the name of the article is I am a Murderito.
I added the why because I can't not do that.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
What did you say? Why I am a Murderinoh that's weird?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Well, you know what, So I want to go ahead
and give someone that we need to find on the
Facebook group credit for making up the word murder reino. Yes,
because that person it's a dude and he's like, hey,
I came up with that, so we need to find him.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh yeah, someone. People are like not people.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Some people are like, let's get that fucking word in
Webster's dictionary.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Okay, I mean if too much for you. I hate
stuff like that, But I don't mean for us. I
mean that. I mean that the word that that word
means people who are really into true crime. I don't
mean like from my favorite murder podcast. I mean like
the people who are into true crime, like who, who
are you? What do you do? I'm a murderino? I
like that.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I just feel like whenever we say the words like
let's get this going, then there's going to be like,
you know, a bunch of people are like they want
us to do it, so let's do it, Which I
get that's kind of stuff is of all the things
we should be putting our effort behind, Let's get Trump
in the White House. That's the thing that I want
everybody to really get feet on the sidewalks about Karen.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
People are gonna think you're I posted something today of
like Hitler is Trump and like look at all these
botos And someone was like, oh, thank god that I
thought I heard you last week say that you.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Were voting for Trump, and I'm and I got scared.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You know what, if you're scared, goodbye, because that means
you don't have a sense of humor.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Please, I would say seventy five percent of the things
I'm saying are either sarcastic or lying. It's that's the
kind of the jungle of a personality that I have.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
That's why I love you, man. Squad goards, fucking squad
goards girl. Okay, I have something to talk about, Okay
from Instagram. You had Twitter corner. I have Instagram corner.
That's right, all right.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I'm sitting at a bar as I do on Saturday night,
the Roost, which is one of my favorite bars in
la very cool place, dive as fuck, hanging out with
my friends, and then I like, scroll to Instagram and
someone tagged me in something and I open it and
almost started crying and just turned it to my friend

(12:13):
and showed her and she looked at me like, you know,
like one of those dude looks, Yeah, have you seen this?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Oh yeah, you sent that to me?

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh right, okay, Well, so pillworm on Instagram. Motherfucking got
a gorgeous tattoo that says stay sexy, don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
And am I wrong to say that? It looks like
I'm assuming that's a woman. Yeah, I just because that's
the usual.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I think it's on her like back shoulder. Yeah, but
it's like across her back shoulder, big, oh big.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I just wonder like what if it turns out, oh,
you know, we were serious about Trump And she's like,
oh fuck, I have this tattoo when these awful people
are like, oh no, we're racist as fuck.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
She's like, wait a second, I just right as the
tattoo she is like zting, there you go, sixty five dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's a beautiful tattoo and it's by a girl named
her Underjaw Tattoos.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
JIW Tattoos made it.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's like really well done in gorgeous tattoo, and I'm
like in.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Awe of it. It's beautiful. Anna.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
I have to say you sent me that picture. My
sister sent it to me, Adrian sent it to me,
and April sent it to me. Like I got it
was like ding ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
There's another one too that I just we can't I have.
I feel like we have to give credit to because
it's like this tattoo that she pill worm God is
me in my twenties.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
This tattoo that this other girl is me in my
like teens.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, and it's a poke. It's a poky tattoo that
you do when you just and I underneath this beautiful
tattoo my leg are the initials of my best friend
from when I was fourteen, with Indian ink. And so
this girl did that. I'm just gonna keep talking until
I mind.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's okays. Fuck polaiteness, she and she said it's a
stick and poke.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I guess it's called yeah, and she wrote fuck
politeness and stick and poke. And her name is Paulina
with three a's in an underscore at the end, and
you can see her toucho. It's on our it's on
Twitter up on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, yeah, man, it's very cool. I fucking dig it.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I mean it's nice that it's uh, there are things
that people really that's resonating, yeah, and making people feel
good and things that they like and that are enhancing
their lives.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Considering that just the amount of shit that comes out
of her mouth that we just don't think twice about.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
And then like, you know what I'm saying, my Trump
material is all what you're talking about again, it comes
out of Karen's mouth.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, I was at the bar and I almost started crying,
and I'm so fucking honored and it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, this is uh, this is like we'll call this
Laura Corner because my sister, the lurker called the Other
Kill garrat the Other White Kill Garra. She loves the
Facebook page and goes on there all the time. She's
so touched by the fact that there's all these rad
people talking to each other, supporting each other.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, her sister. What's up about her sister? Right, No,
she's my sister. Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes, but also talking about she's all so nice, nice.
I mean, everyone's just cool and chill. So but she
found this and it's her favorite. It's a guy named
Dylan who's in the army, and he wrote and said,
I'm in the army and I always give a short,
semi serious statement to the service personnel I supervise on
Friday before we leave for the weekend. Usually I end

(15:30):
with something like be safe, don't die. But today I
said stay sexy, don't get murdered, and then just walked
away to a bunch of guys in the military. The
funny looks I got made it totally worth it. Just
wanted to share.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
That I love you. Oh my god, thank you for
your service. Thank you for all the people you freaked
out for their service, but also the idea that we
crossed over into a military who what do you know?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Me?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Hi, Hi, that is the coolest. It's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
And oh, I also want to give a shout out
speaking of everyone being cool and awesome. On the Facebook group,
the moderators are fucking they're you know, amazing. They they
bust their skating school of everyone and it's the best.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Thank you guys. Yeah what else? Uh? Let me look
at my list.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I made a list in a font that looks like
it's if there is a four or two font. That's
what I did because it's tiny and I can't.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
See you can't see anything. Oh here it is. Go
And we got lots of people reached out to tell
us about this, uh, because it happened in Sacramento. The
woman who was walking up the street with a head
on a stick. Did you hear about this story? You didn't, am,

(16:43):
I then want telling you first ahead on a stick girl.
Fuck Sacramento. You guys have some fucking ethere.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
It's a floodplain and no one has anything to do.
Everyone's just half and shit, they're just hot, you know
what I mean. It's like there's there's fumes coming up
from melting ass.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
You know what else? Well, everyone has fucking line there,
I promise you, because you run through a full if
you went through a field, a cornfield, limelme lie lime lime,
and then your your brain goes crazy, which it's true.
I mean, I can't argue.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
This, But then then you put a fucking head on
a soap.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Apparently this woman had found a dead body in an
abandoned homeless encampment. Why that's somewhere And I actually looked
it up on a map because I was like where
where did this happen? Like all I could picture was
myself in the late eighties early nineties driving all hot
and bummed out in Sacramento and then looking over on

(17:37):
the sidewalk and a woman with a head on it?
Now or would you?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Here's what my problem is is I would be the
person who'd who would come upon that abandoned homeless encampment
and want to search through it?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well?

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah you would if you're like out
in the woods or something, and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh, people lived here, but they're not
here anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Why it's like detectiving.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
You're like, whoa, Well, there's got to be a note,
so seats that show when they were, you know there.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
The story with the article I read was limited information.
I feel like more more to come, But it seems
like this woman herself is homeless, and the first article
I read said head on a stick, but then when
I looked into it, it was a skull on a stick.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So it's not going to be as totally.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Nightmare town as it seemed like as they were kind
of selling it.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
But still the media was making something seem more that's crazy, I.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Even but they in the picture, it was pixelated, so
there's a chance that there was some bad action on
that skull.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
So anyway, I'm very interested to see what the next
phase of like. So obviously they took her. She that
everybody saw her walking down the street.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Why did she do that?

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Well, here's my theory is either maybe she was mute
or she knew that there would be a communication problem
if she said I found a dead body, she wouldn't
be able to express herself correctly.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
She was mentally disabled. Well, I don't know. I mean,
she's a homeless person and her choice was to put
a head on a stick and walk up on the
street there. But also she decided to put a head
on a stick and walk up the street, so I
think she probably was like, this is going to be
the quickest way to get health and I don't want
to touch it. And I'm gonna put a stick. I'm

(19:21):
not gonna put it on the top of my head.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I'm not gonna put it on my fist and like
use it as a puppet. Oh no, I'm being distressed.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's all so.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Bad anyway, So we will I'm going to keep my
eye out for that story and what even what all
of that is.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
You know, it's so bananess to me, and like of
these stories that you hear and then you'll never hear
about it again.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I know.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
It sees like this person got killed in the hit
and run accident and then you just never hear about
it again.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Well.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
The bummer too, is like if this this was an
abandoned homeless encampment and somebody died there, and who knows
what the circumstances were, but they said the body was
had been there for a while, so the you know,
the we won't be able to get a lot of information,
and then it's just going to be like, yeah, and
that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
And like someone hasn't heard from their brother in talking
fifteen years. Oh my god, I'm making myself want to.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Cry, I know.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
So anyway, there's crime all around us, but especially in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Everything's the worst. Just look for the best things in life.
Get cats, Get a dog. The dogs are good too.
Uh should we do our podcast and we are back? Okay?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Can I explain squad goards because I've been thinking about
it since this up eight for eight or nine years. Yes, absolutely,
I was thinking of squad goals, which was a big
like hashtag saying at the time, Yeah, I should and
could have said squash goals, which I still am like,
why didn't you say?

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Why?

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I made it harder for myself by saying squad instead
of squash goals.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I said squad gords. Yes, squad guards.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Which is just like how my like, I think to me,
that's a great example of how my brain works.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Because your brain doesn't work like the hashtag gals. Yes,
it's very different.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
It's a little harder, it's going to take a longer route,
and it's going to get there, and then the people
who are there when it gets there, those are my
pupil yes.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Right. Also, it's the thing you always say a thing.
As a stand up comedian, you get.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Trained to guess the joke right, right, So when seOne
is in a setup, you're like, I know what you're
gonna say, yeah, And that is basically what you do.
And that's why comics are so insufferable because they always
have that kind of attitude.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
And you can't make me laugh because I already get
the joke.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes exactly, I just knew you were going to say that,
and I never know what the fuck you're gonna say
and in the biggest compliment way. And same with my
friend Kevin Christy one time texting me because he was
like bingching our show and he goes, I swear to guy,
just never know what she's gonna say, and I was like,
I know what that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh my god, I might you know the Oh my god,
that's really touching because as a kid, I was like
that and it made my life really fucking difficult, yeah,
and hard, and like made me I get teased a
lot and bullied because I was exactly like that and
I couldn't fucking control it and I still can't. But

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now it works exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I'm so happy.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yes, we're so happy you found your people. Oh my god,
you found your calling.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
If I may. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
And also that is like a creative brain never works
in fifth grade.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
A creative brain is despised in.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Fifth grade because that's ultimately like when you're supposed to
start really fitting in. Yeah, And my brain always was
like Karen, stand over there and say this really loud,
and it's like.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
No quiet, we're trying to be shy. It's like, nope,
you're not going to.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Be Oh my god, yeah, be like be cute and timid,
now just be fucking.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Weird, not an option. I love it. I love it.
I'm so happy about that.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, Okay, what else did we talk about? I still
have Stephen's book that gave me g had yours.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Oh yes, and prominently displayed.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I mean that was first of all, Steven, it's been
so long you missed him.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
But that was that kind of thing where I was like,
this is the loveliest gift. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It was like a gift where if someone like went
into my mind and went, what do you want?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You don't even know what you want?

Speaker 1 (23:20):
So thoughtful, totally like you wouldn't know that you want this,
and I found it. I put effort and time into it,
and you're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Also, because when Stephen, and maybe even when.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
You were growing up, did you see those infomercials for
Mysteries of the Unknown?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Okay? Obsessed? Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I thought we were going to get abducted by aliens.
I was so obsessed with that.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Stuff, like woman, a woman in Ohio cuts her hand.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And it crossed the country, her twin sisters starts to
bleed or whatever.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
That truly was the monoculture back there. It was like
we all saw one commercial.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, freaked out.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Shit, oh the alien in the barn. Man, it's fucking happening.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
It's happening right now.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Over all, right, Well, let's get into Karen's story, which
is when I had never heard this is so fascinating
when I think about a lot.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
This is the my way killing.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yeah, all right, it's my turn to go first this week.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It's absolutely not. It is, but I don't care. No, no, no,
you went first last week. No I didn't. I went first.
I had the eyeball killer and you went. You're right, no,
right up to the second. You're positive. I'm telling you, Matt,

(24:41):
I can argue anything, even I don't know or believe it.
I can. Just I was tel.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I was like, shit, okay, me too, this is this one.
Uh let's get oh yeah, everybody calmed down. The reason
that I this is my murder this week is because
Guy Branham, a friend of the show hilarious comedian, asked

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me if I had heard of these killings.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
And he's good, he's so good. And when he said
what they were, I was like, my brain wrote an
entire thing of what it meant. It's one of those names. Yeah,
and then so.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
It takes place in the Philippines and they're called the
my Way Killings.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Okay, so let me paint the picture for you a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It will be a little bit confusing at the beginning,
but I'm just gonna run down a little information for
you and then it'll all become clear.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Get at it, addict, get up into that attic. Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So, I don't know if you guys know this. I
didn't until I started looking into this that Filipinos love karaoke.
They fucking love it as a nation. It's basically their
national pastime.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay. Almost every Philippine home has a karaoke mission. Who
they would hate me? It's why because you why because
I can't sing for shit, and I'm scared of karaoke.
It's I'm scared of karaoke. Well, we'll talk about that,
but it's so let's get this about me, me me.

(26:30):
Uh So, they every every birthday party, every holiday party,
and they have so many karaoke and videoke, which is
a different version of karaoke where you get scored against
other people that are doing karaoke that scores you the machine. Holy.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So it's how many there's another thing that's like that.
Maybe it's banned.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Jesus Christ. Uh sorry, I just hit my man. Machines
are often taken over and judging us now, and they are, oh,
Guitar Hero.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's a little bit like Guitar Hero, where it knows
if you're hitting the right notes right and so you
get a score for videoke. So it actually gets very
competitive in the bar. So if you're singing like, it's
whoever is getting the best score on their song?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Can we all just chill please? I mean so.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
In the Philippines there's KTVs, which stands for Karaoke Television,
and that bar is wholesome. It's like your whole family
can go there. People have parties there or whatever. Okay,
they cater to all ages, they serve food, there's private rooms.
Then there's regular karaoke bars that are laid back. You
have a drink, you embarrass yourself publicly. That's the whole

(27:42):
idea of it. Good times. Don't go there if you
want to just chill. It's like they're singing it's fine,
yeah exactly, it's funny and you're gonna get drunk and whatever.
Sometimes there's even a live band to do vocals with
that is awesome. But then there's nightclubs and their nightclub
the thing that are called nightclubs in the Philippines are
basically strip clubs with karaoke.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
And there's exotic dancing.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
There's back rooms that feature more than just singing that's direct.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Directly from an article, that is more than just saying well.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
So basically they have women who work there that they're
called guest service officers.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Gee, I think guest service officers, and they're basically like
strippers that are paid to sit with the guys at
the tables. They have those in Japan.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
They're not strippers for sure, they're you know, but they
are sit and have a conversation like hosts.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, they're hostesses. Yeah yeah, yeah, we're gonna I feel
like it.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
The basically they're trying to get a bunch of things
done at once at their nightclub, so they kind of offer.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
All these different to get people in exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Even in remote villages, families living in bamboo huts will
have a karaoke machine in their house. Yeah, which is
because it's amazing and so the world's first karaoke machine
was invented, was called the juke eight and it was
built by Japanese inventor and musician named Daisuki Inui in

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nineteen seventy one, but the current patent holder is the
Filipino inventor Roberto del Rosario and he developed the karaoke
singalong system in nineteen seventy five. So it's basically like
it's their hometown invention.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
So I was looking into, like, it's why is singing
this popular in the Philippines, And just a little background,
Nearly fifty percent of the people who live in the Philippines,
and that's estimated a eighty seven million people live on
less than two dollars a day, and many are forced
to eke out a living selling scrap brick a brac
or begging a lot of impoverished neighborhoods, the karaoke machine

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is the one luxury that the whole community gets to
enjoy and doesn't do it out. So basically that's their
only entertainment and it's the closest a lot of them
get to come to escape besides drinking and whatever. It's
like you have a little moment where you know you
can kind of be good.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And also I looked it up.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Researcher is there's a Time Time magazine article that was
written in twenty thirteen about the positive effects of singing
way and they researchers just I'm just reading from this
article thing. But they researchers discovered singing is like an
infusion of the perfect tranquilizer, the kind that both sues

(30:42):
your nerves and elevates your spirits. You feel elated when
you sing, which comes from it endorphins, a hormone released
by singing, which is associated with feelings of pleasure, and
you also release oxytocin, which is a chemical. It's found
to alleviate anxiety and stress, and it enhances feelings of

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trust and bonding, which explains why more studies have found
that singing lessons feelings of depression and loneliness. A very
recent study even attempts to make the case that music
evolved as a tool of social living and the pleasure
that comes from singing together is our evolutionary reward for

(31:26):
coming together cooperatively instead of hiding alone in a cave
by yoursel.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
That is fucking heavy and intense, I know, crazy, and
makes me want to sing a lot more to myself
m M.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It's also when I read that, I was like, oh,
that's why I immediately start crying when I hear like
gospel music, when like amazing or amazing choral music, or
like musicals.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Well, when I go to like Temple the rare times
I go to Temple and we sing these songs in
a language I don't understand, but I know what it means, and.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I know the words in Hebrew, which is fucking crazy
because I don't speak Hebrew. It's this beautiful like it
feels yeah, it feels a community, yes.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, and that feeling, it's like it's doing the work
for you. Being there and being submerged in that sound
is bonding you to those people that you're doing it with.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Fuck, it's very cool.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I'm gonna not I'm gonna not hide my voice. Next
time Vince and I are driving and he puts a
song on that I know because I'm like, sing really quietly.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, go for it. Who cares? I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Cause that's the other thing is I've always been like
a big loud I came up on like the Anti
Cast album, so like just big loud nos Singing has always.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Been my thing.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
But it's very It's also I think part of for me,
singing is so embarrassing because it's so personal that once
you do it, I think people respond to it because
they know how hard it is. It's like public speaking
or anything else.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
I'm amazed, and I've seen you sing and I'm amazed.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Can't.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I'm so in awe of people who can draw things
that don't look like nothing close to what it's supposed
to be, and people who can sing. It's just it's
it's amazing to me.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, when I first started singing though, doing like doing
songs on stage, the I would say, the first fifteen
times I did it, it was very quiet, like I
couldn't breathe very well, and it was just so but
I just kept doing it anyway.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Somehow, I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's life anyway, Sorry, Yeah, off of me, unfortunately, I'm
going to change the subject off of myself.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And so anyway, all these factors are.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Uh part of that cultural phenomenon. It's basically these people
are figuring out how to self soothe, and it's like
life is really hard. There's you know a lot of
people like have it hard and you know live it's
it's also a very violent place.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
There's a ton of illegal.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Guns there, there's a lot of machismo culturally, a lot
of fighting, and it's so so there's the need for
that kind of release valve and that's where they find it,
which is.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Actually really beautiful.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Totally so, all of these factors, UH contribute to a
disturbing phenomenon that's taken place in the past decade. There
have been over a dozen murders of people singing the
song my Way.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Stop your fucking face? Are you fucking kidding me? That's
where it got to that song, to that, that song
losing my Mind. Like you said that everything leading up
to this was beautiful, I really led you down the
stony p really. I thought it was like and then
Inventor got killed.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I do not expect the craziest thing I've ever heard
in my life.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I'm so excited. Isn't it so good? It's so good.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
When guys said that to me, he was like, have
you heard of the my Way murders and the Philippines.
I was just like, immediately, like, please, let there be
a serial killer that goes around to karaoke bars and
only kills people in their car after the thing.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Whatever, you know what I was gonna stay.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I was gonna say I didn't know what was gonna be,
and I was like, oh, my way must be a
place in fucking the Philippines. My way, Philip, you know,
it's like, hey, say emmy my way and it's gonna
be that.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
No, this is so much more intriguing. It's so good
because so sucks. I'm so sorry for Yeah, tell me everything.
It's rough.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So On May twenty ninth, two thousand and seven, a
twenty nine year old karaoke singer of the song my Way,
and it's if you haven't heard it, it's the Frank
Sinatra hit from nineteen sixty nine. It was written by
Paul Anka and it's basically a biographical song. It was
written for Frank Sinatra. It's just basically like, my career
has been like this because I fucking did it my way. Yes,

(35:40):
it's been hard, but also I kicked ass and it's
super braggy, raggedoci.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's basically a fuck yourself.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
It's a fuck yourself, I did it my way right.
It's a bit self inspired.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
But also fuck you. Frank Sinatra's a dick. I hate
that guy. Do you hate Frank fucking Hey, I think
he's a dick. Well, I love him, and so now
we're going to fight. Oh my god, read what he
did to fucking Mia Pharaoh. Oh no, I know. Yeah,
it's that's rough stuff. Okay, sorry, no, no, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Uh So, a twenty nine year old karaoke singer of
the song my Way at a bar in San Matteo
Rizal was shot dead as he sang the tune by
the bar security guard, who was arrested after the incident.
According to reports, the guard complained that the young man's
rendition was off key, and when the victim refused to
stop singing, the guard pulled out a thirty eight caliber

(36:30):
pistol and shot him dead. Uh So, this, this is
the other thing about the song my Way. It's pretty
hard to sing because it's in this weird key where.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's low it goes up high.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
But there's when you're in the low part, especially if
you're drunk, it's like no, but there is a.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Casual drunkness to it too. The way Franksatra sings it
that it's just like an I actually don't care that
much about the you know.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah, it's almost talk singing in certain Yeah, and it's
it's very it's like a long song.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It's it's draggy, and it's sad.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
It could be like depressing if you're in a bar
drinking and you just want to fucking hang out, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
So.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Uh, it's actually become such a problem that that song
has been taken off of most karaoke bar song lists
because people don't want the problem.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
They don't want already. I'm freaked.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I thought it was one guy who's going around doing this.
It's just like a Okay.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
It's a It's basically it's a thing that causes people
to fight and murder.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Dude, Uh, dude, I'm gonna lose so fucking crazy, okay.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Uh So there was actually an article in New York
Times about it, and the writer asked, are the killings
the natural byproduct of the country's culture of violence, drinking
and machismo, or is there something or is there something
inherently sinister about the song which is kind of funny,
like it's a cursed song that you will die at

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the end, or you know.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
It was one the first person who is mentally unstable
who brought us thirty eight to work and killed a
guy and then everyone else is copying him.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yes, so next so anyways moving Sorry, well but no,
that's I work. It's a good theory.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Most of those karaoke bars that I was describing to
earlier are really violent places anyway. It's like people are
going there to blow off steam. They're going there to
get shit faced. Yeah, there's a lot of schem to
be blown off, and so there's there's lots of fights anyway.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
So there's nefarious people who who are there anyways.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yes, but they often fight over bad singing and the
singing of boring song.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I could see that and.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
They so they're saying it could just reflect the popularity
of the song combined with the popularity of karaoke, combined
with the violent.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
And the competitive nature too of it.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
That's exactly right, because that one videok or whatever, it
literally scores you. So you're in a bar, you're trying
to have a good time on a Friday night. You've
got the hired gals here and the real gals over here,
and you're going up there and you're trying to be cool.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
You don't want to suck.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
And in your drunk mind, I mean, how many times
you've been to karaoke where someone's like, I'm going to
sing like what if God was one of us?

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Or something where you're like, please do us. Fuck you,
I know you're showing off sing something with your fucking friends.
Don't sing Norah Jones at a karaoke bar. Oh my god,
you can't sing like Noura Jones. Just get get some
Should I stay or should I go? Let people have
a good time. The cars always good cars, Blondie's probably
always good blondie cars. Just shut the fuck up. Don't

(39:37):
do fucking Fiona Apple all right?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, yeah, don't bring that. Don't bring that sadness to
your own door.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
No, don't bring me down. Another great bong? All right?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
So, uh, I lost my spot.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I keep talking and naming songs people should sing if
you want.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
No, uh shit, this is a repetitive What was the
second murder? Tell me the second murder?

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I hit.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I'm going to first tell I'm gonna tell everyone in
the meantime. Yeah about uh huh uh.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I got the thing where I click and it flips
me back to the top, and then I lose my spot.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
The only time I've done karaoke where I was like
that was the fucking coolest is I did it at
a bowling alley and Eagle Rock and they happened to
fucking have Dead Kennedys on there. They happened it was
kill the Poor, which is like not it wasn't like the.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Games that starcasm just in case, Yeah it was no, no, no,
it was a song called Killed the Poor.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
No, I know, okay, uh, I'm sorry, I fucking killed it.
Like I already knew those songs because I was fourteen
and obsessed with to Kennedys and I I just fucking
I had a couple.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Of beers already, but people went crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
My three friends that were there and the rest of
the empty bar, yeah, like yeah, they're high five.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Yeah, that's the opposite of the One of the few
times I've done karaoke is my friend put my name
in without telling, Oh fuck you, and you know what
songs she picked for me? Oh no, nothing compares to you.
You that's kind of cute, though, No it isn't because
talk about my way.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
It's a dirge and it's just like your divn't gun.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, it doesn't matter, you can.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Sorry, everyone's going to tweet at us, right now and
be like, yeah, but Karen, that was better than I've
ever said it in my life.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Stop. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
You can you can you can have the best singing
voice in the world. Don't do it to us. It's
that that was basically like a prank songs.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I am you should be able to murder people if
they put your name down without you knowing, and that
is unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, that's actually I just shouldn't have gone. But it
was one of those things where there were so few people.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
And they're like Karen, Karen, Karen, and then they're like, Baha,
get up there, what you're comeding. You're supposed to have
a sense of humor. Yeah, you can't trust us.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Here's the thing, there's such a problem with violence in
karaoke bars that they actually higher gay men or transsexual men.
They call them baklas and there they are there to
diffuse the undercurrent of tension with the male patrons of
karaoke bars because they're not seen as rivals for the women,

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and they're not seen as rivals for the singing, so
they are just and they're there and they it's basically
drag queen comedy, like they come in and make jokes
and like it all. It basically keeps the tension down.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
But most poor that's beautiful. It really is nice.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
But uh, it also is kind of funny that that's
the amount of uh competition and tension in those bars
is so extreme that that happens.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
You know, in the very beginning of the story, they
sounded so chill, and it sounded like families were there.
Uh well yeah, but no.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
But there are places in this world. There's got to
be chuck e cheeses that are fucking dangerous. Man, that
that fucking in somewhere in in the Inland Empire, New
Jersey or the Inland Empire. Fucking that's where mobsters me.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, you don't want to you one bad drunk dad
near the pizza station and you're like, oh, this is
a ruined Saturday.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
And then he gets fucking cement shoes and gets thrown.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
To the ball pit. Oh the mafia guy.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I'm sorry, here's a really good quote and I will
wrap it up here. This guy is this guy that
got interviewed for that New York Times article said and
the Philippines life is difficult, difficult, and he is a
man who repairs watches at a street Kiosk. There's government corruption,
it's a weak economy that's driven a lot of Filipinos

(43:33):
to work overseas. His own wife is a maid in Lebanon,
and so he says, but you know, we have a
saying don't worry about your problems. Let your problems worry
about you. Yeah, that's right. So that's they're just trying
to deal I Also, there's just a couple on the
Wikipedia page they had other karaoke rage incidents in other countries,

(43:57):
which is kind of funny, just saying it's not Some
people get.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Really competitive about karaoke. There have been several reported cases
of singers being assaulted, shot, or stabbed mid performance, usually
over how the songs are sung. In Malaysia, a man
in two thousand and eight in a coffee shop was
performing and he hogged the karaoke microphone so long that
he was stabbed to death by other patrons plural all

(44:22):
and everyone had a knife on them. Yeah, what it
was like butter knives. Butter knives, So it's like took
forever to stab and this is rough.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
In Thailand, a man was arrested because he shot eight
of his neighbors to death. One of whom was his
own brother in law, because they were singing take Me Home,
Country Roads repeatedly and terribly.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
We've talked about my ex roommate who just sang Moonshadows.
I played the bassin sang Moonshadows just into the night.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I'm being followed by a moonshadow. That's all. Wait, what's
the other one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
That one that over and she was a bass player,
so she was playing it on bass like it wasn't
even guitar.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Oh my god, So I get it. Yeah, I murdered
her too.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
A man hacked two other men to death with a
meat cleaver over a fight over a karaoke.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Microphone in China one time. Who the fuck new? I mean,
it's it's pretty intense.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I mean I get it. I get angry at karaoke
when I get an evite to a friend, a friend's
birthday party at a karaoke like private room. Yes, like
I don't want to I want to go sit at
the bar and talk to you. Yeah, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Want to watch you sing abba bad.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
And like drink so much soake that I have a headache. Yeah,
and pay eighteen dollars for chicken wings.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Well, be grateful that you live in a country where
you basically don't have to sing karaoke all the time,
because it sounds like that's kind of just what people do.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Oh, that's true. It's like you can't be like, no,
I'd rather go bowling. Everyone's like bowling, that's not a thing. Here?
Are you crazy? We don't do that?

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I mean, can we start ski bawling instead of karayoking?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Do you know how happy that would make me? Do
you know how shot you would get? Every ready? Yeah,
that's my murder. I'm done that. I love that. It's
pretty good. Right. I would have never known about that.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
I know me either, But I really I have to
admit I really did want it to be just one
guy in like a trench coat who would watch you
sing my Way and then kill you in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Well, we're going to write this, Nicholas Cage. Are you available?
I feel like you might be.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Nick I have a sinking sensation.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
You're going to be a gritty cop, a gritty X
cop hired as a security guard.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Where's where's limb Defoe come in? Where is he?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
He's doing a lot of Snacker's commercials right now, but
I think we could get him on this project.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, we're back. Wow, Karen.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
And the updates I mean, not specifically, just the update
of being reminded by going back to this story that
when I first heard about the my Way killings, I
truly thought there was a singular serial killer killing anyone
at a karaoke bar that was singing that song.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
We still need to write it, I mean, we absolutely should.
It still needs to be writ but also the amount
of work that would take. Oh yeah, it's so specific.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, but yeah, we could get We have our own
media company now we can fund it, film it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Remember we were a green screen Oh my god, we'd
shoot it right in there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I thought you meant we could fund a person that
would do that. It's like, I don't really want to
invest in that. I think that's wrong. Here's the updates
I can give you. But since twenty sixteen, there have
been no widely reported incidents specifically linked to the singing
of Frank Sinatra's My Way in karaoke settings. However, karaoke
related violence, of course, continues to occur globally, usually stemming

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from disputes over performances and then parenthetically, I would add
and too much liquor.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, because one they're one and the same.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
They You know, you get there, you think you have it,
you know, the pride, the beer, well, maybe a couple
of whiskey shots. Someone sings way better than you. You
get up and your dream dies.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
What was the last karaoke song you sang? It was
the when my friend made me saying nothing compares to you.
Oh that's good. It's just like never doing this again. No,
I won't do it again. I might, I won't, I should.
I mean I feel like it would be really freeing
who's hair?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yeah, I won't never do it in front of strangers again,
like at a bar night, but I'll do it with
friends if it struck me, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yes, because actually the last time I really did karaoke,
I just didn't think of it because it wasn't a
karaoke bar. It was those individual booths and I was
in the New York City.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Those are the best.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
And this was my favorite because my friend Haley was
kind of drunk and she kept she wanted to do
an entrance for her song, so she took the mic
and the mic cord and walked out into the hallway
and then kept missing the intro because she couldn't hear
the beginning of the song.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's such a drunk thing to do.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Like four times I was I was like, please stop,
I'm laughing so hard, like it was the best bit
and she was not doing it on purpose at all.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
It reminds me of the cat, like something a cat
would do. Yeah, you know what I mean, where they're
just like no, I've got this.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
They're like I started over, I'll do it last time.
And it's like if you can't hear it out there,
you'll miss it every time.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Always. You can't knock to start.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Na whatever abb a song she was trying to say,
Oh my god. So there have been Alison Agassiar, writer
who went through and found us some karaoke violence stories.
They're notable. For example, in Parks, Australia, Elvis Presley impersonator
Bernie Perry was found dead in his home after a
karaoke night at the Royal Hotel.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
And a fellow musician was charged with his murder. Wow, yes,
so you know, I think.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
The drama around karaoke continues always.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, tell us your karaoke stories for hometowns. Scars, good one.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
We want to hear your fucking, horrible, wonderful, worst, best
karaoke stories. Yes, send them to my favorite murder at Gmail.
Please have you been discovered at karaoke? Did you get
broken up with because of your karaoke performance?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
That would be amazing. Please let us know.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
God, my fantasy is that I'm with friends a karaoke
night starts, I don't want to do it, everyone makes
me do it, and then I sing some awesome like
rih honesty, like something genuinely cool. Yeah, And that's why
it'll never happen, right, because that's not how karaoke were.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Last time I thought about this when I was drunk
and I'm like, what is going to be my karaoke song?
I think it needs to be Doja Cat's Paint the
Town Red? But I can't sing like her, So it's
like I thought of that, not even at karaoke. So
that's a terrible idea, right, But one time Vince and
his friend Jesse did I Put Your Picture Away by
Kid Rock.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And Cheryl Crow, which I just think is the funniest.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I don't think I could fucking I think I would
just piss myself laughing.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Also, those two dudes are the most dude dude, just
like beer in hand.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
How's it going? Types of Sheryl Crow and kid Dad?
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, all right, well now it's time for Georgia's story.
This is the murder of Scott A Major.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
We're just hard workers. It's your time to shine, all right,
mine's some I think this episode is a pop culture episode, okay,
And we actually touched on this and I didn't. I
didn't go as deep into this earlier as I wanted
to because I was like, we're getting into my murder territory,

(51:37):
all right, Karen, Yes, nineteen ninety five, I remember, do
you remember what you used to do and you'd come
home from school or when you'd wake up at three
pm and you'd sit down with a bowl of cereal? Karen?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Would you watch daytime talk shows like Maury Povich, Yes,
and like.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Jenny Joe thank you? Yeah? And for example, yeah, Jenny Giones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
All right, so this this one I want to I
feel like a lot of young listeners who don't know
what it.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Was like.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Back then, before reality TV shows, we had uh, daytime
talk shows that were introducing us to interesting characters. And
fucked up things, and it was all sillacious and shitty
and tawdry, but it was fascinating and amazing and sometimes
great some of the things.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Then sometimes there would just be makeovers.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Something I was gonna say. So there would be I wrote,
like a couple of things. Light detector cheating, so like
a guy would come out in the megaraye cheating on me,
light detector, out of control, teens just love that, sent
him that boot camp, send them boo right in their face, yes,
scream in their face.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
And then I wrote fucked up makeovers. Yeah, because they
always like, you don't drust like a mom, because you're wrong,
and they always rhyme. They always rhyme.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
And then there would be a weird entrance where they
would walk down like a fake cat walk at the end.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
But to me, I was always like, I liked you
better when you had that weird leopard print tank.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
You look so boring now, yeah that and then the
audience would just scream shit.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
It was just like a free for all. Yeah, and
it was fun, good time and let me watch the
shit out of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So one of those people that had a show because
everyone was getting that at the time, but I actually
liked the show a lot. Was the Jenny Jones Show,
and Jenny Jones had been I don't know when I
was a.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Stand up Jenny Jones was a stand up comic. I
would just slide this one in, please who was on?

Speaker 5 (53:33):
She?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
And she always wore a tiny blue sequin dress for
her sets. She had really big blonde hair. She was
basically kind of like the cheesecake stand up comic girl
that was like, I look like this, but no, I'm
gonna no, I'm gonna get real and tell you stuff
like this.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
So it was like she would be.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Quote unquote playing against her own type sure in her
stand up comedy.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Well, thank you for doing my research, because I totally
meant to do.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
That, no problem.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
So all right, a lot of fucked up, Oh, a
lot of fucked up episodes. Let's get to March sixth,
nineteen ninety five, when an episode was taped that was
the promise was people revealing their crushes. All right, So
one guy named Jonathan Schmitiz, who's twenty six. He's brought

(54:20):
in under the guys of someone has a big secret
crush on you, and the crush will be revealed on stage.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Okay, I just have to say, in a setup like this,
I feel like this is everyone's dream come true.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Like, isn't that we all want it to be?

Speaker 3 (54:34):
On this this stuff of like, but even aside from
being on TV, the idea of someone going someone likes you.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I've been obsessed with you and I'm I'm crazy about you.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Like when your friend goes, oh my god, you know
who likes you. Isn't that like basically a high point
of life. That's kind of like totally what we all
live for.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
When you find out and it's like, I don't know,
I feel like this is so nineties and such a
like we passed notes. We didn't have writing on people's
message boards and social media. Yeah, we passed notes, and
we passed rumors and gossip through our friends, and there
was no other way of fucking handling it exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
You couldn't find out what anybody was doing or where
anyone was going. Was all gossip, all gossip.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
What the producers didn't tell Jonathan was that the actual
name of the show was same Sex Crushes revealed. They
didn't tell him that Jonathan was straight. So he goes
on the show. As he says out of curiosity. He
later claims that the producers implied that the admirer was

(55:36):
a woman, so they didn't they didn't keep him in
the dark. They told him as a woman, although they
claimed they didn't tell him that, and they told him
that he would meet the girl of his dreams. Oh
so he's on stage and they're like building it up
as they do. I mean, these shows were great at

(55:58):
doing this kind of thing. Yeah, Demayer comes out and
it's Scott Bernard.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Am It.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Oh god, I meant to look this up, amdure and
he was in a quaintance of Schmidt's. They had lived
near each other in Lake Orian, Michigan. And when Scott
comes out, he he reveals his crush to Jonathan. Jonathan
is visibly shaken and embarrassed apparently, and states that he's heterosexual.

(56:26):
But he laughs it off and he's amiable. And then
Scott goes on to tell the audience about a fantasy
that involved Jonathan and whipped cream and strawberries and champagne.
And then that's when Jonathan becomes enraged on camera, I
think in his heart. Okay, okay, yeah, not on camera.

(56:49):
So this and so another thing for like nineteen ninety
five we'd be able to understand, is that that homophobia
was fucking I know, it seems like we're a different
place now, but homophobia was hard fucking core.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Also, it was it It was completely okay culturally for
people to be homophobic.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Even if you weren't homophobic, Making gay jokes was okay.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
It happened constantly.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Yeah, and there was no there were no voices to say, hey,
go fuck yourself, or you're in the wrong or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Okay, this is the you don't understand.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
The prevailing attitude was like that's funny, or that's that's
something to mock, or that's something disgusting, or it's you.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Know, it's it's a very different time and that's not
that long ago, which is so troubling, and so that,
you know, In nineteen ninety one, Paul Brossard, who was
a twenty seven year old Houston area banker, died after
a gay bashing incident outside of Houston nightclub where nine
high schoolers beat and stabbed him to die. And this

(57:56):
was what life was like back then. You can't not mention.
Matthew Shepp in ninety eight. Nineteen ninety eight that was
ninety eight, ninety eight. He was beaten, tortured, and left
to ultimately die in laram U, Wyoming. So this was
this wasn't a like, you know, we'll make fun of
gay people time. This was a if you're in certain

(58:16):
parts of the country and certain people want to fuck
with you and you're gay. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
to say that it doesn't happen now as well.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
But there's such it's just a totally different There are
people who will speak up against it everywhere you go.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
There's a shift of understanding that that that and.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
A shift of identity of people that are saying all
those all the prevailing attitudes of like this is a
deviance as opposed to no, I am your relative, I'm
your brother, your friend. It's people that you know, this
isn't some aberration that it's like.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
It's not an affliction, it's who, it's a it's an identity.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
And also it's the majority of the popular, not the
majority of the population, but it's an aunt There used
to be a like there was a government an old,
old government projection that said ten percent of the population
was gay, when it's way way high. Yeah, So it's
just that thing of like you know, it's it's an
educational process that's taken us forever.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
And it's great.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I mean, as much as I fucking hate the Internet,
it's like there's you would never have known what a
huge population of people who are way fucking different than
you and every way are out there unless you know
you had that the internet right and people have a
voice now, yeah, yeah, fuck yeah. So let's cut back
to three days after the taping and Scott leaves a

(59:44):
suggestive note on Jonathan's At Jonathan's house, Jonathan finds the
note and withdraws money from the bank, purchases a shotgun,
and then went over to Scott's mobile. He questions Scott

(01:00:04):
about the note, and then Jonathan goes back to his car,
gets his gun.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
And goes back to the trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
He shoots Scott twice in the chest with a twelve
gauge buckshot at such close range that paper wadding from
the shotgun shell ended up on Scott's heart, while a
fragment of the other shells casing entered his leftlong So
like this is a look at me while I'm fucking
killing you situation. After killing Scott, Jonathan leaves the residence

(01:00:38):
and he calls nine one one and confesses Wow. Yeah, okay,
so let's see, Okay. During the trial, he's arrested. During
the trial, it stated that Scott's friend, Scott's friend says
that after the taping of the Jenny Own show, Scott

(01:01:01):
and Jonathan actually went out drinking together and had an
alleged sexual encounter. So it's possible this whole thing. I mean,
that's that's a weird element to it. They don't talk
about a lot in a lot of these articles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
It's allegen it's hearsay. Yeah, yeah, it's subtle hearsay, but
let's hearsay that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
That's yeah, it kind of it puts the it puts
the level of anger into It makes a little more
sense to me, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Or it could be a lie. It could be a
lie to justify uh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
No, no, no, but this is this is Scott's friend,
this is the guy gets killed. Friends said that that
they went out together that night.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
But okay, okay, no, no, I'm just I'm just saying
alleged is a big word. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
So, he's found guilty of second dary murder in nineteen
ninety six, sentenced to twenty five to fifty years in prison.
Convictions overturned upon retrial, found guilty of the same charge
once again, sentence reinstated. In nineteen ninety nine, Scott's family
sues the Jenny Jones Show, Telepictures and Warner Brothers for

(01:02:07):
the ambush tactics and their negligent.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Role that led to the death of Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
The jury found that the Jenny Jones Show was irresponsible
and negligent, and that the show intentionally created an explosive
situation without due concern for the possible consequences, which is
like fucking every reality show right now too. The Michigan
jury found the Jenny Jones Show negligent and responsible for

(01:02:35):
the events. They gave Scott's family over twenty five million
six point five in funeral costs and burial, five million
for the pain and suffering, and ten million each for
loss of companionship and compensation, but the judgment was later
overturned by the Michigan Court of Appeals in a two

(01:02:56):
to one judgment, and the Michigan Supreme Court declined to
hear the case, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Then they never had to pay that money. No, it
wasn't Jenny Jones's and it wasn't their fault, you know,
although there was apparently a letter saying that that the was.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It seems like they didn't fucking tell him what he
was expecting, and uh, you know, so it's so they're
at fault and the producers decided not to air the show.
But you can see it on Court TV's coverage of
the trial, and it's also featured in an HBO documentary
called Talked to Death.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Oh but man, wow, it's so fucking sad, isn't it.
Well Also, it makes me think, because you said like
that I could happen again. But I bet you. After that,
a shit ton of rules were put into place, Yeah,
by production companies that were like and if you do this,
you have to do this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Like's like say something like on Maury Povich or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Like I'm sure all those other really exploitive Sally Jeter
like Cheaters recently. Yeah, yeah, Cheaters was crazy. I used
to watch it all the time. But I mean that's
like kind of stab. Yeah, yeah, the host got started. Yes,
that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
What I've always had a problem with is so you
when you're on a TV show or you're going to
be in an area where there's taping, you have to
sign a you know, a waiver saying you're okay with
your your you know your image.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
But you know, I bet they had him sign that
before this happened. No, here's the thing, tell me everything.
Here's what I know is that it's only in certain
states that you have to do that. And because there's
certain states where like in New York City, you can film,
you can walk down the street and film and you're
and you're fine, in California you can't do that. So

(01:04:48):
in California, like when we would, like on jobs I've had,
you have to stick signs up.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Now in New York you have to do the same thing.
You have to put up a sign that says you're
about to walk past a rolling camera, whateverss exactly. But
in California you have to have waivers. So if you
if we would do man on the street stuff and
there'd be a lady that would walk behind the interview
and then go blah blah blah it was something great
that you wanted to use, you'd have to have PA's

(01:05:13):
run down to get that lady to make sure she signed,
or you could not use the footage because basically the
footage then becomes the proof, you know what I mean,
Like they have an open and shotcase that like, yeah,
you film me and I didn't say you could, and
you don't have the paper that says I said you could,
so you can't use it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
So what about when you worked on like talk shows
and you had guests that would come in like they
signed shit beforehand like that anything you say can be aired.
You can't go back and be like I didn't expect
this question to be asked of me, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Want this on a well, no you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
They do do that, like ask questions that they weren't
either prepped for or whatever. But that's more that goes
into like more of a celebrity thing. They would I
don't think they'd do that too, like human interest guests
that much. But in the celebrity world where they're like, Okay,
this is the person that just had the affair and
it's in the news and everyone knows this person just
had the affair, and so the publicist is like, you

(01:06:07):
will not be talking about the affair and the uaving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Exactly, and then the producer goes, of course we won't.
Of course we won't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
And then when they're sitting there, everybody makes that call.
They literally make that call where they're just like, ask
the question, the question gets asked, The celebrity answers the
question because they're in that situation where were there?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
What are they going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
And then I want to be rude, and the publicist
goes batship and Anna's backstage, I've seen this, I mean
like that, I haven't. It's not like I've been in
those gotcha situations. I've never worked on gotcha shows like that.
But that is a thing that's done where then it
becomes a political thing. But usually between the publicist and
the show where it's like I will never come back,

(01:06:47):
none of my clients will come here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I will pull this, and but they're like, this is
this worth losing all those clients because Angelina Jolie said,
whatever the fuck about our marriage, it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
It's worth the ratings will be the first people to
have had the word on this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
And then the publicist sees that the movie that they're
making gets way more fucking people watching because they saw
this thing at that way, which.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I can't deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
It's crazy because that it really is that thing where
that whole world of like bad publicity is there's no
such thing as bad publicity, because it really is true.
With the way social media is and the way the
digital world has changing entertainment, that kind of stuff is
like there are people that plant their own gotcha stuff
because they know. It's the same thing of like how

(01:07:30):
the Kardashians call the paparazzi on themselves, we're going to
be here. It's that thing where people, when you people
have learned over time that being in that victim stance
actually can be good for your peer, and so they'll
do it or they'll set it up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Like if they feel that this is a question they
weren't expecting and they're being suddenly open and honest when
really they fucking knew it was going to happen, And
then they get played as a victim.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
But they magically handle it so well suddenly the public
who you know, it's kind of a thing that I know, well,
wasn't I don't think I shouldn't say. I know, I
do not know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure
When Hugh Grant went on LENO to talk about when
he got caught with Divine Brown, and he was married
and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
The way he handled that go back to ninety five, right,
was it around them? He handled that so beautifully perfect
because it was like he basically went ooh, I blushing
and like yeah, I'm sorry and bad whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
And it's the thing that up until that point, any
publicist would tell an actor in that position you can't
go on a talk show, or if you do, they
will not talk about this whatever. And instead suddenly we
see how this situation can be handled in a different way,
and you can turn an entire culture back onto your side.
And so basically this is just one more Karen ruining

(01:08:47):
TV for everybody. But it's that things like these things
are strategized and planned out so much more than anybody thinks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
It makes me ill and it's the reason why I
yeah at the TV all the time. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I cannot watch late night talk shows. I can't watch
those interviews. It makes me want to scream. Okay, Karen,
I heard you into the fucking beach lately.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Oh my god, that's so funny you bring that up
because it's weird. Yeah, and the weirdest, creepiest part I'm
not acting anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Now, the weirdest, creepiest part is there are people that
are so good like you. You can watch people who
have done the same story on more than one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
And they look like they're just like, oh my god,
I'm just saying I'm just remembering this. Oh, that's right.
That birthday was so crazy where you're just like, oh,
this is just what. This is a completely orchestrated conversation.
Nothing is real. Nothing is real.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Speak for yourself. Question authority Timothy Larry Goobye.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
No, I'm on acid right now. No, I just can't.
I just can't. It's not reality. It's not real, and
it scares me. And it's not TV, it's HBO. What
Why did they get a plug?

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
We've been plugging so much shit that did, like Time,
Time magazine, fucking book.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Hey, check out Time magazine. Everybody words, they don't fuck it.
They haven't paid us to plug them fucking pumpkins. Uh man, guys,
that was you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
I like that because it was like kind of different,
still on theme, but then we both took it in
a little bit of a different direction.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
No children got killed this episode, that's right, that's rare.
Could we just aim for that once a month? Sorry? Yeah,
just once a month and a fucking child.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Did you see somebody made an I'm sorry where they
made the I'm really small.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
It was basically like the visual and it was perfect.
That's exactly what. Sorry. Yeah, that's good stuff. All right,
we've done it again. We've done it. Yeah. Wait, this
is episode forty. Yeah, episode forty. Yeah, Oh my god,
look at us go that's crazy and I'm proud of us.

(01:11:01):
I'm proud of us too. We've been friends for forty weeks.
Here's to twenty more. No, there's the one week I
got married and your mom died. Oh that's right, I'm sorry.
So I'm sorry I got married. We've been friends for
thirty nine weeks. That was the realist week of all though,
and we're so casual about it. So are you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
We're not because we didn't have any There's nobody march Man,
nobody here in March.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
And I was like, this is a thing. Yeah, no
one cared. You're like, I like that girl from that
thing and that girl from that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Oh listen, we have to tell each other one good
thing from this week. Oh good, idea, you go first,
because I can't think of anything I'll always forget that part.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
My thing is that I really reconnected with Mimi, my cat.
Mim what I know, it's so stupid, but liked like,
I'm obsessed with Elvis. He's my fucking Why are you
laughing at me?

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
It's true because you're you're as you're telling me, you're
petting mem like, but you're it's a little doctor Evily
or you're like, we got eye to eye and brain
to brain. Uh, can I pluck my their Instagram?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
It's Elvis and Mimi sure on Instagram, and she's just
I've always been scared to love her because I thought
Elvis wouldn't love me anymore for it. Wow, I know,
I'm fucking insane. I have a what's it called that?
When your cats? But I have worms in my head?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Toxic plus says thank you Stephen feline A.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
And then suddenly I realized what it's to be angel
she is and Elvis gives zero shits about anything but cookies.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
It's very true. We're good. It was nice to like,
it's been nice to. I love cats. Go on, they're
pretty great. Yeah, these ones are sweet. I like you guys,
which is rare for them, not for people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
To like you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
But yeah, pretty written. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Okay, this whole time, I've been scrambling in my head. Okay,
this fine, I'll just do it. And this is honest.
This is at least I'm being honest. The shirt I'm
wearing right now is my favorite shirt I've ever owned
in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
It looks amazing. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
It's just a salmon and navy striped shirt that I
got at Crossroads. Steven, you look like like a hot pirate. Hey,
But the pocket, I there's something about it. It like
reminds me of high school. It reminds me of all
these things. It's really weird, but then I appreciate the thinness,
Yeah of it. It's yet it's super comfortable, substantial. Yeah,

(01:13:32):
and it's a little tiny bit blowsy. But then it
also it's just it's working for me in every way
to the points earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
It's the thing I do as an a copper drape.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
It's like that, you know, it's like, oh, she's womanly,
but she's not trying to throw it in my face.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
That's right. I actually cover it up to make you
want it more. It's a very victorian of the more.
Later she put on the more I'm like, what could
be under there?

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I'm I'm gonna start wrapping a scarf round my neck
and then you're going to be so into me and then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It'll be like, does her neck fall off? When you
mean that? Halloween story? Scary stories to tell Stephen? What
is it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Scary stories to hallow the door? Serious, having a nervous breakdown.
You know what Stephen's saying right now to us with
this laughing, This is Derek laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Is end this fucking pot. You guys are out of
your Stop talking about every scary stories to tell them
the dark? Don't even look at up Stephen. You take
off the neck listeners, never take my scar over taken?
And then and then her head falls off and she says,
I told you not to take it. And then he
puts it on a stick and he walks down the
street of Sacramento with it. You guys, thank you so
much for listening. We love you. We're totally insane.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Stay sexy, plea, Oh, don't get murdered? Rate review subscribe
on on Instagram. I mean, where God to Elvis, Elvis
save us?

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Do you want to cook e? What cookie? What cookie? Yeah?
We both get shut ah, so we're back. Do you

(01:15:05):
have any updates on the story? I actually do so.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
In August twenty seventeen, Jonathan Schmitz was granted parole and
released from prison after serving twenty two years of his sentence.
Scott Ameter's brother, Frankometer said to the Associated Press at
the time, quote, I'd like to know that he learned something,
that he's a changed man, is no longer homophobic, and has.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Gotten psychological care. End quote.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
A Michigan Department of Correction spokesman told people he was
released because of good behavior credit. Schmitz has kept a
low profile since his release and is still in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
So that's that. I mean, Yeah, such a sad story.
It's a terrible story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Yeah, and I know a ton about it because my
old boss was there when it happened, so wild and
they used to talk about how horrible it was all
the time, Just like that thing of You Go from
That was very like eighties nineties television that they used
to try to produce in the you know, daytime Wars
and trying to get numbers and so shows like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
It was Ricky Lake and Jenny Jones and all that.
Sally Jesse ry Like for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Some reason, they came on at like three thirty, so
you'd get home from school. Why did they come on
when children got home from school.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
I was traumatized. We binged that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
It was like there was an episode of Donahue where
basically the KKK comes to like speak on their own behalf.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, and it is the most upsetting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
I was just sitting there as a twelve year old
like bawling, and then this amazing black woman stood up
and was like, y'all need to sit down. You're in
New York City now and the whole audience is on Donahue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
That's amazing. It was great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah, those I mean that that transformed our childhoods somehow,
and somehow we're still successful people. I mean it's really
or maybe we're maybe it's because of I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It opened the door to reality. I mean that was
like the beginning of true reality television. Even though it
was very produced and often fake, but it's some of
it started and was very real. Yeah, so crazy the characters.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Okay, just really quick, I forgot about the navy and
salmon striped shirt that I was talking about was my
favorite shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
I would kill for that shirt these days, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Is long gone. I can't keep anything that I like
is gone in like three months.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Why becauld you wear it so much? As balls and heart?
I know it's like I bring it places and then
I've left it somewhere. I don't know. It's so irritating.
But like that shirt when I was when I was
reading this, I was just like, oh, like, bring it back.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
So someone find that shirt please on what's it called?
One of those sites?

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
All right, So we would hate to change squad Gords
as this moment of Georgia's you know, organic and natural
brain genius.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
But maybe we would call this episode if we were
to change the title today, we would call it Let's
start with the prayer.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Oh, George is always going religious at the beginning of
the show. Just me, It's who I am. I'm weird
like that. The beginning of my prayer was Dear Oprah,
so we could name it Dear Oprah. We should, We
always should. Oh wow, yeah, good one episode.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Episode forty. We're really we're really getting into our podcasting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Chop this nine hundred more ago. But thank you guys
for listening, and we'll keep doing it. If you keep
listening on Wednesdays. We got we got Mondays, we got Wednesdays,
we've got Thursdays. We have so many options for you,
and we appreciate whichever you listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
We appreciate everything you do, and we'd also appreciate it
if you'd stay sex and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cooki

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