Rewind with Karen & Georgia - Episode 42: Abject Failure

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This week, K & G recap Episode 42: Abject Failure. In this episode, which aired days after the 2016 election, they read hilarious reviews of products on Amazon and shared six listener hometown stories. Tune in for all-new commentary, updates and much more!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last Hello, Hello, and welcome to rewind with Karen and Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It is Wednesday, as I like to call it Rewindsday.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
I love that. And this is a show where we
recap our old episodes with all new commentary, updates and insights.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Today we're recapping episode forty two. It's a tough one.
We named it abject Failure.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
You'll see. You'll understand why once you start listening. It's
very accurate for the time.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
This episode came out on November tenth, so like five
days after the worst thing of all time in twenty sixteen.
The vibes are bad. We are just trying to hold on,
trying to help other people hold on.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We do our best. Let's take a moment and emotionally
prepare to listen to the intro of episode forty two.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Are you gonna Belch? This belch is brought to you
by Chipotle.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chipotle, when life is empty and you need beans.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
When your heart is empty and you need to fill
your gut, go to Chipotle. This isn't an ad, and
started out. I know they're like, these ads are getting
so casual. Oh no, I just feel a little broken today.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Uh huh? Why? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Didn't I tell you, no, No, I've been away. I
was in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
The world's crashing down around our head. Oh I didn't realize.
Oh yeah, it's true. Well, this is The Day After,
you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Which is one of the great nuclear war scare films
from the eighties. You really haven't seen it, and you
want a different kind of scare entertainment. The Day After
is one of the most upsetting things I was left
alone to watch when I was eleven years old.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I feel like that is the exact opposite, exact opposite
of what I need to be watching right now.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Considering the circumstances.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Do not watch it, which is that not only did
Hillary lose, Trump won the presidency, Yeah, scared for.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Her, Chilstein didn't come in as that third party candidate
to tear it away.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Not only I would have been fine. I would have fine.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
You know what's funny is.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
There's nothing at all, So let's get this done.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
We just start fighting.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
What's funny that it seems like, first of all, it's
one hundred degrees in Los Angeles today, so there's a
hellscape feel to all of life right now.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's very surreal and it's really quiet. It doesn't. I mean,
like this is California. It's very quiet.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
People are like I feel like people are looking inside themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
People are devastated, and I just want to like hold
everyone's hand that I see. Not that I left the
house much today, but when I did, it was like
I wanted to apologize to everyone who is going to
be fucked, you know, yeah, including us. I mean, who
knows in all different ways. But here's what I was

(03:16):
trying to do. This is what I did, which I
never do. I was just letting everybody merge in front
of me today, and I came anywhere near me with
a blanker on. I was like, go ahead, I admire,
Ar'm out the window. Go ahead, everybody go.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Maybe, well I'll be friends now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
It's I mean, I don't know. I was so cocky yesterday,
you know what I mean. Yeah, the conversation I had
with the dude I ordered lunch from was so like
he was like, I'm scared. I'm like, we're gonna be fine. Yeah,
we got this jokey joke. Yeah, And I want to
go back there and be like, I'm sorry I took
your fucking worry, not seriously.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But that's what it Wasn't that you weren't taking it seriously.
That's what everybody was doing. Yeah, I mean I feel
like that's what everyone down to political pollar pundits we're doing.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
The faces on Ann matt Ow Maddox when her when
she kind of realized what was going on was when
I was like, goodbye, go into the wine bar. Will
bothers be like okay, so and sorry, this is becoming
a political pocket, Like this is just so new and
we need to I'm just like, I don't know how
we're going to do this, but like it's it's when

(04:23):
bush one, I was like, oh, well, everyone's going to
see what a mistake that was because it's going to
affect them. But the people that this is going to
affect aren't the people who voted for him. It's the
people who aren't are minorities. It's not going to affect
anyone who voted for it.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
And also what's weird is there were some minorities that
voted for him. I mean, there's there was a uh
it was a con. It's a long con and uh,
you know who knows who knows? Hilary said we have
to give him a chance and see what happens.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Who knows. But if you're stoked, if you're stoked.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Today, you know, we envy that position that you think
that you have solved a problem by putting Donald Trump
into the presidency. It must feel great. Yeah, I personally
was so thrilled the idea of a woman.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It was so exciting. Enjoy your naivity.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And what's been great though, is that like for all
the posts I put up and on on my favorite
murder boards and stuff, not a single person has responded
and been like fuck you, you know, like I think
everyone who follows us for my favorite murder reasons.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
No, no, no, you saw the ship?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, come to Twitter, really, come to the bus stop
that is Twitter.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
See what people are really saying.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, it's a nice idea, but no, okay, which
is why I don't think we should talk about politics,
because it's basically just telling people don't be interested in this. Okay,
let's start then, unless you don't want to start, I mean,
let's start the podcast.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Any anything, any housekeeping? Do you have no housekeeping? I
thought I probably did yesterday.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I guess that I can talk about the thing I
loved which I saw on the Facebook page, which was
there was a Murderino meetup in Colorado that was so awesome, Like,
I kept looking at the picture this morning. It really
gave me a lot of good feeling.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
This morning.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I went straight to that Facebook page like the second
I woke up and just looked at all these people
communicating with each other and the thing that they wrote
about about this meetup of all these people talking about
this thing that they're interested in, but then also talking
about getting a self defense class started. They were just
and they like all looked like they were just kind

(06:47):
of hanging with friends. They all looked they look like
people who all went to high school together, Like looked
like a group of people. Yeah, and that's I find
that incredibly touching that people. To me at the end
of the day, that's what it's all about. It's like
people are actually connecting with the other human beings. Yeah,
did I tell you speaking of making friends? Oh, I
have to tell you about my acupuncturist and how I went.

(07:10):
I've been seeing her for like a few a couple
of months now for my the.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Sciatica issue, and she's been really fucking helping me. And
she's this wonderful like soft spoken, sweet person. She reminds
me of like a kindergarten teacher and.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Wait is it where is it? Silver? Like, oh, at
the doo, it's not at the doao.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Of no, okay, shout out to Holly. She I came
into to get my acupuncture this week last week and
she was like, so one of my clients knows I'm
into true crime and said to me, you need to
listen to this podcast and she's like, I listened to
three episodes of it before.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I was like, I wonder who these girls are. And
then she's like, then I looked at it, I was you.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
She don't even know it was me while she was listening,
but she's like, I like it a lot, And then
of course told me her hometown murder where she's fucking
awesome San Diego, and about like a girl who got
killed from high school and her mom got killed and
it turned out that they were into dealing drugs and shit,
and the cops initially thought that it was like the

(08:13):
serial killer that was going around at the time, and
they're like, it doesn't fit the mo o, but maybe
it is. And then they found out that they were
dealing drugs.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
And wow, I know.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
That just reminded me I had a similar experience at
the rap party for my job.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I'm not going to be able to remember her name now.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
It might be Cassie, it might be something with an O,
but anyway, I met a Cassio keyboard from the eighties
and I put it on Boston Nova and danced by
myself at a rapt yelling murderino and it was basically
all I got to get the murder me know, Karen,
stop it, you're sober, Karen.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
This is why this is a rap Party's because we
all wanted to get it's actually still going on.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
We were just trying to convince you that it's over.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
We're trying to wrap you personally out of this to
be nice, so I wouldn't be surprised. But anyway, she
uh worked, she works. I can't remember where she works
somehow on the show. Sorry, her name is something, and
she works. Her name is something. She means the world

(09:17):
to me. She works somewhere, and she's blonde. She was
so sweet.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
She works for.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
The show somehow, but like in a like for the
network or for publicy or something where it's not in
our office or whatever.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
So it's okay that you're like you didn't work with
her for four months and then not or.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Never seen her, never matter.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Also there's a chance she doesn't work on the show,
and it was her roommate that works on the show,
now that I'm thinking about it. But end of the day,
the fun part is she she listened to the podcast
and wanted to know what show I was working on
when I would talk about it, and then she so
she goes and then I saw you here.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Now I know what show.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
You've been working It was. It was very fun and exciting.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Just remember now now that I'm this fog of depression
is listening over me a little bit because I'm laughing
for the.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
First time yea since yesterday. It's key, It's crucial, it
really is.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Uh So to one the Americana in Glendale. I go
into Madewell, who makes great jeans, great expensive jeans. This
is like my first time my life not buying ten
dollars jeans, and I get a pay, I buy, go,
I go to put one on. I go to grab
a pair, and then of course the ones that are

(10:29):
on top fall to the ground as they do. Right
as this, like sweet girl comes up to me to like,
can I help? And I thought, I was like, I'm
so sorry. I was like, I'm the I'm sorry making
a message.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
She's like scared because these jeans are expensive, right, And
I just toppled a bunch of men. She's like, are
you Georgia And I.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Was like yes, and she's like, we listen to we
we heard that the Jay Cruse shout out that you
had done and like, will we do that too?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yes, they were so sweet. We've spread to the Americana.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
The Americana made well ladies, what's up?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Tiger girls and guys?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
And yesterday I think I just met girls, so it's okay.
Yesterday I went to the French restaurant in Echo Park
to try to watch the End of the World.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
And it was too crowded for me. But as I
walk in.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
This table like hot hi at me and I just
high back because I don't ever recognize anyone, you know,
and they're like murdering.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I was like, oh, but I don't know, and they
were just random, fucking wow Jesus, that's so that's.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Three yeah, And then I left immediately because it was
too crowded. I made the mime of I'm gonna go
slip my wrist somewhere else at them.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Then I did.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Real fun suicide.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
You're gonna go ahead and go.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Down the street where it's quiet.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, I like that. I feel like this part of
the podcast might to an outsider, yeah scene, oh yeah,
uh self indulgent, but as we have had to answer
in in uh even that, what I'm trying to say
is that this is very new to us, and so

(12:04):
when these things happen, it's still hilarious and fun for
us and exciting and it's its own you know, it's
like greeting's corner or whatever, where.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's like meeting friends you didn't know you had, and
it's so exciting just to be like to meet these
like cool people who are no one's.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Been crazy to me. There are very few crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
And then when it stretches out to like my fucking acupuncturists,
who by all accounts as like a nice, normal human being,
and she's like, I like.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
It, what are they supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Like?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Mind body? And then she's like totally is yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I mean what we're saying is there's fucking nice people everywhere,
and it's nice to know and it's nice to remind
each other. Yeah, and keep saying hi, and we'll try
to do the same and maybe remember your name or
where you worked. She was the nicest person, see the
one I can't remember, CALLI someone.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
She looked like she was from the Midwest. She's so happy.
I feel like, you know, let's talk about something else awful.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Let's talk about another like, let's get our minds off
an awful Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Here's a transitional awful topic. Okay.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
The woman who has found chained like a dog inside
the metal container in North Carolina. They have found four
bodies on the property, four bodies buried, and so far
that fucking Amazon shit. Oh yes, that's so many people
sent me that.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Did you look at it?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
I didn't look at it.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So this guy who's like by all accounts, a serial killer,
who already had a record for a child molestation, rape
at gunpoint, rape at gunpoint. Somehow, that's just again, let's
just make everything awful. He has been commenting on the
tools he's used to kill people and shame them up

(13:52):
on Amazon, reviewing them and saying shit like this, if
I haven't killed anyone with this, yeah, but when I do,
this will be a great tool, Like straight up admitting
like this, this change, this padlock is great for chaining
people like, oh dude, I think it's still up there too.

(14:12):
I think the cops are looking into it, so they've
been taking them down yet.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Maybe that's.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I feel like that's second only to my favorite internet comments,
which are on those sugar free gummy bears My God,
which is now, let's just turn this around here. Here's
we're gonna, we're gonna just we're mining for positivity.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Should I find a couple?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, yes, if you want to, Okay, so and I'll
just I'm sure everybody knows this because kind of legendary.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
But if you don't, I don't think a lot of
people know this.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So they these this gummy bear company made their own
version of sugar free gummy bears and they were for
sale on Amazon. And the reviews for these sugar sugar
free gummy bears that have that contain some chemical it's
called sugar alcohol. Okay, so sugar alcohol apparently made you
shit your pants. It does, so there are reviews where

(15:03):
people were like, oh my god, I was shitting all day,
Like people just talking about these gummy bears just wreaking
havoc on their intestinal system, and they just get more
ridiculous and poetic as they go.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
People are really like being there's a lot there's a
few different places of like products that people will pick
up on and cover like there's like a single big
pen and it's just like people are talking about like
time travel and what the big pen is done for them.
This makes me happy. Yes, it's kind of gross, do it?

(15:40):
I mean, well, here's one. Be sure to also buy
a top of oxy clean with this to get the
blood and diary. It stands out of your underwear, clothes, furniture, pets,
loved one, ceiling veils. Let's see. Oh my god, everything
previously written is true. It's all true. Don't eat more
than fifteen in a sitting unless you were trying to
powerwash your intestines. The cramping started about an hour later,

(16:05):
and soon enough I was I was as bloated as
a balloon and Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. When the rembling started,
I sprinted down the hallway and made it to the
bathroom just in time for the four horsemen of the
Apocalypse to stampede from my backside langways.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
To my home septic system and my will to live.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
After three hours with pelvis shaking gummy barressalt, I was
spongy and weak, surprised that I had any bones left.
I cursed how Horri bo Horri boer with the little
strength I could muster.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
But here's the clothing.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
About them is that people now, and it's in the reviews.
People with like really bad illnesses who get constipated. I
think chance, I think the chemo makes you unable to shit.
You are now like recommending them take two like posts. Yes, yes,
like it's relieving constipation.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I sat in my friend Stephanie, and I sat in
her car one day and I just read them and
we were both crying.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
You're just crying laughing. There's a banana slicer that's a
good one too.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
If you ever get sad and boared tonight banana slicer reviews.
There's banana slicer reviews that are just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Nice. What was I going to say? Yeah, don't eat
sugar alcohol, be careful.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's in a lot of stuff and I've eaten it
before and it makes you so bloated, you're in so
much pain.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Wow, I've never even heard of that. Yeah, it'll say
it's there.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's been a lot of stuff, and you think, oh,
it's just sugar because it's a sugar alcohol.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's fucking terrible. Wow. Yep, it's like a sugar substitute.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, it's like a I think it's an app an
extraction of sugar that they take and they're like, it's
sugar free.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh yeah, don't eat that. Just eat sugar, guys, just
use sugar. Ultimately, at the end of the day. Except
for those of you who've quit sugar. Karen named Karen, Okay,
I'm so impressed with you. Thank you as a sugar addict.
Well one side of your system and you don't crave
it anymore, that's the shocking part.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But if I still crave cake, like I don't want
sugar but I want cake, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's like a different you're making up. What's going to
happen to you? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, like, I know, and you don't crave sugar, like
you're not like I want something sweet, but I want cake.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's a different thing. No, but it's like I want
a cake. Yeah. Well that's just an idea that's.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
True that they need to go psychological for not just yeah,
I mean I think all of it's kind of psychological. Yeah,
should we just not talk about murders?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I feel like it's like, yeah, that sucks. We touched
upon it, I mean we really have. We've danced around
it a lot.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Let's have this one be all about let's just read
review funny reviews this whole episode.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean I wouldn't mind it, we.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Kind of could. Do you want to look for the
banana slic er? Yes, let me see if I can
find any. You want me to read you another? Yes, okay,
I have a good one. But it's also like, is
it better than let's have opening right now? I want
to read a good one.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
After a few hours, I had an extreme buildup of
gas with no relief. All I could was laid down
and pray for a fart. That might sound funny, but
when you've eaten something that has basically turned you into
into the blueberry girl from Lily Wanka, you're pleading.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
With your life. Violet Boarguard is her name.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Oh, there's like, okay, I want to find the big
pen one.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Let's see big. I just found banana slicer.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Okay, read it, and this is a BuzzFeed article, so
you can actually find it. Okay, it's the article called
Amazon reviews of this plastic banana slicer are just the best.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
So here's the first one. Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
For decades, I've been trying to come up with an
ideal way to slice banana use a knife. They say, well,
my prole officer won't allow me to be the knives
shoot it with a gun.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Background check. Hello.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I had to resort to carefully attempt to slice these
those bananas with my bare hands. Ninety nine point nine
percent of the time, I would just get so frustrated
that I just end up squishing the fruit in my
hands and throwing it against the wall and anger. Then,
after a fit of banana induced rage, my pro officer
and to introduce me to this kitchen marvel, and my
life was changed. What can I say about this five

(20:15):
seven to one be banana slicer that hasn't already been
said about the wheel, penicillin, or the iPhone. This is
one of the greatest inventions of all time. My husband
and I would ar you constantly over over who had
to cut the day's banana cisis no one. It's one
of those chor chores no one wants to do, you know,
the old I spend the entire day rearing our children.

(20:36):
Maybe you can pitch in and cut these bananas. And
of course you think I have the energy to slave
over your damn bananas. I worked a twelve hour shift
just to come on to these, to this, I mean,
this fucking thing goes on for like seven more parents.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I love it, all right, let me find one banana slicer.
It's like a play.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's like people getting their creativity out on the Amazon.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Okay, the ten best here's the Thought Catalog has the
ten best reviews for a big pens for her. Someone
has answered my gentle prayers and finally designed a pen
that I can use all month long. I use it
when I'm swimming, riding a horse, walking on the beach,
and doing yoga. It's comfortable, leak proof, non slip, and
it makes me feel so feminine and pretty. Since I've

(21:19):
been using these pens, men have found me more attractive
and approachable. It has given me soft skinned, manageable hair,
and it's really given me the self esteem I needed
to start a book club and flirt with the bait
the bad boy at my local market. My drawings of
kittens and ponies have improved. And now that I'm writing
my last name hyphenated with the Robert with Robert Patterson's
last name, I really believe he may someday marry me.

(21:39):
I'm positively giddy. Those smart men and marketing have come
up with a pen that my lady Parks can really
identify with. Where has this pen been all my life?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
That's the big pen for her, for her, and it's
like pink and probably.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
A piece of ship drink pen with Oh my god,
so stupid.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I do think we should do murders, okay, I mean
just because there's there's some Trump lovers who are like, hey,
can I have my favorite show?

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Hey? Why can't I have what I want?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Right in twenty sixteen America. Wait a second, I want something,
Give it to me now. Cut that part out, Steenen, No,
don't I want something? Give it to me now? And
we're back.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Why didn't we just turn this podcast into a reading
reviews podcast? You know how much easier lives would have been.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I mean, the work is done for you.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
You're just printing stuff up and I mean that is
still a great idea. Yeah, come on, let's podcast seven
days a week. Well, the Haribo people stopped offering reduced
sugar products. That whole thing was a bit of a
mini scandal, and then I think they were like, oh,
we can't use that chemical anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh too bad for them. Man, that bottom line is
disappointed in that, right, you know, and that's really all
that matters.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
This is so weird.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's like it just feels like deja vu, and like
we are so hopeful that like we're trying to look
at the positive. We're trying not to be too too political,
which is hilarious because we are now.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
I mean there's no way around it. Yeah, we have
learned our lesson about scandal and online meltdown cancelations, so
no one's trying to be the subject of that ever.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Again, No, we're trying to be even but I feel
like that went away pretty quick after this, so yeah,
which I'm happy about.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's a weird thing. Yeah, fascism, it's super weird.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
That'sh It's just weird. Yeah, And it's like a double
it's been double down now, so yeah, yeah, you know,
here we are.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Now we're just all kind of like I look at
my phone while I watch TV while I'm chewing on
something that's usually getting me through.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
It helps all we can.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Dogs and cats help, I think animals mm hmm for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Friends.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Speaking of friends, this episode is all hometowns that you
guys heard in. This is the first time that we
had the idea just to do hometowns, and because I
think we were kind of busy that week and devastated,
we let you guys do their homework. So let's get
into the series of hometowns.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I'll go first this week. Please, instead of asking, I'll volunteer. Please,
I'll throw myself in front of the train.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Please.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
All right, So then this week we're just going to
read your hometown murders.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, as our main thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Oh, this starts off with a very professional note, and
it says in the note colon, in the unlikely event
you refer to this story on air or publicly, please
do not share my name or email address. Anonymous is
good enough. I love your podcast and look forward to
each one every week. Thanks for being awesome.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Let's give out that email address. I love that. It's
so reasonable.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, it's exactly what I needed that first time, I
gave that woman's full information. There's a second piece of
information there that I'll tell you after the podcast. That's
really good, but I don't I don't think I should
read it since I think it would indicate who this
person is.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Is it a famous person? It's they have a.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Connection to a famous serial killing team and their email
addresses justin at Timberlake Dot. His publicist is a real bee,
so we give out his all right, So here's what
Anonymous has to say. My parents moved us to the
Santa Cluta Valley, near Magic Mountain and the site of

(25:29):
the San Franci France San Francisquito Damn disaster in nineteen
eighty eight. Santa Cluta was then an underdeveloped and had
a lot of wooded hills and was more of a
small town. People noticed new people moving in, and local
shops would call you by your first name. We didn't
even have to lock our car doors. That's what my
time was like. In nineteen eighty nine, a little girl

(25:51):
named Sarah Hodges disappeared in New Hall. She was only
seven years old, and her parents assumed that she had
maybe wandered off and gotten hurt or was it a
friend's house and hadn't. A citywide search was immediately put
into place, including house to house searches, dogs, mounted police,
helicopter's neighborhood volunteers searching the brush and woods. One of
the volunteers was her fourteen year old neighbor named Curtis Cooper.

(26:14):
Curtis had been living with his father in Florida until
a few months before, and now lived with his mom, Crystal,
in a room she rented from missus Kasmar. It was
rumored that Curtis and Crystal both slept in the same
large waterbed in a single room. Missus Kasmar's house was
five doors away from Sarah's house. Curtis used to play
with Sarah and sometimes went horseback riding with her, and

(26:37):
was one of the first to volunteer for her when
she disappeared.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Red black.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
This sounds familiar, it does? I think you've done this.
I do the one where it's waterbed. Oh no, because
he lived in a house.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Oh he did them.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, Yeah, but it's very familiar, very similar to the
murder I did once.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, it's slightly older boy and little girl and and water.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Totally same. Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
The dogs amounted police, the neighbors, and the house to
house search, including Missus Kasmar's house, turned up nothing. Sarah's
face was everywhere, and she was the talk of the schools.
She was the lead news story every night and in
all the papers. How could a seven year old just
disappear in this small, sleepy, shitkicker you town. Shortly after
Sarah disappeared, the Coopers had a fan blowing out their window,

(27:22):
running day and night. Missus Kasmar thought it was odd
that the fan was blowing out instead of in, and
that it was going all the time. She also began
to smell something foul from the Cooper's room and finally
went to investigate while they were both out.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Hell yeah, Missus Kasmar, rock the cowler.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
See you still got it? You still got it? Just
always rocked the Kasmar. Four days after she had disappeared,
Missus Kasmar. Some reports say it was Crystal found the
fully clothed, decomposing body of Sarah Hodge's. She was wedged
between the wall and the headboard of the water bell
was in there with both of them. Yeah, Curtis and

(28:02):
Crystal had slept with Sarah beneath their heads with the
fan blowing for three days what the fuck. At first,
the news reported that maybe Sarah had been playing hide
and go seek and had wedged herself into tightly and
snapped herneck. That was a story the coopers were selling anyway. However,
an examination revealed Sarah had been strangled and sexually assaulted.
It was thought that she was murdered in Curtis's room

(28:25):
and hidden there only a few hours before the deputy
searched the house.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
It turns out that Curtis had been in trouble in
Florida and had been arrested for committing several petty thefts
and burglaries and basically had to leave. Curtis claimed he
had been looking for help for years for his quote
severe emotional problems, but in Florida he was quote shifted
from agency to agency without ever receiving proper treatment. Apparently,
whatever Curtis had done, it was bad enough for Florida

(28:53):
not to want him.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
The person wrote that, and I guess it was.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
According to the deputy Districtor Ernie who prosecuted him, Curtis
had planned the murder about a week before it occur,
planned it, planned it, and also planned but never carried out,
carried out a similar murder two years earlier while in Florida,
when he would have been around twelve or thirteen.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Holy shit, rosenbet uh Oh.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
That deputy district attorney had claimed that Curtis had a
belief that he had to kill to have sexual relations.
Although he was found by the court experts to have
some brain damage, it was not enough for an insanity defense.
Curtis was convicted of a murder with a special allegation
of sexual assault and received twenty five years to life,
although California Youth Authority could only actually hold him until

(29:39):
he's twenty five, which would have.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Been in the year two thousand. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Four months after Sarah was found, her father went to
her gravesite, sat vigil all night, then shot and killed
himself over her grave.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
He was only thirty six. Oh all of them. Oh anonymous,
that was a really good email. Who was molesting that kid? Then?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
You know, like, you don't just become a sexual predator
at twelve.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I mean he lived in Florida.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Any fucking thing that it could have been like a
clown in his closet.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
The worst things happen there.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
This will just go to show you how important it
is to fund mental health facilities and get people the
mental health and for the government to not defund and
all the.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Goodbye, it's already been defunded. We haven't had that so long.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's fair. But I got I guess presidency, it's going
to come back. Yeah time, No, for sure.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I feel like that empathetic ye, you know, hold up
your brother, care for others, positive works.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's it's going to be happening. Yeah, it's going to
be beautiful. It's a brand new day.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
M M.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
This is from Jacqueline and that of course I've read
this because all cap subject.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Line is at Arondack Nightmare people on Fucked Up Ladies.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Love the podcast obviously, but I'll get to right to
the point here. My brother told me the story yesterday.
That is fiance's cousin. Fasten your seatbelts, motherfuckers, she wrote, motherfuckers.
So my soon to be sister in law's cousin was
going through some shit, so her dad suggested she go
up to their house in the at around decks for
a few days to clear her head.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
God that sounds nice, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
I would love to be there right this, let's go
because also it wouldn't be one hundred and five.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
It also wouldn't be one hundred and five.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
She and then also that would mean someone had money
in your family, because having a house in the aud
around decks, that's got to be like fam.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
I mean, don't they have their own chair? They I
don't even have their own chair. It's an area of
the country that has its own chair, and it's a
comfy chairs. Like rich you have to be like, it's
a chair that's supposed that you're supposed to have a
mohido in one hand. Yes, you know what I mean.
It's a relaxing in the summertime chair. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
She went up for a long weekend had been hearing
some noises in the events and just around the house,
but she knew her dad had been having issues with
squirrels in the house recently.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I bet it's not squirrels.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Squirrel So she didn't think anything of it and just
wrote it off for a few days.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Bad idea, that's what that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Finally, after a few days she calls her dad and
tells me about the noises she's been hearing, and he
tells her just to call the police to sort it out.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
As you do She's.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Reluctant at first because she doesn't want to bother the
police if it's nothing, and then she wrote fuck politeness.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
But her dad, I don't want to bother the police.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't want to bother the police's job it is
to check things out. Yeah, so I'm just gonna get murdered.
I don't know if that's true, but her dad convinces
her to call. So she does. Listen to a man
when he tells you what to do, Oh man, she tells,
it's so angry, just attacking anyone comes in this line.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Dad.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
He's like, honey, I'm worried about you. Called that dad.
Fuck the adderunduck chair, fuck at all.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
She tells the police the deal and they say, sure,
we'll come check it out. Are you alone in the house,
to which she replies yes, And they say, okay, no problem,
we'll come check it out. Just give us a few hours.
No more than five minutes later, a squad of police
cars roll up to her house, lights and sirens, a
blazon and tell her to get out of the house now,
come outside. Turns out there was a fucking man in

(33:08):
her basement the entire time, building a fucking cage. To
fucking keep her in. No what he was building the
cage in her house. Yet she had gone on a
day with this man a few weeks prior, and he
had been stalking her ever since. He followed her upstate
and casually fucking began building a goddamn cage to keep
her in in the basement. This is all her, in

(33:31):
the basement of her own house. I wish i'd say
this for last, because how are we going to do this?

Speaker 3 (33:36):
No, I know this is the one to be.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
The cops were able to figure it out because when
she told them she was alone in the house, they
saw or her and I'm not sure that someone else
was on the phone line in the house. When I'm
yelling it's all her, all caps, but also me freaking
the fuck out. They saw that someone else was on
the phone line in the house. That's some straight out
of a scary story. You'd tell it a slumber party shit,

(33:59):
she says, that is, it's like it. That's an urban
legend for sure. Yeah, she probably made it up.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Easy. Sorry, I don't be Jackie. I mean this sister,
No suse, She's fine.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
The craziest thing to me is that this dick weed
had plenty of time to do whatever he wanted with
this girl, but he was keeping her like a pet
until the very right moment to do god knows what.
Thank god, nothing happened to her and she was able
to stay sexy and not get cage murdered.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Keep up the good work, ladies.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Bye, Oh my god, thank you, Jackie, Jackie, that wasnt
so epic that? Do you want to know what that
reminded me of? Yes, I just had a recovered memory.
Now something happened to you.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yes, but it doesn't it clearly it's not going to hope.
It's not. It's not.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
But this was I came home from being so after
I lived in Sacramento, I moved back home to live
with my parents for a year because I had failed college.
I had failed life, and so I thought, you were
back home and live with my parents to just be
a failure.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
That's always fine.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I did that too, But I would drive up to
Sacramento to hang out with my friends because my whole
social circle was like an hour and a half away.
Really sucked a lot. So this one time I came
home and I was going to go downtown to meet
somebody I can't remember it's like a bar or whatever.
And I was blow drawing my hair, and also we
had this cat that was acting crazy, just being super

(35:25):
weird and flinching and doing weird shit, and I kept
going like what is why are you doing?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
And so.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I heard a loud noise while I was blow drawing
my hair, So I turned the blow draff and I
just stand there and then I'm hearing like very faint noises,
so like like a tick here, almost like house settling, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Like someone moving slowly through the house, yeah, or just
the house settling. Like I can't sell.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
So I go into my parents' room and they had
a their closet had its own door on it, and
I go to open the door and there it's it
won't open, like it's like someone's pushing back on the door, Karen,
and so I run out of the house, get into
my car. I'm and drive to my old house because

(36:15):
this was the house we moved into when I was
in the city. Exactly I move, I drive out to
and this is also you know what, maybe I wasn't
going out because it was like late at night. It's
like eleven o'clock at night. I go out to my
old neighbor Andy Whittington's, and I wake him up. Him
and his roommate Craig. We're like sleeping in this weird
part of their house and I'm like, there's someone in

(36:37):
my house.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
You have to come with me.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I get them to come back to the house with me,
and they're all like buoyed up and yeah, let's.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Check this shit out.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
We go in, we're looking around everywhere, and then Andy
goes to open that door, the closet door, and he
opens it and it was like kind of stuck. So
I was like, oh, that's probably what it was. And
then as we're both standing, he's like it was stuck.
You're so stupid, and I'm like, oh yeah. And then
I look up and there's one of those attic holes. Yeah,

(37:11):
and the attic hole thing is turned to the side,
and I was just like look, I just pointed up.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
At him and he's like, holy fuck.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
And we ran out and called nine one one oh
and the Pedulum police because it's a tiny town where
there like literally like in two minutes there was a
cop walking in my backyard like sneaking around.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
And then I had to give this whole thing and
there was no one there, and it was no one
and it was nothing. And I don't know why they
looked up in the attic, like they looked everywhere and
it was nothing.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
It was something.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
It was so crazy and scary also because in between
the time where I thought someone was pushing back on
my parents closet door, jumping into the car and driving
out to the country to get Andy Whinnington was like
one of the scariest things.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Because you're like someone's following me or in my backseat or.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Just what is happening like But that doesn't make.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
It okay, That doesn't make any sense that those both
those things happened together, especially the second part, Like.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
The only thing is the second part. It could have
already been like that, and I just never knew. It
was like one of those things you don't notice. Sure,
So what did your parents say?

Speaker 3 (38:20):
My Dad's like, you need to take it easy. Of course,
thanks dad. I was like, god, drama, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Men fucking belittling women and they're fucking This was the
one that Georgia just got militant.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Are you ready for everything you could ever want in
a murder story? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Because that's what I got right here from Lauren Cool.
She said, Okay, this may end up a little long,
but it's totally worth it. I grew up in a
small Northwest suburb of Chicago. My whole life. I've been
hearing about the Columbo murders. It happened around the corner
from the house I grew up in, but I wasn't
born until ten years later.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Here goes.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
In nineteen seventy six, Patty Columbo and her loser boyfriend
de Luca broke into the home she grew up in
and murdered her mother, father, and thirteen year old brother.
The father, Frank, was shot by de Luca and then
bludgeoned with a bowling trophy by Patty.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Ooh, that's symbolic. That's not good.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Patty's mom, Mary was found cowering in the bathroom. She
was shot between the eyes, which medical examiners said killed
her before she even hit the floor, and then her
throat was slit. Oh you know, just to be sure,
here's the most fucked up part. And this is bad
because it's her thirteen year old brother.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Her brother Michael, thirteen had slept through the initial attack,
so Patty and her boyfriend de Luca woke come up
by shooting at him. Then Patty stabbed her brother eighty
seven times with sewing scissors.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
When he was found, officers thought he had a case
of the measles, but then they realized his measles were little.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Gashes all over his body. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Patty and de Luca then said the therma to ninety seven
left the house. The bodies weren't found until three days later,
when Patty was informed of the murders. Instead of rushing
to their side, she started pointing fingers to potential leads
and even tried to tie the mob.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Chicago, What up? Tie in the mob? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
At the funeral, she was openly flirting with detectives who
with a detective who was playing the role to make
Patty crack. After more digging, they found a bunch of
fucked up shit, like a film of Patty having sex
with De Luca's German hitar. No no, oh oh no.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Then she wrote like how does that even work?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
No, no, Lauren, this is terrible, this is terring. Well,
oh so her boyfriend Patty's boyfriend was thirty six and
she was sixteen.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Shut up, yep u E. And he was married with
five kids. What the fuck can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
So I'm thirty six, married with five kids dating a
sixty years sixteen year old. All of that, including the kids,
sounds impossible.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Sounds so boring to me.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, a sixteen year old, you'd be like, aside from POKEMONO,
what do you like or like? Aside from the shooting
video game or virtual rea, I don't know, killing your
family wearing Neon pink sunglasses all the time you were
naming the other thing, Maylee. Oh yeah, I was killing
your whole family. I was just naming that.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Oh what more is there than Neon pink sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Now she's a model prisoner who can't read Patty Is.
She's still in jail. Hmmit your man, fuck everything? Oh oh,
they got indeterminate life sentences, which really means two hundred
to three hundred years.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So good a little justice got served there. Uh oh
she also rang up. She ran across toution ring in jail.
What this woman sounds diabolical. She's like trying to take
the Devil's place. Yeah, she's trying to out evil.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Good God?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Had I mean, Lauren, when you said this is it
had everything? You could ever want a murder story. It
had a lot of things I did not want. Yeah,
did not want. That's true. I have never wanted totally.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Okay, this one is from Mary and it's called My
Husband's Murder House. Hey, George and Karen, I've been binging
on your podcast over the past two months on my
drive to and from work. Since I tote my puppy
with me so that I can drop him off at
Donkey Daycare. He's been binge listening too, and his cute
puppy face makes it easy to get through the more

(42:45):
depressing parts of your podcast.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Picture please you too.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Hilarious though, and I feel much better trained to avoid
ever getting murdered.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Thanks. Okay, uh so she has two murders.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Let's just try this one and see if it's good
enough to get to the Siecon one.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
The first took place in my husband's previous house, and
he my husband met the murderer. My husband sold his
home near Columbus, South Carolina to Shedderick and Kia Miller.
The sound made up in twenty twelve, about a year
before we met. The couple appeared to be very happy
and moved into the house with their two small children
skip ahead a year or so. In January twenty fourteenth,

(43:23):
Shedderick's mother hadn't heard from him in several days and
went to his house to check on him. She found
the two children, aged three and one so sad dead
in their beds and the couple dead in their bed
just down the hall. According to the police investigation, the
mother and two children had been shot in the head
by the father husband, and then Shedderick turned the gun
on himself and committed suicide. Oh a little crazy to believe,

(43:46):
especially since no one suspected anything was wrong with the family.
They held Bible studies in their home, and church members
said they didn't show any signs of having problems.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Same from the neighbors.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
What about holding Bible studies in your home? But I'm
inviting people into your home, psychopaths.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Get out of my home.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
I mean, I'm getting my carpet clean, and I want
to charge tomorrow. And I want to charge everyone who's
ever been in my apartment to get my carpet.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Oh that's a good idea, isn't it. Yeah, I'll give
you like seven dollars perfect, Thank you, Steven. You in
for a couple of bucks I'll give you five thank you.
Oh yeah, okay, let's see.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Kia's sister came forward shortly after, though, and stated that
Kia had talked to her about Shudderick's overbearing control of her,
but that since he wasn't violent towards her, Kia thought
she'd be okay. One positive of the story is that
Kia's sister is now sharing her sister's abuse story and
her own experience is in an abusive relationship with others
in an effort to help women in the same situation.

(44:43):
The other story is a little more unnerving for me
and a warning to single ladies to be very careful
about who.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You get involved with. I'm sorry I have to read it.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
The other story is more unnerving than the story you
just read.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I think you should I do you mind? I mean,
this is a this is a fuck and yeah, this
is a fucking shit show. This is that everything is
going wrong. Episode forty two is an abject failure.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yep, it's called this episode's going to be called object failure, right.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
The victim, Jennifer Wilson, was my professor for a graduate course,
and I want to express that she was an intelligent compassionate,
caring and beautiful woman who I had the greatest respect for.
I'm gonna guess she's dead now, probably, I mean anyways,
and she just talks about something totally different. Yeah, And
the loss of her life impacted a lot of people.
She was brutally killed by Hank Hayes on in twenty eleven.

(45:38):
She had met Hank Hayes through a dating site and
they dated on and off for a little while. Hayes
Hjwees is Hayes or is that hot?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Hayes? Right? How hate?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Jw e Ses Hauz was a little obsessed with Jennifer though,
and not in a good way.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
I mean one's a good way.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I mean she picked up on this and made an
effort to end the relationship, but he refused to let
her move on. He would constantly text her and wouldn't
leave her alone. He showed up to her home in
the middle of the night when evening and attacked her.
One of her neighbors heard her pleading for her life
and call the police. When they arrived. Jennifer had bean
and stabbed twelve times in her neck and upper body,

(46:17):
and had defensive wounds on her arms, her body, and
hair had been clean. She was unclothed, wrapped in a
duvet cover, and placed on her couch. Hawes was still
in the home, his clothes soaked in blood, and he
had slit his wrists in an attempt to commit suicide.
He was tried for Jennifer's murder and it only took
the jury thirty minutes to determine he was guilty. He

(46:38):
is currently serving a life sentence without parole. Ugh, what
a wrenched man. Ladies, watch out for yourselves, hug your
puppies and cats, and don't get murdered. Thanks again for
the awesome podcast.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Mary. I feel like I saw that story.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Where the guy's like on an ID channel, like some
kind of stalking show, because oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
There's those stocked awful stocks.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
I mean, they have every version of every horrible thing
that's happened to people as a series today, Marry, I
mean that's a show.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
What about swamp kin or something right or swamp.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Killers or swamp killers just only only murders and swamps.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
They have just ones of siblings. Only what else is there?
People have used mason jars only to kill people.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Oh you mean Martha, Martha Stewart murders. It's called shat
the shabby she murders. She thought she was glassy, but
she was just cheap. Turns out she wanted a light
stain on her old bookcase and that would be the
end of her then, But instead the stain was of
blood on her carpet. It would be fun to be

(47:51):
in one of those those voiceover people for the I
D channel, Yeah, because you kind of talk like this,
and then you talk like.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
This and the reality is and then it's scary down here.
Everything's fine and you're wonderable, but.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Then then you go into the basement and something happens.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Okay, we're back from a really solid set of hometowns
in which one of them, yes, is definitely a creepypasta,
fake fucking.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Story that I have that happens.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
The thing is, we're not fourteen, no, so we won't
have our eye out for things.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Sometimes I was listening to it, I was like, how
did I not know he was not building a cage
at the basement and called the cops, and the cops
and like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
But it's not unreasonable because then I go on to
tell the Todd kull Up murder story. Who is a
person who kept women in basically in containers. What are
those things called shipping container?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
It's not out of the question. That's a really good point.
I think what we learned is that at all, if
anyone's sister in law said this is true, it's not true.
We need it from like the source or like the
next stoor neighbor, not the like.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, when it's too perfect a like plot with the
details to perfectly creepy and it's not first person or
like sort of what you can hear once removed, it's
all we can do, right, We need to verify and
we're supposed to trust, but we don't. That's how we
do it over here. But there are some updates. My
second story was about the Columbo murders. The update is

(49:30):
just that Frank de Luca died in prison in twenty
twenty three and Patty Colombo is still in prison.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
She was just.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Denied parol in twenty twenty four. So yeah, horrifying.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, all right, let's get into more hometowns.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Do you want to do one more? You done that?

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I mean, let's see, I think I marked one more. Okay,
why don't you let's see why don't you why not.
Oh wait, I've just found another one. Okay, you go ready.
Oh this is this is one that I got excited
when I saw because uh, we already talked about this.

(50:16):
This is firsthand, says from Stephanie, and the subject line
is the story is everything my favorite murder dreams slash
nightmares are made of. Hello, ladies, first and foremost. I
love your podcast and I can't get enough. I recently
started listening to and got my mom hooked to. I'm
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure my husband is deeply unsettled
by this and doesn't understand my true crime fascination.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Like those three, that's a Trifectas someone finds it, they
tell their mom their husband is freaked out by them.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, that keeps happening. Yeah, I love it. I think
that's how great marriages are built.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
So my hometown murder is probably something you've seen in
the news recently, and it takes place mainly in Spartanburg,
South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I said North, but it's South. Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Todd Colheb has been charged with kidnapping Cola Brown or
Kayla Brown Cola and keeping her chain by the neck
and ankles for two months inside a metal storage container
on his property? Did I mention Kayla lived down the
street from me in Anderson, South Carolina, As if it
wasn't horrifying enough. Turns out he's a full fledged serial

(51:18):
killer and a bunch of bodies, and they found a
bunch of bodies buried on his property. In nineteen eighty seven,
Todd Colehep was convicted in Arizona for kidnapping and sexually
assaulting a fourteen year old girl. He was only fifteen
at the time of the crew. Wow, oh, I didn't
see that.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
It's really nice when we talk vaguely about something and
then someone comes in with the facts and fills them
in for us, so we don't even have.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
To do any research. I love this.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Collops served fourteen years in prison for this crime and
registered as a sex offender. When he get out, he
decided to resettle in South Carolina, where he purchased one
hundred secluded acres. That's always a good, said flag, red flag.
Add that to the red flag list. It's long secluded
acres of land. Over ten secluded acres. You don't need it.

(52:06):
You don't need that many. I don't even know what
that looks like. It's really big, and it's only for
cows and starch containers, she said.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Can he be any more murdery? How was he allowed
to do this?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I mean, I guess it wasn't near a school or park,
but just further's the case for staying out of the
damn woods. He became a real estate agent. Oh why
does that? For some reason, that really bothers me.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Because he's around people all the time, families and mousy yes,
and houses.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
She was working for him, oh, eventually starting his own
company and employing as many as ten other agents. Do
you have to disclose your sex offender's status to your employees?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
If you're the boss, you probably don't, right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
So how do you feel about working for She's like
writing a play? So how do you feel about working
for a violent sex offender?

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah? That's crazy? Yeah you should. You can just go
on and live your normal life. I would think that
you do have to notify. He just didn't.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I bet I bet it was on the record somewhere.
So if you searched sex offenders in your area, he
would come up. But I bet he doesn't have to
tell them if he's the boss, right, maybe kids, But
then if kids like your kid comes to the office back, man,
I mean, clearly this guy wasn't fucking following the rules
to begin with.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah, and here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
If you're, if you're, if you just got a new job,
you want to check LinkedIn, you want to check sex offenders,
the sex offenders registry. Yeah, just do it, Just do
it anyways. On August thirty first, Cali Brown and Charlie Carver,
who live right up the street from me, went missing
when they answered an ad for Coleop to do some
work help cleaning up the property. When they arrived, he

(53:48):
pulled a gun and took them hostage. He immediately shot
and killed Charlie and buried him in a shallow grave
next to where the shipping container. Well so she knew where,
yeah she did or Cala was chained up for over
two months. Two days after the couple went missing, Anderson
County Police started pinging Kyla's cell phone, which eventually led
police to Collop's property. It took them two weeks to
get a search warrant. They started with flyovers of the

(54:10):
property before taking their search to the ground. Police eventually
heard Colla pounding on the storage container, found and they
found her unharmed. Shortly after Kla was rescued, police realized
they were dealing with serial killer. They have since found
three other bodies on the property. He also confessed to
a thirteen year old case where four employees at a
Spartansburg motorcycle shop were shot in the back in broad

(54:33):
daylight with no witnesses. I mean, what in the actual
fuck google it. There is a weird There is weird
shit coming out daily on this guy. I am a
transplant from Chicago and am seen often as the northern
aggressor who won't say hi to anyone. But this further
proves your argument of fuck politeness. Apologize later. I do
not need help with my groceries. I don't want to

(54:55):
start small talk over my accent. And thank you Todd
cole up for ruining nature. Thanks for taking the time
to read my stories. Day out of the Woods, Stay sexy,
don't get murdered, sef what the fuck crazy?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
I wonder who the other bodies are and I want
to look up that fucking shooting. I love when like, okay,
like the murder I know I'm going to do in Chicago,
like there's one or two, but these like huge crimes
that people don't, like a mass shooting and people are
like how like the yogurt shot murder.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, it's like, how the fuck do we still not
know who did these?

Speaker 1 (55:25):
And then just some guy confesses and it's like, okay, yeah,
we would have never found this person.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, he has no links, no ties.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
It's just some random person that's living to escape these
evil things they've done totally and moving away, like moving
to South Carolina, moving to the countryside.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
So that so that I.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Mean, at first when I when this story broken, they
were like, we found the kidneft girl. Then it was
like I was so happy for her, you know, like
her life's gonna suck and be awful and hard to
get through, but she can get through it. And I
was when there's when there's a SURVIORUS store, I'm so
fucking relieved, unhappy. But it's just not it's not I mean,
her boyfriend was killed next to her, you know, probably

(56:07):
and as an intimidation thing for her and Barry, Oh
what a fucking.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I mean, who knows, who knows?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
No, it's hugely huge trauma and insane, but she did live.
And that's totally. That's that is amazing because those are
the stories. I mean, there's four other bodies on his property,
or three other bodies on his property, and four people
he killed in a motorcycle shop.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
She's so lucky, so lucky to be alive.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
God bless her, as Karen would say, God bless God,
bless her, good bless her. How long should we do
one short? One more and then and then have charity corner?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Okay, all right, this is called my hometown Horror Horror.
Uh hey, I'm new to your podcast. Nice work, by
the way, And I don't know if you're still wanting
stories about hometown murders. Oh we are, but here's mine
if you want it or not. I want you, Casey.
I want you to be more confident.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Casey. I feel like you feel very vulnerable setting in
this murder. Yeah, and we got you. Yeahbe you don't
need to make yourself small. No, we're here with you.
Celebrate good times.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Come on, come on one, so Casey says, Back when
I was about six or seven, something happened that shook
our town to this day. A seventeen year old girl
went out for a run in endless country roads in
this area. Dumbass never run alone, Like, how do you
not know that it was the nineties? Well, not surprisingly,
she went missing. Years and years went by. Flash forward

(57:34):
to twenty ten. Another jogger finds this trash.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Bag on the side of the road.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
For whatever reason, this weirder decides to look into the bag.
Inside it like, there's all victims. Everyone's a fucking it.
Casey hates everybody. She sounds like me.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Inside were some of the remains of the woman, dismembered
and shut in the bag. Upon further investigation, four more
bags were found scattered around the country county not country,
all containing the same woman's pieces. Fucking how it was
that girl that had gone missing in the nineties, grown
up and fucking dismembered?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Grown up?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Wait, the girl who had was a teenager and went
missing in the fucking nineties.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
This wasn't her teenage body. This was her.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
This is what it looks like. Some fucked up fuck
kidnapped that girl, held her for almost twenty years, murdered her.
This is a sad ending that your last story. Then
fucking dismembered her and threw her in the side ditch. Yep,
that's what happened here. Nothing had happened before that, and
nothing has happened since. The fucker was never caught and
the poor family never got any answers.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
He lives in town.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Clearly right, you wouldn't bring her all the way back
to town twenty You look so sad?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Well, I just don't. I mean, I don't. I don't
have a theory except for it's so dark. It's just
like so dark. The twenty years horrible.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
But what really screws up my mind is that this
random kept this innocent girl alive somewhere close to this
town for almost twenty years, where no one was able
to find and save her. How terrible must have felt
to be her and not be able to get help
for that long. Also, how sad for her family to
realize that it's so awful? And then said, also, what
possesses someone to hold someone hostage for that long and

(59:20):
then all of a sudden kill them. What could have
happened to make him snap and murder her after so long? Okay,
I'll stop thinking about it and let you guys mull
this over. Thanks, Thanks, Thanks?

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Well, I mean, aren't these always the questions that come
up that cannot be answered? It's the reason that everybody's
interested in this stuff. And yeah, I mean what kind
of monster? What does he look like? Does he look like?
Have you seen pictures of Todd Kleap the other guy? Yeah,
he's really big. Yeah, like he's a very very disage man.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I just wonder like after twenty years, like, don't you
get attach some to the to the you're victim at
some point.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Your psychopath or path right, No way, which you would
have to be to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
I mean, no, it's twenty They found her adult body.
I was not expecting that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I thought maybe they would find her like she had
been kept somewhere as a dead teen body.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
It's just a new low.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Poor sweet angel, poor sweet little oh Man, Well, we
went up for a little while and then we just
went right back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
What do we expect? I don't know. Well, I feel
just as awful. How about you? Yeah, I feel pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Well, at the end of the show, now we're doing
one good thing, saying one good thing that happened to
us this week?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Oh yeah, what good thing happened to you this week? Nothing?
But but I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Say that, I Karen, we donated some money as my
favorite murder. Oh today, so Brian Sophie and Aaron Gibson
from the Throwing Shade podcast started posting on Instagram just
screen grabs of the the charities they were just donating to,

(01:01:06):
and it was just like, just do this, just do
like they kept posting places that they were donating to,
and I was like, all right, you know what, I
feel like, Shit, I'm gonna try that. So I did
a couple and I did one as my favorite murder
to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Great, So we did that. That's a one good thing.
That's perfect, right, that's a great thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Uh yeah, money counts. Spend your money wisely.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
And if you don't have money to give, just give
blood or become a done marrow transplant. I'm on the
don marrow trans are you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Are you a don marrow? I'm a donner? What did
I said? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I didn't even catch that done marrow shit man? And
can I point out I've been drinking water this whole time.
I mean, I'm not shit based, but I'm just having
me drinking. You're just drinking water. Yeah, Bone marrow transplant
donor list and blood.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Try to give money. You're just like give every possible thing.
Give it all the way, you know what it is,
just try to do things for other people. That's actually
it really is. Something that makes people feel better is
when you make human connection and you help out, be
a helper.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I think that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It's also something that I have to say, like I
I'm not that good at because I'm always like time
and ooh and to pain or my comfort or whatever.
I feel like that's something I would like to do
better at, which is like that's the whole idea of Like,
volunteering is sacrifice and you're supposed to be kind of
giving of yourself. It's supposed to be time off of

(01:02:40):
your couch where you're not comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
That's the whole idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, yeah, well go you guys, go do something good
for someone and it'll make you feel better about fucked up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Everything is right, but what happens right let us know
if it works. Hey, Elvish, thanks for listening to you. Guys.
We hope, uh, we hope, you know we have hope.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Uh stay saxy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Elvis, do you want a cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Come on? Man? Oh man, me me you want a cookie?
Me me no, ma, me me be my friend Elvis.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Cookie, Hi, cooky, cooky.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
All right the cookie?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I mean, see we go yeah, here it goes, here,
it goes Elvis, want a cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
You want? Kindly?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
What cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Take your time?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Well, now you're gonna have to wait for cookie?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Yeah? Cookie, cookie? All right, bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Okay, we're back, So Karen, any updates.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
The update is just that this story was still unfolding
when I was talking about it in this twenty sixteen episode.
Four hundred episodes later, I do the deep dive, which
is the superbike murders case in episode four fifty eight.
It's called the Demands are incredible that episode and you
get the entirety of the story, which is actually kind

(01:04:18):
of cool that like the story had just broken of
finding Kayla around on his property and then this is
basically like now here's everything they know, including a cold case.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, totally, that was a great story. You did a
great job in that one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
That is episode four fifty eight. So, I mean, abject
failure is a pretty great name for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
So perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
But I look like a couple other options in case,
because we always need.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Options, Like you said, you called a greeting's corner meeting
people at the acupuncturist or made well or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah, and then we could also call it Bloated as
a balloon about the free gummy bears, those dreaded things forever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I mean, that should be the title, just because that
was the episode. It was a diarrhea episode. There's also
justin at timberlake dot com, which was your joke about
it's a famous person's email.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
That is so funny, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
And also what about the lesson of we've been through
this before, people stick together and keep their heads on straight.
Like people are coming out and showing up and rising
up and it's really amazing to see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
So all is not lost. Yep, love it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Thanks for listening and we will talk at you soon.
Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you
want a cookie