You know Jay Shetty as the bestselling author and podcast powerhouse, but in this episode of My Legacy, his wife, Radhi Devlukia, reveals a whole new view of the man behind the mic.
Hosts Martin Luther King III, Arndrea Waters King, Marc Kielburger, and Craig Kielburger sit down with Jay and Radhi for a rare, unfiltered conversation about love, partnership, and the small but powerful ways they make each other feel truly seen.
Jay reflects on how marriage continues to challenge and reshape his views on love, why Radhi’s support isn’t what he expected—but exactly what he needed—and the lessons they’re still learning together. Radhi opens up about why she didn’t initially see Jay as more than a friend, the surprising struggles of finding her own voice, and the simple daily gestures that keep their bond strong.
Packed with heartfelt laughter, raw honesty, and unexpected emotional moments, this episode peels back the layers of a relationship rooted in trust, growth, and deep commitment.
And this is just the beginning. Don’t miss Part 1 of this deeply personal and eye-opening conversation on My Legacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Raddy's never let me define my self worth based on
my success. So when I first started to experience success,
Raddy didn't celebrate it in the way I wanted her to,
and I would want. Look, I'd wanted my wife to
be my number one fan and my biggest cheerleader, and
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she wasn't for my career. But I had to realize
if I skewed my perspective, she was for who I was,
So if it came to my character, that's what she
was back in. I think we all want to be
loved for who we are and not loved for what
we achieve.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I did start listening to a podcast last year. I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hella Loves.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm Andrea Wards King, and that was Jay Shetty reflecting
on the true foundation of love. It's about choosing each
other every single day. Welcome to My Legacy, a podcast
hosted me, my husband, Martin Luther King, the third eldest
son of doctor Martin Luther King Junior, and Coretta Scott King,
and our good friends New York Times bestselling authors Mark
(01:10):
and Greg Kilberger. Today we're joined by Jay Shetty and
his incredible wife, Roddy dev Lukia You may think you
know Jay from his number one podcast, but Arti is
giving us a whole new look at the side of him.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The world rarely sees their love.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Their challenges, and the daily choices that make their marriage thrive. Today,
they give us a glimpse inside their relationship, sharing with
us the hard won lessons about communication, commitment, and how
to nurture love through life's toughest moments.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Welcome to My Legacy Podcast, where we explore what it
truly means to create a living legacy through our actions,
our choices, and the way we show up for others
every day. Ro honor to be joined by Jay Shetty,
global bestselling author and purpose driven entrepreneur whose wisdom on love, mindfulness,
and personal transformation has reached millions through his number one
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podcast on Purpose Now. Of course, what makes My Legacy
Podcast unique is we don't just hear from extraordinary individuals.
We hear from their life partners, their friends, the people
who know them best. And we're beyond lucky because Jay
is joined today by his incredible wife, Roddi de Vlukia.
(02:32):
She is a nutritionist. She is a best selling author
of joy Full She is the host of her own podcast,
A Really Good Cry. I love that title. She's a
powerful force for wellness, for conscious living, and for joyful cooking.
Welcome to you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Both, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I'm so grateful to be back with you and
reunited with all of you. Thank you so much for
having us. We're so honored and so grateful. Truly, it
was such wonderful to be in your presence a year
ago now or is it even longer?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It was about a year ago, about a year.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Ago, So wonderful to be reunited, and I wish you
were meeting Rady in person too. Why we'll settle for this.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
We must do dinner when we're all on the same
coast again.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We would love that absolutely, yes.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yes, yes, well, Jay on that note, because we want
to know you over well gosh, probably a decade now,
but we don't know Rady as well. So if I
can put you on the spot, the two of you
have created this incredible relationship based on conscious living, on Purpose,
on joy. So how did you first meet this incredible
woman and how did you know that she was your person?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So the interesting thing is the first episode of my
podcast On Purpose ever was me and Rady telling this
story together. And I always wanted to start the show
at a really authentic, genuine, conscious place, and I thought,
why not do it with the person who knows me
best and knows me most. And so the long story,
short version is, I was in my final year of
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college and I knew that I was going to become
a monk after I graduated, and I would go to
my local temple to serve and assist on the weekends
just to stay out of trouble. And when I was
doing that service, I was asked to show a woman
around who was around my mom's age, with different chores
and different practices at the temple. I'd never been asked
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to do this before. This was the first time I
showed her around. She was very sweet, and then at
the end of it, she said to me, I have
a daughter that i'd love to introduce to spirituality and meditation.
And I said, well, I'm going to become a monk,
so I can introduce her to my younger sister who's
also involved in the community, and why don't you bring
her in? And so you know, that week she brought
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her in and it happened to be my wife's mom,
and Raley was her daughter who came in and I
introduced Radi and my sister, and I remember seeing Rally
and thinking she was the most beautiful woman in the world,
and I thought, no, no, no, focus, focus, focus is
going to become a monk, and so I kind of
like shut it out. And then when I came back
from the monastery, Radi and my sister had become best friends,
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and so my sister was our matchmaker. So that's how
we met, and then how I knew she was the one.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Someone asked me this question recently, and I think I
gave at least what I believe to be a truthful
and honest answer, and is that I don't know if
you ever know. I think you commit and invest to
building something together, and you know because the other person
also wants to commit and build and invest in you,
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and that's what makes them the one. And I really
believe that it's quite naive to think when you meet someone,
or when you move in with someone, or when you
marry someone, that this is going to be the person
you're with for three or four or five decades in
today's world, and so for me, I know that Radi's
the one because she invents every day today more than
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even when we started. And that's something that I can
only discover today, and I couldn't have known twelve years
ago when we first got together, and nine years ago
when we got married, I couldn't have possibly known that.
And so I hope that freezes people up from this
pressure and expectation that I've got to find this person
on day one and know that they're going to be
perfect and the person. When I probably would have said
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that twelve years ago if you asked me, like, I
found the one, I know it now when I look back,
I'm like, no, I'm I'm lucky. She's proved me right,
but she very easily could have proved me wrong. And
so I'm very grateful that she's, you know, stood by
me through so many ups and downs and so many
incredible journeys that we've been on.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So roddy, I'm very very curious.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So you're at a temple and you see this wonderful
human being that was training to be a monk at
what was going through your mind when you first when
you first met him.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a really good question, you know, I he was
in like he was in white robes at the time,
weren't you. Yeah, he was training to be a monk.
He was in white robes. He knew my mom. It
was like a very odd situation. My mom was introducing us,
and so when I saw him, it was it was
interesting because he had like tattoos in monk clothes, was
a very like, well spoken person, where normally, in my mind,
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a monk was someone who was from India and I,
you know, usually would have to speak to them in
another language. And so it was kind of changing a
lot of narratives in my mind of what I expected
to see when my mom was like, oh, I want
to introduce you to this monk. So I think I
was readjusting to my expectations. And then I mean I
started going to his classes and hearing him speak about spirituality,
and honestly, I think I felt in awe of him
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through watching him in those spaces and in the community,
and you know, I ended up being an observer of
him rather than a friend at the beginning, because we
didn't really have a friendship or a relationship at all
when we first met. So it was quite nice seeing
him in his own environment doing something that he loved
and so at first it was almost like he had
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He felt like a teacher and a guide more than
he felt like someone that I was thinking I could
be with. But then when I became friends with his
sister and she kept telling me all these amazing things
about him, I was like, Oh, he's so sweet and
they have the sweetest relationship he you know, he is
like a father figure to her, and she loves him
so much. And I thought, well, someone who's got that
relationship with their sister, and usually your sibling has the
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best and worst things to say about you, And she
just loved him so much. And so there was moments
where you know, I kept saying to I was like,
you know, I think every like your brother, and she
was like, you can't. He's going to be a monk
for the rest of his life. I leave him alone.
She was like, I need you to leave him, please. Yeah, please,
I'm just telling you he wants to be a monk forever.
So yeah, I kind of gave up on that idea.
(08:54):
And so as soon as he came out from being
a monk and we got to know each other, we
both just realized how how right we ended up being
about each other, as he said, And it was a
nice surprise because it could have gone both ways.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You know, I love that she said fell in awe
rather than fell in love. I don't think I've ever
really heard that. That's a beautiful Yes, yes, it fell
in awe.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But the one thing she left out was that she
usually tells a bit like you didn't you didn't clarify
that actually when we first met, you just didn't notice me.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And I didn't like, just yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well I did notice you. I just wasn't like. It
wasn't like my mom saying, hey, here's someone for you
to meet in that way, Hey, here's a monk from.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Him, here's a monk.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Every great journey begins with the foundation that we come from,
the people who raised us, those who you know, sewed
into us, the people who believed in us. So, Jay,
who were the most influential people in your life in
your childhood, and what would you say are some of
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the biggest lessons that they passed on to you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's such an interesting question. I feel I was very,
very fortunate that the most influential people in my life
became people I discovered through autobiographies and biographies. So and
that's because I think I was the eldest and I
kind of was a bit rebellious, so I didn't really
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fit in, and I don't think I was getting that
much great advice from my family or extended family. And
I fell in love with I mean, you know, I
think I mentioned this to you when we first met.
I fell in love with the writings of Dr Martin
Luther King. I fell in love with Malcolm X. I
fell in love with Dwayne the Rock Johnson and David Beckham.
So my reading, my reading spectrum was fairly wide, but
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I was reading the biographies and autobiographies and writings of
all of these individuals, and so there were pop culture
icons like David Beckham and Draine the Rock Johnson, and
then these incredible history oracle figures to me in Martin
Luther King and in Malcolm X. And that really truly
became the basis of the advice in my life. I
really really believed that I associated with these people through
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their writing. I really believed that they became my wise advisors.
They became my board of directors, and they became the
people that I turned to in times of difficulty because
they'd been through so much so much more than i'd
ever even have to fathom going through. And so there
felt to be an incredible strength in that. And I
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think because my dad was fairly aloof and disconnected from
me when I was young, it really gave me a
freedom to look for that. And now I look back,
and I didn't know this then, but I assume I
was looking for male role models at the time, more
people that I could hold onto. So it's no surprise
that all the books I was reading were men. And
at the same time, my monk teachers, who I really
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do see as father figures to me as well, have
become incredible pillar in my life. And I'm really grateful
to my dad for that. You know, I think a
lot of people may feel that if their parents are
slightly disconnected or aloof, it can be a bad thing.
For me, it was great. I got to become the
man I wanted to be. I got to build an
image of who I wanted to be, and I got
to choose the people that I really aspired to learn
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from and gain from and gain insight from. And so
those individuals, whether it was reading about how David Beckham
on a Friday night would tie a car tire in
the top hand corner of a goalpost and practice taking
free kicks while all his friends were out drinking and
partying and all the rest of it. Or whether it
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was talking about drained the Rock, Johnson's challenges with depression
and finding himself, or whether, of course it was the
incredible work of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. It
was just fascinating to gain insight from what I believe
to be some of the most powerful, incredible and beautiful
people who walked the earth.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's so amazing and it resonates so deeply with me
because you all know how much I love reading. I'm
a I love love reading. And I don't know if
we talked about this Jay when we were together, but
when I was a little girl in elementary school, I
spent a lot of time in the library.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Of my school and I read. I mean I went
through almost.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
The entire autobiography and biography section of my school.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I got special awards for that.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So I really resonate with that, like you know, taking
bits and pieces of I always found inspiration in people's stories.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well we can testify to this because you two haven't
I don't think yet been to the King's house. We
got to make this happen though. But you've got the
amazing shoe closet that's full of books.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Books.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Not just a shoe closet, it's everywhere. You just kind
of walk in and you're goneer knowledge. You don't even
have to open.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Although Martin hates traveling with me and with the with
my with my book.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Heavy Lift, that's so true. When we moved to New
York nine years ago, I had one suit I only
had like two suitcases with me, and one of them
was full of clothes and things like that, and the
other one was completely full of books. Yes, and that's
that's how we traveled. And I was like, no, I
can't leave these behind. And I'm I'm still into physical books.
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I'm not a fan of digital books.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
At talks, you're not both and Radia.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You said that your family's journey from being refugees to
building a new life shape the way that you see
the world. What lesson from your upbringing would you say
continues to guide you today?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So many things. My you know, my grandma was born
and raised in India and then moved to Uganda when
she got married. To my granddad and from there she
then became a refugee when she came into Scotland and
with absolutely nothing. They couldn't bring anything with them. And
it was so interesting because even from the moment that
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I like my first memory of my grandma has been
she has spent her whole life just in service to family,
to community, whether it was in the refugee camp. She
was one of the first people to start cooking in
the kitchen for the community because they weren't used to
eating the food from from the UK. They wanted to
eat food that was part of their culture. And so
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my grandma got in the kitchen and she was cooking
for everyone. Even when she had nothing, she was still
doing things for other people. And so I think that's
been a thread of all I've seen her do, and
not ever have I seen a moment of resentment through
doing it. And you know, I always think about, you
know you're doing too much or beyond your capacity when
you start becoming resentful or feeling like you deserve something
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back for doing what you've been doing. But my Grandma,
I've never seen. She's ninety one now and she is
still the most joyful, content like self. Content human that
I I've met, and I honestly think it's because she
gave with zero expectation throughout her life and certain situations
put her into a into a moment where she had
to do that whether she wanted to or not, but
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it became part of her. And so I think that
watching her has wanted like has made me want to
do the same for people around me. And you know,
also her deep spiritual practice, like my grandma speaks to
God more than she speaks to humans. And I don't
say that lightly. She spends more hours of her day
in prayer speaking to God than she does actually interacting
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with humans, at least for the past ten years that
I've seen. She wakes up in the morning at like
three point thirty in the morning, She's praying till nine am.
She's then back in prayer by two pm till three o'clock,
back in prayer again from six pm till eight pm,
and then again in the evening before she goes to bed.
And so I think you can only really give that
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two people when you've when you've given yourself that deeper
connection to God or the universe that's empowering you to
be able to actually give to others in that capacity.
So those are just a couple of the things, but yeah,
so many things, and my mum and my dad both
emulate that same nature too.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
More of this inspiring and powerful conversation after the break.
(17:47):
Now back to my legacy with Jay Shetty and his
wife Roddy.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You know, from my experience it's often the struggles that
define who we are. Many times we know the glory,
but we don't necessarily know the story of the individual.
So Jay, can you share or take us back to
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one of the toughest moments in your journey and what
ultimately it taught you.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's so interesting, isn't it. When you're asked to think
about a tough moment in your life, you almost just
see it as your life, and so you don't I
don't know. I never grew up. I only recognize when
I got older and I spoke to people about experiences
I went through that they were tough, because up until
that point they were just my life and they just
felt normal. And you kind of assume everyone's going through
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those things, and so I think we all walk around
thinking that everyone should understand us because they went through
the same thing and the truth is we don't understand
each other because we went through very different things. And
until you meet someone who's gone through something that you
can connect with or resonate with, it's really hard to
reconcile it. I think for me, a big part of
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it was that I grew up in a home that
I mediated my parents' marriage, and I would say that
that was the most challenging thing growing up because I
didn't wake up to a great environment and I think
for me that made me who I am today, and
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so I have a lot of gratitude for that and
appreciation for that. But I think a lot of people
see me and the work I do today, and they
often see the marriage I have with my wife today
in our connection and relationship, and it comes from just
having a long list of what not to do. And
so I think often in life you could get an
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amazing experience, and when you get that, you should write
down everything you should do, and sometimes you're going to
get a really painful experience, and in that you should
write down everything you should never do. And so so
partly what I'm grateful to have today is a list
of what not to do in a relationship. And I'm
very grateful that I got those lessons and those messages
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because they allowed me to really be conscious about who
I wanted to be, what I wanted to build, how
I wanted to grow. And so that was very very
early on in my life, and I really believe that today.
The reason why I have the ability to listen to
people and their pain, and why I feel empathetic and
compassionate to pretty much all experiences is because I remember
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doing that for my parents. I remember listening to my
mom for hours and hearing her challenges and recognizing that
they were real. And I remember listening sitting to my
dad for hours and recognizing his challenges and that they
were real. And what it taught me was to look
beyond the person and find context to how they became
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that way. And I think this is what we often
don't think. We think, why are you that way? But
we don't ask the question, how did you become that way?
Or what happened to you that that's where you are today?
And I think that's a better question. And I think
when I started to look into the past of my parents,
I started to notice so much more information and experiences
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and pain and stress that they'd been through that had
made them that way, and so I felt very grateful
to be loved by both of them, and to this
day feel my mother's unconditional love in the most special way.
But being there for both of them was a really
interesting challenge growing up that it's why I do what
I do for a living today, So I'm not mad
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about it.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Well, Jay, we're so inspired by that context of how
you've become such an incredible voice. Raddi, I wanted to
ask you a question. You've dedicated so much of your
life to helping others heal. What's a moment in your
life where you've had to heal yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Question? I feel like I'm healing on a daily basis,
But I'd say a place where I felt I needed
the most amount of growth and noticed the most amount
of growth was when me and Ja first got married.
We moved to New York and it was the first
time i'd really moved away from family, moved away from home,
moved to a place where I pretty much knew nobody,
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and we were starting from scratch. And I grew up
as the youngest child where most things were done for me.
I was whether it was like me doing my homework late.
My sister would stay up late and help me whether
any part, any decision I would make, my mom would
help me make it. You know, I really wasn't used
to doing things for myself or by myself, and so
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when we moved to New York, I also had been
studying for a long time, only to move with Jay
to have a spouse visa where I couldn't work, And
so I found myself in a weird position of just
feeling lost and having to get to know myself in
ways that I never had before. I was able to
hide behind the work I did, or my family or
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the community I was part of, and all of that
was kind of stripped away from me to only come
to realize I absolutely did not know myself at all.
I didn't know how to choose colors of things that
I liked. I didn't know how to make decisions for myself.
I didn't know whether I wanted something or didn't. And
so it became this journey that of just starting to
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learn about who I actually was, Like I grew up
just thinking I wanted what my family wanted or I
liked what my sister liked. Because I didn't spend the
time to really get to know what my wants or
needs were. And so I spent a lot of my
time in New York walking around, well one crying, crying
down the streets, which seemed really normal in New York,
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no one seemed to care. And then having to do
some seriously deep work of figuring out what is it
that I like and dislike and want in my life.
And so I'd say that took a lot of healing
because I had to also unlearn things that I had
I thought that I knew about myself based on other people,
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and I had to realize that those were all views
from others and perceptions of others that I had to
step away from because maybe I didn't want that narrative
of myself and I wanted to create a new one.
So yeah, they say that was probably the time I've
had to heal the most.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's interesting too, because so we have an eldest child
married to a younger child, so.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You're making it work.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And as I'm hearing your idea, I think that obviously
all of our stories are so unique, but I do
think that that what you just shared is so indicative
to a lot of women as well, you know, kind
of finding our voices, kind of finding what it is
that our you know, aligning to our desires and honoring
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our desires.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And so I think.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That that was a beautiful share and I think that
so many women in particular can find themselves within that story.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, I was just thinking about, you know, I think
we go through this ebb and flow of being lost
and found regularly. And I always used to think that
you just once you figure out what you want to
do or who you are, it's just an upward trajectory.
But I've realized that you end up, you know, when
you end up not realizing that being lost is part
of life's journey. Like you are always going to feel
a little bit lost as you go along life because
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experiences happened, things happen that you don't expect to. You
realize that it's actually part of it. It's not an
obscure thing that only you are going through. Because I
feel like I've gone through moments of feeling really found
and understood to only feel really lost again, and then
I feel really in my purpose and in my power,
and then I feel lost again. And so I think
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that ebb and flow is something that we have to
realize is actually just part of it. I don't think
it is. I don't think it's the exception. I think
it is actually the rule of life, and it's part
of post of it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I think also that's almost the progress as it relates
to humanity in a way.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think we all we think that progress is linear,
but it really is.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
It is more in the ebbs and flow and keeping
hold to that, that vision and that the dream that's
inside of you. So, okay, we know the challenges of
working with.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Your your partner.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
There's challenges.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Really, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Wonderful right now, It's so wonderful all the time, every day.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
How do you all navigate through through those challenges?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How do we deal with working with each other?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I notice very wisely questions.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Let me see what she says. My perspective, I would say,
you know, the good thing is we both have extremely
different skill sets, like we are very different humans. And
so what's great in that sense is Jay handles a
lot of the things that I don't want to or
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don't have the skills too. I would say, like he's
really good at the business side of things, and I
really enjoy the creative side of things, and so especially
for the main project we work on together is Junior,
our tea company, and so he does a lot of
the business management calls. Is that what you'd call it?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Like the finance stuff and what else would you call it?
The strategic stuff? Yeah? And I really like doing the creative,
working with the team to do events and building the brands,
the flavors of yeah, the flavors, the intricacies behind what
we actually put into the product. And so honestly we're
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not often on the same calls, and so we do
work together, but I wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've only ever the only thing we've
ever done together work wise is our decompany Juni, and
that was really exciting because that was something that we
shared in common. We both wanted to drink drinks that
didn't have sugar, so we wanted to build a zero
gram sugar drink. We wanted something with low calories, so
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only as five calories. We wanted something that was filled
with ashwagandha and rishi mushroom and all these things that
we know we should be taking. And so that's why
we focused on that. But the reason why it is
easy to work on it together is because we founded
the company many years into our marriage, and I think
by then we have a good understanding of each other's
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strengths and weaknesses, and we have a lot of trust.
So I know, if Radi's on a call about flavor profiles,
I know she understands flavor profiles far better than I
ever would. My palette is really basic. Right before I
met her, I had no idea what any of these
incredible herbs and plant extracts and adaptations are. And so
her level of knowledge in that field is something I
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can trust. It's something I would back, It's something I
feel very confident in, and thankfully she feels that way
about me and my strength, and so I think that's
why it works for us. I don't think I could.
I think I'd find it hard if we had similar
skill sets and we were constantly debating and figuring it out.
I quite like the dividing conquers who works well well.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
We love your tea company, we love your t brand.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Jay.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
In your international best selling book Eight Rules of Love,
you talk about what it takes to nurture a relationship.
Can you give us one or two of your top
suggestions on how you can continuously strengthen bonds between couples.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Should be asking all of you this, but I'll try
my best. I'm sure there's a lot more wisdom on
that side of the table, So I feel underqualified, but
I would say one of my favorite ones is I
have a chapter in the book called your partner is
Your Guru. And what I mean by that is that
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not that they're an authoritative, judgmental, dictatorial individual, because that's
not what a guru is. A guru is someone who's
dedicated to your growth, who's committed to helping you find
your path, and who's patient while you do it. That's
actually what a guru is, especially in the Eastern traditions.
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And one of my favorite things about that is that
your partner is really a mirror. And the challenge we
have in relationships is that the right partner holds up
the mirror in a non judgmental way, but we're so
convinced that the mirror is broken because we don't like
what we see that we reject them. So we reject
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the one person who actually has the ability to help
us grow. And so RADI has been completely non judgmental
empathetic and compassionate about my health journey. When I met RADI,
I was addicted to sugar, I ate a lot of
fried food, I was fairly unhealthy physically, and because I
had a strong mind and meditated daily and felt like
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I'd got somewhere with that journey, I felt like my
body almost didn't matter. I almost felt like it was
a afterthought. And she didn't teach me by telling me
I was wrong and that I was wasting time, that
I was being lazy, and that I should work out more,
because none of those things would have helped me, because
my ego would have come to my defense and been
a shield and pushed back, and I would have been
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affected by that, like I think we all are. Instead,
she set the example. She's worked out every day i've
known her. She's eaten a clean diet, she's always cooked
healthy food. She encouraged me and educated me in the
challenges of how I was living without making me feel
bad about them. And she's been my gurup for my
health and so to me, when your partners your guru,
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and you allow your partner to teach you in a
non judgmental, non confrontational, non finger pointing way that is
the person who can help you grow. There's no one
on planet Earth who could make you a better human
being than the person you spend the most time with.
So that your partners, your guru is probably one of them.
And I think you said a couple. I would add
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that the problem is we often want our partners to change,
but what we don't have is the patience that it
takes to watch them change. And we also want them
to change into the people we want them to be,
not the people that they want them to be. We
see their potential and we say you must rise to this.
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We see the possibility and we say you must reach this.
We see the result for them that we've projected, and
we say, if you don't get to this, you've failed.
And never have we asked them, who do you want
to be? How do you want to live your life?
What are you trying to accomplish? And it's really interesting
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to me that we believe, just because we want to
invest in them, that that care is greater than their ambition.
And I think we work so hard we want to
be their savior. We want to be the person to
solve all their problems. We want to be the person
who fixes everything for them just to feel good about ourselves.
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We don't actually want them to be happy. We just
want to be happy that we're doing something for them,
and so we don't really give them the patience, the time,
the energy to find who they are and move in
that direction for themselves, because we want to feel like
we're helping, we're fixing, We're I'm here to solve all
your problems, and in that you try to be the
person who saves them, but actually you push them away.
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So those would be my two biggest things that I
think if we can, on the first time, learn to
be a guru that's non judgmental, and on the second hand,
learn to be patient and let people become who they
want to be, not try to make them who we
want them to be.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I love that on a personal note because I'm going
to own that, and I think a lot of guys
who are husbands need to own that. Just being radically transparent,
because you called it as it is, like it is
this male desire to want to help, to want to protect,
and so often it is that instead that patience that's
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sitting in it. And I love I love that phrase.
I wrote that down like you know, the idea of
supporting who they want to be, asking them you know
who they want to be, and then supporting them with
that patience on that journey, not wanting to help, not
want to even though it comes from a good place,
just giving the space. I just so many husbands out there,
anyone who's listening, who wants to play that clip back
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on social media for someone in their life to sit with.
I just want to cruise them to sit with that
for a few minutes. I love the honesty of that advice.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Well, and the partner is your guru is just so profound.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, it's changed my life. I didn't know all this
before I got married. I think you figure it out
when you are married, and then you start learning how
much it has to teach you and how much better
you have to become because you love someone. And I
think that's the difference. The right person inspires you to
want to become better, not want to make them better.
Like you know, I think we're constantly worrying about oh God,
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they're not doing this, and they're not doing that, and
they're not doing this, and the right person makes you
look at yourself and go, well, I'm not doing that,
So let me start there.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Grab a refill on your coffee or tea because you
won't want to miss the rest of this conversation. We'll
be right back now back to my legacy with Jay
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Shetty and his wife Roddy.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
This is a very simple thing, but it's very important.
I rarely get sick and I'm blessed and fortunate. But
a lot of that, in my mind is because every day,
not a day goes by that Andrea doesn't put out
vitamins from me. Now, I would like to be.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's a simple thing.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I'd love to be able to do that, and I
will get there, but that constantly reinforces. You know, when
your partner loves you so much that they are very
concerned about your being healthy, being able to go out
into the world as many of us have to do.
So I want to ask you both, what simple thing
does your partner do to show that they love you?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Ah? My gosh, Jason, Well, Jason very expressive person, but
it's not just the words that he uses like he
is someone who will verbally check in and be like,
what can I do to make you happier? Is there
anyway I can help you? And he says that to
me on a regular basis. So I think one part
of it is being vocal about how you want to
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be there for your partner, which I actually wasn't very
good at and I'm still getting better at to actually
vocalize it. I've you know, in my mind, I'm I
see myself more of an active service, which is how
I've seen my parents be. So I'd be like, oh,
but in my mind, I've cooked a meal and I've
done this little thing. But sometimes you realize that actually
having those vocal moments are really important and how much
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that makes a difference in a relationship. But then in action,
it's like the little things of you know, even if
he's just sat down, when I've sat down and I
need something, he'll get back up, Like if I won't
get back up, he'll get back up to get it
from me. Or if I am paying, you still do it,
and you know those little things where you just notice
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someone going out of their way for you, because not
many people want to go out of their way for you.
And then another one is whenever I'm having I'm quite
an emotional person, and whenever he feels my energy is
a little bit off He'll always no matter what he's
got going on, he'll always make space and time to
just check in and be like, do you need do
you need help with anything? Can I sit with you?
I can work through whether it's a work thing, whether
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it's a family thing. You know, he always creates the
time and space, no matter how busy, to have those
moments of connection if he feels like I really need it,
and so, I mean I could probably go on, but
I'll leave it that. There's are a couple of them.
But yeah, there's so many different ways he expresses himself.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Actually, Jay, Yeah, so many as well. I think for
me the biggest one is I think when we first
got married and we moved to New York and then
we were kind of there for a couple of years,
the moving to LA and we've just been through so
much change and change that wasn't anticipated or expected, so
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changed that we both had planned to live our whole
lives fifteen minutes from our local temple in England and
five minutes away from Radi's parents' home. And actually that
was one of her requirements for us getting married, was
that she could be a one mile radius away from
her parents' home. And I'd committed to that, and I
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genuinely had committed to that. It was something that I
thought was very real. All of our friends are in
that area, families in that area. It made sense. And
then all of a sudden, my career took a turn
in twenty sixteen when this part of my life started
to grow, and it's continued to for the nine years, thankfully.
And if I'm completely honest, that was completely not part
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of the plan, not my plan, not her plan, not
our plan. But it was what I couldn't even have
dream And not once in the last nine years has
Radi ever said to me, look what I gave up
for you. And oh god, I could cry saying this,
but it's one of those things. It's like I know
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how much her parents mean to her, now much her
family friends mean to her. I know how much London
means to her, and for her to move away, for
her to give that up when we didn't have clarity,
like you know, we're very fortunate today to have a
wonderful life, but getting here wasn't easy. I was away
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a lot, I traveled a lot for work, I was
building things, moving around, And never once did she say
I gave this all up for you, you're never around
you work too hard. And I think that kind of
trust without nagging, without making someone feel bad when I
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was already carrying the burden of it myself. And I
think that's the feeling that makes you feel loved where
you're like, I was already feeling that way myself. So
if she would have said it to me, it probably
would have broken me. But the fact that she didn't
feel that she had to say it to me makes
me feel loved. So not blaming, not shaming, not pushing,
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not prodding is is. It feels like a small thing,
but actually it's huge. And even at the most difficult
times in our life, whether we were financially struggling, you know,
struggling with moving, changing, whatever things were going on in
our life, every time i'd update her on what would happen,
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she'd always say, I trust you. And hearing your partner
say that when you don't even know what's going to
happen next is the greatest sign of love. And so
and and you know, she radly decided to date me
and commit to a relationship with me when I had
nothing to offer about myself. And so that's a pretty
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big thing. She could have married anyone she wanted to marry,
and so her decision to be with someone who didn't
have a even a secure job when we first started dating,
and you know, someone who'd been in the monastery for
three years and didn't have any sort of savings or
any sort of plan, I think it shows her character
and her ability to you know, go beyond material things.
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And the more recent one, I mean, I could go
on as well.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think the more recently shed I need to get one.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Radi's never let me define my self worth based on
my success. So when I first started to experience success,
Raddi didn't celebrate it in the way I wanted her to,
and I would want. Look, I'd wanted my wife to
be my number one fan and my biggest cheerleader, and
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she wasn't for my career. But I had to realize
if I skewed my perspective, she was for who I was,
So if it came to my character, that's what she
was backing. She wasn't backing me because of my career,
and that took me. That helped me detach from valuing
myself based on the success of my career because I
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think that's what I would have done and what I
would have wanted if she had fallen in that way.
And so her lack of validation for my career was
the greatest validation for my career.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Great, but I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
It's a cute say. And again going back to the
men point, I think a lot of men like we
want our partners to be like front row. We want
them to be the cheerleader, like we've we've got that culture.
And I'm not saying that my wife isn't my cheerleader
and that, but I'm saying, your wife's cheerleading your character,
not your career. That's better because the career is up
and down, Like the career is going to do whatever
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it's going to do, But your characters who you are,
Like what do you want to be loved for? Do
you want to be loved for the amount of followers
you have? Or do you want to be loved for
who you are and how you show up and what
she believes you represent? Then, and so I think it's
genuinely been laughing about it, and it kind of have
funny connotations, but I want to clarify, Like the point
is I think we all want to be loved for
who we are and not loved for what we achieve.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I did start listening to your podcast last year.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
That's guys, are hilarious.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I love this.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I love that your your voice was cracking, like they.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Stop stopping.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
I can see like's eyes starting welling out the two
of you.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
They're a great lesson in the languages of love and
acknowledging that that you know that we all love different ways,
and we receive love differently. And the ongoing challenge is
to find the love language of your partners, or your
or your children or your work, you know, because and
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what I keep hearing is that you all, you all
do that you all kind of ask of what language
does Roddy speak and show love? Or what language does
Jay speak? And then how can I show them love
in my language?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
And I just think that's such a beautiful, beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
And we're just getting started with Jay and Roddy. Jay
and Roddy's journey isn't just about love. It's about becoming
the best version of yourself. Next week we shift from
love to life's greatest lessons what they do for their
own mental health. Wellness and the unexpected daily habits that
keep them grounded. If you think part one was insightful,
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just wait until you hear part two. Trust me, you
want to miss it. Join us next week for Part
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connection and inspiration to live your most fulfilled life.
Raddy's never let me define my self worth based on
my success. So when I first started to experience success,
Raddy didn't celebrate it in the way I wanted her to,
and I would want. Look, I'd wanted my wife to
be my number one fan and my biggest cheerleader, and
(00:25):
she wasn't for my career. But I had to realize
if I skewed my perspective, she was for who I was,
So if it came to my character, that's what she
was back in. I think we all want to be
loved for who we are and not loved for what
we achieve.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I did start listening to a podcast last year. I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hella Loves.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm Andrea Wards King, and that was Jay Shetty reflecting
on the true foundation of love. It's about choosing each
other every single day. Welcome to My Legacy, a podcast
hosted me, my husband, Martin Luther King, the third eldest
son of doctor Martin Luther King Junior, and Coretta Scott King,
and our good friends New York Times bestselling authors Mark
(01:10):
and Greg Kilberger. Today we're joined by Jay Shetty and
his incredible wife, Roddy dev Lukia You may think you
know Jay from his number one podcast, but Arti is
giving us a whole new look at the side of him.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The world rarely sees their love.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Their challenges, and the daily choices that make their marriage thrive. Today,
they give us a glimpse inside their relationship, sharing with
us the hard won lessons about communication, commitment, and how
to nurture love through life's toughest moments.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Let's dive in.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
Welcome to My Legacy Podcast, where we explore what it
truly means to create a living legacy through our actions,
our choices, and the way we show up for others
every day. Ro honor to be joined by Jay Shetty,
global bestselling author and purpose driven entrepreneur whose wisdom on love, mindfulness,
and personal transformation has reached millions through his number one
(02:09):
podcast on Purpose Now. Of course, what makes My Legacy
Podcast unique is we don't just hear from extraordinary individuals.
We hear from their life partners, their friends, the people
who know them best. And we're beyond lucky because Jay
is joined today by his incredible wife, Roddi de Vlukia.
(02:32):
She is a nutritionist. She is a best selling author
of joy Full She is the host of her own podcast,
A Really Good Cry. I love that title. She's a
powerful force for wellness, for conscious living, and for joyful cooking.
Welcome to you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Both, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, I'm so grateful to be back with you and
reunited with all of you. Thank you so much for
having us. We're so honored and so grateful. Truly, it
was such wonderful to be in your presence a year
ago now or is it even longer?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It was about a year ago, about a year.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Ago, So wonderful to be reunited, and I wish you
were meeting Rady in person too. Why we'll settle for this.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
We must do dinner when we're all on the same
coast again.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
We would love that absolutely, yes.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yes, yes, well, Jay on that note, because we want
to know you over well gosh, probably a decade now,
but we don't know Rady as well. So if I
can put you on the spot, the two of you
have created this incredible relationship based on conscious living, on Purpose,
on joy. So how did you first meet this incredible
woman and how did you know that she was your person?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
So the interesting thing is the first episode of my
podcast On Purpose ever was me and Rady telling this
story together. And I always wanted to start the show
at a really authentic, genuine, conscious place, and I thought,
why not do it with the person who knows me
best and knows me most. And so the long story,
short version is, I was in my final year of
(04:06):
college and I knew that I was going to become
a monk after I graduated, and I would go to
my local temple to serve and assist on the weekends
just to stay out of trouble. And when I was
doing that service, I was asked to show a woman
around who was around my mom's age, with different chores
and different practices at the temple. I'd never been asked
(04:28):
to do this before. This was the first time I
showed her around. She was very sweet, and then at
the end of it, she said to me, I have
a daughter that i'd love to introduce to spirituality and meditation.
And I said, well, I'm going to become a monk,
so I can introduce her to my younger sister who's
also involved in the community, and why don't you bring
her in? And so you know, that week she brought
(04:49):
her in and it happened to be my wife's mom,
and Raley was her daughter who came in and I
introduced Radi and my sister, and I remember seeing Rally
and thinking she was the most beautiful woman in the world,
and I thought, no, no, no, focus, focus, focus is
going to become a monk, and so I kind of
like shut it out. And then when I came back
from the monastery, Radi and my sister had become best friends,
(05:10):
and so my sister was our matchmaker. So that's how
we met, and then how I knew she was the one.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Someone asked me this question recently, and I think I
gave at least what I believe to be a truthful
and honest answer, and is that I don't know if
you ever know. I think you commit and invest to
building something together, and you know because the other person
also wants to commit and build and invest in you,
(05:41):
and that's what makes them the one. And I really
believe that it's quite naive to think when you meet someone,
or when you move in with someone, or when you
marry someone, that this is going to be the person
you're with for three or four or five decades in
today's world, and so for me, I know that Radi's
the one because she invents every day today more than
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even when we started. And that's something that I can
only discover today, and I couldn't have known twelve years
ago when we first got together, and nine years ago
when we got married, I couldn't have possibly known that.
And so I hope that freezes people up from this
pressure and expectation that I've got to find this person
on day one and know that they're going to be
perfect and the person. When I probably would have said
(06:24):
that twelve years ago if you asked me, like, I
found the one, I know it now when I look back,
I'm like, no, I'm I'm lucky. She's proved me right,
but she very easily could have proved me wrong. And
so I'm very grateful that she's, you know, stood by
me through so many ups and downs and so many
incredible journeys that we've been on.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
So roddy, I'm very very curious.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So you're at a temple and you see this wonderful
human being that was training to be a monk at
what was going through your mind when you first when
you first met him.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a really good question, you know, I he was
in like he was in white robes at the time,
weren't you. Yeah, he was training to be a monk.
He was in white robes. He knew my mom. It
was like a very odd situation. My mom was introducing us,
and so when I saw him, it was it was
interesting because he had like tattoos in monk clothes, was
a very like, well spoken person, where normally, in my mind,
(07:24):
a monk was someone who was from India and I,
you know, usually would have to speak to them in
another language. And so it was kind of changing a
lot of narratives in my mind of what I expected
to see when my mom was like, oh, I want
to introduce you to this monk. So I think I
was readjusting to my expectations. And then I mean I
started going to his classes and hearing him speak about spirituality,
and honestly, I think I felt in awe of him
(07:49):
through watching him in those spaces and in the community,
and you know, I ended up being an observer of
him rather than a friend at the beginning, because we
didn't really have a friendship or a relationship at all
when we first met. So it was quite nice seeing
him in his own environment doing something that he loved
and so at first it was almost like he had
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He felt like a teacher and a guide more than
he felt like someone that I was thinking I could
be with. But then when I became friends with his
sister and she kept telling me all these amazing things
about him, I was like, Oh, he's so sweet and
they have the sweetest relationship he you know, he is
like a father figure to her, and she loves him
so much. And I thought, well, someone who's got that
relationship with their sister, and usually your sibling has the
(08:32):
best and worst things to say about you, And she
just loved him so much. And so there was moments
where you know, I kept saying to I was like,
you know, I think every like your brother, and she
was like, you can't. He's going to be a monk
for the rest of his life. I leave him alone.
She was like, I need you to leave him, please. Yeah, please,
I'm just telling you he wants to be a monk forever.
So yeah, I kind of gave up on that idea.
(08:54):
And so as soon as he came out from being
a monk and we got to know each other, we
both just realized how how right we ended up being
about each other, as he said, And it was a
nice surprise because it could have gone both ways.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
You know, I love that she said fell in awe
rather than fell in love. I don't think I've ever
really heard that. That's a beautiful Yes, yes, it fell
in awe.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
But the one thing she left out was that she
usually tells a bit like you didn't you didn't clarify
that actually when we first met, you just didn't notice me.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And I didn't like, just yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well I did notice you. I just wasn't like. It
wasn't like my mom saying, hey, here's someone for you
to meet in that way, Hey, here's a monk from.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Him, here's a monk.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Every great journey begins with the foundation that we come from,
the people who raised us, those who you know, sewed
into us, the people who believed in us. So, Jay,
who were the most influential people in your life in
your childhood, and what would you say are some of
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the biggest lessons that they passed on to you.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's such an interesting question. I feel I was very,
very fortunate that the most influential people in my life
became people I discovered through autobiographies and biographies. So and
that's because I think I was the eldest and I
kind of was a bit rebellious, so I didn't really
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fit in, and I don't think I was getting that
much great advice from my family or extended family. And
I fell in love with I mean, you know, I
think I mentioned this to you when we first met.
I fell in love with the writings of Dr Martin
Luther King. I fell in love with Malcolm X. I
fell in love with Dwayne the Rock Johnson and David Beckham.
So my reading, my reading spectrum was fairly wide, but
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I was reading the biographies and autobiographies and writings of
all of these individuals, and so there were pop culture
icons like David Beckham and Draine the Rock Johnson, and
then these incredible history oracle figures to me in Martin
Luther King and in Malcolm X. And that really truly
became the basis of the advice in my life. I
really really believed that I associated with these people through
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their writing. I really believed that they became my wise advisors.
They became my board of directors, and they became the
people that I turned to in times of difficulty because
they'd been through so much so much more than i'd
ever even have to fathom going through. And so there
felt to be an incredible strength in that. And I
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think because my dad was fairly aloof and disconnected from
me when I was young, it really gave me a
freedom to look for that. And now I look back,
and I didn't know this then, but I assume I
was looking for male role models at the time, more
people that I could hold onto. So it's no surprise
that all the books I was reading were men. And
at the same time, my monk teachers, who I really
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do see as father figures to me as well, have
become incredible pillar in my life. And I'm really grateful
to my dad for that. You know, I think a
lot of people may feel that if their parents are
slightly disconnected or aloof, it can be a bad thing.
For me, it was great. I got to become the
man I wanted to be. I got to build an
image of who I wanted to be, and I got
to choose the people that I really aspired to learn
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from and gain from and gain insight from. And so
those individuals, whether it was reading about how David Beckham
on a Friday night would tie a car tire in
the top hand corner of a goalpost and practice taking
free kicks while all his friends were out drinking and
partying and all the rest of it. Or whether it
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was talking about drained the Rock, Johnson's challenges with depression
and finding himself, or whether, of course it was the
incredible work of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. It
was just fascinating to gain insight from what I believe
to be some of the most powerful, incredible and beautiful
people who walked the earth.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
That's so amazing and it resonates so deeply with me
because you all know how much I love reading. I'm
a I love love reading. And I don't know if
we talked about this Jay when we were together, but
when I was a little girl in elementary school, I
spent a lot of time in the library.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Of my school and I read. I mean I went
through almost.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
The entire autobiography and biography section of my school.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I got special awards for that.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So I really resonate with that, like you know, taking
bits and pieces of I always found inspiration in people's stories.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Well we can testify to this because you two haven't
I don't think yet been to the King's house. We
got to make this happen though. But you've got the
amazing shoe closet that's full of books.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Books.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
I love it.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Not just a shoe closet, it's everywhere. You just kind
of walk in and you're goneer knowledge. You don't even
have to open.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Although Martin hates traveling with me and with the with
my with my book.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Heavy Lift, that's so true. When we moved to New
York nine years ago, I had one suit I only
had like two suitcases with me, and one of them
was full of clothes and things like that, and the
other one was completely full of books. Yes, and that's
that's how we traveled. And I was like, no, I
can't leave these behind. And I'm I'm still into physical books.
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I'm not a fan of digital books.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
At talks, you're not both and Radia.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
You said that your family's journey from being refugees to
building a new life shape the way that you see
the world. What lesson from your upbringing would you say
continues to guide you today?
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So many things. My you know, my grandma was born
and raised in India and then moved to Uganda when
she got married. To my granddad and from there she
then became a refugee when she came into Scotland and
with absolutely nothing. They couldn't bring anything with them. And
it was so interesting because even from the moment that
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I like my first memory of my grandma has been
she has spent her whole life just in service to family,
to community, whether it was in the refugee camp. She
was one of the first people to start cooking in
the kitchen for the community because they weren't used to
eating the food from from the UK. They wanted to
eat food that was part of their culture. And so
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my grandma got in the kitchen and she was cooking
for everyone. Even when she had nothing, she was still
doing things for other people. And so I think that's
been a thread of all I've seen her do, and
not ever have I seen a moment of resentment through
doing it. And you know, I always think about, you
know you're doing too much or beyond your capacity when
you start becoming resentful or feeling like you deserve something
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back for doing what you've been doing. But my Grandma,
I've never seen. She's ninety one now and she is
still the most joyful, content like self. Content human that
I I've met, and I honestly think it's because she
gave with zero expectation throughout her life and certain situations
put her into a into a moment where she had
to do that whether she wanted to or not, but
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it became part of her. And so I think that
watching her has wanted like has made me want to
do the same for people around me. And you know,
also her deep spiritual practice, like my grandma speaks to
God more than she speaks to humans. And I don't
say that lightly. She spends more hours of her day
in prayer speaking to God than she does actually interacting
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with humans, at least for the past ten years that
I've seen. She wakes up in the morning at like
three point thirty in the morning, She's praying till nine am.
She's then back in prayer by two pm till three o'clock,
back in prayer again from six pm till eight pm,
and then again in the evening before she goes to bed.
And so I think you can only really give that
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two people when you've when you've given yourself that deeper
connection to God or the universe that's empowering you to
be able to actually give to others in that capacity.
So those are just a couple of the things, but yeah,
so many things, and my mum and my dad both
emulate that same nature too.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
More of this inspiring and powerful conversation after the break.
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Now back to my legacy with Jay Shetty and his
wife Roddy.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
You know, from my experience it's often the struggles that
define who we are. Many times we know the glory,
but we don't necessarily know the story of the individual.
So Jay, can you share or take us back to
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one of the toughest moments in your journey and what
ultimately it taught you.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's so interesting, isn't it. When you're asked to think
about a tough moment in your life, you almost just
see it as your life, and so you don't I
don't know. I never grew up. I only recognize when
I got older and I spoke to people about experiences
I went through that they were tough, because up until
that point they were just my life and they just
felt normal. And you kind of assume everyone's going through
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those things, and so I think we all walk around
thinking that everyone should understand us because they went through
the same thing and the truth is we don't understand
each other because we went through very different things. And
until you meet someone who's gone through something that you
can connect with or resonate with, it's really hard to
reconcile it. I think for me, a big part of
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it was that I grew up in a home that
I mediated my parents' marriage, and I would say that
that was the most challenging thing growing up because I
didn't wake up to a great environment and I think
for me that made me who I am today, and
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so I have a lot of gratitude for that and
appreciation for that. But I think a lot of people
see me and the work I do today, and they
often see the marriage I have with my wife today
in our connection and relationship, and it comes from just
having a long list of what not to do. And
so I think often in life you could get an
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amazing experience, and when you get that, you should write
down everything you should do, and sometimes you're going to
get a really painful experience, and in that you should
write down everything you should never do. And so so
partly what I'm grateful to have today is a list
of what not to do in a relationship. And I'm
very grateful that I got those lessons and those messages
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because they allowed me to really be conscious about who
I wanted to be, what I wanted to build, how
I wanted to grow. And so that was very very
early on in my life, and I really believe that today.
The reason why I have the ability to listen to
people and their pain, and why I feel empathetic and
compassionate to pretty much all experiences is because I remember
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doing that for my parents. I remember listening to my
mom for hours and hearing her challenges and recognizing that
they were real. And I remember listening sitting to my
dad for hours and recognizing his challenges and that they
were real. And what it taught me was to look
beyond the person and find context to how they became
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that way. And I think this is what we often
don't think. We think, why are you that way? But
we don't ask the question, how did you become that way?
Or what happened to you that that's where you are today?
And I think that's a better question. And I think
when I started to look into the past of my parents,
I started to notice so much more information and experiences
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and pain and stress that they'd been through that had
made them that way, and so I felt very grateful
to be loved by both of them, and to this
day feel my mother's unconditional love in the most special way.
But being there for both of them was a really
interesting challenge growing up that it's why I do what
I do for a living today, So I'm not mad
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about it.
Speaker 7 (21:43):
Well, Jay, we're so inspired by that context of how
you've become such an incredible voice. Raddi, I wanted to
ask you a question. You've dedicated so much of your
life to helping others heal. What's a moment in your
life where you've had to heal yourself.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Question? I feel like I'm healing on a daily basis,
But I'd say a place where I felt I needed
the most amount of growth and noticed the most amount
of growth was when me and Ja first got married.
We moved to New York and it was the first
time i'd really moved away from family, moved away from home,
moved to a place where I pretty much knew nobody,
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and we were starting from scratch. And I grew up
as the youngest child where most things were done for me.
I was whether it was like me doing my homework late.
My sister would stay up late and help me whether
any part, any decision I would make, my mom would
help me make it. You know, I really wasn't used
to doing things for myself or by myself, and so
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when we moved to New York, I also had been
studying for a long time, only to move with Jay
to have a spouse visa where I couldn't work, And
so I found myself in a weird position of just
feeling lost and having to get to know myself in
ways that I never had before. I was able to
hide behind the work I did, or my family or
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the community I was part of, and all of that
was kind of stripped away from me to only come
to realize I absolutely did not know myself at all.
I didn't know how to choose colors of things that
I liked. I didn't know how to make decisions for myself.
I didn't know whether I wanted something or didn't. And
so it became this journey that of just starting to
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learn about who I actually was, Like I grew up
just thinking I wanted what my family wanted or I
liked what my sister liked. Because I didn't spend the
time to really get to know what my wants or
needs were. And so I spent a lot of my
time in New York walking around, well one crying, crying
down the streets, which seemed really normal in New York,
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no one seemed to care. And then having to do
some seriously deep work of figuring out what is it
that I like and dislike and want in my life.
And so I'd say that took a lot of healing
because I had to also unlearn things that I had
I thought that I knew about myself based on other people,
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and I had to realize that those were all views
from others and perceptions of others that I had to
step away from because maybe I didn't want that narrative
of myself and I wanted to create a new one.
So yeah, they say that was probably the time I've
had to heal the most.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's interesting too, because so we have an eldest child
married to a younger child, so.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
You're making it work.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
And as I'm hearing your idea, I think that obviously
all of our stories are so unique, but I do
think that that what you just shared is so indicative
to a lot of women as well, you know, kind
of finding our voices, kind of finding what it is
that our you know, aligning to our desires and honoring
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our desires.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
And so I think.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That that was a beautiful share and I think that
so many women in particular can find themselves within that story.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
No, I was just thinking about, you know, I think
we go through this ebb and flow of being lost
and found regularly. And I always used to think that
you just once you figure out what you want to
do or who you are, it's just an upward trajectory.
But I've realized that you end up, you know, when
you end up not realizing that being lost is part
of life's journey. Like you are always going to feel
a little bit lost as you go along life because
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experiences happened, things happen that you don't expect to. You
realize that it's actually part of it. It's not an
obscure thing that only you are going through. Because I
feel like I've gone through moments of feeling really found
and understood to only feel really lost again, and then
I feel really in my purpose and in my power,
and then I feel lost again. And so I think
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that ebb and flow is something that we have to
realize is actually just part of it. I don't think
it is. I don't think it's the exception. I think
it is actually the rule of life, and it's part
of post of it.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I think also that's almost the progress as it relates
to humanity in a way.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
I think we all we think that progress is linear,
but it really is.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
It is more in the ebbs and flow and keeping
hold to that, that vision and that the dream that's
inside of you. So, okay, we know the challenges of
working with.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Your your partner.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
There's challenges.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Really, you know, it's.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Wonderful right now, It's so wonderful all the time, every day.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
How do you all navigate through through those challenges?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
How do we deal with working with each other?
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I notice very wisely questions.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Let me see what she says. My perspective, I would say,
you know, the good thing is we both have extremely
different skill sets, like we are very different humans. And
so what's great in that sense is Jay handles a
lot of the things that I don't want to or
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don't have the skills too. I would say, like he's
really good at the business side of things, and I
really enjoy the creative side of things, and so especially
for the main project we work on together is Junior,
our tea company, and so he does a lot of
the business management calls. Is that what you'd call it?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Like the finance stuff and what else would you call it?
The strategic stuff? Yeah? And I really like doing the creative,
working with the team to do events and building the brands,
the flavors of yeah, the flavors, the intricacies behind what
we actually put into the product. And so honestly we're
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not often on the same calls, and so we do
work together, but I wouldn't say.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've only ever the only thing we've
ever done together work wise is our decompany Juni, and
that was really exciting because that was something that we
shared in common. We both wanted to drink drinks that
didn't have sugar, so we wanted to build a zero
gram sugar drink. We wanted something with low calories, so
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only as five calories. We wanted something that was filled
with ashwagandha and rishi mushroom and all these things that
we know we should be taking. And so that's why
we focused on that. But the reason why it is
easy to work on it together is because we founded
the company many years into our marriage, and I think
by then we have a good understanding of each other's
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strengths and weaknesses, and we have a lot of trust.
So I know, if Radi's on a call about flavor profiles,
I know she understands flavor profiles far better than I
ever would. My palette is really basic. Right before I
met her, I had no idea what any of these
incredible herbs and plant extracts and adaptations are. And so
her level of knowledge in that field is something I
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can trust. It's something I would back, It's something I
feel very confident in, and thankfully she feels that way
about me and my strength, and so I think that's
why it works for us. I don't think I could.
I think I'd find it hard if we had similar
skill sets and we were constantly debating and figuring it out.
I quite like the dividing conquers who works well well.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
We love your tea company, we love your t brand.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Jay.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
In your international best selling book Eight Rules of Love,
you talk about what it takes to nurture a relationship.
Can you give us one or two of your top
suggestions on how you can continuously strengthen bonds between couples.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Should be asking all of you this, but I'll try
my best. I'm sure there's a lot more wisdom on
that side of the table, So I feel underqualified, but
I would say one of my favorite ones is I
have a chapter in the book called your partner is
Your Guru. And what I mean by that is that
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not that they're an authoritative, judgmental, dictatorial individual, because that's
not what a guru is. A guru is someone who's
dedicated to your growth, who's committed to helping you find
your path, and who's patient while you do it. That's
actually what a guru is, especially in the Eastern traditions.
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And one of my favorite things about that is that
your partner is really a mirror. And the challenge we
have in relationships is that the right partner holds up
the mirror in a non judgmental way, but we're so
convinced that the mirror is broken because we don't like
what we see that we reject them. So we reject
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the one person who actually has the ability to help
us grow. And so RADI has been completely non judgmental
empathetic and compassionate about my health journey. When I met RADI,
I was addicted to sugar, I ate a lot of
fried food, I was fairly unhealthy physically, and because I
had a strong mind and meditated daily and felt like
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I'd got somewhere with that journey, I felt like my
body almost didn't matter. I almost felt like it was
a afterthought. And she didn't teach me by telling me
I was wrong and that I was wasting time, that
I was being lazy, and that I should work out more,
because none of those things would have helped me, because
my ego would have come to my defense and been
a shield and pushed back, and I would have been
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affected by that, like I think we all are. Instead,
she set the example. She's worked out every day i've
known her. She's eaten a clean diet, she's always cooked
healthy food. She encouraged me and educated me in the
challenges of how I was living without making me feel
bad about them. And she's been my gurup for my
health and so to me, when your partners your guru,
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and you allow your partner to teach you in a
non judgmental, non confrontational, non finger pointing way that is
the person who can help you grow. There's no one
on planet Earth who could make you a better human
being than the person you spend the most time with.
So that your partners, your guru is probably one of them.
And I think you said a couple. I would add
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that the problem is we often want our partners to change,
but what we don't have is the patience that it
takes to watch them change. And we also want them
to change into the people we want them to be,
not the people that they want them to be. We
see their potential and we say you must rise to this.
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We see the possibility and we say you must reach this.
We see the result for them that we've projected, and
we say, if you don't get to this, you've failed.
And never have we asked them, who do you want
to be? How do you want to live your life?
What are you trying to accomplish? And it's really interesting
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to me that we believe, just because we want to
invest in them, that that care is greater than their ambition.
And I think we work so hard we want to
be their savior. We want to be the person to
solve all their problems. We want to be the person
who fixes everything for them just to feel good about ourselves.
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We don't actually want them to be happy. We just
want to be happy that we're doing something for them,
and so we don't really give them the patience, the time,
the energy to find who they are and move in
that direction for themselves, because we want to feel like
we're helping, we're fixing, We're I'm here to solve all
your problems, and in that you try to be the
person who saves them, but actually you push them away.
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So those would be my two biggest things that I
think if we can, on the first time, learn to
be a guru that's non judgmental, and on the second hand,
learn to be patient and let people become who they
want to be, not try to make them who we
want them to be.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I love that on a personal note because I'm going
to own that, and I think a lot of guys
who are husbands need to own that. Just being radically transparent,
because you called it as it is, like it is
this male desire to want to help, to want to protect,
and so often it is that instead that patience that's
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sitting in it. And I love I love that phrase.
I wrote that down like you know, the idea of
supporting who they want to be, asking them you know
who they want to be, and then supporting them with
that patience on that journey, not wanting to help, not
want to even though it comes from a good place,
just giving the space. I just so many husbands out there,
anyone who's listening, who wants to play that clip back
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on social media for someone in their life to sit with.
I just want to cruise them to sit with that
for a few minutes. I love the honesty of that advice.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Well, and the partner is your guru is just so profound.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, it's changed my life. I didn't know all this
before I got married. I think you figure it out
when you are married, and then you start learning how
much it has to teach you and how much better
you have to become because you love someone. And I
think that's the difference. The right person inspires you to
want to become better, not want to make them better.
Like you know, I think we're constantly worrying about oh God,
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they're not doing this, and they're not doing that, and
they're not doing this, and the right person makes you
look at yourself and go, well, I'm not doing that,
So let me start there.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
Grab a refill on your coffee or tea because you
won't want to miss the rest of this conversation. We'll
be right back now back to my legacy with Jay
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Shetty and his wife Roddy.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
This is a very simple thing, but it's very important.
I rarely get sick and I'm blessed and fortunate. But
a lot of that, in my mind is because every day,
not a day goes by that Andrea doesn't put out
vitamins from me. Now, I would like to be.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's a simple thing.
Speaker 6 (36:42):
I'd love to be able to do that, and I
will get there, but that constantly reinforces. You know, when
your partner loves you so much that they are very
concerned about your being healthy, being able to go out
into the world as many of us have to do.
So I want to ask you both, what simple thing
does your partner do to show that they love you?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Ah? My gosh, Jason, Well, Jason very expressive person, but
it's not just the words that he uses like he
is someone who will verbally check in and be like,
what can I do to make you happier? Is there
anyway I can help you? And he says that to
me on a regular basis. So I think one part
of it is being vocal about how you want to
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be there for your partner, which I actually wasn't very
good at and I'm still getting better at to actually
vocalize it. I've you know, in my mind, I'm I
see myself more of an active service, which is how
I've seen my parents be. So I'd be like, oh,
but in my mind, I've cooked a meal and I've
done this little thing. But sometimes you realize that actually
having those vocal moments are really important and how much
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that makes a difference in a relationship. But then in action,
it's like the little things of you know, even if
he's just sat down, when I've sat down and I
need something, he'll get back up, Like if I won't
get back up, he'll get back up to get it
from me. Or if I am paying, you still do it,
and you know those little things where you just notice
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someone going out of their way for you, because not
many people want to go out of their way for you.
And then another one is whenever I'm having I'm quite
an emotional person, and whenever he feels my energy is
a little bit off He'll always no matter what he's
got going on, he'll always make space and time to
just check in and be like, do you need do
you need help with anything? Can I sit with you?
I can work through whether it's a work thing, whether
(38:31):
it's a family thing. You know, he always creates the
time and space, no matter how busy, to have those
moments of connection if he feels like I really need it,
and so, I mean I could probably go on, but
I'll leave it that. There's are a couple of them.
But yeah, there's so many different ways he expresses himself.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Actually, Jay, Yeah, so many as well. I think for
me the biggest one is I think when we first
got married and we moved to New York and then
we were kind of there for a couple of years,
the moving to LA and we've just been through so
much change and change that wasn't anticipated or expected, so
(39:10):
changed that we both had planned to live our whole
lives fifteen minutes from our local temple in England and
five minutes away from Radi's parents' home. And actually that
was one of her requirements for us getting married, was
that she could be a one mile radius away from
her parents' home. And I'd committed to that, and I
(39:31):
genuinely had committed to that. It was something that I
thought was very real. All of our friends are in
that area, families in that area. It made sense. And
then all of a sudden, my career took a turn
in twenty sixteen when this part of my life started
to grow, and it's continued to for the nine years, thankfully.
And if I'm completely honest, that was completely not part
(39:53):
of the plan, not my plan, not her plan, not
our plan. But it was what I couldn't even have
dream And not once in the last nine years has
Radi ever said to me, look what I gave up
for you. And oh god, I could cry saying this,
but it's one of those things. It's like I know
(40:15):
how much her parents mean to her, now much her
family friends mean to her. I know how much London
means to her, and for her to move away, for
her to give that up when we didn't have clarity,
like you know, we're very fortunate today to have a
wonderful life, but getting here wasn't easy. I was away
(40:36):
a lot, I traveled a lot for work, I was
building things, moving around, And never once did she say
I gave this all up for you, you're never around
you work too hard. And I think that kind of
trust without nagging, without making someone feel bad when I
(40:57):
was already carrying the burden of it myself. And I
think that's the feeling that makes you feel loved where
you're like, I was already feeling that way myself. So
if she would have said it to me, it probably
would have broken me. But the fact that she didn't
feel that she had to say it to me makes
me feel loved. So not blaming, not shaming, not pushing,
(41:18):
not prodding is is. It feels like a small thing,
but actually it's huge. And even at the most difficult
times in our life, whether we were financially struggling, you know,
struggling with moving, changing, whatever things were going on in
our life, every time i'd update her on what would happen,
(41:38):
she'd always say, I trust you. And hearing your partner
say that when you don't even know what's going to
happen next is the greatest sign of love. And so
and and you know, she radly decided to date me
and commit to a relationship with me when I had
nothing to offer about myself. And so that's a pretty
(42:01):
big thing. She could have married anyone she wanted to marry,
and so her decision to be with someone who didn't
have a even a secure job when we first started dating,
and you know, someone who'd been in the monastery for
three years and didn't have any sort of savings or
any sort of plan, I think it shows her character
and her ability to you know, go beyond material things.
(42:24):
And the more recent one, I mean, I could go
on as well.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
I think the more recently shed I need to get one.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Radi's never let me define my self worth based on
my success. So when I first started to experience success,
Raddi didn't celebrate it in the way I wanted her to,
and I would want. Look, I'd wanted my wife to
be my number one fan and my biggest cheerleader, and
(42:52):
she wasn't for my career. But I had to realize
if I skewed my perspective, she was for who I was,
So if it came to my character, that's what she
was backing. She wasn't backing me because of my career,
and that took me. That helped me detach from valuing
myself based on the success of my career because I
(43:12):
think that's what I would have done and what I
would have wanted if she had fallen in that way.
And so her lack of validation for my career was
the greatest validation for my career.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Great, but I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
It's a cute say. And again going back to the
men point, I think a lot of men like we
want our partners to be like front row. We want
them to be the cheerleader, like we've we've got that culture.
And I'm not saying that my wife isn't my cheerleader
and that, but I'm saying, your wife's cheerleading your character,
not your career. That's better because the career is up
and down, Like the career is going to do whatever
(43:49):
it's going to do, But your characters who you are,
Like what do you want to be loved for? Do
you want to be loved for the amount of followers
you have? Or do you want to be loved for
who you are and how you show up and what
she believes you represent? Then, and so I think it's
genuinely been laughing about it, and it kind of have
funny connotations, but I want to clarify, Like the point
is I think we all want to be loved for
who we are and not loved for what we achieve.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I did start listening to your podcast last year.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
That's guys, are hilarious.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
I love this.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
I love that your your voice was cracking, like they.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
Stop stopping.
Speaker 5 (44:32):
I can see like's eyes starting welling out the two
of you.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
They're a great lesson in the languages of love and
acknowledging that that you know that we all love different ways,
and we receive love differently. And the ongoing challenge is
to find the love language of your partners, or your
or your children or your work, you know, because and
(44:56):
what I keep hearing is that you all, you all
do that you all kind of ask of what language
does Roddy speak and show love? Or what language does
Jay speak? And then how can I show them love
in my language?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
And I just think that's such a beautiful, beautiful thing.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
And we're just getting started with Jay and Roddy. Jay
and Roddy's journey isn't just about love. It's about becoming
the best version of yourself. Next week we shift from
love to life's greatest lessons what they do for their
own mental health. Wellness and the unexpected daily habits that
keep them grounded. If you think part one was insightful,
(45:38):
just wait until you hear part two. Trust me, you
want to miss it. Join us next week for Part
two of My Legacy. Thank you for joining us. We
are so grateful to have you as part of this journey.
If you enjoyed today's conversation, subscribe and share the podcast
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this podcast is doctor King's vision of the beloved community
and the power of connection. This podcast is a testament
to that vision and the product of collective effort, enriched by.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
The voices, stories, and support of so many.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
A Legacy Plus studio production distributed by iHeartMedia creative and
executive producer Suzanne Hayward co executive producer Lisa Lyle. My
Legacy podcast is available on the iHeartRadio app or wherever
you get your podcasts. Until next time, may you find
connection and inspiration to live your most fulfilled life.
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Craig Kielburger
Marc Kielburger
Martin Luther King III
Arndrea Waters King
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