April 25, 2024 • 79 mins
This week hosts Angela Rye, Andrew Gillum, and Tiffany Cross go to the circus: Trump’s Trials. According to the trial testimony of David Pecker, Donald Trump participated in a “catch and kill” scheme with the National Enquirer. The paid scheme prevented them from publishing negative stories about him during the 2016 election. If only we were all so rich…we still wouldn’t do it! And at the Supreme Court, oral arguments begin to determine whether former President Trump is immune from criminal prosecution for acts committed while in office.
Protests against the war in Gaza have spread from Google to Morehouse, NYU, Columbia, Stanford, and Yale University (among others). What is up with framing the student-led, anti-war protests as antisemitic? We unpack it on the pod!
In Politics Are Everywhere, American Airlines has made it more difficult to qualify for their frequent flier points, and Angela and Tiff are NOT happy. Andrew asks, is this first world problems y’all?
And of course we’ll hear from you, our #NLPFam listeners! We are 193 days away from Election Day.
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Welcome home, y'all and shout out to Daniel Lauren for
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where we give you our breakdown of all things politics
and culture. We are your hosts, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillum
and I'm Angela Rye.
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What's good, y'all?
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Welcome home like that?
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I love it.
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Across the tea, but don't cross the wad.
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Don't cross the tea the tea, but you want to.
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I want to start someplace a little solemn today on
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the other side of losing Donald Payne Junior, who's an
elected member of Congress, who I love, one of my
forever CBC bosses.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
You left us too soon, and your legacy will be
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Speaker 1 (01:57):
So everybody on today's episode, Louisiana is out here. Louisiana.
The State House just repealed a law that required child
workers to get d DA DA lunch breaks. Louisiana state
representative and owner of Smoothie King franchises says he proposed
the bill because children want to work without having to
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take lunch breaks. Oh okay, So the President signed a
ninety five billion dollar for an aid package for Ukraine, Israel,
and Taiwan into law. It also included that major nationwide
TikTok band that they snuck into that package. And TikTok
has nine months, not nine minutes, has nine months to
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respond and divest from its China based parent company. But
they said, hoh my beer. They want to sue first.
I guess all branches of government are busy this week
with tiff level say it with me, Tiff nonsense, nonsense,
because the Supreme Court hurt a case that could mean
major consequences for the unhoused on a national level. The
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case comes out of Grant's Past, Oregon, where it's illegal
to sleep in public spaces. A Ninth Circuit court struck
down the law as unconstitutional, and now Scotus must decide
whether they can make it illegal to sleep outside if
they have a choice to be somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And today the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
We'll hear arguments on presidential community criminal presidential immunity. While
the Court has already decided on civil immunity with Richard Nixon.
Donald Trump's legal argument would be to extend civil immunity
to criminal And of course there's no president for this,
because we only have had one thuggish, ruggish bone unprecedented president.
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And yes, Trump has said unprecedented y'all we don't trust
the system, right right, Okay, Tiff is on the fences.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, Okay, well I didn't know. I didn't get no, amen,
it's I.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Didn't want to.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I was waiting to see what the second part of
it was.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But for the record, she was worried about she should be.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Okay, And then y'all think it's been hard on us? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yes, now, I said us.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So I just want to know when in the entire
hell us started including Donald Trump, because I'm pretty sure
he is them. But we're going to ask the blacks,
and guess what, that's us. We're the blacks. We are
that focus group. So y'all stay tuned for that very partial,
yet persuasive focus group. We'll also brag on some Trump
trial updates and what do Google more House, NYU, Columbia,
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and Yale have in common? They rich, they tug, and
we have a very very important Justice for Marilyn Moseby update.
And you know it's not home if we don't hear
from the NLP fan so count on it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Let's go, Okay, Tiff and Andrews.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So this week, I know it's TIFF's favorite subject, but
we gotta go here.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We you're talking Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
We are talking what has been named the hush money trial,
but is actually the falsifying business records in the first
degree trial.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
There have been some updates.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
From gag orders to David Pecker's testimony, and I think
that what's really important here is we've got a perspective
that you can't always.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Hear everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So I love for us to talk about briefly our
perspectives on this particular case and what's at stake.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I'll say a little more.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I'll say a little more.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, y'all were to sound. We all had no
sound from this trout. I ain't no sound from this trout.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And I'll let you there was some sound. But I
don't think we need to plan on this show. But
I do like what Mitt Romney said when he came
out and spoke to cameras and said, I think we've
all gotten to see a testament of Donald Trump's character.
And you don't pay somebody one hundred thirty thousand dollars
to not have sex with you, to pay it here,
But I think that sums it up well.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's surprising that he paid the man. I mean that's
the one. This is the piece of Donald Trump's reputation.
Of course that Hillary Clinton pointed out several times. She
even went to New Jersey at one of his clothesed casinos,
because the man doesn't pay his bills. But in this instance,
first of all, last week we talked on the show
where he basically came out to cameras and said, Hey,
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I had a lawyer, look at it. I paid a lawyer.
They told me to write it down as a campaign,
you know, and so that's what that's what I did.
So he said, admitted to having done it. What I
found stunning was the admission by the National Inquirer, yes,
of how they just wholesale went out and made up
stories about Trump's opponents to elevate Donald Trump, diminish his opponents,
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and then stories where they have legit red meat dirt
on Donald Trump. They go out by the story kill
the story, a story that if put on the front
page of the National Inquirer, supported by an actual bonafide witness,
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could actually sell more papers. So, when they were asked
by the prosecutors, was it in your interest, your paper's
interest to kill the Trump story? The founder rightly said
mister Pecker, No, it was not in our interests. Which
is what goes to the heart of this case, which
is why we are seeing him in court in the
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first place, is that he used resources, could have bought
it himself, but he didn't. It would have been legal
for him to do himself, but he went through his lawyer.
They tried to off escape, they tried subterfuge, they tried secrecy,
they tried it all and now the man's been called
to the carpet and we'll just see if he's held accountable.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well, I think a phrase that you hear a lot
in this trial is catch and kill, and so just
people understand what that is. That is when an entity,
an outlet, catches a story, assumingly buys a story, which
you know is an ethical in journalism. That's why people right,
and it's important to draw that distinction, right, because they
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will buy a story which when you pay somebody for something,
it automatically puts it to question in terms of credibility,
and then kill the story. And that's what happened here.
I think it's also important to note who reads the
National Inquirer. These were people who were more likely to
vote for Donald Trump. These are people who forgive the
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elitist nature of this comment, but these were people who
I dare say were not the most intellectually curious if
you're going to the National Inquirer for your news. And
this is how we hear from our latest star. Last
week we talked a bit about Stormy Daniels. This week
we're hearing another old name uh makes all these charges
and scandals, and that's Karen McDougal, the former Playboy model
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who says she had an afear with Trump in two
thousand and six, and this was her whole case. She
sued the American Media Inc. Which you know, David Pecker's company,
which owns National Inquirer, because they caught her story. They
bought her story, paid her I think one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, and they were going to just do
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away with it. She agreed to this because they agreed
to then write, let her write columns, and let her
be a model, but of course they never published anything
for her. I think it's also interesting that she was
talking about while she was a side chick, she met
Malania Trump, met Donald Trump's kids, walked past Baron's bedroom
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and the weird stuff that she said. He said to her.
He talked about how much he loves Ivanka and how
beautiful she is, and he would tell her that she's
beautiful like his dog. This weird, crazy, creepy stuff, and
so to me, regardless of the outcome of this case,
it really does put before the American people. This is
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the kind of person that seventy five million, mostly white
people are voting for because he allows them the freedom
to say the quiet part out loud. He allows them
to freedom to hold mostly white power and white control.
As the demographics of this country change, they would rather
see it burned to ashes before they saw power equally
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distributed among the American body politic, which is a patchwork
of all types of people, from all types of socio
economic backgrounds, all types of hues. And it's sad to see. Really,
I know, Angela, I'll go ahead, No, go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So Tiff. At least, at least none of us are
confused about why it is they keep showing up for
this man. This is yes, changing demographics, This is about power,
and I just think none of us should ever forget
what's at game here, even the ability for a man
to be able to talk to a owner of a paper,
get a story.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Keelled, how about that?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Get other stories that are not fact based whatsoever? Put
in the cycle. And the one thing about you know,
tabloids or tabloids, but some tabloids end up entering into
mainstream media. They may be the first one to go
that way, but they're the ones that make it a
public conversation that then others can then riff from. And
that's the power that this man had, and and Trump
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zeroed in on it and took it for a ride.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Inside Edition said we were the outlet that everybody made
fun of, and then the cable news outlets became.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Lord, how about that? So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So David Pecker, as Tiff described, talked about this twenty
fifteen arrangement he had with Donald Trump. But more over,
which you just said, Tiff, which I think is really
important to our listening audience, is Donald Trump has had
the ability to say the quiet part out loud. However,
in this instance, in this trial, he has been reprimanded
for ten instances of violating the order. Turns out the
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gag is up and he might not be able to
keep talking as he has been talking.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
But on this since he's walked around immune.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We know that at the center of this trial really
is the intersection of white privilege and wealth privilege. And
Donald Trump has escaped liability, escaped culpability because he's been
able to pay his way out of everything. And so
now whether or not he'll be able to continue the
end that privilege is before the Supreme Court of the
United States as they hear oral arguments in the presidential
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immunity case.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Why is this different?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
His defense team is referencing Richard Nixon versus Fitzgerald, where
the Supreme Court ruled that a president is entitled to
civil immunity from litigation.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
What they've never.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Had to decide upon, as I said in our rundown,
is whether or not presidents are immune from criminal liability.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And that is what is at play here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Donald Trump is saying that that immunity should apply to
his criminal conduct. How do y'all think the Supreme Court
is going to rule on this? They're just hearing oral arguments.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We know we won't hear this until likely around June
or July, But how do y'all think that they're gonna
be SciTE on this?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I have a question when you the law says that
a president is immune from civil immunity, what does that
mean exactly? That means that somebody cannot privately sue the
president while he's in office. That's right, Sonny, acts done
while he was in office, got it? So any suits
that existed before they took office would persist, and any
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suits that happen after it just can't be okay. So then,
or I was gonna say, because Donald Trump was doing
all kinds of things while he was in office, I
was going to say, in the private sector, his children
the first year they were in office at Vanka and Jared,
I think made over eighty million dollars. I think that
first year.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So I wonder I think part of the distinction Tiff
and Angela, correct me if I'm wrong. I think part
of the distinction is is while you may be immune
from civil lawsuit while you serve as president for actions
that you take in the interests of the presidency thereby
the American people.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So acts that you.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Take that are individual. And this is the line this
man is trying to draw, right, Well, he's not trying
to draw the line at all. He's saying, basically, as
I am president, I'm a king. I'm immune regardless of
what I've done, whether it is in the interest or
in pursuit of my job as president, or whether it's
in my individual Donald Trump croning, crooning, whatever capacity is
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the what is that stake right now with the court,
And I think it's It would even be a question
if this were civil. Matter has got to be whether
or not a president can be held responsible for acts
that are not consistent with his duties as a president
while he is serving as president.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And official of official action.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
In this, man is basically saying, if I'm president is
official by right of title, anything I do is all right.
And the court, if the court goes that way we
said this before. If he goes out and he kills
his political enemy and then says I'm president and therefore
it must be legal this they have to take this
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to the logical extreme possibilities, and nowhere on planet Earth
could it be true except in Russia with Putin? Can
you kill your political enemy and never face a consequence
for it because you happen to be the president?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Him saying like, because I'm president, whatever I do is legal.
This is definitely very reminiscent of Nixon, and it reminds
me of that infamous interview with Nixon and David Frost
where he's like, look, I'm the president, so whatever I did,
I think the scary thing that we collectively, no matter
what side of the divide you fall on here, this
is such a dangerous case, you know, because if the
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Supreme Court of Scotus rules, if they affirm Trump's claims,
they will literally upset the separation of powers and usher
in this regime of lawlessness. Right, this is an existential
threat to America. And if that happens, this is not
what the framers intended. So for all the patriots out
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there who love to draw up the founding fathers that
they think were these magical people, there is no case
that supports Trump's arguments that he's just immused. It's just unreal.
So you are unraveling uh centuries of American democracy, which
I think would cast a really dark shadow over the
rest of the globe. The symbolism of America is important
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for world order. If that falls, I shudder to see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Tip to your point, You're like, there there is no case.
There really is no case, like the idea, there's nothing
for them to harken back to, because there was a
point in time in this country, not long ago, where
even a tan suit was criminal in the in the
old way, you know what I mean. But there is
there is this this double, this triple, this quadruple standard
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where you can escape just because you're highly popular. You
can escape because of your celebrity. You can escape because
of the number of people who live in their fear,
who aspire to be like you. And this is the
indeed the problem. I am terrified about whether or not
this Supreme Court, the makeup of this Supreme Court, can
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remember that their obligation is to interpret the Constitution and
its intent for this country, not to protect this flamethrower.
You know, like your your obligation is not to protect
this reckless human being who will single handedly. And I
should stop saying that because I know better. I believe
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what Harry Reid said when he said this was the
Republican Party's freak, itsign, not single handedly, but as a result,
it is building destroyed democracy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And hard.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's so hard every time I talk about the destruction
of democracy, because I know that this very broken system
hasn't served us, but it is the one we have.
It is the one that we have the ability to
repair unless we listen to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Look, why do you have to lose? You're living in poverty,
your schools are no good, you have no jobs.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
What the hell do you have to lose?
Speaker 7 (18:50):
The black people are so much on my side now
because they see what's happening to me happens to them.
The mugshot. We've all seen the mugshot. And you know
who embraced it more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Else, the black population.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
It's incredible. You see black people walking around with my
mouth shut. I'm being indicted for you, the black population.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Chow wow.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I remember when he said the first part. I'll get
to secondbout it in a minute, but the first part
where he's going down this list of what he considers
to be the eels that the black community in this
country were facing. This is back in twenty sixteen, these
campaign against Hillary. I don't remember the judgment Animus venom
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that was in his voice when he was giving that
This wasn't a person listing issues and solidarity with a plight.
This was a man from a Pejorada's standpoint, calling out
all the things that they say in their quiet places
about black folk. He's at a rally saying, y'all stink.
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You sit on the corner and you wait for the bus,
you go to the groceryes. So what a plastic people
had wrap on your head?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
You do?
Speaker 9 (20:03):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He's going down all of the judgments that are made
by his folks and basically saying, you live in shit
and squalor what the hell else do you have to
lose by electing me? This was when usually people go
down a laundry list. It is in solidarity with no
one should have to face this. That ain't what he
did there. And I just picked it up listening at
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that clip. I knew it was wrong from the moment
I heard it. But yeah, but the animus and the
venomous didn't come through quite the way that it did
just there. And then just one last point and I'll
give it up, which is to say, for those who
may think, why would you hold a president immune in
any at any point because they were president, let's just
understand that the law is based in something the president
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is based in something real, which is you wouldn't want
a President Obama being sued by a bunch of different
states or senators or Donald Trump's or whomever because he
decided to pull troops out of Iraq. That is an
official act of the presidency. He is the commander in chief.
He executed that, but by doing so, maybe there were
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some other consequences that fell from it. You don't want
a president being wrapped up and having a second thought,
second think every judgment decision they make as the executive
of the President of the United States, acting in fear
or trepidation because he may be sued while he's still president.
Those are called official acts, right. What he's trying to
do is extend this definition of official acts to say
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anything that I do, any conduct that I have while
I'm President of the United States, I'm immune from it.
That ain't never been the law. And that is the
question that is before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That is the question that is before the Supreme Court.
But the question is before us. The Blacks have convened
their focus group is whether this is relatable to us,
not just what in the hell do we have to lose.
We know how much is on the line, we know
we're threatened, but with it every time we walk out
the door. But then he says that, like we're walking
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around with his mugshot on. And then there are black
folks who have used their platforms they shall not be
named on this here podcast, but have used their platforms
at talking amongst families, saying that this is in fact relatable,
that we do know what it's like to be testing
and tried by the system, that it is reminiscent of
the government going after folks like they did doctor King
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and Malcolm X. I am looking around, like where sway
and how sway? Because what I know is that this
same trial that we were just talking about, Like, what
happens if we violate a gago to y'all, we get
held in criminal contempt of court? What happens if we
pay off someone to do if we even have the
resources to pay off someone to not run a story
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about us, What happens we already talked about tansuit, happens
if we wear a tan suit? Or what happens if
we get mad and say, for the first time in
my adult life, I'm proud of my country Michelle in
two thousand and eight, Right, like, let's be very clear
about the fact that there are not a whole lot
of parallels here. The fact that you can speak to
our plight, as Andrew said, with disdain, does not make
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you one of us. It does not make you us.
The system is not trying you. You're actually abusing the system.
Who among us could stand ten toes down with eighty
eight indictments and get three.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Discways for president and nominee again of one of two
major parties.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Tiff is swermy wormy, So I want to hear what's
on her.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I'll be brief because I want us to get off Trump,
as you know, But I would just say Donald Trump
says Asen nine things all the time, and it's I
often said trying to cover him when he was in
office was like trying to catch confetti, because there was
some new stupid thing that he would put in the
atmosphere every day, be it tweet or you know, some
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press conference he would hold. The disappointing part of this
is I think the lowest common denominator among us echoing
this message. And Angelae you said family talk, but the
thing is this was not family talk. This was somebody
going outside of family carrying the water for this half
witted politically inept president and carrying this message to people.
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And I don't believe the people who say this would
ever say that to family. I think you say something
like that to get the adoration of white people, to
get the Ada boy from white people, and it just
I think makes people who are out there saying these
ignorant things. It makes you look like the small person
that you are. And I don't even mean in height
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or stature, I mean in intellect and intelligence. And I
expect ignorance from some people. I'm not remotely interested in
somebody's political opinions on a large platform. You're tax paying citizen,
You have a right to vote, and you have a
right to your opinion. I just don't really care about it.
The disappointment I feel is when members of the media
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elevate certain voices who really have no business weighing in
on such things. And I think that only happens within
our community. I can't remember somebody asking a white sports
commentator to weigh in on foreign policy or domestic policy,
and it just drives me a little nuts. So I
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would just challenge the media, maybe do a little background
and consider who you're putting out there, and if you're
finding somebody that makes white people comfortable, then you're probably
you have the wrong voice.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
If I take slight departure and I hear where you're
coming from, just on this piece around the resonance of
a mugshot and his tangling with the criminal justice system,
of the justice system so publicly in the way that
he has of late, and what residents that may have
with some black folk. Some of the names that we're
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not going to check. Some of the black folks Angela
you're alluding to who have given audience to this, who've
echoed this belief that he know us a little better
because he's gone through what we've gone through, are legit folks.
And I don't think they're just making it up. I
think they think that man, seeing this guy go through
this kind of lets them see out loud that white
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people go through it too.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Let's be clear, first of all, white folks have always
been entangled in the criminal justice system. They pre existed us.
We were property they you know, So that part is
not new. What is new here is obviously the way
he's trying to play us. I get that it would
be nice and relatable to have a president who has
some shared experiences, but let's not get it twisted. Trump
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does not share our experience in any way, shape or
form as it relates to how black people encounter the
criminal justice system and how powerful white men I e.
Donald Trump, encounter this system. And I feel this personally
because I've been there when I was accused and guided
and I had to surrender myself to the government a
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day I will never forget, one that will live in
infamy for me. I showed up, and first things first
is I had to take a mug shot. When Donald
Trump showed up in New York for Alvin Bragg. There
was a fingerprint he was handed his indictment, but there
was never a mug shot. The next thing that I
had to do was I got handcuffed not only by
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my wrists, but then by a chain running down to
my waist, and then a chain around my waist, and
from my waist a chain going down to both my
left and my right foot with two more handcuffs, and
I had to walk at the distance of a baby's
legs with because that's how constrained I was. Right, So
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Donald Trump didn't have a handcuff on him. Let's get
that correct, and hadn't had one in any of the
surrendering that he's had to do around any of these cases.
When I was accused, I lost a bank, I lost
American Express and four credit cards associated with him with
a near eight hundred credit score. While Donald Trump, who
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isn't just a que but was found responsible liable five
hundred plus million dollars, he got to pay and he
didn't lose nothing. He went and got two hundred almost
two hundred million dollars secured to back him up. So
while he goes through appeal, right, that didn't happen for us,
didn't happen for me. I lost it, Yet this man
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so so for money he legitimately owes. I was just accused. Right,
we beat their asses, and in his case, I think
he's going down. My only point here is, do not
get it twisted just because the man is purping like
he has a relationship and understands our plight. One, you
misunderstand us. One because all of us don't have that
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lived experience. Number Two, you misunderstand us, and actually you're
not trying to understand us, because this is never about
a system. It's always about Donald Trump. This is not
about how people are treated in the criminal justice system.
This is about how Donald Trump is being treated in
the criminal justice system. His level of privilege, no matter
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how why he is, is not privileged that I would
believe is extended to all white folks. It is extended
to him at his level of power and influence. And
his grievance is only with the way he's being treated.
He is not dismantling a system for the corruption of
a system. He wants to dismantle a system, but because
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of the way in which he has been treated in
that system, not because how you and I fare in
that system. He can't even dream of how to relate
to a criminal justice system that treats him the way
it treats us.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, it's a word.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It is such a word. And Andrew, I thank you
for your vulnerability and sharing it. I think that it
has been a point of privilege for us to have
you free.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Some started. He's getting some started.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But like it didn't have it didn't have to be
that way.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Like the thing that is so alarming and unnerving about
what he's saying is it literally is a slap in
the face for everyone who is fighting with everything they have,
with every dime they have with every ounce of energy
they have as they contemplate whether they should be here
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or not. That is a completely different battle that he
has never faced, that he has no idea about. So
any moment, in any moment where we are, you know,
kind of confused, Like something that he's saying sounds right,
the unjust system sounds right.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It rings true to me. I want you to take.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
A moment to tap in with someone who has experienced
the other side of the criminal justice system and ask
them what their journey was like, because it didn't look
like his.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That is the part for me.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And as much as like I'm tired of talking about
him too, Tim, I think that we have an.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Obligation to our people to just take a beat.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sometimes and remind us all why what he says is
so triggering, why it is both infuriating because we know
what he means and what our experience is and how
he's using it to juxtapose it against and lean up
against our actual struggle fake in the face of a
fake foe struggle, Like how dare you use what our
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people have been through, how they've sacrificed their lives for righteousness,
for justice and throw that in our faces as you
are like able to just escape scott free all the time,
you know, like that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Is the part for me.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And so I just want to tap in with my
brother for a minute to say I am so glad
that you leaned on faith and you leaned into courage
and you were able to take this on and you
were successful. That is not always our testimony, you know,
it is one in a million, Andrew like, normally the
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FEDS prosecute, the FEDS win, They bank on that and
even when it is false, when it is wrongful, and
Donald Trump is not, you don't get eighty eight indictments
wrong at every level of government.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That just don't happen.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Well, can I just tap in on something because I
hear you Angela about talking about Trump. I just think
you know what we get to do here is have
a different lens that you don't hear on cable news.
But we are also overlooking news. You know, there was
a piece in the New York Times this morning right
on target what we're talking about about the disproportionate number
of botched executions that impact black men directly. This man
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is not worried. Donald Trump is not worried about that
is not his life. That's not his testimony. Andrew, your
testimony is harrowing, for sure. There's also testimony of people
who had swat crashed through their house, break open their windows,
harm their children from their mothers, their daughter, the you know,
red dog police teams in Atlanta, and with what they did,
and then the name of justice of targeting parents who
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lost children. That is what our criminal justice system looks like.
So I just challenged the media at large to not
turn this into a reality show with wall to wall
coverage while overlooking things that can still speak to these issues,
but don't give him the attention that he soul craves
and desires.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And the media ain't interested in that larger narrative that
we're talking about, right they.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
That's why Native landa.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Donald Trump ain't here for it either. And that's why
we have to as as as gut wrenching and mind
numbing it is to have to talk about this guy.
It's important because the story, if we allowed his story
and his his his his embrace of us to go
unchallenged just because it has a resemblance a very a
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very shadowy resemblance. Because you threw criminal justice out there
in a mugshot that somehow you understand this thing, and
your point is well taken to the story. The harrowing
experiences of people go so deep, so many places within
our community with regards to our confrontation with law and
justice and our mistrust of it. That this like again,
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just just know this man ain't he ain't even not
on the page. He ain't in the book. He's not
in the book we're reading.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Well now, we just spend so much time on him.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
To take a break, you know, y'all we got bills
to pay because, unlike Donald Trump, we can't escape this.
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All right, Well, after much debate, we've decided that you're
also going to ban TikTok from our episode today. We
don't have enough time. Well, we're gonna talk about it,
and said, is HB to use? They don't always get
enough coverage?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And you are right, brother, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You know you always always have children.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I love my niece and nephews, but Jesus always keeping.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
My brother sick.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Joe Biden was invited to deliver the commencement speech at
Morehouse College and it is being met with mixed reviews.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
The timing is bad, I mean it would almost be
like inviting Linda Johnson to come and speak at Morehouse
at the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Mitchell is a civil rights attorney with the Council on
American Islamic Relations and is himself Muslim. He graduated from
Morehouse in two thousand and nine. Until speaking out against
justice is woven into the fabric of the Storage.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
School, I do expect that there will be a vocal
outcry about this, But I do think in the spirit
of more House in the history moreuse, it will be respectful,
It'll be intelligent, it will be affected.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
We wouldn't expect anything less. But y'all, this is it
is interesting timing. And the most students, folks on the
faculty and alums have something to say about Joe Biden
delivering the commencement speech in the middle of what's happening
in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Well, I think this is clearly a campaign ploy. I
think they are paying attention to. I believe the false
media narrative that Joe Biden is losing support among black men.
And I wonder if more House invited the President or
if the President offered Hiden.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
In September, but he just he just said yes.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Which is but we don't think anybody from the well,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't eve want
to speculate.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I got an experience of what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I hear you right right, I mean I think you
know it benefits him, just for our listeners who may
not be as familiar with Morehouse. I mean, this is
very much is like the Ivy League of HBCU's previous speakers.
Wes Moore was a commencement speaker for black Governor of Maryland.
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Raphael Warnock is a previous commencement speaker. We all remember
when billionaire Robert Smith was the commencement speaker and paid
off everybody loans. Yes, yes, President Obama spoke there in
twenty thirteen. So the young men who attend Morehouse College
are some of the best and the brightest. And that
some names you would know, Bacari Sellers, Mark Lamont Hill,
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our friend Albert Sanders, he hates when I talk about him,
but I'll just say he went to Morehouse and Sirmichael Singleton, Republican.
You see him there. So they have a very Distinguishedst.
Martin Luther King of course went to Morehouse so I'll
be interested in hearing how President Biden connects with the students.
I think he has to be aware that it will
not be a completely warm reception. I think we can
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expect anticipat seeing protests, and I wonder how those protests
will show up during his remarks. But this is something
that I have to say. We try to tell you
you cannot convince an oppressed people that other people are
not being oppressed. We are the best at recognizing it,
and so I I just I wonder what their plan is,
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because this bridge is their domestic policy and foreign policy
that very few people support. I don't know. Angela is
so disgusted by it that she is slapping herself with
a face. She can't take it.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
You emagine on my lip you didn't see that. It
was like a little fruit flap, like what the hell?
And it's like sticky.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
I know that feel. I had that feeling when you
wearing them juicy tubes and you're like, what is laying
on my lip? I don't like is that that pete sparkles.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's just best to ignore it when it happens. Just
literally not talking about that. I'm talking about when when
does what it does just be like, no, that didn't
go in.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
There Ala this guy. So she was like this looks up.
She was beating herself in the base like Angela is passionate.
Please Angela, you say your remarks on this moral thing.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Tiffany, I think I agree. He's lucky that this is
morehouse in this since I think I think this will
be a very organized If there's a protest, it will
be it will be incredibly respectful. And I'll just say
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I I think it will be a one reception overall
for him here because I think, yeah, because largely they're
going to talk about issues that confront black folks written
large and I think the White House probably didn't deeply
contemplate how international affairs might intersect with this visit. But
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but but we know that it will. Speaking of people
who invited themselves, when I was stud by President fam
you Jeff Bush invited himself. Isn't known it is it
was said he was invited to be Famuse commencement speaker,
and no, the real story was he invited himself. Had
the president it would have been my graduation and of
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course hail No, it wasn't innounced that student body president
that if Jeb Bush accepted the invitation to be Famus
commencement speaker, that the students of FAM you and the
grad led by the graduates would stand up, turn our
backs and walk out on him. It would have been hell.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Is he didn't he.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Just drop off the face of the earth.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I mean, as far as I can, he could fall
all the way off the earth. In that case, all
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is he means figuratively. For those of you that might
think that that's yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, he just you know, it all works. But but
I think they they have not really, in my opinion,
fully appreciated how deep this this this divide is in
America generationally, particularly as a relation to the the Israeli
UH and Palestinian conflict. The folks here, young, Jewish, non Jewish, black, white,
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everything in between. They they know right from wrong. And
when they see children, women, family spokes who did not
wage war, would not want for war. They just happen
to live in a war zone and are and are
living through that under the hostageship of Hamas every single
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day in and outside of conflict with with with with
Israel for them to pay the price for the actions
of terrorists to the tune of some thirty plus thousand.
Now there's no humanity in that. That's right, and this
and this generation of folks is that they're like democrat,
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I don't care who you are. Wrong's wrong, and we're
not down for this. Something's got to happen, something's got
to change.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
And it's I mean everywhere.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
So, speaking of respectful and peaceful protests, students are speaking
of and they are loud, and they are clear. They
are not just online, they are on campus, you know,
speaking of respectful protests. What we know is the students
have something to say, especially on what's happening in Gaza.
There are it's not just more house. It's not just
on TikTok there's about to be banned potentially. It's not
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just on social it's all over campuses throughout this country.
What's really been in the media lately are Columbia, mostly Yale, NYU, MIT,
University of Michigan, California State, Berkeley, and many others. And
what I think is so important is that folks are
kind of talking about this like student protests are.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
In a vacuum. They've been largely peaceful.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Of course, There's been some conflicts, some folks on extreme
sides of the issue, but this is not new. Students
have been protesting on college campuses since the beginning of time.
Andrew just referenced his time as Student Government Association president
at FAMU. What he didn't say is he also was
protesting in the governor's office while at fam You.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Angeline, what's your best one? I ran for SJA president.
My opponent said, this is college. If gillim WINZ all
he gonna do is have us protesting. We're supposed to
have fun here too. It turns out you lost, you lost.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
And on that they said, no, we're gonna use our
voices in the Student Activity Activities Fee to get what
we want. The Greensboro sit in in North Carolina A
and T Alabama State University back in the day at
Kent State students who protested the Vietnam War at FISK
in nineteen twenty five, they were students were protesting and
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it ended in police entering their dorms and they were
you know, it's there are also some violent ends.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
To this BLM.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
We've seen women's rights, we've seen gun rights, we've seen
or gun.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Control, climate change, anti apartheid.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
This has happened since the beginning of time, and testing
was at one point our right, and now students are
facing some very different kinds of threats, suspension, and a
lot of other things.
Speaker 11 (44:10):
I empathize with individuals who feel uncomfortable with certain rhetoric, but.
Speaker 9 (44:15):
I remind you that we live in a country and
we go to attending university that extremely values free speech,
open dialogue and.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Rhetoric, and I would encourage.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Everyone to listen to a variety of perspectives and to
analyze what it means to.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
Not like something or disagree with something, versus to actively
be in a position of being unsafe.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know what I think is so important about this
is what has often missed in narratives that I've read,
is the fact that this is a protest and a
moment and a movement really of solidarity between Jewish and
Palestinian people. What you see in that clip and hearing
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that clip is a young woman, a young Jewish woman
on campus who's saying, I understand the inflammatory rhetoric. What
I'm talking about is our First Amendment right to peacefully assemble,
and that can include protest for whatever reason. What is
starting to happen now, and y'all have seen this is
anarchy is being conflated with anti Semitism, is being conflated
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with protests, and I want to talk really about the
dangers of those things and how they are all separate.
If this young sister could stand here and say I'm
standing in solidarity with this because not on my watch,
why does her voice not matter? Is she herself an
anti Semite for standing with folks who are saying I
don't want to see innocent children and people killed because
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of what Hamas has done in Israel and Gayza.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Right, and Hamas again a terrorist organization by the United
States who has overthrown pretty much the power of the
Palestinian authority, which is the actual governing body and leadership
over the Palestinian territory. Hamas a terrorist group who obviously
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undertook those horrific murders and attack on Israel, which none
of us, not even the protesters at least, none of
the ones I've heard from and that I know, would
condone this is Angela. I'm so glad you're My big
frustration here is that it seems, if you are protesting
in humanity or war, that somehow that makes you anti
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a group of people based off of their religion, the
color of their skin, their nation of ancestral or heritage.
It would be one thing if you were saying I
hate Israel and I hate Jews. That is antisemitic, that
is hateful, that is racis that is wrong. It is
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another thing to say that you hate war or you
hate war and the consequences that are right now being
had havocked over the people, the innocent lives and the
Palestinian authority in Palestine. I don't mind referring to it
is that, even though it is not yet recognized, it
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is fine in my opinion to be for in fact,
every one of us should be abhorring that kind of
loss of life, every single one of us. This is
what Governor DeSantis and Florida had to say the inmates
run the asylum, criticizing pro Palestinian protests happening on college
campuses in the state of Florida. He goes further to
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say students should be expelled for protests and if you
are at a university here in the United States on
a visa, that visa should be canceled by the government.
If you participate in protests. So just a quick note
for the governor and those who think like him. First
Amendment of the United States Congress shall make no laws
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respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press,
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and
to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I
know that was boring text, but that is the Constitution
of the United States, the First Amendment. These people don't
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even believe in the First Amendment when it runs county,
so when it runs counter to what it is that
they believe. And for y'all who keep talking smack trash
about protests interrupting your lives, if it ain't interrupting your lives,
it is likely not protests.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I think it's important for us to understand. Beyond
the college protests, there are also folks inside organizations, big
organizations like Google that also have taken history issue with
what's happening in Gaza. Some employees have protested an Israeli
contract of Google, and Google responded by terminating those who protested.
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It's now more than fifty people who have been fired.
They're saying that Google is quote no place for politics,
gonna fool me.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
I was fired about a month ago.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
This is Eddie Hatfield. He lost his job last month
after disrupting an Israeli tech conference that Google sponsored and.
Speaker 8 (49:34):
I refuse to build technology that powers genocide. It was
sickening to see Google's name all over the walls of
that room while speakers come up and use genocidal, violent
language to refer to Palestinians. That room is a place
where they're making decisions about how this technology gets used,
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but not everyone who's affected by those decisions is get
let's to have a voice in that room, that being
the people being bombed.
Speaker 12 (50:02):
By AI systems in Gaza, people moving between checkpoints in
the West Bank and beyond. When when this technology eventually
gets exported.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, so I don't I think that we really are
at this interesting crossroads where and you know those moments
like when Congressman Barbara Lee was on the House floor
and she was the lull like the loan.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
We were just.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Talking about that, you know, we were waiting, Yeah, we
were just talking about the courage of Barbara.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Oh yeah, like saying this is not the war and
then come to find out people are like what happens
in mass destrection?
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Where are they?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
You don't want to find yourself on the wrong side
of history. There are are student protests again from the
beginning of time, trying to ensure that we never betray
our moral compass in this country. Where will we stand
even in tough times? Where where were we stand on courage?
Where we stand when we see what what folks are
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up with against? You know, these young people dying, these
innocent people dying, starving, can't make it to hospitals, don't
know how they're going to see their next where they're
going to see their next meal?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Like this is a really I don't know. I think
that the way that this is.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Being handled, both in corporate and on college campuses is
just wrong.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
But the root of the problem is is our foreign policy.
You know, what we are seeing take place in Gaza
is collective punishment. You know, it is hard for you
to try to convince me it's not. That is an
international war crime. Mark Lamont Hill have to give it
to them. He did an amazing interview on Al Jazeera
where he was really cornering government officials saying, but you
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are punishing all these people. We've seen grandmothers, grandmother's with
their hands up like this, shot dead. We've seen children
and starving, a mother holding her two year old. Biden said,
if they kill Americans, then we have an issue. Well,
they've killed Americans. We have crossed that red line at
this point. And I don't think American life is any
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more valuable than Palestinian life. We are seeing murder. We
are seeing murder, and we have to start calling it
what it is. And I see time and again on
media interviews with a lot of young Jewish students who
are on another side of the divide and saying, yes,
it is anti Semitism, and we're, you know, on the
receiving end of this, And my thought is I get
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so angry you got I mean really to the point
where it crushes my mental health for today, where I
find myself consumed by it, because I want to shout
where the are the Palestinian students who are harassed every day,
the Muslims who are harassed, the policies that impact them,
And if you just put out one voice, you might
start to think, oh, all these Jewish students are getting harassed.
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You never hear from the Jewish students on the other
side who are saying, hey, we stand in solidarity with you.
We don't support what's happening over there. So Mike push
to young.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Young her out there today.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Thank you Angela for planning that sound bite. And that's
why Native Land exists because you will hear. And thank
you Nick, our producer, Nick, Thank you first show that
other side because you don't see it happen all the time.
And so my advice. First, I want to say kudos
to this young man at Google, and kudos to everybody
out there making their voices heard. Kudos to the people
at the Columbia Daily Spectator, the Young j School students there,
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you know jeln and Cobb dean of the Jay School
over there, who tweeted out if you're being denied access,
you know, DM me, I'll make sure the press has access.
Bear witness, tell your story, speak out. Don't be the
last person to speak out, you know, don't be the
last person when it becomes cool to say, oh, this
is a problem, like you have skin in the game,
and right now this machine that silences you, that says
(53:37):
you have a different point of view being run. But
we don't have time to get into it. But I
want people to look at net and Yahoo's cabinet. I
want you to look at the backgrounds of the people
that this man is empowered. Look at his own record,
the way he disrespected the United States during Obama's administration,
the way he disrespects President Biden to this day, the
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way that Israeli's are calling on his resignation. To Angelo's point,
we cannot conflate protest with anarchy or.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Or the Israeli government with Jewish the same thing.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It's so dangerous, it is so dangerous, it is so harmful.
We are not anti Semitic, because we are not going
to support that. The the white supremacist Israeli government like that.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
We have to make a.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Decision government correct. A man who had intelligence, by the way,
plenty of it prior to the seventh prior to could
have helped, could have prevented right what occurred on that day,
could have extracted even more hostages up to this point,
which is what the families are calling for. Bring our
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loved ones home. But he has assuaged. He's sidestepped bringing
home hostages so that he can continue to persecute, an
un unhumane war to annihilate a group of people, right,
he wants to extinguish. And what bothers me the most
is that folks are making no distinction between the terrorists
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of Hamas and the people of I said Palestinian authority before,
because that's the governing body, But of the people of
Palestine yet to be named, who are just living their lives,
or at least trying to Jose undressed in his group,
who had clearly labeled vehicles that they were there for
(55:35):
humanitarian purposes, who had coordinated their movements with the Israeli
Defense ministry, who had three vehicles systematically taken out in
innocent people who were just trying to feed starving people
in Gaza killed. Right, there's nothing which way around this way,
(55:57):
this word, in the way it is being persecuted, that
is right. And I'm so sick of people telling us
in anniversary and memorials, never again, never again, this never again,
for we shit idly by, never again what we watch
as such and such happens, never again. Well we're at
it again. We're at it again. And in this package,
(56:18):
we are sending a billion in an aid for the
people of Gaza and multiple.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Billions and weapons seventeen, multiple millions, and we thank you,
thank you making it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
It doesn't make sense, and I don't want your thoughts,
prayers and all that other stuff. And years later your
memos and memoirs that say, the biggest regret I have
was that we didn't do more to save innocent life.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
Yeah, and we know said that before.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Of course, isation happens. You know this is this is
how that happens. And I think you know this is
a conversation that we're going to can We know that
it's risky for us to talk about it, but we
know what's riskier is not being able to sleep at night,
being on the wrong side of history, knowing what it's
like to be an oppressed people. If we can stand
(57:12):
in solidarity with these folks to say, you know what,
not on our watch. We're going to talk about it
here every week if we can.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
And Angela, I know you're rapping, but I just we
also as Americans have to acknowledge what our documents are founding,
what we believe in our nerve, heart and sin you,
which is even if I don't agree with you, in
a democracy, I still have to stand and protect your
ability to say what it is that you think. And
(57:40):
simply because we disagree with each other, we want to
squash out free opinion, protest people's ability to peaceably assemble.
And I've got too many Jewish friends, too many who
I know to a fact would never ever, ever want
to look back and be reflected in history as having
(58:03):
stamped out free speech simply because we disagree.
Speaker 5 (58:09):
And just for this package, I just wanted to really
drive his point home because I think Andrew you said it,
but we kind of moved past it. This would be
this package in like aid to Gaza and then weapons.
It would be the equivalent of a foreign power sending
a million dollars in aid to the enslaved while sending
billions of weapons to the Confederacy. Come on, I think
(58:32):
you cannot save me and kill me at the same time.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
It's impossible, and I don't know how your moral compass
is telling you that's okay.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
So we and you can morally reject an assault on
innocent people which occurred in Israel and could have been
prevented by the horrible president, and at the same time
you can decry inhumane and unjust war practices and tactics
being waged against an innocent people.
Speaker 5 (59:02):
In fact, we.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Must we uh, we definitely stand with and insolidarity with
the students on these campuses, with the workers who just
want to be heard at Google.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
And we'll be right back after this break.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
There's a gospel. So I don't know who's saying it,
I'll fly away. Who did that? Was that haze Ky Walker?
Speaker 3 (59:34):
Now I don't know, but those movements were pretty hip
hop fish.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Oh it's too early, you know, it's two seconds.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
It was of the world.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
I remember there was a pastor that said, when you know, Kirk,
go Jesus, go Jesu, let's go.
Speaker 4 (59:48):
To pass that. How you gonna tell Jesus to go?
So there's always gonna be a reason for something.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
But in the meantime, I'm talking about flying away because
American is trying to restrict your ability to do just that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Can Airlines said, not on my watch.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
If you don't book on my app, called my customer service,
that you might not be able to get through.
Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
You ain't getting no miles, which y'all think about that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
First of all, I didn't know we were in the show.
I thought we were just.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Talking gospel song because that was a thinking about flying.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
And so you know how my brain works, I gotta
always harken back to a song gospel.
Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
It up about to make the audience suffering gospel. So
this is what I have to say about that. I
just got off an American Airlines flight, so it's very
apropos and timely. I'm so over these airlines. Okay, the
three largest carriers in the United States sponsorship. I love
(01:00:46):
American Airlines except for this really big problem I have
right now. Except for this tiny little problem American Airlines. No,
I think that the three largest carriers in the United
States have turned a profit. You know, there were things
that happened during COVID where you know airlines because they
mishandled and misappropriated funds before that that they found themselves
(01:01:08):
with their pants down during COVID, and so everything was
tight and you know, people, you could fly to California
for twenty two dollars, you know, right, But now the
I think Q two last year, the second quarter of
last year, the airlines said hey, yes, we are seeing
profits now. American Airlines specifically said that passenger revenue from
(01:01:33):
international travel alone rose twenty two percent, so they can
certainly afford. I think some of these points. It's like
the seats are getting smaller, the planes are falling apart,
everything twice trading so that they are regulated. What body right,
(01:01:55):
I know they've gone before Congress. The FAA regulates them.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That would be second Terry Pete, under Secretary. The perfect
transportation is that fat mayor Pete Secretary Pete. We got
a thing to say because the song said, I looked
it up. It definitely as a car walker, I will
be free one day I'll fly away. I would like to,
but I don't know if I'm being able to afford
these plane tickets, that's the thing. But they're saying, if
you can't get my anywhere, because sometimes I need to
(01:02:20):
use my mouth. Oh by the way, you guys, I
can't forgot to tell you no. Do you know somebody
hacked into my American Airlines count.
Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
And no thousands of miles.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So not only am I now not gonna get miles
potentially from these new trips I booked, but they literally
it was like three different people. I should name them
on this podcast, But how was.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
At first one.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I was literally not to book my god son a
ticket with my miles, and I was like, how.
Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Do I got I just want to say I apologize.
I needed to get the Turks and Caicos. I knew
Angela's American Airlines number and this was not you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I'm going to prove it. I'm going to pull this up.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
You know who did it because I looked it up
and then I just remember they told me I need
to file the police report.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
And now now you don't know these people. No, how
did they get to your.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
They had to tell my account somehow they had so
they changed, like my mileage number, you should, but they like,
send you Andrew.
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
This is so rude. It's not first world to need
your miles.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Oh yeah, when it's to fly your cousin across the
country wind.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It's not my cousin, it's my godson.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Because most of most of the godsons who ain't in
first world problems are taking Greyhound across the countin.
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
And that's a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Tell me the last time and tell you know what,
how long does it take to take the damn bus
from Tallahassee to LA Please tell me? Tell you when
the last time you was on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Listen, I said, First of all, I didn't say I
wouldn't in it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
For those of you who have empathy and can understand
what it's like to be stolen from you, guys know
I have person no beef and trauma around people close
to me being but not only that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Now it's the damn Rando's. I don't even know I'm
gonna name these people.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
There's so much commercial.
Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
I can't name the people. I don't know miles I know,
but I can say allegedly these people did.
Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
It, okay, never mind assent attorney out of the practice
in l A law. I don't know if you can
say that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
If you know you're about to get anyway, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
All I'm saying is, beginning in July, travelers will only
receive loyalty points and advantage miles if they book their
flights directly with American or what.
Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
If you're doing on an American Express, if you do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Now, hold on your that's that's right. But I don't
know about that answer. We gotta find the answer. But Andrew,
here's the thing. Here's the part that is first world.
You know how you can get your miles if you
book with a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Who's the preferred travel agency? So we need to see that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Is our person a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
I don't know, it's not us, it's not us, but
that is first world. I don't appreciate you calling me
get my mile stolen.
Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
First world.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I'm mad at you. Was already mad at you last
time about Katie. Now I'm mad at you about this,
and I apologize for showing out today.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I'm not apologiz.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
The funny thing is that you apologizing to me for
going off of me. I'm like, you do it every
time we're tall.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That is at Andrew to tell him that's not true.
I don't be going off, no, brother, I normally am
on your side and I fight somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Else about the public. Okay, tell me, tell me, give
me an example.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
We're gonna move away acting like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
No no stories that that was unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Well, so is this lie you telling that was unnecessary?
And I said I never say fake news on this podcast.
Well we have it anyway. I'm mad about the airlines thing.
I don't like. The airlines got to do better, Like
we spend a lot of money with these airlines, and
we as you know, the people who patroon these airlines
(01:06:11):
because we have to. How else are we going to
get across the country. I think as customers we deserve
a little more regard and respect. Nobody is getting on Greyhound,
Nobody was light red bus?
Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
What that red bus?
Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
What is red bus?
Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
That's how the kids go home spring break? Every weekend.
They jump on the red bus. They got internet, they
go to Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Oh that sound that's like the fancy bus. I think
I have heard that New York bus.
Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
The Hampton Jitney.
Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Okay, well, either way, this conversation is over.
Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Remember air trans Now back to the real world.
Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Air train you can fly fifty dollars each way.
Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You know what's crazy you can make in front of
Spirit Airlines. I bet you they door and flowing offline.
Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Nowhere where I gotta fight you for seats?
Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
You got seats. You gotta fight the plane to pack
toilet paper?
Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Are you paid for a c You ain't pay for
no leg room.
Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Okay, So now we are gonna listen to comments.
Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
We don't have questions. We have two comments from Native
Lamppod's audience. We are going to start with Mark, Hello.
Speaker 9 (01:07:19):
Native lamb pod. My name is Mark Clemens' from Fairburg, Georgia,
originally from California. I'd like to address Kelsey Plum's statement
regarding the WNBA. She speaks about the w NBA and
the CBA. First off, there's really no collective bargaining to
be had there seeing that in twenty five years from
the inception of the WNBA, they've never turned a profit.
(01:07:43):
So if you want to be paid a fair salary,
then you're gonna have to generate income more than what
you're doing now. So what's needed. You need more people
watching your game. Without TV money, there's no way you're
going to add to the salaries. You need to think
about what could be done to add more people watching
(01:08:03):
your game instead of moaning and groaning about not being paid.
There's so many athletes that wish they were able to
go to a professional league where the WNBA is a
league for women. So Miss Kelsey Plumb, instead of whining,
let's come up with some ideas to create more people
watching your game that will add to TV money and
(01:08:25):
we'll add to your salaries. Thank you so much, have
great day.
Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
I have to say thank you first of all for
sending in that comment, I have to say, I find
it incredibly disrespectful, and I can't imagine that he would
talk to a woman that way, although I or a
man that way, I should say I do again, though,
I want to make sure that we invite these comments.
We appreciate it, and we invite people who disagree with us. So, sir,
I actually hear you right. So I hear your point.
(01:08:55):
You clearly disagreed with Kelsey Plumb, and perhaps some of
our words following it up. I do think you suggesting
that Kelsey Plump is whining about not earning a fair wage.
I do find that language a bit disrespectful. The WNBA
brings in just two hundred million dollars annually, and so
they do rely on the NBA for some of their funding.
(01:09:16):
I think this young woman was well within her right
to say that they just want to benefit from the
profit that they do bring in. I hear you that, yes,
we should all start watching. And I believe the TV
deals and rights are up in twenty twenty five, so
they're actually negotiating those now. And I hope that the
(01:09:38):
WNBA is being heavily considered given how much excitement was
generated around them. But I would invite you and just
ask you respectfully to watch how we talk to young people,
young women in particular, who are demanding to earn a
fair and equitable wage. I don't know that I would
call that whining with all this respect to you, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I got slightly less respect than Tiff. I'm working on it.
God's not through with me yet.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I would just say, as a as a factual matter,
that there actually is a collective bargaining agreement with the
w n b A and we can move on to
the next statement.
Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
But thank you, Marco.
Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Next time you'll consider weighing in uh and checking your
facts first.
Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Can I just say, where where do we ever blame?
Do we blame the flight attendants for the new policies
at American?
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Do we do we the baggage chandler for a delta
because they had to get stimulus money during coches?
Speaker 10 (01:10:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
All I'm saying is the people who see it at
the intersection of the impact are not always the ones
who are responsible for the cure. These women are getting
out there every single day, giving their heart, giving it all,
leaving it all on the core and because big moneyed
interests to back basketball decide to invest more in the camera,
(01:11:06):
and then the person carrying the camera, and then the
technology of the facility for men's basketball sports, And therefore
when you look at certain women's games, it looks like
a throwback to the high school, not because of skill,
but because they didn't invest in how the thing gets
recorded and projected, the dynamics of it. And we've come
to expect that that's all that is asinine, except for
(01:11:29):
the fact that we don't necessarily need to blame the
people with the grievance for the structures that they have inherited.
We don't blame the slave for slavery.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
But I'm gonna blame you for this podcast running over,
So we don't go to the I'm done.
Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I'm ov y, Mark, send me a better comment next time.
Delete my comment too, No, don't delete it. We go
keep it in there.
Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
Hey, Native lampod, I realized that I have the answer
to your question that you asked a couple of weeks ago.
What do we want our p s as to sound like?
What do we want our political ads?
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
That was the question, And.
Speaker 11 (01:12:05):
It occurred to me that the ones that have been
most effective are when we get those mailers and they
have the the side by side comparisons of here's a question,
and then this candidate believes in this, This candidate believes this, this,
this candidate believes this. Reading the data like that is
(01:12:25):
what has been most effective. That's what I would like
the p s as to be, Like, there's the answer.
Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Okay, gotta go.
Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
This is DONALDA from Florida the teacher.
Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Hi Andrew girl family, we can't ask questions already.
Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Turn out she was the bag.
Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
It look healthy and full. I want to know your
whole regime, girl tag looks like But let.
Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Me tell you all this.
Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I I theoretically like the approach. Think that works for
a graphics ad. I don't know how well that would
work visually speaking through those things. I'm a visual learner,
so auditor. Hearing those comparisons to auditor at least probably
challenging for me.
Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
No, but she's saying, as a mailer right on the.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Fly, most effective for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
She was saying, using the mailer model for a p
s A or a political ad either.
Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
I think if you do it in print or yeah,
but even if you did that and on social if
you did that as and as broadcasted ad I think
all of it works. I think for what she's saying, yeah,
just contrast. The problem is though, even that that that
opens people up to disinformation because you know people always say, oh,
(01:13:47):
this person uh supports you know, murdering babies. You know,
like people can can manipulate language and misinformation and disinformation
and start telling our folks to be like, site a source,
and when they cite the source, and that source be
like boo boo.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Toofood dot com. Yes you know it's not a reliable one.
We'll have TIV do a primer really soon on how
to know if a source it is a reliable primary
source or not, or if it came came for your
little cousin Rubu and them, are you heard, or.
Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Is some random video on YouTube? Like that's not a source.
I said that I can't remember if it was a
Native Land page or the other show across dinner reasons,
but I was saying, well, what are you talking about?
Can you site your source? And the young lady responded,
cite my source.
Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
This is Instagram, you said, And facts matter everywhere, darling.
Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
So to that point, because facts matter.
Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
And so does time, we are almost out of time today.
We will not end our show without having a call
to action segment, which of course is one of our favorites.
We do not like to talk without and leaving y'all
without anything to do.
Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
So I'm gonna defer my time to you, friend, because
mins long.
Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Okay, well, then I'm gonna take your time reclaiming your time.
I will say to you that we have received such
a wide and huge, loving response to our podcast about
Marilyn Moseby and what happened in her case. Since then,
we have been working diligently to figure out the best
(01:15:22):
ways to support Maryland. And one of the things that
became really really clear is that in order to ensure
that her case is heard from this administration, from the
Biden administration, is to ensure that we have a petition,
and so that petition is now live. Color of Change
has a platform called Organize for and you can find
(01:15:44):
Pardon for Mosby there.
Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
We will have a QR code on our page.
Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
We'll have links on our social pages as well as
in our podcast description for this episode, both on YouTube
for visuals and on audio on iHeart. And so we
hope that you will join us and signing that petition.
It is our honor, our greatest honor to host this
petition for our dear friend, a hero of ours and
someone whose legacy is all about righting the wrongs of
(01:16:10):
the criminal justice system, even some of the past from
the President himself. This gives them an opportunity to join
us in writing some of those wrongs and supporting Maryland
some of that incredible work, including the work she did
to stop prosecuting marijuana possession cases in Maryland. Testified, Yeah,
(01:16:31):
testified before the House and the Senate at Kamala Harris's
invitation on that robust and progressive policy. So if you're
standing on her shoulders to implement some of those policies,
perhaps you can stand with us and ensure that she's pardoned.
Maryland is facing forty years in prison. She is scheduled
to be sentenced on May twenty third, and we're hoping
(01:16:52):
that we can halt that by getting her pardoned as
she deserves.
Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
You're here.
Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
You shouldn't serve a single day day spending her money.
He literally did nothing. And now we'll just invite you
all to remember Andrew's testimony that he gave as a
mini pod, but also what he shared today that she
would be handcuffed. Cavity searched put in a maximum security
prison away from her two young daughters who she's raising,
(01:17:17):
and she stood on the front lines for us during
Freddie Gray and she said to young people, our time
is now, so to echo what Angel was saying, our
time is now to show up for Marylyn.
Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
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What's good, y'all?
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Welcome home like that?
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Across the tea, but don't cross the wad.
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I want to start someplace a little solemn today on
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the other side of losing Donald Payne Junior, who's an
elected member of Congress, who I love, one of my
forever CBC bosses.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
You left us too soon, and your legacy will be
a remember forever.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So everybody on today's episode, Louisiana is out here. Louisiana.
The State House just repealed a law that required child
workers to get d DA DA lunch breaks. Louisiana state
representative and owner of Smoothie King franchises says he proposed
the bill because children want to work without having to
(02:19):
take lunch breaks. Oh okay, So the President signed a
ninety five billion dollar for an aid package for Ukraine, Israel,
and Taiwan into law. It also included that major nationwide
TikTok band that they snuck into that package. And TikTok
has nine months, not nine minutes, has nine months to
(02:40):
respond and divest from its China based parent company. But
they said, hoh my beer. They want to sue first.
I guess all branches of government are busy this week
with tiff level say it with me, Tiff nonsense, nonsense,
because the Supreme Court hurt a case that could mean
major consequences for the unhoused on a national level. The
(03:04):
case comes out of Grant's Past, Oregon, where it's illegal
to sleep in public spaces. A Ninth Circuit court struck
down the law as unconstitutional, and now Scotus must decide
whether they can make it illegal to sleep outside if
they have a choice to be somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
And today the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
We'll hear arguments on presidential community criminal presidential immunity. While
the Court has already decided on civil immunity with Richard Nixon.
Donald Trump's legal argument would be to extend civil immunity
to criminal And of course there's no president for this,
because we only have had one thuggish, ruggish bone unprecedented president.
(03:45):
And yes, Trump has said unprecedented y'all we don't trust
the system, right right, Okay, Tiff is on the fences.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Okay, Okay, well I didn't know. I didn't get no, amen,
it's I.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Didn't want to.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I was waiting to see what the second part of
it was.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
But for the record, she was worried about she should be.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Okay, And then y'all think it's been hard on us? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yes, now, I said us.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So I just want to know when in the entire
hell us started including Donald Trump, because I'm pretty sure
he is them. But we're going to ask the blacks,
and guess what, that's us. We're the blacks. We are
that focus group. So y'all stay tuned for that very partial,
yet persuasive focus group. We'll also brag on some Trump
trial updates and what do Google more House, NYU, Columbia,
(04:35):
and Yale have in common? They rich, they tug, and
we have a very very important Justice for Marilyn Moseby update.
And you know it's not home if we don't hear
from the NLP fan so count on it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Let's go, Okay, Tiff and Andrews.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So this week, I know it's TIFF's favorite subject, but
we gotta go here.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
We you're talking Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
We are talking what has been named the hush money trial,
but is actually the falsifying business records in the first
degree trial.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
There have been some updates.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
From gag orders to David Pecker's testimony, and I think
that what's really important here is we've got a perspective
that you can't always.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Hear everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So I love for us to talk about briefly our
perspectives on this particular case and what's at stake.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I'll say a little more.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I'll say a little more.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, y'all were to sound. We all had no
sound from this trout. I ain't no sound from this trout.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
And I'll let you there was some sound. But I
don't think we need to plan on this show. But
I do like what Mitt Romney said when he came
out and spoke to cameras and said, I think we've
all gotten to see a testament of Donald Trump's character.
And you don't pay somebody one hundred thirty thousand dollars
to not have sex with you, to pay it here,
But I think that sums it up well.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's surprising that he paid the man. I mean that's
the one. This is the piece of Donald Trump's reputation.
Of course that Hillary Clinton pointed out several times. She
even went to New Jersey at one of his clothesed casinos,
because the man doesn't pay his bills. But in this instance,
first of all, last week we talked on the show
where he basically came out to cameras and said, Hey,
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I had a lawyer, look at it. I paid a lawyer.
They told me to write it down as a campaign,
you know, and so that's what that's what I did.
So he said, admitted to having done it. What I
found stunning was the admission by the National Inquirer, yes,
of how they just wholesale went out and made up
stories about Trump's opponents to elevate Donald Trump, diminish his opponents,
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and then stories where they have legit red meat dirt
on Donald Trump. They go out by the story kill
the story, a story that if put on the front
page of the National Inquirer, supported by an actual bonafide witness,
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could actually sell more papers. So, when they were asked
by the prosecutors, was it in your interest, your paper's
interest to kill the Trump story? The founder rightly said
mister Pecker, No, it was not in our interests. Which
is what goes to the heart of this case, which
is why we are seeing him in court in the
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first place, is that he used resources, could have bought
it himself, but he didn't. It would have been legal
for him to do himself, but he went through his lawyer.
They tried to off escape, they tried subterfuge, they tried secrecy,
they tried it all and now the man's been called
to the carpet and we'll just see if he's held accountable.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Well, I think a phrase that you hear a lot
in this trial is catch and kill, and so just
people understand what that is. That is when an entity,
an outlet, catches a story, assumingly buys a story, which
you know is an ethical in journalism. That's why people right,
and it's important to draw that distinction, right, because they
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will buy a story which when you pay somebody for something,
it automatically puts it to question in terms of credibility,
and then kill the story. And that's what happened here.
I think it's also important to note who reads the
National Inquirer. These were people who were more likely to
vote for Donald Trump. These are people who forgive the
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elitist nature of this comment, but these were people who
I dare say were not the most intellectually curious if
you're going to the National Inquirer for your news. And
this is how we hear from our latest star. Last
week we talked a bit about Stormy Daniels. This week
we're hearing another old name uh makes all these charges
and scandals, and that's Karen McDougal, the former Playboy model
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who says she had an afear with Trump in two
thousand and six, and this was her whole case. She
sued the American Media Inc. Which you know, David Pecker's company,
which owns National Inquirer, because they caught her story. They
bought her story, paid her I think one hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, and they were going to just do
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away with it. She agreed to this because they agreed
to then write, let her write columns, and let her
be a model, but of course they never published anything
for her. I think it's also interesting that she was
talking about while she was a side chick, she met
Malania Trump, met Donald Trump's kids, walked past Baron's bedroom
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and the weird stuff that she said. He said to her.
He talked about how much he loves Ivanka and how
beautiful she is, and he would tell her that she's
beautiful like his dog. This weird, crazy, creepy stuff, and
so to me, regardless of the outcome of this case,
it really does put before the American people. This is
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the kind of person that seventy five million, mostly white
people are voting for because he allows them the freedom
to say the quiet part out loud. He allows them
to freedom to hold mostly white power and white control.
As the demographics of this country change, they would rather
see it burned to ashes before they saw power equally
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distributed among the American body politic, which is a patchwork
of all types of people, from all types of socio
economic backgrounds, all types of hues. And it's sad to see. Really,
I know, Angela, I'll go ahead, No, go ahead, Andrew.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So Tiff. At least, at least none of us are
confused about why it is they keep showing up for
this man. This is yes, changing demographics, This is about power,
and I just think none of us should ever forget
what's at game here, even the ability for a man
to be able to talk to a owner of a paper,
get a story.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Keelled, how about that?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Get other stories that are not fact based whatsoever? Put
in the cycle. And the one thing about you know,
tabloids or tabloids, but some tabloids end up entering into
mainstream media. They may be the first one to go
that way, but they're the ones that make it a
public conversation that then others can then riff from. And
that's the power that this man had, and and Trump
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zeroed in on it and took it for a ride.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Inside Edition said we were the outlet that everybody made
fun of, and then the cable news outlets became.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Lord, how about that? So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
So David Pecker, as Tiff described, talked about this twenty
fifteen arrangement he had with Donald Trump. But more over,
which you just said, Tiff, which I think is really
important to our listening audience, is Donald Trump has had
the ability to say the quiet part out loud. However,
in this instance, in this trial, he has been reprimanded
for ten instances of violating the order. Turns out the
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gag is up and he might not be able to
keep talking as he has been talking.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
But on this since he's walked around immune.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
We know that at the center of this trial really
is the intersection of white privilege and wealth privilege. And
Donald Trump has escaped liability, escaped culpability because he's been
able to pay his way out of everything. And so
now whether or not he'll be able to continue the
end that privilege is before the Supreme Court of the
United States as they hear oral arguments in the presidential
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immunity case.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Why is this different?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
His defense team is referencing Richard Nixon versus Fitzgerald, where
the Supreme Court ruled that a president is entitled to
civil immunity from litigation.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
What they've never.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Had to decide upon, as I said in our rundown,
is whether or not presidents are immune from criminal liability.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
And that is what is at play here.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Donald Trump is saying that that immunity should apply to
his criminal conduct. How do y'all think the Supreme Court
is going to rule on this? They're just hearing oral arguments.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
We know we won't hear this until likely around June
or July, But how do y'all think that they're gonna
be SciTE on this?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
I have a question when you the law says that
a president is immune from civil immunity, what does that
mean exactly? That means that somebody cannot privately sue the
president while he's in office. That's right, Sonny, acts done
while he was in office, got it? So any suits
that existed before they took office would persist, and any
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suits that happen after it just can't be okay. So then,
or I was gonna say, because Donald Trump was doing
all kinds of things while he was in office, I
was going to say, in the private sector, his children
the first year they were in office at Vanka and Jared,
I think made over eighty million dollars. I think that
first year.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So I wonder I think part of the distinction Tiff
and Angela, correct me if I'm wrong. I think part
of the distinction is is while you may be immune
from civil lawsuit while you serve as president for actions
that you take in the interests of the presidency thereby
the American people.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So acts that you.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Take that are individual. And this is the line this
man is trying to draw, right, Well, he's not trying
to draw the line at all. He's saying, basically, as
I am president, I'm a king. I'm immune regardless of
what I've done, whether it is in the interest or
in pursuit of my job as president, or whether it's
in my individual Donald Trump croning, crooning, whatever capacity is
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the what is that stake right now with the court,
And I think it's It would even be a question
if this were civil. Matter has got to be whether
or not a president can be held responsible for acts
that are not consistent with his duties as a president
while he is serving as president.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
And official of official action.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
In this, man is basically saying, if I'm president is
official by right of title, anything I do is all right.
And the court, if the court goes that way we
said this before. If he goes out and he kills
his political enemy and then says I'm president and therefore
it must be legal this they have to take this
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to the logical extreme possibilities, and nowhere on planet Earth
could it be true except in Russia with Putin? Can
you kill your political enemy and never face a consequence
for it because you happen to be the president?
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Him saying like, because I'm president, whatever I do is legal.
This is definitely very reminiscent of Nixon, and it reminds
me of that infamous interview with Nixon and David Frost
where he's like, look, I'm the president, so whatever I did,
I think the scary thing that we collectively, no matter
what side of the divide you fall on here, this
is such a dangerous case, you know, because if the
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Supreme Court of Scotus rules, if they affirm Trump's claims,
they will literally upset the separation of powers and usher
in this regime of lawlessness. Right, this is an existential
threat to America. And if that happens, this is not
what the framers intended. So for all the patriots out
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there who love to draw up the founding fathers that
they think were these magical people, there is no case
that supports Trump's arguments that he's just immused. It's just unreal.
So you are unraveling uh centuries of American democracy, which
I think would cast a really dark shadow over the
rest of the globe. The symbolism of America is important
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for world order. If that falls, I shudder to see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Tip to your point, You're like, there there is no case.
There really is no case, like the idea, there's nothing
for them to harken back to, because there was a
point in time in this country, not long ago, where
even a tan suit was criminal in the in the
old way, you know what I mean. But there is
there is this this double, this triple, this quadruple standard
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where you can escape just because you're highly popular. You
can escape because of your celebrity. You can escape because
of the number of people who live in their fear,
who aspire to be like you. And this is the
indeed the problem. I am terrified about whether or not
this Supreme Court, the makeup of this Supreme Court, can
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remember that their obligation is to interpret the Constitution and
its intent for this country, not to protect this flamethrower.
You know, like your your obligation is not to protect
this reckless human being who will single handedly. And I
should stop saying that because I know better. I believe
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what Harry Reid said when he said this was the
Republican Party's freak, itsign, not single handedly, but as a result,
it is building destroyed democracy.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
And hard.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It's so hard every time I talk about the destruction
of democracy, because I know that this very broken system
hasn't served us, but it is the one we have.
It is the one that we have the ability to
repair unless we listen to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Look, why do you have to lose? You're living in poverty,
your schools are no good, you have no jobs.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Fifty eight percent of your youth is unemployed.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
What the hell do you have to lose?
Speaker 7 (18:50):
The black people are so much on my side now
because they see what's happening to me happens to them.
The mugshot. We've all seen the mugshot. And you know
who embraced it more than anybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Else, the black population.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
It's incredible. You see black people walking around with my
mouth shut. I'm being indicted for you, the black population.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Chow wow.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I remember when he said the first part. I'll get
to secondbout it in a minute, but the first part
where he's going down this list of what he considers
to be the eels that the black community in this
country were facing. This is back in twenty sixteen, these
campaign against Hillary. I don't remember the judgment Animus venom
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that was in his voice when he was giving that
This wasn't a person listing issues and solidarity with a plight.
This was a man from a Pejorada's standpoint, calling out
all the things that they say in their quiet places
about black folk. He's at a rally saying, y'all stink.
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You sit on the corner and you wait for the bus,
you go to the groceryes. So what a plastic people
had wrap on your head?
Speaker 8 (20:03):
You do?
Speaker 9 (20:03):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
He's going down all of the judgments that are made
by his folks and basically saying, you live in shit
and squalor what the hell else do you have to
lose by electing me? This was when usually people go
down a laundry list. It is in solidarity with no
one should have to face this. That ain't what he
did there. And I just picked it up listening at
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that clip. I knew it was wrong from the moment
I heard it. But yeah, but the animus and the
venomous didn't come through quite the way that it did
just there. And then just one last point and I'll
give it up, which is to say, for those who
may think, why would you hold a president immune in
any at any point because they were president, let's just
understand that the law is based in something the president
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is based in something real, which is you wouldn't want
a President Obama being sued by a bunch of different
states or senators or Donald Trump's or whomever because he
decided to pull troops out of Iraq. That is an
official act of the presidency. He is the commander in chief.
He executed that, but by doing so, maybe there were
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some other consequences that fell from it. You don't want
a president being wrapped up and having a second thought,
second think every judgment decision they make as the executive
of the President of the United States, acting in fear
or trepidation because he may be sued while he's still president.
Those are called official acts, right. What he's trying to
do is extend this definition of official acts to say
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anything that I do, any conduct that I have while
I'm President of the United States, I'm immune from it.
That ain't never been the law. And that is the
question that is before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
That is the question that is before the Supreme Court.
But the question is before us. The Blacks have convened
their focus group is whether this is relatable to us,
not just what in the hell do we have to lose.
We know how much is on the line, we know
we're threatened, but with it every time we walk out
the door. But then he says that, like we're walking
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around with his mugshot on. And then there are black
folks who have used their platforms they shall not be
named on this here podcast, but have used their platforms
at talking amongst families, saying that this is in fact relatable,
that we do know what it's like to be testing
and tried by the system, that it is reminiscent of
the government going after folks like they did doctor King
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and Malcolm X. I am looking around, like where sway
and how sway? Because what I know is that this
same trial that we were just talking about, Like, what
happens if we violate a gago to y'all, we get
held in criminal contempt of court? What happens if we
pay off someone to do if we even have the
resources to pay off someone to not run a story
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about us, What happens we already talked about tansuit, happens
if we wear a tan suit? Or what happens if
we get mad and say, for the first time in
my adult life, I'm proud of my country Michelle in
two thousand and eight, Right, like, let's be very clear
about the fact that there are not a whole lot
of parallels here. The fact that you can speak to
our plight, as Andrew said, with disdain, does not make
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you one of us. It does not make you us.
The system is not trying you. You're actually abusing the system.
Who among us could stand ten toes down with eighty
eight indictments and get three.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Discways for president and nominee again of one of two
major parties.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Tiff is swermy wormy, So I want to hear what's
on her.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
I'll be brief because I want us to get off Trump,
as you know, But I would just say Donald Trump
says Asen nine things all the time, and it's I
often said trying to cover him when he was in
office was like trying to catch confetti, because there was
some new stupid thing that he would put in the
atmosphere every day, be it tweet or you know, some
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press conference he would hold. The disappointing part of this
is I think the lowest common denominator among us echoing
this message. And Angelae you said family talk, but the
thing is this was not family talk. This was somebody
going outside of family carrying the water for this half
witted politically inept president and carrying this message to people.
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And I don't believe the people who say this would
ever say that to family. I think you say something
like that to get the adoration of white people, to
get the Ada boy from white people, and it just
I think makes people who are out there saying these
ignorant things. It makes you look like the small person
that you are. And I don't even mean in height
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or stature, I mean in intellect and intelligence. And I
expect ignorance from some people. I'm not remotely interested in
somebody's political opinions on a large platform. You're tax paying citizen,
You have a right to vote, and you have a
right to your opinion. I just don't really care about it.
The disappointment I feel is when members of the media
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elevate certain voices who really have no business weighing in
on such things. And I think that only happens within
our community. I can't remember somebody asking a white sports
commentator to weigh in on foreign policy or domestic policy,
and it just drives me a little nuts. So I
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would just challenge the media, maybe do a little background
and consider who you're putting out there, and if you're
finding somebody that makes white people comfortable, then you're probably
you have the wrong voice.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
If I take slight departure and I hear where you're
coming from, just on this piece around the resonance of
a mugshot and his tangling with the criminal justice system,
of the justice system so publicly in the way that
he has of late, and what residents that may have
with some black folk. Some of the names that we're
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not going to check. Some of the black folks Angela
you're alluding to who have given audience to this, who've
echoed this belief that he know us a little better
because he's gone through what we've gone through, are legit folks.
And I don't think they're just making it up. I
think they think that man, seeing this guy go through
this kind of lets them see out loud that white
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people go through it too.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Let's be clear, first of all, white folks have always
been entangled in the criminal justice system. They pre existed us.
We were property they you know, So that part is
not new. What is new here is obviously the way
he's trying to play us. I get that it would
be nice and relatable to have a president who has
some shared experiences, but let's not get it twisted. Trump
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does not share our experience in any way, shape or
form as it relates to how black people encounter the
criminal justice system and how powerful white men I e.
Donald Trump, encounter this system. And I feel this personally
because I've been there when I was accused and guided
and I had to surrender myself to the government a
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day I will never forget, one that will live in
infamy for me. I showed up, and first things first
is I had to take a mug shot. When Donald
Trump showed up in New York for Alvin Bragg. There
was a fingerprint he was handed his indictment, but there
was never a mug shot. The next thing that I
had to do was I got handcuffed not only by
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my wrists, but then by a chain running down to
my waist, and then a chain around my waist, and
from my waist a chain going down to both my
left and my right foot with two more handcuffs, and
I had to walk at the distance of a baby's
legs with because that's how constrained I was. Right, So
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Donald Trump didn't have a handcuff on him. Let's get
that correct, and hadn't had one in any of the
surrendering that he's had to do around any of these cases.
When I was accused, I lost a bank, I lost
American Express and four credit cards associated with him with
a near eight hundred credit score. While Donald Trump, who
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isn't just a que but was found responsible liable five
hundred plus million dollars, he got to pay and he
didn't lose nothing. He went and got two hundred almost
two hundred million dollars secured to back him up. So
while he goes through appeal, right, that didn't happen for us,
didn't happen for me. I lost it, Yet this man
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so so for money he legitimately owes. I was just accused. Right,
we beat their asses, and in his case, I think
he's going down. My only point here is, do not
get it twisted just because the man is purping like
he has a relationship and understands our plight. One, you
misunderstand us. One because all of us don't have that
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lived experience. Number Two, you misunderstand us, and actually you're
not trying to understand us, because this is never about
a system. It's always about Donald Trump. This is not
about how people are treated in the criminal justice system.
This is about how Donald Trump is being treated in
the criminal justice system. His level of privilege, no matter
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how why he is, is not privileged that I would
believe is extended to all white folks. It is extended
to him at his level of power and influence. And
his grievance is only with the way he's being treated.
He is not dismantling a system for the corruption of
a system. He wants to dismantle a system, but because
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of the way in which he has been treated in
that system, not because how you and I fare in
that system. He can't even dream of how to relate
to a criminal justice system that treats him the way
it treats us.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, you know, it's a word.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
It is such a word. And Andrew, I thank you
for your vulnerability and sharing it. I think that it
has been a point of privilege for us to have
you free.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Some started. He's getting some started.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But like it didn't have it didn't have to be
that way.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Like the thing that is so alarming and unnerving about
what he's saying is it literally is a slap in
the face for everyone who is fighting with everything they have,
with every dime they have with every ounce of energy
they have as they contemplate whether they should be here
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or not. That is a completely different battle that he
has never faced, that he has no idea about. So
any moment, in any moment where we are, you know,
kind of confused, Like something that he's saying sounds right,
the unjust system sounds right.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It rings true to me. I want you to take.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
A moment to tap in with someone who has experienced
the other side of the criminal justice system and ask
them what their journey was like, because it didn't look
like his.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That is the part for me.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
And as much as like I'm tired of talking about
him too, Tim, I think that we have an.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Obligation to our people to just take a beat.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sometimes and remind us all why what he says is
so triggering, why it is both infuriating because we know
what he means and what our experience is and how
he's using it to juxtapose it against and lean up
against our actual struggle fake in the face of a
fake foe struggle, Like how dare you use what our
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people have been through, how they've sacrificed their lives for righteousness,
for justice and throw that in our faces as you
are like able to just escape scott free all the time,
you know, like that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Is the part for me.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And so I just want to tap in with my
brother for a minute to say I am so glad
that you leaned on faith and you leaned into courage
and you were able to take this on and you
were successful. That is not always our testimony, you know,
it is one in a million, Andrew like, normally the
(32:06):
FEDS prosecute, the FEDS win, They bank on that and
even when it is false, when it is wrongful, and
Donald Trump is not, you don't get eighty eight indictments
wrong at every level of government.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That just don't happen.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
Well, can I just tap in on something because I
hear you Angela about talking about Trump. I just think
you know what we get to do here is have
a different lens that you don't hear on cable news.
But we are also overlooking news. You know, there was
a piece in the New York Times this morning right
on target what we're talking about about the disproportionate number
of botched executions that impact black men directly. This man
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is not worried. Donald Trump is not worried about that
is not his life. That's not his testimony. Andrew, your
testimony is harrowing, for sure. There's also testimony of people
who had swat crashed through their house, break open their windows,
harm their children from their mothers, their daughter, the you know,
red dog police teams in Atlanta, and with what they did,
and then the name of justice of targeting parents who
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lost children. That is what our criminal justice system looks like.
So I just challenged the media at large to not
turn this into a reality show with wall to wall
coverage while overlooking things that can still speak to these issues,
but don't give him the attention that he soul craves
and desires.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
And the media ain't interested in that larger narrative that
we're talking about, right they.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
That's why Native landa.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Donald Trump ain't here for it either. And that's why
we have to as as as gut wrenching and mind
numbing it is to have to talk about this guy.
It's important because the story, if we allowed his story
and his his his his embrace of us to go
unchallenged just because it has a resemblance a very a
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very shadowy resemblance. Because you threw criminal justice out there
in a mugshot that somehow you understand this thing, and
your point is well taken to the story. The harrowing
experiences of people go so deep, so many places within
our community with regards to our confrontation with law and
justice and our mistrust of it. That this like again,
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just just know this man ain't he ain't even not
on the page. He ain't in the book. He's not
in the book we're reading.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Well now, we just spend so much time on him.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
To take a break, you know, y'all we got bills
to pay because, unlike Donald Trump, we can't escape this.
(34:50):
All right, Well, after much debate, we've decided that you're
also going to ban TikTok from our episode today. We
don't have enough time. Well, we're gonna talk about it,
and said, is HB to use? They don't always get
enough coverage?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And you are right, brother, I'm good.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
You know you always always have children.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I love my niece and nephews, but Jesus always keeping.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
My brother sick.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Joe Biden was invited to deliver the commencement speech at
Morehouse College and it is being met with mixed reviews.
Speaker 6 (35:22):
The timing is bad, I mean it would almost be
like inviting Linda Johnson to come and speak at Morehouse
at the height of the Vietnam War.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Mitchell is a civil rights attorney with the Council on
American Islamic Relations and is himself Muslim. He graduated from
Morehouse in two thousand and nine. Until speaking out against
justice is woven into the fabric of the Storage.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
School, I do expect that there will be a vocal
outcry about this, But I do think in the spirit
of more House in the history moreuse, it will be respectful,
It'll be intelligent, it will be affected.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
We wouldn't expect anything less. But y'all, this is it
is interesting timing. And the most students, folks on the
faculty and alums have something to say about Joe Biden
delivering the commencement speech in the middle of what's happening
in Gaza.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Well, I think this is clearly a campaign ploy. I
think they are paying attention to. I believe the false
media narrative that Joe Biden is losing support among black men.
And I wonder if more House invited the President or
if the President offered Hiden.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
In September, but he just he just said yes.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Which is but we don't think anybody from the well,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't eve want
to speculate.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I got an experience of what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
I hear you right right, I mean I think you
know it benefits him, just for our listeners who may
not be as familiar with Morehouse. I mean, this is
very much is like the Ivy League of HBCU's previous speakers.
Wes Moore was a commencement speaker for black Governor of Maryland.
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Raphael Warnock is a previous commencement speaker. We all remember
when billionaire Robert Smith was the commencement speaker and paid
off everybody loans. Yes, yes, President Obama spoke there in
twenty thirteen. So the young men who attend Morehouse College
are some of the best and the brightest. And that
some names you would know, Bacari Sellers, Mark Lamont Hill,
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our friend Albert Sanders, he hates when I talk about him,
but I'll just say he went to Morehouse and Sirmichael Singleton, Republican.
You see him there. So they have a very Distinguishedst.
Martin Luther King of course went to Morehouse so I'll
be interested in hearing how President Biden connects with the students.
I think he has to be aware that it will
not be a completely warm reception. I think we can
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expect anticipat seeing protests, and I wonder how those protests
will show up during his remarks. But this is something
that I have to say. We try to tell you
you cannot convince an oppressed people that other people are
not being oppressed. We are the best at recognizing it,
and so I I just I wonder what their plan is,
(38:08):
because this bridge is their domestic policy and foreign policy
that very few people support. I don't know. Angela is
so disgusted by it that she is slapping herself with
a face. She can't take it.
Speaker 4 (38:20):
You emagine on my lip you didn't see that. It
was like a little fruit flap, like what the hell?
And it's like sticky.
Speaker 5 (38:26):
I know that feel. I had that feeling when you
wearing them juicy tubes and you're like, what is laying
on my lip? I don't like is that that pete sparkles.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's just best to ignore it when it happens. Just
literally not talking about that. I'm talking about when when
does what it does just be like, no, that didn't
go in.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
There Ala this guy. So she was like this looks up.
She was beating herself in the base like Angela is passionate.
Please Angela, you say your remarks on this moral thing.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Tiffany, I think I agree. He's lucky that this is
morehouse in this since I think I think this will
be a very organized If there's a protest, it will
be it will be incredibly respectful. And I'll just say
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I I think it will be a one reception overall
for him here because I think, yeah, because largely they're
going to talk about issues that confront black folks written
large and I think the White House probably didn't deeply
contemplate how international affairs might intersect with this visit. But
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but but we know that it will. Speaking of people
who invited themselves, when I was stud by President fam
you Jeff Bush invited himself. Isn't known it is it
was said he was invited to be Famuse commencement speaker,
and no, the real story was he invited himself. Had
the president it would have been my graduation and of
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course hail No, it wasn't innounced that student body president
that if Jeb Bush accepted the invitation to be Famus
commencement speaker, that the students of FAM you and the
grad led by the graduates would stand up, turn our
backs and walk out on him. It would have been hell.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Is he didn't he.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Just drop off the face of the earth.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I mean, as far as I can, he could fall
all the way off the earth. In that case, all
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Is he means figuratively. For those of you that might
think that that's yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, he just you know, it all works. But but
I think they they have not really, in my opinion,
fully appreciated how deep this this this divide is in
America generationally, particularly as a relation to the the Israeli
UH and Palestinian conflict. The folks here, young, Jewish, non Jewish, black, white,
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everything in between. They they know right from wrong. And
when they see children, women, family spokes who did not
wage war, would not want for war. They just happen
to live in a war zone and are and are
living through that under the hostageship of Hamas every single
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day in and outside of conflict with with with with
Israel for them to pay the price for the actions
of terrorists to the tune of some thirty plus thousand.
Now there's no humanity in that. That's right, and this
and this generation of folks is that they're like democrat,
(41:43):
I don't care who you are. Wrong's wrong, and we're
not down for this. Something's got to happen, something's got
to change.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
And it's I mean everywhere.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
So, speaking of respectful and peaceful protests, students are speaking
of and they are loud, and they are clear. They
are not just online, they are on campus, you know,
speaking of respectful protests. What we know is the students
have something to say, especially on what's happening in Gaza.
There are it's not just more house. It's not just
on TikTok there's about to be banned potentially. It's not
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just on social it's all over campuses throughout this country.
What's really been in the media lately are Columbia, mostly Yale, NYU, MIT,
University of Michigan, California State, Berkeley, and many others. And
what I think is so important is that folks are
kind of talking about this like student protests are.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
In a vacuum. They've been largely peaceful.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Of course, There's been some conflicts, some folks on extreme
sides of the issue, but this is not new. Students
have been protesting on college campuses since the beginning of time.
Andrew just referenced his time as Student Government Association president
at FAMU. What he didn't say is he also was
protesting in the governor's office while at fam You.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Angeline, what's your best one? I ran for SJA president.
My opponent said, this is college. If gillim WINZ all
he gonna do is have us protesting. We're supposed to
have fun here too. It turns out you lost, you lost.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
And on that they said, no, we're gonna use our
voices in the Student Activity Activities Fee to get what
we want. The Greensboro sit in in North Carolina A
and T Alabama State University back in the day at
Kent State students who protested the Vietnam War at FISK
in nineteen twenty five, they were students were protesting and
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it ended in police entering their dorms and they were
you know, it's there are also some violent ends.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
To this BLM.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
We've seen women's rights, we've seen gun rights, we've seen
or gun.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Control, climate change, anti apartheid.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
This has happened since the beginning of time, and testing
was at one point our right, and now students are
facing some very different kinds of threats, suspension, and a
lot of other things.
Speaker 11 (44:10):
I empathize with individuals who feel uncomfortable with certain rhetoric, but.
Speaker 9 (44:15):
I remind you that we live in a country and
we go to attending university that extremely values free speech,
open dialogue and.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Rhetoric, and I would encourage.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Everyone to listen to a variety of perspectives and to
analyze what it means to.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
Not like something or disagree with something, versus to actively
be in a position of being unsafe.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
You know what I think is so important about this
is what has often missed in narratives that I've read,
is the fact that this is a protest and a
moment and a movement really of solidarity between Jewish and
Palestinian people. What you see in that clip and hearing
(45:01):
that clip is a young woman, a young Jewish woman
on campus who's saying, I understand the inflammatory rhetoric. What
I'm talking about is our First Amendment right to peacefully assemble,
and that can include protest for whatever reason. What is
starting to happen now, and y'all have seen this is
anarchy is being conflated with anti Semitism, is being conflated
(45:25):
with protests, and I want to talk really about the
dangers of those things and how they are all separate.
If this young sister could stand here and say I'm
standing in solidarity with this because not on my watch,
why does her voice not matter? Is she herself an
anti Semite for standing with folks who are saying I
don't want to see innocent children and people killed because
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of what Hamas has done in Israel and Gayza.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Right, and Hamas again a terrorist organization by the United
States who has overthrown pretty much the power of the
Palestinian authority, which is the actual governing body and leadership
over the Palestinian territory. Hamas a terrorist group who obviously
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undertook those horrific murders and attack on Israel, which none
of us, not even the protesters at least, none of
the ones I've heard from and that I know, would
condone this is Angela. I'm so glad you're My big
frustration here is that it seems, if you are protesting
in humanity or war, that somehow that makes you anti
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a group of people based off of their religion, the
color of their skin, their nation of ancestral or heritage.
It would be one thing if you were saying I
hate Israel and I hate Jews. That is antisemitic, that
is hateful, that is racis that is wrong. It is
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another thing to say that you hate war or you
hate war and the consequences that are right now being
had havocked over the people, the innocent lives and the
Palestinian authority in Palestine. I don't mind referring to it
is that, even though it is not yet recognized, it
(47:23):
is fine in my opinion to be for in fact,
every one of us should be abhorring that kind of
loss of life, every single one of us. This is
what Governor DeSantis and Florida had to say the inmates
run the asylum, criticizing pro Palestinian protests happening on college
campuses in the state of Florida. He goes further to
(47:46):
say students should be expelled for protests and if you
are at a university here in the United States on
a visa, that visa should be canceled by the government.
If you participate in protests. So just a quick note
for the governor and those who think like him. First
Amendment of the United States Congress shall make no laws
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respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,
or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press,
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and
to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I
know that was boring text, but that is the Constitution
of the United States, the First Amendment. These people don't
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even believe in the First Amendment when it runs county,
so when it runs counter to what it is that
they believe. And for y'all who keep talking smack trash
about protests interrupting your lives, if it ain't interrupting your lives,
it is likely not protests.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, I think it's important for us to understand. Beyond
the college protests, there are also folks inside organizations, big
organizations like Google that also have taken history issue with
what's happening in Gaza. Some employees have protested an Israeli
contract of Google, and Google responded by terminating those who protested.
(49:14):
It's now more than fifty people who have been fired.
They're saying that Google is quote no place for politics,
gonna fool me.
Speaker 12 (49:25):
I was fired about a month ago.
Speaker 5 (49:27):
This is Eddie Hatfield. He lost his job last month
after disrupting an Israeli tech conference that Google sponsored and.
Speaker 8 (49:34):
I refuse to build technology that powers genocide. It was
sickening to see Google's name all over the walls of
that room while speakers come up and use genocidal, violent
language to refer to Palestinians. That room is a place
where they're making decisions about how this technology gets used,
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but not everyone who's affected by those decisions is get
let's to have a voice in that room, that being
the people being bombed.
Speaker 12 (50:02):
By AI systems in Gaza, people moving between checkpoints in
the West Bank and beyond. When when this technology eventually
gets exported.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
All over the world.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, so I don't I think that we really are
at this interesting crossroads where and you know those moments
like when Congressman Barbara Lee was on the House floor
and she was the lull like the loan.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
We were just.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
Talking about that, you know, we were waiting, Yeah, we
were just talking about the courage of Barbara.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Oh yeah, like saying this is not the war and
then come to find out people are like what happens
in mass destrection?
Speaker 4 (50:38):
Where are they?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
You don't want to find yourself on the wrong side
of history. There are are student protests again from the
beginning of time, trying to ensure that we never betray
our moral compass in this country. Where will we stand
even in tough times? Where where were we stand on courage?
Where we stand when we see what what folks are
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up with against? You know, these young people dying, these
innocent people dying, starving, can't make it to hospitals, don't
know how they're going to see their next where they're
going to see their next meal?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
Like this is a really I don't know. I think
that the way that this is.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Being handled, both in corporate and on college campuses is
just wrong.
Speaker 5 (51:19):
But the root of the problem is is our foreign policy.
You know, what we are seeing take place in Gaza
is collective punishment. You know, it is hard for you
to try to convince me it's not. That is an
international war crime. Mark Lamont Hill have to give it
to them. He did an amazing interview on Al Jazeera
where he was really cornering government officials saying, but you
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are punishing all these people. We've seen grandmothers, grandmother's with
their hands up like this, shot dead. We've seen children
and starving, a mother holding her two year old. Biden said,
if they kill Americans, then we have an issue. Well,
they've killed Americans. We have crossed that red line at
this point. And I don't think American life is any
(52:01):
more valuable than Palestinian life. We are seeing murder. We
are seeing murder, and we have to start calling it
what it is. And I see time and again on
media interviews with a lot of young Jewish students who
are on another side of the divide and saying, yes,
it is anti Semitism, and we're, you know, on the
receiving end of this, And my thought is I get
(52:21):
so angry you got I mean really to the point
where it crushes my mental health for today, where I
find myself consumed by it, because I want to shout
where the are the Palestinian students who are harassed every day,
the Muslims who are harassed, the policies that impact them,
And if you just put out one voice, you might
start to think, oh, all these Jewish students are getting harassed.
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You never hear from the Jewish students on the other
side who are saying, hey, we stand in solidarity with you.
We don't support what's happening over there. So Mike push
to young.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
Young her out there today.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
Thank you Angela for planning that sound bite. And that's
why Native Land exists because you will hear. And thank
you Nick, our producer, Nick, Thank you first show that
other side because you don't see it happen all the time.
And so my advice. First, I want to say kudos
to this young man at Google, and kudos to everybody
out there making their voices heard. Kudos to the people
at the Columbia Daily Spectator, the Young j School students there,
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you know jeln and Cobb dean of the Jay School
over there, who tweeted out if you're being denied access,
you know, DM me, I'll make sure the press has access.
Bear witness, tell your story, speak out. Don't be the
last person to speak out, you know, don't be the
last person when it becomes cool to say, oh, this
is a problem, like you have skin in the game,
and right now this machine that silences you, that says
(53:37):
you have a different point of view being run. But
we don't have time to get into it. But I
want people to look at net and Yahoo's cabinet. I
want you to look at the backgrounds of the people
that this man is empowered. Look at his own record,
the way he disrespected the United States during Obama's administration,
the way he disrespects President Biden to this day, the
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way that Israeli's are calling on his resignation. To Angelo's point,
we cannot conflate protest with anarchy or.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Or the Israeli government with Jewish the same thing.
Speaker 5 (54:12):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It's so dangerous, it is so dangerous, it is so harmful.
We are not anti Semitic, because we are not going
to support that. The the white supremacist Israeli government like that.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
We have to make a.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Decision government correct. A man who had intelligence, by the way,
plenty of it prior to the seventh prior to could
have helped, could have prevented right what occurred on that day,
could have extracted even more hostages up to this point,
which is what the families are calling for. Bring our
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loved ones home. But he has assuaged. He's sidestepped bringing
home hostages so that he can continue to persecute, an
un unhumane war to annihilate a group of people, right,
he wants to extinguish. And what bothers me the most
is that folks are making no distinction between the terrorists
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of Hamas and the people of I said Palestinian authority before,
because that's the governing body, But of the people of
Palestine yet to be named, who are just living their lives,
or at least trying to Jose undressed in his group,
who had clearly labeled vehicles that they were there for
(55:35):
humanitarian purposes, who had coordinated their movements with the Israeli
Defense ministry, who had three vehicles systematically taken out in
innocent people who were just trying to feed starving people
in Gaza killed. Right, there's nothing which way around this way,
(55:57):
this word, in the way it is being persecuted, that
is right. And I'm so sick of people telling us
in anniversary and memorials, never again, never again, this never again,
for we shit idly by, never again what we watch
as such and such happens, never again. Well we're at
it again. We're at it again. And in this package,
(56:18):
we are sending a billion in an aid for the
people of Gaza and multiple.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Billions and weapons seventeen, multiple millions, and we thank you,
thank you making it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (56:33):
It doesn't make sense, and I don't want your thoughts,
prayers and all that other stuff. And years later your
memos and memoirs that say, the biggest regret I have
was that we didn't do more to save innocent life.
Speaker 5 (56:48):
Yeah, and we know said that before.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Of course, isation happens. You know this is this is
how that happens. And I think you know this is
a conversation that we're going to can We know that
it's risky for us to talk about it, but we
know what's riskier is not being able to sleep at night,
being on the wrong side of history, knowing what it's
like to be an oppressed people. If we can stand
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in solidarity with these folks to say, you know what,
not on our watch. We're going to talk about it
here every week if we can.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
And Angela, I know you're rapping, but I just we
also as Americans have to acknowledge what our documents are founding,
what we believe in our nerve, heart and sin you,
which is even if I don't agree with you, in
a democracy, I still have to stand and protect your
ability to say what it is that you think. And
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simply because we disagree with each other, we want to
squash out free opinion, protest people's ability to peaceably assemble.
And I've got too many Jewish friends, too many who
I know to a fact would never ever, ever want
to look back and be reflected in history as having
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stamped out free speech simply because we disagree.
Speaker 5 (58:09):
And just for this package, I just wanted to really
drive his point home because I think Andrew you said it,
but we kind of moved past it. This would be
this package in like aid to Gaza and then weapons.
It would be the equivalent of a foreign power sending
a million dollars in aid to the enslaved while sending
billions of weapons to the Confederacy. Come on, I think
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you cannot save me and kill me at the same time.
Speaker 4 (58:34):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
It's impossible, and I don't know how your moral compass
is telling you that's okay.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
So we and you can morally reject an assault on
innocent people which occurred in Israel and could have been
prevented by the horrible president, and at the same time
you can decry inhumane and unjust war practices and tactics
being waged against an innocent people.
Speaker 5 (59:02):
In fact, we.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
Must we uh, we definitely stand with and insolidarity with
the students on these campuses, with the workers who just
want to be heard at Google.
Speaker 4 (59:13):
And we'll be right back after this break.
Speaker 2 (59:22):
Well come, well come, well come, well come, well come, welcome.
Speaker 4 (59:28):
There's a gospel. So I don't know who's saying it,
I'll fly away. Who did that? Was that haze Ky Walker?
Speaker 3 (59:34):
Now I don't know, but those movements were pretty hip
hop fish.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Oh it's too early, you know, it's two seconds.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
It was of the world.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
I remember there was a pastor that said, when you know, Kirk,
go Jesus, go Jesu, let's go.
Speaker 4 (59:48):
To pass that. How you gonna tell Jesus to go?
So there's always gonna be a reason for something.
Speaker 1 (59:52):
But in the meantime, I'm talking about flying away because
American is trying to restrict your ability to do just that.
Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
Can Airlines said, not on my watch.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
If you don't book on my app, called my customer service,
that you might not be able to get through.
Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
You ain't getting no miles, which y'all think about that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
First of all, I didn't know we were in the show.
I thought we were just.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Talking gospel song because that was a thinking about flying.
Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
And so you know how my brain works, I gotta
always harken back to a song gospel.
Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
It up about to make the audience suffering gospel. So
this is what I have to say about that. I
just got off an American Airlines flight, so it's very
apropos and timely. I'm so over these airlines. Okay, the
three largest carriers in the United States sponsorship. I love
(01:00:46):
American Airlines except for this really big problem I have
right now. Except for this tiny little problem American Airlines. No,
I think that the three largest carriers in the United
States have turned a profit. You know, there were things
that happened during COVID where you know airlines because they
mishandled and misappropriated funds before that that they found themselves
(01:01:08):
with their pants down during COVID, and so everything was
tight and you know, people, you could fly to California
for twenty two dollars, you know, right, But now the
I think Q two last year, the second quarter of
last year, the airlines said hey, yes, we are seeing
profits now. American Airlines specifically said that passenger revenue from
(01:01:33):
international travel alone rose twenty two percent, so they can
certainly afford. I think some of these points. It's like
the seats are getting smaller, the planes are falling apart,
everything twice trading so that they are regulated. What body right,
(01:01:55):
I know they've gone before Congress. The FAA regulates them.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
That would be second Terry Pete, under Secretary. The perfect
transportation is that fat mayor Pete Secretary Pete. We got
a thing to say because the song said, I looked
it up. It definitely as a car walker, I will
be free one day I'll fly away. I would like to,
but I don't know if I'm being able to afford
these plane tickets, that's the thing. But they're saying, if
you can't get my anywhere, because sometimes I need to
(01:02:20):
use my mouth. Oh by the way, you guys, I
can't forgot to tell you no. Do you know somebody
hacked into my American Airlines count.
Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
And no thousands of miles.
Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So not only am I now not gonna get miles
potentially from these new trips I booked, but they literally
it was like three different people. I should name them
on this podcast, But how was.
Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
At first one.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I was literally not to book my god son a
ticket with my miles, and I was like, how.
Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Do I got I just want to say I apologize.
I needed to get the Turks and Caicos. I knew
Angela's American Airlines number and this was not you.
Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I'm going to prove it. I'm going to pull this up.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
You know who did it because I looked it up
and then I just remember they told me I need
to file the police report.
Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
And now now you don't know these people. No, how
did they get to your.
Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
They had to tell my account somehow they had so
they changed, like my mileage number, you should, but they like,
send you Andrew.
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
This is so rude. It's not first world to need
your miles.
Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Oh yeah, when it's to fly your cousin across the
country wind.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
It's not my cousin, it's my godson.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Because most of most of the godsons who ain't in
first world problems are taking Greyhound across the countin.
Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
And that's a lie.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Tell me the last time and tell you know what,
how long does it take to take the damn bus
from Tallahassee to LA Please tell me? Tell you when
the last time you was on a Greyhound bus.
Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Listen, I said, First of all, I didn't say I
wouldn't in it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
For those of you who have empathy and can understand
what it's like to be stolen from you, guys know
I have person no beef and trauma around people close
to me being but not only that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Now it's the damn Rando's. I don't even know I'm
gonna name these people.
Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
There's so much commercial.
Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
I can't name the people. I don't know miles I know,
but I can say allegedly these people did.
Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
It, okay, never mind assent attorney out of the practice
in l A law. I don't know if you can
say that.
Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
If you know you're about to get anyway, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
All I'm saying is, beginning in July, travelers will only
receive loyalty points and advantage miles if they book their
flights directly with American or what.
Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
If you're doing on an American Express, if you do it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Now, hold on your that's that's right. But I don't
know about that answer. We gotta find the answer. But Andrew,
here's the thing. Here's the part that is first world.
You know how you can get your miles if you
book with a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
Who's the preferred travel agency? So we need to see that.
Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Is our person a preferred travel agency.
Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
I don't know, it's not us, it's not us, but
that is first world. I don't appreciate you calling me
get my mile stolen.
Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
First world.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I'm mad at you. Was already mad at you last
time about Katie. Now I'm mad at you about this,
and I apologize for showing out today.
Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I'm not apologiz.
Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
The funny thing is that you apologizing to me for
going off of me. I'm like, you do it every
time we're tall.
Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
That is at Andrew to tell him that's not true.
I don't be going off, no, brother, I normally am
on your side and I fight somebody.
Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Else about the public. Okay, tell me, tell me, give
me an example.
Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
We're gonna move away acting like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
No no stories that that was unnecessary.
Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Well, so is this lie you telling that was unnecessary?
And I said I never say fake news on this podcast.
Well we have it anyway. I'm mad about the airlines thing.
I don't like. The airlines got to do better, Like
we spend a lot of money with these airlines, and
we as you know, the people who patroon these airlines
(01:06:11):
because we have to. How else are we going to
get across the country. I think as customers we deserve
a little more regard and respect. Nobody is getting on Greyhound,
Nobody was light red bus?
Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
What that red bus?
Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
What is red bus?
Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
That's how the kids go home spring break? Every weekend.
They jump on the red bus. They got internet, they
go to Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
Oh that sound that's like the fancy bus. I think
I have heard that New York bus.
Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
The Hampton Jitney.
Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Okay, well, either way, this conversation is over.
Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Remember air trans Now back to the real world.
Speaker 5 (01:06:46):
Air train you can fly fifty dollars each way.
Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
You know what's crazy you can make in front of
Spirit Airlines. I bet you they door and flowing offline.
Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Nowhere where I gotta fight you for seats?
Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
You got seats. You gotta fight the plane to pack
toilet paper?
Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
Are you paid for a c You ain't pay for
no leg room.
Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Okay, So now we are gonna listen to comments.
Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
We don't have questions. We have two comments from Native
Lamppod's audience. We are going to start with Mark, Hello.
Speaker 9 (01:07:19):
Native lamb pod. My name is Mark Clemens' from Fairburg, Georgia,
originally from California. I'd like to address Kelsey Plum's statement
regarding the WNBA. She speaks about the w NBA and
the CBA. First off, there's really no collective bargaining to
be had there seeing that in twenty five years from
the inception of the WNBA, they've never turned a profit.
(01:07:43):
So if you want to be paid a fair salary,
then you're gonna have to generate income more than what
you're doing now. So what's needed. You need more people
watching your game. Without TV money, there's no way you're
going to add to the salaries. You need to think
about what could be done to add more people watching
(01:08:03):
your game instead of moaning and groaning about not being paid.
There's so many athletes that wish they were able to
go to a professional league where the WNBA is a
league for women. So Miss Kelsey Plumb, instead of whining,
let's come up with some ideas to create more people
watching your game that will add to TV money and
(01:08:25):
we'll add to your salaries. Thank you so much, have
great day.
Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
I have to say thank you first of all for
sending in that comment, I have to say, I find
it incredibly disrespectful, and I can't imagine that he would
talk to a woman that way, although I or a
man that way, I should say I do again, though,
I want to make sure that we invite these comments.
We appreciate it, and we invite people who disagree with us. So, sir,
I actually hear you right. So I hear your point.
(01:08:55):
You clearly disagreed with Kelsey Plumb, and perhaps some of
our words following it up. I do think you suggesting
that Kelsey Plump is whining about not earning a fair wage.
I do find that language a bit disrespectful. The WNBA
brings in just two hundred million dollars annually, and so
they do rely on the NBA for some of their funding.
(01:09:16):
I think this young woman was well within her right
to say that they just want to benefit from the
profit that they do bring in. I hear you that, yes,
we should all start watching. And I believe the TV
deals and rights are up in twenty twenty five, so
they're actually negotiating those now. And I hope that the
(01:09:38):
WNBA is being heavily considered given how much excitement was
generated around them. But I would invite you and just
ask you respectfully to watch how we talk to young people,
young women in particular, who are demanding to earn a
fair and equitable wage. I don't know that I would
call that whining with all this respect to you, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
I got slightly less respect than Tiff. I'm working on it.
God's not through with me yet.
Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
I would just say, as a as a factual matter,
that there actually is a collective bargaining agreement with the
w n b A and we can move on to
the next statement.
Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
But thank you, Marco.
Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Next time you'll consider weighing in uh and checking your
facts first.
Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Can I just say, where where do we ever blame?
Do we blame the flight attendants for the new policies
at American?
Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
Do we do we the baggage chandler for a delta
because they had to get stimulus money during coches?
Speaker 10 (01:10:42):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
All I'm saying is the people who see it at
the intersection of the impact are not always the ones
who are responsible for the cure. These women are getting
out there every single day, giving their heart, giving it all,
leaving it all on the core and because big moneyed
interests to back basketball decide to invest more in the camera,
(01:11:06):
and then the person carrying the camera, and then the
technology of the facility for men's basketball sports, And therefore
when you look at certain women's games, it looks like
a throwback to the high school, not because of skill,
but because they didn't invest in how the thing gets
recorded and projected, the dynamics of it. And we've come
to expect that that's all that is asinine, except for
(01:11:29):
the fact that we don't necessarily need to blame the
people with the grievance for the structures that they have inherited.
We don't blame the slave for slavery.
Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
But I'm gonna blame you for this podcast running over,
So we don't go to the I'm done.
Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
I'm ov y, Mark, send me a better comment next time.
Delete my comment too, No, don't delete it. We go
keep it in there.
Speaker 11 (01:11:52):
Hey, Native lampod, I realized that I have the answer
to your question that you asked a couple of weeks ago.
What do we want our p s as to sound like?
What do we want our political ads?
Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
That was the question, And.
Speaker 11 (01:12:05):
It occurred to me that the ones that have been
most effective are when we get those mailers and they
have the the side by side comparisons of here's a question,
and then this candidate believes in this, This candidate believes this, this,
this candidate believes this. Reading the data like that is
(01:12:25):
what has been most effective. That's what I would like
the p s as to be, Like, there's the answer.
Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
Okay, gotta go.
Speaker 11 (01:12:33):
This is DONALDA from Florida the teacher.
Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Hi Andrew girl family, we can't ask questions already.
Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Turn out she was the bag.
Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
It look healthy and full. I want to know your
whole regime, girl tag looks like But let.
Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
Me tell you all this.
Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
I I theoretically like the approach. Think that works for
a graphics ad. I don't know how well that would
work visually speaking through those things. I'm a visual learner,
so auditor. Hearing those comparisons to auditor at least probably
challenging for me.
Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
No, but she's saying, as a mailer right on the.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Fly, most effective for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
She was saying, using the mailer model for a p
s A or a political ad either.
Speaker 5 (01:13:26):
I think if you do it in print or yeah,
but even if you did that and on social if
you did that as and as broadcasted ad I think
all of it works. I think for what she's saying, yeah,
just contrast. The problem is though, even that that that
opens people up to disinformation because you know people always say, oh,
(01:13:47):
this person uh supports you know, murdering babies. You know,
like people can can manipulate language and misinformation and disinformation
and start telling our folks to be like, site a source,
and when they cite the source, and that source be
like boo boo.
Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Toofood dot com. Yes you know it's not a reliable one.
We'll have TIV do a primer really soon on how
to know if a source it is a reliable primary
source or not, or if it came came for your
little cousin Rubu and them, are you heard, or.
Speaker 5 (01:14:18):
Is some random video on YouTube? Like that's not a source.
I said that I can't remember if it was a
Native Land page or the other show across dinner reasons,
but I was saying, well, what are you talking about?
Can you site your source? And the young lady responded,
cite my source.
Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
This is Instagram, you said, And facts matter everywhere, darling.
Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
So to that point, because facts matter.
Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
And so does time, we are almost out of time today.
We will not end our show without having a call
to action segment, which of course is one of our favorites.
We do not like to talk without and leaving y'all
without anything to do.
Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
So I'm gonna defer my time to you, friend, because
mins long.
Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Okay, well, then I'm gonna take your time reclaiming your time.
I will say to you that we have received such
a wide and huge, loving response to our podcast about
Marilyn Moseby and what happened in her case. Since then,
we have been working diligently to figure out the best
(01:15:22):
ways to support Maryland. And one of the things that
became really really clear is that in order to ensure
that her case is heard from this administration, from the
Biden administration, is to ensure that we have a petition,
and so that petition is now live. Color of Change
has a platform called Organize for and you can find
(01:15:44):
Pardon for Mosby there.
Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
We will have a QR code on our page.
Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
We'll have links on our social pages as well as
in our podcast description for this episode, both on YouTube
for visuals and on audio on iHeart. And so we
hope that you will join us and signing that petition.
It is our honor, our greatest honor to host this
petition for our dear friend, a hero of ours and
someone whose legacy is all about righting the wrongs of
(01:16:10):
the criminal justice system, even some of the past from
the President himself. This gives them an opportunity to join
us in writing some of those wrongs and supporting Maryland
some of that incredible work, including the work she did
to stop prosecuting marijuana possession cases in Maryland. Testified, Yeah,
(01:16:31):
testified before the House and the Senate at Kamala Harris's
invitation on that robust and progressive policy. So if you're
standing on her shoulders to implement some of those policies,
perhaps you can stand with us and ensure that she's pardoned.
Maryland is facing forty years in prison. She is scheduled
to be sentenced on May twenty third, and we're hoping
(01:16:52):
that we can halt that by getting her pardoned as
she deserves.
Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
You're here.
Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
You shouldn't serve a single day day spending her money.
He literally did nothing. And now we'll just invite you
all to remember Andrew's testimony that he gave as a
mini pod, but also what he shared today that she
would be handcuffed. Cavity searched put in a maximum security
prison away from her two young daughters who she's raising,
(01:17:17):
and she stood on the front lines for us during
Freddie Gray and she said to young people, our time
is now, so to echo what Angel was saying, our
time is now to show up for Marylyn.
Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Well, before we end the show, I want to remind
you all to please not only leave us a review
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We are angela Rie, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillim and just
in case y'all missed it, we are a mere one
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Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Thank you for joining the Natives attention of with the
info and all of the latest rock gulum and cross
connected to the statements that you leave on our socials.
Thank you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice
is cleared, so.
Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Grateful it took the execute roads.
Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Thank you for serve, defend and protect the truth even
in paste. We welcome home to all of the Natives.
Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
We thank you, Welcome.
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Y'all, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
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