April 21, 2025 • 40 mins
PART TWO of our hosts Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye, and Andrew Gillum’s a cross-generational discussion with three politically active Gen Z’ers.
After responding to Roland Martin’s criticism of younger generations, the discussion turns to ‘rest is resistance,’ mentorship, and fostering mutual understanding between age groups.
OUR GUESTS:
Victoria Pannell is an activist, organizer, and social impact strategist. In 2012- 2016, Victoria served as Northeast Regional Director of Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network Youth Movement. Victoria helped organize the March 14, 2018 National School Walkout, a call to action for gun reform, and in 2022, Victoria created Blue Shelter, a nonprofit dedicated to the rescue and rehabilitation of survivors of human trafficking. She currently serves as Senior Social Impact Advisor and Director of Social Media Management at Inspire Justice.
Ty Hobson-Powell led the “51 For 51” Washington D.C. statehood campaign and founded Concerned Citizens Demanding Change. In 2024, he managed the Mail-In Ballot Processing Division for D.C.’s Board of Elections. He’s been appointed State Political Program Director in Mississippi, supporting a major voter engagement initiative with Mississippi Votes. His upcoming book, The Fire Right Now—a nod to James Baldwin—is slated for release this summer.
Marley Dias is a celebrated changemaker and one of the youngest people to appear on Forbes 30 Under 30. She launched #1000BlackGirlBooks, collecting over 15,000 books featuring Black girl protagonists. A junior at Harvard, Marley is also the host and executive producer of Netflix’s Bookmarks: Celebrating Black Voices.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome home. Y'all to Part two of Native Lamb Pod,
and listen. I have heard a lot of you all
say I am resting, We are resting, and certainly you
deserve that. But are we at the point where it's
enough and it's time to get back to work? Well,
nobody better to have that discussion with with young people
who have all the energy. So we're going to pick
(00:27):
up where we left off in the previous episode of
Native Lamp Pod and get into what are these young
folks doing, but more importantly, what do they need from
us to empower them? So let's kick off this conversation
right now. I appreciate all all your points, all of
you guys, and I think it's healthy for us to hear,
(00:50):
you know, the healthy exchange of ideas and ideology. Ty
you talked about. You know, it doesn't take you know everybody.
I wonder this is really for all you all, But
I'll start with high. I wonder do you feel like
you're reaching people? Do you feel like okay, Well, if
it's one out of one hundred that's organizing out of
that hundred people, do you feel like you're tapping into somebody?
(01:12):
That's the first question. The second question is, we do
tend to talk about civic engagement and activism, and sometimes
these things are talked about only through the lens of voting,
which is what I was trying to ask earlier to you, Marley, like,
maybe people are out here doing all kinds of community work,
but they did not choose to vote, which doesn't take
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away what they were doing in community. Some people feel like, yeah,
I'm out here cleaning my community. I'm out here organizing
the same way, but I'm not necessarily, you know, interested
in upholding the white man's democracy. Maybe I'm maybe my
interest is somewhere else. I'm curious on where you all
stand on all that. That's how I'm starting with you,
So I.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Guess i'll ask you that that last question.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
First, you know why some folks are involved in civic
engagement outside of the electoral framework, And you know what
I mean, Let's look at the Hillary Clinton election, right,
roughly sixty three million votes for her, roughly sixty million
for Donald Trump, Roughly a little over one hundred million
who decided to stay home because they were disconnected from
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the systems that told them to go vote. When you
talk about, you know, the pandemic, the stimulus check that
a lot of folks received, that represented the most direct
interaction that folks have had with Washington around the country.
For a lot of folks the first time where they say,
you know, I can actually see what was reflected in
Washington back here.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But up until that point, they had realized what we.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Often emphasized it organizes, is that it starts at home
and you build your consentu circle out from there, you're
building your community. You're going to your PTA meetings, You're
making sure your neighborhood is clean if you have, you know,
a housing council. You're being involved in the things that
are closest to you, because at the end of the day,
that is the best place to insulate yourself from the
trickle down effect of even this fascist regime. Right is
(02:58):
affecting sensible leadership to make sure that you're insulated locally
and then starting to be more aspirational and caring about
national things, caring about foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But I think the immediacy of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Care has always lied with trying to take care of
the home front. And so that's a lot of what
we're seeing there with the disconnect from electoral systems as
opposed specific engagement.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Outside of that, the.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Other thing that you asked was about do I feel
like I'm reaching people when I reach one person?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And I would say yes, because that one person could be.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The next meat or something better than me, somebody that
could collaborate with me, somebody that can then go and
get one person. Like I think that we have to
be realistic in the fact that it's not everybody's thing.
Like I said, I know that folks from back in
the day that lived during a certain era where there
were black and white photos like to cosplay like they
were also the Malcolm X's and Martin Luther King's.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But like age doesn't make you that, you know, back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
In that generation, there were folks that were drinking their liquor,
There were folks that were smoking their weed. There were
folks that were doing any and everything until they got
that thing that activated them to care that said you
know what, hey, you should have some attachment here. And
it's because somebody brought it to them in their language
and said, you know what, this is what you can
do to integrate into movement. So I think that I
feel effective when I reach one person, especially if I
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reached them outside of the typical framework. Like you see,
I did the Obama saying tan suit thing for y'all today,
But like I need a hoodie for sha, I need
Brody in the hoodie. I need Brody with the skull
cap because he's gonna go and talk to folks and
have different conversations with people that I won't meet. But
if I can get him to meet me, to respect me,
and to take this information and download it and pass
(04:34):
it on, then me meeting that one person right there
might have been more effective than me meeting one hundred
people that day because he can go back and have
that rapport in his hood to be able to walk
down and talk some high level intellectual shit to folks
who otherwise didn't care, right, and so being able to
get that one person in these respective rooms, whether it
is over there, whether it is in the queer community,
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whether it's in the faith community, I think it's important
that we try to build that one.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
In each of these communities because of we can.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Get that one to act as an ambassador for ideas
to act as an ambassador for this good fight that
we're going to raise the army for it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
For sure, I think you're spot on, tie, and I
think you know, we reach people by recognizing that the revolution,
the road to the revolution isn't linear. Right Like during
the Civil Rights movement, there were young people who weren't
always on the front lines and didn't always have the
bullhorn in the mic, but best believe they're recording and
writing and documenting and archiving. I mean, there were artists
whose music was their fight, you know, the musicians whose
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instruments was their fight. There are some who are making
calls spreading awareness, which is now our version of social media. Right,
So we have to be okay with understanding that our
gifts are different, our passions are different, but that doesn't
make it any less effective when fighting white supremacy because
it is quite literally rooted in everything we do. You know,
like some folks are migrating back to the South and
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reclaiming land and starting like farms, y'all, like shout out Briebaker,
readhear book rooted. But you can't tell me that that's
not a form of resistance.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
We each have our role to play, and we have
to accept that it looks different, you know. So we
reach people by acknowledging that all skills are welcome. We
reach people by acknowledging that all of your talents are welcome,
that you know, the folks who are the support team
who bring the milk and water for tear gas to
protest that you are important, where the comms team that
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makes the graphics. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a
place in this movement, you know. And so not every
young person is going to say if we don't get it,
shut it down, which is my favorite, you know. But
some people are saying, well, if we don't get it,
how do we create it for ourselves?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And that method of fighting back looks different than what
we're used to seeing, and which is why it's so jarring,
and which is why it feels like young people are
too zen and to relax for this movement. But I
don't think it makes it any less effective. I think
black joy in and of itself is resistance, and we
can't just say that and then get upset when we
practice it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I yeah, I love everything you guys are saying, and
I have to tell you it kind of puts me
in the mind Spain's. My friends and I joke a
lot where we talk about music because this has always
been the case.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
James Baldwin had some challenges with how Martin Luther King
was moving, you know. And I remember listening to music that,
you know, my uncles and my parents they were like,
oh girl, that ain't no music. You know, this real music.
But on the Temptations, this real music. And so we
joke that young people someday will be what y'all listening to,
man mios migo, some real music, and it's just the
(07:24):
way generations go, you know. So, and I just want
to be clear. I don't think any of us, you know,
are are saying like wagging our fingers to young folks.
But I do think that there are a lot of
people who are disenfranchised. I can't remember who said something
about hope. Maybe it was my life, but yes, I'm
(07:45):
gonna just tell you I feel hopeless. Somebody in the
comments like I'm tired of timany feeling so doom and groom.
I'm like, yeah, I got gotta hear y'all, because I'm
tired of feeling doom and gloom. But hearing you all talk,
it does give me hope that you're out there doing
something and that you all seem to have hope, because
I'm telling you, I don't hear that from a lot
(08:06):
of young folks, and I don't have the words to
speak into them to say.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Well, you should feel hopeful.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I just have the words to say, please fight, Please
get in the please at least get in the fight,
because what we're seeing right now is just so frightening.
So I just I want to just say thank you
to you guys for being so passionate. And I think
what I love most is your authenticity. Ty I don't
know where you are. I feel like you from the South,
(08:34):
and if okay, I'm gonna find you, Tief you, I
was just.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Gonna say, you know one thing that I think is important.
There were a number of you, or all three of
you brought up at some point mentorship or the disconnect
between one generation to the next. If you be sure
you said, if you pass the baton, that means you
gotta leg go of the other end, all of which
I think are very powerful. I think my point of
privilege is I have a ton of mentors. I say
(08:58):
it takes a village to raise a child. That that's
the one we know. But I say it takes a
village to sustain an adult, and I really believe that.
But I'm I'm challenged by what you all are sharing
around mentorship, and I really want to hear about how
my generation can do better by gen z, what are
the things that you guys feel like can be done.
I think to aspire folks that are that need to
(09:19):
be hopeful about even getting support from us, Like maybe
like we don't want to apply the same tactics, but
you know, we do want to learn from the mistakes
you made. I'm spending a lot of time right now
with folks who are a part of organizing Gary and
Deanna and seventy two and attend it.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I want to learn what they got right, what did
they get wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So Marley, I'll start with you because your publicist is
saying you do actually have to go, So I'm going
to start with you and then we'll go on.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think I really appreciate asking like
the literal ways. I feel like that's the first step
is always just grounding it back to reality. Is when
you notice you're doing something wrong, like let's get the
actual steps. When it comes to mentorship, I think there's
two things that I really like. Is one when I'm
able to find a mentor who isn't just focused on
kind of wellness, not wealth or wellness as a way out,
(10:03):
like neither wealth nor wellness, that it's a combination of both.
That in order to be well, to be healthy, you
kind of have to you will be able to gain capital.
So finding people and being the person that says like,
you're not just gonna make it out out of getting
a million dollars or making your first whatever or buying
your first house. You're not gonna make it out that way.
But really it's actually going to be about taking care
of you. So mentors that focus on the connection both
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between like what your bank account looks like and what
your transcript looks like and what's going on in your head.
So making sure that this mental health conversation, which we
know has always been difficult within the black community and
difficult in all immigrant and indigenous communities, is just having
these hard talks. Is being a person that leads with
mental health as a huge part of justice work, where
like Tiff was saying, this feeling of hopelessness, you can
(10:47):
feel hopeless together and seeing that across different generations. We
can talk about you know, George Floyd and Trayvon Martin,
but there's also stories of the La riots, Like there
are so many other examples that we have not lived
through a police brutality of violence against women and girls,
of school shootings, that these problems come back around and
back around. So the second thing being helping to make
(11:07):
those ties and helping with those historical connections because we
are often, as gen Z say, like we've experienced the
pandemic and we experienced all these things, but you guys
did too, And I think learning about the ways that
you all have mitigated those moments and just talking in
as transparent of a way as possible about, like from
the real mental to the physical, to the economic to
the academic ways that you get out of hard times
(11:30):
is what young people need to hear because I think
we're all just adjusting to adulting and realizing that yo,
like this is an internal game of like how much
am I going to let white supremacy and capitalism dance
in my head every day? And the ways that you've
rewired that during political unrest, even if you didn't know
what you were doing. Hearing about it, I think is
so helpful because you don't realize how much of this
game is mental and about a belief in oneself and
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an honoring of the daily discipline of working towards a better.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Future for black people.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
So when we take care of ourselves, we actively keep
ourselves alive, we build another day for a better future.
And I think mentors should. We can help each other
and inform each other so much in that it's a
really beautiful reciprocal way to help.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
That's good, Marley. I do want to just reiterate our
space is always open. Nobody has ever silenced here, even
and pushback. We don't have to agree on everything. We
fight every week, but certainly no voices are silence here.
So we welcome you back anytime. Thank you so much
for coming.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
Thank y'all, see you later. Pleasure to be on the
other side of this break. We're going to dive deeper
into this concept of rest as a form of resistance.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
There was a point that we've been wrestling with quite
a bit. Andrew and Tip y'all have seen this too.
I wonder what you all think about this tie in
Victoria about rest, like the narrative of rest at a
time where there's so much going on, certainly not encouraging
people to know ever sleep and to stay woke to
the point of your detriment, but there is this interesting
(13:04):
narrative that's permeating. I got conspiracy theories about it, where
we're telling people to rest and not almost not protect ourselves,
and I think that's dangerous, particularly for the Black community.
I'm curious to know what you all are seeing and
hearing from your generation about that narrative.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'll hop in real quick, because I think that, like
you know, we're living in this era where we got
a generation of folks.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
From anticizing living in their soft era, right, and so there's.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
All of this stuff that we do to kind of
throw ourselves in a lull, and I think some of
that sort of just cultural kind of conversation is bleeding
over into this social justice conversation right where like this
soft life is being blended in with like we'll rest
is resistance, and we're getting some of the same talking points.
And like, I think because Victoria made this point earlier,
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there is definitely validity to needing to rest.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean a soldier that goes to battle needs.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To be well fed, well slapped, right, So, like, there
are things that you need to do to condition yourself
for a long battle, and part of that is rest.
Part of that is sustaining rest. I do think, however, though,
that like, because we have done this weird blend of
like I said, that rest that is necessary in this
soft life. We have a lot of folks feeling like
(14:19):
they think their contribution to our social justice fight will
solely be rest. And it's like, no, you rest after
you do some shit, or you rest before you're doing something,
but restling will never be the sole action that you're
doing to save our people.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I don't want people to like cause I do age.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I do believe to your point that there's a lot
of people it's seductive to believe that all you would
have to do to save our people just rest, Like,
I mean, who's not going to pick that position? I
choose the couch if that's all that we have to do,
you know what I'm saying, Like anybody would just say, Okay,
well that's how I'm going to show up. Sure, I
think it's important to remind people that rest is part
of resistance, But It is not the entire picture of resistance.
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It is part of sustaining resis resistance, but that in
and of itself, if the entirety of black people is resting,
who is at action and working for our interests? Who
is fighting that fight that we will need to fight
to sustain through the twenty first century. So I think
it's important to balance that conversation out that yes, we
must rest, but rests on par with the work that
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you're putting in to deserve that rest, to warrant that rest.
That's it because I come from a family of workers.
My dad comes from a small town in Virginia, Chase City,
one stoplight. If you're not looking for what, you'll miss it.
But he grew up on a farm where they raised
their animals. So that concept of resting, or that concept
of resting from my aunt, who was born in Mecklenburg County,
who had to get up early to walk while white
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kids would being bused to school. She couldn't afford that rest.
My mother just became American in two thousand and all
of what it took for her to become a citizen,
learning things that even some of our lawmakers don't know
about governance.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Here in America. She couldn't rest, so the idea that
rest alone would do it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We got to get a little bit more realistic and
we got to get over this concept that says that
all we're going to do is set back and somehow
the world will get better for us.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Awful Victoria, you have thoughts on that. I do.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think, well, I agree with what you said. I
think young folks are and not even just young folks.
I think people in general in this movement are prioritizing
self care, which I am a firm believer. You know,
I think it's the key to longevity in this movement.
You know, like, how do you fight for your people
if you're not taking care of yourself mentally, spiritually, emotionally,
(16:31):
all the things right? And so I don't think, you know,
this movement is disappearing. I think it's evolving. I think
rest and protection is important. I think we are creating.
I think we're creating spaces and events and during events
and during protests for moments of health and wellness. I
also think that we have to acknowledge, like you said time,
that rest and action go hand in hand. Like doing nothing,
(16:55):
absolutely nothing is never the answer, but taking care of
yourself after showing up is important. Burnout is a real thing, y'all. Like,
and I'm sure all of you know, you know, burnout
is a real thing, even you know, for even for
myself personal experience after organizing folks to vote in October,
literally every single day, day in, day out, walking up
to people having conversations on foot y'all, Like, I had
(17:17):
to take a week after to just breathe and cry
and just exist and rest and recover because this work
is heavy. I mean, when you're talking to a mom
who just buried her son, or you're you're helping that
mom pick out an outfit for their for their son
in a casket, like that weighs on you.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
You know, you go to you go to sleep thinking
about that at night.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, I do a lot of work in human
trafficking prevention, and after reading cases of babies being human
trafficked after you know, seeing that and then doing rescue
work like that, stuff stays with you. Because we're human, right,
we have emotions, and so I think it's important to
acknowledge that when you're doing the work, rest is also
important because that weighs heavy on you, and you cannot
be effective in helping someone else is helping someone else
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if you're not you know, showing up for yourself.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Mm hm, I you know.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I just want to say I appreciate one. I appreciate
the story you told Tie about the White House having
b two K singers there in lieu of black activists
and basically all all of you young people given your
own testimony, I will say, in the organizing spaces that
(18:28):
I have been in, there has been intention. And I'll
say this is to Angela when we're looking at the
table to see who is not there. I do feel
like angel is one of the people to say, well,
we don't have any young people here, we don't have
gen Z people here. So those conversations do happen. And
I think because to Andrew's point, like we're not so
(18:50):
far removed, like if it does feel very strange to
be the elder.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
And he said, you know what.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
We have to get ARP cards anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Listen, you know what else I do. I keep saying
simply red and not sexy red. I'm trying to tell
you it happened.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I mean, listen to.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Young people like and I would keep living it happens.
So quickly, like all of a.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Sudden you look up and it's like, not going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I'm closer. I'm closer to fifty than I am to thirty.
And it's just such a strange thing, yes, because I
feel like, oh, no, we're all peer sitting here talking,
you know, and I feel when I look in the mirror,
I'm like, oh, I see like a twenty eight year
old until my ass talks to an actual twenty eight
year old, and then I know that is not like, no, ma'am,
(19:50):
you are on the other side of that. But I
just wanted to get let you all know I appreciate
the pushback, the feedback and the instruction quite frankly mentorship
and not having a seat at the table because we
have that. You know, Angela, you may disagree with me,
but I do think it's a challenge. Well I don't
know if you disagree with this or not, but I
will say I do think it's a challenge that are members,
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including the Congressional Black Caucus, will die in their seats,
that we are not seeing up a generation behind them
and some of our elders in the movement. You know,
it is like it's a tug of war instead of
a baton pass. And so I do hear that because
we've had those complaints in our days, and sometimes we
may still have those complaints because there's still a generation
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above us. So at minimum, I'm happy that we're having
this exchange of ideas and ideology. And like Angela said,
this is a space that is open, is a conversation.
If I say something you don't agree with, I want
to hear. That only makes me a smarter person, a
more aware person. So this is really a lot about
listening for us, and that's why we've had more questions
(20:58):
than we did comments this episode. So I really appreciate
you guys participating.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I do want to say too to that sorry Vics
or this midl this is what thing just for you
to consider in your remarks.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It is.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
We're now the Sandwich generation, right. Some of us have
kids that are taking care of and we have elders
that were taken care of. And I think I'm much
more sensitive to how our elders are treated in our community.
I think we most of us hold them in high regard,
but I think rit large when I look at Asian cultures,
they hold their elders in a little bit more high regard.
(21:33):
And I just I think that it's important as we
talk about this that we figure out where the gaps
might be, because they're not intentional, they're blind spots, and
I think there's a distinction. So as you all get
ready to offer your closing. And Andrew somebody that started
something for young elected officials, a Young Elected Officials network
has been leading since before fam USGA. But high school
(21:58):
student body president. He knows little bit about this world
war world and pathway too, and I think he's someone
that y'all should pick.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
You should pick his brain. He's a good mentor.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Well, we'll make space and time and room for that.
You all. Should you honor me with any request or
information to be passed on, I'm happy to do it.
I am. I'm not a believer that we did it
the best. Uh, when we were at your age trying
to build and and and and experience what it is
(22:31):
to live a freer life and a more just life.
And the generation before us, God knows, they will self
admit that they they dropped the ball for for a lot.
But just as new organizers came on from the phone
tree and said to the to the to the elders.
We have emails. Now, we can send emails, but that's
(22:51):
not the same thing going and and phone tree in
them and calling them. You don't, you know, get the
same touch point. Well, you know what, the generation doesn't
require that right now. They require something different. So you
know there's value to it. And I just want you
to know, I hope you never think of yourselves as
not being relevant or seen or heard, because almost in
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every space I've been in, it's almost been from the
mouth of babes, the youth of the space that get
us really most uncomfortable in those rooms because they harken
us to a place where we had the freedom to
imagine and re imagine. And I think what you all
remind us of is as we get older, some of
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that gets lost when you get beat down repetitively by
a system that says, regardless of what you do, this
is unshakable. Like a tree planet by the water, it
won't be moved. And you all remind us that man,
that spark is still there, and you just you just
relt it again for me, right And in many ways
(23:55):
this conversation has ReLit it again for me that we
got to do better than top down. We're all equal,
and all of us are, you know, swimming backwards upstream
with the way of the world flowing down, and we
can't survive this alone. So I'm looking forward to the partnership.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Absolutely, But I think we should do this on the
regular I don't know how my co hosts feel about it,
but I do think it's important, right. I think we
should have younger voices here regularly, even if it's right,
because even if it's something that we said when you
all weren't here and you hear it and you're like,
I don't like what Tiffany said, or I didn't agree
with what Andrew said, or I got a challenge with
(24:36):
what Angel will say. Like I think because we've been
so intentional about saying welcome home, because this is your
home too. I mean, we would love to have you
guys back, other young folks, and I quite frankly would
like to hear from young people who are some of
the people I know who are like, yeah, I don't
I'm not really doing any activism, you know, and no
I'm apathetic and I'm not really into it. And because
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they too deserve a voice, and I think we have
to stop attaching value to people based on if you voted,
or based on if you are organizing. You know, it's
like no, like your pain, your apathy, your tiredness, all
of that matters too. And in our community, we're not transactional.
We love you just because you exist, just because you're
ours and we're yours. So I don't want anybody to
(25:21):
misunderstand thinking that I'm addressing you and assessing you by
what you're given to community. I hope that we encourage
people to And I definitely agree with you about the
nails and the lashes, because I'm not gonna lie. If
somebody was coming to interview with me and they had
nails and lashes and I would I would have an
opinion about it, you know, I would think, well, my
opinion would be well on this podcast's Victoria. He said,
(25:50):
what can I just hear Andrews College. Oh my god,
let's the Victorian close this out with your part.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
It remarks, y'all go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And they might have CTAs.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Oh yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You're right, We'll be right back on the other side
of this break are calls to action. Stay tuned.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Okay, Well, I'm going to go after them. So I'll
go Victoria tie.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, you know, first, I do want to well, one, Timmy,
I want to say that I love you some long
nails and long hair. And actually just had a conversation
with my mom, Miss Mary Panel. Just had a conversation
with my mom literally yesterday, and she was like, why
do I will look at you funny too if you
came with your long and we go back and forth
all the time. She says, we s have our own
podcast because we literally talk about this all the time.
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Your mom is welcome to come.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But I will say one, I am a firm believer
in giving people their flowers while they're here and while
they're in front of you, And so I do want
to say one, I'm thankful to all of you for
creating a space for young people because oftentimes we do
not have that space. We have to create it for ourselves.
And so one, I'm grateful, and then two, I also think,
you know, when people think of mentorship, I think people
(27:08):
think it means you have to, you know, do the
most for someone, and I think you should. I think
mentors should always do the most for their mentees. However,
sometimes doing the most looks like speaking life into someone
and you don't know what that can do. And I
just wanted to say, you know, to Angela too, thank
you because you called me yesterday or was it the
day we'll probably remember, but I don't even think you
realize what you did for me by speaking life into me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And that means so much.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And I'm trying not to cry. I'm emotional, but that's
so important because a lot of these young people need
someone to speak life into them, our young Black men,
our young black women. I mean, all wes see on
television is how we're not enough. All we see on
television is how we're not doing what we're supposed to
be doing and how we're not showing up. And so
sometimes that what we need is just someone to speak
life into us. So tell us that we're great, to
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tell us that we're gifted, we're talented in any way
that we show up, we're worthy of being in this space.
And that's so important. Angela, you did that for me
a couple of days ago. Tamika, my mentor, does that
for me all the time, and I'm so and pushes
me into spaces, you know, like pushes me and opens
doors that I wouldn't be able to open for myself,
and so I'm grateful for that, and I think a
lot of other young people would be grateful to have
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mentors like that who do that for them. But just
you know, I think my call to action for young
people is is don't be afraid to listen. You know,
I have such respect for my elders. I'm actually working
on a project called a Love Letter to Harlem, and
I plan on going home and interviewing all of my
elders and native folks to Harlem and just hearing their
thoughts about their history and the things that they've lived through,
(28:35):
lived experiences. We cannot be afraid to sometimes just open
our ears and listen, because y'all, we can be hard headed,
and I know that because I'm hard headed, and so
sometimes sometimes you just have to listen because you never
know what you can hear, you never know what you learn,
and that's how you that is how you create greatness.
And so that is my call to action. And then
my call to action for the older generation is to
take us.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Under your wing.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
You know, if we ain't doing it right, show us,
but also be open to us showing you how we've
now learned to do things, because it looks different. You know,
listen to us and don't dismiss us.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
I love it. It's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, Ty in the khaki suit, in the tan suit,
in his Obama suit.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And an Obama thing. I'm telling your spring time.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
A scandal was a scandal.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, I just want to say thank you, guys. I
mean to echo some of Victoria's sentiments.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You know, you guys are each and every one of
you thought leaders, folks who I've received sound bites from,
and and just you know, started conversations with my folks
trying to get that dialogue.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Started trying to grow the table that we're talking about growing.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So just appreciate you guys for vailing the space for
you know, letting us you know, letting us pop it
on here real quick.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Definitely gonna take it all up on diversifying those voices too,
because you know, I got to the point of even
this judgment that we had around the nails or whatever.
I got some folks that, you know, if my auntie's
in them song, oh that's the yn or that's the whatever.
But like, these are the same folks that's gonna quote
Socrates from behind that ski mask.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You feel what I'm saying. They got a lot of
respecial with death that you don't see at phase value.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I mean, even me, a lot of what I
do is built to sort of disarm the facts.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
You don't have to show up in a particular way.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right Like I graduated from high school when I was
thirteen years old.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I got my bachelor's degree at fifteen. I got my
master's at seventeen. And everywhere that I go for a speech,
I try to wear a hoodie. I try to wear
the phone politics.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I try to wear the Jordan's because we don't need
to equate success with the tan suit. I can show
up in that hoodie and still have the same intellectual
talking points.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And so that's just the you know what I'm saying
my closure remarks there. As far as a call.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
To action, I think the big thing for me here
is that we have to start clinging to a new.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Narrative about our folks, all of us. That's an intergenerational thing.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We have to choose different narratives that we want to
empower about our people. Cleaning and narrative of disempowerment is
a disservice to our ancestors who did the fighting to
get us here. We can talk about crabs in the
barrels and excuse for why crime looks the way it
does in some of our.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Cities and this and that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But if we can own that generational trauma in all
of its effects, we also have to own the generational
bravery that got us here.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We also have to understand that we're the descendants of
folks who read by candlelight knowing that death was on
the other side of it. It got caught, like we
are the descendants of those who created secret networks to
get us to freedom. We come from that. We have
to honor that by living it. So that's my call
to black people in general. And then I have a
call to the faith community because Marley said something that
(31:26):
really hit and it was about growing the table, how she,
as a queer person, felt disenfranchised. I have a little
sister that's gay. I don't have to subscribe to her
lifestyle or fully understand its, know that I love her
and to know that I respect her existence.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And if the Black church really.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wants to heal our community, it has to start by
making sure that nobody is walking away thinking that they're
hated by the very God that we're saying created them.
It's not compromised, it's compassion. It's not watering down the
word because I grew up in church. It's walking it
out the way that we said Christ did with open arms,
with an open heart. Another thing about faith, too, is
that faith sometimes puts us in a lull. Like there
(32:03):
was just this viral clip going on about some passes somewhere.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Black men need to obey the police, and there's a
whole other episode we can get into about what that
is right. But like.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
For so long, faith has been used as a point
of strength, but in many ways it's a point of weakness.
And it's important for us to remember that faith with
that works is dead, like going to the Book of James.
Like I said, my dad got that Master's of Divinity,
great Grandpa before him.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You know what I'm saying. We are rooted in this
church thing. I live that it's a blueprint for how
I move in the world.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But faith has to be paired with action, Like believing
in God should compel us to do the things that
we believe God would want us to do. Faith is
the engine and work has to be the wheels. So,
if we believe in a God of justice, why are
we not fighting for justice? If we believe that we're
making the image of a creator, why are we not
fighting to create new things like to honor God fully?
(32:57):
We have to show up and live out what we
think God is, who we think God is. Stop telling
me about the God that that inspired Jesus to turn
the other cheek.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Let's start talking more contemporarily relevant.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
About the Jesus who flipped the table when governance was
not serving the people, when it was unjust. Let's start
having conversations that are tethered to where we need to
be right. Because faith can free us or it can
lock us away, and it is up to our faith leaders,
to our community pillars to decide what that will be
for us moving forward. We've seen what it can be,
Like I said, we've seen it as an anchor of movements.
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So if we want it to be something more, that
is a conscious choice that our faith leaders are going
to have to make in concert with community leaders. Go
find that why in and maybe you don't value otherwise,
figure out what it takes to get him and his
folks as members of your congregation.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
We have to grow the table. But in order to
grow the table, we had to truly be committed to
the idea that everybody deserves to see.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
There.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's it. That's all.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Now open from both.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'll be I'll be quick Angela because I have a
feeling I might know what Angela's called CTA is, So
I'll be really quick. And I'm pulling my CTA from
the luminary Nicole Hannah Jones who posted this, and I
thought it was so poignan for our times. And she said, folks,
there is only so much you can learn from social media.
There's only so much social media can teach you. Now
(34:22):
is the time for reading. So my CTA is read something,
read something this week. Not it could be a think piece,
but read a book. Read a book. And if you
are reading something good. A lot of people were in
the comments asked me what was the book you reference?
It was The Poison with Bible. If you are reading
something good and think I need to read it, how
at me drop me a comment, let me know what's
what's on your list of reading. That's my only CTA,
(34:45):
just real quick, just on the famous book, Timmy, you
just said that I actually have a book coming out
my birthday at June seventeen, I turned thirty three.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The book is coming out June eighteenth. The book is
going to be called The Fire right now. It's gonna
be in a moge to James baldw The Fire Next Time,
which is really just a social commentary about that. I
would love to get you guys copies. So I'm gonna
as soon as we get over this, I'm gonna send
you all the man would love to have you guys
read over it. But yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'm gonna read.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes, that's amazing and I can't wait to read it.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
What publisher you are?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I'm just gonna independently publish it right now. I know.
I'm putting it on Amazon. Give me that.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Don't do that, give me that, No, don't do that.
Give me the manuscript. I gotta I got two imprints.
I want to send that too.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Let's let's talk about vatory connectors.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Before you sound it's too hard in our humble opinion,
let's door connected.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I'm gonna gethim to.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I'm gonna get him to. Leonard tiff is really the expert.
I got a book manuscript and sit in my backpack
for three months. That's another story. But Leonard has an
imprint and so does Kent even Candy, so let's get
that to both of them at least might call to
action before I do that. There's something that's just on
my heart. Yesterday Chloe, who does a lot of our.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Social media with Ange.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Chloe's been running point on social medias and common Strategy
first State of the People in tandem with It's about
twenty five committee members, but Chloe has been drowning in
the amount of graphics.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
There's a number of people supporting, but I was like, Chloe,
do a crash course. Some of these people are good,
but that you need to get them to your level
or they just might want to sharpen tactics. You know,
things change so fastly, fast, so quickly. And Chloe did
a crash course yesterday. Fifteen young people showed up. Me
and Vince Andrew crashed it and I missed most of
(36:38):
it because we were onboarding the LA leads for the
State of the.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
People Power Tour.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
On the end of the call, I got so emotional
because I was thinking about Chloe being in the professional
development program, where Andrew and Tip have also participated. It's
our opportunity to train young people in several areas public policy, podcasting, media,
other areas. In pr we mentor them, we give them
(37:04):
the tools. There are gurus that participate in that program.
Chloe has been in that program now since last February,
and it's by choice, it's not by forrest every semester.
But Chloe when she started was very shy, very reserved.
In the process, lost her father and kept and wanted
(37:24):
to keep working around Marylyn Moseby's petition in particular, she
Dovan was doing a ton of work and on this
particular project with State of the People, I've seen a
different side of Chloe, a clear communicator, a confident soul, beautiful, gracious,
patient soul, and I'm seeing a tremendous leader, like a
(37:45):
tremendous leader. And she led this graphics course yesterday and
I missed most of it, but at the end, I
just felt so much pride. And I'm about to cry
again now because to me, that's what this movement is about.
You all coming on here, that is what it's about.
When we go into these ten cities. That is the
(38:06):
type of community coalescing that has to happen for our
survival right now. And so I just would ask, whatever
your gift is, whatever you put your hand to do,
whatever your brain moves you to do, whatever gifting you have,
come and be a part of this broader.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Community that we're building.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
And we go into cities on the ground, starting in
Atlanta on April twenty six, be a part, like no
gift is too small, No gift is too large. Ti,
we need you on the stage. I'm gonna talk to
Victory about that too. You are a necessary part of this.
And we to Tip's point earlier, she knows I'm gonna
say it, we do need more young people involved. We
want to get this right. We need our elders involved.
(38:45):
I don't want to brush over. We need our veterans involved.
We are engaging all parts of the black population on
the black papers right sharing policy ideas. We have black
papers dropping every single week. We need y'all's experience and intelligence.
It's and brilliance there. It is state of the PPL
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(39:06):
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Speaker 5 (39:16):
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Speaker 6 (39:18):
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Speaker 5 (39:25):
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Speaker 6 (39:25):
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Speaker 8 (39:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome home. Y'all to Part two of Native Lamb Pod,
and listen. I have heard a lot of you all
say I am resting, We are resting, and certainly you
deserve that. But are we at the point where it's
enough and it's time to get back to work? Well,
nobody better to have that discussion with with young people
who have all the energy. So we're going to pick
(00:27):
up where we left off in the previous episode of
Native Lamp Pod and get into what are these young
folks doing, but more importantly, what do they need from
us to empower them? So let's kick off this conversation
right now. I appreciate all all your points, all of
you guys, and I think it's healthy for us to hear,
(00:50):
you know, the healthy exchange of ideas and ideology. Ty
you talked about. You know, it doesn't take you know everybody.
I wonder this is really for all you all, But
I'll start with high. I wonder do you feel like
you're reaching people? Do you feel like okay, Well, if
it's one out of one hundred that's organizing out of
that hundred people, do you feel like you're tapping into somebody?
(01:12):
That's the first question. The second question is, we do
tend to talk about civic engagement and activism, and sometimes
these things are talked about only through the lens of voting,
which is what I was trying to ask earlier to you, Marley, like,
maybe people are out here doing all kinds of community work,
but they did not choose to vote, which doesn't take
(01:33):
away what they were doing in community. Some people feel like, yeah,
I'm out here cleaning my community. I'm out here organizing
the same way, but I'm not necessarily, you know, interested
in upholding the white man's democracy. Maybe I'm maybe my
interest is somewhere else. I'm curious on where you all
stand on all that. That's how I'm starting with you,
So I.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Guess i'll ask you that that last question.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
First, you know why some folks are involved in civic
engagement outside of the electoral framework, And you know what
I mean, Let's look at the Hillary Clinton election, right,
roughly sixty three million votes for her, roughly sixty million
for Donald Trump, Roughly a little over one hundred million
who decided to stay home because they were disconnected from
(02:13):
the systems that told them to go vote. When you
talk about, you know, the pandemic, the stimulus check that
a lot of folks received, that represented the most direct
interaction that folks have had with Washington around the country.
For a lot of folks the first time where they say,
you know, I can actually see what was reflected in
Washington back here.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
But up until that point, they had realized what we.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Often emphasized it organizes, is that it starts at home
and you build your consentu circle out from there, you're
building your community. You're going to your PTA meetings, You're
making sure your neighborhood is clean if you have, you know,
a housing council. You're being involved in the things that
are closest to you, because at the end of the day,
that is the best place to insulate yourself from the
trickle down effect of even this fascist regime. Right is
(02:58):
affecting sensible leadership to make sure that you're insulated locally
and then starting to be more aspirational and caring about
national things, caring about foreign policy.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But I think the immediacy of.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Care has always lied with trying to take care of
the home front. And so that's a lot of what
we're seeing there with the disconnect from electoral systems as
opposed specific engagement.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Outside of that, the.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Other thing that you asked was about do I feel
like I'm reaching people when I reach one person?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And I would say yes, because that one person could be.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
The next meat or something better than me, somebody that
could collaborate with me, somebody that can then go and
get one person. Like I think that we have to
be realistic in the fact that it's not everybody's thing.
Like I said, I know that folks from back in
the day that lived during a certain era where there
were black and white photos like to cosplay like they
were also the Malcolm X's and Martin Luther King's.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But like age doesn't make you that, you know, back.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
In that generation, there were folks that were drinking their liquor,
There were folks that were smoking their weed. There were
folks that were doing any and everything until they got
that thing that activated them to care that said you
know what, hey, you should have some attachment here. And
it's because somebody brought it to them in their language
and said, you know what, this is what you can
do to integrate into movement. So I think that I
feel effective when I reach one person, especially if I
(04:14):
reached them outside of the typical framework. Like you see,
I did the Obama saying tan suit thing for y'all today,
But like I need a hoodie for sha, I need
Brody in the hoodie. I need Brody with the skull
cap because he's gonna go and talk to folks and
have different conversations with people that I won't meet. But
if I can get him to meet me, to respect me,
and to take this information and download it and pass
(04:34):
it on, then me meeting that one person right there
might have been more effective than me meeting one hundred
people that day because he can go back and have
that rapport in his hood to be able to walk
down and talk some high level intellectual shit to folks
who otherwise didn't care, right, and so being able to
get that one person in these respective rooms, whether it
is over there, whether it is in the queer community,
(04:54):
whether it's in the faith community, I think it's important
that we try to build that one.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
In each of these communities because of we can.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Get that one to act as an ambassador for ideas
to act as an ambassador for this good fight that
we're going to raise the army for it.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
For sure, I think you're spot on, tie, and I
think you know, we reach people by recognizing that the revolution,
the road to the revolution isn't linear. Right Like during
the Civil Rights movement, there were young people who weren't
always on the front lines and didn't always have the
bullhorn in the mic, but best believe they're recording and
writing and documenting and archiving. I mean, there were artists
whose music was their fight, you know, the musicians whose
(05:31):
instruments was their fight. There are some who are making
calls spreading awareness, which is now our version of social media. Right,
So we have to be okay with understanding that our
gifts are different, our passions are different, but that doesn't
make it any less effective when fighting white supremacy because
it is quite literally rooted in everything we do. You know,
like some folks are migrating back to the South and
(05:51):
reclaiming land and starting like farms, y'all, like shout out Briebaker,
readhear book rooted. But you can't tell me that that's
not a form of resistance.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
We each have our role to play, and we have
to accept that it looks different, you know. So we
reach people by acknowledging that all skills are welcome. We
reach people by acknowledging that all of your talents are welcome,
that you know, the folks who are the support team
who bring the milk and water for tear gas to
protest that you are important, where the comms team that
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makes the graphics. Everyone has a role. Everyone has a
place in this movement, you know. And so not every
young person is going to say if we don't get it,
shut it down, which is my favorite, you know. But
some people are saying, well, if we don't get it,
how do we create it for ourselves?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
You know?
Speaker 4 (06:32):
And that method of fighting back looks different than what
we're used to seeing, and which is why it's so jarring,
and which is why it feels like young people are
too zen and to relax for this movement. But I
don't think it makes it any less effective. I think
black joy in and of itself is resistance, and we
can't just say that and then get upset when we
practice it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I yeah, I love everything you guys are saying, and
I have to tell you it kind of puts me
in the mind Spain's. My friends and I joke a
lot where we talk about music because this has always
been the case.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
James Baldwin had some challenges with how Martin Luther King
was moving, you know. And I remember listening to music that,
you know, my uncles and my parents they were like,
oh girl, that ain't no music. You know, this real music.
But on the Temptations, this real music. And so we
joke that young people someday will be what y'all listening to,
man mios migo, some real music, and it's just the
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way generations go, you know. So, and I just want
to be clear. I don't think any of us, you know,
are are saying like wagging our fingers to young folks.
But I do think that there are a lot of
people who are disenfranchised. I can't remember who said something
about hope. Maybe it was my life, but yes, I'm
(07:45):
gonna just tell you I feel hopeless. Somebody in the
comments like I'm tired of timany feeling so doom and groom.
I'm like, yeah, I got gotta hear y'all, because I'm
tired of feeling doom and gloom. But hearing you all talk,
it does give me hope that you're out there doing
something and that you all seem to have hope, because
I'm telling you, I don't hear that from a lot
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of young folks, and I don't have the words to
speak into them to say.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Well, you should feel hopeful.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I just have the words to say, please fight, Please
get in the please at least get in the fight,
because what we're seeing right now is just so frightening.
So I just I want to just say thank you
to you guys for being so passionate. And I think
what I love most is your authenticity. Ty I don't
know where you are. I feel like you from the South,
(08:34):
and if okay, I'm gonna find you, Tief you, I
was just.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Gonna say, you know one thing that I think is important.
There were a number of you, or all three of
you brought up at some point mentorship or the disconnect
between one generation to the next. If you be sure
you said, if you pass the baton, that means you
gotta leg go of the other end, all of which
I think are very powerful. I think my point of
privilege is I have a ton of mentors. I say
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it takes a village to raise a child. That that's
the one we know. But I say it takes a
village to sustain an adult, and I really believe that.
But I'm I'm challenged by what you all are sharing
around mentorship, and I really want to hear about how
my generation can do better by gen z, what are
the things that you guys feel like can be done.
I think to aspire folks that are that need to
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be hopeful about even getting support from us, Like maybe
like we don't want to apply the same tactics, but
you know, we do want to learn from the mistakes
you made. I'm spending a lot of time right now
with folks who are a part of organizing Gary and
Deanna and seventy two and attend it.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I want to learn what they got right, what did
they get wrong?
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So Marley, I'll start with you because your publicist is
saying you do actually have to go, So I'm going
to start with you and then we'll go on.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think I really appreciate asking like
the literal ways. I feel like that's the first step
is always just grounding it back to reality. Is when
you notice you're doing something wrong, like let's get the
actual steps. When it comes to mentorship, I think there's
two things that I really like. Is one when I'm
able to find a mentor who isn't just focused on
kind of wellness, not wealth or wellness as a way out,
(10:03):
like neither wealth nor wellness, that it's a combination of both.
That in order to be well, to be healthy, you
kind of have to you will be able to gain capital.
So finding people and being the person that says like,
you're not just gonna make it out out of getting
a million dollars or making your first whatever or buying
your first house. You're not gonna make it out that way.
But really it's actually going to be about taking care
of you. So mentors that focus on the connection both
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between like what your bank account looks like and what
your transcript looks like and what's going on in your head.
So making sure that this mental health conversation, which we
know has always been difficult within the black community and
difficult in all immigrant and indigenous communities, is just having
these hard talks. Is being a person that leads with
mental health as a huge part of justice work, where
like Tiff was saying, this feeling of hopelessness, you can
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feel hopeless together and seeing that across different generations. We
can talk about you know, George Floyd and Trayvon Martin,
but there's also stories of the La riots, Like there
are so many other examples that we have not lived
through a police brutality of violence against women and girls,
of school shootings, that these problems come back around and
back around. So the second thing being helping to make
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those ties and helping with those historical connections because we
are often, as gen Z say, like we've experienced the
pandemic and we experienced all these things, but you guys
did too, And I think learning about the ways that
you all have mitigated those moments and just talking in
as transparent of a way as possible about, like from
the real mental to the physical, to the economic to
the academic ways that you get out of hard times
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is what young people need to hear because I think
we're all just adjusting to adulting and realizing that yo,
like this is an internal game of like how much
am I going to let white supremacy and capitalism dance
in my head every day? And the ways that you've
rewired that during political unrest, even if you didn't know
what you were doing. Hearing about it, I think is
so helpful because you don't realize how much of this
game is mental and about a belief in oneself and
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an honoring of the daily discipline of working towards a better.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Future for black people.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
So when we take care of ourselves, we actively keep
ourselves alive, we build another day for a better future.
And I think mentors should. We can help each other
and inform each other so much in that it's a
really beautiful reciprocal way to help.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
That's good, Marley. I do want to just reiterate our
space is always open. Nobody has ever silenced here, even
and pushback. We don't have to agree on everything. We
fight every week, but certainly no voices are silence here.
So we welcome you back anytime. Thank you so much
for coming.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
Thank y'all, see you later. Pleasure to be on the
other side of this break. We're going to dive deeper
into this concept of rest as a form of resistance.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
There was a point that we've been wrestling with quite
a bit. Andrew and Tip y'all have seen this too.
I wonder what you all think about this tie in
Victoria about rest, like the narrative of rest at a
time where there's so much going on, certainly not encouraging
people to know ever sleep and to stay woke to
the point of your detriment, but there is this interesting
(13:04):
narrative that's permeating. I got conspiracy theories about it, where
we're telling people to rest and not almost not protect ourselves,
and I think that's dangerous, particularly for the Black community.
I'm curious to know what you all are seeing and
hearing from your generation about that narrative.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I'll hop in real quick, because I think that, like
you know, we're living in this era where we got
a generation of folks.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
From anticizing living in their soft era, right, and so there's.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
All of this stuff that we do to kind of
throw ourselves in a lull, and I think some of
that sort of just cultural kind of conversation is bleeding
over into this social justice conversation right where like this
soft life is being blended in with like we'll rest
is resistance, and we're getting some of the same talking points.
And like, I think because Victoria made this point earlier,
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there is definitely validity to needing to rest.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I mean a soldier that goes to battle needs.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
To be well fed, well slapped, right, So, like, there
are things that you need to do to condition yourself
for a long battle, and part of that is rest.
Part of that is sustaining rest. I do think, however, though,
that like, because we have done this weird blend of
like I said, that rest that is necessary in this
soft life. We have a lot of folks feeling like
(14:19):
they think their contribution to our social justice fight will
solely be rest. And it's like, no, you rest after
you do some shit, or you rest before you're doing something,
but restling will never be the sole action that you're
doing to save our people.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And I don't want people to like cause I do age.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I do believe to your point that there's a lot
of people it's seductive to believe that all you would
have to do to save our people just rest, Like,
I mean, who's not going to pick that position? I
choose the couch if that's all that we have to do,
you know what I'm saying, Like anybody would just say, Okay,
well that's how I'm going to show up. Sure, I
think it's important to remind people that rest is part
of resistance, But It is not the entire picture of resistance.
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It is part of sustaining resis resistance, but that in
and of itself, if the entirety of black people is resting,
who is at action and working for our interests? Who
is fighting that fight that we will need to fight
to sustain through the twenty first century. So I think
it's important to balance that conversation out that yes, we
must rest, but rests on par with the work that
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you're putting in to deserve that rest, to warrant that rest.
That's it because I come from a family of workers.
My dad comes from a small town in Virginia, Chase City,
one stoplight. If you're not looking for what, you'll miss it.
But he grew up on a farm where they raised
their animals. So that concept of resting, or that concept
of resting from my aunt, who was born in Mecklenburg County,
who had to get up early to walk while white
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kids would being bused to school. She couldn't afford that rest.
My mother just became American in two thousand and all
of what it took for her to become a citizen,
learning things that even some of our lawmakers don't know
about governance.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Here in America. She couldn't rest, so the idea that
rest alone would do it.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
We got to get a little bit more realistic and
we got to get over this concept that says that
all we're going to do is set back and somehow
the world will get better for us.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Awful Victoria, you have thoughts on that. I do.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think, well, I agree with what you said. I
think young folks are and not even just young folks.
I think people in general in this movement are prioritizing
self care, which I am a firm believer. You know,
I think it's the key to longevity in this movement.
You know, like, how do you fight for your people
if you're not taking care of yourself mentally, spiritually, emotionally,
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all the things right? And so I don't think, you know,
this movement is disappearing. I think it's evolving. I think
rest and protection is important. I think we are creating.
I think we're creating spaces and events and during events
and during protests for moments of health and wellness. I
also think that we have to acknowledge, like you said time,
that rest and action go hand in hand. Like doing nothing,
(16:55):
absolutely nothing is never the answer, but taking care of
yourself after showing up is important. Burnout is a real thing, y'all. Like,
and I'm sure all of you know, you know, burnout
is a real thing, even you know, for even for
myself personal experience after organizing folks to vote in October,
literally every single day, day in, day out, walking up
to people having conversations on foot y'all, Like, I had
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to take a week after to just breathe and cry
and just exist and rest and recover because this work
is heavy. I mean, when you're talking to a mom
who just buried her son, or you're you're helping that
mom pick out an outfit for their for their son
in a casket, like that weighs on you.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
You know, you go to you go to sleep thinking
about that at night.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, I do a lot of work in human
trafficking prevention, and after reading cases of babies being human
trafficked after you know, seeing that and then doing rescue
work like that, stuff stays with you. Because we're human, right,
we have emotions, and so I think it's important to
acknowledge that when you're doing the work, rest is also
important because that weighs heavy on you, and you cannot
be effective in helping someone else is helping someone else
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if you're not you know, showing up for yourself.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Mm hm, I you know.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I just want to say I appreciate one. I appreciate
the story you told Tie about the White House having
b two K singers there in lieu of black activists
and basically all all of you young people given your
own testimony, I will say, in the organizing spaces that
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I have been in, there has been intention. And I'll
say this is to Angela when we're looking at the
table to see who is not there. I do feel
like angel is one of the people to say, well,
we don't have any young people here, we don't have
gen Z people here. So those conversations do happen. And
I think because to Andrew's point, like we're not so
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far removed, like if it does feel very strange to
be the elder.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
And he said, you know what.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
We have to get ARP cards anymore.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Listen, you know what else I do. I keep saying
simply red and not sexy red. I'm trying to tell
you it happened.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I mean, listen to.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Young people like and I would keep living it happens.
So quickly, like all of a.
Speaker 8 (19:26):
Sudden you look up and it's like, not going to
do it.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I'm closer. I'm closer to fifty than I am to thirty.
And it's just such a strange thing, yes, because I
feel like, oh, no, we're all peer sitting here talking,
you know, and I feel when I look in the mirror,
I'm like, oh, I see like a twenty eight year
old until my ass talks to an actual twenty eight
year old, and then I know that is not like, no, ma'am,
(19:50):
you are on the other side of that. But I
just wanted to get let you all know I appreciate
the pushback, the feedback and the instruction quite frankly mentorship
and not having a seat at the table because we
have that. You know, Angela, you may disagree with me,
but I do think it's a challenge. Well I don't
know if you disagree with this or not, but I
will say I do think it's a challenge that are members,
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including the Congressional Black Caucus, will die in their seats,
that we are not seeing up a generation behind them
and some of our elders in the movement. You know,
it is like it's a tug of war instead of
a baton pass. And so I do hear that because
we've had those complaints in our days, and sometimes we
may still have those complaints because there's still a generation
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above us. So at minimum, I'm happy that we're having
this exchange of ideas and ideology. And like Angela said,
this is a space that is open, is a conversation.
If I say something you don't agree with, I want
to hear. That only makes me a smarter person, a
more aware person. So this is really a lot about
listening for us, and that's why we've had more questions
(20:58):
than we did comments this episode. So I really appreciate
you guys participating.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I do want to say too to that sorry Vics
or this midl this is what thing just for you
to consider in your remarks.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It is.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
We're now the Sandwich generation, right. Some of us have
kids that are taking care of and we have elders
that were taken care of. And I think I'm much
more sensitive to how our elders are treated in our community.
I think we most of us hold them in high regard,
but I think rit large when I look at Asian cultures,
they hold their elders in a little bit more high regard.
(21:33):
And I just I think that it's important as we
talk about this that we figure out where the gaps
might be, because they're not intentional, they're blind spots, and
I think there's a distinction. So as you all get
ready to offer your closing. And Andrew somebody that started
something for young elected officials, a Young Elected Officials network
has been leading since before fam USGA. But high school
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student body president. He knows little bit about this world
war world and pathway too, and I think he's someone
that y'all should pick.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
You should pick his brain. He's a good mentor.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Well, we'll make space and time and room for that.
You all. Should you honor me with any request or
information to be passed on, I'm happy to do it.
I am. I'm not a believer that we did it
the best. Uh, when we were at your age trying
to build and and and and experience what it is
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to live a freer life and a more just life.
And the generation before us, God knows, they will self
admit that they they dropped the ball for for a lot.
But just as new organizers came on from the phone
tree and said to the to the to the elders.
We have emails. Now, we can send emails, but that's
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not the same thing going and and phone tree in
them and calling them. You don't, you know, get the
same touch point. Well, you know what, the generation doesn't
require that right now. They require something different. So you
know there's value to it. And I just want you
to know, I hope you never think of yourselves as
not being relevant or seen or heard, because almost in
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every space I've been in, it's almost been from the
mouth of babes, the youth of the space that get
us really most uncomfortable in those rooms because they harken
us to a place where we had the freedom to
imagine and re imagine. And I think what you all
remind us of is as we get older, some of
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that gets lost when you get beat down repetitively by
a system that says, regardless of what you do, this
is unshakable. Like a tree planet by the water, it
won't be moved. And you all remind us that man,
that spark is still there, and you just you just
relt it again for me, right And in many ways
(23:55):
this conversation has ReLit it again for me that we
got to do better than top down. We're all equal,
and all of us are, you know, swimming backwards upstream
with the way of the world flowing down, and we
can't survive this alone. So I'm looking forward to the partnership.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Absolutely, But I think we should do this on the
regular I don't know how my co hosts feel about it,
but I do think it's important, right. I think we
should have younger voices here regularly, even if it's right,
because even if it's something that we said when you
all weren't here and you hear it and you're like,
I don't like what Tiffany said, or I didn't agree
with what Andrew said, or I got a challenge with
(24:36):
what Angel will say. Like I think because we've been
so intentional about saying welcome home, because this is your
home too. I mean, we would love to have you
guys back, other young folks, and I quite frankly would
like to hear from young people who are some of
the people I know who are like, yeah, I don't
I'm not really doing any activism, you know, and no
I'm apathetic and I'm not really into it. And because
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they too deserve a voice, and I think we have
to stop attaching value to people based on if you voted,
or based on if you are organizing. You know, it's
like no, like your pain, your apathy, your tiredness, all
of that matters too. And in our community, we're not transactional.
We love you just because you exist, just because you're
ours and we're yours. So I don't want anybody to
(25:21):
misunderstand thinking that I'm addressing you and assessing you by
what you're given to community. I hope that we encourage
people to And I definitely agree with you about the
nails and the lashes, because I'm not gonna lie. If
somebody was coming to interview with me and they had
nails and lashes and I would I would have an
opinion about it, you know, I would think, well, my
opinion would be well on this podcast's Victoria. He said,
(25:50):
what can I just hear Andrews College. Oh my god,
let's the Victorian close this out with your part.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
It remarks, y'all go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And they might have CTAs.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Oh yeah, we do.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
You're right, We'll be right back on the other side
of this break are calls to action. Stay tuned.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Okay, Well, I'm going to go after them. So I'll
go Victoria tie.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, you know, first, I do want to well, one, Timmy,
I want to say that I love you some long
nails and long hair. And actually just had a conversation
with my mom, Miss Mary Panel. Just had a conversation
with my mom literally yesterday, and she was like, why
do I will look at you funny too if you
came with your long and we go back and forth
all the time. She says, we s have our own
podcast because we literally talk about this all the time.
(26:43):
Your mom is welcome to come.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But I will say one, I am a firm believer
in giving people their flowers while they're here and while
they're in front of you, And so I do want
to say one, I'm thankful to all of you for
creating a space for young people because oftentimes we do
not have that space. We have to create it for ourselves.
And so one, I'm grateful, and then two, I also think,
you know, when people think of mentorship, I think people
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think it means you have to, you know, do the
most for someone, and I think you should. I think
mentors should always do the most for their mentees. However,
sometimes doing the most looks like speaking life into someone
and you don't know what that can do. And I
just wanted to say, you know, to Angela too, thank
you because you called me yesterday or was it the
day we'll probably remember, but I don't even think you
realize what you did for me by speaking life into me.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
And that means so much.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And I'm trying not to cry. I'm emotional, but that's
so important because a lot of these young people need
someone to speak life into them, our young Black men,
our young black women. I mean, all wes see on
television is how we're not enough. All we see on
television is how we're not doing what we're supposed to
be doing and how we're not showing up. And so
sometimes that what we need is just someone to speak
life into us. So tell us that we're great, to
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tell us that we're gifted, we're talented in any way
that we show up, we're worthy of being in this space.
And that's so important. Angela, you did that for me
a couple of days ago. Tamika, my mentor, does that
for me all the time, and I'm so and pushes
me into spaces, you know, like pushes me and opens
doors that I wouldn't be able to open for myself,
and so I'm grateful for that, and I think a
lot of other young people would be grateful to have
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mentors like that who do that for them. But just
you know, I think my call to action for young
people is is don't be afraid to listen. You know,
I have such respect for my elders. I'm actually working
on a project called a Love Letter to Harlem, and
I plan on going home and interviewing all of my
elders and native folks to Harlem and just hearing their
thoughts about their history and the things that they've lived through,
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lived experiences. We cannot be afraid to sometimes just open
our ears and listen, because y'all, we can be hard headed,
and I know that because I'm hard headed, and so
sometimes sometimes you just have to listen because you never
know what you can hear, you never know what you learn,
and that's how you that is how you create greatness.
And so that is my call to action. And then
my call to action for the older generation is to
take us.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Under your wing.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
You know, if we ain't doing it right, show us,
but also be open to us showing you how we've
now learned to do things, because it looks different. You know,
listen to us and don't dismiss us.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
I love it. It's beautiful.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, Ty in the khaki suit, in the tan suit,
in his Obama suit.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
And an Obama thing. I'm telling your spring time.
Speaker 8 (29:14):
A scandal was a scandal.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, I just want to say thank you, guys. I
mean to echo some of Victoria's sentiments.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You know, you guys are each and every one of
you thought leaders, folks who I've received sound bites from,
and and just you know, started conversations with my folks
trying to get that dialogue.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Started trying to grow the table that we're talking about growing.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
So just appreciate you guys for vailing the space for
you know, letting us you know, letting us pop it
on here real quick.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
I definitely appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Definitely gonna take it all up on diversifying those voices too,
because you know, I got to the point of even
this judgment that we had around the nails or whatever.
I got some folks that, you know, if my auntie's
in them song, oh that's the yn or that's the whatever.
But like, these are the same folks that's gonna quote
Socrates from behind that ski mask.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
You feel what I'm saying. They got a lot of
respecial with death that you don't see at phase value.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And I mean, even me, a lot of what I
do is built to sort of disarm the facts.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
You don't have to show up in a particular way.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right Like I graduated from high school when I was
thirteen years old.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I got my bachelor's degree at fifteen. I got my
master's at seventeen. And everywhere that I go for a speech,
I try to wear a hoodie. I try to wear
the phone politics.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I try to wear the Jordan's because we don't need
to equate success with the tan suit. I can show
up in that hoodie and still have the same intellectual
talking points.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And so that's just the you know what I'm saying
my closure remarks there. As far as a call.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
To action, I think the big thing for me here
is that we have to start clinging to a new.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Narrative about our folks, all of us. That's an intergenerational thing.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
We have to choose different narratives that we want to
empower about our people. Cleaning and narrative of disempowerment is
a disservice to our ancestors who did the fighting to
get us here. We can talk about crabs in the
barrels and excuse for why crime looks the way it
does in some of our.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Cities and this and that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
But if we can own that generational trauma in all
of its effects, we also have to own the generational
bravery that got us here.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We also have to understand that we're the descendants of
folks who read by candlelight knowing that death was on
the other side of it. It got caught, like we
are the descendants of those who created secret networks to
get us to freedom. We come from that. We have
to honor that by living it. So that's my call
to black people in general. And then I have a
call to the faith community because Marley said something that
(31:26):
really hit and it was about growing the table, how she,
as a queer person, felt disenfranchised. I have a little
sister that's gay. I don't have to subscribe to her
lifestyle or fully understand its, know that I love her
and to know that I respect her existence.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
And if the Black church really.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wants to heal our community, it has to start by
making sure that nobody is walking away thinking that they're
hated by the very God that we're saying created them.
It's not compromised, it's compassion. It's not watering down the
word because I grew up in church. It's walking it
out the way that we said Christ did with open arms,
with an open heart. Another thing about faith, too, is
that faith sometimes puts us in a lull. Like there
(32:03):
was just this viral clip going on about some passes somewhere.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Black men need to obey the police, and there's a
whole other episode we can get into about what that
is right. But like.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
For so long, faith has been used as a point
of strength, but in many ways it's a point of weakness.
And it's important for us to remember that faith with
that works is dead, like going to the Book of James.
Like I said, my dad got that Master's of Divinity,
great Grandpa before him.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
You know what I'm saying. We are rooted in this
church thing. I live that it's a blueprint for how
I move in the world.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
But faith has to be paired with action, Like believing
in God should compel us to do the things that
we believe God would want us to do. Faith is
the engine and work has to be the wheels. So,
if we believe in a God of justice, why are
we not fighting for justice? If we believe that we're
making the image of a creator, why are we not
fighting to create new things like to honor God fully?
(32:57):
We have to show up and live out what we
think God is, who we think God is. Stop telling
me about the God that that inspired Jesus to turn
the other cheek.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Let's start talking more contemporarily relevant.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
About the Jesus who flipped the table when governance was
not serving the people, when it was unjust. Let's start
having conversations that are tethered to where we need to
be right. Because faith can free us or it can
lock us away, and it is up to our faith leaders,
to our community pillars to decide what that will be
for us moving forward. We've seen what it can be,
Like I said, we've seen it as an anchor of movements.
(33:31):
So if we want it to be something more, that
is a conscious choice that our faith leaders are going
to have to make in concert with community leaders. Go
find that why in and maybe you don't value otherwise,
figure out what it takes to get him and his
folks as members of your congregation.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
We have to grow the table. But in order to
grow the table, we had to truly be committed to
the idea that everybody deserves to see.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
There.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's it. That's all.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Now open from both.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'll be I'll be quick Angela because I have a
feeling I might know what Angela's called CTA is, So
I'll be really quick. And I'm pulling my CTA from
the luminary Nicole Hannah Jones who posted this, and I
thought it was so poignan for our times. And she said, folks,
there is only so much you can learn from social media.
There's only so much social media can teach you. Now
(34:22):
is the time for reading. So my CTA is read something,
read something this week. Not it could be a think piece,
but read a book. Read a book. And if you
are reading something good. A lot of people were in
the comments asked me what was the book you reference?
It was The Poison with Bible. If you are reading
something good and think I need to read it, how
at me drop me a comment, let me know what's
what's on your list of reading. That's my only CTA,
(34:45):
just real quick, just on the famous book, Timmy, you
just said that I actually have a book coming out
my birthday at June seventeen, I turned thirty three.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
The book is coming out June eighteenth. The book is
going to be called The Fire right now. It's gonna
be in a moge to James baldw The Fire Next Time,
which is really just a social commentary about that. I
would love to get you guys copies. So I'm gonna
as soon as we get over this, I'm gonna send
you all the man would love to have you guys
read over it. But yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'm gonna read.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yes, that's amazing and I can't wait to read it.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
What publisher you are?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I'm just gonna independently publish it right now. I know.
I'm putting it on Amazon. Give me that.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
Don't do that, give me that, No, don't do that.
Give me the manuscript. I gotta I got two imprints.
I want to send that too.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Let's let's talk about vatory connectors.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
Before you sound it's too hard in our humble opinion,
let's door connected.
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I'm gonna gethim to.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I'm gonna get him to. Leonard tiff is really the expert.
I got a book manuscript and sit in my backpack
for three months. That's another story. But Leonard has an
imprint and so does Kent even Candy, so let's get
that to both of them at least might call to
action before I do that. There's something that's just on
my heart. Yesterday Chloe, who does a lot of our.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Social media with Ange.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Chloe's been running point on social medias and common Strategy
first State of the People in tandem with It's about
twenty five committee members, but Chloe has been drowning in
the amount of graphics.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
Right.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
There's a number of people supporting, but I was like, Chloe,
do a crash course. Some of these people are good,
but that you need to get them to your level
or they just might want to sharpen tactics. You know,
things change so fastly, fast, so quickly. And Chloe did
a crash course yesterday. Fifteen young people showed up. Me
and Vince Andrew crashed it and I missed most of
(36:38):
it because we were onboarding the LA leads for the
State of the.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
People Power Tour.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
On the end of the call, I got so emotional
because I was thinking about Chloe being in the professional
development program, where Andrew and Tip have also participated. It's
our opportunity to train young people in several areas public policy, podcasting, media,
other areas. In pr we mentor them, we give them
(37:04):
the tools. There are gurus that participate in that program.
Chloe has been in that program now since last February,
and it's by choice, it's not by forrest every semester.
But Chloe when she started was very shy, very reserved.
In the process, lost her father and kept and wanted
(37:24):
to keep working around Marylyn Moseby's petition in particular, she
Dovan was doing a ton of work and on this
particular project with State of the People, I've seen a
different side of Chloe, a clear communicator, a confident soul, beautiful, gracious,
patient soul, and I'm seeing a tremendous leader, like a
(37:45):
tremendous leader. And she led this graphics course yesterday and
I missed most of it, but at the end, I
just felt so much pride. And I'm about to cry
again now because to me, that's what this movement is about.
You all coming on here, that is what it's about.
When we go into these ten cities. That is the
(38:06):
type of community coalescing that has to happen for our
survival right now. And so I just would ask, whatever
your gift is, whatever you put your hand to do,
whatever your brain moves you to do, whatever gifting you have,
come and be a part of this broader.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Community that we're building.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
And we go into cities on the ground, starting in
Atlanta on April twenty six, be a part, like no
gift is too small, No gift is too large. Ti,
we need you on the stage. I'm gonna talk to
Victory about that too. You are a necessary part of this.
And we to Tip's point earlier, she knows I'm gonna
say it, we do need more young people involved. We
want to get this right. We need our elders involved.
(38:45):
I don't want to brush over. We need our veterans involved.
We are engaging all parts of the black population on
the black papers right sharing policy ideas. We have black
papers dropping every single week. We need y'all's experience and intelligence.
It's and brilliance there. It is state of the PPL
like literally because y'all know it's too many domains now,
(39:06):
So STATEUPDEPPL dot com. I employ you to sign up
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Speaker 5 (39:16):
Guys. We need you, We need you, We need you.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
This this conversation was amazing and we extend the rest
of y'all. Please send in your comments, your videos.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
You know you are.
Speaker 6 (39:25):
Welcome home, Ty Victoria, welcome home. We can come back anytime,
and so Kim Marley. We hate Marley had to drop,
but thank you so much, thank.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
You for everything you.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
How many days the midterms.
Speaker 8 (39:37):
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Speaker 8 (40:12):
And Tiffany Cross. Welcome home, y'all. There are just five
hundred and sixty five days.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Until the midterm elections.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
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