Knuck If You Buck: NLP Unfiltered with Roland Martin

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome, all right, welcome home, y'all. This is episode seventy four.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Dang, it's episode seventy four.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Already we are I know right, we know no anyway.
Welcome to Native Land Pod, Episode seventy four. I am
here with my beautiful, wonderful co host Angela Ry. I
was trying to beg her to be in New York
with me today, but she is running all over trying
to save the country. We are not.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I got time to save this count.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
You are absolutely what are you trying to save us?

Speaker 5 (00:35):
People?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You had to save us?

Speaker 5 (00:37):
Now?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
You got me?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yes, and we I think disproportionally uphold democracy in this country.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
So we thank you for your service. And then where's
our other co hosts? Where's Andrew?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Andrew?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Where are you?

Speaker 6 (00:53):
What's up? Angela, Tiffany, my man Roro, thank you brother
for me. That's where I am. Well, not a lot
of guests, and if you can, that's NATURALI are those
amazing twin rockets that are so symbolic of being a nacess.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
I can't be with y'all on the show today Live
because I am Saparoni in my twins fifth grade overnight
field trip and Angela tiv Ro.

Speaker 7 (01:22):
You know, there was not gonna be an overnight trip
with my daughter that I wasn't gonna be on.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
So there it is.

Speaker 8 (01:28):
This is where we're at.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
I'm Michealle and I'll see you have a good show, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
A man, where are the kids?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
They're around?

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I thought that they were. I wanted to see my
niece and nephew. Where was Caroline and Jackson Andrew? I
want to see you, Well, you want to skimp out
for work? I want to see my nephew and my niece.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
May So what are we talking about today?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
What you got Angela?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
So? I want to talk about something that we began
to discuss on the song, which is why white folks
are so scared of black history. We're seeing that with
the executive order on the Smithsonian Complex as well as
with what happened with the National Park Service website. So
I want to talk about that and how we fight back.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I love that. Well, I want to get into there
was a report that came out about the dirty black
men at HBCUs. But it's really across all higher education,
so I want to get into that. So you guys say,
stay tuned for that.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
But as you heard from Andrew, Wait you know what else, tip,
we also need to talk about Maba. It's make America
broke again with the tariffs. Yes, so we gotta get
I just start calling them maba though Maba.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, you just came up with something Maba. Let's choose
introduce that to the lexicon. Yes, we gotta get we.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Get an introduction.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yes, Andrew spoiled it, but we are joined by the
amazing Roland Martin today and Angela.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
I know you look like you were at an Atlanta
bruntch spot with that background, So that's where you at.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
So I'm in Seattle. This is where I always record,
and that just demonstrates you don't watch our show. Maybe
you'll watch today.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Maybe maybe you got no levity because the point was
like the wall the.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, I'm clear, I'm clear, but at the same time,
so to break up some of this, what I do
want to say is, in addition to hosting Roland Martin Unfiltered,
Roland has also launched an app for the Black Star
Network has a channel, YouTube channel killing it for many

(03:40):
of us. Roland is where we started doing TV. And
Roland has been a lifelong journalist, literally reporting on breaking
news since he was in high school and that is
still his passion to this day. So we are very
thankful for your contributions to the culture, to facts in
fact checking, to debunking all of the it's out here

(04:01):
and just making sure that black people feel like there's hope,
knowing what the path forward could be and how we
can navigate tyranny and fascism. So we appreciate your service
and thank you for all of the mini pathways and
ladders that you provided for folks in our community.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
We're very grateful, appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Yes,
there is hope, there's always hope, and we are shooting
this and this, you know, it's one of those things
we talk about. This week to April ninth is the
one hundred and twenty seventh birthday of the Great Paul Robeson,
one of our alpha man but we rarely ever mentioned

(04:41):
him when we talk about civil rights activists, warriors, freedom fighters,
and he truly is one of those folks. And also
this week in Black History, yesterday as sorry. April eighth.
April eighth was the day Hank Aaron broke the Major
League record. We often talk about Jet April fifteen being
Jackie Robinson, but I think we should make April eighth

(05:02):
an annual Hank Aaron Daton god risk of the souls
of both of those brothers.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I love that role. Thank you for all that black history.
You are a walk in black history.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
All right, well, let's get it. Let's get into it.
So let's kick off the show. Welcome Home, y'all.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
All right, One thing I want to talk about that's
been heavy on my heart, and Angela you touched on
this in your solo pod this week, and that is
the Blacksonian. I am very concerned about this administration setting
their sights on the Blacksonian. We won't get too deep
into it because I want to encourage everybody. Please watch

(05:42):
angela solo pod because she did you know, the National
Parks and Walks you through it. But I just want
to say, I'm willing to lay my body down in
front of that building, like we just we can't tolerate it.
You know, the Board of Regents met this week. I
think it was reported that jd Vance was there.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I am not.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
He didn't go good. That is good news because we
don't want him at the Border Regions meeting. But what
is the latest with that? What do people listening need
to be concerned about and what can we do to
save this wonderful institution. When I say the Blacksnian for
our listeners who may not know, of course, talking about
the National Museum of African American History and Culture, the
one hundred plus year long project. It is our piece

(06:21):
of history that is on the National Mall in the
nation's capital of Washington, d C. If you've been one time,
or if you've been twenty times, it's not enough. It
is a spiritual experience to go. The basement is intentionally
tight and small, which and it takes you through history
as you go, as you ascend in the museum, and
it's tight and small on purpose to give you the

(06:43):
feeling as best we can of what Middle passage was like.
So I'm very concerned, But Angela give.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Us the latest.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Yeah, I just want to say that I think it's
really important for people to understand, especially for our diverse
audience of listeners and viewers, that this isn't just an
attack on NMAHC. It is also an attack on all
aspects of the Smithsonian, which includes twenty one museums and
a complex of research entities, science based entities, educational grants,

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and also the museum properties in and of themselves. So
what we're up against right now with this executive order
that Donald Trump introduced on March twenty seventh is that attack.
They talk about woken doctrination. There are terms that they
use as points of question that have been resolved when
you look at historical facts. I don't know where that

(07:36):
I've had the executive order printed out. Maybe this is it, Yeah,
this is it. So they talk about being frustrated with
the prior administration for sponsoring training by an organization that
advocates dismantling Western foundations and interrogating institutional racism, as if
we shouldn't be doing that right. And so, what I

(07:58):
talked about yesterday most was the fact that we are
not just dealing with people who are trying to disrupt
what we know, trying to destroy history, but also trying
to get rid of any form of accountability. I think
ultimately what this gets down to is can they destroy
what we know to be fact about history enough so

(08:19):
that they are not accountable for reparations, restorative payments, restorative justice,
equity and equitable outcomes. And can they get us to
stop saying things like racism still exists the places where
elected officials last cycle we're stuttering and stumbling over themselves
not to say that America is a racist country. It

(08:41):
is and it still is in Project twenty twenty five
and in this twenty twenty five. So that is I
think where we are. You can certainly lay your body
on the line and in front of a building, but
what we really have to understand is the places that
have been deemed rightfully are is the small portions that
are the fractions of what we actually deserved are rightfully ours.

(09:01):
We need to fight for all of that. They're even
saying that the Martin Luther King Monument, because it's on
federal land, could be moved, could be destroyed, they could
try to get rid of it. And I'm interested to
see them even try, because you know, they love to
take that content of your character line out of context.
So with that, I'll defer to you row and hear
your thoughts about what next steps people can offer. They're

(09:24):
saying that in some instances, they will return people's donations.
They've done that with other quasi government entities, and so
why wouldn't they do this here? Is it doesn't matter
for us to tell people to raise money right now?
Should we be telling people to become members of the Smithsonian?
With all that's on the line, What is the best
way for us to preserve this given that we have

(09:45):
seen one successful fight with the National Park Service at
least putting Harriet's picture back up, at least acknowledging that
the underground railroad exists. So I are existed. So I
want to hear from you Row, what do you think
about next step?

Speaker 5 (09:58):
So I think I think what folks have to understand
is that let me actually bring it back and come forward.
That is one. As you said, Credit twenty twenty five,
lay all of this out. What you have here, All
of this is an absolute response to twenty twenty, the

(10:20):
murder of George Floyd, and the response to it. Their
greatest fear is the next generation of white folks waking
up to the reality of what America really and truly
has been about. So in twenty twenty one they attack
Black Lives Matter. Twenty twenty two, they attack critical race

(10:42):
theory twenty twenty three, they attack WOKE twenty twenty four,
they attack DEI. All by design, it is to completely
eradicate the black economic and civil rights infrastructure and all
that comes underneath that. So civil rights economics, now you
talk about history. Now you talk about institutions. Now you

(11:05):
can drill further down. You can talk about HPCUS, we
talk about black owned businesses. And so this is really
what the master plan is. And so our response, as
far as I'm concerned, has been haphazard. As how I
see this, I fundamentally believe that our civil rights organizations

(11:28):
have been frankly asleep at the wheel, have not provided
adequate leadership in this moment as to what we should
be doing. The people who are fighting valuable are the lawyers.
So you have the legal deal. So you got all
these different fronts. We have to approach this like a war.

(11:49):
When you have a war, you don't only fight a
battle in one spot. There's a front here, here, here, here,
and here, So you have the legal front. And so, uh, listen,
I love South and so I'm always dancing. But what
I understand is this is not a moment of rest.
We must be sitting here saying how do we protect

(12:09):
what is local in our neighborhoods, in our cities, states,
then nation, because their goal is to go after all
of that, And so what we need to be saying is, Clay,
what's our place. So all of these folks who gather
on Saturday with Indivisible, I certainly support that, But my
concern is not half a million or a million or

(12:30):
two million who gather on a Saturday. What are those
half a million, million, two million doing on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
And that's really really where we are. And so I
need people to understand this is not something that's just
about next week or next month or next year, or well,
the Democrats win the House, then no, no, no, this

(12:53):
is literally and I have been saying this since two
thousand and nine when I was on CNN and speeches
sometimes joining this is literally a war for the next
one hundred years, and we have to approach it that way.
And this is not a moment for black people to
be checking out. This is a moment for us to

(13:14):
be strapping up.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
You know, Angela, we should talk about this later because
Angela and I worked up. Before the show, we were
chatting a bit about meeting the moment. Angela did a
substack on ways people can meet the moment, so be
sure to check that out. But also we talked about
people like complaining, you know, and like how can you
meet the moment? So maybe we'll do that on our
mini pod. But I really appreciate your point row about

(13:39):
what we have to do, and I love your multi
pronged approach, you know, protect your local community, protect your state,
protect the country, like it does have.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
To bubble up.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
I'm a little concerned though, because you know, I think
this is not the mess we create it. So I
do understand black folks feeling like, you know what, hands up,
like y'all got it. I saw some pictures of when
all the protests were happening, and it was like pictures
of black people eating brunch, and you know, a whole
array of people who don't look like us protesting, and

(14:09):
it was a diverse coalition of people. It just wasn't
a lot of black people out there.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
And that's fine, Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Yeah, I let them do that. But while they are
doing that, we're also doing so our own stuff. Yes,
I'm just saying it can't be all rest, all days,
seven days a week.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
No, I agree, I agree, Yeah, I know, I appreciate
your point.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Go ahead, Angela. You know that is.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Really frustrating to me because I'm trying to figure out
how argent I really don't. Honestly, sorry, young folks, I'm
about a three y'all under the bus because I think
most of this narrative is and it's not all young people.
Shout out to Lolo and Chloe and Jail and Jim.
We got a bunch Mary, pat Hector Victoria like shout

(14:57):
out to all y'all. I ain't talk about y'all. Jerry
is through some young men in there.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, they don't audience don't know who were talking about,
but we're saying that's the world.

Speaker 9 (15:04):
They know.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
They know I'm naming young people right now. What I
want to say, though, is for their cousins. I'm tired
of y'all because I don't know what you think about
the Montgomery bus boycotts and the fact that it took
over a year. I don't know what you think when
you consider the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Was the.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
The what am what's the word I'm trying to say
the the what.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
The result of a culmination?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yes, that's the word. Executive producer Lauren and Loft camera
feeling it completing your sentences.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
I was like, this, what is this word? This word?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
She understood the culmination.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
The culmination of decades long work. There is a reason
why there was a Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six.
A lot of folks were talking recently about the Civil
Rights Act of nineteen fifty seven that strom Thurman was
filibustering against the record that Corey Booker broke for Senate

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floor debate. The reason for that is because those were
the pillars. Those are the foundation, the Thirteenth Amendment, the
fourteenth Amendment, those were the pillars of the foundation that
became the civil rights movement. So it is ridiculous for
us to think that in a moment like this, where
all of our rights are on the line, and I
would argue, quite frankly, even the Equal Protection Clause, even

(16:31):
the Fourteenth Amendment is on the line, Why would we
now say, child, that's on y'all.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
No, it's not.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I am not putting my salvation, liberation, or life in
the hands of white folks. I already know what they're
gonna do. I'm not talking about allies and accomplices. I'm
talking about the ones that are seeking to still kill
and destroy and have been doing that for two months
and have been effective at dismantling and erasing a lot
of our progress in two months. I'm not about to

(16:58):
let them fight that battle line on our own, and
I'm not about to be talking about resting. Let me
tell y'all how I'm resting right now. I'm waking up
in the middle of night like, well, I forget to
do Okay, I'm resting right now.

Speaker 9 (17:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I want to talk about that though, beause right, And I'm.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Not suggesting that that's everybody's call or response to the moment.
What I am saying is do your breath work and
then get your ass up taking that and then go fight.
Let me get your eight hours. If you can take
your eight hours. But for some of us, because of
the age, were we don't get to sleep like that
no more. Do what you gotta do, but then get up.
You have a role to play. Were not all playing

(17:32):
the same role, we don't all feel the same part,
but you still got to do something right, y'all try
I know.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Sorry, before I come to your road, I just want
to I just want to say real quick to Angela.
A lot of our comments are people concerned. They're like,
you know, how is Angela. We want angelote rest so
that people do make comments about the importance of your rest.
But I appreciate your point that you're still out there
and I'm coming to you, But I just want to
make that point because so many people are always asking

(17:59):
me personally or they leave comments on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yes, I read out comments.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Y'all know when it's time for me to rest, because
I literally will get on here screaming and crying, and
then y'all should say, please go take a nap, leayo
ass down.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yes, but you got to rest before that. We know
what I'm saying. I don't feel.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Like the gospel song. I don't feel no waste time
right now. I am energized right now. This isn't my
season of rest. This is my season of action. You
follow your season. But I'm telling y'all that are feeling
that your time to rest and be in a sabbath
and to be on a sabbatical. I'm telling you, y'all
not reading a room and I'm telling you it ate

(18:37):
the Holy Ghost is talking to you. It's something else,
maybe heartburn, maybe frustration. But y'all listening to the wrong signals. Yeah,
since this ain't the sinning and we can't feel a buster,
we'll be back after this break.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Row.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I just want to say you a frat brother. Doctor
Mari Luther King Jr. Was twenty six years old when
he led the Montgomery bus boycott. This is a young
person's movement.

Speaker 9 (19:06):
What you got?

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, So I so all that is absolutely correct, But
I'm gonna put it another way. And I did a
whole video of this in my show.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Oh he got a pin out, it's got to be good.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
No, no, no, no, no, I had it. I had it.
So this is this is what I need. This, this
is what I need. I need. I need everybody who's listening,
who's watching, to truly understand this. Gen X, Millennials, and
Gen Z these are this is the generations that are
what I call post civil rights movement babies. Those three

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generations have been making withdraws from the Black Bank of
Justice and have not made reciprocal deposits.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Now follow me, say again, say it, damn again.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Now follow me. I'm not going to talk about the
federal laws. I mean people to really understand what I'm
talking about. The reason we're where we are today because
that was a generation of black people, baby boomers, who
went to the city council meetings, went to the school

(20:23):
board meetings, went to the county commissioners meetings, so to
get single member districts, created the MWBE programs. That generation
did the ground work, not in Washington, d c. But
in cities across the country, in neighborhoods across the country.

(20:44):
They fought for funding of our parks, repavment of our streets.
My parents never went to college, but they were co
founders of the Clinton Park Civic Club. So I witnessed
this at the age of nine. All the way through.
The problem is my dad, within a few weeks will
be seventy eight. My mom will be seventy eight November.

(21:06):
They are tired. My parents were preci They worked elections.
My mom was a precinct she was a precinct judge.
They were tired last year from working elections. They worked campaigns,
phone banks, putting up signs, all those different things. So
we are here because those people did all of that

(21:28):
work while we get to reap the benefits. So now
the question is, which is what Angela was talking about,
which is what Tiffy's talking about. Where are our deposits,
Where are our deposits in the bank of Black justice
for the next generation. What we've done is withdraw, withdraw, withdraw,
And right now the balance is real low, and in

(21:50):
some places it's a negative balance. And that's the problem.
And so young the people y'all named.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Those people are usual nam bank, you are out.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
Precisely, And so people are sitting now. It's like, well,
you know, let them do it. Hell no, because right
down too many Gen X, millennials and Gen Z are
still asking baby boomers to do the work. They're still
asking for baby boomers to go to the march, to

(22:23):
plan the march. They're still asking for baby boomers to
go down to the council meeting. No, this is the
moment where your ass must step up. And that's the issue.
When Tiffany brought doctor King up twenty five years old
Montgomery buzz boycott, but it was Joanne Robinson and the
women of Montgomery who actually who actually conceived the idea

(22:45):
of the boycott. Seeing him, those folks were following after
a Philip Randolph, and so it was a generational thing.
But we cannot continue to ask baby boomers who are
now in their seventies and eighties to keep doing to
work while we sit our asset brunch, while we hang out,
or we take multiple vacations, or while we check out

(23:08):
of the process and sit down on the couch. The
reason Black voter turnout is down is not because we
just so just checked out. It's because the black infrastructure,
going door to door free syncs voter mobilization. Those people
are retired or they died, and we have to somehow

(23:29):
wake the hell up and realize now is our time.
You've been bitching about the baton. Now it's tap for
your ass to run the race well.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
And then here's the thing. We have some folks too
that are interested in running very different races, right, Like
there are some folks that are like, I'm about that money, Maine.
That's what I'm talking about. Like at all, at all times,
I only want to talk about what my economics look like.
Don't necessarily understand how the politics of things impact your economics.

(23:57):
For example, I know we're gonna hit tariffs. That has
everything to do with your economics, you know, micro and macro.
We have folks that only want to focus on breathe.
I want you to be with me in this bread,
to be in your soft girl era. That's nice, bitch.
I can't wait to arrive. And also this soft girl

(24:18):
got some tough fights, right. So there are these things
and I'm not dogging any of those intersections. What I'm
daring you to believe is that so long as we
exist in a democracy, we still have to hold up
the pillars up that thing or work constructively to dismantle
the thing. And the thing that I think is so
important is we have a lot of ideas and too

(24:41):
many of us do not get in the streets. Don't
go dough or door row. To your point, even if
they're not asking you to go vote, how are you feeling?
What issues are you having? Where do you need relief?

Speaker 9 (24:51):
Like?

Speaker 4 (24:51):
That's part of what we want to do with the
State of the People tour. We have been talking a
lot and not listening at all. We have not asked
people what their most basic needs are, and we've been
sending them to the government that now is telling you
to hell with what you paid into. We actually aren't
going to provide your most basic needs. So we're getting
back down to the basics of what African culture has

(25:13):
always taught us, and that is to look out for self.
That does not mean that you should relinquish your responsibility
to a system that is supposed to be there to
serve you, particularly when you pay into that system. But
it does mean that we are no longer in a
position to rely on this thing to meet our most
basic needs, despite the fact that it should.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
If it doesn't, what do we do?

Speaker 4 (25:35):
And that is where we need to be right now.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
When I travel the nation and people go, man, bro,
what we gonna do? This is literally what I say,
And this is what Ella Baker says. This is literally
what I'd say to every person. What are the three
things you care about?

Speaker 4 (25:54):
That's good?

Speaker 5 (25:55):
They go what you meaning? I said, what are the
three things? Is you care about it? And then look
at me, They're like economics, okay, what about economics? See
I'm forcing the drill down. What do you go? Education? Okay?
So a guy was like education, I said, are your parent? Yeah,

(26:17):
you got a kid in school? Yes? But great? Told
me the grade?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I said, you're in a ptaight, No, you get to
them school board meetings too.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
I said, can you explain, I said, I said, I
need you to explain to me. How do you care
about the education of your child? But you're not in
the PTA, but you want somebody else to be advocating
for the changes in your school and your district. I said,
I'm trying to. And then what ends up happening is
I'm forcing them to have to buy into the game.

(26:49):
What we like to do is we like to sit here.
And somebody posted the video yesterday of an uncle going
off on his son and his nephew who are both
seventeen because they can't spell, and he's going off on them. No,
I'm going off on his ass because how could you

(27:10):
be the dad of a son and the uncle of
a son and seventeen years went by and your punk
ass don't know they can't spell. See, I can't make
demands of somebody else if I'm not doing it myself.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, but ro let me ask you this though.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
So there are two things that you raise it I
think are important for us to wrestle with even from
And this is where me and Tiff normally fight the
compassion and empathy side of this, right, So somebody says,
You're like, well, you should be at these meetings. Some
of our folks feel like they are so unheard and
so invisible, then it won't matter if they show up
to that. So how do we get them to a

(27:50):
point where they feel like that matters. The other thing
you said was we need to buy in. I'm trying
to get them to buy into the game. The second
part of my question is should can we be buying
into the game or should we be advocating to change
the rules so the game works for us?

Speaker 5 (28:06):
Okay, so the first thing. First thing, so because I'm
a fundamentlyle believer of going micro macro not macro micro.

Speaker 9 (28:13):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
I if I am concerned about education, I've raised my
wife and I raised six of my nieces. We're driving
in the car. When we in the car alonger than
fifteen minutes, y'all gott to be reading the book. Oh
you got to read out loud because I need to
hear you pronounce words. Okay, So that's micro that's in

(28:35):
in my house now. When a teacher said something to
my niece about one of her ptraits, and all of
a sudden, my niece, Embert was now questioning things. She
never question stuff. We were like, hollo, what her spirit
has changed? But what the hell happened? Oh, we went
to school, got that teacher removed. Then it was like okay,

(28:56):
then we're going to the school board. So it was
level level, level, all right. So that's one. The second
piece is if I want to change something. Doctor King
said this is April third, nineteen sixty eight speech Black
people individually are poor at Mason Temple, the last sermon
he gave. He said, black people individually are poor, collectively wealthy.

(29:18):
You as an individual have limited power. You as a
collective have a lot more power. We have to be
willing to say. And when I say collective, collective doesn't
mean well. We called a meeting and we invited one
hundred people. At eight showed up. Well, guess what, talk
to the eight. Tell the eight to bring one person
next month. Now we got sixteen. We have to get

(29:41):
people to understand that you do have power. But you
have power if you begin to say, let me work
and talk with others in my own neighborhood, I just
I believe house street, block, neighborhood, city state as opposed

(30:02):
to top down right. Doctor King was like so I
need everybody watching you can do something, but stop trying
to change five things. I need to pick one thing
you care about and say I'm gonna work on that
one thing and start there. But I need you to
start somewhere.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, let me just say I think you know because
we've been highly critical of younger people and people in general,
and I look, I don't want the audience to think
this is criticism. It is a call to arms, a
call to action, and I just want to acknowledge that
never like the times of the Montgomery bus boycott were different.

(30:39):
That's not excusing young people like I echo everything Angela
and Roe have said, but there has never been a
time in global history where we have had this much
access to so much information at our fingertips. And I've
said here before, we are asking people to care about
everything and they wind up caring about nothing. So what
the level of discipline that this takes is to filter

(31:01):
your feed, not just your social media feed, but filter
your time and what you're doing. Another thing I say
all the time is everybody saying what I would have
been doing during the Civil rights movement. Whatever you're doing
is what you're doing that that's what you would have
been doing during the Civil rights movement. So you have
to be intentional and think about how history will remember
you in this time roll you talked about you. I

(31:22):
know I'm saying the original pivot.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
TI if I want you to answer this because Roland
used as an example his response to his nieces and
how they got the teacher or his niece and how
they got the teacher removed. There's somebody at home who's
gonna hear that and say, but that's Roland Martin, right,
that that is someone who they feel like they have

(31:45):
to respond to. I want us to just appeal back
a layer on what it means to be empowered, even
if you're not Roland Martin going.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
To the school. You know I did it because my
mama and daddy did it, and they weren't Roland Martin.
My mama and daddy. My mama and daddy. Daddy worked
for Amtrek, mama worked at the insurance company. Claims. They
weren't on television, they were on radio, but they cared
about their children. I witnessed them pushing teachers. I witnessed

(32:17):
I remember one teacher called the house and she was
complaining about you know me in the classroom. My dad
was like, I'm sorry, is it your job to run
your classroom? And so so I witnessed that. All I'm
saying is if we care about something, and this.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Is not even forgetting your row, I just paused one second,
because this is what I want. I'm trying to get
us to think of. There are points of privilege that
we have. You were raised in a two parent household
with parents who were acting, and that's not bad, that's great.
Two parent household, parents who were active in politics, active
in your schooling, had jobs that were keeping the lights on. Right,

(32:57):
that's not everybody's testimony. I simply right, similar background, but
also went to pub I mean private school first through
twelfth grade, and then went back for law school. So like,
that's not our experiences aren't everybody's experience? So tick For
the person who comes from a different set of circumstances,
where can they call on their power if they didn't

(33:20):
see it at home, if they don't see it in
their community.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Where do they go?

Speaker 5 (33:24):
What do they do?

Speaker 4 (33:25):
How do they respond?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And I appreciate you drawing that distinction and that difference,
because it is a point of privilege to you know,
the way that some people grew up. I'll quote Alice
Walker here and just say, the most common way people
give up their power is by thinking they don't have
any and even as an individual, you have power. I
left home when I was sixteen years old, and I look,
let me just say, I had an issue with our

(33:47):
forever flow, this our beautiful, wonderful first Lady Michelle Obama.
But she gave a speech to Baltimore students and she
was essentially saying like, yeah, the schools may be a problem,
teachers may be a problem, but it's still up to you.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
You have to make change.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
And I remember at the time thinking, well, that's kind
of a challenging thing to tell students, you know, who
are suffering from every pinpoint in their life and they're
navigating a very challenging system. To bypass this system that
you don't even understand as a child, fix it and
then somehow be successful. Or when you go into classrooms
and you say you can be anything you want, a
lot of people are literally asking, no, but how do

(34:23):
I get.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
From here to there?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
What do I wake up tomorrow and do I did
a talk with Colin Kaepernick, and he I asked him
this question about investing. You know, like what you know
you're saying this, you have access to all these funders,
Like what is the person who has a great idea
who doesn't have anything?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And he said you can literally say in the.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Chat GPT, how do I and fill in the blank,
how do I protest? How do I influence a law?
How do I participate in the city council meeting? When
is the next city council meeting? When is the next
school board meeting? So I would say to Roland's point,
whatever it is that you care about, you do have
some power. What I suggest on this show before if
you and this is not necessarily for people under eighteen,

(35:04):
this is for adults and young adults, you will be
surprised if you get the next time y'all talking about
having the cookout or just gathering folks. You get twenty
people in your house, you can get a member of Congress.
You get twenty people in your house. You can get
somebody running for the states in it. You get twenty
people in your house, you can get a council member.
They want to go where the people are, and you say,
I have people here who want to hear from you.

(35:26):
That is organizing. That is again, grassroots doesn't mean that
you have to be poor. Grassroots means I'm organizing in
my neighborhood and you can gather people, come up with
your list of demands.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
And that's why right there, right there, because that's what
when when I talk about privileged you parents, this really
a bunch of those folk who joined my parents with
Civic Club. They were single parents. But this zib basic.
I want to make this thick again, folks, this is
very basic because this is literally how the Civic Club started.
If you were in your neighborhood and you said, man,

(35:57):
I'm sick and tired of all this damn litter in
my neighborhood. Okay, you talking to your neighbor and y'all go, man,
it's a damn shame we got all this litter. All right,
The two of you say, we're gonna ask five six
other people. Are you stick of the same thing. Yeah,
next Saturday, we're gonna do a street clean up. We

(36:19):
don't have to ask permission, we don't have to call
the city, the state, the federal government. We're gonna get
some trash bags. We're gonna clean this street up. Now
you may sit here and say, okay, what the hell's
that got to do with anything? Because what then happens
is somebody says, well, man, next month, we should clean
up two streets, we should do four streets. What happened

(36:41):
with my parents, well they it started, That's exactly how
it started. Then they were like, well, man, what we
do by these overgrown uh these overgrown lots, these empty
empty houses. Well who okay, well we don't own the house. Boom.
They okay, somebod with the city. That's that's how they
got a cut. Then it was like, well, how do
we get rid of these uh these uh, these potential

(37:02):
crack houses. How do you now begin to uh mark
abandoned buildings? Then that thing begin to go. Then they
begin to go. Then they went, well, you know what,
we need some new streets, and we need some new
street lights, and we need this, that and the other.
Ask the city council person. It's a body election boom election.
So guess what happened? Part get refurbished, new streets, new

(37:24):
lights system, but it's started with trash. Yeah. All I'm
saying for people is there are things that we can
do to begin to affect change that doesn't require permission
from anybody. It requires somebody saying, man, we need to
change this. And that's what I am simply saying. More

(37:46):
of us need to say what do I care about?
To change this and stop waiting for somebody to come
with the fix. You literally are the fix.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Well, I would just I would just add to that
that I think first before we even get to that,
there are some people that simply must believe. We have
to give people something to believe in. And there are
lots of people, yes, but some people are but ro
my point is that there are not. Sometimes people don't

(38:17):
even have the spirit to hate trash. Some people say
I hadn't seen that piece of trash or all this
trash in my neighborhood. Right, that's just background to me.
We have to give people the power to tap into
their imagination. What does democracy look like? If you get
to shape it, if you get to draw it, if
you need to speak it. Now, there are some levels,
you know, there are levels to it. There are some
people who already believe and they just need, you know, direction,

(38:40):
but there are there is an underbelly I think of
society that has that's apathetic and has just backed out.
I dig right, I'm agreeing with you. We have to
give people something to care about.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, so we remind them of what it was.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
I was so interested when Rowan you were saying you
asked people what are the things they care about? I'm like, Oh,
I want to hear all those answers. And also I'm
just I was thinking tip when you were talking about
Colin saying you can say this in chat GPT. Some
people don't have phones that can get to chat GPT,
and that's the only electronic device they have. We got

(39:16):
pep black folks throughout the South who don't have access
to broadband internet, and this MF in the White House
is cutting access even more. So we literally have to
in this moment. I would stretch us to say, let
us keep thinking about solutions that aren't through the lens
of our default, which normally is the blind spot of

(39:38):
our points of privilege, whatever they may be, Like, how
do we go and get the least of these?

Speaker 9 (39:43):
You know?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Like, what are those ways? I don't have the answer,
but I do want us to think about it.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I think that's a question for the audience, and I
would love for the audience, y'all drop us a line,
drop us a comment on YouTube, on our Instagram wherever
you follow us, and let us know your thoughts there all. Right,
on the other side of this break, we're going to
get into Maba. That's right, We're getting into these tariffs.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Broll.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
You made a really good point about young people taking
out making withdraws and not making deposits. And I want
to talk a little bit because some of us gonna
have some overdraws coming up soon with these tariffs, and
I think a lot of people, you know, it's been
kind of blanketed on the walls of cable news in
their coverage, but just for quickly for our folks to

(40:36):
know tarriffs are. They're basically attacks brought in a place
on foreign goods that are brought into the country, and
it's usually attacks based on the value of whatever you
are importing into the United States. I'm gonna talk a
little bit about this on the other side, but first
we have a very unique and special correspondent. We have

(41:00):
pulled her video because she does a great job of
breaking this down. Angela found this video and send it
to me and I loved it. So let's take a
listen to her and then we'll pick back up on
the other side.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Hello, and welcome back.

Speaker 8 (41:13):
A lot of you all have said, Rashanda, you're not
a mixing spoon, but you stay sterring things up, and
to that, I say thank you. Today we're here to
discuss something that has a lot.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Of you all confused, but I'm here to help.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
It's really very simple.

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Let's check it forard Ah.

Speaker 8 (41:27):
The word of the day is terriff, taff, terriff. A
lot of you all are confused on exactly what this
word means. Teriff equals tax. It is a tax imposed
by the government on goods and services imported from other countries.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (41:46):
America is a country, so it's Canada and Mexico. They
are all in North America, but they are different countries. Okay,
all right. We also have countries outside of North America,
like China, where we get ninety nine point nine percent
of our items.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Okay, you all are confused on a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
We have big.

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Items like cars, computers, iPhones, houses over here that need
to be built. Okay, those things are made up of
smaller things that we get from other countries. Okay, And
you're wondering who's gonna pay this tax? The answer is
you right, because everything's gonna go up.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
This is what is happening, all right.

Speaker 8 (42:31):
Do you all know that on a highway when there's
an accident, it slows down everybody. Many people are injured,
some people die, and then you get up there and
find out that somebody was playing chicken with a mat truck.
That is what America is doing with these other countries,
and it's affecting all of us. The stock is down

(42:51):
because people are scared to purchase items.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
They want to save money.

Speaker 8 (42:56):
Okay, they understand that everything's gonna go up because of this.
Do y'all understand what I'm saying. Big things are made
of small things. We get many small things that you
all don't even think about from various different places. Okay,
this is a terror.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Sad with me.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Terror is a tax, and we will pay for it.
Pay attention.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Thanks, all right.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So she got such a great job that I just
I want to give a little bit of context though,
because this really will directly hit your pocketbook, is if
it hasn't already. This really is about tensions with China.
China is our biggest trading partner, and this is Donald Trump.

(43:44):
Like our wonderful reporter just said there, this is Donald
Trump playing a game of chicken, and China has said verbatim,
China has said, look, we ain't trouble makers, but we
will not flinch when trouble comes our way. Now, I
want you all to understand why this impacts you. China
is integral for things that we use here, like smartphones, computers,

(44:04):
lengthium ion batteries, toys, video games, even things like screws
and other certain kind of batteries. We have been having
tension with China for a long time. At root of
that tension is trade, of course, which is where these
terrats come from. The status of Taiwan, which is established
as an independent nation, and there's beef around that Beijing's
claim to the South China seed. This is a huge

(44:26):
point of contingent for the US and the ongoing US
push against growing Chinese influence in the Indo Pacific region.
These terrarists will not just impact the Asian economies, They're
going to hit us directly. China and the US are
trading partners. They're our biggest trading partner. We imported four
hundred and thirty eight billion dollars worth of goods from

(44:48):
China last year. The US exported to China one hundred
and forty three billion dollars in twenty twenty four. Our
foreign policy hawks here have been warning and sound the
alarm on China. But I want you all to understand
that what happens globally impacts what happens here domestically. If
this is a standoff, if China is saying knock, give

(45:10):
you buck, and Donald Trump is saying, well, I'm I'm
ready to knock, I don't know where this goes. What
I do know is who will pay the cost, and
that is us, the consumer. If we were to manufacture
smartphones here, they would cost around thirty five hundred dollars.
We have some of the cleanest, nice, nicest working conditions
here in the country. CEOs will find a way to

(45:32):
pass that cost on to the consumer. We will not
have it even Laura, Lauren, what did you say?

Speaker 9 (45:38):
You?

Speaker 6 (45:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Sam here, take and see ya and squeeze it in. Lauren,
is our ept over.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I went to buy a new microphone.

Speaker 9 (45:48):
This is last Thursday, April third, and it cost me
sixty dollars more than it would have had it gone
in a week a week before. It's from Germany, so
it's our European affected.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Wow, tariff tax?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So how much was it total?

Speaker 9 (46:04):
You don't even want to know. It's embarrassing forty dollars.
Oh my god, that's the obviously first world production problems.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
But that gives an example.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
No, no, no, no, no, no no no, let's let's
don't here. Here's what I think we have to understand.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Bro, you're not about getting take head, are you.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
No? No, no, no, no, no, not no. It's a
it's a money. The United States economy is thirty trillion
dollars a year. Economy is nineteen trillion dollars a year.
United States is the largest economy in the world. But
seventy percent of the United States economy is consumer spending.

(46:44):
Seventy percent. Why is that important? Because when you talk
about and this is where Americans have to start having
a real conversation with themselves. What is Walmart's phrase, low
loo prices? We love cheap goods. The reality is companies

(47:07):
love maximizing profits. You want cheap goods, Wan maximize profit.
I gotta produce things places where I don't pay them
a living wage. We have to understand exactly what this
economy is now. Frankly, I believe what Trump is doing
with tears is inside of trading. I believe what's going

(47:27):
on is that. And we saw this. Madre Taylor Green
made some purchases right before the tars were announced. I
believe that they're a group of people who are stock
market tanks. They can swoop in grab significant portions of
these companies at lower prices. Look, what's already happened. Trump goes, Oh,

(47:50):
I'm kicking these tears in. How many times is he
now back down? He's now backed down again? Oh, I'm
gonna wait ninety days. So we went through multiple days
of stock market dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping, which means stocks
are now cheaper. If you get a stock that was
one hundred bucks and it's now seventy dollars, hell, I
could buy that seventy. I could buy that one hundred.

(48:11):
What did Lauryn just say, I bought a microphone this
week higher than I got it last week. Well, the
stocks now their Lord, these people are playing in an
economic game. This is an administration that's about oligarchs, billionaires,
the look give a damn bout working class people and
all these idiots. And I'm gonna call them idiots who
voted for Trump who were running around going, oh, he's

(48:32):
a Christian.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
I just love him.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
That man does not care. He does not care what
I've seen one of the videos. They're like, I love me.
He's a drump. That man is a Christian. He cared
about us working people. No he don't. He wouldn't let
y'all ass walk through one of his hotels. This is
about the raping and pillaging of the economy and the
people who say, well, oh yeah, I saw this clip

(48:56):
Fox and Friends, Lawrence Jone, Oh man, you know and
all these people you care about the regular people? No,
he don't. These people are Trump is the is the
vehicle by which they are deriving benefit elon the contracts
do slash stuff of the right has does to do
with the working people. And this is a byproduct of

(49:18):
what happens when what we say earlier, we check out,
we sit on the couch, and now it's like, oh
my god, what the hell's happening? Because they took advantage
of American appath.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
We're headed towards that.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
What's going on right now?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
What you say, I roller skates.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Yeah yeah, Like all the lights are flashing like this,
and you know, I take your point role about the stocks,
and I think that's one of my challenges too, about
the media. They talk about the economy as though it's
the markets, you.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Know, and that is not Well, that's because it's it's sports.
You gonna remember. You gotta understand. You gotta stand sports America.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I do I understand sports more.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Oh lord, real quick, let me.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Just ask Tip, Tip. Are you excited about the final four?

Speaker 6 (50:08):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (50:08):
The n cua A Championship results.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I'm so excited about that. I I have so many
thoughts on it.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Hold on, now we go on their next row. Who
won the girls game?

Speaker 1 (50:20):
First of all, the road to get there for the
women and the men was everywhere you went. People were
talking about it. So I don't have to say who won,
because the audience obviously knows who won. But I just
want to say, they played their hearts out. Okay, I
watched both teams. Both teams, the women played their hearts
out and the men played their hearts out. So congratulations

(50:45):
to the and I'm so excited for you guys. I
talked to us about Angela.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
As you know, that sounds like in college where you
had to have a word, a word minimum or a
page mineral paper, and then you ain't had nothing to say,
so you start adjusting the margins and the type and
the font.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yes we do, Yes, we do. Connecticut beat our girl Houston.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
No, no, it's the other way around.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Tip Houston lost to the University of Florida, and we
know that Roe is not happy about that. I actually
was rooting for the black coach to just soay. You know,
Calvin used to coach at Washington State. Kelvin I'm sorry,
used to coach at Washington State, and he is the
oldest coach to have ever made it to a championship game.
So it's said that he.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Didn't even on a man's side.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
On an on the men's side, yes, Connecticut side.

Speaker 6 (51:48):
I was died.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
So yeah, the Connecticut coach. When they won, he became
the oldest coach to ever win a championship on the
women's side.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
I was going to say, you won a dozen, now
twelve didn't, So I brought up sports.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
This is what you have to understand when it comes
to economy. It's stock marks up. Stock mark is up,
sock park is up, sock marks up. That's how That's
how they had the conversation. I remember when I was
at CNN and I would go on these business shows
and alivil she would invite me on the show. And
why Ali liked to invite me because I talked like
a regular person and they would be sitting here and

(52:23):
I'm like, y'all, no, don't nobody talk about stuff like
the way y'all do. So that whole thing is designed
seeing BC Bloomberg, Fox, business is designed to go. It's up,
up and up and up, as opposed to talking about
what's actually really happening, what's going on here, that's that's
not what they're is about cheerleading. It's about cheerleading. And

(52:45):
you're not gonna see any of these business shows put
on the table. What the hell is this being deliberate?
What is going on here? And so we have to
understand these people are playing an economic game at a
level that's far above the average person. When you've got
the average family, you know, when you look at the
median average income of an individual plus is a family.

(53:08):
These folks are playing the point two percent at the
top and so and they're using the rest of folks
as pawns. And the problem economically is people, Oh Trump's
a great businessman, ignoring bankruptcies, ignoring people who he still
owes money. Hell, he's trying to do a ninety million

(53:28):
dollar military parade. He actually still owes Washington, d C.
For that ridiculous fireworks display when he was in that
last time.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
So a military pray that happens to fall on his
seventy ninth birthday, by the way.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
So they bought into the height. And if there's one thing,
and I hate to give them any credit, but the
reality is this here, which is a lesson democrats have
to learn. And we're seeing this, even with the deportations,
all that sort of stuff like that, they are produced.
He is his This administration is being produced like a

(54:03):
television show. And what they are doing is they are
established the establishing and creating a narrative. Tim Read, the
great actor director, had a meeting with Bill Paley when
he was a show Frank's read and Payley was asking
him about his show, and he said, what's your propaganda, folks,

(54:23):
Tim goes, I'm making art. He says, no, young man,
every television show is propaganda. That's what they're doing. So
where democrats have to understand Christy Nolan playing dress up,
this is on a television production because we are now
in a social media media driven world. And if I

(54:45):
give you the impression that I'm acting, you think I'm
doing a great job. Well, all this is tied together. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, well this show is no propaganda. So we're gonna
take a quick break and come right back. So it
was a piece in the Times this week about the
dirt of black men. They a lot of people like

(55:14):
picked it out and said it's HBCUs, but it's really
across all higher ed But black men account for twenty
six percent of students at HBCUs and this is down
from an already low percentage point at thirty eight percent
in nineteen seventy six. And this is according to the
American Institute for Boys and Men. Take a listen. We
have some sound from the assistant provos from Howard University

(55:37):
who helps put this in context.

Speaker 7 (55:39):
The campus experiences is significantly impacted by the imbalance. Right
at every educational institution, we want a diversity of experience,
and so when you don't have as many males in
a classroom, that diversity of experience is significantly impacted. It
even gets even more scary when we trace it forward, right,
I think We're dealing with some really unique statistics right now.

(56:02):
Black males, as we will dive deeper into this in
a moment, are graduating at a much lower rate than
black female.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
And that's across all college, across all.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Colleges, not just HBCUs. And so this drop in the
past decade has been seen more drastically. But the reality is,
this is not a Howard problem. This is not an
HBCU problem, This is not a PW Eye problem. This
is an American education problem.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
So that was Calvin Hadley, He's the assistant provost at
the beloved Howard University. For all the Howard people watching, HU,
I'll let y'all fill in the you know part, But
you know ro We brought in this segment listening to
the men of Morehouse welcome in the incoming class at
Morehouse College. And I appreciate Calvin Hadley making that point

(56:45):
that this is not just HBCUs, this is across the board.
This is a bigger problem.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
What do you make of this?

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Earlier I said micro macro, macro micro. So I'm gonna
use this pit. This is college. College is the end
of the education process. To understand why it's low here,
I now got to go high school, middle school, elementary school,

(57:15):
which means when you roll back and you begin to
look at education rates, you look at scores, when you
look at reading and math scores. When I earlier also
say when I criticized that father's video social media when
he was mad at his son and his nephew who
they couldn't spell, that's right there the problem. You cannot

(57:36):
begin to assess the issue when they're high school seniors.
You got to go back even further. And so we
have a system, we have a community. So you have
a system problem, and we got a community problem. We
got a system problem, a community problem, and a family problem.

(57:59):
I just got to be see too often, Let's just
be real clear. A lot of times as black folks,
we don't want to admit we got a family problem,
but we do. And so we have to now begin
to look at this as an eighteen year issue. What
is happening? Pay through twelve? But as Jeffrey Canna said,
we got to happening. What's what happened when that kid

(58:20):
is in the womb, The average black child is actually
coming out of the womb, is already behind the average
white child because of pre day don't care. So what
we have to recognize is that even even down what
we talk about, so what is going on elementary, middle high,
what's happening when you're the lack of black male teachers?
How do you now begin to change that conversation as well?

(58:42):
One of the reasons, and I've had a lot of
black people getting mad at me, They're like, man, why
do you support school choice? I say, I support school
choice because if there is a system that allows black
people to be in control of the school, in control
of the contracts, in the control of the hiring, damn,
I want us to control it because if that school

(59:04):
is not doing the business. Shawn Hardener here in Washington, DC,
brother was a public school teacher. And again, whatever your
position on charge, it doesn't matter. But he was a
public school teacher and black boys were failing in this school.
Sean decided to start his own black male charter school
the same black boys that were failing in this school
or were succeeding in his school. What I say is

(59:27):
public schools go to his school and say, what the
hell are y'all doing to take boys who were failing here?
For succeeding here. If you do not confront this issue, elementary,
middle school, high school, college is going to be the
end result. The second piece is America, and I'm not
talking about let's steer all of our black boys to trades.

(59:50):
But we also have to recognize that whether you black, White, Latino, Asian,
not everybody is trying to go to for year institutions.
There are also two year schools. Sixty five percent of
all jobs in America, sixty five percent can be trained
in community colleges. And so how do we now begin

(01:00:10):
to say I need you having a skill set? We
had trades in the schools in the sixties, all of
a sudden in the seventies they were there as well.
A lot of black parents were like, Yo, why are
y'all pushing our kids into these trades as opposed to colleges. Well,
then happens, trades came out of the schools. So we
have a lot of people who are book smart, who

(01:00:31):
can pass tests, but can you get to have no
skill set? So we have to have a complete change
with education. When we talk about college and we talk
about technical skills. Kenny King College in Chicago Community College,
my wife had worked there com Ed created a nine
month training program. This is what the people who climbed

(01:00:52):
the power that climbed the polls in the power lines.
If you completed that nine month training program and got
hired by com Ed, starting salary was eighty five to
ninety thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Well, the power is fifty easily exceeds fifty thousand dollars
a year.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
So the point I'm making is when we look at
these type of stories who's in four year schools, we
also have to look at the shift in this country
on how education frankly is becoming so expensive, is keeping
people from coming out and not I said Howard, but
even at public institutions, the TU issue is lower. It's
economically bad for people and they're like, I can't take

(01:01:33):
on that fifty sixty to seventy eighty thousand dollars a death.
So it's a multi pronged issue. But for our community,
bomb Line elementary school, middle school, high school, our boys
are not doing well and we've got to confront that
problem when they are K especially K through nine, because
by time they get to high school, in many cases,

(01:01:54):
educationally it's a wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
But you know, Angela, I was thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Point role.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
It's all those issues you just name, but also the
lack of cultural competency in our school system, the you know,
prison school to prison pipeline, the way that our you know,
young boys are over policed essentially in every part of
their lives. Just the I don't know, it's like this
trail we create. And then I think about these young

(01:02:22):
women on college campuses, and there are so many of
them and so few black men, and you think, what
impact does this have on partnering for them in the
future if they want to have families in fact, right exactly,
and so then what you have is the erosion of
the black family. You see a lot of women getting
what they call spike degrees, you know, like there's nobody there,
so I'm gonna, you know, keep pursuing education.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
And people do that anyway because they want to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But there are some women who say, you know, after
a breakup, I did this, And then you have, you know,
this tiny percentage of men who are graduating school who
you know, I'm the shiz now because there's a whole
lot of youths and not a lot of mes, And
I don't know, I just see this really impacting our
society in an adverse way. I don't know what advice
to even offer for this, because I see your point

(01:03:08):
roll with the pipeline, But then I think about the
current landscape and what some of these young women will
be facing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
I don't know, but I think what is important for
us to remember in this moment is again the same
kind of conversation we were having earlier around the disastrous
impact of what they're doing in the piecemeal destruction of
African American culture, in black culture and black spaces where

(01:03:34):
that have traditionally been safe for us, that were designed
to ensure that we could advance, whether they put a
barrier in place or not. And so them going after
affirmative action and going after equity programs and going after
DEI is what is leading to this. So again, just
because it was renamed DEI around a diversity, equity inclusion,

(01:03:56):
around the murder that we all witness for nine mens
in thirty seconds on camera of George Floyd, does not
mean that black people haven't been striving for equitable outcomes
for centuries.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
The father of affirmative action is a black man. Was
a black man named doctor Arthur Fletcher. He was a Republican.
There was a time when even the Voting Rights Act
was a bipartisan bill, even introduced by John Sinson Brenner
from Wisconsin when he was the chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
What has happened, arguably even more so since Barack Obama

(01:04:33):
was elected, is they were like, Okay, we wanted y'all
to overcome, but not overcome us. You know, we wanted
we wanted, we wanted you all to be on you know,
good footing, but not equal footing. We wanted to maintain,
maintain we could be in similar spaces, but keep that
unequal even if we don't continue down the road of
a plus versus Ferguson. Now they're trying to take us

(01:04:55):
back to a plusy versus Ferguson era around accommodations, around access,
around board of directors, participation, around c suite executives. They
do not want us in equitable spaces. They do not
want us in leadership. And so what we have to
understand is that it is all up to us. And

(01:05:15):
so when Roland is asking people on the ground, what
are the three things that you care about, what we
have to understand is that whatever it is that we
care about from clean drinking water to property taxes that
result in a good school for our kids. Whether it
is how much we pay in taxes, whether it is

(01:05:37):
whether or not we live in a food desert or not,
it is all impacted by policy and politics. So at
some point we have to understand that our participation is
required if we want to see our circumstances change.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
And be careful with language, Be very careful with language.
There are a lot of black people, and I've heard this.
I'm the chat on my show man. To hell with
this DEI white women were benefiting anyway, Okay, all right,
the DEI jobs that were created, yes, seventy five percent,

(01:06:13):
almost eighty percent with white folks. Hotly get it. Let's
take contracts. Last year, more than seven hundred billion dollars
was spent on the federal government white in the MWBE
category AN or the Women Business Enterprise w shuld WW
for white women. White women dominated the category. In the
black space, we got less than two percent, but it

(01:06:37):
was a record ten billion. Now follow me right here.
Let's let's break that party. A lot of our people go,
see that's some bullshit. We got less than two percent, correct,
but it was a record ten billion. So what now happens?
We talked about DEDI man, I ain't defending DEI well

(01:07:00):
in Wisconsin because of the band eight hundred thousand dollars
in scholarships for minority students wiped out. In Minnesota, a
program for to recruit and incentivize more black teachers now gone.

(01:07:20):
So I totally do I have white women benefited more
from a firm action. Absolutely, that is fundamentally correct. But
what I am not going to do is agree with
the erasure of programs that have benefited black people and
I want to build upon that. Then somebody will tell me, yeah,
that's just the black elites, that's just well, the reality

(01:07:43):
is there are a whole host of people who benefit
from programs in place. I am not interested in seeing
progress go away and say well, we can get it
back when we know how real hard that is. The
fact of the matter is, when it comes to this
education piece, if you eradicate the programs that are about
creating more black male teachers, that number is going to decrease.

(01:08:07):
If you get rid of these programs about providing or
incentivizing programs for black kids and who are special needs
or in other areas that's going to decrease, and so
we need to be very careful, very careful when we
start aligning with white conservatives whose agenda they agenda ain't

(01:08:32):
got nothing to do with. Ohio, we fix the problem.
Oh no, it should be color blind. Colorblind. Well, I
had a state center from Texas on Gudieras who challenge
a white Republican anti DEI bil He said, I'm sorry,
He said, we have one hundred and forty plus executive

(01:08:53):
directors of agencies in Texas, two Latino men, two black men,
ten white women, and one hundred and twenty white men.
He said, in a state that's sixty one percent minord right.
He said, Oh, you're trying to tell me you can't
find them. So we and I hear this all the time, anglativity,
We are speaking of our stuff. Not realize it that

(01:09:14):
we're actually aiding our own demise because they go see
so and so said that, so and so said it,
They said, hell with this DEI stuff. The programs that
benefit us are actually wrapped up in those same and
that same umbrella. And it's the problem because when they
go away, it's going to be hell trying to get
it back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Well, ro I hope people paid attention because you dropped
a lot of gyms today and I know that we
have kept you a long time. So it's time, boys
and girls to get to our CTAs. I love that
you kind of gave one roll on. I feel like
everything you said on this podcast has been a CTA.
But pay attention to DEI. I'll go first with my

(01:09:57):
CTA and then I'll pass the mic. I c t
A is. Please, don't be coming around here talking about
sports being a farewether sports fan. If you didn't even
watch the nuble A, the n C Double A.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Final, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Championships, Like, if you ain't watched with the rest of us,
don't be out here talking about the teams.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Okay, congratulations championship.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Well, the NAACP, I happen to know there are members
of the NAACP who love the n C Double A
and so I just got them confused. But my point is,
congratulations to the two champions for the women. The on
the women's side, Connecticut. Okay, on the men's side, it

(01:10:43):
was Houston was defeated by the Gators, by the Florida Gators.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
So if you're gonna talk about sports. Please come correct
and know what you know. That's you know, That's all
I got.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
And when you come to Seattle, Sis, I'm going to
have you come to see Mama Oparade. Please because in
Eddie Rice's house, like it's not an option, like you
watch it sports. The only thing I won't fool with
him on is watching the Mariners, especially not now Mariners.
Y'all really need some damn help. But yeah, you're gonna
have to come watch eddie ros game. He plays the

(01:11:18):
entire game, well I think he no, he coaches and
he's playing the whole game, so he's worn out like
he is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
He's like, what you're doing past the ball? He jump in?

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
He I mean he literally. Yeah, So Bro, you could
come to, but Tiffany's to come so that she learns.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I've been pressing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I would want Papa Ride hit me up. I would
love to come watch a game with you. We have
a lot of things we could do together.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
So yeah, she wants to be high with my dad
to she wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Put you out there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Poppar Ride is a sports drop squad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
He does it for glaucoma.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Smells okay, Well I'm gonna do this squad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
Okay, yes, well we're excited about that. Roland sounds like
he's signing up for a training too. And with that,
my CTA is this, It's very simple. Save Act is
supposed to get voted on this week. Please make sure
you call these members who are silly birds who think
that this's a good idea to prevent a woman from
utilizing her birth certificate if it has a different last

(01:12:20):
name on it from her marriage license and now therefore
her driver's license, she would be prohibited from voting in
some instances. We don't want to give that type of
discretion to states or fed these fans, because these fans
move a little different. Also, I want you, guys, since
you like to petition your government and call two zero
two two two four three one two one to reach
your members. I also want you to blow up Roland Martin.

(01:12:42):
And here's why Roland is running a great program. Roland
is we call him big Row Row Row. Often he
can be a little stubborn. And Roland has not yet
signed up to participate on the State of the People
Power tour. So I want you to text him. I
want you to email him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
I want you to be in I'm not done.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
I'm not done. On his YouTube comments. I want you,
in his Instagram comments, I want him. Every time he's
saying something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Be like Roland, where you at? Why you not do
the State of the People paratry?

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Yet?

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Rowland's gonna tell you it's very expensive to move his team.
And he was supposed to check dates. Let me tell y'all,
he was checking dates three weeks ago. We've been having
this conversation for three weeks. So go ahead and tell
Roland that he's missing out. And since he likes to
talk to black people on the ground, you want to
see him in your city.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Below his ass up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
That's the best CTA. What you got ro what's your hat?

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
To do?

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Something?

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Smart phone scrolling? I don't know what he about to do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
He's trying to pull a receipt. He gonna end up
wrong with his feelings, hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
And whatever received you pulled, have a call to action.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
It's gonna be wrong. Whatever it is is gonna be wrong.
He's gonna see that. He told me he was gonna
check his schedule and he would hit me back tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Remember well, no actually hit you back. First of all, now,
first of bar, First of all, let's be real clear, y'all.
Angela sent me a text on Monday, March twenty fourth,
at seven thirty four pm. Okay, tweet with regards to
the tour. My response was what tour? She asked me

(01:14:18):
to sign up to something. I'm like, what tour? Then
she tells me the tour and Roland says on c
date she sent me the dates. Roland responds to Angela,
most of these dates are week days and I have
to do my show.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Do your show from anywhere else?

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Any costs for me to bring my team on the road,
So see, costs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Are real and raise money. You raise money for your
show for folks.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Who are in Raleigh, North Carolina. Roland will be broadcasting
from Raleigh a Saint Augustine's town Hall on Friday, April eleventh.
I'm doing this without Angela's permission. Is we take the

(01:15:04):
show on the ground. We do these things.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
Ignore you guys. Remember my call to action investing. We want.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Programs in coalition with black.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
I'm trying to I'm trying to tell you when you're
moving six people around, it ain't that simple. But but you,
but you are, You're more than You're more than willing
to say checking money order to peel box five seven
one ninety six Washington d C to zero zero three
seven that zero one ninety six. You can also course

(01:15:41):
to help pay for Angela wanted me to be on
this tour. You can get our shirt to don't blead
me and vote for black women at Blackstart Network dot com.
Here's here's my call to action. Uh and it is
really basic and fundamental, and it's really repeated what I
said earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
And all the aren't during the week, by the way,
because you like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Eighty five percent of them are doing the venture. So okay,
all right, so don't make me have to go back
to the text. Okay, So here's my Here is my
call to action, which I laid out earlier. A lot
of you are despondent, a lot of you are depressed,
a lot of you are still grieving. I don't know
my show's ROLLERD unfiltered, so let me just go ahead
and see it. Get the OVERD. Vice President Kamala Hair

(01:16:24):
has lost on November fifth, WHOA wow, I was focused.
I was focused. I was focused on the Wisconsin State
Supreme Court race. On November eighth, black people turned out
thirty seven percent of the early votes in Louisiana defeated
those four MAGA constitutional amendments. Sharratte Jones lost the mayor's
race in Saint Louis significant black population. She lost. Her

(01:16:49):
opponent got sixty four percent of the vote. We didn't
turn out. There's a mayor's race in New Orleans and
the black candidate covert will not win. That you've got
good latorial race is happening if the Virginia, if they
hold a House, Don Scott becomes maintained Speaker of the House,
first black speaker. I need people to be focused on

(01:17:10):
what's next. Stop talking about twenty twenty eight, Stop talking
about twenty twenty six, focus on what's happening in twenty
twenty five, and then build twenty twenty six. But we
as black people, if we vote at seventy percent of
our capacity Angela's point, we win and now we can
impact policy. But y'all, everything you care about, economics, education,

(01:17:33):
health care, at all, it all has a direct tie
into politics. So the vote absolutely matters. But when the
voter is over, I need you to still be engaged
and go into those city council meeting and school board meetings.
We need black people in the process. The couch cannot
be an option.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Love that Role, hallelujah, Thank you Jesus, Thank you, y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Blow Rolling up, blow don't ahead, blow me up? Thank you?

Speaker 9 (01:18:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Make sure you tune into Roland Martin Unfiltered every day.
If you guys miss the show, he is nine times
out of ten still live.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
On x or on another platform live. We restream it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
But yes, okay, but it's it's called live on the platform.
Relax man, anyway, make sure that you tune in.

Speaker 5 (01:18:20):
Rolling You work your people too hard. It's three am.
I'm like, we're not awake, rolling down.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
I'm trying to tell the people anyway. It will show
up live. Just make sure you catch this restream. The
broadcast all the things, very informative, always has great panelists
and guests. Make sure that you tune in. And one
of my favorite things about Role, even though y'all we
really do fight like family, my favorite thing about him
is that he will absolutely always be standing up for

(01:18:52):
black folks even when it's unpopular. So Rollerie, thank you
for your commitment to the culture, even when it's hard
and you have something you're supposed to read on the way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I just wanted to thank you also because, as y'all know,
wrote saved us during our live UH coverage of the
d n C.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Yes, Angela and I have talked about this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
We truly love you, Row, and I really respect and
admire what you have built and all that you have
mentioned the culture, like Angela said, and it is something
to know that the day that you joined the ancestors
because Roe is always telling us who.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Joined, don't kill.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
But this is what I say, the day that you
join the ancestors role, there will be millions of people
who can say they will have a Roland Martin story
they learned about something to throw and the same way
that you broadcast all these funerals of people like you
will have that same love many years from now. I

(01:19:54):
wish we had an organ.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
I was just gonna say stores down. That's how I
was just ready to say a true scorpio fashion role.
I think one of the most the most telling lessons
from what Tip just shared is one thing we can
learn to do as a as a people is to
give people their flowers, their credit, their just due, and
our gratitude while they are living.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
So we are so grateful that she joined us a
lot because I was.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Any.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Sometimes somebody drives me crazy, you know, I always think,
what if they're not here? You know, like, imagine this
is the last time you'll see that person.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Worse, This is worse than the gators.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
What does she think?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
The sports rollers on my nerves?

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Now, if this Negro drop dead right now, have it
on my nerves, Not on my nerves.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I'm just trying to pour love into you, Ro. That's
my only point. I want people to know what we just.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Call to say we love you, and we mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
From the bottom of.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Api. I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:14):
And the.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Next time I do this, I'm gonna have me a
flower wall behind me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Oh that's a good idea role. Let me give you
your flowers. Hold on, let me take you in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
To literally give a role while Angela give it roller flowers.
I just want to remind y'all who are listening, please, please,
please be sure to subscribe to a native lampid.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
We are we across the hundred thousand. This is a subscriber.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Oh Lord, that flaccid flower that Angela's waving for those
who are listening and not watching. But yes, thank you,
and uh, but be sure to subscribe to our YouTube,
Native Lampid. We crossed one hundred thousand. We're trying to
cross two hundred thousand a lot, so we're trying to
be like then it took. Yeah, we were trying to
get roller Martin numbers. Here you go, there, you go round.

(01:22:00):
You got some flowers and are you looking?

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