WTF Nelly and Snoop??

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of our character.

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Speaker 6 (01:16):
Okay, well, welcome home, everybody. That was a mess. But
this is episode sixty three of Native Landpod, where we
give you our breakdown on all things politics and culture
and I'm very, very fortunate to be here with you
today with my co host Tiffany Cross and Angelo Rye. Ladies,
how are you greats.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm just letting freedom ring out here in these plagiaris streets.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Yeah, helloy, they letting snowfall down here in Florida. So
anything is possible.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Anything, Everything clearly goes in his day and age.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
I'm telling you, I'm reminded this morning when I woke
up and saw this white in the yard, in the
streets of my grandmother saying we living in our last days.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
And evil days.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
I just want to tell the audience what they just heard,
because not everybody watched the inauguration, but obviously Martin Luther
King day has passed, and so we started the show
with the authentic words of doctor Martin Luther King. But
what you heard immediately following that was a plagiarizer, essentially,
this preacher that Donald Trump invited to inauguration this past weekend,

(02:21):
which I know a lot of you did not watch.
But for the few of you who did, who was
cause playing Doctor King in the most disrespectful way. So
I don't know, Angela, the King family can sue, but
it certainly seems like he did not give credits to
the originator of those beautiful words and the.

Speaker 6 (02:38):
Middle of a quote prayer right supposed to be praying?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, I think that he was praying. He was also performing.
He did a little praise dance. He was might have whatever. Anyway,
point is, I don't know who goes to this man congregation,
but please call him for for an altar call.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 7 (02:58):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 6 (03:00):
What do y'all have? Tell me?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well?

Speaker 7 (03:02):
I want to get into briefly if there's time, because
we had a lot to get to in the show,
So if there's time, I want to talk about the
end the federal government ending the work from home policy
as soon as Donald Trump took office. I'm curious what
you guys think about work from home policies because this
is something that people are split on. But I really
want to dive deeper into that and explain to the

(03:24):
audience what this could mean for our politics, but more importantly,
what it could mean for DEI initiatives.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
Nice, Nice, Angela.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I want to talk about pardons.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
We know that the president, no matter who it is,
has the full pardon power constitutionally, and I want to
talk about how Joe Biden chose to use his pardon
power in his final days, even his final hours, versus
how Donald Trump chose to use his pardon power even
both of them on January sixth, related issues in his
first few hours as president.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah, well, Ronning, I guess the conversation. I love, love,
love for us to engage on this topic of how
black folks are supposed to interact with this new administration
working together? We not? Are there common causes? Are there?

Speaker 5 (04:08):
Not?

Speaker 6 (04:08):
Are their minstrels and useful tools in the middle of this?
And could progress in some way be gained without losing
our self respect, our dignity, uh, and obviously our commitment
to our democracy and to our people. So I want
to get into that with y'all. Two, So let's get
it started.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
So, you guys, I have been.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Really kind of filling the conundrum of sadness. You guys know,
I've been trying to be on my workout kick. I've
been so frustrated over the last couple of days. I
don't think I can remember a more miserable MLK day.
And I think as much as I hoped that we
would go out on a high note, I felt like

(04:56):
the Biden administration ended with such a lull cloud hovering
over it, and then we welcomed in Armageddon. So I
just I feel really frustrated about what happened with the pardons.
I want to go to like the low lower level
of frustration and then the high level of what was
to come, just in terms of chronology. But I just
want to acknowledge first something positive, y'all know. I like

(05:19):
to start with the good. The thing that I believe
the Biden administration got right about the pardon power was
pardoning a preemptive pardon, which is unprecedented for the January
sixth Committee witnesses, and yeah, the staff and the members,
and I think that that was necessary. You guys know
my biases. Congressman Thompson, his family. To me, he was

(05:42):
a remarkable chair of that special committee, and I was
terrified of what would happen to him, in particular in
the Trump administration. So he was Joe Biden was pressured
to protect him, and it took a lot of pressure.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
To be clear, it wasn't an easy lift, but.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It didn't take as much pressure for him to pardon
his siblings, which I've never heard anyone mention were in
harm's way, But he pardoned all of his siblings. Not himself,
not his wife, not his daughter, but all of his siblings,
many of whom I've never heard of as well. That day,
what he did not do was pardon our good sister,
our friend, Marilyn Moseby. Ninety seven plus thousand people in

(06:24):
this country signed on to a Color of Change petition
supporting a pardon for Marilyn Moseby for withdrawing her own
money out of her own retirement account after being in
the crosshairs of the Trump administration for many years, and
despite Marilyn Moseby having the same same prosecutor on her case,
Leo Wise, as Hunter Biden did in his case, they

(06:45):
could not see a connection. I'm going to go into
the details of that in just a moment, but I
will say I will draw a contrast with that into
what Donald Trump's administration does for the people who ride
with him, for the people who rode with him up
to January sixth, to stop the steal, to steal things
off of Nancy Pelosi's desk, to wreak havoc to the
point where Lisa Blunt Rochester, who is now a black

(07:08):
senator from the first from Delaware to be driven to
her hands and knees to pray for their safety against
violence of a mob of terrorists of insurrectionists. On January sixth,
twenty twenty one, he said, I got you, you had
my back. I'm going to pardon all of you and
commute the sentences of thirty plus people for the actions

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they took on January sixth, twenty twenty one. Meanwhile, meanwhile,
the Biden administration's bar and standard for what it requires
for a black person in this country to have gotten
a pardon is impossible.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
It is impossible.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
What happened in the White House over the last several
weeks is an abomination.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
And I'm talking about the ways in which.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Black staff, black appointed officials in the Biden administration had
to go to bat for Marilyn Moseby versus the white
staff in the administration. Y'all should be ashamed of y'all
goddamn selves. Like truly, there's no reason that you can
tell me that an individual who was selling kids virtually

(08:11):
to a for profit entity should have gotten a sentencing commutation.
But you can't see the fact that you're all of
the legacy of this administration in justice reform was built
on the backs of prosecutors like Marilyn Moseby and Kim
Gardner and Kim Fox and Araon miss Ayala and yes,
Kamala Harris. And when in twenty twenty Kamala Harris was running,

(08:35):
Marilyn Moseby had her back to ensure that the general
public knew that she.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Was not a top cop, that she was a progressive prosecutor.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
So to watch Maryland to left to be hung out
to drive for this because the people who continued the
case were Biden administration appointees and they didn't want to
leave the judge with egg on her face, and they
didn't want to leave Eric barn with egg on his face.
So now the person who actually had our backs is
left hanging out to dry. I got major beef with it,

(09:03):
I really really do. And I think it is massively unfortunate,
and you so negligent and reckless.

Speaker 7 (09:09):
You're black folks, who who is? Can you just tell
us you said somebody was selling kids to for profit?
That person got a pardon? Who is that you've got? Sorry?
I just want just for me and the other listeners
who don't know what you're referencing. Can you tell us
who that.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
There's a cash for kids scandal that existed in Pennsylvania.
If somebody has a moment, particularly on our production team,
to look up the name of the judge. It is
a very well known case in the Pennsylvania area.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
The judge was not pardoned. I don't believe I used
those words.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
If I did, you're talking about, yes, the judge was
taking paid right they were, Yes, I know who you're
talking about. Okay, I've had something completely different in mind.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Cash just yeah, Google cash for kids listeners.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, it's it's a well known scandal in the Pennsylvania
I did not if I said that he was pardoned.
I apologize. I thought I said that his sentence was community.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
You probably, which is I'm a misunderstood.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I'm trying to pause because they said they were mad
they couldn't hear us last week, so I make sure
I cut y'all off. So I want to make sure
your thoughts are complete. I'm done with my rant. I'm
just gonna repeat myself because I'm pissed.

Speaker 7 (10:17):
Well, I just you know, really quickly, can you say,
because you said Eric Barron and not everybody knows who
that is. He is the person who replaced her in Baltimore.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
No, he's not so.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Eric so the US attorney who was appointed after Robert Hirk,
who was the special prosecutor on the Joe Biden classified
documents case who said he was too old to a
stand trial, and Steve Shinning were the bosses of Leo
Wise under the Trump administration in the District Attorney's office

(10:50):
in Maryland. When Joe Biden came in, he appointed a
new US attorney by the name of Eric Barron. He
is a former state legislator in Maryland. He's someone who
Marilyn worked hand in hand with. Eric did not drop
those charges. I suspect it is because there was going
to be a revolt by all the white boys in
that office who were under the Trump administration and stayed

(11:12):
just like Leo did. Under Eric, he demoted Leo, but
they raised telling that office and said if he removed
Leo from that case, they were all going to leave.
And so I believe that Eric kept the case going
because of that. Eric and the judge both worked for
Joe Biden in the Senate. She worked on the Ethics Committee.

(11:36):
Eric worked on the Judiciary committee or worked with Joe
Biden during the Barack Obama transition. Eric went to the
transition team and worked to help get Lydia Griggsby her
first judicial appointment, which was in the bankruptcy court space.
She has no criminal criminal court experience whatsoever, no criminal

(12:03):
law experience.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
That is the judge.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Those are two Biden appointees who I suspect this is
not what was reported to me, but I suspect that
was the reason, an additional reason beyond this public corruption
bucket that they forced her into that they didn't want
to pardon Maryland.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
Well, I know that's a lot of weaving, but I
think is important so people know how this works. You
know that everybody had a role to play and to
pay attention to who these judges are that are being
nominated and who you know US attorney and State's attorney.
These are people, these are elected positions, So that's what
that matters. I just wanted to remind our audience about

(12:40):
j six because you brought that up. And Donald Trump,
as you all know at this point this week, pardoned
every single person who was involved in January sixth. He
said he wasn't going to pardon people who were violent
and that's not true, and I want to remind you.
Pam Bondi, who is his nominee for attorney General, faced
confirmation hearing this month. Last week and she was asked

(13:05):
about pardoning January sixth people, particularly those who were violent
against law enforcement. I want you to take a listen
to her answer.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I just want a flag for you. He did not
pardon every single person. He also commuted some of the sentences.
I think it's fourteen people, so I just want to
make sure that was a good point.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
But either way, they either were free at this point.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
So the House arrest bracelets exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
So take a listen to what Trump's nominee for attorney
general has to say when she's asked about people who
are violent with law enforcement. Let me be very clear
in speaking to you, I condemn any violence on a
law enforcement officer in this country. So she condemns any
violence on a law enforcement officer in this country. I

(13:49):
want you all to take a listen to this harrowing
testimony from officer Michael Fanone. You've seen him a lot
for the past four years, five years, now listen to
what he experienced on that fateful day on January sixth,
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 8 (14:03):
I was struck with a taser device at the base
of my skull numerous times, and they continued to do
so until I yelled out that I have kids. I
remember one of them distinctly lunging at me time and
time again, trying to grab my gun. And I heard
people in the crowd yelling get his gun, killing with

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his own gun.

Speaker 7 (14:28):
So you hear the hypocrisy here. And I have to
tell you, Angela, you know, being part of the ninety
two percent, and the things that black women do for
this country and the little reward, the little thanks that
we get. And I don't even want to make this
a party thing. I mean to me, it's just from
the country. Because Marylynd is a mother of two. This

(14:53):
should be something that everybody cares about. This isn't a
you know, a Republican can go through this, a white
woman can go through this, but somehow, oh, when it's
a black woman, it is this shoulder shrug, move on,
We don't care. And I take your point about White
House staff, whatever you're willing to share about that, but
I think that's so disappointing because it speaks to what

(15:13):
happened on the campaign, like, we have to fight within
the fight to advocate for ourselves, and the finding out
part is going to suck for all of us, especially
those of us who didn't fuck around, And to know
that there are so many people with in the administration
who did is disappointing. And before you all start with
the comments on y'all democratic shields and you didn't know
and blah blah blah, ain't nobody here a spokesperson for

(15:36):
the party. We are all here advocating for the health
and benefit of black people. And though Maryland's case is
something that Angelo worked really hard on to bring to
the light, I do want to acknowledge that there are
still over one hundred thousand black men and women who
have had their liberty taken away, who are living in
unconstonable circumstances in these prisons, from finding roaches in your food,

(16:00):
to not having access to healthcare, to women miscarrying in prison,
to violence from corrections officers, violence from fellow prisoners. Our
criminal justice system is god awful and it's only going
to get worse under this administration.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
I'll just say one Angela, I hear your passion, and
obviously your outrage and all of it is merited, and
I want to thank you, just again, out loud and
in public for everything that you did to shine a
light on this case and for me, while I love
Marilynd Moseby to the hills and back, she is representative

(16:36):
of a public official mustering up, summoning the courage required
necessary to take on institutional racism in the system. And
when she announced prosecution of those law enforcement officers, it
was a shot over the bow their direction that anywhere

(16:58):
they exist in this country, that they will be held
accountable if they run a foul of the law, even
if you have a badge. And to me, that's the
underlining through line that runs through through We can hear
all the stories that are out there, but I think
the through land that runs against why she could not
be pardoned is because we've got these Democrats, Republicans and

(17:21):
everything on the other side and in between, who will never, ever,
ever truly commit to holding law enforcement accountable to the
same rules and standards as we as everyday regular people
are held in America. They drew a line when they
went after Maryland, in the state of Maryland and her
own seat, and they were not going to make it

(17:43):
possible for an example to be set that a woman
who went after law enforcement who prosecuted them for bad
and illegal behavior would be able to come out on
the other side and say victory was had. They were
never going to make that possible and unfortunate. It's unfortunate,
But more importantly, I think it will send a chilling

(18:03):
signal to anyone else who wants to be the next
Maryland to not even try it.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
That's right, all right.

Speaker 7 (18:09):
I know we got a lot going on in this podcast.
On the other side of this break, we're going to
talk about black engagements, and we're gonna get into some
of these celebrities who performed at the inauguration. So don't
go anywhere. We'll be right back.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's not political for me.

Speaker 9 (18:33):
For me, the political part is over.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
He won.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
And you know, growing up, I was taught to respect
the office. So you know, Nelly's here and.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You did get a little backlash, but you were like, whatever.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
I don't I don't care, I'm doing what I want
to do.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
This is this is I'm not gonna beut words in
your mouth.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
But you you were really cool about it. You handled
it well. You came forward and you talked about it.
A lot of people wouldn't do that. Why why did
you come forward and talk about it?

Speaker 9 (19:00):
Well, because I think it's important that, you know, we
show some people have their own opinions about things, you know,
and sometimes things can get a little bit hazy and
in a way that everybody feels the same way about everything,
and that's just not it. I think certain people have
an outlook and I've always believed that you got to

(19:21):
walk through the fire sometimes to get results. And regardless
of what you feel about it, we as a people,
and I mean, you know, my heritage as far as
being African American, we've always had to work with people
that we may not have always agreed with to get
things done. And I think that struggle continues. But at

(19:41):
the end of the day, if the men and women
of this country can put their life on the line
for a president that they may not have voted for, I.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
Can definitely perform.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
Ya.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
So that was artist Nelly giving response in an interview
he did a couple of those following his performance during
the inaugural activities for Donald Trump. A lot has been
said about him and Snoop and others who have who
have participated, who showed up, who in some cases said

(20:14):
kind things about Donald Trump. Angela, I know you had
a clip of of of snoop that you wanted to
throw into Can we can we talk of that real quick?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
I remember when we were kids. I don't know where
you're from. It's probably different when we were kids. No
white kids wanted to be black. None of them now
braids tattoos.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
So you want to call each other that word?

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Hello?

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Yeah, So what do you think that's doing to their
people up top? So brainwise, you get what I'm saying.
So we got to restore order because in a minute,
they gonna be politicians and if they acting like niggas,
then they're gonna be looking out for niggas.

Speaker 10 (20:54):
I understand.

Speaker 5 (20:55):
So we need to funck this shit back up so
that way they can get back in their mind that
they against us. When that's it's too late now because
you have so many inner relation interracial relationships, and people
who have became family members. My grandson is white.

Speaker 6 (21:08):
I'm inter racial. I'm black and white.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
My grandson is white, so I have no racism in me.
I love white people, but I don't like Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
So that was Donald Trump I'm sorry. I was Snoop
making some comments about Donald Trump, and that.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Was from Yeah not that was not recent. I just
was saying, that's not that's not a recenter. That's the
same interview where he said, you know, if you're you know,
if people are pushing back on me for not liking
Donald Trump, your listeners are racist, that kind of thing.
So it's but those clips have been overplayed. I think
that it is important in this discussion to be able
to hold space for nuance. I'm gonna say some stuff

(21:47):
that I don't agree with because I'm conflicted, and I'm
definitely gonna say some stuff that y'all don't agree with.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Yeah, no, that's real. Well let me just example because
Ilhan Omar tweeted out. Congresswoman Omar tweeted out about all
the outrage that was being projected at entertainers who were
at the inauguration, appearing in either in support or certainly
in contract labor to the inauguration of Donald Trump, and

(22:15):
she said, we're making all this noise about the artists,
but what about the elected members of Congress, elected officials
who went out and told America to be worried about
this fascist who made the choice to be in attendance
at the inauguration, So y'all, I know y'all saw the
heat coming down. I know you've probably had your own

(22:37):
observations of what happened if you individually watched. I'm curious
to know, one, what do you think about the clips
that you heard. Nellie's obviously is in direct response to
this moment, snoops is he actually has not, as so
far as I could tell, made a public comment about
his participation in the inauguration, so we pulled from previous comments.
But how are you feeling about it? What did you think?

(23:00):
I will just first positive that I was probably most demoralized,
not by any of those comments necessarily, but by the
pastor who we played at the beginning. My spirit was
totally shook because I saw an arresting of the spirit
in the moral of doctor King being leveraged toward the
most antithetical figure today in American politics to what King's

(23:24):
vision was, and that felt like a low moment. I'm
curious to know if there was one like that for y'all,
or and or how y'all responded to this one.

Speaker 7 (23:34):
I'll stay on topic for this one. With these clips
we just heard from Nelly and Snoop Dogg, and I
think the most disheartening thing for me about hearing that
is the ignorance that is on display from both of them.
I don't think performing for Donald Trump at inauguration is

(23:55):
analogous to the people who serve in armed services by
any means. I'm so disappointed to hear how Snoop Dogg
describes his childhood. That may have been his experience, but
certainly white kids wanted to be black when we were
younger in the eighties, they were in the rap music,
break dancing, they were wearing black hairs out There's never

(24:17):
been a time wear right like literally since we've come here,
all the swagger and and everything we bring, all the
culture we bring to this country has always been widely
celebrated by people, not just across the country, but across
the globe. And I wish he had that level of
pride and and and level of information and knowledge uh

(24:39):
and was intellectually curious about it, which which he painfully isn't.
I did note that Nelly made his rounds, he didn't
sit across from anybody black. I would have loved for
Nelly to sit across from Joy Read on MSNBC and
have a conversation with her, Like, you know, sitting across
from a black woman is going to be a drastic
We're not going to go for the bullshit. So everything
you say you have to now stand on business and

(25:01):
defend it. So it's just disappointing to be honest with you.
You know, we talked and even with with Congressman Ilhan Omar.
It's no disrespect to her, but I think it's quite
the assumption that black folks do not hold that outrage
for those elected officials, for those folks in business. I
wonder what black people she's referencing, what black people she's

(25:24):
talking to on this very show. We have had all
the smoke for people who show up. We have in
the comments, people have smoke for people who show up.
People we talked to in our group chat have felt
away about not only the elected officials who are engaging
this administration as though it's normal, but also for entertainers.

(25:47):
I don't really expect a lot from entertainers, but I
do expect some level of acknowledgment of all the policies
that will directly harm these people. Can I just say
this about Snoop really quickly. He's also he disappointed me.
During the LA Mayor's race, he supported Rick Crusoe, who
was running against h then Congresswoman Karen Bass, who for

(26:12):
the mayor of La. Rick Crusoe is a billionaire developer.
He's known for he built the grow for our West
Coast friends. He's was a candidate but also a former
Republican who switched parties not before he ran. He was
the former UH president of the LA Board of Police Commissioners.
He was a cop lover who promised to massively fund

(26:36):
the LA PD. Now we all remember Snoop's music and
things that he said. He had a lot of fear
mongering over this dubious crime wave that was happening in LA.
And when it came down to what he actually did
for community, it was, you know, billionaire stuff, tax deductible
contributions to protect him. And I remember Snoop. I can't

(26:58):
remember the interview, so forgive me if this is not accurate,
but there was something that Snoop asked him for that
he did something for his football team or a field.
And I remember hearing this, like my gid, they bought
you cheap. If that's all it took for you to
endorse this man because you picked up the phone and
asked him for something and he called you back. They
bought you cheap. And I think when we organize, particularly

(27:20):
as black women and black men, all the black men
who are, you know, right beside us in this fight,
when we organize, we do so with the greater community
in mind. So I don't know, I don't like it.
I just I want these rappers to just if you
don't know, shutting up is free fifty cent Kodak Black,
Nellie Lowel, Wayne Sexy Red. I think she later changed

(27:42):
the baby and Snoop. This is just a handful of
people who I have zero interest in. I would defy
them to have some sort of intellectual conversation with anybody.
But they're out there talking politics and being uplifted like
mascots for white folks, and I find it gross.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I first wanted to just acknowledge that il Han's statement
was not directed at black people. She was saying people
generally in her tweet. I think, oh, she's not gonna mind,
She's not gonna mind. I think that it's important that
we consider that there are multiple people on every side

(28:23):
of this that haven't had the same smoke, So we
say for all of the parties involved. I will say also,
this idea of buying you cheap is a bi partisan problem, right.
Some of what I think I'm really wrestling right now
is we have for a long time if you reference

(28:46):
it all the time too, in conversations that you've had
with LB our friend Latasha Brown, who runs and is
a co founder Black Voters Matter, that we are often
voting as a part of a harm reduction strategy. But
what happens when the harm is not really really deuce?
What happens when the hemorrhage turns into a slow bleed,
but you're bleeding no less, we're all boy for cheap.

(29:06):
There were people calling Bill Clinton the first black president
because this motherfucker's playing a saxophone.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
So how cheap is that? You know what I'm saying?
Like he didn't even buy nothing, like he just oh
he doubt for us?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Why look at the welfare laws, look at the crime bills,
right Like, let's be kind of foral about that. So
I think what I'm really wrestling with here is when
you have people in elected office who or who are
running for office, who are paying attention to your needs
on a micro level. I'm not talking about a macro level,
and you finally get the attention that you know that

(29:42):
you deserve on a micro level, and you prioritize your
politics best based on that micro level interest. I am
frustrated about it, but I get it, and I can
use as an example. I'm so glad we talked about
the pardon power first because I can use an example
my rhetoric right now about the Biden administration based on
the fact that they did not pardon Maryland Moseby and

(30:04):
what that means to me figuratively, despite having done the
right thing for Marcus Garvey, who I would argue, I
understand that's what his family wanted, but I would argue
Marcus Garvey would be way more for the liberation of
black people who are still alive than clearing his record,
because he's a hero to us, no matter what Black
History Month or not, whether it's that or it's the

(30:24):
fact that there are people the CBC members who begged
the Biden administration for executive order after executive order, or
its Arian Simone who is fighting with every penny she
had to protect the Fearless Fund, trying to fund us
and couldn't get an executive action out of the administration
for that. So your lip service is great, but your
public service ain't.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
And then the people.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Who don't do either. I don't know that it's not
that much worse. And so when we talk about Snoop,
and this is my personal bias, my blind spot, my
point of hypocrisy, I love Snoop personally, I am frustrated
by the decision he made to perform at an unofficial
event during the inauguration, which is the Crypto Ball. The

(31:06):
man who ran that ball is a former executive from PayPal.
I don't know their business dealings. I suspect there is something.
And then Nelly performed in an official event. Rick Ross
also went to the Crypto Ball. I got personal beef
with Rick Ross Andrew, as you know, because he wouldn't
come through to your election eve concert unless he was
paid and fly down a fly flut flute out.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
He was trying to get flued out.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
So for me, I've seen where right the capitalism comes
into play. I understand their goals, and I also understand
that many of their goals are to aid and support
their community. I know firsthand the stuff that Snoop does
for the community. I also know that some of the
bias exists. The same way that I said, I would
be going Capen probably a little bit harder for this

(31:53):
administration that they've done the right thing for Maryland. At
the end, he softened his tone and his rhetoric about
Donald Trump because Harry Oh means everything to him. Harry
oways pardon at the end of Donald Trump's tenure. I
understand the shift. I don't like it because my big
letter politics always will supersede my little p politics. But

(32:15):
that is something that I've learned from having worked in
this space. That is a point of privilege that I have.
I would rather engage in conversation with my brother and
figure out all of his why than to tear him
down anymore in the public because I know the things
that he's done for our folks far outweigh this moment.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
I do not like it.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I would have preferred that he steered clear, you know,
But at the end of the day, these are the
decisions they made. I respected what Nelly said. I still
wish that he didn't go. I understand, you respect the office.
I try to respect the office. Right now, I'm having
a hard time because I don't respect the office holder.
I think that he's trying to undo democracy. It is
hard for me to look at everything that happened in

(32:56):
the last Trump administration and give this dude a pass.
And that said, Andrew said he wanted to call this
black engagement with this administration.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
We really do need to have that conversation because what
we can't do for four years is just bash everything.
We have to have somebody or somebody's to go in
there and have a conversation. It could be a harm
reduction conversation, it could be a progress conversation. If Marilyn
told me that she's open to a pardon by this administration,
there's somebody I got to send in there to have

(33:27):
that conversation. But at the end of the day, justice
isn't beholden to a party. Liberation isn't beholden to a party.
It is It is only incumbent upon us to ensure
that we are always advocating for the best interests of
black people. Now, when your personal interest get in the
way of that, we got a problem, and we at
least need to have a conversation.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
But this seems interesting because our in All Youration episode,
I was reading the comments and everybody kept saying, yes,
Angela agree with you. Angela gradually make a point and
I was like, what, I don't even remember because we
had so many conversations. I'm like, what is you saying.
I watched and you did have all the smoke for
people who sat down with Trump. You had all the
smoke for President Biden for even sitting next to him.
And it does sound a little bit like you're giving

(34:09):
Snoop a pass or you're giving Nelly a pass when
I don't know what they've done to earn that pass.
Like to me, I just I just.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Tried to explain it, like I think, to me, I
heard that.

Speaker 7 (34:20):
But you're but what you're doing is extending them understanding
that you you are not quick to extend other people
if they're Their intention is oh, I needed this one thing,
and I was willing to go out there and tap
dance and shuck and jy for the white man because
he gave me this one thing. That's how I look
at it. Then, that is that's kind of a challenge.
That's to say, well, I get it because you wanted

(34:41):
this one thing, But to like literally like like scream
about Joe Biden even sitting next to him. I just
I don't to me that is those those two points
run contrary to each other, I.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Think I I think I tried to say at the beginning,
I am resting in contradiction, contradiction, hypocrisy myself. I tried
to articulate that at the beginning, trying to do that. Now,
what I'm saying is if I were in the same
boat wanting a pardon, which I did for Marilyn Moseby,
my rhetoric sounds remarkably different right now. My sentiment towards

(35:18):
the Biden administration is remarkably different right now than had
that pardon been received. I can still acknowledge that, I
think God, that Katanji Brown was at the inauguration, rock
and Cowrie Shells, I can still acknowledge those things. And
I think that part of what happens with us and
that cheapens discourse is we lack any ability to have
a nuanced conversation. I have a different set of standards

(35:43):
for people who are in elected office and who told
us something very specific about this man and how dangerous
he is, things that you and I all know and
Andrew all know firsthand we witness the attack on our
brother under that administration. So I'm clear about the dangers
of it. I'm not clear if they know. That's why

(36:04):
I said, I and this may have gotten FoST in
all the other is that I said, But I said,
I want to have a conversation to be like, why,
what beyond here go? What beyond respecting the office? What
are you seeing is the opportunity for you being there?
What policy priorities are you planning to carry in to
this administration to help liberate black people? And if you're not,

(36:25):
please tell me why you thought going to do this
was going to help.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
I think if we had played that Snoop sound bite
in the same fashion that we played the you know,
the alleged Trump supporters on the Chicago street, or if
he was just a random person on the street and
you heard him say I love white people. I'm not
raising my grandson is white. By the way, if he's
your biological grandson, Snoop, he's black Racio.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
He was talking about mixed families. He said, yeah, anyway,
it's fine if.

Speaker 7 (36:52):
That's the biological grandson. Your grandson is black.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
If it's not as.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Violent are you and that I'm saying. I think he
was trying to make a point that there's now a
white person in his fan so he loves white people,
not Donald Trump. Either way, it's not ignorant to me.
And also I disagree around the point of I do
think that white kids want to be more black now,
at least on the West Coast, than they did when
we were growing up.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Snoop is older than me.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
But I think that's absolutely the case. I can show
you proof of that, so that has that has shifted.

Speaker 7 (37:21):
But but you're saying that more white kids today one
of the black than they did in the safties, when
the when the radio in the seventies. But there's I mean,
there's reading, there's documentaries, there's so much.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm not talking about them culturally appropriating our stuff. I
think that there's a distinction, and I do think that
on the West Coast it is probably a little bit different.
It's different on the East Coast for sure. From my
experience in being in DC or on the mid Atlantic region,
it's different.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
I think they've always wanted to be black. But we
can disagree there. But I was leaking, is Snoop. I
think if he weren't Snoop and we just heard that
sound bite. I wonder if we would have that same understanding,
if we are willing to extend that same grace to
somebody who isn't a personal friend or somebody who's not
in the public eye.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I told you no, I told you I know firsthand
the stuff that he's done, and that clip was to
show that he liked he does not. He said he
did not like Donald Trump at that point. He's now
since then said he has love for Donald Trump because
of what he did for his friend.

Speaker 7 (38:21):
Here he go, and you the same way with Caruso,
who was running out.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I don't have I don't have anything that. I don't
know that, dude, I don't know that. But you know
Congressoman Karen Bass and but what.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
But so, here's the.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Other part that we're gonna have to wrestle with at
some point, probably a larger podcast. Most elected officials don't
reach out to entertainers and communities the way Andrew Gilliam did.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
That is the truth. That is something that has to
be wrestle.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
With as a result of that, when people pounce on
your weakness and they go to people and go to
fortify and build relationships with folks. People like to be
in close association and proximate to positions of power, no
matter what, they're.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Willing to be used.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I don't think that. I don't think that it's always
about being used. I think it's a transaction. There's a
reason why CBC founder said no permanent friends, no permanent enemies,
just permanent interests. Okay, so I'm just saying that's something
that we're being mastered. But he was at an unofficial event.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
I'm narrating that. I'm raising my hand for y'all who
are listening and can't see.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I'm gonna call my friend Snoop and we'll be back.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
I actually really wanted to approach this conversation from a
place of listening, because I think you all predict very
often that I'm always gonna come down on the side
of whatever is the norm and the status quo, which
of course I take issue with. But what I do
think is what I said here on this platform before,
and that is that people are extreme aly self interested

(40:02):
and there's no color. You know, there's there's there's no
there's no blindness to color, no regard rather for for
for color in regards to our interests uh and having
our needs met. And so, for instance, in Florida, when
I went to a certain well known you know, rapper,

(40:25):
one of the OG's names, I.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Won't Luke Campbell. I was about Luke. They weren't gonna
do it, So I did. That's tag team.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
But to to meet, you know, with certain people, particularly
artists entertainers on the early end, for me, I had
I had to buy bungalows and lunch and all kinds
of other things that I admittedly said on the phone.
My campaign can't afford, and neither can I. And so
if there's not another option, we're not gonna be able
to meet. And then you dig a little bit deeper

(40:57):
into the relationship of why you would choose this person
to get behind over me, who I think best represents
what your lived experiences has been. Why do you make
that choice? And it is when I needed such and
such and suchance that you gave my football. My distances
is that or this, and you're in And I almost
I don't necessarily accept it as the as an appropriate answer,

(41:19):
and I don't even know nobody's asking for my acceptance
of it as an answer, but I do know this.
I get that when you have a direct example that
you can make for what somebody has done for you,
a lot of the other stuff falls by the wayside.
And let me say this. We have movement leaders right
now leading major civil rights organizations in this country who

(41:41):
have gone lighter and there and their accountability for certain networks, the.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Whole dam thing.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
Money, talk about the whole things, about the whole thing, Angela,
the names of names, because.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I'm saying I'm sad.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
It ain't just Snap, it ain't just Nearly And he's
just the civil rights leaders. It ain't just the mayors,
it ain't just the state reps.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
It ain't right, it's just my people.

Speaker 7 (42:16):
But I got the dame for civil rights. I'm saying,
smoke for people who are my friends. I got the
same smoke for people who are my enemies. If you
are willing to parade yourself out there like a mascot,
looking like a fool, in my opinion, at the risk
and damage that this administration is about to do to
black people because somebody lets you perform, or somebody puts
your money in your pocket, and he's about to send

(42:37):
people to the slaughter who are in prisons right now
because he part in your one friend and you were
okay with that. He is ripping families apart at the border,
ripping babies apart from their parents, and you okay with
that because he gave you your friend aparty.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
I don't here, I have never or i've never nat.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
I have never said Angela, it's about it, but showing up.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I understand your administration, I understand your perspective.

Speaker 7 (43:04):
It is a disgrace of the ancestors. And thank god
there were people who have more principal, who were who
were not so cheaply bought to to not stand on
the same stage as other people who were just as harmful.
Perhaps and perhaps perhaps you were on some bullshit and
you look like.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
It. Also could also could be that there are some
people who haven't had their needs yet directly met and
so they can still act free. And the only I
just want to reclaim time to simply say the point
I was trying to make about the self interest here,
and I made the same point when fifty and all
these others had all this stuff that say said, y'all,
fifty cent is in a different tax bracket than you,

(43:44):
me and the rest of us. Is what he is
what he might be getting by virtue of this person
being elected. We may never see and I ever understand.

Speaker 7 (43:53):
I just think that was.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Exact sample all. I think from the beginning of time
are you from the beginning of time a lot?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
But I hear you.

Speaker 7 (44:07):
I hear your point.

Speaker 6 (44:08):
Okay, from the beginning of time?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
What is.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
The point is nuanced?

Speaker 6 (44:13):
And I don't think I don't think it's nuanced. I
actually think it's I think it is very very human,
self individualized, personal self interest that drives every single person
on human on earth. And what allows us to sort
of go back big picture is when we remind ourselves

(44:34):
that we are not in that class of people, that
we're not that individual, we're not that person, we're not
with the right party to get the privilege. And so
we then fall back on the fact that we if
we're not writing together, we're not writing at all. But
I promise you, when when folks find themselves in positions
of power, when they find themselves either in it themselves
in proximity to it, they look first to their own

(44:56):
interests and to their own self preservation, and then lots
of clever people get out there and decorate themselves as
if they are riding for us. But in truth, we've
seen them go hard against the opposition, and we know
what going hard looks like. So when we see you
going light here, I can only draw one conclusion about
why that is. And that isn't all you took money

(45:16):
in the back of your pocket, but you got something.
There was something here at works that you're not disclosing
to the rest of us as to why it is
you're giving these folks that pass. I applaud you, Angela
for at least announcing your contradiction. But for most of
these folks, many of them who consider themselves leaders in
our community, who we look to to be on the
front lines on our behalf, go and they cheapen their

(45:39):
position through what their gift, their exchange is going to be.
And all I'm saying is I think everyone is possible
for that level of subjugation. And two, it is incumbent
upon every last, single one of us to help save
ourselves because they're not saving us. I can't put my
faith in that anymore.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
This is this is, this is the thing.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
So there's a scripture that says, for what shall it
profit a man if he shall gain the whole world
and lose his own soul. And I think that that
own oxygen mask mentality has been removed from the aircraft
and taken into community, and that's dangerous. Black people can't
afford to put only our own oxygen mask on first,

(46:22):
because the whole community needs oxygen that I'm not forgiving.
It is one thing for you to say I appreciate
this person for doing this one thing for me, and
for that I feel some type of a debt. But
I'm gonna call out when you are doing immigration raids
in my community, and I'm gonna call out when you
tried to say COVID was a hoax and most of
my people died. And I'm gonna call out like whatever

(46:43):
what you did with abortion rights and access, and I'm
gonna call like.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
All of it. I think all of that needs to
be called out.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It is fine for you to say I've benefited in
that way this way, but it is not okay for
you to turn a blind eye to everything else that happened.
It is fine for you to say this happened, and
then therefore I'm gonna do this, But I hope that
you will not lessen your critique, that you will not
lessen the ability to hold account like hold accountability in.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
The same container as your praise. We do it all
the time.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I just said at the beginning of the show, here's
what the Biden administration got right. And now let me
tell you all the things where I feel like they
got wrong because it set us back. That's when I
when I say nuance, that's what I mean. I am
clear about what happens when we do self preservation first.
That has always served us poorly. That is how we
got across the Transatlantic okay, across the Atlantic Ocean and

(47:36):
the Transatlantic slave trade.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
That is not beneficial to us. I'm not okay.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
All I'm telling y'all is I want to know why,
and I want to know why firsthand, and I want
to know how they're gonna make it right, because I
do think they have an obligation to make it work right.
What I would love to do, when we have some
more time, is figure out all the ways that we
can also hold the organizations who hold themselves.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
In position sure yes, serve us and our needs to
move our agenda forward.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
The elected officials, the appointed officials, the leaders, all of
these people. What is the standard of engagement with this administration.
Some should boycott, some should only critique, but I hope
that's not what we do on this podcast. I hope
that we will uplift when things are challenging and how
great that harm is to us. There was a listener

(48:25):
question that came in. I don't know if we got
it to play it, but they had ideas about what
we should be doing each week when the administration does something,
how does it impact Black people at a disparate level.
These things have to be taught. Even folks who are
in high position, they don't always know. So, yeah, it's ignorant,
but it's not even will for ignorance. It's like where

(48:45):
do we go find this? We gonna bring it to
you right here to ensure.

Speaker 7 (48:50):
To find out Like that was one of my challenges
when Steve Harvey went to meet with Donald Trump, Like
why do you think you are the person to go
sit at the table with Donald Trump and discuss policy
when you are not a policy exit on literally anything.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
So he was gonna give money to his camp. He
told him he was gonna get money there, which has some.

Speaker 7 (49:06):
I would say, you are being used and bought cheap.
But I want to ask you to say, we go
to the viewer question. So you have been working tirelessly
on behalf of Marilyn Moseby, and like you, she is
a client. Essentially, she's your client, but also your your
boy pro bo no yes, but also our sister. You
know who we support. If Donald Trump said, you know

(49:28):
what I'm gonna give, I'm gonna give her a pardon.
But you need to show up to this inauguration ball.
You have to deliver the pledge of allegiance and just
don't say shit bad about me for the next year
in twenty twenty six. You can say everything you want,
but basically, I want you to show up to this ball.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
I want you.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
If I got the meet with black leaders at the
White House, I want you there. I want to take
a picture with you, and you got to post it
on your Instagram and say thank you President Trump for
this pardon.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Would you do it?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I would think I would think that I would find
a way to get to yes. But I ain't doing
none of this shit.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
You just said.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I'm not. You would I can't, I can't, I can't,
and I can't tell anybody that was a deal quiet
about no, no, no, no, no, no, I I couldn't
do it. But what I can tell you is.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
We have had conversations with all of the options on
the table, and a pardon for Donald Trump from Donald
Donald Trump to for Maryland is not off the table.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I will tell you. I will tell you that.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
To me, I don't care who the justice comes from
and why the justice comes.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
It just needs to come.

Speaker 6 (50:32):
Now.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
If in exchange for that, he wants me to lose
my own soul, it's not happening. Like I just I
can't do that. I don't I know what your point is.
I'm interested that you. I'm not wired.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I'm not wired that way, Tiff, and I think the
thing that we have to wrestle with as our obligation
You too, Andrew, because you guys are also not this way.
One of the things that I love about you guys
is I know that it's never about self first.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
And if there's ever a moment where I feel like
I'm gonna go that way, I know that y'all will
bring me back.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
I think that everybody isn't so fortunate, so blessed to
have that type of cocoon, and we have to figure
out a way to make sure our folks know the
history of what happens when we put self over culture
or independence over interdependence. It does not work for Black people.

(51:29):
You can go and try to fulfill the Caucasian blue
Book if you want to, it ain't gonna work for you.
It might work for a time, it might work for
a season, it is not going to work for you
in the long run. And I think that's really what
our folks are saying.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Just enraged with Nelly, Rick Ross, Snoop fifty. They are
hurt because these are people that they've counted on. Well
maybe not Nellie, I love you, you know, use my
fiance on TV, but respectfully, you don't have the same
cultural uh you know, input, and you know, anyway, Snoop
is Snoop and maybe arguably fifty. I think that people

(52:10):
always trusted that they would get truth by any means
necessary from Snoop, and I think that's what people are reflected.
So I mean, I'm looking forward to having a conversation
with them about it and figure out where we go
from here.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
We got to go somewhere. We can't stay here to
say't it?

Speaker 6 (52:26):
At some point?

Speaker 7 (52:27):
I wait, I wait, can I'll be quiet very patient
with us. This whole episode.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Famous last week, so I tried to.

Speaker 7 (52:37):
But I've apologizing to you, Andrew, because you have been
very patient today. I just want to say, in all
of our careers, but certainly mine and television, there were
definitely pathways I could have taken if I wanted to
be self interested. I want to host the Today Show.
I want to earn seven figures. There were things that

(52:58):
I didn't have to do or say. I didn't have
to hold the line for the community on my show
to my own peril. There were things in life I
could have taken different jobs for different companies and done
communications for this company or outreached of this company. I've
always wanted to live in service to black folks. I
am convicted that I share this space with two co

(53:18):
hosts who also feel that way, and so I do
not have the same grace or understanding. I don't think
it's a bad thing to have it. I just personally
do not have it, because when you have paid well,
you've made that sacrifice and paid a price for it.
I just think like I'm willing to bleed for my people.
I'm willing to die for my people. I'm going to

(53:39):
join a fight for my people. And if somebody came
to me and said, I'm going to offer you this
one breadcrumb if you would but sacrifice your people, I
always knew I could always come home to community. The
favor and love from white corporate entities is fickle. They
will love you on Monday and hate you by Friday.
But there is nothing I can imagine that would be

(54:01):
dangled before me that would make me want to sacrifice
the genuine birthright of love that I have from my
fellow black people, who I will always to the day
I die, live in service to definite good point. And
I think y'all both feel the same.

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Way I do. And I know that we were going
to push to another topic, but I just wanted to say,
in practicality, the exchange the offer is very rarely, if ever,
that obvious of quid pro quo. Almost always it is
the exchanges is that the president is going to do
he sees the injustice in your situation, and we're going

(54:36):
to pardon you. And the reason why they don't expect
anything on the back end is the symbolism of their
extension of that grace does the job for itself. It
speaks volumes for us that when Kwame Killpatrick got pardon
amongst rattlers and the Family Comity and a bunch of
as alphas rama, folks really felt a sort of way
because they know the effort and energy that went into

(54:59):
the previous hitmentministration a Democrat and trying to get that
same thing to have happened. And the commute correct right
read the community of the sentence, and it didn't happen.
And so Kwame didn't have to go out there and
hold a sign for Donald Trump. He didn't have to
say a damn thing beyond that. The action in and
of itself suggested to the people what that may have meant.

(55:20):
And that's all I'm saying with regard to the example
you gave around Maryland, it isn't going to be you know,
if you do this, then you show up here, here, here,
and here the extension of that grace to her. Let
me tell you this, They're gonna let everybody know they
did it. She's obviously going to let folks know that
she received one. And the action will speak for itself,

(55:42):
and guess what, it will likely inure more people toward
him because it will be a sign of what he
has an appetite for the problem, of course that all
of us are able to readily identify is that that
is individual case, specifi selective. How do you say grace

(56:06):
if I wanted to use that word very loosely. However,
what isn't happening is that grace is not being extended
to a system that is designed to produce this outcome
every single time you put the input in. When the
input goes in, this is the exact outcome we're going
to get. So the failure to to disrupt that system
becomes then our greater community's responsibility to say, wow, thank you,

(56:30):
you did the right thing here for Maryland. Now, let's
talk about the incarceration rates, the over prosecution rates, the
over sentencing in our community. What we're going to do
about that, because that is where the larger community issue exists,
and us ripping fathers, brothers, sons, daughters, sisters away from
their families because of a churning system that is insatiable.

(56:55):
It will never be full. The appetite is never satisfied
because the system wasn't designed to ever satisfy it. You
just got to keep putting and puts in. I'm off
the ladder, y'all. But I just I can't help but
think that one it is in Maryland's fault if she
got a pardon through Trump. But I do know what
the symbolism will send by way of a signal to

(57:16):
the community. And I think the community's reaction or the
community's response has to be that's good, you did a
good thing here. But now let's talk about the system
and how we leveled it so that people like Maryland
are not right back on the doorstep tomorrow morning, because
we all know that's where it's gonna go.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
That's just it to you, guys. This is honestly, honest
to God, this is what I'm wrestling with.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
It's not just these isolated instances or incidents with these rappers.

Speaker 10 (57:42):
It is.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
It is.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Two things in their contradictory. Again, sorry, I'm walking hypocrisy today.

Speaker 4 (57:50):
I apologize. So yeah, all my gray areas, I'm in
the gray to day. So there is this idea that.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Joe Biden had this bucket for public corruption, he wouldn't
touch any public corruption cases even if they were CBC
members who want supported him, from Kareem Brown to al
Sie Hastings posthumously to whatever right with this administration that
was sworn in on Mlkday, where anything goes where you
can buy your way into the policy or the deregulation

(58:22):
that you want the cloud around her to the general
public then, and not just the Marylands of the world,
but the others who didn't receive the parties, the thousands
that Tiffany talked about.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Let's say he does it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
What it says because of the image of this administration
in my own mind is he lets all corruption go.
So then these people who didn't deserve there to be
there to begin with are now under this like they're
associated with corruption bubba, which also sucks.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
That's one thing.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
The other thing that it does is, and this is
the part that's enraging and really sad to me, is
for the people who fought the artist to preserve the
Democratic Party, to uplift the Democratic Party, to challenge it
to be better, to contract with us, to hire us,
to run us, to utilize us, to lift us up,

(59:14):
to support our agenda.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
We didn't really have audience there. We could talk, you
would agree, Joe Biden. You would look in the faces
of parishioners in church on Sunday in South Carolina and
say you're gonna see what you can do for Maryland.
You always do the right thing to say, but could
never find the right thing to do or shouldn't say never.
That's not true rarely, especially when it came time to

(59:41):
talk about our justice.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
That's the conundrum. I'm not trying to send people to
the Republican Party. I definitely ain't seen justice there. But
what happens if they start filling the holes, you know,
of the places where we've been abused and misused and
unheard and treated as invisible in this party.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
I'm not gonna lie to y'all.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
That scares me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
That scares me because I don't think it's better over there.
But if over time the policies become better over there,
Black people shouldn't be beholden to a party. They should
be beholden to their collective interests. And I think there
in lies the balance. Our collective interests have to pave
the way, not our solo interests.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Yes, that's the busy stead and y'all, you know what,
We've got a lot more on this, so our listeners,
we're never gonna close this out because we have to
wrestle with it. And guess what, I just agree. Sure,
they're gonna be stages to this thing, because I've already
seen the evolution Angela from last week to this week
in some of your comments similar to what Tiffany has
already highlighted, which I was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
If it was souper, I might not be there.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
But that's honestly, but we're gonna hold you accountable to
your say. Now see in the future, have that kind
of grace with your brother who says I don't give
a damn about a coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
No, I have grace for you saying you don't give
a damn about a coffee. I think that grace for
you saying it was fine. I just my only thing
is I think that elected leaders have a different responsibility.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
I hear you guys's point.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
I think we have influence over again, I hear that
people who have influence, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I'm just saying, in order for them to properly leverage
their influence, they have to be educated. And I don't
think that it is an I don't think that it
is a wanton disregard for education. I think that there's
not been an opportunity.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Well, here's my one piece of advice to those individuals
like ours. So joining entertainers in a generation before when
they didn't know the particulars of the issues of the matters,
they bought experts with them. They didn't go into rooms
by themselves. They bought people who knew, who sat alongside them,
and when the question was posed, that entertainer, that celebrity,

(01:01:54):
that influence would look to the expert to name names,
to name agendas, and then make sure that the exchange
was one that was equitable and right for our community.
And so if you if you don't know, ignorance is
no longer if it has ever been a sufficient excuse,
there are a lot of tools available to you. And

(01:02:14):
Tiff take us to uh to a topic that I
know has to be on your mind there in d C.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Mey, we've gone I don't even want to get I
think this is the most interesting topic. I sell go
at the beginning. If there's time, we would get into this.
And I think we have exhausted even with that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
All your DC friends and government.

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Who I think this topic is so it's it's it's
so interesting to people. And we didn't even get into
all the things that we wanted to because we really
didn't talk a lot about black engagement, you know, and
what that looks like going forward.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
I think there. I think there are phases to this, y'all.
This is why I think we have to let the
listeners know we're going to absolutely but you.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
Guys from this lively discussion. I do want you guys
to know this discussion is going to continue over time.
I would love to hear from the viewers what you
guys want to hear when it comes to black engagement.
What can we inform you about and how can we
be helpful as we're all figuring this out because we
you know, we are flying by the seat of our
pants here with this administration.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Okay, everybody, we hate going to break and we definitely
hate to break up the conversation, but we'll be right
back after this break.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Well come, well, come, well, come, well, come, well come, welcome.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Moving us right along, we want to get into CTAs. Angela.
I know you were saying it's really important that you
wanted to leave people at least today with something that
they can do. So all of our CTAs will center
around a call to action, something that you can do
to hopefully bring some knowledge, information, serenity, action, whatever that
thing is as we go for it. So Angel you

(01:03:51):
want to go first.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yes, I'm gonna just echo what I know Andrew's gonna do,
which is to play this prayer from the Bishop. We
definitely gonna need intercessory prayer to make it through the
next four years. I'd also just say one of my
favorite things that you say all the time TIF is
to approach things with genuine curiosity, and I would invite
us all to do that even when we fundamentally disagree
with people. You know, why are you pursuing this policy?

(01:04:16):
Why would you support someone that is doing things that
cause intentional harm to other communities? And then when you
do see an intentional harm being, you know, placed onto
the backs of people who can't fight for themselves, make
sure you stand up for them and ask why. Make
sure you figure out how to arm and equip them.
I've seen a number of posts from our elected officials,
some of them are friends, like Congressoman Ayana Presley on

(01:04:39):
advising people of what to do if ice comes knocking
at their door or comes to their workplace for an
ICE raid. That's immigration and customs enforcement. So make sure
that you're telling people what they can do if things
like that happen. If someone is being targeted, that you
know about making sure that you stand with them to
ensure that they're not going through that on their own.
The most important thing for us to remember is that

(01:05:01):
we were created to be interdependent. That means when we
go through struggle, we shouldn't go through it alone, and
when we're celebrating a victory, we shouldn't be alone either.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
I feel, are we closing with the bishop?

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
We will close with the bishop?

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
See go ahead, Andrew.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
A part of my cta, which is which is the
first one is if your head is spinning right now
to the news, to these executive orders to shit, what
feels like the capitulation of people you admired, respected, expected
more from. The idea of the other side is to

(01:05:38):
exhaust you is to get you so dejected, rejected, alone,
and out of community so that you aren't able to
mount the kind of fight that is required in this moment.
If they exhaust us, if they tire us all out,
if they make us throw up our hands and say,
you know what, to hell, they got it all anyway, Uh,

(01:06:00):
then we're making their job that much easier. We're making
their walk, their drive that much straighter. If there are
no speed bumps, no stop signs, no concrete boulders to delay, defray,
or completely deflect their assault, then they're going to go
straight away into it. So I know that we all

(01:06:22):
have exhaustion and disappointment and let down and hurt and
fear and all that other stuff residing in our heads,
in our minds and our spirits right now, But know
that those are all tools of the enemy, and they're
all non redemptive. They don't help us, they don't elevate us,
they don't get us freer. I just want to point
in closing on this, my request is to maybe possibly

(01:06:44):
take some example from the good bishop who's hopefully going
to close us out after Tiffany's CTA, to give us,
I think, a spirit of fight, a spirit of speaking
truth to power, and then an example of how to
do it without fear.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
Okay, So my CTA is. I know a lot of
you ask like, what are reputable sources where we can go?
And I just wanted to give a big shout out
to Michael Harriet. He curated an amazing weekend. We traveled
to the Deep South in Georgia, and in my outcast voice,
all the players came from far and wide, writers and
doers and dreamers and builders came. And he announced the

(01:07:24):
launch of contraband Camp, which is a substack that he
found it so you'll see familiar names on there. There'll
be actual reporting writers and as you all know, he's
the best selling author of Black af History, so please
read that. Also, Aaron Haynes does an amazing newsletter and
writes a column for the nineteenth so please check that
out and really quickly. My last CTA is, please please

(01:07:47):
please vote for us for the NAACP Image Awards. You
can vote at NAACP image dot net. You can vote
as many times from different emails. It cannot be the
same email. But tell your friends, family, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You don't get us disqualified. No, that's not your kindest glory.
That's a father of confusion.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
She didn't mean that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:06):
No, everybody saying you can tell your friends family, Yeah, yes, everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
So everybody what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And it would never encourage you to vote the multiple
email address.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
I think make sure that that y'all tell your friends
and family to vote for us. And all right, Andrew,
I know you have a great CTA. And Wade Clows
us out.

Speaker 6 (01:08:29):
So let's see and hear an example from the great Bishop.

Speaker 10 (01:08:34):
Let me make one final plea, mister President, millions have
put their trust in you, and as you told the
nation yesterday, you have felt the providential hand.

Speaker 6 (01:08:48):
Of a loving God. In the name of our God,
I ask.

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
You to have mercy upon the people in our country.
And we're scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender
children in Democratic, Republican and independent families, some who fear

(01:09:15):
for their lives. And the people, the people who pick
our crops and clean our office buildings, who labor in
poultry farms and meatpacking plants, who wash the dishes after
we eat in restaurants, and work the night shifts in hospitals.
They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation,

(01:09:40):
but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.

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