Jason Demers and Adnan Virk look at the incredibly close races for the Hart Trophy and Calder Trophy before breaking down the incoming class of college hockey signings. Former MLB pitcher Ryan Dempster then talks about the torpedo bat, his relationship with Dusty Baker and his love for Wrigley Field. After Jason and Adnan pay tribute to the late Val Kilmer, Cory Schneider stops by to share his favorite stories about Lou Lamoriello, Scott Gomez and Roberto Luongo.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
NHL Unscripted is a production of the NHL and iHeart
podcasts Great Tabby with us here on Unscripted. Honestly, this
is a fantastic episode. Corey Schneider, our buddy from NHL Network.
(00:26):
It's gonna be honest. You got great stories about lou
La Morello and ROVERTA. Lawongo, among others. Plus Ryan Dempster,
MLB Network colleague and friend. Obviously a great picture, one
of the greatest pictures ever in Canadian baseball history. He's
got hockey stories as well, being at the Winner Classic
there as he's a former member of the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But Jady would begin.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
With the fact also by the way Senophon sixty, Val Kilmer,
I gotta pay tribute to him. I'm your Huckleberry, of course,
I know he love Tombstone. Cal mccarr just got back
from watching the Avalanche Avalanche Flames unbelievable game. Now the
Flames come back, they're down to nothing and they win
this game in the shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Dan Bladar starting was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But honestly, what I was taken with is Cale mccarr
absolute beautiful goal to open the scoring. I got to
speak to him early that day, and as you know,
previous week, I got to see the Canucks, so Quinn
Hughes one day that I got to watch KEYL mccarr
in person.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He's obviously an incredible defense. But here's what I'm a
throw to you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I asked him, for a guy with your kind of
offensive skill, you could have played any position. Why did
you play defense? He could have been McKinnon and he said, no,
you're right. As a kid, I played every position. But
I just love the idea of playing defense as a quarterback.
That's why I want to do it so much. And
I said, did you ever watch video of these guys,
Bobby Orr whoever? He's like, No, he goes. Honestly, I
was just inspired by the guys around me. I love
Drew Dowdy because I obviously took a lot from Dowdy's
game in terms of his decision making when he's able
(01:35):
to do. Carlson is another big influence on me. But
what Cale mccarr is doing right now, I mean, if
he's your passes. Mike Green, who had a historic thirty
one goal season back in eight nine, that'd be the
highest goal total for defenseman since Kevin Hatcher had thirty
four back in ninety two ninety three. I know you've
spoken a lot about Rerensky, we had him on the pod.
I know you love Quinn Hughes. But how great is
cal mccarr.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh, I'm just gonna say this, and I might just
finish it with one line. He's gonna go down as
the best defenseman of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wow, ahead of Bobby Orr.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, I think he is. I always put it into
categories of like what constitutes somebody to be the greatest
of And I don't like to compare eras. You know,
I'm not the carving are like for me, Crosby right
now is the greatest of our era. I think he's
the go to the era. I wouldn't compare him to Gretzky,
but you could make an argument and if you look
(02:24):
at his body of work, but Cale mccarr will like,
but that's Crosby aside. But Cale mccarr will go down
as the greatest defenseman. I think he transcends. He's gonna transcend,
transcend eras and he could be one of those guys.
He's so good offensively, so good defensively. He's so powerful,
so strong, what he does, what he brings out of players.
(02:44):
And you know, we can talk about Nathan mckinnuntil we're
blue in the face of being the Hart Trophy and
and but what as a defenseman in that position, I
don't think there will be somebody better coming out. He
is just the gold standard. And yeah, I would, I would.
You could put him in any era and he'd be dominant.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I love that take, by the way, because I asked
him just like human interest stuff, I said, after Kale
Holse the former Flame, He's like, that's right, he goes.
My dad did some stuff with the Flames and marketing.
My mom was pregnant at the time. They like to
name Kale and I looked to baptor his being our
buddy Thamas Sikey. Kale Hols I think in his career
had eighty five points, like.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
K kale is blowing the doors up and what Kale
Hol's could have accomplished.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And as far as nicknames like Kale Salad or Kale
juice and call ma car Goes, I get both because
I don't mind Kale juice actually because they called me
juicer a little bit, like, all right, Kale.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Juice, you did that kind of journalism.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's a ninety second arrival interview would just be boring.
And Bland, I got some good stuff out. Everybody does
kale with a seed, not a cake. Come on, you
better and he's a big Back to the Future guy.
Shout up to Lawrence Goldstein. Later on Your Corey Scheider
mentioned the Angel Network research team.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I asked LG.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
He goes, ask himbout Back the Future and before we
started again, never asked a question.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Never ask a question. It's your kids. Somebody's got to
be thought about your kids.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Never ask a question which you don't know the answers.
If you have a second, I just go, hey, I
read that Back the Future is your favorite movie and
the cargoes it was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But it's up there.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I okay, you did it one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Thank god on the air. I just go I heard
you're a big Back of the Future fanings. Oh I
love it, love the franchise. I go, you're like a
Dolory out there, buddy, go get him, and he certainly did.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Delareian can go in any yeah, any generation. But wow,
this is a tough night for you. I gotta, I gotta.
It was a great I gonna start pre interviewing you.
I need to me as a friend, just like the
open ended questions.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
We know that's going on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Question yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
We never never.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Asked a question you don't know the answer to because
you're in trouble if you're you know, that's a lot
of it's a lot of mots ball hanging out there.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Could you imagine if I said, I've heard you were
named for kel Hols, because that's not true. I don't
know where you got that from?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
A disaster? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Okay, Well we had uh, we we had you know,
we're gonna have an interview with Corey Schneider, but we
had Jordan cairou on and in our notes it said
had would finished second place in a fortnight tournament back
during COVID. So Corey Schneider takes it and he goes, hey,
I heard you finished second in a fortnite He goes.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He goes, no, we finished first. He goes, what do
you think second?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And he just oh, okay, great, dead, We're dead in
the water on air live just dead.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You're right, good, pretty to read, be nice.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I know you want to talk about Kutrov and for
good reason right now in the Atlantic Division. So Toronto's
actually six to one in one of the last eight games.
That could potentially put a strangle on the division. If
they've got two games against Florida one against Tampa the
next week, so we could get battle of Ontario Toronto,
Ottawa and Florida Tampa Bay in the first round.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That'd be really great.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But you want to give some love toa Kida Kutrov
because you look at right now and again, Shane's gonna
talk with this as well. Hellibuck right now is the
favorite Triple Crown category in terms of wins, shutouts, say,
percentage goals against average, So he's a frentially four categories. Certainly, McKinnon,
who I just got to watch, is an incredible player,
but Kutrov might win the Art Ross. He's neck and
neck right now. McKinnon yet not getting nearly enough love
for the heart. Why isn't people getting more love to Cooch.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I just feel like there's still a bad taste from
the All Star Game from last year, and I think
that really hurt him. I was covering the awards and
I just didn't like the way it was handled. I
thought they kind of you know, I know, there's Joe
set award shows, but I think they kind of just
braid him a little bit too much, and you could
kind of sense it even before, like you know, he's
not winning this one, even though again, if you look
(06:13):
at all the top five scores in the league, every
single one's the center. But Nikita Koutrov to be able
to produce that much offense and drive a line from
the wing position is so incredibly difficult. Now, Leon Dreistill
at times will go center wing with him and Connor together.
But what Nikita has done and does every single season,
the last two specifically.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Just can't go. You can't discount that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Like you know, as a centerman, you're gonna probably get
five to ten assists, especially if you're always starting the
offensive zone where you win. The draw goes back to
the point, there's the shot, a goal, you get an assist,
it happens.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He doesn't get any of those touches, but everything is
run through him. On the power play. We thought that
Stamkos is gone, they're not. He's not going to be
as effective. I mean, he's even more effective. He just
elevates the play of everybody around him. And now listen,
Hella Buck. I think we were on the network and
we talked and I it's tough to not give it
to him because what he's done. He's first in every
(07:08):
single category for a goaltender, his wins, he's about to
break the record for he I don't think he'll get it,
but he's close as close to winning the record for
most wins in a single season for a goalie. So
you know, it's it's tough to not give it to him.
And the odds makers are typically not wrong, you know
they're they're not far off. But I just can't believe
the love that he's getting. I think he's like plus
a thousand right now. And you know, not taking away
(07:31):
anything that Leon Dreyset's under Nathan McKinnon. I think Leon's
been been the other guy. I would say that's not
talks about enough for the heart. I just think you
have to give it to him. You got robbed last year.
It has to be him or Hellibuck. But I don't
think it will be. But that's my my hot take
is you know, give it to him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Give your ballot be Hellabach koocher off, then McKinnon, those
be your three. Try cel not making the top three.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's have you seen in recent memory a heart trophy
that's this highly contested.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it's been a great race. I'm with you even tho.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think, by the way, the call the race is
not because of fascinating same thing. I break down at
meach got the other day, swing low sweet chariot, beach
coff right now, each got right now, second in points,
celebrating your boys.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Third.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The Flames are not gonna make the playoffs, but how
do you not get Wolf at least top three? I
think it's a great race. Hudson, Hudson's gonna win. I
think if the Abs win it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was super close, and I think a week ago
and then now it's a it's a two horse, one horse,
it's lane. Hudson's gonna get it. What he's done the record,
it's I tweeted about it. I think a week ago
that like he's the winner. He's gonna get Ittson.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He's got six as system his last two games.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But it's crazy. I mean the one last night was
got off.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't know what Sam Reinhardt's doing, just going down
and all on his knees there like that, just with
ten seconds of let the goalie see it. But you know,
I just think what Lane's done this year offensively, it's
you have we haven't seen that. I mean, he's in
He's in the same air as as Chris Chelios, Nick
Lenstrom for rookie defenseman with points, and I just think
it's it's not going to be seen in a long time.
(09:03):
I don't think after this, maybe we will because all
these offensive demon coming into the league. It's just a
different level these kids. But he is, what he's done
is great. I Celebrina just think he's it's too tough
the team he's on to produce and we're just not
going to see. And you know, last year, you look
at Connor Bedard, what he did on a bad team
with the points, and they gave it to him, even
though I thought it should have been brock favor But
brock Favorites didn't have the numbers statistically, But I thought
(09:26):
what he did for his team was just merited him
winning the Calder. I think you're not going to see
that this year with Macklin versus Lane, Lane's gonna get
it all day and they're pushing for a playoff spot.
Matt Vey might make it close, but I think Lane
is now fully run away with it is going to
be a demon winning the Calder this year.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Book it Meetchkoff absolutely unshackled now that Torrella has gone,
Flyers playing inspired hockey.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Torch is gone, thank god, no more structure.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Bradshaw's letting us just just have some fun out there, Katoria.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They all look like a different team, just.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Ripping his clothes off. He looks like Andy Dufrain and
shash Ankradem just crawled through four football fields of shit
to come out on the other side of free.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Each cow is just let me go right, and that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Team is that team's played well coming off of that,
and you know it's the coach's bump. But I think
they're just they all took a deep excel. But how
about that stuff with torts coming out? We talked about
him last episode, how you get fired? But all, did
you see the stuff that Ryan Whitney posted from spitt.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And chick Uts.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I haven't seen it, he said.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The Apparently the rumors coming out is that he told
Cam York if you resign here, like I'm gonna bury you.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh my god, fuck, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I do the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
There's like stories of that around the league, where like
a coach is like, I'm gonna get you, and that
if you're if you're a player, like is the worst
thing you could possibly hear because there's no way out.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You're dead. So he got saved. Cam York should be
thanking his lucky stars that Torts got fired.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, by the way, that's why it was interesting because
York trash but didn't play a single shift in brad
Shaw's first game.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
That's why I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'm like, I know what Torts did or I didn't
know this specifically, but I'm like, what did Yorke do that?
It felt like he was being Peelans as well. But regardless,
one more topical and we're gonna get to Ryan Dempster.
Number of top college teams closing up their season, some
high profile prospects signing their entry level NHL deals, most
normally Ryan Leonard with the Capitals, Parole with the Rangers,
and Jimmy Snuggerood with the Blues. Watching snugger Rood last night,
(11:20):
loved Dave snugger Rud who was there and being interviewed,
former Shark, former flyer. Great to see him there and
you see obviously what Jimmy was able to do. What
do you make g D The players straight out of
college try to make an impact of the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You saw a car course do it years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I don't know if we'll see, you know, somebody doing
what McCart did or Charlie McAvoy. But I think there's
some really good players coming out of college. I just
think Snugger Ruod I watched that game last night. I
thought he did well. But you know, it's a tough
game to come into you coming out of college, A
team's on a nine game heater, and then you just please,
(11:53):
for the love of God, don't let me lose this
game that I'm in. And I'm my first game in
the NHL, and I'm going to be the reason, not
the reason, but if they lose the game, everybody's gonna
be like Snugger Ruds. They lose, and they it was
it was touch and go, it was twelve seconds left
and they make Jordan kyru bails him out and then
they end up winning an overtime.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But I would have been just oh, it would have been.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Just so tough. You're just sitting there dejected. I had
something similar My seven hundredth game was like I came
in and we're playing I was playing it with Edmonton.
We're playing Santos Sharks, a game we should win. Connor
McDavid was chasing a record. They were kind of on
a heater. And then of course they start the game
and I make a turnover. We're down one nothing, and
I'm like, oh god, I'm like my seven hundth game,
(12:37):
We're gonna end up losing, and then they're gonna be like,
get this guy at it here.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
We ended up winning six to one, so it was
all fine.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But I think for Snugger Root, good start he made,
he hit the post, made some good plays, and then
obviously Ryan Leonard. You know, I thought it was a
feeling out process for Leonard as well. I mean a
lot of pressure for him at TD Garden, all of
his boys there.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I thought he got a good.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You know, he had a good hit on on Veal
that was you know, all over Instagram. So I think
he's gonna be happy with that. And I thought the
guys were just great with him. And you know, it's
a game they should have won. Washington, they should have
beat him, and it was a lot tighter than he
probably would have wanted. But yeah, they they've kind of
worried me the last few games. It seems like they've
really taken their foot off the gas.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Washington.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But you know, Leonard, congratulations, good job coming in, and
we got Gabe Perro. I think tonight what the range is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Should be fun to see, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We got obviously lots more hockey talk on the way
that Corey Strouderhill tellus who he'd vote for for the Heart,
plus stories about lou Li Morello and Robert of la Wongo.
But Ryan Dempster with the great Canadian pitchers of old time.
He's got great stories and a Harry Carry impression on
Val Kilmer films. It's coming up right after this.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Our first guest.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
The third round pick of the Texas Rangers the nineteen
ninety five Major League Baseball Draft, he was a two
time All Star World Stories champion in twenty thirteen and
won one hundred and thirty two career games the Florida Marlin.
Since then, I read Chicago Cubs, Texas Rangers in Boston
Red Sox. He was also inducted in the Canadian Baseball
Hall of Fame in twenty nineteen. He's one of the
best skating pitchers ever and most importantly a friend and
(14:11):
a colleague at MLB Network with Intentional Talk, which you
can watch weekdays at four o'clock Eastern.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Rocking a Nordeek's jersey, Ryan Dempster, what is up, demp Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Love this old school right here. I like, I'm actually
I've been meaning to go get my tug nut. Put
on the back that I had seventy three saves in
a game. I didn't go against anybody else.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Look at demp drop of the hockey knowledge. When I
worked at ESPN years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'm knocking Chris Berman going to the World Series in
twenty thirteen Red Sox, and I said, Chris, I guess
gotta say one thing to you. Of all the lines
you ever said, the funniest was Ron cough pleays tug nut.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
No, and honestly like, I'm a West Coast guy, right.
I grew up out outside of Vancouver, BC. The Canucks
were my jam. But yeah, I could get on the
French channel, I could get Nordiek's games so like, so
there would always be the chance to be able to
do that. So I had this like kind of like
weird love of the Nordeaks for somebody who never watched
them play. I never went to the Pacific Hall scene
(15:07):
and watched them play. Yeah, you know, I just never
got there. And it wasn't until later on that they
moved to Colorado. I became an ABS season ticket older.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Oh really, so you.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Stayed with you you kept the the brotherhood of being
with the Nordeeks when they went to the Avalanche and
who yeah, who was your when you started with them?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It was like your team and what was your favorite
team of the ABS?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, I would say when I started with the Nordeeks
it was like, you know, the Michelle Goulet and Peterston's
stay Yeah, Stasny brothers, and that was kind of like,
you know who I fell in love with, and then
Sackic and then they go to Colorado and I ended
up becoming a little bit of friends with Forrestburgh for
a little bit, and so I just kind of you know, yeah,
(15:50):
I rooted for them in a big way and it
was I ran right into it. It was like a
perfect timing too. I moved there in the early two
thousands to Denver and the Nordy the Avalanche were just,
you know, a stud team and it was a lot
of fun and it was season ticketab Liver for a
few years. Still it's still kind of root for him
just because of that.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
All right, let's do baseball. Torpedo bat. Everyone's talking about
it now.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's not new, as you know, it was used by
some times last year. It seems like the Yankees, though,
damper using it to their advantage unlike anyone else. And
Aaron Judge, for the record, goes, hey, I haven't changed
my bat. I hit home runs about what I'm using,
but it certainly seems to be talk. It's really linked
right now to the Yankees. As a pitcher. What's your
thought on the bat?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I'm fine with it, you know, listen, I love that
when you're talking about Aaron Judge. My old teammate Glennon
Rush had a great line. He's like, Aaron Judge, could
it fifty with the shaft of a foe iron?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like it doesn't really mean Look at that game when
they hit nine home runs. In that game, eight of
those nine home runs were either fastballs down the middle
at ninety to ninety three or they were hanging breaking balls.
They were missedlocation. And I think that's what it's kind
of getting lost in all of this is like because
we love to find something we you know, our game
(17:02):
is always miired in some sort of controversy, right dicky
substances from the players, peds, this thing, cheating, you know,
guys hammer early on, trash cans. Whatever we can find
that we want to attach some sort of controversy. We
have to the bigger problem. Where the bigger issue is
we have an inability to control a baseball and throw
it where we want to throw it, you know, And
(17:23):
it's a it's and it's multitude of different reasons. One,
there's such a high stress on velocity, so that's the
number one focus. It's not about location. Like I threw
bullpens and Larry Rothchaw who's my pitching coach, and if
I wasn't hitting my spots, he didn't care how hard
they threw it. And now that that has changed, that
is a bold because it'll let you get away with
mistakes right wrong, If you throw it down the middle,
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it's still gonna end up on the other side of
the fence against good hitters. And that's the reality. Like
I watched the game the other day it was the
Reds versus the Rangers. Rockers throwing ninety seven ninety eight,
Brady Singer's throwing ninety one ninety three. Brady Singer is
dotting an ascess. It is on the corner all over
the place, and Kumar Rockers splitting the plate at ninety
eight is getting tattooed Ledli cre hits two homer seven.
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RBIs like, it doesn't matter if these guys are so good,
these hitters are so good with mistakes. If you make
them in the zone, they're gonna hammer them. And when
you don't have, you know, good stuff, it's gonna get
hit even harder. And then you have all the injuries.
So with injuries, you're bringing up lesser players, lesser players
who aren't as polished, and guys who are coming from
the minor leagues with less experience. They can't command pitches,
(18:27):
they try to throw an inside basketball, leaks over the plate, homers.
So I'm not sold on this whole torpedo thing. I
understand the concept of the torpedo bat that I get that.
I'm wondering why we haven't been doing sooner. If we're
looking for competitive edges, if that's your place where you
normally hit it. Move the barrel of the bat. There's
been never been a rule against that, you know. But
(18:48):
like Ken, Griffey Junior used a C two seventy one
for his entire career, thirty four inches long, thirty one
inches in wait because he that bat is skinny, skinny,
skinny long at the end, and that's where he hit.
Most of his balls were from the label to the
end of the bat, so that's where all the way
eight on his bat was. So it's nothing new. I
think we're just seeing a byproduct some really crappy pitching,
(19:09):
to be honest with you, and.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Just real quick on the bat, Griffy said, by the way,
because Greg.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Greg Council, the Cubs manager, had the exact same bat,
and he said this to Griffy. He's like, hey, you
and me at the same bat. And Griffy said, Tom,
it's not the arrow, it's the Indian counts.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
That was worth you cutting me off. That was a
good one.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Damp your world's coll out of New Year's z former team,
the Cubs hosted the Winter Classic at Wrigley You were
there for the festivities.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Tell me all about it.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Oh man, it was incredible. Fresh off the plane. I
was in Vancouver. Took a flight from Vancouver back, got
delayed a little bit, so hopping the doors in the
in the door for honestly, dude, I was at home
with my wife, kids like nine bags Christmas trip and
my parents like she's at the inlaws. She's not the happiest,
you know, Like I can't wait to get home. I said, Babe,
I'm out of here. I'm going in the Winter Classical.
(19:58):
See you later. And I went over. I came into
the stadium as the anthem was finishing, and I meet
my buddy and we go to a suite. I was
sitting with Jamie Faukner and the president of the Blackhawks,
and Colin Fucker's, uh, he's the with with us with
the Cubs and marketing, and and then you got McCaskey,
George McCaskey and his son and Brandon Johnson, the mayor,
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and it was just packed. You know, there's like secret
service in there. And I'm like, this is not I'm
not here for this. So me and tj Anerino, my buddy,
we took four beers and we went up into the scoreboard.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh do do.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, and we pulled that. Dude, the best seat in
the house by far.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It was I miss that invite.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Sorry, dude, I looked for you, but I was. Yeah,
but it was great. It was a little bit troubling
when you had to use the bathroom, but hey, that's
what defends was for.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, I mean I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So that's like the best seat in the house in
Wrigley Are there any other little tricks in like secret
things about Wrigley Field that the fans or you know
that don't know about that, you know, just providing you
with some great stories.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, like there there really is. Like I said, the
scoreboard is unbelievable. Just that, even if you can't go
up in the scoreboard, just to go up into the
top of the bleachers in center field and take that
in is unreal. It's so great. My favorite hiding spot
is the right field corner deck area because, like you know,
as a former cub, when you walk around, I'm not
saying I'm famous, but like people recognize me Da Damp.
(21:22):
You don't pictures and autographs, and that's fine. I love it.
But like, if I ever just want to get away
because everybody's facing the field and nobody's looking back behind.
You got this great view of everything. You're kind of
a level down. Never take the elevator, you're gonna wait
too long. Always take the Concourse causeway. There's like a
zigzag causeway that goes up. That's way, way better than
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the bleachers. You can't beat going to the bleachers. It's
better than any other bleachers in the big leagues. There's
nothing like it. The people are nuts, they're drunk. There
might be a wedding, bachelor parties, bachelorette parties, cup snakes.
You know, it's it's just the best time ever. Man Like,
my brother flies down with a bunch of Firefighters's a
firefighter Vancouver. They fly down every year and they go
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and they sit in the left field bleachers. They play
the cup game with the dollar bills and the ball
and all that stuff. It's it's the best team crank Yeah, no, good. Absolutely.
We've had so much fun in the bleachers. And I've
had fun as a player with those fans that are
in the bleachers over the years and have memories, you know,
memories and relationships with those guys. At the last lifetime.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Baseball is a brotherhood for good reason, Damp and clearly
you see that chemistry with you and Malara on intentional
talk and with our buddy Sean Casey and Tho those
great years with the Red Sox. I always think of
the great you know, ballplayers and the fact they could
pull pranks in each other and just anything goes. What's
the best prank either you pulled or one are your
teammates pulled?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Oh wow, good pranks. Yeah, I mean there's the will
Omen pranks top the top. So I was always a prankster,
like you know, whether that was putting a leaner on
a guy's door and you know, with what with what
in it?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Though, I was pretty nicelavorable that don't know what's a
leaner or or trash.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Can can't be too tall because you remember, when you're
looking at the people, you can kind of see down.
So you get a trash can you fill it with liquid?
You know? It depends right, like, Yeah, some guys, hey listen,
if they're not if they're not a good guy, you're
gonna learn really fast how to be a good guy.
And uh, I typically was water that was generally my
like thing. You know, maybe gatorade you can color it
a little bit something like that. You put it against
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the door of the hotel door and you knock on
it real loud, and then you just walk away and
then they look out the people and there's nothing there.
So I'm gonna check it and boom. It's like just
to get It's like you just the damn just got unbridge.
You just hear you all these f bombs start getting dropped,
and it's just great. You know, it's so fun. Depending
I did, I did, yeah, oh yeah, depending what's in there.
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It is the worst I've been. I've been a victim
of it too. It's not it's not a good time.
One of my favorite ones that I that I started
to do in guys and it's it's hard work because
you know, in hockey you guys have roommates, but in
base we had our own rooms, which is awesome, but
also I kind of liked that roommate aspect. It's kind
of fun. And Todd Simpson, former NHL defenseman, was a
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good friend of mine and he used to do this
thing where he would hide stuff from the room and
the guy's luggage so when he got home and be
a coffee maker or I you know, like so I
started doing that. To do is on on road trips,
like somebody'd be like, hey, sweet in my suite and
on the night before getaway day, and I'd just be
stuff stuff in their bags, all kinds of stuff, the Bible,
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you know, like just whatever it was that was that
I could find in the hotel room.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
So we had what we had guys do, and I
ended up doing it a little bit halfway through my career.
Is if you got off the bus first, because the
rookies would wait, guys would run in and you know,
when you walk into the hotel, there's just a table
full of the you know, every guy's room card. Yeah,
room card is there with their name. So guys would
run and they typically every guy had two room cards
in there, so they'd run in. We'd run in and
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I'd take a room card. I'd run up to their room.
I'd look at the numbers, so I'd sprint up to
the room. Then you go to the bathroom and in
the water tank you pull out you pull out the
water hose and you just tuck it kind of just
inside so it's showing a little bit. So when the
guy comes off the long bus ride and goes you know,
takes a leak as soon as he as soon as
he goes to flush, just the water sprays all over
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every time that because no one would know, every dudy
would come in and the guys would kind of be
like sussing out there, like they're like who who who
kind of did it? And they're like hey JD, like
oh yeah, like I got you know, water shot all
over me. Yeah, well fuck man, geez, that's tough. And
they're like you did it, didn't You said up a
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bitch like nope, never did it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
No. And it's funny too, and how you're saying, like,
dude's just like, oh you got It's like, you know,
it's like the park game. Now you got me. My
mouth was open, you know. It's like it's just like
the dudes are just totally cool with it, Like I'll
never forget. We went on on a trip. It was
a golf fundraiser in Saint Croix. All these ballplayers were
down there and we had these rooms that were kind
of we had like adjoining doors, you know to this
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like basically like room right on the beach, and everybody
had their own suite. And earlier in the trip, Mark
Sweeney now you know, a former major league outfielder. Yeah,
super great guy. And so Mark and and Malar kind
of messed with my my room. They put like suran
wrap over my toilet, you know, so the same sort
of thing. It's like, I got me man all over
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my knees middle of the night. They like saving they
shaving creamed all the inside of my towels, but then
hung them back up. So like when I face out
off later.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Ye shaving cream the same one in the room.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, you know what these
guys do. Like, I'm just like, nah. So We're all
out of dinner on the last night, and I'm like,
I got an idea, and I got I got man
damn anybody else that tea food get them, you know.
And I'm kind of pretending I got a bad boiler,
you know. And I'm like, I'll be I'll be right back, man.
So I leave, and I when you talk about sprint,
because I knew I only had so much time before
they get suspicious. I sprinted from the main resort all
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the way down the hill to the rooms, and I
took Sweetie's entire room, put it on his veranda, like
I moved the coffee table with the books. I put
his phone out there. Anything glued. Yeah, just the bed
was perfectly made. And then I just locked my door
and they're pounded on the door, like I moved the
whole bed. Dude, I moved the bed and remade it
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because I say, I'm trying to carry this, like you know, Chris,
it's this mattress out and it's falling apart, and I'm
like putting the bed back together. It was just it
was awesome. It was I love that stuff, and I
missed that. Probably. I try to do that at the
network now, but I keep getting called at the HR.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I haven't started trying it yet. But there's a couple
of couple of jokes you can make with the boys.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But yeahs is gonna like this if ranges are So
I've got to tell the story at the All Star
Game last year in Seattle and in the gym dem
comes in. We're just kind of loosen up here on
the treadmill, like I I went up to last time.
I God, I much watch William how about you? And
you said to me, I was hanging out with Eddie
Vedder and we're listening to the new unreleased music of
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the Rolling Stones.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That is an all time flex by you.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Dude. That night was I'll tell this story a little
bit because I think it's I think it says volumes
about ed So I get a text from him and
THEO SAI come down the house to Eddie's got he's
got his house in Seattle. And then down the street
he bought the beach house, just kind of down the
street and it's just this nice, beautiful property and it's
right on the water. And so I show up and
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it's and it's him and Woody and uh he works
with the league and and then Chris snow former general
manager with the assistant general manager with the with the
Flames and at this time, you know, he's going through
the als stuffs hitting him really hard. You know, he's nonverbal.
He can still walk, you know, harder to move his
(28:56):
arms and stuff like this, and and so we're all
drinking coronas and it's kind of that you've got a
fire going. And then it's like, you know, hey, man,
you know you're not gonna believe this, but I got
to like he's telling the story. I got to cut
some music for the New Stones album you know, like
Ronnie Wood called me and I'm like, yeah, me too.
I was busy though, so you know, like uh, and
(29:17):
so the sound guy for Pearl Jam works with the
Stone they're cutting this album, so he doesn't want to
hear a few and we're like, yeah, let's go. So
he plays these and then he's like, all right now,
I'm gonna play this, but you promise you cannot. Let's like,
do not let this out, you know, don't tape any
of them, Like, we're not gonna tape it. And he
plays the entire Black Matter the new Pearl Jam album
six months before the Pearl Jam album is being released,
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you know. And I know this for a fact, and
it wasn't it didn't need to be said. But the
only reason we heard any of that was because he
knew that Chris only had so much time left on
this earth and that there was a good chance he
wasn't gonna hear any of that music. And that, to
me is why Eddie is one of these iconic legends,
(29:59):
Hall of Fame superstars that truly touches other people's lives
in a way that we can only image. And you know,
and it was just unreal for him to do that,
you know, and and and I'll finish with this. So
we get done at the end of the night, and
then THEO and what are you We got to get
to Chris back then it's cold out. We can't get him.
I think he gets sick, you know. We got to
get him back to the hotel, you know, so he
(30:21):
can't tell us that he doesn't, you know. And he's
kind of like looking at me like got it, Like
I can tell. And I kind of had a few
to me cronos. I'm like, go, why are we going?
You have another album? You can make real quick ed Like,
let's make something right now, you know, Like we're having
a plast. So we get in the car, we take
him back to his hotel. THEO takes him up to
the room. Chris's wife right drops him off at the hotel.
(30:42):
Next day, I get a text message. It's a group
text message from THEO that said, uh, by the way,
I got this from Chris's wife said, Chris had the
best time of his life last night. Didn't want to leave.
Not sure why you guys took him home.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You guess in peace, buddy, I know you're up there. Man.
It was a night to never forget. Man, it was
unbelievable awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Oh man, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And I mean you mentioned it's just so cool to
see those stories and the brotherhood of even though you're
within your different sports, it's I mean, you're all going
through the same stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
By Eddie, And I want to talk about somebody as
well that kind of touched you a little bit in
your careers, Dusty Baker, the manager and and and talk
to me a little bit about him and your best
Dusty Baker story.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah, he was great with me. Like I came over
to the Cubs three after a three season, I had
Tommy John And part of my deal was I signed
a one year deal, not going to basically pitch until
at least August and recovering from Tommy John and and
then they the team had an option if I was healthy.
It was kind of like the New Wave deal at
the time for getting injured players to be able to
(31:51):
And my thing was, I don't want to sit in
Arizona and just like be in the heat and rot
down here, like I've been in the big leagues for
five years already, you know, Like this was an injury.
It wasn't I wasn't good enough. So I just kind
of be with the team. And Dusty was great, man,
He's like absolutely, and right off the bat in spring training,
I was being treated He treated me like I was
prior or would It wasn't that I was some injured
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guy that might not ever pitch for him. And I
just instantly took to that. I was like, wow, man,
this is really awesome. And he always was asking me about,
you know, where I was from and my family and
all these things that weren't baseball. And I really appreciated that,
like so much. And he just was great that way.
He treated the veterans so well, and he lved me
in that category. And you know, and then as the
season kind of went along, you know, and I was
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getting closer, you know, he was just always pulling for me.
Like even if I was on a rehab start and
a ball and the team was on the road, he'd
shoot me a message like how the game go, you know,
like he didn't know where I was going to be,
you know, a few months from there. But we just
developed a great relationship and he was one of those
guys like if we if we pulled into a you know,
a city, and he always had like he loved the
(32:58):
soul food, right, Like, he always had these awesome restaurants
and he would show up on day one with like
Cain upon container. Eat up, boys, that's good food. That's
got hits in it. You want you want seven? Shout out?
Eat that. Like he was always nourishing us and like
what do you need? You know, And he was just
so much, so much fun that way, and he he
you know, lots of great stories like shoot, I remember
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serving cookies and nothing but an apron at Stanley's one
night in Chicago and I turned around and there's my manager.
I'm like, a, first of all, what are you doing?
I thought this was a player only bar and you're
in here, and so I just kind of was like, hey,
do you want a cookie? He's like no, I'm gonna
put some pants on, you know. Like it was just
like he was just a blast, and he you know,
he was always having fun and he was just he
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was awesome.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I was so happy for him when they won the
World It was the one thing that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You know, oh man, everyone hates was happy for Dusty Vanker.
All right, we'll let tempt out here. I hate doing
this to you because I know it's like, you know, dance,
Monkey Dance. But no one does a better Harry Carry
than you. So I'll give you a template. You know
how much you love movies. Valcolmer passed away. Can you
give me Harry Carrey on Val Kilmer his career broadcast
game with Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Whatever you got, Harry Carry, Val Kilmore go ahead.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, well, you know you know that it's a good question.
First of all, my condolences to the to the Kilburt
family and friends. We lost a legend. You know this
guy right here, he was a saint. You know he
did he did everything. He brought the heat. You know,
this guy like Nolan Riot. He brought the heating. And
(34:31):
I'll tell you what what a rock star. I mean,
I didn't even know. To me when I watched that
movie The Doors, I thought it was actually Jim Morrison
on Heroin, but it was Val Kilmore. And and to
see him come back and and let Tom cruise, No,
Maverick that the iceman is the best pilot. And that's
(34:54):
a fact Jack. So Val Kilmore rest in peace. Val.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Harry Carry.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Tremendous tremendous Ryan Dempstick see what an intentional talk weeks
an that willb network. Hopefully we get some LB tonights
together at some point. Best the family is.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Always love that you're the best. You got it, dude,
all right, thanks so much for Ryan Damps. So obviously
all time break too.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Think now Jad's and me to Harry carry presents all
day cinefan on sixty it's devastating news. Val Kilmer died
late Tuesday at the age of sixty five. I mean,
this is obviously a very talented actor. I'm not sure
if you had a chance to need to watch the
Valied documentary give it a few years ago. It was
amazing to see him later in his life now, just
reflecting what he's able to do obviously after his battle
with cancer, unable to talk so you know, able to
speak through a machine, but reflecting on his life and
(35:45):
you know, we get to now pay tribute to an
obviously wonderful actor. People are gonna talk about Top Gun
Maverick and I think the movie and Tom Cruise are
very overrated, but that it was a great scene when
you see Val Kilmer today and obviously going back with
Maverick and all this stuff, and obviously the original Top Gun.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
People have a lot of fans of that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
However, the debate that you and I will have is
over what is the best Val Kilmer movie?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Because for me, it's Heat.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And before I answer for you, I know you're gonna say, well,
I'm not saying it's a better movie, it's a better performance.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'll say both.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm saying not only the movie and the performance by
Val Kilmer, because yes, Dannier and Pacino the show stoppers,
but Kilmer, he is a valuable supporting part of that movie.
Michael Man's movie is so atmospheric and so beautifully shot,
and of course the score of the bank robbery scene.
But Kilmer is that hair trigger temper, you know, and
he's got one of the great lines of the movie.
Always remember people, Tom Sizemore's line for me, the action
is the juice. I think Kilmer's got one of the
(36:29):
best lines ever felt love. When Daniro asked him early
on you got something on the side, he says, yes,
cheating on his wife. He goesys, she he goes no,
and he says, what do you think about how things
are gonna go? And Kilmer says for me, the sun
rises and sets with her all time beautiful line. And
later on when he gets denied no boy No by
Ashley Judge, he gives him the nonverbal eh. The look
in his face that is the look of a man
whose absolute.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Soul was just crushed. I love Valcimer.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
He could play tough, he could play sensitive heat all
time great performance.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Go ahead, give me your I'm your Huckleberry.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I mean, Doc Holliday. It's one of the greatest performances,
you know, for him.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
The whole time I thought.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
You were near death, I'd be a hucklebar. A funny
quick story about that. So I'm on NHL Network with
Stu Grimson and we go we're on a late show.
We're doing NHL Tonight. So it's like the eleven PM
we're talking about. It's like eleven or twelve. We're talking
about Dallas Stars, and you know where Why Johnson was
(37:24):
having a game, and I kind of just went, I
just went, I got two. I go why Johnson got
two goals? Two guns for the both of you, And
he goes, he like perks up, but he looks at
me and clearly I didn't know this appened, like one
of his favorite movies. He starts quoting throughout the whole show.
He's quoting Tombstone the whole time. I'm like in tears.
(37:47):
And then after the show he goes and tell me,
do you know the line's not I'm your huckleberry, It's
on your huckle bearer. So I go, I go, really,
it's like, okay, So he goes, I'm your huckle bear
because huckle bear is when you were the you were
carrying the coffin.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's on the coffin. Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So so now before I'm telling everybody this, now I've
told ten people this, okay, So before we come on
this show today, I go, we're gonna talk Val Kilmer.
I got to really make sure is it I'm your
huckle bear or I'm your huckleberry. So I look it up,
like an asshole, I've told everybody, like ten people.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I look it up.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's always been I'm your huckleberry. Val Kilmer even wrote
about it in his book that he quotes the book
I'm your Huckleberry.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
So Steve Dempson led me astray, and.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'm like the asshole run the round, But I love that.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Did you hear?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Did you hear it's I'm your huckle.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We always had people like the people who have takes
a strong conviction.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You go, no, that's not true. It's one hundred cent.
You can see as loud as you want or strong
as you want. It's not true to but I love.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
People, but I I do believe Doc Holliday.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
The other two close ones is when he plays the
Sherpa in his cameo and entourage is unbelievable and you
can't deny him, as Deeter von Kampf and mcgruber cannot.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You can't incredible delivery of the name alone.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Dear, let's time to pounce some com Kilmer didn't say officially,
but I think it's pretty clear that it was heat frame.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Here a quote from Val what she said on his instagram.
Imagine being able to say Alan Bob for the rest
of your life. Not many people can do that. I've
seen Bob giggling like a schoolgirl in a van in
the middle of the night because we have to be
quiet because they're filming outside. I've been hugged by al
Pacino in the middle of downtown Ellie like he was
my older brother. I've shot live rounds from high power
to assault weapons over Bob's head while rehearsing lines for
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a film, I got to kiss Ashley Judd. I sometimes
lived at Michael Mann's house. I'm in one of the
greatest Cops and Robbers films in film history.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It is absolutely unbelievable. I was in No Hoster. For
God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'm I'm agree in agreement with you. It's one of
my favorite movies. It's his best movie. He's been in
his best I think his best character was Doc Holliday,
but I think Heat is. And you know they've now
submitted the script for Heat Too. I don't know if
you remake that without it. I don't know Tal.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
What do you think Tal coming in for the first time.
I like, he's also a big, real genius guy.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Go ahead and tell yeah, I do love real genius
top secret.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I mean, the Doors is incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Heat's an all timer for me.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
He's incredible, And I'm like, all I haven't read any
of the books, but I intend to. And I'm definitely
all in on Heat Too. And I'm you know that
whole film is premised on De Niro versus Paccino, and
of course those two guys are incredible in it. But
I mean Kilmer is sort of like he's that key,
key role player on that team, right, great as well,
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size More, Ashley Judd, even Hank Azaria.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I should have got mixed up with that bitch. Well,
she's got a Chris and you got your head all
the way up it. I love that.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
I set that up just so you could say that line.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I appreciate. I love love that. I love Kilmer.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You know, rest in peace.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Incredible, very unique career for a very unique leading man
in Hollywood history.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
That's a good call a unique look to him named
Val Kilbury. He did have a very kind of zigging,
zagging career. There's there's some bombs along the way. You know,
he kind of spoiled his talent at times. The Saint
was exactly a great film, but even even as Batman,
he wasn't a quintessential Batman. People always talk about Michael
Katon or Christian Bale, but he was Batman. Rest in
peace to Vl Kilmore. Before we get to Corey Schneider,
we got to talk with the Sam Rockwell monologue The
(41:10):
White Lotus. I don't watch The White Loatus, and everyone's like,
did you see this Rockwell monologue? I love slam Rockwell,
like I'm in. It is absolutely unbelievable, him talking about
the fact he's now become a Buddhist, but he's just
he was basically a sex addict, and we wanted to
be able to trans woman.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
My wife's been selling me on it for two and
a half seasons, and I said, I'll just jump in.
You know, I got some time. And first scene I
jump in is just an incest scene.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Goggins or the guy. I watched the Goggins monologu, which
I thought is incredible. I love Sam Rockwell and Walton
Goggins are two of my favorite actors. I mean Walt
Goggins and anything he's doing, Vice Principles, all those things.
I think he's so funny. Sam Rockwell too, is just
great and everything he does and plays his characters so well.
(41:55):
So I love that monologue. But yeah, I came in
on the incest scene and I went, oh, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I said, just right into it, just sex else. But
this is what happens when you push the line and
all of a sudden incest is normal. And then we're
all talking about anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
How about a show GD that you're passionate about a
lot of people love it, Severance Ben's Stiller course directing it.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Adam Scott did really well.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
The Emmy's critically acclaimed you really enjoyed season two tow
not so much, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, I just I love the It gets you thinking,
it makes you think.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
It's very similar to life of a lot of people
talking about you going to work, just separated.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It's people.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's just two different people, your work life and your
home life. And they really take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Now. I don't know where they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Go that passed here with the goats and everything and
all that shit, but I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I really enjoyed it. I really like it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's thought provoking and it's it's your thinking of what
the hell is going on? And that's kind of more
my My style is more of the intelligent shows versus
just the sex cells, which is more you guys.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
But hey, hey, I've always loved Turro tell those ever
since Barton Fink. How great is to Turu in severs
I mean it isn't like a huge homo him and Christopher.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Waher, Oh, him and Christopher walk And when you listen
to tu talk about it. He's like, when he did
this scene and he had to do these relationships, he said,
I can only do it with Christopher walk who was
a good friend of mine. He's like, I want to
do it with somebody that I'm comfortable with. And I
love it. It's so great.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
But is it explicit like I've been saying, no.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
No, no, not at all. No.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It's like they just that's they tease it the whole time.
There's like they build an intensity between the both of
them the whole time that there's this love story.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
You stop, but.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Tell you know it's an overrated show. I mean nineteen
hours of Severance and mean, I got it. There's there's
a work life, there's a personal life. Okay, nineteen hours
this come on.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
I love the premise.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
The cast is awesome.
Speaker 6 (43:40):
It's a it makes me feel dumb because I'm always
confused watching this thing and then the i'll I'll say
is this It makes me feel like, do you remember
a while back someone taped a banana to the wall
and they called it art and someone bought it for
like millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, and there's people looking at this.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Is anyone else just seeing a banana tape to the wall.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I kind of felt that's.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Kind of how I felt a little bit watching Severance.
It's a quality show, but that's just that's the analogy.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm going to say a great takedown. Go ahead, that
is great. It's been ana on the wall. But let's
let's switch gears quickly. Talk about the studio. I loved listen, Yes, incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
In the first episode, He's gotta win an Emmy, he
was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
They're trying to bankroll a film about kool Aid, and
so you know they're willing to give Scarsese towo a
million dollars. He'said, well, I was just going to make
a movie with a jonestown massacre. And he's like, wait,
you mean when they drank the kolid He's a yeah,
I mean, I will tell you no further, but just
to say, Scarcese's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
In the two him crying it's fucked.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Up, Steve Busumi going oh yeah, is that? He goes,
is that scarczy? Are you crying?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
And he goes if biskem or is at BIESHEMI even
started debating how to say his name. It's a lot
of inside Hollywood chatterick again. I adored the Larry Sanders shows.
If you like shows about shows, if you love let's
say Tropic Thunder, which is about filmmaking, and you know,
a movie about movie making, you'll definitely enjoy the studio,
all right, Corey Stanner. He also can talk Seinfeld and
talk about goalies here he is coming up our next guest,
(45:02):
twenty six overall pick by the Vancouver Canocks two thousand
and four NHL Draft. You'd go into play more than
four hundred games to the Canuckston Jersey Devils in New
York Islanders. Now seen regularly with our friend Jason Dar's
NHL network Corey Schneider, I Believe three Straight Shifts and
HL Netwick and Joint seeing you guys in NHL now,
and also has the podcast One Time All Starts with
Brian Boyle. Schneid's great to see you. Thank you so
(45:23):
much for giving us the time. I know you're probably
tired of JD at this point, but appreciate the effort.
Let's get to the hockey. Then we'll get to the
Gofi LIBP later on. I do want to talk Seinfeld
with you. I want to talk to passions your Lambo impression.
Connor Hallibuck Heart Trophy. JD made the case earlier, Koutrovneck
get nearly enough Love for the Heart. A lot of
conversation McKinnon, drive us out, et cetera. How about you
do you think Connor Hallibuck should be the favorite for
(45:45):
the Heart. I mean, he is the vetting favorite, which
surprised me a little bit. But when you think about
it and actually kind of take a deep dive, which
our researchers did. I don't know that we did, but
you know, the last school to win it was Kerry Price,
so he sort of that's that's the standard you have
to set if you're gonna win it.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It's kind of like a.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
Pitcher winning the MVP and baseball, like you have to
hit a certain benchmarker or a certain press. And so,
I mean, he's first in every major category, wins, save, percentage,
goals against, the advanced analytics, the expected goals against, goals
saved above average, like across the board. You know, unanimous
number one guy. He might win forty five, forty six games,
best team in the league potentially. So you look at
(46:20):
that resume and you take the name away or you
say that's Carry Price in twenty fifteen or whatever it was,
and he'd be like, yeah, I mean, I don't know
if Kutrov, Dry Sidle and McKinnon sort of split the
vote a little bit where it's like, I can't pick
one of these three guys because they've all been so good,
but they're also not the levels they were last year
when they had one hundred and forty points and they
won the MVP. M ckinnon did and Kutrov should have,
right JD. So he got rough. So I mean, you
(46:43):
could make a compelling argument that you know, Hella Buck
is the most viable player in the league, but I don't.
For some reason, I was saying, I don't think he
gets the buzz that Carry Price did. Like when Carry
Price was having that year, it was like, oh my god,
look what Kerry Price is doing. He is the Montreal Canadians,
and then where would they be without him? And this year,
you know, Connor Hellbuck's a huge part of that team,
but they're pretty good team otherwise. So I don't know
(47:03):
if he's getting the same kind of buzz and love
which can go into a can factor and when people vote.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, I want I want to shop It was crazy too,
because we're on that show and we're both like, no,
it's like coot or stry title. And then they started
throwing all the stats. We're just mid show. We're like
looking at the other We're like, oh, maybe he should
win this. Actually this is pretty smart. The eye test
sometimes doesn't work. But I want to shift to uh,
your alma mater CA, the BC BC College, Boston College.
(47:33):
I want to hear your thoughts on the Ryan Leonard's
performance last night, and then also some other guys that
are getting there starts and Gabe Parole of who you're
most excited to kind of see and see grow. Because
I'm just working with you for three days, let alone
two years. I know how closely you watch and how
tied in you are with BC.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
Yeah, I thought Leonard was okay last night. I mean,
your hometown basically is from Massachusetts, played down the road
at BC. As you mentioned, playing in the garden in
your first game with the veatchkin and all the hypes
surrounding him, Like, that's a pretty overwhelming environment. It's almost
like jumping into a playoff game. So I mean I
thought for his first game he was fine. You know,
he didn't do a ton, wasn't as noticeable as you
might think. I think this year it's I think you
(48:14):
have to temper your expectations for these kids when they're
jumping in into a playoff push for you know, whether
it's Snugruot in Saint Louis or Perrot in New York
or Leonard with Washington, like, you're joining well established teams
that are are kind of humming along. So I mean,
if anything they can add, it's gravy at this point.
But I don't know if they're gonna have the impact
of like a macar or a Charlie McAvoy or Chris
Kreider did when they jumped out of college and basically
(48:36):
hop right into the playoffs and didn't miss a beat.
So you know, Leonard's a fantastic player. He's more of
a playmaker, you know, So I don't know if that
takes longer to adjust than just shooting the puck and scoring.
But again, you know, it'll take time. It'll take him
a few games. And if he can get these eight
games in and they find he can be valuable in
the playoffs, I think that's that's a good thing for
the Capitals. Just to assass and see, I can this
(48:56):
kild actually contribute in the playoffs when we need him
the most, or does he still need to learn? And
he's a bit of a liability, so we got to
sort of shelter him or maybe not play him in
the playoffs and the games matter the moment, Cory, I want.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
To ask you about, well, we got two options or
to to lose. We'll get to lu Ango in a second.
I'll ask you about Lou Lamarello, who treated to bring
me to New Jersey now or brought you over to
the Islanders. I get to work with Thomas Hickey. He's
got great Lou Lamorello stories. I want to hear your
take on Lou because he clearly could have been a
character in the Sopranos, not.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Just because he's in talent, but also that steely eyed
gaze of.
Speaker 8 (49:23):
His Yeah, Lou's, like you said, he's almost larger than life,
even though he's not that big of a guy. You know,
he's he's done great things for me. He's treated me
incredibly well. You know, Andy Green and I were sort
of sitting there doing the math, and Andy said that
every contract he signed his whole career was with Lou
Lamarillo between the Devils and the Islanders and from Yeah
and Me from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty three. I
(49:46):
was signed by Lou Lamarillo, so he's always taken care
of me and my family. So I always think I'm
inna appreciate him for that. You know, he's not for everybody,
I'll put it that way. He expects things a certain way,
he demands certain things. He's fair, he's honest, but you know,
if you don't fall in line or you're not with
the program, then and then he's not for you, and
you're probably not for him. So you know, I'm sure
(50:07):
there's horror stories. I think he's obviously changed with the
times since it's not nineteen ninety five anymore. It's twenty
twenty five, so you can't do or treat the guys
the way you probably could back then. And not that
he was unfair, but you know, he was a hard edged,
demanding guy, and he was around all the time, even
though his general manager. The one thing I've known from
him is I've never seen a GM more present than
he is. And I think that I don't want to
(50:27):
say fear, but that knowing that Luke could be around
the corner at any moment. Keeps guys in line a little bit.
You know, you walk around on eggshells a little bit
because you're like, oh, lou might be listening, or you
might hear this if you're sort of complaining or doing
what you do as a player. So, like I said,
he expects a certain thing, but he's not unfair. He'll
tell you exactly what he thinks. And some guys like
that because you know where you stand, and other guys
don't like that because they don't want to hear the
truth sometimes. But yeah, I mean, I know guys who
(50:50):
I played with, Scott Gomez and at the end of
his career, and he said, when I hit Hackomer, he's like,
when I left The Devil's the first time I hated
lou Or I was like, I'm done with this guy.
And then he left and he's like, man, I didn't
realize how much I needed that structure and that discipline
in that, you know, because he kind of got left
up to his own devices and it didn't go as
well for him. So when he came back, he's like,
you don't really realize it, but he does. He takes
(51:10):
a lot off your plate in terms of distractions and
things you got to think about. You just got to
focus on hockey. And I think sometimes you don't realize
that until you go somewhere else and you're like, man,
this is a this is a bit of a bleep
show here, like there's no control or rhyme or reason,
like you know, I missed that that structure and knowing
exactly what to do.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Can you imagine a the g love You gotta give
me your what's your best Scotti gom story you got
because he the fact that he was as successful under
Lou La Morello probably shows you that it can work
having a verbose personality and being around lou.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
The best story Gohmer told me was when they were
actually in the island. They were on the island at
NASA playing for the Devils, and the kiss cam was
showing the crowd and they showed him and like another
guy in the bench. So Gomer was like, oh, I
just leaned over and pretend to kiss the guy on
the bench, just as a joke, like during the commercial break.
And he said, on the way to the bus, like
going down the hall, lou started to chasing him down the.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Hall is that.
Speaker 8 (52:01):
That's the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen, Like, how
could you do that to the you're supposed to be
playing the game. And Gomer started giving it to him back,
like just like screw you, Lou, like I'll do what
I want. And then Luke came after him. He just
ran him on the bus and like hit on the bus.
So they just got like a screaming match, and Goomer
just when he started coming at him, just ran and
hit on the bus and he's like, you can't get
me here. So uh yeah, that's just showing you that
personality that sometimes doesn't go so well.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Luke can be Farosa's no question about it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
All right, let's get to the other lou then, Roberto Lawongo,
you'll always be associated with him in Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
What do you got on Louis?
Speaker 8 (52:31):
Yeah, I mean we still stay in touch to this day.
We're in a fantasy football league together. He's a he's
a maniac with that stuff. He's like my safe, he's
like my sage when it comes to fantasy. I'm like, hey,
should I take this guy third or fourth? He's like no, no,
you want to wait on him? Like okay, cool, but yeah,
it's with a bunch of like ex Florida Panthers like
Peter Warrel and Rob Niedermeyer and just like the old
trainers from the nineties, kick your ass.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh he would. That's what I mean.
Speaker 8 (52:53):
That's why I'm a little nervous in that league. But no,
he We've had a good relationship, you know, he's uh.
We went out to Vancouver for his Ring of Honor
ceremony last year and got to catch up with him
and see his family and his kids, who were you know,
were like grown people now. But no, we always had
a great working relationship. He helped me out so much
in my career coming in the league, and you know,
(53:13):
I thought I knew how to work hard and how
to compete and what it took to be the guy.
And then I showed up that first full year in
Vancouver and I watched him for like two minutes like, oh,
that's that's what that is. So I just kind of
followed him around like a puppy dog, and whether he
knew it or not, I just watched what he did.
I took a lot of little cues and equipment things
from him, and you know, he wasn't sitting there just
reigning wisdom on me. But if I had a question,
(53:35):
he was more than happy to help out an answer.
And you know, I know, the whole story in Vancouver
got took kind of life of its own. But he
and I were always good where we were always cool,
We respected each other. Guy's a Hall of Famer now,
and you know I was always I would always go
to bat for him there standing in his corner because
he's a tremendous human And like I said, it's great
to see him finally win a Cup with Florida. Maybe
not as a player, but uh, you know again, he's
(53:56):
always somebody who will who meant a lot to me
in my career.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I was just I heard your huge Seinfeld. Guys.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I want to ask you, is is the contest the
greatest Sininefold episode, which I believe it.
Speaker 8 (54:05):
Is, Uh you do you know it's I'd have to
go back and rewatch a bunch and we had him
on like over the over the winter we were up
at our cabin. We just kind of throw it on
the background and there was something that was so funny,
like just ones you forget about that, you just the
moments and the scenes. The contest is one of the
all time greats. I'm just trying to think of somebout
like I still love the one where Costanzo, like his
(54:27):
his coworker at the Yankees thinks he's trying to get
him fire because he keeps doing things like getting the
cards signed without him and he's like, he screwed me again, Costanza,
you know, like, well, you know, like I think that
one's awesome. Yeah, anything involving Krammer, like the Kenny Rodgers episodes,
Terri terrific with the red light.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
In his bedroom.
Speaker 8 (54:44):
So chicken, yeah, Kenny Rogers chicken broccoli. Yeah, he's all sunburned.
So I mean, you know, we could go all day
on that. But I am I mean this might be controversial,
but I am like so out on Friends, Like I
never watch Friends. I just think that I always thought
Friends was a less funny version of sein film. It's like, well,
(55:05):
it's a bunch of friends in New York City getting
together in their day to day shenanigans, and I'm like,
Seinfeld just did it better.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
So I'm gonna watch Seinfelden shines. This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Man, can't think you love See NHL Network and thanks
for being a HL and Scripted.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Good luck with the pod.
Speaker 8 (55:17):
You got it, guys, so I will do it again sometime.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
All right, thanks so much everyone listening to NHL and
Scripted any chorus, Dyer, Ryan Dempster, both those guys were awesome.
Of course, thanks to Jason burse you can always see
on NHL Network.
Speaker 5 (55:30):
JD.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
This is fun man. We'll do it again soon.
Speaker 9 (55:32):
Yeah, I'm your huckle berry.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
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is a fantastic episode. Corey Schneider, our buddy from NHL Network.
(00:26):
It's gonna be honest. You got great stories about lou
La Morello and ROVERTA. Lawongo, among others. Plus Ryan Dempster,
MLB Network colleague and friend. Obviously a great picture, one
of the greatest pictures ever in Canadian baseball history. He's
got hockey stories as well, being at the Winner Classic
there as he's a former member of the Chicago Cubs.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But Jady would begin.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
With the fact also by the way Senophon sixty, Val Kilmer,
I gotta pay tribute to him. I'm your Huckleberry, of course,
I know he love Tombstone. Cal mccarr just got back
from watching the Avalanche Avalanche Flames unbelievable game. Now the
Flames come back, they're down to nothing and they win
this game in the shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Dan Bladar starting was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But honestly, what I was taken with is Cale mccarr
absolute beautiful goal to open the scoring. I got to
speak to him early that day, and as you know,
previous week, I got to see the Canucks, so Quinn
Hughes one day that I got to watch KEYL mccarr
in person.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
He's obviously an incredible defense. But here's what I'm a
throw to you.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I asked him, for a guy with your kind of
offensive skill, you could have played any position. Why did
you play defense? He could have been McKinnon and he said, no,
you're right. As a kid, I played every position. But
I just love the idea of playing defense as a quarterback.
That's why I want to do it so much. And
I said, did you ever watch video of these guys,
Bobby Orr whoever? He's like, No, he goes. Honestly, I
was just inspired by the guys around me. I love
Drew Dowdy because I obviously took a lot from Dowdy's
game in terms of his decision making when he's able
(01:35):
to do. Carlson is another big influence on me. But
what Cale mccarr is doing right now, I mean, if
he's your passes. Mike Green, who had a historic thirty
one goal season back in eight nine, that'd be the
highest goal total for defenseman since Kevin Hatcher had thirty
four back in ninety two ninety three. I know you've
spoken a lot about Rerensky, we had him on the pod.
I know you love Quinn Hughes. But how great is
cal mccarr.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh, I'm just gonna say this, and I might just
finish it with one line. He's gonna go down as
the best defenseman of all time.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Wow, ahead of Bobby Orr.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, I think he is. I always put it into
categories of like what constitutes somebody to be the greatest
of And I don't like to compare eras. You know,
I'm not the carving are like for me, Crosby right
now is the greatest of our era. I think he's
the go to the era. I wouldn't compare him to Gretzky,
but you could make an argument and if you look
(02:24):
at his body of work, but Cale mccarr will like,
but that's Crosby aside. But Cale mccarr will go down
as the greatest defenseman. I think he transcends. He's gonna transcend,
transcend eras and he could be one of those guys.
He's so good offensively, so good defensively. He's so powerful,
so strong, what he does, what he brings out of players.
(02:44):
And you know, we can talk about Nathan mckinnuntil we're
blue in the face of being the Hart Trophy and
and but what as a defenseman in that position, I
don't think there will be somebody better coming out. He
is just the gold standard. And yeah, I would, I would.
You could put him in any era and he'd be dominant.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I love that take, by the way, because I asked
him just like human interest stuff, I said, after Kale
Holse the former Flame, He's like, that's right, he goes.
My dad did some stuff with the Flames and marketing.
My mom was pregnant at the time. They like to
name Kale and I looked to baptor his being our
buddy Thamas Sikey. Kale Hols I think in his career
had eighty five points, like.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
K kale is blowing the doors up and what Kale
Hol's could have accomplished.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And as far as nicknames like Kale Salad or Kale
juice and call ma car Goes, I get both because
I don't mind Kale juice actually because they called me
juicer a little bit, like, all right, Kale.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Juice, you did that kind of journalism.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's a ninety second arrival interview would just be boring.
And Bland, I got some good stuff out. Everybody does
kale with a seed, not a cake. Come on, you
better and he's a big Back to the Future guy.
Shout up to Lawrence Goldstein. Later on Your Corey Scheider
mentioned the Angel Network research team.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I asked LG.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
He goes, ask himbout Back the Future and before we
started again, never asked a question.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Never ask a question. It's your kids. Somebody's got to
be thought about your kids.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Never ask a question which you don't know the answers.
If you have a second, I just go, hey, I
read that Back the Future is your favorite movie and
the cargoes it was my favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
But it's up there.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I okay, you did it one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Thank god on the air. I just go I heard
you're a big Back of the Future fanings. Oh I
love it, love the franchise. I go, you're like a
Dolory out there, buddy, go get him, and he certainly did.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Delareian can go in any yeah, any generation. But wow,
this is a tough night for you. I gotta, I gotta.
It was a great I gonna start pre interviewing you.
I need to me as a friend, just like the
open ended questions.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
We know that's going on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Question yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
We never never.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Asked a question you don't know the answer to because
you're in trouble if you're you know, that's a lot
of it's a lot of mots ball hanging out there.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Could you imagine if I said, I've heard you were
named for kel Hols, because that's not true. I don't
know where you got that from?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
A disaster? Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Okay, Well we had uh, we we had you know,
we're gonna have an interview with Corey Schneider, but we
had Jordan cairou on and in our notes it said
had would finished second place in a fortnight tournament back
during COVID. So Corey Schneider takes it and he goes, hey,
I heard you finished second in a fortnite He goes.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He goes, no, we finished first. He goes, what do
you think second?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
And he just oh, okay, great, dead, We're dead in
the water on air live just dead.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
You're right, good, pretty to read, be nice.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I know you want to talk about Kutrov and for
good reason right now in the Atlantic Division. So Toronto's
actually six to one in one of the last eight games.
That could potentially put a strangle on the division. If
they've got two games against Florida one against Tampa the
next week, so we could get battle of Ontario Toronto,
Ottawa and Florida Tampa Bay in the first round.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
That'd be really great.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But you want to give some love toa Kida Kutrov
because you look at right now and again, Shane's gonna
talk with this as well. Hellibuck right now is the
favorite Triple Crown category in terms of wins, shutouts, say,
percentage goals against average, So he's a frentially four categories. Certainly, McKinnon,
who I just got to watch, is an incredible player,
but Kutrov might win the Art Ross. He's neck and
neck right now. McKinnon yet not getting nearly enough love
for the heart. Why isn't people getting more love to Cooch.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I just feel like there's still a bad taste from
the All Star Game from last year, and I think
that really hurt him. I was covering the awards and
I just didn't like the way it was handled. I
thought they kind of you know, I know, there's Joe
set award shows, but I think they kind of just
braid him a little bit too much, and you could
kind of sense it even before, like you know, he's
not winning this one, even though again, if you look
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at all the top five scores in the league, every
single one's the center. But Nikita Koutrov to be able
to produce that much offense and drive a line from
the wing position is so incredibly difficult. Now, Leon Dreistill
at times will go center wing with him and Connor together.
But what Nikita has done and does every single season,
the last two specifically.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Just can't go. You can't discount that.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Like you know, as a centerman, you're gonna probably get
five to ten assists, especially if you're always starting the
offensive zone where you win. The draw goes back to
the point, there's the shot, a goal, you get an assist,
it happens.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
It is what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He doesn't get any of those touches, but everything is
run through him. On the power play. We thought that
Stamkos is gone, they're not. He's not going to be
as effective. I mean, he's even more effective. He just
elevates the play of everybody around him. And now listen,
Hella Buck. I think we were on the network and
we talked and I it's tough to not give it
to him because what he's done. He's first in every
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single category for a goaltender, his wins, he's about to
break the record for he I don't think he'll get it,
but he's close as close to winning the record for
most wins in a single season for a goalie. So
you know, it's it's tough to not give it to him.
And the odds makers are typically not wrong, you know
they're they're not far off. But I just can't believe
the love that he's getting. I think he's like plus
a thousand right now. And you know, not taking away
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anything that Leon Dreyset's under Nathan McKinnon. I think Leon's
been been the other guy. I would say that's not
talks about enough for the heart. I just think you
have to give it to him. You got robbed last year.
It has to be him or Hellibuck. But I don't
think it will be. But that's my my hot take
is you know, give it to him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Give your ballot be Hellabach koocher off, then McKinnon, those
be your three. Try cel not making the top three.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's have you seen in recent memory a heart trophy
that's this highly contested.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
No, it's been a great race. I'm with you even tho.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think, by the way, the call the race is
not because of fascinating same thing. I break down at
meach got the other day, swing low sweet chariot, beach
coff right now, each got right now, second in points,
celebrating your boys.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Third.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
The Flames are not gonna make the playoffs, but how
do you not get Wolf at least top three? I
think it's a great race. Hudson, Hudson's gonna win. I
think if the Abs win it.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It was super close, and I think a week ago
and then now it's a it's a two horse, one horse,
it's lane. Hudson's gonna get it. What he's done the record,
it's I tweeted about it. I think a week ago
that like he's the winner. He's gonna get Ittson.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He's got six as system his last two games.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But it's crazy. I mean the one last night was
got off.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I don't know what Sam Reinhardt's doing, just going down
and all on his knees there like that, just with
ten seconds of let the goalie see it. But you know,
I just think what Lane's done this year offensively, it's
you have we haven't seen that. I mean, he's in
He's in the same air as as Chris Chelios, Nick
Lenstrom for rookie defenseman with points, and I just think
it's it's not going to be seen in a long time.
(09:03):
I don't think after this, maybe we will because all
these offensive demon coming into the league. It's just a
different level these kids. But he is, what he's done
is great. I Celebrina just think he's it's too tough
the team he's on to produce and we're just not
going to see. And you know, last year, you look
at Connor Bedard, what he did on a bad team
with the points, and they gave it to him, even
though I thought it should have been brock favor But
brock Favorites didn't have the numbers statistically, But I thought
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what he did for his team was just merited him
winning the Calder. I think you're not going to see
that this year with Macklin versus Lane, Lane's gonna get
it all day and they're pushing for a playoff spot.
Matt Vey might make it close, but I think Lane
is now fully run away with it is going to
be a demon winning the Calder this year.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Book it Meetchkoff absolutely unshackled now that Torrella has gone,
Flyers playing inspired hockey.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Torch is gone, thank god, no more structure.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Bradshaw's letting us just just have some fun out there, Katoria.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
They all look like a different team, just.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Ripping his clothes off. He looks like Andy Dufrain and
shash Ankradem just crawled through four football fields of shit
to come out on the other side of free.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Each cow is just let me go right, and that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Team is that team's played well coming off of that,
and you know it's the coach's bump. But I think
they're just they all took a deep excel. But how
about that stuff with torts coming out? We talked about
him last episode, how you get fired? But all, did
you see the stuff that Ryan Whitney posted from spitt.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And chick Uts.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I haven't seen it, he said.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The Apparently the rumors coming out is that he told
Cam York if you resign here, like I'm gonna bury you.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh my god, fuck, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I do the coach.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
There's like stories of that around the league, where like
a coach is like, I'm gonna get you, and that
if you're if you're a player, like is the worst
thing you could possibly hear because there's no way out.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
You're dead. So he got saved. Cam York should be
thanking his lucky stars that Torts got fired.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, by the way, that's why it was interesting because
York trash but didn't play a single shift in brad
Shaw's first game.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
That's why I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I'm like, I know what Torts did or I didn't
know this specifically, but I'm like, what did Yorke do that?
It felt like he was being Peelans as well. But regardless,
one more topical and we're gonna get to Ryan Dempster.
Number of top college teams closing up their season, some
high profile prospects signing their entry level NHL deals, most
normally Ryan Leonard with the Capitals, Parole with the Rangers,
and Jimmy Snuggerood with the Blues. Watching snugger Rood last night,
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loved Dave snugger Rud who was there and being interviewed,
former Shark, former flyer. Great to see him there and
you see obviously what Jimmy was able to do. What
do you make g D The players straight out of
college try to make an impact of the hockey team.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You saw a car course do it years ago.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I don't know if we'll see, you know, somebody doing
what McCart did or Charlie McAvoy. But I think there's
some really good players coming out of college. I just
think Snugger Ruod I watched that game last night. I
thought he did well. But you know, it's a tough
game to come into you coming out of college, A
team's on a nine game heater, and then you just please,
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for the love of God, don't let me lose this
game that I'm in. And I'm my first game in
the NHL, and I'm going to be the reason, not
the reason, but if they lose the game, everybody's gonna
be like Snugger Ruds. They lose, and they it was
it was touch and go, it was twelve seconds left
and they make Jordan kyru bails him out and then
they end up winning an overtime.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
But I would have been just oh, it would have been.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Just so tough. You're just sitting there dejected. I had
something similar My seven hundredth game was like I came
in and we're playing I was playing it with Edmonton.
We're playing Santos Sharks, a game we should win. Connor
McDavid was chasing a record. They were kind of on
a heater. And then of course they start the game
and I make a turnover. We're down one nothing, and
I'm like, oh god, I'm like my seven hundth game,
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We're gonna end up losing, and then they're gonna be like,
get this guy at it here.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
We ended up winning six to one, so it was
all fine.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
But I think for Snugger Root, good start he made,
he hit the post, made some good plays, and then
obviously Ryan Leonard. You know, I thought it was a
feeling out process for Leonard as well. I mean a
lot of pressure for him at TD Garden, all of
his boys there.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I thought he got a good.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
You know, he had a good hit on on Veal
that was you know, all over Instagram. So I think
he's gonna be happy with that. And I thought the
guys were just great with him. And you know, it's
a game they should have won. Washington, they should have
beat him, and it was a lot tighter than he
probably would have wanted. But yeah, they they've kind of
worried me the last few games. It seems like they've
really taken their foot off the gas.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Washington.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
But you know, Leonard, congratulations, good job coming in, and
we got Gabe Perro. I think tonight what the range is.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Should be fun to see, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
We got obviously lots more hockey talk on the way
that Corey Strouderhill tellus who he'd vote for for the Heart,
plus stories about lou Li Morello and Robert of la Wongo.
But Ryan Dempster with the great Canadian pitchers of old time.
He's got great stories and a Harry Carry impression on
Val Kilmer films. It's coming up right after this.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Our first guest.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
The third round pick of the Texas Rangers the nineteen
ninety five Major League Baseball Draft, he was a two
time All Star World Stories champion in twenty thirteen and
won one hundred and thirty two career games the Florida Marlin.
Since then, I read Chicago Cubs, Texas Rangers in Boston
Red Sox. He was also inducted in the Canadian Baseball
Hall of Fame in twenty nineteen. He's one of the
best skating pitchers ever and most importantly a friend and
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a colleague at MLB Network with Intentional Talk, which you
can watch weekdays at four o'clock Eastern.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Rocking a Nordeek's jersey, Ryan Dempster, what is up, demp Yes, I.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Love this old school right here. I like, I'm actually
I've been meaning to go get my tug nut. Put
on the back that I had seventy three saves in
a game. I didn't go against anybody else.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Look at demp drop of the hockey knowledge. When I
worked at ESPN years ago.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I'm knocking Chris Berman going to the World Series in
twenty thirteen Red Sox, and I said, Chris, I guess
gotta say one thing to you. Of all the lines
you ever said, the funniest was Ron cough pleays tug nut.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
No, and honestly like, I'm a West Coast guy, right.
I grew up out outside of Vancouver, BC. The Canucks
were my jam. But yeah, I could get on the
French channel, I could get Nordiek's games so like, so
there would always be the chance to be able to
do that. So I had this like kind of like
weird love of the Nordeaks for somebody who never watched
them play. I never went to the Pacific Hall scene
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and watched them play. Yeah, you know, I just never
got there. And it wasn't until later on that they
moved to Colorado. I became an ABS season ticket older.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Oh really, so you.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Stayed with you you kept the the brotherhood of being
with the Nordeeks when they went to the Avalanche and
who yeah, who was your when you started with them?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
It was like your team and what was your favorite
team of the ABS?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, I would say when I started with the Nordeeks
it was like, you know, the Michelle Goulet and Peterston's
stay Yeah, Stasny brothers, and that was kind of like,
you know who I fell in love with, and then
Sackic and then they go to Colorado and I ended
up becoming a little bit of friends with Forrestburgh for
a little bit, and so I just kind of you know, yeah,
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I rooted for them in a big way and it
was I ran right into it. It was like a
perfect timing too. I moved there in the early two
thousands to Denver and the Nordy the Avalanche were just,
you know, a stud team and it was a lot
of fun and it was season ticketab Liver for a
few years. Still it's still kind of root for him
just because of that.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
All right, let's do baseball. Torpedo bat. Everyone's talking about
it now.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's not new, as you know, it was used by
some times last year. It seems like the Yankees, though,
damper using it to their advantage unlike anyone else. And
Aaron Judge, for the record, goes, hey, I haven't changed
my bat. I hit home runs about what I'm using,
but it certainly seems to be talk. It's really linked
right now to the Yankees. As a pitcher. What's your
thought on the bat?
Speaker 5 (16:30):
I'm fine with it, you know, listen, I love that
when you're talking about Aaron Judge. My old teammate Glennon
Rush had a great line. He's like, Aaron Judge, could
it fifty with the shaft of a foe iron?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like it doesn't really mean Look at that game when
they hit nine home runs. In that game, eight of
those nine home runs were either fastballs down the middle
at ninety to ninety three or they were hanging breaking balls.
They were missedlocation. And I think that's what it's kind
of getting lost in all of this is like because
we love to find something we you know, our game
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is always miired in some sort of controversy, right dicky
substances from the players, peds, this thing, cheating, you know,
guys hammer early on, trash cans. Whatever we can find
that we want to attach some sort of controversy. We
have to the bigger problem. Where the bigger issue is
we have an inability to control a baseball and throw
it where we want to throw it, you know, And
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it's a it's and it's multitude of different reasons. One,
there's such a high stress on velocity, so that's the
number one focus. It's not about location. Like I threw
bullpens and Larry Rothchaw who's my pitching coach, and if
I wasn't hitting my spots, he didn't care how hard
they threw it. And now that that has changed, that
is a bold because it'll let you get away with
mistakes right wrong, If you throw it down the middle,
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it's still gonna end up on the other side of
the fence against good hitters. And that's the reality. Like
I watched the game the other day it was the
Reds versus the Rangers. Rockers throwing ninety seven ninety eight,
Brady Singer's throwing ninety one ninety three. Brady Singer is
dotting an ascess. It is on the corner all over
the place, and Kumar Rockers splitting the plate at ninety
eight is getting tattooed Ledli cre hits two homer seven.
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RBIs like, it doesn't matter if these guys are so good,
these hitters are so good with mistakes. If you make
them in the zone, they're gonna hammer them. And when
you don't have, you know, good stuff, it's gonna get
hit even harder. And then you have all the injuries.
So with injuries, you're bringing up lesser players, lesser players
who aren't as polished, and guys who are coming from
the minor leagues with less experience. They can't command pitches,
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they try to throw an inside basketball, leaks over the plate, homers.
So I'm not sold on this whole torpedo thing. I
understand the concept of the torpedo bat that I get that.
I'm wondering why we haven't been doing sooner. If we're
looking for competitive edges, if that's your place where you
normally hit it. Move the barrel of the bat. There's
been never been a rule against that, you know. But
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like Ken, Griffey Junior used a C two seventy one
for his entire career, thirty four inches long, thirty one
inches in wait because he that bat is skinny, skinny,
skinny long at the end, and that's where he hit.
Most of his balls were from the label to the
end of the bat, so that's where all the way
eight on his bat was. So it's nothing new. I
think we're just seeing a byproduct some really crappy pitching,
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to be honest with you, and.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Just real quick on the bat, Griffy said, by the way,
because Greg.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Greg Council, the Cubs manager, had the exact same bat,
and he said this to Griffy. He's like, hey, you
and me at the same bat. And Griffy said, Tom,
it's not the arrow, it's the Indian counts.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
All right.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
That was worth you cutting me off. That was a
good one.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Damp your world's coll out of New Year's z former team,
the Cubs hosted the Winter Classic at Wrigley You were
there for the festivities.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Tell me all about it.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Oh man, it was incredible. Fresh off the plane. I
was in Vancouver. Took a flight from Vancouver back, got
delayed a little bit, so hopping the doors in the
in the door for honestly, dude, I was at home
with my wife, kids like nine bags Christmas trip and
my parents like she's at the inlaws. She's not the happiest,
you know, Like I can't wait to get home. I said, Babe,
I'm out of here. I'm going in the Winter Classical.
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See you later. And I went over. I came into
the stadium as the anthem was finishing, and I meet
my buddy and we go to a suite. I was
sitting with Jamie Faukner and the president of the Blackhawks,
and Colin Fucker's, uh, he's the with with us with
the Cubs and marketing, and and then you got McCaskey,
George McCaskey and his son and Brandon Johnson, the mayor,
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and it was just packed. You know, there's like secret
service in there. And I'm like, this is not I'm
not here for this. So me and tj Anerino, my buddy,
we took four beers and we went up into the scoreboard.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Oh do do.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, and we pulled that. Dude, the best seat in
the house by far.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It was I miss that invite.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Sorry, dude, I looked for you, but I was. Yeah,
but it was great. It was a little bit troubling
when you had to use the bathroom, but hey, that's
what defends was for.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, I mean I didn't even know.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
So that's like the best seat in the house in
Wrigley Are there any other little tricks in like secret
things about Wrigley Field that the fans or you know
that don't know about that, you know, just providing you
with some great stories.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, like there there really is. Like I said, the
scoreboard is unbelievable. Just that, even if you can't go
up in the scoreboard, just to go up into the
top of the bleachers in center field and take that
in is unreal. It's so great. My favorite hiding spot
is the right field corner deck area because, like you know,
as a former cub, when you walk around, I'm not
saying I'm famous, but like people recognize me Da Damp.
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You don't pictures and autographs, and that's fine. I love it.
But like, if I ever just want to get away
because everybody's facing the field and nobody's looking back behind.
You got this great view of everything. You're kind of
a level down. Never take the elevator, you're gonna wait
too long. Always take the Concourse causeway. There's like a
zigzag causeway that goes up. That's way, way better than
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the bleachers. You can't beat going to the bleachers. It's
better than any other bleachers in the big leagues. There's
nothing like it. The people are nuts, they're drunk. There
might be a wedding, bachelor parties, bachelorette parties, cup snakes.
You know, it's it's just the best time ever. Man Like,
my brother flies down with a bunch of Firefighters's a
firefighter Vancouver. They fly down every year and they go
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and they sit in the left field bleachers. They play
the cup game with the dollar bills and the ball
and all that stuff. It's it's the best team crank Yeah, no, good. Absolutely.
We've had so much fun in the bleachers. And I've
had fun as a player with those fans that are
in the bleachers over the years and have memories, you know,
memories and relationships with those guys. At the last lifetime.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Baseball is a brotherhood for good reason, Damp and clearly
you see that chemistry with you and Malara on intentional
talk and with our buddy Sean Casey and Tho those
great years with the Red Sox. I always think of
the great you know, ballplayers and the fact they could
pull pranks in each other and just anything goes. What's
the best prank either you pulled or one are your
teammates pulled?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Oh wow, good pranks. Yeah, I mean there's the will
Omen pranks top the top. So I was always a prankster,
like you know, whether that was putting a leaner on
a guy's door and you know, with what with what
in it?
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Though, I was pretty nicelavorable that don't know what's a
leaner or or trash.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Can can't be too tall because you remember, when you're
looking at the people, you can kind of see down.
So you get a trash can you fill it with liquid?
You know? It depends right, like, Yeah, some guys, hey listen,
if they're not if they're not a good guy, you're
gonna learn really fast how to be a good guy.
And uh, I typically was water that was generally my
like thing. You know, maybe gatorade you can color it
a little bit something like that. You put it against
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the door of the hotel door and you knock on
it real loud, and then you just walk away and
then they look out the people and there's nothing there.
So I'm gonna check it and boom. It's like just
to get It's like you just the damn just got unbridge.
You just hear you all these f bombs start getting dropped,
and it's just great. You know, it's so fun. Depending
I did, I did, yeah, oh yeah, depending what's in there.
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It is the worst I've been. I've been a victim
of it too. It's not it's not a good time.
One of my favorite ones that I that I started
to do in guys and it's it's hard work because
you know, in hockey you guys have roommates, but in
base we had our own rooms, which is awesome, but
also I kind of liked that roommate aspect. It's kind
of fun. And Todd Simpson, former NHL defenseman, was a
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good friend of mine and he used to do this
thing where he would hide stuff from the room and
the guy's luggage so when he got home and be
a coffee maker or I you know, like so I
started doing that. To do is on on road trips,
like somebody'd be like, hey, sweet in my suite and
on the night before getaway day, and I'd just be
stuff stuff in their bags, all kinds of stuff, the Bible,
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you know, like just whatever it was that was that
I could find in the hotel room.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
So we had what we had guys do, and I
ended up doing it a little bit halfway through my career.
Is if you got off the bus first, because the
rookies would wait, guys would run in and you know,
when you walk into the hotel, there's just a table
full of the you know, every guy's room card. Yeah,
room card is there with their name. So guys would
run and they typically every guy had two room cards
in there, so they'd run in. We'd run in and
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I'd take a room card. I'd run up to their room.
I'd look at the numbers, so I'd sprint up to
the room. Then you go to the bathroom and in
the water tank you pull out you pull out the
water hose and you just tuck it kind of just
inside so it's showing a little bit. So when the
guy comes off the long bus ride and goes you know,
takes a leak as soon as he as soon as
he goes to flush, just the water sprays all over
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every time that because no one would know, every dudy
would come in and the guys would kind of be
like sussing out there, like they're like who who who
kind of did it? And they're like hey JD, like
oh yeah, like I got you know, water shot all
over me. Yeah, well fuck man, geez, that's tough. And
they're like you did it, didn't You said up a
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bitch like nope, never did it.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
No. And it's funny too, and how you're saying, like,
dude's just like, oh you got It's like, you know,
it's like the park game. Now you got me. My
mouth was open, you know. It's like it's just like
the dudes are just totally cool with it, Like I'll
never forget. We went on on a trip. It was
a golf fundraiser in Saint Croix. All these ballplayers were
down there and we had these rooms that were kind
of we had like adjoining doors, you know to this
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like basically like room right on the beach, and everybody
had their own suite. And earlier in the trip, Mark
Sweeney now you know, a former major league outfielder. Yeah,
super great guy. And so Mark and and Malar kind
of messed with my my room. They put like suran
wrap over my toilet, you know, so the same sort
of thing. It's like, I got me man all over
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my knees middle of the night. They like saving they
shaving creamed all the inside of my towels, but then
hung them back up. So like when I face out
off later.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Ye shaving cream the same one in the room.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah. So I'm like, I'm like, you know what these
guys do. Like, I'm just like, nah. So We're all
out of dinner on the last night, and I'm like,
I got an idea, and I got I got man
damn anybody else that tea food get them, you know.
And I'm kind of pretending I got a bad boiler,
you know. And I'm like, I'll be I'll be right back, man.
So I leave, and I when you talk about sprint,
because I knew I only had so much time before
they get suspicious. I sprinted from the main resort all
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the way down the hill to the rooms, and I
took Sweetie's entire room, put it on his veranda, like
I moved the coffee table with the books. I put
his phone out there. Anything glued. Yeah, just the bed
was perfectly made. And then I just locked my door
and they're pounded on the door, like I moved the
whole bed. Dude, I moved the bed and remade it
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because I say, I'm trying to carry this, like you know, Chris,
it's this mattress out and it's falling apart, and I'm
like putting the bed back together. It was just it
was awesome. It was I love that stuff, and I
missed that. Probably. I try to do that at the
network now, but I keep getting called at the HR.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I haven't started trying it yet. But there's a couple
of couple of jokes you can make with the boys.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
But yeahs is gonna like this if ranges are So
I've got to tell the story at the All Star
Game last year in Seattle and in the gym dem
comes in. We're just kind of loosen up here on
the treadmill, like I I went up to last time.
I God, I much watch William how about you? And
you said to me, I was hanging out with Eddie
Vedder and we're listening to the new unreleased music of
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the Rolling Stones.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That is an all time flex by you.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Dude. That night was I'll tell this story a little
bit because I think it's I think it says volumes
about ed So I get a text from him and
THEO SAI come down the house to Eddie's got he's
got his house in Seattle. And then down the street
he bought the beach house, just kind of down the
street and it's just this nice, beautiful property and it's
right on the water. And so I show up and
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it's and it's him and Woody and uh he works
with the league and and then Chris snow former general
manager with the assistant general manager with the with the
Flames and at this time, you know, he's going through
the als stuffs hitting him really hard. You know, he's nonverbal.
He can still walk, you know, harder to move his
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arms and stuff like this, and and so we're all
drinking coronas and it's kind of that you've got a
fire going. And then it's like, you know, hey, man,
you know you're not gonna believe this, but I got
to like he's telling the story. I got to cut
some music for the New Stones album you know, like
Ronnie Wood called me and I'm like, yeah, me too.
I was busy though, so you know, like uh, and
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so the sound guy for Pearl Jam works with the
Stone they're cutting this album, so he doesn't want to
hear a few and we're like, yeah, let's go. So
he plays these and then he's like, all right now,
I'm gonna play this, but you promise you cannot. Let's like,
do not let this out, you know, don't tape any
of them, Like, we're not gonna tape it. And he
plays the entire Black Matter the new Pearl Jam album
six months before the Pearl Jam album is being released,
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you know. And I know this for a fact, and
it wasn't it didn't need to be said. But the
only reason we heard any of that was because he
knew that Chris only had so much time left on
this earth and that there was a good chance he
wasn't gonna hear any of that music. And that, to
me is why Eddie is one of these iconic legends,
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Hall of Fame superstars that truly touches other people's lives
in a way that we can only image. And you know,
and it was just unreal for him to do that,
you know, and and and I'll finish with this. So
we get done at the end of the night, and
then THEO and what are you We got to get
to Chris back then it's cold out. We can't get him.
I think he gets sick, you know. We got to
get him back to the hotel, you know, so he
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can't tell us that he doesn't, you know. And he's
kind of like looking at me like got it, Like
I can tell. And I kind of had a few
to me cronos. I'm like, go, why are we going?
You have another album? You can make real quick ed Like,
let's make something right now, you know, Like we're having
a plast. So we get in the car, we take
him back to his hotel. THEO takes him up to
the room. Chris's wife right drops him off at the hotel.
(30:42):
Next day, I get a text message. It's a group
text message from THEO that said, uh, by the way,
I got this from Chris's wife said, Chris had the
best time of his life last night. Didn't want to leave.
Not sure why you guys took him home.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Chris.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You guess in peace, buddy, I know you're up there. Man.
It was a night to never forget. Man, it was
unbelievable awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Oh man, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
And I mean you mentioned it's just so cool to
see those stories and the brotherhood of even though you're
within your different sports, it's I mean, you're all going
through the same stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
By Eddie, And I want to talk about somebody as
well that kind of touched you a little bit in
your careers, Dusty Baker, the manager and and and talk
to me a little bit about him and your best
Dusty Baker story.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah, he was great with me. Like I came over
to the Cubs three after a three season, I had
Tommy John And part of my deal was I signed
a one year deal, not going to basically pitch until
at least August and recovering from Tommy John and and
then they the team had an option if I was healthy.
It was kind of like the New Wave deal at
the time for getting injured players to be able to
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And my thing was, I don't want to sit in
Arizona and just like be in the heat and rot
down here, like I've been in the big leagues for
five years already, you know, Like this was an injury.
It wasn't I wasn't good enough. So I just kind
of be with the team. And Dusty was great, man,
He's like absolutely, and right off the bat in spring training,
I was being treated He treated me like I was
prior or would It wasn't that I was some injured
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guy that might not ever pitch for him. And I
just instantly took to that. I was like, wow, man,
this is really awesome. And he always was asking me about,
you know, where I was from and my family and
all these things that weren't baseball. And I really appreciated that,
like so much. And he just was great that way.
He treated the veterans so well, and he lved me
in that category. And you know, and then as the
season kind of went along, you know, and I was
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getting closer, you know, he was just always pulling for me.
Like even if I was on a rehab start and
a ball and the team was on the road, he'd
shoot me a message like how the game go, you know,
like he didn't know where I was going to be,
you know, a few months from there. But we just
developed a great relationship and he was one of those
guys like if we if we pulled into a you know,
a city, and he always had like he loved the
(32:58):
soul food, right, Like, he always had these awesome restaurants
and he would show up on day one with like
Cain upon container. Eat up, boys, that's good food. That's
got hits in it. You want you want seven? Shout out?
Eat that. Like he was always nourishing us and like
what do you need? You know, And he was just
so much, so much fun that way, and he he
you know, lots of great stories like shoot, I remember
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serving cookies and nothing but an apron at Stanley's one
night in Chicago and I turned around and there's my manager.
I'm like, a, first of all, what are you doing?
I thought this was a player only bar and you're
in here, and so I just kind of was like, hey,
do you want a cookie? He's like no, I'm gonna
put some pants on, you know. Like it was just
like he was just a blast, and he you know,
he was always having fun and he was just he
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was awesome.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
I was so happy for him when they won the
World It was the one thing that.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You know, oh man, everyone hates was happy for Dusty Vanker.
All right, we'll let tempt out here. I hate doing
this to you because I know it's like, you know, dance,
Monkey Dance. But no one does a better Harry Carry
than you. So I'll give you a template. You know
how much you love movies. Valcolmer passed away. Can you
give me Harry Carrey on Val Kilmer his career broadcast
game with Val Kilmer.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Whatever you got, Harry Carry, Val Kilmore go ahead.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, well, you know you know that it's a good question.
First of all, my condolences to the to the Kilburt
family and friends. We lost a legend. You know this
guy right here, he was a saint. You know he
did he did everything. He brought the heat. You know,
this guy like Nolan Riot. He brought the heating. And
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I'll tell you what what a rock star. I mean,
I didn't even know. To me when I watched that
movie The Doors, I thought it was actually Jim Morrison
on Heroin, but it was Val Kilmore. And and to
see him come back and and let Tom cruise, No,
Maverick that the iceman is the best pilot. And that's
(34:54):
a fact Jack. So Val Kilmore rest in peace. Val.
We love you.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Harry Carry.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Tremendous tremendous Ryan Dempstick see what an intentional talk weeks
an that willb network. Hopefully we get some LB tonights
together at some point. Best the family is.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Always love that you're the best. You got it, dude,
all right, thanks so much for Ryan Damps. So obviously
all time break too.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Think now Jad's and me to Harry carry presents all
day cinefan on sixty it's devastating news. Val Kilmer died
late Tuesday at the age of sixty five. I mean,
this is obviously a very talented actor. I'm not sure
if you had a chance to need to watch the
Valied documentary give it a few years ago. It was
amazing to see him later in his life now, just
reflecting what he's able to do obviously after his battle
with cancer, unable to talk so you know, able to
speak through a machine, but reflecting on his life and
(35:45):
you know, we get to now pay tribute to an
obviously wonderful actor. People are gonna talk about Top Gun
Maverick and I think the movie and Tom Cruise are
very overrated, but that it was a great scene when
you see Val Kilmer today and obviously going back with
Maverick and all this stuff, and obviously the original Top Gun.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
People have a lot of fans of that.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
However, the debate that you and I will have is
over what is the best Val Kilmer movie?
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Because for me, it's Heat.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
And before I answer for you, I know you're gonna say, well,
I'm not saying it's a better movie, it's a better performance.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I'll say both.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm saying not only the movie and the performance by
Val Kilmer, because yes, Dannier and Pacino the show stoppers,
but Kilmer, he is a valuable supporting part of that movie.
Michael Man's movie is so atmospheric and so beautifully shot,
and of course the score of the bank robbery scene.
But Kilmer is that hair trigger temper, you know, and
he's got one of the great lines of the movie.
Always remember people, Tom Sizemore's line for me, the action
is the juice. I think Kilmer's got one of the
(36:29):
best lines ever felt love. When Daniro asked him early
on you got something on the side, he says, yes,
cheating on his wife. He goesys, she he goes no,
and he says, what do you think about how things
are gonna go? And Kilmer says for me, the sun
rises and sets with her all time beautiful line. And
later on when he gets denied no boy No by
Ashley Judge, he gives him the nonverbal eh. The look
in his face that is the look of a man
whose absolute.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Soul was just crushed. I love Valcimer.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
He could play tough, he could play sensitive heat all
time great performance.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Go ahead, give me your I'm your Huckleberry.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I mean, Doc Holliday. It's one of the greatest performances,
you know, for him.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
The whole time I thought.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
You were near death, I'd be a hucklebar. A funny
quick story about that. So I'm on NHL Network with
Stu Grimson and we go we're on a late show.
We're doing NHL Tonight. So it's like the eleven PM
we're talking about. It's like eleven or twelve. We're talking
about Dallas Stars, and you know where Why Johnson was
(37:24):
having a game, and I kind of just went, I
just went, I got two. I go why Johnson got
two goals? Two guns for the both of you, And
he goes, he like perks up, but he looks at
me and clearly I didn't know this appened, like one
of his favorite movies. He starts quoting throughout the whole show.
He's quoting Tombstone the whole time. I'm like in tears.
(37:47):
And then after the show he goes and tell me,
do you know the line's not I'm your huckleberry, It's
on your huckle bearer. So I go, I go, really,
it's like, okay, So he goes, I'm your huckle bear
because huckle bear is when you were the you were
carrying the coffin.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
It's on the coffin. Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So so now before I'm telling everybody this, now I've
told ten people this, okay, So before we come on
this show today, I go, we're gonna talk Val Kilmer.
I got to really make sure is it I'm your
huckle bear or I'm your huckleberry. So I look it up,
like an asshole, I've told everybody, like ten people.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I look it up.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It's always been I'm your huckleberry. Val Kilmer even wrote
about it in his book that he quotes the book
I'm your Huckleberry.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
So Steve Dempson led me astray, and.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'm like the asshole run the round, But I love that.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
Did you hear?
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Did you hear it's I'm your huckle.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
We always had people like the people who have takes
a strong conviction.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You go, no, that's not true. It's one hundred cent.
You can see as loud as you want or strong
as you want. It's not true to but I love.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
People, but I I do believe Doc Holliday.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
The other two close ones is when he plays the
Sherpa in his cameo and entourage is unbelievable and you
can't deny him, as Deeter von Kampf and mcgruber cannot.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
You can't incredible delivery of the name alone.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Dear, let's time to pounce some com Kilmer didn't say officially,
but I think it's pretty clear that it was heat frame.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Here a quote from Val what she said on his instagram.
Imagine being able to say Alan Bob for the rest
of your life. Not many people can do that. I've
seen Bob giggling like a schoolgirl in a van in
the middle of the night because we have to be
quiet because they're filming outside. I've been hugged by al
Pacino in the middle of downtown Ellie like he was
my older brother. I've shot live rounds from high power
to assault weapons over Bob's head while rehearsing lines for
(39:24):
a film, I got to kiss Ashley Judd. I sometimes
lived at Michael Mann's house. I'm in one of the
greatest Cops and Robbers films in film history.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It is absolutely unbelievable. I was in No Hoster. For
God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
I'm I'm agree in agreement with you. It's one of
my favorite movies. It's his best movie. He's been in
his best I think his best character was Doc Holliday,
but I think Heat is. And you know they've now
submitted the script for Heat Too. I don't know if
you remake that without it. I don't know Tal.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
What do you think Tal coming in for the first time.
I like, he's also a big, real genius guy.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Go ahead and tell yeah, I do love real genius
top secret.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
I mean, the Doors is incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Heat's an all timer for me.
Speaker 6 (40:00):
He's incredible, And I'm like, all I haven't read any
of the books, but I intend to. And I'm definitely
all in on Heat Too. And I'm you know that
whole film is premised on De Niro versus Paccino, and
of course those two guys are incredible in it. But
I mean Kilmer is sort of like he's that key,
key role player on that team, right, great as well,
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size More, Ashley Judd, even Hank Azaria.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I should have got mixed up with that bitch. Well,
she's got a Chris and you got your head all
the way up it. I love that.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
I set that up just so you could say that line.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I appreciate. I love love that. I love Kilmer.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You know, rest in peace.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Incredible, very unique career for a very unique leading man
in Hollywood history.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
That's a good call a unique look to him named
Val Kilbury. He did have a very kind of zigging,
zagging career. There's there's some bombs along the way. You know,
he kind of spoiled his talent at times. The Saint
was exactly a great film, but even even as Batman,
he wasn't a quintessential Batman. People always talk about Michael
Katon or Christian Bale, but he was Batman. Rest in
peace to Vl Kilmore. Before we get to Corey Schneider,
we got to talk with the Sam Rockwell monologue The
(41:10):
White Lotus. I don't watch The White Loatus, and everyone's like,
did you see this Rockwell monologue? I love slam Rockwell,
like I'm in. It is absolutely unbelievable, him talking about
the fact he's now become a Buddhist, but he's just
he was basically a sex addict, and we wanted to
be able to trans woman.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
My wife's been selling me on it for two and
a half seasons, and I said, I'll just jump in.
You know, I got some time. And first scene I
jump in is just an incest scene.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Goggins or the guy. I watched the Goggins monologu, which
I thought is incredible. I love Sam Rockwell and Walton
Goggins are two of my favorite actors. I mean Walt
Goggins and anything he's doing, Vice Principles, all those things.
I think he's so funny. Sam Rockwell too, is just
great and everything he does and plays his characters so well.
(41:55):
So I love that monologue. But yeah, I came in
on the incest scene and I went, oh, yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Here we go.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I said, just right into it, just sex else. But
this is what happens when you push the line and
all of a sudden incest is normal. And then we're
all talking about anyway.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
How about a show GD that you're passionate about a
lot of people love it, Severance Ben's Stiller course directing it.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Adam Scott did really well.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
The Emmy's critically acclaimed you really enjoyed season two tow
not so much, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Yeah, I just I love the It gets you thinking,
it makes you think.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
It's very similar to life of a lot of people
talking about you going to work, just separated.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It's people.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
It's just two different people, your work life and your
home life. And they really take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Now. I don't know where they're gonna.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Go that passed here with the goats and everything and
all that shit, but I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I really enjoyed it. I really like it.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's thought provoking and it's it's your thinking of what
the hell is going on? And that's kind of more
my My style is more of the intelligent shows versus
just the sex cells, which is more you guys.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
But hey, hey, I've always loved Turro tell those ever
since Barton Fink. How great is to Turu in severs
I mean it isn't like a huge homo him and Christopher.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Waher, Oh, him and Christopher walk And when you listen
to tu talk about it. He's like, when he did
this scene and he had to do these relationships, he said,
I can only do it with Christopher walk who was
a good friend of mine. He's like, I want to
do it with somebody that I'm comfortable with. And I
love it. It's so great.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
But is it explicit like I've been saying, no.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
No, no, not at all. No.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
It's like they just that's they tease it the whole time.
There's like they build an intensity between the both of
them the whole time that there's this love story.
Speaker 4 (43:29):
You stop, but.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Tell you know it's an overrated show. I mean nineteen
hours of Severance and mean, I got it. There's there's
a work life, there's a personal life. Okay, nineteen hours
this come on.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
I love the premise.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
The cast is awesome.
Speaker 6 (43:40):
It's a it makes me feel dumb because I'm always
confused watching this thing and then the i'll I'll say
is this It makes me feel like, do you remember
a while back someone taped a banana to the wall
and they called it art and someone bought it for
like millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, and there's people looking at this.
Speaker 6 (43:56):
Is anyone else just seeing a banana tape to the wall.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I kind of felt that's.
Speaker 6 (44:00):
Kind of how I felt a little bit watching Severance.
It's a quality show, but that's just that's the analogy.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm going to say a great takedown. Go ahead, that
is great. It's been ana on the wall. But let's
let's switch gears quickly. Talk about the studio. I loved listen, Yes, incredible.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
In the first episode, He's gotta win an Emmy, he
was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
They're trying to bankroll a film about kool Aid, and
so you know they're willing to give Scarsese towo a
million dollars. He'said, well, I was just going to make
a movie with a jonestown massacre. And he's like, wait,
you mean when they drank the kolid He's a yeah,
I mean, I will tell you no further, but just
to say, Scarcese's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
In the two him crying it's fucked.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Up, Steve Busumi going oh yeah, is that? He goes,
is that scarczy? Are you crying?
Speaker 1 (44:37):
And he goes if biskem or is at BIESHEMI even
started debating how to say his name. It's a lot
of inside Hollywood chatterick again. I adored the Larry Sanders shows.
If you like shows about shows, if you love let's
say Tropic Thunder, which is about filmmaking, and you know,
a movie about movie making, you'll definitely enjoy the studio,
all right, Corey Stanner. He also can talk Seinfeld and
talk about goalies here he is coming up our next guest,
(45:02):
twenty six overall pick by the Vancouver Canocks two thousand
and four NHL Draft. You'd go into play more than
four hundred games to the Canuckston Jersey Devils in New
York Islanders. Now seen regularly with our friend Jason Dar's
NHL network Corey Schneider, I Believe three Straight Shifts and
HL Netwick and Joint seeing you guys in NHL now,
and also has the podcast One Time All Starts with
Brian Boyle. Schneid's great to see you. Thank you so
(45:23):
much for giving us the time. I know you're probably
tired of JD at this point, but appreciate the effort.
Let's get to the hockey. Then we'll get to the
Gofi LIBP later on. I do want to talk Seinfeld
with you. I want to talk to passions your Lambo impression.
Connor Hallibuck Heart Trophy. JD made the case earlier, Koutrovneck
get nearly enough Love for the Heart. A lot of
conversation McKinnon, drive us out, et cetera. How about you
do you think Connor Hallibuck should be the favorite for
(45:45):
the Heart. I mean, he is the vetting favorite, which
surprised me a little bit. But when you think about
it and actually kind of take a deep dive, which
our researchers did. I don't know that we did, but
you know, the last school to win it was Kerry Price,
so he sort of that's that's the standard you have
to set if you're gonna win it.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
It's kind of like a.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
Pitcher winning the MVP and baseball, like you have to
hit a certain benchmarker or a certain press. And so,
I mean, he's first in every major category, wins, save, percentage,
goals against, the advanced analytics, the expected goals against, goals
saved above average, like across the board. You know, unanimous
number one guy. He might win forty five, forty six games,
best team in the league potentially. So you look at
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that resume and you take the name away or you
say that's Carry Price in twenty fifteen or whatever it was,
and he'd be like, yeah, I mean, I don't know
if Kutrov, Dry Sidle and McKinnon sort of split the
vote a little bit where it's like, I can't pick
one of these three guys because they've all been so good,
but they're also not the levels they were last year
when they had one hundred and forty points and they
won the MVP. M ckinnon did and Kutrov should have,
right JD. So he got rough. So I mean, you
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could make a compelling argument that you know, Hella Buck
is the most viable player in the league, but I don't.
For some reason, I was saying, I don't think he
gets the buzz that Carry Price did. Like when Carry
Price was having that year, it was like, oh my god,
look what Kerry Price is doing. He is the Montreal Canadians,
and then where would they be without him? And this year,
you know, Connor Hellbuck's a huge part of that team,
but they're pretty good team otherwise. So I don't know
(47:03):
if he's getting the same kind of buzz and love
which can go into a can factor and when people vote.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, I want I want to shop It was crazy too,
because we're on that show and we're both like, no,
it's like coot or stry title. And then they started
throwing all the stats. We're just mid show. We're like
looking at the other We're like, oh, maybe he should
win this. Actually this is pretty smart. The eye test
sometimes doesn't work. But I want to shift to uh,
your alma mater CA, the BC BC College, Boston College.
(47:33):
I want to hear your thoughts on the Ryan Leonard's
performance last night, and then also some other guys that
are getting there starts and Gabe Parole of who you're
most excited to kind of see and see grow. Because
I'm just working with you for three days, let alone
two years. I know how closely you watch and how
tied in you are with BC.
Speaker 8 (47:52):
Yeah, I thought Leonard was okay last night. I mean,
your hometown basically is from Massachusetts, played down the road
at BC. As you mentioned, playing in the garden in
your first game with the veatchkin and all the hypes
surrounding him, Like, that's a pretty overwhelming environment. It's almost
like jumping into a playoff game. So I mean I
thought for his first game he was fine. You know,
he didn't do a ton, wasn't as noticeable as you
might think. I think this year it's I think you
(48:14):
have to temper your expectations for these kids when they're
jumping in into a playoff push for you know, whether
it's Snugruot in Saint Louis or Perrot in New York
or Leonard with Washington, like, you're joining well established teams
that are are kind of humming along. So I mean,
if anything they can add, it's gravy at this point.
But I don't know if they're gonna have the impact
of like a macar or a Charlie McAvoy or Chris
Kreider did when they jumped out of college and basically
(48:36):
hop right into the playoffs and didn't miss a beat.
So you know, Leonard's a fantastic player. He's more of
a playmaker, you know, So I don't know if that
takes longer to adjust than just shooting the puck and scoring.
But again, you know, it'll take time. It'll take him
a few games. And if he can get these eight
games in and they find he can be valuable in
the playoffs, I think that's that's a good thing for
the Capitals. Just to assass and see, I can this
(48:56):
kild actually contribute in the playoffs when we need him
the most, or does he still need to learn? And
he's a bit of a liability, so we got to
sort of shelter him or maybe not play him in
the playoffs and the games matter the moment, Cory, I want.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
To ask you about, well, we got two options or
to to lose. We'll get to lu Ango in a second.
I'll ask you about Lou Lamarello, who treated to bring
me to New Jersey now or brought you over to
the Islanders. I get to work with Thomas Hickey. He's
got great Lou Lamorello stories. I want to hear your
take on Lou because he clearly could have been a
character in the Sopranos, not.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Just because he's in talent, but also that steely eyed
gaze of.
Speaker 8 (49:23):
His Yeah, Lou's, like you said, he's almost larger than life,
even though he's not that big of a guy. You know,
he's he's done great things for me. He's treated me
incredibly well. You know, Andy Green and I were sort
of sitting there doing the math, and Andy said that
every contract he signed his whole career was with Lou
Lamarillo between the Devils and the Islanders and from Yeah
and Me from twenty thirteen to twenty twenty three. I
(49:46):
was signed by Lou Lamarillo, so he's always taken care
of me and my family. So I always think I'm
inna appreciate him for that. You know, he's not for everybody,
I'll put it that way. He expects things a certain way,
he demands certain things. He's fair, he's honest, but you know,
if you don't fall in line or you're not with
the program, then and then he's not for you, and
you're probably not for him. So you know, I'm sure
(50:07):
there's horror stories. I think he's obviously changed with the
times since it's not nineteen ninety five anymore. It's twenty
twenty five, so you can't do or treat the guys
the way you probably could back then. And not that
he was unfair, but you know, he was a hard edged,
demanding guy, and he was around all the time, even
though his general manager. The one thing I've known from
him is I've never seen a GM more present than
he is. And I think that I don't want to
(50:27):
say fear, but that knowing that Luke could be around
the corner at any moment. Keeps guys in line a little bit.
You know, you walk around on eggshells a little bit
because you're like, oh, lou might be listening, or you
might hear this if you're sort of complaining or doing
what you do as a player. So, like I said,
he expects a certain thing, but he's not unfair. He'll
tell you exactly what he thinks. And some guys like
that because you know where you stand, and other guys
don't like that because they don't want to hear the
truth sometimes. But yeah, I mean, I know guys who
(50:50):
I played with, Scott Gomez and at the end of
his career, and he said, when I hit Hackomer, he's like,
when I left The Devil's the first time I hated
lou Or I was like, I'm done with this guy.
And then he left and he's like, man, I didn't
realize how much I needed that structure and that discipline
in that, you know, because he kind of got left
up to his own devices and it didn't go as
well for him. So when he came back, he's like,
you don't really realize it, but he does. He takes
(51:10):
a lot off your plate in terms of distractions and
things you got to think about. You just got to
focus on hockey. And I think sometimes you don't realize
that until you go somewhere else and you're like, man,
this is a this is a bit of a bleep
show here, like there's no control or rhyme or reason,
like you know, I missed that that structure and knowing
exactly what to do.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Can you imagine a the g love You gotta give
me your what's your best Scotti gom story you got
because he the fact that he was as successful under
Lou La Morello probably shows you that it can work
having a verbose personality and being around lou.
Speaker 8 (51:41):
The best story Gohmer told me was when they were
actually in the island. They were on the island at
NASA playing for the Devils, and the kiss cam was
showing the crowd and they showed him and like another
guy in the bench. So Gomer was like, oh, I
just leaned over and pretend to kiss the guy on
the bench, just as a joke, like during the commercial break.
And he said, on the way to the bus, like
going down the hall, lou started to chasing him down the.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Hall is that.
Speaker 8 (52:01):
That's the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen, Like, how
could you do that to the you're supposed to be
playing the game. And Gomer started giving it to him back,
like just like screw you, Lou, like I'll do what
I want. And then Luke came after him. He just
ran him on the bus and like hit on the bus.
So they just got like a screaming match, and Goomer
just when he started coming at him, just ran and
hit on the bus and he's like, you can't get
me here. So uh yeah, that's just showing you that
personality that sometimes doesn't go so well.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Luke can be Farosa's no question about it.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
All right, let's get to the other lou then, Roberto Lawongo,
you'll always be associated with him in Vancouver.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
What do you got on Louis?
Speaker 8 (52:31):
Yeah, I mean we still stay in touch to this day.
We're in a fantasy football league together. He's a he's
a maniac with that stuff. He's like my safe, he's
like my sage when it comes to fantasy. I'm like, hey,
should I take this guy third or fourth? He's like no, no,
you want to wait on him? Like okay, cool, but yeah,
it's with a bunch of like ex Florida Panthers like
Peter Warrel and Rob Niedermeyer and just like the old
trainers from the nineties, kick your ass.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Oh he would. That's what I mean.
Speaker 8 (52:53):
That's why I'm a little nervous in that league. But no,
he We've had a good relationship, you know, he's uh.
We went out to Vancouver for his Ring of Honor
ceremony last year and got to catch up with him
and see his family and his kids, who were you know,
were like grown people now. But no, we always had
a great working relationship. He helped me out so much
in my career coming in the league, and you know,
(53:13):
I thought I knew how to work hard and how
to compete and what it took to be the guy.
And then I showed up that first full year in
Vancouver and I watched him for like two minutes like, oh,
that's that's what that is. So I just kind of
followed him around like a puppy dog, and whether he
knew it or not, I just watched what he did.
I took a lot of little cues and equipment things
from him, and you know, he wasn't sitting there just
reigning wisdom on me. But if I had a question,
(53:35):
he was more than happy to help out an answer.
And you know, I know, the whole story in Vancouver
got took kind of life of its own. But he
and I were always good where we were always cool,
We respected each other. Guy's a Hall of Famer now,
and you know I was always I would always go
to bat for him there standing in his corner because
he's a tremendous human And like I said, it's great
to see him finally win a Cup with Florida. Maybe
not as a player, but uh, you know again, he's
(53:56):
always somebody who will who meant a lot to me
in my career.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
I was just I heard your huge Seinfeld. Guys.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
I want to ask you, is is the contest the
greatest Sininefold episode, which I believe it.
Speaker 8 (54:05):
Is, Uh you do you know it's I'd have to
go back and rewatch a bunch and we had him
on like over the over the winter we were up
at our cabin. We just kind of throw it on
the background and there was something that was so funny,
like just ones you forget about that, you just the
moments and the scenes. The contest is one of the
all time greats. I'm just trying to think of somebout
like I still love the one where Costanzo, like his
(54:27):
his coworker at the Yankees thinks he's trying to get
him fire because he keeps doing things like getting the
cards signed without him and he's like, he screwed me again, Costanza,
you know, like, well, you know, like I think that
one's awesome. Yeah, anything involving Krammer, like the Kenny Rodgers episodes,
Terri terrific with the red light.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
In his bedroom.
Speaker 8 (54:44):
So chicken, yeah, Kenny Rogers chicken broccoli. Yeah, he's all sunburned.
So I mean, you know, we could go all day
on that. But I am I mean this might be controversial,
but I am like so out on Friends, Like I
never watch Friends. I just think that I always thought
Friends was a less funny version of sein film. It's like, well,
(55:05):
it's a bunch of friends in New York City getting
together in their day to day shenanigans, and I'm like,
Seinfeld just did it better.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
So I'm gonna watch Seinfelden shines. This is awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Man, can't think you love See NHL Network and thanks
for being a HL and Scripted.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Good luck with the pod.
Speaker 8 (55:17):
You got it, guys, so I will do it again sometime.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
All right, thanks so much everyone listening to NHL and
Scripted any chorus, Dyer, Ryan Dempster, both those guys were awesome.
Of course, thanks to Jason burse you can always see
on NHL Network.
Speaker 5 (55:30):
JD.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
This is fun man. We'll do it again soon.
Speaker 9 (55:32):
Yeah, I'm your huckle berry.
Speaker 1 (55:49):
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