September 27, 2024 • 63 mins
Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson discuss how they spent their bye weeks when they were in the league. Later, Deion "Coach Prime" Sanders, Sterling Sharpe, Cam Newton and more join the show!
03:13 - How Shannon and Ocho spent their bye weeks in the NFL
18:00 - Shannon wanted to finish his career in Denver. Shannon and Ocho discuss what coaching styles work for them.
25:15 - Shannon and Ocho discuss NFL injuries
30:33 - Not everyone is going to get along with their teammates in the NFL.
35:00 - Shannon’s betting stories from his time on the Broncos
51:14 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho on how to critic players in the NFL.
55:30 - Deion Sanders, Shannon, and Ocho talk what their pregame rituals were in the NFL.
58:17 - Sterling Sharpe proud of how Shannon handled the Skip situation.
1:04:53 - Why Cam Newton was disappointed Ron Rivera didn’t reach out to him about Washington
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Speaker 1 (01:43):
They got, they played. They start the season. Obviously, you
win the Super Bowl, you start this seven deserving it.
So so you got the Black Priday game, which is
the game after Thanksgiving, You got the Christmas Day game.
You got a Saturday game. Yeah, two Sunday night games,
two Monday night games. Well, my homeboy, everybody want to
see you, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They do rightfully to who much is given?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Much as required?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, And plus the fact the matter of Ojo that
Black Friday game we're selling at the Amazon. Well, if
I'm spend one hundred, one hundred and fifty million dollars,
I need I need box Office. Who's more box Office
than my homeboy? Okay, Netflix, they're streaming the Christmas Day game.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I need box Office? Who more box Office than my homeboy? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, and listen also, and I hate to bring this up,
Travis Kelsey is connected to a young lady that has
an entirely different demographic and age group watching those games
as well.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, but don't bring that up, o yoase they gonna
get mad at us.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And she's made she's made her business to let people
know she will she will be at these games. Follow
her man, she will be at these games. And what
does that do NFL?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Follow the money?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Come on now, it's chess, not checkers. Chess not check us.
At the end of the day, remember what their bottom
line is.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No matter what they tell you, what they say, it's
all about the money at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So I'm not I'm not up I'm not upset. I'm
not upset about you know, that's tough. I mean that's
an early bye week because you think about all those
games that they're gonna have on Black Friday, on Christmas
Day and those Sunday Sunday night games. Yeah, the NFL
could have did a ma solid and put them by
week around week ten, week or eleven.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, my our bye weeks when I was there,
always felt kind of like right the middle of like
week eight, week nine.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh yo, So you know I'm good?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's so funny, you know, you know what I did
on my bye week, especially if we if we had
a winning record my bye week, I'm I ain't take
no buy man.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
I go play.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I go play pick up soccer the whole time every
every year.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, now, oh Joe, I think they got to give
you the whole week off. Mike Canahan won't give you
the whole week off.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
WHOA a whole week?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, they get the whole week off.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Whatever came from.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I guess it's in the new CBA. Y.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean a whole week, man, we got Mike.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, we go out there third like we might
get Thursday, we might get half of they Thursday so Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
and then we had to be back Monday to work
and be worked out.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But by now three days, man, look here, that ain't
no damn bye week.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm just telling what I'm telling what we had. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I don't know that about all the other team. I
don't know what the mother teams did. I can't I
can't speak to that. But I'm telling you what the
Broncos had when we were when we were there.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, and I man, I remember, I remember clearly all
my bye weeks. I remember clearly all my bye weeks,
and every time we had practice Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I think we practiced Monday.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I think we practiced Tuesday, and we'd be off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and we and we had to be back Monday. Man,
that whole week I'm in Miami. I'll never forget. I
played soccer at KSP Kendu Soccer Park. I play at
Urban Soccer five. At that time.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It was in wynn Wood.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Man, I'm playing soccer the whole week and then I
come back Monday ready and back the football.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Mm hmm right here. Didn't one doing that? Fat? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They were doing that, and it wasn't no situation. It
wasn't no situation. Was like, hey, you know such and
such got the whole week. Maybe, man, please, he.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Don't care, he don't care.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Nobody know what nobody else doing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Huh hell no, hell to the now, because he's like,
he's gonna tell us, hey, what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That is what they trying to do.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You can't wring your players into the ground, man.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Man, please, we were so we were so happy about that.
We were so happy getting off now because that means
we can take the flight. And you know it's still
two hours, you know so, but you at least you
got Friday Saturday.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Man, you gotta leave Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You can't chance it. I can't chance leaving Friday Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and be late and in that plane something happened
with the flame or you miss a flight.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh hell no, man, might to lose it.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Damn mind y'all y'all got fined back then?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What fine?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
YEA the find one that much?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Because uh, I think like a fine might be like, say,
a fine is like two thousand dollars for yo, if
you paid it, if you paid if you paid one
thousand dollars in front of the team. He would he
if you paid one thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And so it's the fact, because here is the fact
you walking down there, so somebody we might not know
you was late, we might not have known you done something,
but you coming down there to hand Mike some money
or we know you have fd up. So that's that's
kind of what it was, because it's kind of like
the team know that you let him down in somewhere.
Maybe you was late for a meeting, you missed the meeting,
(07:24):
but that walk off, like we have that walkthrough. We
not walked through at eleven o'clock. Man, please, man, they see
Mike mag man, boy, you better not be late for
that walk through. Mike didn't play that. And then here
is the thing, Oh Joe, you know to walk through.
We're not going fool speed, but it's a nice speed
(07:44):
now it ain't no bullget yeah yeah man, oh Joe,
wat see let me table class. Why them dudes start
coming out there with tea.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Come home, man, come on, hold yo, man and tim
uh Man new jokes coming out there. Then come the hold.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was cold right when it was cold though, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I'm just oh yo, that's not the them jokers
coming out there. They got the jeans on and then
got the sweats over the jeans.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Jeans.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh Lord, have mercy. Man, Mike Hey might call that
thing up. He said, y'all ever come out here like
that again? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I said, See, I knew y'all would go it up.
I knew I knew it. I knew it. But they
knew how.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mike was right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh Joe, we got we having a practice. This was
in ninety seven. Anybody else on that team that could
take Oh Joe, we were about thirty minutes through from practice. Now,
mind you, we're already out there. We've already been out
there about an hour and fifteen minutes. Yes, shir, Mike
started off whole practice, over the whole practice, the whole practice.
And I'm talking about this, know it like a beat.
(09:06):
I'm talking about this so cold old choke. Look, I
don't know what I think it was a team drill,
and I might have started it. You dropped the ball.
I dropped the ball. Rod dropped the ball through a
swing past the TV. He dropped the ball.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, man, Mike Blue that whistle.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Whistle that's shoover.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like, okay, oh so you know me, oh ye,
you know, I'm like, you know, my bad, fellows, my bad.
So I'm thinking we're about to start the period over right,
this man starts stretching and everything over.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Man, I wanted to fight Mike. Yes, got the whole
mob on practice over.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh look here when I say Mike, when I say
Mike ran a tight ship and that foolishness, we didn't
have no foolishness, because hey, bro, look here, don't y'all
mess this up?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Heat up?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Like, okay, guys, if we doce X, Y and Z,
hey such and such. Man, look here, hey, we had
this time. We're gonna do it. We're gonna go out there,
we're gonna play it. We're gonna practice our ass off.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Y'all this up.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Because we know we had a we were a veteran
led team, like Mike, let us release the team. We'll
fight all you young mofos up in this thing. Don't
y'all mess this up.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Mike started a whole practic from stretching. I thought we
were gonna go back to the period and started a period.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This man donna start the whole mofok, practice over and
we gotta go stretch all over again. I couldn't even
be hot because I was so damn cold. Yeah, hey boy,
look here, And that's what l Joe. And when I
tell people the mindset that you have to that you
have have to have that I believe you need to have. Mike,
(11:03):
ain't let nothing skate like you drop a past and
and and and like you the defense might do something
might blow an assignment and defense so nobody we got it.
Mike say no if we don't run down again? Uh
oh a drop past?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Oh that's that. Ain't sliding?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Oh no, oh.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
No what and so Mike, Michael, Mike was like Tom
Causton and basically.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
He didn't like Look, Mike was very very like his time,
like time with like the meeting starts at this time
when Mike, when Mike walked down them steps, don't you
walk your ass in behind him? So everybody was we
understood when Mike come in that room, everybody needs to
be in their seat. If you're not in there, you
(11:52):
might just go ahead chalk it up. Like I said,
the one time I was late, I don't think he'd
have known I was late.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It just so happened.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I was off as a player of the week, and
when he called my name, I didn't come down to
get the war. Hey I was, I was standing out.
I was outside the beating room looking at him like,
but no, but you Mike, look, be on time. That
was his number one thing. Be on time. Practice started,
I mean, meeting started, this time, practice started, this time,
(12:20):
so forth and so on.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That was that was really his only thing. And then
he let the veteran players.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
He let us police the locker room what was supposed
to transpire, because a lot of times, oh Joe, we
put out fires before it got the mic. He didn't
even know anything about it, right, And I think that's
where veteran leadership comes in at and that's why you
you can never have a really enough of quality vest
like nah, nah nah, get your ass in the meeting room.
(12:47):
Get off the phone. Your problem. You're on the phone
too much. That's why that's why you're not playing. Come about, man,
they're messing over me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I pulled a film. I say, see you messing over us, right,
get in there. But we needed that, O Joe, you
need and until like you be in a situation on Joe,
you don't really know what it takes to win until
you're in a winning situation. Yeah, and you could say
that's why the forty nine ers had all that damn success.
(13:15):
If you go back and look at the forty nine ers,
you look at when Mike Horman got to the Packers
and they started to win consistently, you, I guarantee you
I can go. I don't really know how the Patriots did, think,
but I get to tell you why they won.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, listen, my time there was the Patriots. I understood
why they won within.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
The first week. Within the first week, Bill.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Belichick, he ran the tight ship, got to no one
had to explain what the Patriot we was, and just
the way everyone conducted themselves. And that's from the top
all the way to the bottom, from the top all
the way to the bottom, from the cafeteria to the
training room. I'm like, oh, okay, now I understand. Now,
I get it now. Obviously of that was also having
(14:02):
number twelve and that key centerpiece at the helm of everything.
But man, unbelievable. I tell people all the time, and
people ask me, well, what was it like playing for Belichick?
What was it like being on the Patriots? I say, listen,
I've never been to the army, never been to the military.
I'm not a Navy seal.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But if I had to take a guess the discipline.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Instructure that it takes to be and the armed forces,
it's what it takes the place for the goddamn patrios.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Same same thing, same concept.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
And I come to understand that Bell Belichick has a background.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think it's his dad was at the Naval Academy.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And that is why he ran it the way he did.
And that's exactly what that environment felt like.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And see, that's why it never bothered me. My grandfather
was in the military, so I understood what a structured.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Environment was, so you was used to it.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It didn't bother me. My grandmother A what you said,
be up at be up at a certain amount of time.
We're gonna go pick peas, or we're gonna hear these fields.
We gotta go pick up he cans or whatever the
case may be. All right, boys, such and such gonna
come by tomorrow. Okay, I already know what that means.
That man coming by. He gonna pick us up at
seven o'clock. That means you get your butt up, you know,
(15:14):
wash your face, brush your teeth, be ready to hit
that truck. I understood that, so it was never a
problem to me. Coach Reeves, he read. Coach Reeves was
a iro, no old school Tom Landry, no bull Dyve,
no bs. You jump off sides and training camp. You
run a lap.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Sometimes you make the whole team run.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Hey, I can't imagine growing men running no lap man,
you can.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You can imagine it. You could imagine it. Couesn't happened.
I don't know if anybody's in the chat that was
on those teams Coach Reeve was. I was with Coach
Reid from ninety to ninety two. Go ask him, Go
ask them, Hey, and if you hurt o joke, man,
they put you on that UBI.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You ever did the UBI? When you pass like this here?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Now, what's that?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's a it's a bike. But if so, if you
got like a half string issue or something like that,
that's how you get your cardio. Okay, man, he ran
me up out of there. Man, doing that, you'll be
for thirty minutes.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Man, you go all out for a minute, you break
four minutes. All out for a minute, you break four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
For bad.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Please o't your oh I came up like that thing.
After day I say, I ain't hurt no more. I
ain't hurt them more. Your hell, non, I think sometimes,
don't yo. What happens is is that a coach has
a perception. When Mike was first there, Mike was the
quarterbacks coach because to the Raiders, and you know, he
(16:45):
had balling out. He ended up coming back. He's the
quarterback coach. So when he gets there, I'm mainly a
special teams player. He leaves and come back. Now I'm
the best tight in the league. That's not how he
remembered me, right, So we kind of butted heads. But
what he failed to realize what motivated me wasn't money. Yeah,
(17:08):
I'm a praise guy. Just tell me I did a
good job. And that's all I need to hear from you, right.
I don't need you to tell me, oh, hey, you know, hey,
you can be there. You can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know you can do. I don't need that. Just
tell my did I did a good job eighty four?
We can win with that. I appreciate you getting That's
all I need.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And so once I left and went to Baltimore, and
when I came back, he's like, you know you want
to bring I said, Mike, I don't need to see it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Look like I was in Denver. I know what the
facilities are like. I know what you're like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I had to have had a conversation with mister Bowling
mister Bolan, had them say, look, I don't really put
my foot down, but hey, are you coming back? I said, Mike,
you know me. You know what I'm about. I'm about business.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I want to win. I prepare myself to win.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I try to do a great job of getting other
guys to get on board, to buy in what you're selling.
What you're selling. Need to see the facility all I
need to know. Do you want me to come back?
Because if mister Bowler want me to come back and
you don't, I'm not coming right, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Eighty four. We should have never let you go. Okay,
let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I had more money other places, but I thought it
was only right that I go back and finish my
career in Denver, where it all star. I would have
never been happy even if I took more money from Seattle,
had the opportunity to go to the Raiders. It wouldn't
been right because in my heart, that's not where I
wanted to go. I wanted to go finish my career
in Denver. But I just needed to hear him say it.
(18:35):
Once he said that I was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I was like, Okay, let's do this. And plus and
I didn't want to put my kids. My kids were
still young, and man, have to get my kids to.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Fly and travel way.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Seat saying yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Then even to my mom because at that point in time,
my mom had retired, so my mom would fly that.
My mom would fly from Chicago because you know, but
after nine to eleven that stopped, well, uh, that stopped,
but she was still because their mom would walk them
through the airport, you know, send them down on a
company minor. But after that point I would fly my
mom there. They would walking to the gate, then my
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mom would meet him at the gate and then they
would come to Denver or my sister would do something
like that.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But yeah, yeah, you got to just be careful for you.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Hey, hey, we we was told we were totally different too.
Like when I think about it, the coaching style that
you like and you accept, Like I was completely I
was completely different.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I like, I like that hard.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Coaching and where I'm based on where I'm from and
where I'm raised. I'm kind of used to it with
the cursing and the you know that that get me,
that get me going. When I had you, well listen,
when I had you, let me take my glances off
so you understand how serious I am, because you know
I'd be playing around all the time when I had
(19:56):
Hugh Jackson in Cincinnati and and I wasn't playing up
the par and he get the mother for he.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Get the cursing. Understanding.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
That's I know I can get Chad going with a motherfucker,
what the fuck you doing? Goddamn it, Come on, now,
let's go. Man, shoot, well you oh that shit just
got just got me.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
It just got me, got me going and got me
motivated because I have lapses sometimes sometimes I play down
to the competition.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And all it took was for you to to throw
to say something to me in a in an encouraging way,
but just add a little curse word to it. You know.
You know when you cook, you cook your chicken and you.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Add your seasoning just just add a little see I see,
I see curse words as sentence enhancers, and it just
get me going.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's weird. It's weird.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
So I love and enjoyed that type of coaching because
it made me want to not only prove myself, but
to make sure I don't embarrass you. Based on all
the coaching and goddamn film study and meaning we didne
did it all goddamn week. Let me go out here
and make sure I do my goddamn job for me
o jo.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I never played down because I know where I was playing,
because Mary Porter was in their condition.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All of a sudden, yes, yes, and I got yes.
And so that was my motivation.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You because I looked at everybody that I faced, Well,
you trying to get my grandmat this house, you're trying
to get my kids out of the private schools. You're
trying to take food off their table, You trying to
get shouting to go back to Glenville with no running water.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
And oh no, bro, Yeah you couldn't see you and
you and you thought completely different idea. That's the only
thing completely different.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, that's the that was That was my motivation from
the time I can remember me and my brother talking
about it when we were sitting on those pine trees.
Young pine trees are called saplings, and we built that
many of them mofos over and my grandma said, boy,
y'all need to stop beating them saplings.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right, That's all we talked about. That's all I thought about.
That was my motivation. And so every time I looked
at somebody, Oh you trying to get granted up by
that house?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Okay, maam, I can tell y'all ship chat.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
We family, were family, and I don't think he would
have an issue with that because what we talked about
was positive.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean it was positive.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
And he's gonna do all he can to make sure
he's out there, you know, for the Kansas City game.
And I told him to be careful. I told him
to be careful because there's something you don't want to
play with. Salt tissue injuries, hamstring growing calf, what else salt.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Tissue calf is growing at doctor? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I told him what you don't want to do is
don't go out there too early. Don't go out there
too early. See how it feels in practice, you know,
I say, take a Wednesday off, Take Thursday off, don't
even practice this week, practice Friday if you got to,
and then open up and see how you feel. If
you feel like you can open up and you.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Don't feel in a little pinch or no or no
pull tug, Yeah, no, no tug, You're good to go.
You're good to go.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So I think I think us, for us, the Bengals
in general obviously and t I think we're gonna We're
gonna be all right.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
For some reason.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
You got to think we were two and six under
Zach Taylor. We two and six in Week one, in
the last ten games, two and six week one, So
I'm used to us always having a slow start offensively,
we always start slow. I think we're gonna be all right.
And I bet with us emotionally against New England.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah you did, you did, definitely emotionally.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
So so right now, based on what I saw from
the Pats, I think the I mean the Pats, but
the basically what I saw from the Chiefs. Yes, I
think I think the Chiefs might win this one. As
much as I love my Bengals, I think the Chiefs
might win with with Mike win with might win this one.
If we have Chase playing, we got tea planing. All right,
that changes everything, That changes the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's uh. And that's the thing because the suddenness
in which you need to move, you need to be able.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
To start, stop transition, get in and out of that
break and guess what gonna you too?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Man, that was the only thing I say.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Guys, Look, I don't mind you if I if I,
if I break free from you, don't tug me because
I'm pulling the herd up. You make me hurt, you
make me tweak my hamstring and then I'm gonna turn
it right and swing on you. So I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So don't don't don't do that. Was that was my
only rule, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I look, okay, guys, hold of me, try to get
off the line to get it because I know they're
gonna come back. Then they let they held the ship
at you, excuse me, they held they held a crap
out of you.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Back in the night.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And man, they ain't called nothing on your bad. It
was a fight out there. But don't tug my jersey
once I break away from you. Don't do that because
you know a lot of times it's to call what
we call it like a sling shot move I did
to a lot of D linemen.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like they get in front of me, I grab them
and then.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Pulled myself out, launched myself in front of them, and
now I'm in a position where I could block them.
And that's what DB's do. They would tug you and
the next thing you know, they in front of you
to knock the ball down. So that was my only thing,
and it's tough, and I went through something very similar
to what Tea is going through. Signed the contract in
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ninety six. It was a three year deal, made me
the highest paid. Told me that, hey, Shannon, you know
you played like you played. We're gonna tear this contract up.
You'll never get to the third year. We're gon we're
gonna extend it. Right, So ninety seven, I come in
on your ninety seven. I come in, first team All Pro,
eleven hundred yards, lead the team in receiving, ninety eight
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go in, led the team in touchdowns, first team All
Pro game. No contract, No, they're not even talking about contract.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Come man.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I tweaked my aduct probably about ten days before we
got a report.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Ojo man, that thing wouldn't get healthy for nothing, And so.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I deal with that all training camp, and I managed
to get through it and I was able to get massages,
got it worked on, and it's starting to feel better.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Get off to a great start over too.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think I got like in the first three or
four games, I got like twenty three twenty four catches
cook it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In that fourth game, Ojo Darian Gordon, whose X teammate
of mind. Then what we call teacups. So he catched
me like this, I'm running shallow and he tackled in
my arm. Yeah, broke my collar bone.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh, you hit the ground. He put all that pressure
on you all that. They don't take much the ressure
to break the collar bone. And I knew it. I
knew it instantly. I knew it instantly.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I remember saying, I remember sitting up Greek most in
the Greek to come get, come, come Greek. I said,
Greek is my collar ball Greek. He said, what do
you think happened? Sharpe, I said, Greek, I broke it.
He said, you think so? So he put his he
put his hands up.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
On the up under my up under my past. Yes, Sharpe,
you you're like a oh Joe Joe daddy man missed
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the rest of the year end up in Baltimore, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There's a report that Justin Fields had a toxic relationship
with Nick Foles in the Chicago locker room. According to reports,
the relationship between Foes and Fields basically reached rock bottle
after a situation where Fose were trying to teach something
to feel only to turn around and realized that Phil
wasn't paying attention to anything Phil Fols were saying.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
According to report, Foes and Fields could not stand each
other and wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
They said, you you in chat in the NFL, listen as.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Much as you want to get along with everybody, think
about where you work. If you work in the corporate
world or wherever you work, you don't get along with
every person that's there.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
That man is in there to take your job.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They are there to compete. Yeah, yeah, they are you.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
You are there to compete. Everybody's not gonna get along
on the same team. That's just the nature of the business.
At times, I'm better than you. Why are you sitting
there trying to teach me younger, younger player. Listen to
an older veteran who's been somewhat not someone not not really,
I don't want to call him a journeyman, but you know,
playing on a few different teams, he has a Super
Bowl win. So I think that's someone you would want
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to listen to, and especially yeah, especially when it comes
to playing a position to the quarterback, because he knows
what it takes to win, because he has one before
after taking over for.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Carson Wentz who got hurt. You know, but listen, at times,
you're just not gonna like people. It's just the way
it is.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
And I think it's unfortunate that that came down to this.
I think it's unfortunate that it got out. Now that
Justin Fielder is gone and he's in eath in Pittsburgh,
So why now, why now it wasn't an issue, then
why make it an issue now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It wasn't such issue.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But I just I'm disappointed that it got out because
it makes Justin feel like he's uncoachable, like he's he's
unwilling to listen to someone.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
That's trying to help help me out.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
And you know, look, when I was in there and
somebody could give me some valuable information on the mistake
that I made is that I listened to the wrong
person and he gave me the wrong round and I
went there read at full.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Speed, and Coach looked at me like I was a
damn food. But that's my fault. That's my fault. I think.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
The thing is o Joe for me is that when
I I've always said that if I ever gotten a situation,
I said, when I make the team next year, someone
asked me something, I'm gonna be able to give him
the real information because I'm just look at you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You can't beat me.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna teach you everything you know, not everything I know,
so you're never gonna be able to get beat this job.
And I understand, like when Ozzy made the move to
move on the targy, he had to get me up
out of the TARGI was never gonna be able to
beat me, but that dragon right because I knew too much.
I had been I knew all the tricks of the trade.
I knew how to get opened no matter what the
situation was. But my job was to make sure and
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to Rook's credit, he hung on everything that I said.
So I tried to make sure that the locker of
the tight end room was better when I left and
when I found it the same way with Denver. I
take it as a as an elder statesman. Oo, that's
my job to pass that information down. Because I had
some guys that really helped me in the receiver room.
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Mark Jackson, I backed him up. He helped me immensely,
Vance Johnson. Those guys really really helped me when I
was there, and so I really appreciated the older guys
really helping me to try to get me up to
speed because they knew if something would have them, I'm
gonna have to go in and play. Now, what good
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is that you don't help me out? And I got
to go in and play and I don't know what
the hell I'm doing. Right, that's a negative reflection on you.
But I agree with you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't like that this got out.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Because at the end of the day, you know who's
gonna look negative on Yeah, because you got a veteran
quarterback that's played a number of years in the league,
and like you said, he did win the Super Bowl,
he did go to a Pro Bowl. He once had
a season with you through twenty seven doves, two interception.
So it's like, man, he tried to help justin field
and just the field doesn't. He's uncoachable. You can't help it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
And it's so funny. It's always it's always the black quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
W stuff like this comes out. You think it only
happy with them. I guarantee you it definitely doesn't. I
think when Brett Farr and Aaron Rodgers were there, I'm
sure they will.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Say the same. Yeah, hey, it it was some of
the same issues, you know, I think.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I think it happens like that when you have two
players at a certain position and you understand that if
you're not playing well the person that's trying to help
him coach, you could eventually be taking your job if
you don't play.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Up the par and it just it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The friendly wager between UNLSU teammate Jane Daniel Belik Neighbors
is off.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They placed the friendly wager ten thousand dollars bet which
he whoever would win off the NFL's offensive rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Now you'd win the money.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But on Friday after the Neighbors attended rookie camp, the
Giants learning the specific of the NFL's gambling park problem.
Excuse me, the NFL gambling policy and he revealed that
the bet was off. It is unclear if the beat
would have violated the policy, but the two aren't taking
any chances now. The neighbors said, I'm educating now and
I got to be able sports betting and gambling.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So we're calling the bet off. There's no bet now.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
And no sir, Hey, Malik, neighbors Jane Daniels, the better
still own the better still on, give me the money.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I'm still a part. I'm not a part of the NFL. Well,
I am waiting now mine. Let me take that back,
Let me take that back. Better still on, No matter what,
just put the money in my hand.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Put the money in my hand, and I make a
decision at the end of the season on who deserves it. Malik,
you got to come to playboy, You got to come
to play if you're going to outdo a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
How about a bro I bet your ten grand I
went offensive Rookie of the Year? Okay, bet it's when
you made it public, right, see something? Some things you
just keep telling yourself.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
O Joe.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Well, actually I like it, though I like it because
I don't think he made it public. I think it's
it's a great uh motivating tactic?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Are you in a less motivated by things?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Let me ask you a question, how many people?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
How many people? How many people knew your goals? You
didn't share them with anybody, did you? And you was
just as motivated the chiebo. You have to understand well, look,
I get it, Ojo, but you have to understand how
the NFL and the gambling. So you don't want you
don't even want to mention of it. Like I said,
O Joe, I bet you're such and such. Bet do
(33:44):
at the end of the year, how'd you get this?
I ain't gonna say how I got it, but a
good a good friend of mine gifted it to me.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think for one, on the league neighbors part,
I think it was all in good fun.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Look, look friendly, really friendly, friendly competition. And I don't
think I don't think it's against the NFL gambling polish
because they're not gambling on the game.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
They're just it's a friendly.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Wager between them between themselves based on how they play
their rookie season.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That's all that.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That's no foul, no harm. Now you know you want
to know what's harm?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Me bribing the referee with a goddamned dollar bill trying
to challenge a riff a call.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, now that that not that. Now that's gambling because I.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Literally took out a dollar and tried to bribe the referee.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Now that I understand them making a friendly wager between themselves,
whether it's public or not, it's no harm, no foul,
and I hope i'd hope, you know, we'd allow those
two to go out it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Man, you know there a lot of bets going on. Man,
that doesn't been best between teammates. I mean not teammates,
but hell, I a teammates free Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Yeah, but nobody knows, nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Know, nobody knew. I bet for Williams twenty five thousand,
but I would have more touchdown than.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He had sacks.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
God leave, man, guess what I broke. I broke my
collar ball week four. He broke he towards Achilles week five.
So we settled. I went to He wanted twelve out,
so I said we could settle. He had one sack,
I had no touches, So we settled.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
What you had to pay?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
He said, I'll tell you what he said, I want
twelve thousand five hundred dollars. Guess what this joker wanting.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What do you want it? Don't say food, Susan B. Anthony.
Dollars Susan B. Anthony.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars, so I had to
go to the bank and get because he wanted to
inconvenience me. He wanted my pride. Oh, order into the bank.
Could I get twelve thousand, five hundred dollars of Susan B.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Anthony? Do your hard know how hard it is to
get those damn things? So he made it difficult, yes,
and they was heavy as hair.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Hey, let's go. I like the bet, though, I like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Because that's the way we betted, so like we bet
in the locker room, didn't I didn't want your money,
I want your pride. Yeah, I want five hundred dollars nickels. Man, Shaw,
come on, man, I want you to take your ass
to the bank. Ask the cashier could you get five
hundred dollars in nickels? And when she asked, you say,
mister such and such, why you need five hundred dollars
on nickels. I want you to tell them I lost
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the bet to eighty four. I'll get buffalo knickas I
get one hundred dollars in Buffalo nickels, I get two
hundred and fifty dollars in dimes. That's what I wanted.
I wanted, I wanted what is it, candidate half dollars?
We call them Kenada fifty cent pe. Yeah, I wanted dose, yes,
silver dollars. Yes, I want your pride, oh to everybody
making money.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So what is it for me? O?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Can you lose a thousand dollars? You're gonna bring me
a thousand dollars cash? No, I don't want a thousand
dollars cash. I want coins, pennies, nickels, dimes, Buffalo nickels,
Susan b Anthony quarters, Canada half dollar. Candidate fifty said
what we call him in the South.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
God, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know we gambled everything. We had a little poppet
shot basketball thing in the locker room. So we we
betting per Dim. Hey bet everybody got there. Per Dim
lined up the road for Dim. Yes, yes, we bet road.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
For Dim man.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Me and we're getting ready to go to practice being
mahme being my homeboy Burns. He's like, we got so
you know, we've been there for a week So I
went upstairs, got my check, got his.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I said, because we like to bet, don't even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Put it down. Okay, fine, bet, but what it is?
So I put my check down, He put his down.
We shoot, We gotta go to practice. We come back.
Come on, let's get the ball first. Hey, hold up
me and burn shooting this? He shoot, he missed.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I make it. So at that point in time, you
get to open the check and see what it is.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So he opened my check. I opened his.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
He was like fourteen hundred dollars, right, MANE was like
seventy thousand. He said, Oh boy, you'd have been throwing up.
I said, oh, hell yeah, I say, but that's but
that's the chance that you make. You don't look at
the check.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You just bet. Yeah, I'm cool with that. I'll bet it.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Oh we bet everything. Oh we bet everything? Oh bou
ray in between? You have played in between?
Speaker 6 (38:37):
N what's that in between between two?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You take two decks of cards. I flipped one. I
flipped both cards up. It might be an ace, it
might be a five. You gonna say, he in between.
If it comes in between the ace and the five,
you win. If you get hit on the edges you
get dump you have to pay double. So if it's
an ACE or A five, you pay double. Man, we
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laid on the way to super Bowl after guys, what
pot got in life?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Fifty grand? Thousand?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, oh, we took super Bowl I took. Oh, hey, Peter,
I'm sorry, I got to give up this information.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Oh but we took.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We took a We took for super Bowl tickets off
Willie Green fourth super Bowl tickets and ten grand.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Look, I was very generous. Oh, Joe, I want to
do old school car seventy one chavel? Yeah, I said, Man,
give me five grand. I can't, I say, cause you
go home and tell your wife you lost this car.
It's gonna be problems in your snap. Yeah, give me
five grand. We'll call it either. And Mike used to
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tell him, say, look, y'all gambling with eighty four. Do
y'all know how long eighty four have been playing?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Eighty four? Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I don't really like you guys gambling, because I don't
want you thinking about your lost twenty thousand and thirty
thousand during the game. But if I rock with you,
if I want to big some of money off, y'all
like bro, go ahead, Hey, just give me, give me
five grand.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We'll call it either. But I wanted nice black chrome rems.
Just got it.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It probably worked about twenty twenty five. I said, Man,
give me five grand.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
You cool boy.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Hey, for y'all listen, I'll wake.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Whenever the gambling went on, locker room training camp. We
don't break.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Man.
Speaker 6 (40:42):
I'm man.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You know I ain't around none of that, bro, I
ain't spending money.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Came about, Oh Joe, you gonna ask anybody that played
in Denver from nineteen from nineteen ninety five ninety six,
all the way they closed it down when I left,
when I came back from there.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's what we gamble.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We played cards, we wrote roll dice, they play video game.
We drank smoke, all that with a club.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
That's how it came to be.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Man, I don't see. I don't see how y'all do that.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Man, And people in the chat that gamble, people just
in general, like even when y'all was playing, even former
teammates of mind they was there. There's such an excitement
and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble.
Here from and me being from Miami watching people gamble,
playing spades, playing playing tunk, playing get like me with
the quarters that it was in high school, watching watching
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the dope boys play Sea low. Excuse me, I hate
I hate to say that word, but watching.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
The boys se lo like, what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything
where I can't control it. Like if I'm losing money,
I want to be in control of it. I don't
want any outside variations of what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It caused me to lose my money.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
And then I remember going I went to the casino
with Rail and I'm talking to the man saying, sir,
are y'all gonna stop the man from continuing to gamble
that much money at the high roller table?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Why are you allowing him.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
To do this?
Speaker 6 (42:14):
That's what we do here?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Ye oh no, I gotta have we gambling.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Why why do you think we don't have no windows?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
What the you means? What the windows have to do anything?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
And their clocks on the wall because they want you
to lose track of time and they pumping in fresh oxygen.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
List I learned all this just not too long ago.
With that, when I was in Vegas for f one.
You know, I'm like many'll oh Joe, we gamble.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, every night, every There was not one night in
Denver when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble. Oh, Joe,
we was going to bed like we gotta be like,
we got practice at nine. We ain't going to bed
till like two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And y'all going to practice on four five hours of sleep.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
And the last night we step up the whole night
like our crew that normally, Oh, we gotta you gotta
stey up the whole night. Oh oh we had a
black Hey, we had a blast. Oh and the last
and the last night the rookiees. Yeah, got to give
them o joke.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
You got you got them? Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Look here we go to the store. We get like
twenty five pounds of flour. We get like eight nine
ten bottles of syrup. We cut the pillows open, right,
we got the tar and feather.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Oh not the tar feather, Yeah, extinguish.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Oh you know how hard you're not hard that is
to get off?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I do know.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh no, think about how many guys came with Ben
with Ben with pillow feathers in their head and only
stuck on their back and on the neck.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Hey cause you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey,
I get the key, I get the math key.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
In their sleep five stewish him down, booking up out
of there. Oh, we did some damage, but you know
what Mike said, Hey, hey, I don't normally do this,
but I know, you know, probably eighty four had something
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And this team or if there's some stuff popped off,
they already know. Fright, team building.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We got this cover. Oh we that dorm was a mess. Yes, yes,
because he got together them. Oo.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's a part of it. We the Ron Gold.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
That's what I missed, O Joe. See, that's what I missed,
the fun, That's what I missed. The talent show, like
we did, y'all have a talent show, like the rookies
had to put on the talent show.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
No, but hey, listen that that hard knock y'all had.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yes, so we did that talent show.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Boy when when Buddy did ray Lewis and Buddy did
and uh, Buddy did you?
Speaker 6 (45:12):
I was in tears.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
I'm talking about in tears, crying.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Good that we have we have.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
We had a talent show, we have a Telor show
in uh in Denver. But I you know, like I said,
I I ain't really know like I said, I mean,
when I was in college, we didn't really do the
stuff like like like rookie stuff hazing.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
They ain't cutting nobody hair and stuff like that. I mean,
I'm trying to think what.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
We did to the rookies cause they got me. I mean,
it was it was all all fun. Like I said,
I don't want to let nobody cut my hair, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
And I ain't.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
We wasn't doing anything to the meaning body. We want
to go cut your hairs and boobies just like that.
But I'm sure there was some things that we did,
but that was all a part of it. That's what
I missed. That's what I missed. If they could just
let me and I was like Mike, if I could
just go back, I ain't want to do meetings no more.
That's what really got me out of the league, the meetings.
I said, Mike, just let me practice, let me show
(46:04):
up to practice, Let me playing the games. Your boy,
good boy, good, I would say, But uh, oh, Joe,
those to the days, bro, I wish I could get
those back.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I wish I could do that. Obviously I couldn't play anymore, but.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I just want to go hang around the team, just
go had not Now I'm just letting my guys what
I was like after I left, like three or four years.
I just want to go back because a lot of
the guys that I played with were still playing. Man,
I said, Man, I wish I could just go back there.
They're like sharp, Man, it ain't the same without you
because you, oh Joe, you know, I can't it live now?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:33):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I guess it's even to attack the messenger instead of
digest the message.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
Why do players because sometimes they wrong with the criticism.
Sometimes the criticism is not warranted. Sometimes you criticizing based
off your insecurities.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 9 (47:01):
Yeah, criticize, criticized, but not based off what you saying
you would have done, because you don't have the ability
to do with that would have been done. So that's
my problem, right criticism.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I look at it like this, when before this social
media blew up time, what we would ask of people
that was critiquing us, Okay, did you play?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
They all these players.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Now is like they wanted someone that actually played the game,
that had an intimate knowledge of the game, to know
what it's like to be in the locker room, to
know what it's like to be in the toddle, to
know what it be like in the feel and feel that. Okay,
so now, and then when they got that, they said, well,
you didn't win anything. So now when I critique a player,
not only did I win at the highest level, I
(47:44):
won multiple times. Not only did I win multiple times,
I got the ultimate validation by being selected in camp.
So now would it, Oh, you jealous? You mad because
you didn't make as much money. I made a damn
lot of money for tight ends when I played time
change Inflation. Okay, guys are making money. I get nothing.
You asked me to give you my honest assessment. When
(48:07):
I give it to you, you don't like it because
I critique your favorite play.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Amen. So I don't understand how.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
We I think I think it's a different era when
a different era, and I think it's more so delivery.
I think delivery is very very important, and the way
we are critical and we analyze players, it will be
seen regards to how you try to do it, it
will be seen as hate because there's really no way
to criticize a player without him feeling a certain way
about it.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
And again, I talk with you.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
We talk about this all the time, Prime, and they
get on me a lot about not being able to
be critical of players when they don't play the way
they should.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
And I always go back from a.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
Point of view of knowing what it's like to be
them now opposed to being on the other side with
the media. Now, it's very difficult for me to say
he did A, B and C. But I'd rather say
I'd rather talk about D, E and F on what
he can do to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I don't even want to focus on the negative. I
want to I don't want to be the problem. I
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want to tell you what the solution is so you
don't play like that again.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I like, I like, that's what but that's not what
just But but that's not what happened. You got a
critique on what you saw, not what you think. You're
gonna get down.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
The road.
Speaker 9 (49:18):
That he's not like you know, Chad, They're gonna do that.
He ain't gonna critique nobody. He ain't you know, Chad,
he ain't be like that, Chad.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Chad. Chad not want to be because he is. Chad
is a good dude, and he he want to be loved.
He just want to be Hell. You want to be
what hell? I just want to be hell.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
I like criticism.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (49:43):
Think about when I played I love.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I want you to hate.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
I want you to talk trash.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
I want you to say bad things about me like
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the saying bad stuff like
it's like it's dry. It lights somewhat of a fire,
you know. And that's why to me, I don't understand
why players care what the media says that should motivate you.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know, I like that.
Speaker 9 (50:08):
You can't expect people to be where you are. That's
what I had to learn as a coach years ago.
You can't expect people to be you. You can't expect
people to feel like you, to think like you, to
interpret things like you, to to to even fathom things
like you.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They ain't built like that. Check out, but make one
of you. Man.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
We at the highest level. It's the NFL, though, and
you know, think about.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Let me finish.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
Let me get where I'm going to even get to the.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Pinnacle of your childhood dream. You've had to be through
some ship, You've had to go through some stuff, So
anything being said in and or about you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Even bother you.
Speaker 9 (50:46):
We just been talking about new audition. I said you
about Brown, and I said he probably was.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Prime.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
I was with you that, me and you.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
I was with you at nineteen ninety two, me and you.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Lie. But anyway, that's a lie.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
But anyway, yo, guys, we've heard about pre We've heard
about your pregame rituals, but what about your post game rituals?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Did you have anything that you did time? Did you
have anything?
Speaker 9 (51:13):
I always had migraines, Always had migraines, So controlling the
migraine from being up and being fired up and just
wanted to go get it that calming down period was tough.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
So I always had migraines.
Speaker 9 (51:27):
So on the plane ride back home, they was medicating
me and trying to get me stuff and ice everywhere.
I couldn't never do nothing at the games, so I
always went to the crib straight homeship.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
My routine, after my routine, after every game in Cincinnati
was always the same, win or lose, I'm going to
j Alexander's in Hyde Park. I have a celebratory cigar.
Win or lose, obviously forgetting out of game healthy.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And that was it.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I did the same thing every every after every game
for a decade straight. And if the people, if Core
Britt from Jay Alexander sees this, if y'all don't bring
back them, goddamn honey butter biscuits.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
I know some honey butter croissants. Oh man, what.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I normally just went home, I go get something occasionally
something was it something you would got they want something
that that that that that it was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't nothing going on. My body was, man, you know,
I was leaning going on time.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
It wasn't no fix going on. I would I wasn't
gonna be able to do nothing of locked up on
them and then you got it. I'd have to get
an I V out like this there, so no we
Occasionally I would go, we'd go out the guys, we'd
go get something to eat.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
But most of the time I would call ahead get
an order.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Black There's this restaurant called Black Eyed p I would
call ahead, get chicken, rice, broccoli, corn, two two week rolls,
and and and and and eliminated is eating.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Man, I have a quick prime. Did you eat healthy
when you play? No?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Thank you, man, you so I was so ignorant in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (53:07):
I had soul food catered for lunch for everybody, for
the whole team. Man, you collar greens and rice and
black eyed baked chicken. We din't eat it for lunch.
Didn't go out there the practice. I was like, man,
we all lovest that.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
Man, Man, thank you know what?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
But all I would do, y'all eat that. I'm going
to I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
I'm glad I did because I've been trying. I've been
telling people for thirty some years. They don't listen to me.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
No I did.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I wish I had it, though I wish I had it.
I wish I had always stayed in shap but I
didn't eat right right.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
I didn't eat right either, and I always stayed in shape.
Speaker 9 (53:42):
So but you you you you a freak genetically dog
you you could eat whatever you want. You still gonna
stay lean.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
But but you know I still but I worked like
a mad man. I'm still working like a mad man.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I ain't got you just you're gonna always be lean.
That's your jeans, that's just you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
You never and you you don't. You don't have the
disposition to put on away. You're not gonna be two fifty.
You're not gonna be three hundred, Joe. That's not your
body frame. Look out marriage twenty. You see how your shoulders.
You don't him I'm not now, I'm two twenty. What
are you talking about now?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Look, No, you've never been. You never did two hundred
in your life. Hey, yeah, I'm too twenty right now,
You've never been. You've never been. You know, I don't
think you've ever hit two hundred in your life.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Hey, No, never hell Hey hey, Prad, you know how
they used to have in the NFL experience.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
They had that jersey and the little kid go stick
the head of that bag and you see little body Hagar.
That's what rip though. He always been read it grip now,
I'm ripping. You've always been. You've always been that way.
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Ye don't don't don't play.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
I won't say this. My brother and I have never
had a fight. Now.
Speaker 8 (54:53):
He used to cheat and I used to beat him down,
but we never had a fight. The only time my
brother told me what he wasn't going to do was
that he wasn't going to go to Savannah State College.
And I said, that's good, because I'm on the way.
I'm leaving Columbia. I was at school at South Carolina.
(55:14):
I'm leaving, bro, You're not going to the Army. That's
not going to happen. The only time he and I
ever had a disagreement. I have never, in my fifty
nine years on this earth, tried to be his father.
But we were always taught that if you have to
look past your own dinner table to find a role model,
(55:36):
there's something going on in your home. I only wanted
him Bobby Dandridge, his nickname was mister Clutch. We had
Frank o'harris and Tony Dorset. I wanted him to look
(55:57):
at his own dinner table and be like, remember, it's
the shepherd and the sheep thing. I never told him
what to do. I never tried to instruct him. I
never led him. I lived my life. But the wonderful thing,
and for those of you who have kids, you know this.
The wonderful thing is he was watching and I am
(56:21):
so proud. I'm proud of that guy right there, because
I'm proud of Chad because the perception the persona and
who he really is is actually two totally different people.
You don't realize how hard it is for him to
come out here and do that. That ain't who he is,
(56:42):
That is not who he is. I'm ruining it for
you and.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
For him to.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
He didn't go through anything. He's led by a higher
power that put him where he.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Wanted to be.
Speaker 8 (56:54):
And what he went through on TV, he needed to
go through that so he could get here. And sometimes
many many times in a family, you go through things
that are hurtful. But he had to go through that
to get to hear and he had to be here
(57:17):
to get him. And those two together are doing some
really good stuff. They're fun to watch. They they talk
about really good things. Not the antal part, but they
talk about really good things. And I'm very proud of
both of them. When we did the same things. When
(57:39):
we both played football, we could talk football. When we
both did TV, we could talk TV. I played golf,
he doesn't. So we don't have anything in common right now,
but we can still find out how each one of
us how we're doing. And I'm very proud of how
he handled the Skip situation. He almost all most lost it.
(58:03):
The the the Afro American almost came out. I know
you saw it when the glasses went on the table, Stap,
I'm in the Afrot Hall of Fame. I was like,
I said to myself, that is the end of the
Sharps on TV. That's it, because I knew what was
(58:28):
gonna come next. And I was like, Skip, I hope
you can fight, But no, I say that in jest.
I never did. I never thought he would lose control.
I was really shocked that he yelled and screamed. But
he yelled and screamed not because of what Skip said.
He yelled and screamed because he was so hurt that
(58:48):
he's someone he liked and trusted would say or do
that to him, and he would never say this.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I'm not on TV.
Speaker 8 (58:57):
I don't do anyone else's media at all except PGA
Tour Golf. I go on their show, but I don't
do anybody else. That's because you can't ask me about him,
because I'm not going to give you anything about him.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Do I like his success?
Speaker 8 (59:16):
You're gonna have to use your own imagination. Do I
think he is doing the right thing. You're gonna have
to use your imagination. I do not talk about him.
Everybody goes when you're gonna be on Club Shay Shap,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
I was first.
Speaker 8 (59:35):
Before it became Club Shashee and Chad they were famous.
I went on then because I was like, I see
where this train going, and this is way before Cat William.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
I do not want to be anywhere near where this
thing's going.
Speaker 8 (59:51):
So Club Shay and Nightcap, I can say this, this
is probably the last time you will see me publicly
because they're going in a totally different stratosphere. And I
want to thank Cam Newton. I told Cam backstage I
am very impressed by him because they are a lot alike.
(01:00:15):
And you have to admit Cam is the largest human
being you've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Dude. Its gigantic.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You say you were disappointed that your former coach was there.
When you got there, y'all came in together. If I'm
not mistaken, Ron Rivera didn't call you when he was
in Washington. Why did that upset you so much? That
was my dog, Like we've been through so much. I
always hear his voice on my head.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, kiddo, you know man that, like I say this respectfully,
he raised me and I raised him.
Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
He was a rookie head coach, I was a player.
I was not going to allow him to fail in Carolina,
not under my watch, because there's an oath and as
it's just in us as athletes, that when somebody takes
a chance on you, no matter what round it is,
you feel obligated to give because they've no matter what
(01:01:22):
you want to say, they've allowed you the opportunity to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Take care of your bloodline.
Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
So when what was happened or what had happened in
Carolina with me and coach Vera, we had numerous talks
and discussions about the game of football and about life.
So when I was going through the transition of being
out of Carolina, I was like, yo, at least I
was damn coaching and it wasn't just him.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
See that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
I can't blame a head coach because he may not
have picking power.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But Marty Hernie the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
He was.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
He drafted me right he was in DC and he
said no.
Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
It's I'm gonna take it a step further. The head
trainer that they had, Ryan Vermilion, was there nobody.
Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
So me going through this whole resurgence, like yo, like damn.
Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
I kept asking my agent.
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I'm like, Yo, they ain't call Washington, ain't called m
know what's going on? So maybe you weren't as close
as you previously thought.
Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
Man, I'm an action person, bro, I'm an action person,
and I teach my children this.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Man.
Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
I could tell you anything, but if I don't prove
on a day to day basis that I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Love what I showed you, Oh, that don't mean nothing
to me. Have you had a conversation with him? Have
you spoken to him? No, sir, not like we said now,
it's not no beef.
Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
And I don't want nobody to kind of take what
I'm saying is that I'm angry because there was a
business decision that has to be and I was and
I knew I was coming off a shoulder injury. Is
that that's all it was. It was like for me
to just say, hey, kiddo, how you doing, Hey, how
you feeling? Though, let's come up here for a physical
(01:03:15):
let me really a deep That's that's the relationship we had.
And it was the things And I told Coach r Vera,
I was like, Yo, this was in Carolina. I was like,
in any short yarded situation, coach, give me the fucking ball,
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Speaker 1 (01:43):
They got, they played. They start the season. Obviously, you
win the Super Bowl, you start this seven deserving it.
So so you got the Black Priday game, which is
the game after Thanksgiving, You got the Christmas Day game.
You got a Saturday game. Yeah, two Sunday night games,
two Monday night games. Well, my homeboy, everybody want to
see you, bro.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
They do rightfully to who much is given?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Much as required?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, And plus the fact the matter of Ojo that
Black Friday game we're selling at the Amazon. Well, if
I'm spend one hundred, one hundred and fifty million dollars,
I need I need box Office. Who's more box Office
than my homeboy? Okay, Netflix, they're streaming the Christmas Day game.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I need box Office? Who more box Office than my homeboy? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, and listen also, and I hate to bring this up,
Travis Kelsey is connected to a young lady that has
an entirely different demographic and age group watching those games
as well.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, but don't bring that up, o yoase they gonna
get mad at us.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And she's made she's made her business to let people
know she will she will be at these games. Follow
her man, she will be at these games. And what
does that do NFL?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Follow the money?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Come on now, it's chess, not checkers. Chess not check us.
At the end of the day, remember what their bottom
line is.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
No matter what they tell you, what they say, it's
all about the money at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So I'm not I'm not up I'm not upset. I'm
not upset about you know, that's tough. I mean that's
an early bye week because you think about all those
games that they're gonna have on Black Friday, on Christmas
Day and those Sunday Sunday night games. Yeah, the NFL
could have did a ma solid and put them by
week around week ten, week or eleven.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, my our bye weeks when I was there,
always felt kind of like right the middle of like
week eight, week nine.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh yo, So you know I'm good?
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't even know.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's so funny, you know, you know what I did
on my bye week, especially if we if we had
a winning record my bye week, I'm I ain't take
no buy man.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
I go play.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
I go play pick up soccer the whole time every
every year.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, now, oh Joe, I think they got to give
you the whole week off. Mike Canahan won't give you
the whole week off.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
WHOA a whole week?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, they get the whole week off.
Speaker 6 (04:11):
Whatever came from.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I guess it's in the new CBA. Y.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I mean a whole week, man, we got Mike.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, we go out there third like we might
get Thursday, we might get half of they Thursday so Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
and then we had to be back Monday to work
and be worked out.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But by now three days, man, look here, that ain't
no damn bye week.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'm just telling what I'm telling what we had. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I don't know that about all the other team. I
don't know what the mother teams did. I can't I
can't speak to that. But I'm telling you what the
Broncos had when we were when we were there.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, and I man, I remember, I remember clearly all
my bye weeks. I remember clearly all my bye weeks,
and every time we had practice Monday.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I think we practiced Monday.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I think we practiced Tuesday, and we'd be off Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Saturday and we and we had to be back Monday. Man,
that whole week I'm in Miami. I'll never forget. I
played soccer at KSP Kendu Soccer Park. I play at
Urban Soccer five. At that time.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It was in wynn Wood.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Man, I'm playing soccer the whole week and then I
come back Monday ready and back the football.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Mm hmm right here. Didn't one doing that? Fat? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
They were doing that, and it wasn't no situation. It
wasn't no situation. Was like, hey, you know such and
such got the whole week. Maybe, man, please, he.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Don't care, he don't care.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Nobody know what nobody else doing.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Huh hell no, hell to the now, because he's like,
he's gonna tell us, hey, what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That is what they trying to do.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You can't wring your players into the ground, man.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Man, please, we were so we were so happy about that.
We were so happy getting off now because that means
we can take the flight. And you know it's still
two hours, you know so, but you at least you
got Friday Saturday.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Man, you gotta leave Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You can't chance it. I can't chance leaving Friday Monday morning.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and be late and in that plane something happened
with the flame or you miss a flight.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh hell no, man, might to lose it.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Damn mind y'all y'all got fined back then?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
What fine?
Speaker 6 (06:40):
YEA the find one that much?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Though?
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Because uh, I think like a fine might be like, say,
a fine is like two thousand dollars for yo, if
you paid it, if you paid if you paid one
thousand dollars in front of the team. He would he
if you paid one thousand dollars in cash.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And so it's the fact, because here is the fact
you walking down there, so somebody we might not know
you was late, we might not have known you done something,
but you coming down there to hand Mike some money
or we know you have fd up. So that's that's
kind of what it was, because it's kind of like
the team know that you let him down in somewhere.
Maybe you was late for a meeting, you missed the meeting,
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but that walk off, like we have that walkthrough. We
not walked through at eleven o'clock. Man, please, man, they see
Mike mag man, boy, you better not be late for
that walk through. Mike didn't play that. And then here
is the thing, Oh Joe, you know to walk through.
We're not going fool speed, but it's a nice speed
(07:44):
now it ain't no bullget yeah yeah man, oh Joe,
wat see let me table class. Why them dudes start
coming out there with tea.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Come home, man, come on, hold yo, man and tim
uh Man new jokes coming out there. Then come the hold.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
It was cold right when it was cold though, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I'm just oh yo, that's not the them jokers
coming out there. They got the jeans on and then
got the sweats over the jeans.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Jeans.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Oh Lord, have mercy. Man, Mike Hey might call that
thing up. He said, y'all ever come out here like
that again? Right?
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I said, See, I knew y'all would go it up.
I knew I knew it. I knew it. But they
knew how.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Mike was right.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh Joe, we got we having a practice. This was
in ninety seven. Anybody else on that team that could
take Oh Joe, we were about thirty minutes through from practice. Now,
mind you, we're already out there. We've already been out
there about an hour and fifteen minutes. Yes, shir, Mike
started off whole practice, over the whole practice, the whole practice.
And I'm talking about this, know it like a beat.
(09:06):
I'm talking about this so cold old choke. Look, I
don't know what I think it was a team drill,
and I might have started it. You dropped the ball.
I dropped the ball. Rod dropped the ball through a
swing past the TV. He dropped the ball.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Yeah, man, Mike Blue that whistle.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Whistle that's shoover.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I was like, okay, oh so you know me, oh ye,
you know, I'm like, you know, my bad, fellows, my bad.
So I'm thinking we're about to start the period over right,
this man starts stretching and everything over.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Man, I wanted to fight Mike. Yes, got the whole
mob on practice over.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh look here when I say Mike, when I say
Mike ran a tight ship and that foolishness, we didn't
have no foolishness, because hey, bro, look here, don't y'all
mess this up?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Heat up?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Like, okay, guys, if we doce X, Y and Z,
hey such and such. Man, look here, hey, we had
this time. We're gonna do it. We're gonna go out there,
we're gonna play it. We're gonna practice our ass off.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Y'all this up.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Because we know we had a we were a veteran
led team, like Mike, let us release the team. We'll
fight all you young mofos up in this thing. Don't
y'all mess this up.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Mike started a whole practic from stretching. I thought we
were gonna go back to the period and started a period.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This man donna start the whole mofok, practice over and
we gotta go stretch all over again. I couldn't even
be hot because I was so damn cold. Yeah, hey boy,
look here, And that's what l Joe. And when I
tell people the mindset that you have to that you
have have to have that I believe you need to have. Mike,
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ain't let nothing skate like you drop a past and
and and and like you the defense might do something
might blow an assignment and defense so nobody we got it.
Mike say no if we don't run down again? Uh
oh a drop past?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Oh that's that. Ain't sliding?
Speaker 7 (11:22):
Oh no, oh.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
No what and so Mike, Michael, Mike was like Tom
Causton and basically.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
He didn't like Look, Mike was very very like his time,
like time with like the meeting starts at this time
when Mike, when Mike walked down them steps, don't you
walk your ass in behind him? So everybody was we
understood when Mike come in that room, everybody needs to
be in their seat. If you're not in there, you
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might just go ahead chalk it up. Like I said,
the one time I was late, I don't think he'd
have known I was late.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
It just so happened.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I was off as a player of the week, and
when he called my name, I didn't come down to
get the war. Hey I was, I was standing out.
I was outside the beating room looking at him like,
but no, but you Mike, look, be on time. That
was his number one thing. Be on time. Practice started,
I mean, meeting started, this time, practice started, this time,
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so forth and so on.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
That was that was really his only thing. And then
he let the veteran players.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
He let us police the locker room what was supposed
to transpire, because a lot of times, oh Joe, we
put out fires before it got the mic. He didn't
even know anything about it, right, And I think that's
where veteran leadership comes in at and that's why you
you can never have a really enough of quality vest
like nah, nah nah, get your ass in the meeting room.
(12:47):
Get off the phone. Your problem. You're on the phone
too much. That's why that's why you're not playing. Come about, man,
they're messing over me.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I pulled a film. I say, see you messing over us, right,
get in there. But we needed that, O Joe, you
need and until like you be in a situation on Joe,
you don't really know what it takes to win until
you're in a winning situation. Yeah, and you could say
that's why the forty nine ers had all that damn success.
(13:15):
If you go back and look at the forty nine ers,
you look at when Mike Horman got to the Packers
and they started to win consistently, you, I guarantee you
I can go. I don't really know how the Patriots did, think,
but I get to tell you why they won.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Yeah, listen, my time there was the Patriots. I understood
why they won within.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
The first week. Within the first week, Bill.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Belichick, he ran the tight ship, got to no one
had to explain what the Patriot we was, and just
the way everyone conducted themselves. And that's from the top
all the way to the bottom, from the top all
the way to the bottom, from the cafeteria to the
training room. I'm like, oh, okay, now I understand. Now,
I get it now. Obviously of that was also having
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number twelve and that key centerpiece at the helm of everything.
But man, unbelievable. I tell people all the time, and
people ask me, well, what was it like playing for Belichick?
What was it like being on the Patriots? I say, listen,
I've never been to the army, never been to the military.
I'm not a Navy seal.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
But if I had to take a guess the discipline.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Instructure that it takes to be and the armed forces,
it's what it takes the place for the goddamn patrios.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Same same thing, same concept.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
And I come to understand that Bell Belichick has a background.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I think it's his dad was at the Naval Academy.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
And that is why he ran it the way he did.
And that's exactly what that environment felt like.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
And see, that's why it never bothered me. My grandfather
was in the military, so I understood what a structured.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
Environment was, so you was used to it.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
It didn't bother me. My grandmother A what you said,
be up at be up at a certain amount of time.
We're gonna go pick peas, or we're gonna hear these fields.
We gotta go pick up he cans or whatever the
case may be. All right, boys, such and such gonna
come by tomorrow. Okay, I already know what that means.
That man coming by. He gonna pick us up at
seven o'clock. That means you get your butt up, you know,
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wash your face, brush your teeth, be ready to hit
that truck. I understood that, so it was never a
problem to me. Coach Reeves, he read. Coach Reeves was
a iro, no old school Tom Landry, no bull Dyve,
no bs. You jump off sides and training camp. You
run a lap.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Sometimes you make the whole team run.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Hey, I can't imagine growing men running no lap man,
you can.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You can imagine it. You could imagine it. Couesn't happened.
I don't know if anybody's in the chat that was
on those teams Coach Reeve was. I was with Coach
Reid from ninety to ninety two. Go ask him, Go
ask them, Hey, and if you hurt o joke, man,
they put you on that UBI.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
You ever did the UBI? When you pass like this here?
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Now, what's that?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's a it's a bike. But if so, if you
got like a half string issue or something like that,
that's how you get your cardio. Okay, man, he ran
me up out of there. Man, doing that, you'll be
for thirty minutes.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Thirty minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Man, you go all out for a minute, you break
four minutes. All out for a minute, you break four minutes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
For bad.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Please o't your oh I came up like that thing.
After day I say, I ain't hurt no more. I
ain't hurt them more. Your hell, non, I think sometimes,
don't yo. What happens is is that a coach has
a perception. When Mike was first there, Mike was the
quarterbacks coach because to the Raiders, and you know, he
(16:45):
had balling out. He ended up coming back. He's the
quarterback coach. So when he gets there, I'm mainly a
special teams player. He leaves and come back. Now I'm
the best tight in the league. That's not how he
remembered me, right, So we kind of butted heads. But
what he failed to realize what motivated me wasn't money. Yeah,
(17:08):
I'm a praise guy. Just tell me I did a
good job. And that's all I need to hear from you, right.
I don't need you to tell me, oh, hey, you know, hey,
you can be there. You can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know you can do. I don't need that. Just
tell my did I did a good job eighty four?
We can win with that. I appreciate you getting That's
all I need.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
And so once I left and went to Baltimore, and
when I came back, he's like, you know you want
to bring I said, Mike, I don't need to see it.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Look like I was in Denver. I know what the
facilities are like. I know what you're like.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I had to have had a conversation with mister Bowling
mister Bolan, had them say, look, I don't really put
my foot down, but hey, are you coming back? I said, Mike,
you know me. You know what I'm about. I'm about business.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I want to win. I prepare myself to win.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I try to do a great job of getting other
guys to get on board, to buy in what you're selling.
What you're selling. Need to see the facility all I
need to know. Do you want me to come back?
Because if mister Bowler want me to come back and
you don't, I'm not coming right, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Eighty four. We should have never let you go. Okay,
let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I had more money other places, but I thought it
was only right that I go back and finish my
career in Denver, where it all star. I would have
never been happy even if I took more money from Seattle,
had the opportunity to go to the Raiders. It wouldn't
been right because in my heart, that's not where I
wanted to go. I wanted to go finish my career
in Denver. But I just needed to hear him say it.
(18:35):
Once he said that I was cool.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Oh y'all.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I was like, Okay, let's do this. And plus and
I didn't want to put my kids. My kids were
still young, and man, have to get my kids to.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Fly and travel way.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Seat saying yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Then even to my mom because at that point in time,
my mom had retired, so my mom would fly that.
My mom would fly from Chicago because you know, but
after nine to eleven that stopped, well, uh, that stopped,
but she was still because their mom would walk them
through the airport, you know, send them down on a
company minor. But after that point I would fly my
mom there. They would walking to the gate, then my
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mom would meet him at the gate and then they
would come to Denver or my sister would do something
like that.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
But yeah, yeah, you got to just be careful for you.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Hey, hey, we we was told we were totally different too.
Like when I think about it, the coaching style that
you like and you accept, Like I was completely I
was completely different.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I like, I like that hard.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Coaching and where I'm based on where I'm from and
where I'm raised. I'm kind of used to it with
the cursing and the you know that that get me,
that get me going. When I had you, well listen,
when I had you, let me take my glances off
so you understand how serious I am, because you know
I'd be playing around all the time when I had
(19:56):
Hugh Jackson in Cincinnati and and I wasn't playing up
the par and he get the mother for he.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Get the cursing. Understanding.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
That's I know I can get Chad going with a motherfucker,
what the fuck you doing? Goddamn it, Come on, now,
let's go. Man, shoot, well you oh that shit just
got just got me.
Speaker 6 (20:17):
I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
It just got me, got me going and got me
motivated because I have lapses sometimes sometimes I play down
to the competition.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
And all it took was for you to to throw
to say something to me in a in an encouraging way,
but just add a little curse word to it. You know.
You know when you cook, you cook your chicken and you.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Add your seasoning just just add a little see I see,
I see curse words as sentence enhancers, and it just
get me going.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's weird. It's weird.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
So I love and enjoyed that type of coaching because
it made me want to not only prove myself, but
to make sure I don't embarrass you. Based on all
the coaching and goddamn film study and meaning we didne
did it all goddamn week. Let me go out here
and make sure I do my goddamn job for me
o jo.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I never played down because I know where I was playing,
because Mary Porter was in their condition.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
All of a sudden, yes, yes, and I got yes.
And so that was my motivation.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You because I looked at everybody that I faced, Well,
you trying to get my grandmat this house, you're trying
to get my kids out of the private schools. You're
trying to take food off their table, You trying to
get shouting to go back to Glenville with no running water.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
And oh no, bro, Yeah you couldn't see you and
you and you thought completely different idea. That's the only
thing completely different.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, that's the that was That was my motivation from
the time I can remember me and my brother talking
about it when we were sitting on those pine trees.
Young pine trees are called saplings, and we built that
many of them mofos over and my grandma said, boy,
y'all need to stop beating them saplings.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right, That's all we talked about. That's all I thought about.
That was my motivation. And so every time I looked
at somebody, Oh you trying to get granted up by
that house?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Okay, maam, I can tell y'all ship chat.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
We family, were family, and I don't think he would
have an issue with that because what we talked about
was positive.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
I mean it was positive.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
And he's gonna do all he can to make sure
he's out there, you know, for the Kansas City game.
And I told him to be careful. I told him
to be careful because there's something you don't want to
play with. Salt tissue injuries, hamstring growing calf, what else salt.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Tissue calf is growing at doctor? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I told him what you don't want to do is
don't go out there too early. Don't go out there
too early. See how it feels in practice, you know,
I say, take a Wednesday off, Take Thursday off, don't
even practice this week, practice Friday if you got to,
and then open up and see how you feel. If
you feel like you can open up and you.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Don't feel in a little pinch or no or no
pull tug, Yeah, no, no tug, You're good to go.
You're good to go.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
So I think I think us, for us, the Bengals
in general obviously and t I think we're gonna We're
gonna be all right.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
For some reason.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
You got to think we were two and six under
Zach Taylor. We two and six in Week one, in
the last ten games, two and six week one, So
I'm used to us always having a slow start offensively,
we always start slow. I think we're gonna be all right.
And I bet with us emotionally against New England.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah you did, you did, definitely emotionally.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
So so right now, based on what I saw from
the Pats, I think the I mean the Pats, but
the basically what I saw from the Chiefs. Yes, I
think I think the Chiefs might win this one. As
much as I love my Bengals, I think the Chiefs
might win with with Mike win with might win this one.
If we have Chase playing, we got tea planing. All right,
that changes everything, That changes the dynamic.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, it's uh. And that's the thing because the suddenness
in which you need to move, you need to be able.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
To start, stop transition, get in and out of that
break and guess what gonna you too?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yet?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Man, that was the only thing I say.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Guys, Look, I don't mind you if I if I,
if I break free from you, don't tug me because
I'm pulling the herd up. You make me hurt, you
make me tweak my hamstring and then I'm gonna turn
it right and swing on you. So I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So don't don't don't do that. Was that was my
only rule, O Joe.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I look, okay, guys, hold of me, try to get
off the line to get it because I know they're
gonna come back. Then they let they held the ship
at you, excuse me, they held they held a crap
out of you.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Back in the night.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And man, they ain't called nothing on your bad. It
was a fight out there. But don't tug my jersey
once I break away from you. Don't do that because
you know a lot of times it's to call what
we call it like a sling shot move I did
to a lot of D linemen.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Like they get in front of me, I grab them
and then.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Pulled myself out, launched myself in front of them, and
now I'm in a position where I could block them.
And that's what DB's do. They would tug you and
the next thing you know, they in front of you
to knock the ball down. So that was my only thing,
and it's tough, and I went through something very similar
to what Tea is going through. Signed the contract in
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ninety six. It was a three year deal, made me
the highest paid. Told me that, hey, Shannon, you know
you played like you played. We're gonna tear this contract up.
You'll never get to the third year. We're gon we're
gonna extend it. Right, So ninety seven, I come in
on your ninety seven. I come in, first team All Pro,
eleven hundred yards, lead the team in receiving, ninety eight
(25:46):
go in, led the team in touchdowns, first team All
Pro game. No contract, No, they're not even talking about contract.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Come man.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I tweaked my aduct probably about ten days before we
got a report.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Ojo man, that thing wouldn't get healthy for nothing, And so.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I deal with that all training camp, and I managed
to get through it and I was able to get massages,
got it worked on, and it's starting to feel better.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Get off to a great start over too.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I think I got like in the first three or
four games, I got like twenty three twenty four catches
cook it.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In that fourth game, Ojo Darian Gordon, whose X teammate
of mind. Then what we call teacups. So he catched
me like this, I'm running shallow and he tackled in
my arm. Yeah, broke my collar bone.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Oh, you hit the ground. He put all that pressure
on you all that. They don't take much the ressure
to break the collar bone. And I knew it. I
knew it instantly. I knew it instantly.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I remember saying, I remember sitting up Greek most in
the Greek to come get, come, come Greek. I said,
Greek is my collar ball Greek. He said, what do
you think happened? Sharpe, I said, Greek, I broke it.
He said, you think so? So he put his he
put his hands up.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
On the up under my up under my past. Yes, Sharpe,
you you're like a oh Joe Joe daddy man missed
(27:30):
the rest of the year end up in Baltimore, Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
There's a report that Justin Fields had a toxic relationship
with Nick Foles in the Chicago locker room. According to reports,
the relationship between Foes and Fields basically reached rock bottle
after a situation where Fose were trying to teach something
to feel only to turn around and realized that Phil
wasn't paying attention to anything Phil Fols were saying.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
According to report, Foes and Fields could not stand each
other and wrong with that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
They said, you you in chat in the NFL, listen as.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Much as you want to get along with everybody, think
about where you work. If you work in the corporate
world or wherever you work, you don't get along with
every person that's there.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
That man is in there to take your job.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
They are there to compete. Yeah, yeah, they are you.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
You are there to compete. Everybody's not gonna get along
on the same team. That's just the nature of the business.
At times, I'm better than you. Why are you sitting
there trying to teach me younger, younger player. Listen to
an older veteran who's been somewhat not someone not not really,
I don't want to call him a journeyman, but you know,
playing on a few different teams, he has a Super
Bowl win. So I think that's someone you would want
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to listen to, and especially yeah, especially when it comes
to playing a position to the quarterback, because he knows
what it takes to win, because he has one before
after taking over for.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Carson Wentz who got hurt. You know, but listen, at times,
you're just not gonna like people. It's just the way
it is.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
And I think it's unfortunate that that came down to this.
I think it's unfortunate that it got out. Now that
Justin Fielder is gone and he's in eath in Pittsburgh,
So why now, why now it wasn't an issue, then
why make it an issue now.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
It wasn't such issue.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
But I just I'm disappointed that it got out because
it makes Justin feel like he's uncoachable, like he's he's
unwilling to listen to someone.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
That's trying to help help me out.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
And you know, look, when I was in there and
somebody could give me some valuable information on the mistake
that I made is that I listened to the wrong
person and he gave me the wrong round and I
went there read at full.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Speed, and Coach looked at me like I was a
damn food. But that's my fault. That's my fault. I think.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
The thing is o Joe for me is that when
I I've always said that if I ever gotten a situation,
I said, when I make the team next year, someone
asked me something, I'm gonna be able to give him
the real information because I'm just look at you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
You can't beat me.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I'm gonna teach you everything you know, not everything I know,
so you're never gonna be able to get beat this job.
And I understand, like when Ozzy made the move to
move on the targy, he had to get me up
out of the TARGI was never gonna be able to
beat me, but that dragon right because I knew too much.
I had been I knew all the tricks of the trade.
I knew how to get opened no matter what the
situation was. But my job was to make sure and
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to Rook's credit, he hung on everything that I said.
So I tried to make sure that the locker of
the tight end room was better when I left and
when I found it the same way with Denver. I
take it as a as an elder statesman. Oo, that's
my job to pass that information down. Because I had
some guys that really helped me in the receiver room.
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Mark Jackson, I backed him up. He helped me immensely,
Vance Johnson. Those guys really really helped me when I
was there, and so I really appreciated the older guys
really helping me to try to get me up to
speed because they knew if something would have them, I'm
gonna have to go in and play. Now, what good
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is that you don't help me out? And I got
to go in and play and I don't know what
the hell I'm doing. Right, that's a negative reflection on you.
But I agree with you, Joe.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't like that this got out.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Because at the end of the day, you know who's
gonna look negative on Yeah, because you got a veteran
quarterback that's played a number of years in the league,
and like you said, he did win the Super Bowl,
he did go to a Pro Bowl. He once had
a season with you through twenty seven doves, two interception.
So it's like, man, he tried to help justin field
and just the field doesn't. He's uncoachable. You can't help it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
And it's so funny. It's always it's always the black quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
W stuff like this comes out. You think it only
happy with them. I guarantee you it definitely doesn't. I
think when Brett Farr and Aaron Rodgers were there, I'm
sure they will.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Say the same. Yeah, hey, it it was some of
the same issues, you know, I think.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I think it happens like that when you have two
players at a certain position and you understand that if
you're not playing well the person that's trying to help
him coach, you could eventually be taking your job if
you don't play.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
Up the par and it just it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
The friendly wager between UNLSU teammate Jane Daniel Belik Neighbors
is off.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They placed the friendly wager ten thousand dollars bet which
he whoever would win off the NFL's offensive rookie of
the Year.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Now you'd win the money.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But on Friday after the Neighbors attended rookie camp, the
Giants learning the specific of the NFL's gambling park problem.
Excuse me, the NFL gambling policy and he revealed that
the bet was off. It is unclear if the beat
would have violated the policy, but the two aren't taking
any chances now. The neighbors said, I'm educating now and
I got to be able sports betting and gambling.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
So we're calling the bet off. There's no bet now.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
And no sir, Hey, Malik, neighbors Jane Daniels, the better
still own the better still on, give me the money.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I'm still a part. I'm not a part of the NFL. Well,
I am waiting now mine. Let me take that back,
Let me take that back. Better still on, No matter what,
just put the money in my hand.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Put the money in my hand, and I make a
decision at the end of the season on who deserves it. Malik,
you got to come to playboy, You got to come
to play if you're going to outdo a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
How about a bro I bet your ten grand I
went offensive Rookie of the Year? Okay, bet it's when
you made it public, right, see something? Some things you
just keep telling yourself.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
O Joe.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Well, actually I like it, though I like it because
I don't think he made it public. I think it's
it's a great uh motivating tactic?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Are you in a less motivated by things?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
You?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Let me ask you a question, how many people?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
How many people? How many people knew your goals? You
didn't share them with anybody, did you? And you was
just as motivated the chiebo. You have to understand well, look,
I get it, Ojo, but you have to understand how
the NFL and the gambling. So you don't want you
don't even want to mention of it. Like I said,
O Joe, I bet you're such and such. Bet do
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at the end of the year, how'd you get this?
I ain't gonna say how I got it, but a
good a good friend of mine gifted it to me.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think for one, on the league neighbors part,
I think it was all in good fun.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Look, look friendly, really friendly, friendly competition. And I don't
think I don't think it's against the NFL gambling polish
because they're not gambling on the game.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
They're just it's a friendly.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
Wager between them between themselves based on how they play
their rookie season.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
That's all that.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That's no foul, no harm. Now you know you want
to know what's harm?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Me bribing the referee with a goddamned dollar bill trying
to challenge a riff a call.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, now that that not that. Now that's gambling because I.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Literally took out a dollar and tried to bribe the referee.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Now that I understand them making a friendly wager between themselves,
whether it's public or not, it's no harm, no foul,
and I hope i'd hope, you know, we'd allow those
two to go out it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Man, you know there a lot of bets going on. Man,
that doesn't been best between teammates. I mean not teammates,
but hell, I a teammates free Yeah.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
Yeah, but nobody knows, nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Know, nobody knew. I bet for Williams twenty five thousand,
but I would have more touchdown than.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
He had sacks.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
God leave, man, guess what I broke. I broke my
collar ball week four. He broke he towards Achilles week five.
So we settled. I went to He wanted twelve out,
so I said we could settle. He had one sack,
I had no touches, So we settled.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
What you had to pay?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
He said, I'll tell you what he said, I want
twelve thousand five hundred dollars. Guess what this joker wanting.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
What do you want it? Don't say food, Susan B. Anthony.
Dollars Susan B. Anthony.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars, so I had to
go to the bank and get because he wanted to
inconvenience me. He wanted my pride. Oh, order into the bank.
Could I get twelve thousand, five hundred dollars of Susan B.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Anthony? Do your hard know how hard it is to
get those damn things? So he made it difficult, yes,
and they was heavy as hair.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
Hey, let's go. I like the bet, though, I like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Because that's the way we betted, so like we bet
in the locker room, didn't I didn't want your money,
I want your pride. Yeah, I want five hundred dollars nickels. Man, Shaw,
come on, man, I want you to take your ass
to the bank. Ask the cashier could you get five
hundred dollars in nickels? And when she asked, you say,
mister such and such, why you need five hundred dollars
on nickels. I want you to tell them I lost
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the bet to eighty four. I'll get buffalo knickas I
get one hundred dollars in Buffalo nickels, I get two
hundred and fifty dollars in dimes. That's what I wanted.
I wanted, I wanted what is it, candidate half dollars?
We call them Kenada fifty cent pe. Yeah, I wanted dose, yes,
silver dollars. Yes, I want your pride, oh to everybody
making money.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
So what is it for me? O?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Can you lose a thousand dollars? You're gonna bring me
a thousand dollars cash? No, I don't want a thousand
dollars cash. I want coins, pennies, nickels, dimes, Buffalo nickels,
Susan b Anthony quarters, Canada half dollar. Candidate fifty said
what we call him in the South.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
God, oh Joe.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You know we gambled everything. We had a little poppet
shot basketball thing in the locker room. So we we
betting per Dim. Hey bet everybody got there. Per Dim
lined up the road for Dim. Yes, yes, we bet road.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
For Dim man.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Me and we're getting ready to go to practice being
mahme being my homeboy Burns. He's like, we got so
you know, we've been there for a week So I
went upstairs, got my check, got his.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I said, because we like to bet, don't even look
at it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Put it down. Okay, fine, bet, but what it is?
So I put my check down, He put his down.
We shoot, We gotta go to practice. We come back.
Come on, let's get the ball first. Hey, hold up
me and burn shooting this? He shoot, he missed.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
I make it. So at that point in time, you
get to open the check and see what it is.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
So he opened my check. I opened his.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
He was like fourteen hundred dollars, right, MANE was like
seventy thousand. He said, Oh boy, you'd have been throwing up.
I said, oh, hell yeah, I say, but that's but
that's the chance that you make. You don't look at
the check.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You just bet. Yeah, I'm cool with that. I'll bet it.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Oh we bet everything. Oh we bet everything? Oh bou
ray in between? You have played in between?
Speaker 6 (38:37):
N what's that in between between two?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
You take two decks of cards. I flipped one. I
flipped both cards up. It might be an ace, it
might be a five. You gonna say, he in between.
If it comes in between the ace and the five,
you win. If you get hit on the edges you
get dump you have to pay double. So if it's
an ACE or A five, you pay double. Man, we
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laid on the way to super Bowl after guys, what
pot got in life?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Fifty grand? Thousand?
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, oh, we took super Bowl I took. Oh, hey, Peter,
I'm sorry, I got to give up this information.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Oh but we took.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
We took a We took for super Bowl tickets off
Willie Green fourth super Bowl tickets and ten grand.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Look, I was very generous. Oh, Joe, I want to
do old school car seventy one chavel? Yeah, I said, Man,
give me five grand. I can't, I say, cause you
go home and tell your wife you lost this car.
It's gonna be problems in your snap. Yeah, give me
five grand. We'll call it either. And Mike used to
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tell him, say, look, y'all gambling with eighty four. Do
y'all know how long eighty four have been playing?
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Eighty four? Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I don't really like you guys gambling, because I don't
want you thinking about your lost twenty thousand and thirty
thousand during the game. But if I rock with you,
if I want to big some of money off, y'all
like bro, go ahead, Hey, just give me, give me
five grand.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
We'll call it either. But I wanted nice black chrome rems.
Just got it.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
It probably worked about twenty twenty five. I said, Man,
give me five grand.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
You cool boy.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Hey, for y'all listen, I'll wake.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Whenever the gambling went on, locker room training camp. We
don't break.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Man.
Speaker 6 (40:42):
I'm man.
Speaker 4 (40:43):
You know I ain't around none of that, bro, I
ain't spending money.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Came about, Oh Joe, you gonna ask anybody that played
in Denver from nineteen from nineteen ninety five ninety six,
all the way they closed it down when I left,
when I came back from there.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
That's what we gamble.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We played cards, we wrote roll dice, they play video game.
We drank smoke, all that with a club.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
That's how it came to be.
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Man, I don't see. I don't see how y'all do that.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Man, And people in the chat that gamble, people just
in general, like even when y'all was playing, even former
teammates of mind they was there. There's such an excitement
and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble.
Here from and me being from Miami watching people gamble,
playing spades, playing playing tunk, playing get like me with
the quarters that it was in high school, watching watching
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the dope boys play Sea low. Excuse me, I hate
I hate to say that word, but watching.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
The boys se lo like, what are we doing?
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything
where I can't control it. Like if I'm losing money,
I want to be in control of it. I don't
want any outside variations of what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
It caused me to lose my money.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
And then I remember going I went to the casino
with Rail and I'm talking to the man saying, sir,
are y'all gonna stop the man from continuing to gamble
that much money at the high roller table?
Speaker 6 (42:11):
Why are you allowing him.
Speaker 8 (42:12):
To do this?
Speaker 6 (42:14):
That's what we do here?
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Ye oh no, I gotta have we gambling.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Why why do you think we don't have no windows?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
What the you means? What the windows have to do anything?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
And their clocks on the wall because they want you
to lose track of time and they pumping in fresh oxygen.
Speaker 6 (42:30):
List I learned all this just not too long ago.
With that, when I was in Vegas for f one.
You know, I'm like many'll oh Joe, we gamble.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, every night, every There was not one night in
Denver when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble. Oh, Joe,
we was going to bed like we gotta be like,
we got practice at nine. We ain't going to bed
till like two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
And y'all going to practice on four five hours of sleep.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
And the last night we step up the whole night
like our crew that normally, Oh, we gotta you gotta
stey up the whole night. Oh oh we had a
black Hey, we had a blast. Oh and the last
and the last night the rookiees. Yeah, got to give
them o joke.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
You got you got them? Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Look here we go to the store. We get like
twenty five pounds of flour. We get like eight nine
ten bottles of syrup. We cut the pillows open, right,
we got the tar and feather.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
Oh not the tar feather, Yeah, extinguish.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Oh you know how hard you're not hard that is
to get off?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I do know.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Oh no, think about how many guys came with Ben
with Ben with pillow feathers in their head and only
stuck on their back and on the neck.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
Hey cause you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey,
I get the key, I get the math key.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
In their sleep five stewish him down, booking up out
of there. Oh, we did some damage, but you know
what Mike said, Hey, hey, I don't normally do this,
but I know, you know, probably eighty four had something
to do with it.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
And this team or if there's some stuff popped off,
they already know. Fright, team building.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
We got this cover. Oh we that dorm was a mess. Yes, yes,
because he got together them. Oo.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
It's a part of it. We the Ron Gold.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
That's what I missed, O Joe. See, that's what I missed,
the fun, That's what I missed. The talent show, like
we did, y'all have a talent show, like the rookies
had to put on the talent show.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
No, but hey, listen that that hard knock y'all had.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yes, so we did that talent show.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Boy when when Buddy did ray Lewis and Buddy did
and uh, Buddy did you?
Speaker 6 (45:12):
I was in tears.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
I'm talking about in tears, crying.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Good that we have we have.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
We had a talent show, we have a Telor show
in uh in Denver. But I you know, like I said,
I I ain't really know like I said, I mean,
when I was in college, we didn't really do the
stuff like like like rookie stuff hazing.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
They ain't cutting nobody hair and stuff like that. I mean,
I'm trying to think what.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
We did to the rookies cause they got me. I mean,
it was it was all all fun. Like I said,
I don't want to let nobody cut my hair, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
And I ain't.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
We wasn't doing anything to the meaning body. We want
to go cut your hairs and boobies just like that.
But I'm sure there was some things that we did,
but that was all a part of it. That's what
I missed. That's what I missed. If they could just
let me and I was like Mike, if I could
just go back, I ain't want to do meetings no more.
That's what really got me out of the league, the meetings.
I said, Mike, just let me practice, let me show
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up to practice, Let me playing the games. Your boy,
good boy, good, I would say, But uh, oh, Joe,
those to the days, bro, I wish I could get
those back.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I wish I could do that. Obviously I couldn't play anymore, but.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I just want to go hang around the team, just
go had not Now I'm just letting my guys what
I was like after I left, like three or four years.
I just want to go back because a lot of
the guys that I played with were still playing. Man,
I said, Man, I wish I could just go back there.
They're like sharp, Man, it ain't the same without you
because you, oh Joe, you know, I can't it live now?
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (46:33):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I guess it's even to attack the messenger instead of
digest the message.
Speaker 9 (46:48):
Why do players because sometimes they wrong with the criticism.
Sometimes the criticism is not warranted. Sometimes you criticizing based
off your insecurities.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Don't do that. Yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 9 (47:01):
Yeah, criticize, criticized, but not based off what you saying
you would have done, because you don't have the ability
to do with that would have been done. So that's
my problem, right criticism.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
I look at it like this, when before this social
media blew up time, what we would ask of people
that was critiquing us, Okay, did you play?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
They all these players.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Now is like they wanted someone that actually played the game,
that had an intimate knowledge of the game, to know
what it's like to be in the locker room, to
know what it's like to be in the toddle, to
know what it be like in the feel and feel that. Okay,
so now, and then when they got that, they said, well,
you didn't win anything. So now when I critique a player,
not only did I win at the highest level, I
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won multiple times. Not only did I win multiple times,
I got the ultimate validation by being selected in camp.
So now would it, Oh, you jealous? You mad because
you didn't make as much money. I made a damn
lot of money for tight ends when I played time
change Inflation. Okay, guys are making money. I get nothing.
You asked me to give you my honest assessment. When
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I give it to you, you don't like it because
I critique your favorite play.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Amen. So I don't understand how.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
We I think I think it's a different era when
a different era, and I think it's more so delivery.
I think delivery is very very important, and the way
we are critical and we analyze players, it will be
seen regards to how you try to do it, it
will be seen as hate because there's really no way
to criticize a player without him feeling a certain way
about it.
Speaker 6 (48:33):
And again, I talk with you.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
We talk about this all the time, Prime, and they
get on me a lot about not being able to
be critical of players when they don't play the way
they should.
Speaker 4 (48:43):
And I always go back from a.
Speaker 5 (48:45):
Point of view of knowing what it's like to be
them now opposed to being on the other side with
the media. Now, it's very difficult for me to say
he did A, B and C. But I'd rather say
I'd rather talk about D, E and F on what
he can do to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I don't even want to focus on the negative. I
want to I don't want to be the problem. I
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want to tell you what the solution is so you
don't play like that again.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I like, I like, that's what but that's not what
just But but that's not what happened. You got a
critique on what you saw, not what you think. You're
gonna get down.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
The road.
Speaker 9 (49:18):
That he's not like you know, Chad, They're gonna do that.
He ain't gonna critique nobody. He ain't you know, Chad,
he ain't be like that, Chad.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Chad. Chad not want to be because he is. Chad
is a good dude, and he he want to be loved.
He just want to be Hell. You want to be
what hell? I just want to be hell.
Speaker 6 (49:41):
I like criticism.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 6 (49:43):
Think about when I played I love.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I want you to hate.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
I want you to talk trash.
Speaker 5 (49:50):
I want you to say bad things about me like
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the saying bad stuff like
it's like it's dry. It lights somewhat of a fire,
you know. And that's why to me, I don't understand
why players care what the media says that should motivate you.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
You know, I like that.
Speaker 9 (50:08):
You can't expect people to be where you are. That's
what I had to learn as a coach years ago.
You can't expect people to be you. You can't expect
people to feel like you, to think like you, to
interpret things like you, to to to even fathom things
like you.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They ain't built like that. Check out, but make one
of you. Man.
Speaker 6 (50:25):
We at the highest level. It's the NFL, though, and
you know, think about.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Let me finish.
Speaker 6 (50:32):
Let me get where I'm going to even get to the.
Speaker 5 (50:35):
Pinnacle of your childhood dream. You've had to be through
some ship, You've had to go through some stuff, So
anything being said in and or about you shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Even bother you.
Speaker 9 (50:46):
We just been talking about new audition. I said you
about Brown, and I said he probably was.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Prime.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
Don't do that.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
I was with you that, me and you.
Speaker 6 (50:54):
I was with you at nineteen ninety two, me and you.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Lie. But anyway, that's a lie.
Speaker 1 (51:02):
But anyway, yo, guys, we've heard about pre We've heard
about your pregame rituals, but what about your post game rituals?
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Did you have anything that you did time? Did you
have anything?
Speaker 9 (51:13):
I always had migraines, Always had migraines, So controlling the
migraine from being up and being fired up and just
wanted to go get it that calming down period was tough.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
So I always had migraines.
Speaker 9 (51:27):
So on the plane ride back home, they was medicating
me and trying to get me stuff and ice everywhere.
I couldn't never do nothing at the games, so I
always went to the crib straight homeship.
Speaker 5 (51:38):
My routine, after my routine, after every game in Cincinnati
was always the same, win or lose, I'm going to
j Alexander's in Hyde Park. I have a celebratory cigar.
Win or lose, obviously forgetting out of game healthy.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
And that was it.
Speaker 5 (51:52):
I did the same thing every every after every game
for a decade straight. And if the people, if Core
Britt from Jay Alexander sees this, if y'all don't bring
back them, goddamn honey butter biscuits.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
I know some honey butter croissants. Oh man, what.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
I normally just went home, I go get something occasionally
something was it something you would got they want something
that that that that that it was it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It wasn't nothing going on. My body was, man, you know,
I was leaning going on time.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
It wasn't no fix going on. I would I wasn't
gonna be able to do nothing of locked up on
them and then you got it. I'd have to get
an I V out like this there, so no we
Occasionally I would go, we'd go out the guys, we'd
go get something to eat.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
But most of the time I would call ahead get
an order.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
Black There's this restaurant called Black Eyed p I would
call ahead, get chicken, rice, broccoli, corn, two two week rolls,
and and and and and eliminated is eating.
Speaker 4 (53:00):
Man, I have a quick prime. Did you eat healthy
when you play? No?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Thank you, man, you so I was so ignorant in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (53:07):
I had soul food catered for lunch for everybody, for
the whole team. Man, you collar greens and rice and
black eyed baked chicken. We din't eat it for lunch.
Didn't go out there the practice. I was like, man,
we all lovest that.
Speaker 6 (53:19):
Man, Man, thank you know what?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
But all I would do, y'all eat that. I'm going
to I appreciate that.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
I'm glad I did because I've been trying. I've been
telling people for thirty some years. They don't listen to me.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
No I did.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
I wish I had it, though I wish I had it.
I wish I had always stayed in shap but I
didn't eat right right.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
I didn't eat right either, and I always stayed in shape.
Speaker 9 (53:42):
So but you you you you a freak genetically dog
you you could eat whatever you want. You still gonna
stay lean.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
But but you know I still but I worked like
a mad man. I'm still working like a mad man.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I ain't got you just you're gonna always be lean.
That's your jeans, that's just you.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
You never and you you don't. You don't have the
disposition to put on away. You're not gonna be two fifty.
You're not gonna be three hundred, Joe. That's not your
body frame. Look out marriage twenty. You see how your shoulders.
You don't him I'm not now, I'm two twenty. What
are you talking about now?
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Look, No, you've never been. You never did two hundred
in your life. Hey, yeah, I'm too twenty right now,
You've never been. You've never been. You know, I don't
think you've ever hit two hundred in your life.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Hey, No, never hell Hey hey, Prad, you know how
they used to have in the NFL experience.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
They had that jersey and the little kid go stick
the head of that bag and you see little body Hagar.
That's what rip though. He always been read it grip now,
I'm ripping. You've always been. You've always been that way.
Speaker 6 (54:46):
Ye don't don't don't play.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
I won't say this. My brother and I have never
had a fight. Now.
Speaker 8 (54:53):
He used to cheat and I used to beat him down,
but we never had a fight. The only time my
brother told me what he wasn't going to do was
that he wasn't going to go to Savannah State College.
And I said, that's good, because I'm on the way.
I'm leaving Columbia. I was at school at South Carolina.
(55:14):
I'm leaving, bro, You're not going to the Army. That's
not going to happen. The only time he and I
ever had a disagreement. I have never, in my fifty
nine years on this earth, tried to be his father.
But we were always taught that if you have to
look past your own dinner table to find a role model,
(55:36):
there's something going on in your home. I only wanted
him Bobby Dandridge, his nickname was mister Clutch. We had
Frank o'harris and Tony Dorset. I wanted him to look
(55:57):
at his own dinner table and be like, remember, it's
the shepherd and the sheep thing. I never told him
what to do. I never tried to instruct him. I
never led him. I lived my life. But the wonderful thing,
and for those of you who have kids, you know this.
The wonderful thing is he was watching and I am
(56:21):
so proud. I'm proud of that guy right there, because
I'm proud of Chad because the perception the persona and
who he really is is actually two totally different people.
You don't realize how hard it is for him to
come out here and do that. That ain't who he is,
(56:42):
That is not who he is. I'm ruining it for
you and.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
For him to.
Speaker 8 (56:47):
He didn't go through anything. He's led by a higher
power that put him where he.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Wanted to be.
Speaker 8 (56:54):
And what he went through on TV, he needed to
go through that so he could get here. And sometimes
many many times in a family, you go through things
that are hurtful. But he had to go through that
to get to hear and he had to be here
(57:17):
to get him. And those two together are doing some
really good stuff. They're fun to watch. They they talk
about really good things. Not the antal part, but they
talk about really good things. And I'm very proud of
both of them. When we did the same things. When
(57:39):
we both played football, we could talk football. When we
both did TV, we could talk TV. I played golf,
he doesn't. So we don't have anything in common right now,
but we can still find out how each one of
us how we're doing. And I'm very proud of how
he handled the Skip situation. He almost all most lost it.
(58:03):
The the the Afro American almost came out. I know
you saw it when the glasses went on the table, Stap,
I'm in the Afrot Hall of Fame. I was like,
I said to myself, that is the end of the
Sharps on TV. That's it, because I knew what was
(58:28):
gonna come next. And I was like, Skip, I hope
you can fight, But no, I say that in jest.
I never did. I never thought he would lose control.
I was really shocked that he yelled and screamed. But
he yelled and screamed not because of what Skip said.
He yelled and screamed because he was so hurt that
(58:48):
he's someone he liked and trusted would say or do
that to him, and he would never say this.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
I'm not on TV.
Speaker 8 (58:57):
I don't do anyone else's media at all except PGA
Tour Golf. I go on their show, but I don't
do anybody else. That's because you can't ask me about him,
because I'm not going to give you anything about him.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Do I like his success?
Speaker 8 (59:16):
You're gonna have to use your own imagination. Do I
think he is doing the right thing. You're gonna have
to use your imagination. I do not talk about him.
Everybody goes when you're gonna be on Club Shay Shap,
I was like.
Speaker 2 (59:32):
I was first.
Speaker 8 (59:35):
Before it became Club Shashee and Chad they were famous.
I went on then because I was like, I see
where this train going, and this is way before Cat William.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
I do not want to be anywhere near where this
thing's going.
Speaker 8 (59:51):
So Club Shay and Nightcap, I can say this, this
is probably the last time you will see me publicly
because they're going in a totally different stratosphere. And I
want to thank Cam Newton. I told Cam backstage I
am very impressed by him because they are a lot alike.
(01:00:15):
And you have to admit Cam is the largest human
being you've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Dude. Its gigantic.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You say you were disappointed that your former coach was there.
When you got there, y'all came in together. If I'm
not mistaken, Ron Rivera didn't call you when he was
in Washington. Why did that upset you so much? That
was my dog, Like we've been through so much. I
always hear his voice on my head.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah, kiddo, you know man that, like I say this respectfully,
he raised me and I raised him.
Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
He was a rookie head coach, I was a player.
I was not going to allow him to fail in Carolina,
not under my watch, because there's an oath and as
it's just in us as athletes, that when somebody takes
a chance on you, no matter what round it is,
you feel obligated to give because they've no matter what
(01:01:22):
you want to say, they've allowed you the opportunity to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Take care of your bloodline.
Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
So when what was happened or what had happened in
Carolina with me and coach Vera, we had numerous talks
and discussions about the game of football and about life.
So when I was going through the transition of being
out of Carolina, I was like, yo, at least I
was damn coaching and it wasn't just him.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
See that's the thing.
Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
I can't blame a head coach because he may not
have picking power.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
But Marty Hernie the same thing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
He was.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
He drafted me right he was in DC and he
said no.
Speaker 7 (01:02:09):
It's I'm gonna take it a step further. The head
trainer that they had, Ryan Vermilion, was there nobody.
Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
So me going through this whole resurgence, like yo, like damn.
Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
I kept asking my agent.
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I'm like, Yo, they ain't call Washington, ain't called m
know what's going on? So maybe you weren't as close
as you previously thought.
Speaker 7 (01:02:34):
Man, I'm an action person, bro, I'm an action person,
and I teach my children this.
Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Man.
Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
I could tell you anything, but if I don't prove
on a day to day basis that I.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Love what I showed you, Oh, that don't mean nothing
to me. Have you had a conversation with him? Have
you spoken to him? No, sir, not like we said now,
it's not no beef.
Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
And I don't want nobody to kind of take what
I'm saying is that I'm angry because there was a
business decision that has to be and I was and
I knew I was coming off a shoulder injury. Is
that that's all it was. It was like for me
to just say, hey, kiddo, how you doing, Hey, how
you feeling? Though, let's come up here for a physical
(01:03:15):
let me really a deep That's that's the relationship we had.
And it was the things And I told Coach r Vera,
I was like, Yo, this was in Carolina. I was like,
in any short yarded situation, coach, give me the fucking ball,
the volume
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