Nightcap - Hour 1: Ja Morant New gestures, Denver fires head coach, Pat Bev talks NBA drama

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best hoops stories of the week, including Ja Morant’s new hand grenade gesture, the Nuggets firing head coach Mike Malone & GM, Patrick Beverly joins talks NBA drama, & much more!

04:16 - Denver fires GM & head coach
11:30 - Pat Bev Talks Ja Morant, NBA Drama & More!
54:00 - Florida wins NCAA Championship
1:05:30 - Dan Hurley regrets remarks

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Malone and the general manager, Calvin Booths, was terminated. Ed
Fear reported that the tension had been brewing between Booth
and Malone for quite some time, so so much source
that the source described it as a cold war. Denver
had lost fourth straight and was just eleven and thirteen.
Since the All Star Break, players such as Yoke have
displayed frustration on the sideline, vibes have been low, according

(03:09):
to a source. There's another report that said Westbrook's minutes
were a part of the riff. Is reported that Booth
was questioning, bro, why are you playing Westbrook when you
should be played? I forget the younger guy's name.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
That beast Picket. Yep, yep, yep. That's it.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
And so you look at yo, he's given you forty five,
thirteen and ten and they lost all three. He gave
you a sixty point triple double, a forty point triple double,
and he was gonna assist short of a triple double
on the thirty eight point game. So he gave you
forty five, thirteen and ten over three games, man.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
And they lost all three. Yeas, my thing is this,
it goes back to what we were talking about Dallas. Right.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't think this is a problem that was just
been brewing this year. I think the problem was lost
after they won the championship and they didn't pay Bruce Brown.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Right, you lose, you lose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I wouldn't say a defensive I wouldn't say he was
a hard and soul, but you lose a little grit,
right Yeah, if things get hard, you need a little
bit more grit.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Okay. Cool.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
They was able to sustain that, right. Then the following
year they came up short. They lost to Minnesota, and
actually the year before, Bruce Brown had a stellar US.
He got paid off that Minnesota series. Then coming in
free agency. You lose Caldwell, Pope, right, you talk about
now you're the lost and as a team you need
the locker room. The locker room is the most important, right,
The culture is the most important. And the ability to

(04:40):
win games and the real games is not based on
the star players. It's basically on the culture of your team.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
That's what the role. So you lose these two guys, right, you.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Try to fill a void with Chris Brown, You try
to fill a boyd with Watson, and you try with
these young guys. Pick it right, and then you want
to go get Russ Right, you're surprised it doesn't work
now and now you have to point blame at somebody.
You're talking about they beat us three to one in
the bubble. We were supposed to play the UK. You

(05:11):
know that team we had, We were supposed to be
the one out Bakers yep, y'all had to beat us
three one. So I'm able to see this this team
up close and personal. I'm able to see this coach
up closer personal, right, Elie coach. I honestly think he
overachieved in Denver, over achieved and to be able to

(05:32):
come down and implement your system, right, have a two
time MVP that's selfless. Usually the m VP's like, no,
give me the rock. I'm shooting a faded away. How
I'm doing this? I'm talking about selfless MVP, right, And
you don't make the moves you're suposed to making free
agency and you wanted to write your team it's not
the same team.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
They baffles me. It actually baffles me. Pat.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I was wondering, did you hear what James Harden said
the reason why they're having success? He says, well, he
said person He said, he said personnel. There are the
only two guys that's not there. And I don't know
what he would trying. What was he trying to say?
Because he said the only thing is personnel, I don't

(06:14):
need to say anything.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
The thing was like everyone knows their roles, right and
as a and as a player, who's you know?

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I didn't have a cup of tea.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I spent twelve thirteen years in the NBA, right, So
like knowing your role and for me to be, you know,
the ultimate role player, right? Knowing your role helps everybody
else out around out, don't right? Not only do you
know your role now you can thrive in your role? Correct, Okay, cool,
I know.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I know.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
My role on this team is some things rebound and
if I get it, you know, I get it in
the corner, I'm gonna shoot it.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
That's my role.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I'm gonna stay in my role. Now I'm gonna thrive
in my role. Right, He had guys over there, obviously,
the Paul George, you can name the Paul George, Russell Westbrook,
the PJ Tucker. Remember PJ Tucker was boneshil and all
so up. Yeah, they went through that whole for Tobacco
with Tyloo.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
They were all in there. They were forget those guys.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Also, all that makes the third again talked about it's
hard to win games like that. Man, you got so much,
you got so much bad going around. You can't basketball
how because you got James hard. Look, it seems to
be like James Harden. Kawhi is back, healthy, Kawhi's back healthy,

(07:36):
Box is playing unbelievable. I still magic, my guy. I
love magic, magic without his mind for traving Mike Muscala
for bots.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Can you imagine Box with Lebron and Luca.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Or with a D and Broun because now now Luca,
now a D could.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Have slid to the four like he wanted to play.
Leave Zube at the five.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Can you imagine what that would I don't even want
let's let's let's not know.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
I was there when we traded for Big Zoo. I
was there and Man probably getting his big center there.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
I mean, what are you from, man? Somebody from man?
He from overseas?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Pat man, I break a man, Big Sue Man had
a box haircut. Yeah, I got him right on. Hey, man,
put some swag on you, ma'am. Yeah, I'm bugging your shirt.
It can chest south.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
I got Zue right top, top four center in the
NBA right now.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
He played like it. I mean he's had a thirty
twenty game or twenty twenty game. Zube is playing and
guess what he can get his points. And you don't
run that one play for it, not one. They don't say, Zude,
go down there? What hand you want when you want
to left? Get on the right block. I'm gonna throw
it here. Go down to the left. I'm gonna throw
it there. All he does, hey, James Harden layoff? Oh

(08:55):
he get it off the rim, put it back. I'm
not running anything for him. So now I get James
Harden do what you do, Kawhi, do what you do.
Like you said, know your role, oh cho new every game,
I'm number one receiver. I'm gonna get my catches. I'm
gonna get my ten targets. Now, Oh jo, ain't got
a fake.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
I I ain't. Oh hold on, I ain't got but
one target.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, the next three quarters, I'm gonna get at least
three a quarter, maybe four. So when you know your role,
like you said, Pat, when you know your role, you
can thrive. And the simpler you keep it, you don't
have to think. I can just let my athletic ability
take over. I take my athletic ability over anybody this
play I'm playing.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
And that's what anything right, that's what life right.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And the minutes you start to merge to the left lane,
you know that ain't your lanes stuff styll yoused to
start to hit that little gravel, no standing, young man.
You try to merge in the right lane, you hit
that horn. No man, somebody behind you, real quick, stay lane,
staying your lane.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Good things happen, Good things happen. All right, Pat, this
is how I'm gonna need your experts on.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Tell him this one, y'all threw a grenade at the
crowd the other night. You know, he he can't, he can't.
He can't do that anymore. He can't do it. If
you was in the locker room with y'all, what what
what what would you what would you sit down to
talk to the young brother.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I wouldn't tell you.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I wouldn't try to write because I was in the
locker room and Anthony edwens too, right, So my my
job in the locker room is, man, Look, I ain't
here trying to be your daddy, but I'm gonna try
to be a brother.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
You know, these folks on you right, you hot right now?
You just got out, he just got out. Yeah, you
gotta check in everything off the theay, off that corner.
Them folks, they're looking for you. Yeah, calm down, tread lightly,

(10:57):
just do that for about six months.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Them folks go give your head.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Thing you want.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
You can keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Not him, I mean, And a lot of times fasts
we hear people that's not in that position. Let that
man be him, let that man live his life. Well
that's why you're not in that position. Because I don't
care what anybody says. There are certain things that you
have to do, no matter who you are or how

(11:25):
much how big you are.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
It is all but my thing is I hope it's not.
I hope it's not gonna be a lingering thing. That's
my thing. I hope it don't get to a point
where we told you so. Fact, they did it.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
They did it to thousands, right, they did it to
Alan Iverson. You're talking about a trend setter. You're talking
about somebody who literally changed the game right out of that,
not because of no no girls or no a I
wasn't even doing that. They got a mind of that
because I practice, do you practice? They made a thing,

(12:04):
a big thing and got him out of that. So
that's my fear and everything, Right, you don't want to
get to a point where you're such a big distraction
that it's a negative kind of tutor that comes to
you and around that organization, you know, So you just
don't want you, especially his age, and especially what's going
around now, right right, especially.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
What's going around now, especially what's going around.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
In Memphis in these inner cities who need who need
that face, they need job, right because he's their coaching, right,
So if he can like turn that light right and
just turn it the other way right. And I ain't
telling you to go out there and pray to the
gods and do all that. I'm telling you to be yourself,
be a basketball player, be swaggy, do your dad, my son,

(12:47):
do the gritted so they taking some type of positive
from it. My thing is that's just use that big
old light, that big old platform.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
You got job, and that's just use it in another way.
That's all.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, let me ask you a question, how surprised would
you be if Memphis moved y'all in the That's the
next I mean, that's that's I wouldn't say that's gonna
happen now, but that's usually the next steps. You see
a coach leeve right, anytime if we're in the locker room,
we see a coach get fired with my players get
to look the linet, nobody next man, then it becomes

(13:21):
player Listen.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you why
I have my sources in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna disclose those sources because
they probably wouldn't tell me anything else at this point.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And Pat and you know I could.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Tell you know I can see y'all coming down here,
coming down here to Miami.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
I ain't gonna tell you who told me, and I'm
not telling you. I'm not telling you what I heard.
I'm telling you what I know. So if it does
happen to have happened, you know later on in the future,
you just know you heard it from me first.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, I'm not I don't know if y'all got anything
that they won't y'all gonna trade them. Bam, y'all gonna
trade them Tyler Hero because that's the only pieces that
y'all got. They're not gonna give you your best player.
You gotta give them something comparable.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
When we're we're across that dridge when we get there.
But I'm just I'm just telling you what I know.
That's it. Because the report how.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Nico Harris, Harris Harrison, Harris Harris Harrison, he reached out
to Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
And man, is he face absolutely not? He reached he
reached out to Milwaukee, is y'all? So?

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, But at that point in time, he was like,
hold on, we're probably doing too much calling around this go.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
So now, so dowpad Ben, we got a hone in.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Okay, our next our next move gotta be our best move.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Hey uh, he called l A.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Rob.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Hey man, how you doing? Yeah, man, I'm good. What
you think? Well, you think we can get the Davids
off you for a loop?

Speaker 5 (15:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
The language was different. The language had to be like this.
He uh ring ring ring, what's up?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah? Hey, hey, Pat, what's going on? I'm good? Check
it out.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I got something for you. I'm about to give you
a ferrari. You give me back a bag of potatoes?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, matter of fact you could. Matter of fact, I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Gonna go liu to you a bag of potato with
the hole in the bottom because you're giving me damaged goods.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
At least you could have said you're giving me damaged goods. Man,
I got my goods. I couldn't even eat my goods.
I can't play my goods. I can't cook my goods.
My goods aren't available, right, dang damn. But I see
you in l A you driving ferrari, aren't you? You're
doing me like this? Dawn? Yeah, and now the ain't
looking at me crazy time about five me?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
No, no, no, no, we ain't gonna do that. Nah,
we ain't gonna do that, not here, not here, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But you know what in order, because here's the thing,
there are certain people you don't even call and ask about.
You're not even calling Boston asking about Jason Tatum. You're
not even there's certain you not I mean free. There
are certain people you won't even call. So the meyre
of fact, Rob prot said, hold on, you would really

(16:31):
consider trying Luca.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Come cause Rob is taking.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Like hold on, you not called you not calling Golden
State about no Steff, You not calling OK.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
See about you as the phone.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You not even you not calling them about yoga. There's
something you didn't even pick up the phone to call.
There's some things like we were growing up, you wouldn't ask.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Your mom, dadd or grandma. I wouldn't even bother Already.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Every time listen you get you getting ready to go
in the store with your mama. Matter of fact, she
tells you before you even get out of the car.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
When we get in here, don't you ask for nothing?
You're asking nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Don't ask for nothing. And you better not push that
bugget up on my damn heels either, for real.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I mean that that's you don't hey, hey, oh Joe,
you know we pushing the and all of a sudden, I.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Did not tell you you hit that. You hit that? Lord,
calve that Achilles.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, matter fact, hold on, my grandma, listen, I'll never
forget you know about zays heard the zas before. Oh yeah, Pat,
I done ran into my grandma, into a kid's not
paying attention, pushing the buggy, and she just stopped abruptly
in front of me, And I had no idea, ran
into the back of her and she ain't even look

(17:56):
back at me.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
She just.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
Cool swim without even looking back. Because you knew exactly
what after that? All right, right upside the head, boy,
that's memories right there.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Brock.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, you can't ask for nothing, like, don't ask for nothing?
Were going here him, so on, so on? Hey, how
did he look't get your I didn't get your feelings
on this because you know you you you you you.
The way you handled this was very very very perfect.
The h you had two friends kind of get into
it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
How that feel who that lebron is? And I know
that puts you on a little pickling man, I know
that puts you on a pickle. Bad bad look here
stephen A and stephen A.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Lebron felt that stephen A crossed the line because he
questioned him as a father. You're not questioning Brownie's skills.
You're not questioning my skills. You're questioned and saying I'm
doing damage to my son by having him play bro
He's the fifty fifth player.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
I mean, there's only there's only six.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You play a selected They make it seem like they
took Bronnie at the lottery. And if I'm not in plus,
you have to understand the man had a major medical issue.
Give him some time to recover from that. Now if
in three years he's still mailing around, okay, it is
what it is. Maybe he's a career g leaguer, maybe

(19:21):
he's a serviceable role player. But for me, once it
tells me a lot for Lebron to do what he did,
because Lebron has swallowed a lot of stuff for twenty
two years. For him to approach him at a public
setting during the timeout of a basketball game, lets you
know just how upset he was.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
He said what he said, steven A said he understood. Cool.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, the problem that I had with steven and and
I told Steven A this bro. You should have left
that alone once you say you understood it. But when
you went made the rounds and you said what you
said on gils Arena and you went the other platform
and then like you added yes to the story, that's
where That's why I was out on it. I mean,
Steven and my guy, we talk about a lot of stuff,

(20:08):
not just you know he first take stuff. We talk
about a lot of stuff. And you know he's helped me,
gave me, giving me some good advice. And I like
to think I've given him something. I just wish whatever
happened that Friday night or whatever it was, that we
made a.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Good case on our on our part, we made a
good case. People should be judged case scenario.

Speaker 7 (20:31):
Right, right, talk about the talent right, talk about me
not being good and talk about like criticized me, right,
But don't criticize me because of who my dad is.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Like you say, I'm fifty fifth pick.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Ain't nobody talking about these two buma ass motherfuckers that
was number one and number two.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Exactly. That's losing every game we don't even know.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Look, we talk about Brownie so much, people forget that
he was the fifty fifth pick. People forget who the
first three picks were. Mmm, Hell, I couldn't tell you.
I mean hardly end of the picks. My point exactly,
you feel me so like when you when you're dealing
with that, right, and and and and and One thing
I liked with about the James family the way they
take the criticism is absolutely everybody came.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Everybody built for that. Remarkable.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
Yeah, but you also, pat you know, you've got to understand,
you got to understand how long they've been in it,
how long they've been there.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
So really, after this, after this long, you got to
think the pressure has been on. Lebron says, what coming
out of high school?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I said he was jud heights everybody he burst on
the scene when they put him on covered on Sports Illustrated,
said that chosen one.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
So he's forty, he's forty now. He was sixteen or
seventeen then. So that's been twenty three, twenty four years
for damn near a quarter century.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
He's been in the public eye. Yeah, so he.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
And so it's just like it's just like any parent,
if you're in a situation and you can help your child,
who doesn't We see these we see these CEOs and
presidents and the ownly companies. What did Jerry do all
of his kids? Ain't nobody say nothing? Well, Steven ain't qualified,
Charlotte ain't qualified.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah. As a parent, that's what you do.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
You try to put your kid in the best situation
seen and then it's up to him to make the
both the best of the situation that we got.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
We got the blueprint from them.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's what we got, the blue Oh man, I see
the CEOs they're doing this now. Okay, man, this person
deserved this job. If they go hire, they gonna hire
a cut cuzzle over here, cuzz away and really did numb?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
They still go high? Okay, cool, We tiled all that,
and when.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let us do the same thing, right, I mean collectively
longevity you talk about legacy wise, you have to get
the first, the mom a lot of credit because it
starts with her, and the trickles all the way down
right to Missavant, It trickles all the way down.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
You have to give that family a lot of credit.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
They've they've done a lot, and to steal every time
you see them for them to look so so royal, so.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Like with so much royalty and handled themselves.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Class is really impressive, especially coming from the black culture,
especially coming from the black coachure.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
And this is how I know this, how I know
not only did James class, the James family is class personified,
but Lebron James well pat because you think about his accolades,
his achievements, and what he's been able to do since
coming out of high school, the pressure being on him,
him being able to take it all this time, and
reaching a milestone of being the highest scoring NBA player

(23:42):
of all time, and the fact that when he hit
that fifty thousand points, you know, and whatever game that was.
I just want to show you because the rest of
the chat has seen it, some of some other some
of the other people that have been on here be
able to see uncles been able to see it.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Lebron gifted me the fifty thousand ball, the fifty thousand
point ball, and I just going to show it to you.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Just check that out.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
You sure, Yeah, you know, I was, I was. I
was on the legers when that game happen. Yeah, this
is the ball right here. You'll turn around a little bit. No,
that ain't it. No, No, that ain't it. I know,
I haven't played with that ball. I haven't playing with
the ball I'm scoring to that game. That ain't the

(24:25):
ball I scored with. That ain't the ball. What's going
on with you? Lou Wheels and Brandon Jennings.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
You posted today that you kick their ass in the
one on one tournament, Lou William, Jeff Tige, Brandon Jennings
to every one of the boat fos, No, you get
on the court with me, and I'm gonna dog.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Y'all what you what you say? Uh?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Low five high five patent five.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Were talking about, Hey, no, but soon you got to understand, like, uh,
for me, my role coming to the NBA was very different.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Right, I've been on the team with Ty Lawson.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Right, I've been on the team with Lou will Right,
I've been I played against Brandon James. So five on
five segment is very different than the one on one
seg Right, Hey, I'm able to practice against these guys
and I'm the guy that man I can't shoot anyway.
I gotta play defense all the time. Because I got
to say, y'all asked anyway, So okay, so they know

(25:24):
what I bring to the table, like you know that
guy in practice that no matter you suit up with you.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Man, he gonna get me hell every single day, he
ain't gonna let.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Up right right or if y'all in my case, y'all
probably was the guy that didn't let up on people
know what I'm saying. So that's how it is with
me in practice. So like I know, coming in in
the door, like one on one in the door with me,
like like with me, I'm a different animal, Like I
don't stop chewing.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
I keep going. I keep going, I keep going. I
won't bone. I don't want flesh, I won't bone. I
want media, I want gristle.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I'm in veins like i'm I'm Yeah, I get wild
when I'm in that cage.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
You know. I like that. I like that.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Yeah, Hey, I got a question. Since you really got
that kind you got that? In fact, you got that
obviously most most of us we call it that dog mentality.
It's not something that's taught. It's already in you. You
already got that. So I'm just curious you talk about
playing them boys if you are not able to play
one on one, knowing that we both kind of think
alike and we cut from the same motherfucking claw.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
You think a game the eleven. You could deal with me.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, not not not not not like uh see,
look at my finger's doing something I do on even
know what they're doing. Look right, right right, But but
not not like just because uh because like you play
a different sport or whatever. That's not the like just
the just the case that I will die out there
before I loops.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Are you willing to do the same?

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Hold on, I'm willing to die about a lot of
things like Okay, oh listen, let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something about me. Right, I owe
on fifty two hundred dollars. Right, I ain't paid money
in about seven months because I will fifty me.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
It's this, this makes you crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
He gonna about our own own and I ain't even
paid it, and I ain't said oh hell dog oh
hell dog man. You gotta think that up on the
half cut before and on the side chat, y'all heard
this path, this path be talked about all day. Tell
about yeah, come run you get Baltimore. Now he getting

(27:24):
to him with paying ball, told about hen.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I'm usually have a small example. Now I'm gonna give
your money anyway.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
I'm just I would give I was telling Pat, I'm
trying to give him example of how like I'm willing
to die bout not giving it, but I'm gonna give
it to you. So I'm just trying to try to Yeah,
I'm trying to get Pat. Do understand like I'm really
like that too.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
And if you're willing to die by that, I mean
we on the same you paid right right? I would.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
I would really love to scale one on one between us.
I come to you, I'll spot you five to eleven.
Who me, ain't no hour, I'm talking to you?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
But see this, this is the thing you played. You
played professional basketball. You have yet to see me play.
I average fifty six in high school. I was supposed
to go to the NBA, but I got in trouble,
got suspended that I got kicked out of school. So
I had no choice and I went to the school
I only had football, so I was forced to do that.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
You and me, huh, So I got this su sat
not the transition into that.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
And if I need to get back to what I
normally do and that put a built the ass on
the court, you could be the first one.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
So so with sports, and I think we all know
this with sports, it's uh, it's the it's the major
major component that's always important, and that's conditioning.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Right, that's me, that's me. I'm conditioning.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I just played a game a month ago in front
of seven thousand, you know, eighteen five and five. You know,
I'm ok they yeah, they screamed another language over that.
Why I'm playing. I'm I'm I'm right by way, I'm
back telling on the way back like this, right, okay.
So conditioning is a part of it. Mental conditioning is
the most important part of it. That's that they don't

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teach you. That's what you can't get at gym, right,
that's that's that stuff. I'm gonna just lift and keep
doing this rep until all my muscles burned, until I
feel a burn that I ain't never felt before. And
then when I feel that, I'm gonna do some low
like okay that but ya.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
Wow, okay, let me yeah, let me, let me. Let
me tell you something about my jack Wow.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Can you hear me? Yeah? You know, I say, yeah,
all right, wild I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell
you about my my kind of conditioning. All right, my conditioning.
You know, I play soccer. You hear on what that is?
Let me write it, write this down because I like
to be ahead, right, right and down.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I played a striking You hit me, I played a nine.
I played forty five minute half straight with no break,
running full. Gimme that's fast. That's no breaks, no timeouts,
no commercials. Forty five minutes. That's two halves of those. Okay,
that's part of my conditioning. Then my physical and mental conditioning.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I take these right here. Huh these called roast falls. Now,
this kind of conditioning I do at home? Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. Pack one of them. You hear me.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
I put chan cam, put her through the mattress. Gim me,
I make sure she touched every corner of the wall. Huh.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I put on the.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Ceiling fan and I tied to the ceiling fair and
make it go around in the circles.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
That's the kind of condition I'm talking about. You ain't
built like this. Won't be post die, it won't be
No man, he too, fittle man.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Man shooting up for Trumper. Don't turn your back on
about your figure. Yep, hey man, that the three go.
Hey wait boy, Pat, I love you boy. But those guys, man,
they know they know those guys man, they just you know,

(31:12):
they I get the text like it's funny because I
get the text from guys like yeah, man, that's let's
keep running it up for the media. And in my mind,
I'm like, no, I'm dead serious. Yeah, well I ain't
doing this because no media, I'm dead see this. I
bust all y'all ass like career like and we we
could do it with cameras.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Without cameras.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
How do you want to do it? You feel me
how you want to do it? So yeah, hey, pat,
so let us so, let us just let me get this.
I get a sponsor and I'm gonna put fifty thousand
line so you lou will tye lost some Brandon Jenny's
one on one. We're to take off. Who taking the money.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'm gonna say this, you will be not in the
intelligent man to bet against me. I'll tell you that.
Don't better. No, We're gonna put it down the winner,
get it off, the winner getting the whole fit fifty thou.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
What you ain't fit out on both I'm not even
mine to it. And listen, I know it's captain when
I when I tell a person, come on, let's play one.
Hunt's let'slet's let's play one one, four hundred thousand. You
gonna get go your chase. I'm gonna go to my chain.
I'm gonna take out a Hundy, you take out of Hunere.
Don't nobody got to be there. We'll play. I guarantee
you all. I'm gonna say, no, I don't know. Hey, hey,

(32:39):
hey uh Brandon Jennies, Hey, no long got to matter
of fact, I got something even better for y'all. Right, Well, y'all,
y'all both know, and y'all say, y'all got sources, and
y'all both know people that's in basketball.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, ask them, just ask them.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Hey, man, look, if if one of them suitable pack
because you know, we don't really know, but if one
of them suitable, Pat, how did I come and beat?

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Everybody?

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Tell you the saying, like, man, yeah, they can play,
but boy, Pat different, He different, different, heat different, he different,
He just different. He not go stop, he's still working out,
he's still playing basketball like he Pat different, different. Yeah,
so that's all. Are you trying to a Pat? Are

(33:26):
you trying to come back to the NBA? Are you
cool with you know what? I'll lot to you and
say I don't want to come back to the NBA. Right,
A lot to you and say that, like, you're a
basketball player. You want to keep playing. You want to
you want to get a game, anything you can give it.
You want to get a game, anything you can give it.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
You can play. Play, I still can play. I still
I still got a good three years left.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
And you feel we just got a couple of calls
if I one decide to go back overseas and play.
So like basketball is always a door open open for me.
But again we speak about longevity also, which is important.
You know, I've done a good job take care of
my body to still even be in this position. So yeah,
if that opportunity presents itself, I'm gonna be misster ninety
four feet.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
To be ready.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
So in other words, in your claws in the overseas,
you can opt out to come to an NBA if
an NBA team, oh you correct, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
So yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Been it's been a fun ride.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I've been doing this for seventeen years, right, I've been
doing this five years overseas. Uh, I have seen the
whole world, man, I have seen I haven't seen Italy.
I haven't seen Russia. I don't say I done seen Israel.
I don't seen Greece. I don't seen. I don't seen
so many different countries, aren't right.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
What's what's some of the best souvenirs that you brought
back from the countries, because I know you got to
bring something back because Russia and Italy is real, and
the Greece and Turkey all the place you've been.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
What's some of the best souvenirs that you bought up? No,
what I'll just say.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I just say my mentor ones, right, the people I've
met through my journey, right, the coaches I've had, because
you know, the European coaches are very different than what
the what the NBA is, The friendships I have, right,
The restaurants that I can go back in Israel right
now if I want to go to and and it
looks exactly the same, right, I may ring my mom,

(35:14):
you know, shot glasses from different countries just you know,
you don't drink at all, but just to have something
that you know, my son bring me there.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
So like I mean, this ride of mind.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
You're talking about twelve years in the NBA, five years overseas,
man seventeen years pro doing an inner city kid from Chicago. Man,
for you got to think John Shire, me and Derek Rose,
we are the same class. I was the third best.
I was the third best player in that class. I
was the last I'm the player still playing basketball.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yep, John shotted coaching sire him me.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Derek Rose, i was the third best player out of
all of them. I'm the only one still playing basketball.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Bet y'all didn't know that, did you? Chant? Why Pat
bab your twelve years in the NBA, you played with
a lot of great players. He was on failure.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You played with your EMBIID, and you with Lebron and
a d and you with Kawhi and PG and jas.
You played with James Harden. You played with some of
the great All seventy five players. If you don't mind
what was some of the things that you said, you
would think that kind of made them who they are
what they are.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Lebron, I'm gonna start with Lebron James because he has
to go first, because he was probably the biggest impact
in my career. I met Lebron when I was a
rookie in Miami, and he really gave me the blue
Plant of being in the NBA and what his goal
took to stay in the NBA. Right, he just did

(36:51):
all extra shit, like, Okay, we we sprinted with the
Miami Heat. He fucking pat, Let's do five most sprints.
I'm a rookie, I'm a say no Lebron James, Okay,
we're doing the strength. He don't want to do regular sprints.
He want to touch the wall.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, it might be it might be nothing, It might
be an extra little two feet, but those extra two
feet add up over so many more times. Right with
James Harden, I seen his ability to take the game
of basketball and make it okay. How can I shoot
the game when I say cheat the game? Like?

Speaker 3 (37:25):
How can I get to the free throw line twenty times?
What's the gray area into that?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
How can I use my IQ when my athletics and falls,
my athleticism falls, and still be an elite skill player?

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So I learned pick and roll isolation, the amount of
time it takes to get from an ISO to a
you know, from a switch. Then I go Kawhi Leonard.
I've never seen anybody in my life workout like him
on the basketball court. Right as basketball courtse basketball player.
As you rep it, you know you might shoot fast wats,
you might shoot seven spots. I'm gonna shoot the corner,

(37:57):
the wing, the top of the key, corner wing. I'm
gonna shoot fots. Him he different, he shoot nine spots.
When you shoot fast spots regularly, he make ten. With him,
he make twenty twenty nine spots. And it's not surprising
to me.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
When he plays. Sometimes he gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yes, he gets hurt because he's putting in so much
extra work on a basketball court. Wow, I've never seen
a player. I've never seen a player work out like
Kawhi Leonard in my entire life of being on this earth.
His work cards are simple, They're extremely hard. They're extremely hard.

(38:33):
I'm talking about make twenty nine spots, make twenty another
nine spots, make twenty going left fast spots, make another
twenty left fast spots. Your arms so tired, you know,
your minds so drained, like you forget. Yeah, I done
got up a thousand today. We go do it again tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Path two thousands. We're gonna do it again tomorrow. Pat
three thousand. We had six thousand makes in a week.
I say, man, this man is this man different? He doesn't.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, you miss you missed the gang winner. You gotta
make twenty, You miss twenty, you go back down to fifteen.
I'm talking about when it comes to like, and it's
not a lot of h Ain't no joking in the
locker room, Ain't no a clue for eight to ten people,
ain't no cameras.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
It's me, his homie, my home, four people, homies, rebound,
let's work. Wow, So what he did? Like and everyone knows,
y'all know, like, with that amount of work you put in, Yeah,
you know, you might be hurt.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
It might not show up this game, but in the
playoffs he shows up every single time. Yeah, every single time.
I was able to have some really good bets. And
I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I have some motherfuckers that I was like, Yeah, let
me stay away from him. I'm cool, you feel me.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
I the best stay walking at with flip flops game
starting an hour, they walking there with flip fops on, Okay, cool, Okay,
next two years.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
They out the league okay cool. Yeah, Pat, don't do that, Yeah,
don't do that. Don't do that. So I had I
had the best of both worlds.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
I was able to see people with big names get
out the league, and I was able to see people
that stayed in the league without big names. I ain't
never average over ten points a game. I played twelve
years in the NBA. I missed the playoffs once. Wow,
I got drafted forty two. I got draft the same
draft Steph Curry, Drift. They took nineteen point guards.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I was one of them. Mhm earned Keith earned my
keep up. That's it. I made over one hundred million
dollars in the NKA, Man, Uncle, I earned my keep.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
You recently made some critical comments about the Sixers wasting opportunities.
If you were the GM of the Sixers, you got
max contract, Joel and b max contract, Paul George max contract,
Tyres MAXI you're the GM pat be up at the
GM mother Sixers.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
What are you doing this off season?

Speaker 1 (41:03):
And it'll be tough. It'll be tough for me again
because now I have damage goods. All those players you name,
they ended this season hurt, right, So now I'm doing
a deal with a team, it'll be tough for me.
Didn't even get that off They didn't play well, they underperformed,
and they hurt. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm giving you
unk that red Ferrari ain't a red Ferrari no more.

(41:25):
It got a little ben center, the little painting, shipped
a little bit, the muffler, hang it back on the loose.
It ain't the red Ferrari no more. I don't think
you're gonna drive. It ain't gonna lie more. I don't
think you want what I got to give you. We
gotta overload. We got to ask them first, some first rounds.
We gotta ask some second rounds. I think they put
themselves in a position to either be really good or
to be really bad.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Well, I mean, when you got the contract, Joel Embiid,
you got three years coming at one hundred and ninety
three million. You got Paul George Gotta he's gonna pick
up that fifty yards, he gonna pick that up, so
you basically, so basically you got uh Paul George for
another four years excess a two hundred million.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Tyree's Maxy.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I think Tyree's MAXI is he's gonna be an all star.
He's phenomenal. But I just don't know what you're gonna
do with Joel and b with his injury history, with
his age and that contract. Paul George, his injury history
is a late his age and that contract, what could
you possibly do?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know what you gotta You gotta let him play
out one more year, right, and then, like we said
with anything with basketball, the first person to going ain't
the players the coach.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Right. And I played for Philly, I played for that
beautiful city on I played for Nick Nurse.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I played with Joel.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
I know how nice he is. I play with Tyreez
Maxie when he got most improved that year. I know
how good he is. But you go feel a lot
of pressure from that city. Y'all know Philly, Philly a
different city when it comes to sports. When it comes
to sports, Philly takes. They take they sports. They go
to sleep with it. They go to sleep with their sports.
They drink coffee, coffee mugs, they got Phillies cup, they go,

(43:08):
they sleep, they wake up with they sports. If you
don't do something fast with that, no matter what it is,
and don't do the wrong thing and the wrong thing,
you get rid of Joel.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
You get rid of Joel, and this don't go right.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, you talk about losing for a lot of years, right,
But if you if you if you get the right
doctors in, you get the right medical staff, and you
get the right locker room pieces around them that you know.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Maybe you guys don't feel hurt. You feel me? Yeah,
maybe you guys. I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
If you got ten games to go, right and you
you need to win seven of them to make it
to the playoffs, that need that was hurt, and it
don't feel that that bad today, right, Right, But if
you got ten games to go and you got to
win eleven of them, yeah, I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't want to play night. Right, It's just different, huh.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Right.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
They just need they need a coach.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
They need a coach or anything with that involves winning,
regardless if it's a company, that's a football team, it's
a basketball team, it's a it's a karate unit with
with with ten year olds. You need coach. You need culture.
In order to be good at anything, you need the
right culture and right and this year they didn't have it.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Pat, I look at Ocha or now. We had a
discussion and I said, I looked at it like this.
Joel embiid end of the season. He played in the postseason,
but basically he was on one leg. Why not have
the surgery on the leg or risk the leg? If
surgery weren't required, why go to the Olympics. And I
understand the Olympics. America has done so much for Joelnbid

(44:35):
and his family. He's made him rich. But Wilder is
beyond his dreams. But he had a talent he parlayd
that I don't get going to play for the Olympics.
And if I'm the Sixers, I'm not gonna allow Joe
to play because I got two three hundred million dollars
tied up in you and you spent the half the season,
the majority of the season injured.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Do you think he should have played in the Olympics?

Speaker 2 (44:57):
If you, if you own the if you Josh Harris
and you owned the Sixers, are you allowing your injured
player who injured the season, who uh the last part
of the season and in the postseason was injured. Are
you going to allow him to play or to have
or are you gonna say you need to have surgery
or you need the rest to make sure you're healthy for.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
The same So throughout that whole year, they knew that
the team came up short.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
The year before So being around the NBA at that time,
you heard little chatter, right, you hear little chatter and
Joel playing, m KD playing and Kawhi you playing, Seth
Curry playing Lebron said he planned you playing like you
start you start hearing about it, and now it became
not everybody playing, all the top dogs playing. Right, you

(45:44):
didn't want to miss a seat on that bus because
what they did, they go down in history, right, they
go go down in history.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
So with that with the States have.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Dumb, you know, and his defense in his mind, he
was like, you know, pat like, feel me like man,
like my son was born here here, feel me like
I was born here.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I'm putting on for the little home.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
You can't go against that, Uh right, I'm putting I'm
putting on for my son.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
So like I thought, I thought what he did, the
decision he made, I thought, I thought it was a
fantastic decision. Right, I thought him coming up winning winning gold,
I thought he was gonna take that momentum and go
back to Philly because in the Olympics he seemed he
seemed in great condition, he said, in elite condition.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
He didn't seem like, you know, like he was dragging anything.
He looked really good.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
He was probably one of the reasons, the main reason
he hit the mid range shot when when US couldn't
score right there on the right wing. Uh over Yokich
against US. Yeah, so he hit that shot. That was
a big shot. People don't understand it. That's probably one
of the biggest shots because the USA couldn't score. He
hit that shot. They go on Steph Curry, dowist thing,
Lebron do his thing, but they win the game like
they brung home the gold.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I can't never fault a person who put on for
his country and brought us back gold.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
No.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
But if you if you Josh Harris, and you got
three hundred million dollars tied up in it, you.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, yeah, if Hugh Josh Harris, you're looking at it
from a whole different beast.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Uh yeah, yeah, you're looking at it from a business point.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I hear you. I hear that. I hear you.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
But yeah, we're gonna need We're gonna need Golden Philly too.
So yeah, it goes both ways. Yeah, I'm just glad
I ain't Josh Harris. I'm glad that's a that's a
hard job to have. That's a whole work job to half.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Because you shilling, you shelling that money. Because here's the thing,
and you had what's the gym in Philly? You had
him in the in Houston. You're talking about the GM.
I walk on the bus. Uncle, I say, hey, Darren,
more you trade me? He know, Pat, I ain't trade you.
Uncle was traded three days later, damn.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
And you know me.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I'm twelve years in so and I know him. He
came and got me, you feel me. He came and
got me in Europe. So he brought me to the rockets.
He gave me my contract. So it's my mama, noia,
you know. So it's so you really can't he be
mad even though he traded. You can't be mad, that's
my man. Yeah, it ain't personal's business.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
But y'all got on the bus. I got right on
the buck. Hey Darrel, what's going on? Man?

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I see you on a on a lot of away games, like, man,
I know trade about to go there. I'm getting traded
old on Pat?

Speaker 3 (48:11):
You cool? Yeah? Yeah? Pat? You going to the walkie
all right?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Cool?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Thank you? I know the bit is, uh you feel me?
Dirty game?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
But if this ain't no work out because he extended
Joeling Bead when he didn't have to. It's easy to
give somebody else money this way pass as opposed to
spend your whole Josh Harris looking like hold on. You
brought in Paul George, gave him a five basically a
five year deal, when it seemed like the Clippers was
only willing to go to three. You signed Joel and

(48:43):
Beid when he had two years still left on this deal,
and you gave him a three year extension at a
one ninety three.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
This better hurst the bad don't forget about that. Yeah,
its Maaxi the bag. Yeah, so you got three guys
basically on the max time. It's gonna be tough. It's
gonna be tough. I think this is years out. I
don't think this is something that can just turn around instantly.
I think again, I think they gotta fix what's in
the locker room. Right if it's a star player, if

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it's a superstar player, if it's the kid who you draft,
or if it's the role player who wave in town,
you gotta get that. You gotta get that culture together,
and once you get that together, you can kind of
navigate your way through basketball games. That's the easy part.
But they gotta fix that locker room. They gotta fix
the culture, that organization back. They gotta get them back.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
The Gators take down to Houston couver sixty five sixty three.
Florida wins an instant Classic, their first title six two
thousand and seven when they went back and back six
o seven when they had Joe King Noa, they had
Al Horford. They won back to back titles under Billy Donovan.
I think that's what I think, that's what their coach was,

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Billy Donovan. Houston had a chance to take the lead
or tie in the final seconds, but failed to get
a shot off in the final what nineteen seconds for
twelve seconds, but anyway, they fail to get a shot off.
Coopis have now paered in three national championship games, seven
final four without a victory, and they were really close.
Reminds me of eighty three. They were a top ball

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game and Derrick Wittenberg heaves up a shot and Lorenzo
Charles catches it and dunks it as time ends and
they lose that heartbreaking game. That was five Slamma jama
a Keem Elijah Wan Clyde Drexler. They had an unbelievable team,
but unfortunately Larry Micheau, Benny Anders, they were not able

(50:30):
to get it done. They got taken down by the
NC State Wolfpack. It was nineteen second yeah, and they
didn't get a shot off in nineteen second yeah. Oh Joe,
watching ball game, I thought Houston, you know, I thought
both teams got a little asking. Hurley started taking some
Eli Bio shots. It seemed like everybody was trying to

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end the game early and late. I don't know why
Houston was taking some of the shots that they took,
but I think you got to give Florida credit because
they didn't panic. They got down twelve, and they didn't
They stuck with their offense. They kept getting great vents.
Houston was filing, putting them on the free throw line.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I mean, they got a couple of A and ones
and dug themselves back into the ball game.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
But watching this ball game, I know you picked Florida
to win it, But what did you like about what
you saw? I mean, listen, I like what I saw
from Houston.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
I know they didn't win the game, but obviously I
think Houston forcing Florida to have so many turnovers in
the first half and a few win the second half.
I really thought Houston was gonna run away with the
game at some point when they were up by twelve. Listen, Obviously,
Florida being known for their explosive scoring, you know, they
faced challenges really penetrating the Houston defense earlier early early
in the game, especially once they got up twelve, I

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thought Houston was going to run better place, slow the
game down itself, and kind of keep the lead extended.
But obviously, in the Florida coming down in the second half,
they managed to get back into the game. And obviously
we see all the how the game ended, you know,
in in Florida's favor, But nonetheless, it was a great game.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
One of the few times now that I've been a
part of the show, one of the few times I've
actually sat down and watched collegiate basketball throughout the entidy
of the NCAA series, and I actually enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Honestly, I thought both.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Teams played outstanding defenses. Nobody shot above forty percent. Both
teams were twenty five or below from the three point line.
Florida was better from the free throw line, seventeen or
twenty one for eighty one percent. Houston was nine or
fourteen for sixty four percent. Rebounding was right there. Forty
rebounds for Florida, thirty nine for Houston. The game was

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really nipping tuck. But the thing is is that we
saw the other night with Duke in Houston, and Houston
should have known that teams don't give up because I
mean two minutes, three minutes of they in college basketball.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
But I think you really have to look.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I know a lot of people go say, Houston gag
this one off, they choked this, and maybe so, but
still in order for you, it ordered fourteen to come
back and win when you're down twelve points late in
the ball game, when you're down at any point in time,
you still have to execute your offense because even though
they may have chow, that don't mean you get the
lead automatically.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
You still have to put the ball in the basket.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
And they were down and they executed, and they put
the ball in the basket when they absolutely had to.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
And most definitely also, I think Houston in the second
half their shot selection, on their shot selection, some of
the shots, you know they were trying to put up
instead of waiting allowing the game to come to them.
They were very bad and I think that also allowed
Florida to come back into the game. And I just
want to mention Walter Clayton Junior his leadership. His leadership
throughout the tournament, especially in the championship game, solidified his

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status as one of the top performers to me of
all time. You know, I can't run down some of
the top performers in a game of this magnitude, but
what I saw from him and his ability to score
under pressure and facilitate plays and crucial moment for Florida,
I think is one of the reasons why they won
this game.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, he didn't. He didn't have his best ball game.
Will Richard or Richard played ritty well.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
He came in hit a coming three early that really
kept him close early in the ball game.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
He played well. Alex Condon played really really well.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Clayton got eleven points, but he was one for seven
from the three, and he got most of his points.
Matter of fact, he got all eleven of his points
in the second half because he was shut out in
the first half, three or ten from the floor. But
like I said, both of these teams played outstanding defense,
and I think a lot of that had a lot
of the percentages that you see had to do with
the defensive effort.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
And you look, you on this stage, util we dealing
with teenagers.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
We did a lot of these kids nineteen twenty years
of age, not big in this situation, and so you know, you,
they know what's at stake. I got a chance to
be a national champion. I got a chance to be
remember forever at my university. And Houston's gonna be kicking
himselves because they had this game under control and somehow
they let it slip away from him. But I think

(54:51):
you got to give Florida a lot of credit because
they stuck with it. They got timely played, got timely turnovers.
I think the biggest turning point, oh Joe, was when
the guy tried to split. He tried to split the
double team. He ended up dribbling the ball off his feed.
Why why there's a guy on you. You try to
go to a go between another guy that's guarding the guy,

(55:13):
but you try to split it, which was unnecessary.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Pull the ball back it is also unnecessary. But we
see it happen all the time.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Listen, I'm not saying he's in the NBA, but we
see many many guards, many many many players that played
the one in the two split. We see him split
all the time, so I know exactly what they're trying
to do. He just wasn't able to execute it the
right way because the ball obviously hit off his knee.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Mm hmm. But this, this was this was a very
good game.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Look, it wasn't esthetically pleasing, because both of these teams
can make it have the potense propensity, They can make
us make a game less ugly. They can munk it up,
especially Houston, because they played defense to get up until
you and they they make you execute. And so yeah,
you look at the percentage, and you're gonna understand why
the game was sixty five sixty three because.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
Neither team shot above forty percent from the floor.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Neither team shot twenty five or better than twenty five
percent from the three. And so when you get those
kind of percentages, O shoe, you're gonna get a low
score game and you're gonna get an ugly game. But
at the end of the day, let me win ugly
as opposed to lose lose pretty. That's the way I
look at it. And Florida did what they needed to do.
Like I said, they kept themselves attached even though they
got down twelve points, and you're like, damn, oh, all right, Florida,

(56:28):
y'all better do something. And every time they hit a three,
they hit another three, they cut it to six, they
get a layup, they cut it the four. Hey, Houston,
push it back to eight, they get another two. Blow
they going to six. But Florida had excuse me, Houston
had this drought o shoe where it was just basically
they were just getting from the free line. They couldn't put,
they couldn't get anything in the basket, and they hit

(56:50):
a couple of guys shot the three out the corner
of the backboard.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
At all anger. I'm like, well, hey, hey it all times.
I gotta be feeling good about that. Ohoe, I'm like, hey,
everything going there for us? Listen that that shot selection
was was abusinal in that second half.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Instead of allowing the game, get allowing the game to
come to you, You pressing when you shouldn't be pressing.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Take your time, run your plays, you know.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
I mean, that's one thing to say sitting here at home,
but understanding the magnitude of the situation.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
No things change.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah, and plus Florida early on, Houston was getting second chance.
Off the second chance, they was getting the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
They was cleaning up on the glass, played outstanding defense,
they were blocking shots, they were stealing the ball, and
they were doing everything. This is the type of game
that Houston wanted to play, and Florida kind of got
out out of sorts, taking quick shots, turning the ball
over because at one point, I think Florida had turned
them all over five times and Houston didn't have any.
But they settled themselves down. I think you have to

(57:46):
give Florida a lot of credit. That coaching staff did
a great job of selling his players down, like, look, guys,
we can't win the ball game in the first half.
Let's not say let's let's play our brand of basketball.
Let's let's do what we do. But it takes a
lot for a team to get down like they did
and still find a way to come up and win
because when they needed to make plays, they made plays.

(58:08):
And you have to give Florida a staff credit for that.
Kelvin Samson is probably kicking himself. He's like, ma'am, what
the hell do we have right?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Get one?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
And I guarantee you if somebody toned them up, say
you know at the beginning of the year, you're going
to be up twelve points with about seven minutes to
play in the ball game, he would have liked the
position of being in twelve being in that position, but
that's all eternity, and it seemed like, damn, can the
clock go any fast again?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
We have a running clock. Even if the ball goes
out of bound, that clock is stopping everything. And then
you're like, damn, But here was a situation I'll show
you have to give I think you have to give
Florida more credit than you put plays blame on Houston.
I know Houston made some mistakes that they don't normally
make in that position, but even though you made those mistakes,

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somebody has to capitalize on them.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
And that's what and that's what Florida was able to do.
They were able to capitalize on the mistakes and that's
what they did. They capitalized and they're the national champs
and they uh, here it is again.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
The SEC they pulled it out.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
They sent fourteen teams to the tournament and the last
man standing was an SEC.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Team. So that's uh, that was that was pretty That
was a pretty good game.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
I'm glad I got an opportunity to because you know, hey,
Florida's really not a Florida's a football school.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Most you in the SEC, unless you're Kentuckey and law school. Yeah,
most definitely, most definitely.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And Houston Houston is a basketball school because Houston, they've
had some good players come out of Elvin Hayes came
out of University of Houston, Clyde dregsonll Keem Elijah One.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
So they've had some pretty.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Good players come out of there, more so than I
think of as the football play the football team. But
I think you got to give Florida Gator's more credit
that you placed blame on on the University of Houston,
because I think Florida got this with their executions, laying
the ball game and they were able to pull out
a win, a sixty five sixty three win.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, So it was a good ball game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I know that everybody in Houston is gonna be everybody
in the Texta's gonna be upset.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
A lot of people are gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Unpaid because they think Houston gast honestly, honestly, if they
I know everybody in Houston watching the show. I know
they watched the show yesterday and I told them. I
told him when to talk to k Mart. One thing
you don't do, you don't bet against Florida. Now, even
though I didn't go to Florida. Listen, I am from
the state of Florida, so I understood. Houston is one
of the greatest cities. We talk about it all the time,
one of the greatest cities of all time. You hear

(01:00:37):
me now when I look when I listen, Hey, look,
if you get you can see me, right. I saw
I'm talking to you when I'm talking to you, but
I know you're picking up what I'm putting down. But
when it comes to basketball, I already knew. I already
knew how the script was gonna play I knew how
I was gonna play out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
That's why I made the better I bet. Oh Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Dan Hurley says he regrets this game is a postgame
post game outburst. Dan Hurley reflected on the f bombs
directed to Baylor players about officiating, which was sparked by
a call that didn't agree with during the contest. Hurley
regrets how it all played out. That was embarrassing. I
wish somebody could have stopped me. I got to get

(01:01:17):
somebody that I think that maybe could just walk under
mail off the court, maybe like a collact college football.
You aren't listening. He ain't gonna listen nobody you you like.
It's hard, oh sho, when you in that moment and
you feel like you just got to get one of
them all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Yeah, he knows it. He's a very he's a very
passionate coach. He's a two time that champ.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
He's going for a three pat something that hadn't been
done since the Wooden days in the late sixties early seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
But at that point in time, I'm not so sure.
He was so riled up and he genuinely believes that
that call. Right, Listen, this is what I don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Why are you apologizing for how you feel? Remember I
told you about telling the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
There's a certain time where you have to be politically
correct and you just can't be yourself and actually explain
how you really feel and be passionate about something. It's okay, Yeah,
I mean, as professional as he is, and Dan is
allow him to really express himself on how he truly
feels instead of bite, instead.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Of bite the bullet, a bite to tongue. It's okay
to be. It's okay to show us some time. It's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
You don't have to be a political robot all the
time and say everything right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
It's okay to express how you want to for a change,
it's different.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Don't want to get that caught on camera. You're dealing
with college you're dealing with college kids, and the cameras
are on you. You can't say we got FT and
I hope you guys don't get f because that what
just happened to us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
You're right, okay, because you got to realize you're the
CEO of you God, those those those those are the boots,
the what do they call him, uh uh, the president
or chancellor whatever whatever, the provots whatever they go by.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It said, you do you think they see something like
that and be like, you know what, we don't like that,
or you know what, that's what we need. That's what
we need.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
We need to We need a coach with that kind
of passion, that step. We like your passion, but we
you understand that's what happened. Okay, that's why you apologize it.
And he liked that seven eight million dollars that he collected. Yes, sir,
don't don't mess your money up. Yeah, it is how
A when I get into the locker room, hey, cut

(01:03:34):
them cameras, right, man, they screwed us. Everybody know that
I got you. I won't go use the word screw.
I will use the word that he we've all been
in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
We owe. Hey, hey, cut those cameras and then boom,
hey when them cameras off. Boy, it's different. Absolutely, it's
different when them cameras off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Of course, But I think the thing I think he's right, Hey,
let me get somebody that a because when emotion is high,
logic is low, you throw caution to the way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
We've all been there on Yo, we get to a point.
It ain't no turning back. So what you need to
do is have somebody before you get to set point.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Come on a come on, don't you Hey, come on, hey,
I know we frustrated right now, Hey take it out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
On me being on me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Hey, why the hell you call that to? Why the
hell you get such and such? Why did you tell
me you're right, coach. For me, you got to have
somebody like you know, in a situation you out with
your lady. You got to have a lady that's strong
and say, baby, you ain't gonna mess up this money.
Come on FtM. He he ain't had no chance. So

(01:04:40):
don't even worried about all that. I know I'm going home.
I know who I'm going home to get me. Hey,
I'm cool with that. I'm good so all that other stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
When he talking, I mean, I've had a situation where
you know, I'm talking to me and this dude.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I'm talking because I know why. But he got a parka.
He ain't he been He up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
There smiling, waking at weet wi ging at the lady
that win whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Hold on he was drunk, yes, but no no, But
but I'm saying I don't know him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I know the dude that he's black him and I
I've known him for a long long time. He was
a couple of years he's a couple of years younger
than me. And so she brought it to my attention.
She say, hey, I don't want you to say nothing,
but I handled it. I said, right, right, he said,
you boy that you was with his partner kept looking

(01:05:40):
at me, winking and smiling, blowing kisses. I walked the
tour him and told him out with him, and I
think you, I think that's very I say, that's that's
very unprofessional.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Said, you don't do no stuff like that. Hold on,
unc buddy, must have been drunk or something. He wasn't drunk.
He wasn't drunk. But so check us out. As after
he was getting ready to leave, yea, she he did
it again. So I was he need it, you know,
he need get Yes. See that's see, that's why you

(01:06:12):
need me with you sometimes when you go places you
need to die. That's why you need me with you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Man, you need you enforced with you. Man, that's like,
that's that's not listening. That's total disrespect. It is not
just to you, but the HUDs well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Because matter of fact, after after she after she already
told him what time it is, he told him what
the play was. And you're still trying to back go
to my dog like that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Man. Yeah yeah, but uh, I brought it to I
brought it to the old boy. He's like, man, I'm sorry,
that won't have blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
You I say, cool, I said, I ain't got no problem, Broke,
I said me, and you, I know you knowing you
you we always yes, I cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
But I'm just I'm just saying, everybody ain't gonna be
like in a position that he got stuff right right
right right some situation. She would have told it, but
she told it in such a way as to diffuse
the situation. I am, hey, listen what I mean. Only
only time people do stuff like that. I'm telling you
had a little look in the system.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
That's liquid courage, being able to pull stuff up, pull
stuff off like that when you know, you know, listen,
that's my friend.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Okay, he with somebody, and you're still sitting there winking and.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Smiling, trying to catch somebody attention, trying to see if
she gonna play you know, all right, bad okay.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Bro I'm like bro I mean, look, oh Joe, we
all have been around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Look, if you're a professional athlete, you doesnet built around
situation with Somebody got a bad lady, somebody got a
bad wife, or she might not even be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I don't know what she is, but she's with him,
so that for I look at it. I don't care
what she is. She his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Automatically know that she's a significant other. You know that
even if it's somebody he just met. Y'all together? Okay, cool,
and you know we already know it. I remember the
conversation Gillam had long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Remember that episode.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Yeah, you know, you know, you know, as nd NBA
players and NFL players, can you already know who's off limits? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Limits, not everybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
You want to get to save one. Now you can't say,
you can't say, oh this, I got a wife and
I got no no, no, no, that don't work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
That don't work. You get one. You get to put
one up on the show, and that's it. Everybody else.
I don't care who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
It's a green light. Yes, I don't care if your wife,
she your girl, or you just better. You got one,
you get to keep it. It's like, hey, hey, it's
like you go to the store and your mom said,
you pick one thing out there. You can get a soda,
you can get chips, you can get cookies, or you
can can't get them all. You get one, you can't

(01:08:49):
get them all.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
Yeah, it's it's it's a rule, and it's been a
rule like that for years, that it's nothing just nothing new,
that one is always off limits now any thing outside that.
I don't care who it is. I don't care how
long I've been talking. I don't care how long you
know each other. Well, there's a green light, and nine
times out of ten in that circle with.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Us, she going.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
No, it's like uh uh. But I was like bro,
I was like, man, you know what. But it was
rough ideal with you, it was rough there the volume