BONUS EP* Conversations About Ducker Carlson aka J. Cole

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Sealer's podcast with your host. Now fuck that with your
load glasses alone, He dug.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
My, man, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Woh crazy? I'm on three hours, three hours, three and
a half hours of sleep. What happened? I I had
this idea for a film about ninety days ago, and
somebody else was supposed to write it. Got you shout

(00:41):
out to unc' unc was supposed to write it and
he never wrote it. So the idea just start coming
to me last night. And you know what I mean,
I just was flooding it out and writing it as
a synopsis and getting through it. And I looked up.
You know what I'm saying. It was five thirty in
the morning, five o'clock or something like that. Man, it
was crazy. So I was just up, up, up, up,

(01:05):
up up, writing, writing, writing in my phone, and I
came out with some dope. I mean, I really liked
what I came out with, So I ain't got no complaints.
A good deal, That's that's all that matters. I ain't
got no complaints. Uh crazy, right, because I'm talking to
the homie right this morning, right, And this kind of

(01:26):
slowed me down because I had to get in the shower.
I had to get in the shower, and I'm talking
to the little homie.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Key Veil.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Shout out to KIVI uh, shout out to rontal. I'm
talking to Ronald, and Ronald is like this huge like
Tupac fan, Like I mean, die hard Tupac fan. You know,
everybody love a dead nigga, man, you know what I'm saying.
They all love a dead nigga, and they love a
man that passed away, and it's easy to follow him,

(01:57):
you know what I mean. Like yeah, yeah, like Jesus,
you know what I'm saying, Like, people love when you die,
and then they could just kind of make what they
want to out of your legacy exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
They could. They could. They could make you do whatever
they want and you aren't there to dispute them.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah right, So Ron does this right? So I got
a group chat with Ron is is is I consider
Ron a friend?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I mean he like him? And Chuck Dizzel Shout out
to Chuck Dizzel. But Ron and Chuck Dizzel are cousins.
Chuck Dizzel is my man, honey, grand you feel me?
That's head man, so that's my man. I ain't hear
it to Chuck Dizzel, that's my man. Right, So I'm
I'm I always be telling Ron like the truth, Like
I'm like, look, man, this is what this is the

(02:42):
story coming from the people involved. Like so if we
talked about Tupac, I'm like, yeah, this is like I've
I've confronted you know what I mean. And I don't
use it. I don't like the term confront because it
has a negative connotation. But I've confronted Jimmy Henchman. Game
will tell you. Game was right there, big faces, right there.
G Rod was right there. I confronted Jimmy Hinchman on

(03:03):
Brazil in Compton about his situation with Pop. I remember,
Chuck looked at me. Game looked at me crazy, like
why would you ask this man this? You know what
I'm saying. But it was going to bother me, you
know what I mean, because we grew up on poc lure,
So it would bother me if I didn't ask, you know,
this man, who this guy I've listened to pretty much
coming into my whole adult life what he was saying

(03:26):
about him? And I would tell Ron the information and
I could tell coming from Jimmy, Like Jimmy was thorough
about it. He wasn't making it tougher or weaker or
none of what it had to be. I knew Jimmy
Henchman was telling me the truth.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
At this time.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Jimmy Hinchman is managing the game. You know what I'm saying.
Jimmy Hinchman and Delaney McGill, they're managing Gang, They're managing Chuck.
So I asked him and he broke it down. And
I would pass this information to Ron because I know
Ron is a die hard Tupac stand right here, a fan,
he a stand and even like somebody like Haitian Jack,

(04:01):
like I met Haitian Jack when I first got in
the business, because real street dudes connect soon as like
soon as you get into business and people verify that
you really from the soil, you know what I'm saying,
people connect with you like so like Haitian Jack was
one of the first people. Haitian Jack linked me with
White Cliffs, you know what I mean, like like and

(04:23):
it was all love. And I was able to ask
Haitian Jack straight up, like Nigga, I had to know
because you know what I mean, I'm from Los Angeles,
I'm from California. Tupockets is the president around this motherfucker
to some degree, you know what I'm saying. So to
hear their stories, and you could tell, Bro, I've been
in the streets long enough, even back then, to know

(04:43):
when somebody's putting extras on, when they line, when they hide.
They were telling the truth, and a lot of the
stuff that was happening was really misunderstandings. And to me,
more of Potner's being a bit young and naive to things,
you know what I mean, Like he was he was
a baby. He was like he won, you know what
I'm saying. He was a little dude. Yeah, And I

(05:04):
would pass the information to run even the shit that
happened with Pop dying, you know what I'm saying, Even
with what happened with Pop dying, right, and the whole
situation with the south Side is getting into it with
some of the hommies and all of that, like different hummies.
And I told Ron, like out of Freaky Dre restling,

(05:25):
Peace shout out to Dre Dre. So they called him
Big Dre, But niggas in the streets was calling him
freaky j I don't know if he changes, but that's
what niggas called him. Dre was a ball and ass
nigga from South and he was a solid dude. Dre
booked me for like my fifth show ever in my
rap career, you know what I'm saying, Like when I
was trying to change my life. He gave me four
thousand dollars to come perform at a house party, you know,

(05:48):
in Compton at these mansions, right, So it was Hella
dope And I remember asking Drake. You know, I just
grew up around some dudes where you asked what you
want to know? I don't fuck who it was, So
I was able to ask these dudes. I knew who
Keithy was. My mom knew who Keify was, you know
what I'm saying. So I was able to you know,
and then being a gang banger at the time, like

(06:09):
you knew what happened. So to make a long story short,
I'm passing the information to Run. I'm like Ron, you know,
here's the information, bro, Like you know what I mean?
Like here it is like we you know, everybody knows
what happened to Tupac at this point, Like there's no secret,
you know, it's the information is out there. Yeah, there's
a lot of conspiracy theories, you know what I'm saying.

(06:32):
It's a lot of conspiracy theories. But we all know
what happened to Tupac, you know what I'm saying, And
it's up to you to think if he was right
or wrong. I personally think he was right. If you
ride with the people, with these people, your friends, especially
in his situation where them people got him out of
jail and they embraced him and he embraced them. I
do not think of nothing is wrong with Tupac jumping

(06:53):
off the ledge, you know what I mean, jumping off
the ledge, like if somebody that looked out for me
that I was a friend of mine and I don't
care if I know him for ninety days, who I
am is who I am. And I felt like that
was the same thing about Pac, where he was who
he was. It wasn't about nothing else besides he embracing
this dude in these in this movement, and he's like, Yo,

(07:14):
this dude did what to you. Let me go. I'm
finna go get at him. That's that's a rider thing
to do. That's a rider thing to do. Bro, That's
hell a rider. So I got the utmost respect for Pop.
Now Ron feels like Pop was too smart, like, oh,
he would have never not involved in that, And I'm like,
the problem is and with that, when you see gangs

(07:37):
as this silly, dumb thing, the relationship you know amongst
poor people, that camaraderie, if you see it as stupid,
then no, you will never understand what Pop did because
in most human beings minds, because they cowards and their
chicken shit, they felt like us Pac had money or
you know, he was worth money, that he should have

(07:58):
never said nothing involved. That ain't how it worked when
you come up from these ghettos and you really so,
I think Pak was genuinely doing what he was supposed
to do. And I also understand that, you know, they
gotta protect their reputation too. I totally understand, and it's
an unfortunate situation. That's the truth. But I'm telling Ron,

(08:19):
and Ron is telling me he bene made up in
his mind that yeah, well you know, they said, baby,
they ain't try to snatch his chain outside the casino
like another chain. And I'm like, bro, like, you gotta
stop making shit up. And that's the whole point of
this conversation about j Cole Duck and the smoke, like

(08:40):
I am tired of niggas making shit up. Like I
get it. We are in the entertainment business. We are entertaining,
and that's true and entertainment, bro, people will tell phibs.
They will tell phibs. That's part of entertaining. But when
you tell phibs that are rooted in reality, it can

(09:02):
have dire consequence. Dire consequence, like I'm telling him, like
you're saying, first off, if he takes POC, if he
attempts to take Pot's jury outside of the casino and
Pot got people who stopped him the first time, they
would have jumped on him the first time. But it's

(09:23):
just stuff that don't make sense. But they create this YouTube, lord,
in this conspiracy theory, you feel me, and people live
and die by it. They don't even care about what
makes sense. He don't even care. It just bothers him
that Pot could have lost his life and something that

(09:43):
he feels is stupid. And I get it, you know
what I mean. It does gang banging on the outside
pe to people who don't know even you know, you
have been closer. You got me, you got Malcolm, you
got people that can articulate the real relationship outside of you,
and enough you know, you hung around to see why
people fuck with each other. Yeah, but there's a weird space,

(10:07):
bro where people don't get that. They just really feel
like it's about some colors or some bandanas or some
you know, street sign or property people don't own.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, And I think also like with this, people look
at it like, you know, because of the position that
he's in, that that the two.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Things aren't as closely bound to one another. So like, yeah,
you have say the world by the tail, you know,
so to speak. You're young, rich and famous, so you
have options, you know, choices are at your discretion at
that point. But what in it's basic you know, Cornerstone

(11:04):
got you young, rich and famous. You know, it's who
you are and how you were shaped and what's around
you and your ability to be a part of be
associated with the culture and that lifestyle enough to be

(11:27):
able to transmit it artistically to masses. And we're back
in the circle again, you know what I mean. So
it's like it's not too dissimilar to like when you
would see like a boxer get into a fight somewhere well,
he's famous as being a boxer because he fights. Yes,

(11:53):
he's good at fighting. He was good at fighting and
that's probably, honestly maybe part of how he got into box.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Oh man. And so just telling people bringing clarity because
you really have to, like you're fighting their ignorance, right,
even somebody like Ron who grew up right smack dead
in the center of the culture. Sure you know what
I mean, but he wasn't a part of it. I

(12:23):
go through this with problem. Like I was talking about
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your podcasts right. So, again we're gonna get into this
j Cole thing, but just bear with me because I

(12:58):
gotta show you why that's important that we have these conversations.
And even with my young homie Ron, shout out to
everybody in the chat, shout out to do be twying Max,
Shout out to steal who haven't Internet problems he can't
get on. Shout out to leather Face, Shout out to
Dee what's having his squishy Welcome back. I love you, sister.
We are glad you here. We will definitely have a
barbecue just because you be here. My boy kiv Our

(13:22):
Burden was heading west La special Ed was cracking name brand,
Thank you for coming back. My boy Sean was haddening. Yes,
we back up in this thing, cuz so long story short.
I'm telling Ron and I'm like Ryan, bro like, ignore
all of that silliness going on, bro, Like, stop looking

(13:45):
at that. I don't give a fuck with none of them.
I'm telling you exactly what happened. Like, I'm telling you
insight from the people that it happened with. I'm outside
of the fact that's my era. I'm inhigh school when
I'm gangbanging in nineteen ninety five and ninety six. Right,
I'm off the porch. I mean, I'm still high school,

(14:06):
but I'm active. So you're hearing the gang the thing
about being a gang members. You hear about what's going
on in everybody else's community. You know what I'm saying,
And most people don't know this. Yeah, I'm from Seventh Street,
Wats and my father raised me and watched. But my
mother also raised me in Compton. I lived in Compton
half of my life, so my ties there are deep,

(14:28):
but gang bagging travels. So all of this stuff was
happening in real time. Like the squab we at the
Lakewood Mall. We knew about that right after it happened. Everybody.
We used to call the Lakewood Mall the terror Dome
because different gangs would go there pete to get in fights.
It was all about proving again, poor people try to

(14:49):
prove superiority at the most primitive levels. And it's a fight,
you know what I'm saying. So people was fighting, and
so we heard about the fight, how the fight happened.
People think the fight, you know that that stimulated the
situation that Tupac died over was over a chain. That's
not true. It was over a misunderstanding in a situation

(15:13):
between two separate gangs. The chain is just in that
lay thing. Any of y'all in this chaff from La
y'all know, if you get into a fight, y'all haven't
been to the clubs in Hollywood. You get into a
fight with enough people, the first thing people do in
the middle of that fight is start reaching for jury.
I don't know why. It's just an LA thing to do.

(15:34):
It's just an LA thing to do. Like you be
fighting and next thing you know, somebody reaching for your jury.
That's one of the reasons I don't wear jury. Way
before I was a rapper and was getting to some
millions of dollars, I wasn't wearing no jury because where
I'm from, that's the first thing everybody reached for in
the middle of a fight. So I'm not giving nobody nothing,
not a damn thing. But the point I'm making is

(15:58):
back to Ron. I'm telling man, I'm like, Ron, look, Bro,
this is what happened. I get it, and you want
to in your mind, you believe pac was superior and
he was the greatest thinker, and he would dare not
be a part of this community and press this line
and it's like you wrong, bro, pressing lines. He was
a line presser. Pak was an habitual line presser. He

(16:20):
pressed lines for whoever he was with. Anybody like that's
what a solid one? Do you press your line? If
I'm with some of my partners from West La I'm
a press a line. If we together, Bro, I'm anna
press a line. I don't give a fuck if it
don't got nothing to do. We together. Now, some you know,
suburban people think that's ignorance, Pete. If me and you

(16:41):
somewhere Newport Beach, bro, and a man and a couple
of men get up in your face doing too much,
I don't give a fuck if they from Huntington Beach
or if they from Coast Amazon, they getting punched. That's
just how these streets raise us. To press a line
with the people you with, standing with the people you with.
So if we're somewhere somewhere Newport Beach, you better tell

(17:01):
me they family. You better be like g you know what,
don't punch them. I know we arguing, don't because I
am looking to punch them niggas. That's how Pluck raised me,
That's how Shady raised me. That's how Moon raised me.
Punched them niggas. So again, I'm sure Tupac has the
same raising. You don't got to be from a crip

(17:21):
or pi root gang to be raised that way. You
just raised the streets, you with the people you with.
Pop was with them and them dudes just got him
out of jail. Sug just got him out of.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Jail, and that I don't even blame Sugar. To me,
that is the only hypothetical party that ourl Monday Morning
quarterback is the executive group, which was still young guys.
You know what I like, retrospectively speaking like Sug and

(17:52):
whoever else is in that sea level suite quote unquote
needed to do a better job of defying that line
rigidly and say, hey, you guys, you're here because of
what we have going on. Make sure that he doesn't
start to think he's a part of what you have
going on.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm gonna tell you why. I don't think that makes sense.
And this is being signed to cash money, right, I
get I'm all in right, I totally get it. I'm
not acting like I don't get it. I'm not acting
like I don't get it right. I totally understand said
point right, But what happens is right. What happens is

(18:36):
what happens is right. Is like when I'm with Baby,
I'm signed to cash money records right in my prime,
I'm a gang banging I'm in my prime. I didn't
bust niggas head fuck with Baby I was trying to
rush other niggas fucking with baby because we're together. So
if something happens to you, it makes me look crazy.
Like when that situation happened in Hollywood. You know what I mean,

(18:59):
what a homies ran up on their car, spotted and
ran up on their car. That made me look stupid
because you with me, asks how the streets raise you.
That's the that's the level of you know, of pride.
You carry yourself when you come from the corner, you
look at it like you know what the streets raised you? Right,

(19:20):
So you you you, you do your thing. And and
there was times that I understood that I can't let
them look bad. Them dudes are street dudes just like me.
They've just been millionaires a lot longer than I.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Had way, yes, I remember, right, And so I got
to go with a gun.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
My hommy's going and I'm tripping, and if bird doesn't
calm me down, then you know what I mean, It's
a different situation because them, the dudes that did it,
is my partners. But it's like y'all making me look stupid,
and you can't make me look weak. That's how you
carry yourself in the streets and POC had that lesson.
Don't have nothing to do with him being from my
piru or like that was another argument. I'm like, course

(20:00):
he was banging the mob. Of course he was pressing
them up. He got songs saying long Beach and Rosecrans.
He started saying map like, of course he with them.
They just got him out of prison. He's triple platinum
these niggas, is my guys. I'm finna go all the
way for these dudes. What do you I was just
sitting in prison eight months ago. Yeah, I'm finna go.

(20:21):
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(20:46):
You got a whole movement built on positivity. It's a
dulkin temporary hip hop. You don't even it ain't even
the music, You're like, nah gee, the messaging even gotta
make some sense. I can't just let these dudes get
up in here with this music, right, and then the
messaging don't make sense. Like that's how stringeent you are
on behavior, kwan. If I make you a millionaire, imagine twine,

(21:08):
you get caught up as shit. You got ten years,
I come bail you out, give you a triple platinum album.
Now you're getting one hundred two hundred thousand a month.
You on fire. We in a we somewhere in a mall.
Let's say your hits, funks and everything, find you back
to normal. And I'm like, man, that was a dude
that jumped me. You don't think you gonna move.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
First of all, shouts out to Peak, shouts out still,
shouts out to Seventh Street that pot thank you. But yeah,
we gotta saying. We gotta saying in Milwaukee TTG train
to go.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Bro dam Like say that too.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
We're gonna get get on when you get mad at bro.
Like if you you you playing game with somebody that
I love and you putting them in a in a
in a a in a strange situation, and there's another
thing that we say, whether you're right or wrong, we'll
deal with that later.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's later. Still, still, we've been boys for twenty years.
I've been your little brok twenty years. Imagine over the
next nine months, I gotta go. Imagine over the next
nine months, I make you a millionaire, Like the idea
comes to and now you're a millionaire or you up rightonaire,

(22:17):
I'm not, but I'm saying mine is just our real relationship.
I make you a millionaire too, Like it's pp it,
I make you a millionaire. Somebody that we were in
the mall and somebody just brush what you gonna do?
It's on and crack, yeah it gotta be. We're gonna
talk about that later. Bro, your life. I don't know

(22:40):
if this dude I'm close. I don't been in situations
where dude didn't even know that I was with him
and he started reaching.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
And I'm like, bro, don't like, don't do that.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Want to get real bad?

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Don't do that. Bro Like, don't don't do that. Man Like, please,
don't do that. The whole time, I'm thinking about going
back to the joint. But then the whole time, I'm
thinking he might up, he might up a switch and
kill all of us. So I gotta get to him first,
So shout out.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
To the homie. Everybody in the chat, make sure y'all
check in so I know you in there West of
Lake specially thanks for rocking fast. What's having it, Claire?
I see you in here, Sean, everybody. So again, back
to the point I'm making with Ron before it leads
into the conversation that we're supposed to have. That's the
point where where when people are allowed to redirect the

(23:25):
narrative with silly shit, like where the homie is like, well, yeah,
you know, baby, they ain't tried to snatch Tupac's chain
out in front of the casino. I'm like, bro, that
did not happen. First off, they were the rusting right
then and there. It's a different conversation. But because he
struggles to understand why Pop reacted with that sense of loyalty,

(23:48):
which which makes me realize how many people now my man,
Ron ain't no pussy. But again when he acts like
he don't get it, it makes me think weird, Like,
so you don't understand why Tupac just was in prison
at that time, probably eleven months ago, like in prison

(24:09):
with a double platinum record in prison. Now he's out
with the biggest records of his career and everything and
an army and you don't think he gonna sold your
up for this. You crazy these dudes everything, but but
but let me, let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me finish. I got you still drivers right there.
So I'm like, you don't get it. But when he
redirected the narrative of like, oh well, no he tried to,

(24:32):
and I'm like, you don't need to do that, right,
You don't need to redirect the narrative. You can have
this narrative and it still makes sense. And that's my
issue with j Cole. Bro don't get on these fucking
records were twenty five minutes in. Still don't get on
these records, right, don't get on these records and start lying.

(24:54):
Stop acting like you were so worried about losing your friend.
Don't get on these records acting like you would win
a battle with these two dudes, either one of these dudes.
Don't get on these records trying to redirect the narrative.
You didn't want to stroke. I don't give a fuck
what it was. Ja Cole could always wrap, but don't

(25:16):
try to put vinegar in your pin. When ain't nobody
cooking greens no more? They was just cooking greens.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
Damn.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Now you now you got vinegar in your pin. Your
pin af spicy. You just had a moment that you infused.
You was a part of the reason that this moment happened.
You was the reason that they was in the kitchen
having a green cook off in the first place. And
it was time to let the vinegar come out of
your pin. Bro it was time to let the vinegar
come out. Get spicy.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
But what do you have to add though?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
What Jake call is a sugar greens kind of guy.
Though he just needs to understand that he's a cabbage.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
He puts sugar on gricks.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
She got everybody puts sugar on It's the only way
the grisly season grits only season grids with salt and pepper.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Maybe y'all know, Maybe it's something what he done and
j Cole good.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Friends, d It's not the point again, being friends in
a battle is not the point. J Cole has a
history of saying shit about wanting to compete. He has
a history of talking about what his pen would do
to other MC's. That's how you found these twin Is

(26:27):
is exactly the opposite. Twan is not talking in his
raps about wrapping against other gods. J Cole's whole premise
is built on rapping against other gods.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
This is the perfect meme opportunity. We need to put
Kendrick's face on Deebo's body, and then the guy who
gets punched in the face is Drake, and then j
Coles the guy who picks up I don't know how
you come down here messing around with these people and
puts the back of the car and drops.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So that's what should have been. That should have been
the thumb nail anyway. So I'm like, okay, Like, I look,
I am not one that tries to watch and fight.
I do not encourage people to fight. I do not
encourage people to fight. If you are not a fighter,
I'll be like, look, stand up for yourself or go
the other way. Right. So I'm not saying I want

(27:15):
to see rappers rap against each other. You feel me.
I do not say I want to see rappers rap
against each other. Bro. That don't even make sense. That
ain't my style, bro, I'm not tripping. What my issue
is is when you keep talking spicy when everything you

(27:35):
are doing is spicy, Why are you talking spicy? Okay,
before the battle start? You on a first person shooter
that starts the battle, that actually orchestrates the battle, right,
that orchestrates the battle? You talking spicy? You ain't you
tired of being two and three? First off? Why would

(27:56):
you say that to you know that it's a competitive
thing to say you you're talking competitively, right. Then you
say something, you say somebody of line ship. The homies
hear you saying somebody of line ship. So he give
you a love You know, I'm shit. He gives you
a love on like that. You don't want to play

(28:19):
like that. This ain't what you want cold, This ain't
what you want, Tim Duncan. This is different.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Why you gotta bring big fundamentals into this?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
That's big, he's that, he's that great. Jake Cole is
one of the greatest. He's an A plus rapper.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
But big fundamentals in there. I used to poke the bear.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
A little small shit and do ship man, big fund
just say it and say ship like off the glass
good ship again. Fundamentally he is Tim Duncan. Fundamentally it's nice, right,
But listen that's not the point. You made me look
so but you popping it, You popping it. You popping

(29:03):
it at another level, you can't say he not that
type of rapper if you popping it. If you popping it,
you that type of rapper. So then like that, he
returns the competitive love, right, the competitive love you asked for.
And you go four flaged missiles, guns blazing, You pull
out the seven minute drill. Then you put out the

(29:26):
Pie Song, which is really a disc and you were
slick and deban because you wouldn't put some of his
old friends on there. You wouldn't put soul on there,
you wouldn't put you feel Me Daylight on there. See it.
Everybody in the MC enough to know what you're doing.
I know what you're doing. When you did Pie, I
hear what you're saying. Nigga, I know what you're doing.
Like I get it. So you was popping it and

(29:48):
then you realize this ain't what I want. And you
know why this ain't what you want because in the
back of your mind, there's a chance somebody gonna say
something that's devastating. Yeah, that's devastating. They're gonna say something
to you that's devastating.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Because the gloves is off, it's all.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
And so once you hit me in my face, you
touched it. Oh man, I don't want to fight. I
don't want to fight. And the homie like after you
hit him in the face with the punch, and you
did that little dog ass, dirty ass sneak shit by
dissing the homie on the song and they're putting the
homies on the song with a little piece of shit ass. Jay,

(30:32):
you know what you did, nigga.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
I know it.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You adult nigga, So I know what you're doing. Well,
you don't think soling them with a new that when
they go no, because they not tripping. They they his
verses was on the song. They he did his verse last.
You know, I got at the homies and ask them
shut at to a soul who got an amazing song
that dropped today. Make sure y'all check that out. I
got it then, like I asked the homies and they
didn't hear his verse. So you did it on some

(30:54):
chicken shit shit. That was really some chicken shit shit, Jay, Jermaine,
that was chicken shit. And then once you hit the
hommy in his face or behind his back, like how
you did it, you pulled it back. It was like, no,
I'm sorry, went on the stage. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay,

(31:15):
Really everybody should have called you a buster ass nigga
right when it happened, because I was some buster ass shit.
You hit a nigga, then you don't want him to
hit you back, right, that's just some buster shit. It
ain't saying you ain't dope. It ain't said J Cole.
You ain't don't want to do with that, none of that.
Cause you still nice, bro, You still dope. You still
wanted the best. But you also a sucker for that, right,

(31:38):
and and and all the people who love you, right,
all the people who love you start making excuses cause
ain't like, oh, well you know he's bigger than that,
he wouldn't do that. That's not him. No, no, yes, no,
he's not this nigga, a regular nigga. He fucked bitches
like every other nigga would have. Dick ain't nothing no
different than cuz. Right. So but anyway, we let you

(31:59):
have that, niggas, let your name go. And then them
two Titans went at it, and my young Waye put
hands on Drake, beating like he stole something like he
was supposed to, Like he's been taught his whole life to.
That's what that would have been prepared for this moment.
They had one good record. He got his ass whooked
and like he's opposed to and like he's opposed to

(32:22):
because this little nigga been training. We've been sparred verbally
this whole time. He been doing it before I met
him and said, tinyo. He was doing it when I
met him, when he graduated. He's been preparing for this
moment his whole.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Life, you know what, that whole life, bro. I think
that for him, this was a fantasy come true.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yes, I get to prove it. I get to prove
I'm better than everybody. This is what this little nigga does. Okay,
so move forward, right, So they squab it out. We
forget you had something to do with it. They squabble
it out like you didn't start it, or like you
didn't hit Cuds in the head in the middle of
a fight. But we let you get it off. Then

(33:01):
you try to wait after the fight, you put out
a couple other records and realize them records ain't working
because we really the jig is up. On your bullshit,
and then you try to come back and talk spicy.
Then you tried to come back and talk spicy like
what you would have did if you would have you
would have did ship.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
But maybe.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I don't care. I hate that stupid I hate Noah.
Let Now you're a grown ass man nigga. That's some
buster assh you You let North Carolina damn doing that
punk ass ship, and then you come back with the
song and you're trying to read write the narrative. You're

(33:43):
trying to rewrite the narrative. You trying to act like
you didn't do the ship. You did, like you took
the high road. You didn't take the high road. You
realize you could get your ass whooped in this fight.
That's what it is, and I'm not going to let
you rewrite the narrative. Shout out to everybody in the
chats blowing that ship up. Marcel's sub Vine was heading

(34:04):
Scherise was haddening west of l a special led two
K grind. Frank, what's Hadden in? Coach Frank? These niggas
is trying to rewrite the narrative, and I'm not going
to let him. I don't give a fuck the homie
Pun shout out to a boy Pun who do the
community right and and and Ace boys worldwide tonight one
of the best streams out the West ever. I'm so

(34:26):
proud of them. Niggas. He tried to tell me that
Cole was dope. Send me the song. Cole is dope.
I put. I don't know why you front. I'm not front.
I'm not front j Cole Ben taty Ti. We passed that,
but yes, what I see was back. I'm not biased.
Sitting in his own I love, but I'm a real

(34:46):
don't have none to do with He's a fucking duck.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm gonna I'm gonna hip hop. I'm hip hop anlys yeh.
I thought it was some such ship him dugging out
the battle. But the new record is dope. Though it
ain't dope because you lying on the record.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
You acting like you was on some schmoke or you
or you got vinegar in your pincus when it ain't
nothing in there but kool aid. Bro. Don't do that now,
be the same uprighteous nigga you was after you punched
the home in the back of his head. Try to
act like you didn't. Don't try to give them back
when no motherfucking with no motherfucker vinegar and your pen now, bro,

(35:21):
because when it was time to season the greens, your
whole ass back up. I'm not killing him, not what
I mean, because he's not a whole and and and
I'm passionate forgive me. They go crazy the chat glasses,
they're both for them. I don't. I'm not trying to

(35:42):
disrespect you because I'm not calling you your actions. Your
actions are disrespectable. He he's a he's a respectable talent.
He's an incredible talent. He's better than me, Bro Like
he's an incredible talent. He's dope. But that's some buster

(36:03):
or ass shit to do. How you do that bust
or ass shit with?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Just say glasses?

Speaker 1 (36:08):
He went like this, No that what's crazy is he
really punched cousin the back of his head, got his
homies to pack him out. Really wentn't lied to the
homie like you did some all the way sucker shit,
even going to put them boys on the song that
you're talking about the homie with, trying to cause dissension
amongst us. You know what I'm saying. I didn't. I

(36:32):
know what you did I know what you I know
what he was doing. Still I'm not gonna lie and
I'm not gonna lie on that man. I say I
care for my words, like like, I don't want to
reference him as a whole ass man. That action is
some whole ass shit. You then did all of this shit.
You didn't got all this punk ass shit going. You

(36:53):
try to take off on a homie and do all
this show bullshit, and then when it was time for
you to stand there with throw you apologize and people
try to act like you was honorable. You not, bro,
But we let you get that off and I let
it go. I let it go. I let it go, bro,
I let it go until today until right now where

(37:14):
you trying to come back and act like you got
vinegar in your pen.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
For you know what the problem is, man, I'm gonna
tell you what the problem is. The problem is you
let nas down.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I'm done with you.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I'm done. Ain't you know what problem is? I'm done
with you? Still shout out then Dollards on the super
Chat that's player Geno. I love you, counted in the house.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Baby type shit.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Appreciate that dog. So I'm really careful with why I
handle that man legacy. I'm not trying to just insult him,
but I am definitely not going to let him rewrite
the narrative. You're not going to rewrite the narrative. You
not gonna act like you could fuck with either one

(38:01):
of these two niggas. You can't fuck with the karate
Master or the Owl because because when it was time
to let the vinegar leak out your pen, feel me,
you got the sugar. You picked up the sugar and
start pouring sugar in the dreaming and everybody trying to
eat it. Tell me, I taste sugar and greens don't work.
Don't why sugars do work though?

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Don't?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's terrible.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
You gotta put teapoons sugar steal?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Can you get steel out of their place? In coherence? Obviously?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Well, I'm just doing the homie saying stuff. There's nothing
he tried to pour. He tried to put sugar instead
of vinegar.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
You're supposed to had a couple of teaspoons of sugar in, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
You ain't supposed to have a bunch of sugar.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
His greens is sweet, not supposed to be sweet.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I'm gonna take now.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
If you taste the sugar, you did something wrong.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
I'm gonna take an excerpt of this of this podcast.
We're still say I know where he went wrong. He
let Noads down.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
That's the fucking clip. But the point I'm saying, like
that man and he still hold the straight.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Still because that was.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Look. I'm upset with his action, but I'm not for
to do it still doing. Let me focus on the action.
I didn't like that letting nods damn song. That ship
was lame as fuck to me. But you know that's
that suburban sho I don't know what the fuck is
going on. I don't give scar Face is my hero,
but I don't give a fuck. If I let Cus
down Seventh Street. Feel me like, I'm not making no song.

(39:42):
I let Face down, I let Jake down, I let
Dog down.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Nigga glasses. I'm a big fan of a of a
TV series, Boardwalk Empire. It's about It's about I love
that show. It's about Lucky al Capone when they was
just babies. It it takes you back to when Arnold
Rothstein actually fixed the nineteen nineteen World series. All I
have to say this is the main character is a dude

(40:06):
named Nuckie Thompson e Enough Thompson, and he had an
understudy named Jimmy Dormidy. And Jimmy Dormody told h because
Nucky wanted to be the city treasurer for Atlantic City,
but then he wanted to be a gangster too, and
he wound up falling off into against the world. But
there was a point when Jimmy Darmody toldy man, you
can't be half a gangster man. You can't be half
a gangster. And in this case with j Cole, you

(40:26):
can't stick your toe in the water and act like
you're swimming and then when the piranhas come to the
edge and come bite your motherfucker toe off. Now all
of a sudden you want to be back on dry
land again.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Put for all la cinematic historians out there, you can't
ask to get out of the car after you shoot
out of the car.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah no, he didn't. Well, I'm gonna tell you and
I'm not gonna let you get that. Shout out to
Quishy to squeeze crush Field nine ninety nine on that
super chat much love, please y'all hit them super chats
if you thank you lunch on Pete, we were eating today.
That's what I'm talking about. Still, I'm not going to
let you do that. I'm gonna tell you why, because

(41:10):
if he didn't shoot the gun, if he didn't shoot
the gun, I would agree with you if he would have,
if he would have showed and was like, you know what,
I'm not finna get on this, nigga like that, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
He drove the car to the parking lot by the
crush off Mall.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
They already got asked to get out of the car. No,
they already shot the guns.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
That's what they.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Let me out on the way back.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
They hadn't killed anybody yet.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Of course he shot the gun. What are you talking?
They shot got.

Speaker 6 (41:50):
You're right, I was thinking about Trey. It's fan he
is right now talking about. Oh if you have the
car after they shot the guy at the.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Burgers, what you say? It's fans of seven Minute Drill.
People think like, oh, he shot at him, he hit
him twice. Seven Minute Drill and Pie are both disrespects.
Pie is a piece of ship record because you put
his friends on the record and then you rap the
song this in him. That's even worse. Nigga. You ain't

(42:26):
you not kosher, bro, you not a Jewish meal, fool.
You not kosher. That ship you did ain't kosher. And
you apologize and ain't kosher. You not kosher? Dog, You
not kosher. That ship you doing ain't kosher. And then
you try to put out the record and rewrite the narrative. Nigga,
you not kosher, bro, you not clean. You think niggas forgot.

(42:47):
Niggas ain't forgot what you did. How good you?

Speaker 3 (42:50):
That record is doing just what he wanted to do,
sparking debate.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
It ain't no debate, and you people keep trying to
tell me you'll dope the record. He is. You know what,
I hear the record? How ho it is? M that's
what I hear. How hole it is? I don't hear
how dope it is. I hear how ho it is.
I don't give a fuck how dope your bars is, Nigga,
I don't care about how dope your bars is. When

(43:15):
you building it on a fake premise.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Man, he's.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
The dog cut it out and he don't even why.
You won't even laugh when you say some funny ass
shit man said the first time.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Ain't nigga to make songs like that, Dog's go do
some stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Shout out to Just Ryan from Nola Glasses. When it
came down to Drake and culture, Drake is from a
Jewish culture, and there's a such niggas Jewish mob and
black hip hop emulated to sell your mob. What is culture?
So hip hop ain't just culture. I know you hear
that all the time, just Ruyn that hip hop is
just culture. Hip hop is street urban culture personified through

(43:53):
the arts of enement. It's the artistic expression of street
urban culture. So street urban culture influenced the street urban
colture across race, across race run. So yes, there are
black people who are attracted to the white lord of
Chicago gangsters like al Capone, and they name themselves after
that the lures of a Spanish of a Spanish dope

(44:14):
dealer like Scarface, and they will name themselves after that
Jewish coat figures like like like what's the boy name
the numbers dude, the Jewish battle Yeah, mayor Lansky, I
got a homy named dire Lanski. I mean, yeah, street
guys emulate street guys. That's hip hop and street urban culture.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Drake is Jewish, that's not Yeah, that's like Drake a
lot more than Hebrew.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Drake is regular Jewish culture yamaka culture. Like he's not street.
That's why he's not hip hop. It's not because he
doesn't have culture. He's of Jewish culture. Bar Mitzvahs feel me,
uh markov Backstreet Boys being played at the bar Mitzvah six.
He's a Jewish co He's not a novel speak coach.

(45:03):
He don't speak Yeah, he don't speak any slang or
nothing in real life. He's a regular guy. He has
a video at roughly eighteen years old talking shit about slang.
He's sitting at a restaurant with some people saying how
people in Toronto's slang sounds dumb. So right now he's
usual transition coming.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
You actually called it when he had the song when
he said you gonna make me catch your body right now,
you were so mad.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I told you that, and y'all was mad because I
didn't want to mess with him. I'm like, Bro, he's
going somewhere else that I cannot verify. Shout out to
the homie, uh Spock, doctor Ramball the song the ten
dollars super chat. I appreciate you, Spock. We feel he
good today. Bro, y'all looking out. I appreciate y'all. A
glass Loan felt like him taking the high road and
framed it like the battle was about clout being number

(45:48):
one instead of the culture. And that's my problem. That's
my problem. That is not what happened, nigga. You put
out records and this is nigga, and then you try
to put your hand back up like you didn't hit him,
type shit. That's the problem. If he would have never
made any this record, bro, if he would have never

(46:08):
made any di record, I wouldn't have anything to say.
I'd be like, man J Cole took the high road.
I expect j Row J Cole to take the high road.
That's his brand. But when you go low like he
went low, the first low thing is one thing to
keep saying competitively, you want to compete, and then when
people press you to compete, like this ain't the first

(46:29):
time I heard like I don't want to get into
the stuff me and Dot talk about, but like there
was a time when the Control first came out and
you felt some kind of way, bro, because you don't
want to compete that way, So don't act like you do.
Don't get on these records when you do. Because when
you started the competition and a young homie responded and
got at you and let you know what time it was,

(46:50):
you feel me you didn't want to compete, or I
take that back, you did want to compete. You came
out with two records. You came out with that seven
minute drill, which is med that shit is mean, and
then you came out with that Poe song, which is fired,
but it's also underhanded because you went and put his
friend on the record. You wouldn't put You wouldn't put

(47:10):
solo on the record. Who has a new single out
and make sure y'all check that out after this line
goes off, you wouldn't put solo on the record, and
you wouldn't put day like knowing that we are all
in good standings, we are all friends, and then you
dissed him on the record. We know what you did,
homey with that nigga draco recipe, say we know the truth, dog,
And then you pull the songs down because you you

(47:31):
like you didn't get the response you was thought you
was people looking at you side on you, not looking
at the good dude. So you pull the songs down
and you apologize and really that was too far because
once you hit the Homy twice, you really should have
been in the squad. So Homy still should have took
off on you. On God, he should have really gave
you his work, should actually gave you a pass. Yeah, yeah,
he really looked out for you. So let's stop right here.

(47:53):
Like you the good guy and Homie really the good guy,
the homie look out for you. I'm proud of your kid.
I'm proud of you, kid. I'm proud of you. I'm
proud of you for not really doing what you should
have did to me. I know what you should have
did to him, if you should have did it to him,
because he deserved it. But I respect you because he
said he didn't want it, and like a real player,

(48:13):
you didn't give it to him. I respect that, feel me,
But now don't try to come back. After the smoke clear,
and somebody then died in this battle, and it's our
blood all over it's our blood all over the walls,
and this man career look crazy and people don't know
what's gonna happen, and it's our blood just leaked. All
the stains. You can see the stains from the battle,

(48:33):
and it still ain't over because the super Bowl don't
even make a bigger sting. Don't try to wait till
the smoke clear come out and be popping it like
you want some high moral Why you didn't want to
do it? Ain't that the ultimate? Though?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
You know he gonna have to do They not like
us at the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yes, he don't got to do what he needs to do.
He shouldn't want to shut out to Jess Ryan from Thenola,
But you can't discount the Jewish culture on hip hop?
Then so is it about how gangster you could be?
Because Hitler eventually became pretty gangster, but was he street? No,
hip hop is about street urban culture. It's not just

(49:10):
about gangster gangster.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Jewish culture is not hip hop, and no.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
It's not because there's a ton of cultures. The Mexican
culture is that crazy culture could be hip hop. Street
bread culture is where hip hop is that street where
crime develops. The culture, the lingo, the style, the fashion, poverty,
all these things create style that we call hip hop.
And yes, it's been the same in street Jewish culture.

(49:38):
It's been the same in Italian street urban culture, Irish
street urban culture, all of those things impact. There's a
rapper out there probably named after White E.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Boger.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
So again, it's not about race, it's not about mixed
mixed breeds.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
It's about that was my track.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
White E. Boger, Right, So again you know what I mean,
you popp up shut out the only name brand him
calling niggas.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Ignorant and even like we the gentleman lady for I
just remember the nola part. I remember the first it was,
but like that was crazy that now we're defining anything
violent as gangster. Hiller is not gangster. That would be
like saying the Columbine kids were gangster.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
That has nothing to do with street No. And I
get where that. I get when they hear crime, but
they don't understand poverty and crime come together to create culture.
You don't have to be a criminal. It's just you're
gonna talk the same way as the elements.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I think that's just hip hop. You know, Cole been
throwing digs wherever they all have.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
So that you can't hide your hand and act like
you ain't. You can't try to act like you mature,
like you didn't.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
But see, you know what, you know what that is
the greatest because he's been throwing jazz and he's been
letting you know he throwing the rock.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
No, Doc wants to compete. He's going to tell you
that's how we came up. Shout out to top Dog,
because that's how he raised us. In a business, we compete,
We're gonna compete. I'm gonna get on a song with
Jay Rock and I'm gonna talk that next level shit
saying for dobting anybody else. That's what we're supposed to do.
And if you act like you want to compete, we're

(51:16):
going to compete. That's what you're supposed to do. If
that's your thing. Twan, don't do that. Twin ain't talk
about here if he better than the next m seal.
If you start talking about you better than other people,
somebody might want to find out. And that's what I
don't like about Cole. You can't look at it like,
oh you know that, blah blah blah. Now people want

(51:37):
to find out. You know what I'm saying Now they
wrong or they they immature? No, you popping it, bro, Yeah,
you popping it now, glasses.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
I do throw a little. I do throw. I do
still have the bravado of an mc with ego, but
it's not to the degree that I'm not calling out
like I ain't in no beef with nobody. I don't
care about beefing. I don't care about competing with nobody.
I just want to make you.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Say you're the best. Now you're asking for work, so
stop saying that. Yes, you don't want you smoke.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Don't always trying to bust somebody's ass. I don't care
who I do a song with. If I do a
song with you, g I'm trying to tear your head off.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But everybody, how are you trying to do that? You're
trying to tear his head off by by saying every
rhyme about him are your thing.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
You're just gonna make sure that your pen is at
the top of it to manifest showing it's not manifesting
into an attack on him.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I'm not gonna gee, I'm not gonna this them, but
I'm gonna try to have a hotter version. You're gonna.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
You're gonna put your best foot forward.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
It's like on the song, he's gonna try to some
of them features that you do some of these dudes
and tearing their heads off of the records.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Shout out to the Mac Mizzle Show. Seven minute drill
was pure bars, no personal land ship. I agree it
was very much Bars. But the fact is, when you
start calling another man's work trash, you asking for problem.
You're asking for a problem. So don't try to act
like it's personal land ship or dope shit when it's not. Bro,
you gotta stand by this ship. That's why I tell

(53:09):
Twine stop saying you the best. If you say you
the best, you ask him to compete, because the best
means who the hell are you better? Then shit?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
So if you saying that you can't be walking around
this motherfucker like you ain't on the smoke.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
You know who do a whole lot of sneak this
into and on saying nothing about them. Jay Z, he's
been king sneak this.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Guess what he gonna he gonna squabble up. He ain't
finna get out the car. He ain't finnsa this, he
ain't finna put out takeover and be like I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
And the future other men playing football with your son.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Shout out to two k grind oh nine Kendrick ain't
in and no career Stop that boy. You see all
this our blood. Stop playing. You see all the our blood.
You see we was barbecuing our We've been barbecuing our
for weeks. Don't act like you don't see what's happening
for months. What are you talking about it? Don't act
like you don't see us eating all this our and shit.
And you keep seeing these songs going up and them
songs ain't doing ship.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
You see that ship and be glasses. Who is the
fun are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I don't know, because I swear I've been eating out
for the last few months. Our glass, our wings.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Our breasts, our claws, and our claws.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I've been making grounded up our. I've been missing tuna.
But all Drake go do is come up there and go, oh,
don't do he didn't did it a thousand times and
it ain't happened, and he's happen.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
And them girls still gonna go buy his record.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
He's still but he don't have the streets though.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Still he don't have the streets. But I don't ever
had the streets. He's gonna go up there and go
tripple look.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Again again again. That ain't gonna help. And you know
why it ain't gonna help, because everybody care what we think.
And that's the problem. Hip hop don't give us itself
enough credit for it. That's that's what hip hop. Don't
give us something. He's coming and hey, hey hey, hey, hey,
hey hey hey, take take your cape off. There's no

(55:02):
saving shout out to my uncle to me make my point.
Hold on, there's no saving it. You can't just do that.
It's the reason why he came over here and tried
to be with us in the first place, when he
could have stayed over there with him sync in the
Backstreet Boys. And if you don't realize our opinion on
things mean the world. That's why they're not fucking with

(55:25):
them pop songs. He done put out twelve songs since then,
they like, oh, if they don't like him, we not
fucking with him.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, Like there was no amount of rom com songs
that Jau could have done with. Ashanti was gonna save
his ass after fifty because.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You're done with him, Like shout out to shout out
to homie from Atlanta, what's done? Me from Atlanta City?
Be done with Dre. We done with We done with Dre.
Draco figured out he's an incredible record maker. He'll be fine,
he made enough money his whole life him. He'll get
another record, but it's over and it's supposed to be
over because you can ain't playing with this street urban culture.

(56:01):
This ain't no game.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
A lot of people confused. Bro Hey, shouts out to
m C.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Light.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Today is their birthday. We got to shut out.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Oh my gosh, shot out with Light the true queens
Man much love, like and I say you got that
new album. I'm definitely finna get as a run. I'm
finna play you and glow really today, so female hip
hop for today, so much love. Shout out to West
l a special air reality rap hip hop is the truth.
Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
He even made a record with Sexy Red that didn't
because at the end of.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
The day, now he's ruining her career. She was untouchable.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Exactly that she started to look funny in life.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
If you go flash Sexy Red, you ain't hard. That's
the birthday.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Just wine from Nola. Chinese people make microphones, keyboards, clippers,
but they not hip hop. Ryan, I eat Chinese food.
I'm not Chinese tape ship. Simply put, brother, simply put.
I Chinese food and I am not Chinese. Let's get
through some of these super chests. We got a couple more.
Appreciate that, y'all. Y'all keep them coming, man, that's clear.
Faster Vanilla Gorilla. All love and praise to the dopest

(57:10):
podcast out my man, Fast. I love you for that spot,
the doc. Thank you for this five dollars, Fast, Thank
you for that two dollars spot, Thank you for this
five How do you think God might precede this Cold
Song as a disc? As a disc? I know him
because I know how I'm taking it. And one thing
I can tell you, we take shit the same. He

(57:33):
see it like I see it. We both know that
some old cornball that shit. You then did all this
old punk as shit and he let you go, and
then you come back trying to pop it like you
want Nigga. You not like that, Bro, You not like that.
Don't try to put vinegar in your pin. Now. Bro,
you had a chance and you didn't want it. So
don't try to come back and redirect the narrative and
make us think that you some kind of because you
ain't that. That ain't what you is. David Jones, thank

(57:56):
you for that ten dollars. Cold can wrap his ass
offt but it doesn't matter if the message is trash facts.
He only stands on this is when punching down like
Mumbo Rappers or Kanye while he's already getting dog Pad
David Jones. I'm glad i am not the only person
that see it. I'm glad I am not the only
person who sees it. The mac Minzels show Black coature

(58:18):
is hip hop? Cut it out, glasses, No, it's not.
Black culture is much denser than hip hop, and it's
lazy to call everything in Black coature hip hop. Black
culture is rock and roll. Black culture is jazz. Black
culture is a lot more country just hip hop. Black cultures.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Hip hop is Black culture more than Black culture is
hip hopes.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
It's not, they're not. Hip Hop is much different than
black coature. It's a very specific brand that Black people
have in in hip hop. As for a street urban
culture's specific. It's niche. It's not everything in hip hop.
I mean, ain't everything in black culture. Black culture is vast, brother,
it's vast. So it's just lazy to reference everything as

(58:57):
Black people do it's hip hop because there's too many
Black people that ain't hip hop. That's still black people that.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Listen to Boosy Collins in the earlier rock album is.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Incredible, maggot brain and all that type shitredible.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Hold up South Central Boy ninety four e nim is
hip hop. He ain't black. His his from a street,
urban setting exactly South Central Boy. I agree, and that
that's exactly why it is. Marcell, what's happing to think?
Shout out No Sinners Lie to lunch Hour. Make sure
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(59:33):
God and the Black Effects Network. Right there with iHeart
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we gonna keep turning it up to promote it every
Monday and Wednesday and Friday right here at noon on
Digital soap Box. Marcell. People saying he backed out because
it wasn't strictly raped. You believe that, No, I don't
believe that it was strictly raped. Ain't nobody got hurt,

(59:55):
Ain't nobody got hurt, Ain't nobody got hurt.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
This publicity stuns Drake pull by having somebody go to
shoot at his house.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Look, that's that's got something that's some whole other ship.
Name brand. It's like calling someone the bitch. You have
to make them that now. I agree, name brand or
you shouldn't be saying that type ship or you should
not be saying that. Shout out to sports Doc, Oh,
we got some more super chats. Hold on, how do
you know Doc got that one? Shout out to Ron Man.

(01:00:26):
I appreciate that ten dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Tupac was Jesus. I'm not mad at that. Tupac definitely
was Jesus. I can go with that. I think nanchay
Hussele was Jesus too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
If Tupac was Jesus, be here walking around and now
ain't nobody got resurrected.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Jesus ain't walking around right now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
He got alive and well what do you mean how
he's alive? And well you you wasn't right there with
you every day. He's a testament in my life. Y'all
killed me, played with playing with Jesus stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I'm going, are we playing with Jesus? Can't call no
rap with Jesus. You said Jesus could have been a rapper. No,
Tupac wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
No Jesus. Why Jesus, They wasn't Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ.
Y'all getting Jesus Christ name.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Ain't even Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
No, I know you're full of it, and I'm tired
of y'all making a story like I could have been Jesus.
Hold On, hold on, I could have been Jesus. That's
not impossible. I think, scarface God, you know, I feel
just why I'm when I'm familiar with Los Angeles culture,
how do y'all look at this particular subject. Both Master

(01:01:33):
Pier No Limits and Chuck A Big Boy Regulars signed
like Slim taughtles. Los Angeles culture is vast. There's a
street culture in Los Angeles where I'm from. It's different.
Were from the East side, right, So watch counter Loan
Beach that that part of the one ten freeway gang
banging is a part of street urban culture on our side.
But if you go over there on Fairfax where let's

(01:01:53):
say our future tired of the Creator, they're skaters. Some
places in Long Beach have gangs. Some people in Long
Beach have street urban culture like skating, like Vansas street
urban culture. You know what I mean Vansas street urban culture.
My first interview, here's a perfect example. My first interview
in life came from Thrasher magazine. It wasn't with Double XXL.

(01:02:14):
It wasn't with a source. It wasn't. This is my
first ever right up in this magazine. Right here, Thrasher.
This is a perfect example the street urban culture. Here's
my first right up in life. When you crazy, you
brought it up. This is my first right up in life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Why you tear it out? Why do you tear it out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
The book?

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I got five of them.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Okay, this is the only thing I have.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
I have five of them Thrasher, not in not in
Double XL, not in the rap magazine, not in the
gang Banger magazine, and Thrasher because skating in Los Angeles,
there's a huge portion of it that's street urban culture.
That's what you gotta understand. So again, Los Angeles culture
is vast, like Black culture. All some of it ain't street,

(01:03:01):
some of it is street, and gang banging ain't the
only street urban culture in Los Angeles. That's what you
gotta remember. Jay Z is always ready shout out to
the homie breeze. Yes, jay Z is ready Uh just
Ryan for the know your chuck a big boy record.
Uh wes l a special at jay Z got to
stop doing that. I can't do this. Noot out to

(01:03:26):
Ramy Mature Reno. I just seen you man, much love.
Cole said he felt like m apology, I lead in.
Oh he felt like Muhammad A lead and apologize. Ali
Ali never apologized for picking his beliefs over what they
the government character sassinated of. I agree, yes, no, no,
that's no, I don't agree. I'm not riding. Ali went

(01:03:48):
it through a punch and apologize if youre gonna start
a fighting saying yeah no, no, jay Z did it.
Shout out to Breeze. Jay Z never apologize. He did
apologize to NAA's baby mine for putting her in the rap,
so I ain't gonna say that, but that's not the
same type of apology. A Na's baby mom was somebody
that had nothing to do with the battle. So jay
Z felt as a man that that wasn't right. And

(01:04:09):
I'm not mad at him for thinking that. That's I
could respect that. That's some grown up shit. He never apologized.
Knabs they friends now and he ain't apologized still to
this day.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Nas ain't apologized to him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, they don't know they be on show. Shit, they
still be Yo ain't No Sauce said what I said.
I meant it at that time. Ronald Green barbecue out
facts smoking everything. We smoking that shit, Like we've talked
about it before.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
I go an other topic. But like this is like
kind of the same vein we've gotten into before, where
it's like Jay Cole made himself look like the profile
of somebody that snitches. Ooh, you're you're there for a
second with it, but then you really don't want the consequences.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
But it was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
That's exactly what it is. He feel like a person
that snitch. He felt like a person that snitch. That's
my problem. He feels like a person that told everything
about him. Is a person that told. Shout out to
Shari Steal in the chat. I appreciate you, y'all. Make
sure I hit them chat. We still see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
I'm gonna turn the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
I're gonna go move my car.

Speaker 7 (01:05:17):
Bro Okay, Drake is sixty. Oh man, that's that's my bard.
I'm not gonna get a bar better than this. Drake
went flashing with Sexy Red. If you could go flash
it on the Sexy Red Track In twenty twenty four,
you ain't hard.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Shout out to the mac Mizzle Show that Awl got defried.
Can't lie it was delicious mac Mizzle that I was delayed.
You know what's funny. I never taste the taste to
your bird. I never tasted to taste to your bird. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
So we're doing our Thanksgiving this year.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
You feel me gonna be there, Bram. I need to
go get some our meat, really cook it. You feel
me to make sure we rubbed this in. We need
to rub this in. I mean, look, I think that's
an husion that like I don't like Drake or something
that's not true. Bro. I'm competitive, God is my man.
I love Drake. He was a good dude when he
came in. It don't matter if I don't think if

(01:06:09):
he's a fantastic talent. That's what makes the victory so great.
But yes, we're gonna rub it in because that's the
hip hop thing to do to enjoy the victory. Just
Ryan from the know. Yet, I needed to hear you
speak outside of Twitter, because on Twitter I get a
different impression of you and not an ignorant person or
completely iager egotistical. We disagree on small things. It's only

(01:06:31):
one hundred and forty characters. Ryan, Shit, you know you
gotta Cola. Wayne gave me one of the greatest lessons
in life. He said, if you really want to be
a star, Glasses, you have to be okay with being misunderstood.
And that was like one of the most important things
I ever formed based off of something Wayne told me.
So I'm okay when people misunderstand me on Twitter. I
guess it could look a bit ignorant. Shout out to

(01:06:53):
Big Glow, who just dropped her album, and I appreciate
that specialty. Make sure y'all go listen to Glow. Thriller's
new album, Got some New Mersy glorious, the whole album,
the first album that new music.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
That new mersey I love. I love to hear her
say that ship the best love. I heard closed story
of how what she went through, bro, and it made
me I already liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Man. I love that lady.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I want the best right there. Yeah, she deserves it, Bro,
I've been saying that for I've been saying that for
two years. Bro, she deserved everything. I want nothing but
great things for I'm really a fan of her voice.
I listened to her female rap. I really appreciate it.
She makes me appreciate female raps more today than other artists.
Shout out to another female artist who is very much

(01:07:38):
in the Hall of Fame after one album, Cardi B.
Happy Birthday, Cardi B. Even though you dis cripts, I
ain't forgot that. You better fix that ship one of
these days. I know you are blood with you. Yeah,
you got to get that right. You can't just be disingcrypts.
I don't. I still didn't like that shit. Uh. Shout
out to just Ryan. But if they pulled their contributionized
platform in which hip hop broadcast itself, it wouldn't be

(01:08:00):
Maybe not, but again that's your choice.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
If he'll pulled their highest form of I think he's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Talking about people like Sony and microphones. They don't do
it for hip hop. They do it for everybody in music.
Like vinegar. Vinegar is in greens, but vinegar ain't soul food.
Chicken Chicken is everybody food, But how we make it is.
What makes it soulful is how you cook something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Ryan.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
It ain't the actual It's very few ingredients that are
just culture, like everybody wear All Stars, all Star converses, right,
Chuck Taylor's they call them. But when you flip the
tongue and you put fat relations through them, that's what
makes them Lost Angeles street urban culture, Timblands, everybody at
the construction site and The Winner where timblings you feel me.
But the way New York guys wear them is the culture.

(01:08:45):
Same for Milwaukee, sayn for Chicago. It's how you use
the material, it's not the material itself. So that's the
separation of Ryan. That's the only difference. They ain't brand
even Soul fill away and drop right away saying I'm
the best because so serious, because if it get to it,
you're gonna have a problem. Messing with Soul. Your whole problem,

(01:09:07):
not going to play with.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
You, the whole problem. He's a whole problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
We will Kendrick respond to that j Cole song, Yes,
but it won't be like he did. Probably for like that.
He's not gonna go I doubt he goes all out.
But trust me, Jake Cole gonna know when he's talking
to him. And that's what I appreciate about the young boy.
You ain't gonna play with it. Shout out to Raymond Materarino.
I think I'm glad you still here too, brother. I
like the show subscribing, Thank you, and why are you subscribing?

(01:09:34):
Head over to the No Seilings podcast in the description.
In the description right click the link on Apple podcast.
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comment while you're there too, leave a comment that helps
move the podcasts up. And we're just working on the podcast.
Kendrick just said I'm reincardinated. Tell him again name brand
after getting shot in the back by j Cole Nigga

(01:09:57):
Kilty shot him in the back and did all that
shit use his boy and all that. My nigga popped
up like the Undertaker on that nigga popped up and
showed niggas twyinga Am I tripping? Am I really going
to art?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Bro? No? Put it like I put it like this, man,
I don't like. Have you ever been slapboxing? Which with
like a cousin that was around the same age and
they messed around. Y'all was slapboxing, but y'all wasn't supposed
to go too far, but he slapped you and now
your eye is running. He's like, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry,
and you're like, all right, but you know you're gonna
get him back. You're not. You're not taking that, bro,

(01:10:31):
You're not. You're not gonna get off on me like
that because we was You wasn't supposed to slap me
in my eye? You know what's supposed to do that
to me?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
It feels like two people that were slap boxing and
one person closed their fists and hit them twice. Okay,
we'll take it there not because it's like nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
But you said you tried, you tried to injure me.
Then it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
That's the problem.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
You said you to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
See that wasn't seven minute drill. Seven minute drill, and
and and and and and pie aren't accidents, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Is this is like when it like like the eyeball
scenario is closer to like when what MC eight was
saying about the quick track and he meant quick like
swiftly and quick took it like DJ quick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yes, that's that. Okay, that's that that's where accident goes bad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I just think sometimes it's
just I sometimes just let's sleeping dogs lie man, like
don't like if you know you ain't even if you
got the slightest inkling that you not cut like that,
and you got two ravenous pit bulls out here. Don't
run your little ass out here like playing games with
these dudes, because they it's a blood sport with these dudes.

(01:11:44):
Like these dudeses all gloves. The gloves is off. They will, yes,
they they really they about that life and you are
still in between wanting to be the people's champ as
far as like you lyrically sound, nobody's debating the fact
that you you cold as hell.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Only is the Nigga a superior MC, He's also a barn,
top tier record writer, nigga do his own hooks. The
Nigga's incredible, and honestly, I looked forward to him competing,
you know what I mean when he dropped the first time,
like okay, Cole really trying to come for the crown.
But then when you apologize, I didn't like that. And

(01:12:21):
it's not I didn't like the apology as much as
it just felt disingenuous, like like, Okay, you say you
mature and you don't want to do this, but you
kind of did some hain and shit into action, right,
and it's like okay. And even though I had my
reserve thoughts on what you're doing, like I had, I

(01:12:41):
felt reserve, like I didn't like that I saw what
you did with pie, how you put like that was
kind of devious. I wouldn't do that, you know. I mean,
I wouldn't play like that that. I'm gonna keep it real.
So you really kind of like you almost giving me
forty eight Laws of Power vibes. I mean, like you
like you reading them books and shit, and like I
really was watching that, bro, that that that mattered to me.

(01:13:04):
And then for you to put out this song right
now where you actually trying to act like it's vinegar
in your pin, bro, like you trying to reframe the
narrative as if you didn't chicken shit out. You trying
to reframe the narrative as if you didn't put out
to Dish Records. You trying to reframe it like you
the superior morality, and you're not. You're not bro. You
just a regular man. So stop popping it like you're

(01:13:27):
on another level because you actually did some haint and shit.
The worst thing to me is when street people talk
bad about street people. If you want their maturation. That's cool,
but don't try to call them ignant because we are ignorant.
Now if you use it ignorant the sense that them
kids don't know, that's dope. But don't try to look
down on people that you was once because you because
it's real quick, you could be reminded who you are.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Seventh Street, Pete, y'all tell me this is there a
tad bit of clout chasing in this? Yeah, I mean,
I mean cloud chasing is you don't need clouts. So
I'm the reason why I say tad bit because it's
not like the man. The man got no to writing.
He's known worldwide even though he can't go to a
Tesla dealership and get served, right, they tried to kick

(01:14:08):
him out of the Tesla dealership in New York like
it's not electric like that type shit. Okay, I can
dig that, all right, nice, I like how you want to.
But I'm saying, like, he don't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Need cop but I'm gonna tell you why he does.
And this is the trick, even like when we had
a conversation about Drake. Because you will be popular and
famous and you are rich and you are on top
of the game. But guess what the culture can question you.
And when the culture start questioning the money, people will
stop taking the money. Like remember j Cole put out
two records since this battle happened, and those two records

(01:14:40):
one of those records, and those two records didn't really
have an impact, not that this records. After he put
out a record with that one dude, that kind of
corny shit, I mean, and he put out something else.
So again he understood this is what we wanted to
hear from him. He knew he had to address this
same thing for Drake Drake eventually, if he he wants

(01:15:00):
to make a play, I don't want to give him
the secrets of culture, but you need to address what
we care about for us to care about what you're
talking about, because right now this is the space win.
We want to hear you talk about what we want
to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
We don't care what you think, Drake, like dot beat
that out of you. What I'm saying, we don't care
what you think. We care about what you think about this.
If he came on and made a song where you
admitted defeat, we would listen to it. If he came
on talk about how it affected his life. We would
listen to it. But if you try to make a
song about Uan Guan Delilah, that's not gonna work. If
you try to make a song with Saxey, we're talking

(01:15:33):
about rit baby, Dady, we don't go to fuck how
much money you got. If you make a song with
these niggas talking tough, we know you not tough. We
saw you just get that work. Were not buying it.
The jig is up, the vela is off. We see
your face, you ugly. Now you need to address how
you look. You need to get us comfortable with you
and how you look again and make us remember why
we fuck with you in the first place, because you

(01:15:54):
got to a place where you started lying. And Jay
Cole understood that. So he addressed what we thought he
we cared about. But I didn't like he tried to
reframe what happened. And I'm not gonna let you do
that to the young homie. I'm not gonna let you
try to take some moral road to some superior space.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
You not. You're a piece of shit for what you did,
and you are mark for putting it back. That's a fact, glasses,
that's true. It's not I'm not calling.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Cuz you ain't no, you ain't no, you ain't no
whole ass ninja.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah, what you did with some whole ass ship. Shout
out to Jeriz ten dollars. We'll appreciate that right here
on no ceilings. Kick these convos coming. Will Sean was
handing we up in here, dog. Shout out to everybody
still in the chat and tribute and going crazy. Hold
on one second, South Central boy, I like your questions.
Please y'all stay in the chat, Ryan killy chats. Don't

(01:16:47):
stop killing these chats. They're important. Make sure y'all click
that light button glasses. So if God took this as this,
if you were in the shoes, do you address it
on the next drop leading to the super Bowl or
the album? I probably put it on the album because
I know he don't want all the smoke in his
face and I don't want to look like no bully.
So I'm gonna give him some work on the song,
and everybody gonna know who I'm talking to, and more
than anything, he gonna know who I'm talking to. I'm

(01:17:09):
gonna let him know I heard you and I seen
that buster as shit you did and you're still a
buster for doing it. Now, I might not give him
like that that verse off that or or not like
us as euphoria, but you're finna get something. Shout out
to just Ryan Fel the know you. But if we
put everything together, we're saying anybody can be taken from
the Sicilian culture, which you consider urban street culture or

(01:17:30):
people that manufacture the goods. No, only people who came
up or live in that culture of Sicilian street urban
culture can be in hip hop, not just Sicilian culture,
because all Sicilian culture ain't street cultures.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Old rural country culture.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yeah, they have their own cure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
It's Mississippi type culture of that part of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Ironically, if y'all don't understand this street urban culture transcends race,
Like there's a confus using that La guys created drive bys.
Our component was doing drive bys in like the twenties
and thirties. Street urban culture is just street urban culture.
It don't matter the race. You're gonna have Irish people,
you gonna have Italian people, you're gonna have Black people,

(01:18:15):
you're gonna have Meskan people. You go to East LA,
we're all doing the same thing because that's the culture
of the streets. It's not about the particular you know,
nationality or the race. It's really the behavior of how
the environment breeds you and the rules there. And those
rules are pretty consistent. No matter if you and the
gutters of Boston, the gutters of Milwaukee, the gouters of

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Los Angeles, the gutters of East LA, the gutters of Miami,
it's all the same matter. It don't matter if your
skin dark as the night or bright as the sky
or white as the clouds. We all behave the same way.
And that's the culture.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
Make something out of nothing and get out of the plight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
That's it, that's really yeah, just makes some soul of it,
take it even from even taking it from our We
started at the bottom and now we're here. That's the goal, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
I called this, Willie Manchester, that's fire. Yeah, but you
know what I'm saying, love, you know, I know that
was fire.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
But I know he called he threw, he threw it,
he said, Manchester, He threw like a nice look to
the to the kidney. Willie Manchester, Willy Manchester. Bro, you'd
be bringing them out, bro, bro, what the you would
all be bringing them out?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Got that bastard. Call the cops, honey, No, he ain't
Willie Manchester because Willy least, at least that boy was
trying to steal the stereo.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Willie Manchester. Willie Manchester was not wrong, man.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Willie Manchester was illegal beating. He was at home with
his women and little nasty ass kid was looking in
the window. That little nasty ass trying to steal my
car stereo.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Ray Ray.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Yeah, new house for Ray Ray. You know what's funny
you saying that I've always wanted to address this publicly.
Ray Ray wasn't beating them kids. No, he was just
twenty dollars. If I make eighty dollars property because I
have to connect, and I give you twenty dollars up front,
and you don't got to try to set the record.
Loco actually is the problem. He's the real villain in

(01:20:08):
those in South Central If you really think about it,
Why you say local, why you put it? I'm gonna
tell you why Loco is the problem, bro, Because Loko dude.
Because when it was fucked up, guess who put they
life on the line to protect Loco.

Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Type ship.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Guess who did it? Oh, g badass killer Bobby Johnson
put his life on the line. Guess what happened when
when it was just it was Bobby Johnson back to
the wall. Guess what Loco did?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
Ben was a bitch tape shit.

Speaker 6 (01:20:38):
J cole is Loco type shito.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Oh he always good when you're in the car, y'all,
free y'all. Still you're trying to flay with the prostitutes.
Oh you, it's all J cole is Loco from South Central.
But going back to our last going back to our
to the last, to the last stream, Yeah, last stream.
Loko was also a victim. He was also addicted.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
He was a shirm head.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Yeah, but he's not a victim. All right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
I'm leaving alone. Man, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Don't take him a victim. He enjoyed Sherman.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
He jumped in somewhere in here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
He enjoyed Sherman.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Help me out, Pete.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Marcel Jo to get a word of that twice, Jacob
dis kendrick Man. He wanted people to feel him. Notice
he hasn't this Drake. He doesn't even want people to
think it's against Drake. I agree, Marcell, that's the slippery point.
Shout out to the name Brandon. Don't make sense. He
competing pro basketball more than Rapp. He don't compete there
because he has two points. Jo heinous, Yes, it was

(01:21:39):
jo is heinous because he made that pie song dis
and Kendrick, and he didn't play the verse for he
didn't play the verse for soul or daylight of him
dising Kendrick. So he distant with on a song to
try to create chaos and months our camp amongst our
friends in our circle. That's heinous. It's despicable. Shout out

(01:22:00):
to Ronald Green. Definitely agree about Cold Me too, my boy,
me too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
So you're saying that he so he took the other
guy's tracks and recorded him down and put his on
his verse on the end of the track or put
it in the song afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Yeah, that's what happened. At least that's what they said happened.
I believe the homies just Ryan from No Yah. I
don't believe you can say it's okay to take pieces
from any particular culture with the people that he has
taken from and can't have anybody listen if this is
a conversation about Drake, Drake just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Oh he is Drake.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I think this is a conversation about Drake, where I've
said Drake is not hip hop because he's not street
urban culture. He's not. He's just he's a pop artist.
Pop artists take everything that is sense to the very
top of culture and then they just take it and
make it like they take the seasoning out of it.
Drake is like, Drake is like Taco bell for Mexican food.

(01:22:55):
Like imagine, call it Taco Bill Mexican fool. I mean,
it's not Mexican food. Taco bell Is is based off
of Mexican cuisine, but it's americanized, mainstream American food. It's
not Mexican food. You know what I'm saying. That's Drake.
Drake takes the taco and then he mixes it with
Doritos and he makes kind of like this version that's digestible,

(01:23:19):
you know, he takes the seasoning out for the whole
nation to eat. That's what being mainstream is all about.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
And then on top of that glasses. I hear what
I hear Ryan when he say the contributions he's made.
But in turn, it's been a two way street future
and every artist that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Other people can take from, like like what can who
is going to be able to utilize what Drake has
contributed to advanced, you know, with their own thing.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
Let me ask y'all both this real quick. Has Drake
taught us anything about about about the six.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
No, because they don't even call it. That's another story.

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
That's what I'm saying. He has he taught he I've
seen him do Miami culture, I've seen him do Atlantic culture.
I've seen him do Houston culture. He's done. He's done.
He even through He even threw pop uh an Ai
poc on a disc record to the King, to the
King of Compton, like you who idolizes pop?

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Like you literally did that. So I'm like, what else?

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
What else he taught us about Toronto? I'm asking, I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
I'm gonna try to he signed pop con this and
work with him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Okay, which is which is a culture? Which is business?
That's business. It's it's not advancing the culture. Look, Drake
is very much of Jewish culture. He's a dope talent,
just a mainstream pop artist that makes rap song cit
He's a fantastic talent. Basically, what you're saying in reverse
is someone takes something from hip hop like Drake. He's
not hip hop to you. But if Jewish mind were

(01:24:51):
to do something acceptable, it can be taken. If someone
takes something from hip hop like Drake, we didn't. Someone
takes something from hip hop like Drake, Drake is not.
We don't don't take anything from Drake. Drake just takes
from difference.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
The difference is like literally all the stuff that happened
in the turn of the twentieth century with a massive
influx of Jewish and Italian immigrants into the heart of
poor urban New York and what manifested for twenty years

(01:25:25):
is people tried to get on their feet. Is the
exact same thing that has happened with subsequent people who
moved there afterwards that started hip hop, also in the
same physical place, doing the same physical things under the
same physical circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
And whether or not you pray on Saturday or Sunday,
or your other language sounded more like you're from the
Deep South or was Yiddish, it's those other things are
not the coincidental things. The coincidental things is what was
happening right there and why and for that period.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
How you had to talk to the people right then.
We had a great conversation Shout out to you Twine
for bringing Chuck chill Out on ADHD. Make sure if
y'all ever download Clubhouse, y'all become a part of the
ADHD family. Has some incredible hip hop conversations happening there.
Shout out to my brother Trap everybody over there. It's amazing.
But Chuck chill Out. Twin brought DJ Chuck chill Out

(01:26:20):
on hip Hop and he talked about how there were
Puerto Rican people who hung with them all the time
and they didn't know they were Puerto Rican because if
they went to Puerto Rican neighborhoods, they would get their
ass whooped. So again, like hip like, like street urban
culture is pretty much the same no matter what's going
on inside of your house, But what's going in your

(01:26:43):
side of your house doesn't always have to be hip hop. Like,
you can go inside of your house and it could
just Puerto Rican culture just be Puerto Rican culture. But
then there's the thing that everybody in New York street
life does, and that's the thing that makes it hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Like, it's it's you know what it is. It's like
what's the sun to the solar system? In Puerto Rican culture,
there are certain things that transcend Puerto Ricans wherever you
find them, and that's the sun in that solar system.
Whereas there's certain stuff that everybody in an urban environment does,
no matter what their background, and that's the center point

(01:27:20):
for them exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Shout out to him, BALI love. The problem is that
Cole keeps throwing stones and hides his hand, goes on
a moral superiority, periority. I'm above the phrase stance while
sneak this and do all fake Totally agree. That's my issue,
and I will not let him rewrite the narrative. That's
why I'm here now. Mega sure he doesn't rewrite the narrative.

(01:27:42):
Shout out to everybody in the chats man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
Yeah, they dropping some jewels today?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Is god? Y'all getting crack in a day? Shout out
to Anthony T.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Pork.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Shout out to everybody in the chat I'm glad y'all
chilling the chat man. This is so big. He's probably right,
He's probably right there those yeah glasses. You have to
cheer with the analogies. No, the analogies get it done you.
It's how you teach. You gotta be able to communicate.
Uh gyra Sharie wait, I thought Pie was about Drake somewhat,

(01:28:14):
Daylight said, I think no, pie is about Dot. I'm
sure it got some Drake in there, but it's about Dot.
Shout out to just Ryan from Nola. Most of you
have never been in New Orleans, but somehow you were
cultured and annoying where Marty Grass was. And it's what
WODI means. But we are. It doesn't mean we're a
part of New Orleans street urban culture. Like, yeah, just

(01:28:35):
because I eat Mexican food, I'm not Mexican. I can
dress like a cholo. I'm not a cholo. There are
cultural things that have to take place for that to work.
There are people outside of Mexican people that are solos.
There are black people that are soolos. I got homies,
that's cholos. That's black. So again, it's not race. Culture
is something that you just live. It's how you live. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Was peg Leg he was like Eastern European, that's true,
was he?

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Hitler wasn't even German exactly, he was Jewish.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
He was Austrian, Yeah, exactly. Cheris Drake is acting, that's it,
and he's doing a fantastic job. He was, But the
dig is up. He's out of law in order Toronto.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
Just Ryan is going crazy. Just Ryan is saying some stuff.
He said Glass, he said, believing, believe this kind of believing.
Believe in this conversation, we are finding ways to be ostracized.
This isn't really about inclusion. It's about making something stronger
than already exists. It exists by excluding. It's not about
excluding Ryan, at least not from my standpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Ryan, Listen, listen, Chop jewel on listen. Let me let
me tell you why this is important.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
And I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Man, as human beings, we all want to be included.
I mean, that's just a standard thing, right, You want
to be a part of something just because you like it.
But let me tell you what happens, Ryan, when you
let that happened?

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Rock and roll in this country was created by people
that look like me and Twine.

Speaker 4 (01:30:07):
Sister, Rosetta Thart. It was a black woman, right, Rosetta Thark.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
And it was something you did, just like jazz was
created by people that look like me and Twine.

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
And it's something you did, it's something you live, it's
something you love and you did it. And guess what
they financed the business. Right, somebody comes in and say, hey,
there's some business. You know what I mean, there are
some things that there's business to be made from this culture, right,
And then guess what, They start to market it, and

(01:30:41):
people love it. They decide I love it, I want
to consume it, and some people outside of it decide, hey,
I want to even take part of it. I like
how it makes me feel listening to it, and I
feel this way, right, And then those people who don't
look like me, maybe they look like Pete, maybe they
look like somebody else, they start to do it. And

(01:31:02):
then the national scene or the international scene of people
start to relate into people that look like because they
think it could be them. And next thing you know,
you wake up and now there's nobody that looks like
me or Twine in rock and roll getting any major budgets.
There's nobody that looked like me and Twine that can

(01:31:23):
get a major budget. In jazz, they have to look
like Kenny g. That's the reason why you have to
be careful with just allowing everybody to have anything, because
there's people who will start to exclude people because of it.
So you have to exclude to have some level of
inclusion for the poor people. It was created for it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
And one thing is interesting, just like observationally about that
twenty like the twentieth century evolution of musicals, genres and
styles that like Black culture like really kind of move
from one to the next to the next the next,
And hip hop has had the longest lasting sort of phase.
If you were to go chronologically, jazz is maybe twenty

(01:32:05):
thirty years up and out of the like forty plus
forty five years, you know, without it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
But if you looking at it, But if you looking
at it, Pete, look at what's happening. Look at even
the person we're talking about, sure to look at what's
going on. You're seeing it slowly slip away because you
know what happens. No, No, the financial budgets don't make
sense for people that look like me and Twine no more.
It makes sense for a Jewish man that can use

(01:32:32):
the N word. I get no, no, no, I get
I know, you get it. I'm just saying, so as
much as it looked like it's still strong, it's already fractured.
It's already broken. You see what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Yeah, I'm just saying, like it's it's interesting. It's a
deviation a bit from trend that, like organically, by now
I would have expected, like if I'm looking at the
previous cycles, like by now, organically inner city black communities
would have just like created a whole new genre and
moved off like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
They are though stuff happening like Travis. What Travis Scott
does is not hip hop, you know, I mean, and
people don't know it shit. It just hasn't spawned its
own genre. It's like rock and roll from the blues,
the same but yeah it's different, right, And same thing
with Liuzzi. Lil Uzzi doesn't make hip hop and they're
saying it and people won't even classify their records correctly

(01:33:33):
because they're so certain. If you look like me a
twine and you happen to use rap, I mean, then
you're hip hop. And these guys are saying, no, man,
we're rocking. One guy saying, hey, I'm a rock star.
He's making rock music, yes, And he's making music and
he has a right to define the music he makes.

(01:33:54):
He's defining the music he makes. He don't want to
be put in the box, and people know he did
wanted to be putting the box. You want to be
a rock star, and they're putting him in this box
like they do puff when he puffed, Come on, t back,
rapper puff. That's the one thing he did to Lisa.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
He was an.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Executive for years. Why not? Why not the executive puff?

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Rapper puff?

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
Why not the executive puff? Liquor executive puff?

Speaker 4 (01:34:23):
Why is it raped?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Because it should be the real thing, It should be
serial entrepreneur comes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Not because again, Rapper is nigger.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I was I was gonna say it a little more softly,
but I was gonna say rapper is sort of a
mainstream media way of being like nigger, non.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Big nigger, nigger puff daddy, nigger puff daddy. Today was
accused of buying too much pussy bigger nigger puff Daddyeah
a thousand bottles of loo.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Not nothing, non classically achieved wealthy black guy Sean Combs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
That would sound fire. Hey, people know what they're and
you know why they don't want to do that melody.
You're possibly not guilty, but if you attach Rapper to it, guilty, that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Is that's some crazy ship the boy when you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Rapper, that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Guy who got in between some sting chorus lines. Fifteen,
twenty five years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Yeah, guy who Love Daddy wrote, Guy who Biggie wrote
some Nope songs for Guy who executive. They can't say
a producer, you know, they don't rapper is nigga career
because it's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
Isn't like therapy for you to say that, you know
what it is reference ninja.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
It's it's therapeutic to really realize how mainstream America looks
at us. It always reminds me you just.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
Woke me up when you say that. I knew that
it was always you just brought it to the front to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
The court today. That's oh, then, just Ryan for to
know you want to text somebody excluding other people from
taking over. No, I just want people to be the
genuine article. That's all I want. I just want people
to be the genuine article. That's all I asked for it. No,
it gotta be the he heart he he are. Because

(01:36:46):
we don't say rapper. We say rapper, but they say
rapper puff. That's just a simple way to say nigga.
Why they don't say liquor brand exec Because.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
A thing is a whole.

Speaker 4 (01:37:03):
Yeah, I don't say that, that's a whole broader I
despise the words. So I've I've divorced the word many.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
No, no, not not not not not not not not
that I don't have that word.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Like I just saying the hard e R like eight times,
and every time you say that you smile. That's really
how he was, Like like he was that therapy or something.
He was like bigger that that face right there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
Maybe like you get excitement from saying that ship you
know what excites me to really realize this is how
they feel. That's real, bro, I love to see the truth.
You broke it up now reminded like, oh you're really
still be on the bush. Woke it up? Nigger Puff Dog.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
Rapper?

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Puff Daddy'd be like, Puff is not a fucking rapper.
None of us thinks Puff is a rapper.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Coincidentally, both of them had to have a hard e
R at the end of them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Rapper, you're what I'm telling you, y'all think I'm tripping
up standard dancer for sure? You got exactly why didn't
say ex Dancer puff Daddy because dancer don't work as
good as rapper?

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
How about x X dancer puff daddy Dan?

Speaker 4 (01:38:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Why not dancer puff Daddy?

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Where do y'all find me? What do y'all find these comebacks?

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
What do y'all find I'm just saying, Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
It's Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Bro, I'm just saying, with a hard y producer, puff
producer puff sound to Phil Spector, you might get yeah,
you might get off, you might do. Rapper going to jail.
It's because because it's constantly being said, like it's constantly
as a jury.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Ci rapper did that was murder mistake. He should have
done murder and not the hard r on murder for sure.
And then oh he took that way too seriously, like,
oh my god, of course he did it. This blas
used a hard r.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
He must not be metaphorical murdered. Yes, he did it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
His name is wanted us to know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
That's how that's how the white people really feel crazy murder. Yes,
he murdered somebody murder.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Why would you?

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Why else would you artistic?

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
It would have been a name, but this is literal.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
Hey, why else would you name yourself murder if you
don't believe in murder? Yeah, nigger puff, that ship's classic
coach connection. You're right, Miles Davis hated to turn hated
every time, just like he didn't name it gainst the rap.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yeah, he hated them. He didn't name it against the rap.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
But they put a title Gangster rap exact exactly, like
we gotta make sure it's gangster. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
Again the hard e R bro all these The more
and more you say these words, the more and more
we revisit these words. That e R just persistent. Is
this something about that hard e R? Oh nor hard?

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
That's a hard song?

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Hard e R?

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
As if there's a thousand p diddies running around, they
don't really have to preface it with rapper exactly. I
guess another like it's another motherfucker named Diddy, rapper Diddy.
They love to drop that rapper in front of me.
A nigga have one song, they'd be like, rapper this bro,
he is not a rapper, Bro, he has one rap song. Yeah,
they like rapper. They love that bro.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Dog woke it up on Vanilla Musical Journeyman.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Say that entrepreneur, construction builder, former former former rapper.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Substance rehabilitated, Vanilla Ice business, Mogil.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Business, the god for that name.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
I'm done bro.

Speaker 1 (01:41:02):
Oh for sure, he's gifted from here man. So look, man,
we foul get up out of here. We're gonna wrap
it up. Click the link in the bio. Make sure
y'all click the link in the bio. Subscribe to No
Silings the podcast on Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get
your podcasts. Executive produced by Charlemagne to God, Lack Effects
Network and iHeart the Conglomerate. Yes, the iHeart is financing

(01:41:26):
me to talk this way so again. Click the link
in the bio. We back here Monday at noon. Thank
you trying again, Squishy Squishy one laugh, oh man, Squishy,
I love you for that. Shout out to Squishy. Y'all
got me gone laughing. Go on upside, y'all, Combo man, Squishy,
Thank y'all for that five dollars. That is Hella player,

(01:41:47):
that's hell a player. David Jones, this is a Moondock's episode.
It really is. Bro Absolutely, Ja co did the right thing.
He's still better than ninety nine percent of the rappers
out there, and he's still a duck port. He's a
duck dusts in the chat for J Cole. Ducks at
the barbecue. When we leave, y'all fill up the chat

(01:42:07):
with ducks for J Cole.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Please, oh Man at the barbecue or we're gonna have
to have hard r burgers.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Bugger. We want to bugger a burger, a burger bugger. Yeah,
oh was the only kind bugger. Please ducks in the
chat before we get a body. I need ducks in
the chat. Shout out to me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I agree with everything y'all said on today's show. We're
trying to make sense. DUTs in the chat before we leave.
Let's get a bunch of fucking ducks in the chat.
Chat for J Cole. Ducks in the chat for J Cole.
Super Chat Ducks for J Cole, Ducks. Ducks. Ducks. Makes
y'all share them ducks. Make sure y'all share the mother
fucking ducks. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
In the words of the immortal poet still he let
NOAs down.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Yeah, we out looking out for tuning into the No
Sillers podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate commentist share.
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