More Conversations About Latinos And The “N” Word

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up And welcome back to another episode of No
Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
loaw glasses Malone. That's how we start in Black History month.
Out My Man Jobs Intellectually Petty Radio. Make sure y'all

(00:23):
check out that if you hear the No Sellers podcast.
My Man Jobs here Intellectually Petty Radio. I brought my
brother Trap Trap is from New York City, Queens to
be specific, when we come to Borough conversation. To double
back on the conversation, because I felt like the last
time meet Jobs and Pete talked Jobs made me feel

(00:51):
like I was the only person that this type of
camaraderie happened with to people from different nationalities that came
up in the same community. And I'm sure Jobs, you
understand that New York has the same things or a
level of congruency that happens with different nationalities and different

(01:15):
ethnicities that culturally represent the same thing in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So trap me job, Trap me job. So you had
time job to you had time job to, uh to
digest our first conversation. Is there any flex at all?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm not asking you the flex on who you allowed
to use the N word. That is not what I'm asking.
I'm saying, do you have any understanding on exactly what
I was saying based off of our prior conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Oh, I get it, I get the proximity, I get
the culture aspect, I get to growing up. I just
think that, like I said last time, it's not that
part per se. It is the arrogance to feel like
all niggas think the same. I don't have that same
background you've got. I didn't grow up next to whomever

(02:21):
or whoever the people I grew up next to look
like me. So my ownership of certain things is completely
different culturally in some aspects than yours of my man's
in New York, because you'll experience growing up is different.
There's certain foods that aren't being transferred between my community

(02:45):
and another community. There's certain you know, slang, certain ways
that you treat people, you know, certain rules in that
particular community. We ain't got that. So I don't feel
like I should have to deal with somebody from the
community coming to my community and say a nigga.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
No no, I'm not saying again like when we first
did the POD, I wasn't trying to convince you to say,
hey man, there's a space where you should let somebody
of Latino origin call you. Then word that they may
not be your w word. I was expressing to you
how it happens for me. Trap why do y'all let

(03:21):
it's even y'all left? The Latinos in New York said like, what,
what's a fair way to even?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Nah? So, so basically it's I mean, if someone's if
someone's raised upon your community with you, you know what
I'm saying, y'all, And y'all go through y'all don't been
through the same struggles, you know what I'm saying, And
and and basically you could look upon them as being
you know what I'm saying, your brother or so like that,
and y'all using the same language that y'all all using

(03:49):
the same language basically, you know what I'm saying. So,
so when they when they they not just they're not
just looking upon us and calling us you know what
I'm saying that and or nothing like that. They're calling
you know what I'm saying, that the person who looked
like them or or you know what I'm saying, They
surrounding everybody's surrounding. It's becomes a part of the language

(04:09):
that we all using at that time, you know what
I'm saying. So it's it just looked upoint like that though. Really,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's that's basically
what it is though. Really, But I but I can
understand why people people from the outside that's not from
the community that we're from, you know what I'm saying,

(04:30):
don't speak the same language that we speak, could look
at it like, you know, you got that person right
there using that using that that that word that that
our people have been held back with and been called
from all these years and stuff like that. I can
understand how somebody that's not from the community looks at
looks a point like that though. But but at the
same time, I look at it, you know what I'm saying.
It's things that I'm gonna look at that they that

(04:53):
they do upon their community with their you know what
I'm saying, with their surroundings a certain way though too.
So I don't knock it though. It's that is.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
When community becomes a real thing and not just this
justified time to talk about Black America. When it's when
it stopped when it truly becomes community, not so much
Black America that's referenced as the black community. Pete, have
you digested anything since our first conversation with jobs about this,
Have you thought about it at all any thoughts?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Yeah, it's still I mean, really it's it to me,
is more so just a matter of scale and and
what defines the word community and who's doing the defining.
It's very subjective in that space.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I'm not sure if it's bluntly speaking, white political interests
or just the organic black individuals within Black America, the
cells that want to try to lump all of Black
America into easy to access group, you know, So like

(06:04):
it can be a little bit of that to some
of it is maybe one, some of it is maybe
the other. It just depends on how each individual wants
to go about his day.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I agree with that. I definitely think we hear black
community and that's the normal standard. And like I've stopped
people from saying that to me. A guy on Twitter
said to me weirdly, he was talking about doctor Dre,
and doctor Dre was saying how he understood why Kendrick
went to the next level in the battle. He said,
he's normally about pushing positivity, but he can understand. Once

(06:36):
the owl referenced his wife and his child, you know
what I mean in a song, and he understood why.
He was like yo, adios, like it's off with his
head and people. Obviously these are people that are part
of the parliament. Again, like I said, a group of
owls as a parliament, I mean like like a flock
of seagulls or a murder of crows or heard of.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
You know, no doubt we learned something every day. Messing
with that, right. I read.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
I read all the time, so I'm sober and I'm
reading all the time. Then I send it to peat
and humor him.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I mean on the Serengetti Pride months is really just
about the lions there.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
It is there. It is my man when it comes
down to it.

Speaker 6 (07:21):
So those sealings, those zealings glasses below executer Bos got
my brother jobs again, my brother trap go ahead jobs.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
There. There's there's macro culture and then there's micro culture.
But but what I mean by that that there are
certain things that I could go to New York right
now and hang out with my man, and there will
be some things that we would just annoyingly have in common.
That would be our macro culture black culture.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Give me some ideas of black culture every day.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
If I walked into his apartment and I smelled hair burning,
I would know exactly what that was. If I walked
if I walked in there and I smelled some greens cooking,
and I don't even like greens, I would know exactly
what that was.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
But you don't. You don't think that we're kind of
using something that macro that's probably not macro. Like we're
still speaking on specific experiences for some black people, Like
greens is not a standard in black people's life, Like
that's more of an again, like I said, to be specific,
an American slave cultural experience. I'm sure if somebody's family

(08:35):
wasn't a part of slavery in his country, I don't
know if they ever had greens.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
That's probably small portion than it isn't though.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's exactly. Yeah, somebody walk in your house and says, oh,
I don't know a black person, I don't know what
greens are. I've never heard of that before. You're gonna
tell me your antennas don't go up about this particular
black person and something right with them. You may not
like greens, you may not eat them, but you ain't
never heard of no motherfucking greens.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
And you're black. But wouldn't every American probably heard of
greens at that point?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
You don't think white people heard of greens.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
There are some white people that have. There are white
people that love greens.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
No, no, no, not. Obviously they're to.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Utah, and ask the white people in Utah about greens.
They don't know nothing about it.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
I think in my generation, and I could that could
be speaking to a whole lot of time ignorance. But
I feel like a lot of aspects of some of
the more insular nuances of black culture got made mainstream.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I agree, more.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
So in the last twenty years.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Again, it could be wrong, so that might be a
different answer now than it was then.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
But I get the point the sentiment.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, But what I'm saying to jobs is this goes
back into that same thing where we are speaking Macro.
He's right, right, like the mo your population are definitely
descendants of some level of American slavery at some place. Absolutely,
But again it starts to ostracize the people who aren't,

(10:13):
And to me, that's where like, I'm careful, that's why
I try not to use black cultures in that regard.
I get it, most of us that I know are
the descendants of some level of the American slave trade.

Speaker 7 (10:30):
And I'll put it this way.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Let's say to look at and it's an interesting question.
I'd like to ask jobs this like, you're, you know,
jobs from Detroit. Obviously, so if you were before a
massive population shift of black people from the South into Detroit,
if you were like just black and from Detroit before
then you were never a slave or never a descendant

(10:52):
of people who were a slave. You're then culturally going
to be engulfed by this massive populationlationships of people to
which you would likely assimilate back to the center point
culturally over to generations.

Speaker 7 (11:06):
Is that fair?

Speaker 1 (11:07):
But well, so you would have to but hold up jobs, right,
you would have to go to excuse me, he was
asking you a job. I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Would just agree, yeah, yeah, But I would think.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
If you came from money, there's no reason to assimilate
back into poverty because remember greens is still right now,
soul food is an expensive thing, right now, you gotta
have money of these soul food to be honest, like true,
oxtails caused more than steak.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
But now we're keeping it, were keeping it on the
on the on the greens thing. They don't they don'e
took greens and like they don't made it into something
that everybody's experiencing that I'm saying, it's Americans.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
It's transformed into the delicacy realm.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, American America slave culture is very much Maria stream
at this point.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Cultures.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But if you walk into the average white people's house
and you say certain things, they won't know what you're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Like which one depending on the location that's I'm like,
what's fun?

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Which words do you feel like you would say that
they would know? In twenty twenty five, with all these
hip hop records and TV shows and films.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Shit, man, I mean parents, Just to be fair, there's
a language out there that I don't know that black.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
But I'm saying, we're talking about Black American, Yo. When
you say black America or black culture, Like, I agree,
your parents are part of a different generation. What is
something Pete would know?

Speaker 7 (12:38):
I'm a bad example. My friends from high school would.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Say, okay, sure, yeah, it's friend from high school that's fair,
not Pete.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
That your friends from high school, Like.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
What do you think we could say that they'd be
Like when.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
I grew up in a very insularly white environment.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Most white people still have no clue with cat means.
Might yeah, that's exactly what they. You know, when you
say no cat, I don't have a hat on.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I know you think somebody thirty would know what no
cap means. As a white person, most white people.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
First off, when you think of white people, you think
of white people that are in your proximity.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Pete is the only white person in my proximity.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
With what I'm saying, in your proximity, I mean like
there are white people that you'll come across in California,
but if you drive across this country, most of the
white people live in Utah, in Nevada, in Colorado. That no,
the motherfuckers have no clue. My bad.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's a good song, it is.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
The motherfuckers have no clue with no cat means.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
But you don't think at that point that's something that's
an Internet slang versus black culture slang.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
But the Internet works on algorithms, so you could be
separate from that.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
At that point if you're tuned into it. Wouldn't that
be the like no cap is a hip hop word?

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, I think a lot of that. I think a
lot of things that people.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
White communities just based off of algorithms and my own
personal social isolation and whatnot, that I don't know about.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like what's something happened in the white America that we
don't know about?

Speaker 5 (14:24):
I don't know. Probably I can't answer to what I
don't know. But when I'm around they're talking about ship,
I don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I just I just think, Look, I don't even want
to God, I don't even want to do that. What
I'm to your point, jobs, I'm saying, I'm not trying
to convince you why anybody else should use the N
word around you. I think that's the point of how

(14:57):
we all grew up, right. I just think it's just
weird to guys it under a level of culture that
specific thing, right, it is to a degree, But it's
that word specifically, and it's different because you're right, we
talked about it. Who grows up in Detroit besides just
straight up brothers.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I mean, now it's a little bit more diverse. But
for the most part, Like, especially when I was growing.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Up, y'all to have anything except slaves, people that.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
In Arabs, like Detroit. The Detroit area has the biggest
population of Arabics in the country.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Okay, what about ghetto Arabic people? Do they live in
the ghetto?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Ye live amongst each other?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
No? Not really, well a little bit now, Like on
the fringes of there's the city called Dearborn, and that's
kind of like, you know, their home base. But on
the fringes of Dearborn and Detroit, you're seeing, especially over
the last ten, maybe twenty years, more intermingling of similar
financial bas.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I'm truly jobs that you just really got to grow
up black. That has to be fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's just an experience that you don't see very often
in this country in a major city.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
But I also feel like that also kind of while
I am jealous of that experience and I wish I
had it, I also realized how un American kind of
that happens, you know what I mean, Like like you
kind of don't know anything outside of that. Like again,
like there is a cultural difference that I learned from

(16:37):
I didn't really interact with white people growing up as
much until I got towards high school, but Mexican people
my whole life. So like you could see the melting
pot not just from like a like from a like
we said, like from a macro like. You didn't see
it far apart. You saw it up close and personal.
So you can see how these communities could be, you know, intertwine,

(17:01):
you know, woven together culturally where they live the same way.
So you could And I think that's the kind of
the point of America, right, or at least that's the
make belief point, is that they want a melting pot
of people to come together and create this great place.
So I think when we're saying this, it's just I

(17:24):
understand why California can go to New York and New
York and come to California and pretty much just assimilate
in with it. None of it is going to take
you by storm versus where like I said, you're right
when I go to Detroit, when I go to Atlanta,
you know what I mean, for the most part, like
these are really dominant black towns, and like I said,

(17:45):
as much as I'm jealous of it, it also kind
of makes the world look crazy to you. Like you know,
you probably see racism like it's some distant thing weirdly,
you know what I mean, Like, how could you really
like do you think you experienced racism in your face? Often?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So, like you know what I mean. Was the Detroit police
black in the eighties and nineties, Yes, Like, yeah, I
didn't ever see a black police You've probably seen that
one time, Like growing up, Like, I didn't even see
that many black police. I see more than now, but
I didn't see them as much. Growing up. Police were
pretty much always white in Mexican.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
In the eighties, it was more white cops than you
see now, definitely, Like the numbers have shifted remarkably now
to represent more than the population.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Kham.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know, but like when I went to court, you
know in the prosecutor was black, the judge was black.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Oh, you probably got real justice close.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Now, black police was.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Just the worst fact, but you still got closer.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
But you got closer to what justice is supposed to
be facts.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
That's fire, low key trap. Yeah, so you couldn't even
scream at the Bible. You're only doing this because I'm
a black man, like nigga shut up and.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
May and may actually say that like like, let's say
you go from Watts to Beverly Hills, h the way
you behave changes. May it may not be a lot,

(19:25):
but but you change a little bit based on the
cultural surroundings and the expectations of that culture that that
you're in currently. And that'd be my problem with with
with Latinos wanting to say nigga everywhere. Just because you
were in one community that allowed that doesn't mean that
every nigga you see is good with that. And if

(19:45):
there is somebody black that is not good with that,
you should you should accommodate that. And the arrogance of
people like Fat Joe to be like, no niggad I've
been saying nigga since since whenever. That's got nothing to
do with me, bruh. You should accommodate those people that
you know that are out there, the black people you

(20:06):
say you love so much. You should accommodate those shitload
of people that don't like you saying that word.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think it depends on how you speak with somebody too.
I think there's a natural thing when it comes to
people that come from our walker life, from the ghetto,
where I think if people would have sat down with
Fat Joe and had an intelligent conversation expressed so forth
and so on, versus approach of like which I get
it too, Like I'm not mad at that. Like if

(20:36):
you're a brother from Detroit and you like nigga, don't
say that to me, then I get it for me.
But I also feel like you probably could have got
a lot more done if you expressed him. Because again,
remember these people like a Mexican person from where I'm from,
or a Cuban or Puerto Rican person that's from New York, right,
they're going to not they don't have the history on blackness.

(20:57):
Why this word is the word it is. These are
not simple things that are talked about all the time.
It's just the way people talk. Then as people get older,
they start to realize sometimes they don't need a job,
like sometimes people from the community really don't. They like
they get a culture shock when they go somewhere else
and be like that's their introduction to it, or they

(21:19):
meet somebody who's uncomfortable with it.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Maybe well, either one of two things, your community doesn't
love that Hispanic person as much as they say they do,
or they would teach them the rules and regulations outside
of the walls of your community, or that person just
an asshole and don't care. But when you go elsewhere
that that attitude may catch up with you.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Sure, But it's also like multifaceted. I mean, I think
if we were I think if black people in every
ghetto were more kind of national base in their blackness, right,
it's like they probably wouldn't be doing saying it, or
you know, we wouldn't have the same problem. I mean,
poverty does become hella restrictive. So if I can understand

(22:04):
how a nigga in Detroit would feel about certain things,
maybe I'm not even fighting with the niggas the next
street over. I mean, it probably would dilute the power
that poverty is, you know what I mean, that the
burden it is. I'm sorry, Pete, I don't say.

Speaker 7 (22:19):
Like there's two sides of the coin.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
There's like obviously from your guys perspective, it's it's as
the listener the rationale, like as the recipient on the
side of the conversation, and also kind of like on
the the speaker side, which would be from the Mexican
person's perspective, And it's like, I'm not Mexican so like
it's much different for say, like white people than like

(22:42):
the like the third category races in the country, Like
you're neither black nor white, you're everybody else in between.
So I can see where they might foresee it as
like if you say it's like you know, an endearment term,
you carry that with you. It's more like I'm in
hearing to your community universally.

Speaker 7 (23:02):
You might get it wrong, but like from.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
My own personal experience, like I that's not agenda item
or goal of mine to be able to do that.
I know for a fact I have a good portion
of my friends. Wouldn't blink. I know I have a
good portion of my friends. Would make me blink.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
I know.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I got a white homie that and said that's where
I'm where you're from. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
But again, most of the time we don't really have
but they I know, I know some. I know a
dude in Chicago we talked about it before.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Sure, I just wonder, like, okay, as the speaker, my
point of view, and it's just me. I'm just like
one one guy. I know what that's all about. I'm
friends with you. I've had I've been to your mother
and your grandmother's home. They have a different life experience

(23:46):
from the time frame and history where they grew up.
Like trying to be cool or be friendly or folks
or whatever, to me takes a back seat to respecting history.

Speaker 7 (23:57):
That's just me.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
So I don't know why another speaker. I mean I understand,
I know why another speaker. I think it's a fair question,
like what's the rational as to why the another speaker
would not give deference to that same kind of perspective.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
But everybody has their own.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Also, people could be ignorant on history, true, I mean
that's that's that's a really you'd have to.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
Be really ignorant on history.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Like really, we just did a stream, right, and we're
having jobs. Shout out to everybody listening to those Seilings podcasts.
We're having jobs here all four episodes of Black History Mom,
because jobs is like nitt, he is the mascot of me.
You know what I'm saying, Like, don't get no blacker
than Detroit, my boy? You feel me? So this is

(24:42):
how we want. We're gonna tackle different street urban black
cultural things in conversations. But it goes back to the
conversation trap. We were just having on the stream where
there's an ignorance that people are not really giving credence
to like of course everybody, don't they made know that
that word would used to demean somebody, but they don't

(25:03):
quite understand how the word is policed. They don't. They
don't get it. So it's like, but I get it,
I get it. Go ahead, trapp.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
So so this is this is what I what I've
come to understand though and realize that that us as
black people, we were holding on to that word so
so daily and we want to because I and that time,
I don't know if don't make get married. Now at
the time, I feel like being a black person that
some people feel like that's the only thing we got
is that is that one thing we won't let anybody

(25:35):
else use the word and ship like that you know
what I'm.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Saying, And I don't.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
And I hate when people put like you said, police
the word and make sure they go who could say
it and who can't say it and stuff like that.
I agree within that, I agree within that right there,
and I don't and and with them like saying, I don't,
I don't feel like.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
It's a such thing as like giving somebody a past
to use it and all that like that.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't agree
with them.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
I'm saying I don't feel like but I feel like
we're holding on to that too, moch But.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Again, we don't even give people a past. Either grow
up with us talking this way or you don't.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
But that's giving people a past.

Speaker 7 (26:17):
Well, you said it's a word like policing.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
What it's not a past. It's not a past because
you don't quite understand what the word is. Right, growing up,
I didn't understand what the word meant. Like I connected
a few things, but the first person to call me
a nigga was my dad and my mom. Like this
is before five, right, I remember it. It's not like disrespectful.
It's just like I remember hearing this word. Then you

(26:40):
go to school and you're informed that this specifically connotation,
that this word was used as a demeaning term. You
still don't correlate how it became a term of endearment.
That actually never happens, you know what I mean? That
only happens if you pursue knowledge. Right, in nine percent
of the people using that word. It don't matter which

(27:03):
color they are. They don't have any understanding of how
that term became the way we use it today. So
I for sure know if most of us, right, people
that are black people descend as a slave in this
country that use that term, right, I'm sure people outside
of it don't understand how it became what it is.

(27:24):
So it's no past jobs. It's how people talk. Right.
You could hear the er and the A growing up, right.
You can hear the difference if somebody reference you with
the hearty, are you like that's not cool?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Right?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
But then if somebody used the term a with it right,
you know it? So you don't. You don't even flinch.
Like the first time I heard shout out to my
homebade Francisco from from a Cajun block like Francisco us it.
I never flinched. Twice it was like, what's up, nigga?
You know what I mean? This is seven and eight?
What a nigga? What's up?

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Nigga? Like?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know what I mean? You don't. I don't see
him different. They don't get me wrong. I know he
he's a Mexican person, but that quite doesn't mean anything
right here, like that, don't do you?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Do you really hear the difference between the A and
the E R. I don't hear.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, because the people who's saying it. It depends on
who's saying it. That's what I can understand. If it's
an A R E R in it, THU. So when
you say it, I don't know if it's an A
E R in this ship, I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Know somebody saying I can hear it.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
The whole question for the panel outcome wise, would you
agree or disagree with me that if I'm in strange
company that is black, I don't. I would not expect
the outcome to make much to be much different. Yeah,
the other guys, would you other also to think that

(28:52):
they would not.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Somebody gonna see you, Pete, and it's gonna be a
million ques. You're right because you are the exact opposite
end of the spectrum to most people. But what I'm
saying the jobs is when Job's saying it is a past,
I'm telling him you don't realize it's a past until
you get into these conversations even this deep, or unless
you're researching what this specific words. So, yeah, you were

(29:14):
taught that white people specifically, slavers use this word as
a term of ownership over people, right, and then as
a term to mean somebody.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
You know that. But if somebody is talking to you
in your whole life, somebody is using as a term
of endearment, then you start to separate the two ways
the word is used.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Right now, what I'm telling you, I don't give a fuck.
I'm not saying.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
What a four episode commitment.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
This is definitely what to promote jobs crying go ahead, job, I.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Motherfuckers know, and I don't care if you white, green, purple,
or whatever. To not walk in somebody's house and call
somebody's mama bitch. Culturally, I don't need to give you
a tutorial on it. You don't need a dissertation. It's
not a book. You know. There is a high probability
of getting fucked up if you walk into somebody else's

(30:20):
house and call it mama bitch. These people they're saying nigga,
know that there are other black people that are not
cool with that, and they to do it anyway. They
not ignorant. Yeah, but I just learn.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think they learn jobs. I think they learn that later, Like,
it's not like in our community. There are some black
people like, man, I don't let that mess and call
me nick. That ain't necessarily what's being said in our community.
Like when I'm talking about content and watch that. There
some people are, but everybody isn't some of us, like

(30:55):
I don't think Peanut shout out to ma Way thirteen
shout out to Shout out to Peanut, door Nail, shout
out to Crawford. None of us ever said to shout
out to Mark. None of us ever said that to Francisco.
They don't call me nigga, like nobody none of us
said that. So where would he get his first experience?
He didn't get it at school, right, because we gonna
all go to school with Mexican people, right, and they

(31:16):
got meskin homies, right. And then he didn't get it
from high school because the high school got meskin people
who grew up with black people, right. And then they said,
so where does he get the first lesson in the
conversation until he grown? He has to tell grown?

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Right, that video that I that that that I that
dude put out last week, though it was a Mexican
dude he put the shit out, and I understood that.
I think he broke down the best way. He was
like he said that, he said, you don't you don't
see black people going around calling themselves I'm saying, talking
to man and call him an essay.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
For these lines you called some essay. No, but I
have black homies who grew up in Mexican communities that
talked just like the Cholos.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
And what's the history of the word that said are
also in the same breath. It's like, it's but mindus
the word I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
You talk the way you talk the way people around
you talk. So there's this belief that black people are
gonna have this natural soul being in the middle of
a bunch of white people. That shit dumb. Of course
you don't. Of course you're not gonna add this swag
and style and this lingo. Why would you learn it.
It don't come with just being black. None of this
shit we doing come with being black. Yeah, you have

(32:26):
a style being black, but every this lingo is being
intertwined with other people in said community. Nobody black is
sitting up in Beverly Hills coming up with slang that
we're using in Watts or content. They're or South Central.
They're not Inglewood. They're not coming up with that if
they grew up in Inglewood, if you grew up in
Newport Beach with Pete, the brothers that surfing grew up

(32:47):
and that's the culture they talk like the fucking white
people that serf. So again it's a stat I'm not
they smoke weed out of bunks. Yes, period. Yeah, some
white shit out to know me Jerry, because Jerry, we
are pump. But I'm saying these are cultural things jobs.
I am not. Again, I have to keep stressing this.

(33:09):
I am not trying to advocate for you or anybody
in this podcast. If you are a Mexican and that
ain't how you talk, you hear this man has a
problem with it, Please don't reference in that way. Please
be careful who you're talking to. I'm saying, I'm defending
the position of where people are at culturally and in
our lives. Me and Trap. When is the first time

(33:30):
you thought that Joe heard somebody complain about him using
in wordy went south for so?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I bet you, I bet you. Everybody that looks like
Pete in Peach's neighborhood is fully aware of whether someone
has told them or not not to go to the
middle of Compton and say nigga.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Because he's not from the middle of Compton. What about
the people that look like Pete that's from the middle
of Compton.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
But my point is is that your community has done
you a dish surface. If you who are not black
and using the terminology to which we are speaking of,
if they don't tell you that yo here is one thing.
But when you go across the.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Way, But how would they tell them? How could a
poor person tell somebody's about you get what I'm saying.
How restrictive culture is right, The reason we needed, the reason,
the necessity, the reason that's invented is because of the
fact that we don't have the freedom to move about
the cabin. If listen, Josh, if we were all that informed,

(34:31):
like let's say black people want to talk about me
and trap specifically right, because we have friends that are
not black that use the term right. Most of my
friends now see you bother everybody, so they don't even
want to even use it to me, which is fine.
I don't care, Like you know, you still my nigga,
but you don't want to use it. I'm tragic is
like that he don't want to use it. I respect
him because he got explained to on the internet, right,

(34:51):
But what I'm saying to you is it's kind of
not fair to ask poor people to be so aware
of Detroit, because if they were fully aware of what
people felt in Detroit, then probably the problems that we have, right, Gangs, tribes,
all that stuff wouldn't exist if we were that connected
to each other's life fully. Like I just explained to
somebody today, like on the stream, which we're gonna do

(35:14):
a podcast on the not this Tuesday coming up, but
the following Tuesday about gang banging, where people keep saying
I romanticized gang banging because I can put it into context.
That's crazy. But again, but that's only based.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
On I'm telling you, man, I was about to jump
off the porch last week myself around.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I hate that y'all made me.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
You said, you want to.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Explaining is justifying something that standard? But I was explaining
to them. I was explaining to them.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
I would say, it's fair to say it's rationalizing, it's
defining a rationale.

Speaker 7 (35:53):
Yes, that's it, but that's that's that's a very gray
area to an.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Audience glory and rationale.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Yes, as a listener, it's very slippery.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Only if you come in with an ignorant position of
what you think.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You know who.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
That's what the audience is.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
So why should I cater to their not knowledge? It's
because you're giving them but I'm giving them. But I'm
giving them.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
To And you're arsing from the point of you believing
you're right.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
No, no, I'm arguing from facts. I don't think I'm
right or wrong. There's nothing to be right or wrong
about jobs. It's just fact. Like this conversation, here are
the facts. I don't give you my position. I'm giving
you a fact. Here's a fact. When do you think
the first time Fat Joe? Most likely I can't give
a fact on that, but I'm saying to you it's

(36:44):
a fact. It's probably later in his life.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
I think he'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Because I think if Fat Joe would have went two
buildings down or to the two rooms two hours down,
and most black people say, don't call me any wordy,
he probably wouldn't be using.

Speaker 5 (36:58):
It in like this when I say it's slippery and
it's gray, like when I glory. Yeah, just just just
rationale for decision making and something because there's there's the facts,
and then there's the interpretive rationale of or the rationale
of the interpretation of the facts right as to the
decision making process, Like when I talk about my life

(37:21):
and my rationale for why I make Like Malcolm, I
get into this all the time. Sure he thinks that
I have had maybe more bad luck than I would
say bad decision making. From a ratio standpoint, I think
everything in my life is the result of my own
bad decisions. So I can ration that lies what I
did and why I made the decision at the time.
But I do so through the prism of saying this

(37:45):
was wrong and in spite of the fact that my
calculus was blank based off of these variable factors, I
was an idiot for looking at it that way and
I was wrong. And here's the I'm reaping the fallout
of this sequence of bad decisions.

Speaker 7 (37:58):
So it has to do with the on in the presentation.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
I'm not saying you should do that. I'm just saying
from a listener standpoint, speaker audience relationship wise.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But so you would have to concede. Well, most people,
and I usually say this, and people get mad when
I say this, But most people don't have conversation and
good faith. Good faith would have to be conceived that
you're ignorant when it comes to game banging. Right, you
can kind of only know the Hollywood jobs. Right jobs
would only know the Hollywood version of it. He doesn't
quite know what it is. But he would have to

(38:28):
come into the conversation understanding that he has a very
bare minimum understanding or a belief of what's happening. But
the problem is people are culturally entitled because they have
rap songs, because they have films, and they have access
to internet and some level of.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
There's a big delta in what the starting point knowledge
is and what the starting point knowledge is perceived to
be by the listener.

Speaker 7 (38:52):
Yes, there's a large gap.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
And that's the biggest problem. Right, they come in and
they feel like they get gang banging. That's the first lie.
You don't get it.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
The problemly is, bro is that you are culturally entitled
when it comes to gang banging. My this is my ship.
You can't tell me about my ship.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
It tends to make you minimize killing the motherfucker or
robbing somebody that has.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
That's that's.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
What That's what Glass is saying though, that it comes
along with killing, robbing, and doing a whole bunch of
negative ship other than being looked upon as being you
and your homie. Is that you know what I'm saying, that.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Vive this traumatic experience in this ghetto.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Yeah, that's I think a good point.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Like like Luke was saying, like this comes from like
you know, you're walking home with your friends from school.
You live over there, you're not even put on yet,
and these people over here antagonizing you, attacking you, et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Right, but even the constant but put it on is
like you're from where you're from because these are your friends,
go ahead, but just saying that you hadn't jumped off
the infantry. You're American, but you ain't a part of
the marine. Yeah, so you're.

Speaker 5 (40:12):
So he is saying this is a significant contributing factor
to his decision to be more involved or involved to
the extent that he was involved with that right, sure,
and and and that's fine, and that's and that's reasonable,
and that's rational, and that's I wouldn't blame him for it.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
But in the same conversation. It's also like.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
Why ain't the living fuck are these other people harassing
you when you and your friends are walking home from school?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Because again you go into like history, right, and things
that have happened, breakdowns and communications, issues at parties, issues
and past it.

Speaker 7 (40:48):
And those irrationales.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
But you know, not a great decision to take that
out on kids walking home from school.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
But that's that's normal as being alive. Like when when
the Tali band got upset at whatever they felt America did,
they did not crash planes into the White House. They
went to a place where nobody worked at, the military
was at and they crashed the planes into the buildings

(41:16):
because they said, it didn't matter if you were a
part of the Marines or the Army, or the Navy,
or the National Guards or wherever else. You're Americans. So
we want to make you feel the pain that we
felt here, and that standard amongst humanity, humanity, I am
the type of game member. Why I get my men.

(41:37):
Most men are the type of men that anybody from
your community would do. That standard amongst men, the standard
for America. When they got to get somebody, they don't
be like, you know what them and it's in people
kind of close. That's the belief. The reality isn't all
four of us know that if a couple, you know,

(41:59):
if we're trying to get this hundred people and ten
people gotta go real life, they probably gonna do them
hundred people.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
No, I am not bro.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Not your jobs. You're not going to do any You're
not going to bring harm to anybody. You're not like
a soldier, right, You're like a civilian person who would
protect their house. Right, You're just gonna protect your house.
But I'm saying when it's time to go in advance,
it becomes different.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
But you're you're you're you're saying soldier as if we're
all in this war that you're in.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
No, No, I'm.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Telling you your war has really no no real justification
to the rest of the people in your community.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Neither is Ukraine in Russia.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
They don't. That's why most people don't agree with that shit.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Neither there's World War two.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
A lot of people do not agree with that.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Most people don't. But it's not they don't agree. They
most people are cowards. That's true too, right, it's not
they don't agree with why we're fighting. Like people saw
what trust me when they ran them when they ran
those planes into them towers. Oh, people wanted blood, true,

(43:11):
people wanted blood to the point to where a president.
That happened in two thousand and one. Only reason I
remember because probably one of my top three favorite hip
hop albums came out that day, September eleventh, two thousand
and one, the day of the Blueprint came out. The
President of the United States of America came on television
in twenty twenty one bragging about finally getting the leader

(43:35):
of the game that did that to the Twin Towers.
Twenty years later, it came on and did a whole
telecast like, yeah, we got that son bitch, finally got
him out of here, the head of the Taileman. It's
twenty years later. They never stopped jobs. Now, I'm not
saying that's right or wrong. I'm telling you it definitely

(43:56):
does not make our p life unique. It's not like
we are not in company with pretty much everybody around
the world except the people that don't have a reason
to fight. So I'm not and I'm not trying to
justify or glamorify. I'm just I'm not I'm giving you
the rationale. And then I'm connecting it to other human

(44:17):
experiences that standard in your face.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Firs to reach because it's not people like around the
black from you doing this ship. Nigga's thousands of miles away.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Oh that's different because further away, that's that's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Jo.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I can walk to the store and I have to
worry about the Taliban.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
That's not true. Jobs. Really, they came.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
They came to New York.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Taliban.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Listen, they came to New York, crashed planes into two
towers in New York.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Before before that that moment, had you heard of the Taliban?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yes, I have, but I am up on stuff that's
not fair. But most people didn't. But I'm telling you that
just because of that. But just because you're ignorant on
America's conflicts and things and people that they have things
going on with, don't mean that they're not happening or
you can't justify them based off your ignorance. And that's

(45:17):
what I'm saying. It's hard to have these conversations if
you won't take into account, you may don't know. And
that's is what I'm telling the peak even in this conversation,
and this is why I said to you, If you
are from Detroit and your town is you don't even
grow up with nobody, then you could not relate. All
you can say is glasses. I know why. I don't
want anybody calling me this. But it's also because you're

(45:40):
ignorant on the dynamic, right, And like I'm saying to
you now, even in that situation we're talking about gangbanging,
which we'll talk about in the next pod, right, is
it's a bunch of people who think they know what's happening.
They have not conceded that they have no idea quite
what's happening. The most they know is crypts wear blue.

(46:00):
But what if I told you jobs all crips don't
wear blue. What if I told you some crips wear purple?
What if I told you some crypt wear orange. What
if I told you some christ wear green. These are
all nuanced things that are real as everything outside. But
if you have no idea, you know the generic things, right,
you like, crips wear blue, Bloods wear red. But what

(46:21):
if I said power rules tend to wear burgundy. What
if I told you lime hoods tend to wear green?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Right?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
There going to be nuances that comes with knowledge, so
you have to start the conversation like I don't know.
All I know is I saw a couple of gang
banger movies which we just proved a trap. He didn't
even know. Friday is a game banker movie.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Not doing that snap. I don't care what you said.
It's about about smoking weed.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Like games wig because all game makers do is still
versus it likes jobs, say.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Glasses tell the gang bangers are at the park cleaning
up every day.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
That's actually a true thing.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Every elementary school and they're mowing grass for the old people.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Gotta love them that that actually does happen in a
lot of communities. They do clean up the park and
run the park. It's funny how you could really be
making a joke and be dead right and it sounds funny,
but it just sounds crazy. I get it because I
get it. John Singleton did such a great job, Robert

(47:32):
Duvall and Sean Penn did such a great job that
you like, I got them niggas down. I see what's happening.
Look at that fat joke. I know how you start
using their word. I heard his songs. You cannot be
that arrogant, you.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Know, yo, y'ad niggas is telling us.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Now, No, you're hearing art.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
No, I'm telling I'm talking about the plethora of blood pirus, crypts, gds,
vice lords and the like on YouTube telling you what
they did, who they did it to entertaining you.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, I am telling you a fact. I'm giving you nuance,
fact down to specialty. I'm giving you something like that
nobody in hip hop has ever gave. Because I'm not
trying to entertain you. If the facts benefit your life,

(48:35):
I'm here to bring benefits to people that listen to
No Sellers podcast. I am not here to entertain you.
The facts are entertaining, but when you hear the nuance,
that's when you could feel like you don't know. But
you would have to concede initially that you don't know.
And that's the hardest part. Even in this particular conversation
with latinos in the N word, you you would have

(48:57):
to conceive jobs, right, I get it, You're right, you
could have that level of of sternness. I don't want
nobody not black calling me didn't work, and none of
us would question you. We're not saying you should let
the homie call you that. But when your question is
why do you guys need it happened or why don't
you inform them on how I feel? Nigga, I don't

(49:17):
know how you feel. I am as.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
We have this conversation, right, yeah, I think you know
what I'm thinking about, right, I'm thinking about my brother
Twan Matt.

Speaker 3 (49:29):

Speaker 4 (49:31):
You know what I'm saying, Kareem Kareem City, and I
never you know what I'm saying from the time I
met Twa Mac.

Speaker 3 (49:36):

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Anytime somebody will be engaging in a conversation with him
and they will go and they will call him that,
they will call him a nigga. The first thing he'll
say is, I'm not your n word, your word and
keep on moving on from it, though, but he makes
sure he will acknowledge that he wasn't the person that
word like that. You know what I'm saying. To the
point where I wanted to, I wanted to. I wanted
to remove the word out of my vocabulary. You know

(49:59):
what I'm saying. It's becoming kind of difficult to do so,
but I'm gonna do it one day though. But that's
what's saying. That's what I was thinking about having this
conversation right here.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Because the fact is I hate to say this fuck
man that I almost hate using fucking other people's talking
points that's not black. But a black person said this.
If we don't want other people to use the word,
we probably shouldn't use the word.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yo. Yeah, we had this conversation on Tommy. Yeah, it
was so crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
Right, we had this conversation on eighty AHD one time, right,
the same conversation, right, and throughout the whole conversation, everybody that's.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Talking is using the word like.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
But then at the same time saying they want to
police and make sure other people something like this is
so crazy, bro, that's true.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
This is crazy. If you're sitting there just.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
I was telling this a conversation like a few months
ago with the buddy of mine, and like, if the
if a purpose of of several of like rap music
and hip hop is to convey, uh, you know, a
message to people outside of that environment about the reality
of what's going on with it, and you do so

(51:17):
through a culture that is or not through through a
medium that that propagates the culture, and a lot of
it's about having a good time. A lot of that
music is dance. Music is happiest fun in this and this,
all of that, that's what makes people want to hear it.
Otherwise it sounded like eagles rubbing their claws against chalkboards.

Speaker 7 (51:34):
No one would fucking want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
And it becomes and again it's like with considering your
you know, the audience, it's difficult to ask the audience
to accept the package and throw away the rapper, the
wrapping paper, not the rapper, but w rapper.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Why how are you really asking why these motherfuckers need
to say one fucking word out of all the pantheon
of intellect.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Because anything jobs off limit? Is why is it?

Speaker 3 (52:05):
So?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Why would it be?

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Okay, that's not it, that's not the reason, but the
reason why.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Your level of camaraderie and acceptance with somebody if it's like, look,
you can't do this because you're not you know, we're
not cool with you like that, and then it's like,
well even for.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Each other for a long enough time, eggas we're pretty cool.
Everything I can't get in you know kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
That's what it is. I mean, we made it, we
made it.

Speaker 7 (52:29):
My rationale so why I don't, But why.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Do they want to do everything that we do? We
made the cool, We made it cool to be you
know what I'm saying to say this, You know what
I'm saying. So it's like, you know what I'm saying,
everything that we did, they want to they want to
do it. You know what I'm saying, as anybody outside
of the outside of the community. We made this ship
cool to say say, like, Yo, I want to be
like that. I want to I want to say this name.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
I seen the Kardashian selling their own line of Penaltons flannels.
I was like, what the fuck.

Speaker 7 (53:00):
That's its own conversation.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
In general, it's like girls so once once they get
hype down, all of a sudden, now you can say whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
To come out your minder for everybody though, the standard
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
But as far as I mean, if we're being honest,
white men in this country don't tolerate being told what
and what not to do. They have a problem with
being told they cannot stay nigga.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I don't think we're talking about white folks. I don't think.
I think I think it's very rare reason. Yeah, but
I don't think we're really debating for white folks. I
think most white folks except the little rapper gentle. He's
just shot out to him. He gonna bump his head
the hard way. Like it's just it's going to be
a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
For you, the big boy, the big boy, it's gonna
be a little different for you than it's gonna be
for Mexicans.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
You are a white man, so it's going to be
a really different thing. Like it's hard for brothers to
accept Mexicans or Puerto Ricans or Cubans in it. Yeah,
you finna go through World War three, so y'all know
you're a gang banger. So yeah, I hope your homies
got you enough squabbles because you're going to be and
some ship and you.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Know, you should have just said he was bang. He
should say he was bang on some ship like that,
and then and then trying to get away with saying
that ship because he's bucking that.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
It's part of his marketing. At this point, he's going
to stand down on it. And it's like they're going to
get at you and and all your friends too, Like
that's the thing. Shout out to the homies from Dallas.
That's that's on the program. But it's like, no, y'all
better he y'all better really love him because y'all might
have to kill some brothers over this man. You feel
me over this white man. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
The South too, In the South doing that.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
People writing Dallas and Houston, like nom.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Said, No, he ain't from over anything. That ship Dallas,
We ain't going for that.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Sho Dallas came. He's like no. So it's like you're
going to you know, you're gonna have to pay in
blood to use that word. And you know, if you
if you're paying enough blood, you know, maybe the world
to accept it. Maybe I doubt it because you might
go to the next state and they want some they
want a pint of blood, and you're gonna run out
of blood for you. But do your thing. All I'm

(55:15):
saying is just in the conversation right to have it right.
So again, we're not trying to convince. I'm not trying
to convince Detroit or Chicago or Atlanta to understand what's happening.
That's not my goal. I'm just saying, if you wonder
why it's happening for us that way, these are the
people we grew up with, and again jobs like now

(55:38):
I can prepare somebody. Hey man, don't say that around jobs.
Job's gonna trip cool, because I know jobs feel some
kind of way. But in nineteen ninety nine, two thousand jobs,
I would have not known how nobody in Detroit felt
about anything. I barely knew how people in Anaheim felt
about something that's fifteen miles away. Hell, I didn't know
how people in Critos felt about something, and that's five

(56:01):
miles away. I didn't know how other people felt about things.
I thought that I thought Watts was normal for everybody.
I didn't think I thought every community obviously. I knew
it was the ghetto, and I knew Beverly Hills was different,
but I thought every ghetto was the same. I thought
y'all all grew up with different people. I knew that
New York had Puerto Ricans, and I knew Florida had

(56:24):
Columby Colombians, and I always thought we all lived together poor.
I didn't realize feel me that there are some places
in America where it's just black people living poor, and
then white people live poor over there like white people, yeah,
they live I don't even think nobody poor that's white
in California. Like I used to have a joke with

(56:45):
DJ Head. I used to tell you white people are
gifted one hundred thousand dollars at birth. Because how you
don't live in the ghetto. How is it more of
you guys in this state and you're not in the ghetto,
Like there is no ghetto white place. And then everybody
tried to sell you on these outskirts, the Lancasters, the
Palm Deals, the Victorville's. There are still my white ghettos
out there. Oh there you go up that three five.

(57:07):
Even then they still own the houses people don't own. Yeah,
oh you go up that five. I need to go
to a white there. I need to go to a
white ghetto so I could feel comfortable about California.

Speaker 7 (57:18):
Through in your current I'm in.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I just need to walk through the neighborhood and people
hit me up. What's that with you, homie? I need
I need to see the white ghetto energy.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Your West Virginia.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
The town my Sleckt grandma's family came from up in.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
Northern Actually no, it was my Sleckt great grandma.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's some white people.

Speaker 7 (57:44):
That town was definitely poor.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
They moved there from like some poor town in Georgia.
That's the town that burnt down. It no longer exists.
It's gone, ironically named Paradise.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Town gone.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
And you know what's funny, And this is a cultural difference.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Job, please please please ask that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Right, we gotta go. I'm sorry we got to.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
That.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
She earned it.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
I don't give exceptions to standards for personal conduct. That's
not a thing. So if you if you conduct yourself
in a certain way, you did that.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Wow, you know, and this is a cultural difference, right, No,
lie bro we let Eminem talk so much. We let
Eminem talk so much about his mom all of that ship.
We didn't even care. We were like, yep, that's that
white people ship. If one black rapper made a negative

(58:43):
song about his mother, his career is over.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
I'm talking about two women who's proclifty for the way
they lived, tore apart, two nuclear families.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
That happens all the time.

Speaker 7 (58:56):
I know it does.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
I don't care for it, and I'm not going to
will make an exception for it because I know the
person personally.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
I understand culturally is just different.

Speaker 8 (59:04):
I understand that too. I'm not finding mind. Yeah, and
I respecting it. I am not advocating. I'm not exactly
you see jobs. See, I'm not advocating.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
I didn't see everybody else who doesn't have any fucking standards.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
No, that's my standard.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
That's how it's like saying, he glorifying it. That's how
y'all treat me because I explained to you something.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
No, you, Pete, Pete, absolutely did not glorify it. You'd
be like, please.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Discuss glorifying their action. Glorifying I guess my hard line
standard to.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Call them such, yes, but to disrespect, even if it's
the correct title for their behavior, we would consider that disrespectful.
In the black Black coaching.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
My great grandmother was an in tune advocate daily.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
That's glamorize. Yeah, that was blamorizing right there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That nobody like my great grandma God the house. Look,
she made a man. That is not that glamory jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
I did praise early pioneer of glory whole technology.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You didn't say that to me. This is what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. He's like, y'all, this is how
y'all like I be talking, and I don't like I don't.
I don't. All I'm saying Jobs is coming into these
conversations and shout out to all the brothers that listened

(01:00:53):
to this podcast. Shout out to all the browns, all
the blacks, all the blacks, all the browns, all the
white yellows, ribs, whatever, whoever listened to this podcast. You
have to come into this thing knowing. If you didn't
grow up culturally involved, then there's something to be learned.
But if you come into it disingenuously thinking you understand
or telling me about your life versus listening to full

(01:01:16):
detail so you could formulate a thought. Because right now,
when I first talked to Jobs about this, he had
a formulated thought of why he felt it shouldn't happen
for anybody. And I'm telling him what makes growing up
and watching Compton different than growing up in Detroit, Like,
it's not like we all logically start to use his
word because we made sense out of it. It's just

(01:01:37):
how we talk. And then over time you start to
realize somebody else use the word in another way, and
they say it in another way too to make you
feel bad. So now you start to see because you
still can identify if somebody of Latino origin. They all
say it to you. Some of them will say it
to you to demean you. You, I mean, they no

(01:01:59):
different than the white Maybe that f N word you
feel me? That nigger they said to the mean you.

Speaker 7 (01:02:05):
So, what's the what's the word Mexicans use?

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
No he.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Do you know that?

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
That's what that translates into. I don't know what that like.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
It's like cockerroach or something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
It's like a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Raggedy flang word. And see that's what I'm saying, Like
when Mexicans out here wanted to mean you job, they
won't even call you like they got their own.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Mm hmm, yeah, I know the I know the Dominican
they go, they go with the Morana, that Miranda like
that that term right there.

Speaker 7 (01:02:46):
That's sort of.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
Funny in the sense that the demeaning word in that
culture for black people is the same name of a
town in the eal An Empire that a bunch of black.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
People moved too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
But what I've said, you talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
Moreno, right, that's what you said, Moreno Valley. It's it's
it's not deliberate, it's just like a random it's just
like randomly unavoidable observation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
So Maya is a fig eater beetle a fig eater beatle?

Speaker 7 (01:03:22):
How in the living fuck random is that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
M I guess it's black?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, well this one is green?

Speaker 7 (01:03:32):
Even more reasonable? What are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
But it's meant to be demeaning. Sure, so I'm saying
that's where it becomes different. And that's why, like a
lot of times, like I'm not culturally entitled to gang banging,
I'm just informed. Like right, I'm a gang member, and
I actually study gang banging, and I actually care about
people from a gang and I and I go through

(01:03:56):
things to learn it. Not only do I have an
inside perspective and experience, but I'm also more well studied
in it than somebody who just seen boys in the
Hood or colors or seen some shit on television. I'm
going to have a nuance. So a lot of times
when we you know what's funny, jobs, smart is about
talking with smart how fast you could process and kick

(01:04:19):
some out. I genuinely believe intellect is the ability to listen.
So if you walk into a conversation thinking you know
or you're informed, right, then you're threatening your ability and
and you're showing that you're not intelligent, not you, but
just explaining to people that you would be showing it.

(01:04:40):
So again, like if I'm telling somebody about gang banging
and they're not a gang member, you would think they
would listen to me. They'd be like, oh, let me listen.
But what happens is they'll listen, they're not they're listening,
they're hearing me. So that's why people think I glorify it. Again,
we said this on this podcast before. The clinical definite

(01:05:00):
of listen is to listen and end. You listen what
I'm saying, and then you end it. That's it, and
then you look at what I'm saying. That's your listen
to hear. The clinical definition of hearing, my man always
told me was to acknowledge sound. So when somebody is
not listening to me and they're hearing me, the first
thing they'll respond with it sounds like you're saying it

(01:05:21):
sounds like you're glorifying because you're not listening to me.
If I tell you, the same person that taught me
how to sell crack taught me how to fish, that's
not a glorious thing I'm telling you. He showed me
how to survive all of these same things right jobs.
And I think that's why I struggle to communicate with

(01:05:43):
an audience, because I'm really giving you something factual. I'm
not trying to entertain you. I can entertain you, know,
different than my predecessors. I could put it on thick.
You don't think I can. I could cater to your ignorance.
I can cater all the way to your ignorance. Everything
you believe, I can cater to it. But I try
to call myself being a more well rounded and a

(01:06:06):
greater human by giving you nuance so you can leave
and make more sense out of it with your own life,
and also have more information on something that you may
be intrigued by or confused by. But it seems that
that's not what people want. People want me to cater
to their ignorance. People want me to make them believe
whatever they're saying is true.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
That sounds nice, Brouin Man, you're my guy. But if
it was just about harmony and communal aspect, there are
other organizations that gang members can join.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
See yo, see how far that's far apart? Like how
where I started at from where you started at to
where you harmonious what it's in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
But in the middle do you never ever talk about
the bad shit of gangs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I just said, my og homie taught me how to
sell crack and catch fish.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
But but but then you back it up with to survive.
As if going to work at McDonald's is not putting
food on people's tables.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
It's not. I mean in Detroit where the house is
eight hundred dollars, but not in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
I guarantee you right now, in the city of Los Angeles,
you can ride to a McDonald's and they will have employees.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Yes, but I bet you none of them can pay
their rent off that salary.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
They it is assisting in making them make ends meet
in some way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
So you're saying by the legal president.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
And to be to be quite clear, most niggas to
sell crack are broke.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
So that that's not exactly like that's not putting food
on a table either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I'm not. I didn't say that. I'm telling you the
opportunity to make more money and selling crack is more
of vagailable if you go to McDonald's. When first off,
when I would have been working at McDonald's, it had
been for twenty five an hour, right, that would have
been Here's the truth. When I first start trying to
wrap when I got said it's about rap. After Drey

(01:08:14):
said you should be doing this, and I took a
whole year and I had a job. I was selling
Sharon before that, but I had a job, and then
I had no Sharme money. It was the hardest time
in my life paying bills and my apartment was cheap.
Like I'm not telling people to do illegal things. I'm

(01:08:34):
just saying I understand if you do. If the system
is not gonna play fair and make life just and
give you opportunities and present it to have a livable wage.
If we can't agree with that as an American society
or as human decency to have a livable wage, oh
do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You know what I'm curious is over the lifespan of
the average gang banger, I wonder what their earnings are,
because I would argue that if there's some and it's
just a guest, is not facts. But if there's some
study out there that says the average earnings of the
lifetime over the lifetime of a gang banker, juxtapost that

(01:09:15):
with any random person that worked at McDonald's during the
same time that that person. Let's say you jumped off
the porch at fourteen, and you've gang banged until you
were forty, but you spent twenty five years in the joint.
This other person went to work at McDonald's the same
time you jumped off the porch and never left, not

(01:09:38):
an of the district manager at McDonald's. Because they never left.
They didn't go to prison in a waste to shitloaded
their life locked up. I'm willing to bet that there
are more stories of people making an honest living and
being more monetarily successful than gang banging now.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
But gang banging don't mean you can't work at McDonald.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
There's gang bangers that work. I don't want to go
look at that McDonald's brouh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Of course, they make burgers, the best burgers job.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
There was a fair and it's outdated from the time gap.
But the book Freakonomics had a portion where the author,
by some fucking means I don't even know how, but
kind of like hold up, so to speak, in a
dope house in Chicago and tracked the earnings of everybody there,

(01:10:33):
and the one guy who kind of ran it, who
made the most money, said did about ninety thousand dollars
a year, and everybody else was.

Speaker 7 (01:10:40):
Doing like pigeon shit money.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
There was a time that was interesting, book. There was
a time when I first got into PCP. I used
to sell PCP. First off, I started off just being
the lookout for a house or PCP house on me
paid me five hundred dollars a week.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Damn he hired.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
This is back then, five hundred dollars a week. But
I worked twelve hours a day, wow, six days a week,
sitting outside the house. But I saw, like you said,
I was looking at that district manager opportunity. It's like,
you know what, I'm gonna get in there. I'm gonna
get in there, right. So I did that for about
two three months. My homie started stealing from my older homie.

(01:11:25):
The dudes my age starts stealing from my older homie,
and I got in there. That paid me three fifty
a week jobs, except every ounce I sold I get
to keep the over. So if it made three hundred
dollars an ounce, right, if it's so, an ounce is
you know twenty eight ccs, right, So you need to
dip sixty sticks to make three hundred dollars, right, I

(01:11:50):
had to give him three hundred dollars an ounce, which
usually that's all you can get. But Glass is being
a math man in such a you know, a guy
trying to innovate. I was getting an extra sixty dollars
off each one, right, So now I was making three
forty five to three hundred and seventy dollars. I'm running
through six bottles every day as I'm working in the

(01:12:11):
spot for those eight to ten hours six ounces, right,
So now instead of that, I'm getting an extra three
hundred and fifty dollars a day. So by the end
of the week, I'm making two thousand dollars a week,
fifteen hundred to two thousand dollars by the end of
the week. That's what made it compelling. See now, my
immature mind, I was ignorant. I was a kid, so

(01:12:33):
I didn't I was like, why am I finna go
to school to be a pharmacist. Pharmacists make sixty thousand
dollars a year. I'm making eight thousand to ten thousand
dollars a month being here, and that's like too Again,
I'm ignorant, So obviously, you know, jail is not a fear,
Dying is not a fear. You're not looking at the

(01:12:54):
future because you're immature. Now, this is where your parents right.
And my dad didn't know what I was doing, and
my mom was in trouble. My mom tried to actually
stop me a million times, and I was gonna do
it anyway. So forgive me, because they did the best
they could. I was determined to screw up. But I'm
saying that became what made sense. But none of this
has anything to do with gang banging, Like this is

(01:13:15):
just the opportunities in the community. So I'm saying I
agree with you in a sense that if you have,
like like we talked about, even with the latinos and
the N word, if you have enough cognitive and global
understanding of how brothers in Detroit is gonna feel and
they don't grow up with anybody else except black people,
then yes, but you also would probably have the same

(01:13:35):
mind state to if you knew how brothers in Detroit
felt without having family in Detroit, you know, especially in
nineteen ninety eight ninety nine, about how they felt or
what their life was like, you'd probably be like a billionaire.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
You have to just start dialing with like three one
three numbers and seeing what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I didn't even know the area code of the Truth
until them came out.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Like what are we saying?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
I don't know the area code. I didn't even know
the air coldor Detroit tail eminem came out. How else
would I know the area? You get what I'm saying.
Poverty is very encompassing. It's smothering, you know what I mean.
It's because you don't feel like you could get somewhere else.
That's why people are rebelling against the term. That's why
they call it financial freedom, which that's an overstated thing

(01:14:20):
to be trapped into pursuing shit when you in the finances.
But I'm saying, you get what I'm saying. It's like
I'm not I'm not trying to recommend to you what
life is about. I'm not saying you should let Latinos
call you that. I keep saying it because I want
people to understand what I'm saying. I'm saying why they
do it. Where Glasses is from and where Trapp is from,

(01:14:42):
It's because we grow up in the struggle together. There
is no separate struggle. So we all talk the same way. Culturally,
we dress the same way, we do the same things.
And that's what I'm saying to that dude's point who
said that, you know, you don't see black people using
the N word, I mean using saying essay, yes you do.
The black people who grew up in completely solo dominated

(01:15:05):
culture areas what you think they seeing cousin in the
middle of Acholo neighborhood. They grew up with all Tolos
their whole life, and you know Mexican folks that become
Tolos and they and they talk like the nigga that's
two miles away. They'll know they're gonna talk like the locals.
If you raise a brother in Spain his whole life
with Spanish people, he's going to talk Spanish. He's going

(01:15:26):
to have the culture of Spanish people. Even if you
see his innate DNA styling coming out, he's still going
to style what they're doing until he gets exposed to
something different.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
But the problem is, and in fact Joe's case, he
has been told on numerous occasions, this is not a
welcome thing for you across the board, and he is
chosen to ignore that because that is my only they
say around you, that is fine. If they come to

(01:16:02):
another area and that area the people that they are
with tell them, hey, this is unacceptable here, and they
say fuck that. My boys, and so and so said,
I could.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Say, so, would you would you respect? Would you respect
them more? If he?

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
If he, if he listened to it, and go all right,
So right here, I'm not allowed to say it. But
when I go back over there, I can say it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I don't care what you say about them niggas with
them niggas over there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Now. Yeah, I'm just saying, if you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Brought this nigga over to my house and here, your
responsibility and okay, this is not a welcome situation in
my house. And if he continues after being told that,
then I'm blaming both of y'all. Sure, I'm supposed to go.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
Ahead, go ahead, like so, in real time, the three
of you were sitting at a coffee table, Fatcho says
that you reach and punch trap right in the face.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Okay, okay, but that is a different it's your thought, Okay, okay,
But what if he says, Okay, I'm not going to
say it when I'm in Detroit, because that body.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
But he still says, although I will say I'm looking
at the nigga sideways.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Turn it off.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I'm looking at whoever is with whatever nigga is with
fact Joe, that is okay. This I'm looking at differently.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
And see, that's where I'm trying to stop you from doing.
That's the point of this longer conversation. You can't look
out of ignorance because the reason why you feel the
power in you using the word is not the same
reason why. None of us can explain why we use
the word or why it's logical. All we know is
we don't want anybody else. Well specifically, y'all don't want

(01:17:53):
anybody else using the word except people that look like you.
But that's not a common thing for all of us.
We don't have that same You know, some people it's
different because again, if you go to the west side
of South Central, they don't grow up with Mexican people.
I would imagine they would feel the same way. Like
if you go to the six Os and the A trades,

(01:18:14):
I would imagine they would, Well, the trades do have
some mex not not masses, not like Watts, so they
may feel the same way.

Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
Figure like when you're at a cultural event at La
Merk Park a Mexican passing through, it's probably not gonna
be like, no, the greatest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
But but again, if he with his homeboys, right, because
I'm sure it's Mexican guys from from forties, right, and
he grew up with them his whole life, he talks.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Just like because like forties would or at least support
forties is big, but like port would go like Manual
Art High School, right, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Like forty go from what do you go from? Roughly
Vermont they say fig now but Vermont to Krisshaw. Yeah,
so it's like second nature too. That's a crazy part
is you just know it automatically. And I knew it
at like twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
I've never grown up and been like, oh well, like
it was a couple of hoods that we would have
beef with, but it wasn't like I'm not going over
to bag No Broad because these niggas live there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
No, I ain't never not went nowhere to back No
Broads until we got into an issue and they realized
that they don't want me over there. But you go
everywhere until people you know don't want you in their
community till they'd be like, oh, we got a problem.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
But you go wherever it's at. You just rolling down Now,
it's cool, guys. I'm just going over here to fuck
your sister. I'll be out about an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I don't believe jobs anyway, though.
I believe if we went to some area in Detroit.
We flew into Detroit and it's a bunch of niggas
hanging out on the street that's from that community, and
you just hop out your little car. Your car is
like some kind of cultural iconic car. You know, you
just walk in the house. He acted like niggas ain't
feel like, well, he's just going to get some puts
in the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
That would be a max grow cultural things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
You're missing the point.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
But you're missing the point.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
That's we just have titles for the community. Guys. It's
the same thing. So if I go to somebody's community
to mess with a woman, right specifically, and I come
jump out of a nice car and I look, I
look the culture, it's going to be some concerns. What's
up with him?

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Who is who is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Oh he gonna fuck with Shauna most likely Shauna probably
is sleeping with somebody over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Here, and depending on my car, I might just leave.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
The hotel. See what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
I'm definitely not trusting that because she might be a
set up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
But y'alls trying to but we go hold this for
the next conversation, because you try to put it off
on us and make me think it's just a l
a thing. But like I could go to Queens and
just walk in Queen's Bridge, I'm just going to get
some pussy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
To do it before.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
But when I was younger, I was you know, we
got a big family contingency in Chicago, so I'll go
to Chicago every summer and like the gangs. One thing
that struck me was how organized they were, but how
much they ruled the neighborhood. Old people would not wear

(01:21:22):
a certain coat because this was that gang coat. What
the fuck somebody seventy years old supposed to be worried
about gang.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Shit for the crazy parties, You think they forced them
versus those seven year old people feeling like they're part
of the community and they don't want to wear it neither.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Oh my god, you cannot believe that, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
It's the facts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
It's not it's a fact, just getting being scared, but
getting their ass whooped.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
That's not true. That's not true. You you really do
not believe people buy into it. That's not in the infantry.
That's like saying people who don't have family and service
don't believe in American. They don't the Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
It's niggas and wats that are not gang members that
will go to any store anywhere. Yes, it is something.
I'm absolutely certain that during I'll say this, during wartime,
there are certain areas that your whole community will avoid
because they know that particular area is on red alert

(01:22:27):
for your particular gang.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
No, I'm telling you know what he's saying is like, yo,
so if you're from a certain neighborhood right there, even
if you're not with the gang, you know, not to
go over to the other neighborhoods het, somebody gonna check you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Exactly where if the gang?

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
No, No, what about what about what about the line?

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
What about the line?

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
What about the line that I mean, I don't know,
I know about the line up there where your grandmother
FuMB and all that, Like they check a niggas like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
That's only when you're like our age and they believe
you're a part of a community. It's not because they
really tripping on where your grandma from. They think you're
being scary and now they're going to force you into
being who you supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
But what if you're not that though, that's what's gonna
be working. You will get worked as if you are
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Those if you if you really, if you really, it
depends on how you are. If you a stand up man,
if you're punk, they gonna That's the one thing that's
kind of messy about humans is you know they they
will continue to punk somebody, you know what I mean,
if they can. It's just natural right. They ain't gotten
to do with gangs. But if you are a man
you like y'all, I ain't from nowhere, people gonna leave

(01:23:38):
you alone. But if they think that you kind of cowering,
like like you're from somewhere but you just don't want
to tell us. Now, we're gonna press you where you're from.
What are your mama's stay?

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
If someone asks you if you're a big homie, they're
not probably curious. They think you're a lying when you
said you were from over there originally exactly, But you get.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Out of that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
By saying, you seem to think that that question is
a normal question. I shouldn't have to tell something nigga
walking down the street, where the fuck I'm from?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
I'm from?

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Where I'm from?

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Well depends.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
You could be. You could be, you could be, you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Could be a threat to someone's existence. That's why they're
asking you where you're from. We don't like New York.
We not like New York. What I'm saying, you know
what I'm saying. Walking is a part of how you
guys travel, like like culture. Travel is an important thing
in culture, Like we travel as the low riders and

(01:24:36):
ship like New York. People travel and they take you know,
they got the trucks, jeeps, they got, they ride the train,
they walk, that's the way they travel. So people walking
through a community wouldn't be the same. Like you may
be on your way to somebody, that's not how we
travel in l A. If you're walking through somewhere or
you're going somewhere over here, like you're not passing through,

(01:24:58):
Like what's up with you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Who are you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
And what do you do?

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
What's your business here? That's a fair question.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
It is not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
It is no, no, no, a fair question. Hey, I'm
delivering mail, taking the rape through here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
White guy in the suit walks down the street and
they don't give him that same energy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
By black guy in the suit walking down the street,
nobody getting the same energy the police.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
You meet. But but the police just a threat as
anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Why you no serve and protect.

Speaker 7 (01:25:38):
To make a preemptive strike on this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
It's a different type of threat, different type of threat,
different types of.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
What he's saying though, But.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
It's also kind of I always say, that's like a
lazily articulated point. If you're a black guy in the suit,
nobody's gonna say nothing to you. Like it ain't just
white guys in the suit. Like if you're a black
guy in the male uniform, nobody gonna If you're black,
for nobody say to you. If you're a black guy,
that makes nobody you might got.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
To talk for you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Black guy doesn't get robbed, No, man, I got the
track that sucked up big This.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Got the tree for sure. He got some money. That
guy and sue job. I swear, my god, man, the
movies so messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
When I when I come out there, boy, I better.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
I have to take you to the PJ to let
you just see everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
It's like a musical out there and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Music.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
You see how you did that though, You see how
you went that for I took Pete this is I
took Pete on the seven before.

Speaker 7 (01:26:54):
No, we'vever been over there, not you. Who I take
somebody else?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
I gotta take Pete on the set.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
I know I've never been there before me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Who hood did we meet in? You didn't mean nobody hood?
When doing what I forgot? Go ahead, go ahead, I'm
chipping to take pizza.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
I will say, like the times I've been in spots
I shouldn't have been and got like encounters. It's not
like the energy is more so trying to feel out
if I'm just not well. That was in Oakland, they
used to that was the police hardest fucking Oakland on
both sides.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
On both sides.

Speaker 7 (01:27:33):
It looks like I was about thirteen, so like.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Young under undercover, you're a young undercover.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
But it's kind of the energy I get out of
it is more so like trying to feel out if
I'm just like the easiest come up in the world
that just fell out of a helicopter lapping.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Do you know where you're at. That's nigga favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
That's for eight thousand dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:27:53):
Here.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
It's more so like, do you know anybody here that's
gonna get back at me? What I what I get
all you have on you from you in about ten seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
And that's not often that that's gonna be a particular
but half a dozen eighty times right in my life
again again jobs, No, it's not. It's not like a
white person can be. If a white person wearing Diggies
and Chucks, niggas is hitting him up jobs. If he
dressed like a soldier, if he dressed like a trooper,
niggas hitting him up jobs. Hey, where you're from, ain't
nobody go back? Oh he's white, he's good. If he

(01:28:25):
goes somewhere, If Pete goes somewhere, if he go to Inglewood,
if you go to the if he go to the
families and to the bottoms wearing some blue Chucks with
some blue legs, some Diggies and a T shirt and
the blue Dodger had, they are whooping his ass. The
one thing about this game, shit, it is equal opportunity whoopings.
They might whoop his ass worse. Yeah, I probably like

(01:28:47):
also like there's certain ways that like like white ex
cons always looks certain ones, yes, where I wouldn't want
to look jo. I wouldn't want to dress just like
they dress and just hop out at certain apartment buildings
like that. Why I wouldn't want to do that. Jobs
I'm telling you, if Pete went over there with some
blue chucks to Inglewood with blue chucks, blue lights and

(01:29:08):
dickies and and a white T shirt with a blue
blue hat and the blue rag, they are.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Whooping his ass. I think that whoop my ask for
just for being like, they're not even gonna hit you up.
They wouldn't, don't even they would think I was even
a crypt They just be like, we just got to be.

Speaker 7 (01:29:29):
Was there a castle? Call over here?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You go the regular neighborhood or the neighborhood organization? So
who is this the regular citizens of the neighborhood or
is this the neighborhood organization.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
It's just kind of like silent understandings.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
So some blind crippled nigga is beating Pete up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
If Pete went somewhere dressed like that, it's gonna be
little kids gonna whoop his ass. Why is that because
they gonna look at him like the nerve of this
motherfucker come over here dressed like a gang maker.

Speaker 5 (01:30:03):
It would be probably perceived as I'm flagrantly disrespecting.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
Their whole way of life, including black that first, and
that's for sure, the gang rules.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Of that neighborhood were transcending whatever community he's from.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Gangs don't really have rules, though, Pete, Like, maybe like
the Jungles have rules because of t Rogers rest in peace,
but most gangs is kind of like these sub do unspoken,
nuanced you know facts that you just know. I mean
you you you just grow up like there's no true rules,
like the same rules and regular any criminal lifestyle is

(01:30:40):
the same in game making.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Well, I think that's an issing point you brought up though,
because he was talking about Chicago and t Rogers is
from Chicago, so that might be some you know, big
difference between.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
To the recipes of the Homony the Big Mummy. It's like, yeah,
it's it's again, and that's all I want you to do. Jobs.
I guess that's all I want you to do. I
just want you to understand that maybe you don't quite
understand the dynamics like I understand why you don't want
somebody calling you that because you're a brother. Like now

(01:31:13):
I'm grown, I get it. I wouldn't even like I
get it, But you would also have to understand why
our dynamic is as close as it is. Like that's
what I'm trying to give you information on the true
dynamics of the relationship. So it's like you didn't grow
up with no latinos, but then in Chicago sometimes they
do too, right, So it's like you have to concede

(01:31:36):
that there are some things you understand that don't mean
can see that you let somebody else call that's not
your person, that's not your guy. But I'm saying with you,
saying you looking crazy at us. I'm just expressing to
you why us is why we let this happen. I
get it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
And if I come out there, you know nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
None of my homewies gonna that first start. They gonna
look at you like a stranger. They're not gonna be like,
what's up, money, They're not gonna talk to you like that.
They don't know you, they're not gonna get they really
say nothing. I'm be like this, Momi jobs, I'll be
like what up. First off, they're not gonna give you
too much energy at all. But you know, the more
you funk with them, you'll realize it ain't that much.
Like I said, it's not as different as you would imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I'm definitely wearing a suit too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Yeah, to trust man, nobody gonna say that to you.

Speaker 7 (01:32:18):
Wear that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Might have to come rescue you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Plus, you know, the trait gonna sound that different from
l A neither, so they'll be looking at it like
this nigga from around the a nigga, where you where
your Grandma's? They gonna for sure you're gonna get away.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Ain't nobody about to ask me where my grandma? Ad?

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Where are you from? Are you from around here? From Detroit?

Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Detroit don't got no accent? Nigga, where's you from? You
gotta come out there with some buffs on where Detroit had.
They're gonna be like, he might get the trade, rob
me take my buffs. Oh, this nigga is a lick,
but sure they might think of that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I'm cool that we out here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
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