Kyle Bornheimer

His name is Kyle Bornheimer, but you might know him as The 30-Second Man, as Adman on The Office, or maybe as Steve Martin if you knew him when he was little. Whatever you want to call him, he talks to Brian about his dreams of tap dancing, guest starring in almost all your favorite TV shows, and how he became a joke on BoJack Horseman without ever appearing on the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I got to have Fred Willard play my dad, you know,
and he actually looks like my dad in real life,
so it's it's just sort of like it looks like
Ron Burgundy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks like you're like, Kyle,
your dad looks like too many people. Um you also
weirdly and Thomas, he kind of looks like Steve Martin too. Hi.

(00:22):
I'm Kyle Barnheimer, and when I was five years old,
I made Pico call me Steve Martin for an entire year.
Hi everybody, and welcome to a brand new episode of
Off the Beat. As always, I'm your host, Brian Baumgartner,
and that was Kyle Bornheimer you've just heard from Today.

(00:45):
We're going back to our roots a little bit. Those
of you who have listened to this podcast for a
while know that before we branched off into Off the Beat,
we were telling the story of a little show called
The Office US. And I actually met Kyle while filming
The Office. He was on season four, episode nine, Local

(01:07):
Ad as ad man. But before he was our ad man,
he was an ad man. Yes, there was a time
in his life when he was the funny commercial guy.
But now you probably know him from playing Doug on
Avenue five, being Teddy Wells in Brooklyn nine nine, or

(01:30):
as Sam Briggs in Worst Week. Beyond that, Kyle has
guest starred in just about every great show from the
last few decades, so much so that he seems to
be a part of some writer's room jokes. But look,
we're gonna get into that. In fact, let's let's get
into it right now. Let's bring him on to tell

(01:51):
us all about it. Kyle Bornheimer. Everyone, bubble and sweet
I love it. Bubble and squeak on Bubble and squeaker
cookie every month left over from the Nabby people. What's up, Kyle? Hey?

(02:24):
How are you? I am very very good, even better
now that I'm seeing you there. Happy New Year. I
don't know when you stop saying Happy New Year? Uh?
Maybe today? What's today? Today? One? Oh, that's right, I
would say today. I don't mind a late January. Happy
New ye Happy New Year, especially if you haven't seen it.

(02:44):
You know, you know it's like, yeah, I think you
know you have all the whole month to launch into
your new year. After January one, though, then I think
it's an awful, awful tun groundhogs y Yeah, yeah, yeah,
happy groundhog Day. It's very good to see you. I
have so many things that one I have learned about

(03:07):
you and rediscovered about you, including our brief time together
on the office. Actually, but I want to start back.
Your story seems fascinating to me. You well, first off,
you grew up in Indiana. That in and of itself
is not fascinating. But it's the opposite. Indiana literally means

(03:27):
not fascinating. Yeah, that's the definition of Indiana. No, that's
not true. Well, it's funny because I understand Indiana is
not Kansas, but there was a there was a period
of time here that I felt like everyone I talked
to was like, yeah, I'm from Kansas, and people think, oh,
you've got to be from New York or l A
or a coast or something. And I was like, yeah,

(03:48):
I'm in Kansas, and I wanted to get into comedy.
It's like, oh, well, I think, yeah, I mean, anyone
living in by the way, Indiana a kid. But first
of all, it is very fascinating. Hey, looking back on it,
and I just took my kids there for the first time.
They were legit fascinated by it and charmed and love

(04:09):
hearing stories, especially then growing up in l A and
hearing my stories about growing up in the seventies and
eighties and nineties and Mishawaka, Indiana is incredibly exotic and
fascinating to them. By the way, they're probably gonna think
l A is boring and can't wait to get out
of l A or something. You know. I think wherever
you grow up, you sometimes will tend to think less
of it for a while, but then you get older

(04:30):
you look back and I you know, I really obviously
cherish my upbringing there and was really neat to see
it through their eyes this past ball we went. So
it sounds to me you grew up in Indiana as
a as an old soul. I'm told that you were
a really big Singing in the Rain fan. Oh gosh,

(04:51):
that's my favorite movie. And this is a that is
a French poster for Singing in the Rain, right there,
a French poster for Singing in the Rain. My friend
got for me actually because I probably because I had
nonstopped talking about that movie. Yeah, yeah, and that's kind
of beautiful. Yeah, it literally since when you can carry forward,
I mean, do you have anything like that either? People
you were fans of or movies or music that when

(05:13):
you were five it's the same as when you're forty five.
I mean, I think for me it was The Wizard
of Oz, but that feels like a cliche. I don't
I don't run for me too. Yeah, but I don't
remember thinking or knowing anyone as a kid who was
a fan of Singing in the Ring. What was it
about that? Was it the singing, the dancing, singing and

(05:36):
the rain? Uh? But it was both the singing and
the ring. You know, it's funny you say that not
knowing any kids. There's a family lore that I made.
All my six year old friends at my birthday party
watched Singing in the Ring like we were outside doing
a bunch of fun stuff, and then I was like, Okay,
now it's time to go in and watch this thirty

(05:58):
year old movie. It was singing and dancing. And I
can tell you all about what I know about Gene Kelly,
so I I definitely you know my family, it was
on all the time. I had pretty good movie Buffy
and that my Actually my grandparents and parents were necessarily
movie bus but they had very good taste and they
had had robust movie collections all the time on my
my mom's side, her dad and then my dad like

(06:21):
loved movies, and like I said, it wasn't like a
movie buffy thing where he didn't he couldn't like pull
out any trivia. He wasn't. He just loved movies and
they happened to have like some pretty good taste in
terms of mainture. And that one was just one that
very early on spoke to me. I remember my brothers
was some like it hot. That was the one that
he bombed onto as a kid. Wizard of Oz obviously
was Zombi present in our in our whole household. So
we've watched that. That's remained pretty amazing. But yeah, you know,

(06:45):
I think and then whatever, it just sort of became
a a staple at our house, and I lived and
continued loving and whenever I revisited it is legitimately still
an amazingly made movie like it is for some reason
of those that era of musicals when they were done,
you know, all the time, it does stand out as
a really it's an amazing satire on Hollywood. It's just

(07:07):
a very tight script. It's a The musical numbers are beautiful,
they're very athletic dance numbers that Donal O'Connor and Gene
Kelly do. I just showed my kids. I mean, they've
seen it before, but we just rewatched like the Donald
O'Connor make them laugh sequence and just they they were
talking about, oh my gosh, like Jim Carrey. It's like,
you know, it really is that physical comedy that probably
I also like the athleticism and the sort of dynamicism

(07:29):
of it as well. Did you now did you sing
and dance and acted out or was this just oh
I probably did? You know? It's really funny when I
moved to l A without any first of all, not
to be an actor at all. I moved out to
want to be the right and right right here. But
on my to do list for whatever reason, was take

(07:51):
tap dancing lessons. This was because of my love of
gene Kelly. Now, I had not had any rama, musical,
any really any arts education at all at this time
in my life. But for whateverything, that was my list,
and I did so that. I bought tap shoes, I took,
you know, a week's worth of lessons. I fell off
on my routine, in my in my in my practice

(08:13):
and it just sort of fell and I had no
money to be taking task tap dancing lessons the most
impractical thing I could be doing at the time, So
but I kept the tap shoes. And I remember when
I first when I was first dating my now wife
in my tiny little apartment on Dohini. She came over
and I was like getting ready before we were going out,
and she's like, what's um, what's this? And she had

(08:37):
found my tap dancing shoes in my closet, and uh yeah,
I had to explain to her, Well, you just started
dating a man that, uh whether to be a tap
dancer at one point, and I really wish I would
get to this day. I still thinking, you know, now
heading into the next phase of my life and maybe
I can get that tap dancing thing going again. Yeah, okay,

(08:59):
well we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna talk about your
move to l A. But I also was told this
that there was a time in your life. Now I
don't know exactly when this was that you where you
made people call you Steve Martin. Well, yeah, he would
be the other thing, you know, I said singing in
the rain that since I was five, I've been a
fan of and it's never wavered, and and that fandom

(09:21):
has been validated by the fact that he is indeed
a genius, you know. So I did, and that came
directly from I loved the King tut bit. So that
was probably mostly when I was little, from his Sarah
Live appearances and probably stand up and then this was
the day. This was the era. I know, did your
family do this? This was comedy albums where your parents

(09:42):
would buy a comedy album and play it in the
living room after dinner. And it was Steve Martin and
and Richard. We probably didn't do Richard prior to every
year older, but it was that eight, so I'm sure
we had an album, but I think it was mainly
from Sarah Live skit, which by the way, we're not
on like YouTube. The next day, I must have been up,
you know, my parents must have been letting me stay up,

(10:02):
or maybe there's like a new speechure on it or something,
and I saw it and I fell in love with him.
And then once I was a little older and watching
all his movies and the jerk and everything just sort
of continued that. But I think that was early I
think that was late seventies, I was born seventy, probably
doing that when I was five years old, like eighty,
and so it must have been from his seren Live
and like maybe maybe a lot of the Johnny Carson

(10:23):
appearances too, because that would have been earlier in the day,
like ten right, maybe right, right right. So you you
go to Purdue and at this at this point, you
think you're going to do what with your life? Well,
it's journalism. Maybe I was Okay, I was already falling
in love with movies and had was already. This was

(10:44):
the nineties. The important part of this is this was
the rise of Tarantino and Jane Camping and and Rodriguez
and all the film and Kevin Smith and all the
end of film like indie filmmakers. So my sort of
love of classic movies. Um, and then friends introduced me
to the of the seventies movies and all that kind
of cool Godfather and all that stuff in Chinatown and

(11:07):
tax all that stuff. So I was sort of my
love movies. I was continuing, and then the nineties hit
and then that was our era of the all those
young great independent filmmakers. So I was already starting to
really fall in love with all that and reading you know,
Filmmaker magazine and finding out what was playing in Sundance
and Alleghip. So when I went to Perdue, I was
I was kind of just doing what you do after college,

(11:27):
where you go to a you know, you go to college,
and uh, journalism was on my mind. My dad was
for the first five years and of his career was
a broadcast, was a was an anchorman. Actually he actually
got to exactly round Burgundy. He was very much a
seventies anchorman with hilarious um. And then my uncle was
a journalist. I journalism in me and which I loved
and still loved journalism, so I was thinking of doing that,

(11:50):
and but I was really a chance visit. I visited
my sister in l A, fell in love with it,
and very shortly after you know, getting into Purdue, I
knew I wanted to move out to lia. So I
moved out to l A. I went to Indiana University
just for a few months the following year, but I
lived with friends and didn't go to any classes except
maybe my film classes, and then moved out to l

(12:11):
A ninety six. Yeah. Wait, so I gotta ask you
this because I think that we're unique I had the
same experience, which was, you know, I had been living
a bunch of places and not really spending any time
in l A. And I came out to l A
for a visit and fell in love with it. What
was it for you about about l A? About southern

(12:33):
California or whatever that that that attracted you so much? Remember,
I fell in love with as well immediately. I think
it was the big city. I think I was hankering
for a big city, that it was the film and
television capital. I I definitely, probably to a false romanticized
that the instry, which is really fascinating what we've kind
of learned the last five years on how flawed now,

(12:55):
especially during that time, was an incredibly flawed way. We
were doing a lot of things with this sort of
tyrannical swimming with sharks kind of producer mentality that was
going on and all that stuff. But that's said, there's
a lot of beautiful things and wonderful things about this industry,
and I think we're probably the best place that's ever
been in terms of, uh, you know, the good people,

(13:16):
you know, um um working with each other. So but
I definitely romanticized the industry. I loved the big city.
It was very affordable, as as big cities go. Compared
to New York and San Francisto and even Chicago, l
A was the affordable place. Now, this sadly, very sadly
changed in two thousand eight or so with the housing crisis,
and now we're in a real housing crisis here, in

(13:38):
a rental crisis now. But at the time it was affordable.
So I was very doable. I was I was half
full of ambition and little small town guy in a
big city and also really scared that I couldn't do it.
And so l A was a good thing. Is a
that where I wanted to be, what I wanted to
do was here. But also it felt more affordable and
like a big suburb rather than a than big city

(14:00):
at first to me. So, um, yeah, what did you
fall in with? What? What was what you know you
were from? I was from Georgia. I mean I traveled around.
I you know, I had spent some time in the
Midwest and the Northeast, and I mean I had a
friend who was living in the Westwood adjacent area, and

(14:22):
there was just, I don't know, there was something wholly
unique to me about I remember I remember, I remember,
I remember a coffee bean. I was like, he was
huge in what is this magical place where you could
get freezy coffee drinks all day long and sit outside

(14:44):
this gorgeous weather with the students walking around and all
these beautiful people. I don't know it was fully romanticized
to me, but I remember just being like, oh, yeah,
this I could, I could do this, And it's it's
true what you say. Actually, Like I don't know that
it was cheap, but you could get so much more

(15:06):
for the money. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
like you know, in New York you would be in
a tiny, tiny studio apartment and a seventh floor walk
up and you might spend the same amount of money,
but you would have you know, a full bedroom and
a balcony. You could be outside or a little yard

(15:28):
even and have sort of room. Yeah. Yeah, um when
you moved now, you know you say you were romanticize
the industry. Were you thinking you were going to get
into film and television at this at this point? That
were you just more moving? That was the plan as
a later director, Yeah, yeah, I mean the plan in
the very unformed, very green plan, and the and the

(15:50):
plan that ultimately and unsurprisingly did not work, was that
I was simply kind of work at a video score,
write a script, and get discovered. I mean that with that,
I don't know why I didn't just work out. That
seemed to be what everyone was doing at the time,
and I guess I just missed that. Bote Um. Now,
I was, you know, committed to working hard and learning.
And I made a short film, I remember, with on film,

(16:13):
not on digital. This is before right as digital is
coming out. So I like spent money on like at
sixteen million or I guess short ends, which is like
where you would buy like what people didn't use on
their movie, their short ends of their film. And I
made like a nice little movie and I spent everything
I had and with broke doing it like like a
short film. I did all the things that I thought
I should be doing that I was just too young

(16:33):
and too undeveloped to really navigate that world with any
real um expertise. You know, I just wasn't really ready.
I'd come out sort of too soon probably and a
little bit unpolished. So the plan was very much too
to get into writing and directing and and so yeah,
I kind of pivoted acting four or five years in
when I was like at an acting class that I

(16:54):
had kind of taken as a quote unquote as a director,
I think I was like, well, now I should learn
how actors work, since I'll be working with them so much,
you know now, and this is a vomit chubmic, isn't
that right? You're very good? Right? Yeah, I mean, look,
I I try as the best I can. Yes, And
she is a very big acting director. At the time,

(17:17):
it felt like everybody was taking classes from Yeah she was. Yeah,
and I had gone through all the levels kind of that.
She had a couple of lower levels that you take first,
and I kind of graduated onder hers and I loved it,
and yeah, I saw kind of a path. It was.
I really needed to be sort of jostled out of
my poor plan, and acting gave me like a vision,

(17:40):
like a road in front of me that I saw,
which is very simple. I mean, the one thing I
had going for me was I was very patient, like
you probably know, as friends sort of start to be
like maybe this isn't for me, or the industry starts to,
you know, take its toll on you. Early on. For
whatever reason, I was like pretty much in it for
the long haul. A. I had no other I had
no plan B. But I was also like comfortable, like

(18:04):
taking my time with it, like being a starting artist
for a certain degree in my twenties and and wanting
to actually get good at it, and like, Okay, I
just need a commercial agent. I remember just being like,
all I need is a commercial agent. I didn't want
to get a commercial yet. I was like, have an agent,
and then after that that agent will maybe hopefully get
me an audition. And I just remember being very clear

(18:25):
like I was. I think that looking back, I was
very relieved that I finally had like a plan that
I could at least succeed or fail at whereas before
that I was kind of flailing. And so I was like, Okay,
well this is a plan. It's really seen other people
do this plan, and let's see if I can navigate
this road. And if I don't, then I'll have a
little better sense that I've tried and not been able to. Yeah,

(18:47):
I want to ask you about that, because I don't
think I've talked to anybody about that. I want your opinion.
What do you think it is that that made you
stick with it? When so many don't write I mean,
because he is a there there is a huge group
of people who come out to do exactly the same
thing you did, or let's just say, they think that

(19:09):
they're going to be actors and then it just doesn't happen.
Do you feel like it's worth a work ethic or
stick to ito nous? I mean, I know, I'm thinking
of one in particular, a friend that I came up
with and it was very good and work just as
hard as anyone, and had had the talent to the

(19:30):
very least have a solid career, but also had like
a really good plan B. If he didn't didn't work
out or just had a skill set, I shouldn't say that.
I don't think he was relying on his plan B frankly,
because he had to kind of go back and really
like go to school and kind of actually make a
hard choice to sort of pivot um. But he had
a skill set, and I think in that instance, I

(19:51):
think he just was looking at the rest of his
twenties and looking at his life and getting started the
way he wanted and knew like, Okay, yeah, there's a
chance this could happen. Are also looking at a road
ahead of you, and you're seeing a lot of different examples.
You're seeing people that have like maybe held on too long.
You're seeing people that like hit right away, and you're
kind of suspicious of that. You're like, well, I don't
want to I don't want to think that that's gonna

(20:12):
happen to me. So somewhere where maybe I'm in the middle,
maybe I'll I'll start having a career and it becomes
very practical, right and you know, I'm sure you know this.
The dream aspect of it goes away, and the idea
that you just want a sustainable career is really what
nineties seven percent of us are. I mean, the the
the wonderful stars out there who are able to pick

(20:33):
their own projects and kind of design their own careers
and make an amazing living at it, or who are
really comfortable being bohemian, like I don't know, work when
you know, whenever I want to, and I don't need
to make any money at it, and I'll live on
a tree, you know what. There's like that the rest
of us are like, well, at some point, yeah, I
came out here with all this passion and dream of
what I want, but I'm good at this, but now

(20:54):
I need to build a career and if I have
a family, I need to be able to you know.
So I think you start to put that together, and
when you are doing that your mid to late twenties,
you start to make decisions for yourself. And it's literally
different for everybody, and it's you know, Jack Lemon used
to say this, and I'm sure you and I are
probably perfect examples to say the same thing. Plenty of
people I came up with that were better than me,
that we're that are continue to be better than me,

(21:16):
that worked harder, that came from a better theatrical background, um,
and other people that worked that that's that. Thank god
they figured out a way to get out because they
were never going to they did. They either didn't have
the talent to work ethic or they had stars in
their eyes in the wrong way. So it kind of
is all types. And I think, for whatever reason me,
I do think of some of it was a desperation.

(21:36):
I hadn't really no backup, but I was feeling confident enough.
I think at the earliest part of my career, I
was feeling confident enough. I was getting and it really
is because I was getting a lot of commercial work.
And once that I started to see that people were
responding to what I was doing in that format, I
was like, okay, I just knew okay, step by step,
Now let me see if I can get some TV
work and stuff and small TV work and each thing.

(21:59):
But I plenty of crises, plenty of personal crisis in
my late thirties and late twenties and early thirties before
I was able to have a sustained career of life.
If I hold on too long and I don't get
something that sort of gets me to the next level,
this is gonna get scary for me. This is psychologically
and financially in everywhere else you know, Well, Kyle is

(22:37):
being modest. There was a period of time that Kyle
was on television more than Ellen de Generous Uh commercials Galore, Geico, Staples, Cores,
Light t Mobile, Stanley Uh. He made a mission could

(23:00):
Troll in a Man's Bowels where I improvised the line
code brown. Yeah, very basic, but very I committed to it. Yeah.
Now were you at this time? Would you get recognized
on the street for your commercials? You must have, I

(23:21):
think so. I think there was a couple that you
know would play very nationally. The team Mobile one was
the was the one that actually that other people saw
it got me a big TV thing right after that.
But yeah, I think there was an article down are
very very randomly and Entertainment Weekly did an article called
the called the thirty second Man about this very thing

(23:42):
like like that got Yeah, that was really I just
actually I was going through a bunch of mementos the
other day and saw the article, which was really fun
to see. But yeah, no, very fortunate and very um
to the point of like I had seen a plan
for myself. One thing I did during that time is
worked at a commercial casting studio. So I don't know
if you have two hundred South Librea. Of course it

(24:05):
was the hub literally central in the city, and you
had eight or nine cast directors working at this place.
You would see everyone in town there every day. You
and I probably saw each other before we knew each other,
and I worked there. So when you would sort of
work for the cast directors and there was a there
was a job that you were right for, they say, O, Kyle,
come in on this PEPSI thing or whatever. So you

(24:26):
just were around it all day and exposed. So I
remember that that was a big key to me, sort
of like staying in the game, you know, in a
really smart way, like just to sort of be around
it all the time. Does two hundred Southubria still exists?
I don't. Well, I think it does actually, And whether
they may have moved. There's a great cast director that

(24:46):
cast me in so many of those named Ross Lacey,
and I think he yeh, and he might have moved
it or or sold it or but he was excellent
and really instrumental. If you're listening, Ross, thank you for
my career to hundred two hundred South Lebrea. For those
of you listening, you have you have to understand that
it's the craziest thing. And this is like there's no parking,

(25:09):
very little parking, impossible to park. And you would enter
the building up a tiny stairwell. I can remember it
like it was yesterday, and you would go up this
tiny stairwell and as you're going up this like two
flights of stairs, you would pass seventeen actors that you
knew kind of and then you would get to the

(25:32):
top and there were yeah, well you probably know better
than me, but like yeah, eight or nine rooms off
of a giant bullpen. The bullpen a huge like almost warehouse,
either either actors or two It was like like you
and two other people because at the end of the

(25:53):
day or there were eighty just aspiring everything. Yeah yes,
and waiting to go in one room and like yes,
So emodium was one room, PEPSI was another room, T
mobile was another, and you and they would be inside
and the thing this God, you there were no chairs.

(26:14):
When there were was there were carpeted blocks right like
huge like uh huge areas that were carpeted that you
would just sort of like kind of sit on, I guess,
and very uncomfortably held elbow to elbow with everybody else,

(26:35):
everybody running their little lines. They would you would you would,
you know, it's that surreal thing where it's like you
were a type and so you would go and you
would see a bunch of views there. You would just
see I would see a bunch of kyles there, you know,
either new kyles I've never seen or other kyles that like, hey,
what's up, Brad, Like we always see each other at
these I mean, this is the head shot days. Like

(26:55):
you you would have your head shot probably when I
started Black and White head shot. So I remember the big,
big switch to color. So and then when you got
little hallway. Yeah, you would see an actor in a hurry,
or an actor that just was piste off about their audition,
and an actor who felt good or with an actor
who had the greatest attitude, always like like he's always
in a good mood. You know he'll be fine, you know,
like you would see every type of actor coming down

(27:17):
that those stairs. Yes, no, it's totally true. Or for me,
I think always like parking semi legally and it was
just like I just needed to get back out to
my car quickly as possible, so just like, Hi, Hi,
how's it going? Club at the time, I remember having

(27:38):
the club on the steering wheel, which locked the steering wheel?
Did I put the club on? As you're so many
and you know, lovely people that would work there, but
also overworked people, and so you didn't always get the
most polite room. In commercially, your casting is normally a
very warm, polite rooms in most in most instances, but
because of the speed of it and because you're working

(28:00):
with like eight hundred different clients in those rooms, they
could be rough, rough rooms in terms of how you
felt as an actor you could get shuffled in there
and kind of feel a little like mistreated. And this
was part of the thing. It wasn't like a horrible mistreatment,
but it was just like, if there's one aspect of
casting that had that, it was the commercial and even
shooting commercials sometimes everything else you're pretty well taken care of,

(28:23):
especially with cast. And I always tell actors that who
are nervous about auditions, it's like they want you to
do well. They want you to be the answer to
their problem. They want you to come in and surprise
them or be exactly what they were looking you know,
so they're rooting for you. Every room you go into
is rooting for you. They don't want an awkward experience either.
They want their answers solved. And so yeah, yeah, but

(28:44):
to your to your point in terms of commercial I've
never really thought about this before, but I think when
you're dealing with brands, you're dealing with at times you know,
the executives, and they're not they're not artists, so they're
not looking to take care of you. And I remember
probably feeling like you would enter the threshold of the

(29:05):
room from this, you know, there's eight people bustling around.
Your name would be called. You would walk through the threshold,
and at times they would look at you and then
just immediately looked down like you are clearly not the
look that they want. It doesn't matter what you say
or do, because it's all about this look that they're

(29:26):
looking for. And then you have to kind of continue
for the next few minutes knowing this is just not
happening and that yeah, exactly. Um. Early on you break
out of doing commercials, you start doing some guest star roles,

(29:47):
and my research has indicated one of the first scripted
shows that you did not the first, but one of
was a little television show called The off Us. I'd
have to look into that and see what was it
called again? The Office? Yeah, Office, talk to me about

(30:09):
the audition for that. Had you met Alison Jones before
or was that new? Was this? Did this had anything
to do with the commercial stuff? Because this was a
local ad where Michael tries to create a local ad
and your ad man, Um, let's go to a clip.
J Yeah, it is a brilliant and I'm sure your
fans the minute you said the local ad episode, they

(30:31):
know exactly what you're talking about because it's hilarious and
that was that was so fun and that the show
was that season three, four four, episode nine of season
four of season four and um, Jason who had just right,
Jason Reitman, and he had just directed Juno, and Juno
was not out yet, but it was getting like festival

(30:52):
love and stuff. And I remember him like jokingly putting
Juno stickers all over the set because he was like, yeah, yeah, Um.
So Alison Jones is and you know this completely responsible
for so many people's careers. My you know, one of
the handful of cast directors that are just like my
guardian angels in this business and who I constantly you know,

(31:13):
just thanking because she Now it's interesting, was that what
years that two thousand seven, this would have been oh nine,
probably oh eight oh nine. It might she might have
just been starting to get me, because around that time
she cast me in a few things and then and
then since then, I guess that has been just a
great booster in my career, so wonderful. So this might

(31:35):
have been one of the first things with her. One
thing I did around that time is I worked. I
I did this thing called real Prose. Do you remember
Real prose or any of those casting workshops, and they
had a somewhat of a controversial moment because they was
considered paying for auditioning and so, but it really it
was like a workshop and then and once a week
or so they'd bring casting directors in and you could

(31:56):
actually audition for them in this workshop, in this class.
I was doing that a lot around that time. I
actually got a few little things from that. I don't
think Allison was, so I actually don't remember the audition process,
doubt very highly. I was. It was like an offer,
so I must have auditioned for it. And remember I
remember the striking thing about that was like, oh, you guys,
like most of the cast stays in on all scenes,

(32:16):
so like actors always kind of like, oh, I'm not
in this scene, great, like it's great, But in the
office they're like, no, you guys need to be in
the background. And I were you. Do you remember that
scene by any chance, or or that episode if you
would have been back in that because that probably we
might have met that day. You guys were all, yeah,
I'm I'm sure that we did. I do remember I
went back and looked at some of the stuff in

(32:39):
preparation for talking to you. But it was a crazy
thing because yeah, like you said, we were all all
there almost all the time. So unless you know, you
had some characters who went to a restaurant or did
something else, we were all sort of sort of there. Um,
do you have any memories of being there or of Steve.

(33:00):
It was one of those things, Yeah, where you this
happens sometimes, and I'm sure in the office you guys
had this all the time. You kind of get the
best seat because there was so much observing in that show,
so much time where you're just sort of like you're like, Okay,
this person gets to do their thing now, and I'm
literally just reacting and Steve, I just remember being in
the presence that we were. I was already a fan
of his, and where I just got to sit across

(33:21):
from him. I just fed him a couple of lines
and he got to you know, he had a scripted version,
and you know, you get that, and then when once
that was gotten, he was like go off on his own.
And the whole bit is that he keeps building this
ridiculous commercial idea. So it's really like a comedians dream,
Like all right, give me a couple of takes where
I just get to build the most ridiculous ambition for
this this local commercial. So I just remember being charmed

(33:44):
by that very hum humble and quiet. You know, you're
being a guest star, co star and those things you
really don't want to step on anyone's toes. So I
I just sort of like a fly on the wall,
but also like you're always pinching yourself in this business
that you're getting to do it. So it was like,
I hope I'm prepared enough to do that what I
got to do, and also kind of enjoy it while
I'm doing it. This is really exciting, and so I
just remember kind of just sort of enjoying getting to

(34:06):
watch him work, and also great professionalism by all of you,
and just like camaraderie. So I remember that a couple
of you guys, and I'm not sure if you were
like we're playing like fantasy football. I think it was
like Dwight and Jim, we're like, but in real life
they were like in between takes, they were they were
like looking at their fantasy scores together, and I just
saw like your sweet friendship friendliness and it was just me, Yeah,

(34:28):
we just recorded for this our super Bowl episode where
we had are a commissioner on and uh we just
finished our eighteenth year doing the Office Fantasy Football League,
so great. Yeah, those times we might have still been
drafting on a yellow legal pad. But maybe I do

(34:50):
remember that looking down, or maybe he was using a laptop. Yeah,
I don't think the phone smartphone quite yet? Yeah, no,
not quite. Um, you mentioned before you kind of get
a big break here. You get cast as the lead
in Worst Week for CBS and this was because of
a commercial you were in. Is this how this started? Yeah?

(35:11):
I mean that was like a big loan process. I
auditioned with a bunch of people, and then the project
Michelle thro a year or something. And in the meantime,
the great Jay tars As, the creator of several shows
I think, including The Merry Time and War Show, was
the father of Matt Tarsas, another brilliant mind in this
business who is a show creator and TV writer. And
Jay told his his son, Hey, Divy seen this commercial.

(35:34):
This This is like probably the energy you're looking for
for Worst Week, and and Matt was like, I think
I've seen that kid. I think he might have come
in last spring. So they brought me in again, and
thankfully I did the whole process of coming in a
couple of times, then testing in front of the CBS
executives and probably read three or four times to get it.

(35:57):
But without that phone cam, without that commercial or I
wouldn't have had that chance, which which was extraordinary. And
CBS wasn't really doing the single camera comedies at the time,
so this was their big swing with with single camera
comedies and lovely, amazing experience all around. This really was
happy and Matt Tarsus is amazing, and it was great

(36:19):
Cat working with Smith and was still friends with now
and and uh it was it. Yeah, it was great.
It was based on a British show which this is
two thousand and eight, The Office is taking off, and
I wondered, I wondered about that, like CBS taking a
run at single camera British adapted shows. Well, yeah, you know,

(36:41):
I think you're exactly right. Yeah, I think there was
a lot of that going on, and looking back, you're
at it hadn't really pieced it all together, but there was. Yeah,
that was definitely that, and they weren't really they had
all their multi cam stuff working really well for them,
so Ultimately we got to shoot I think eighteen episodes
and they aired I think fourteen to them or so,

(37:01):
which for me was I remember a lot of people being,
you know, feeling really bad for me, Like when we
kind of had the feeling that it was going to
get canceled, and I was like, when you're coming up
in l A, every single small step is like a
huge deal that you are proud of yourself for, you know,
like that, you know, I got into audition for a pilot.

(37:22):
That's huge. Oh, the pilot is actually go I got
a part in the pilot. That's good. Oh, your pilot
didn't go to series. I don't know that the next one,
you know, but I'm in the game. You know. It's like,
so I remember being sad that I wasn't gonna get
to work with Aaron Hayes and Matt and Kurtwood and
Nancy and all. You know. Fred Willard played my dad
in that show. I mean, I couldn't. There was no
world where there was anything bad about you know. Yeah,

(37:45):
it's it's sad to lose it, but like I got
to have Fred Willard play my dad, you know, and
he actually looks like my dad in real life. So
it's it's just sort of like looks like yeah, yeah, yeah,
its like Ron and friend. You're like, Kyle, your dad
looks like too many people also weirdly and Thomas he
kind of looks like Steve Martin too. Actually there's a

(38:05):
right behind me. It was a picture of my dad
from his days back in the U in South and
WSBT news. Um. But yeah, I mean it was just
you know, getting a big show is is life changing.
You know. Do you feel like that gave you confidence
moving forward? I mean having that experience of doing that
that same role every day sixteen eighteen weeks or whatever

(38:28):
it was it did. It gave me a couple of
different things with that. It taught me both good and
bad about my own approach to that stuff. I really
wore myself out with it and I and I had
a very specific way that I wanted to like do
the physical comedy and and I was it was my
first time like being that big on a show or
being like the lead of a show, and I think

(38:52):
I put a lot of pressure on myself. I had fun.
I didn't feel like stressed out or nervous. I was
like I had fun, But I was like very like,
do you know did we get that? And should we
do another one? I have another you know, I didn't
understand TV. I didn't understand that. You know, these directors
had a shotlist they needed to get through, you know.
For someone I thought, like somebody that came from like
wanting to be a director, I would be much more

(39:13):
understanding about that. But I was like, can we do
twelve more takes? Please? Because I think you know? So
I think I was very much like and I was like,
I didn't get it. You know, I slipped, but it
looked like I knew I was gonna slip. I want
to make it more surprising when I slept whatever. So
I was very kind of demanding on myself and then
ignorance of the process. So I feel like if I
went back in time, I would just be a little
more like, oh, everyone has a job to do here,

(39:33):
and I need to make sure that I'm not like
stepping on toes. So I think I just learned how
to be a little bit of a better professional, and
that came also from working with people and watching them.
Kurtwood Smith was was excellent to just sort of being
a great model for how to conduct yourself. And it
probably took me a few years to learn how to
like get what I wanted to get across in the
in the earlier takes, you know, it's quicker, especially for television,

(39:57):
so that I didn't feel like I left anything out there,
and I did feel like I was slowing anything down,
because you never want to be the person that's slowing
anything down. I always like tell people like kind of
learned early on what everyone has to do on set
and stuff, so that you kind of understand how the
whole production works as a whole. So I think just
that learning experience was key. Um, and then knowing that, yeah,
I just taught you like what you need to get ready, Like, oh,
if I'm gonna do this kind of joke, this is

(40:18):
the kind of preparation I need for it. So yeah,
such a learning experience. You have guest starred on an

(40:45):
incredible number of what I'm just gonna call today to
make it simple, Hall of Fame shows. So we're gonna
play a new game games with Kyle. This is going
to be first thing that comes to mind when you
think of your time working on the following shows. Are

(41:05):
you ready? Yeah, this is called first thing that comes
to mind slash Hall of Fame with Kyle. Here we Go,
How I Met Your Mother? Hybrid no live audience, so
they they that was the big thing with that um
is most of it comes always at live audience, and
they invented this. This didn't invent it, but they really

(41:26):
did where you didn't always have a lot of audience.
And I remember loving that because I get very nervous
with live audiences, and I still it's funny. I don't
remember the lines right now, but it's something about pregnancy,
and I just remember I remember sitting there on that
couch doing that bit. Also same same thing, very proud
and excited I had a job and like not wanting
to screw it up, breaking bad. The greatest thing in

(41:50):
the world. He is amazing. So when you talk about
like a model for professionalism, he is the exact model.
He got. This is their first season. It wasn't big,
No one knew that this was gonna be the iconic
show was. But he got a gift for me, Like
the minute I walked in my trailer. He was just
so accommoding to everyone, was just so lovely with everyone.

(42:11):
The whole set was doing like something I think because
we're talking. We're talking about Brian Cranston, right, Sorry, he
bought you a gift? Yeah, yes, he gets everybody that
comes on that set of gift like a really nice
welcome gift and maybe even a goodbye gift. And I
don't think I was there for more than two days,
and so he just very I know, now you feel bad,
don't you? Like now I'm like, shit, I don't know

(42:31):
if I've got enough gifts for people I don't know,
and even family members, I don't know if I've got
enough gifts for And this guy's getting No, he's like
and he's just so present to everybody while doing these
amazing like okay action and then he has to do
this guttural heat emotional performance and it's not like he
like snaps out of it right away. He just he
knows how to Like he's just kind and wonderful profession

(42:52):
He's one of my best models I ever saw for
like how to conduct yourself. So that's what I remember.
And then just also it was the writer's strike, so
I think were finishing production like the day I was
leaving because they had the writer's strikes. So I think
that first season had less episodes than the other ones.
And I just remember looking back being like, oh, no
one knew at this time. Everyone had confidence in the show,
and it looks great and it was really fun and

(43:13):
everyone I kind of knew it was good material and
no one knew it was going to become, you know,
one of the greatest shows of all time. That is insane.
That is insane. I'm going to share with you a story.
I don't know that i've shared this story. If I
have listeners, then go back. I don't think I have.
I was invited to join the Television Academy and I

(43:36):
was like, well, I'm I'm in the Academy now and
I need to do my part. And I remember that
year for the Emmys, I signed up to be a
special judge on basically everything that I could, so like,
I think I wasn't allowed to do anything for comedy.
That was it. So it was like Best Actor in
a Drama, Best Supporting Actor in a Drama, Best Get

(44:00):
Star in a drama. By the way, what this means
is you have to watch a tremendous number of hours
of television and then you guys are then put the
pool together that then has made it in denomination. No,
So I think what it is is we were given ten.
So the member the membership at Hole had sort of
gone down to ten. And what I knew was this.

(44:23):
What I knew was I had never heard of Breaking Bad,
and I knew that there was a huge percentage of
the membership that had never heard of Breaking Bad. So
to get down to that ten, I wasn't sure how
Brian Cranston at that moment had gotten to be one
of those ten, just because when when you're in the
academy and you vote, you just vote for what you know.

(44:44):
I had not heard of this show, and I was
studied television. So I got the ten tapes and I
mean tremendous performances from those days, all of them, and
then you had to rank them one through ten, and
they used that in combination in with the larger academy
to decide who wins the Emmy. And I watched those

(45:05):
ten tapes and for those of you listening right now,
we're not talking to Brian, but that performance in the pilot,
it was the pilot was so unbelievably amazing. I mean
I was blown away. I hadn't heard of the show.
I hadn't seen the show. I went immediately and found

(45:26):
all of the episodes to watch at that moment. And
he won the Emmy that year because not just did
I put him one, everybody who was in that pool
had to put him one because there just wasn't there
could not have been enough people like in other words,
as a member, I hadn't voted for him because I
hadn't seen the show. I didn't I didn't know. Anyway,

(45:46):
I will never forget watching that performance for the first
time and and seeing that and the fact that he
was so kind and nice. He directed on the office
as well, and I got to, um, but that's amazing. Uh,
this is not this is not turned into the rapid
fire game that I intended. But anyway, that well, that
was my fault. I tend to get very long than

(46:07):
did on just no impact answers. Give me one more.
I'm gonna try to give one. I'm gonna try to
give a quick answer. Well, no, don't do that, because
then I ended up in Eric's lighting three takes in
a row when he's very polite and and just sort
of politely asking me to get out of his life.

(46:28):
H I love that, alright. A couple more West World Western.
If you ever get a chance to do a Western,
do it. It's the greatest thing in the world. You
get to clunk around in boots and the dust kicks
up in your face and you feel like you're literally
back in time. I loved it also Season one, which
we had no idea what we were doing, right, I
liked that show season one a lot. Modern Family, Oh yeah,

(46:49):
giggling all the time because it's just there everyone, and
it is so funny. And the concept was funny, which
is that Jesse thinks I he was like he flirted
with me when we were teenagers and he thought that
I was straight, and he thought he was being too
like forward with me, and he wanted to apologize, and
I'm like, oh no, I was, yeah, like I just
wasn't into you, and I every time that that part.

(47:10):
It was just a great concept. Um. And also I
just remember that they and you guys probably got in
this late in the office. They shot like eight nine
hour days, which is if there anyone out there that
that is unheard of in this business, but which should
be more normal at least of you know, nine ten
hour day rather Okay, last one, better call Saul revisiting

(47:31):
eight years by My Bath after Breaking Bad. Yeah, Better
Call Saul. That was another great one where I got
a great of you for the second time. I had
Better Call Saul. Where was it the first time? I forget? Um,
I'm at a bar and I just get to watch
Odin Kirk do his thing. He had like a big monologue,

(47:51):
I think, and it's just another thing where I like
and then I have to come in and say like
two lines for this first scene. I just remember being like, man,
better Call Saul had already been kind of a legendary show.
Break Better already been here show, So now I'm just
on this like legendary set. I think they had won
the Enmy the year before, and he gave like a
speech to the crew, like really nice speech to the crew,
and I just remember pinching myself and feeling fortunate to
be back on that. And then in the A d

(48:13):
R session where they needed it, like the after the
well have you explained to you? Um? They remember them,
They're like, you just be an asshole, like off camera,
I want him to be reacting to you being an asshole.
And and I just remember, like they said, they said,
say the worst and most awful things you can say.
And so I just remember doing that, sitting in a
in a sound booth in North Hollywood, just coming up

(48:34):
with the Vince had written a few awful things for
me to say, and just like, I don't know if
I hope or don't hope that that summer is still
out there. Um, I guess a couple more, but these
are more discussions Rest Development. You played the character Shannon Ryan.
That's your wife's name. That's my wife's Did you just

(48:55):
choose it? No? Uh? What's his name? The creator of
the show? Oh, my names are escape give me today. Um,
when you when you edit this, go, when you go back,
just his name in my voice, my face right away.
It's funny because my boys have been watching the Rest
of Development lately. So they were friends. So my wife worked,
they worked together. She's an executive now at Disney. At
the time when they were doing the Rest of she
was an executive on that show, and she was friends

(49:17):
with with him, and he thought it would be funny
to call me Shannon, right to call me her name? Um, okay,
last one, this one, We've got to dive into this.
I've got to understand bow Jack Horseman now you weren't
in this. You you have not appeared in this to

(49:39):
my knowledge. But your name is I need to understand
how this happens? Well, yeah, this basically I have to
say the line to let people know. The line is
Pickles about dinner tonight? Am I any network with the
show starring Kyle Bornheimer? Because I have to cancel? Now

(50:05):
do you know these guys? How did this? How did
this start? And why why are there so many inside
jokes about you in in show? What happened? Is this flattering?
I don't understand it's it Remember earlier when I said, Hey,
I'm just happy to be here. Um uh so, yeah,
there's how what's the best Listen? That is a great joke?

(50:28):
First of all, objectively, that is a killer joke. And yes,
there was a time when I would get cast and
and frankly listen, I work hard. I think I do
well what I do? Um, yeah, I don't know. I
mean I've always I'm definitely, at least for a long
time in the network side of network companies, but definitely

(50:48):
known for like my shows would only be on for
a year, happy year, sometimes four episodes. Um again, I
do go back to like I'm just happy to be here.
And I know as long as my career can keep going.
You know, there's no guaranteed you're gonna get on some big,
long lasting show. And I know that. But that probably
sounds like I'm trying to, like, you know, not tell
people how hurt I am by it. But I don't know,

(51:10):
I do. I feel like I have a pretty zen
perspective on it, and I just know how hard it is. Yeah,
So I don't know if the main takeaway is that
is a very funny and well crafted joke, and so
I'm happy to be a part of it. Well, I mean,
look I read I was like, what in the what

(51:30):
in the hell is this? And then I was not
sure that we were going to discuss it today. But
after our conversation, I felt like I felt like it
was a conversation we could have. Do you know our
net or do you know any of those guys I do?
One of my earliest jobs they would never remember, but
was Blades of Glory. Wait wait, I had a quick
little saw them. Yeah, yeah, that was my first first movie.

(51:54):
I think ever. Um had one line, which is it's
Europe or something like that. Our kids now go to
school together. I don't think there might be one writer
on that staff. I think that at that time that
might have known me. I almost hope it wasn't, though
I hope it was like so known that just like, yeah,
you know, I just saw a trailer for a show

(52:14):
with Kyle Brnomer. Let's what's the bet that this is
gonna be on six episodes? To uh? You know? I
I love most of the show. Did I didn't want
show during that period that was is I mean, worst
week had a great as it had a great like
little cult following ample, but also this show Perfect Couples,
which was lovely and I had a wonderful time which
was a really neat experiment, you know, like I've never

(52:38):
had a bad experience in this. If you're working in
this industry, you know, and you have, you know, halfway
decent attitude about it, you're usually having a good time
because at the very least you're working with really they're nice,
kind people, are incredibly talented people usually both and you're
sometimes legends. You know, I could be on a bad
show that I'm suddenly like working with some legend and

(52:59):
I'm just thrilled. Brooklyn nine nine Teddy wells with my
old buddy creator Mike. Sure, how did you get involved
with that show? Did you know? Mike? Yeah, since I mean,
uh we we we now we are kind of neighbors
and and our our our boys are are really good
friends and we're sort of family friends with Mike and

(53:20):
j J. And at the time, I don't think I, um,
we knew each other very well, if at all, because
that was probably starting to win. And I can't remember
if that was an audition or an offer, but either way,
it was perfect for me. That was right in my
wheel er. So just like a goofy, overly sort of
boring dude, you know, probably typecast. Um. Yeah, that one

(53:44):
was very easy from the perspective I I kind of
knew exactly what I want to do with it was
written in a way that you know that shows written
so well, like they great secret sauce in that show.
Um also works very quick. And I remember a great
group like you guys, just a great group of people,
and you know, it's Sony Mike and this was in
the office, and this was in Parks and Wreck and

(54:04):
then and I've heard us talked about a little bit.
They kind of ushered in the but sometimes it's called
non conflict comedy, which is like, we grew up in
very conflict e comedy, and that seemed to be the rule.
Like you had to have two opposite roommates that we're
always arguing, or you had to have like the asshole
at the office that was like saying sexist ship to
the secret You know, there was always like and I
think we've just been with you all of a sudden

(54:26):
of like the late nineties early two comedies, there was
like a different way in the comedy. And I think
that's what like this community of funny people where funny
things happen. It's not like because that sort of conflict
comedy doesn't work, but it just like a new style
and I think he ushered that in and I think
it also just created I think this amazing camaraderie with
those big casts of eight, nine, twelve people that those

(54:47):
shows have. Wow, that is such an interesting point that
I have not thought about that before. But you're observational
or whatever what you would call it, but it's also
like more character based, you know, and you may have
idiosyncrasies it's a polite way to say it, or you know,

(55:09):
specific character traits that that might be oppositional in a way,
but like, yeah, if you think about you know, Dwight
or Ron Swanson or those characters, that, yeah, it's not
it's not like totally oppositional in a way. It's much
more ensemble specific characters who are interacting together and quite frankly,

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most of the time, there's a there's a genuine basis
of love and ensemble togetherness that's sort of is behind
all of it. It's very interesting. Yeah, I think that quality. Yeah,
it's hard to sort of like put my finger out.
It definitely was a switch and just a new color
to television comedy that was celebrated and fostered in that time.

(55:54):
And I think Mike was instrumental that and Greg and
all those guys. Yeah, yeah, you've been very busy lately.
Avenue five, your interstellar comedy alongside Hugh Lowry and my
old buddy Zach was fun show to be a part
of that. Crazy, fun and and crazy. And Zach is,

(56:17):
as you know, one of the great comedic minds and
just minds in general. And that guy's mind is he's
another one where we all just sit like, okay, Zack,
it's just you know, it's that the cameras on Zach
and like, what's he gonna do? Um, And yet we're
in a spaceship all time, this crazy, humongous spaceship with
a working elevator, like and you know, our Madi Nichi

(56:39):
just sort of composing and conducting this complete chaos with
these really subtle sort of social commentary underneath that. All
of us about the fourth episode, we're like, oh, wait,
he's talking about Brexit. We were all like, this is
like just this was you know, we didn't even understand
like one of the great satirists of our time was
like doing a satire again. We're like, oh, this seems

(57:00):
like funny goofy space companies. Oh no, he's actually he's
talking about how like the rise of tyranny in in uh,
some of the major nations in the world right now. Um,
so like we actually got you know, he got to
dig deep and living in London was beautiful and and uh,
Jessica said Claire, who's a great friend of mine, played
We played a husband and wife for like the thirteenth

(57:20):
time on screen, weedless love playing off each other, and um,
Hugh Laurie is exactly the the amazing sophisticated brit that
you think he is, and drive a motorcycle and and
we're all kind of in awe of him. Well, every
single person has a crush on Hugh LORI uh so, yeah, incredible.
Also high school out now, were you a Teagan and

(57:44):
Sarah fan? Marginally, I've since become much more. But I
I knew like about five of their bigger songs, walking
to the Ghost and a couple of their hits and
the Lego song. I knew about and and knew them
and always see them like on festival posters when I
was I was looking at festivals, so but really thrilled
to sort of dive deeper into their work, which is

(58:06):
incredibly rewarding. Like they they've had ten or twelve albums
the last twenty years and so they have a library
of songs. It's really good. So that was fun and
getting to know them and reading that book about them,
that experience was a great clean of all Or Cantrell,
who created the show. And that's I'm sort of rambling
now just because I can't think of any other words
besides fantastic and awesome. But it's it's the nineties set

(58:29):
in the nineties, I love the nineties. I kind of
considered myself an expert on the nineties and sort of
like that indie flavor of the nineties, any movies, any music.
I was kind of that kid and this sort of
minds that world, that part of the nineties, but in
a in a from a perspective that I was so
ignorant of, like embarrassingly so two girls, you know, coming

(58:50):
of age and coming out and discovering music for themselves,
and in a still pretty close minded nineties. Even though
we kind of considered nineties the beginning of sort of
modern progressive out too, it's about these things, it was
still pretty close minded. So sort of seeing that the
nineties from that perspective compared to the perspective I had
was eye opening. And I'm so glad I got to

(59:10):
get that in my life. That's awesome. Kyle. Thank you
so much for coming on sharing your story. I'm a
big fan of yours. I'll watch you do basically anything,
not everything, but basically everything. And I appreciate you coming
and uh and taking some time with me today. And

(59:31):
I found you you have opened my eyes in a
new way. I'm super super fascinated by this. Idea. I'm
gonna be thinking about it later today, This idea of
of the shift in comedy and the paradigm that those
guys changed. That's and you're very interesting and you're a
delight and I'm not even gonna just say hey anytime.

(59:52):
Please please have me back, all right after I had
I will canceled shows under my belt and U yes,
I will for sure. Thank you, Kyle. Of course, this
was great. Thank you so much, Kyle. It's so good

(01:00:19):
to see you again. Thank you for stopping by. I
cannot wait to check out your new show, High School.
And to those of you out there listening, thank you
as well. I'm gonna see you next week with another
guest with office roots, Deep deep office routes. Until then,
why don't you go out there and for yourselves and

(01:00:39):
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