November 27, 2024 • 55 mins
This Thanksgiving week, S.E. brings on blogger, travel host and the Comfort Food podcast host, Kelly Rizzo. Kelly started the Comfort Food podcast in 2022 after her husband, comedian Bob Saget, died suddenly. That terrible moment and year threw the newlywed into an identity crisis. But through grief, she leaned on the things she loves — food, travel, and music — to find her sense of self again. S.E. and Kelly talk about how she and Bob met (the real story) and their hilarious honeymoon. Kelly also brings S.E. back to the day she got the call that Bob was found dead in a hotel room in Florida while on tour. S.E. and Kelly talk about dealing with anxiety when tragedy strikes, the grief journey, and how she managed to re-enter the dating pool with another 90s acting icon (and what Bob would think of it all). Kelly's podcast Comfort Food is on hiatus, but she just launched a new membership support group called Comfort Club. Check it out!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He was kind of getting the vibe that I wasn't
really into it, and he's like, you know what, this
is great. I think you're very nice, but I'm not
going to come to dinner tonight because you know, I
kind of like you and it just seems like you're
not into it and that's fine, Like we could still be friends.
And in that moment, I was like, shit, do I
like him? Oh? No, do I like him? Do I
have a crush on Bob Zaggett?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
This is weird?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti
anxiety antidote. And you think you know what I do
because you can see what I do for a living.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I do it on television.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I talk about politics, but sometimes my job is very
weird and has me doing very weird things. So in
twenty sixteen, I was asked to help roast James Carville
the Rage in Cajun, the famed Democratic strategist at the
Kennedy Center in Washington, DC. And I didn't totally know
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what I was in for, but I joined. Let's see
Tucker Carlson, Paul Bagala, Jeff Ross, Al Sharpton, Jim Norton, Triumph,
The Insult, comic Dog and others to celebrate James Carvill,
but also like filfully, filfully denigrade him. And I mean,
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let's it was a dirty It was a dirty night,
and I'm just glad my parents weren't there and my
bosses weren't there. But I take my husband to this
and I go backstage before the thing, and I'm in
my dressing room kind of going over this filthy script
that they have written for me to deliver about James Carvill,
and I hear a voice and he says, who let
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you in here? And I turn around and it's Bob Saggott.
He was the master of ceremonies for that night, and
he could immediately tell how nervous I was to deliver
these very very off color remarks. And he squeezed my
shoulder and he said, don't worry, kiddo, nothing you say
will be worse than what we're going to say. And
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he took the stage and indeed, when he introduced me,
said that he would have hit on me if my
husband hadn't been such a cock block. This is in
front of myt like people I have admired in politics
four years. But it was a memorable night and after
everything was done, we went backstage for a small after party,
and Bob couldn't wait to come over to us and
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make sure that we were okay with everything that had happened,
and of course we were. And then, totally unprompted, he
started gushing about a woman he was seeing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He was so smitten and excited.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He pulls out his phone to show me a picture,
pictures of her, pictures of her travel adventures, her culinary creations,
all this stuff. He was so proud of her, and
he was so so in love. He just couldn't stop
talking about her to me and my husband, and I
think he might have even called her while we were
standing there and talking. He would go on to marry
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her two years later, and as we know, just four
years later he died unexpectedly. But that woman that he
could not wait to talk about Kelly Rizzo. She's my
guest today and I could not be more thrilled. She's
an actress, producer, world traveler, host of Comfort Food with
Kelly Rizzo.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Kelly, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my god, I say that just made me tear
up because I knew that you and I had been
connected a long time ago through Bob in some way,
but I forgot exactly how until you just recanted that
story and retold that story because I remember so specifically
when he did that roast and we had just started dating.
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We were very very new, but you know, we progressed
very quickly, like yeah, I think it was on our
first date ever, like we said I love you when
we were boyfriend girlfriend, Like I'm literally on our first
official date. It was crazy. So even though it was
a few months and we still were very close, and
I remember he was so excited to do that James
Carvil roast and to you know, be the MC and
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he told me he met you, and I was like, oh,
I love Essie because he had been telling me, you know, oh,
there's this person here in this person and most of
the people I knew of, but when he said that
you were on the DAIS, I was like, oh my god,
I love her. And he's like, oh, she's so cool.
I met her and her husband and he gushed about you.
And now I'm finding out that he gushed about me,
and that just means so much to me that you
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just told me that story. So thank you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm so glad because my next question was going to
be Do you remember that, Like, did he talk to
you about that night, because oh, he he tours, he was,
you know, doing all kinds of cool things that could
have been just another night for him. For me, it
was obviously very memorable. So I'm glad that he that
it was memorable for him too.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he didn't know a ton of people in the
political world, and he didn't really, you know, pay too
much attention to that, and then that's why when he
brought you up, I was like, oh, oh my god,
I know her.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And he did send me videos that night of triumph,
like over his shoulder, being like hello, Kelly, you know,
like he was, and I was like, so, what is
going on? Like who is this guy that I'm daty?
I think I think I remember. It was like Dana
Carvey was there and John loved Miigel.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, Bob Smigel was there, right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah. He was sending me all these videos of all
of these people. You know, he had Dana Carvey do
something from Garth from Waynes World, and I was like,
oh my god, this is so exciting. But I remember
that night, so while I wasn't there, but he was
sending me all these videos, and it was so exciting
to like be included.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You were there, You were there in spirit, he was,
you were top of mind, and it's all you were
all he wanted to talk about. And I want to
talk more about Bob because.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We should ease.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I love talking about Bob and we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
But first I want to talk about you. You you
grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yes, yeah, my whole life until just seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So what part.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I grew up in Lakeview, in the city, right near
Wrigley Field, and then right before high school we moved
up to Glen View, so the North Shore, and then
my family's now up in Lake Forest and Highland Park.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But then I lived in the city in River Nor
and Lincoln Park for maybe fifteen years or so before
I moved out to.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
LA My parents lived in Lake Bluff for some time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, while I was in.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
College and very close to my parents.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was obviously it's a lovely town.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And my best friend in college was a Cubs fan,
and so I went to school in New York, but
we would go now that my parents were living there,
we would go to Cubs games together, so I got
real familiar with Chicago, and I love Chicago. I'm from Boston,
and to me, Chicago feels similarly like a It is
a town that imprints on your identity, Like I'm Boston
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is a very big part of bicultural identity. I feel
like Chicago's a similar kind of town. Do do you
feel that way?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yes? Yeah, Boston and Chicago, especially when you look at
Wrigley Field and Fenway, you know, like there are two
totally similar historical you know, references that kind of tie
the city together. And I'm you know, nor sider, Soakubs
fan too, not a soccer fan, so I think, yeah,
Boston and Chicago they have like deep like cultural ties, food.
(07:08):
You know, it was kind of a working class city,
but yet it's a beautiful city. So yeah, I could
see how the two cities are very kindred spirits.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Are you defensive about Chicago?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, yes, I am very However, I love New York.
I'm obsessed with New York. I would I lived in
Chicago for thirty eight years. I don't really see myself
living there again, but I could see myself living in
New York. And like my sister, for instance, my middle
sister Kristen, anytime I say anything like, oh, I love Chicago,
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but I don't know, I see myself more in New York.
She's like, how could you How could you say that
about Chicago. It's the best city in the world. I
was like, it's the best city in the summer in
the world. You know. There are some limitations though, you know,
and I am a big Chicago fan. However, I also
(08:03):
like other places too, where some people are like Chicago
or die yeah Chicago, or buy right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I got the same shit when I moved to New
York too, you know, from my Boston fan. But what
kind of things were you into as a kid?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh gosh, I was very much of a tomboy. I
was playing basketball with all the boys. You know, in
the nineties in Chicago, there was no bigger thing than
the Chicago Bulls. So I embraced that completely, where I'm like,
I'm a basketball player, this is what I do. So
I was very into that. It's so funny because people
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just assumed that because such a big part of my
career now is food and travel, that that's something I
was into from a very young age, and I wasn't really.
I was just like all kids of the eighties, were
you know, we actually played outside, yeah, and had lives
where you know, we enjoyed hanging out with our friends
and didn't have our parents breathing down our necks all
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the time. And yep. So yeah, just growing up, I
was just always, you know, pretty free spirited and definitely
a tomboy. And then it wasn't until I maybe was
in my twenties when I really started getting into travel
and food and then that became my passion big time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What sparked you to get into that? What did you
maybe planned to do? How did your career arc start.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's so interesting because I was in My family's been
in real estate for fifty years now, and so I
started off in real estate. So I was a realtor
in Chicago for almost twenty years and it was great
because you know, when the market was great and we're
making a lot of money, it was great. And then
the market crashed and I'm like this sucks. Oh my god,
I hate this now. And I had gone through a divorce,
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you know, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, something like that, and
I was hating real estate and I'm like, I just
need to reinvent myself. I need a whole reinvention, what
do I love of? What am I passionate about? This
is when people were starting blogs, you know, back in
the day, like let's start a blog, and I'm like, well,
I know a lot about food, travel and music, and
I love food, travel and music, and I think I'd
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like to talk about that. So I just went online
and I bought Eat Travel Rock dot com and then
I just started blogging, and I knew I really wanted
to do more on camera. And I started working with
this like really big country bar, country music bar in Chicago,
and I was doing all their backstage interviews for them,
interviewing some of the biggest country artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And then that kind of turned into some other like
rock musician interviews, and then I was interviewing chefs, and
then it just slowly I started phasing out real estate
and then phasing in to the Eat Travel Rock career,
and then it got to a point where that became
more of a full time gig.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I love travel, and we'll get into it, but I
always was a little bit jealous of people who got.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
To travel for a living, travel hosts.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And you know, I was really into like sam Bras,
Samantha Brown, Yes, and Rick Steve's still that juggernaut. But
I also imagined it might be lonely, a bit lonely
sometimes to do so much travel on your own because
it's work. I mean, sometimes you get to bring your friends,
I'm sure, but like there's a lot of alone travel.
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And I know, for me, when I'm traveling, sharing it
with someone, whether it's my husband or my parents or
my kid is so important, right, is it ever lonely
for you?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I will say that the vast majority of the trips
either yes, I bring a friend, or I'm with someone
for my you know, production crew or something, so I'm
never really alone. But the joke is, if I'm traveling
with let's say, you know, my director or producer or something,
I'm the only one on camera. So it always looks
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like I'm alone, and it always looks like I have
no friends. And so every once in a while when
I do get to bring a friend on the on
a trip, I get so excited because I'm like, oh,
it looks like I have a friend. It doesn't look
like I'm alone. People always like, God, what does she
do by herself all the time? You know? But I'm
even though behind the scenes I'm not alone, it looks
like I'm alone, so it's fun to then, you know,
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make it look like I have some friends every yeah,
so yeah, it hasn't gotten lonely yet. I'm actually I'll
give you a little kind of sneak peek. Next week,
I'm taking my first ever international solo trip completely alone.
Man traveled a ton domestically alone for a lot of work,
but never internationally where I'm there the whole time by myself.
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So and that's where you're going. I'm going to Munich.
Oh so yeah, and I've never been. So it's only
a quick, like three day trip, but it's my first
truly solo international trip.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let me say this because the other thing I'm jealous
of is men. Men who you know I have all
these dude friends will be like, oh, I'm on a
business trip. I would just go to dinner by myself
or a bar by myself. And as a woman, this
feels like luxurious, a luxury. I you know, I've done
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a lot of solo travel for work, and I like
go to the hotel room.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And don't leave except for like my job.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And maybe I'm overreacting, but I don't know that I
would feel totally safe traveling by myself as a woman.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How do you feel, I Well, I mean, for the
most part, like I have friends who are quote unquote
female solo travelers, and they go everywhere and to some
places that I have zero desire to go to. Yeah,
and they still do it very safely usually for the
most part. Depending on where I'm going, I'm usually for
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the most part, I go to safe destinations, you know,
Like I've traveled to Switzerland a ton of times. Like
Switzerland's as safe as it gets, you know. Yeah, But
I don't know, I think. I don't want to say
like I have an edge, but growing up in Chicago,
I grew up and lived in some neighborhoods that were
not always the safest, and I was just so used
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to that, you know, because I grew up in the city,
I didn't come from like the suburban bubble that so
many of my friends did. Sure, And I think because
of that, I've always just been super alert. I'm just
very aware of my surroundings. Yeah, you know, if a
stranger comes up to me, I'm not gonna be like, oh, Hi,
what's your name? You know, I'm very skeptical and like
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the dinners by myself sometimes I really enjoy those. I
like being I just like being by myself a lot. Yeah,
and yeah, the safety issue is never too much on
my mind because I think I'm so aware and so
it's great. Yeah, you know, walking down a dark alley,
I mean, those are things that now I just I
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just wouldn't do. Like I'm anyway right, for the most part,
I've done that in the past. For the most part. Nowadays,
I'm like, all right, I'm not going to rough parts
of town and walking alone at night. You know, you
just you learn better, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So when you if you're choosing the destination, what kind
of traveler are you?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Do you like to relax by the pool.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Do you like to go out and learn a culture
and explore the streets, go to the museums.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What's your vibe?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, I'm definitely more of an active traveler. I don't
love just sitting around. Obviously, if you're going you know,
if you're going to Hawaii and you're going to a
beach destination, it's fine to lay by the pool a
bit or go to the beach. But even so, I'm like,
I want to go scuba diving. I want to go
do this activity. I SI want to go explore, and
for me, it's all of the food. I want to
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explore all of the food, all the indigenous cuisine, all
of the indigenous culture. You know, if I'm in Italy
or Spain or wherever I'm at. Tokyo. I was just
in Tokyo a few weeks ago, and all I wanted
to do is just go eat everything and just explore
and eat. So for me, it's pretty active. Not a
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big museum person really, but just seeing as much as
I can and really feeling as much like a local
as possible. I like to get peoples go and not
all the touristy spots.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, and that's why I love.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
My favorite thing to do is to go to the
grocery store in all different kinds of international cities, right
because then it is local.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
This is what real people who live.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
There are doing and buying and eating, And that always
gives me a real taste of a place. Are you
like me in that everywhere you go you think briefly
about moving there?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
This is so funny. Yes, yes, it depends on some locations.
I'm like, oh my god, I could see myself leaving
here and then other places. I'm like, okay, three days,
I've had enough. But it's so funny. I took a
trip not too long ago with my middle sister, the
one I referenced earlier, and we went to Switzerland, Scotland
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and Sicily, and I think there was another stop, like
there was a layover on the way and every single place.
She's like, I'm moving here. Yeah, I'm moving here. I'm like,
we've been here ten minutes. I'm moving here. And I
knew that she didn't mean any of it, but she was.
She's like, I'm moving here. Like okay, sure you are,
so yeah. I think that's a very normal thing to
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have that feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is our red flag.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
My husband and I share this wherever we go. It's
not we don't say it and not mean it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We mean it.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But the problem is we mean it everywhere. So like
we went to Arizona for spring break. I also lived
in Arizona for a time.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We love it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
We got home, We're like, well, we need we need
an investment property in Scottsdale, so we called a realtor
about that. Then we spent a month in Belgium. Our
retirement plan is to retire in Belgium. We're always looking
at houses in Belgium. We go to Florida a lot,
to Amelia Island. We talk to realtors there. We don't
have the money, Kelly, for all these homes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We don't have one. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't even know if any of it's possible. But
we treat it like we're serious buyers for everywhere we go,
because I don't know, it's just in our mind. There's
like we would we would live everywhere, we would have
a house everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
See what happens to me is do you see those
news articles a bunch where it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Italy will pay you, yes to move.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
There, you know, one thousand dollars or whatever for you
to buy a house or no, they'll give you the
house for free and pay you a thousand dollars, you know,
whatever the amount is.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And every time I see that, I'm like, why don't
I do that? And then I realized I just bought
a house in Studio City. It was only built in
nineteen forty eight, and I bought it. You know, it
was not a cheap house, and it's already falling apart.
I'm like, why would I think that I could handle
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a house built five hundred years ago in Italy that's
literally just a pile of rubble. And in my head,
I'm like, this is a great idea, and I'm also
there to fix it.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But also, we are United States citizens, you know, I
don't I can't work over there. I don't know what
my job would be if I moved to Belgium full time.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it does.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
None of these things get in my way.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I have the delusion of because my dad was
born in Sicily, that I should get dual citizenship. Yeah,
and that I've looked into it. It's actually a really
complicated process.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So have I because my family's from Italy too, But
they have to have not become US citizens.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, So if they became a US citizen before nineteen ninety,
then you renounce your Italian citizenship, right. There was no
dual citizenship prior to nineteen ninety or ninety one or
whatever the year is. So my dad came here in
nineteen fifty five and became a citizen probably when he
was in like nineteen sixty or something or fifty eight
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in the fifties. And so when you became a citizen
at that time, you renounced your Italian citizenship and you
could not hold dual citizenship. So because he renounced it
so long ago, even though I'm first generation, it's a
much more complicated process to do it. Where let's say
he became a citizen in ninety two, then there'd be
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absolutely no issue. I could just get it like that, right.
He's so bummed about him, like, ugh, why did you
have to become a citizen, Like you go back then?
Why didn't you wait? You know? But he's like, why
did you want to go back there? Do you how
hard we work to get here?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He's like, you don't want to go back? I'm like, no,
I want to go back.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I've done all the same research and had the same fantasies.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did did you and Bob go on a honeymoon?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We went to Sicily. I took him to my dad's
hometown of Schmina, which is like right outside of Palermo.
It's like, OK, fifty minutes outside of actually right near Cotalleone,
like literally the next town over. Yeah, So I took
him there.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
He was.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Slightly less than impressed. He's like, the whole town has
like two teeth, like the in three or town. He's like,
the women have beards, like, like, what's going on? Yeah,
and he was it was a little too not four
season Z for him, like he likes the five star
travel and my dad's hometown still has goats walking around,
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you know, And he's like, it was not for him.
He enjoyed seeing where I came from, but he was like,
we don't have to come back here, right, we don't
have to come back, Bob. I hope none of my
Sicilian because I still have a lot of family there.
I'm like, I hope there. Let's just leave this part
up for when this airs in Sicily. Hopefully they don't
(22:05):
listen to this party language barrier lost exactly and they
do not speak English, so that works up great. But yeah,
we went to Sicily and then we went to London
in Paris, where he was much happier.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So nice. So how did you guys? How'd you guys
meet we?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Actually, I'll give you the real story. He saw me
on Riah, so we were on the dating app. I
didn't see him because he was not in my age range.
I think I had, like you know, at the time,
I was thirty six, thirty seven and yeah, thirty seven,
and I probably had my limit at forty five or something.
(22:43):
Who knows that he was fifty nine at the time, yeap,
And but he told me that I think he was
able to lie and he put his age at fifty,
which I don't know how he was able to do that,
but anyway, point is I still never saw him on there.
But then he went to my Instagram and then reached
out to a mutual friend in Chicago who's in Chicago
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media and was like, Hey, do you know this girl
Kelly Rizzo? And he was like yeah, And Bob goes,
is she a bitch? And and he's like, no, I
think she's really nice. Because I think Bob was just
so used to, like, you know, meeting a lot of
people who weren't very nice, and he was like, wait,
here's this midwestern gal, like hopefully she's nice. And this
(23:24):
guy was like, yeah, she's nice, and Bob's like, I'm
going to send her a DM. So this guy messaged
me and was like, hey, Bob, Sagat's gonna send you
a DM. And I was like, oh why. I was
just not interested at first, like it was not my type,
too old, and it was just weird. I was like,
even though you know, I wasn't like a Full House
(23:44):
super fan, but like I watched Full House like who Diah?
And you know, I hadn't followed his career recently, but
I was like, that's just weird, Like he's too much
like I used to watch him as a kid on
like America's Fund of his home videos. Like, but he
sent me a DM and it was just very charming
and kind of funny, asking like to invite me to
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a show, and he's like, I'll take you out for
burgers and lobsters. I see you're a foodie or something
like that. Oh, and then we were just friends for
a while, and then for a couple months we just
went back and forth and you know, talked and texted.
And then I came out to LA and I was
with like my manager at the time and her assistant,
and we went out to like four dinners, but all
(24:29):
of us it was a bob with me and my
manager and her assistant, so it was not alone time.
And he was kind of getting the vibe that I
wasn't really into it. And then he's like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, you have your whole team with you every time
you go out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, and he's like, you know what, this was great.
I think you're very nice, but I'm not going to
come to dinner tonight because you know, I kind of
like you and it just seems like you're not into it.
And that's fine, like we could still be friends. And
then at that point I was like, yeah, he was
very mature and which he had said, he's like he
would have met me ten years ago. I would not
have been like that, okay, but he's like, so, yeah,
(25:04):
I'm not going to come to dinner tonight. And in
that moment, I was like, shit, do I like him? Oh? No,
do I like him? Do I have a crush on
Bob Saggitt? This is weird anyway? So I was like,
what if I am interested? He's like, what time is dinner?
So then then after that it was like, all right,
we're we're just gonna it's on, Yeah, it's on literally,
and then that was it, and then I moved to
(25:25):
La like ten months later, and then we got engaged
ten nine months after that or something.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, I need to tell people something because for our generation,
you mentioned how we know Bob Saggitt, Danny Tanner.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I just wish I could show dj that I'm as
hip and cool as you guys are.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Danny, you don't have to be hipp and cool your
spic and spam America's funniest home videos. Now you are
in for a tree tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
We've got a lady who sleeps with a stuffed most,
a boy who makes face noises, and a man who
plays dueling banjos with his ears, and they say there's
no quality.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He was America's dad.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I saw The Aristocrats in my early twenties. Okay, and
if people haven't seen this movie, it's documentary featuring every famous.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Comedian you've ever heard of is in this movie.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And the documentary tells the story of one joke. The
punchline is always the Aristocrats, but every comedian has their
own spin on telling this joke. It's great, everyone should
watch it. But I think what is most memorable for
people coming out of watching The Aristocrats, which I saw
(26:33):
in theaters in New York City, was how filthy Bob
Saggatt was like philthy, the bluest of blue comedy, and
it showed a very different side of him to people
who weren't used.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
To like his stand up. And obviously after that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know, he kind of capitalized on that, you know,
with a role in Entourage playing Not America's Dad. So
it was an incredible new way to see Bob Saget.
But I imagine when it's just you two your home,
he's not on stage, there's no cameras.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Like, what's the actually, what's he actually like?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's so funny because he truly is like a mix
of all of that put together.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He definitely had his Danny Tanner side. He loved hugging people,
and he was a clean freak, like a psycho clean freak, okay,
and that was very real for him. And also he
had a little bit of his Entourage side. I like
every day he would be in the hot tub smoking
a cigar and had his robot, you know, like he
(27:40):
had that. He was that guy too. The thing that
he was really kind of irritated about was people thought
that when they got to you know, saw the Aristocrats,
or when they saw his comedy, They're like, Bob Sagget
became dirty. He got dirty, And he was always like,
this is always who I was. A family TV guy
(28:01):
was not who he was really, right, he had some
of those elements to his personality, as I said, you know,
the Danny Tanner like he was really warm and fuzzy
and cuddley and cozy. But he was doing this type
of comedy when he was seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. Yeah,
and so he's like, this is who I've always been.
People just didn't know me for that before, and now
when I'm being who I am, people are like, oh,
(28:23):
Bob got so dirty and then and he really wasn't
that Aristocrats was absolutely filthy. Okay, that's a different story,
but in general in his comedy, he's like, I'm really
just like a teenage boy who found out that they
could tell dirty jokes for the first time.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
They weren't like sexual, they weren't. It was more like
toilet humor type stuff, right, you know, And it was
funny to him. His dad made jokes like that to
him growing up, and so it was just funny to him.
And so that's just what he did. So he encompassed
all of those kind of personas. But yeah, who he
was at home, he was just endlessly obsessed with just
(29:05):
wanting to make people happy and entertain people. And so
even at home he was always you know, yes, he'd
be cracking jokes with People'd be like, oh, you live
with the comedian, Like you just must be laughing all
the time. I'm like, who knew to knew? Comedians are
dark afy? You know, comedians are some of the darkest,
most neurotic, deep thinkers that you've ever met. I mean,
(29:29):
Bob was very introspective. He was very deep, and he
had a very hard childhood, and he had so much
death in his life. Both of his sisters died at
young ages, he lost both of his parents, so he
had a lot of death, a lot of darkness. And
so even though he was an optimist and he was
always trying to be happy himself and then make people happy,
there was always that, you know, kind of sadness and
(29:52):
darkness that was there too. So he was always trying
to manage all of that, and he ultimately was just
a person who truly just wanted to make the world laugh,
make people happy outside and in his own home.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, And was that when you live with someone who
just wants to make people happy, that can be a
lot of pressure on you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Was that a lot of pressure?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, because I knew it's interesting when you get to
know somebody when they're sixty years old, Like they are
a very established person in their own right. And I
knew who he was and I saw him for who
he was. And that's something that was so important to
him was that he had never really felt understood by,
you know, anyone he was in a relationship with, and
(30:42):
I like really understood him. So that was something why
he was so appreciative of our relationship. He's like, you
get me. No one ever gets me. And I just knew.
I'm like, this is I mean, he drove me nuts,
but like I'm like, but this is who he is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
He needs to.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Entertain, he needs to perform, He needs to make people happy.
And so you know, if he had to like leave
for several days to go on tour, to go do
a show, and then call me afterwards and explain for
two hours why it was such an important show or
why he did what he did, Like, I was just
so happy for him that he got to do what
he loved. Yeah, and then also just taking care of people.
(31:17):
He just really took care of people friends. I Mean,
you could be somebody who wasn't even that close to him,
and you could be like, oh, I have this medical issue.
He's like, I got a doctor for that, let me
hook you up. I've got the right guy, let me
take care of it, and two seconds later you have
an appointment with this doctor.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
He was just really just a really.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Good, loyal friend and just like just a caretaker, you know.
And he had three daughters and he it was his
whole life's work to take care of them and to
be a good dad, and so, you know, and he
always liked to say not DJ Stephan Michelle, but he
had three real daughters, and you know, he just all
he cared about was just being a good dad. And
(31:57):
he had finally learned, you know, because he was married
before and had relationships in between. And he was just
so proud of the fact that in his sixties that
he finally was able to find love and be with
someone and actually have like a mature relationship because you know,
he wasn't always. He said, He's like, if you would
have met me ten years ago, you would not have
(32:18):
liked me. It had done a lot of work on himself,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, and getting married is explicitly and inherently about a future.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, and then he obviously died way too young, and
you were very young.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, you know, in your early forties, what did it
feel like to have your future snatched away?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, And on the morbid ish kind of side, I
did anticipate becoming a slightly younger. I hate the word
widow widow, you know, I just I didn't think it
was going to be in my forties. But I thought
it would be maybe, you know, I'd be sixty or
(33:08):
something or sixty five and he'd be eighty five or not,
you know. Yeah, And then there were times that I
would always be like, you know, because you know, one
day you'll probably go before and he was like, what
are you talking about. I was like, look, I have
a longevity that runs in my family. I could be ninety.
I was like, you're probably not going to be one
hundred and fifteen. And he's like, you don't know that
(33:28):
I'm going to be one hundred and fifty. Like he
would always think. He's like, I'm going to outlive you.
I'm going to be over one hundred. I'm like, God,
bless you. I hope. So you know what I mean. Yeah,
but I did anticipate that if natural life span was
going to live, you know, play out, that i'd be
losing him at a slightly younger age than I would
have hoped. I just did not think it was going
(33:49):
to be three years into our marriage, you know what
I mean. Like that was just so shocking, and it
was really strange. It was a very strange, disorienting. You'll
just very disoriented because you're like, wait, I don't have
I remember even that first day. I don't even know
if I like talked about this publicly, maybe only to
(34:11):
a canvas because she was the first person who got
to my house that day. And I remember just being like,
I don't have a husband. I mean, obviously I was
like barely coherent and not functioning and like crying hysterically
the whole time. But I remember just being like.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I don't have a husband anymore, Like what, I don't
have a husband, but I'm in his house and all
of his stuff is here, and he just left for
a few days and he's never coming back, and like,
I don't have I remember just saying over and over.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And people were like, oh God, how do we help
her with this? Because you know, I was just saying
like I don't have a husband anymore, and like that
was so shocking, and then also being like wait, so
I'm a widow and I'm forty at the time, I
was forty two, and I'm like, now what I was like,
so one day I have to like start dating again,
like what like, but I'm a widow, Like is anyone
ever going to want to date a widow? Like you
(34:59):
just have this weird identity crisis? Yeah, so this is
who I am now and this is and I was like,
but I feel like the same person. I don't feel
like a widow. Yeah, but I don't know my husband anymore.
There's it was this like circle that I just I
was like, but I still feel like me, but I'm
not me and I went through this but I still
(35:20):
but I'm a happy person. I want to be happy.
So how do I do that? How do I reconcile
all this? It was very strange, and then it just
takes time and it kind of works itself out, and
then you know, I've learned so much about grief and
I've spent so much time with other widows, especially young widows.
Like very early on, I became very close with Amanda Klutes.
(35:41):
Katie Kuric became a really really trusted, wonderful friend to
me because she had lost her husband the same age
that I was Wow, and you know, I was just
surrounded by people who got it, who understood, who were
so helpful, and so I learned so and then doing
my podcast, I've talked to so many people who've gone
through it. So now it's you know, you process it
(36:01):
and you understand it and you grasp it and then
you just get to a place of you know, I
accepted it pretty early on, but it's there, it's still
a process.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
How do you think that loss impacted your mental health?
Not in the moment, but long term.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's so interesting because I was a big worrier. Like
I had a lot of worry problems and kind of
anxiety that came from worry. Yeah, Like ever since I
was a little kid, I always thought my parents were
going to get killed in a car accident or something
like horrible tragic would happen. And I remember I was
always so worried, and Bob would always say to me, like,
stop worrying. You're going to give yourself an autoimmune disease.
(36:45):
You're going to give yourself cancer, You're going to give
yourself a disease. Stop worrying. It's bad for you. None
of this stuff. You're worrying about ever happens, and so
I would of course worry about him all the time too,
like if I couldn't get a hold of him, like
did he get a car accident? Did he you did
something happen? Did you know he was a little bit older,
I was like, did God forbid? Like did he have
a heart attack? Like if and he was so responsive,
(37:08):
like if ten minutes went by whatever, or I didn't
hear from him, something was weird, you know, unless I
knew he was like filming something or whatever. But for
the most part, he was always on it. So the
strange thing is because he had been telling me like
stop worrying, You're gonna kill yourself, Like, stop worrying. That
(37:28):
day on January ninth, twenty twenty two, when I couldn't
get a hold of him, it was literally the first
time where normally I would start like immediately spiraling, yeah,
like something happened, something happened. That day was the first
day that I was like, calm down, Kelly, I'm sure
everything's fine. This is like, you know, nothing ever happens,
(37:50):
All the things you worry about never come true. Everything's fine.
There's an explanation why he's not answering, and then of
course it was like the worst absolute day of my
entire life and the worst thing that could have happened.
So then I was like, Okay, well that's kind of bullshit. Now,
like now you can't tell me don't worry because the
(38:11):
bad thing never happens. I was like, it did happen, yep.
But then there's the mentality of, well, but it happened once.
What are the odds anything like that would ever happen again?
So like maybe now, maybe I'm good forever now and
I can just live my life because nothing like that's
ever gonna happen again. So that has been a little
bit of a mental situation of trying to navigate like
(38:33):
anxiety and worry. Yeah. Like now, even like I have,
you know, loved ones, if they're trying to, let's say,
do an extreme sport or you know, do something, I'll
be like, can you please not do that?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Please?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And they have a very specific empathy for me because
they're like, we get why you would be concerned.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I relate more than you know
that what you're describing is very much my anxiety as well.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I catastrophize and at my worst.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I do it intentionally, and I do it because in
my irrational, disordered mind, I think if I don't catastrophize
and imagine the worst thing happening, then it will happen.
And the second I relax and say I'm not going
to worry, I'm sure everything's fine, is going to invite
the bad thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Right, And if you're on edge, well then you're probably okay.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well, And that's the thing, and prepare. That's the liar
of anxiety. It tells you that you're only safe when
you're worrying, yes, And if you're not worrying, you are
not safe.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And of course that's not true or real.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But it has been the struggle of my life, Kelly,
to try to undo those habits where I would catastrophize, catastrophized,
catastrophize because I thought it kept me safe.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, And it's the heart for me. The hardest.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
It's been the hardest thing to do my mental health
journey because I had a nervous breakdown from anxiety a
few years ago and learning my triggers, stopping myself from
these catastrophic thoughts, telling myself you're not inviting it, you know,
just because you say everything's fine, doesn't doesn't have anything
to do with what's going to happen or not. But
(40:18):
it's really hard, yeah, to keep telling yourself that when
bad things have happened. I cover a lot of bad
things in the news, so my brain is completely broken
in terms of the way it sees the world. And
I think, well, who are you to tell me a
bad thing can't happen? I just covered seven of them today.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
You know, why am I so lucky that none of
this should ever happen?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And why am I special?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
See? I can really, I mean, I empathize with that
so much, the catastrophize it. I mean, there are things
that go on in my brain sometime where I'm like,
if anyone knew what I was actually thinking about right now,
they would be like, you're insane, Like why would you
think that that would ever happen. That's not a thing
that happens.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
You know, I do know.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I mean I think about out okay, like readiness, what
if a plane crashed into my house.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I've had that thought, Kelly, probably more than a dozen times.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's never gonna happen, But in my mind it spirals,
and if I'm not covering every base all the time.
I feel like I feel on edge. And that's why
Bob is right. My therapist told me you're.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Gonna get a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You're gonna have a heart attack because you're not meant
to have this adrenaline fight or flight happening. Yeah, chemically
in your body all the time.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I will say that, Yeah, just the increased cortisol levels
are just so bad for you, and bad I Lately,
I have felt very relaxed. I've been so much better
about I mean not every there's still stupid things that
pop in my head that I'm like, oh what about this?
But for the most part, I've been pretty chill lately
(41:52):
to where it's funny because I'll have, you know, a
family member or friend be like really anxious or nervous
about something. I'm like, just relax, man, Like do you
so worried about? Like everything is great? And they're like, uh,
do you remember, like you you have your life leading
up until now. I'm like, oh yeah, but hey, still,
if you can still give the good advice, you can
give the good advice you.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Know well, and I you know, I discovered a really
important trick for me, and maybe this will help you too.
Telling someone who's anxious to relax or calm down.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Oh yeah, not good.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Uh, it will makes me more anxious, right, Like what's
wrong with me? Why can't I calm down? It really
draws attention to my anxiety. So the thing that I've
told myself is the opposite of anxious isn't calm or relaxed.
The opposite of anxious is present and being in the
place you are where there's no danger instead of the
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place your mind goes where the worst thing's going to happen.
That's the trick. It's not calming down, it's being present.
And I mentioned I went to Belgium for a month
with my family, and you know, planes and trains and
travel can be triggering for me, for all the catastrophic thoughts.
But I got there and I thought, I don't want
(43:09):
to miss this incredible experience because my mind is somewhere
unsafe when I am in someplace very safe.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
So I worked on that a lot for that month.
But it was an.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Interesting like frame work shift that really helped me.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
That is it's so simple yet so powerful. Yeah, and
so thank you for that, because that, I mean, that
is one of those things. It's like live in the moment.
Live in the present. Don't think about the future. Don't
think about the past. Like you can't change the past.
You don't know about the future. So live in the present.
But it's to really practice that specific it's hard to
be very yeah, difficult but helpful.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's so helpful, but it's it's it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
So in better news, I think you are dating Breckenmeier.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yes, yes, you are correct.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I mean he was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, Travis Birkenstock was an important part of my childhood.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Grandfast Birkenstock thirty eight tarties by far the most tarties
in the class. Congratulations, I'm so unexpected.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I didn't even have a speech prepared. But I would
like to say this tardiness is not something you can
do all on your own. Many, many people contributed to
my tardiness. I'd like to say my parents never giving
me a ride to school.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
The la It's so funny. Once again, on the lighter side,
people joke like, wow, you just really love those like
nineties nineties iconic characters. I'm like, okay, this was not
planned all right together?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, and both you know, whether it's Danny Tanner or
Travis Berkinsock, both are people who I at the time, like,
It's not like I had a big crush on Danny Tanner.
I had a big crush on Travis Jergensack. They were
both not on my radar at the time. You know,
I knew the character is very well, of course. I
mean I've seen Clueless probably over two hundred times. I
know every single word to where every once in a
while with Brecken, like I don't even mean it because
(45:17):
like my sisters and I, my friends and I, like
we say clueless lines all the time, and every once
in a while, like one will just come out to
him and he'll be like really, I'm like, look, I
can't I can't help it. I'm sorry, it is what
it is. I can't turn it off. Yeah, but he
actually appreciates it more than Bob appreciated Full House. Yeah,
(45:38):
he embraces Clueless a little bit more. But Yeah, it
was so nice because I was really worried for a
long time. I mean, obviously I knew in my head.
To me, the one year mark after losing Bob was
I'm not even going to let my brain go to
thinking about dating again for at least a year. That
was like my appropriate time frame. Anything less than that,
(46:01):
to me didn't feel appropriate, and I felt to society
wouldn't think that that was appropriate either. After the one
year mark, I might not not be ready still, but
at least if I did, then at least, you know,
the public would be like, all right, well it's been
a year. It was maybe a couple a year and
a couple months. I had to sit down with Bob's daughters,
who I'm you know, one was just staying with me
(46:23):
this week. I'm incredibly close to them, talk to them
every day, love them more than life. I love them
so much, and I'm so grateful that we're so close,
because that is not always the case, you know, step
family situation. But I talked to them and I was like, look,
you know, I'm not ready yet, but I might be
ready soon to you know, maybe get a coffee with somebody,
(46:44):
or like get a go on a hike or something like, Kelly,
we want you to be happy, you know, and Dad
would want you to be happy. And I was like,
I don't know about that, and they're like, he would.
And it really was a hard time for me separating
or flee Bob from Heavenly Bob. I was like, Earthly
Bob would be like, how dare you? How could you
(47:06):
even think about moving on right forward? As I call it,
And Heavenly Bob of course loved me or you know,
well all the Bobs loved me, but Heavenly Bob would
want me to be happy.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, so it was hard.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
For me to separate those two. And then his girls
were like helly. I was like, They're like, you don't
need our permission. I was like, I know, I don't
need your permission, but I want your blessing, yeah, like
you have it explicitly, like of course. So then it
was a few months after that. I mean I had
met Brecken briefly with Bob. Like he and Bob loved
(47:39):
each other. They weren't very close. They were more like
friendly acquaintances but really respected each other, really liked each other,
and shared a mutual best friend. So it was this
mutual best friend who had a anniversary party and it
was postponed a year. So Bob and I were supposed
(48:00):
to go together the year before, but then it got
postponed a year. And then at this point Bob obviously
was not there, and then Breckon and I, as I said,
we had briefly met before, but we hung out a
little bit at that event, and then I was like, oh, no,
he's kind of cute. And I didn't even know if
he was single, and then you know, our mutual friend
(48:20):
was like, no, he is. And then we just you
know started once again like follow each other on Instagram
and then just DMed a little bit and then we
went out and then right away I was like, oh,
he's so great, Like this is such a great fit.
And I was so concerned for so long, like in
that process leading up to it, of like who's ever
(48:41):
going to want to date a widow? Like just sounds
so gross, And you know, who's ever going to be?
Like I can't just date some just anybody. They have
to be someone who appreciates Bob and knows that Bob
is always going to be a part of my life.
So it's going to take a really confident person to
(49:03):
live up to and also doesn't get intimidated by who
Bob was and by his place in my life. And
Breckon from day one was just such a g about it,
like he was just so cool and just so understanding
and just strong and confident about it, and like still
(49:26):
to this day, like loves talking about Bob, asks questions
about Bob. You know, has spent time with Bob's girls
and Bob's family and they all get along, and it's
just like he he just has zero problems with it.
And I mean as you would hope and expect. I mean,
nobody really should have a problem with it. But but yeah,
he's just been so great and supportive and so it's
(49:48):
been really special. And I feel every day I'm like,
how did I get so lucky that literally, like right up,
you know, right out of the gate, this is who
I end up dating, and it's gone so well, And
how did I get so lucky?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But twice?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Right, yeah, yeah, And part of me is like it's
too good to be true. Something bad's got to happen.
But I'm like, of course you're not going to You're
going to just enjoy life and enjoy this wonderful person,
good that I've been fortunate enough to meet.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I want to do now a lightning round before we
before we leave you. Oh sure, okay, Okay, what's the
best hot dog in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Portillo's?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Okay, Okay, I like.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
A quick answer, fast enough. I like a fast answer.
I like Wiener Circle.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
But you know, well you should have specified what's your
favorite hot dog before two am? Or after two am?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Wiener Circle, so right because that's after two am?
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, like who goes to Wiener Circle at noon? You
know you are correct? You are correct?
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Okay, that's on me. Okay. What's the best movie about
food or travel?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Ooh? You know what? It encompasses both the Trip series,
the Trip, the Trip to Italy, the trip to Oh
my god, what are there? The actor's names, the British
actors that are just absolutely brilliant, that do the best
Michael Caine impressions.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Do you Michael Kain?
Speaker 7 (51:23):
Okay, I say, Michael kayin you used to talk like
this in the nineteen sixties, right, but that has changed.
And I say that over the years Michael's.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Voice has capped the cephal act. Let me finish.
Speaker 7 (51:34):
This is how Michael Kaine speaks. Michael Kaine speaks to
his nose like that. It gets very very specific. It's
very like that. When it gets loudly, it gets very loud. Indeed,
that's Michael Kaine.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Oh, Steve Coogan, Okay, Robert Brighton.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yes, I don't know these.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, they have like the trip to Italy, the trip
to I think Greece, and so it's they're playing themselves,
but it's a little like mockumentary ish. Yeah, And they
travel to these places and they eat it the fanciest restaurants,
and so it's a little bit of like a cooking
show because they go into the kitchen with the chef
and it's brilliantly shot in terms of the cooking and
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the food scenes. But yet they're traveling and it's like
they rent this little car and they're driving through the
Italian countryside and they're hilarious together. So it's a comedy
and it's kind of they make it almost like it's
the documentary but it's not.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I love that. I can't wait to check them out. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, Bob and I were really into them, and we
watched them multiple times each and I think during the
pandemic because we were dreaming about like, oh, we can't
wait to travel again.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Right, Yeah, Okay, this is also this is very important
to me personally.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
When is iced coffee season.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I think it's when it's hot out. I'm not I
don't really do iced coffee when it's cold out. To me,
I would say in la like May through October. Ok,
are you a year round kind of go.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, that's the wrong answer, only because I mean, I
grew up in Boston, right there was a dunkin Donuts
in my high school. It's part of my culture. And
I was drinking iced coffee at like twelve. I mean,
you know, it's a it's a big it's a big
part of who I am. But I understand, I understand.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
How I was drinking at fourteen, drinking ten gallons of
hot coffee at the diners while smoking a pack of cigarettes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Like, so yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Like the extreme version of coffee at a very young
age and so kidding. But once again in you know,
in Chicago in the winter, it's cold, like I wanted
something warm. And now there have been a couple of
times where Brecken and I we go out to get
coffee and it's hot out and he orders a hot
coffee and I'm like, no, what now, like how like,
(53:51):
what's wrong with you? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (53:52):
So I don't want to sip it. It's not precious.
I want directly injected into my veins. If I could inject.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
It, I would.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
It is easier to chug an iced coffee.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I need to chug.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
This was such a great talk, Kelly Rizzo, Thank you
so much for coming on and being so open both
about your late husband but also your mental health. Uh
that's what we're trying to do here, just kind of
take the temperature down, check in with each other, have
real conversation.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Misciate it so important. I appreciate you and what you're
doing and just everything that you do.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Coming up next week, I talked to legendary producer, cinematographer,
director Barry Sonenfeld, who gives me all the hot goss
behind the scenes in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
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did you do this weekend? And Jane says, well, with
eight fucking pages of dialogue to learn, I pretty much
fucking did nothing except learning the eight fucking pages. John
Travalta says, that's a waste of a weekend. So I
know how you in trouble.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
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He was kind of getting the vibe that I wasn't
really into it, and he's like, you know what, this
is great. I think you're very nice, but I'm not
going to come to dinner tonight because you know, I
kind of like you and it just seems like you're
not into it and that's fine, Like we could still be friends.
And in that moment, I was like, shit, do I
like him? Oh? No, do I like him? Do I
have a crush on Bob Zaggett?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
This is weird?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti
anxiety antidote. And you think you know what I do
because you can see what I do for a living.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I do it on television.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I talk about politics, but sometimes my job is very
weird and has me doing very weird things. So in
twenty sixteen, I was asked to help roast James Carville
the Rage in Cajun, the famed Democratic strategist at the
Kennedy Center in Washington, DC. And I didn't totally know
(00:53):
what I was in for, but I joined. Let's see
Tucker Carlson, Paul Bagala, Jeff Ross, Al Sharpton, Jim Norton, Triumph,
The Insult, comic Dog and others to celebrate James Carvill,
but also like filfully, filfully denigrade him. And I mean,
(01:14):
let's it was a dirty It was a dirty night,
and I'm just glad my parents weren't there and my
bosses weren't there. But I take my husband to this
and I go backstage before the thing, and I'm in
my dressing room kind of going over this filthy script
that they have written for me to deliver about James Carvill,
and I hear a voice and he says, who let
(01:34):
you in here? And I turn around and it's Bob Saggott.
He was the master of ceremonies for that night, and
he could immediately tell how nervous I was to deliver
these very very off color remarks. And he squeezed my
shoulder and he said, don't worry, kiddo, nothing you say
will be worse than what we're going to say. And
(01:56):
he took the stage and indeed, when he introduced me,
said that he would have hit on me if my
husband hadn't been such a cock block. This is in
front of myt like people I have admired in politics
four years. But it was a memorable night and after
everything was done, we went backstage for a small after party,
and Bob couldn't wait to come over to us and
(02:18):
make sure that we were okay with everything that had happened,
and of course we were. And then, totally unprompted, he
started gushing about a woman he was seeing.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He was so smitten and excited.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He pulls out his phone to show me a picture,
pictures of her, pictures of her travel adventures, her culinary creations,
all this stuff. He was so proud of her, and
he was so so in love. He just couldn't stop
talking about her to me and my husband, and I
think he might have even called her while we were
standing there and talking. He would go on to marry
(02:53):
her two years later, and as we know, just four
years later he died unexpectedly. But that woman that he
could not wait to talk about Kelly Rizzo. She's my
guest today and I could not be more thrilled. She's
an actress, producer, world traveler, host of Comfort Food with
Kelly Rizzo.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Kelly, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Oh my god, I say that just made me tear
up because I knew that you and I had been
connected a long time ago through Bob in some way,
but I forgot exactly how until you just recanted that
story and retold that story because I remember so specifically
when he did that roast and we had just started dating.
(03:38):
We were very very new, but you know, we progressed
very quickly, like yeah, I think it was on our
first date ever, like we said I love you when
we were boyfriend girlfriend, Like I'm literally on our first
official date. It was crazy. So even though it was
a few months and we still were very close, and
I remember he was so excited to do that James
Carvil roast and to you know, be the MC and
(04:00):
he told me he met you, and I was like, oh,
I love Essie because he had been telling me, you know, oh,
there's this person here in this person and most of
the people I knew of, but when he said that
you were on the DAIS, I was like, oh my god,
I love her. And he's like, oh, she's so cool.
I met her and her husband and he gushed about you.
And now I'm finding out that he gushed about me,
and that just means so much to me that you
(04:22):
just told me that story. So thank you.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I'm so glad because my next question was going to
be Do you remember that, Like, did he talk to
you about that night, because oh, he he tours, he was,
you know, doing all kinds of cool things that could
have been just another night for him. For me, it
was obviously very memorable. So I'm glad that he that
it was memorable for him too.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, he didn't know a ton of people in the
political world, and he didn't really, you know, pay too
much attention to that, and then that's why when he
brought you up, I was like, oh, oh my god,
I know her.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
And he did send me videos that night of triumph,
like over his shoulder, being like hello, Kelly, you know,
like he was, and I was like, so, what is
going on? Like who is this guy that I'm daty?
I think I think I remember. It was like Dana
Carvey was there and John loved Miigel.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, Bob Smigel was there, right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah. He was sending me all these videos of all
of these people. You know, he had Dana Carvey do
something from Garth from Waynes World, and I was like,
oh my god, this is so exciting. But I remember
that night, so while I wasn't there, but he was
sending me all these videos, and it was so exciting
to like be included.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
You were there, You were there in spirit, he was,
you were top of mind, and it's all you were
all he wanted to talk about. And I want to
talk more about Bob because.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
We should ease.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I love talking about Bob and we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
But first I want to talk about you. You you
grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yes, yeah, my whole life until just seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So what part.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I grew up in Lakeview, in the city, right near
Wrigley Field, and then right before high school we moved
up to Glen View, so the North Shore, and then
my family's now up in Lake Forest and Highland Park.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But then I lived in the city in River Nor
and Lincoln Park for maybe fifteen years or so before
I moved out to.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
LA My parents lived in Lake Bluff for some time.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, while I was in.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
College and very close to my parents.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was obviously it's a lovely town.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
And my best friend in college was a Cubs fan,
and so I went to school in New York, but
we would go now that my parents were living there,
we would go to Cubs games together, so I got
real familiar with Chicago, and I love Chicago. I'm from Boston,
and to me, Chicago feels similarly like a It is
a town that imprints on your identity, Like I'm Boston
(06:38):
is a very big part of bicultural identity. I feel
like Chicago's a similar kind of town. Do do you
feel that way?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yes? Yeah, Boston and Chicago, especially when you look at
Wrigley Field and Fenway, you know, like there are two
totally similar historical you know, references that kind of tie
the city together. And I'm you know, nor sider, Soakubs
fan too, not a soccer fan, so I think, yeah,
Boston and Chicago they have like deep like cultural ties, food.
(07:08):
You know, it was kind of a working class city,
but yet it's a beautiful city. So yeah, I could
see how the two cities are very kindred spirits.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Are you defensive about Chicago?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, yes, I am very However, I love New York.
I'm obsessed with New York. I would I lived in
Chicago for thirty eight years. I don't really see myself
living there again, but I could see myself living in
New York. And like my sister, for instance, my middle
sister Kristen, anytime I say anything like, oh, I love Chicago,
(07:42):
but I don't know, I see myself more in New York.
She's like, how could you How could you say that
about Chicago. It's the best city in the world. I
was like, it's the best city in the summer in
the world. You know. There are some limitations though, you know,
and I am a big Chicago fan. However, I also
(08:03):
like other places too, where some people are like Chicago
or die yeah Chicago, or buy right.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
I got the same shit when I moved to New
York too, you know, from my Boston fan. But what
kind of things were you into as a kid?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Oh gosh, I was very much of a tomboy. I
was playing basketball with all the boys. You know, in
the nineties in Chicago, there was no bigger thing than
the Chicago Bulls. So I embraced that completely, where I'm like,
I'm a basketball player, this is what I do. So
I was very into that. It's so funny because people
(08:37):
just assumed that because such a big part of my
career now is food and travel, that that's something I
was into from a very young age, and I wasn't really.
I was just like all kids of the eighties, were
you know, we actually played outside, yeah, and had lives
where you know, we enjoyed hanging out with our friends
and didn't have our parents breathing down our necks all
(08:59):
the time. And yep. So yeah, just growing up, I
was just always, you know, pretty free spirited and definitely
a tomboy. And then it wasn't until I maybe was
in my twenties when I really started getting into travel
and food and then that became my passion big time.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
What sparked you to get into that? What did you
maybe planned to do? How did your career arc start.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's so interesting because I was in My family's been
in real estate for fifty years now, and so I
started off in real estate. So I was a realtor
in Chicago for almost twenty years and it was great
because you know, when the market was great and we're
making a lot of money, it was great. And then
the market crashed and I'm like this sucks. Oh my god,
I hate this now. And I had gone through a divorce,
(09:49):
you know, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, something like that, and
I was hating real estate and I'm like, I just
need to reinvent myself. I need a whole reinvention, what
do I love of? What am I passionate about? This
is when people were starting blogs, you know, back in
the day, like let's start a blog, and I'm like, well,
I know a lot about food, travel and music, and
I love food, travel and music, and I think I'd
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like to talk about that. So I just went online
and I bought Eat Travel Rock dot com and then
I just started blogging, and I knew I really wanted
to do more on camera. And I started working with
this like really big country bar, country music bar in Chicago,
and I was doing all their backstage interviews for them,
interviewing some of the biggest country artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And then that kind of turned into some other like
rock musician interviews, and then I was interviewing chefs, and
then it just slowly I started phasing out real estate
and then phasing in to the Eat Travel Rock career,
and then it got to a point where that became
more of a full time gig.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I love travel, and we'll get into it, but I
always was a little bit jealous of people who got.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
To travel for a living, travel hosts.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And you know, I was really into like sam Bras,
Samantha Brown, Yes, and Rick Steve's still that juggernaut. But
I also imagined it might be lonely, a bit lonely
sometimes to do so much travel on your own because
it's work. I mean, sometimes you get to bring your friends,
I'm sure, but like there's a lot of alone travel.
(11:38):
And I know, for me, when I'm traveling, sharing it
with someone, whether it's my husband or my parents or
my kid is so important, right, is it ever lonely
for you?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I will say that the vast majority of the trips
either yes, I bring a friend, or I'm with someone
for my you know, production crew or something, so I'm
never really alone. But the joke is, if I'm traveling
with let's say, you know, my director or producer or something,
I'm the only one on camera. So it always looks
(12:12):
like I'm alone, and it always looks like I have
no friends. And so every once in a while when
I do get to bring a friend on the on
a trip, I get so excited because I'm like, oh,
it looks like I have a friend. It doesn't look
like I'm alone. People always like, God, what does she
do by herself all the time? You know? But I'm
even though behind the scenes I'm not alone, it looks
like I'm alone, so it's fun to then, you know,
(12:34):
make it look like I have some friends every yeah,
so yeah, it hasn't gotten lonely yet. I'm actually I'll
give you a little kind of sneak peek. Next week,
I'm taking my first ever international solo trip completely alone.
Man traveled a ton domestically alone for a lot of work,
but never internationally where I'm there the whole time by myself.
(12:56):
So and that's where you're going. I'm going to Munich.
Oh so yeah, and I've never been. So it's only
a quick, like three day trip, but it's my first
truly solo international trip.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Let me say this because the other thing I'm jealous
of is men. Men who you know I have all
these dude friends will be like, oh, I'm on a
business trip. I would just go to dinner by myself
or a bar by myself. And as a woman, this
feels like luxurious, a luxury. I you know, I've done
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a lot of solo travel for work, and I like
go to the hotel room.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
And don't leave except for like my job.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
And maybe I'm overreacting, but I don't know that I
would feel totally safe traveling by myself as a woman.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
How do you feel, I Well, I mean, for the
most part, like I have friends who are quote unquote
female solo travelers, and they go everywhere and to some
places that I have zero desire to go to. Yeah,
and they still do it very safely usually for the
most part. Depending on where I'm going, I'm usually for
(14:07):
the most part, I go to safe destinations, you know,
Like I've traveled to Switzerland a ton of times. Like
Switzerland's as safe as it gets, you know. Yeah, But
I don't know, I think. I don't want to say
like I have an edge, but growing up in Chicago,
I grew up and lived in some neighborhoods that were
not always the safest, and I was just so used
(14:29):
to that, you know, because I grew up in the city,
I didn't come from like the suburban bubble that so
many of my friends did. Sure, And I think because
of that, I've always just been super alert. I'm just
very aware of my surroundings. Yeah, you know, if a
stranger comes up to me, I'm not gonna be like, oh, Hi,
what's your name? You know, I'm very skeptical and like
(14:51):
the dinners by myself sometimes I really enjoy those. I
like being I just like being by myself a lot. Yeah,
and yeah, the safety issue is never too much on
my mind because I think I'm so aware and so
it's great. Yeah, you know, walking down a dark alley,
I mean, those are things that now I just I
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just wouldn't do. Like I'm anyway right, for the most part,
I've done that in the past. For the most part. Nowadays,
I'm like, all right, I'm not going to rough parts
of town and walking alone at night. You know, you
just you learn better, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
So when you if you're choosing the destination, what kind
of traveler are you?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Do you like to relax by the pool.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Do you like to go out and learn a culture
and explore the streets, go to the museums.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
What's your vibe?
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, I'm definitely more of an active traveler. I don't
love just sitting around. Obviously, if you're going you know,
if you're going to Hawaii and you're going to a
beach destination, it's fine to lay by the pool a
bit or go to the beach. But even so, I'm like,
I want to go scuba diving. I want to go
do this activity. I SI want to go explore, and
for me, it's all of the food. I want to
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explore all of the food, all the indigenous cuisine, all
of the indigenous culture. You know, if I'm in Italy
or Spain or wherever I'm at. Tokyo. I was just
in Tokyo a few weeks ago, and all I wanted
to do is just go eat everything and just explore
and eat. So for me, it's pretty active. Not a
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big museum person really, but just seeing as much as
I can and really feeling as much like a local
as possible. I like to get peoples go and not
all the touristy spots.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, and that's why I love.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
My favorite thing to do is to go to the
grocery store in all different kinds of international cities, right
because then it is local.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
This is what real people who live.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
There are doing and buying and eating, And that always
gives me a real taste of a place. Are you
like me in that everywhere you go you think briefly
about moving there?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
This is so funny. Yes, yes, it depends on some locations.
I'm like, oh my god, I could see myself leaving
here and then other places. I'm like, okay, three days,
I've had enough. But it's so funny. I took a
trip not too long ago with my middle sister, the
one I referenced earlier, and we went to Switzerland, Scotland
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and Sicily, and I think there was another stop, like
there was a layover on the way and every single place.
She's like, I'm moving here. Yeah, I'm moving here. I'm like,
we've been here ten minutes. I'm moving here. And I
knew that she didn't mean any of it, but she was.
She's like, I'm moving here. Like okay, sure you are,
so yeah. I think that's a very normal thing to
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have that feeling.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
This is our red flag.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
My husband and I share this wherever we go. It's
not we don't say it and not mean it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We mean it.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But the problem is we mean it everywhere. So like
we went to Arizona for spring break. I also lived
in Arizona for a time.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We love it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
We got home, We're like, well, we need we need
an investment property in Scottsdale, so we called a realtor
about that. Then we spent a month in Belgium. Our
retirement plan is to retire in Belgium. We're always looking
at houses in Belgium. We go to Florida a lot,
to Amelia Island. We talk to realtors there. We don't
have the money, Kelly, for all these homes.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
We don't have one. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I don't even know if any of it's possible. But
we treat it like we're serious buyers for everywhere we go,
because I don't know, it's just in our mind. There's
like we would we would live everywhere, we would have
a house everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
See what happens to me is do you see those
news articles a bunch where it's.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Italy will pay you, yes to move.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
There, you know, one thousand dollars or whatever for you
to buy a house or no, they'll give you the
house for free and pay you a thousand dollars, you know,
whatever the amount is.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
And every time I see that, I'm like, why don't
I do that? And then I realized I just bought
a house in Studio City. It was only built in
nineteen forty eight, and I bought it. You know, it
was not a cheap house, and it's already falling apart.
I'm like, why would I think that I could handle
(19:09):
a house built five hundred years ago in Italy that's
literally just a pile of rubble. And in my head,
I'm like, this is a great idea, and I'm also
there to fix it.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
But also, we are United States citizens, you know, I
don't I can't work over there. I don't know what
my job would be if I moved to Belgium full time.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it does.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
None of these things get in my way.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I have the delusion of because my dad was
born in Sicily, that I should get dual citizenship. Yeah,
and that I've looked into it. It's actually a really
complicated process.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So have I because my family's from Italy too, But
they have to have not become US citizens.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Right, So if they became a US citizen before nineteen ninety,
then you renounce your Italian citizenship, right. There was no
dual citizenship prior to nineteen ninety or ninety one or
whatever the year is. So my dad came here in
nineteen fifty five and became a citizen probably when he
was in like nineteen sixty or something or fifty eight
(20:12):
in the fifties. And so when you became a citizen
at that time, you renounced your Italian citizenship and you
could not hold dual citizenship. So because he renounced it
so long ago, even though I'm first generation, it's a
much more complicated process to do it. Where let's say
he became a citizen in ninety two, then there'd be
(20:33):
absolutely no issue. I could just get it like that, right.
He's so bummed about him, like, ugh, why did you
have to become a citizen, Like you go back then?
Why didn't you wait? You know? But he's like, why
did you want to go back there? Do you how
hard we work to get here?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
You know?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He's like, you don't want to go back? I'm like, no,
I want to go back.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I've done all the same research and had the same fantasies.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Did did you and Bob go on a honeymoon?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
We went to Sicily. I took him to my dad's
hometown of Schmina, which is like right outside of Palermo.
It's like, OK, fifty minutes outside of actually right near Cotalleone,
like literally the next town over. Yeah, So I took
him there.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
He was.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Slightly less than impressed. He's like, the whole town has
like two teeth, like the in three or town. He's like,
the women have beards, like, like, what's going on? Yeah,
and he was it was a little too not four
season Z for him, like he likes the five star
travel and my dad's hometown still has goats walking around,
(21:45):
you know, And he's like, it was not for him.
He enjoyed seeing where I came from, but he was like,
we don't have to come back here, right, we don't
have to come back, Bob. I hope none of my
Sicilian because I still have a lot of family there.
I'm like, I hope there. Let's just leave this part
up for when this airs in Sicily. Hopefully they don't
(22:05):
listen to this party language barrier lost exactly and they
do not speak English, so that works up great. But yeah,
we went to Sicily and then we went to London
in Paris, where he was much happier.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So nice. So how did you guys? How'd you guys
meet we?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Actually, I'll give you the real story. He saw me
on Riah, so we were on the dating app. I
didn't see him because he was not in my age range.
I think I had, like you know, at the time,
I was thirty six, thirty seven and yeah, thirty seven,
and I probably had my limit at forty five or something.
(22:43):
Who knows that he was fifty nine at the time, yeap,
And but he told me that I think he was
able to lie and he put his age at fifty,
which I don't know how he was able to do that,
but anyway, point is I still never saw him on there.
But then he went to my Instagram and then reached
out to a mutual friend in Chicago who's in Chicago
(23:04):
media and was like, Hey, do you know this girl
Kelly Rizzo? And he was like yeah, And Bob goes,
is she a bitch? And and he's like, no, I
think she's really nice. Because I think Bob was just
so used to, like, you know, meeting a lot of
people who weren't very nice, and he was like, wait,
here's this midwestern gal, like hopefully she's nice. And this
(23:24):
guy was like, yeah, she's nice, and Bob's like, I'm
going to send her a DM. So this guy messaged
me and was like, hey, Bob, Sagat's gonna send you
a DM. And I was like, oh why. I was
just not interested at first, like it was not my type,
too old, and it was just weird. I was like,
even though you know, I wasn't like a Full House
(23:44):
super fan, but like I watched Full House like who Diah?
And you know, I hadn't followed his career recently, but
I was like, that's just weird, Like he's too much
like I used to watch him as a kid on
like America's Fund of his home videos. Like, but he
sent me a DM and it was just very charming
and kind of funny, asking like to invite me to
(24:06):
a show, and he's like, I'll take you out for
burgers and lobsters. I see you're a foodie or something
like that. Oh, and then we were just friends for
a while, and then for a couple months we just
went back and forth and you know, talked and texted.
And then I came out to LA and I was
with like my manager at the time and her assistant,
and we went out to like four dinners, but all
(24:29):
of us it was a bob with me and my
manager and her assistant, so it was not alone time.
And he was kind of getting the vibe that I
wasn't really into it. And then he's like, you know what.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, you have your whole team with you every time
you go out.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, and he's like, you know what, this was great.
I think you're very nice, but I'm not going to
come to dinner tonight because you know, I kind of
like you and it just seems like you're not into it.
And that's fine, like we could still be friends. And
then at that point I was like, yeah, he was
very mature and which he had said, he's like he
would have met me ten years ago. I would not
have been like that, okay, but he's like, so, yeah,
(25:04):
I'm not going to come to dinner tonight. And in
that moment, I was like, shit, do I like him? Oh? No,
do I like him? Do I have a crush on
Bob Saggitt? This is weird anyway? So I was like,
what if I am interested? He's like, what time is dinner?
So then then after that it was like, all right,
we're we're just gonna it's on, Yeah, it's on literally,
and then that was it, and then I moved to
(25:25):
La like ten months later, and then we got engaged
ten nine months after that or something.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, I need to tell people something because for our generation,
you mentioned how we know Bob Saggitt, Danny Tanner.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I just wish I could show dj that I'm as
hip and cool as you guys are.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Danny, you don't have to be hipp and cool your
spic and spam America's funniest home videos. Now you are
in for a tree tonight.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
We've got a lady who sleeps with a stuffed most,
a boy who makes face noises, and a man who
plays dueling banjos with his ears, and they say there's
no quality.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
He was America's dad.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I saw The Aristocrats in my early twenties. Okay, and
if people haven't seen this movie, it's documentary featuring every famous.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Comedian you've ever heard of is in this movie.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And the documentary tells the story of one joke. The
punchline is always the Aristocrats, but every comedian has their
own spin on telling this joke. It's great, everyone should
watch it. But I think what is most memorable for
people coming out of watching The Aristocrats, which I saw
(26:33):
in theaters in New York City, was how filthy Bob
Saggatt was like philthy, the bluest of blue comedy, and
it showed a very different side of him to people
who weren't used.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
To like his stand up. And obviously after that.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
You know, he kind of capitalized on that, you know,
with a role in Entourage playing Not America's Dad. So
it was an incredible new way to see Bob Saget.
But I imagine when it's just you two your home,
he's not on stage, there's no cameras.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Like, what's the actually, what's he actually like?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's so funny because he truly is like a mix
of all of that put together.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He definitely had his Danny Tanner side. He loved hugging people,
and he was a clean freak, like a psycho clean freak, okay,
and that was very real for him. And also he
had a little bit of his Entourage side. I like
every day he would be in the hot tub smoking
a cigar and had his robot, you know, like he
(27:40):
had that. He was that guy too. The thing that
he was really kind of irritated about was people thought
that when they got to you know, saw the Aristocrats,
or when they saw his comedy, They're like, Bob Sagget
became dirty. He got dirty, And he was always like,
this is always who I was. A family TV guy
(28:01):
was not who he was really, right, he had some
of those elements to his personality, as I said, you know,
the Danny Tanner like he was really warm and fuzzy
and cuddley and cozy. But he was doing this type
of comedy when he was seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. Yeah,
and so he's like, this is who I've always been.
People just didn't know me for that before, and now
when I'm being who I am, people are like, oh,
(28:23):
Bob got so dirty and then and he really wasn't
that Aristocrats was absolutely filthy. Okay, that's a different story,
but in general in his comedy, he's like, I'm really
just like a teenage boy who found out that they
could tell dirty jokes for the first time.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
They weren't like sexual, they weren't. It was more like
toilet humor type stuff, right, you know, And it was
funny to him. His dad made jokes like that to
him growing up, and so it was just funny to him.
And so that's just what he did. So he encompassed
all of those kind of personas. But yeah, who he
was at home, he was just endlessly obsessed with just
(29:05):
wanting to make people happy and entertain people. And so
even at home he was always you know, yes, he'd
be cracking jokes with People'd be like, oh, you live
with the comedian, Like you just must be laughing all
the time. I'm like, who knew to knew? Comedians are
dark afy? You know, comedians are some of the darkest,
most neurotic, deep thinkers that you've ever met. I mean,
(29:29):
Bob was very introspective. He was very deep, and he
had a very hard childhood, and he had so much
death in his life. Both of his sisters died at
young ages, he lost both of his parents, so he
had a lot of death, a lot of darkness. And
so even though he was an optimist and he was
always trying to be happy himself and then make people happy,
there was always that, you know, kind of sadness and
(29:52):
darkness that was there too. So he was always trying
to manage all of that, and he ultimately was just
a person who truly just wanted to make the world laugh,
make people happy outside and in his own home.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Well, And was that when you live with someone who
just wants to make people happy, that can be a
lot of pressure on you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Was that a lot of pressure?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, because I knew it's interesting when you get to
know somebody when they're sixty years old, Like they are
a very established person in their own right. And I
knew who he was and I saw him for who
he was. And that's something that was so important to
him was that he had never really felt understood by,
you know, anyone he was in a relationship with, and
(30:42):
I like really understood him. So that was something why
he was so appreciative of our relationship. He's like, you
get me. No one ever gets me. And I just knew.
I'm like, this is I mean, he drove me nuts,
but like I'm like, but this is who he is.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
He needs to.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Entertain, he needs to perform, He needs to make people happy.
And so you know, if he had to like leave
for several days to go on tour, to go do
a show, and then call me afterwards and explain for
two hours why it was such an important show or
why he did what he did, Like, I was just
so happy for him that he got to do what
he loved. Yeah, and then also just taking care of people.
(31:17):
He just really took care of people friends. I Mean,
you could be somebody who wasn't even that close to him,
and you could be like, oh, I have this medical issue.
He's like, I got a doctor for that, let me
hook you up. I've got the right guy, let me
take care of it, and two seconds later you have
an appointment with this doctor.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
He was just really just a really.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Good, loyal friend and just like just a caretaker, you know.
And he had three daughters and he it was his
whole life's work to take care of them and to
be a good dad, and so, you know, and he
always liked to say not DJ Stephan Michelle, but he
had three real daughters, and you know, he just all
he cared about was just being a good dad. And
(31:57):
he had finally learned, you know, because he was married
before and had relationships in between. And he was just
so proud of the fact that in his sixties that
he finally was able to find love and be with
someone and actually have like a mature relationship because you know,
he wasn't always. He said, He's like, if you would
have met me ten years ago, you would not have
(32:18):
liked me. It had done a lot of work on himself,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Well, and getting married is explicitly and inherently about a future.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, and then he obviously died way too young, and
you were very young.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, you know, in your early forties, what did it
feel like to have your future snatched away?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, And on the morbid ish kind of side, I
did anticipate becoming a slightly younger. I hate the word
widow widow, you know, I just I didn't think it
was going to be in my forties. But I thought
it would be maybe, you know, I'd be sixty or
(33:08):
something or sixty five and he'd be eighty five or not,
you know. Yeah, And then there were times that I
would always be like, you know, because you know, one
day you'll probably go before and he was like, what
are you talking about. I was like, look, I have
a longevity that runs in my family. I could be ninety.
I was like, you're probably not going to be one
hundred and fifteen. And he's like, you don't know that
(33:28):
I'm going to be one hundred and fifty. Like he
would always think. He's like, I'm going to outlive you.
I'm going to be over one hundred. I'm like, God,
bless you. I hope. So you know what I mean. Yeah,
but I did anticipate that if natural life span was
going to live, you know, play out, that i'd be
losing him at a slightly younger age than I would
have hoped. I just did not think it was going
(33:49):
to be three years into our marriage, you know what
I mean. Like that was just so shocking, and it
was really strange. It was a very strange, disorienting. You'll
just very disoriented because you're like, wait, I don't have
I remember even that first day. I don't even know
if I like talked about this publicly, maybe only to
(34:11):
a canvas because she was the first person who got
to my house that day. And I remember just being like,
I don't have a husband. I mean, obviously I was
like barely coherent and not functioning and like crying hysterically
the whole time. But I remember just being like.
Speaker 6 (34:27):
I don't have a husband anymore, Like what, I don't
have a husband, but I'm in his house and all
of his stuff is here, and he just left for
a few days and he's never coming back, and like,
I don't have I remember just saying over and over.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And people were like, oh God, how do we help
her with this? Because you know, I was just saying
like I don't have a husband anymore, and like that
was so shocking, and then also being like wait, so
I'm a widow and I'm forty at the time, I
was forty two, and I'm like, now what I was like,
so one day I have to like start dating again,
like what like, but I'm a widow, Like is anyone
ever going to want to date a widow? Like you
(34:59):
just have this weird identity crisis? Yeah, so this is
who I am now and this is and I was like,
but I feel like the same person. I don't feel
like a widow. Yeah, but I don't know my husband anymore.
There's it was this like circle that I just I
was like, but I still feel like me, but I'm
not me and I went through this but I still
(35:20):
but I'm a happy person. I want to be happy.
So how do I do that? How do I reconcile
all this? It was very strange, and then it just
takes time and it kind of works itself out, and
then you know, I've learned so much about grief and
I've spent so much time with other widows, especially young widows.
Like very early on, I became very close with Amanda Klutes.
(35:41):
Katie Kuric became a really really trusted, wonderful friend to
me because she had lost her husband the same age
that I was Wow, and you know, I was just
surrounded by people who got it, who understood, who were
so helpful, and so I learned so and then doing
my podcast, I've talked to so many people who've gone
through it. So now it's you know, you process it
(36:01):
and you understand it and you grasp it and then
you just get to a place of you know, I
accepted it pretty early on, but it's there, it's still
a process.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
How do you think that loss impacted your mental health?
Not in the moment, but long term.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It's so interesting because I was a big worrier. Like
I had a lot of worry problems and kind of
anxiety that came from worry. Yeah, Like ever since I
was a little kid, I always thought my parents were
going to get killed in a car accident or something
like horrible tragic would happen. And I remember I was
always so worried, and Bob would always say to me, like,
stop worrying. You're going to give yourself an autoimmune disease.
(36:45):
You're going to give yourself cancer, You're going to give
yourself a disease. Stop worrying. It's bad for you. None
of this stuff. You're worrying about ever happens, and so
I would of course worry about him all the time too,
like if I couldn't get a hold of him, like
did he get a car accident? Did he you did
something happen? Did you know he was a little bit older,
I was like, did God forbid? Like did he have
a heart attack? Like if and he was so responsive,
(37:08):
like if ten minutes went by whatever, or I didn't
hear from him, something was weird, you know, unless I
knew he was like filming something or whatever. But for
the most part, he was always on it. So the
strange thing is because he had been telling me like
stop worrying, You're gonna kill yourself, Like, stop worrying. That
(37:28):
day on January ninth, twenty twenty two, when I couldn't
get a hold of him, it was literally the first
time where normally I would start like immediately spiraling, yeah,
like something happened, something happened. That day was the first
day that I was like, calm down, Kelly, I'm sure
everything's fine. This is like, you know, nothing ever happens,
(37:50):
All the things you worry about never come true. Everything's fine.
There's an explanation why he's not answering, and then of
course it was like the worst absolute day of my
entire life and the worst thing that could have happened.
So then I was like, Okay, well that's kind of bullshit. Now,
like now you can't tell me don't worry because the
(38:11):
bad thing never happens. I was like, it did happen, yep.
But then there's the mentality of, well, but it happened once.
What are the odds anything like that would ever happen again?
So like maybe now, maybe I'm good forever now and
I can just live my life because nothing like that's
ever gonna happen again. So that has been a little
bit of a mental situation of trying to navigate like
(38:33):
anxiety and worry. Yeah. Like now, even like I have,
you know, loved ones, if they're trying to, let's say,
do an extreme sport or you know, do something, I'll
be like, can you please not do that?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Please?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
And they have a very specific empathy for me because
they're like, we get why you would be concerned.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I relate more than you know
that what you're describing is very much my anxiety as well.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I catastrophize and at my worst.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I do it intentionally, and I do it because in
my irrational, disordered mind, I think if I don't catastrophize
and imagine the worst thing happening, then it will happen.
And the second I relax and say I'm not going
to worry, I'm sure everything's fine, is going to invite
the bad thing.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Right, And if you're on edge, well then you're probably okay.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Well, And that's the thing, and prepare. That's the liar
of anxiety. It tells you that you're only safe when
you're worrying, yes, And if you're not worrying, you are
not safe.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And of course that's not true or real.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
But it has been the struggle of my life, Kelly,
to try to undo those habits where I would catastrophize, catastrophized,
catastrophize because I thought it kept me safe.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yes, And it's the heart for me. The hardest.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
It's been the hardest thing to do my mental health
journey because I had a nervous breakdown from anxiety a
few years ago and learning my triggers, stopping myself from
these catastrophic thoughts, telling myself you're not inviting it, you know,
just because you say everything's fine, doesn't doesn't have anything
to do with what's going to happen or not. But
(40:18):
it's really hard, yeah, to keep telling yourself that when
bad things have happened. I cover a lot of bad
things in the news, so my brain is completely broken
in terms of the way it sees the world. And
I think, well, who are you to tell me a
bad thing can't happen? I just covered seven of them today.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
You know, why am I so lucky that none of
this should ever happen?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And why am I special?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:43):
See? I can really, I mean, I empathize with that
so much, the catastrophize it. I mean, there are things
that go on in my brain sometime where I'm like,
if anyone knew what I was actually thinking about right now,
they would be like, you're insane, Like why would you
think that that would ever happen. That's not a thing
that happens.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
You know, I do know.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I mean I think about out okay, like readiness, what
if a plane crashed into my house.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I've had that thought, Kelly, probably more than a dozen times.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
That's never gonna happen, But in my mind it spirals,
and if I'm not covering every base all the time.
I feel like I feel on edge. And that's why
Bob is right. My therapist told me you're.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Gonna get a heart attack.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You're gonna have a heart attack because you're not meant
to have this adrenaline fight or flight happening. Yeah, chemically
in your body all the time.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I will say that, Yeah, just the increased cortisol levels
are just so bad for you, and bad I Lately,
I have felt very relaxed. I've been so much better
about I mean not every there's still stupid things that
pop in my head that I'm like, oh what about this?
But for the most part, I've been pretty chill lately
(41:52):
to where it's funny because I'll have, you know, a
family member or friend be like really anxious or nervous
about something. I'm like, just relax, man, Like do you
so worried about? Like everything is great? And they're like, uh,
do you remember, like you you have your life leading
up until now. I'm like, oh yeah, but hey, still,
if you can still give the good advice, you can
give the good advice you.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Know well, and I you know, I discovered a really
important trick for me, and maybe this will help you too.
Telling someone who's anxious to relax or calm down.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Oh yeah, not good.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Uh, it will makes me more anxious, right, Like what's
wrong with me? Why can't I calm down? It really
draws attention to my anxiety. So the thing that I've
told myself is the opposite of anxious isn't calm or relaxed.
The opposite of anxious is present and being in the
place you are where there's no danger instead of the
(42:48):
place your mind goes where the worst thing's going to happen.
That's the trick. It's not calming down, it's being present.
And I mentioned I went to Belgium for a month
with my family, and you know, planes and trains and
travel can be triggering for me, for all the catastrophic thoughts.
But I got there and I thought, I don't want
(43:09):
to miss this incredible experience because my mind is somewhere
unsafe when I am in someplace very safe.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
So I worked on that a lot for that month.
But it was an.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Interesting like frame work shift that really helped me.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
That is it's so simple yet so powerful. Yeah, and
so thank you for that, because that, I mean, that
is one of those things. It's like live in the moment.
Live in the present. Don't think about the future. Don't
think about the past. Like you can't change the past.
You don't know about the future. So live in the present.
But it's to really practice that specific it's hard to
be very yeah, difficult but helpful.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
It's so helpful, but it's it's it's hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
So in better news, I think you are dating Breckenmeier.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yes, yes, you are correct.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
I mean he was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, Travis Birkenstock was an important part of my childhood.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Grandfast Birkenstock thirty eight tarties by far the most tarties
in the class. Congratulations, I'm so unexpected.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
I didn't even have a speech prepared. But I would
like to say this tardiness is not something you can
do all on your own. Many, many people contributed to
my tardiness. I'd like to say my parents never giving
me a ride to school.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
The la It's so funny. Once again, on the lighter side,
people joke like, wow, you just really love those like
nineties nineties iconic characters. I'm like, okay, this was not
planned all right together?
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, and both you know, whether it's Danny Tanner or
Travis Berkinsock, both are people who I at the time, like,
It's not like I had a big crush on Danny Tanner.
I had a big crush on Travis Jergensack. They were
both not on my radar at the time. You know,
I knew the character is very well, of course. I
mean I've seen Clueless probably over two hundred times. I
know every single word to where every once in a
while with Brecken, like I don't even mean it because
(45:17):
like my sisters and I, my friends and I, like
we say clueless lines all the time, and every once
in a while, like one will just come out to
him and he'll be like really, I'm like, look, I
can't I can't help it. I'm sorry, it is what
it is. I can't turn it off. Yeah, but he
actually appreciates it more than Bob appreciated Full House. Yeah,
(45:38):
he embraces Clueless a little bit more. But Yeah, it
was so nice because I was really worried for a
long time. I mean, obviously I knew in my head.
To me, the one year mark after losing Bob was
I'm not even going to let my brain go to
thinking about dating again for at least a year. That
was like my appropriate time frame. Anything less than that,
(46:01):
to me didn't feel appropriate, and I felt to society
wouldn't think that that was appropriate either. After the one
year mark, I might not not be ready still, but
at least if I did, then at least, you know,
the public would be like, all right, well it's been
a year. It was maybe a couple a year and
a couple months. I had to sit down with Bob's daughters,
who I'm you know, one was just staying with me
(46:23):
this week. I'm incredibly close to them, talk to them
every day, love them more than life. I love them
so much, and I'm so grateful that we're so close,
because that is not always the case, you know, step
family situation. But I talked to them and I was like, look,
you know, I'm not ready yet, but I might be
ready soon to you know, maybe get a coffee with somebody,
(46:44):
or like get a go on a hike or something like, Kelly,
we want you to be happy, you know, and Dad
would want you to be happy. And I was like,
I don't know about that, and they're like, he would.
And it really was a hard time for me separating
or flee Bob from Heavenly Bob. I was like, Earthly
Bob would be like, how dare you? How could you
(47:06):
even think about moving on right forward? As I call it,
And Heavenly Bob of course loved me or you know,
well all the Bobs loved me, but Heavenly Bob would
want me to be happy.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, so it was hard.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
For me to separate those two. And then his girls
were like helly. I was like, They're like, you don't
need our permission. I was like, I know, I don't
need your permission, but I want your blessing, yeah, like
you have it explicitly, like of course. So then it
was a few months after that. I mean I had
met Brecken briefly with Bob. Like he and Bob loved
(47:39):
each other. They weren't very close. They were more like
friendly acquaintances but really respected each other, really liked each other,
and shared a mutual best friend. So it was this
mutual best friend who had a anniversary party and it
was postponed a year. So Bob and I were supposed
(48:00):
to go together the year before, but then it got
postponed a year. And then at this point Bob obviously
was not there, and then Breckon and I, as I said,
we had briefly met before, but we hung out a
little bit at that event, and then I was like, oh, no,
he's kind of cute. And I didn't even know if
he was single, and then you know, our mutual friend
(48:20):
was like, no, he is. And then we just you
know started once again like follow each other on Instagram
and then just DMed a little bit and then we
went out and then right away I was like, oh,
he's so great, Like this is such a great fit.
And I was so concerned for so long, like in
that process leading up to it, of like who's ever
(48:41):
going to want to date a widow? Like just sounds
so gross, And you know, who's ever going to be?
Like I can't just date some just anybody. They have
to be someone who appreciates Bob and knows that Bob
is always going to be a part of my life.
So it's going to take a really confident person to
(49:03):
live up to and also doesn't get intimidated by who
Bob was and by his place in my life. And
Breckon from day one was just such a g about it,
like he was just so cool and just so understanding
and just strong and confident about it, and like still
(49:26):
to this day, like loves talking about Bob, asks questions
about Bob. You know, has spent time with Bob's girls
and Bob's family and they all get along, and it's
just like he he just has zero problems with it.
And I mean as you would hope and expect. I mean,
nobody really should have a problem with it. But but yeah,
he's just been so great and supportive and so it's
(49:48):
been really special. And I feel every day I'm like,
how did I get so lucky that literally, like right up,
you know, right out of the gate, this is who
I end up dating, and it's gone so well, And
how did I get so lucky?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
But twice?
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Right, yeah, yeah, And part of me is like it's
too good to be true. Something bad's got to happen.
But I'm like, of course you're not going to You're
going to just enjoy life and enjoy this wonderful person,
good that I've been fortunate enough to meet.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
I want to do now a lightning round before we
before we leave you. Oh sure, okay, Okay, what's the
best hot dog in Chicago?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Portillo's?
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Okay, Okay, I like.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
A quick answer, fast enough. I like a fast answer.
I like Wiener Circle.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
But you know, well you should have specified what's your
favorite hot dog before two am? Or after two am?
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Well?
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Wiener Circle, so right because that's after two am?
Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, like who goes to Wiener Circle at noon? You
know you are correct? You are correct?
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Okay, that's on me. Okay. What's the best movie about
food or travel?
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Ooh? You know what? It encompasses both the Trip series,
the Trip, the Trip to Italy, the trip to Oh
my god, what are there? The actor's names, the British
actors that are just absolutely brilliant, that do the best
Michael Caine impressions.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Do you Michael Kain?
Speaker 7 (51:23):
Okay, I say, Michael kayin you used to talk like
this in the nineteen sixties, right, but that has changed.
And I say that over the years Michael's.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
Voice has capped the cephal act. Let me finish.
Speaker 7 (51:34):
This is how Michael Kaine speaks. Michael Kaine speaks to
his nose like that. It gets very very specific. It's
very like that. When it gets loudly, it gets very loud. Indeed,
that's Michael Kaine.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Oh, Steve Coogan, Okay, Robert Brighton.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yes, I don't know these.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah, they have like the trip to Italy, the trip
to I think Greece, and so it's they're playing themselves,
but it's a little like mockumentary ish. Yeah, And they
travel to these places and they eat it the fanciest restaurants,
and so it's a little bit of like a cooking
show because they go into the kitchen with the chef
and it's brilliantly shot in terms of the cooking and
(52:13):
the food scenes. But yet they're traveling and it's like
they rent this little car and they're driving through the
Italian countryside and they're hilarious together. So it's a comedy
and it's kind of they make it almost like it's
the documentary but it's not.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
I love that. I can't wait to check them out. Awesome.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, Bob and I were really into them, and we
watched them multiple times each and I think during the
pandemic because we were dreaming about like, oh, we can't
wait to travel again.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
Right, Yeah, Okay, this is also this is very important
to me personally.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
When is iced coffee season.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
I think it's when it's hot out. I'm not I
don't really do iced coffee when it's cold out. To me,
I would say in la like May through October. Ok,
are you a year round kind of go.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, that's the wrong answer, only because I mean, I
grew up in Boston, right there was a dunkin Donuts
in my high school. It's part of my culture. And
I was drinking iced coffee at like twelve. I mean,
you know, it's a it's a big it's a big
part of who I am. But I understand, I understand.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
How I was drinking at fourteen, drinking ten gallons of
hot coffee at the diners while smoking a pack of cigarettes,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Like, so yeah, that was.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Like the extreme version of coffee at a very young
age and so kidding. But once again in you know,
in Chicago in the winter, it's cold, like I wanted
something warm. And now there have been a couple of
times where Brecken and I we go out to get
coffee and it's hot out and he orders a hot
coffee and I'm like, no, what now, like how like,
(53:51):
what's wrong with you? Anyway?
Speaker 3 (53:52):
So I don't want to sip it. It's not precious.
I want directly injected into my veins. If I could inject.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
It, I would.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
It is easier to chug an iced coffee.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I need to chug.
Speaker 3 (54:03):
This was such a great talk, Kelly Rizzo, Thank you
so much for coming on and being so open both
about your late husband but also your mental health. Uh
that's what we're trying to do here, just kind of
take the temperature down, check in with each other, have
real conversation.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Misciate it so important. I appreciate you and what you're
doing and just everything that you do.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
Coming up next week, I talked to legendary producer, cinematographer,
director Barry Sonenfeld, who gives me all the hot goss
behind the scenes in Hollywood.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
Travalta says, said, Gene, they've just met. So Gene, why
did you do this weekend? And Jane says, well, with
eight fucking pages of dialogue to learn, I pretty much
fucking did nothing except learning the eight fucking pages. John
Travalta says, that's a waste of a weekend. So I
know how you in trouble.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcast as
part of the recent Choice Network. I'm Your Hostess. Cupp
editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers
are Messie Cupp, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
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Speaker 3 (55:11):
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