February 24, 2025 • 19 mins
It’s time for another roundup of stimulating coffee news! In this month’s installment of Talkin’ Coffee, S.E. sits down with her producers Lauren and Derrick to share the latte-st stories from around the globe. From a new multi-million-dollar lab at MIT devoted to coffee science to how tariffs threaten coffee prices, plus the job S.E. was born to have. And more! This episode has all the news that fit to sip.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, off the pup.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Listeners, this is your Talking Coffee with Essie, where we
talk coffee news. I talked to my producers, the Lovely Lauren,
the Lovely Derek about all things coffee.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You've arrived.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You're at the right place for all of your coffee news.
Are you guys ready to talk some coffee?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yes? Pour me some desperate for some coffee news.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I think last time we said this was all the
news that was fit to sick.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes, oh, yes, yeah, and that worked.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That works.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're gonna, We're gonna We're gonna keep trotting that out.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
That's the keeper here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is all the news that's fit to sip because
we love coffee here, we love coffee. Lauren, you were
telling me you're you're a little under the weather and
you've not had coffee in three days.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It's really tragic. I tried to make do with some
tea this morning, and it's just.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Really not cuna. It's not doing anything for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is what I never understand when people are like,
I don't I don't drink coffee, I drink tea. Okay,
all right, what does that have to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That is unrelated?
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You can also have tea unrelated, right.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I get they're both caffeinated, they're both hot beverages. Usually
you can also have them ice. I get that they
are completely different experiences. Yeah, I don't care that you
also drink tea. It does not have to be one
or the other. It's not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But for me, it's hard to pinpoint the reason. Like
I love the taste. Obviously, it's the taste, Lauren, it's
the taste, the taste, it's.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Just something about that morning.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I guess if I only drink tea, I would have
that morning moment too, But I don't know that morning
moment with my coffee is so special.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, the ritual of it is special, and that's a
big part of it too, But it's the taste.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah, it's delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's the best flavor. It's the best taste in the world,
and I need it every day. But I know what
you mean, like when you're sick, and they're things like
you can't do, like I have milk in my coffee
and I can't have like dairy when I'm sick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I just don't want any part.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Of that totally, right, get the thought of it, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Sad all right, Well, let's turn let's turn those friends
upside down with some coffee news.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Let's do it, all right, I've got to start us off.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We're gonna start with the bad news, okay, and we're
gonna work our way up to the good news. And
you know, I hate to talk politics, but politics is
interfering with m coffee.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No, this political cycle will not even leave my coffee alone.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Because Trump's tariffs are threatening the coffee industry.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
After saying he'd immediately enact a twenty five percent tariff
on imports on Colombian coffee goods, he later raised that
to fifty percent.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Tensions were luckily de escalated when the two countries reached
a temporary agreement on immigration procedures.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh my god, but it's temporary. It is temporary.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Trump is still threatening these tariffs on Columbia's coffee. The
world's second largest producer of Arabica coffee, by the way,
still in Trump's crosshairs. So get ready for your overpriced
coffee drinks to get even more overpriced.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thanks Trump.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Okay, so we Colombia, is this you said? The second
largest producer.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Of Arabica coffee in the world.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Okay, so what's so what's the first It's Brazil.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So far, we're so far, so good with Brazil.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But coffee prices are already at an all time high.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They are insane right now, right now, they are already
the highest they've ever been.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So this is a bummer. This is a big bummer.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is where politics is affecting my life in actual light.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So bummed about that.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Well, and where does Duncan get its coffee beans? That's
what I that's the important thing, that's the really important thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That is the important thing. Where they sourced. I'll find
that out, Derek. Okay, I got a guy I literally
inside Duncan will tell me that he's actually the head
of security for Duncan, So I will find out.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Wow, So you do you need to make friends with
the head of security of Duncan so that you can
like stage late, late night stealthy trips inside to scope
it out and potentially.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Helps me in a number of arenas.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Let me Okay, you wouldn't expect we can talk off
air after about what those are.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
This person's very very helpful.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, next story and talking coffee. I may have to
go back to college, which would not be a bad thing.
I loved being in college. I went to several colleges.
I loved it so much.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Mi i T, a college I could not get into.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Mi T has a new class called Coffee Matters, which
blends chemistry lends with hands on brewing experiments.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Okay, fine, wow.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Jeffrey Grossman from the Department of Materials, Science and Engineering
says the class this is his class is the perfect
example of his discipline and action.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's why it's coffee Matters because it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Matter, mind blowing matters in chemistry, matters as in matter.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But now, how do you engineer it? How do you
understand it? How do you see it? And then change it?
So he built a multi million dollar lab called the
Breaker Space at MIT, and the class pairs weekly lectures
on topics like coffee chemistry, or the anatomy and composition
of a coffee bean, or the effects of roasting and
(05:40):
the brewing process with tasting sessions.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, please, wait, he.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Built this whole lab just for the coffee class.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm going to pretend. Yes, I imagine MIT has some other
uses for so I hope. So I'm going to pretend
this is just for this coffee.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Class, because that'll be next on the topping block. Mit,
you better watch out.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Probably hold on to that that coffee lab while you can.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Students use equipment like digital optical microscopes to examine ground
coffee particles. In one experiment, he and his students used
an electron microscope and an infrared spectrometer to research weather.
Microwaving your coffee physically makes it worse and it does.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Oh interesting, that is Yeah, that's news.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You can use instinctively, you know that it does do that,
but it's nice to have scientific backing.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
As a nice coffee drinker, this is never a problem
for me, but my parents.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is my parents ritual.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
My parents my dad every morning, anybody want a dunk,
I'm going for a dunkin run right, okay, So he
runs off, gets us all dunks. My parents get hot
medium coffees. They drink it so slowly that they need
to nuke it like twice or three times. Yeah, over
the course of this one cup of coffee.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
That's sad. I mean, I do like no offense.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do really like hot coffee when it's cold outside,
and I but I am so so sensitive to the temperature,
Like if it goes below a certain temperature, I'm offended
by it.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Yeah, and so I do.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And also like having young kids, you know, you constantly
leave your coffee out, and so I am microwaving it
like much more than your parents, like five or six
times on like a weekend, you know, weekdays, I'm chugging that.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I can't imagine how bad that coffee is.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
By the way, I know, I'm curious, like what I
would love to see, like a some sort of graph.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
We need to put it to the test in this class.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Yeah, well, Lauren, I'm like you. I also prefer hot coffee.
I'm sorry to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
But I don't have to apologize to me because you
like your coffee high.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But I will say, so I got I was excited
because I got a thermist. It's like there is a
technology that exists to keep liquids warm. But I will
say I didn't enjoy drinking out of it because it
had like a metallic it was like metallic inside, and
it kind of added a different flavor to the coffee.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Another scientific class, we perform that experiment, Derek.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Yeah, so I wish I what I want. I don't
know if it exists.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Is like a like a ceramic thermist or you know
something where like it's it's very neutral, doesn't do anything
reactive to the to the coffee, but it but it
keeps it nice and warm.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That's what I That's what I want the scientist to
come up with.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Well, okay, I'm i tea. You have your challenge.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Come on there you go science, So you have to
take these cough you know I should audit it. I'll
just audit it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, you have to teach it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right, You do the chemistry part.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I'll do the taste of Okay, next talking coffee news.
If my job does not work out, I've got to
(08:54):
backup plan. Thanks to Chameleon Coffee, Austin's original handcrafted cold brew,
it's offering you and your bestie a chance to travel
the United States and share coffee. They want two people
to join their inaugural Brew Crew and common Deer their
Chameleon Coffee van and document their journey as they travel
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to events like south By Southwest. They tell your right
Bluegrass Festival and so on while sharing Chameleon coffee.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
That sounds great, as if this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Weren't awesome enough. Listen what they're going to give you
to do this. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'm almost I'm ready to quit.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
My job Comprehensive Health, Dental and Vision.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
And you could see the best job in town, you guys, I.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Don't have that. A seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh my god, this is amazing. Paid housing.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Okay, chameleon, where did you come?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Daily per diem for food and essentials?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And wait for it, all the coffee you can drink.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
That is amazing. Have you ever heard of Chamelion coffee before?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
No, it's Austin, Texas based.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But like, oh my god, all you.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Have to do is be twenty one, have a clean
driving record, and have some content creator experience.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh my god, I have a little.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, this job sounds I feel like the fact
that they listed just two events would be suspect, Like
you're probably going to some of the smaller state by
state localities, but you know whatever, I feel like the
fact that you're getting paid for that. See, that sounds
like a good addition to your resume.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Go.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I drive around nowhere, like you know, I don't have
to go to the cool festivals I'll go to your
mom's house.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I'll go anywhere you tell me to go.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Paying me.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I get health insurance and all the coffee I can drink.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, that does sound amazing.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
So you're basically this job? Is it like a brand ambassador?
Where you go and you're like promoting this particular.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, and do you know how you promote it?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Derek?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
By drinks in front of you drinking it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
By drinking again, just.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Strike up conversation with people. Oh you know, how's it going? Oh?
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Let me just hold this cup really close to your
face and then take a sip.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yummy, job done. Job that does sound.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Pretty great, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Where were these jobs when I was twenty and so
broke in Manhattan that I jumped subway turnstyle?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like, where was this job?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Well, you wouldn't have qualified at that time because you
need to be twenty one.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Apparently that's true. Well, I was twenty one when I graduated.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, I was twenty Okay, and I think I had
a clean driving record. Yeah, I had a clean driving
record because I never drove. Okay, here's here's a bit,
a bit of a bummer. But I think we can
move past him pretty quick.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
So we're escalating. We're on the up.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, I thought we were.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
We're going to end on the up. This is just
a little, a little dip. But I feel like we're
gonna We're gonna be able. We're gonna have an argument
with this exciting and we're gonna win. Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Someone who identifies as an integrated lifestyle coach on social
media already suspect has issued the following command. A person
named Luke Katino says coffee is not breakfast.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You have to have water first, then.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Breakfast, then coffee to be the healthiest. Apparently having coffee
first can spike your cortisol levels.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Also, he is not a medical.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Doctor, let's just say this first.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He also very rudely says that sugar or syrup in
your coffee is not coffee, it's dessert.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Which is also against I mean, I think we can
dismiss that.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I definitely drink water first, but I drink coffee second.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Absolutely, breakfast doesn't come.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Close, and sometimes in place of breakfast.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, I know this doesn't really exist, but coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Can we normalize coffee as the meal? Can we normalize
that totally?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
So just to be clear, so this person is claiming
that you first need water, then food, then some kind
of food, then coffee.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, crazy, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Is it just that, like it doesn't absorb into anything?
Is there like a medical.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Decentem dive the science of them?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Because I dissed it immediately.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It's not even worth it.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yeah, you don't even need to deep dive because it's
just in the trash already scarfage.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
But I do think anyone who wakes up and doesn't
first take one sip of water.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Might be a little man.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I also wake up with water because I take a
whole bunch of bills.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It's morning, a large gulf of water. So I do
drink water cleans.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Your bedtime mouth before you get that first beautiful taste
of coffee.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I mean, that's true, true, it's true.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm not against that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, but I want my coffee pretty much right away,
pretty much, absolutely, absolutely, and definitely before food.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I can't even think about food.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Say, we talked about Brazil earlier. The word breakfast in
Portuguese in Brazil is cafe de mallel, which is more
eating coffee wrapping knowledge. Yeah, so it's like boom, breakfast
and coffee go together. Like dissassination in Brazil.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
That makes so much now that you shared that fun fact.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, so we're dismissing this. We're not going to get
bummed about it because I don't believe all that is
crazy talk. Okay, I will leave you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I do have positive coffee news for you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Boulder, Colorado coffee shops are joining together to offer something
called hanging coffees.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's not a euphemism for weed. It's coffees.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Shops are installing hanging coffee walls, which allow paying customers
to prepay for coffees and treats for homeless people and
other people in need. So there's a wall of like
coupons that other people have paid for, and if you
need one, you grab a coupon off the wall for
say a cup of coffee, and you bring it to
the front, and it's paid for.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Isn't that so nice? I love that Genius's genius?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Where is this taking place? Colorado?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Boulder, Colorado?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And all the coffee shops are sort of like coming together.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To do this so cute as a community, which is
so nice.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
But I love this idea, and.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know how, sometimes I don't know if this is
like a Boston thing. But like I grew up, if
a cop was behind you, you bought their coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh that's just that's what you do. I don't know
if that's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You see it in the in the drive through, you
do it too, Like you can get the person behind
you the cops coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But I'm always looking to buy someone's coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Who needs coffee because I'm a coffee and evangelist and
bring you coffee, I understand, but like I.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Want to buy you a cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
When I was working in Philly, you guys, remember I
was working in Philly for a bit, and there was
always a gentleman who hung out outside a cafe that
I went to to grab my my salad every lunch.
And he was a lovely man and I always said hi,
and I would most days come out with a cup
of coffee for him.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Assuming he wanted one.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I didn't even ask.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I just assumed you'll want a cup of coffee. Did
he receive it? And he was always very grateful. But
if there were a system in a shop to be like,
can I buy five coffees?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, just put them upon the wall, I so do that.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Yeah, that's very sweet way to go Boulder.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know it's it's twofold because it's not just
about coffee. If you want to come in from the
cold and you have nowhere to go, a lot of
places require you to buy.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Something to sit there and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, this way you can come in from the cold
and sit down somewhere and enjoy a cup of coffee
or or a treat or a snack that someone has
prepaid for, and stay as long as you need. I
love that these are creative solutions to endemic problems.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, that's very sweet, very clever.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yay, I might tell my local coffee shop.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I know we should spread the word.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
There's so many coffee shops, they can all work together
exactly right.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Maybe all Maybe I'll what is it, flagpole?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Then raise it up the flagpole?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, yeah, talk to your security friend, Yes, raise the
Duncan flag.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'll say, I got an idea for you.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Just have your duncan friend let you in and build
this wall yourself. And then the next day the manager
opens up the door and it's like, oh, the the
Duncan fairy came last night.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I guess we have a new tradition.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I love that you're imagining my guys like with keys.
This guy is like ahead of morprint like security, Like
he doesn't have the keys to head.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
I also like a huge key ring.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Every key of everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I love how we're picturing him with the big janitor keys.
I'm gonna let you into the big building, Essie.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You go do what you gotta do in there.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, that's the reason the news that's fit to sip
for this talking coffee.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Okay, ready to ready to have another sip?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Love it? That filled me up?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Ah well, Lauren, good luck getting back to real coffee.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I hope that happened. Thank you, thank you. Thanks, tomorrow's
my day. It's gonna happen here.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Listeners, this is your Talking Coffee with Essie, where we
talk coffee news. I talked to my producers, the Lovely Lauren,
the Lovely Derek about all things coffee.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
You've arrived.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You're at the right place for all of your coffee news.
Are you guys ready to talk some coffee?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yes? Pour me some desperate for some coffee news.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I think last time we said this was all the
news that was fit to sick.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes, oh, yes, yeah, and that worked.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That works.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're gonna, We're gonna We're gonna keep trotting that out.
Speaker 5 (00:38):
That's the keeper here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is all the news that's fit to sip because
we love coffee here, we love coffee. Lauren, you were
telling me you're you're a little under the weather and
you've not had coffee in three days.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
It's really tragic. I tried to make do with some
tea this morning, and it's just.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Really not cuna. It's not doing anything for me.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is what I never understand when people are like,
I don't I don't drink coffee, I drink tea. Okay,
all right, what does that have to do with anything.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
That is unrelated?
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You can also have tea unrelated, right.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I get they're both caffeinated, they're both hot beverages. Usually
you can also have them ice. I get that they
are completely different experiences. Yeah, I don't care that you
also drink tea. It does not have to be one
or the other. It's not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
But for me, it's hard to pinpoint the reason. Like
I love the taste. Obviously, it's the taste, Lauren, it's
the taste, the taste, it's.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Just something about that morning.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I guess if I only drink tea, I would have
that morning moment too, But I don't know that morning
moment with my coffee is so special.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, the ritual of it is special, and that's a
big part of it too, But it's the taste.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah, it's delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's the best flavor. It's the best taste in the world,
and I need it every day. But I know what
you mean, like when you're sick, and they're things like
you can't do, like I have milk in my coffee
and I can't have like dairy when I'm sick.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I just don't want any part.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Of that totally, right, get the thought of it, Like it's.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Sad all right, Well, let's turn let's turn those friends
upside down with some coffee news.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Let's do it, all right, I've got to start us off.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
We're gonna start with the bad news, okay, and we're
gonna work our way up to the good news. And
you know, I hate to talk politics, but politics is
interfering with m coffee.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
No, this political cycle will not even leave my coffee alone.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Because Trump's tariffs are threatening the coffee industry.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Oh no.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
After saying he'd immediately enact a twenty five percent tariff
on imports on Colombian coffee goods, he later raised that
to fifty percent.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Tensions were luckily de escalated when the two countries reached
a temporary agreement on immigration procedures.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Oh my god, but it's temporary. It is temporary.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Trump is still threatening these tariffs on Columbia's coffee. The
world's second largest producer of Arabica coffee, by the way,
still in Trump's crosshairs. So get ready for your overpriced
coffee drinks to get even more overpriced.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Thanks Trump.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Okay, so we Colombia, is this you said? The second
largest producer.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Of Arabica coffee in the world.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Okay, so what's so what's the first It's Brazil.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
So far, we're so far, so good with Brazil.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
But coffee prices are already at an all time high.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
They are insane right now, right now, they are already
the highest they've ever been.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So this is a bummer. This is a big bummer.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
This is where politics is affecting my life in actual light.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So bummed about that.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Well, and where does Duncan get its coffee beans? That's
what I that's the important thing, that's the really important thing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
That is the important thing. Where they sourced. I'll find
that out, Derek. Okay, I got a guy I literally
inside Duncan will tell me that he's actually the head
of security for Duncan, So I will find out.
Speaker 7 (04:07):
Wow, So you do you need to make friends with
the head of security of Duncan so that you can
like stage late, late night stealthy trips inside to scope
it out and potentially.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Helps me in a number of arenas.
Speaker 7 (04:19):
Let me Okay, you wouldn't expect we can talk off
air after about what those are.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
This person's very very helpful.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Okay, next story and talking coffee. I may have to
go back to college, which would not be a bad thing.
I loved being in college. I went to several colleges.
I loved it so much.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Mi i T, a college I could not get into.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Mi T has a new class called Coffee Matters, which
blends chemistry lends with hands on brewing experiments.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Okay, fine, wow.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Jeffrey Grossman from the Department of Materials, Science and Engineering
says the class this is his class is the perfect
example of his discipline and action.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Quote.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's why it's coffee Matters because it's a.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Matter, mind blowing matters in chemistry, matters as in matter.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Quote.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But now, how do you engineer it? How do you
understand it? How do you see it? And then change it?
So he built a multi million dollar lab called the
Breaker Space at MIT, and the class pairs weekly lectures
on topics like coffee chemistry, or the anatomy and composition
of a coffee bean, or the effects of roasting and
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the brewing process with tasting sessions.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yes, please, wait, he.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Built this whole lab just for the coffee class.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I'm going to pretend. Yes, I imagine MIT has some other
uses for so I hope. So I'm going to pretend
this is just for this coffee.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Class, because that'll be next on the topping block. Mit,
you better watch out.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Probably hold on to that that coffee lab while you can.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Students use equipment like digital optical microscopes to examine ground
coffee particles. In one experiment, he and his students used
an electron microscope and an infrared spectrometer to research weather.
Microwaving your coffee physically makes it worse and it does.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
Oh interesting, that is Yeah, that's news.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You can use instinctively, you know that it does do that,
but it's nice to have scientific backing.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
As a nice coffee drinker, this is never a problem
for me, but my parents.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
This is my parents ritual.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
My parents my dad every morning, anybody want a dunk,
I'm going for a dunkin run right, okay, So he
runs off, gets us all dunks. My parents get hot
medium coffees. They drink it so slowly that they need
to nuke it like twice or three times. Yeah, over
the course of this one cup of coffee.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
That's sad. I mean, I do like no offense.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
I do really like hot coffee when it's cold outside,
and I but I am so so sensitive to the temperature,
Like if it goes below a certain temperature, I'm offended
by it.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
Yeah, and so I do.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And also like having young kids, you know, you constantly
leave your coffee out, and so I am microwaving it
like much more than your parents, like five or six
times on like a weekend, you know, weekdays, I'm chugging that.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I can't imagine how bad that coffee is.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
By the way, I know, I'm curious, like what I
would love to see, like a some sort of graph.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
We need to put it to the test in this class.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
Yeah, well, Lauren, I'm like you. I also prefer hot coffee.
I'm sorry to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
But I don't have to apologize to me because you
like your coffee high.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But I will say, so I got I was excited
because I got a thermist. It's like there is a
technology that exists to keep liquids warm. But I will
say I didn't enjoy drinking out of it because it
had like a metallic it was like metallic inside, and
it kind of added a different flavor to the coffee.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Another scientific class, we perform that experiment, Derek.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Yeah, so I wish I what I want. I don't
know if it exists.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
Is like a like a ceramic thermist or you know
something where like it's it's very neutral, doesn't do anything
reactive to the to the coffee, but it but it
keeps it nice and warm.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
That's what I That's what I want the scientist to
come up with.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
Well, okay, I'm i tea. You have your challenge.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Come on there you go science, So you have to
take these cough you know I should audit it. I'll
just audit it.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, you have to teach it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Right, You do the chemistry part.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I'll do the taste of Okay, next talking coffee news.
If my job does not work out, I've got to
(08:54):
backup plan. Thanks to Chameleon Coffee, Austin's original handcrafted cold brew,
it's offering you and your bestie a chance to travel
the United States and share coffee. They want two people
to join their inaugural Brew Crew and common Deer their
Chameleon Coffee van and document their journey as they travel
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to events like south By Southwest. They tell your right
Bluegrass Festival and so on while sharing Chameleon coffee.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
That sounds great, as if this.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Weren't awesome enough. Listen what they're going to give you
to do this. I'm not joking.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'm almost I'm ready to quit.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
My job Comprehensive Health, Dental and Vision.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
And you could see the best job in town, you guys, I.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Don't have that. A seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh my god, this is amazing. Paid housing.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Okay, chameleon, where did you come?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Daily per diem for food and essentials?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
And wait for it, all the coffee you can drink.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
That is amazing. Have you ever heard of Chamelion coffee before?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
No, it's Austin, Texas based.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
But like, oh my god, all you.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Have to do is be twenty one, have a clean
driving record, and have some content creator experience.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Oh my god, I have a little.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I mean, this job sounds I feel like the fact
that they listed just two events would be suspect, Like
you're probably going to some of the smaller state by
state localities, but you know whatever, I feel like the
fact that you're getting paid for that. See, that sounds
like a good addition to your resume.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Go.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I drive around nowhere, like you know, I don't have
to go to the cool festivals I'll go to your
mom's house.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I'll go anywhere you tell me to go.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Paying me.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I get health insurance and all the coffee I can drink.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
That's incredible.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah, that does sound amazing.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
So you're basically this job? Is it like a brand ambassador?
Where you go and you're like promoting this particular.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, and do you know how you promote it?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Derek?
Speaker 5 (10:58):
By drinks in front of you drinking it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
By drinking again, just.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Strike up conversation with people. Oh you know, how's it going? Oh?
Speaker 7 (11:06):
Let me just hold this cup really close to your
face and then take a sip.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Yummy, job done. Job that does sound.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Pretty great, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Where were these jobs when I was twenty and so
broke in Manhattan that I jumped subway turnstyle?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like, where was this job?
Speaker 7 (11:28):
Well, you wouldn't have qualified at that time because you
need to be twenty one.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Apparently that's true. Well, I was twenty one when I graduated.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, I was twenty Okay, and I think I had
a clean driving record. Yeah, I had a clean driving
record because I never drove. Okay, here's here's a bit,
a bit of a bummer. But I think we can
move past him pretty quick.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
So we're escalating. We're on the up.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, I thought we were.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
We're going to end on the up. This is just
a little, a little dip. But I feel like we're
gonna We're gonna be able. We're gonna have an argument
with this exciting and we're gonna win. Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Someone who identifies as an integrated lifestyle coach on social
media already suspect has issued the following command. A person
named Luke Katino says coffee is not breakfast.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You have to have water first, then.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Breakfast, then coffee to be the healthiest. Apparently having coffee
first can spike your cortisol levels.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Also, he is not a medical.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Doctor, let's just say this first.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
He also very rudely says that sugar or syrup in
your coffee is not coffee, it's dessert.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Which is also against I mean, I think we can
dismiss that.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
I definitely drink water first, but I drink coffee second.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Absolutely, breakfast doesn't come.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Close, and sometimes in place of breakfast.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, I know this doesn't really exist, but coffee.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Can we normalize coffee as the meal? Can we normalize
that totally?
Speaker 7 (12:56):
So just to be clear, so this person is claiming
that you first need water, then food, then some kind
of food, then coffee.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yeah, crazy, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Is it just that, like it doesn't absorb into anything?
Is there like a medical.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Decentem dive the science of them?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Because I dissed it immediately.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It's not even worth it.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yeah, you don't even need to deep dive because it's
just in the trash already scarfage.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
But I do think anyone who wakes up and doesn't
first take one sip of water.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Might be a little man.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I also wake up with water because I take a
whole bunch of bills.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It's morning, a large gulf of water. So I do
drink water cleans.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Your bedtime mouth before you get that first beautiful taste
of coffee.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I mean, that's true, true, it's true.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm not against that.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, but I want my coffee pretty much right away,
pretty much, absolutely, absolutely, and definitely before food.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I can't even think about food.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Say, we talked about Brazil earlier. The word breakfast in
Portuguese in Brazil is cafe de mallel, which is more
eating coffee wrapping knowledge. Yeah, so it's like boom, breakfast
and coffee go together. Like dissassination in Brazil.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
That makes so much now that you shared that fun fact.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, so we're dismissing this. We're not going to get
bummed about it because I don't believe all that is
crazy talk. Okay, I will leave you.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I do have positive coffee news for you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Boulder, Colorado coffee shops are joining together to offer something
called hanging coffees.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
It's not a euphemism for weed. It's coffees.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Shops are installing hanging coffee walls, which allow paying customers
to prepay for coffees and treats for homeless people and
other people in need. So there's a wall of like
coupons that other people have paid for, and if you
need one, you grab a coupon off the wall for
say a cup of coffee, and you bring it to
the front, and it's paid for.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Isn't that so nice? I love that Genius's genius?
Speaker 6 (15:06):
Where is this taking place? Colorado?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Boulder, Colorado?
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Nice?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
And all the coffee shops are sort of like coming together.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To do this so cute as a community, which is
so nice.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
But I love this idea, and.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You know how, sometimes I don't know if this is
like a Boston thing. But like I grew up, if
a cop was behind you, you bought their coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh that's just that's what you do. I don't know
if that's everywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
You see it in the in the drive through, you
do it too, Like you can get the person behind
you the cops coffee.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But I'm always looking to buy someone's coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Who needs coffee because I'm a coffee and evangelist and
bring you coffee, I understand, but like I.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Want to buy you a cup of coffee.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
When I was working in Philly, you guys, remember I
was working in Philly for a bit, and there was
always a gentleman who hung out outside a cafe that
I went to to grab my my salad every lunch.
And he was a lovely man and I always said hi,
and I would most days come out with a cup
of coffee for him.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Assuming he wanted one.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I didn't even ask.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I just assumed you'll want a cup of coffee. Did
he receive it? And he was always very grateful. But
if there were a system in a shop to be like,
can I buy five coffees?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, just put them upon the wall, I so do that.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Yeah, that's very sweet way to go Boulder.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know it's it's twofold because it's not just
about coffee. If you want to come in from the
cold and you have nowhere to go, a lot of
places require you to buy.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Something to sit there and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, this way you can come in from the cold
and sit down somewhere and enjoy a cup of coffee
or or a treat or a snack that someone has
prepaid for, and stay as long as you need. I
love that these are creative solutions to endemic problems.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
Yeah, that's very sweet, very clever.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yay, I might tell my local coffee shop.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
I know we should spread the word.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
There's so many coffee shops, they can all work together
exactly right.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Maybe all Maybe I'll what is it, flagpole?
Speaker 6 (17:10):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Then raise it up the flagpole?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Well, yeah, talk to your security friend, Yes, raise the
Duncan flag.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'll say, I got an idea for you.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Just have your duncan friend let you in and build
this wall yourself. And then the next day the manager
opens up the door and it's like, oh, the the
Duncan fairy came last night.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
I guess we have a new tradition.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I love that you're imagining my guys like with keys.
This guy is like ahead of morprint like security, Like
he doesn't have the keys to head.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
He doesn't.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
I also like a huge key ring.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Every key of everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I love how we're picturing him with the big janitor keys.
I'm gonna let you into the big building, Essie.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You go do what you gotta do in there.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, that's the reason the news that's fit to sip
for this talking coffee.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Okay, ready to ready to have another sip?
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Love it? That filled me up?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Ah well, Lauren, good luck getting back to real coffee.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
I hope that happened. Thank you, thank you. Thanks, tomorrow's
my day. It's gonna happen here.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Digestive fingers, crossed fingers, all right, thanks, thanksense. Off the
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