Anitta: 6 Ways to Heal Your Inner Child & Let Go of Past Trauma

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Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place you
come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. I'm so
grateful that you've chosen to listen in today and I'm
so excited because I get to sit down with someone
that I've been dming and messaging for some time now,
and finally we made it happen. Since breaking through in Brazil,
Grammy nominated Global Superstar, Anita has become the leading artist

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of a new generation of Latin American music. Anita's single
Evolver became the biggest solo debut by a Brazilian artist
in the history of the Spotify Global Chart and broke
Anita's record by reaching number one on iTunes in nineteen countries.
Anita released her album Versions of Me in April twenty

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twenty two, and went on to earn the highly coveted
Best New Artist Grammy nomination for the sixty fifth Grammy
Awards in twenty twenty three. The album now has surpassed
one billion streams on Spotify. Anita is the first Brazilian
artist with thirty five million monthly listeners on Spotify history
and the Brazilian female artist with the most charting songs

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in Hot one hundred history. Anita's newest album is What's
to Come From, a highly anticipated forthcoming album, Funk Generation,
which was released April twenty sixth, please give an on Purpose.
Welcome to Anita. Anita, I'm so grateful and honor to
have you here.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm so happy to be here, genuinely glad. Finally, yes, thank.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You, thank you. When we were messaging, I got so
happy because you messaged me back, going, oh my god,
I'm sorry I missed this message, Like, yeah, it was
so sweet and kind of you, and I was like,
you're Anita, like how are you? You know? And it
was it was so so gracious of you and it
was beautiful to interact with you in that way. Thank
you for being so what's the right word, like just
so casual and andy.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Very like that. I like to, you know, I like
to be simple and everything. So yeah, when I saw
your message, it was like, oh how could I miss this?
I love this so much, So I'm really happy to
be here.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Well, thank you so much. I want to dive straight in.
It is now. I'm just it is three thirty pm.
You're going on stage tonight at nine pm. Yes, I
want everyone to know, Anita, no one has ever come
this early to on Purpose, and it was forty five
minutes early. And she has a show this evening and
she's not asking to rush away. What does a show

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day look for you? Like when I watch you on stage,
You're bold, You're powerful, you you're so energetic. Your performances
are so emphatic, Like, how do you prepare You're going
on stage tonight? How do you prepare for that? From
now till then?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I think it's too Anita's for everything. A few
years ago and nowadays, I think before I used to
just do so many things at the same time, and
it was just this rush to conquer things, and I
wanted to reach every opportunity to do everything, and it

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was very like it was a lot for me, you know,
it was too much. Nowadays, when it's a concert day,
I like to just enjoy the day, wake up, meditate,
listen to some mantras, or do a massage or something
that I know that is gonna put me in a
good vibe to exchange energy with the people, you know.

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So nowadays I have this thing in my mind that
I wanted to be a great experience. In the beginning,
I used to go on stage just thinking about the
result that later where I'm gonna get from it. I wouldn't.
I wasn't just thinking about the present. Moment of exchanging
energy with those people, and nowadays I do so for me,

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it's really important for me to get to this place
with a good circle of white light around me. You know.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And you said you meditate. What kind of practice is that.
You said you do some montras? What does that look
like for you?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So I have a big circle of people that help me.
I have a shaman, a woman that does constellation, a
woman that does it's called a I don't know how
to say that in English, but let me try to
English size the word. It's called a radionic table. It's

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like you put some crystals and stones and you do
like a cleanson in your in your aura or something
like that. So I have these different people and I
dream a lot, so every time I wake up, I
know what's about to come. For example, yesterday I woke
up feeling this crazy excitement because in the afternoon I

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did a Condalini session acting Invasion of Condelini and this
lady from Brazil, her name is Sais, and she doesn't online.
I do it in person too, but she does it online.
And it's crazy because your body just moves and it's
just it's it's so special. So I woke up yesterday

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feeling like I was going to explode. It felt like
my body was going to do it was so powerful,
and I heard I woke up with this song in
my mind that I didn't know exactly where I heard
a song before, and I was just singing. I was like,
I think it wasn't a yoga class. So I called

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my yoga teacher and I said, Yo, have you played
a song for me that goes like this? I sang
for her and she goes yes. So she sent me
the link and the name was Heart Chakra. That meant
so much to me because I woke up feeling like
my heart was going to explode, and when I had
this song, that was the name. So yesterday that's what

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I did. I was saying this song I did a
yoga It was so special. Today I woke up different.
I don't know. I had some bad dreams because when
I believe when we dream our soul they travel to
different places, right, and sometimes it can be not as
good place. So I woke up feeling weird and then

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I called this lady that does this family constellation with me,
so I said, I feel weird and she was like, okay,
sit down, let's meditate together. So she guides me and
she opens this energetic circle and five minutes, ten minutes later,
I was already feeling amazing again, and I was like, Oh,

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it's so different when you are. You have discipline and
focus on keeping your frequency high, and every time I
feel like it's not as high, I do something immediately
to make it better. So for me to go on
the concert, I need to be feeling on my highest

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you know.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, thank you for sharing that with us. And I
love that so much because I feel that, you know,
if you're out of milk at home, you go and
buy milk, or if you're out of bread, you go
and buy some bread. And I think sometimes we overthink
when we're out of inspiration, or we're out of alignment,
or we're out of the higher frequency and we're feeling

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a lower frequency. We don't realize that all we have
to do is reconnect yeah or plug in again, yes,
and that simply brings it back. And I think we
overthink and we think, oh, gosh, I'm not worthy of it,
or I'm not good enough, or I lost it or
it's left me now, and we don't realize that it
is something that we can recultivate and rebuild and regrow into.

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And so I love hearing that today you were yesterday
you woke up feeling like this explosive energy, and today
you woke up not feeling that. And that's kind of
how something we can all relate to. I feel like
we all experience that.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
And usually when we wake up not feeling that amazing first,
maybe from things from the subconscious or something like that,
we're stuck in there and we don't know what to
do and we don't feel like doing things. And that's
what happens when we go on the lower frequency. We
are aligned with and I believe in other spirits and

(09:24):
things like that, we are aligned with other spirits and
energies that want you to stay there. So of course
you're not going to have the strength to go there,
you know, but it's important to keep it and to
do it just for the discipline. And then and then
you're going to start elevating. Elevating elevating and exercises that
can seem idiots idiotics. But it's not like one Michelman

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when I told her, she was like, okay, so you
open your arms, you do a circle, And I was
like doing all these exercises, put in my arms up,
breathing doing it. When I was done, I was like, wow,
life is great again. And it just takes you a
little bit of discipline to understand that it's in your power.

(10:09):
And sometimes we like to play victims, saying like oh
a victim, like some person did this and that. To me,
I feel bad because that person did this, that person
did that, And no, you have the power to feel good.
It doesn't matter what the other people do or the
energy people throw at you. All of that is real

(10:29):
and exists. But if you're aligned with yourself, nothing that
the people do or throw it at you can reach
you because you are powerful in control of your all
of your own circle of energy. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah, absolutely, well, for whatever it's worth. I can honestly
say that from the moment you walked in and we interacted,
I was like, this energy is good. So for whatever
it's worth, it's working.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
It's not the same here. It's such a good.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Energy here, thank you, but it's I definitely felt that.
As soon as we met and we started talking, I
was like, oh wow, this is I was so uplifted
immediately through your space. So whatever is whatever's happening, it's working,
woke me through what is What are some of the
things that you still find do bring energy down for people?
Or do bring our frequency and vibration down? Like? What
is it for you? That kind of feels that way.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
I think comparation to be compared with others, it's one
of the I think the most the most important thing
right now that makes everybody go, you know, down, because
we have the Internet in our in our hands and
we're there. It was made to connect us, but we're

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not connected at all anymore. Instead of connecting, we're just
falling apart and spreading ourselves like and just becoming judgmental
and everything. And I just think when we look at
other people's pages, Instagram, talk, whatever, instead of just getting

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an inspiration or like feeling happy for something, you start
comparing and thinking, why I don't have this, I should
have that, My life should be like this I should
do And then you never get to be yourself because
you're so consumed consumed by other people's lives and choices,
and then you think you need to be this, or

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then you see another part, No I need to be that,
and then you say, oh, no, I should be doing
this and never you can get with yourself and be like,
what do I really want to be? What do I
really want to do? And depending on all the other
people that I know or that I follow, you know,
and when we compare each other, we are not being
fair to us to them because we are born in

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different statles, different countries, different body shapes. Society has so
many rules to follow. Even with all the present this racism,
the opportunities are not the same. So you cannot compare
somebody that is born in a country that doesn't have
as much opportunities structure with a person that was born

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in the place that has fifty times more. It's super unfair.
There's no balance. So when you put yourself in this
unfair situation, I feel like your inner child gets mad
at you. It's like preparent comparing two brothers were a
sister and a brother that were born in different times,

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different situations. They are not the same gender there, and
then imagine your parent doing that to a kid. That's
what you were doing to your inner child. And then
you feel sad, you feel frustrated, and your mind starts
because our mind works on the purpose of not letting
us suffer, right so when you start comparing, your mind

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starts creating this anxiety to think about for you to
not suffer. So for me, if I'm comparing myself with
that person, what's the solution. I should do this and
this and that so I can get close to with
And for me, it's it's too much. And I used
to be like that. I used to compare myself the
whole time with other singers, and then I decided to

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come out of Brazil, something that nobody was doing in Brazil.
We speak Portuguese, not Spanish. I was learning Spanish, learning
the culture, learning English. So why I was comparing myself
to people outside or to people in Brazil that they
were not even leaving Brazil I was. I was putting

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effort in something that, of course I would need to
step a little bit behind, leave Brazil a little bit.
So of course I cannot compare with the people in
Brazil because they are not putting. They are putting one
hundred percent of the time. I'm putting fifty because the
other fifty I'm here studying, learning other things. And I
cannot compare with the people that speak Spanish or English

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because they are in Spanish or English they're not in
Brazil fifty percent of the time coming back to Brazil
to give this and have I had this, always comparing,
always comparing, and nowadays I just feel like, wow, I
was so I was so mean to myself. You know,

(15:27):
it's not fair to do this to you, you know,
not even not even about the things that we can see,
which is like nationality or physical type, but also family karmas,
family traumas, you know, past lives, so many things that

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we cannot even know how hard it is for me
or for you. It's just different.

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said absolutely. I think you're so right there. Instead of connecting,
we're comparing and we get lost in that trap and
it feels like a prison. Yeah, and you kind of
keep going around around in a loop. I mean, speaking
of comparing, you were saying that a few years ago,
before an event, you would have been like doing so
many things and doing all this, and now you're like, well,
wait a minute, actually I want to meditate. I want
to do this.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
What changed into when my song went number one in
the world. I worked so hard for that. I was
the first Latina, first female Latin singer to have a
solo song number one in the world. And it was
just like I was everywhere. Everyone was listening to the song,
everyone was dancing to it. And then I got sick.

(17:18):
I got super sick. And usually when I talk about that,
people go like, but what was it what? And we
don't know. I just couldn't walk upstairs at my house.
I was super tired, I was super I wasn't strong,
I couldn't breathe. Well, it was so many things, and
then my bladder had issues, and then I did a
blood test and it was like a lot of cancer indicators.

(17:41):
It was just a lot of things that was at
the same time nothing, but it was. It was so crazy.
And then I tried everything, stayed in the hospital for
so many months and just seeing all this success, and
I was not happy at all. I was just in
this internal fight with my duality, because I believe we

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all we all have this duality which is our ego
with our soul, you know. And then I met this
shaman that she does this method called pregnancy map. She
gets all the informations from your mother's pregnancy when you
were inside of her, and then she understands the kind

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that the way your brain works, the way your how
your soul, your inner child suffered, what are your fears,
your traumas, your karmas. And then I went to her
retreat for five days, no cell phone, no no power,
no light, nothing, just nature, a lot of therapy, a

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lot of crystals, a lot of like rituals that are
actually like meditation three times a day. And then to eat,
we wouldn't eat with knife and fork. It was with
the hands to feel what we were eating, the food
that was planted there, and we could be part of it,
thinking about how this food was done, the whole process

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until it gets to our mouths and everything. So I
was there and this whole time, right, she tells you
like things that you want to give up leave and
things that you want to bring to you, and I
was just, you know, when you're so focused on what

(19:36):
people were saying are what people were expecting from you,
that you don't listen to yourself. I was kind of
like that, and I was writing like I talked too much.
I'm very like outspoking. I'm I just I'm always with

(19:57):
different guys. I talked too much too much. I'm very
like extravagant. I moved my hands too much. I did.
You know when you just look at what people say
about you and you just want to be less, I
want to I want to talk less. I want to
be less too much. So I read all those things

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and then what I want. I want to be balanced,
I want to be calm, I want to be patient.
Because my brother is very much like that, and my mom.
It's fun because nowadays me, my brother, my dad, my mom,
we all went on this journey together and my family too,
so they all do sessions of Cundalini with me family constellations.

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It's so good. But my brother was more of like
a calm patient to like my mom, and I was
very much like my dad party as they they divorced
when I was one year one year old. My mom
used to be more connected, and it was hard for

(21:01):
me to understand when I was a kid, and nowadays
I super understand. But it's not about nowadays, it's about
when you were a child. She used to have this
connection with my dad, with my brother more and I
had more with my dad, but he was out. We
didn't live at the same house, so that was very

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painful to me as a kid. So I wanted to
be like my brother, and I didn't understand that the
fact that we are different is the special You know
me as a kid, of course, and then I put
all those things and I was so confused. And the
character Anita and me as a person is so different,

(21:43):
because I think when the artist is an actor, it's
easy for the audience to see the actor acting and understand, oh,
that's a character, and I don't know how this actor
is in life. For singers different because they see you
doing that on stage or speaking in interviews. And they think, oh,

(22:04):
that's the person, right. They don't understand that that's also
a character that you made to protect yourself, that that's
your public character, but your real person is really different.
Most of the times. For me, it was really hard
and I was like, yeah, this Anita has nothing to
do with me. I used to be Jill. I used

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to be there very like mean to me. Again. In
the end of the process, my brother went with me
because I was like, I'm going to this place that
I have no idea what it is. I need somebody
to come with me because what if it's dangerous. It
was not. It was great, but in the middle of it,
in the end of it, my brother was like, oh,
I'm so happy it came in. My brother didn't believe

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in any of these things, right, And I was like,
I looked at him and I was disgusted. I felt
discussed because she does a lot of like spiritual it's
kind of like, let's say reiki, but it's not it's
more deeper than that. And I looked at him and

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I was like, I'm disgusting. And then she came to
me and we were going to leave, and she said,
how do you feel? And I said, awful. I think
I wasted my time. I was feeling this dark energy
inside of me was so bad. And she said, okay,

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lay down, let's talk. They lay down and she put
her hands here on me. And then when she did that,
and we don't take anything there, right, No drugs, no,
not micro dozing, nothing, there's just meditation, that's it. And
me as a kid, I showed up in front of

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me this girl just when my eyes closed, you know,
and it happens inside of you. And she was looking
at me like this, and I looked at her and
I was like, please stay here. There's a demon here,
there's a demon standing these dark entergy around us. We

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need to protect ourselves. And she was just looking at
me like this, and I was like, yes, stay here,
stay here, and she said, now, it's not a demon.
The little me, the little me like that, it's not
a demon. You wanted to be less talkative, less this,

(24:37):
less that, less jumper, less because I must less expressive.
I am not less. I am more. So if you
want to be less, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna let
you here alone. And whoa no no no no no
no no no no, You're perfect You're perfect the way

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you are. And I was just hugging, like, you are perfect, please,
Oh my god, you're perfect, and she was like, okay,
are you gonna accept that. I like to jump, I
like to dance, I like to talk cloud, I like
to call tension because I'm amazing. You felt lonely and
I survived. I'm a genius, I'm smart, I'm talented, and

(25:21):
you're not looking at it. They want me to be less,
and I was like, oh, I want you to be
everything you can be. Please, oh god, oh my god,
Oh my god, oh my god. And uh, Since that
day and then when we make pieces with each other,
since that day, I know how to go there, close

(25:42):
my eyes, talk to my inner child and understand what's
wrong and huger and say and ask why we're not happy?
Why what's happening?

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Why are we mad?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Why are we feeling? And she's and then she tells me,
and then I'm like, okay, let's get it done. As
adults that we are, you know, and sometimes we don't
realize that our inner child can be so hurt that
start doing things that we don't like. And sometimes we

(26:16):
ask ourselves, why do I behave like that? Why I'm
so mad or why I'm so childish sometimes, and it's
because of that, and we need to learn how to connect.
And then after that, I just started prioritizing different things,
you know. I started to prioritize my peace, my time,

(26:38):
take care of me, because I think people congratulate you
a lot about your professional accomplishments. Oh you're doing great,
you're doing good, You're doing great, and then you just
feel like you need that to be somebody. Yeah, you

(26:59):
need that to be somebody, and you don't need I
watched the movie these Days, and I love watching movies
that put me on a good frequency. I watched a
movie these Days called Becoming Nobody. I have to watch that.
It was really good, Becoming Nobody, and I was I
woke up like some months ago, I woke up feeling

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and I watched this movie and I came back to
my frequency right away, because you know, there are tools
that can help you, it's a song or a movie.
And I was so there was this emptiness inside of
me that I felt like I could fulfill it with
success awards, streams, algorithms and these days. A friend of

(27:45):
mine from Brazil that she was like very poor very like.
She used to struggle a lot in life, and then
a few years ago she got everything she wanted, money, everything, success,
And she texted me, these days and I have my
friends know that I'm very spiritual nowadays, and so they
always text me for something. What can I do? I

(28:08):
feel it's so it's funny and I feel glad. She said,
I feel like I was happier when I had nothing,
And I told her, I think it's because when we
have nothing, we have something to blame. So we say, oh,
I'm not happy because I don't have the house. I'm
not happy because I don't have money. I'm not happy

(28:30):
because I'm not successful. So we just be like, Okay,
it's because I don't have that, let's keep going. Yeah.
But when you have it and then you're still not happy,
there's nobody else to blame but yourself. Wow, And then
you feel bad because you're like, Wow, I have everything
and I'm not happy. What's going on? What I'm still

(28:52):
looking for? You know, I got all the awards I wanted,
I got all the streams, I got this, I got it,
and now I still feel that it's missing something. Yeah,
but it's not it's because we were doing these things
not because we were feeling good or enjoying the journey.

(29:13):
It's because we've thought that the result was going to
fulfill us on something that just we can do for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, well said, that's really powerful. I've never heard it
put like that, that difference between when you didn't have anything,
you had something to blame, whereas when you have everything,
you don't have anything to blame. And that is so
interesting because I think people will say, like, oh, money
doesn't buy happiness or words don't buy happiness, and it's like, sure,

(29:41):
that makes sense, But the real thing is because we
haven't yet figured out what does give our life meaning,
what does give us a sense of connection? And I
guess that's what's giving you confidence now in your career
at this stage, Yeah, to shift and create music from
a place of I'm gonna be bold, i'm gonna be authentic,
I'm gonna be myself, not going to care about because
I think at one point you were saying, I was

(30:02):
reading your amazing on a for you in Variety and
congratulations on that it was incredible to see and I
was reading you were talking about how you know, at
one point you did get really attached and addicted to
all those things as you do, as things are growing
and things are going ahead, and you said, well, now
I actually don't feel that way I want to do.
You think that's just a natural effect of having achieved

(30:25):
so much, and then you think to yourself, Okay, now
I want to do something more meaningful.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
No, I don't think so, because I know a lot
of people that they still feel that they need more.
They still feel that it's because they are falling, you know,
so they still feel like they need more. They want more.
So they want a bigger house, a bigger car, a
bigger this, more this, more that, And they are not

(30:50):
understanding what's the point, you know, they feel like And
I think it's because nowadays, the streaming, the algorithms, the internet,
it's just crazy how people operate nowadays. It doesn't matter
if you have the biggest success for five years, if
nowadays you're not selling as much. If nowadays you're not

(31:11):
number one anymore, and you people got used to see
you number one many times or top ten many times.
Now you're not even going to top fifty. They're gonna
start saying, wow, this person dead dead. And I hate
this behavior of the industry to be like, oh no,
not hot anymore. This person is hot. Now that person

(31:32):
not hot. So that means whatever this person did for
these five years, I don't know, it doesn't matter because
now this person is not hot anymore. Oh cheezy, oh
bad eugh, don't associate with this person. This person dad.
But if tomorrow this person has a success, oh no,
it's super cool. Come on. And that was driving me

(31:55):
so crazy, and I just understood we were depending on
these people's approval to see if we had value or not.
And I did not want to be dependent on that.
You know, it feels like you are in the people's hands,
and I don't want that. And I feel like we

(32:16):
are only successful and happy if we know that if
I lose everything, if I'm not number one, number ten,
number one hundred, number three hundred, I'm still going to
be happy. If yes, then great. If no, then you
need to stop everything that you're doing and start working
on yourself to make sure even if you lose everything,

(32:39):
you're still happy, because then you're going to make good decisions.
So I only when I started to go on this
journey of understanding myself and understanding that I was doing
things just because I was so empty inside and I
felt like I was not good enough. I needed more
people's approval, people love where it was like a drug.

(33:00):
Success is like a drug if you don't understand. It's
like part of life. So when I understood that, I
was like, I'm just gonna do the type of music
that I feel like if I get ten plays, if
I have ten million or one hundred, I don't care.
I want to feel good. I want to feel happy. Also,

(33:22):
I feel like everyone has their moment. God gives us
the moment for us to enjoy this amazing and then
we go to the next to evolve on something else.
We did what we need to hear. Oh great, you
killed it, got all the awards, all the success. Let's
go to another thing. No, we get addicted because the

(33:45):
people in this environment, if you're not there anymore, they're
gonna say, ugh, this person, nah, Dad, not good. And
then you pay attention to that and you're like, no,
I can't lose this. So you keep doing all the
things that you were already tired of doing. It doesn't
give you the same pleasure anymore, but you keep doing

(34:05):
it just so people don't say you've failed. So I
was like, you know what, I do not care. Everyone
can tell me I failed. Oh my gosh, she used
to be a success. Now nobody cares. I care. That's
all that matters to me. I don't care if nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You know, I love hearing that there's a beautiful zen
saying that you're reminding me of this zen saying says
that letting go is hard, but holding on is harder.
And all of our pain is coming because we're holding
on to who we were, holding on to who we wish.
We were holding on to what people used to love,

(34:46):
holding on to what people validated, what people approved, and
we're holding on to that and not realizing that universe,
the God energy is trying to gently take us away,
but our holding on is what's making it so aggressive
and painful. And that's when you know, if you're holding
on to anything really, really tight and it's being taken away,

(35:07):
it's gonna hurt you. And I think that's what we
will go through. We don't want to gracefully accept growth,
and so we sometimes get aggressively pushed out and pushed
through it.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yes, it's because I think society has taught us that
we need to always be growing. But when they say growing,
it's not inside, it's outside. So your house cannot be
the same house in ten years. You have to be
moved to a bigger one, a better one. Your job

(35:39):
cannot be the same job, even if you're happy. No, no, no,
you got to be bigger. But nature is one thing
we come here and we have. If we see how
animals behave right, they go to a tree. The bird
goes there, eat what's necessary for him and leaves. The
human goes there and gets what's necessary for him. And

(36:02):
let me get more, just to have, just to see
that I have more, just to show people that I
have more. But then you're not even you don't need it,
you don't need it. But the way society taught us
that we need more, we need to be every day
bigger and bigger. Then if you go a little smaller

(36:24):
in this area to go bigger in another area that
people are not seeing, that doesn't it's not the same value.
You know. I chose now in my life to I understood.
I went so big and it was so good. I'm
down to keep going. And if it goes bigger, it's cool.
If it doesn't, it's super cool. Too. I'm happy to

(36:45):
sing to the amount of people that I'm singing now,
or if it becomes less because I'm a little less crazy,
it's fine to me too, because I want to grow
in something else. It's so good when you do. When
I do my spiritual things, so happy, I feel like
nothing could give me this happiness. It doesn't end, it's

(37:06):
it just goes and it goes, that goes bigger, and
it's unfinishable, you know, And it doesn't give you anxiety.
It just gets better, better, better, And I'm like, I'm
super down to be less successful here and make more money.
Would less not more money, make like less money to

(37:27):
get big on this other side, which is inside.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. I always find that material
language is big and better, bigger and better, and then
spiritual language is deeper and more impactful, and and that
depth is I think what sounds like you're searching after
with Was this the same time that you were suffering
with like endometriosis? Yes, was this like the hormony? Change that?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
And then it was more and then I found out
that was there that, and then it was my bladder,
and then it was it was so many things. And
when I came out. I came out of the retreat
the cancer levels and my blood was not there anymore.
I didn't have anything. It was just getting better. And
now I feel like I'm in control. I do feel

(38:15):
like emotional when we hold on to emotional emotional traumas
and things like that, it can get physical, you know.
And when I do like family constellations for example, if
people don't they never heard of it, please search because
it's so good. When I do that, I feel sometimes
pain in somewhere while we're doing the session. I feel like, oh,

(38:38):
my bladder or my heart or my stomach. And then
when it's when it's over, I feel like, oo, I cleaned.
It's better, you know. So I do feel like it
can become physical for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
What would the biggest traumas that have stayed with you,
that have come up for you that you feel you've
carried because you obviously grew up in the favelas, you
grew up not in the easiest of circumstances. I think
you mentioned yourself that you're almost treated like trash in
Brazilian people in the first so long and so like,
tell me about what are the traumas you felt you've

(39:12):
held onto from your childhood that now coming up that
you're healing now.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
So there's this one interesting situation in the path of
this healing thing. There was this one thought that was
always coming to my mind. Right I was here being anita.
I have three different houses, I have everything I need. Okay,
if I want to retire right now, I can and
I will live comfortably for the rest of my life.

(39:38):
But all of a sudden, I was just here minding
my business, and I thought would come to my mind.
What if I get pregnant and I lose all my
money and I don't have money to survive, and then
I need to work in the street to get food
to my babies and to and I'll be like, why
am I thinking this? Why am I doing that? Why?

(40:01):
And then I did this session with my shaman, and
she said, this is not your thought. You got this
thought the same way we get DNA from our parents,
and like the hair, the eyes, the body, we can
get from thoughts and the energy behaviors and we don't
realize that. So I told her, oh, for real, And

(40:26):
then we did a session to clean this right, to
remove this from me because it's not mine. It comes
from my family. So I did the session and I
talked to my mom. I said, Mom, have you ever
had this thought of like that you were going to
lose everything, We're not gonna have money, this and that.
And that was like right before my birthday of thirty
years old birthday. So she said, yeah, when I got

(40:52):
pregnant from you, your dad lost his job and I
felt like we were not going to have money to
feed you guys, and I would need to work in
houses as like a housemaid or something to buy food.
And I was like, wow, that makes she spent the

(41:12):
whole pregnancy with this fear of not having the money
to feed us, so she was fearing it. And there
is like I produced a movie with a friend of
mine called Me, and it talks about this the thoughts,
the negative thoughts that your mom cares and the pregnancy
becomes neuropeptides in your in your brain, so that's why

(41:38):
you have these thoughts. And I was like wow, mom.
And I did the session with the lady and I
got I never had this thought again. And then I
was doing my birthday. It was thirty years old, so special,
and I had this place that I wanted to do
in Brazil and for some reason, every place I was

(42:00):
trying it was not available. I was trying everywhere, all
not available because of this not available. Because of that,
I closed one place. No not avaiable anymore. So there's
just this one place, just this one spot. And I said, okay,
let's go. What can we do. It's the only spot.
Let's let's go. So I sent my dad the invitation.

(42:21):
Said to my dad, I said, oh, Dad, the party
this year is going to be here. He was like,
oh my god, daughter, this address is my dad didn't
know about the talk I had, so my mom nothing
right and he's my best friend, but I didn't mention him.
He goes, oh my god, daughter, this address used to

(42:45):
be the company's address that I got fired when your
mom was pregnant. And I was like, I'm dad, Wow,
Like we're here celebrating my thirty years old with a
party like full of everything that we were always afraid
of not having and the same address. That's crazy where

(43:06):
in life? That for me was such an answer from
the universe, right, And I was like, Wow, this is
so meaningful and life is full of these these situations
that from me are not coincidents at all.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, that's that's incredible. It is that's really powerful, and
I love that full circle moment. I agree and I
love I mean the movie that you made is that out?
Where can we watch that?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Me? The name is me? My friend of mine, the
one introduced me to this shaman. She did it, and
then she called she asked me to help her producing
it and sharing with the platforms and everything. So I
was helping her on this final touch of the movie.

(43:51):
And it talks about this about how you can get
heritage from your parents, not only in your blood physical,
but all also mental and calmas that come from your mom,
from your grandmother, from because it comes from father to daughter,
you know. And it's important to clean it, to work

(44:14):
on it, because otherwise we're here with no purpose. We're
not we get We spend all this time here and
we don't figure out what's your purpose? What are you
here for? You know? And I always had in my
life this desire to understand. And when I was a kid,
I was very like that already. I used to dream

(44:37):
a lot of about a lot of things. My mom
tells me that I used to wake up and see people,
and I was always very connected. I used to tell
them everything that was going to happen in my life,
every visions everything. I used to tell them, like, Oh,
I'm going to sing here, I'm going to do this,

(44:57):
our house is going to be like this, like this.
I used to give them details of everything. And my dad,
who was always very stressed with work, and he tells
me that I used to come to him and say, Dad,
don't worry. In the end, everything's going to be great.
You will see you're so smart, you're so cute, you're

(45:20):
so nice. In the end, you will see you're not
gonna worry about any of this. I'm going to be
a singer. I'm going to do this and that. And
it's so fun when he tells me, because I was
actually describing so precisily with precisely what was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, I mean, you've it sounds like you've made so
much spiritual investment in transforming your mind, your heart, your energy,
your space. And at the same time you've also made
physical changes, like I was learning that you also were
on birth control and then you left birth control, and
I feel like even those types of changes, yes, were

(45:56):
linked to this kind of internal change that was going
on right like walk me through how life has been
different when you were on birth control and when you
left like and woke us through that decision.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I just feel like it's not natural. It was not natural,
you know, and I was just and it's not fair
if you stop to think why just the woman needs
to suffer about this situation. You know, it needs to
be a two people decision and prevention and care. But
with hormones, it was crazy because I couldn't be It

(46:31):
was just never life was never like this. It was
like crazy to me and I don't get along. My
body doesn't receive this well, you know. And when I
started to accept to go into more of a natural life.
Also in my nutrition, I try to eat vegan and

(46:52):
a lot of moments not one hundred percent. I made
it for two years and then wow it got Yeah,
it was really good. I hope I can get again
in the future. But the more I can, I think
if everyone cuts at least thirty percent, thirty percent, you
can still eat, but just thirty percent less of animals,

(47:17):
food and everything. It's already so good for the world,
you know, and also for our energy. I understand it's hard,
it's delicious. I couldn't I made it two years and
I'm back, but just thirty percent less everyone. If we
all get together in this decision, it's already a big

(47:38):
shift for the universe. You know. That's what I believe.
And it changed a lot to me when I started
a care and give more attention and priority to this
side of life, because before I was just worried about
being more successful, richer, make more money. And what it
was crazy was that I wanted to make more money,

(48:01):
be more successful, but I had no idea how much
money it had. I didn't check my bank accounts and
I was just making to make it. I didn't even know. Nowadays,
I'm more chill, but I know. I check my stuff,
I take care of it. But I'm like, okay, I
can chill. I don't need a bigger house, I don't

(48:22):
need a two different cars. I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
You know, how is the birth control negatively affecting you
hormonially or.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Hair loss? And then the skin goes crazy, and then
the mood goes crazy, and then you get very depressed
in a moment and then very happy and then very angry,
and that it's rolla culture. It's a roller culture. And
I just didn't want that and then and also your energy.

(48:55):
When it gets close to the period, you have no energy.
I just wanted to sleep all day. It was just
so bad, And now I'm just stable.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I'm always saying you feel that different.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I can feel totally the difference. But it took for
me more than a year to get clean from birth control,
more than a year for me to stop feeling the
side effects.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
And it's interesting what you said about that joint responsibility
of prevention between two people, but it all falls on moment.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, it's two people deciding something right. It shouldn't be
just the women's responsibility. And I feel like if it
was the men getting pregnant, it would be very different,
very different. The laws would be different, the birth controls
would be different, everything would be very different.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
And I think people don't realize these side effects that
you're explaining right now. I feel like it's so common
for women to be on birth control, but people don't realize,
like how many other negative impacts it's having in life,
whether it's mood performance, yes, And.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I think also in the future, maybe when you're older,
you're going to feel more. And before I had I
had a cobra IUD and it was so bad for
my youthirs so bad. It was just a lot of blood,
and it's worse for the endometriosities. It was a whole thing.
So nowadays I just use condom. They exist. They exist

(50:25):
for a reason, you know. I pray God, I talk
to the universe. I planned with the universe. When it's
the time, I use the condom and let's go, no,
no kid today. I just I just I can feel it,
and uh, I think the universe when you plant it
and when you communicate. I communicate with the universe so much.

(50:47):
I say, okay, so I want to do this, this
and that, and then you can send me the person
that I believe that it's a good person to be
the father, be the father of my kids, and then
or the mother, and then I will be ready to
do it. But I want this answer for me to
start this. I need the answer the universe to give

(51:08):
me that. So I always talk. I write a lot
what I want. I checked the eclipses the moon, and
I write according to that. And then I feel like
all of this are like natural, safe rituals that you
can do that can only do good for you, you know.

(51:28):
And I like to take baths, baths of plants, roses
where different plants that are good for different I love
the indigenous thoughts that that they have and the way
the plants can cure everything, and also the energy. So
I use that a lot on me. I do my

(51:50):
own my own stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
That's incredible. I love it. And you've talked a lot
about the difference between your authentic self Larissa, and then
any I want to know what are the differences in
your mind now as you've been it seems like you've
been aligning yourself, Like, what are the differences now?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yes, So every time I do family constellations. I don't
know if you know exactly how this process goes.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I know a little bit, But tell us like this.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
You get a therapist that is the professional. She opens
a circle of energy and then there's a lot of
people there. Right, they know nothing about your life, nothing
about your going there to treat, So you just tell them.
You decide the theme so you can say, oh, I
want to treat today, I want to treat my anxiety,
or I want to treat depression or whatever. So I'm

(52:40):
give an example. There was this day I said today
I want to treat self love and then it comes
for me. Right. So, and if you go there and
you want to treat whatever these people, this ten people
there are there, they're gonna get in their bodies the

(53:01):
energy of the people from your family that caused you
this trauma in your body in that precise moment. So
let's say you have anxiety and then you say you
sit there and say, oh, I have anxiety. These people
one person is gonna receive your dad's energy. It's not

(53:23):
that he's going to receive the spirit because your dad
is alive, your mom is alive, everyone is alive. But
they get the energy and they start telling you where
this moment of trauma was done designed draw like written,
you know. So let's suppose it's because when you were

(53:44):
ten years old, your parents divorced and they were not together.
They were fighting a lot. So they are gonna talk
as if it was in that moment, and then the
therapist will propose like a solution, which is like making
peas with each other, understanding that's the best for your
kid is to for you guys to understand the kid

(54:05):
is half of each one. And then you get together
and you're just one, right, and you're good. So I
did it many times. So with this consolation, you understand
the importance of valuing your dad and your mom or
not buying the fight of choosing one side because you

(54:27):
are fifty percent of each one of that. I'm fifty
percent my dad, I'm fifty percent my mom. I cannot
decide who wins the fight of their divortion because they
are older, they are adults. I am just a kid
that are not the responsible for that, And I need
to understand and be grateful that they together did me.

(54:49):
And if I start, if I choose a part, I'm
gonna be saying bye to fifty percent of myself. So
I'm never gonna be happy. I need to be grateful.
So that's basically what happens in the constellation. So when
I do my constellation, it's not only one person that
represents me is too when person always comes with Anita's

(55:11):
energy and the other was Ladissa energy, and Anita is
very like a superhero. Let's suppose if Ladisa was like
a kid insecure and afraid of being judged, afraid of
not being loved, if she draws superhero, that's Anita, the

(55:33):
one that goes there talk to people. Nothing bad happens
to me. I'm the best, I'm the greatest. I do
whatever I want, And that's how it came to life.
And when I was becoming a singer, I put this
character in real life. The problem is that I was
working so much to fulfill my emptiness, and when I

(55:57):
was working, I was Anita that I started to leave.
I was just that and not value what I was
Esla Lisa because it was insecure, a regular human that
has regular feelings, that can be said, that can be hurt,
that can be all of that. So that was when

(56:18):
my balance went, like this, and it's bad. The other
fifty percent cannot be cannot feel like you're a shit show.
You know, it doesn't matter if you have another one
that comes out and say I am amazing. The other
fifty percent needs to believe that because the other fifty

(56:38):
percent was the one that created this one. You know
for sure, it's the creature and the creator both are amazing.
So I needed to accept and see qualities in both
of it and let Anita is just like this crazy
girl comes there and also comes from a place of

(57:02):
I was assaulted when I was a teenager, and I
had to speak about it because I was afraid of
someone in Brazil that apparently found out I don't know how,
and I was I didn't want my my seek, my
deep secret to be spread, not by me, so I

(57:23):
needed to talk about it. And after that happened when
I was a teenager, I felt like if I was
like this, no guy would have would have done that
to me. So I created Anita from this moment of
pain and sadness. Right because of that, I cannot feel

(57:46):
like Letty says, less you know, I'm just a human
that has the same insecurities and fears, and and the
feel the feeling like half of me had of Anita
that oh yeah, that's only good thing that was making
me really bad. And I also think that maybe that's

(58:09):
why me as a character Anita was just talking so
much about sex, about I do this. Sometimes I wasn't
even doing shit. I wasn't even doing not even ten
percent of what I was saying. But I needed to
carry the person or not that persona was really important
and that that hurt me my other side for because

(58:33):
we feel like, come on, I'm not doing that's not real,
that's not real. Why am I doing this? And sometimes
that would push me away from relationships that I really
wanted to have, and I just and at the same time,
this battle would never let me get interested on anybody

(58:54):
because I was always feeling It's like a subconscious thing.
I would always feel like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get hurt.
So I would never be interested on anybody, or I
would be for three months and then I'll be like, eh, next,
next battle, next challenge. And that's not healthy. Yeah, you
know it's different.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Did you believe in right person, wrong time at the
time and now you have?

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I believe in that. I believe that when things are
supposed to happen, they're gonna happen, no matter when. It
can be now, it can be later, it can come back.
So I don't believe. I think that's more it. But
I also believe that the things that society put in

(59:39):
our head can mess up relations, all types of relations
for us. For example, I'm a singer, I'm successful, I
have my money. It's Sarah. It's Sarah. If I decide
tomorrow to date a regular guy that I met in
a bar at a bar, people will be like, oh,

(01:00:03):
that's all she could get. Oh my god, Anita with
this nobody. Ugh. If it's a man, a successful singer,
rich guy meeting a girl in the street that works
in a store or works in a bar or whatever.
They'll be like, so nice, did you see Oh my god,

(01:00:26):
he met a grocer, was a bartender. Oh my god,
and he valued her so much. Oh so nice. Is
so sweet? What a great man. But if it's a famous, successful,
rich woman, oh my god, that's all she could get
a bartender. Ugh sucks. Oh no, real man value her.

(01:00:48):
It's kind of like you need a man on your
level or more to decide if you're valuable or not.
So I think with society and also like for a man,
if you were with a woman more successful than you,
they were like, oh my god, you see the woman
is so much more. And then if it's not this

(01:01:10):
guy's self esteem. So I think it's ying and yang
situation that the society is not understanding that women can
women can be ying or yeah or you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And I think that mess up with a lot of
good opportunities of people getting together because of society's statements.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeah, that's I mean, that's a really really interesting point.
And I think there's so many versions of that. Like
I've met people that are like, oh, well, I can't
date that person because if I date someone outside of
my community, then people will say, oh, he doesn't date
people in our community, or vice versa. And I feel
like there's so many versions of that and the gender

(01:01:55):
breakdown you just shared. I think it sadly is true,
and that's why we can't live up try to live
up to society's expectations exactly, We're always going to give away,
throw away, amazing life opportunities. Yes, I know, someone was
saying to me they can't do a movie because people
wouldn't want to see them with a certain person. And
so people are giving up huge career opportunities for themselves

(01:02:17):
because they're worried about what people will think or what
people will say. And I mean talking about that you
recently paid homage to Native Brazilian religions in your new
music video. Yeah, and you know, which is deeply important
to you, and you have this, I think elegant way
of balancing your beliefs and even today I think we

(01:02:38):
can see what a spiritual individual you are. But not
everyone was happy about that. I think it was like
someone like two hundred thousand people decided to not follow
you anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Now it's three hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
That's three hundred thousand, right, Like, walk me through why
it was important to you to pay homage to those traditions,
why they were so important to you, and then how
do you respond and react to the feeling of three
hundred thousand people? Now you said, so, I already knew
that was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Going to happen, because people are very The intolerance of
people of their beliefs and different beliefs is so it's crazy,
it's crazy people don't accept from In my opinion, religions
are it's like veins that go to a heart. They

(01:03:24):
just are in different spots, but they get to the
same place to be a better human, to evolve that
what's religion is to me? And I believe in all
of them. You can see I go to the Shanti
Shahman to the church with my mother and then my
Yoruba religion. So my mom is very Catholic. My dad,

(01:03:48):
my dad's family brings with him the Yoruba religion. Right
that this religion comes from heritages of souls. Right. Religion
was originally in Africa and when the slaves were kidnapped

(01:04:09):
by from their countries to be brought to America South America.
They of course had their beliefs and religions, but they
were very bad punished if they were exercising their religions
in Brazil or whatever. So they would kidnap the slaves,

(01:04:32):
bring to Brazil and tell them, now you're Catholic, we
don't care and you cannot exercise your religion here. And
if they did, punishment killing, not only punishment in Brazil
in two Nowadays people get into the temples Tereiros, the

(01:04:52):
temples of Yoruba, to break and kill in the name
of Jesus. I honestly don't believe Jesus. I believe in
Jesus so much and God everything, but I don't believe
Jesus would come to anybody such a bride soul would say,
if you see somebody doing that, kill this person. I can't.

(01:05:15):
I don't believe in that. I think Jesus for me
is forgiven. Forgiveness is love, is understanding each other's moment
and how the speed of each one to evolve. Right,
it's harder for one's, easier for others. It's faster for

(01:05:36):
ones for others, it's not. I believe Jesus and all
the angels and all the odishas they're all ready when
a soul asks for forgiveness and for help. I believe
they're always ready to help. So I don't believe there
is a God or Jesus that punishes some for not

(01:06:01):
following the rule. I don't believe in that. And my
religion believes in the forces of nature yorubam in Brazil
is called condomble. We believe in there are entities of
different like the waterfall, the fire, the river, the forest,

(01:06:24):
the rain, the sea, so that's what we believe. The
sea yeamans from the sea. The fire is Yansa, the
waterfalls zoshume, the forest is Osha sea. So we believe
in these things and the nature energies because of the
fact that a lot of people can impersonate or feel

(01:06:46):
the energy and their bodies. They say it's the demon,
but you can't just say things without going there and
searching for real getting closed and understanding. Okay, let me
see what is this? And I feel like when I
in my religion and I follow it. Since I'm a kid,
because of my dad, I never felt bad. I always

(01:07:06):
felt like this piece and I can't believe the evil
force can just make you feel like so connected to
God and so good, you know, and avoiding things that
are not good for you. You know. When we're there,

(01:07:27):
we cannot drink alcohol, We cannot you know, it's it's clean,
it's beautiful. We don't believe in the devil. We don't
believe there is a devil. There is a demon. We
believe in humans that can get to a very very
low frequency, a very dark place where their souls and
then they can become evil and mean. So I don't

(01:07:49):
want to pass the responsibility. I don't want to just say, oh,
there is the devil, and the devil is gonna make
me be mean. No, we're all humans and we have
the we have the dark side inside of us, and
if we let it go, we're gonna become that. We
cannot find another another person to blame. Oh no, I

(01:08:10):
did that because the devil. No, you let's take responsibility,
you know. And so I don't believe my religion. We
don't believe there is the demon and God. There is God.
There is like beautiful light spirits, but there is like
people souls that can get to a dark place, and
it's our responsibility to decide if we want to go there,

(01:08:33):
or if we want to go there, not because we
are scared of the law and the justice of a
punishing God. Because we want to be good. I want
to be good because I want to feel good. I
want to be a good person, not because I'm scared
if I die. Oh my god, they're gonna come and
kill me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
No, you know, yeah, And it's it seems like that
because you knew that you simply trying to share and
express your values and your beliefs and your homage, and
you were already disconnected from the fact that people may
have a negative viewpoint towards it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yes, I didn't. I actually did not care because I
think whoever wants to follow Nowadays, I chose this, whoever
wants to follow me follows me. If it's ten people,
if it's a million, amazing, I'll be happy with ten.
I will be happy with a million. I don't care.
But I just felt like in Brazil it's so much prejudice.

(01:09:33):
I feel like I like to speak up about a
lot of things in my country, not only my country,
but whatever. I feel like I have knowledge enough to
speak of, I do it. Or I started studying and
then after some months years. I'm going to speak about
it when I feel like I know enough. It has
to be a reason why we get famous, or we

(01:09:57):
get recognized, or we get people to follow, so us
we have to use it for something. I can't think like, Okay,
God gave me sixty five million people to be looking
at what I'm doing, and I'm just gonna tell them
by this, buy that, use this, use that, and make

(01:10:17):
money and be rich. I can't. I feel like I
need to give back good things for people to have
the same tools that I have to be better humans,
to be good, and if they feel like they struggle
in something, I want to If I have the power
or the knowledge to send something good, I want to

(01:10:37):
do it. So I always felt this mission, this responsibility
in me, and I don't judge who don't. I feel
like each person has your own nose. But because when
you do this, that's what happens. You lose people, you
get criticized, and some people cannot take it. And I
understand that, so I don't judge. I can take it

(01:10:59):
because I don't. If what damn, I couldn't care less.
So I do it because I feel like a lot
of people are in need of these things because I
know how much my religion helped me when I was struggling,
when I feel like I didn't want to live life
anymore because it was not interesting, because I was not lovable.

(01:11:19):
I know how much the religion taught me that I
am part of the nature. I belong to this. So
I want more people to feel that if you want
to feel great, if you don't, it's okay, you can
do you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Know, yeah, yeah, It's one of the things I've been
thinking about lately is when you get into the top
one percent of any industry or any place, you get
a lot of one percent experiences. So some of those
are these really tough experiences of lots of people disagreeing
with you, lots of people may not like what you're doing,

(01:11:56):
the choices that you make. And then at the same time,
which is what you happen happen do you recently? You
recently joined Madonna on a tour and did this most
historic event of I think one point six million people,
Like I think that's the largest ever audience at a concert,
And it's almost like you go from having this experience
of you know, having hundreds of thousands of people unfollow

(01:12:17):
you to then having these moments where you're a part
of history. I mean, what did that feel like? What
was that experience? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
It was great. In Brazil, they do these concerts in
Copacabana Beach. I did once. It was but it was
New Year's Eve, so it was five million people. Oh okay,
you've done a No, but it's because it was New
Year's Eve. Come on, Madonna, was it was there? No,
it was her. She was the event was and she
got a million and six hundred thousand people. It was crazy.

(01:12:47):
But a lot of people in Brazil do that in
New Year's Eve at the beach and it's amazing. But
also her concert had a lot of conservatives saying like,
oh my god, this is so oh the devil, the
ugh like she was a woman that a dedicated her

(01:13:10):
life to fight for people for their sexualities, for the
LGBTQ community, for women to be free to feel pleasure
because just men could feel pleasure, and she fought for
that and you have to be really brave to face
and in that time when she started, it was crazy

(01:13:31):
cops coming to her concert and all the things that
she faced too, because she knew she was bringing acceptance
to people that wanted to come out, that wanted to
be proud of being gay, that wanted to be proud
of being lesbian, of having feeling pleasure as a woman.

(01:13:52):
So to me, that was really important. That was a
woman celebrating, like with a million gays, a million and
something gays at the beach that they were free to
be gays. That was amazing, you know, not only gays,
but I mean families accepting gays, lesbians, trends. It was

(01:14:16):
so important. But a lot of conservatives were like, oh,
this is the devil, this is this is that. And
I just feel like we have the choice of doing
whatever we want, and we don't need to judge our
We're not judges of anything. Before judging another person, we
got to see our own situations. So I just don't

(01:14:40):
feel if you don't want to do it, you can
just go do your thing and let people do what
they want. You know, we're not judges here. We're all
souls looking for evolution. And I was so happy that
she she invited me. I also fight for so many
things that I've believe in my country, you know, and

(01:15:01):
I and I try to help as much as I
can nowadays, mostly indigenous and indigenous causes, because the way
politicians are killing the Amazon, it's crazy. The way they're
just not giving damn to the to the Amazon, to
the environment, it's insane. So I like to fight for
that because nature has no voice. Indigeners are not on

(01:15:26):
social media, they're not influencers. They're there. There are very
good influencers, but still don't have voices that have Indigenous origins.
So I like to do my best. And I was
just so happy to be there. I was so happy
that she invited me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
How did you invite? How did you reach out? How
did that come around?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
We had a song together on her album some years ago,
a funk song on her album, and uh, then when
she came to Brazil, the first thing she said, okay,
we got to do this, and I actually couldn't. And
then I was like moving so many things around so
I could be there. It was so important. And she

(01:16:06):
also invited Pablo Guitar, which is a drag queen, very good,
great singer of Brazil, very successful, famous drag queen of Brazil.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
That's amazing. I mean, you know when I'm speaking to
you today and I think when you look at someone
like yourself. It's very easy to forget the challenges and
the hardships that someone's had on the way up. You know,
when you see someone successful, I think a lot of
the time we even if we knew them on the
way up, we start believing people were an overnight success.

(01:16:36):
And that's when you were saying earlier that you know,
then we start to write people off, we find the
next person whatever. But you've talked a lot about, you know,
even like looking at it from a forward thinking perspective,
you talked about just challenges you had with your record
label and then finding the right label, Like, could you
walk us through some of the key challenges you've had
in even breaking out, because I think the odds of

(01:16:59):
someone like yourself from the Villas who does this is
so rare and difficult, and you know, I mean, I
don't know what the odds are, but I'm guessing it's like,
you know, one in whatever, walk us through some of
those key challenges that you think you've had to break
through on the way up, not now, but the ones
that you've had on that journey. And maybe the record

(01:17:20):
label one is a good one to start with.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
I think, No, I think the first one was in
my country because I come from the favelas, from the ghetto,
from the communities, and the rhythm that we do there's funk,
which would be like the hip hop in the nineties
here in the US. People getting arrested for doing it,
people suffering a lot of prejudice. So that was the

(01:17:43):
first one that I was like, Wow, people don't want
me in restaurants, people don't want me in magazines, people
don't want me anywhere. They think I'm the shit show
because I come from this environment, you know, from this
that's my origin. So that was like the first one
for me to fight against that. And just like I
couldn't even like find a management. I was my own

(01:18:07):
manager for so many years, you know, I just I
would be the one going to the brands trying to
convince them to support me, or to the radios to
negotiate my songs. Yeah, yes, me and my brother to
negotiate like concerts and everything like that. It was just
me and my brother for so many years. And then

(01:18:30):
after that, I think like coming out and convincing label,
coming out of Brazil, convincing label team everybody that this
could be something, you know, because the last time we
had a successful artist was fifty years ago with tom
Jo being with a girl from Ipanema and Venicos de

(01:18:54):
Maris and a woman. It was in the with Carme
and Miranda. So they were like, no, that doesn't that
doesn't happen Brazilians. No, because when you say like a
Latin singer, Brazil is a Latin country, but we speak Portuguese,
so it's very different. There is another barrier because we

(01:19:17):
speak Portuguese not Spanish. So the songs that go on
in a Spanish market don't happen in Brazil. Whatever happens
in Brazil don't happen in a Spanish market. So for
me to convince the label or the team, my own team,
my own brother, that this would work was really hard.

(01:19:38):
He was like, wow, you finally when we broke the
presidents here, you want to go to another thing. We
didn't even take time to rest. But again my amptiness
was like, no, where are you gonna get it? Where
you gonna conquer the world? And I just wanted to.
I like to try new things. I like to challenge myself.

(01:20:01):
You know, I get bored very easily, you know, not
only of men. Now he's going to finish for God's sake,
and I was changing. That's changing thanks to Jesus, thanks
to the spiritual journey. There's also it right because people
think women when it's when a woman doesn't have a

(01:20:22):
relationship for many years because a man didn't want it.
No babies, because I didn't want it. Let's see what
happens from that one. But it was a big challenge,
and my brother was always like, oh my god, okay,
let's go. He would go just to be with me,
to protect me. But nobody else they would just be like,

(01:20:43):
I am not going with this girl. She's crazy, you know.
And I would put my own money. I would just do,
you know, just from what I believe and go for it.
I just think the difference was that before I was
very anxious and pressured and nervous about it, and always
like with this feeling of like, no, I need to
get it, I need to get it. Nowadays, I'm like,

(01:21:06):
it's okay, whatever happens happens. But this was a big one.
And now with and then and then It's funny because
when I started to like bring people from a Spanish
market to Brazil and then come out with my stuff
to outside and things started to go right and go well.
Then everyone wants to figure out how to do it.

(01:21:28):
Everyone wants to do it too, and I'm like okay,
and then two nowadays, like my album was, it's not
an easy album to put out. It's a funk, a
Brazilian funk album. People don't do Brazilian funk. There's no
playlist to add my songs because it's not it's not
in Portuguese, so the Brazilian funk playlist it's not in Portuguese.

(01:21:51):
Here outside, there's no playlist of Front of Funk in English,
in Spanish neither. So basically doing like something. Let's see
if everyone joins this crazy. I'm sure they will, Let's
see what happens. The only reason I could put this
album out now is because I was super sick. I

(01:22:12):
thought I was going to die, remember, and I was like,
you know what I'm gonna because I've been trying to
did this album for so long, but everyone was always like, no,
it's it's a fail. This album has no place to
put and you see the Okay, this is country, this
is pop, this is your album. There's nothing where it

(01:22:33):
is going to be. Is just going to hang around
and It took me a very like spiritual place of
detachment to be like, Okay, I'm gonna put out whatever
happens happens. So I was sick. I thought I was
going to die. I was like, I'm just gonna do
an album where I like an album that I would
do if I didn't care about any of these things
because I'm dying, so whatever. So I did this album

(01:22:57):
exactly like that, and it just got bad. You got better,
didn't die, and the album was out. And it's funny
because still has a lot of like challenges with this
album because it doesn't have a place to sit. But
I honestly don't care. I'm so proud. I love the album.

(01:23:17):
I can't stop listening to it. And most of my
albums I would do to try to get streams and
I wouldn't listen to it, but this, I'm like so
proud of it. I don't like touring because it's so
for me. It's such a struggle to be flying from
place to place with no home, being in hotels. I

(01:23:38):
carry it back just of like cleansing to the hotels
I get there. I have a sage, I have candles,
I put mantras in the rooms very loud and be like,
oh clean this Jesus, come clean this beadroom, pass bad
put spraise. But for me, it's like a big pressure
to be flying from city to city. I called all

(01:23:58):
my priests and shamans and I was like, help me
in the store because now I love this album so much,
and I'm like, I want to do a tour because
I like dancing to this album. I like singing it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
So we're doing it and tomorrow tonight is my second,
my third concert from the store and I'm doing good.
But I told them help me here because I need
all this spiritual connection for me to not go crazy
because it's a lot of hotels, jumping from place to place.
You know, it's not healthy mentally. It's important the routine

(01:24:32):
and to have like grounding core it's important. So for me,
I'm like, Okay, I I need support, spiritual support. But
I love this album so much that I was like,
I'm gonna do it because I have so much fun
on stage doing it. If I'm singing for two thousand people,
three thousand people, or forty or fifty, it's the same.

(01:24:57):
I just feel really happy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
I know you talked about the chat nge of changing
record labels, and you talked about this pain point of
just like I think at one point you said like
you would literally give all your organs away if you know,
if you could get out of it, walk us through
those kind of decisions, because I feel like if you're
not in the music industry, we don't actually understand what's
controlling what and how things interlink, and we don't know

(01:25:21):
what artists are going through. So from that perspective, if
you could tell us about that transition.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
So about record label I just think I do think
nowadays that I wasn't that mature on the way I
did it. But maybe if I didn't do that way,
I wasn't be in the position that I am right now.
So we would never know it is what it is.
I will never be like, oh oh my god, I'd
never regret things, because I think things happen for a reason.
It's just I really think the way things happen and

(01:25:50):
business should change a little bit, you know, because when
we are when we were chasing something, we don't know
what's there, right, so we just we go through deals
and situations not knowing what's the reality when we get there.

(01:26:13):
And that's a very tricky point because if I'm on
this side and I know what's the reality, why would
I do something to the person that I know is
going to be there and it's going to be different,
you know. So I just think business in general, not
only labels, but yes, labels, to the investments, the things.

(01:26:36):
I don't know if it's because I'm more of a
business person than just the artists. I don't feel like
I have the perfect voice or the best dance or
the I think I have a little bit of everything,
and then I get there. You know, it's a combo.
I just think the investments and the thing. It should
be more clear so we understand why they do some

(01:27:00):
type of things and why you should do some type
of things. But sometimes in all the business, all the industry,
and then it's not only about record labels, people come
here and they say yeah, yeah, let's do it, and
they leave and they're like, uh, forget it, and this
should not be like that. Things should be And for me,

(01:27:23):
things are very I like real stuff, real talk. You
sit down on me, I will tell you. The problem
is Papa, Papa, da da da da, And I expect
you to say, okay, so the problem here is da
da da da da da da da da da da.
And I'll be like, okay, how we get disorted. We
do this, we do da da cool. Cool, we both

(01:27:45):
do it. But sometimes most of the times it's not.
I sit and I and I'm never gonna change. So
I just sit down and I'm like, here's the problem. Papa,
pa pa, pa pa. That doesn't mean I don't like you,
doesn't that doesn't mean you're not a good person. That
means we have this problem. And nowadays, me and my
brother we work together for so many years, so when

(01:28:05):
we have issues in a company, we have a company together.
We have crazy fights. Let's go to the movies.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Let's and we go.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Because we love each other, we can discussata. Whatever I
said is what's gonna happen. Whatever he said is what's
gonna happen. Bah bah bah boom. And we have the
ability of still looking at each other's face and be like,
I appreciate, I love you. Let's go do whatever. But
people have a very hard time on doing that, and

(01:28:38):
I don't. I will never understand why, but that's how
things work. They just talk here, I talk my real shita.
They talk whatever is necessary for you to shut up,
and then you go home and you see that it
worked for nothing, for no reason. You spent two hours

(01:28:59):
of life that you could have been sleeping, taking a nap, literally,
And then people have this. But I think it's in
all industries. I don't think it's only in record labels.
I don't think it's only in music. I think it's everywhere.
People in work have a very hard time on sitting
down and being like the problem for you is this?

(01:29:22):
For me is this, let's do this, yeah, and then
do what they actually agreed. It's so for me it's
I don't know. Maybe I would never get to understand
the way business run. That's why I go slow, you know,
with my hard times.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
But I go, that's brilliant. I love hearing that, and
I can see just I want everyone who's listening, if
you're not watching, when I'm sitting with you, I I
it's so resonant to me that it's such a peaceful
place with that, and what I think is really beautiful
and special. I was in Bhutan recently this year, and
Bhutan's known for measuring gross national happiness, not GDP, so

(01:30:05):
they measure happiness then they have spiritual tradition and it's
landlocked between India and China. It's a tiny country, but
they have this incredible heart of spirituality that runs through
everything they do. And the king famously said they measure
GNH gross National happiness. So I was visiting there this

(01:30:25):
year and I met a filmmaker there. His name was Poo,
very wonderful gentleman, very very talented, and he, with a
very small budget for a movie, made a movie that
got Oscar nominated. But Bhutan wasn't even on the list
of countries to have an Oscar nomination. But because of him,

(01:30:46):
now the movie got you know, the Bhutan is now
on the list. And I often think about that with cultures, traditions,
genres that we don't know about yet, that there aren't
a Grammy award for that, aren't you know? Like you're
saying like there isn't a place for Brazilian funk, Like
what playlist does that go on? But I think that's

(01:31:07):
what the world is looking for right now, this opportunity
to be introduced. I'm always looking for discovering new I
was I was talking about records. I really got into
collecting records, and I was traveling and I really got
into Brazilian jazz lately, and I never knew about Brazilian
jazz growing up, and if it wasn't for the ability
to bump into something, and so I actually think what

(01:31:27):
you're doing for music, for the audio library, for people
to have these experiences is really cool and powerful because
just like Pow who's trying to tell the story of
Bhutan that you, like you asked, where is that, a
lot of people don't know where Bhutan is and they
don't know what it is. But because of power, now
they can watch his movies and understand Bhutan. And similarly

(01:31:47):
with you, someone who may not know about Brazilian funk
is now going to have the opportunity to understand what
that is and what that feels like. And you think
about that, like someone had to be first, whether it
was hip hop.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Yes, whether it were but it's always going to be
harder for the first boys. It's good. It's always gonna
be harder the first.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
And uh, even nowadays with funk in Brazil, it was
not playing the radios, it was not the events, couldn't
play funk. It was very hard. It could only listen
to it in the favelas, inside of the communities, so
it was a big, big fight. Nowadays people forget it,
but at that time me my brother that we worked

(01:32:27):
hard for it to happen. We remember very well because
we know the struggle. But I actually used to care
a lot if people remembered or not. Nowadays I just
don't care. I just want to have a good time.
I just want to be happy, because before I was
doing it, but I wanted the credibility of people saying

(01:32:48):
that I was the one who did it and that.
There was a time my therapist, which is my schaman,
she said, so why are you doing I was like, oh,
because you know, I want to change people's lives. And
she was like, oh, so why do you care if
people acknowledge if it was you or not. If they
change the life, that's it. That's what you wanted. And

(01:33:09):
then I was thinking, I was like, what an ego trip?
That I was right because I would say it was
for the people, but I was very worried with the
people if the people were saying it was me. So
in the end of the day, if it's for the people,
we should not care if people are acknowledging or not.
If it was you or not. So right now, I'm

(01:33:30):
in this place of like, and and I think that's
what it took, it would take for me to be
in this spiritual place of like, to do this album
or to do whatever I want to do, to be
on a place of like, not care about the response,
just do what makes me happy at the moment, you know.

(01:33:50):
And I'm like very much like that now. And I
understand that could be less successful. Maybe not number one,
maybe not number fifty, but I could careless because inside
I feel way better than when I was number one,
so much happier.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
I'm so happy for you. I feel that for you. Know,
what a beautiful place to be in, Anita. You have
been a joy to talk to. Honestly, I've enjoyed so
much sharing energy with you, exchanging energy with you. I
feel I feel uplifted, inspired, I feel connected, And I
think everyone who's listening and watching will have felt that

(01:34:28):
from your presence and your words. And you know the
wisdom that you shared as well. I think you've You've
mentioned in your own words Certatimes, so many times I
think you've been underestimated. People only perceive someone for the
character they play or from one dimension, and my genuine
hope and intention is that this interview will just showcase
the multifaceted, multi dimensional individual that you are. And I

(01:34:51):
love the way you're able to be playful and profound
all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
I think people, that's what I want from people now
in my life and my career. I want people to
understand that we need to find a balance. We are
in the material world, so we cannot be just spiritual.
We need to eat, we need to you know, we
need to work so we can have house to live in.
So we just need to find the balance. So I

(01:35:15):
do make music, to shake your ass, to have fun,
to jump, let's have sex, da da da. But it's
also important to come back and have the other side too.
So we can never be happy if we only go
into one side. The other side is always going to
feel like, oh but it didn't look at me. We
need to have the balance, the perfect balance. That's why

(01:35:38):
we are in a material world. To understand that the
balance in between these two things. To be able to
walk around here and not let these things make you
feel like heavy and life is only material, or just
not only walk around here and forget the other side. Exists.
You know, we're here in the middle, and that's the

(01:35:59):
most important thing to be in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Absolutely absolutely, Well said. We end every on purpose interview
with a final five. So these questions have to be
answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay, and
so these are your final five, Anita. Question number one,
what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
I think it's that I'm in control. I comment, what
people do, they comment, how you react and receive you comment?

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
Well said. What is the worst advice you've ever heard
or received?

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
Never give up?

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Oh I hate this. Never give up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
It's okay to give up.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
My god, it's so okay to give up. If you're struggling,
give up, take a nap, rest, do something. Then you
come back when you're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Well said, all right. Question over three, what's the first
thing you do in the morning and the last thing
you do every night?

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Oh, it's the same. I have this book five minutes
a day. I wake up, I write what three things
I want for the day. If they think three things
I'm grateful for and affirmations at night, same page, how
three things I was amazing on the day and what
I learned today?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I love that question before. What's something you've learned recently?

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
I learned this very important thing. When a person don't
ask you for help, don't help. If the person asks
you help, don't help someone that didn't ask for the help.
If she didn't ask, she doesn't want or he Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
It's unsolicited.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Sometimes we try because we are buying someone's struggle. Oh
and this person can feel offended. This for the energy
and the family constellation. We learned that when you help
a person that is not asking for your help is
like you buying this karma. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, I'm going to go off peace slightly because you
inspired a question of me. How has spirituality changed your
view of dating and relationships romantic relationships, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Feel like it's like a dance nowadays. Before I used
to feel like relationships with what I was reading outside,
seeing outside from others. And nowadays spirituality taught me that
the relationship that you have with yourself is going to

(01:38:47):
be the mirror for the relationship that you have with
the other. So nowadays I work and myself a lot,
so I can have a relationship with somebody, and when
I find somebody that is not having a good relationship
with himself. It doesn't I understand. I already know that

(01:39:07):
it's not gonna work, and I don't insist. I let
the person know I am here, I'm working on myself,
and you're here for us to have a good, healthy, soft, easy,
nice thing and grow together inside. If no, then it's
not you know, but I used to think of relationship

(01:39:30):
one a very different way, very different way that the
person needed to add me and all the things that
people outside ask, Oh, how what does he do? D
does he DODDA da da? How is the family? What
if you have kids? And howa days? I just see inside.
Do you treat yourself very well? If yes, then let's go,

(01:39:51):
because I treat myself very well too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I love that. Fifth and final question. We asked this
to every guest who's ever been on the show. If
you could create one law that everyone in the world
had to follow, what would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
I would create a limit of money that each person
can have. Wow, that's it, that's what you can have. Now.
The more you have, you're going to pass to the nature.
You don't need to pass. I understand the money comes
for those who work out, work hard, but an effort.

(01:40:30):
But after some here you don't need more. No one
needs that much. You need to share. If you want
to build a school, cool, if you want to protect
the Amazon cool, if you want whatever no one needs.

(01:40:51):
I'm talking about necessity. No one needs billions, billions, no more,
No nobody needs than this necessity.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
It's not there, Anita, phenomenal answer, fantastic interview. Thank you
so much. It has been such a joy. It's been
wonderful being with you. I hope that everyone has been
listening and watching. Let me and I need to know
what resonated with you. I know you guys, cut up
the best clips for TikTok and Instagram and make sure
you tag both of us so that we can see

(01:41:21):
what stayed with you, what connected with you, what meant
something to you. I'm sure that there were so many
insights and so many points of wisdom that I need
to shared today that have left a mark on you.
And I can't wait to see what has stayed with you. Anita,
Thank you so much again. Pleasure, such a joy, I love,
so grateful and yeah, thank you for sharing this time
with me. Thank you, thank you. If this is the

(01:41:43):
year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to
build more. I need you to listen to this episode
with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most
creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead to success,
and the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If
you're trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick
Rubin's episode is the one for you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
of the value. That's the success comes when you say
I like this enough for other people to see it.

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