Big Sean: 5 Ways to Get Unstuck From Where You Are Now (Simple Strategies to Eliminate Endless Hours of Work)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death.
So what you're gonna do with the time you got left?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Big Time Brand nominee Big Shan.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
One of the biggest blessings is going through a time
where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or
whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that
you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different,
something greater.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh boy? The number one health and wellness podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Jay Setty Jay Shetty. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,
the place you come to become a happier, healthier and
more healed. Three things that are so important to the
human condition. Today's guest is on for not the first,

(00:55):
not the second, but a third time special. One of
your favorite guests, one of your favorite interactions. We both
hear about it all the time. I'm talking about my
dear friend and incredible artist, Big Sean, Grammy nominated rapper songwriter,
friend of the podcast, and now a first time author.

(01:15):
His new book is called Go Higher, The Five Practices
for Purpose, Success and Inner Piece, which combines his insights
on self care with actionable Tools, set to release in
January twenty twenty five. Now, despite his achievements, he has
been open about his struggles with anxiety and depression, turning

(01:37):
to spiritual practices to find balance. Through his music and
now he's writing Big Sean inspires others to overcome their
own challenges and reach their fullest potential. Please welcome my
dear friend, someone that I believe is so inspiring, deeply insightful, philosophical,
a guide, the teacher and leader, Big.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Sean man other. Thank you for having me. You know.
First of all, I just got to say, j though,
I'm so proud.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Of you man, even since our first interview, Like, of
course you did you spark the idea of me writing
a book, But I'm not making it about me.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
You've interviewed the President. Man, You've like you have gone
to the moon and back. There was a part of
the book where I said, like the mental health space,
and you know, like that that space is dominated by
a certain crowd. Bro, you are dominating this space, and
I just got to say it's it's deeper than that.
It's wellness, it's all of it. And I just got

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to say I'm super proud of you, man, like, very
very proud of you. I know, like where you come from,
I know your journey, I know how you grew up,
you know, I know the household you came from. And
I just got to say, man, I'm very proud of you,
and I see, I see like so much for you,
and you're still so young and you still so have

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so much to offer.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
So thank you so much, man, oh man.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Is mutual, And honestly, it was people like yourself who
came on the show so early and trusted the space
opened up and made it a safe space for so
many that followed you as well. And so I have
to give you a lot of credit back because you
came on the show when it was so much smaller,
we were starting out. But it was people like yourself

(03:20):
who trusted me, trusted the space, and were able to
create it.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
And look at this, Come.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
On, yeah, that's rather He's genius. She's super smart when
it comes to figuring out how to help people. But no,
I'm so proud of you for putting this book together
because when I met you, I noticed very quickly that
you were already a philosopher, and that was rare. Most
people live life and then gain wisdom. And you, through

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your mother, through your own learnings, through your own curiosity,
had so much insight and wisdom when we met. And
I remember mentioning like, oh one day and the fact
that we're sitting here with the book.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And a h yeah, yeah, yeah, going it's.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Pretty special and you reminding people to go higher is
so powerful. But let's dive in because I'm sure you
were gonna say something.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I was just saying like, yeah, you really gave me
the confidence.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
As soon as the cameras cut off, you were like, yo,
you got to write a book, you know, And I
was like, wow, I didn't write it for any like
vanity purpose. I didn't write it for like a oh
it's that time for me to write a book. I
literally wrote it because it was pouring out of me
really essentially, you know what I mean. And it was like,
there are so many people who like trying to figure

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out how to get to how to just maneuver through life.
And I've dealt with my like ups and downs and
maneuver through things. So it's just like sharing always can
help somebody. You never know how you're impacting somebody. How
you can change somebody's whole trajectory. You know, I was
lucky enough to have these like guardian angels in the

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form of like my mom, or the form of my
family members, or in a form of friends or you know,
The Alchemist. The book The Alchemist really taught me to
pay attention to the omens you know what I'm saying,
so through a song coming on through any any aspect
of my life. And it was just like, you know,
it was a true pleasure to be able to just

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put like what has worked for me in a way
that can people could come back to it, that people
could apply it to their lives. And you know, I've
gotten a chance to not only sit and talk to you,
but sit and talk to so many of other people
that I respect in the wellness space and just an
inspiring space, you know, from Deepok to side Guru to

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and just my idols, you know, growing up in music.
So I apply a lot of things that I've learned
into this book and hopefully it helps people.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
It will, it will help people for sure. I want
to I want to stop asking you. You know, you've
manifested success. And when I spend time with you today
and I see you with Jane, and I see you
talking about Noah. I also feel you've manifested happiness, and
I think those two things are very different, and so

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I wanted to ask you what's been different about manifesting
success Korea profession and then manifesting happiness.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
One of the things about success is you have to
define what your idea of success is.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I don't think if, like, say, somebody had a billion dollars,
I wouldn't say that he's more successful than me. I
would just say he has more money than me. And
I think that's the power of separation. We tie so
many things into definition, right Success to me is a
feeling of it's an emotion. It's something that when your

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purpose is activated and you are impacting people in any way,
shape or form. There's so many ways to impact people
right now. There are byproducts of success, like money can
be a byproduct of success. You know, when you do
something and you create a supplying demand, you get paid
for it. But I don't think because you make money

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that you're successful, you know what I'm saying, And I
don't think, you know, there's a lot of things that
you could tie to that. Just like I don't think
just because if your life isn't going the way you are,
that doesn't mean that you let that make you unhappy.
Those are two separate things. That's really the power of separation.
So for me, success is a feeling and it's when
my purpose is activated. So I remember I did an

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interview and they asked, you know, successful talking about success,
and I said, well, I'm not the most successful person.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
In the world.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
And I was like, well, maybe I am, actually because
I love so many aspects of my life and I'm
living in the life that I've always dreamed of. You know,
times ten, I only wanted to have a song on
the radio and like a platinum song, and bro, I've
sold one hundred and eighty five million records or something crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I've like taken care of.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
My mom, my dad, a lot of people, and live
ten lifetimes already, so everything has just been sprinkles on top.
So to me, success is really activating your purpose. And
happiness is something that you can choose instantly. Your happiness
is something that you could choose instantly, and it's something

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that I learned the hard way because when I have
fallen into like a dark time. You know, we all
go through these ups and downs. When I've been down bad,
and like, the depression comes in, the anxiety comes in,
the self sabotage comes in, and you can hold onto
these things and they will they will stick with you

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your whole life. You have to decide to let them go.
And that's one of the things I talk about in
the book. A lot of people may not know how
to do that, and there are a lot of ways,
but one of the first ways is to choose how
you feel.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
You're in control of that.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And it's easier said than done, because when things aren't
going your way, you're pissed off at everybody, You're like
blame and everything. Well, first of all, you have to
quit blaming everything else and realize that you're a magnet.
You're magnetizing your whole world to you, you know. So
if that's the case, obviously you switch it to an
emotion that resonates with you more of how at least

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how you desire to feel right, And you can choose that,
and I'm telling you, your whole experience will change. So
happiness is something you can choose immediately.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, one thing that stood out to me listening to
you was the power of separation. I've never heard it
like that before. Yeah, and I really like that term
because we have to learn to separate society's views and
our views. We have to learn to separate, as you said,
our definition of success and other people's definition of success.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
And separate what you control and what you can control.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And so how do we develop the power of separation?
What does it take to cultivate that within ourselves to
have that ability, because I feel most of us don't
practice the power of separation.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's just the recognition.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
To me, one of the biggest blessings in your life
is growing pains. One of the biggest blessings is going
through a time where you are feeling at your lowest
or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is
just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're

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meant for something different, or you're meant for something more,
something greater. You know, if you're satisfied with where you're at,
then that just is what it is. And you know,
you probably wouldn't even be depressed, but because you are,
because you feel a certain way or like you're not
all the way there, that is just confirmation that you
are truly truly meant for more or something different. So

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to me, I think that when you recognize okay, you know,
once you start recognizing things of that nature, you could say, okay,
what's the first step of getting out of this? And
so that's part of the book.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I say.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
You know, accepting where you are. That doesn't mean you
have to like you have to like stay there. That
just means accepting the blessings and all the things that
come along with where you are to open up space
for more, and you're letting go of all the baggage
that is holding the weighing you down. I used to
be like that. I used to be like when things
don't go my way, I'm terrible. Oh this doesn't happen

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the way I wanted it to or the way I
saw it. You know, my whole mood is shot right,
And I'm not to say that things don't affect me
when they don't go my way. But I have the
armor on now. I know how to deal with it.
I know how to get over it and get back
to it. That's how a lot of my heroes.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Deal with things too. You know.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
When you think of like Denzel Washington, like say he
has a new movie out. Say the movie does amazing
and it's incredible, and he wins an oscar. Say the
movie comes out and the bombs or doesn't do as well.
He's not going to give up and quit. It's not
going to ruin his life. He's going to move on
to the next thing and use that to the power

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of separation. You know, that's a real thing.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, you reminded me of. I love Denzel too, so yeah,
you reminded me of.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I can't speak for Denzel. That's just like an example.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeaheah of what you're perceiving. I remember my football coach
growing up gave me this piece of advice and it
stayed with me ever since then. He would say to us,
if you lose, cry for a night. Yeah, and he goes,
if you win, celebrate for a night, but then get
back to training.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So if you lose, cry for a night, but then
get back to training. And if you win, celebrate for
a night and get back to training. It was always
about getting back to training the next day. It was like,
you can't just sit there and cry for a week
or cry for a month, and you can't in the
same way celebrate for a month. You can just live
off your past success. That's right, get back to training.

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And I love that mindset.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Someone was asking Kobe mindset almost right, Yeah, yeah, you know,
I know you got a chance to talk to Kobe before,
and I've actually got a chance to talk to him
as well. And you know, he's incredible and his mindset
was something that I admired so much. And I got
a chance to talk to him literally a few months

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before he passed, and he was just telling me about
how he meditates and what it does for him, right,
And I just resonated with that so much. It's really
it's really cool because we all are reflections of each other,
not just me and you or whoever. It's like everyone
that's in your vicinity and your environment is a reflection
of you or a part of you, even if you

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like him or don't like them, you know, And it's
something to recognize that we are all interconnected. After you
go down to the layers of it, right, you get
past the singularity of like career, the you know, family, house, this,
and that, we're all you go really deep inside and
we're all very similar.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
We're all the same, we.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
We have the same system of order, of operations, you know,
and it's really a true testament of we all are
everything physicals made of that same I don't know what
you want to call it prana or love energy. And
as I've gotten older in my life, I see the similarities.
I have friends that are in their sixties, seventies, you know,

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I have friends that are all Racis and things, and
I see myself in all of them, and I think
that's something to recognize in such a world of separation.
I know that kind of is like afar reach from
talking about the interaction with Kobe, but it's just it's
just crazy how in everyone that I've been meeting lately
and even just from growing up that I've seen, it's

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like a mirror almost in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yeah, yeah, I mean talking about Kobe, I think what
resonated to do most about him is that he was
at peace in retirement, and athletes who are retiring don't
always find peace because naturally it was so important to
be on the field right right, and so no judgment

(15:01):
towards anyone, but it's so hard to not be on
the court anymore and not miss it and want to
be there. And he had found a new purpose. And
that's the most interesting thing is that you don't get
to peace by pursuing it, and you don't get to
peace by trying to pursue more prizes and more wins.

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You get to peace by finding your purpose. And that's
what he did. And so I want to talk about
in your book because you really give people these five practices,
and I want to give people a game plan a
roadmap today in our interviews so that when they read
the book they can kind of connect the dots between
things you've said today. And I want everyone to go
out and grab a copy of the book because I
really feel it simplifies. I feel like so much of

(15:44):
this space is like mystical complex and it can take
a long time. But what you've done is you've really
demystified and go hire your book the pathway to get there.
And I love that you start to accept because I think,
even though it's a hard step, it's such an important step,
this idea that your journey only begins when you accept

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that where you are is your starting point, that your
experience have made you exactly who you're meant to be,
with the skills, the talents, the gifts. So if someone's
sitting and listening and going Sean, that's so hard for
me to accept that I am where I need to
be because my life's just been full of, you know,
the worst, horrible, difficult things. How do I accept and

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start from there? What would you say to them?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I would say that I understand some people's lives are
not ideal. I'm someone who has seen that experience that
can relate to that firsthand. And what I can say
is that when you accept it, that doesn't mean that
you are giving up. Those are two different things. Accepting

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it just means Okay, I'm ready to go somewhere else,
and I'm thankful for all that all of this has
taught me, all of this has brought me. I accept
where I'm at, but I know I'm made for something else.
I know I'm made to go to go higher, right,
but no, but really I'm made to be somewhere else
in the world, you know. And I think that until

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you accept that, you can't move forward because you're just
in the middle of it. And I think when you
accept something, that's how you get ahead of it.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like it's the resistance
to acceptance that blocks us exactly right. It's like when
we're fighting. Yeah, when we're fighting, we're going in the
opposite direction. It's like it's telling you it's going in
this direction and you're trying to force it to go
in the other direction. And that's what's causing tension. And

(17:45):
accepting it means, like you said, not that you're giving
up and you're like, all right, well, I just do
what you want it's going. No, this is how it's flowing.
Now what am I going to do?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
There's always a like thread of where you are to
where you desire to be at matter or and what situation.
There's never not a way or else you wouldn't feel it,
or else you wouldn't be have a desire for it,
but it wouldn't even be in your consciousness, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Like I don't have a.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Desire to go to Saturn because that's just not in
my thing, right, But I have a desire to the
things that I've had a desire to.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I always knew that there was a way.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
So always know that no matter what opportunity you're in,
against the impossible odds or against odds, you know, whatever
it is, you always have your way to get to
where you are. There's always a thread leading you, and
there are maybe multiple threads. So never be down and
out and think that it's impossible.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
It's really not.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, Mission Impossible is a movie that where he
defines impossible missions, you know. But my point is is like,
there's nothing that's impossible for you. It's all meant for you,
and it's up to you.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
One of my favorite quotes is, every day I wake up,
I'm one day closer to death. So what you're gonna
do at the time you got It's like, understand that
this is our time right now, The moment is now,
these moments, we only have the moment. So a lot
of us live in the future and a lot of
us live in the past, and that's something that we

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have to get out of the habit of. And I
think when you accept where you are, you're kind of
letting go of that and making an action plan to
putting your attention on your intention. And you, of course
you have an idea of where you would like to be.
But God doesn't always give us what we want. God
gives us what we need, and sometimes those are the
same thing, and sometimes they are not.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, and it all works out, you.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Know, yeah, for sure. What's the you know, when you're
manifesting as we're talking about this, like finding your path.
What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Boy, attracting energy and chasing energy. Well, like I said,
when you're chasing something, you're already implementing the energy of
it away from you, you know what I mean? And
I just say you can't get it. But it's a
lot of effort to chase something. It's like even police
on a high speed chase, it's like they might have

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to crash into other cars and they're chasing you. And
when you attract something, it's you are using the powers
that have been granted to you from God, universe, whatever
you call it or believe in of it magnetizing to
you and you have that power. It's been the power
that's been you know, we use it on a level,

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on small levels every day. Even if you just set
it and say, hey, I'm today, I need to take
a shower. That's literally you set a goal, you did it,
It's done. You can do that on the scale of
anything that happens, and some things may take a lot
more time than others. You know, we have these ideas
and expectations we set for ourselves, but that's on us,

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you know, that's our ego. Sometimes that's our our you know,
once in desire, in our minds, sometimes getting the best
of us. And I think that things do take time,
but there's always a way, and you know it's you
can never count yourself out.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
What's been the most difficult thing you've ever had to accept?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
The most difficult thing that I've ever had to accept
is that the things that I can't control, I used
to let the things that I can't control control me.
Give an example, let how someone perceives your art As
an artist, like Eric Abadu says, we're emotional about our shit.

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You know, I think she said something like that. That
never changes. But you can't control how someone perceives you.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
All you can do is put first of all, to
make something, to write something, to have an idea and
it actualize it. Is like that is really the wind
for real. I'm not just saying that like that is like,
come on, you know what I mean? You literally manifested
something how people consume it. If you impact anyone you

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that's literally a bonus to it. You know, that's why
we do it. But that's that's you literally changing the world.
So one thing I've had to accept is like, yeah,
how people like I can't control what people think of me,
their perceptions of me, And when I try and control that,
it takes me off of my path that I'm on

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where I need to go, you know. So that's that's
that is something hard, and you have to separate, like
that said, that power of separation, of doing what you
love to do and not tie it into how people
perceive it.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Those are two separate.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Things, which is so hard, so hard, And I loved
what you said that when you get fixated on what
other people think of you, you're just getting distracted from
your path. Of course, now you're placing it on and
then you might even shift what you're doing to try
and a pease them, and then they still won't like it.

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And that's the craziest part, right, You do what you
want and they don't like it, and then you do
what they want and they still don't like it, and
then you don't know who you are anymore, and no
one likes it and you don't like it either, and
you end up not liking yourself trying to get everyone
else to like you. That's where you don't want to
be at, and that's where you don't want to be at.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
And then you're kind of like back to a square one,
you know, position of like okay, having to re establish
yourself and you know you got to be right with
yourself first. So you nailed it right on the head. Man,
It's like, you know you can't, you can't really do
you live your life for other people. I always say
that's a business you'll never be successful at, as the

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business of trying to please everyone, and then when you
do please everyone, it's like, are you pleasing yourself?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
It's a hard it's a hard lesson as well for people,
because we will naturally want to make the people around
us happy. And our childhood has so much to do
with that. You know. We were speaking a bit earlier
and I was talking about how like I was the
peacemaker in my family, I was the mediator. Yeah, I
was the young one as a ten year old, wow,
And so I was always trying to keep the peace

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and listen to people and understand them and understand what
was going on. And so I always had to read
in between the lines and I always had to have
a great sense of when something was going to kick
off and how did And I wasn't trying to make
peace in the sense of like everyone's just got to
get along. I was always trying to get to the
root of it and go what healings needed here? And
I don't know, I just always did that.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
And you know what, you know what's special about that, man,
is that I think that we choose our parents before
you know, I think as spirits we choose our parents.
This's is what I believe, right, It's just a concept
that I believe. And some people be like, well that's
I was in a family where it wasn't easy this
and I would have never chosen that.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
But you don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
You know, to be one the billion of sperm that
make it into the egg and come sensual life, you
really fought to be in this world, right, And I
truly believe that God doesn't give you what you want.
God gives you what you need first and foremost, and
you don't know how the development. There are some people
who need a nurturing family that's perfect, right, And then

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there are some people who actually learn maybe even more and.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Become more of a.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Positive force for the world to change it by learning
of what not to do from their parents directly all
the time or not all the time, but like in
certain situations, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
So I just think.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That you know, you being the mediator you were, You
were on a course you were learning at such a
young age of things to apply or what not to
apply to your marriage. And the fact that you were that,
because we talked about it off camera, the fact that
you were a mediator, the fact that you were that
for your family at such a young age, it's just

(25:57):
incredible because look at the path that has led you to. Man,
you're impacting everybody. Man, You're impacting like the world you know,
and me and families, and you're really changing it with
like the person you are in the heart that you
have have you know.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
So wow, I'm just I just got to pay my
respect to you.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, you're too kind. Man. I got lucky. I met
good men. I feel like important people we've talked about
in previous interviews. When you've come on about your mother's
role in your life, Oh and how pivotal she was
and for me, my monk teachers. You met Ratherandswami when
he came to my him over a couple of years back,
and you met him, and meeting him was so pivotal

(26:34):
to my whole spiritual journey. I was going to ask
him and talk about kids picking their parents. Noah picked you.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, he did talk.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
To us about how fatherhood has transformed your views on
the learning experience, of what you've learned from fatherhood that
you couldn't have learned from anything else.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Well, when you have a kid and you see them
and they look like you, and they look like their mom,
you see that they smile like you, or smile like
her or how you know, you see all these things
and you realize, okay, and then they kind of look
like my brother, and they kind of look like her
granddad and her you know, all these different family members, right,
and you're like, this is really crazy, and he'll do

(27:12):
something that is like reminiscent of what you used to do.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
So then I realized that, Okay, the DNA is like
a computer. It's information that gets passed on on and
on and on, right, So you're really the culmination of
a whole lineage, right and in you. So one of
the things that I learned from him, because there are
times in my life where I'm like, man, I wish

(27:35):
I could talk to my grandma. You know, my grandma
was a female black captain in World War two.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Man, she was crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
She was incredible, and like or my granddad they met
in World War two, right, or like I wish I
could like I'll be like, man, I wish I could
like speak to them or like get advice from them. Now,
you know, I only known them as a little kid.
And then I realized that the information is already in me.
All I have to do is just go deeper within
and really connect with that. And that's something that I

(28:03):
learned from my son being born. Somehow that clicked. Is
like he is the culmination of our lineage, all the
DNA from my side, from his mom's side and so
on and so forth, and he's got he's got something
special going on. So that's one thing I learned. And
another thing I learned is to go back to the
simplistic beauties of life. When we're on walks out in nature.

(28:27):
He's so fascinated with like the flowers and the birds
and like just like oh this or that or bug
b you know, he's like and it just given me
a whole new excitement for that. Yeah, And I really
appreciate him for teaching me. I feel like he's teaching
me as much as we teach him. I feel like

(28:49):
he's teaching all of us a lot as well. And
he's also teaching all of us that, like, hey, we
can be happy right now. He's like, even if he's
like distraught or something, he'll go do something be happy
right there.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, chooses it. And I love that.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Man. I'm so glad I ask you asked you that
question because I knew you'd have such a deep answer
for it, like your answer. The first part of it,
the idea that your child has all of that within
Like you were just saying you wish you could talk
to your grandparents, which I wish I could interview your grandparents.
I mean that sounds like a phenomenal you journey and
story to hear about it, And I want to know

(29:24):
how much more you know about what they did or
how much you don't. But I love the idea that
we actually have it encapsulated within us. It gets coded
in us, it is and even if we're unaware of it.
And I was talking to a researcher the other day.
I was doing some research for my next book, and
she was talking to me. We were finding this research
that was talking about how when kids are told their

(29:46):
ancestral stories, they have a much deeper sense of belonging.
And so the reason why so many of us feel
so lost today is we've never been told deep stories
about where our parents come from, where our grandparents come from,
what they went through, not in a way to make
us feel like a victim or a feel at a disadvantage,

(30:08):
but to hear a story from the perspective of this
is your heritage, and then you feel like you belong
to something so much more, bigger and beyond you, whereas
most of us are just like, oh, yeah, I'm from
West Hollywood or whatever. Right, it's such a like you know,
it's like a temporary residence, it is, but like when
you know you belong to something eternal. Like I was

(30:29):
talking to the research I was saying that in my life,
the things that have helped me the most when I'm
going through a tough time, a difficult time, a real low,
is recognizing that I'm part of a five thousand year
old tradition. So when I'm repeating the geta, which is
a five thousand year old scripture, which is the text
I learned as a monk. When I realize I'm connected

(30:52):
to that lineage, I feel unstoppable because I'm like that
survived for five thousand years. I'm going to be all right.
I'm gonna be okay, right. Whereas when you just think like, oh, man,
you know, I've just been on the planet for like
that years and I'm trying to figure it out, it
can feel quite uncomfortable. And so I love what you're
saying that actually, inside your son Noah, there is the coding. Yeah,

(31:16):
all his grandparents.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
It is, and all of us. It's like time traveling.
People always try and figure out how to preserve themselves.
You know, the expression, oh I'm living through my kids
or I'm living that's real. I've realized how much power
these simple expressions have communication can save a nation, or
like you know, but like, yeah, I really feel like

(31:37):
we always try and think like, oh, there's not enough time,
there's not enough time. There's a real, real, real truth
to I'm living through my kids or whoever or whoever
you choose to I don't even think it has to
be your kids. I think that your blood, your lineage,
it's like you really are you really do time travel?

(32:00):
You know, a thousand years from night. There may be
some descendants that look like us, you know, or like slight.
You know, you'd be like, oh, you know, I look
like my dad's dad, you do. Yeah, I've never met him,
you know, he unfortunately passed, you know, when I was
super little.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I never even met him. But he's a part of
me too.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And I think that's also why it's important to work
on yourself and to heal certain traumatic experiences because with
all this information we pass on, you also pass.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
On the good and the bad, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
So said, you know, you heal things health wise, and
you heal things traumatic wise, you know, or trauma wise,
and you know, it's really important to work on yourself physically, mentally, emotionally,
and spiritually because you pass on all of that as well.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Yeah, for sure, man, I mean that's what's so interesting, right,
Like within you you have the coding of the greatness, yeah,
and the heritage and you the coding of the unhealed
generational trauma that keeps being passed down. What was what
was something you had to look at in your background
and past generationally traumatically that wasn't healed that. You were like,

(33:16):
I'm not going to pass this to Noah, like this
has to stop this time.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Oh so many things, so many like uh, worry one thing.
I used to worry so much create all of these
scenarios in my head. And I think that's like a
double edged sword. You know, when you have an imagination
in your creative you create right, so you can create good.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You could create bad, but.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
They're they're one of the experience of life has taught
me it to never worry. No matter what, You're gonna
be fine, you know. I think one of my biggest
fears used to be, like, what if I lose everything right,
and what if I have to go back to, you know,
growing up in Detroit and the hood blah blah blah
and I and then it's.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Just like, well I was I could.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I was happy there too, Like I shouldn't be scared
to lose any of this stuff because this stuff is conditional,
and it's like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Gonna be good wherever I'm at.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I remember when I talked to side Googu, I was like,
where's your favorite place in the world. He's like, wherever
I'm at and I was like, damn, you know, so
it kind of goes back to that that like that's
one of the things I don't want to pass.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
On to him. It's like, you never have to worry,
you know.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
You know, you could, you could be fueled, you could
let something inspire you to be greater, you could let
something light a fire under you. But like, don't ever
worry because you have what it takes to to get
to wherever you got to get to, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, how do you kind of imprint that in
a young child?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Like how do you you do you imprint that in
a young child by building up his confidence? And that's
one of the things I love about my boy is
like he's so confident. He's like, you know, I never am.
Like that's something that I want to keep feeding him.
Even on the song I wrote about him on my album,
I said, I see my inner child in him, instilled

(35:02):
the remnants. Will he lose it to the world as
an imminent or is it something that me and his
mom have instilled in him? And the confidence you lose
you could build again. It's like yeah, and like I
just want to water that. I think that when I
was a kid, my mom and my dad came up

(35:22):
in like a civil rights moment in the country. Like
my mom had to drink from like a different water fountain.
You know, my family has been through a lot. My
mom's great aunt, who was like an old woman. My
mom will go visit her in North Carolina, was born
a slave. So that just goes to show you how
close that that lineage is.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Too right.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's like it kind of feels like it's so far away,
but it's not. She was an old woman and my
mom was a baby. But my mom is alive now,
so the connection of that is like few and far between.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
My point being is that my mom and my.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Dad did the best that they could, but they can
from an era where they had to really be don't
be too loud, be controlled, don't do but get out
of line.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Like you know, my mom would be like when.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
You get pulled over, like make sure your hat is off,
and like you they see you faith and you be
respectful and and I think there was a lot to that,
but it was it was coming from a little bit
of a fear based place sometimes. And that's something that
I've recognized and that's something that my mom has helped
me recognize too through all of the knowledge she's.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Given me and my dad.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
But like one of the things I want to pass
on to him is that like, be confident in who
you are because you have what it takes. He has
you get to already tell you has a great heart,
He has a great spirit. He loves making trying to
make people laugh, you know, not even at two years old.
He was like before, like one year old, like telling
you know, trying to like make you smile. And it's

(36:52):
just like I just want to keep water in that
confidence in him, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Yeah. Yeah, And that confidence kind of talks nicely to
the second practice. In your book, you talk about strategizing. Yeah, strategizing,
And I love that you went there because I think
a lot of people see spirituality and strategy as opposite, opposite,
or they separate them, right, And I know we've always
vibed on the fact that to me, they go hand

(37:17):
in hand absolutely, because strategy is just intentionality in action, right,
Like That's that's.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
What it is. Strategy is intentionality and action, right.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, you have intention and then you get activated around
an intention and that's how you strategize. But I think
often people think strategy has to be conniving or like
some sort of manipulation. But that's not what you mean.
So when you say we need to get strategic, how
do we build the skill of becoming strategic? And what

(37:47):
does it mean?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, I think you recognize, like you said, is just
some strategy.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
To me, is the key to.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Getting is one of the keys to move from where
you are to where you have to be because you
identify where you desire to be. Because you identify so
much and you get to you get to research, you
get to.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Plot and plan. Nothing. You know, nothing.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That is really amazing in life is doesn't come without
a plan, you know what I mean. There are a
lot of spontaneous things, and I do believe in the
energy of spontaneity and like, but strategizing, to me, is
so important and there's so many ways to do it.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
You know, you could like study someone from Afar.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
That's kind of one of the beauties of the Internet
is like you can kind of study and know someone
you really respect. Or you may have someone in your family,
or you may have someone in your neighborhood, or you
may have someone but even say someone from across the
world that you really respect. You can study a lot
of their what they have put out in the world,
and sometimes that's all you need. There have been times

(38:59):
where or when you get to know someone fully, you
might get let down a little bit. It's like because
you have all these expectations and you meet them and
it's like, wait, what you know? But I think there
comes again the power of separation, like you got to
separate that and you know.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
So I know I'm talking a lot, but good.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, I do think that, like strategizing is a real
key to happiness, you know, and strategy it doesn't have
to be like a deep thing. Strategizing could just be
as simple as writing your intentions down, strategizing your day.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
How are you going to approach this?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I always like, before I get into a studio session
or anything, I always like meditate and I write down
what I would like to experience in the session, you know,
what would I like to get done, how would that feel?
And I kind of lock onto that feeling before I
go and do do what I gotta do.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I'm glad that you pointed out that strategizing it
starts with studying, because then it becomes you study something
and then you apply it, and that's what strategy is
you study it first and then you apply it. And
I was thinking about it as you were saying, like
strategizing your day. I was thinking about if you think
about New York, it's a grid system. That's a strategy.
It's a strategy, like that's what it is. If you

(40:16):
look at if you travel to Europe, you'll see there
was a strategy in how towns were built where like
the church would be in the middle of the town,
it'd be a river flowing through the middle, there'd be
a bridge over the river. There was a strategy and
how it was built in order to create an experience
of the city. And I feel, you know, that's what
it is. It's thinking about your life and thinking what

(40:38):
are the pillars and priorities in my life, Like what
are the things that are like almost like building a
city exactly right, He goes, Okay, well, a city needs
a fire station because sometimes there's going to be a fire.
It needs a school because I need to learn. It
needs a hospital because sometimes you're going to get ill.
Like what does a city need? And you've got to
look at your life in the same way and go

(40:59):
what is my life life need?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And sometimes that's exactly what your life needs. A structure,
you know, when you feel like you're all over the
place and things aren't happening, sometimes you just need a
little bit of structure and strategy to jump started and
build the foundation to build on, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
So that's a perfect analogy.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Yeah, what was the best strategy you ever built to
achieve something in your life? What example would you give
from your own journey? When were you most strategic effectively?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
There have been times where I was very strategic in
times where I wasn't. And one of the times in
my life where strategy really helped out was just like
I would say, securing my first record deal. I always
knew I would get a record deal. I would talk
about it frequently with my friends in eighth grade. I

(41:45):
would talk about when I A when I sell out,
the this, the this, when I was, when I sell
out the Palace Auvary Hill, all these things that I
did ended up doing later. I just knew it was
going to happen. I just didn't know how. And we
all know that you can make plans and God laughs
at it. But I really feel like when your heart's
in the right place and you have the intentions and
you put a little bit of strategy to it.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Like one of the things that I've always wanted to
do is like, Okay, how can I get on the radio?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
You know? How can I be?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
How can I how can I be on the radio.
Then I, you know, did some homework and my friend, oh,
there's a radio show where you can battle rap and
end up wrapping on the radio, you know, and people, Okay,
that's a way to get on the radio. So how
do I get down there?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Oh so I need a ride down there. I would
like plan out every aspect. I need to make sure
I have a ride to get to the radio station to.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Be able to battle rap.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Okay, I need to plan I need to write a
rap for the when I get on the radio, so
I have something to wrap over, you know. And so
it's like you strategize every aspect of it and it
can be fun. It doesn't have to feel like homework.
It don't got to feel like school work. None of
us want to do more work. In fact, when you strategize,
you probably are emanating a lot of work, a lot

(43:02):
more work. Don't get full thinking that like you're getting
ahead by not doing the work. I'm telling you, when
you strategize and plan things out, you're eliminating hours of work.
So that is the reason. You know, a lot of
us may not have time to read this book. You
think like, I don't have time to read a book.
I'm telling you like reading a book, not just my book,

(43:24):
but a book that impacts you saves time.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
It doesn't take time.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Oh I'm so glad you said that, because yeah, that's
all it does. All it does when you're learning, all
it does is saved time. It stops you from making mistakes.
It helps you avoid the ones that someone else made
before you. You probably make some new mistakes, for sure, Yeah,
but you'll avoid so many. And I loved what you
said the way you broke it down, like, ultimately, strategizing

(43:51):
is building steps to that goal, and you're trying to
break it down to the step that I can do
today and now. Yes, that is small and easy all
the way up. And I love the way you work
backwards where it's like, all right, I want to be
on the radio. Yeah, all right, let me break that
down way a minute. That means I need to go this.
That means I need to do this. That means first
I need to do this. Okay, that means right now,

(44:12):
I just need to do this. Yeah, And I think
sometimes we live on level twenty one of where we
want to go, but then we haven't got the elevated
down to level zero to go up, right, Like we
just mind is in level twenty.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
One and we get mad that we're not on level
twenty one. And I'm a victim of that, And I
think that you know, I've gone through experience. I'm not
a victim. I have done that before. I've experienced that,
so I know how frustrating it could be. But don't
let it stress you unless you let it unless it's
you stress. There's distress, and then there's you stress, and

(44:48):
that you stress can motivate you. It really can't. It
could light a fire under you. Go through a distress
can kind of weigh you down. So you have the
power to take any aspect, even depression, and let it
either or weigh you down or let it fuel you,
you know what I mean. So, yeah, I think that
I know it's a lot of people frustrated. I get frustrated. Still,
I'm nowhere near perfect. I'm not talking to you as

(45:11):
an expert in any way. Shape or form. I'm literally
talking to you as a reflection of you and someone
who has gone through these experiences and have just like
and given the game that I've learned, you know, and
straight black and white and examples of how I've done it,
you know.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
So yeah, for sure, you've gave us an idea of
when you were strategic, what was the time when you
hat it right?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
So there are times where yeah, I've let things go,
I didn't strategize, Like there's always things you haven't thought
about that you got to come back to later, like
when I had to fell out with some family members,
like even my mom. My relationship got tainted for a
long time and it was like I was not calling her,
I was not checking in, I wasn't doing anything that

(45:58):
a sun and now having a son, I really feel
the depth of that, you.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
And I could have strategized that better, you know what
I mean? I could have strategized a lot of things better,
and you always have twenty twenty in hindsight.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Totally, totally, totally no, And I agree. It's just good
to know because yeah, it's the same for me. And
I love how you said that strategy is also sometimes
with people, you know, like we say the wrong thing
at the wrong time. Well, you say the right thing
but at the wrong time, or you say the right
thing but in the wrong way, or you say the
right thing but in the wrong place, or you say

(46:37):
the right thing and you know, to the wrong person.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah, it's like it has to be strategic because otherwise
it's not digested. We just think as long as I'm
saying the right thing, everything will be okay. Yeah, But
if you say the right thing in the wrong place
to the wrong person at the wrong time and the
wrong way, with the wrong word the wrong language, it
doesn't matter how true the thing you said was right.
And that's what strategy is, is going Wait, how do

(47:00):
I make sure this lens?

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Like what is it? What is required for this to
actually have an impact on someone and to serve them
and help them.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, And that's what we're here to do, is to
serve in every aspect. It's always comes down to being
of service, you know, in anything we put out there,
in any interview, in any book, in any song, it's
really of service to whatever the moment it relates to,
you know what I mean. So yeah, and that yeah,
you're right saying the right thing to the wrong. And

(47:31):
the thing is, you're kind of the only one who
can dictate, you know, right and wrong. It's so opinionated
depending on who you talk to. Sure, you know, there
are a lot of people who think that, you know,
any anything that we could think is wrong. Somebody could
argue how it's right, you know, even down to black
and white. Somebody can argue that this text that says

(47:54):
the exact same thing means this thing, and or this
means that thing.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
So I think it's important to come from a place
of understanding. And this leads to something else I want
to talk about, because just because you understand something doesn't
mean you have to accept it just because you understand it,
And that's something that I had to learn the hard way.
I thought that I was being this spiritual guy by

(48:22):
if I get into a disagreement with someone understanding where
they come from and then ultimately turns to me not
respecting myself because I'll understand where they're coming from and
be like, Okay, I get it. But the fact that
I still get it it doesn't mean that I can't
express myself and I'm not valid. So I want to
make sure that everyone knows that because I think that

(48:45):
that was something that I learned, is to set boundaries.
And that's like that big B word. That's like the
biggest B word there is is boundaries that I've learned
this year, and like that has really really really changed
a lot of tynamics with people and change a lot
of It's really created a lot of happiness in my life.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Why did boundaries become so prominent in the last year,
As you said.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I think I was trying to be a hero in
every situation I was in. I'm some empathetic person, so
I love to I really can feel when people are
going through something, even when the world is going through something.
It's like I kind of really have to like really
protect myself energetically because I take on a lot of
people's problems. You know what I'm saying, I can't help it,

(49:33):
and it's not a good I don't look at it
as a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
I just look at it as how I am.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Do I wish sometimes that I could just cut things off? Yeah,
but it had taught me that I can. I just
have to set boundaries on what I can and can't accept.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And this year.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, there are a lot of things that I was
tired of feeling uncomfortable in certain situations.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I was tired of letting people walk all over me.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
And just because I understood or I get it, I'm
not respecting myself. And I didn't realize that I wasn't
respecting myself in that. You know, there are times where yeah,
I need to I can't go to this thing, I
can't do this or you know what, I can't go here.
I can't go to Dubai and do this show because
I have to be here for my son. I got

(50:18):
to take my son trick or treating. You know, I
had to say some of those boundaries that may have
cost me one.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Thing, but I gained another.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
And one of the most important things I gained back
from setting boundaries is the trust in myself, you know,
the confidence that I feel like I have been building
up so yes for so long.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, And I think we're scared of setting boundaries because
we are scared of what we lose when we do.
It could be fomo, it could be you know, the
fear of becoming irrelevant, the fear of becoming insignificant.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
The fear of losing a person the.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Fear of losing a person. But I learned that too.
I remember a time in my life where I had
so much passion fatigue where I just felt like I
was there for everyone else, but I had no And
when I say income, I don't mean financially, I mean
there was no energy income coming in.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
And you were just a piece of you. You were
just a part of you at that point, exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
And you're just and it's what you just said. You're
trying to be a superhero and you're trying to be
the guy, not in an egotistic way, you actually just
care about people for real. But I realized very very
quickly at that time that unless I was full, rested, complete,
you know, I wasn't actually able to help anyone. I

(51:37):
was just giving people my leftovers, yeah, and not the
best of myself.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
And I would enjoy it. And you got to enjoy
your life too.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Totally totally, And I just found that what really helped
me was remembering that I didn't have enough to give
anyone else if I wasn't in a good place myself period.
And that didn't mean I wanted to get to a
good place just for myself. The reason I wanted to

(52:06):
get to a good place is so I could give
more good to others, and therefore there had to be
a structure. They had to be an order of all. Right, well,
I need to take care of myself. I need to
be full, I need to be ready, and then I
can extend myself. But if I keep extending myself to
everyone else, chances are I get bitter at them. I'll
get mad at myself, and then I want have anything
to give. Yes, that's right, right, yeah, And it's an

(52:29):
interesting one. Boundaries because I feel like I think we
also think we set boundaries for other people, but we
do it for ourselves.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
We do it for ourselves because people.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Always be like, this person keeps breaking my boundaries, and
I'm like, well, no, you keep breaking your.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Boundaries exactly right, No, Yes, it's you know, it's like
the boundaries forgiveness. They're not just there for you. You know,
forgiveness is for you as well, and boundaries are for
you as well. Yeah, it's been tough. I think that
I grew up letting people walk all over me. I

(53:03):
think I grew up by letting people take advantage of
me straight up, you know, just to be real and
I saw that in my parents, especially my dad. He
would let people take advantage of him. He was a
very nice guy. And there's nothing like I said right
or wrong. It's an opinion, you know, It's just a perspective.
So I'm not criticizing him or saying he was wrong

(53:26):
in any way. It's just the kind, spirited hearted person
he is. But along with that, you do have to
set your boundaries and respect who you are because you
will lose a sense of yourself by trying to take
care of everyone else. You will lose a sense of
yourself if you don't set these boundaries, you will lose
the sense of yourself if you don't take the time
out to keep connecting with yourself, even if it's something

(53:46):
you love. I lost like the passion of like watching anime.
I remember why I was working so hard. It's like
I hadn't sat and watched anime. I love watching anime.
I love Dragon ball Z, I love like my hero
Academia and Demon Slayer and even Galiens and all these things,
and that's just one thing that I love. Right, So
it's like I have to take time out to do

(54:07):
that because it is really important to me. Yeah, so
I know all of us have demands, some of us
have family, some of us work two jobs, three jobs,
some of us. And you say it's impossible. What I'm
telling you, if you make that time, you will create
more time to be the better version of yourself in

(54:28):
any of those situations.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I promise you.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The other thing that really helped me
as a boundary. And this doesn't apply if something's life
threatening or urgent, but some of them, someone would call
me up and be like, oh, I had to fight
with my wife, to fight with my husband, and my
natural inclination was to fix it. So like, yeah, let's
jump on the phone. I'm going to help you through

(54:51):
it right.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Now, because that's how you wear as a ten year.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Old, because that's how it was as a ten year old.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah and so on and so forth. Yeah, go ahead, And.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Then I realized then actually my new response started to
be yeah, let's talk in three days. And the reason
was a because maybe I had stuff on and I
couldn't run to it. Like I said, it doesn't apply
to lifetime. If someone calls me and goes I got
to the hospital, obviously I'm going to be there. But
if someone saying hey, this happened. That happened. I realized

(55:18):
I may not be in a position to quit everything
in my life to go and be on this call.
And those three days that person actually had to do
some processing for themselves. And when I was just jumping
on the phone with them, trying to save and solve
their problem, I was actually just enabling them to not
have to process it themselves. So most people in three

(55:40):
days would say to me, They text me and go, gee,
actually I think I figured it out exactly, and I'd
be like, great, I'd love to hear it. Let's jump
on a call. And now they talk to me be like, look,
I thought about it. You know, they said this. I
said that, but you know, and it just showed me
that so much of the time we think we're saving people,
were actually just an them. And every time we think

(56:02):
we're going to solve their problem, we're actually just creating
more issues for them. Because everyone needs to learn to
process mentally and emotionally themselves.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
And so sometimes like jumping in to help someone, you
actually end up hurting them because yeah, because they need
to do it themselves. And so sometimes I just said
that boundary with myself. It wasn't like I don't want
to be there for my friend or a family member.
I just realized being there for them meant not being
there right now, and they didn't know that. But then

(56:33):
when I saw them benefit from it, I realized that
actually space sometimes gave them what they needed more than
my words could.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, because it goes back to that we were talking
about a lot of the answers are in you, you know,
a lot of there was the things you're looking for,
the resolutions, they are in you.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
And sometimes it may.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Take a little wild to rise to the surface, and
sometimes they'll figure out. But one of the worst things
you could do is impact somebody in the moment of
them being emotional or in the moment of rage or
in the you.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Know, influencing them.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
It could it could, You could really ruin something, you know,
because you're feeding off of their emotions.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
It's like, yeah, just leave, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
You should just leave, like instead of just being like, hey,
take some time to you know, talk through it. Yeah,
it's really that's a that's a real important, great lesson man.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, it's it's helped me a lot.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
That's a great way of of exercise and boundaries.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, exactly. Exactly what if what are other daily habits.
You talk about journaling and meditation in the book, and
I want to talk about both of them because I
think they talked about a lot today, but I want
to hear about your deep, specific habits and how it's
become such a ritual for you. So let's start with journaling. Like,
obviously you're a writer anyway.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
It doesn't make it easier.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I was going to say, like, what's different about writing music?
Writing the book versus journaling?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Like, oh, completely different.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
So with music, I don't even like I kind of
just say when I get in the studio, I kind
of just let it flow through me. And I learned
that from like Kanye and jay Z and Common. Now
there are a lot of people who do right on
paths like Eminem you know, it's amazing to me and
a lot of people I know. But how I do

(58:22):
it personally is I just kind of like feel through
it and let it stream to me and like going
to mic and like not necessarily freestyle it, but yeah,
just piece it together. You got to come for a
session one day. But then when it comes to journaling,
that's my time where I put like my sword, you know,
your pin is like your sword to paper, and you

(58:45):
are setting your strategizing and you're setting your intentions of
you know, things you may would like to experience. But
I also like to do like gratitude. For some reason,
gratitude just seems to magnetize more of the things that
I'm thankful for in my life. I've seen it work

(59:06):
in a lot of ways, and that's my belief.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
So the things that you are grateful for, you have
to let the world know that you're grateful for it,
because house is going to know to give it back
to you, you know, or to bring it to you,
or to do the people around you. And it also
is a great way for me to you know, and
I practice. I am in so much power. So I
am grateful. I am this, I am happy, I am confident.

(59:29):
I am happy that I get to sit down and
talk to my friend Jay today, you know, I am.
I'm happy I get to whatever the case is, right.
So that's what I do. And then at the end
of it, of the journal of the when I do
the gratitude stuff, and there are times where I write
how I feel, not as much, I also speak out

(59:50):
loud by myself. You know, there are a lot of
processes I do. But when I do that journal, I
sign it at the at the bottom of it like
a contract, and I like I sometimes I put it
is done, or I put like, so be it because
it's a declaration when I do that, and I sign
it because it's that important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I have to sign my contracts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I have to sign things that will be upheld as
an important thing. And that's how the level of importance
even more that I hold that too, so I sign
it every time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
That is so good, man, I've heard that before. I'm
going to start doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
It's powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I've never signed it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
That's still it's powerful. And jad does everything I write
down come to fruition? No, sometimes it does, a lot
of them do. And then I realize that I'm also
on God's time. So the things that I've always wanted,
the things that I've desired, it may not just be
the right moment in my journey for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
But that's the beauty of it. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
I'm like, I'm still here, I'm still able, I'm still inspired,
I'm still passionate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
You know. Yeah, So that's how I that's how I
do my journaling.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I also have like a there's a book I have
of like poetry too that I like write poems and stuff.
I've only I only write a few a year, honestly,
but like I'll like fully write and draw around the
poem and like it's really like a beautiful art.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's just some something I do for fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I haven't actually I've only written one this year, and
last year I wrote a few, so maybe I maybe
inspired me to write one today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
But that's kind of all it is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
But I don't spend too much time on It takes
me about five to twelve minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
That's great, max.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
And then I meditate after that because it's kind of
like it's kind of like a good transition to like
the energy is set for me to like to meditate,
because when I meditate, I feel like I'm attracting these
things more and giving myself the best shot of being
the most productive, the most impactful that I can be,

(01:01:56):
you know. So that's that's kind of the first thing
I do when I wake up if I can being
a dad. Though there are times where I get I
get woken up and I have to go immediately, you know,
and so I come back to it later on it's
not preferred that way, but it's a good trade off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah. Yeah, what does your meditation look like? I love
because I've learned so much just to now your journal
I've never heard so be it it is done or
the signature at the end. I'm going to start practicing
those three. I like those lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah, because it's that important.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
That is beautiful, man, I get that. Like what you
just said about we signed contracts, signed checks, Like, there's
very few things we still sign.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Exactly right, and there very important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, there are important documents and that is an important document.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
And then so what about your meditation? What does your
practice look like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
It depends.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I love doing guided meditation. Sometimes I love doing I
kind of have my own process where I like visualize
the light of creation, like the light of the sun,
and it like really filling my whole body up and
literally everything that doesn't align with that, anything that isn't
that light and bright, you know what I'm saying, immediately

(01:03:11):
leaves my body and goes back into the earth. And like,
so you know, there are times where I if I'm
not in nature, I imagine myself in nature and like
things going back into the earth, and I like surround myself,
you know, from my I forgot the word that esoteric body.
I think it's like one inch off of you, then
your emotional body, then your mental body, and like I

(01:03:33):
just do the same thing, Like it's like a shower
of light. It's like hopping in the shower after you
work out, like but of light and whatever it is,
I kind of like cater to how I'm feeling. So
from there, I'll like, if I have like some row
on my stomach, I'll like, for some reason, I associate
green with healing energy, right, and this comes from years
of like practice, or I associate royal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Blue with power, you know, the power of the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I associate like a red with the love of the universe,
the love and support of the universe. And like I
represent like the violet flame of Saint Germaine, like to
cleanse things that are holding me back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Right, So I do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
I have like quite a process and I break it
down in a book and afterwards I feel just it
really makes a big difference. And you know, I read
this book the Hidden Messages in Water, I believe it's called,
and it talked about you know, there's like itty bitty
microscopic crystals in water, and they one of the part

(01:04:34):
of the book, the experiment of like how positively when
you speak to water, like, hey, you're amazing, I love you,
keep going like you're beautiful. And then they had another
water a glass or container of water where they said,
like you suck.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
It's never that, you know, real negative.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
And you look at the crystals and one is like
a beautiful snowflake looking crystal, and then the other one
is like distorted and all damaged, and we are seventy
eighty percent water. So these things, when you write these
affirmations down, or when you say them out loud, or
when you journal, these things have a real effect on

(01:05:14):
you tremendously, Like scientifically, it's not even like a woo
woo type of thing. It's not even like it's not
even up for debate, you know what I'm saying. It's
literally scientific for the people who are more you know,
need the proof as opposed to it, you know, more
analytical than like opinion based. So I just want to
stress the importance of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
And by the way, the most the most honorable people
that I've met and like what I consider to be successful,
and I don't mean richest. I just mean successful in
like the impact what they're doing, how.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
They are they meditate.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
They all, you know, from my favorite rappers down to
my favorite down to you, you know, down to anyone
who I just really admire and and and you can
meditate in your own ways. They're like I know, like
Janey does different meditations, you know, through sound healing or
mirror meditations. I know people who do shower meditations, walking.

(01:06:13):
There's no wrong way to meditate either. That's another misconception.
There's no wrong way to do it. The fact that
you take the intention out or if you focus on
your breathing, the fact that you take the time out
to be that conscious of yourself. Over time, you will
get more and more into it. It's like anything you
do and you will see the effects of it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Yeah, what was what?

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Have you ever meditated with another rapper that was interesting
or anything like that? Anyone an interesting practice that I
wouldn't know about. Does Eminem meditate?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I have never meditated with Eminem, but he is a
very Eminem is a very like amazing person, so I
wouldn't be surprised. I know jay Z does. I haven't
meditated with him, but I know he does. And you know,
there are all different ways. You know, sometimes just sitting
and visualizing and like seeing these things is a form

(01:07:06):
of meditation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
It could be your way.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
So you have to find out these ways that work
for you, just like therapy. It's like, I can't I
can tell you how therapy work for me, but you
may go to a therapist that isn't right for you
and be like, oh, therapy is whack. But that's not
that's just you know, a specific situation. A lot of times,
therapy for me has pushed me to the edge of
realization and has been the extra push that I needed

(01:07:30):
to Sometimes I already knew the answer, but sometimes I
needed to talk it through, and sometimes I needed to
really exercise, and sometimes I dealer something new that awakened
the truth in me through therapy and having someone that
I could confide and that wasn't a family member, that
wasn't a best friend, that I wasn't in a relationship with,
and was able to apply it to all of those

(01:07:52):
other relationships and in a very successful way.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean in the book you
talk about how I think it was like in twenty
six you said you nearly got addicted to adderall when
you were touring with Rihanna, and I was thinking, like,
how do you stop yourself like in that moment? What
was the habit or the tool or the practice was
it therapy was in meditation? What was it that helped
you recover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
From that man?

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
So, first of all, adderall is like synthetic, you know,
I don't know they say like heroin all these things, right, Like,
it's just a lot to it. And I'm really into
Eastern medicine personally.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
I used to have heart, a real bad heart problem
that I fixed through literally taking magnesium and some other
supplements that a doctor told me that I had to
get surgery for it. They told me they had to
cut my heart open and put a pacemaker in it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So when I started taking adderall, it's because I was
putting myself on a clock that didn't exist. I was
putting myself under pressure, and I was living in a
fear based way. And I started taking add of all
because I wanted to accomplish more. And it was very well,

(01:09:06):
it worked, but at the expense of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
So many things.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I honestly, the expense of like my like affecting my
soul and changing the person that I was and depleting
my body.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
It shut it off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
It creates synthetic dopamine in your brain, so it creates
all this dopamine, but your natural dopamine that is responsible
for your happiness, for your inspiration, your creativity, who makes
you who you are, it shuts off. It shuts it off,
and after a while you're kind of relying on this
synthetic dopamine only. And I remember as time went on,

(01:09:46):
I would go in the studio and I feel like
I couldn't do anything without it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
And that's when I knew I had a real problem
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
So I went cold turkey, And that is like that
was probably the second bout of depression in my life
that I went through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
That was like real.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
That's when I was like wanting to kill myself, Like
I was just like my mom was playing all these
tricks on me, right, And it didn't matter that I had,
like I would have had a big ass house in
Beverly Hills. It didn't matter that I had millions of
dollars in the account, And it didn't matter because as
great as a lot of those things are, they're still separate.

(01:10:20):
I'm wearing a Lincoln Parks shirts through you know, Chester.
I can't speak from God rest his soul, but like,
who would think that, Like, oh, that someone you know
who's one of the biggest rock stars in the world
and the band regardless of you know, what they talked
about their music, like would do that you know? Or
the delete you know, Kirk Cobain, you know all these things, right,

(01:10:41):
So it's because it's all separate, you know. And I'm
not saying that money can't make you happy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
I don't like when like people, you know, I don't
like when rich people get on Cameron be like, money
isn't everything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
It isn't everything, but it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
It's a resource that is very needed in every in
anything you need to do in this world. I agree
you need it, So it is important. It's very important.
I'm not gonna like sit in here and say it isn't.
But it was separate from what I had to deal
with at the time, So.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I went cold turkey and that's when I stopped everything
I was doing and I called my mom, who we
weren't on great terms, and she came out and was
in my house with me and entry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
My mom has always shout out my dad too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
My dad is with me today and he's like, man,
make sure you shot me out too, Like, yeah, i'mnna
shot you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Out too, Like my dad is great.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
But my mom at that point and those certain points
in my life, just a few key points, she knew
what she had a solution to offer me always and
I really appreciate that. It's something I hope to do
for my kid and kids. And she was like introduced
me to you know, she was who put me on meditation.
She just would always introduce me to certain things. Try this,

(01:11:56):
try this method. And then I started realizing how connect
the physical, mental, emotional, spiritual art, and I started working out.
I started prioritizing myself and started putting me first, started
reconnecting with things I wanted to do, started trying new things,
jumping out of planes I was doing, going to the
gun range, just trying things out that I was like, Hey,
that's interesting, let me try it. And it really helped

(01:12:18):
me reconnect with myself. I started watching anime again, and
then you know, I had to take a break from
the studio because I wasn't I couldn't think of anything,
and then I finally got back in and was inspired again.
And life is the greatest inspiration. But what I can
say is to people who are addicted to adderall and
like other drugs, that that synthetic high is very temporary,

(01:12:41):
and it said at an expense, And it's different when
people who have ADHD who necessarily need it. But there
are even other ways to deal with that. And I
guarantee you they will take less of your body. You know,
these things like when these prescriptions they mess up your kidneys,
your liver and as simple as that sounds, these your liver,

(01:13:03):
your gut, messing up your gut. Your gut is your
second brain. It dictates so much more than we've been
let on to know. I think that's why Roddy is
so you know, into the food, because it's not just food.
It's like it's it's it's so much more than that.
So I know I'm running on and on, but my

(01:13:24):
point is that it was very tough, but you get
through it and they're on the other side of it.
You You you come out as like a true champion
and you're the source of it. And there's no better
drug or high than being high.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Off life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
There is no better thing because you're the actual drug,
You're the actual source of it. It's not something you
have to take to get to there. It's like you
are and there's you'll be. You can soar, you can
go go higher than.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Yeah, real, How do you feel your grandmother would feel
reading this these pages?

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
My grandma was one of the first people to give
me a book of It was a book about King Solomon,
and that book changed my life. And it talks about
the strategies of King Solomon, how he had his ran
his business, how he strategized, how you know how King
Solomon he didn't He wanted wisdom. That's what he wanted

(01:14:27):
and that's why he was granted everything else. That's why
he was the richest man who ever lived, is because
that's not what he was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
He didn't seek the power.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
He sought the wisdom to help people, and God gave
him the resources by making him the richest man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
So anyway, you know, so my grandma, she was like
one of the first female black captains in World War Two.
She was one of the first like female police officers,
a teacher, a counselor. She was incredible, right, her and
my granddad met in World War two, and she was
the example of hard work, the example of nothing is something.

(01:15:04):
She lived on the street called out Her Drive, which
was that's where Marvin Gaye used to live when he
lived in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
It's like a real prestigious street.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
And I can imagine that that was like one of
her proudest accomplishments. So I really got loved for I
think she would read this book and be proud, you know,
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And I think that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
As a scholar, she would probably be like correcting some
of my grammar work and you know, things like that,
but she would be very proud. She was very strict
in a lot of ways, and she believed that education,
going to college was a way to a better life.
And I went a different way. I didn't go to college.

(01:15:44):
I was like when instead I went to the music
and she know I had respect for it because I
always had good grades. But even when I chose the
exact opposite of what she wanted me to do, she
supported me wholeheartedly. And I spent all the bonds she
saved up, all the money saved up for college, I
spent it all on studio sessions, and I can't imagine

(01:16:04):
how mad or how pissed off that might have made her.
But through it all, she supported me, and I just
appreciate it. She just shows me how much she valued family.
And I was able to buy a house for her
and my mom before they passed. She actually saw the
music payoff. And we used to watch all these Westerns
and Jeopardy and all these things. And I remember she

(01:16:24):
was watching Jeopardy and I was actually a question on Jeopardy,
and you know, I taught to her on the phone
and she was so like wow, like you know, and
it used to tear me apart when things weren't working
out and I was spending her money on the studio sessions.
And we would have Sunday dinner every Sunday and I
would have to go and sit there and she'd be like, well,
what's going on with the music? You know you need

(01:16:45):
to Why don't you just apply to community college? Like
you could have been halfway with a degree by now.
It's been two years. It's been you know, all this time,
and it broke my heart every Sunday, and I did
give up, you know, at one point, I did give up.
So at one point I was over it. I was
over music. It wasn't going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
When was that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
That was after I met Kanye.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, so you roped and then he didn't get in
touch with it for two years off there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah, and it was like a blank you know. And
I turned down my scholarships. I had a college. I
graduated school like a three point seven GPA. I was like,
you know, I had like a lot of academic scholarships,
all these things, and I turned it down and then
I was it was non responsible. But in hinds I
look back, he was blowing up in his own right.
He was busy. You know, it's not the same. You

(01:17:34):
only see things from your perspective, especially when you're younger.
And yeah, I just was like I felt like I
tried and gave it all I had.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
And I gave up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
And my mom, you know, who was a teacher as well,
she was the only one who was like, Yo, what
are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Come on?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
You know you you know you're you're registering for Come on,
you got it? Like, just keep going, you got it.
This is this is what you're meant to do. You
believe in and do it. And literally months after that,
that's when things started picking up, So it's like you
can keep digging and digging and digging in. Before I
struck the gold, I gave up. And that's what I mean.
I had those guardian angels around me to keep it going.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
One thing you spoke about that, you know, I'm really
sorry I had to go through it because I had
so many friends who've actually gone through it recently, which
is why I'm asking. But you suffered a miscarriage like that.
I've still got to so many of my friends who
are trying to have kids right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It's super common.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yeah, but it's like, that doesn't make it any better
right right now?

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
It does that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Yeah, so many of my friends have had it this year,
literally in the last twelve months, and yeah, it's and
it's hard. They're going through a loss, their partner's going
through the grief. But it's and like you said, it's
super common. But that doesn't make it any easier any
better when it happens to you, Right What was something
that really helped you through that experience that you think

(01:18:52):
could help others? What was it to help both of you?
Because it's a two way thing. It's not just about you.
A lot of our problems we're just persons ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Well, every situation is different, right, so to someone who
is experiencing miscarriages, and I can only speak from a
man's perspective, I can't speak for a woman who really
their perspective is the most traumatic. But I can say that,
first of all, you're worthy. I don't want you to

(01:19:21):
think you're not worthy. I don't want you to I
don't want people to think that because they have a miscarriage,
that they're inadequate, or that they're broken. I think that
this life is complex, and there are things we do
and don't understand, and I think there's beauty in everything
that's meant for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
And instead of trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Control exactly how you want your life to be, except
that it's going to be the life that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Is meant for you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
And you may get blessed with a child later on,
you may get blessed with a child that comes into
your life a different way. You may get blessed with
You have to keep your Sometimes we get so set
on a goal we don't keep the rest of that
of our doors open of how the universe will bless
us in that way to not only fill that void,

(01:20:12):
but even make it even greater.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
So I just want to, you know, keep an open mind.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
But you to anyone who does experience such an insufferable loss,
like you know, go through it, like express yourself, deal
with that grief, but don't let it consume you. You know,
sometimes you got to go through it just to get
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Yeah, for sure, No, I appreciate that matter. It's going
to help a lot of them. We've got two last
questions for you, Sean before we wrap. How do you
personally find the light in really dark times, Like when
you feel distracted from that spiritual light? What do you
do to reconnect well?

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
To find the light in really dark times? Sometimes you
have to realize that you are the light. But sometimes
you got to embrace the darkness. You ever noticed how
when you're in the dark for a long time, you
start to see better and things actually get lighter. For sure,
I think that it's a natural human instinct to like

(01:21:13):
go into a mode of like fear based and it's
like I need the light, I need the light.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Where's the light?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Instead of just accepting that you are for certain you
are you not only are you the light, that there
are is a darkness to you too. That's beautiful and
that you have to accept all aspects of yourself. So
you know, once you do accept it, I think it's

(01:21:40):
easier to find the light or be the light. I
think you know, once you really are comfortable in your environment,
you will find and see the way to wherever it
is you're trying to go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Absolutely great answer, last Querson, I want to ask you.
One of my favorite things you ask people to do
in the book, which I want everyone to do they
get the book, is list five miracles, yeah, that they've
experienced in their life. I love this idea because when
I read this, I was just like, oh my gosh.
If you actually stop to think about the miracles that

(01:22:13):
have happened in your life and to really take them
in and to really like embrace them and let them
pervade your entire being, you start believing in more miracles.
You start living in the miracle, because often it's so
easy to live in the negativity and to live in
the toxicity and to live in everything that's the opposite

(01:22:33):
of a miracle. What gave you this idea? Where did
it come from? And how do you live in the
miracle every day?

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I mean, what idea came from like when you highlight,
when you really recognize the miracles and you're kind of
supercharging them, and you always see more miracles. There are
so many miracles every single day. The fact that the
sun is at the exact right place, and the moon

(01:23:01):
is at the exact right place, and the oxygen is
at the exact right the thing that the fact that
we are orbiting is a miracle, bro for real, if
you think about it, because one slight thing, everything is gone.
You know what I'm saying, Everything is gone as shit fast.
So that's one thing. But for me, when you listen

(01:23:23):
to miracles that you experienced personally that impact you personally,
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
It breathes more so for me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Man, being on a pursuit of happiness and being able
to actually see my dreams come true to a level
is a miracle for me. Having this isn't an order.
By the way, having a sun is a you know,
that's a miracle. That's for real a miracle, because that's
like creating something out of nothing. Being able to man

(01:23:55):
waking up is a miracle. Everyone don't get to wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Man. Being able to set goals and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Pursue them, you know, not even necessarily check them all off,
but pursue them. Being able to eat food and let
it give me nutrition is a miracle, bro, you know.
So I'm not trying to just sit up here and
like be preaching positivity in that sense. But there are
so many miracles that happened there. I remember one time

(01:24:25):
I was down at the fireworks in Detroit and somebody
was firing a gun and I saw it and it
looked like I saw it and it went past me, and.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
It was a miracle. I didn't get hit by any bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
It was a miracle that when I got into a
car accident and told on my car when I was sixteen,
I was able to climb out of the window. I
couldn't even open the doors, and nothing was wrong with me.
I had a little bruise on the side of my pinky.
That was it. It's looked like somebody died in there.
There are miracles that happen every day that you may
not consider miracles that you have to recognize and you

(01:24:59):
don't even have to question in it. That just shows you, bro,
like you're here, we are in we are in it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I love that man. That was one of my favorite
activities and practices and I hope everyone has been listening
and watching today. If you do one thing to do that,
yeah for really spend time just mapping out your five miracles.
The book is called Go Higher. Five Practices for Purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
And thank you for writing yeah peace, thank you for
writing the Ford of course it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
No, just congrats to you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I'm really proud of you. I know. I was just
at your house like a few.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Days days ago.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
We loved it, eating some amazing food. You really are
an amazing person, not just on camera like some people.
You really are amazing on and off camera. Man, your
heart is big, is very inspiring.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
We have these in our fridge the best. I have
all your books on my shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I've read them and you know, just thank you man,
Thank you for being an outlet.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Thank you for being such a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Connection, especially between all of these amazing people and being
able to open up and be vulnerable. What I can
say is that to everyone watching, your product of your environment,
and you are the You are the chemist of your environment.
You have the power to change it in any given

(01:26:21):
time or moment. You know, if you're unhappy with where
you are, realize that you have the instant power to
change it. It all starts with the mentality first and foremost,
and that is like the key ingredient to making anything amazing,
you know. So I hope you guys realize that we

(01:26:44):
only have this moment. Anything you've done in the past,
you have to let go of. Anything in the future
can change. You know that you have an idea of
how it should be and that what else you know,
what are you going to do with the time you
got lift?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
It's up to you. Love that man.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Thank you for writing this book. The book is called
Go Hire Everyone. Go grab your copy, share it with
your friends, your family, people in your life. Are looking
for really insightful, simple wisdom that can create shifts in
your life, practical advice, practical stories as well. Sean, I'm
really glad you've done this with your platform because I
think that you know, it's very rare these days for

(01:27:27):
people to see what masculinity means. And I feel like
with you the strength and the vulnerability, which in one
sense of the one and the same, but I also
think they are different in that I think there is
a need to be strong, set boundaries, be to stand
up for yourself. These are all strength as well. And

(01:27:49):
then at the same time, the softness, the courage, the bravery,
the vulnerability that is too and so I love how
you put those both together. It was an honor to
write the forward for this book. Think a real like
you'd ask me to do. That was I was very touch.
You could have asked anyone. And I genuinely, genuinely hope
that people are going to pick this book up. And
I think people are going to hand it to their friends,

(01:28:10):
their family, people in their life. If you want this
year twenty twenty five to be a great year, yeah
you got to go higher. Yes, right, And so I'm
excited for you. I'm excited for this next chapter in
your life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Thank you, And I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Excited for how this book for many many years to come,
we'll have an impact on people, not just now, not
just this year, but for many years to come. People
will look back and say, I love do all the
music he wrote, but I also love that book he wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Thank you man.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
That means everything, and yeah, thanks for that allowing me
to communicate always. You know, communication, I always say the
communication is the bridge to salvation that God is holding
our hand to walk across. And just like any other bridge,
you can't skip a step to get to the other side.
So thanks for allowing me to communicate, and thank you
for communicating so well in your life is very inspiring.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
And yeah, I'll see you soon. Man, I'll come back
over for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Wait wait, I appreciate thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
That is part three.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
That is part three over three four coming, Part four coming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
You're the best man. Thank you brother, Thanks for being
that's a dear friend. If this is the year that
you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more,
I need you to listen to this episode with Rick
Rubin on how to break into your most creative self,
how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and
the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're

(01:29:32):
trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's
episode is the one for you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
of the value. That's the success comes when you say
I like this enough for other people to see it.

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