Bryan Johnson: New SHOCKING Science on How to Reverse Your Age by 31 Years & The Damaging Impact of 1 Bad Night Sleep

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you scared of dying?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
No? Yet, that doesn't stop us from speaking with unbridled
confidence on what will be and to me, it really
shows that we humans, we don't want to die. He
has spent millions of his own dollars to never die,
maybe even cracked the code that limits the human life
span and the King of Longevity, Brian Johnson.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
What drives someone to spend two million dollars to not die?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Let's just say we fast forward a few hundred years.
That's when humans figured out they were transitioning from die
to don't die. One night of bad sleep reduces your
NK cells by seventy percent. Your NK sales are was
killing cancer cells.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'd never heard that before.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
My grandfather was full of lead, my parents are full
of asbestos, and n I'm full of microplastic. We think
they're causing very serious health problems. It may be worse
than we think. I had this general idea that there
must be some system in place in America. They're like
watching out for us. Not true.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
What age are you predicting to live to the Number
one health and wellness podcast, Jay set Jay Sheeta Set, Hey, Everyone,
welcome back to On Purpose the number one health and
wellness podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every

(01:21):
one of you that keep coming back every week to listen,
learn and grow. Now, today's guest is someone who says
they're not going to let themselves die. Brian Johnson is
known as the world's most measured human. Brian spent four
years creating Project Blueprint, which is an endeavor to achieve
humanity and Earth scale cooperation within self. As a forty

(01:46):
seven year old, he has the metabolic health of the
top one point five percent of eighteen year olds, inflammation
sixty six percent lower than a ten year old, and
reduce the speed of aging by thirty one years. With
a lifestyle that costs him two million dollars annually. He
is the real life Benjamin Button. Please welcome to On

(02:07):
Purpose Brian Johnson. Brian, it's great to have you here.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, thanks for having me here.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah. I wanted to dive in straight away, and just
to ask you, what drives someone to spend two million
dollars to not die?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think it's very confusing to a lot of people.
I think when you read the headlines and you view
I'm just unintelligible by most people. And I think if
you look back, you know, let's just say we fast
forward a few hundred years and you live in the
twenty fifth century and you're reading the history books of
this time and place. I think it'd be pretty obvious
to them. They would say, like, oh, of course, that's

(02:38):
when humans figured out they were transitioning from die to
don't die. Like that's the big thing that they had
the technological and medical progress to say they could now
begin extending their lifespans to some unknown degree. So I
think it really just we're on this inevitable trajectory towards
radically standing how long and how well we can live.
And I'm really the forerunner in trying to start that process.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And how did you compute the amount of two million?
How did it get to that? Like what does that
involve and include to get to that level?

Speaker 2 (03:09):
So the two million is primarily spent on the research
and the measurement, and so the actual what I do
day to day is very low cost. I'd say the
majority people can afford it. Most things are actually free.
So a lot of people see that the two million
dollar headline and they think, oh, this can't be achievable
or reachable for me. But actually is. And so what
we did that was unique is when you're trying to

(03:31):
do something to improve your health and wellness, it's important
you can verify it does or doesn't work. Like if
you hear a story about doing drinking this kind of
drink is good for your health, it's a story until
you can measure it and say it has this kind
of change in the body and either change it increases
your biological age or lowers or do something else. And
so I became the most measured person in history, and

(03:52):
that's really expensive. So really the expensive portions have been
measuring every organ in my body. The actual protocols are
really low cost.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
What was the most expensive thing to measure?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It really is in chasing the cumulative measurement across the
entire body. For example, like I'm the most I've spent
more time in an MRI than anyone in the world.
I think this new technology called DNA methylation, you're looking
at these patterns of the body. I'm the most measured
person with that meeting inflation in the world. And so
like doing this consistently routinely, we do thousands of data

(04:26):
points a week, and so I think it's just all
these things adding up. It's just expensive to do the test,
analyze the data, continually have that process. We need like
a large team to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Do any of the measurement tools have adverse effects on health?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, MRI we think is very safe. Okay, Yeah, but
CET I've only did once. I just did a calcium
score and then we do blood draws. I've done a
ton of blood work. We did ultrasound on my veins
a while back, and to see if we have scar
tissue that have been building up because I've done so
much blood drop, we couldn't find any scar tissue. So
we do actively measure for negative repercussions of are we

(04:59):
met too much to the extent of damage, So like
we're even measuring measuring the measurement so in every way
we can possibly interrogate the body. We're trying to acquire data.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And how did you pick the areas to measure? Like,
how were you able to say these are the five eight?
I don't know how many. There are metrics that I
believe are the most important too, longevity, How do we
even know what are the things to focus on.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
We looked at every organ so if we have roughly
seventy plus organs depending on how you count, and so
you can say like I'm chronologically forty seven years old,
but that's not really a useful number. It's like a
general approximation. Then if you measure the heart, you can say, okay,
what is the biological age of the heart, And you
can then dissect that and say what is the structural
age of the heart, And then what is the functional

(05:43):
age of the heart. Like you can look at the
functional age of like what is the max heart rate?
You know, you can take two twenty minuture age roughly
for a rough calculation. Then you look at the valves
and you look at all the cell types and so
you can break each organ down into a different ways
to understand what is biological age. So for example, like
my heart art is thirty seven, my left ear is
sixty four, my diaphragm is age eighteen, And so you

(06:06):
can any part of the body, any organ or biological process,
you can assign an age score if you've got data
to show data to make that comparison.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Your left ear a sixty four, Yeah, walk me through that.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I shot a lot of guns as a kid, and
so I would aim the gun like this with this
left ear exposed sound this this ear is more protected
and then also loud music and so yeah, so this
is the thing. Is like now when I'm at social events,
I have this app on my phone decibel where like
last night I was at a social event and the
room was one hundred and five decibels, So anything over

(06:41):
eighty can cause hearing damage. So just in a social
environment with people talking at in a voice that's like
loud enough for the other person to hear, you've got
sustained ear hearing damage.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah. Interesting, I think it's something we don't realize. I
saw my mom lose her hearing in one ear and
the other one pretty weak. Yeah, and it's been really
sad to watch because it's completely changed her personality exactly,
and it's completely changed her ability to connect in a conversation.
She's super fun, she's bubbly conversated, but as soon as
she started losing her hearing and the hearing aid technology

(07:15):
is definitely not caught up with any of the technology
you're talking about. We got are the best ones that
I possibly could know about, and it's still so hard
for her to engage and it's such an underrated part
of human life, Like you don't think losing your hearing
maybe that impactful.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
It's huge, entirely true, and we've tried for the past
few years. So we take all these measurements and we say, like,
what is the biological age of blank organ? And then
we say, all right, now we've reviewed all the scientific
literature that's out there, how do you either slow down
that speed of aging or reverse aging damage. So, for example,
with my left ear, we've said, can you take my
left ear from age sixty four to age sixty three

(07:52):
and sixty two and all the way down to like
age eighteen, and so in that case, we've had no
success with hearing. There are a few stem cell therapies
are in research, but no effective treatments, so we've had
no success at all. So once you lose it right now,
it's gone. Whereas other parts of my body like my
speed of aging and my heart and my lungs, we've
had great success lowering that biological age if you look

(08:14):
at it anatomically or functionally, and so some things we've
had great success. But this is the point where when
people look at me and they say, you know, the
guy is so busy trying not to die. He's forgetting
how to live. And the flip side of that is
when you lose function, movement, eyesight, hearing, right, your life
begins to deteriorate two degrees like your mother saw, in

(08:37):
ways you can't even imagine. And so it really is
like this respect for our conscious existence and our biological capabilities.
And so really I think that's what I'm trying to do,
is that the new virtue is caring for our conscious
existence and not being whimsical and throwing it away with
behaviors that just are not necessary.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it. It's really interesting how
we judge intentionality and you only recognize how intentional you
wish you were when you lose something. And it's like that.
I think there's that famous quote that says the best
time to plant a tree was like one hundred years ago,

(09:16):
but otherwise it's today. Like the idea of like you're
just never gonna you will always feel you wish you
started earlier. Yes, always, yes, but that only hits you
when sadly, something really bad goes happen. Bad happens, and
then you're like, gosh, I wish I thought about this
when I was twenty five, twenty et cetera. Yeah, and yeah,
So I mean when I'm thinking about what you're saying,

(09:38):
what is there an age or damage level from which
there is no return? What parts of the body Is
there a specific age where you're like, if you're this
chronological age and your biological age of this body part
is this, it's over.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I guess this is I think the coolest question right
now is that in previous time periods, you were born
and you died in predictable fashion. There was nothing you
could do to stop the process. And so now what's
different is that we are making progress on age related
decline even before a baby's conceived. So now there's embryo selection, right,

(10:18):
so it's don't die as happening before conception. And then
recent studies have shown that you can take a mouse
and it's like last week of life and regenerate it
and double the lifespan of that mouse. And so we
have technologies that can extend life before conception, midlife, and
even at the end of life. And so now that
I'm saying this is really it's full spectrum that there

(10:39):
is no point of no return at this at this moment,
I mean in this moment, yes, but like increasingly it's
becoming this open question is there, And I think that's
the most interesting and exciting thing that my dad is
seventy one. I think most of his friends are just like,
we're getting close, it's almost time. But man, he's got
this ferociousness to live life that I'm really inspired by.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, that's brilliant. What age are you hoping or I
guess you don't have to hope predicting to live too.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I don't think that any human can say anything intelligent
more than one year from now, like we might. We
can say, you know, we think the Earth is going
to continue to orbit around the Sun with a certain
degree of stability in terms of like how long are
we going to live, how will cultural norms persist? What

(11:26):
will be normal will not be normal? I think given
how fast AI is developing, we cannot say anything intelligent
beyond a year.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right, But your physical self you still feel.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
That, Yeah, I mean I think that, Like if you
look at some of the best AI companies, like Dario
from Anthropical the to Day wrote this blog books where
he's imagining and I agree with him that it's possible
we make one hundred years worth of progress in the
next five years, that when we when to bring up
these new AI models, that we can do things that

(11:57):
otherwise would take us a hundred years to do. Now
that is mean that these therapies will be available overnight,
like we still have to go through the process. But
I do think that we are looking at this possibility.
So it's like when I say things like we may
be the first generation to not die, people are like stupid,
Like no, I get that from this vantage point, we
can't see how the pieces of the puzzle come together,

(12:19):
Like it's not clear to us which things do what
and when. But that's not the point. It's really you're
trying to pattern match large macro scale trends. And if
you say, how fast is intelligence moving and when you
acquire intelligence, what can that intelligence do on a macro scale?
I think it really is a robust hypothesis that we
may be the first generation is not.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Die And what kind of compromise do you think that's
going to take on a personal level or sacrifice? And
you may not use those words, yeah, but if someone
was looking at it and was thinking about it from
that perspective.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
If we just put this in context. Let's imagine you
and I travel back in time a million years ago,
and we're with homo erectus, and we say, home, Erectus,
tell us about the future of intelligent existence, like what
are we going to evolve into? Right now? Homo erectis
has models maybe of hunting, of like you know, weather patterns,
or of like danger, But homo erectus is not going
to be able to tell you that in this new

(13:12):
science field called biology, we're going to figure out that
there's molecules and we're going to or they're not going
to be able to tell you that in this new
world of quantum mechanics or in this new world of
silicon transistors. They don't have any models to articulate what
things could come about and why. And so they just
lack any models to articulate anything intelligent. And so I

(13:32):
wonder in this moment if we are just like homo erectus,
where if you say, like, what will the future bring,
what will the norms be, what will our proclivities be,
what will we want? We have no idea of we
don't have any models that help us understand. And so
that's why I think that if you want to be
a genius lean into that you probably don't know that

(13:55):
everything we think we have known is now going to
be called into question, and that the new genius is
leaning into the unknown.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, how bad was your health before all of this?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Awful? Like the worst. So I started entrepreneurship, as you know,
twenty one years old. I start building companies. And the
ethos is, you know, you would hear stories of like
so and so stayed up two nights in a row,
coding all night. They're amazing, they're a genius, they're so
you know, great, and so that story would be like
a status symbol, like they're important, they have power, you

(14:26):
should respect them. And those stories propagate that. Others are
like I want to have status when I want to
be respected and I want to do cool stuff. And
so you repeat these patterns of sleep deprivation and you know,
harming your health. Now, that's just foolishness, like that we
know from the evidence that you stay up for over
twenty four hours, you're legally drunk, like you're just as
intoxicated had you consumed, like you're a point zero alcohol level.

(14:48):
And so we've really bought into this myth. I did
in myself and so I ran myself ragged, like just awful,
terrible sleep, terrible diet. I was depressed for ten years,
So I was kind of obsessed with myself for ten
years and it was the most awful decade of existence.
So I was that was my starting point. And so
now I mean, I arguably have the best biomarkers of

(15:10):
anyone in the world. I've openly shared all my information.
They're publicly posted and arguably down the line like fift
ten to fifteen twenty measurements, and so it's been actually
really motivating that if you can start where I was
and then turn this hard, others can do the same.
So to me, it's been a really motivating experience that

(15:33):
the body is highly responsive to change.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Was there a diagnosis or a particular day or event
that happened that made you go, this is my turning point.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Like I grew up on biographies. I understand the world
to biographies, and I just love reading about people in
time and place who are able to snatch out of
the ether the future, Like the future is always present,
it's just that it's very hard to see, and then
over time we look back like, oh, of course that
was the future in that moment, and like a certain
people thought, And so I came obsessed with this question

(16:03):
at twenty one, like what is the future of existence
on a timescale a few hundred years into the future.
And I basically grappled with that problem for twenty plus years,
and I didn't know what to do. So I said,
I'm going to go be an entrepreneur. I'm going to
make a whole bunch of money, and with that money
that I'll try to do something interesting. So like it,
It's kind of been this like twenty five year long
journey for me to try to identify something that would

(16:25):
have the power of changing the course of humanity. And
just in the past twelve months, I think it finally
all came together.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
How old were you when you decided to make the
shift to say I'm going to start turning back the club?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So I was forty three. I'm not forty seven or
four years ago.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
So four years ago, right, And at which age do
you wish you started today?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I wish I would have been an embryo selected based
upon genetic markers woke me through that. Yeah, I mean,
like now, you mean when you're going through a fertility
you create a bunch of embryos and choose the best,
you know, like along certain dimensions. And you know, I'm

(17:05):
like most humans on the planet where I was just
born through the typical process of but now you can
really go in that earlier stage. And so I wish
it was happened before conception. And then I wish growing up,
you know, like my I grew up in Utah, which
was very much a culture of sugar, cereal, you know, soda,
excessive sun exposure without some protection, terrible sleep. Like, I

(17:28):
just grew up in a culture that was extremely destructive
to health and wellness. And so my entire life has
actually been in this American culture, and it's been really
and that I was consuming microplastics, you know, from like
the earliest days, like all of us have been. And
so I would say, yeah, I really wish it would
have started before birth, if if not before then, very
early in my childhood, I wish I wouldn't have been
consuming sugar and things like that, which really has those

(17:49):
have long term complications that we just I don't know,
I'm not sure we're fully aware of them.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, for those that don't know, walk us through the microplastics,
because I feel like that's been a trendy term right
now people are becoming more and more aware. Walk it
through for someone who's unaware of what's happening there.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yes, I mean like on a large scale, Like my
grandfather was full of lead, my parents are full of asbestos,
and nine full of microplastics. Right, Like every generation has
kind of had their environmental toxin. That has been a
very ascourage in the world now. Microplastics have been this
recent phenomena because plastics is a very low cost and
high quality material and so they're everywhere. And so microplastic

(18:28):
is less than five millimeters in length, and we get
them in our bodies either by inhaling them, by ingesting them,
or through our skin. Like in the average male testicle
there's eight point two milligrams of microplastics in the average brain.
There's fifty percent more microplastics now than there was ten

(18:48):
years ago. So it's increasing really really fast. And so
my company, Blueprint, we just launched the world's first at
home microplastics test, Like we're realizing that this is a
major problem. And the difficulty is we don't have any data,
Like no one knows what these levels are in their life,
and they Without that data, how do you know what
things are working? Like if you stop drinking water out

(19:10):
of plastic bottles, what happens, you know, Like what happens
if you change the clothing you wear, what happens if
et cetera, et cetera. And so, yeah, I have my
levels measured. My whole team did it. Mine came back
lower than anyone on my team. And we have reasons
why we think that's the case, but we're not quite sure.
So we're excited that we'll have the world's largest data
set of microplastics in the next month. And then as
a community, we can start saying like, now, let's all

(19:31):
start running these tests and let's build therapies so we
can start doing things to minimize microplastics in the body.

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And what are the adverse effects of microplastics.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Me For example, women that have higher levels of BPA
have or had fewer eggs retrieved. So it affects, you know,
very the fundamental processes of the body. It's been tied
to all kinds of things, neual degeneration all. I mean,
basically every health malady is potentially related to microplastics. Now,

(20:36):
like the science is still emergent and we're still figured
it out. But it's like, it's not a situation where
we're saying microplastics are a good idea and you should
consume more. It's a situation where like we are consuming
an enormous amount of them. We think they're causing very
serious health problems. It may be worse than we think.
So it's really an area that we need to understand better.

(20:57):
But I think minimization is probably the most important stepp.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
So what are three simple steps that someone could take
right now to minimize the influx of microplastics.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Water is one of the worst offenders, So don't drink
out of plastic water bottles. Number two is have a
water filter at home. So I have a reverse osmosis
system at my house. It's very good. Mine reverse osmosis
is the brand, A bunch of brands who make it.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Who do you recommend?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Mine's custom made. So I'm on my website. I have
my water filter system listed out of every component. So
if you go to blueprint dot Brian Johnson dot com
and my protocol, I haven't listed there. And if you're
in the United States, the guy who set it up
for me, I have his number and name. If you don't,
just call him. There's other systems that are better. They're
like comparable. They are like three hundred dollars. So it's

(21:42):
a very common technology. It's easily accessible. But have that
in your home. Is water filter because microplastics are in water.
And so that's why when people they say, like, well,
I get my food at a farmer's market, therefore right,
but they don't realize that the water that is, you know,
coming there too for the farm is like could be

(22:03):
filled with microplastics. So there's just there's no safe place
anywhere for microplastics. Number two is, for example, canned soups
in one study, they showed that a person who consumed
canned soup for one week increase their their levels by
twenty folds just in one week. Wow, gigantic. Yeah. Also

(22:23):
be aware of clothing, so try to use like hemp, cotton, silk,
et cetera. Use a hepa filter when you're vacuuming because
they can be airborne in the house. Don't handle receipts
that has a lot of plastic microplastics. Using cookware that
have the stainless still or cast iron instead of nonstick

(22:44):
is really helpful. But there's those are the kind of
the big ones to be aware. If you go through
your house environment, just say, like where is plastic? You
might find you have a plastic cutting board, you might
find you have plastic kitchen utensils, you might have plastic plates.
So just be plastic aware. Once you have that mindset,
you're going to realize that plastic is like everywhere, So

(23:04):
just slowly make progress and trying to replace that with
stainless still, aluminum things like that.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
What's fascinating is you have no idea how it's entering
the system. Yes, because it's not a physical, tangible experience.
You're not like feeling something.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Exactly merging into your skin.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, well becaus through the What I was thinking about
as you were talking, is this idea of what happens
to water in a plastic bottle versus a glass bottle.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, I mean you're getting leeching from the plastic. And
so I think the average plastic bottle has I think
two hundred thousand microplastic particles something like that, So it's
a very large amount. And so generally speaking, so I've
just made this rule. Like today, I brought my stainless still,
I just carried this around with me everywhere I go
as my primary container for liquid. But yeah, so just

(23:53):
try to avoid plastic as a water bottle generally. And
the thing is, like most more on a bigger scale,
the things which we can't see are now humanity's biggest threats.
Like we are we're evolved to say, is there a
lion in the bush or not? You know, we can
we sense it, can we smell it, can we see it?
Whereas now the dangers of like CO two build up

(24:14):
in the atmosphere. We can't see it, we can't smell it,
like we don't know it exists. So the only thing
we know how it exists. If we see like a
number on a screen that's like, this is bad because
in this number, we're like, what does that mean? We
can't see it. There's no real threat. The same as
true with microplastics. It's like this unknown threat, we can't
see it, we can't fill it. And so that's why

(24:35):
what I've been doing is I've been trying to say,
like we the reason when we measure everything is to
basically give your body superpowers of awareness. It's like, now
we understand, like what's happening when you ingest fast food,
we understand what happens when you ingest microplastics, what happens
when you ingest when you don't sleep well? Like you
see the whole system effect, and so it's really cool
in real time to see like actually, yes, like for example,

(24:57):
one night of bad sleep, can I think it's four
hours or less, reduces your NK cells by seventy percent.
NK sales and K sales always killing cancer cells. So
like your army of defense systems, like seventy percent of
your army is wiped out after one bad night of sleep,
and so it just has these really catastrophic effects.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I'd never heard that before, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, or like there's this thing called S one B,
and so you want these levels to be like in
between twenty one hundred minor six sixty three point eight.
When you don't sleep well, it's a toxin that gets
inside the brains. The blood brain barrier breaks down. When
you have a bad nights sleep. It's the same level
as a traumatic brain injury. And so like the body

(25:44):
is responding as though you had a traumatic brain injury
from one bad night sleep. So these things accumulate over time,
and that's why it's sleep is so critical. It's why
this culture of entrepreneurship is like, oh, sleep on you're
dead is so lethal to your wellness.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm so glad you're you're talking about it, and I
love the you know that idea that it's almost like
the worst prison that you can be in is one
where you don't know you've got handcuffs on. Yeah, like
you don't realize it. And I mean social media is
kind of like that, Like you're in this prison of
a world and you don't even realize you're being trapped.
And our health's the same way I was. My friend's

(26:19):
dad was in town from London, a couple of weeks back,
and he has this app on his phone that shows
the air pollution. I don't know what it's called IQ, right, okay,
And he had it on his phone and he lives
outside of the city of London, so he's not really
in the heart of London. And he said that pollution
score where my friend grew up, where my wife grew
up is around two. Like I think it's on a

(26:40):
scale of zero to one hundred unless I'm wrong. And
he did it here in la and it was sixty yes,
And I was like, I have no to me when
I wake up, I feel like the yeas Like, I mean,
everyone knows La is polluted, but I don't feel that
exactly right. I don't know that. Whereas like if I
go to a certain country in the world which is
known for its horrific pollution, I can somewhat tell the difference. Yeah,

(27:02):
But it was like I could tell no difference from
this between where my wife grew up in England, yet
exactly it's extraordinarily different.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, on the air pollution, I agree
with you. I live in la as well, so I
have a air measurement device in every room in my
house and filters, and so we measured the air quality
in every single room twenty four seven. So you're right, Like,
LA air quality is typically around the sixty mark, which
is like kind of bad. But my house it's perfect.
It's zero, And so I'm always aware of where the

(27:32):
air quality is outside and inside. So, yeah, I wish
LA had better air quality. I love LA for so
many reasons. I really wish the air quality was better.
But ye, I agree with you. It is a significant
health threat and it's not a good idea to have
a lot of exposure to that air.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
How do we go about purifying air inside of our homes?
Obviously we can't control the air in the city we
live in.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, there's there's quite a few filters. I'll get you
the names the ones I use. But I just have
one filter per room and it does a great job
taking down multiple contaminants. So if you're just mindful, like
for example, I'd never leave my windows open, so it's
always a pretty tight air block. I do go outside,
you know, when the air quality is nice. I try
it mindful. But also like if we're going to play

(28:15):
like basketball game with friends, I'll also do that, So
I kind of have like some flexibility, but yeah, you
can actually maintain near perfect air quality in the house.
And so if you go to my house, like I'd
love to have you come see it, Like it's basically
we have perfect water, perfect air. It's the optimal state
for health across all the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
And when you talk about water too, have you changed
the water you're showering in as well? Because I think
that's sometimes that's something me and my wife have been
talking about. We have a reverser as most this machine
for water that we drink. Yes, but recently we were
talking to a skin health expert and he was talking
about the water we showering having a different effect. And
I literally tested washing my face with the water I

(28:54):
drink and washing my face with shower water, and he
could immediately tell the difference using the tools and devices
he was measuring, just with how it affected my skin.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, yeah, that's very true. So we actually did the
same measurements where I took water that was from our
filter system and water tapwater, I put it into a
humidifier in my room, I turned it on, and then
I measured the air quality based upon humidified tapwater and
filtered water. The tap water set off all the alarms.
It was like danger zone, something bad is happening. So

(29:24):
we're doing the analysis now. But I agree like they'd
cause a lot of harm on skin inside the body,
so yeah, and they have to be practically managed.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah. What I find fascinating about so much of this
stuff is then you said you were going to India
soon and you'll see it there. Like when I grew
up and when I used to visit India when I
was young, and even when I lived there for some time,
we always use stainless steel to drink in like that
was the norm. And it's almost like now it's like
all these new you know, now everyone's using stainless steel
in the Western world. But now if you'll go back

(29:53):
to India, lots of plastic bottles everywhere. And so it's
such a like weird thing as to how we went
away from tried and tested wisdom that we already had.
Like in my home, every cup for drinking water growing
up would be stainless steel, Yeah, because it was the
Indian way to do it. And I always didn't like
it because I didn't like the clanging. It felt weird
because when I'm in a friend's house is they didn't

(30:13):
have stainless steel cups and things. It felt a bit
awkward and strange. Now when I think about it, I'm like, well,
that was the right way to do it.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, And somehow, somehow we went away from that because
I guess cost it was cheaper to produce, cheaper to scale.
I wonder how much human health has been sacrificed over
saving and making money.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's exactly I think. You know that is like the
biggest game in the world right now is capitalism. That's
what drives the majority of what exists in the world today.
Like religious hasher adherents doesn't really affect the effects of
capitalism all that much, right, It's a very moderate effect.
Capitalism is the absolute dominant effect in the world. It's

(30:56):
more sol than democracy, mor solinity, religion. It's the primary
game plane. So I think, yeah, and that's my primary
objective in life. Is I'm calling it a question that
the capitalism no longer answers the questions that are imminent
for us as a species.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's funny though, because a lot of people will say
that all of these new health trends are just disguised capitalism,
but they're really simple and accessible, like you're saying, like,
I loved how you started off by explaining that the
two million dollars isn't on the protocols, which we'll get to,
but the two million is actually on the research and
the measuring so that you can prove that the protocols

(31:30):
were exactly right, and so it's actually accessible to everyone.
But often people are like, like, I remember when when
celary juice was the thing which has helped me a
lot in my life, for sure, at least from a
story anecdotal point of view. But I remember one being like,
oh my god, they're just trying to make money off
of salary farms. And I was like, I don't know.
I don't think everyone. I don't think there's one person

(31:50):
that owns every salary farm, so I don't think that's working.
What's your take on that? If that'sn't making any sense?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, it does. Yet when I entered this world four
years ago, I thought there's so many patterns that were
similar to religion, where like you take the King James
version of the Bible and you can support one hundred
different denominations. Right, they all fight like we're the true
religion because like the scripture, that scripture. So then you
walk in the world, you're like, how do I even know,
like what's going on? It's all in the same book.
And so health and wellness was very similar. If like

(32:16):
take your guru, take your chrismatic personality, and like do
this thing. And we wanted I wanted to say, like
we're going to be strictly science and strictly data and
we're going to open source publish everything I do. There's
no gatekeeping involved here. And so that's what we did.
I think the card that uniqueness is that we just said, like,
we don't care about story, we just want to see
the data.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
So I think that's really been successful is that we
are impartial. We don't care what the answer is. We
just want it to work.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, and you're doing it to yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, so that's the greatest test. So, yeah, your sleep
score has been one hundred percent for the last eight months.
What does that require?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I mean I wanted to, like Amelia Earhart flew a
plane across the Atlantic, you know, people went to the
top of Everest, went to the bottom of the ocean.
Shackleton was trying to I was like, what would a
modern day explorer do? Like, what is like an epic thing?
I thought, no one has shown, no one has mastered
sleep in human history, right, Like we have no quantify
like a gold medalist of sleep. There's no like world

(33:12):
record of sleep. And I thought, I'm going to set
a world record of sleep. And so eight months of
perfect sleep, and I wanted to demonstrate you can achieve
high quality sleep every single night if you try it.
And so I rebuilt my entire life around it. So yeah,
I mean I became the world's best sleeper.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
And what does that require to become the world world's
best sleeper?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I mean, really, five simple things which everybody can do.
It's so funny. I tried hundreds of things and I
just landed on five. So one is you have to
reframe your identity that you are a professional sleeper. So
just like you take your professional job seriously, you show
up on time, right, you learn, you grow, like you
have a lot of self respect on what you do.
The same matrure for sleep right now, Like we sleep

(33:51):
when it's convenient, or when we're done watching our show,
or when we're finished like having friends over. But sleep
is actually a profession like, you need to become really
good at it and respect it. Number two is the
last time of the time of your final meal to
day is really important. So at least two hours before
you go to bed is your final meal. Then start
three hours before and then four and five. MINEU is

(34:12):
currently nine hours before, So I go to bed at
roughly eight thirty. That's not true. I go to bed
at eight thirty on the dot. So then my last
bill of the day's around eleven thirty am, And so
I do that, and my resting heart rate at that
point is forty four. And when my resting hertbry's forty four,
I'm guaranteed to have a perfect night sleep. If I
eat two hours for bed, my resting herbay is going

(34:33):
to be like fifty six because your body is still
working hard to digest, and that will reduce my sleep
quality by thirty five ish percent. Just like clockwork, it's
very predictable. So last meal to day and then what
you eat is really important. If you have like a
big pizza or pasta or breads or alcohol, you're going
to disruptive sleep. So final meal, eat earlier and lighter,

(34:53):
and the right kinds of foods. Three is you want
to be aware of light, so knock out blues no
screen time time. There's an app called flux Flux that
knocks out blues on your screen even before that last minute.
So an hour before bed, no screen time, take lights
down in the house, and then also use red lights
amber lights. Four is consistency. So whatever your red time is,

(35:16):
it's ten thirty be in bed plus or minus thirty
minutes every night. Now, if you want to get more precise,
like five minutes, that's kind of hard for some people,
but thirty minutes is a pretty good one. Your body
will give you a super power of assistance if you're consistent.
Like when I was going to bed on time, when
I do my eight months of perfect sleep, I was
in bed plus or minus one minute of my bedtime,

(35:37):
and my body would when I eight twenty nine would arrive,
my body would just like knock out. It was unreal
how powerful my cycle was. So if you can harness
that consistency, your body will be more powerful than any
sleep pill, any other intervention. It's really good. And then
the fifth, and this is really important, is a wind
down routine. So one hour before bedtime, you switch from

(35:58):
work mode to sleep mode. And so it's really a
mind game because when you slip into your sleep mode
one second later, your brain's gonna say, oh, what about
this idea or what about this concern? Or what about
this problem or what about this thing I forgot to do?
And your body, your head just gonna your mind's gonna
pin you with all these things. You'd have to say like,
thank you ambitious Brian for the new idea I what

(36:21):
to do. We really appreciate you. You're doing a great
job in life. Also tomorrow we have all day long
to address this. Right now we're in sleep mode, so
I do this self talk, you know, like, oh, you
had this conversation today when you're with Jay, you said
this thing. You probably offended him. Now he probably don't
want to hang out with you anymore. You're like, you
have to cycle to all these all these anxious thoughts,

(36:42):
and so you have to do this self talk and
be like I hear you. It's okay, I've heard your concern.
Because what you're trying to do is when your head
HiT's a pillow, you want to be somewhat reconciled with reality.
Otherwise you're going to all night long, just loop through
those thoughts all night long, and you'll be in light
sleep and you'll just be in the same fast space
and you're missing your deep in your rim. So so

(37:03):
then the white everteen you switched to sleep mode. But
then you also want to do things like read a
book or for a walk, do breath work, meditate, you know,
have a nice conversation with a friend, like don't fight
with your partner in that window, like don't create in
a rousing situation. So those five things will give you
the best sleep of your life.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, it's almost like we wait for our head to
hit the pillow to reflect on the thoughts that we
didn't choose to reflect on before we got into bed
because we don't have that reflection time before getting into bed.
Because that's what I was going to say. I think
for most people, they can get into bed, but then
they sit there for an hour's worrying and stressing and
they're feeling anxious or nervous or overwhelmed. But you're saying

(37:44):
that's going to happen. You just got to do that
before you actually get into.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Bed, exactly, like you have to go through this decompression time.
You kind of have to let yourself like air out
all of its grievances, all of its ideas, like all
of its reconciliation, and you have to talk to you,
like talk through it with yourself, like hey, Brian, like
and be soft like I hear you like and it's okay,
like tomorrow we're all right. But otherwise, yeah, you're right,

(38:09):
like you really people most people think you lay down
and that's the time to do the reconciliation and it
just leads to disaster. But there's like there's five metrics
to pay attention to or I guess four, your sleep
is good if when you if your head is on
the pillow, you're asleep within a few minutes. If you're
longer than that, then you need some work. Two is
you want to be up less than thirty minutes per

(38:29):
night total, So if you're up for one bathroom break,
you know, back to sleep quickly. Three is like roughly
two hours of rim, roughly two hours are deep. There's
variance there. People are different on that one, but like
those are roughly the sleep stats. If you're in that category,
you're like early twenties, like in your sleep quality. As
you age, it's harder to get sleep, And that's especially
true for women. They have to spend much longer time

(38:51):
in bed than men do. So it's really important these
habits you cement otherwise like you're really fighting against multiple fronts.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
And do you think for people who are waking up
often when they're asleep, or and they're awake for longer
than just a few moments, what should they be looking at?
Like what metrics should they be pushing towards to be
like that's what's causing it? How do they deduce that?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Sometimes it's the last mill of the day, So if
their bodies agree, they'll robustly digesting. Then you have you Basically,
you'll miss your deep because when you go to sleep,
you fall into a deep sleep window very quickly, and
then if you miss it, you can't get it. So
last week I was at a conference and everyone went
out for this big party, and I wanted to try
to accommodate, like I wanted to be with everyone, So

(39:34):
I went to bed at seven pm. I woke up
at nine pm, so I got my two hours of
deep sleep. Then I went out with everybody. We had
a great time. I came back home, I went to bed.
I think at one or two, and then I got
my remaining six hours of rem you know, I get
two hours of rim but six hours of sleep, and
I still had a great night sleep and I felt
wonderful the next day. But if you wait and go

(39:54):
to bed like at midnight, for me, I would just
miss my deep sleep. It would be gone. And so
like I'm trying to like functionally be adaptive to societal
norms while it was still logging in those metrics. But yeah,
you have to be mindful of like if you build
your life around it, then you can make these adjustments.
But you really have to make a professional effort to
do this because it takes like structurally, just get it

(40:17):
right and then you'll win.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I feel I feel a big difference. So I'm
pretty disciplined in my sleep times as well, have been
for a long time. I maybe haven't measured it for
as long, but I'm thankful and grateful to have great sleep.
But the I found that when I'm sleeping after midnight,
it doesn't matter how many hours I sleep for I
never feel as good in the morning exactly. It's so significant.

(40:39):
Why is that what's happening when we're sleeping consistently after
eleven PM or midnight, what's actually happening.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I mean, your body has a production line, so like
you have a rhythm and you can get your deep sleep.
So if you go to bed at ten thirty, your
deep sleep's going to happen between ten thirty and twelve thirty,
may have a bit more deep sleep, like a two
or three in the morning, but the majority is gonna
be front loaded. So if you miss that front window,
you just miss it and you can't pick it up.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Why is that front window so much more important than
the later window.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, because you have a few sleep types. You've got REM,
you have deep, light and deep. So many restorative processes
are happening in REM. You've got a bunch of memory,
reconciliation and whatnot, but deep you just have this restorative
building process. So you basically miss out on all those
sort of processes if you miss it, which is why,
like the brain hurts when you don't get it. You

(41:34):
can't do like garbage collection, Like you miss the garbage truck.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
What about Oh yeah, that's a great way of looking
at it, To miss the garbage truck. That's I've never
heard that. I've heard the dishwasher analogy before, but the
garbage truck one's even better. Actually, Yeah, the idea that
if your garbage didn't get picked up and it's still
outside your house or your apartment or.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Even in your home, you're stuck with it the next day.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
That's pretty terrible, and you struck with it for another week.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, exactly, no one, no one's coming.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
No one's coming to correctly, that's great, and yeah, that
feels really really true. And I feel like what we
don't realize because we often say I know so many
people who say, but I do my best creative work
at night.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I know a lot of people who say, oh, yeah,
but I need to go to that party or whatever
it is right, or I feel left out or fomo
or whatever it is, or people who just go, yeah,
I just can never get to sleep, So what's the point. Yeah,
And what would you say to someone who says any
one of those three?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
So I've learned to be in doing this for four years,
I've learned to be very humble. I don't know how
much we know and how much we don't know, like
if it maybe, for example, like we actually know two
percent of what we will know in ten twenty thirty years,
and so we're very humble, Like for example, I am vegan,
i'm color restriction, and yet you know if you hear

(42:45):
those stats, and I also do low protein, and so
if you hear those stats, the cultural norm would be like, oh,
he for sure is broken, weak, not capable, not athletic,
not strong. But in every category, like my cardiovascro fitness,
my actual physical stresin all my metrics are top one percent.
And so we've defied the cultural norm of what is

(43:06):
good health, how you achieve good health. And so I
know this is probably true for others as well. Is
many of the things we believe are probably not true.
And so I'm soft also that I've learned that people
have a justification for everything. There's just no way around it.
That's that's humans. And so I don't try to resist it,

(43:29):
just say, like, great, do your thing. Just measure your data,
because we know the stats, like for example, if you're
not sleeping well, your other marketers are going to be off,
like your SB one hundred, like all these different all
these markers are going to be off. I invite just
look at the data.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
What are the data driven insights of poor sleep? Like,
what really is going to happen to you? You already
taught us what happens after one night of sleep? What
does it look like when you have seven nights seven
months of.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Bad I mean, like if you notice, like I did
this my company kernel, we built this brain interface, this
wearable e fhimri, and we were measuring the effects of
my brain of willpower with deep sleep and without deep sleep.
So with deep sleep, my willpower was significantly high. Without
deep sleep it significantly dropped. And so like if the

(44:19):
next day, after deep sleep, you're trying to decide do
you eat the brown or not, do you work out
or not? Do you have a drink or not? Like, right,
the chances of you caving in that moment are significantly
higher if you've not had deep sleep. So then it
has this cascade effect. So if you don't sleep, then
you're also going to this bad thing, which also leads
to poor sleep, which also leads to doing more bad things.

(44:39):
So it has this domino effect where it really cements
bad habits and it becomes harder for you to come
out from underneath it of actually making meaningful change.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I can so relate to that idly again, I see
myself craving sugars when I've had bad sleep exactly, And
when I haven't and I've worked out and everything, I
feel great, Yes, And as soon as a bad night sleep,
the next I know, all I want is some sugar
and stay anyway to get through. And you're so right,
it's just a repeating cycle exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
It just devastates your willpower and like all these other
cascading things. And so that's why, like I think in
even like five or ten years, I think that health
is gonna it will become the zeitgeist. And I think
we'll look back and we'll be like, what, like we
used to just sleep depart ourselves and we had no
idea what it was doing for these follow on effects
like I wanted to Actually, what I like to do

(45:27):
is tie sleep to IQ. You don't mess with someone's IQ, right, Like,
if you can show that IQ drops post a bad
night's sleep, it basically decimates these ideas of like genius
person does blank without sleep. So the ultimate argument is data.
So it's the study I want to do is take
these patterns, measure IQ throughout the day, and if you

(45:50):
can show that drop, like there's very few things that
will be more effective than showing that you basically become
dumb when you don't sleep.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to find a way
of convincing people. Yeah that sleeps a good investment. And
it's hard, right because it almost feels like I think
we don't look at a part that part of our
health as something we can be good at. Yes, and
that's why your whole idea or becoming a professional sleeper,
like I think we do think about, oh I want
to be a professional runner, I could be a professional bodybuilder, Like,

(46:18):
these are parts of our health that becoming good at
seems aspirational exactly. But becoming a good sleeper, or even
becoming a good meditator to some degree, aren't seen as
professional accomplishments or pursuits because they don't have this competition,
and nor should it be a competition. I don't think
it needs to be. But this idea of competing against yourself,

(46:38):
which is what a sleep score is, yes, seems like
the healthiest way.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
To do it, exactly. I did this as well with
so when this endeavor went viral, people were confused, and
so I got a lot of name calling. So people
be like, you're an eccentric billionaire, rich Patrick Bateman, Prometheus,
you know, like all the possible things they could call me.
And so they were just confused. And so I say, like, okay,
Lebron James spends one point five million dollars a year

(47:03):
on his health, right and you see him play in
the court. You're like, good job, Lebron, Like you're doing
a good job. But someone like myself, if you've worked
really hard at health and wellness, I'm weird in an
outcast and should be an eccentric. And so I had
to clarify for people that actually I'm a new category.
And I came up with this idea that I'm a
professional rejuvenation athlete. It's a new sport, it's a new game.

(47:24):
And they created a leaderboard so looked at speed of aging.
So there's a clock inside of our body that tells
you how fast or how slow you're aging. And then
I said, all right, world, let's compete, because right now
you have like all these health gurus who are saying
like do this, do that, but how do you know
what thing works? And so I was like, all right,
just show us your data. So now we have a
liderboard and so same thing. Just like a professional sleeper,

(47:44):
there's now a professional Reuvenian athlete and we have a
lider board. People compete, So it's like it helps humans
understand what the game is and how to win and
how score points.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, and I think we underestimate how much we do
function like athletes. Like athletes are playing or four big
games a week if you're playing basketball, if you're playing soccer,
it's probably like two to three American football. I don't know,
maybe it's a game a week or a couple of
games a week. But it's like we don't realize, like
that tough conversation at work, that presentation at work, that bed,

(48:16):
that sale, like whatever, it is, like all of that
is taxing us in a different way. Like we're not
pushing our bodies that far, but we are pushing our brains,
We are pushing our guts, we are pushing our minds.
And I wanted to talk to you a bit about
food because you brought up a few interesting things. They're
about eating that much earlier before bed. But I wanted

(48:36):
to start with the low protein. So I'm vegan too,
so that's why I was listening to So I was
like I'm vegan to measure caloric intake, but hearing you
talk about being low protein, that's something I'm always told
to do the opposite for, So walk me through that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, what's your protein intake?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
So I've been told or I've been told to try
and do like my body weight, right, and so that's
impossible for me. My gut doesn't not enjoyed that, And
so as I tried to increase my protein intake, I
found that it was harder and heavier on my gut.
If I'm honest right now, I'm probably doing like eighty
grams of protein a day, and that's good if I

(49:13):
get there like realistically and my gut can handle that.
Whereas I saw my gut health struggling as I tried
to get to one hundred and twenty grams of protein
one hundred and forty.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, yeah, I'm in the same range. So I'm roughly
one twenty so I weigh one seventy four. Yeah, And
so I say that's low protein. So it sounds like
for where you're at, that's about where you're at. But
most men I know are typically in like the two
hundred and two fifty range. They have an idea that
just there's no upper bound of too much protein and

(49:44):
so they just pound it. And so, yeah, I guess
my one twenty is generally speaking, on the lower side
of how most men think about protein assumption, right, especially
with an hour every day working out, it's like a
really rigorous schedule, so most people just assume you have
to have more.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So I'm I'm vegan, I work out an hour every day.
But yeah, just when I was being told to eat
like one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy grands of protein,
I couldn't go beyond one hundred. I was like, my
body just does not like it. Yeah, and I'm about
to destroy my gut to try and get a protein goal.
But then my gut help's going to suffer.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah. Yeah, So we look at it. So we say, like, basically,
you can look up blood biomarkers and say, because once
you get too much protein it has a negative effect
on the body, you can tease out those biomarkers. But
then we've used MRI to say what is my total
muscle mass, what is my fat, you know, liver fat
like throughout So for example, on my latest MRI scan,
I'm in the top one percent for ideal muscle and

(50:40):
fat and so by every marker, and then my cardiovascular fitness,
I've top one point five percent of eighteen year olds.
So like that's the end point. So if you say
what is the protein intake, it's not solely based upon
a dietary recommendation. It's like what is happening in the body,
and what is my muscle status, what is my cardiovastrostatus,
what is my energy? And so like those the endpoints
where again you move away from story and you move

(51:03):
to data and let data resolve the debate.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
What's what's your body five percentage right now?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Around ten?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Okay? And it was that a goal you had.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
It was like an approximate goal, but we were really
trying to say, if you're taking every organ in the body,
we're trying to make every organ in my body age eighteen.
That's kind of a ridiculous idea in this moment, but
it may not be in five or ten or fifteen years.
We've been successful in slowing down my speed of aging
and then reversing the biological age of semi organs, not

(51:32):
all like, for example, my left ear. It's really this
methodical progress to say, can you measure age and then
move the organ back.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And from a diet perspective, what helps you get to
age eighteen?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, we've tried to construct a perfect diet, so every
single calorie I consume has a specific objective if it
doesn't achieve a goal, Like we've basically tried to just
stack superfoods across the board. And so there's nothing I
eat which is like cool or fun or culturally in.
It has to have rigorous scientific evidence and we have

(52:04):
to measure in the body that's actually working. And so yeah,
I eat a lot of broccoli, cauliflower, lentils, pea protein, hemp, protein, berries, nuts, seeds.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Could you walk me through your exact meals like a
rough day, because I'm going to try mirror these meals.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, so my first meal the day is called super
veggie and it's a broccoli, cauliflower, black, lentils, ginger, garlic. Yeah,
that's the first mill, and the second mill is called
nutty pudding, which is macadamia nuts, walnuts, flax seed, pomegranate juice,
some berries and p and hemp protein. And the third
mill the day varies every day, so it's like some

(52:43):
vegetables some berry nuts seed, but a total of two thousand,
five hundred calories. And then I do one tablespoon of
extra version olive oil with each mill so I do
three tablespoons a day. Yeah exactly, yeah raw, so I
never cooked with it. And then I do college in peptides.
So that's the only thing that's non vegan is the
collagen peptides, and it's two thousand, two hundredfe Oh. They
also do some cocoa, one hundred percent pure cocoa, six

(53:05):
grams a day, and then I take around fifty pills.
So there's no diet, no vigan diet, no carnival diet
can satisfy the body's entire needs. So you have to
supplement if you want to be ideal, and then if
you want to be on the frontier of like really
slowing down your aging and robustly addressing the body's needs,
you need to supplement. Some things just cannot be acquired

(53:27):
through through diet, and so these are like this is
just scientific fact. It's very hard to have this conversation.
Like the moment you bring up diet, people just go crazy,
like war breaks out between the vegans and the carnivores,
between this and that. It's just so I just I
don't talk about it much because people get so triggered

(53:47):
by it, and so I just try to like say,
like do your thing, like whatever it is, do your thing,
just measure and then follow your market.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
It's like no processed foods, no packaged foods, that you're
not eating anything out of a packet scene.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, I mean actually all blueprint food. So basically when
I started doing this, we started measuring everything I was consuming,
all foods, all supplements. And as you might expect, these
supplement labels are not accurate, companies are not truthful, and
the food is terrifyingly toxic. Like we know the food
systems thirty but I had this general idea that there

(54:21):
must be some system in place in America. They're like
watching out for us. Not true. So unless the food
is killing you on the spot, there's like this gray
area of like kind of just do whatever. And so
we're finding these foods that I was eating, we're very toxic.
And so we basically spent the past year sourcing food
from all of the entire world, the very best foods,
lowest levels of toxins, and so we've made it out

(54:43):
into a product. People are like, I want to do this,
but it's way too complicated. So we just made it
easy for everybody. But it's like, I think we've created
the most scientifically robust product out there, plus the cleanest
all third party lab results posted.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
So wait, what can people buy? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So this is my company blueprint?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
So yeah. When the company went viral diluin this endeavorment viral,
people are like, love it. I want to do it,
but it's way too hard, Like no way can I
put this all together? And so I thought, Okay, I'll
do it. So we put together the whole thing in
this low cost, easy to consume package olive oil, protein
eight pills a day, and then a bunch of other stuff.

(55:20):
But we're trying to basically say, like you can get
every calorie you need from us, got it? And so
we're trying to do most scientific scientifically rigorous and cleanest
and then transparent like here the lab results. So I
think we've built the best thing in the entire world.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
And you don't think that's different from getting your calories
from whole foods and real foods.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
You can Yeah, so I eat whole foods down.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
That right, right, right, so this is more of like
a supplementary package. It's not a replacement meals.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I mean so like protein. The protein is a
replacement mill. Yeah, it's like you need to get P
and MP protein somewhere.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Yeah. And what does your supplement intake look like? What
I You said fifty pills? I do.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, but the our blooeprint stack has eight. So it's like,
if you want the best longevity stack in the world,
we've put together eight pills.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
And what do does eight include?

Speaker 2 (56:11):
About sixty two or so health actives. So they're some
of the best molecules known to anti Asian science for
the body.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Amazing. I can't wait to try it out.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah. Yeah, I brought it here for you to day.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Oh very cool. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah,
looking forward to it. And wait, so wait, what time
are you eating then? Because if you're finishing me at
eleven thirty am, what time are your meals?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Six am is my first meal and then I finished
by eleven to eleven, So you.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Eating everything within five and a half hour. What does
that do to the.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Body so far? The data says it's good. Like if
you look at my speed of aging or any of
the marker in my gut, it seems all fine. So
I really this protocol is built around sleep more than
anything else.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Do you have any cheat days or any.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I don't know one. No. Now, the idea of eating
a piece of pizza or a whole pizza, or like
a donut or something just makes me sick because I'm
going to do it. There'll be like five seconds of
maybe enjoyment, and then you've got like an entire day
of misery. You feel sick, you feel lethargic, your sleep

(57:19):
is going like I've just ruined my sleep. I thought
awful about myself, Like the cost is so high, I
just don't want to do it. The other day, I
ate a potato chip. My friend was like, just have one,
and it tasted like gasoline. Like I'm so surprised, Like
we're just so normalized this these processed foods. We can
no longer taste it. But it was just wild to

(57:41):
go back in time and experience it new.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
It is interesting how quickly your taste buds rewire. Yeah,
when you kind of disconnect from some of these foods.
I've definitely done like long refined sugar free fasts for
you know, I don't know the longest one I've ever done,
but definitely a few months. Yeah, And I feel like
after that, as someone who grew up addicted to chocolate,

(58:04):
what you were talking about when you grew up in
a family where yeah, sodas and drinks, it was like
for me, I grew up in a family where all
we ate was chocolate all day. And so for me
to go back to there are days when I'm like,
that does not taste anywhere near as I thought it
was good? Is it was going to taste? Something that
I loved and adored before has kind of lost it.
And you just notice how quickly do you have any

(58:24):
day on how quick it takes to rewire your taste once?
Because I feel like that is such a interesting feeling
because now it's not like you even fighting it, Like
you said, when you taste you're like, god, I didn't
even want that. That's a really fascinating place to be at.
So have you seen any day on how quick we
can rewire our taste works?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Within days?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Days?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Is very very fast.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That's that's the thing about being human, is like if
you take any given circumstance and you say, like, what
do I abhor? What do I What am I repulsed by?
What kind do I find unimaginable? What? You know, take
any kind of vector or and you imagine that that
is an impossible thing for you to be or do,

(59:05):
and then if you actually got in that circumstance and
you did it for a few days, you may find
yourself renormalized to the exact thing you just found unimaginable.
Like we humans can adapt to anything and almost instantaneously.
It's just crazy and so like most of the time,
the realization is just like we're trapped in this idea

(59:26):
that we found how somehow found truth and that anything
else is non true is not truth. But like it's
like we can adapt to any reality like that. It's
like we've seen that again and again.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
So do you Are you someone who gets stressed if
you walk into the room and you sense that the
moistures off or the air qualities off, or you ate
something like, how do you react to that?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I've had enough cycle times now with measurement where I
can feel things intuitively. I can feel my HRV. I
absolutely know my heart rate at any given moment. Yeah,
so I definitely my sensory awareness has dramatically increased.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
And then how do you react to that because you
can't control the humidity in every room or wherever you are, for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Example, Yeah it's okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Right, yeah, yeah, So you're not you're not. You don't
you're not like, oh my god, like this is gonna
set me Like, you don't you don't have that reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I'm playing the power laws. So that's why, like last week,
when being with friends, I wanted to try and new think,
go to bed early, get your deep sleep, stay up
and have fun. If you go back to bed, like
it's okay. So really trying to be adaptive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So I love that. Let's talk about that because I
think that what's interesting is to live a highly intentional life,
but then to be adaptable and know where the wiggle
room is. Yeah, that seems like a great way to live,
and it also seems like something that isn't usually possible.
What we usually see is and this isn't just to
do with health, but with anything. We usually see people

(01:00:51):
who are control freaks. We're like, everything has to be
super controlled, and as soon as one control is off,
they freak out. And that's not a great way to live.
Whether it's business, health, marriage, whatever it may be. Or
you see the opposite where someone has no rules whatsoever,
They just do what they want when they want, and
life kind of goes on and we all know where
that ends up. So how have you managed to create

(01:01:13):
that mindset that allows you to have space, have time
and then live a really regimented, discipline life because I
like that a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I mean my mentality is that I'm really motivated by
being respected by those that exist in the twenty fifth century.
Like when they read about this time and place, I
would like them to say that I saw something that
was invisible that was incredibly hard to do, that the

(01:01:43):
predictable pushback from the status quo was pretty violent, and
so I'm really trying to demonstrate the future of being human.
I'm not trying to be normal. I'm not trying to
bow the status quo. I'm not trying to fit in.
I'm not trying to soothe. I'm trying to say the
speed at which technology is traveling, we're basically probably evolving

(01:02:07):
like you know, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty fifty years
equivalent in months of time, Like our speed of evolution
is increasing rapidly and so I'm trying to anticipate where
we want to be and not be a lagging indicator
of status quo. And so in my mindset, I really
don't care what anyone right now who lives has to

(01:02:29):
say about this. I don't. I just really am entirely
in that future headspace. And so that really I find
to be liberating, because like so much of our society,
you're tethered to social expectation and the punishment of what
a company's violating that expectation, and I just found it.
I had to come up with a mental model to

(01:02:50):
like try to fully explore this without that tethering.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Are you are you scared of dying? No, what's your
relationship like with death? What are your thoughts about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
For me, it's kind of an interesting conversation because we
humans do not know what happens after death. No one knows. Now,
you can imagine what happens, you can tell a story
about what happens, you can hypothesize what happens, like all
those things are true, but it's an unknowable thing. And

(01:03:21):
yet that doesn't stop us from speaking with unbridled confidence
on what will be. And to me, it really shows
that we humans, we don't want to die, like desperately,
we do not want to die, and we want to
try to address this omnipresent concern of what exists after life?

(01:03:43):
What is death? And so I try to be very
sober minded to say like, I don't know, and no
human knows. Therefore, the thing I value most is that
that existence is the highest virtue. Whereas before be when
death is always inevitable, you just naturally soothe yourself with
these stories. And what I'm saying now is like, actually,

(01:04:04):
we might be able to do something about this that
we never could before, and therefore we can have a
reimagination of what existence truly is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Yeah. Yeah, the Eastern perspectives always fascinated me with how
our consciousness is eternal and the body is temporary, and
therefore that desire to live forever comes from this, yeah,
very innate truth that we are eternal. We're not limited
in the way the body is limited to some degree,
I guess. And it's always been fascinating to me how

(01:04:34):
the desire to live is a very natural one, actually, yeah,
and it's uniform, Yeah, but it's almost one that we
are scared to ask. There's a lot of fear around
even talking about death. It feels morbid. It feels when
it's the most it's you know, guaranteed and the most
common thing that will it's the number one thing that
will happen to everyone who's worn.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So like if you tell, like, let's just take an
entrepreneur and say, like, if you show up to do
this thing and you're just present and do some minimal
amount of work, you're going to become a billionaire, Like
that's the prize. But in reality, you have to be
an entrepreneur. It's like to defy all odds and work

(01:05:17):
a crazy amount to achieve some level of success. And
I feel like the death narrative that we have a
species is it's kind of the same ofs like you
get this afterlife with this minimal set of effort. And
so basically it sacks people of inviting them to work
hard for existence because it's already guaranteed. And so to me,

(01:05:38):
it has this really negative consequence where it's like, oh,
taken care of. Therefore, you can have poor health habits,
you can risk your life, you can do these things.
So I think we're really on this bigger time scale.
We're wrapped up in this moment, where are we should
be working a lot harder and a care a lot

(01:05:59):
more about our existence, about the planet's health, about our kids' help,
about societal's health. And we're lacks of daisical because we
have some sort of idea that somehow in the afterlife
things are sorted. So I think it really weakens us
as a species.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
From the point of view of data. What's different about
what men need to do for longevity and what women
need to do for longevity.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
We have much more in common than we do differences.
So a lot of people immediately jump to They'll see
my protocol and they'll say, well, certainly there has to
be personalizations that you know are done from you versus
me or whatever. And I would draw their attention back
to say, we have much more in common than you think,
like instead of saying, like, what are the major commonalities,

(01:06:42):
they immediately go to differences. And so what we have
in common is sleep works great for men and women, right,
and eating vegetables right also great for men and women.
And again you can look at the data, exercise great,
and so there's nuances on the exercise of like around
a woman's cycle. So yes, there's nuances been generally speaking,
the basics of health of life. Health practices are good

(01:07:04):
for both males and females, and so then the nuances
like you have a protocol I've published publicly, there's nuances
of a woman's cycle what to do around that for
both food and exercise. So so yeah, those are details
I've listed out, But generally speaking, the benefits are in
the power laws of health and wellness of getting the

(01:07:24):
basics right and less so the tail things which people
focus on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Yeah, and how does someone lower their inflammation which is
known as like the silent killer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
So my body, for example, has barely levels of any
detectable inflammation. It's almost entirely gone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
I want that. That sounds amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah, do you know your inflammation level?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I don't know my level recently, I've got a blood
test coming up again, so I need to check it
out with Darshan. So but yeah, it's always been one
of those things that's been hard for me to manage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, okay, interesting. Yeah, so you're looking probably at your
hs CRP. Yeah yeah, so yeah, it has to do
with it. A lot is sleep. Yes, Like again like
back to the basics of life and then stress Yeah,
so it kind of always comes back to the basics.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, and what are people getting wrong in their daily
schedule with stress that they could easily change to kind
of lower that because, like we talked about earlier, not
everyone's in a position to take care of their own schedule,
build the thing that may be work in a job
in a certain way. Like what are some things people
can do to manage that throughout the day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, first is sleep. So, like sleep is a superpower
to manage stress. I know that when I'm well rested,
if a stressful event happens, it just kind of I
can brush it off. If I'm not well rested, it
feels very painful and I react very strongly. So sleep
is probably the most powerful thing to manage stress. Too,

(01:08:48):
is you know, if you're exercising and feel well, also
lowers like stress response than a balanced diet every single
yea the same stuff, like you get those power laws
in place. Agree, a lot of people like when they
can't get those power OUs in place, they want to
take a pill. And so I realize that's how a
lot of people think. I do want to urge people
like get those habits in place. They are the most robust,

(01:09:12):
highly performing things you can do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
What does your one hour workout look like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's cardio, weights, balance and flexibility.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Okay, yeah, very balanced.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
What I love about everything you're saying is that it's
things that it's almost like some of it, we know,
some of it, we're aware of the biggest challenge I
guess when it comes to all of this is discipline.
Like discipline, if there was one word, what word would
you choose? If there's one thing that you said, is
that the core of everything you've.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Talked about today, it's systems.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Systems.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah, So like if you design, if you say, like
I go to bed at this time of day every
single day, you build your life around it. If you
say I work out in the morning right and wake
up every day and never change it. So the thing
that most people do is they leave the decision to
their willpower. They say do I feel like it or not?
And then in that moment, it's like, now I'm gonna
skip today because like I've been working really hard. I

(01:10:05):
need to rest anyways, like you rationalize it in whatever way.
So just build systems. I basically when I started doing this,
like and when I came here today, I put your
address in to my navigation system, and I was like,
take me there. I didn't like memorize the streets right,
and so I trusted the algorithm. I had more data
than I had, and so I proposed this four years ago.
When I started, I said, can we build an algorithm

(01:10:26):
that takes better care of me than I count myself? Like,
just measure my body, put it into a competitional system
and pair the science then tell me what to do.
I wanted to do like navigation for my body, and
that's what we've done. So I basically I do not
make decisions in my mind. Yes, the algorithm does all
the things for me, and so I just like I
feel like inevitable that we humans will not do this

(01:10:47):
weird thing of make decisions on a daily basis of
what to eat, when exercise would just be done by
an algorithm, and we'll be like, this is amazing because
like it just does what's right for me. I feel amazing.
I was scared of it before and now it's the
best thing ever. It's like, it's just inevitable we're going
to be in that path.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
A lot of people when they hear that, they will
think it's this topic which, like I get it from
where you're at, but like we have said yes to
algorithms everywhere, and it's entirely reasonable that we'd say yes
to our health.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah. I think the system's point is so true. And
a big part of systems is focusing on how you
feel after the system is complete, not before. Yes, Like
I have the same system. I know what days I
work out and what times I work out, and it's
still hard before one of those days to feel like
I really want to do it. Yes, but I know
for a fact I'm going to feel great. So even

(01:11:34):
when I'm in that moment to message and be like,
oh I don't want to work out today, I know
I'm going to regret that later, Yes, and I'm actually
going to appreciate later that I got that workout in
even when I felt tired, even when I felt sluggish. Yes,
that's actually going to be the best time. And so
I love the answer of systems, but I think it's
kind of programming the mind to be committed to the
feeling after you complete a system, never how you're going

(01:11:56):
to feel before.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
That's true, and like I learned this when I was depressed,
you know, my mind was like, hey, you should commit suicide,
like life is awful, You're never going to feel a
hope again. Die and like it was just on repeat
saying that, and I learned, Like it was the biggest
breakthrough in my depression was when I learned I am
not my thoughts such a simple concept, but like you
see it Land, It's like, Okay, this came from somewhere,
but it's not me. And so even now, like do

(01:12:20):
I want to work out or not, I don't care
what my brain says. It is an unreliable source of information.
Systems are a more reliable form information. So like, set
up your system and like you're saying, do you know
if you do the system, you're going to be happy,
And just never trust my mind to tell me what
I do and don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, And what's interesting about that is a lot of
people say, well, are you just not ignoring your emotions
and how you feel? What I find is the opposite,
that the system makes you better at dealing with any
emotion that then comes up exactly right. So it's not
that you don't have emotions and you don't have feelings
and you don't experience stress or anxiety, but the system
being in place actually just gave you all of this willpower.

(01:12:59):
Going back to your point, and I think that's where
we go wrong, because I think we've kind of got
to this place in society where it's like, well, how
you feel is the reality is the truth, and it's like, WHOA,
If I just listen how I feel all the time,
I'll probably never do anything that's good for me. I'll
probably eat lots of stuff that's bad for me, and
I'll never choose the thing that's right for me, and
I'll keep doing what's wrong for me because it's easier, exactly,

(01:13:21):
and my mind is constantly trying to get me to
do what's easier exactly, and what's easier is really good
for me entirely. Yeah, I find that to be the
I mean, that feels like it's it like what's good
for me is not easy, and what's easy is not
good for me, and what's uncomfortable is probably the right decision,
and what's comfortable is probably the wrong decision. What did

(01:13:43):
it take you to program yourself to say yes to
that algorithm? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Two things? Like one, when I built my previous company,
in brain Treamo, we would build version one of our software,
and then version two and version three we never showed up.
And the software is like, guys, now I don't feel
like doing out work today. I'm not going to perform
Like the software is just performed in its most robust
way possible. It's very reliable. Now there are bugs and

(01:14:07):
we can fix the bug. But then, whereas me as
a system of intelligence, just like software, I would make
all the same errors every day, go to bed late,
eat the wrong foods, maybe have alcohol, like waste time
on things I didn't want to do, Like I would
just be this walking disaster of errors and I would
do the same behaviors every single day. And I thought,
this is crazy, Like this form of intelligence I can

(01:14:30):
just program to be like this great robust intelligence, whereas
I can't do anything reliable. And I thought, I want
to build myself in a way where I can reliably
be robust as an intelligent system. So like this is
kind of cool, Like we can now can imagine this
as humans. So I wanted to build systems. And like,
I know a lot of people will be like that's
so weird, You're not a computer, But so I get it.
But I guess like I would say two things. One

(01:14:51):
is that when I talk about these things in these terms,
people will say, but you're not happy, Like I find
that I find happiness in life and spontaneity like stain
up all night, and like they have all these elegant
explanations about you know why they love to the following things,
which is fine. So there's like two ways to look
at this one and say, like what does your health
look like? What does my health look like? What does

(01:15:11):
your happiness look like? And what does my happiness look like?
And like, quantitatively, I think this system is superior. Now
it doesn't mean you have to do a specific thing.
You can still have flexibility and you can have spotan eighty.
But generally speaking, people are very reluctant to release the
status quo of like do they just like do whatever
they want whenever they want to a more rigorous stance
of like you can be happier with these systems in place.

(01:15:36):
But it's just like I've I've had this conversation so
many times. I know, like the deep, deep resistance people
have to just shut this down. But I'm suggesting, like
this is really the reality of the future of being human.
I'm prototyping it right now, and it actually is a
superior system to whatever we're doing as humans.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Now, what's holding us back from thinking health can lead
to happiness? God?

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
What a good question. Honestly, that that is like a
bull's eye in capitalism. You're you're fighting for resource accumulation,
for wealth accumulation, and for status, and you're willing to
sacrifice everything to achieve that goal because health is not
the goal, like resource accumulation is a goal. Power is

(01:16:19):
a goal. Like you, I guess you can kind of
map everything back to status, power, sex. Yeah, it's I
guess it's like the goals the society has and the
if the imagination is that if existence is the highest virtue,
like we want to hold onto this with everything we have.
Those other objectives become secondary considerations but subject to our

(01:16:43):
own well being, and we just haven't made that transition yet. Yeah,
but but yeah, what do you think I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Was trying and think about it from from you know,
my knowledge base of Eastern literature and philosophy, and it's
there's there's four archetypes in Eastern philosophy, and they all
have different goals within a society, and one archetype aims
for knowledge, one aims for power and control and influence,

(01:17:11):
one aims for resources and wealth, and one aims for
comfort and stability and security. And I think that in
times like these you become pretty much only two of them,
which is you either aim for security, stability, and comfort,
or you aim for resources, accumulation, power and control. And

(01:17:33):
the thirst and pursuit for growth and evolution and improvement
has become kind of bottom of the pile. It's the
hardest and it's the most powerful, but it requires so much,
And like you said, because we've been wired to either

(01:17:54):
want to remain the same or want to achieve in
a very external way growth something unseen. Right like right now,
as I see you, I can't see that you're eighteen
years old. I can't see that you're any of these things.
And so then I'm like, well, that's not important then,
because life's based on what I see. Yeah, And that's

(01:18:14):
obviously not a healthy way to live or the right
way to live, or maybe it is for some people,
but it's definitely not an accurate way to live because
what you see is not necessarily what's true. And so
I think we've become a very visible surface level society
and growth and focus and discipline or systems are such

(01:18:35):
unseen parts. It's almost like the idea that everyone wants
a successful business, but people may not want to do
the work to build a successful business, right, and so
the work is unseen. The foundations of the building are unseen,
the bottom of the iceberg is unseen, and we still
are figuring that out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. To build on yours R,
I'd say like, when death is inevitable, humans choose games
within the selection options, so you can pursue those four archetypes.
If death doesn't is not inevitable, it changes the underlying
structure of society. Everything changes. And that's my primary hypothesis

(01:19:18):
is that's what this moment is about. Like that is
the only thing happening right now for humans. Is like
we knew we're going to going to die before, and
now there's this open question of will we be the
first generation to not die? If that's true, everything we've
imagined we care about changes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
And I'm really happy that you're putting yourself out there
as someone who's not trying to appease or not trying
to keep the status quo, because I feel like when
we see human brilliance in sport, music, drama, film, TV,
whatever it may be. The truth is we love it,

(01:19:57):
but we can never be it or do it because
there is a certain distance between you doing what Lebron
James does. And yes, there may be a distance between
what we can do and what you're doing to the
extreme and the top one percent. But the thing is,
the possibility of us getting closer to that is probably higher. Yeah,
so everyone's trying to get good at golf. Yeah, chances

(01:20:20):
of you being Tiger Woods is pretty impossible. Yeah, but
for us to actually reverse aging is probably more likely
and helpful to us in the long run as well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, everyone, Yeah, if you look at this from like
the biggest time skills, like a quick review of history.
Buddha was like, hey, like there's some suffering with life,
and the best way to approach this is to detach yourself.
You know, this all a ful path. And then Confucius
had this idea of familiar relationships within community. Mohammad said,
we should submit to God. Jesus said, I am the

(01:20:50):
son of God. Adam Smith said, there's this invisible hand
of markets and capitalism and these systems that can emerge
and then America was like we the people, and car
Marx was like, actually it's class warfare. And you know,
it's like, we have these big ideologies that have shaped
our reality, but really humanity is run by a very

(01:21:12):
small number of things, right, political structures, economic structures, ideological structures.
And in this moment, we're experiencing a radical change of technology.
And when that happens, we humans want to find things
that are useful to our objectives, and so we say like, hey, capitalism,

(01:21:33):
can you help out? Hey democracy, Hey Christianity, Hey Islam.
Like we kind of search and say who has answers?
And right now, every system society has fails to answer
the fundamental question what do we do as a species?
Like what do we do as individuals? Like when AI
is emergent, when we're building superintelligence, what do I do?

(01:21:53):
And what do we do? And no existing structure can
answer that. That's true, Like you look throughout history, these
theologies largely emerge in response to technological change. It happens,
and we say, like we need help with a new
ideological structure. And so that's what don't Die is is
don't die as basically meant to answer, like be the
answer and that's why I think it can become on

(01:22:15):
par with the major ideologies in a few years time,
that this is the new way we structure society.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Yeah, Brian, thank you so much for your time today.
It's been really illuminating and fascinating to talk to you.
And I'm hoping that we get to hang out more
because definitely share a lot of values and share a
lot of desires for humanity and for each other, for ourselves,
and so I hope I get to learn a lot
more from you, truly. Yeah, I'm very excited to learn

(01:22:42):
from you. We end every On Purpose episode with a
final five. These questions have to be answered in one
word to one sentence maximum. Although I know I'm going
to break the rules because I'm fascinated, but Brian Johnson,
these are your final five. The first question is what
is the best health longevity advice you've ever heard or received?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Build habits?

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Second question, what is the worst health of longevity advice
you've ever had or received?

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Cheat Days?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Why a cheat day is bad for us?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
They teach you bad habits. They are they inflict damage
upon the body, They set unreal estic expectations. It's a
bad mimetic all the way.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Down Question number three, What do you do for fun?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
I love outdoor adventure, so I drove a dog sled
in the Arctic, I raced in the Moroccan desert. I
went to a volcano in Iceland. So I'm rich with
irony where I'm the most don't die person in human history,
and I also love to play in adventure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
I love that. I'm going to add a three B.
Do you drink coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I do not drink coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Why don't you drink coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
My emotions and intellect now are so steady from high
quality sleep and a good diet and routine exercise that
anything that creates a roller coaster of change I avoid.
And so I don't do caffeine. I don't do nicotine,
no stimulants, and my mood is just stable all day long.
It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Should people avoid drinking coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
Some people do very well with it. So I'm just
sensitive to caffeine, So I think a lot of people
do well. Do your thing again all my responses, do
you and follow the data?

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Question number four. I recently invested in a company called
function Health because I was upset about the idea that
getting great data was hard, and I wanted to make
it more accessible to lots of people, And so there
are tens of thousands of people that are using Functional Health.
Now I have access to two hundred data sets that
they didn't have before through a blood test made really simple.

(01:24:47):
What other great data tools do you believe in that
you recommend to other people to get more data because
I think a lot of this is because you just
never know exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Yeah, we with Blueprint, we have I think the most
robust measurement protocol in the world. It's blood, it's your
speed of aging, eleven organ ages, full body scan, and microplastics.
So it's basically a measurement profile that gives you the
same value as like a twenty five thousand dollars executive
physical and a fraction of the price. So we've tried

(01:25:17):
to make full body measurement the most affordable and best
in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Fifth and final question we asked is to have a
guest who's ever been on the show? If you could
create one law that everyone in the world had to follow,
what would it be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
To not follow laws? Ah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Which ones are? Which laws? Are you taking out all laws? Wait? Wait?
How far does that? How far does that go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
To reframe it from don't do to how to, So
society would be instructions on how to. We would have
enough alignment within us and among us that not do
would be a thing of the past because we just
wouldn't be motivated to do bad behaviors to Selp and others,

(01:26:02):
and it would be a relic of the past that
we'd be amazed looking back that humans did things that
would be on that would be harmful to sell for others.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
You host Don't Die dinners. You've had a friend and
guest of the show, Kim Kardashian at one of the dinners.
What does it don't de dinner look like? What happens
at these dinners?

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
We can't tell you. Yeah, crazy things. Yeah. People who
attend will say it's the most consequential conversation of their life.
So we spend two hours. We do a bunch of
age tests to just introduce the idea that you can
measure biological age. Then we serve everybody food, and then

(01:26:43):
we have a two hour discussion led by five thought experiments,
and everybody participates, So everybody talks, everybody engages. I'm the moderator,
and so it's very snappy, but people leave. Even years later,
people still measure music. I just can't stop thinking about
these ideas. So it's really a transformative time together.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
So you do get to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
I don't eat everyone else my guests, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Yeah, amazing, Brian, Thank you so much for tuning in.
Please recommend where our audience should find you, where you'd
like them to discover your work so that they can
get more day, to get more insight and transform their health.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Yeah. I'm on all social platforms and Blueprint provides the
supplements nutrition health. My endeavor is about the future of
the human race. I'm trying to do a world a
solid in providing every calorie, every test for the best
health entire world. So if I interest you, great, If not,
my objective primarily is the future of the species.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Brian, thank you so much. Thanks appreciate it. If this
year you're trying to live longer, live happier, live healthier,
go and check out my conversation with the world's biggest
longevity doctor, Peter Attia on how to slow down aging
and why your emotional health is directly impacting your physical health.
Acknowledge that there is surprisingly little known about the relationship

(01:28:07):
between nutrition and health, and people are going to be
shocked to hear that, because I think most people think
the exact opposite

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