Dr Joe Dispenza: 5 Ways You're Blocking Yourself from Manifesting Love & 7 Steps to Attract Genuine Love

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We cannot attract anything in our life that we feel
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It's called Source. Please welcome to on Purpose, one of
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Speaker 1 (02:44):
Hey, that was great. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's always great to have you back, because, like we
were saying, we've done this multiple times now, and I
love seeing you. I love seeing the audience's reaction to
us being together. I've said this before, but I have
to say it again because I always like people to
know it. You've helped me offline with family members, friends,
distant people who've wanted to connect with your work, who
deeply believe in it. You've been so kind and supportive

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and reachable when you have a crazy schedule, and so
I love you as much online as I do offline.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
So we were saying, we're family. You know, we understand
each other. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I appreciate that. The question I wanted to start with
today because it's probably the most awest thing right now
by our community, and it's what is blocking us from
manifesting love.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I really think that the majority of people spend most
of their time in a state of readiness in their life.
They're always ready for whatever is going to take place,
and it's like an idol. So the hormones that are
associated with getting up and going and reacting stressfully, those

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hormones are hormones that create a primitive mechanisms where we're
go into survival right and living in stress and living
in survival. It's not a time for us to open
our hearts, right, So get bruised, get damaged, get injured
in your life. The stronger the emotion you feel towards
that event in your life, the more altered you feel

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from that experience. The brain freezes a frame and takes
a snapshot, and that's called the long term memory. So
people think about the problems that happened in the past
and they produce the same chemistry in their brain and
body as if the event was happening. So what happens
is the body gets conditioned emotionally into the past. So

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now the trauma or the betrayals not just in the brain.
Now it's in the body. So the body in a
sense gets programmed or conditioned to stay in survival. And
when you're in survival, it's not a time to be vulnerable.
It's not a time to open our hearts. It's not
a time to create. It's in a state of arousal
where we have to keep our attention on things that matter,

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the things in our environment, the way our body is feeling,
and how we're managing ourselves, and time in and of itself.
So to change is to be greater than your body,
to be greater than your environment, and to be greater
than time. And so when we're stressed, it's really hard
to change. When we're stressed, it's really not a time
to change. It's not a time to create, and it's

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not a time to learn. So then this is a
mechanism that's primitive in our biology and to be able
to tame the animal so that the animal self. So
it's no longer in a state of readiness trying to
always predict the worst case scenario just so you could
be ready if it happens. It turns out that that's

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the conversion of those survival states into a state of creation.
We've discovered some really important things about it. And if
you teach people how to convert from that sympathetic nervous
system to the power sympathy nervor system, if you teach
them how to trade resentment and in patience and frustration

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justified or not. That's doing no good for you for
an elevated emotion, and practice actually practice making the chemistry
that is associated with love. And in the beginning it's difficult.
And so if you place your attention on your heart,
we discovered that there's a very low frequency that you

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can measure that actually goes up that's indigenous to what
the heart needs in terms of a life force to beat.
So where you place your attention is where you place
your energy. And all the things you can place your
attention on, place it on your heart. Now, slow your
breathing down, and if you can slow your breathing down,
you can take your body out of that state of readiness.

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And when you slow your breathing down, you slow your
brain weighs down and your body starts to move out
of that state of sympathetic arousal. Practice feeling elevated emotions
with your heart, kindness, care, love, appreciation, gratitude, and you'll
get good at feeling that way if you keep doing it.

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So then when a person's in that state, the heart
in and of itself, when it's activated like that, gets
super organized, it gets coherent, and it sends a signal
to the brain literally in the form of information, to
tell the brain the survival system to shut down. That
you make literally the lights go out, it resets. Is
the baseline for the trauma in the brain. And the

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body moves out of survival and now it wants to create,
and the heart informs the brain to get creative, and
the brain goes into these beautiful organized alpha brain wave patterns,
and in alpha, we tend to imagine, we tend to create,
we tend to dream. So the heart informs the brain
it's time to create. That's I think when we're in
that state of inspiration where we're actually falling in love

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with what we're creating, we're bonding to that creation. And
the stronger the emotion we feel, the more we remember
that future. And I think that's how people really begin
to make those changes. Now, now, getting there is a
daily practice. Getting there is something that you have to
keep doing. So the block for us to feel love

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is that if we're living in survival, you have to
make up your mind that that state is not a
state to create and break away from the people in
your life, and you know, your schedule and your phone
and all the obligations you have long enough to reset
just for a little period of time and to remember

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so you don't forget. I think that's where it becomes
super valuable.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, I think you hit on a really important nerve,
that this idea that we're living in a constant state
of stress. And when I think about our community who
thinking about dating, and I think about friends in my
life that are trying to find romantic love, especially in
their life, and they're feeling around dating mentally, physically, emotionally

(09:03):
is stressful. The idea of dating is stressful, The idea
of being on a date is stressful, The idea of
talking to someone is stressful. And it's so interesting. You're
so right that how are you going to create when
all of your emotions around this is stress. You've got
the stress of a timeline. Gosh, I'm in my mid thirties.
I should have found someone by now, things I hear. Oh,

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I'm in the stress of I've been out on seven
dates in the last couple of months and none of
them were good enough. And so I'm in the stress
of scarcity. And so you're so right, that's what we're feeling.
How do we get out of that system and that cycle?
Because a lot of the time we've developed that feeling
towards finding romantic love for like weeks, months, years. How

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do you break that cycle?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's nothing wrong with doing any of those things. But
when we're stressed, we're altered. That stress is when we're
out of balance, we're not our self else right, we
can't relax and be authentic. And so typically it usually
takes a crisis or a disease or a diagnosis, or

(10:12):
a trauma or a loss or a betrayal for a
person to really decide is this really who I want
to continue to be? So my message is why wait
for that? Right? So, there's nothing wrong with saying I
want to be in a relationship, I want the following
things in a relationship from this person or what might

(10:33):
what might be my ideal relationship.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
How details should you get on something like that, like
should you be talking about physical things or is it
mainly emotional and connectedness.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I think people have an image in their mind of
what they like or what their type is or whatever
they I don't think there's anything wrong with that, But
I think what people are really looking for is connection
and joy pop or should be in a relationship. The
reason they should be in a relationship is to be overjoyed,

(11:05):
to be with a person that you're with, right, you
want joy in your life. For me, it would make
sense then if the person got very clear on what
they wanted, then they should start on the journey to
become that very person. They should really work on being
that very person that they want. So there would have
to be some change that they would have to make

(11:27):
in order to be worthy enough to create a person
that they would attract in their life. And we cannot
attract anything in our life that we feel separate from
trusting in a future that you can't see your experience,
you have to lay down the very thing you use
your whole life to get what you want to trust
that something greater could happen. And that's not something that's

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very easy. So I like the idea that it wouldn't
happen on a date that was from an app. It
could happen in a bank, it could happen at a seminar,
it could happen in the grocery store, you know, in
a way that you least expect, right, And I think
that when we get to a point where we're so

(12:12):
happy with ourselves we're no longer looking because we feel
like we already have it. I think that's the state
where people attract an equal.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Getting to that place feels like a challenge for people
because it feels like I'm doing this so that I
can get someone. Yeah. Right, it's always like connected that
way as well.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Well, we're conditioned that way. We're conditioned in a way
to like, Okay, I need something out there. I need
the experience to prove I need the event to occur.
And the end product of that event or experience is
called an emotion. The emotion takes away the lack or
separation from not having it. So we're waiting for the
event to occur to take away the feeling of separation

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or lack and actually that's not the healthiest way to create.
And actually we should feel the emotion of the experience
before it happens, so that if you're feeling the emotion
of that future before it happens, truly feeling it, you
wouldn't be looking for it. You would only be looking
for it when you felt separate from it. Right, So

(13:18):
can you maintain that state because the only way you're
going to believe in that future is you have to
feel the emotion associated with it. The moment you feel
the lack and the separation, you're going to believe in
the past. And there's a story that goes along with
the past that has everything to do with the dating
is hard or finding a person or whatever. That is

(13:39):
the story that we tell ourselves that we actually accept, believe,
and surrender to is if it's the truth. Right. So
that's exactly what programs the subconscious mind into a belief. Right,
So the default is so seamless to lose that vision

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or that belief in the future. The moment we start
feeling the emotions of lack or survival in the past, right,
that's the moment we can't see that future any longer
because we would be looking at that future for the
through the lens of the past, and we would doubt
that that future could actually exist. So it's really an
interesting thing that I learned just in the last few

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years because I interview hundreds of people backstage that have
had a dramatic change in their health. I'm talking about
significant chronic diseases where they have no blood values that
are abnormal, have no scans that show any signs of
the disease any longer. And I asked them, like how

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did you do that? Like what did you do? And
some of them say, like, I was doing my meditation
sometimes three times a day because the drugs weren't working.
The chemo wasn't working, the drug tryles weren't working, the
surgeries weren't working, the radiation wasn't working, the diet wasn't working.
Nothing was working right, And so the only thing that

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they were left with was the belief in themselves. And
when you believe in yourself, you got to believe in possibility.
And when you believe in possibility, you have to believe
in yourself. So they were doing their meditations three times
a day because they lost their belief that they could heal.
They lost their belief, and so they were doing their

(15:28):
meditation again to change their emotional states so that they
could believe in that future again instead of believe in
their past. If you keep doing that, it's that thought
in that feeling, is that image, that's emotion, that stimulus
and response, that's conditioning the body emotionally into the future,
And that's really how you change the belief. So the
people were doing the work to change their belief because

(15:51):
they defaulted back to the self doubt and that, of
course is disbelief and that's chronic. Right, So so then
how many times do we have to do that until
we stop doing that and start doing something else. I
think that's when our reality begins to change.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
What about someone who's I love where we're going with
this because I think, I mean, I can see so
many pennies dropping for so many people. What's what's the
challenge when someone's lost their belief because they've had a heartbreak.
Let's say, what happens when someone's been catfished, when they've
been betrayed, when they've been heartbroken, when they've been cheated on,

(16:31):
when they've been lied to, manipulated gaslin like, they've had
a moment that has made them lose belief because they've
been hurt and broken so many times in love and
now you're right, on a belief level, they don't believe
they're lovable, they don't believe love exists for them, they
don't believe good people exist. Right, these are all beliefs,

(16:54):
and so what do you do when you've actually gone
through quite a you could call it a t romantic
a toxic event or experience that someone's been through.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, I think everybody's had those. I think once again,
the stronger the emotion you feel from some event in
your life, the more altered you are inside of you,
the more you remember the event, that the brain actually
freezes that frame, right, So the person thinks neurologically within
the circuitry of that experience, and they feel chemically within

(17:24):
the boundaries of that emotion. And how we think and
how we feel becomes our state of beings. So every
time they remember the event, they're producing that same chemistry,
as I said, over and over again, and you're conditioning
the body into a belief, right, and the moment we
draw a conclusion about that experience, that's the belief right,

(17:46):
that becomes the belief that we accept to believe in
surrender to. So then beliefs are subconscious states of being right. So,
and it tends to be ninety five of who we
are by the time we get to the middle of
our life. So it's those subconscious beliefs that really run
our life and run our reality. So it would make

(18:09):
sense then to the person unless I can heal from
the experience and overcome the emotion because the memory without
the emotional charge is called wisdom, and you never have
to do it again because you know now that you know.
If that's the truth, then then okay, I'll do this

(18:30):
for a period of time. But this state is not
loving to me. Living in this state is not loving
to me. What's loving to me is that I actually
overcome the emotion of the past. And when I overcome
the emotion of the past, now the body's no longer
believing in that any longer, right, So that theoretically is

(18:53):
easier said than done. So the survival emotions tend to
become very addictive. So the rush of just remembering the
event is an arousal for the body, and people become
very addicted to their beliefs. Right and so, but if
you tell a person like okay, your subconscious mind is

(19:15):
going to keep replaying the same experience in your life
unless you heal okay. That could make sense to certain people.
If you can't overcome that emotion, then you'll never be
able to open your heart. So do you want love
in your life or not? Okay? So okay, forgiveness then,
and we've discovered this forgiveness is when you overcome the

(19:37):
emotion of your past and you no longer have your
attention on that person or that experience any longer, right,
And so you feel so good that you no longer
want to feel bad, right, And so you free yourself
from that belief, and you free that person as well
or the experience. And literally that's that's energy that's liberated

(20:02):
as information that the body can actually use to create with. Right.
So I think there's information and knowledge that just has
to be given to people for them to understand, Okay,
justified or not, you know, valid or not. The only
person that this really is affecting is mean they went
on with their life. They they're they're you know, they

(20:24):
started a new career, they're they're living in a new place,
they're writing a book. You know, they're they're on their way,
and you're holding yourself hostage to the past. Right. So
then you've got to trust that love is available or
love is real in in in in order for you
to create someone in your life that is loving, you

(20:45):
would have to be worthy of love, and that means
you would have to feel love too. So I think
people make their way out of this all the time,
and we we deal with severe PTSD, you know with veterans,
and those are there's some pretty brutal memory. He's there,
and there's a lot of trauma that's stored in the
body as well, and they deal with a lot of difficulties.

(21:07):
And when you tell them it's the heart that resets
the baseline for the trauma and the brain. All you
have to do is have the courage to open that
thing again. And they may come up against themselves for
a few days, but once it happens and they understand
the process, their past is wisdom. They don't have to
ever go back there again. Right, they understand at all,

(21:30):
but there's no charge associated with it any longer. And
that's when we belong to the future. Right, that's when
the synchronicities and the coincidences and the miracles and the
opportunities begin to show up in our life that prove
to us that we are the creators of our life.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
What's the anatomy of belief? Because I feel like we
know that beliefs are repeated patterns, they're repeated conditioned ideas.
They're so hardwired. And if we were to start picking
up that, picking up all our beliefs, so we're purifying
them or we're renewing them, Like what's the process.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So I believe that all beliefs are created from past experiences,
and a belief is just a thought you keep thinking
over and over again until you hardwired in your brain
in a hard wired set of circuits. Is an automatic,
unconscious program. So we have a lot of beliefs about

(22:29):
things that we're not even conscious of.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And they're not being tested. We don't have they're true.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
You don't know if they're true. We've actually, in fact
made them up. And this happens quite a bit in
the work that we do. People see the testimonials, they
see the science, they see the data, and they say,
oh my god, I actually believe that this stuff works.
And they're facing a chronic health condition or serious health condition,
and they come to the realization that they just became

(23:00):
just that they didn't believe it would work for them.
It work, It looks like it works, but I never
thought it could work for me. Now this is a
This is a big moment, because this is the moment
where you're stepping out of the bleachers onto the playing field, right,
this is now where you've got to show up for
yourself right. The person when they sit down and they
decide to make a different choice. And this is the

(23:21):
hardest part about change. The moment you decide to make
a different choice, you're going to feel uncomfortable. You're gonna
leave the familiar, known, right, and the body which has
been conditioned into the past, into the known, which has
been conditioned to be the mind the servants the master,
and it's going to try to talk you out of
that future that is unfamiliar, unknown, or unpredictable. And so

(23:43):
that's that that's the moment where the beliefs start coming up.
You know, you're not good enough, this is too hard,
you'll never change, you can't create anything. It's this person's fault.
There's something wrong with me. I want to quit. And
then people say like, oh, well I have add you know,
I can't focus my mind. And it turns out they

(24:06):
say I'm not a good meditator, or don't I can't
control my mind and meditation is not for me. But
really I'm doing it wrong, they'll say. But in fact
they're actually doing it right, because sitting with yourself and
becoming conscious of all of those unconscious thoughts means now

(24:28):
you're no longer the program, or you're only in the
program when you're unconscious to that belief. The moment you
become conscious of that unconscious belief, the greater the probability
that you won't go unconscious to it again. And that's
how you become more conscious, is catching yourself going unconscious,

(24:49):
and it becomes a skill. The more you practice it,
the better you get at going like, I'm just not
going to believe that any longer, and nerve cells that
no longer fire together, no longer wire together. So as
you attend to that thought and notice it and observe
it without actually believing it, it weakens the connections neurologically

(25:10):
in the brain, and there's a neurological death or a
separation that's taking place. Okay, So the person then who
blames and complains and makes excuses and feel sorry for
themselves and behaves a certain way, well, those are habits, right,
and those are unconscious programmed behaviors. The only way you're

(25:34):
going to change is to become conscious that you complain
all day long or you blame somebody for your life.
A happy person would never want to be that wor
behave that way, and would never want to be in
a relationship with a person who complains all the time,
why would you write so? Then that person says, Okay,

(25:57):
how many times do I have to forget until I
stop forgetting and start remembering? That is my moment of change.
So today I'm going to behave in a different way
and make a different choice. I'm going to just stay
conscious to not do these things. Okay. Then the person says, well,
I feel unworthy, I feel stressed, I feel unhappy, I

(26:17):
feel sad, I feel victimized, I feel grief. Whatever is
this the emotion that I want to have in my future?

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Well?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
No, these are emotions that are connected to experiences of
the past. If I truly want love in my life,
I can't feel resentment. Okay. Am I willing to trade
resentment for this elevated emotion? Okay? Let me just remember
all the times in my day. If I start noticing
I feeling this emotion, I'm just going to become conscious

(26:48):
and not go unconscious to it and just temper it
and work with it. Okay. So that is that overcoming process,
that is the becoming process. Now it would make sense
then you would have to ask yourself, what do I
want to believe? What is a thought? Do I that
I do want to fire and wire in my brain.

(27:09):
So with intention and with attention, if you have the
person remember what they wanted to believe, and keep remembering
what they want to believe, and keep remembering what they
want to believe, they begin to install the hardware. If
you keep attending to it, the hardware becomes like a
software program. And now that's the new belief I can heal,

(27:29):
I can find the relationship and belief is like pregnancy.
Either you are or not. I mean, there's no in between.
So it's you want to install the circuitry to such
a degree that that's the new voice in your head
that's saying you, come on, Jay, get up, Come on, Jay,
let's go. Come on, you can do this. Come on,
make the time for it. Come on, this is your vision, Come.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
On, coach. In your own head, it's a voice. Voice.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
If the voice is no longer the disbelief, the voice
is basically your future self talking to you, is what
it is, all right. So okay, So one of my
if I start behaving in the old way, I know
I'm going to I'm going to disbelieve. So how do
I want to behave? How am I going to behave
on my next date? How am I going to behave

(28:12):
in my next zoom meeting with my team? How am
I going to behave with my children or my family,
with my partner, with my act I how do I
want to be? In the act of rehearsing mentally in
your mind who you want to be? The act of
just closing your eyes and mentally rehearsing that scene literally

(28:35):
causes the brain to look like you already did it.
It looks like it's already happened, right, So now you're
priming the brain neurologically. Keep doing it over and over again.
The hardware becomes more automatic. Like a software program, you
naturally get your behaviors to match your intentions. And because
you install the circuitry, practice feeling the elevated emotion. If

(28:55):
you feel that emotion and you say, when I feel
this emotion, I can believe in that future, then let
me just keep remembering to feel this way in every
part of my day. Just not This is not about
positive thinking. This is about conditioning my body emotionally into
the future. So I got to keep my energy up
the entire day, and I can't default back to the

(29:16):
old person. As long as I'm feeling this emotion, I'm
going to behave that way. As long as I'm feeling
this emotion, I'm going to believe in that future if
I maintain this modified state of mind and body my
entire day as an experiment, should there be some evidence
in my life as a result of my change and

(29:37):
state of being a synchronicity, a coincidence, And if there is,
then I'm going to do it again. I'm going to
actually do it again. And I think that's how we
start stepping into that future.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
What are some I love that What are some practices
and what are milestones in the day that people can
use to hardwire those thoughts and beliefs, like, what are
some mechanism what are some tactics that can make a
day feel like? Okay, that's my game plan for how
I'm going to do this, because, as you rightly said,
you think about it in the morning. Okay, I'm going

(30:08):
to try and do this, and then you're late for
that meeting. You know, you spill coffee over yourself, something
happened the kids, aren't you know, And then you're stressed
and now all of a sudden you've gone from being
a descent to die And what are some key checkpoints
throughout twenty.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Well, I don't think it's bad to react. I mean
everybody reacts. I react. The question is how long are
you going to react? That's the real question, Like how
long you can keep that going? Because surely if you're
feeling that emotion, you're going to behave as if you're
in your past and you're going to believe in that past,
you're gonna you're actually gonna believe that it's valid to

(30:42):
behave that way. Okay, So if people just set the
intention in the beginning of their day and we've all
done this and gone unconscious within the first hour, yeap.
Whatever it takes for that person with if it is
before they sit down and neat lunch that they check
in with themselves and see if they've fallen from grace

(31:06):
or if they're still in that state or where they're at,
if they do it on their break. A person who's
possessed in a good way when they understand like when
I change, my life changes and nothing changes in my
life until I change. A person who's really really committed

(31:27):
to that, they will constantly be checking in with themselves
because they're paying more attention to their inner world. They're
paying more attention to themselves and less attention to everybody else.
They're really regulating their state. So to any reminder a
person has, and I do this sometimes three times a day,

(31:49):
I have to break away and remember like I'm losing it,
like my energy's dropping, and in the light of all eternity,
this moment matters more than anything else because it's never
going to be the right time. It's never going to
be the right time when you feel that emotion. If
I could convert right now and when it's the hardest,
it matters the most. If I can just get back

(32:10):
into my heart and change my state, synchronize my heart
to my brain. If I can do that in fifteen
minutes and come back out, will I see reality differently? Okay,
let me practice that. I tend to be more patient.
I tend to be more aware. I think the heart
is a different consciousness. I tend to be more considerate,

(32:33):
more present. I think that's the side effect of doing it.
So change is about reminding yourself over and over again.
Change is about the overcoming process. The overcoming process is
actually the becoming process. And people all the time that
heal in this work, they're doing their meditations. They're not

(32:56):
doing their meditations to heal, They're doings to change, and
they discover that when they change, they heal. So, now
if you accept that as a new belief that when
I change, my life will change, and you got to
keep reminding yourself of that belief. You got to keep
reminding yourself if I change, because this goes against the program,

(33:19):
like when my life changes, then I'll change. That's the program. No, no, no,
when you change, the experiment is will your life change? Okay,
So then now you attack the belief. It's not like,
oh my god, this is something that's bigger than me.
You attack the belief like this is no longer serving me.
Being complaining is making me unhappy. Living by this emotion

(33:44):
justified or not, is not loving to me. This is
down regulating genes. My body's believing it's living in the
same event twenty four hours a day. If I feel
the same emotion, okay, well let's change that. So when
the person is taking on that belief like if I change,
my life changes, and I think most people try to
create a new personal reality as the same personality. It

(34:06):
doesn't work. We got to become somebody else. So if
you took that on as the truth, Okay, I got
to remember that if I change, my health could change.
If I change, my life could change. Okay, Now it's
a different game. Now. It's not like I have to
This is like I want to change to see my
life change, right, It's more of a want to What are.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Some of the changes that you've seen people make in
their life that have had the biggest changes in their life.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Oh my god, God, I've seen I've seen the most
amazing things in the last in just in the last
few years. I mean the Joe the Spenzer that sitting
here today has had a dramatic change in his belief
system in witnessing human transformation to the scale that I've
witnessed it, that's literally changed my belief in what's possible, right,

(34:54):
I mean in it's coming from the data that we're gas,
but it's also coming from the stories of transformation testimonials
and this. I have to be careful about this because
this is a stretch for a lot of people. I'm
not talking about you know, just fifty people. I'm talking

(35:14):
about hundreds if not thousands of people who've broken the
four minute mile, that they went from absolute bankruptcy in
severe debt to you know, super abundance, whole new life
by changing. I've seen people with all kinds of health conditions,

(35:39):
from muscular dystrophe to spinal cord injuries, to Parkinson's disease,
to Stage four cancers to all kinds of crazy serious
health conditions to go into complete remission. The person changed,
and when they changed, their health change. I've seen people

(36:00):
brain scans when they're in that place of a transcendental experience.
I've seen what the brain looks like. That arousal that's
taking place in that moment where they're connecting is not fear,
it's not anger, it's not pain. That's what typically creates
arousal of survival. This arousal is ecstasy. This arousal is bliss.

(36:24):
They're having a transcendental moment where they're interacting with something
that's beyond their senses that's causing their body to be
lifted and aroused.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
How much work does it take?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That's the crazy thing about what we're discovering. Get a
group of people together, give them information that's based on science.
Have them understand the information, have it, teach it back
to somebody, Have them understand what they're doing and why
they're doing it. You know, combine quantum physics with neuroscience
and neuroendochronology and psychooneurimmunology and epigenetics and magnetism in Newtonian

(37:01):
physics and all that stuff. But make it really simple
that makes sense to them so they can understand it.
Leave nothing to conjecture, nothing to superstition, nothing to dogma.
Have it wired in their brain so they can teach
it back to somebody. They understand it. Set up the
conditions in the environment to apply that information, that philosophy,
that theory, personalize it, demonstrate, do something with it. Get

(37:23):
your behaviors to match your intentions, get your actions equal
to your thoughts. Get your mind and body working together.
You can have a new experience. Experience enriches circuitry in
the brain and it makes a chemical and that chemical
is called a feeling or an emotion. And now you're
teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind is
intellectually understood. Now the knowledge isn't just in the mind.

(37:43):
Knowledge is the information, and the experience is now in
a body, and that's what emotion doesn't work chemically instructing
our body to understand what our mind is intellectually understood.
So you get a group of people together and have
them understand information and then go to the application that
you can see that in seven days people have these

(38:06):
very profound transcendental experiences.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Are your progress workshops?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, the week long retreats, and so when we look
at the data and people who hit these aroused states,
sometimes it's more than fifty percent of the subjects that
we're measuring in terms of their brain scan, So it's
not like one person or two people. It happens more
and more as people get better at doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Have you seen any key traits that people who accelerate
that process have, people who really applied themselves effectively to
the process. What kind of traits and characteristics can people
develop in order to really see that shift and see
that change for themselves.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah? Well, I think people have to be present with information,
and I think paying attention is being present, and I
think it's a skill and the more you practice it,
the better you get at it. But if you're not present,
then you can't you can't hear the information. Because your
mind is in the predictable future of the familiar past.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So that's why online courses for me is something that
I never would ever do because I don't want to
compete with a person's attention, because it's so much easier
to forget this information than to remember it. Right. But
if you can get a community people together, have them
understand the information, and then in seven days immerse themselves

(39:32):
fully into transformation and change, sooner or later, there's an
emergent consciousness that takes place in the collective. And this
is what we discovered. One of the things that was
so amazing in just looking at the data is you
get people from all over the world that come to
these events, you know, sometimes the ninety different countries, and

(39:54):
you have everybody with their own very specific genotype and
genes make proteins, right, So everybody has their own unique
gene expression and their own genotype. But at the end
of seven days, about eighty percent of the population is
expressing the same genes and making the same proteins. That

(40:17):
means that that the tribe, the flock, the herd, the collective,
there's an emergent consciousness where people are biologically evolving together, right,
So something happens that's intangible when you get a group
of people together and they start overcoming themselves and they
sit with themselves long enough to be curious about what's

(40:39):
on the other side of that belief. Instead of saying
I quit and get up and get my cell phone
or call somebody, or go eat something and go do something,
you're going to sit there, and you're going to just
become really conscious that you're not going to give up
on you. You're going to go past that point. And
I think giving up on ourselves becomes a habit, right,

(41:00):
allow the person to get beyond sit long enough that
they come up against that emptiness or that pain or
that sadness, and instead of getting up and saying I'm
doing meditation wrong, I understand I'm actually doing it right.
This is part of the transformation process. Okay, now that
I'm feeling this emotion, let me just lower the volume
to this emotion and get back into the present moment.

(41:20):
And now you're taming the animal, right, Yeah, you're taming
the animal self. And it takes an enormous amount of energy,
an enormous amount of awareness to do that. So, so
if you give people the information, and you give them
numerous opportunities to overcome themselves and numerous opportunities to connect.

(41:43):
Sooner or later, this emersion consciousness will begin to form,
and just like infection spreads amongst the community and creates disease,
all of a sudden, you see health and wealth and
abundance and freedom becomes as infectious as disease. And then
and then that's what we see at the end of
seven days. There is an emergent consciousness that's reflected in

(42:03):
people's biology and genetically, they look like they're living in
a new life. Thousands and thousands of metabolites are being
released into their blood to suggest they're in a new
environment and they're in a ballroom and there's nothing really
special happening in a ballroom, but their bodies looking like
they're living in a new life, and they're making thousands

(42:26):
of new chemicals, you know, endogenous opioids, chemicals for neurogenesis,
chemicals that suppress cancer growth, chemicals that downregulate the genes
for Alzheimer's, chemicals that's created a resistance to a spike virus.
These are chemicals that the body innately is secreting when

(42:49):
it's living in the environment of love. When it's living,
the body can be relaxed in the present moment, not
be preoccupied with the next moment. We discovered when you're
relaxed in your heart and you're awake in your brain,
you're in the perfect state.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Awake in your brain.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, that's the formula.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
How long does it take scientifically to rewire a belief?

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I don't think. I don't think you could actually measure that.
I think there's too many variables, the comprehension of the information,
how long the person meditates, how present they are when
they are meditating, what their past was like, and you know,
there's a lot of variables. I've seen it happen instantaneously.

(43:37):
What appears instantaneous to be instantaneous, But that person could
have been grappling with that belief, you know, for a
long period of time. So it turns out, when we're
relaxed in our heart, the body is believing it's living
in a nurturing environment, and it begins to express new genes.
And that's exactly how we change.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Because yeah, we always hear that, you know, the famous
thirty to ninety days for a habit, like sixty days
for a habit, that kind of thing to change a habit,
But a belief is so much more deeper than that.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, well, a belief is a habit of thinking. Yeah,
it's just a really unconscious habit of thinking. Everybody's belief
should always be challenged. My belief in what's possible is
being challenged today. I think that's fun. Like I watched
the scientists that are doing the studies, the empirical studies,
and watching them run the same experiment five times in

(44:31):
a row because they're really expecting a different outcome. I know,
right in that moment they're changing their belief. I know,
right in that moment they're discovering something new. I know
in that moment they're going on, this is unbelievable. Right. So,
I think the greatest belief that we could ever have
is our belief in ourselves and our belief and possibility.
And I think that has to be earned. That has

(44:54):
to be earned. You've got to show up for you
enough times where you have that belief. You earned it.
It's not like you do something in one day. The
person who heals from a health condition, who finally says,
oh my god, I thought this could work for me.
They show up every day. They're showing up every single
day because if they don't show up, then they don't

(45:16):
believe it's possible, and they have to show up to
prove to themselves that it is. And some of those
people did their meditation for a year and they earned
that belief in that future. And of course the effect
was they had that moment that looked like, oh my god,
that person just seeing they've been walking the yellow brick

(45:37):
road for the last year and they never missed a day.
And they'll tell you the meditations I remember the most
were the hard ones, not the easy ones, the ones
where I had to sit with myself and I would
not give up. Those are the ones that mattered the most,
because that's what got them to that point, right. It
was the overcoming process. Nobody wants to overcome. Amazon Prime

(45:58):
just spoiled us, you know, they just on it, right,
But it's the overcoming process that ninety five percent that's programmed.
That's what you've got to dig deep in and you've
got to become really conscious of it and that overcoming process.
The side effect of that is the actual becoming process.
The body's liberated energy naturally moves to the heart. It's
not like something that you have to do. The body

(46:20):
is no longer tormented emotionally by the past, it's no
longer habituated into the past, it's no longer believing in
the past. Energy naturally moves into the heart when it's
not in survival. It's where it should be going. And
now we're ready to create. So it's important for people
to understand that you always have to give something up

(46:41):
from your past in order to create a new future.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, we're just so obsessed with the person at the
top of the mountain that we don't look at the
journey they took to get this. Sure, and no matter
how many times we know that there is no such
thing as an overnight success in any way in healing
or whatever it may be, constantly feel like, oh, but
look at that person. They've figured it out and they're enlightened.
Maybe they always had it. We're we're good at ascribing

(47:07):
enlightenment to people without thinking that they had a purification
journey to get there. Yeah, and therefore we kind of
believe like we either have it or we don't. We
don't believe that journey is possible for us.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, I think that I think we were told the
wrong story.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, we've just kept telling ourselves the wrong sting.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I saw in source you talked about how protein in
meditation that creates immunity. When did you talk about that?
That's that just sounds mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
As I said, genes make proteins, and proteins responsible for
the structure and function of your body. The expression of
proteins is the expression of life. So react and respond
the conditions that cause you to feel the emotions of survival.
Your reaction or your response to that condition, to that

(47:57):
challenge will actually weaken your body if you keep doing
it over and over again. Stress it consumes enormous amounts
of energy for the body. So the repetition of that
begins to downregulate genes and create disease. And so if
you can turn on the stress response just by thinking

(48:18):
about that problem, your thoughts could make you sick. So
the question is can your thoughts make you well? And
so we said to people, Okay, trade resentment and impatience
and frustration for an elevated emotion like gratitude or appreciation,
kindness and care. We'll hook you up to a heart

(48:40):
rate monitor. We want to make sure that your heart
is coherent, so we know that you're actually feeling these emotions.
And we're gonna measure an immunoglobulin called immunoglobulin A, which
is really the primary defense against bacteria and virus in
your body. It's the body's natural flu shot and it's

(49:02):
suppressed when cortisol levels go up because stress hormones shut
down the immune system. So could a person then create
an elevated emotion And the body is so objective that
it does not know the difference between a real life
experience that's creating that emotion and the emotion that that

(49:22):
person is fabricating by thought alone. To the body, it's
the unconscious mind, it's the same. So if the person
feels the elevated emotion, will they begin to signal new
genes that will make new proteins. And we discovered that
that particular immune globulin A went up by fifty percent

(49:43):
in the subjects that we measured, So feeling elevated emotions
causes the body to upregulate genes and allow the immune
system to repair and regenerate. Now that study was our
first study, but when we when we started looking at
the plasma of advanced meditators right around the time COVID happened.

(50:06):
In one some of our first experiments that we did
with the University of California, San Diego, we had all
this plasma and they closed the lab down and closed
the university down and the lab was minimized, but we
had all this great plasma from advanced meditator, so there
was a little bit of time. So we just started
messing around with creating a pseudovirus like a SARS COVID

(50:29):
two virus, and we picked the first subject and we
did what's called an adoptive transfer. We used his plasma
and put the pseudovirus near an A two receptor, which
would you know what the spike virus attaches to. And
we discovered that there was an immunity in the plasma

(50:52):
of the advanced meditator where the virus could not enter
the cell, like it was like stuck on the outside
of the cell. We saw that in novice meditators there
were some that were stuck to the outside of the
cell and others that made it into the cell, and
then we saw with the controls that they all were
in the cell. And so we went through a series

(51:15):
of the scientific experiments, and we isolated that it was
a protein, and then we'd isolated the exact protein that
the body and advanced meditators make, and it's called serpent
A five, And if you look online for serpent a five,
it'll tell you that it has a profound effect against
the sarscobe two virus. And so the plasma of advanced

(51:39):
meditators were naturally creating an elevated level of serpent A
five that inhibited the virus from entering the cells. In
other words, the body is greater than the environment. And
so we've replicated the study a few times and we
see the same outcomes. We published a paper on it,
and yeah, it's out there.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Wow, that's I mean, that's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, we were super surprised. We were really surprised.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Very surprising. Yeah, it's mind blowing to think about that
being possible, but I guess it shouldn't be. It's just
that we haven't we haven't really accessed the true powers
of the body in the mind, and we're almost unaware.
You know, we always hear that quote of like you
only use ten percent of your brain or whatever it is.

(52:26):
What is your research found of like how much we're
not tapping into the ability that we have.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Well, they used to call this pseudoscience, and I can
tell you know, you can't call it pseudoscience. This is
what our data suggests. Our data suggests that your autonomic
nervous system manufactures the pharmacy of chemicals that works better
than any drug. That's what our data shows. A drug
study at its best is about twenty five percent one

(52:53):
out of four people have a response, and it usually
takes three months or more to have an effect. We're
seeing that at the end of seven days, the seventy
five percent, eighty four percent, one hundred percent of the
people that are in that are being tested are having

(53:17):
the same outcomes. So their plasma, their blood, their brains
in seven days look like advanced meditators people who just
have never meditated before. Every time we've done a study,
we have been completely blown away by the power of
human potential. We're greater than we think, We're more powerful

(53:41):
than we know, We're more unlimited than we can ever dream.
And when you have this incredible evidence in science, and
you have the incredible evidence in human testimony, I think
evidence is allowed us voice right. So as again my
belief has been absolutely blown away because the data is

(54:04):
telling us that we're incredibly powerful. And as an example,
we took just as a fun experiment, we took young
people between the ages of eighteen and twenty five and
we paired them with elders that were at least thirty
years or more older in their sixties, seventies, or eighties,
and we did brain scans on them and did cognitive

(54:28):
tests on them, and did some other studies. And the
job was that they had to spend the entire seven
days together. They had to eat together, they had to
sit next to each other, they had to teach the
information back to each other, they had to meditate next
to each other, they had to have a huddle at

(54:48):
five point thirty in the morning and take these cognitive tests.
And it was hilarious because at the beginning of a study,
the elders were like, I'm sorry, I have another kid.
This kid is not going to work for me. And
the young kids were like, oh my god, that person
is There's no way. They're so mean, I'm never going
to make it. And we said no, no on this part
of the study. And turns out that they became incredibly

(55:12):
connected and we used people going through a seven day
retreat as the control, which just about one hundred percent
of the people's brains changed for the better. So these people,
we knew their brains were going to change for the better.
But when we paired the young with the old, their
brains were comparatively way better, way better than anybody in

(55:37):
the in the community that was going through the event.
In other words, the wisdom of the elder somehow was
transferred to the youth, and the plasticity of the youth
somehow was given to the elder. And we looked at
the post scans of the brain. Their four brains were
in beautiful gamma like super conscious, super present, super aware,

(55:57):
and the rest of the brain was elegant patterns of alpha,
creative and relaxed and awake. When we did the cognitive tests,
you know, we expected that we were expecting or hoping
that the elders would perform better by hanging out with
the youth. But we discovered the youth actually performed better

(56:20):
by hanging out with the elders. And again, we just
never anticipated that it's so important for you to hang
out with your grandparents, it's so important to hang out
with people that are older than you, because there's an
exchange of information, both locally and non locally that transforms
each other. And we discovered that people change people. That's

(56:45):
what community is about. So get a collective network together
of two thousand people or twenty five hundred people from
all over the world, and at the end of seven days,
they're all expressing the same genes, making the same proteins
or microbiome is dramatically changed. Their microbiome looks like they're
a completely different person. They're making thirteen fourteen different probiotic

(57:09):
microbes that would take them months to make, and they're
making those in seven days, right, So the emerging consciousness
is being reflected on every level, from brain to heart,
to microbiome to gene expression, to immune system to breast milk.
I mean, we're seeing great studies in the breast milk

(57:31):
studies we're doing with women that go through a seven
day event. There's information in their breast milk that could
heal a wound in forty eight hours that would normally
take two weeks, where there's information in there that's pro
life and pro growth. So we've never been disappointed Jay
in any of the studies we've done. We've always sat

(57:53):
there and shook our heads. And every now and then
a new scientist joins the you know, joins the team,
and someone will be presenting on the microbiome as an example,
and you see these I mean dramatic changes where people's
microbiomes actually look the same. Right, So they're not changing
their diet, they're not taking a probiotic, they're not staying

(58:14):
away from you know, there's no you know, no abstinence
from sugar. They're just living there. Everything's the same, but
their microbiomes are completely different to reflect a different person.
There's a neuroscientist and that kind of joined and she's like,
I'm sorry, how is this all working? Like, how is
the mind producing such dramatic effects on the microbiome in

(58:39):
seven days? So we're never disappointed in the studies we do.
So I do think we have a really great potential
human potential. I just think that we have to reframe
certain beliefs about health and certain certain beliefs around lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Before I get to my last question, there's one thing
I wanted to ask you, Richard. You've told about the
power of you know, you're doing these retreats, right, now
with you just told me once coming up with like
eight thousand people twenty five hundred people, and you're talking
about the power of collective consciousness, and I think the
world at large is experiencing what seems to be a
dividing collective consciousness. And I think even if you look

(59:19):
at it on a micro level, Let's give an example
of like a bunch of friends you like to get
together and they like to talk about their challenges and
the problems and the issues they're having with whatever it
may be. What's kind of collective consciousness? Is that creating?
And how can people elevate each other together as friends?
Because in the same way as you said, until we change,

(59:42):
nothing changes. We keep seeing the same people, we're all
in the same position, and things are not changing, so
obviously something hasn't changed.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
First thing is that reality is a memory. We see
reality through the lens of the past. That's just the
way it is. So, so I have a memory of you,
and as long as they have a memory of you,
you show up equal to my memory of you. Then
I'm like, oh, I can recognize Jay. The moment a
person starts to change in a small collective community, they

(01:00:12):
don't show up as the memory that people have of them,
like something's different, something's out of phase, right, And so
then a question is like, what is it? What is
it about you? And if the person's happier than you,
suspect ohether they are in love or oh they must
have got a new job, or they're taken a new drug,
a new medication, whatever it is, right, but they're genuinely
just different or happy. So if that consciousness of that

(01:00:36):
small collective is all about evolution, is all about love,
it's all about growth, you're going to say to that person,
so what happened? And that person's going to say, I changed, Like, well,
how did you change? I just decided that I was
holding on to this emotion resentment, and I've just been
working for the last two weeks, and I feel better,
Like I genuinely feel better now that I'm not addicted

(01:00:58):
to that emotion of resentment. Now the person is naturally
going to say, what, well, how did you do that? Well? Okay,
And then you get in the conversation about change. Right now,
the person's inspired by someone in the flock who's breaking
out and changing their consciousness, changing their awareness, changing their energy,

(01:01:20):
changing their emotional state, and it's evident. They're the example,
and mere neurons switch on in the brain and mere
neurons emulate behavior. So if that person is kind and
present and considerate and caring, all of a sudden, you're like, wow, Wow,
Jay is like really present and really cool, and you're

(01:01:42):
going to begin to think about that more and more,
and miror neurons will be like encouraging you to behave
like that tribe, that person in the tribe. You get
enough people doing that, and then you know, the collective
changes naturally. And of course it's not a linear process,
but that's how people change now on a macroscopic level,

(01:02:04):
like the world, and all the time that I've lived
on this planet, I've never seen the world personally in
the state that it currently is in. And there's a
lot of separation, there's a lot of division, there's a
lot of extremes. How there's a lot of uncertainty. You know,
this is a crazy time. And so our curiosity is

(01:02:29):
there's a collective consciousness in the world, and that collective
consciousness is based on the information that the consciousness is
being fed. Because information causes you to become conscious of
whatever you are unconscious to and you can't have consciousness
without energy. You can't have a thought without a frequency.

(01:02:49):
So the division that's taking place collectively is a lot
of chaos and a lot of disorder. Okay, So if
the energy is chaotic and entropic and disorderly, but there's
an enormous amount of it, is there a way to
change that energy collectively? And is it the number of people,

(01:03:14):
is it the amount of energy, or is it the
most coherent signature? And it doesn't have to be a
large group. It could be a small collective group with
coherent hearts in coherent brains. Could they begin to collectively
begin to change the field. And that's what we're looking at.

(01:03:37):
We're looking to see in an event that we do
with two thousand people. As an example, we have random
even generators that are placed all throughout the room and
they're sophisticated coin tosses, and the more you toss a coin,
the more it's going to be fifty to fifty. So
these machines are tossing thousands of tosses per second. So

(01:03:58):
and the random it wouldn't be zero zero one zero
one zero one, and maybe one one one zero zero
zero one zero one zero zero zero one one one
zero zero like that, back and forth. But overall it's
fifty to fifty. And if there's nobody in the room,
it's always fifty to fifty. Get a collective network of
observers together with brain and heart coherence, and set an
intention for whatever it is. It's just to say, heal others,

(01:04:21):
and all of a sudden, that machine goes zero one
zero one one one. It just moves right outside of
the norm outside. So this is a machine that's programmed
to flip a coin randomly, and all of a sudden,
the effects of a collective network of observers is causing

(01:04:42):
a random event generator to become more orderly. There's an
effect that's taking place. Okay, we see it over and
over again. We take one of those random event generators
and we wrap them in a Faraday cage, you know,
like copper and nickel in heavy metals inside lay electromagnetism,
and they insulate frequency. You go to the dentisty puts

(01:05:04):
the lead apron on you. It's to block the radiation
from the X ray, right, So that's frequency. So build
a Faraday cage around one of them and insulate them
and all the others are moving outside of normal, but
the one that's insulated is behaving as if nobody's in
the room. So now we're starting to wonder is it

(01:05:24):
an electromagnetic energy that actually is having this effect? Right?
So then how is that important? Well, Okay, if you're
in survival, you're not going to trust. If you're in survival,
it's all about the self. If it's in survival, you're
not at your best. You're going to act very primitive, primitively. Okay.
So coherent heart magnetic field, coherent brain electric field. Now

(01:05:50):
you've got a Wi Fi signal. What is the number
of people that it would take to begin to produce
changes that could be globally So we did this event
in September last year called Walk for the World, and
we invited the entire world to walk to become the
very change they want to see in the world. We

(01:06:10):
estimated we had probably about three hundred in plus three
fifty thousand people from all over the world in one
hundred and sixty two different countries gather together and do
this walk. And we were partnering with the Heart Math Institute,
and they have these gigantic sensors that measures the earth

(01:06:31):
electromagnetic field. Okay, So the hypothesis was, if we could
change the Earth's field, will it have an effect on
human behavior, like, will it produce some type of change
in the collective consciousness. So when we did that walk,
we saw the same thing happen that happened in the

(01:06:53):
room with a random event generator, the same exact pattern
they just went, and all of a sudden, about at
forty five minutes in to the walk, you see this
dramatic shift in the field of the Earth. So I
don't know what it takes, but I do know that
an emergent consciousness that could form for humanity is going

(01:07:18):
to have to be a collective consciousness. It's not one soul,
it's it's a collective network. And so just like that
flock of birds, just like that school of fish. You
study that phenomenon in biology and you think there's some
leader that everybody's foeling, but it's not a top down front.
It's a bottom up from it, and everybody's leading. Everybody

(01:07:40):
is behaving in the same way in synchrony. And when
that happens, the appearance of a larger organism always takes place,
and the tribe comes together. Pro social network switch on
on the brain. We move closer, we bond. We don't
see we don't see any differences. We come together. We
only see the vine in each other. And and our

(01:08:00):
appreciation for life, our appreciation for the moment is enhanced
from the experience as well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
So powerful, I mean that that resonates so strongly. And yeah,
it's definitely something to aspire to and work towards, something,
something to something to kind of lock into creating in
our small communities and not underestimating the value of our

(01:08:27):
ordinariness and how powerful that can be and how extraordinary
it can be when we're connected together.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think love is the nelue, right,
you know that it's what bonds us. It's it's the
magnetic force that draws things together. It's a it's a
very limbic brained thing. And and and uh, falling in
love with yourself, falling in love with life, falling in
love with the future, you know, falling in love with

(01:08:56):
the moment is what why we're here. I mean, that's
what makes life beautiful. So in the world right now,
the world needs everybody, The world needs you, The world
needs me, and the world needs everybody to actually show
up as the very change they want to see in
the world. That means then you're going to have to
do things that feel unnatural. That means when everybody else

(01:09:18):
is angry and resentful, you're showing forgiveness. When everybody else
is fearful and anxious, that's time to show courage. You know.
When people are racing and rushing and competing to get
to the top, that's when you stand still and draw
the experience to you. And I think when you do
that in the beginning, it feels unnatural. But that's how

(01:09:40):
we become supernatural, right, That's how an emerging consciousness can
actually form.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Yeah, and the thing that's really going to stay with
me today is that I used to believe that the
opposite of love was hate, but actually it's stress. Yeah,
And because a lot of people will say I'm not
a hateful person, but I think everyone will agree that
they're a stressed out yet.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah. Well, fear is not the opposite of love, it's
the separation from it. And you know, pain and suffering
is not the opposite of love. It's a separation from it. Anger, hatred, hostility, violence,
It's not the opposite of love, it's the separation from it.
So then a person who begins to transform themselves. And
you know, we work with prisons, you know, thousands and

(01:10:25):
thousands of prisoners, and these these are people that can't
even close their eyes and meditate because their instinct tells
them that something really horrible will happen to them because
they've had a turbulent past. You see, prisoners come together,
right and move out of stress, the absence of the

(01:10:48):
addiction to the stress hormones. It's called joy. The body
is free, it's no longer out of balance, and people
come back into the balance of their They feel like
themselves again. Like I feel like myself again. I got
my life back. And I just read a testimonial from
one of the veterans that we do the study on

(01:11:10):
PTSD just last week and retreat that we did. These
are people that had some pretty turbulent pasts, you know,
and that were suicidal and they this guy said, I
was ready to take my life, you know, I was
ready that bills to end my own misery. And I
feel completely different now I've got my life back, I
got my family back, I got everything is different, right,

(01:11:32):
I'm different. I feel that I can't stop crying, like so,
so the war ended. The war ended for him, you know,
it ended like yeah, he's not an old soldier and
now he's a new soldier. Right, it ended. It ended.
So that person who tells the story of their mental

(01:11:54):
health change, the person who tells the story of their
change from their physical health condition, the person who tells
the story that's gone from bankruptcy to abundance, the person
who tells the story of how the synchronicity of them
running into the person that would become the love of
their life happened. When they stand on the stage and
they tell the story to the collective, there's a change

(01:12:16):
in consciousness because the person's becoming aware there's truth standing
right on the stage. There's an example of truth that's
telling them that somehow this person has changed and their
life and their health has changed, their their future changed
in some way. And that forem minute mile. Then the
person that's speaking it is breaking through a certain level

(01:12:38):
of consciousness or unconsciousness, and surely someone in the audience
is going to relate with them. They're going to see,
my goodness, if that person can do it, I can
do it as well, Right, and that's when it gets
really fun because that's when the person believes in themselves
a little bit more right in their belief and possibility

(01:12:58):
is enhanced their able to make their change in a
shorter amount of time. In other words, they're shortening the
distance between the thought of what they want and the
experience of having it when they do it properly. Right, So,
get enough people together in an immersive experience in someone

(01:13:20):
has that change or that breakthrough, you start seeing, like
five people step out of a wheelchair and one event,
two people blind, two people game to event blind, seeing
at the end, seeing at the end of seven days.
It's unbelievable. So the evidence and testimony is that formative moment,

(01:13:40):
and people do the best with what they think is available.
So if you don't know, or if you're not conscious
of that possibility, you'll make the same choice, yes, And
so when people become conscious of it now, they can
begin to make a different choice. And I think, for
as many crazy things that are going on in the world,
and that's a whole other conversation, there's a lot of amazing,

(01:14:03):
great for unbelievable things happening as well, like really amazing things,
and so yeah, we just got to hold on absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Joe, thank you so much for coming back onto on purpose,
sharing your incredible research experiences. And this is going to
be one of those ones that I'm going to probably
listen to again with my eyes closed, because I think
there were so many powerful parts that, especially around when
we're trying to rewire our thoughts, when we're trying to,
as you were saying, to feel and experience something before

(01:14:34):
it happens. I think if we can really just take
all of that in, and if we can start to
construct our community around us, to build a collective consciousness
that pushes us all forward, helps us change, I think
we'll be onto something. So thank you so much. You're
welcome your time, your energy, your presence.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
And make it an experiment. Yes, make an experiment. Don't
make it have to make it a want to like Okay,
let me just see if I change my energy, life change,
If I change something about me a belief, a behavior,
and emotion, should the should something in my life some
event begin to change? That's when it becomes exciting, right,
and now it's a it's an experiment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Well, so the source is out right. Now you can
go watch as well. The new doctor inventory with doctor
Joe Despenser and Joe excited for so much more. Congratulations
and all the retreats and workshops, and again, thank you
so much for joining me on Purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Thank you, Jane, I always appreciate it. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
If this year you're trying to live longer, live happier,
live healthier, go and check out my conversation with the
world's biggest longevity doctor Peter Attia on how to slow
down aging and why your emotional health is directly impacting
your physical health.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
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